April 28, 2025 • 32 mins
Ric Bucher stops by The Herd to talk about the NBA playoffs and why a certain team is surprising a lot of people
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
All right.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
These playoffs are feisty, they're physical. Uh, the arenas are
packed and loud and intense. It has been highly engaging basketball.
Rick Bucher's joining us. I think my take is there
are messages sent all the time. Shador Sanders dropping is
a message. JJ Reddick not going to the bench is
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a message to the front office. Okay, hot shot. That
looks like Rob Lowe, Rob Olinka, congratulations on your new
extension and advancement the organization.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Get me big.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Sure he's basically saying without saying, I trust five guys.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
That's certainly what he did in the last game. I
do think that it was reactionary and impulsive as opposed
to really planned. And I can't put it all on
Rob Palinka because this is where I believe that JJ
showed his youth and inexperience as a coach because he
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has been mixing and matching with his bench all season long,
and at some point you have to decide, I'm gonna
set what my rotation is and what the roles are
for my role players because they need that comfort level.
Steve Kerr was mixing and matching for a good part
of the season, but he got to February March and
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he said, Okay, I need to make some decisions. Jonathan Kamingo,
You're going to the bench like this is going to
be a rotation. We're going to play primarily small Jackson, Trace,
Jackson Davis. Sorry, Kevin Looney, Kevon Looney, Sorry, this is
what we're gonna go with. JJ never made that move,
and so he got to a point where Dalton connect,
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can you throw him out there? And I have no
idea what I'm going to get. That was the case
with all of those players. So does the roster need
to change for Luca, Absolutely, But we.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Knew that going in when they made the trade.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
We said, oh, they've taken a step back, and then
they ended up being better than we thought. And everybody's like, oh, no,
they're title contenders. No, this isn't the right roster for
Luka Dancics. And the biggest missing piece, which that you
pointed out they've tried to do, was to get another
big he needs a rim runner law protector. I looked
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at the numbers from last year's Minnesota Dallas series because
I was wondering, like, Okay, Luca's getting his numbers, but
he's got last I checked, he had like eighteen assists
and fourteen turnovers in this series.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
He's not getting a systm series last.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Year and last year series he had like forty some
assists in eighteen turnovers.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
But he's not getting the lob points exactly.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Derek Lively, Daniel Gafford. Last year he had, first of all,
he had a rim defender for he had a good
shot blocker behind him to protect him defensively, but offensively,
those guys were a combined like plus forty and Jackson
Hayes is close to a minus twenty.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
That is the biggest.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Difference between those two. And you weren't going to fix
that in the short term. They tried at the trade deadline.
Then they realized we can't give up Dalton connect and
a number one pick to get Mark Williams, that's too
much of a risky, so they risky moved, so they
pulled it back.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
But ultimately that's where you have to go.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Yeah, by the way, you just you know, I'm a
little disappointed.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
You've been hanging out with the wrong people.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Your producer tried to convince you that the Timberwolves were
more of a threat than you were saying. I would
have helped you out on that.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I didn't know Julius Randall, which he'd never done in
his career, starts hitting forty three percent of his three pointers.
He'd always been a massive playoff disappointment. He's played great.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
He has, and the thing was is when he got
to Minnesota, he was not very good and they were
not very good, and I think everybody kind of turned
the page on the Timberwolves.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
But over the last part of the.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Season, Randall was playing much better and they'd learned to
play through him. So you just have to be careful
about who you're hanging out with and where you're getting
your some of your NBA expertise, Nick Wright, is can
be a dangerous yes, so it can be a dangerous source.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
You know, we were saying this three years ago. John
Morant would have been taken over Aunt by a lot
of people in the NBA. No, nobody now would take
Job or Aunt. I thought Ant's defensive effort is really
what set a lot of young players come into this league,
and that never had to play defense. And I'm watching
Ant his fourth quarter stuff. He's the best player on
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the floor, ye like, and that to me, He's been
very good for years. I feel like this series has
kind of been a definer, Like.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
No question about it, no question about it.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
I thought that for Minnesota win and for him to
be able to outplay Luca and Lebron in crunch time,
that he was going to have to elevate his game.
He was going to have to go to the next level,
not from a physical standpoint, but from a mental standpoint.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
And one of the reasons.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
That I had I maintained a certain belief that he
could do that is talking to Mike Conley over the
last couple of years, and Mike was like, he wants
to learn, he wants to be better. He sits next
to me and is asking me questions all the time.
And I thought, Okay, at some point he's going to
get over the immaturity and We're going to see that
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come to fruition, and that's exactly what you're seeing in
this series.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Okay, so I picked Houston in seven without kaminga being
an asset. Then Butler gets hurt. I'm like, all right,
grab the shovels is over. Yes, were you shocked not
by Steph's performance, but I mean offensively Houston again.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Doesn't quite know what the heck they are.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
I was shocked by Alpern Sengun. I'll say that he
was so mentally wrecked in that last Why that, I
don't know because it wasn't like Draymond was doing anything extraordinary.
He was getting all he was getting to all his spots,
but for whatever reason, he missed some shots early. Yeah,
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and I don't know if it was the magnitude of
the game. This is what happens when you have young
teams go on the road, on the road unproven star
And this is the value when you have a young
team and you get to the playoffs, because guys can
be regular season studs, but the playoffs are just different
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animal when they're able to dial into what you like
to do and they make it difficult.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I mean, if you turn the sound down and watch
the crowds. People are up. Yes, I mean, it's an
intimidating Houston looked almost intimidated at times.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
And the funny thing is during the regular season they
had a pivotal game at the end of the regular season,
went into the Chase Center and they won that game.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Totally different performance.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
But there's something about, you know what, this game could
be the decider in the series, This possession could be
the decider of this game. That just creates a whole
different atmosphere for young players. And until you see them
in those moments and you see them perform, you don't
really know are they cut above Can you build your
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team around them in terms of being a postseason threat?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Well, I mean we've said this, the disadvantage to being
young in the NBA playoffs is the referees swallow the
whistle and sometimes these older players are just bigger and stronger,
and they've been in NBA weight rooms for a decade,
NBA nutrition and it's just like you're I mean, it's
like nas read Julius Randall. Some of these guys are men,
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and you can see the difference physically on a Houston
and like a Minnesota or a Los Angeles Laker team. Okay,
so I still contend the Clippers are the better team.
Jokic is the best player. The hardest part about this
series is finding it on TV consistently.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I'm gonna, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I still think the Clippers have more depth. I mean,
you go to the box score of this and it's like, basically,
you look how Jamal doing, How do Jokic do? I
just feel I get more a little bit like Minnesota.
I've got more potential scores here for the Clippers.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Yeah, no, no, no, no, I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
They have the depth and the versatility and the size
and the go to scoreres. The Clippers have the better team.
It's just a matter of their execution at the end
of games because and again, it kind of comes down
to the leadership. If you watch Jokic throughout this, he's talking,
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he's barking, he's trying to get guys in place. He's
making demands of both David Adelman, the interim coach, and
the players. Who's doing that for the Clippers when things
go a little bit sideways, Yes, yes, everybody's trying.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
To get their own thing.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
And Kawhi one on one offensively and defensively is everything
you could want. But sometimes you need that guy to say, Hey,
this is what.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
I need from you and you and you, and that's
just not how Kawhi operates. And so that's the missing piece.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
When things get a little shaky, you need somebody to
pull everybody together and say this is the game plan.
And Kylou is a great coach, but I've always gotten
the sense that at the end of games he kind
of hands over the the keys to the car to
his best player. He hands them over to Kawhi or
to James and says, Okay, this is your time. You
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get it done. And if you have the right guys
with the right leadership, that happens. But that's the one
missing element for the Clippers, is just that vocal leadership
when things go a little sideways. You look at them
on paper, they are the better team than the Nuggets.
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Speaker 1 (10:29):
Finally, I think the Knicks are better than the Pistons,
I said earlier. I like physical play. I liked players
deciding it, not the refs. The only downside to allowing
such physical play, you occasionally get fights. There's still that
malice in the palace thing the league's paralyzed by.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Shouldn't be but is.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
The second problem is when you let a game be
officiated physically, that is fine, it doesn't change outcomes. But
with a minute left, if you don't call that stuff,
it changes outcomes. It's too close to the end of
the game that fans remember it. And so I'm watching them.
Let these guys arm wrestle in two and a half hours,
and then those officials are like, well, we wouldn't have
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called that earlier, and it's like, guys, that's.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
A game changer. Yeah, what they do with that?
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Yeah, you have to recognize the situation if guys are
in the post and this is you have a lot
of referees who are inexperience that calling this game like
this and being able to differentiate. It's not the level
of physicality, it's where the physicality is happening. Like you know,
people were to when ant is pushing Lebron James in
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the chest and they're kind of wrestling and doing all that,
You're not calling that because it's not impacting the ball
actually going in the basket. That's just almost a mental wrestle, right,
who's trying to get into who's head.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
And we enjoy that. We enjoy that back and forth.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
By the way, shout out to Adam Silver that we're
allowing this physicality, yes, because it's made the game more competitive,
and it's actually made teams play basketball. You have to
play team basketball in order to get a shot. You
can't just put it in one guy's hands and he
goes to the cup and he's.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Either scoring or he's going to the free throw line.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
We see far less of that, but here's the distinction
in that in that particular instance with the Pistons and
and and the Knicks, and that's that in the post,
I'm going to allow physicality. I'm I'm shoulder to shoulder.
I'm gonna i have to allow that bump. If it's
a guy and it's a jump shooter. If you're just
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touching my elbow, if you're just hitting my shoulder a
little bit, you're you're impacting my ability to make that shot.
I have to blow the whistle on that call. And
it's recognizing the difference between those two. And since we've
been blowing the whistle for everything now we can't see
the distinction. Referees can't see the distinction between oh inside,
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I gotta let a lip nor go on the outside.
I'm I'm all eyes that if there is contact, I've
got to blow the whistle. And then the other part
is is from the where the referee was standing, the
contact was on the other side, and so you don't
know how much of that was contact affected the shot
and how much was Tim Hardaway Junior trying to sell it.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
So I got to give him some grace there.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
But the bigger reason for what we're seeing, maybe the
the uncertainty is because we haven't called the NBA has
not called the game this way for the longest time,
so there's an adjustment period for the referees as well.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Tell you it's hard to turn off the physicality makes
God and Lebau.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
They should bring back the I Love this Game campaign
as well, because you know what I can say, genuinely,
I love this game same.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
I mean it just just it's so good when Lebron
and aunt are I mean not and you're.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Like, oh, this is this is all of them finess.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Jmac likes rainbows and butterflies out there.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I'm out here I want.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I like my Julius Randall, I like my Rudy Gobert,
little forearm, shimmered, bull of it.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
All of it. And here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
The league has this great you talked about like the
fights and all that stuff. Look, we don't have guys
like that in the league anymore. Guys are making Guys
were making hundreds of thousands of dollars. Yeah, you were
gonna you were gonna fight.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Because the pie was smaller.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
The pie was smaller. Now there's way too much at stake.
I'm gonna square off.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
This thing's a moneymaker.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Yeah, you guys are not throwing haymakers now, like it's
never getting to that.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
So meanwhile, we get to see.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
Guys go nose to nose and and talk trash, and
more than anything, we.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Get to see that they care on the level that
fans did.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
That is really the key to this. You watched the
NBA Lebron's diving into ant. You're like Lebron's in year
twenty two. Yes, he's worth eight hundred million dollars or more,
and he's diving on the floor for a loose ball.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
One hundred percent. That's what the fans want exactly by
the way, I can't. I love it.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Yep, they care as much as we do. That's what
we want to see. We want to know that they
care as much as as we do. And I believe
they always have. Yes, But when the when the whistle
is so quick, if you touch a guy, what are
you supposed to do? Like, I want to stay in
the game, I can't touch him? Well, then how am
I supposed to play hard if I can't touch him?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I hope J mack you paid attention to the secondent.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
J mack is used to his pickup game, whereas you know,
you know the kind of player jmak ish J Mackett
pump fake pump, fake it, gets gets his shot blocked,
and he's like, oh, got foul got me on the wrist?
Speaker 6 (15:42):
Because Lebron was asking if ball is wrist?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Wrist is not part of the balls part of the ball.
That was interesting.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
What was that called the hawk camera in the sky?
Reveries don't even have access to that. Look, this camera
found a foul Lakers get job out?
Speaker 3 (15:59):
That was that was That was a tough one.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
That was devastating.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
It was tough, but it was.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Right, Yes, it was. It was right with the news
hand coming.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
I almost want to keep Rick around for this one.
That bummer news. It just broke Colin Damian Lillard. It's
official he has torn achilles. According to Chris Haynes, who's
tight with Lillard. You know, I've seen this a million times.
He just you don't have the bursts and he just
goes down instantly, non contact injury. Just devastating.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Man.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
It stinks. He's getting up there in age and he's in
his mid thirties. The Bucks do not have much of
a path to success. They have no future number ones
for like five or six years. Colin, you know where
this conversation is headed, but we'll start with this. Tyrese Haliburton,
who's had some beef with Lillard back and forth, had
some really nice things to say about Lillard after the game.
Speaker 7 (16:47):
Before we all ask any questions, hants some I thought
some prayers to Dame. What you see between us is competing,
and you know you hate to see that happen, especially
to your guy who's went through a lot, and you
know he's given it is all to come out here
and play after a scary, scary health issue. So it's
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well documented. You know the love I high for that guy,
and so I hate to see what happened to anybody
and wish him the best.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, I was wrong.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
One of the most popular players in the league. You know,
he works out of my gym in the off season sometimes.
So I've seen dame nicest guy anybody who comes up
to talk to.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
He's a great guy.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
He is just a good human. He's been through a
lot off the court personally and now dealing with this,
and it's just a huge bomber. By the way, once
we're done saying stuff about Dane, we need to talk
about the Milwaukee Bucks.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
And be honest, he's got a three straight off first
round exit if they lose, if they're down three to
one round, third straight first round.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
Ax, we're gonna hear about their luxury tax payments pretty soon,
and that ownership group is not gonna be thrilled paying
a massive luxury tax bill losing in the first round.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I've said this before.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
You can get an absolute you can get three first
round picks, three to four players, one being you know,
maybe like a like like a Michale Bridges good starter,
third best starter level player or an O G and
a bunch of picks. I mean I would want an
all star back in three picks.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
Okay, so let me gao like.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
The Mavericks with Luca had they gotten three first rounders
and a D and Austin Reeves.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
I'll make the deal.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
So I had a fun talk with some of the
guys here. Okay, So I'm gonna throw some names that
you would you include them in a trade for Yannis? Okay?
Yannis is thirty thirty one in December. He's still great
at the top of this game. But what it was
you three four more years of prime?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
All right, Grady five?
Speaker 6 (18:38):
Would you trade the number one pick in the draft
along with players? The number one pick would be Cooper
Flag for Yannis.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
I'd want more.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
Well, you're gonna get more. But would you give up
Cooper Flag for twelve years for like four years of prime?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Honis how many first round picks?
Speaker 6 (18:58):
I mean it's gonna take a few Colins. I personally
would not do it.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
And I love you gave me Cooper Flag three first
and a very good NBA player, like again, Michale Bridges
and Austin Reeves.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
Pelicans win the win the lottery, We'll give you Zion
whatever else.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
And the number one no, because Zion's never available.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Okay, Jalen Brown of the Celtics, Okay, give him up
with you know, Derek White, Drew whatever the salary.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Is not give a couple picks, don't you say in
a bike give me the specific Well okay.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Fine, let's toss in Drew Holiday and uh and Jalen Brown.
Would you do that for you? Honest?
Speaker 3 (19:34):
No, no, no, you got to give me.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
If you gave me Jalen Brown and three picks, well, yeah,
you're getting and I want.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
A rotational player. I want Peyton Pritchard.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
So I get a great six man, a really good
number two three first round picks Jalen Brown, Peyton, Peyton Pritchard,
not three first round pick started. I'm gonna I think
if you're Milwaukee, that's about I mean, because Jalen Brown
and Pritchard your back core.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
You got really good. Those are two starters you're getting.
Last one Houston obviously needs a case. Amen Thompson, Jalen
Green and four firsts for y Honest.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I'll take shen goon Is said, giving Amen Thompson, I'm
not and three first.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
I'm not giving up both to this. I like Amen
Thompson a lot. He could be in four years in
all NBA player. He's really freaking good.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah, but I okay, Shen goon Aman Thompson two. First,
I would do it.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
I would do it.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
I stop bad. Listen the Yannis Market, the k D Market.
It's gonna be a fun suning Yannis Market. Is I
mean he is, he's just prime.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
He's getting thirty four points a game against a very
good and long Indiana.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
He says, no help, all right. Sticking with the NBA.
You know we didn't talk about this, but Game four
of Clippers Nuggets unbelievable game good Yu gets were dominating
and then the Clippers store back gets tight in ninety
nine with eight seconds left. Here's the call from ninety
two point five FM Altitude Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Murray looks in, throws it in over to Yoka chanz
it fake the handoff over to Murray Yo get hit
the logo one on one.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
With zoo box two seconds left, fade away.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
Dont by Gordon at the hoard. You count that basket.
It's good at the hord and Denver wins game number four.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Well, they had to look at it.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
They needed that overca of the camera and that was
the only one that showed.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Kelly.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
The sound of it sounds like it shouldn't be good.
I agree, but you can't go off that. Yeah, what
a crazy ending. By the way, you see who missed
the box out there? James Harden skying right over.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
Gordon's five inches tall. Yeah, Clippers are a better way
more athletic. Clippers are the better team in this series.
Gordon is such a dude. Gordon would be a tight
end in the NFL. He is a great athlete.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah, look at that.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
Look at how close?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
So that is North Carolina State now Muquerque.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Yeah, Jim Valvano running around the court.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Remember it was Lorette.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Was Lorenzo Charles, good memory, Lorenzo Charles dunked it in.
It was it Shippenberg, Derrek Wittenberg who was short.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
On the jungle before my time, but I think it
was Yes, it was Albuquerque and c State Warner. Really
good stuff. Final story to the UFL. We had a
sick play call from the BattleHawks and there went over
the Panthers. Six minutes left, Saint Louis pulled off the
wide receiver reverse pass for the go ahead fifty seven
yard touchdown a former Steelers receiver Keen Butler.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, I love Butler.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Coming out of.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
Iowa State didn't really catch on. He tried to move
to tight end. Now he's thriving in the UFL, creating
the separation there for the Tuddy and the game winner.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
You have NFL players here, I've said last year tight ends,
wide receivers, corners. There's NFL players here, certainly, no question.
I still can't believe in the draft. Damien Martinez for
Miami went middle of the seventh round of the Seahawks.
I watched him. He averaged he averaged like four six
a carry. I watched three or four Hurricane games. He
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was excellent in all of them. It's crazy. It was
Wittenberg missed the three, Lorenzo Charles made the dunk.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
Oh get that memory for you.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
But if you go to the seventh round of this draft,
there were guys that I watched play and were good
in big games against good teams that went middle seventh round.
The Hamilton, the Ohio State defensive lineman. Is it Tye
Hamilton the defensive tackle for Ohio State?
Speaker 4 (23:32):
How did he go middle rounds?
Speaker 6 (23:36):
So strange stuff went down at this drive. There was
all the cornerback for Ojis d Burke. Is it Denzel Burke?
I think he felt to like the fifth or sixth round.
There's a lot of guys like all American talent dropping in.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Ty Hamilton went fifth round of the Rams, and I'm like,
I watched him in big games. He will absolutely play
as a rookie for the Rams. He may not start
over Kobe Turnam, he will play. Yeah, how'd you like
the Rams draft? By the way, Well, they didn't have
that many players wanted.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
They wanted weapons.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
They got a They got a running back, which maybe
tells you Blake Koram's not the guy. They got a
tight end, Terrence Ferguson. Then they went and got a
receiver late and they got a really really uh Stuart
the Michigan hyper athletic guy.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
No quarterback.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Huh no.
Speaker 7 (24:15):
No.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
They told you earlier DA when they traded out, they
told you next year is our class. On the air,
I said, I do not buy the Rams Jackson dart rumors.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
Imagine them not thinking a Shdor could have value for
us in the fourth round behind Safford.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
They're playing for the Super Bowls. I know they don't
need a backup quarterback that Jimmy Garoppolo.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
That's if Safford goes down, just they they forget to see.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
It played in Super Bowls.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
If Stafford goes down late, at least we got a
guy who's been in big playoff can yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Uh j Maack with the news.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
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Speaker 1 (26:00):
Our graphic department went out sorry radio audience and made
a graphic for the Browns starting offense. They don't quite
know what to do at quarterback, so there's five orange
dots for quarterback. I contend Joe Flacco should be the
leader in the clubhouse, Chador closely behind him. Kenny Pickett
right now is favored to start, but Shaddoor is a
(26:22):
better quarterback than Kenny Pickett. Now, Picket's been in the
league longer, so obviously he's got a head start there.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
But yeah, I he got underdrafted.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Here's Matt Hasselback earlier on Schadeur's free fall.
Speaker 11 (26:36):
Once he fell, it was clear he was going to fall.
For you know, he could fall pretty far. And there
are some great quarterbacks, and for me, as a sixth
round pick, pick one seven, I was kind of in
my mind a little bit like crimea River. You know,
there's some good players out there, Kyle McCord, Riley, Leonard,
will Howard. But I do think Shadoor Sanders is a
really good quarterback. I think he's talented. Uh, clearly, his
(26:58):
film was a lot better than I think maybe some
of the interactions and some of the lead up to
the draft, and that probably gave some people some pause.
Speaker 12 (27:07):
Some teams that might have taken him chose to go elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, I thought, you know, remember his dad famously sandbagged
interviews and bragged about it. His dad was an a
plus plus plus prospect. There are reports now from various sources,
from Justina Anderson to the Ringers, Todd mcshae saying, you know,
he came off as brash or disengaged, and you know,
(27:33):
so I don't think, you know, Dion sort of pivoted
in mid March to late March into Okay, anybody can
draft him. But that wasn't at the Super Bowl what
we were hearing. And I think that those are crucial
months in February and March, as teams are making up
their draft board and making decisions. And you know, you
got a dad out there. You know, I've been saying
this for the last two weeks. Quarterback dad has become
(27:56):
pageant mom. Your intentions are good, but you're misguided, and
it's it turns people off. And we saw it with
Nico Iamaliava in college. You know, the dad said, what
took his son out of practice? And college football said, no,
we're not going to do it here. That's not the
way it's going to work. And similarly, I think the
(28:17):
NFL sent a message like no or and and the
other thing that's not being discussed on a lot of
other shows. Nobody wants a celebrity backup quarterback, like to
bring in Tim Tebow to the Jets was a huge
mess for Mark Sanchez. Bill Belichick famously let Cam Newton go.
(28:39):
Not that Cam Newton wouldn't have been one of the
better backups in the league, but Cam is high profile.
You don't want a celebrity backup. That's the downside to
being a Johnny Manziel. You start or not interested because
your backup quarterbacks often an older quarterback, a mentor or
like Jalen Milrow. Maybe in a year and a half
(28:59):
to two years you're the guy. But Shadoor, in my opinion,
is ready to play pretty soon. So if you didn't
see him as a starter, and not many teams needed
a starter, Pittsburgh and Tennessee needed an immediate starter. I
would argue Cleveland, but they gave you this signal very
(29:21):
early in the draft by trading down. We don't like
this class we're going to next year. Cleveland sent a
message with a second pick, we'll give up Travis Hunter,
who we know is great. We want a second first
round pick. We're gonna get a quarterback next year. So
Stefanski and Andrew Barrier, sharp guys. They sent the message.
That's why when they draft Shadoor later, it feels like
(29:44):
probably the owner, which he's done before. Here's Hasselbeck on
how to make five quarterbacks in a quarterback room work
in the NFL.
Speaker 11 (29:55):
It doesn't feel like a head coach gm draft pick.
For that reason, it feels like an owner's ship draft pick.
It feels like, uh, you know, they had a plan
and then all of a sudden, someone who ranks higher
than them said, hey, why don't we do this. I
wouldn't be surprised to see somebody get traded at some point.
Speaker 12 (30:12):
That's just the nature of how it goes.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Uh.
Speaker 12 (30:15):
But I remember being my first year.
Speaker 11 (30:18):
I was the fourth string quarterback for the Green Bay Packers,
and like I said, there's nothing to do. Essentially, they
used me as a practice squad tight end at practice.
So somebody's got to go.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, can I ask real quick?
Speaker 6 (30:33):
So Deshaun Watson historically struggled in Stefanski's offense.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Yes, he's not a classic pocket quarterback.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
Shadeer is well, when Joe Flacco took over the rains,
remember they got hot and made the playoff.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
He is a he is a quarterback, a pocket quarterback.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
He's in that quarterback groom. Okay, I wonder if they
targeted Kenny Pickett specifically because he's tailored to their offense.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Man, but I don't think Pickett. I think she is
better than Pickett.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
I don't disagree with you, but by a long we
would say j Shaun Watson's better than Joe Flacco like
eighty forty year old.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Joe Flacco, So Stefanski likes pocket guy.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
He also likes guys who don't really make mistakes. Now,
Flacco made a lot of them in the playoff loss,
but he got them there with an amazing run to
end the season. I think this is a big uphill
climb for Shador center a big one because remember if
he met with the Browns and was all arrogant and
cocky and they were like, no thanks, that's another hurdle.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
You got it.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
When you get into the quarterback room with five other guys, Colin,
this is not going to be easy for Shador. I
think you need to lower expectations just a little bit.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Oh, I think he's a I think he is a
at worst a mid second round quarterback.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
I would agree.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yeah. I mean, if you didn't like him, that's okay.
But you can't tell me he's a fifth round.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
But you're talking about the football player, Shador. What about
all the other stuff that clearly matters.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Matters pre draft, But once you get in the league
and can spin it, it matters a lot.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
Like what if Saor says, Hey, I'm moving to Cleveland.
I don't know nobody there. I want my boys to
come with me. I need my crew. What really, we're
not in the huddle. So I'll tell you something I
always told my kids this. I said, strangely to my kids,
your grades in high school matter more than your grades
in college. I always told my kids, work your ass
off in high school. In college, go to a few parties. Yeah,
(32:15):
have fun.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Okay, in the NFL, your attitude and how you present
yourself is actually more important up to the draft. If
you can spin it and play in the NFL. Bottom
line is if you're winning games in the NFL. Aaron
Rodgers is getting another look. Jay Cutler got multiple look.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
Let me quickly remind you Johnny Manziel was a party
animal at Texas A and M gets to the NFL
and as a rookie through a keg party one Friday
night during the season, and then they were trying to read.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
The teams in the league didn't have him on their
draft board.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
I wonder if there's some of that should do oh.
I think there was similarities with Manziel not partying, but yeah,
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
All right.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
These playoffs are feisty, they're physical. Uh, the arenas are
packed and loud and intense. It has been highly engaging basketball.
Rick Bucher's joining us. I think my take is there
are messages sent all the time. Shador Sanders dropping is
a message. JJ Reddick not going to the bench is
(00:46):
a message to the front office. Okay, hot shot. That
looks like Rob Lowe, Rob Olinka, congratulations on your new
extension and advancement the organization.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Get me big.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Sure he's basically saying without saying, I trust five guys.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
That's certainly what he did in the last game. I
do think that it was reactionary and impulsive as opposed
to really planned. And I can't put it all on
Rob Palinka because this is where I believe that JJ
showed his youth and inexperience as a coach because he
(01:24):
has been mixing and matching with his bench all season long,
and at some point you have to decide, I'm gonna
set what my rotation is and what the roles are
for my role players because they need that comfort level.
Steve Kerr was mixing and matching for a good part
of the season, but he got to February March and
(01:46):
he said, Okay, I need to make some decisions. Jonathan Kamingo,
You're going to the bench like this is going to
be a rotation. We're going to play primarily small Jackson, Trace,
Jackson Davis. Sorry, Kevin Looney, Kevon Looney, Sorry, this is
what we're gonna go with. JJ never made that move,
and so he got to a point where Dalton connect,
(02:09):
can you throw him out there? And I have no
idea what I'm going to get. That was the case
with all of those players. So does the roster need
to change for Luca, Absolutely, But we.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Knew that going in when they made the trade.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
We said, oh, they've taken a step back, and then
they ended up being better than we thought. And everybody's like, oh, no,
they're title contenders. No, this isn't the right roster for
Luka Dancics. And the biggest missing piece, which that you
pointed out they've tried to do, was to get another
big he needs a rim runner law protector. I looked
(02:45):
at the numbers from last year's Minnesota Dallas series because
I was wondering, like, Okay, Luca's getting his numbers, but
he's got last I checked, he had like eighteen assists
and fourteen turnovers in this series.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
He's not getting a systm series last.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Year and last year series he had like forty some
assists in eighteen turnovers.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
But he's not getting the lob points exactly.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Derek Lively, Daniel Gafford. Last year he had, first of all,
he had a rim defender for he had a good
shot blocker behind him to protect him defensively, but offensively,
those guys were a combined like plus forty and Jackson
Hayes is close to a minus twenty.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
That is the biggest.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Difference between those two. And you weren't going to fix
that in the short term. They tried at the trade deadline.
Then they realized we can't give up Dalton connect and
a number one pick to get Mark Williams, that's too
much of a risky, so they risky moved, so they
pulled it back.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
But ultimately that's where you have to go.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Yeah, by the way, you just you know, I'm a
little disappointed.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
You've been hanging out with the wrong people.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Your producer tried to convince you that the Timberwolves were
more of a threat than you were saying. I would
have helped you out on that.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I didn't know Julius Randall, which he'd never done in
his career, starts hitting forty three percent of his three pointers.
He'd always been a massive playoff disappointment. He's played great.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
He has, and the thing was is when he got
to Minnesota, he was not very good and they were
not very good, and I think everybody kind of turned
the page on the Timberwolves.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
But over the last part of the.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Season, Randall was playing much better and they'd learned to
play through him. So you just have to be careful
about who you're hanging out with and where you're getting
your some of your NBA expertise, Nick Wright, is can
be a dangerous yes, so it can be a dangerous source.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
You know, we were saying this three years ago. John
Morant would have been taken over Aunt by a lot
of people in the NBA. No, nobody now would take
Job or Aunt. I thought Ant's defensive effort is really
what set a lot of young players come into this league,
and that never had to play defense. And I'm watching
Ant his fourth quarter stuff. He's the best player on
(05:03):
the floor, ye like, and that to me, He's been
very good for years. I feel like this series has
kind of been a definer, Like.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
No question about it, no question about it.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
I thought that for Minnesota win and for him to
be able to outplay Luca and Lebron in crunch time,
that he was going to have to elevate his game.
He was going to have to go to the next level,
not from a physical standpoint, but from a mental standpoint.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
And one of the reasons.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
That I had I maintained a certain belief that he
could do that is talking to Mike Conley over the
last couple of years, and Mike was like, he wants
to learn, he wants to be better. He sits next
to me and is asking me questions all the time.
And I thought, Okay, at some point he's going to
get over the immaturity and We're going to see that
(05:55):
come to fruition, and that's exactly what you're seeing in
this series.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Okay, so I picked Houston in seven without kaminga being
an asset. Then Butler gets hurt. I'm like, all right,
grab the shovels is over. Yes, were you shocked not
by Steph's performance, but I mean offensively Houston again.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Doesn't quite know what the heck they are.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
I was shocked by Alpern Sengun. I'll say that he
was so mentally wrecked in that last Why that, I
don't know because it wasn't like Draymond was doing anything extraordinary.
He was getting all he was getting to all his spots,
but for whatever reason, he missed some shots early. Yeah,
(06:40):
and I don't know if it was the magnitude of
the game. This is what happens when you have young
teams go on the road, on the road unproven star
And this is the value when you have a young
team and you get to the playoffs, because guys can
be regular season studs, but the playoffs are just different
(07:00):
animal when they're able to dial into what you like
to do and they make it difficult.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I mean, if you turn the sound down and watch
the crowds. People are up. Yes, I mean, it's an
intimidating Houston looked almost intimidated at times.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
And the funny thing is during the regular season they
had a pivotal game at the end of the regular season,
went into the Chase Center and they won that game.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Totally different performance.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
But there's something about, you know what, this game could
be the decider in the series, This possession could be
the decider of this game. That just creates a whole
different atmosphere for young players. And until you see them
in those moments and you see them perform, you don't
really know are they cut above Can you build your
(07:46):
team around them in terms of being a postseason threat?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Well, I mean we've said this, the disadvantage to being
young in the NBA playoffs is the referees swallow the
whistle and sometimes these older players are just bigger and stronger,
and they've been in NBA weight rooms for a decade,
NBA nutrition and it's just like you're I mean, it's
like nas read Julius Randall. Some of these guys are men,
(08:11):
and you can see the difference physically on a Houston
and like a Minnesota or a Los Angeles Laker team. Okay,
so I still contend the Clippers are the better team.
Jokic is the best player. The hardest part about this
series is finding it on TV consistently.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I'm gonna, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I still think the Clippers have more depth. I mean,
you go to the box score of this and it's like, basically,
you look how Jamal doing, How do Jokic do? I
just feel I get more a little bit like Minnesota.
I've got more potential scores here for the Clippers.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Yeah, no, no, no, no, I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
They have the depth and the versatility and the size
and the go to scoreres. The Clippers have the better team.
It's just a matter of their execution at the end
of games because and again, it kind of comes down
to the leadership. If you watch Jokic throughout this, he's talking,
(09:10):
he's barking, he's trying to get guys in place. He's
making demands of both David Adelman, the interim coach, and
the players. Who's doing that for the Clippers when things
go a little bit sideways, Yes, yes, everybody's trying.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
To get their own thing.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
And Kawhi one on one offensively and defensively is everything
you could want. But sometimes you need that guy to say, Hey,
this is what.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
I need from you and you and you, and that's
just not how Kawhi operates. And so that's the missing piece.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
When things get a little shaky, you need somebody to
pull everybody together and say this is the game plan.
And Kylou is a great coach, but I've always gotten
the sense that at the end of games he kind
of hands over the the keys to the car to
his best player. He hands them over to Kawhi or
to James and says, Okay, this is your time. You
(10:07):
get it done. And if you have the right guys
with the right leadership, that happens. But that's the one
missing element for the Clippers, is just that vocal leadership
when things go a little sideways. You look at them
on paper, they are the better team than the Nuggets.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
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Speaker 1 (10:29):
Finally, I think the Knicks are better than the Pistons,
I said earlier. I like physical play. I liked players
deciding it, not the refs. The only downside to allowing
such physical play, you occasionally get fights. There's still that
malice in the palace thing the league's paralyzed by.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Shouldn't be but is.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
The second problem is when you let a game be
officiated physically, that is fine, it doesn't change outcomes. But
with a minute left, if you don't call that stuff,
it changes outcomes. It's too close to the end of
the game that fans remember it. And so I'm watching them.
Let these guys arm wrestle in two and a half hours,
and then those officials are like, well, we wouldn't have
(11:09):
called that earlier, and it's like, guys, that's.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
A game changer. Yeah, what they do with that?
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Yeah, you have to recognize the situation if guys are
in the post and this is you have a lot
of referees who are inexperience that calling this game like
this and being able to differentiate. It's not the level
of physicality, it's where the physicality is happening. Like you know,
people were to when ant is pushing Lebron James in
(11:36):
the chest and they're kind of wrestling and doing all that,
You're not calling that because it's not impacting the ball
actually going in the basket. That's just almost a mental wrestle, right,
who's trying to get into who's head.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
And we enjoy that. We enjoy that back and forth.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
By the way, shout out to Adam Silver that we're
allowing this physicality, yes, because it's made the game more competitive,
and it's actually made teams play basketball. You have to
play team basketball in order to get a shot. You
can't just put it in one guy's hands and he
goes to the cup and he's.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Either scoring or he's going to the free throw line.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
We see far less of that, but here's the distinction
in that in that particular instance with the Pistons and
and and the Knicks, and that's that in the post,
I'm going to allow physicality. I'm I'm shoulder to shoulder.
I'm gonna i have to allow that bump. If it's
a guy and it's a jump shooter. If you're just
(12:34):
touching my elbow, if you're just hitting my shoulder a
little bit, you're you're impacting my ability to make that shot.
I have to blow the whistle on that call. And
it's recognizing the difference between those two. And since we've
been blowing the whistle for everything now we can't see
the distinction. Referees can't see the distinction between oh inside,
(12:58):
I gotta let a lip nor go on the outside.
I'm I'm all eyes that if there is contact, I've
got to blow the whistle. And then the other part
is is from the where the referee was standing, the
contact was on the other side, and so you don't
know how much of that was contact affected the shot
and how much was Tim Hardaway Junior trying to sell it.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
So I got to give him some grace there.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
But the bigger reason for what we're seeing, maybe the
the uncertainty is because we haven't called the NBA has
not called the game this way for the longest time,
so there's an adjustment period for the referees as well.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Tell you it's hard to turn off the physicality makes
God and Lebau.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
They should bring back the I Love this Game campaign
as well, because you know what I can say, genuinely,
I love this game same.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
I mean it just just it's so good when Lebron
and aunt are I mean not and you're.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Like, oh, this is this is all of them finess.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Jmac likes rainbows and butterflies out there.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I'm out here I want.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I like my Julius Randall, I like my Rudy Gobert,
little forearm, shimmered, bull of it.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
All of it. And here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
The league has this great you talked about like the
fights and all that stuff. Look, we don't have guys
like that in the league anymore. Guys are making Guys
were making hundreds of thousands of dollars. Yeah, you were
gonna you were gonna fight.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Because the pie was smaller.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
The pie was smaller. Now there's way too much at stake.
I'm gonna square off.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
This thing's a moneymaker.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Yeah, you guys are not throwing haymakers now, like it's
never getting to that.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
So meanwhile, we get to see.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
Guys go nose to nose and and talk trash, and
more than anything, we.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Get to see that they care on the level that
fans did.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
That is really the key to this. You watched the
NBA Lebron's diving into ant. You're like Lebron's in year
twenty two. Yes, he's worth eight hundred million dollars or more,
and he's diving on the floor for a loose ball.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
One hundred percent. That's what the fans want exactly by
the way, I can't. I love it.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Yep, they care as much as we do. That's what
we want to see. We want to know that they
care as much as as we do. And I believe
they always have. Yes, But when the when the whistle
is so quick, if you touch a guy, what are
you supposed to do? Like, I want to stay in
the game, I can't touch him? Well, then how am
I supposed to play hard if I can't touch him?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I hope J mack you paid attention to the secondent.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
J mack is used to his pickup game, whereas you know,
you know the kind of player jmak ish J Mackett
pump fake pump, fake it, gets gets his shot blocked,
and he's like, oh, got foul got me on the wrist?
Speaker 6 (15:42):
Because Lebron was asking if ball is wrist?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Wrist is not part of the balls part of the ball.
That was interesting.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
What was that called the hawk camera in the sky?
Reveries don't even have access to that. Look, this camera
found a foul Lakers get job out?
Speaker 3 (15:59):
That was that was That was a tough one.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
That was devastating.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
It was tough, but it was.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Right, Yes, it was. It was right with the news
hand coming.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
I almost want to keep Rick around for this one.
That bummer news. It just broke Colin Damian Lillard. It's
official he has torn achilles. According to Chris Haynes, who's
tight with Lillard. You know, I've seen this a million times.
He just you don't have the bursts and he just
goes down instantly, non contact injury. Just devastating.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Man.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
It stinks. He's getting up there in age and he's in
his mid thirties. The Bucks do not have much of
a path to success. They have no future number ones
for like five or six years. Colin, you know where
this conversation is headed, but we'll start with this. Tyrese Haliburton,
who's had some beef with Lillard back and forth, had
some really nice things to say about Lillard after the game.
Speaker 7 (16:47):
Before we all ask any questions, hants some I thought
some prayers to Dame. What you see between us is competing,
and you know you hate to see that happen, especially
to your guy who's went through a lot, and you
know he's given it is all to come out here
and play after a scary, scary health issue. So it's
(17:07):
well documented. You know the love I high for that guy,
and so I hate to see what happened to anybody
and wish him the best.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, I was wrong.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
One of the most popular players in the league. You know,
he works out of my gym in the off season sometimes.
So I've seen dame nicest guy anybody who comes up
to talk to.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
He's a great guy.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
He is just a good human. He's been through a
lot off the court personally and now dealing with this,
and it's just a huge bomber. By the way, once
we're done saying stuff about Dane, we need to talk
about the Milwaukee Bucks.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
And be honest, he's got a three straight off first
round exit if they lose, if they're down three to
one round, third straight first round.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
Ax, we're gonna hear about their luxury tax payments pretty soon,
and that ownership group is not gonna be thrilled paying
a massive luxury tax bill losing in the first round.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I've said this before.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
You can get an absolute you can get three first
round picks, three to four players, one being you know,
maybe like a like like a Michale Bridges good starter,
third best starter level player or an O G and
a bunch of picks. I mean I would want an
all star back in three picks.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
Okay, so let me gao like.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
The Mavericks with Luca had they gotten three first rounders
and a D and Austin Reeves.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
I'll make the deal.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
So I had a fun talk with some of the
guys here. Okay, So I'm gonna throw some names that
you would you include them in a trade for Yannis? Okay?
Yannis is thirty thirty one in December. He's still great
at the top of this game. But what it was
you three four more years of prime?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
All right, Grady five?
Speaker 6 (18:38):
Would you trade the number one pick in the draft
along with players? The number one pick would be Cooper
Flag for Yannis.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
I'd want more.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
Well, you're gonna get more. But would you give up
Cooper Flag for twelve years for like four years of prime?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Honis how many first round picks?
Speaker 6 (18:58):
I mean it's gonna take a few Colins. I personally
would not do it.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
And I love you gave me Cooper Flag three first
and a very good NBA player, like again, Michale Bridges
and Austin Reeves.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
Pelicans win the win the lottery, We'll give you Zion
whatever else.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
And the number one no, because Zion's never available.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Okay, Jalen Brown of the Celtics, Okay, give him up
with you know, Derek White, Drew whatever the salary.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Is not give a couple picks, don't you say in
a bike give me the specific Well okay.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Fine, let's toss in Drew Holiday and uh and Jalen Brown.
Would you do that for you? Honest?
Speaker 3 (19:34):
No, no, no, you got to give me.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
If you gave me Jalen Brown and three picks, well, yeah,
you're getting and I want.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
A rotational player. I want Peyton Pritchard.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
So I get a great six man, a really good
number two three first round picks Jalen Brown, Peyton, Peyton Pritchard,
not three first round pick started. I'm gonna I think
if you're Milwaukee, that's about I mean, because Jalen Brown
and Pritchard your back core.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
You got really good. Those are two starters you're getting.
Last one Houston obviously needs a case. Amen Thompson, Jalen
Green and four firsts for y Honest.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I'll take shen goon Is said, giving Amen Thompson, I'm
not and three first.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
I'm not giving up both to this. I like Amen
Thompson a lot. He could be in four years in
all NBA player. He's really freaking good.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah, but I okay, Shen goon Aman Thompson two. First,
I would do it.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
I would do it.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
I stop bad. Listen the Yannis Market, the k D Market.
It's gonna be a fun suning Yannis Market. Is I
mean he is, he's just prime.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
He's getting thirty four points a game against a very
good and long Indiana.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
He says, no help, all right. Sticking with the NBA.
You know we didn't talk about this, but Game four
of Clippers Nuggets unbelievable game good Yu gets were dominating
and then the Clippers store back gets tight in ninety
nine with eight seconds left. Here's the call from ninety
two point five FM Altitude Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Murray looks in, throws it in over to Yoka chanz
it fake the handoff over to Murray Yo get hit
the logo one on one.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
With zoo box two seconds left, fade away.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
Dont by Gordon at the hoard. You count that basket.
It's good at the hord and Denver wins game number four.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Well, they had to look at it.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
They needed that overca of the camera and that was
the only one that showed.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Kelly.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
The sound of it sounds like it shouldn't be good.
I agree, but you can't go off that. Yeah, what
a crazy ending. By the way, you see who missed
the box out there? James Harden skying right over.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
Gordon's five inches tall. Yeah, Clippers are a better way
more athletic. Clippers are the better team in this series.
Gordon is such a dude. Gordon would be a tight
end in the NFL. He is a great athlete.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah, look at that.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
Look at how close?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
So that is North Carolina State now Muquerque.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Yeah, Jim Valvano running around the court.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Remember it was Lorette.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Was Lorenzo Charles, good memory, Lorenzo Charles dunked it in.
It was it Shippenberg, Derrek Wittenberg who was short.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
On the jungle before my time, but I think it
was Yes, it was Albuquerque and c State Warner. Really
good stuff. Final story to the UFL. We had a
sick play call from the BattleHawks and there went over
the Panthers. Six minutes left, Saint Louis pulled off the
wide receiver reverse pass for the go ahead fifty seven
yard touchdown a former Steelers receiver Keen Butler.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, I love Butler.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Coming out of.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
Iowa State didn't really catch on. He tried to move
to tight end. Now he's thriving in the UFL, creating
the separation there for the Tuddy and the game winner.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
You have NFL players here, I've said last year tight ends,
wide receivers, corners. There's NFL players here, certainly, no question.
I still can't believe in the draft. Damien Martinez for
Miami went middle of the seventh round of the Seahawks.
I watched him. He averaged he averaged like four six
a carry. I watched three or four Hurricane games. He
(23:05):
was excellent in all of them. It's crazy. It was
Wittenberg missed the three, Lorenzo Charles made the dunk.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
Oh get that memory for you.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
But if you go to the seventh round of this draft,
there were guys that I watched play and were good
in big games against good teams that went middle seventh round.
The Hamilton, the Ohio State defensive lineman. Is it Tye
Hamilton the defensive tackle for Ohio State?
Speaker 4 (23:32):
How did he go middle rounds?
Speaker 6 (23:36):
So strange stuff went down at this drive. There was
all the cornerback for Ojis d Burke. Is it Denzel Burke?
I think he felt to like the fifth or sixth round.
There's a lot of guys like all American talent dropping in.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Ty Hamilton went fifth round of the Rams, and I'm like,
I watched him in big games. He will absolutely play
as a rookie for the Rams. He may not start
over Kobe Turnam, he will play. Yeah, how'd you like
the Rams draft? By the way, Well, they didn't have
that many players wanted.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
They wanted weapons.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
They got a They got a running back, which maybe
tells you Blake Koram's not the guy. They got a
tight end, Terrence Ferguson. Then they went and got a
receiver late and they got a really really uh Stuart
the Michigan hyper athletic guy.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
No quarterback.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Huh no.
Speaker 7 (24:15):
No.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
They told you earlier DA when they traded out, they
told you next year is our class. On the air,
I said, I do not buy the Rams Jackson dart rumors.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
Imagine them not thinking a Shdor could have value for
us in the fourth round behind Safford.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
They're playing for the Super Bowls. I know they don't
need a backup quarterback that Jimmy Garoppolo.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
That's if Safford goes down, just they they forget to see.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
It played in Super Bowls.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
If Stafford goes down late, at least we got a
guy who's been in big playoff can yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Uh j Maack with the news.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Oh yeah, what a show.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
A lot of stuff going, a lot of movement today
we'll wrap it up next to Herd.
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Speaker 1 (26:00):
Our graphic department went out sorry radio audience and made
a graphic for the Browns starting offense. They don't quite
know what to do at quarterback, so there's five orange
dots for quarterback. I contend Joe Flacco should be the
leader in the clubhouse, Chador closely behind him. Kenny Pickett
right now is favored to start, but Shaddoor is a
(26:22):
better quarterback than Kenny Pickett. Now, Picket's been in the
league longer, so obviously he's got a head start there.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
But yeah, I he got underdrafted.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Here's Matt Hasselback earlier on Schadeur's free fall.
Speaker 11 (26:36):
Once he fell, it was clear he was going to fall.
For you know, he could fall pretty far. And there
are some great quarterbacks, and for me, as a sixth
round pick, pick one seven, I was kind of in
my mind a little bit like crimea River. You know,
there's some good players out there, Kyle McCord, Riley, Leonard,
will Howard. But I do think Shadoor Sanders is a
really good quarterback. I think he's talented. Uh, clearly, his
(26:58):
film was a lot better than I think maybe some
of the interactions and some of the lead up to
the draft, and that probably gave some people some pause.
Speaker 12 (27:07):
Some teams that might have taken him chose to go elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, I thought, you know, remember his dad famously sandbagged
interviews and bragged about it. His dad was an a
plus plus plus prospect. There are reports now from various sources,
from Justina Anderson to the Ringers, Todd mcshae saying, you know,
he came off as brash or disengaged, and you know,
(27:33):
so I don't think, you know, Dion sort of pivoted
in mid March to late March into Okay, anybody can
draft him. But that wasn't at the Super Bowl what
we were hearing. And I think that those are crucial
months in February and March, as teams are making up
their draft board and making decisions. And you know, you
got a dad out there. You know, I've been saying
this for the last two weeks. Quarterback dad has become
(27:56):
pageant mom. Your intentions are good, but you're misguided, and
it's it turns people off. And we saw it with
Nico Iamaliava in college. You know, the dad said, what
took his son out of practice? And college football said, no,
we're not going to do it here. That's not the
way it's going to work. And similarly, I think the
(28:17):
NFL sent a message like no or and and the
other thing that's not being discussed on a lot of
other shows. Nobody wants a celebrity backup quarterback, like to
bring in Tim Tebow to the Jets was a huge
mess for Mark Sanchez. Bill Belichick famously let Cam Newton go.
(28:39):
Not that Cam Newton wouldn't have been one of the
better backups in the league, but Cam is high profile.
You don't want a celebrity backup. That's the downside to
being a Johnny Manziel. You start or not interested because
your backup quarterbacks often an older quarterback, a mentor or
like Jalen Milrow. Maybe in a year and a half
(28:59):
to two years you're the guy. But Shadoor, in my opinion,
is ready to play pretty soon. So if you didn't
see him as a starter, and not many teams needed
a starter, Pittsburgh and Tennessee needed an immediate starter. I
would argue Cleveland, but they gave you this signal very
(29:21):
early in the draft by trading down. We don't like
this class we're going to next year. Cleveland sent a
message with a second pick, we'll give up Travis Hunter,
who we know is great. We want a second first
round pick. We're gonna get a quarterback next year. So
Stefanski and Andrew Barrier, sharp guys. They sent the message.
That's why when they draft Shadoor later, it feels like
(29:44):
probably the owner, which he's done before. Here's Hasselbeck on
how to make five quarterbacks in a quarterback room work
in the NFL.
Speaker 11 (29:55):
It doesn't feel like a head coach gm draft pick.
For that reason, it feels like an owner's ship draft pick.
It feels like, uh, you know, they had a plan
and then all of a sudden, someone who ranks higher
than them said, hey, why don't we do this. I
wouldn't be surprised to see somebody get traded at some point.
Speaker 12 (30:12):
That's just the nature of how it goes.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Uh.
Speaker 12 (30:15):
But I remember being my first year.
Speaker 11 (30:18):
I was the fourth string quarterback for the Green Bay Packers,
and like I said, there's nothing to do. Essentially, they
used me as a practice squad tight end at practice.
So somebody's got to go.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, can I ask real quick?
Speaker 6 (30:33):
So Deshaun Watson historically struggled in Stefanski's offense.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Yes, he's not a classic pocket quarterback.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
Shadeer is well, when Joe Flacco took over the rains,
remember they got hot and made the playoff.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
He is a he is a quarterback, a pocket quarterback.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
He's in that quarterback groom. Okay, I wonder if they
targeted Kenny Pickett specifically because he's tailored to their offense.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Man, but I don't think Pickett. I think she is
better than Pickett.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
I don't disagree with you, but by a long we
would say j Shaun Watson's better than Joe Flacco like
eighty forty year old.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Joe Flacco, So Stefanski likes pocket guy.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
He also likes guys who don't really make mistakes. Now,
Flacco made a lot of them in the playoff loss,
but he got them there with an amazing run to
end the season. I think this is a big uphill
climb for Shador center a big one because remember if
he met with the Browns and was all arrogant and
cocky and they were like, no thanks, that's another hurdle.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
You got it.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
When you get into the quarterback room with five other guys, Colin,
this is not going to be easy for Shador. I
think you need to lower expectations just a little bit.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Oh, I think he's a I think he is a
at worst a mid second round quarterback.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
I would agree.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yeah. I mean, if you didn't like him, that's okay.
But you can't tell me he's a fifth round.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
But you're talking about the football player, Shador. What about
all the other stuff that clearly matters.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Matters pre draft, But once you get in the league
and can spin it, it matters a lot.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
Like what if Saor says, Hey, I'm moving to Cleveland.
I don't know nobody there. I want my boys to
come with me. I need my crew. What really, we're
not in the huddle. So I'll tell you something I
always told my kids this. I said, strangely to my kids,
your grades in high school matter more than your grades
in college. I always told my kids, work your ass
off in high school. In college, go to a few parties. Yeah,
(32:15):
have fun.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Okay, in the NFL, your attitude and how you present
yourself is actually more important up to the draft. If
you can spin it and play in the NFL. Bottom
line is if you're winning games in the NFL. Aaron
Rodgers is getting another look. Jay Cutler got multiple look.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
Let me quickly remind you Johnny Manziel was a party
animal at Texas A and M gets to the NFL
and as a rookie through a keg party one Friday
night during the season, and then they were trying to read.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
The teams in the league didn't have him on their
draft board.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
I wonder if there's some of that should do oh.
I think there was similarities with Manziel not partying, but yeah,
see you tomorrow.
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