May 14, 2025 • 31 mins
It's looking like the Knicks will be advancing to the Eastern Conference Finals
The Pacers have a star in Tyrese Haliburton and they might be going to the NBA Finals
More thoughts on the NFL schedule
Guest: Chandler Parsons
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Chandler Parsons played to the NBA for almost a decade
from Florida, the Gators and now at an undisclosed, low
tape location near somewhere with a nice beach and excellent cocktails.
He is joining us live. Chandler Parsons one of the
nicest places I think I've ever been. Okay, I'm gonna
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start with this is that the NBA did something interesting.
So I've used a term for years. I like analytics.
I prefer analytics. I like the playoffs to be about physicality,
Get a bucket, get a stop. I like the mid
range game. I don't want a parade of threes. And
I think Adam Silver Chandler has said, guys, I don't
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like them either, And I'm gonna allow incredibly physical play.
And the Calves and the Celtics that lived on threes.
It's not working. I watched the Knicks and I thought
to myself, Chandler the other night, before the Tatum injury,
I said, if this is what the NBA is going
to allow, I don't know if they need a tweak.
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Are the Knicks right now with this kind of physicality allowed,
do they need a big tweak to win the title?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
And it's an interesting point that you bring up because
during the regular season, if you watch the regular season,
those eighty two games, it's a completely different product that
you see now with the physicality. With just to simply
look at the scoreboard, you're seeing an old nineties style
NBA basketball scores ninety four to eighty six.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
The unders are hitting a crazy clip like. It is
a different level of basket ball. And you always heard that,
you know, playoff basketball is more physical.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
The refs let a lot get more, you know, get
away with a lot more, and as long as they
officiate it consistently, I love it. I think it's a
better product.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I don't like watching the Celtics shoot sixty fifty five
to threes every single game, and you can see and
the playoffs win a tough, physical team like the New
York Knicks slows it down, junks it up, values each
possessions play slower. They tighten the rotations anyways, So the
Tims playing six to seven guys doesn't hurt you necessarily
of the playoffs over a long season. Given the eighty
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two games and the injuries, it might bite you in
the butt a little bit, but playoffs everything shortens. Possessions
are more valuable, and it does favor a tough, physical
team like the New York Knicks, who are proven that
they've outplayed the Celtics this series. And again, I hate
that Tatum went down. I don't want that to happen
to anybody. But you can't look at this series and like, oh,
they won the series because because Tatum got hurt, or
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oh the Pacers beat the cas because Donovan Mitchell's got hurt.
This team they those teams to outplay these teams who
struggled against them in the regular team. Think about the
Knicks didn't win one game against a good team pretty
much in the regular season, and they have simply out
tuffed and outplayed the Boston Celtics its entire series.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
You know, listen. I've always said, of all the sports
aesthetic culture, the NBA's is a canvas, and everybody's jumper
looks different. There's art. I fell in love with Doctor
j Was he the best player? He was the coolest
and you know for years, I mean Michael Jordan was both.
But there is style matters in the NBA. So when
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Tyrese Halliburton gets called the most over ended player, I'm like,
it's so petty. What I don't get it? Like what
about his game turns off players? Is it just that
he's obnoxious? Like how could people get there on him?
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Yeah? Well, first of all, I think it's a slow start.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Didn't help that they struggled early, and he was kind
of a part of that where he got off to
a not such a hot start. Their teams struggled, but
the Team USA he made to Team USA two didn't play.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
So I think there's a little jealousy almost there.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
And I think a lot of those votes Colin are
also come from bench players where I think they don't
made me have their that he doesn't have their respect,
because everything I've heard MediaWise from superstars and star level
guys have kind of given Tyrese his flowers and again
is he is he one of these aggressive, sexy offensive players. No,
but he's one of the last true remaining point guards.
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Yeah we have in the since like Chris Paul. He's
a past first setup guy that's gonna get Siaka on
the ball in his spots, that's gonna find Miles Turner
at the right spot for that picking pop three to
get guys out in transition. He is just an absolute
pure point guard and if anything, I think he's underrated.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
So these these.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Votings, I think he nipped that in the bud real
quick with this series and kind of you know, the
game winners and just the clutch you know plays he
made down the stretch. But looking around the league, there's
obviously very very talented offensive scoring guards. But if I'm
looking for a true point guard, I'm looking at Tyrus Alibert.
He's one of two players averaging ten plus assists over
the last.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Three seasons, him and Trey Young. That means something to me.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I don't necessarily need my point guard going and shooting
twenty twenty five shots a game.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, you know, there's a couple of there's been a
couple of revelations outside of New York. A lot of
us thought Jalen Brunson would be a two, not a one.
He's clearly a one. Like the argument's over, he's a
great shot maker. But I'll tell you another revelation is
Julius Randall, and this shows he takes to coaching and
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Chris Finch and his staff are excellent coaches. I watch
him now. This dude came when he came into the
league to the Lakers Chandler. I watched it and I'm like, oh, no,
the league's changing. He's going to be like like Tristan Thompson.
Love him as a guy, but he's not built for
the sport. I watch him now and I'm like, oh,
his passing, his toughness, he can shoot threes. I am
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shocked by what I'm seeing with Julius Randall. Are you
I am?
Speaker 4 (06:01):
I'm very I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
And I think when he first came in the league,
he's kind of a bull in the china shop, Louisa.
As guys get older, I love to see their games
slow down and kind of come full circle. And now
you can play through him in the post. He takes
what the defense gives him. He's still a little streaky
of a shooter, inconsistent, but he's making big shots in
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the big moments right now.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Everyone kind of pooped on the idea of this trade early.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Getting ready to Carlos sounds me include I didn't love
it early, but I think now they're getting the rhythm down.
I didn't understand how go Baar and Julius Reynald we're
going to work in the same time with spacing, with
Anthony Edwards being such a ball dominant guard needing more lanes.
They figure out a way to do that, and they
filled this roster with guys like nas Reed where they
can go small, Jade McDaniels, who I think is one
of the most underrated players in the league. Everything he
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does defensively, offensively, slashing, cutting, They have vets, they have shooting,
They have a little bit of everything. But you're right,
and I said this before the Lakers series, Julius Randall
is going to have to.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Outplay and equalize the James.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
He did that and now he's doing it again against
Draymond and Jimmy Butler, and he's doing in even a
higher level. And he's kind of willing this team probably
to the Western Conference finals. For the second straight years,
so I'm super happy for him. I've never been the
biggest Julius Randall fan of his game, but he's proving
me and a lot of people wrong that he is
a stud and he has value in his game.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Is just slowing down and maturing right before our eyes.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Finally, and I think this is really hard. The Chicago
Bulls the last Dance documentary, they could have won potentially
another one, but they just said guys were blowing up
the band. I respect that, though I didn't have to
agree with it. The Warriors are doing the opposite. We're
going to keep Steph, We're going to keep Draymond, We're
going to add pieces. I think they're much further from
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winning a title than the Warriors think. Curse great, so
is Steph. I think I would move everything. I think
they need a big swing. I don't know if the
Warriors think they have a big swing if you ran them.
I think this is why Bob Myers left. He didn't
want he didn't want to make these You were like,
I don't want to get rid of Klan, don't want
to do this. What do you do with you? The
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Warriors if they get extinguished in this series.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Well, think about that, Mike Dunleagan Junior's job.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
He comes in, He's got to decide on Clay, He's
got to side on Jordan Poole, he's got to sign
on dray Monager. He's got all these decisions to make,
and Bob Myers's kind of jump ship, and I think
he's done a pretty good job. All the distraction, all
the drama with Jimmy Butler, that clearly has proven to
be a great trade. This Steph Curry injury in this series,
Take any bun's number one off their team in any
of these playoffs series, they're gonna be hurting from that.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
So I do think that is a huge factor.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
And this is exactly why you go and get a
Jimmy Butler for that exact reason, to have a closer
to play, put the ball in his hands and do it.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
When he goes and takes nine attempts like he did
last game, that kind of boggles my mind a little bit.
He's got to be aggressive. Down three to one tonight,
I'm living and dying with Jimmy Butler taking twenty twenty
five shots tonight, because that is why he's here, Especially
with Steph Curry out now if you can package Jonathan
Kaminga who's found himself out of the rotation, who now
is Steph out is He's providing that spark again. And
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I understand basketball IQ wise, he's not the best fit
with Jimmy and Draymond. The dude's talented and the Jews's
gonna probably make twenty twenty five million and restrictive freedency
this summer, and he deserves that. Maybe you sign and
trade to him, and you and you had some other asses,
like guys like Patzinski, Moody, you know, Draymond, Like who knows?
Speaker 4 (09:29):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I think everyone is on the table to kind of
maximize this Steph Curry window right now, and it's unfortunately
he's not in this series.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Hamstrings, nothing you really want to dillydally with.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
But I do think there's still kind of a big
move away from really being that contender.
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Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, Kamingo playing without Steph has actually been a bright
light in the last couple of games, and they probably
now have a little more market wiggle with his emergence
in the last couple of Gamesanler Parson, you do great
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Speaker 4 (10:08):
Thanks com appreciate thanks for having me, you bet Chandler Parsons.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeah, I think it's so easy for me to just
say blow it up. Yeah, you're not gonna get rid
of Steph because he's still great. But boy, when you
have Steph, this is like Lebron and the Lakers. When
you have Steph or Lebron, they are the offense and
not every like Golden State's a little trapped. Young players
don't work with Steph. They don't They don't work with
Stephan Draymond because of this offense Lebron. Lebron's never had
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any patience. He didn't want to play with Andrew Wiggins.
You go give me Chris Bosh, give me Kevin Love,
give me j R. Smith. I don't want young players,
so like these certain are Kd's different. You can put
Katie in any offense, it works.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
But if you have.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Lebron and Staph, boy, it's gonna be really hard to
rebuild because they don't work with young guys. So what
do you do? I think the Lakers and the Warriors
are more trapped then they want to admit. J Mack
with the news. This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
All right, let's revisit the big breaking news from last hour.
Derek Henry is staying in Baltimore a two year, thirty
million dollar extension, twenty five million of it guaranteed. Henry
is now the third highest paid running back in NFL
history aged thirty or older.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
And oh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
He's the highest paid at thirty year older and becomes
the third highest paid currently in the NFL, behind Saquon
and semac.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Listen.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
I don't think this is that I don't think it's
a bad deal. I don't think it's a huge deal.
They needed to keep Dereck Henry.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
They did the job man. I also think he is
a great compliment to Lamar Jackson, and that was one
of the problems when the Chargers got rid of Keenan Allen.
He was such a dependable third round, third down receiver
for Justin Herbert. Now Herbert as he ages, maybe doesn't
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need that. But generally, as a young quarterback comes into
a league, the first three or four years now. Lamar's
obviously passed that. But I mean, let's be honest. Edelman
was for Brady. Gronk was for Brady, and when and
when Brady went to New England or went to Tampa,
Brady's like I want Gronk. There are Travis Kelcey and Mahomes.
Most quarterbacks have somebody that they really feel comfortable with,
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and I think Derek it's never been wide receivers for Baltimore,
Zay Flowers. I still don't see, as you know, a
difference maker at the highest level. I think Derek and
Lamar work. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
I'm looking at his stats from last year, nineteen hundred yards.
You know he had a really good suit. The only
thing I would caution Colin is I would start to
limit his carries early in the season, just the way
Josh Allen does not run out of the pocket and
scramble ten fifteen times in September in October. Save that
for the postseason. I would start to manage Henry a
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little bit. He's getting older and you're gonna want him
to be a hammer. By the way, against Pittsburgh twenty
six for a buck eighty six in the playoff, game.
And then he came out a week later against Buffalo
and was only sixteen carries eighty four yards in a
game they lost, and they fell behind in that one,
and really, you know, you take him out of the game,
really if you're behind by two scores.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, No, I he is a weird. He's got a
little Adrian Peterson vibe where you're just like, you just
don't see him age until the very end. Like we've
seen McCaffrey get hurt. You can tell he's getting older.
Saquon Barkley's like that. Like if you watch Saquon Barkley,
he's got the energy of a rookie, Like you can't
tell how how long he's been in the league. And
Derrick Henry he had a slow start to his career.
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He didn't pop his first year year and a half
in the league. But he looks like the same back
he was for five years ago. And he is banging
into people on every carry.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Do you think I could tackle him in the open
field any chance?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
No? No, I don't think. Honestly, I think if you
took our entire staff, like eleven people, he'd still gain
eight yards on a dive drag.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
All of us next up, how about this, Colin.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
You have talked a lot about JJ Reddick's interesting comments.
At his exit interview after the Lakers lost to the Timberwolves,
Reddick talked about the team needed to get into championship shape,
which many took us a jab at Luka Doncics. Well,
now the Lakers have posted a job to LinkedIn for
a head of strength and conditioning. Now, to be fair,
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our staff, you know, is a great group. We got here,
they researched it. The Lakers posted for the same job
last season as well. So let's not freak out and
say hahaha, Lakers are hiring on LinkedIn. That being said,
is it something nothing?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
What's going on? Well, it's something because the perception is
that lucas not in tip top shape. It is frustrating
when you have to convince a pro athlete like Zion
and Luca to be in tip top shape. I've argued this,
you can correct. Julius Rannold's a great example. You can
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elevate a player through coaching. You can elevate a player
like Luca through roster construction, like Luca's better when he
has a rim defender. But I can't hold your hand
and get you on the treadmill like that was always
my knock. And you know I've said this before Zion
or Carmelo Anthony. It's like, guys, I need you to
play on both ends and you got to be an
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elite shape. I can change a lot about it. I
can take somebody once told me this a GM. He said,
you can't change a player a full grade. You can
change them half. Agree. You can take a B minus
player to a B plus. You can take a C
plus player to a B minus to a B. You're
not going to turn a C plus to a B
plus through coaching and through planning and how they fit.
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But you're not. Travis Kelsey was destined to be really
really good. Now again, he was going to be an
A minus player. Now he's an A plus player. But
I think with Luca, I'm always frustrated with a professional
athlete who is not who has an off season when
he's not ready to play and comes in shape to
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the season.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
Listen, I'm gonna have to protect my guy Luca here.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
They went to the finals last year in Dallas and
he wasn't in tip top shape. So if you're coming
to Luca and saying, hey, bro, you gotta get a shape.
Hey man, I just carried us on my back to
the finals. Excuse me, like I kind of understand how
Luca where he's coming from. That being said against the Timberwolves,
the Lakers lose in the first round.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Now I can understand the Hey buddy, we need you
to tighten it up a little bit.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
We don't have a rim protector the way you had
Gafford and Lively to protect you in Dallas.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
We don't have that.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Well, anytime, it's like a divorce. You know, you've got
you see a woman or a guy and you just think, man,
what a perfect person, and then they get a divorce
and you're like something has to be wrong, right. Divorces
take two people. It's the same with the trade. We
didn't love what Dallas got for the trade, but why
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would they even consider it. They considered it because for
the second camp he was hurt calf strains. They saw
his work ethic or lack thereof. They were pulling the
beer can out of his hand. Stuff. Whenever you get
a divorce, it takes two people. It can't all be
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on the bad Mavericks. Some of it's Luca maybe they
knew they were getting Cooper flag and the rigged lottery.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Oh god, all.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Right, final story is college football, Colin We have regular
season winch totals out of the big dead Yes, in May,
they've got wind totals obviously at the top. Ohio State
and Oregon and Penn State are ten and a half
one of these. Let me see the quarterback returning Penn
State obviously, but they lost a lot. How about your
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Trojans down there, evan and a half as a wind total?
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Well, I like USC a lot. I don't know about quarterback.
Their schedule is It's okay, keep an eye on that.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
Michigan eight and a half.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
It feels a litle like I haven't done too deep
into the schedule yet, but Michigan will be better this.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Year than they were last year.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Let me let me look at this for a second.
I think Penn State's going to be I think I
think Penn State could find themselves in the national Championship.
I think they're make the playoff.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
It would be a colossal discipline.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah, I think the big I mean, well, you know
what this shows you? What does this show you? More
than anything? You've got three teams here in Ohio State, Oregon,
Penn State, who are in line to play for the
national championship. That's what we used to have every year
in the SEC, when you'd have Georgia, Bama, LSU. This
shows you the power dynamic that there are three teams
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right there, all viable national championship teams. I think Michigan
of all the numbers I see on yeah, I would
say Michigan's probably, But you know what, we don't know
if this coaching staff, I mean, we don't know.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Let me go, Ucla just gets the quarterback from Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
No, Nika, the personnel, No, they're personnel no. And UCLA
planning in cold weather. And I think that that number's fine.
I mean, I'll tell you this is a second year
in a row. USC's at seven and a half. Let
me ask you this. Let's say USC wins seven or eight.
Is Lincoln Riley coming back?
Speaker 6 (19:30):
What's the buyout?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Well? No, his buyout is about eight years at eight
ten million a pop. That's the biggest problem because they
spent so much money on facilities in NIL. But it's
I really like USC. I don't like the quarterback situation.
I think the freshman coming in is the starter and
you're not winning. A Natty is a true freshman starting quarterback.
But they have a quarterback in camp and they can't
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name the freshman the starter or he'd transfer, so they're
in a bit of a bind. I think I don't know, no, no, no, no,
I know. I'll take the over on Illinois.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Oh that's right, that's your team of destiny. Yeah, I'll
take the over.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah. I have Illinois making the playoff as the four.
I think Illinois makes the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Don't we have like a wager. I think you have
to do a car if they don't make the playoff
or something like that.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
No, I think it was a.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Croissant I have. I have Illinois over seven and a half.
How about per don't down there at the bottom of
the list two.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I have no idea.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Sorry, so I had to I like saying per don't.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah. Jmack with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the herd Line News. Michael Hawley
today Chandler Parsons, really good stuff. We uh the cruise
in Chicago. This is a very active town. J Mack,
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Speaker 1 (21:59):
You know, we were discussing this about Bill Belichick and
Jordan Hudson, is that whenever you have you know, a
different power dynamic. So you have an older rich man
in his seventies and then you have a young, beautiful
woman early twenties, mid twenties. Everybody's uncomfortable with it. She's
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using him. I think Bill's really comfortable with a relationship.
So I don't see Bill as an old apple sauce
for lunch and dinner guy that's just unable to make decisions.
I think the family's discomfort is she may work her
safe self into the will. That's what happens with sometimes
older wealthy men and younger women, and the family gets,
(22:41):
you know, uncomfortable with it. But Bill's living a great life.
And I've said before is the reason I've supported Jordan
Hudson is Bill. The NFL sent signals Bill, you're old,
you're not collaborative, you're out of touch. It doesn't work.
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And so Bill went to ESPN laughed a lot, smiled
a lot, seemed jovial in a clear rebranding effort, and
then goes to college and then has a girlfriend and
she's all over social media. I think Bill knows exactly
what he's doing, and I think he's having a heck
of a time doing it. But this all started. The
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catalyst for this, the genesis of this move is the
NFL basically sent Bill Belichick a message, and that message was,
you're out of touch. It's an offensive league, it's a
collaborative league. You're a defensive guy, and you're kind of
combative and you have to take control of everything. And
that's not how Sean McVay works in LA, that's not
how the good coaches work. And so Bill's like, Okay,
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I still want to coach. I can only go so much.
I mean, Bill Parcells got tired of coaching, but he
went to the GM route. And Bill got tired of
billionaire owners not respecting him and said, well, somebody's gonna
pay me ten million dollars coach. It's college. My dad
was a college coach Navy. And then Bill has this relationship.
Everybody else is getting uncomfortable with it. I'm not so
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sure Bill's uncomfortable with any of it. I think he's
quite tired of answering the questions. But I I this idea.
Here's another uncomfortable truth that all those nineteen and twenty
year old recruits may kind of think it's cool. Look
at coach, coach, bring it like you're uncomfortable with it.
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But how do we know that tail back from Tallahassee
and kind of it's cool? I mean, so, I don't know.
Michael Hawley been a long time reporter in Boston. I
asked him, how are like Patriot fans responding to all
of this? They're freaked out.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
They're freaked out by the collin.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
What's out of character is the loss of control. He
is a grade A control freak. Like anybody to speak
for him. He handles media situations. You can argue sometimes
he handles them poorly, but he handles them himself. It's
not the Bill Belichick that we saw. It's not the
on the Cincinnati Belichick. It's not the guy grumbling in
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front of the media and giving you one and two
word answers. It's actually Belichick stepping back and letting someone
else come forward.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
But there's a sense now that Bill is a disciplinarian,
and he's lost control all pushed back. I don't think
he's lost control. I think I'm going to give North
Carolina credit. Think about the one college football power in
the ACC, Clemson. Clemson on like Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, Bama, Texas, USC.
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Clemson has dug their heels in and they refuse to
go nil and transfer portal. And Carolina is like, well,
we're the basketball powerhouse here with Duke, why can't we
be the football powerhouse. This is what Oregon did with
Chip Kelly in the uniforms. Oregon said, we want to
be USC, we want to beat Washington. Let's be a disruptor.
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So they hired Chip Kelly and run a play every
thirteen seconds. It becomes the futuristic way college football is played,
a thousand uniforms, the visionary film Night of Nike. And
so I look at Carolina saying, well, in our conference,
Clemson dug their heels in, they're not doing nil. We're
going to go all pro model, completely pro model. I
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defend it. And the catalyst for that is Belichick, Mike Lombardi,
and Jordan Hudson. I just I think a lot of
people are uncomfortable with something Bill's totally comfortable with. I mean,
I get again this power dynamic. Jordan Hudson knows what
she's getting into, and some of it's real estate. According
to the New York Post or whoever reported it, you're
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uncomfortable with it. I don't think Bill, Mike Lombardi, the players,
I don't think they are. That's just my take. Schedule
released tonight. I said this earlier. Yeah, this is one
of my producers said this. He said everybody wanted Bill
Belichick to change his ways. He listened. He's changing his ways.
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I need you to be more collaborative and more current
and youthful. Hey, Jordan, you want to go on a date.
I don't like what he's doing. This is very uncomfortable
for me. Well, I mean, listen, he got a message
from the NFL. Dude, you're old and grumpy. First thing
he does goes on ESPN, tells stories and laughs a lot.
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All right, I mean, Bill, listen, you know we see
Bill as this rigid guy, sort of like the late
Bobby Knight, Like there's a way to do it. Bill's changed.
Bill's been talked into things. Never forget Bill's mentor was
Bill Parcells, and there's a legendary story between Bill Parcells
and Bill Belichick going into a Super Bowl that Belichick
brought a defensive game planing the Parcels, and Parcels hated it.
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He just hated it and it worked. And so Belichick's
very aware that when he was looking up to Parcels
that sometimes you have to listen to your assistance and
sometimes you have to listen to outsiders. And you know,
I think all the problems started in New England when
Bill took over personnel and he could not he could
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not get Brady skill players. We never really heard a
ton about Brady and Belichick. The relationship was fine when
Gronk was in his prime and Aaron Hernandez was in
his prime and Edelman was in his prime. But as
those guys aged, Bill had more power on Draft week
and the drafts got worse, the players got worse, and
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they couldn't replace the Edelmans and the Gronks with new,
high energy, high production, skill players. And that was really
the beginning of the end. Brady leaves Belichick has no
feel for offense, and it all came crumbling down. It
is remarkable though the best football coach five years ago
we would have said best football coach of all time
is Bill Belichick, and he is a cautionary tale. Folks
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in competitive industries, politics, tech, football, wall street. Life is
fast and if you don't change, you are out of
your element overnight. Nick Saban understood this football changed, no huddle,
the rules changed. And Lane Kiffin was the offensive coordinator
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at Alabama and he said, Nick, I can score on
you every possession in practice. You can't stop me. And
Saban do his credits like, no, I can't. And Saban
went from a linebacker defensive line corner program to a quarterback,
wide receiver, left tackle program. So Saban's one of those
guys that could have easily done more of a Bobby
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Knight feet in the ground. Mike Krzyzewski won and done.
He dug his feet in for a year or two
and then he was like, yeah, I'm getting beat by
one and done guys. So some guys like Calipari, it's easy.
The transition to new cultures is he Steve Kerr. You know,
Golden State Dodgers have done very well with analytics. They're
like six seven years ago. Andrew Friedman Tampa to Los Angeles.
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But a lot of successful people. A lot of times
older men struggle when the world changes, the sand drifts
beneath their feet. They just they're in power. They don't
like it. And Belichick suffered from a little bit of that.
But I think the Carolina move is overwhelmingly him listening,
get younger, get current, be more collaborative, and I think
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he is the Only thing only bitter about is if
this thing blows up before Labor Day, I want to
watch him coach. I don't know how good they're going
to be. But Clemson is out on all the changes.
Caroline is like all in on them, and historically the
disruptors they win. They beat the old guard. That's just
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the way it works. Our heels open up a lot
of doubles before that Clemson game, Jmac, and a lot
of we'll use after it.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
They're going to the playoff, right everything we established that.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
In the A c C. Yeah, highly likely.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
By the way, they just snagged a transfer from Boise State.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
It looks like a good player. See you tomorrow.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Chandler Parsons played to the NBA for almost a decade
from Florida, the Gators and now at an undisclosed, low
tape location near somewhere with a nice beach and excellent cocktails.
He is joining us live. Chandler Parsons one of the
nicest places I think I've ever been. Okay, I'm gonna
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start with this is that the NBA did something interesting.
So I've used a term for years. I like analytics.
I prefer analytics. I like the playoffs to be about physicality,
Get a bucket, get a stop. I like the mid
range game. I don't want a parade of threes. And
I think Adam Silver Chandler has said, guys, I don't
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like them either, And I'm gonna allow incredibly physical play.
And the Calves and the Celtics that lived on threes.
It's not working. I watched the Knicks and I thought
to myself, Chandler the other night, before the Tatum injury,
I said, if this is what the NBA is going
to allow, I don't know if they need a tweak.
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Are the Knicks right now with this kind of physicality allowed,
do they need a big tweak to win the title?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
And it's an interesting point that you bring up because
during the regular season, if you watch the regular season,
those eighty two games, it's a completely different product that
you see now with the physicality. With just to simply
look at the scoreboard, you're seeing an old nineties style
NBA basketball scores ninety four to eighty six.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
The unders are hitting a crazy clip like. It is
a different level of basket ball. And you always heard that,
you know, playoff basketball is more physical.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
The refs let a lot get more, you know, get
away with a lot more, and as long as they
officiate it consistently, I love it. I think it's a
better product.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I don't like watching the Celtics shoot sixty fifty five
to threes every single game, and you can see and
the playoffs win a tough, physical team like the New
York Knicks slows it down, junks it up, values each
possessions play slower. They tighten the rotations anyways, So the
Tims playing six to seven guys doesn't hurt you necessarily
of the playoffs over a long season. Given the eighty
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two games and the injuries, it might bite you in
the butt a little bit, but playoffs everything shortens. Possessions
are more valuable, and it does favor a tough, physical
team like the New York Knicks, who are proven that
they've outplayed the Celtics this series. And again, I hate
that Tatum went down. I don't want that to happen
to anybody. But you can't look at this series and like, oh,
they won the series because because Tatum got hurt, or
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oh the Pacers beat the cas because Donovan Mitchell's got hurt.
This team they those teams to outplay these teams who
struggled against them in the regular team. Think about the
Knicks didn't win one game against a good team pretty
much in the regular season, and they have simply out
tuffed and outplayed the Boston Celtics its entire series.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
You know, listen. I've always said, of all the sports
aesthetic culture, the NBA's is a canvas, and everybody's jumper
looks different. There's art. I fell in love with Doctor
j Was he the best player? He was the coolest
and you know for years, I mean Michael Jordan was both.
But there is style matters in the NBA. So when
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Tyrese Halliburton gets called the most over ended player, I'm like,
it's so petty. What I don't get it? Like what
about his game turns off players? Is it just that
he's obnoxious? Like how could people get there on him?
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Yeah? Well, first of all, I think it's a slow start.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Didn't help that they struggled early, and he was kind
of a part of that where he got off to
a not such a hot start. Their teams struggled, but
the Team USA he made to Team USA two didn't play.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
So I think there's a little jealousy almost there.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
And I think a lot of those votes Colin are
also come from bench players where I think they don't
made me have their that he doesn't have their respect,
because everything I've heard MediaWise from superstars and star level
guys have kind of given Tyrese his flowers and again
is he is he one of these aggressive, sexy offensive players. No,
but he's one of the last true remaining point guards.
(04:25):
Yeah we have in the since like Chris Paul. He's
a past first setup guy that's gonna get Siaka on
the ball in his spots, that's gonna find Miles Turner
at the right spot for that picking pop three to
get guys out in transition. He is just an absolute
pure point guard and if anything, I think he's underrated.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
So these these.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Votings, I think he nipped that in the bud real
quick with this series and kind of you know, the
game winners and just the clutch you know plays he
made down the stretch. But looking around the league, there's
obviously very very talented offensive scoring guards. But if I'm
looking for a true point guard, I'm looking at Tyrus Alibert.
He's one of two players averaging ten plus assists over
the last.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Three seasons, him and Trey Young. That means something to me.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I don't necessarily need my point guard going and shooting
twenty twenty five shots a game.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, you know, there's a couple of there's been a
couple of revelations outside of New York. A lot of
us thought Jalen Brunson would be a two, not a one.
He's clearly a one. Like the argument's over, he's a
great shot maker. But I'll tell you another revelation is
Julius Randall, and this shows he takes to coaching and
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Chris Finch and his staff are excellent coaches. I watch
him now. This dude came when he came into the
league to the Lakers Chandler. I watched it and I'm like, oh, no,
the league's changing. He's going to be like like Tristan Thompson.
Love him as a guy, but he's not built for
the sport. I watch him now and I'm like, oh,
his passing, his toughness, he can shoot threes. I am
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shocked by what I'm seeing with Julius Randall. Are you
I am?
Speaker 4 (06:01):
I'm very I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
And I think when he first came in the league,
he's kind of a bull in the china shop, Louisa.
As guys get older, I love to see their games
slow down and kind of come full circle. And now
you can play through him in the post. He takes
what the defense gives him. He's still a little streaky
of a shooter, inconsistent, but he's making big shots in
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the big moments right now.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Everyone kind of pooped on the idea of this trade early.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Getting ready to Carlos sounds me include I didn't love
it early, but I think now they're getting the rhythm down.
I didn't understand how go Baar and Julius Reynald we're
going to work in the same time with spacing, with
Anthony Edwards being such a ball dominant guard needing more lanes.
They figure out a way to do that, and they
filled this roster with guys like nas Reed where they
can go small, Jade McDaniels, who I think is one
of the most underrated players in the league. Everything he
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does defensively, offensively, slashing, cutting, They have vets, they have shooting,
They have a little bit of everything. But you're right,
and I said this before the Lakers series, Julius Randall
is going to have to.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Outplay and equalize the James.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
He did that and now he's doing it again against
Draymond and Jimmy Butler, and he's doing in even a
higher level. And he's kind of willing this team probably
to the Western Conference finals. For the second straight years,
so I'm super happy for him. I've never been the
biggest Julius Randall fan of his game, but he's proving
me and a lot of people wrong that he is
a stud and he has value in his game.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Is just slowing down and maturing right before our eyes.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Finally, and I think this is really hard. The Chicago
Bulls the last Dance documentary, they could have won potentially
another one, but they just said guys were blowing up
the band. I respect that, though I didn't have to
agree with it. The Warriors are doing the opposite. We're
going to keep Steph, We're going to keep Draymond, We're
going to add pieces. I think they're much further from
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winning a title than the Warriors think. Curse great, so
is Steph. I think I would move everything. I think
they need a big swing. I don't know if the
Warriors think they have a big swing if you ran them.
I think this is why Bob Myers left. He didn't
want he didn't want to make these You were like,
I don't want to get rid of Klan, don't want
to do this. What do you do with you? The
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Warriors if they get extinguished in this series.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Well, think about that, Mike Dunleagan Junior's job.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
He comes in, He's got to decide on Clay, He's
got to side on Jordan Poole, he's got to sign
on dray Monager. He's got all these decisions to make,
and Bob Myers's kind of jump ship, and I think
he's done a pretty good job. All the distraction, all
the drama with Jimmy Butler, that clearly has proven to
be a great trade. This Steph Curry injury in this series,
Take any bun's number one off their team in any
of these playoffs series, they're gonna be hurting from that.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
So I do think that is a huge factor.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
And this is exactly why you go and get a
Jimmy Butler for that exact reason, to have a closer
to play, put the ball in his hands and do it.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
When he goes and takes nine attempts like he did
last game, that kind of boggles my mind a little bit.
He's got to be aggressive. Down three to one tonight,
I'm living and dying with Jimmy Butler taking twenty twenty
five shots tonight, because that is why he's here, Especially
with Steph Curry out now if you can package Jonathan
Kaminga who's found himself out of the rotation, who now
is Steph out is He's providing that spark again. And
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I understand basketball IQ wise, he's not the best fit
with Jimmy and Draymond. The dude's talented and the Jews's
gonna probably make twenty twenty five million and restrictive freedency
this summer, and he deserves that. Maybe you sign and
trade to him, and you and you had some other asses,
like guys like Patzinski, Moody, you know, Draymond, Like who knows?
Speaker 4 (09:29):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I think everyone is on the table to kind of
maximize this Steph Curry window right now, and it's unfortunately
he's not in this series.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Hamstrings, nothing you really want to dillydally with.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
But I do think there's still kind of a big
move away from really being that contender.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
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Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, Kamingo playing without Steph has actually been a bright
light in the last couple of games, and they probably
now have a little more market wiggle with his emergence
in the last couple of Gamesanler Parson, you do great
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Speaker 4 (10:08):
Thanks com appreciate thanks for having me, you bet Chandler Parsons.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeah, I think it's so easy for me to just
say blow it up. Yeah, you're not gonna get rid
of Steph because he's still great. But boy, when you
have Steph, this is like Lebron and the Lakers. When
you have Steph or Lebron, they are the offense and
not every like Golden State's a little trapped. Young players
don't work with Steph. They don't They don't work with
Stephan Draymond because of this offense Lebron. Lebron's never had
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any patience. He didn't want to play with Andrew Wiggins.
You go give me Chris Bosh, give me Kevin Love,
give me j R. Smith. I don't want young players,
so like these certain are Kd's different. You can put
Katie in any offense, it works.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
But if you have.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Lebron and Staph, boy, it's gonna be really hard to
rebuild because they don't work with young guys. So what
do you do? I think the Lakers and the Warriors
are more trapped then they want to admit. J Mack
with the news. This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
All right, let's revisit the big breaking news from last hour.
Derek Henry is staying in Baltimore a two year, thirty
million dollar extension, twenty five million of it guaranteed. Henry
is now the third highest paid running back in NFL
history aged thirty or older.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
And oh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
He's the highest paid at thirty year older and becomes
the third highest paid currently in the NFL, behind Saquon
and semac.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Listen.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
I don't think this is that I don't think it's
a bad deal. I don't think it's a huge deal.
They needed to keep Dereck Henry.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
They did the job man. I also think he is
a great compliment to Lamar Jackson, and that was one
of the problems when the Chargers got rid of Keenan Allen.
He was such a dependable third round, third down receiver
for Justin Herbert. Now Herbert as he ages, maybe doesn't
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need that. But generally, as a young quarterback comes into
a league, the first three or four years now. Lamar's
obviously passed that. But I mean, let's be honest. Edelman
was for Brady. Gronk was for Brady, and when and
when Brady went to New England or went to Tampa,
Brady's like I want Gronk. There are Travis Kelcey and Mahomes.
Most quarterbacks have somebody that they really feel comfortable with,
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and I think Derek it's never been wide receivers for Baltimore,
Zay Flowers. I still don't see, as you know, a
difference maker at the highest level. I think Derek and
Lamar work. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
I'm looking at his stats from last year, nineteen hundred yards.
You know he had a really good suit. The only
thing I would caution Colin is I would start to
limit his carries early in the season, just the way
Josh Allen does not run out of the pocket and
scramble ten fifteen times in September in October. Save that
for the postseason. I would start to manage Henry a
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little bit. He's getting older and you're gonna want him
to be a hammer. By the way, against Pittsburgh twenty
six for a buck eighty six in the playoff, game.
And then he came out a week later against Buffalo
and was only sixteen carries eighty four yards in a
game they lost, and they fell behind in that one,
and really, you know, you take him out of the game,
really if you're behind by two scores.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, No, I he is a weird. He's got a
little Adrian Peterson vibe where you're just like, you just
don't see him age until the very end. Like we've
seen McCaffrey get hurt. You can tell he's getting older.
Saquon Barkley's like that. Like if you watch Saquon Barkley,
he's got the energy of a rookie, Like you can't
tell how how long he's been in the league. And
Derrick Henry he had a slow start to his career.
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He didn't pop his first year year and a half
in the league. But he looks like the same back
he was for five years ago. And he is banging
into people on every carry.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Do you think I could tackle him in the open
field any chance?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
No? No, I don't think. Honestly, I think if you
took our entire staff, like eleven people, he'd still gain
eight yards on a dive drag.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
All of us next up, how about this, Colin.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
You have talked a lot about JJ Reddick's interesting comments.
At his exit interview after the Lakers lost to the Timberwolves,
Reddick talked about the team needed to get into championship shape,
which many took us a jab at Luka Doncics. Well,
now the Lakers have posted a job to LinkedIn for
a head of strength and conditioning. Now, to be fair,
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our staff, you know, is a great group. We got here,
they researched it. The Lakers posted for the same job
last season as well. So let's not freak out and
say hahaha, Lakers are hiring on LinkedIn. That being said,
is it something nothing?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
What's going on? Well, it's something because the perception is
that lucas not in tip top shape. It is frustrating
when you have to convince a pro athlete like Zion
and Luca to be in tip top shape. I've argued this,
you can correct. Julius Rannold's a great example. You can
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elevate a player through coaching. You can elevate a player
like Luca through roster construction, like Luca's better when he
has a rim defender. But I can't hold your hand
and get you on the treadmill like that was always
my knock. And you know I've said this before Zion
or Carmelo Anthony. It's like, guys, I need you to
play on both ends and you got to be an
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elite shape. I can change a lot about it. I
can take somebody once told me this a GM. He said,
you can't change a player a full grade. You can
change them half. Agree. You can take a B minus
player to a B plus. You can take a C
plus player to a B minus to a B. You're
not going to turn a C plus to a B
plus through coaching and through planning and how they fit.
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But you're not. Travis Kelsey was destined to be really
really good. Now again, he was going to be an
A minus player. Now he's an A plus player. But
I think with Luca, I'm always frustrated with a professional
athlete who is not who has an off season when
he's not ready to play and comes in shape to
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the season.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
Listen, I'm gonna have to protect my guy Luca here.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
They went to the finals last year in Dallas and
he wasn't in tip top shape. So if you're coming
to Luca and saying, hey, bro, you gotta get a shape.
Hey man, I just carried us on my back to
the finals. Excuse me, like I kind of understand how
Luca where he's coming from. That being said against the Timberwolves,
the Lakers lose in the first round.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Now I can understand the Hey buddy, we need you
to tighten it up a little bit.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
We don't have a rim protector the way you had
Gafford and Lively to protect you in Dallas.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
We don't have that.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Well, anytime, it's like a divorce. You know, you've got
you see a woman or a guy and you just think, man,
what a perfect person, and then they get a divorce
and you're like something has to be wrong, right. Divorces
take two people. It's the same with the trade. We
didn't love what Dallas got for the trade, but why
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would they even consider it. They considered it because for
the second camp he was hurt calf strains. They saw
his work ethic or lack thereof. They were pulling the
beer can out of his hand. Stuff. Whenever you get
a divorce, it takes two people. It can't all be
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on the bad Mavericks. Some of it's Luca maybe they
knew they were getting Cooper flag and the rigged lottery.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Oh god, all.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Right, final story is college football, Colin We have regular
season winch totals out of the big dead Yes, in May,
they've got wind totals obviously at the top. Ohio State
and Oregon and Penn State are ten and a half
one of these. Let me see the quarterback returning Penn
State obviously, but they lost a lot. How about your
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Trojans down there, evan and a half as a wind total?
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Well, I like USC a lot. I don't know about quarterback.
Their schedule is It's okay, keep an eye on that.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
Michigan eight and a half.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
It feels a litle like I haven't done too deep
into the schedule yet, but Michigan will be better this.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Year than they were last year.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Let me let me look at this for a second.
I think Penn State's going to be I think I
think Penn State could find themselves in the national Championship.
I think they're make the playoff.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
It would be a colossal discipline.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah, I think the big I mean, well, you know
what this shows you? What does this show you? More
than anything? You've got three teams here in Ohio State, Oregon,
Penn State, who are in line to play for the
national championship. That's what we used to have every year
in the SEC, when you'd have Georgia, Bama, LSU. This
shows you the power dynamic that there are three teams
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right there, all viable national championship teams. I think Michigan
of all the numbers I see on yeah, I would
say Michigan's probably, But you know what, we don't know
if this coaching staff, I mean, we don't know.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Let me go, Ucla just gets the quarterback from Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
No, Nika, the personnel, No, they're personnel no. And UCLA
planning in cold weather. And I think that that number's fine.
I mean, I'll tell you this is a second year
in a row. USC's at seven and a half. Let
me ask you this. Let's say USC wins seven or eight.
Is Lincoln Riley coming back?
Speaker 6 (19:30):
What's the buyout?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Well? No, his buyout is about eight years at eight
ten million a pop. That's the biggest problem because they
spent so much money on facilities in NIL. But it's
I really like USC. I don't like the quarterback situation.
I think the freshman coming in is the starter and
you're not winning. A Natty is a true freshman starting quarterback.
But they have a quarterback in camp and they can't
(19:52):
name the freshman the starter or he'd transfer, so they're
in a bit of a bind. I think I don't know, no, no, no, no,
I know. I'll take the over on Illinois.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Oh that's right, that's your team of destiny. Yeah, I'll
take the over.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah. I have Illinois making the playoff as the four.
I think Illinois makes the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Don't we have like a wager. I think you have
to do a car if they don't make the playoff
or something like that.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
No, I think it was a.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Croissant I have. I have Illinois over seven and a half.
How about per don't down there at the bottom of
the list two.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I have no idea.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Sorry, so I had to I like saying per don't.
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Speaker 1 (21:59):
You know, we were discussing this about Bill Belichick and
Jordan Hudson, is that whenever you have you know, a
different power dynamic. So you have an older rich man
in his seventies and then you have a young, beautiful
woman early twenties, mid twenties. Everybody's uncomfortable with it. She's
(22:20):
using him. I think Bill's really comfortable with a relationship.
So I don't see Bill as an old apple sauce
for lunch and dinner guy that's just unable to make decisions.
I think the family's discomfort is she may work her
safe self into the will. That's what happens with sometimes
older wealthy men and younger women, and the family gets,
(22:41):
you know, uncomfortable with it. But Bill's living a great life.
And I've said before is the reason I've supported Jordan
Hudson is Bill. The NFL sent signals Bill, you're old,
you're not collaborative, you're out of touch. It doesn't work.
(23:02):
And so Bill went to ESPN laughed a lot, smiled
a lot, seemed jovial in a clear rebranding effort, and
then goes to college and then has a girlfriend and
she's all over social media. I think Bill knows exactly
what he's doing, and I think he's having a heck
of a time doing it. But this all started. The
(23:24):
catalyst for this, the genesis of this move is the
NFL basically sent Bill Belichick a message, and that message was,
you're out of touch. It's an offensive league, it's a
collaborative league. You're a defensive guy, and you're kind of
combative and you have to take control of everything. And
that's not how Sean McVay works in LA, that's not
how the good coaches work. And so Bill's like, Okay,
(23:47):
I still want to coach. I can only go so much.
I mean, Bill Parcells got tired of coaching, but he
went to the GM route. And Bill got tired of
billionaire owners not respecting him and said, well, somebody's gonna
pay me ten million dollars coach. It's college. My dad
was a college coach Navy. And then Bill has this relationship.
Everybody else is getting uncomfortable with it. I'm not so
(24:10):
sure Bill's uncomfortable with any of it. I think he's
quite tired of answering the questions. But I I this idea.
Here's another uncomfortable truth that all those nineteen and twenty
year old recruits may kind of think it's cool. Look
at coach, coach, bring it like you're uncomfortable with it.
(24:32):
But how do we know that tail back from Tallahassee
and kind of it's cool? I mean, so, I don't know.
Michael Hawley been a long time reporter in Boston. I
asked him, how are like Patriot fans responding to all
of this? They're freaked out.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
They're freaked out by the collin.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
What's out of character is the loss of control. He
is a grade A control freak. Like anybody to speak
for him. He handles media situations. You can argue sometimes
he handles them poorly, but he handles them himself. It's
not the Bill Belichick that we saw. It's not the
on the Cincinnati Belichick. It's not the guy grumbling in
(25:14):
front of the media and giving you one and two
word answers. It's actually Belichick stepping back and letting someone
else come forward.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
But there's a sense now that Bill is a disciplinarian,
and he's lost control all pushed back. I don't think
he's lost control. I think I'm going to give North
Carolina credit. Think about the one college football power in
the ACC, Clemson. Clemson on like Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, Bama, Texas, USC.
(25:49):
Clemson has dug their heels in and they refuse to
go nil and transfer portal. And Carolina is like, well,
we're the basketball powerhouse here with Duke, why can't we
be the football powerhouse. This is what Oregon did with
Chip Kelly in the uniforms. Oregon said, we want to
be USC, we want to beat Washington. Let's be a disruptor.
(26:10):
So they hired Chip Kelly and run a play every
thirteen seconds. It becomes the futuristic way college football is played,
a thousand uniforms, the visionary film Night of Nike. And
so I look at Carolina saying, well, in our conference,
Clemson dug their heels in, they're not doing nil. We're
going to go all pro model, completely pro model. I
(26:31):
defend it. And the catalyst for that is Belichick, Mike Lombardi,
and Jordan Hudson. I just I think a lot of
people are uncomfortable with something Bill's totally comfortable with. I mean,
I get again this power dynamic. Jordan Hudson knows what
she's getting into, and some of it's real estate. According
to the New York Post or whoever reported it, you're
(26:52):
uncomfortable with it. I don't think Bill, Mike Lombardi, the players,
I don't think they are. That's just my take. Schedule
released tonight. I said this earlier. Yeah, this is one
of my producers said this. He said everybody wanted Bill
Belichick to change his ways. He listened. He's changing his ways.
(27:13):
I need you to be more collaborative and more current
and youthful. Hey, Jordan, you want to go on a date.
I don't like what he's doing. This is very uncomfortable
for me. Well, I mean, listen, he got a message
from the NFL. Dude, you're old and grumpy. First thing
he does goes on ESPN, tells stories and laughs a lot.
(27:34):
All right, I mean, Bill, listen, you know we see
Bill as this rigid guy, sort of like the late
Bobby Knight, Like there's a way to do it. Bill's changed.
Bill's been talked into things. Never forget Bill's mentor was
Bill Parcells, and there's a legendary story between Bill Parcells
and Bill Belichick going into a Super Bowl that Belichick
brought a defensive game planing the Parcels, and Parcels hated it.
(27:57):
He just hated it and it worked. And so Belichick's
very aware that when he was looking up to Parcels
that sometimes you have to listen to your assistance and
sometimes you have to listen to outsiders. And you know,
I think all the problems started in New England when
Bill took over personnel and he could not he could
(28:19):
not get Brady skill players. We never really heard a
ton about Brady and Belichick. The relationship was fine when
Gronk was in his prime and Aaron Hernandez was in
his prime and Edelman was in his prime. But as
those guys aged, Bill had more power on Draft week
and the drafts got worse, the players got worse, and
(28:41):
they couldn't replace the Edelmans and the Gronks with new,
high energy, high production, skill players. And that was really
the beginning of the end. Brady leaves Belichick has no
feel for offense, and it all came crumbling down. It
is remarkable though the best football coach five years ago
we would have said best football coach of all time
is Bill Belichick, and he is a cautionary tale. Folks
(29:05):
in competitive industries, politics, tech, football, wall street. Life is
fast and if you don't change, you are out of
your element overnight. Nick Saban understood this football changed, no huddle,
the rules changed. And Lane Kiffin was the offensive coordinator
(29:27):
at Alabama and he said, Nick, I can score on
you every possession in practice. You can't stop me. And
Saban do his credits like, no, I can't. And Saban
went from a linebacker defensive line corner program to a quarterback,
wide receiver, left tackle program. So Saban's one of those
guys that could have easily done more of a Bobby
(29:47):
Knight feet in the ground. Mike Krzyzewski won and done.
He dug his feet in for a year or two
and then he was like, yeah, I'm getting beat by
one and done guys. So some guys like Calipari, it's easy.
The transition to new cultures is he Steve Kerr. You know,
Golden State Dodgers have done very well with analytics. They're
like six seven years ago. Andrew Friedman Tampa to Los Angeles.
(30:09):
But a lot of successful people. A lot of times
older men struggle when the world changes, the sand drifts
beneath their feet. They just they're in power. They don't
like it. And Belichick suffered from a little bit of that.
But I think the Carolina move is overwhelmingly him listening,
get younger, get current, be more collaborative, and I think
(30:30):
he is the Only thing only bitter about is if
this thing blows up before Labor Day, I want to
watch him coach. I don't know how good they're going
to be. But Clemson is out on all the changes.
Caroline is like all in on them, and historically the
disruptors they win. They beat the old guard. That's just
(30:52):
the way it works. Our heels open up a lot
of doubles before that Clemson game, Jmac, and a lot
of we'll use after it.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
They're going to the playoff, right everything we established that.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
In the A c C. Yeah, highly likely.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
By the way, they just snagged a transfer from Boise State.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
It looks like a good player. See you tomorrow.
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