January 15, 2024 • 45 mins
Colin talks about the meteoric rise of Jordan Love who thrives over the Cowboys on Super Wildcard Weekend. LeSean McCoy stops by to talk about the Eagles ahead of their Buccaneers matchup, and more storylines from the NFL playoffs.
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
All right, here we go our three, A lot of energy.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Shady McCoy's joining us Eagles.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I like Philly tonight, and they've been a bit of
a tire fire for about a month and a half
off man, maybe longer than that, so I like him tonight.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Shady McCoy is gonna be joining us.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Shaymac. What a crazy, crazy weekend. We're waiting for the
Steelers Bills game that starts in about two.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Hours, two and a half hours. That'll give us some
clarity on the AFC picture. Green Bay.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Listen, Cowboys lost, coach probably toasted.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
If the Eagles lose, I think you and I agree,
Siriani could be in some trouble. We haven't brought this
team up, but Buffalo Bill's made a great run. If
they lose that home to Pittsburgh, I mean, do you
have to ask questions about McDermott. They will have slips
down the hill three straight years in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
This weather could be a real bad break for Buffalo.
What if neither team can score? I mean I saw
a picture five minutes ago. Good luck, I mean Kansas
City was clear. Yeah, good luck. And by the way,
Buffalo lost a day.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Now if they have to play the Chiefs next on
just five days rest, Kansas City get now two extra
days with this game pushed back.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Not ideal for Buffalo.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, Well, Mike McCarthy and the Cowboys were ousted from
the playoffs after an embarrassing, humiliating loss to Green Bay.
And although I've defended McCarthy all season long, last night
was simply a debacle in Dallas. But I did say, okay,
he's got to beat Green Bay. I figured they would
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kind of comfortably to get rouded down twenty seven to
nothing at one point first half at home by the
youngest playoff team, but the first year starting quarterback. Okay,
now we have to have a completely different conversation. Opinions
change when results are jarring. By the second drive, analyst
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Greg Olsen was appropriately asking about personnel packages head scratching stuff,
play selection, defensive alignment. I mean, and everybody, can we
have a real conversation now? Can we get uncomfortable? Although
it's like an adult conversation about the evaluation of Dak.
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He's now two and five in the playoffs, and you
watched he and Jordan love. It wasn't even close. Jordan
loves just a better player. Have you never seen those
two quarterbacks ever?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Play?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
You land on planet Earth and you watch the game. Dak,
the eight year veteran, looked rattled and anxious and nervous
and rattled inaccurate. His ball placement was mostly awful. Ceedee
Lamb could feel it, and he had the better role line.
He was at home. He'd been in this situation before.
He had a number one receiver. If Jerry Jones wants
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to pay Dak like Mahomes, and he does, my question
is how good of a job is this. Dak's cap
hit next year is fifty nine and a half million.
If you're paying a slightly better than average quarterback fifty
nine and a half million, you're not a legitimate Super
Bowl team. Now, I got reeled in by this team
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for the first time in two decades, but I mean
the playoffs create clarity and truth. Stafford got Mahomes, Jordan Love,
c J. Stroud, we're all really really good. Why because
they're really really talented, some sooner than we thought. But
let's be honest about the Cowboys this morning. Blown out
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by San Francisco, couldn't compete, blown out by Buffalo, didn't
really compete, blown out by the Young Packers, couldn't really compete,
beaten by that fraud Miami, And the only reason they
beat playoff Detroit was an officiating technicality. You could argue
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they were outplayed. They're just an average team. And I
got fooled, and I usually don't. I've said for decades
on radio and TV, pretty good, Tony Romol's pretty good,
Dak's pretty good, Cowboys pretty good, Jason Garrett, Mike McCart
pretty good. I always kind of just that is my
default answer for the Cowboys. But for about a six
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game stratch, as they beat up on bad teams and
looked really, really good, I thought, Okay, this is the year.
And then they went to Miami gagged it away, and
I came on the air the next day and said, yeah,
my bad. I got reeled in cowboy height. My bad,
but they need to get smarter at head coach. I
mean they weren't prepared. They're lined up in the wrong spots.
I mean Greg Olsen second series, They're just lined up
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in the wrong spots, dumb special teams places. They have
to get smarter at head coach. And they've got to
rework at least rework Dax contract. Give them some money
up front, and they have to. They have to start
drafting quarterbacks every year. They have to Colin calling the opinion.
Opinions change when results are jarring, trailing twenty seven to
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nothing at home, Jordan Love's first playoff appearance. Green Bay's
got kids all over that offense. Green Bay's on the road,
a big underdog that that it can't look like that.
It can't look like that. And it's not just McCarthy
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take out that win over Tampa in the playoffs, that
shaky temptee. Dak's one and five and did not look
like when you watched the top quarterbacks this weekend, he
was not one of them.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
C J.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Stroud significantly better, Jordan Love significantly more nimble and accurate.
Jerry and Dak after I.
Speaker 7 (06:31):
Can't reach back and look at the playoff loss. But
this seems like the most painful because we all had
such great expectation and we had hope for this tape
and thought that we were aligned in a great shape
and great shape, and.
Speaker 8 (06:53):
It didn't happen for us. I sucked, And I know
that was it. As I said, got it going a
little bit late, But none of that matter at that point.
And fault though, that's all I really know how to do.
But yeah, yeah, I mean, it's about winning, and it's
about about winning and winning in the playoffs, and they'll
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get into the last game and winning that as well, and.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, tough.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
It's not just about winning, it's about looking like you
belong at home. Forty eight sixteen twenty seven. Nothing you
were never winning. How about just competing? Stacking up really
bad changes need to be made. Let's talk packers. That's
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more joyful. I have never seen in my life an
in season improvement of a quarterback ever, like Jordan Love
from Week eight at home against the Vikings October twenty ninth.
Can't play, can't play, coaching staff ripping him after the
game two.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
You know he's better than Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I mean, Matt Lafleur has done an unbelievable job twenty
one TD's one pick in the last nine games, completing
over seventy one percent of his throws, athleticism, confidence, accuracy,
That bye week renovation is unbelievable. He literally went from
can't make the cut at the Valero Open to leading
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the Masters by nine strokes on Saturday in about four weeks.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I've never seen anything like it.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Now, this is what great offensive coaches often do with
their young quarterbacks, big leaps. But from that to this,
I'm not exaggerating. He's cheaper than Aaron, He's more athletic
than Aaron. He gets along with his young receivers better,
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there's no drama. And let's just add this, he may
throw it better than Aaron. Now, all people, all kids,
age at different speeds, and Green Bay was very frustrated
with him. I know you're all experts, but you know,
let's not revise history. He was bad, bad. I was
looking at his stats this morning. Before the bye. He
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was completing a t bow level fifty five percent of
his throws in his seventy seven passerating.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
That's what he was after the bye.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
He's like Farve in his prime, sixty eight percent completion
percentage and one hundred and six passer rating, and the
Packers got frustrated. They were critical of him, they were
upset with him, but they were also patient. And this
is what green Bay does. And then you add in
the drafting of these tight ends and these wide receivers. Listen,
this is not just Dallas played poorly. That's not just
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what this is. Green Bay is a problem. I've talked
to general managers for the last three or four years.
No nobody can get a second good corner. Green Bay's
got five receivers I like, and two tight ends, and
they're not paying any of them, which means they can
go buy other pieces. They are a match up problem.
Those young receivers. I mean yesterday Jayden Reid didn't even
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have a catch. He's the most talented one they have
so farv to Rogers to Jordan Loves, I mean, I
I that's like, I mean, that's that's three hole in
ones of the same tournament. Like, that's incredible. Never seen
anything like it. I Mean, we thought Montana to Steve
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Young to Jeff Carcia was pretty good. I mean, this
is incredible. And what I love about this is that
what makes sports so great are not just the upsets,
but it's the player development. Listen to even Matt Lafleur
can't quite wrap his brain around what he saw.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Jordan Love.
Speaker 9 (10:58):
Wow, That's about all I can say.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Bete is Wow.
Speaker 9 (11:05):
What he did and the poise he shows, the command
he shows. It just shows the growth that he's had
from his first start versus case to now. Just so
proud and happy for him.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
He is he is, He's a dude. He is a
real dude.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
When the coach who sees him, teaches him, mentors him
every day at practice is doing that like wow, Like
he surprised everybody. But this is what green Bay does.
It's what hard working kids do. It's what great offensive
coaches who have a sensibility and feel for it have
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proven time and time again. But this is not don't
take this as hey, Dallas just played poorly. Now, green
Bay is a problem. Green Bay is going to be
a problem for that division and that conference and this
league for long time. All Right, Eagles played tonight in Tampa.
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Speaker 1 (12:57):
Six Pro Bowls, twelve years in the NFL. Well, Eagles
play at tonight. Leshan McCoy is joining us. He'll be
on Speak at four thirty eastern. Oh yeah, So, first
of all, let's talk about the Cowboys loss. It's very
easy to just blame, blame, blame, blame. I do think
we have to acknowledge Jordan Love, Matt Lafleur, how they
created a run game early. Some of this is nobody's
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got two and three good corners. I think you're just
a matchup. I don't think Dallas had the personnel.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
They matched up very very well.
Speaker 11 (13:28):
Yeah, Jordan Love played phenomenal and then he played really
really well, and he still could have played a lot better, right,
just from watching him, even some of his pass he
threw probably better on the timing. But they got Green
Bay has another superstar quarterback. And then you talk about
the matchups. I think on the defense number twenty five
voubs in the slot, he played really really well, right, Alexander,
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you know what type of player he is.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
They just had his team dowed up, right.
Speaker 11 (13:53):
I think, you know, the Cowboys are just so talented,
but I feel like when the big moments, they don't
give you what you thought you were going to get.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
How did you view the Cowboys when you were an Eagle?
How did you look at them?
Speaker 7 (14:06):
Uh?
Speaker 11 (14:06):
Well, back then they had Tony Romo, who's was really
really good.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
The thing with them was like, hey, we're going to.
Speaker 11 (14:12):
Just we get a couple of stops on defense because
their defense can't stop our offense.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
Right.
Speaker 11 (14:16):
It was that type of game. But I think now,
they're way more talented. If you look at this the
Cowboys roster in general, I mean, you can see the
All Pro list. There's so many for first team, the
second team for All pros on that roster because they're
that good.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
And to see it lost like that, it's terrible.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Twenty seven to nothing at one point, that's embarrassing. You're
not going to move off Dak. You know you're not
going to move off to You don't just leave a
quarterback who's capable.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
But could I make an argument?
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I watched the Rams offense, I watched Green Bays, I
watch Kansas City and it's multiple and clever in motion,
and then I watched Dallas and I'm like, is it
time to make a move at head coach?
Speaker 11 (14:53):
I mean, honestly, I like McCarthy. I think he's done
a great job with Dak Prescott. Once he decided to
take over the officeive coordinator row, I want to see
what that looked like. And he was right. He did
a phenomenal job. I've never seen Dak look so elite
in the regular season like he did since Mike McCarthy.
And even to look at the beginning of the year,
it was a lot more running, a lot more conservative offense.
And as Dak got better and more comfortable, right, and
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they got confidence with each other, the offense.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Grew a little. I like Mike.
Speaker 11 (15:18):
Yeah, I he's been winning. He's been a cowboy. I
think the last coach was Garrett Yeah, and he wasn't
really all winner. But you can win with this team.
I just think that when it's when the lights are bright,
you gotta deliver. And their quarterback. That's not what he
does best. Regular season, He's gonna give you some wins.
Regular season, you wanna talk about man, his kid's this,
He's that in the third until his primetime TV on
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the playoffs. You gotta have a winning record through the
whole season, but in January it's all that matters. And
you look at his January record, it is not good.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Well, you've been critical of Jalen Hurts as Philadelphia's offense
has regressed badly. Yeah, we'll watch him tonight. Does he
get some of the hit too, Well.
Speaker 11 (16:00):
I wouldn't give him the same type of criticism I
will give Dak. I mean Jalen, he's still a young quarterback, right,
and I think if you really watch Jalen and wash
his tape. Each year he gets better and better and better.
Now this year he's having a bad year. But the
team's having a bad year. Defense. They can't stop anybody.
They're worst. They're the worst team in third downs, right,
but it's the best down in football. Is conferred on
third downs to be a good team, and we're not.
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We're not playing fishing football nowhere on the Eagles for
office and defense. So as much as we want to
give jaalen Hurst to blame, which he deserves a lot
of that, but gotta get their whole team, we're not
playing well at all. Even on the coaches. I don't
think this year the coaches had a really good job
with the Eagles lost great coordinators and that's that's another
thing that happens.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
When you have a success, you lose all your coordinator.
That's what happens.
Speaker 11 (16:41):
They get new jobs, right, But I think in the
future will be better. I want to see how this
game goes tonight. The Bucks are not not really a
good team.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
But like saying Jay Brown, so he scrubbed his social
media accounts, can you give us clarity on what happened?
What's going on is yet I'll throw my theory at
you you telling me if I'm fullwing you, is that
they looked at the game plan.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Have I told you this?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
So they look at the game plan and the game
plan for Tampa and they came up with it Tuesday
was We're going to pass the ball fifteen times.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
We're going to run this ball. It's a whole game. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
And AJ Brown after one practice said after the install
said come on, man, I didn't get a touchdown in
December and said we're not going to go and the
offensive game plan the install is we're going to run
this ball forty eight times.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
And he heard he's ticked off. Okay, am I wrong?
But I mean, I don't know what the situation is.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I'll just say this, when you scrub your social it's
not an ankle twist.
Speaker 11 (17:37):
Yeah, I mean, but I guess the new thing nowadays
all the players are doing that, right, if they're looking
for contract, they scrubbled.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
It page of the team.
Speaker 11 (17:45):
But I think what ja AAJ Brown is? He's like
every other superstar wide receiver. I always say this, name
me a receiver. It was just okay, we're not getting
the ball, Okay, we're not having a productive day. I've
never played one like that, right, And I won't get
it to names, but they are like that. They all
are even now. They want the ball, That's what That's
what Number one see was. They always are like that, right.
So I'm not sure if it's the the scrubbing of
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the page for him, but I think I think he
is hurt, right. I think he's one of the guys
he placed to all type of injuries, a super tough
and physical.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Player, you know.
Speaker 11 (18:14):
But I do think the chemistry with the Eagles man
as you see, like the smiles and interviews from last
year to this year, is not that.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
It's a little tense.
Speaker 11 (18:22):
It's a little tense and there's no answer to why
we're playing so bad.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
What happens. I think it's unlikely what happens if they
get dragged tonight. I'm not talking what if it is
thirty three because the defense can't stop anybody. Baker gets hot, Yeah,
thirty three sixteen. There are a lot of rumors Nick
Cirianni's in trouble. Would you make a move Philly makes moves?
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, yes, we do.
Speaker 11 (18:49):
I guess I'm the wrong guy because I like Nick Sirianni.
I think he's a hell of a coach. None wrong
with that, right, and I the only thing is you
are playing in Philadelphia, right and if you don't have
that thick skin, you will not last. You see how
Ben Simmons, he phys it out, just n't do it.
And I think that the fans and the media standard, that's.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
What they are.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Yo.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
We're not going to Super Bowl.
Speaker 11 (19:09):
Yo, We're not going to playoffs. We're not winning, and
it starts raising questions and it's a loud city, it is,
so I'm not if.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
They don't win.
Speaker 11 (19:17):
I'm not surprised if people will comfort Nickson on his job.
I think he should remain a coach for our team
because only that he didn't do well to share his
staff and do well. But are the players in our
system and our team? They did not play well, and
the last time I checked, you need the players who
go out there and play. Coaches can only just push
you in a position to make plays. So overall we're
just not playing good.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I know we sound crazy on Monday talking about firing coaches,
but it is different. If you're Dallas and you're a
touchdown favorite, you have to contextualize it. In Green Bay's
the youngest playoff team six seventy four Bills and they
lead twenty seven to nothing. Okay, that's different. We have
to have a grown up conversation. So I think if
Philadelphia goes and gets dragged again, if they lose in overtime,
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they play well, there's a bad officiating.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
That's different.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
And then getting smoked and Baker Mayfield throws for three forty,
then we have to have a conversation.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Especially if Baker kills them. I mean, I would agree
with it.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I like Baker, but I'm just saying that defense it
is possible. I've watched Phillies, it is possible. But Tampa
controls the lion of scrimmage.
Speaker 11 (20:17):
Now that listen, everything you're saying is true. I hope,
I hope you wrong. But everything you're saying is factual
because we all year blow like that. We let the
freaking struggling Giants blow us out. We let the Cardinals,
who's trying to get the draft.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Pick beat it. So you got a point.
Speaker 11 (20:30):
I just think with the Dallas team, I think they
were playing a lot better right through the season. Work
assistant and also I feel like at home, there's not
another team that has the best advantage playing at home
than the Cowboys. That's all they do was win at home.
Now only they win at home, they blow people out
at home. So for them to lose like that, I
guess that that conversation about so the coach get fire,
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so the players get moved.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I get that it's from Philadelphia. I mean, we're not
good this year.
Speaker 11 (20:56):
Honestly, we're not the good this year, right, or at
least haven't been good lately. And I look at the Bucks,
They're not really a good team.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Like that.
Speaker 11 (21:02):
That's some talent, right, Mike dvmans and some guys, some defense.
It would be a good game. But to get dragged,
if we get dragged, yeah, I think that question is
gonna be Philadelphia, Like, what's gonna happen?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
All right?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Two hours from now, the Bills in eighteen degrees host
the Steelers. We have some video of you as a
Bill in a cold weather game against Indy. You tell me,
as an offensive skill player, did you like did you
like cold weather?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Did you like snow? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:27):
What?
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I love it? I love the cold weather. I love
the snow.
Speaker 11 (21:30):
It separates the men from the boys. When it's this cold,
you don't want to be out. Here's hitting people, running
your feet hurt, you know, your big toe hurts.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Man serious that all these things really happen.
Speaker 11 (21:40):
But I think if you have that mentality, in that
mindset that no matter, nothing will hold you back, you know,
that's what makes the men from the boys. I mean,
this game right here, it was fun because it's a
running back. People don't understand this, but imagine if everyone
in the field is runing to hit you at one
hundred percent. Now on the snow, it's reduced to like
sixty five percent, right, so is not as much. And
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then when they slam you on the ground, it's off,
it's pillows, it's soft. So I love the snow games.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Okay, so Tua did not play well, No, he did not.
And my take is, okay, Hawaii High School, Bama, Miami.
We don't think he's going to be Big Ben in
the snow. Can we just say you don't move off
him if the game's at home. He's still a very
good quarterback in warm weather. But there are players that
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need certain conditions and I've just we just have to
have this conversation. Two is not going to go to
Baltimore in nine degrees in winter. Kansas City Cincinnati, So
home field regular season becomes imperative. Not for everybody, yeah right,
Like you know this shady for a lot of teams.
A veteran team in the NBA playoffs, right, they don't
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need home court. Warriors could go to Boston the West.
But for Memphis, yeah, they got to be at home.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Point.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
And I look at two and I think, Okay, he's
just going to be a player. Gotta be a home
playoff game. He's not going to nine degrees. Is that
a realistic way to look at it?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
I agree with that.
Speaker 11 (23:05):
The only thing that scares me about commands to tour
for the long haul because I do think he's a
good quarterback.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I think he's found a home with Miami.
Speaker 11 (23:12):
This just because the head coach, soy God, you see
the instant impact, right, getting each other, feel like you're
getting some wide.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Receivers, they're making plays.
Speaker 11 (23:19):
The only excers me about Two is I don't look
at I don't look at the Miami Dolphins as a
team that's gonna be the favorite in the West. Right,
So you look at the Bills, there always gonna be
a top team. The Chiefs probably gonna be the one.
Some young guys Ravens, they're always gonna have the advantage
as far as the playoffs. So now I'm thinking, okay,
well that means Miami that made the playoffs, but they
got go on the road, and you watch tour on
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the road. He didn't want he like he's belonging there.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
It's so cold. I need to get out of here.
He could throw fire routes. So I'm thinking, like for
the future.
Speaker 11 (23:50):
If you click, if you think this team is gonna
be a playoff team, but you don't think they're gonna
better than the Bills, you have to ring.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
That's the question you gotta ask.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I think it is there are people in sports that
are conditionally very good.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Yeah, there are.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
There are some conditions, and I like to and McDaniel.
I just think you have to know going in, Hey,
our regular season is really important. Our seating is gonna matter.
For two, I can still draft a quarterback in the
third round. I don't have to.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I don't have to move up and sell the farm
to get a first round quarter back.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, because I think, by the way, next September it'll
be ninety four in Miami.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
They'll be real good. Yeah, and you're not paying him anything.
But he got to win the big ones. For me.
Speaker 11 (24:28):
Also, I'm tired of seeing, you know, a team that's
so talented, like the Dolphins. You know how hard it
is to get a team that good, that that talented,
that fits the scheme right. You find a lot of talent,
but sometimes the talent don't really go together with the
scheme what the coach wants to do. They have that there,
so what's the question why that can't be none of
the top teams?
Speaker 3 (24:46):
What is it? Then you take it to the row
in the playoffs?
Speaker 11 (24:49):
You they don't like even belong on the same physis
the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I know, if Kansas City was good in the red zone,
it had been forty two or seven, and.
Speaker 11 (24:56):
They haven't even been good lately. Right, the Chiefs are
still kind to find their way. So if you struggling
against a team that's trying to find their way, who
are you?
Speaker 3 (25:03):
What's your identity?
Speaker 11 (25:04):
That's the only thing about two I like to I
think the towns of quarterbacks super smart, you know, great accuracy, smart,
but I need to see when it matters.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
I get it all right. Finally, Detroit Lions, Detroit the career,
they were the Campbell I like it.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
So what do you that was a great game, by
the way game, I think that it was a Both
quarterbacks were slinging it is this a team that could
beat the Niners because they beat the Niners?
Speaker 11 (25:39):
You know what I was saying about this team, that
old line they can they can beat anybody, right, IM
favorite the Niners. But I was watching tape on Denver
and on Denver Detroit versus who the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
On the road, and I'm not yo.
Speaker 11 (25:54):
They they battled their tails off against against Dallas on
the road.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Which teams who the Dallas on the road? They get
blown out?
Speaker 11 (26:01):
And I watched away the randomoll I watched away there
on third downs o golf play. I watched how that
defense made plays and they need to make them. So
they got a good chance to beat anybody. It's just
a matter of getting that running game going. If they
don't mad the running game going, they can be in trouble.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Hey, you only played in Kansas City for what a year?
Andy Reid snow and you know it's even though you
were only there a year. The thing I always respect
about him the Hunt family. Brett Veach read is amazing.
So one of the things that I think we forget
about this league?
Speaker 7 (26:33):
Is you know?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I asked Jimmy Johnson one time, I said, most important
thing in the draft. He goes, you gotta draft some
moret players. Come on, they can't learn the playbook. Get
to waste my time. I just think when New England
had the dynasty, they weren't the most talented team, but
they were so functional. And when I watched Kansas City
to play like that in that game, and I'm like, no,
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I'm not surprised because smart people figure it out.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
When you were there for a year, did you take
some of that away? Just the way the operation works.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Now?
Speaker 11 (27:03):
Remember I played with Andy and in Philadelphia, Oh you play.
You know Andy and Breach they draft are the best
top players. So I was drafted with Andy reed first
in Philadelphia. So when I went to Kansas City, it.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Was the same thing.
Speaker 11 (27:13):
He runs the same type of franchise. Right, it's smart players, right,
you're not gonna beat yourself.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
So Kansas City felt like Philly, oh Man, yeah town
the same talent.
Speaker 11 (27:23):
I mean, thinking about it, we had Jashaun Jackson and
as wide receiver, he had Tyree Hill as wide receiver.
Like everything's the same. That's how he drafts. He drafts
speedy dafts, smart players. And the thing about Andy I
love is that he lets everybody be themself. Wants you
to be comfortable. If you watch the way that Patrick
Mahomes played in college in Texas Tech, he takes a
little bit of that right and he puts it to
his own style with Andyy. Andy got some coaching coaches
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up a little bit. But also, hey, I want some
of that Texas Tech player.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Be who you are. That's what Michael bicky, that's what
got you here.
Speaker 11 (27:52):
So when you watch Andy Reed and them young players,
I was telling the guys on speak that yet are
struggling right now because they are young. They're young as
to do so much right now. And they're and the
head guy in the receiver room or the office room
is Kelsey. He's not really playing that. Kelsey bought that
we know. So it makes the young guys got to
step up. But when they click, when they get it over,
takes a while. It takes a while a rookie.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Is it a complicated system?
Speaker 11 (28:17):
Yeah, any like smart players right, and he won't dumb
it down. He might double that for the quarterbacks because
they're the main piece. But as far as the running
backs and receivers old, you gotta get it. You got
to understand it and know it. If not, you will
not play. So you see, sometimes like if miscommunication with
maybe Patrick Mahomes a receiver, or he's thinking pasting helmet,
you should shit it down with his zone there it's
a guyter and the Whites keeps going like small things
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like that.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
That's just a matter of the experience part.
Speaker 11 (28:42):
But once they get it over there, they gonna be
the same thing we've seen last year because that's when
any he runs, he runs a smart system. And the
piece that he needs to be really really good he
has in Travis Kelsey he has and Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Yeah, could see anybody always good. We always have a
good time.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
No, no, this is the herd Line news.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Shady likes a good time. You know, Matt Stafford did
not have a good time yesterday.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
How about his hand got ripped up.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
He was playing, had an amazing game, but he got
so bad. I felt bad for Stafford.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
Man.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
He had a great.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah, this kid was tremendous, tough twenty four to twenty
three loss.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
And you know Stafford spoke about how impressed he was
with his team this season after the l I'm so.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Proud of this team.
Speaker 12 (29:34):
All the guys that you know, worked their tail off
to get us to this point. Said it earlier in
the week. Nobody gave us a chance to even be
sniffing where we are right now, and uh, you know,
gave gave a really good football team a run for
the money. Didn't get it done, but uh, I'm proud
of the guys, proud of their efforts, from coaching, staff, players,
everybody involved in it. It was Uh, it was a
fun year, a hell of a year and something to
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be proud of.
Speaker 7 (29:57):
You know.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
It's interesting. So I'm watching Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald is
one of those guys. He still gets triple team regularly.
Like twice in the game they single blocked him and
he blew off a play. Is that people are speculating
that Aaron Donald's leaving. The Rams need to go buy
an edge rusher because they have some cap space now,
some because they're so young. If they can go by
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remember how Aaron Donald was so great. He's always been great,
but when they got von Miller, it's hard to double him.
There were multiple shots during this game of Donald being
triple team at this age, he is no other player
in the league. You can't triple block Miles Garrett. He
is triple teamed on multiple snaps in games.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Yeah, it is tough.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
I can't see anything happening with Donald. Maybe a restructure
of his deal. The real interesting one is Cooper Cupp Colin.
I'm not saying he lost his deep, but the injuries
are catching up.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
There's no question he's over thirty and Pooka, except Pooka
looks like a number one. I think we can all agree.
It's not like a few games season he was dominant.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
If Cooper doesn't want to a structure, do you say, hey, Carolina,
you guys know, I think I think you need a
receiver for Bryce.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
You on give us some I think they want to
retain Cooper. Yeah, obviously it's because it's He and.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Puka are both kind of physically hard to bring down players.
So in mcveigh's offense, when they get them ball out quickly,
those guys after the catch, they're just hard to bring
down for smaller corners. So I think what's going to
happen is I mean, I think Aaron Donald and Cooper
Cup there are still games in which they're elite players game,
I don't think. And I also think they're both great leaders.
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They're both the great locker room guys. They've got cap
space they have to go by, and they have to
go buy an edge rusher, they need another back, another
left tackle, a defensive end.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Hit on a couple more draft picks, and they're right there.
Remember this team, I believe they exceeded their Vegas win
total by like five games. One of the most impressive
in the league. I think they probably has one more
good run in this.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Stafford with oh, I think so, I absolutely. And by
the way, Carson Wentz is strangely a perfect background. I mean,
they don't pay him any you know, he played against
the Niners y final game.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
By the way, it looks like one report says high
be the tight end who.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Took that grouse at Tyler Higbee.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
He sorry, like.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Looks like it might have been an acl there that
was rough on television.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Listen if the Rams had somehow won that game, I
think you just unload the account betting against them because
they were so beat up, Kyroen got hurt.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Staff though they were, they they don't have a ton
of elite deap depth isn't there.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
But they you know, they've got their one, two, three, four, five,
six draft picks, some compensation picks, so they'll be fine.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Next up is a Billsteelers game.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
It was postponed from Sunday to today. It tip kicks
off and I think a little less than two hours.
I don't know, Colin. I thought that the Bills organization
was asking fans to come to the stadium to help
shovel the snow, and they were offered twenty dollars an hour.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (32:54):
A billion dollar organization offering twenty bucks an hour? Yeah,
but that's what you pay a babysitter out here in
La Buffalo. And whether you're you're shoveling snow, will you
go out there twenty bucks?
Speaker 4 (33:05):
We got one hundred dollars an hour.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Well, it's a it's a wings and beer town. That's
twenty bucks is twenty bucks?
Speaker 4 (33:13):
I mean, I think that's a little distance thing.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
You're a billion dollar organization, let's I mean, they're come on,
step it up, Buffalo, Come on, that is terrible.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
You know what, a lot of people in Buffalo take
enormous pride being part of this organization. You could have
gotten some of these people to do it for five
bucks an hour. They love their team, they love helping
their player. This is my wife used to have to
go to Buffalo. She always says, nicest people in America.
So they're not sitting there arguing over hourly wages.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
They believe.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I mean, I saw who said this. Oh, Dan Campbell
said this, he goes our fans helped us win.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Oh that, there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 7 (33:50):
Dell. No.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
So I mean to me, Buffalo, this team, this fan
base is connected uniquely to this organization.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
You go out there for three four hours, you're sitting there.
You know, I can't go out on the town. What
else is there to do? You're sitting around like I'm
a young guy.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I can go make one hundred and twenty bucks, be
with my buddies, have a cold one, and shovel snow.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
All right, you're all caught up in the hourly ways.
You shovel it so for hours on end.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
It's like pay these guys, come on, they're your fans. Anyways.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Final story is the Eagles and they're slump. Shady McCoy
just it was talking about it. Man, they lost five
of six. I'm starting to get bad vibes about them tonight.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
I don't I don't know. I'm on the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
I bet them. I don't understand.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
I got two and a half.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
It's a three.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
You could you can probably get it to.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
A better players Philadelphia.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
It's more than that, you know that.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I mean we were betting, didn't you say it?
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Bet on the better quarterback and coach and like you
know Cowboys, we thought they had the better coaching quarterback.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Well, I bet Green Bay to cover, right. I thought
it was gonna be a very close game.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Starting to not feel great about the Eagles. I'm not
buying out of my position. I'm with you. I think
this is a DeAndre Swift over.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
I think Kenneth Gainwell will do some damage here. I
think they're gonna run forty five times tonight. You know
That's what I think it's gonna be Aus Austin Scott
dust him all.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
They're just I would just if you look at this matchup,
I would just say, guys, up front, we're running the
ball forty five times. Offensive lineman would always prefer to
run block than pass block. Weather's not going to be
a factor. We're gonna beat them up at the line
of scrimmage. Now Baker and these receivers, you don't want
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to be playing from behind because Baker on play.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Action with these receivers could be a very effective quarterback.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Now the Eagles, I don't think they'll get caught looking ahead,
but the re they'd play the Lions if they if
they win this game.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Oh, I like the Lions over the winner of this game.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
That being said, I think it was a season opener
last year. Eagles Lions early in the season and the
Eagles were up like a billion before they let the
Lions back in the game.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
That's not a great matchup for Detroit.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
I will say this Eagles offense should be able to
control the pace. I don't think they can stop you know,
Amara Saint Brown, those guys. I thought, I want to
see Eagle I want to see Eagles lines I don't
want to see.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
I love Detroit and I think that's a great matchup
for Detroit.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Can Detroit meets him?
Speaker 1 (36:09):
I thought I thought the Rams were a tough matchup. Yeah,
for the Lions, just because of Pooka. I just thought
the ability to move the ball on the back end,
and they did in the second half. They just couldn't
get in the end zone. I don't think Philadelphia is
a tough matchup.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Philadelphia red zone offense was awesome Earlier this season.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
By the way, Rams had over four hundred yards offensee
point seven yards per play.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
They did whatever they wanted again the Lions.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
No, I mean it was it comes down to that
one of those red zone passes is caught.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Listen, if they weren't that flag on the interference on Pooka,
they're driving for the game.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
When you feel line fans, you gotta be honest. Yeah,
no late hit call on Stafford in twenty twenty three.
I mean, Ryan, you were all watching. I was surprised that's.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
A first and goal on once they thought that flay Yeah,
I mean in that play. I have seen pushes on
quarterbacks who were out of a play. A push gets
flag that was helmet to helmet and then they stepped
on him.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
I'm like, guys, that is that is a bad miss.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
I can live with the no p I call on
Puka because people are grabbing the whole game, but quarterbacks
getting head to head that's called every that's overcall.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
You do you not remember MVS against the Packers, They
tackle him in the open field.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
No flag. I mean you, you got all the flags
in these high leverage moments.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Detroit won. That was a miss, bad miss. J McK
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Speaker 2 (37:36):
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Speaker 3 (37:41):
Greg Olsen stopped by today.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
He was the analyst uh Kevin Burkhardt, the play by
play guy on the Fox broadcast the Cowboys getting drubbed
by Green Bay. Greg Earlier on any potential changes with
McCarthy or Dak going forward, It's hard for me.
Speaker 13 (37:59):
To sit here and say they need to revamp their
offense when they just led the league in scoring. Right,
They led the league in scoring two of the last
three years. Mike McCarthy, this is the best Dak Prescott
has ever played. They were eight no at home and
they scored thirty seven points a game at home. Now,
I know everyone out there saying it doesn't matter. All
that matters is in the playoffs, and that's fair, and
I think at a place like Dallas, that comes with
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the territory. And at the end of the day, the
NFL is about scoring.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
It's about offense.
Speaker 13 (38:25):
It's an offensive driven quarterback driven league, and Dak Prescott
played as well as any quarterback in the league from
an entire season standpoint.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
How about this that we view the Dallas Cowboys if
Dak and McCarthy remain as sort of like a good
college football program, like a Wisconsin. Nobody considers them a
serious national championship contender. But they can win eight games
in a bowl game and we just have to. And
that's nothing against Wisconsin, just considering the state and the
players available at the high school level in your vicinity,
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is that certain college football programs were like eight wins
in a bowl win would be a great season. And
like Dallas, if you're gonna keep Dak and McCarthy, is
you you have a good season, you can get to
the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
But we can't.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
We can't seriously consider them up. Come on, we can't
consider them a super bowl team. Wisconsin seems a little harsh.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
Aren't they more like a pack twelve soft team that
wins a lot of games and then they step up
in class against the Niners or whoever and they get smoked.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Isn't that a like this?
Speaker 4 (39:29):
They won twelve games the last three years, twelve or
more games the last three years.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Well, the division's got two stinker roonies in it.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Well, the Giants made the playoffs last year and one
a game.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
I mean, yeah, but they're bad now.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Just went to the super Bowl. Like that's not I
feel like we're over reacting a little bit to the loss.
I still think McCarthy's toasted. I don't want to see
dan Quinn back there with the defense. Dan Quinn's hunting
for head coaching jobs every offseason. He got his pants
pulled down by the Packers, and the first time started
quarterback in the playoffs, like that was an awful performance.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Defense awful.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Yeah, he's not a real viable candidate, right, I.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
Mean, I think he's going to Seattle. That would be
my guess, right.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
I don't get that move. That's just a lateral move.
Keep Pete, it's the same ideology. I don't get it.
It's a younger Pete.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
That's not They got to solve their quarterback and they
got to get more functional offensively.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
That's how I view it. That one I don't get.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
I mean, I get all these rumors like Belichick, Atlantic
kind of get it, Hardball, Washington are Chargers, I get it.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Dan Quinn Seattle what's the point.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
J It's the defensive coordinators like Jim Schwartz got torched
and Raheem Morris, who had a great year with the Rams.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
They were not ready to play.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
I mean talking about he got run over in the
first half, like they.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Could not stop to well, some of this is just
a reality of quarterbacks are great, you're not stopping him.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
This is an offensive league. I mean you've been saying this.
You need an offensive head coach.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
All right, Hey, Mike Clark, Clark screwed up. How much
time do I have here? We got oh, we got
two more minutes, two and a half more minutes. Okay, yeah,
I mean I there's realities. There are certain realities in
this league that we have. Eleven of the fourteen playoff
teams have offensive coaches. The defensive masterminds. Dan Quinn got worked,
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Jim Schwartz got worked. Raheem Morris had a great year
first half, got work. If you got the right quarterback
and an offensive coach, it's a huge advantage. You can
win with a defensive coach Harbaugh, mc dermott and Houston,
but the quarterback has to be really special. It doesn't
feel like an offensive coach has to have a really
special quarterback.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Good can win you a lot of games.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
So I just think the I think the world we
live in now, we just that doesn't mean you can't
win with a defensive coach. But the quarterback's got to
be Lamar Josh or what appears to be a star
in C. J.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Stroud.
Speaker 7 (41:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
And by the way, if you get forced to go
to a backup, you do not want a defensive coach.
Oh no, we saw multiple offensive coaches go to third
and fourth quarterbacks and get into the playoffs, survive for.
Speaker 5 (41:57):
And again you don't want to overreap the Collins. I
look at this draft and I see, like I had
my mock draft for Fox last week. I had the
first seven guys were offensive players. I think you have
to look offense first in the draft. In free agency. Yeah,
I mean, I'm sorry, Like I just you know, my Jets,
we're gonna look at this this Sauce Gardner. I was
the first one to push this out there. Back you
were see what you could get. We need real offensive
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talent with the Jets, like that's the only way they're
getting back to the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Just need off Well, I mean, I'll say this.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
If they hit on a left tackle, he won't be
great as a rookie. He'll be good, serviceable. The Jets
have issues for any quarterback, but a forty year old quarterback.
I mean, I watched Jordan Love yesterday. He looked better
than Aaron the year before in Green Bay, way more athletic.
So it's like, you gotta be honest if you're a
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Jets fan. Defensive coach Nat Hackett, one receiver, cross your fingers,
your left tackle rookie can play. He's not gonna be
a pro bowler. Pooka was a fifth round pick for
the Rams. The Packers hit on all these wide receivers
we never heard of. These guys are starting to hit.
It's an offensive league. Now you've got to go push offense. Yeah,
well what about Demico Ryans? Well what if they go
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get smoke next weekend?
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (43:09):
I mean again again they things have gone well. Now
we're talking NFL football next weekend.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
See you tomorrow.
Speaker 14 (43:23):
Well, we'll see you right now, Fred rug and Rodney
Pee And now we're sprint today at a five seventy
LA sports. Rodney, how are you?
Speaker 6 (43:30):
I'm good. I'm just trying to figure out what this
past weekend was for Colin. If it wasn't the NFL football,
what wasn't Because we're going to get into real NFL
football next weekend.
Speaker 14 (43:39):
All right, So last weekend was not NFL football.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
I guess.
Speaker 14 (43:42):
I guess this past weekend wasn't great games though, Well,
I'll tell you one. One was a great game. One
was a great game. I was surprised the others were
blowouts the way they were.
Speaker 6 (43:54):
Yeah, a little bit, a little bit, but boy, you know,
how about all the people that said, including Colin, let's
move off of Jordan Love you know, early early in
the season.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
The kid is a star, and they got their guys.
Speaker 6 (44:07):
The reason why they moved off Aaron Rodgers like they did,
because they knew what they had. But man, yeah, a
tough one on the Rams though, well we got to
talk about that first. You got to give him all
the credit in the world. They went and they fought,
they fell behind early, could never make up the difference.
I mean, that's really the ball game. But just gutsy
incredible performance by Matthew Stafford, his hand gushing blood, got
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hit in the head, thought he might have had a concussion.
Speaker 14 (44:34):
He's tough. You cannot deny that. If you don't like
him or you don't like his wife, you can't take
away the fact he is one tough guy and he
kept him in that game all the way and Lions
got that early league. Well, we'll talk about him. We'll
talk about it. When we got on the air Lakers
in Utah the other night. That wasn't good. That wasn't
good at all. I'd been good for a while there, Freddie, Yeah,
(44:57):
that was not good. We're going to hit that and
just do it for an hour today, So let's get ready.
Two minutes from now. Fred Rogan Rodney Pete on a
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
All right, here we go our three, A lot of energy.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Shady McCoy's joining us Eagles.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I like Philly tonight, and they've been a bit of
a tire fire for about a month and a half
off man, maybe longer than that, so I like him tonight.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Shady McCoy is gonna be joining us.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Shaymac. What a crazy, crazy weekend. We're waiting for the
Steelers Bills game that starts in about two.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Hours, two and a half hours. That'll give us some
clarity on the AFC picture. Green Bay.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Listen, Cowboys lost, coach probably toasted.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
If the Eagles lose, I think you and I agree,
Siriani could be in some trouble. We haven't brought this
team up, but Buffalo Bill's made a great run. If
they lose that home to Pittsburgh, I mean, do you
have to ask questions about McDermott. They will have slips
down the hill three straight years in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
This weather could be a real bad break for Buffalo.
What if neither team can score? I mean I saw
a picture five minutes ago. Good luck, I mean Kansas
City was clear. Yeah, good luck. And by the way,
Buffalo lost a day.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Now if they have to play the Chiefs next on
just five days rest, Kansas City get now two extra
days with this game pushed back.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Not ideal for Buffalo.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, Well, Mike McCarthy and the Cowboys were ousted from
the playoffs after an embarrassing, humiliating loss to Green Bay.
And although I've defended McCarthy all season long, last night
was simply a debacle in Dallas. But I did say, okay,
he's got to beat Green Bay. I figured they would
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kind of comfortably to get rouded down twenty seven to
nothing at one point first half at home by the
youngest playoff team, but the first year starting quarterback. Okay,
now we have to have a completely different conversation. Opinions
change when results are jarring. By the second drive, analyst
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Greg Olsen was appropriately asking about personnel packages head scratching stuff,
play selection, defensive alignment. I mean, and everybody, can we
have a real conversation now? Can we get uncomfortable? Although
it's like an adult conversation about the evaluation of Dak.
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He's now two and five in the playoffs, and you
watched he and Jordan love. It wasn't even close. Jordan
loves just a better player. Have you never seen those
two quarterbacks ever?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Play?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
You land on planet Earth and you watch the game. Dak,
the eight year veteran, looked rattled and anxious and nervous
and rattled inaccurate. His ball placement was mostly awful. Ceedee
Lamb could feel it, and he had the better role line.
He was at home. He'd been in this situation before.
He had a number one receiver. If Jerry Jones wants
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to pay Dak like Mahomes, and he does, my question
is how good of a job is this. Dak's cap
hit next year is fifty nine and a half million.
If you're paying a slightly better than average quarterback fifty
nine and a half million, you're not a legitimate Super
Bowl team. Now, I got reeled in by this team
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for the first time in two decades, but I mean
the playoffs create clarity and truth. Stafford got Mahomes, Jordan Love,
c J. Stroud, we're all really really good. Why because
they're really really talented, some sooner than we thought. But
let's be honest about the Cowboys this morning. Blown out
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by San Francisco, couldn't compete, blown out by Buffalo, didn't
really compete, blown out by the Young Packers, couldn't really compete,
beaten by that fraud Miami, And the only reason they
beat playoff Detroit was an officiating technicality. You could argue
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they were outplayed. They're just an average team. And I
got fooled, and I usually don't. I've said for decades
on radio and TV, pretty good, Tony Romol's pretty good,
Dak's pretty good, Cowboys pretty good, Jason Garrett, Mike McCart
pretty good. I always kind of just that is my
default answer for the Cowboys. But for about a six
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game stratch, as they beat up on bad teams and
looked really, really good, I thought, Okay, this is the year.
And then they went to Miami gagged it away, and
I came on the air the next day and said, yeah,
my bad. I got reeled in cowboy height. My bad,
but they need to get smarter at head coach. I
mean they weren't prepared. They're lined up in the wrong spots.
I mean Greg Olsen second series, They're just lined up
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in the wrong spots, dumb special teams places. They have
to get smarter at head coach. And they've got to
rework at least rework Dax contract. Give them some money
up front, and they have to. They have to start
drafting quarterbacks every year. They have to Colin calling the opinion.
Opinions change when results are jarring, trailing twenty seven to
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nothing at home, Jordan Love's first playoff appearance. Green Bay's
got kids all over that offense. Green Bay's on the road,
a big underdog that that it can't look like that.
It can't look like that. And it's not just McCarthy
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take out that win over Tampa in the playoffs, that
shaky temptee. Dak's one and five and did not look
like when you watched the top quarterbacks this weekend, he
was not one of them.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
C J.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Stroud significantly better, Jordan Love significantly more nimble and accurate.
Jerry and Dak after I.
Speaker 7 (06:31):
Can't reach back and look at the playoff loss. But
this seems like the most painful because we all had
such great expectation and we had hope for this tape
and thought that we were aligned in a great shape
and great shape, and.
Speaker 8 (06:53):
It didn't happen for us. I sucked, And I know
that was it. As I said, got it going a
little bit late, But none of that matter at that point.
And fault though, that's all I really know how to do.
But yeah, yeah, I mean, it's about winning, and it's
about about winning and winning in the playoffs, and they'll
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get into the last game and winning that as well, and.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, tough.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
It's not just about winning, it's about looking like you
belong at home. Forty eight sixteen twenty seven. Nothing you
were never winning. How about just competing? Stacking up really
bad changes need to be made. Let's talk packers. That's
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more joyful. I have never seen in my life an
in season improvement of a quarterback ever, like Jordan Love
from Week eight at home against the Vikings October twenty ninth.
Can't play, can't play, coaching staff ripping him after the
game two.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
You know he's better than Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I mean, Matt Lafleur has done an unbelievable job twenty
one TD's one pick in the last nine games, completing
over seventy one percent of his throws, athleticism, confidence, accuracy,
That bye week renovation is unbelievable. He literally went from
can't make the cut at the Valero Open to leading
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the Masters by nine strokes on Saturday in about four weeks.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I've never seen anything like it.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Now, this is what great offensive coaches often do with
their young quarterbacks, big leaps. But from that to this,
I'm not exaggerating. He's cheaper than Aaron, He's more athletic
than Aaron. He gets along with his young receivers better,
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there's no drama. And let's just add this, he may
throw it better than Aaron. Now, all people, all kids,
age at different speeds, and Green Bay was very frustrated
with him. I know you're all experts, but you know,
let's not revise history. He was bad, bad. I was
looking at his stats this morning. Before the bye. He
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was completing a t bow level fifty five percent of
his throws in his seventy seven passerating.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
That's what he was after the bye.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
He's like Farve in his prime, sixty eight percent completion
percentage and one hundred and six passer rating, and the
Packers got frustrated. They were critical of him, they were
upset with him, but they were also patient. And this
is what green Bay does. And then you add in
the drafting of these tight ends and these wide receivers. Listen,
this is not just Dallas played poorly. That's not just
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what this is. Green Bay is a problem. I've talked
to general managers for the last three or four years.
No nobody can get a second good corner. Green Bay's
got five receivers I like, and two tight ends, and
they're not paying any of them, which means they can
go buy other pieces. They are a match up problem.
Those young receivers. I mean yesterday Jayden Reid didn't even
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have a catch. He's the most talented one they have
so farv to Rogers to Jordan Loves, I mean, I
I that's like, I mean, that's that's three hole in
ones of the same tournament. Like, that's incredible. Never seen
anything like it. I Mean, we thought Montana to Steve
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Young to Jeff Carcia was pretty good. I mean, this
is incredible. And what I love about this is that
what makes sports so great are not just the upsets,
but it's the player development. Listen to even Matt Lafleur
can't quite wrap his brain around what he saw.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Jordan Love.
Speaker 9 (10:58):
Wow, That's about all I can say.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Bete is Wow.
Speaker 9 (11:05):
What he did and the poise he shows, the command
he shows. It just shows the growth that he's had
from his first start versus case to now. Just so
proud and happy for him.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
He is he is, He's a dude. He is a
real dude.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
When the coach who sees him, teaches him, mentors him
every day at practice is doing that like wow, Like
he surprised everybody. But this is what green Bay does.
It's what hard working kids do. It's what great offensive
coaches who have a sensibility and feel for it have
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proven time and time again. But this is not don't
take this as hey, Dallas just played poorly. Now, green
Bay is a problem. Green Bay is going to be
a problem for that division and that conference and this
league for long time. All Right, Eagles played tonight in Tampa.
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Speaker 1 (12:57):
Six Pro Bowls, twelve years in the NFL. Well, Eagles
play at tonight. Leshan McCoy is joining us. He'll be
on Speak at four thirty eastern. Oh yeah, So, first
of all, let's talk about the Cowboys loss. It's very
easy to just blame, blame, blame, blame. I do think
we have to acknowledge Jordan Love, Matt Lafleur, how they
created a run game early. Some of this is nobody's
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got two and three good corners. I think you're just
a matchup. I don't think Dallas had the personnel.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
They matched up very very well.
Speaker 11 (13:28):
Yeah, Jordan Love played phenomenal and then he played really
really well, and he still could have played a lot better, right,
just from watching him, even some of his pass he
threw probably better on the timing. But they got Green
Bay has another superstar quarterback. And then you talk about
the matchups. I think on the defense number twenty five
voubs in the slot, he played really really well, right, Alexander,
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you know what type of player he is.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
They just had his team dowed up, right.
Speaker 11 (13:53):
I think, you know, the Cowboys are just so talented,
but I feel like when the big moments, they don't
give you what you thought you were going to get.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
How did you view the Cowboys when you were an Eagle?
How did you look at them?
Speaker 7 (14:06):
Uh?
Speaker 11 (14:06):
Well, back then they had Tony Romo, who's was really
really good.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
The thing with them was like, hey, we're going to.
Speaker 11 (14:12):
Just we get a couple of stops on defense because
their defense can't stop our offense.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
Right.
Speaker 11 (14:16):
It was that type of game. But I think now,
they're way more talented. If you look at this the
Cowboys roster in general, I mean, you can see the
All Pro list. There's so many for first team, the
second team for All pros on that roster because they're
that good.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
And to see it lost like that, it's terrible.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Twenty seven to nothing at one point, that's embarrassing. You're
not going to move off Dak. You know you're not
going to move off to You don't just leave a
quarterback who's capable.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
But could I make an argument?
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I watched the Rams offense, I watched Green Bays, I
watch Kansas City and it's multiple and clever in motion,
and then I watched Dallas and I'm like, is it
time to make a move at head coach?
Speaker 11 (14:53):
I mean, honestly, I like McCarthy. I think he's done
a great job with Dak Prescott. Once he decided to
take over the officeive coordinator row, I want to see
what that looked like. And he was right. He did
a phenomenal job. I've never seen Dak look so elite
in the regular season like he did since Mike McCarthy.
And even to look at the beginning of the year,
it was a lot more running, a lot more conservative offense.
And as Dak got better and more comfortable, right, and
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they got confidence with each other, the offense.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Grew a little. I like Mike.
Speaker 11 (15:18):
Yeah, I he's been winning. He's been a cowboy. I
think the last coach was Garrett Yeah, and he wasn't
really all winner. But you can win with this team.
I just think that when it's when the lights are bright,
you gotta deliver. And their quarterback. That's not what he
does best. Regular season, He's gonna give you some wins.
Regular season, you wanna talk about man, his kid's this,
He's that in the third until his primetime TV on
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the playoffs. You gotta have a winning record through the
whole season, but in January it's all that matters. And
you look at his January record, it is not good.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Well, you've been critical of Jalen Hurts as Philadelphia's offense
has regressed badly. Yeah, we'll watch him tonight. Does he
get some of the hit too, Well.
Speaker 11 (16:00):
I wouldn't give him the same type of criticism I
will give Dak. I mean Jalen, he's still a young quarterback, right,
and I think if you really watch Jalen and wash
his tape. Each year he gets better and better and better.
Now this year he's having a bad year. But the
team's having a bad year. Defense. They can't stop anybody.
They're worst. They're the worst team in third downs, right,
but it's the best down in football. Is conferred on
third downs to be a good team, and we're not.
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We're not playing fishing football nowhere on the Eagles for
office and defense. So as much as we want to
give jaalen Hurst to blame, which he deserves a lot
of that, but gotta get their whole team, we're not
playing well at all. Even on the coaches. I don't
think this year the coaches had a really good job
with the Eagles lost great coordinators and that's that's another
thing that happens.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
When you have a success, you lose all your coordinator.
That's what happens.
Speaker 11 (16:41):
They get new jobs, right, But I think in the
future will be better. I want to see how this
game goes tonight. The Bucks are not not really a
good team.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
But like saying Jay Brown, so he scrubbed his social
media accounts, can you give us clarity on what happened?
What's going on is yet I'll throw my theory at
you you telling me if I'm fullwing you, is that
they looked at the game plan.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Have I told you this?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
So they look at the game plan and the game
plan for Tampa and they came up with it Tuesday
was We're going to pass the ball fifteen times.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
We're going to run this ball. It's a whole game. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
And AJ Brown after one practice said after the install
said come on, man, I didn't get a touchdown in
December and said we're not going to go and the
offensive game plan the install is we're going to run
this ball forty eight times.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
And he heard he's ticked off. Okay, am I wrong?
But I mean, I don't know what the situation is.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I'll just say this, when you scrub your social it's
not an ankle twist.
Speaker 11 (17:37):
Yeah, I mean, but I guess the new thing nowadays
all the players are doing that, right, if they're looking
for contract, they scrubbled.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
It page of the team.
Speaker 11 (17:45):
But I think what ja AAJ Brown is? He's like
every other superstar wide receiver. I always say this, name
me a receiver. It was just okay, we're not getting
the ball, Okay, we're not having a productive day. I've
never played one like that, right, And I won't get
it to names, but they are like that. They all
are even now. They want the ball, That's what That's
what Number one see was. They always are like that, right.
So I'm not sure if it's the the scrubbing of
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the page for him, but I think I think he
is hurt, right. I think he's one of the guys
he placed to all type of injuries, a super tough
and physical.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Player, you know.
Speaker 11 (18:14):
But I do think the chemistry with the Eagles man
as you see, like the smiles and interviews from last
year to this year, is not that.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
It's a little tense.
Speaker 11 (18:22):
It's a little tense and there's no answer to why
we're playing so bad.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
What happens. I think it's unlikely what happens if they
get dragged tonight. I'm not talking what if it is
thirty three because the defense can't stop anybody. Baker gets hot, Yeah,
thirty three sixteen. There are a lot of rumors Nick
Cirianni's in trouble. Would you make a move Philly makes moves?
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, yes, we do.
Speaker 11 (18:49):
I guess I'm the wrong guy because I like Nick Sirianni.
I think he's a hell of a coach. None wrong
with that, right, and I the only thing is you
are playing in Philadelphia, right and if you don't have
that thick skin, you will not last. You see how
Ben Simmons, he phys it out, just n't do it.
And I think that the fans and the media standard, that's.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
What they are.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Yo.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
We're not going to Super Bowl.
Speaker 11 (19:09):
Yo, We're not going to playoffs. We're not winning, and
it starts raising questions and it's a loud city, it is,
so I'm not if.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
They don't win.
Speaker 11 (19:17):
I'm not surprised if people will comfort Nickson on his job.
I think he should remain a coach for our team
because only that he didn't do well to share his
staff and do well. But are the players in our
system and our team? They did not play well, and
the last time I checked, you need the players who
go out there and play. Coaches can only just push
you in a position to make plays. So overall we're
just not playing good.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I know we sound crazy on Monday talking about firing coaches,
but it is different. If you're Dallas and you're a
touchdown favorite, you have to contextualize it. In Green Bay's
the youngest playoff team six seventy four Bills and they
lead twenty seven to nothing. Okay, that's different. We have
to have a grown up conversation. So I think if
Philadelphia goes and gets dragged again, if they lose in overtime,
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they play well, there's a bad officiating.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
That's different.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
And then getting smoked and Baker Mayfield throws for three forty,
then we have to have a conversation.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Especially if Baker kills them. I mean, I would agree
with it.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I like Baker, but I'm just saying that defense it
is possible. I've watched Phillies, it is possible. But Tampa
controls the lion of scrimmage.
Speaker 11 (20:17):
Now that listen, everything you're saying is true. I hope,
I hope you wrong. But everything you're saying is factual
because we all year blow like that. We let the
freaking struggling Giants blow us out. We let the Cardinals,
who's trying to get the draft.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Pick beat it. So you got a point.
Speaker 11 (20:30):
I just think with the Dallas team, I think they
were playing a lot better right through the season. Work
assistant and also I feel like at home, there's not
another team that has the best advantage playing at home
than the Cowboys. That's all they do was win at home.
Now only they win at home, they blow people out
at home. So for them to lose like that, I
guess that that conversation about so the coach get fire,
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so the players get moved.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I get that it's from Philadelphia. I mean, we're not
good this year.
Speaker 11 (20:56):
Honestly, we're not the good this year, right, or at
least haven't been good lately. And I look at the Bucks,
They're not really a good team.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Like that.
Speaker 11 (21:02):
That's some talent, right, Mike dvmans and some guys, some defense.
It would be a good game. But to get dragged,
if we get dragged, yeah, I think that question is
gonna be Philadelphia, Like, what's gonna happen?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
All right?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Two hours from now, the Bills in eighteen degrees host
the Steelers. We have some video of you as a
Bill in a cold weather game against Indy. You tell me,
as an offensive skill player, did you like did you
like cold weather?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Did you like snow? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:27):
What?
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I love it? I love the cold weather. I love
the snow.
Speaker 11 (21:30):
It separates the men from the boys. When it's this cold,
you don't want to be out. Here's hitting people, running
your feet hurt, you know, your big toe hurts.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Man serious that all these things really happen.
Speaker 11 (21:40):
But I think if you have that mentality, in that
mindset that no matter, nothing will hold you back, you know,
that's what makes the men from the boys. I mean,
this game right here, it was fun because it's a
running back. People don't understand this, but imagine if everyone
in the field is runing to hit you at one
hundred percent. Now on the snow, it's reduced to like
sixty five percent, right, so is not as much. And
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then when they slam you on the ground, it's off,
it's pillows, it's soft. So I love the snow games.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Okay, so Tua did not play well, No, he did not.
And my take is, okay, Hawaii High School, Bama, Miami.
We don't think he's going to be Big Ben in
the snow. Can we just say you don't move off
him if the game's at home. He's still a very
good quarterback in warm weather. But there are players that
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need certain conditions and I've just we just have to
have this conversation. Two is not going to go to
Baltimore in nine degrees in winter. Kansas City Cincinnati, So
home field regular season becomes imperative. Not for everybody, yeah right,
Like you know this shady for a lot of teams.
A veteran team in the NBA playoffs, right, they don't
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need home court. Warriors could go to Boston the West.
But for Memphis, yeah, they got to be at home.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Point.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
And I look at two and I think, Okay, he's
just going to be a player. Gotta be a home
playoff game. He's not going to nine degrees. Is that
a realistic way to look at it?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
I agree with that.
Speaker 11 (23:05):
The only thing that scares me about commands to tour
for the long haul because I do think he's a
good quarterback.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I think he's found a home with Miami.
Speaker 11 (23:12):
This just because the head coach, soy God, you see
the instant impact, right, getting each other, feel like you're
getting some wide.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Receivers, they're making plays.
Speaker 11 (23:19):
The only excers me about Two is I don't look
at I don't look at the Miami Dolphins as a
team that's gonna be the favorite in the West. Right,
So you look at the Bills, there always gonna be
a top team. The Chiefs probably gonna be the one.
Some young guys Ravens, they're always gonna have the advantage
as far as the playoffs. So now I'm thinking, okay,
well that means Miami that made the playoffs, but they
got go on the road, and you watch tour on
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the road. He didn't want he like he's belonging there.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
It's so cold. I need to get out of here.
He could throw fire routes. So I'm thinking, like for
the future.
Speaker 11 (23:50):
If you click, if you think this team is gonna
be a playoff team, but you don't think they're gonna
better than the Bills, you have to ring.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
That's the question you gotta ask.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I think it is there are people in sports that
are conditionally very good.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Yeah, there are.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
There are some conditions, and I like to and McDaniel.
I just think you have to know going in, Hey,
our regular season is really important. Our seating is gonna matter.
For two, I can still draft a quarterback in the
third round. I don't have to.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I don't have to move up and sell the farm
to get a first round quarter back.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, because I think, by the way, next September it'll
be ninety four in Miami.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
They'll be real good. Yeah, and you're not paying him anything.
But he got to win the big ones. For me.
Speaker 11 (24:28):
Also, I'm tired of seeing, you know, a team that's
so talented, like the Dolphins. You know how hard it
is to get a team that good, that that talented,
that fits the scheme right. You find a lot of talent,
but sometimes the talent don't really go together with the
scheme what the coach wants to do. They have that there,
so what's the question why that can't be none of
the top teams?
Speaker 3 (24:46):
What is it? Then you take it to the row
in the playoffs?
Speaker 11 (24:49):
You they don't like even belong on the same physis
the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I know, if Kansas City was good in the red zone,
it had been forty two or seven, and.
Speaker 11 (24:56):
They haven't even been good lately. Right, the Chiefs are
still kind to find their way. So if you struggling
against a team that's trying to find their way, who
are you?
Speaker 3 (25:03):
What's your identity?
Speaker 11 (25:04):
That's the only thing about two I like to I
think the towns of quarterbacks super smart, you know, great accuracy, smart,
but I need to see when it matters.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
I get it all right. Finally, Detroit Lions, Detroit the career,
they were the Campbell I like it.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
So what do you that was a great game, by
the way game, I think that it was a Both
quarterbacks were slinging it is this a team that could
beat the Niners because they beat the Niners?
Speaker 11 (25:39):
You know what I was saying about this team, that
old line they can they can beat anybody, right, IM
favorite the Niners. But I was watching tape on Denver
and on Denver Detroit versus who the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
On the road, and I'm not yo.
Speaker 11 (25:54):
They they battled their tails off against against Dallas on
the road.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Which teams who the Dallas on the road? They get
blown out?
Speaker 11 (26:01):
And I watched away the randomoll I watched away there
on third downs o golf play. I watched how that
defense made plays and they need to make them. So
they got a good chance to beat anybody. It's just
a matter of getting that running game going. If they
don't mad the running game going, they can be in trouble.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Hey, you only played in Kansas City for what a year?
Andy Reid snow and you know it's even though you
were only there a year. The thing I always respect
about him the Hunt family. Brett Veach read is amazing.
So one of the things that I think we forget
about this league?
Speaker 7 (26:33):
Is you know?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I asked Jimmy Johnson one time, I said, most important
thing in the draft. He goes, you gotta draft some
moret players. Come on, they can't learn the playbook. Get
to waste my time. I just think when New England
had the dynasty, they weren't the most talented team, but
they were so functional. And when I watched Kansas City
to play like that in that game, and I'm like, no,
(26:54):
I'm not surprised because smart people figure it out.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
When you were there for a year, did you take
some of that away? Just the way the operation works.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Now?
Speaker 11 (27:03):
Remember I played with Andy and in Philadelphia, Oh you play.
You know Andy and Breach they draft are the best
top players. So I was drafted with Andy reed first
in Philadelphia. So when I went to Kansas City, it.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Was the same thing.
Speaker 11 (27:13):
He runs the same type of franchise. Right, it's smart players, right,
you're not gonna beat yourself.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
So Kansas City felt like Philly, oh Man, yeah town
the same talent.
Speaker 11 (27:23):
I mean, thinking about it, we had Jashaun Jackson and
as wide receiver, he had Tyree Hill as wide receiver.
Like everything's the same. That's how he drafts. He drafts
speedy dafts, smart players. And the thing about Andy I
love is that he lets everybody be themself. Wants you
to be comfortable. If you watch the way that Patrick
Mahomes played in college in Texas Tech, he takes a
little bit of that right and he puts it to
his own style with Andyy. Andy got some coaching coaches
(27:46):
up a little bit. But also, hey, I want some
of that Texas Tech player.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Be who you are. That's what Michael bicky, that's what
got you here.
Speaker 11 (27:52):
So when you watch Andy Reed and them young players,
I was telling the guys on speak that yet are
struggling right now because they are young. They're young as
to do so much right now. And they're and the
head guy in the receiver room or the office room
is Kelsey. He's not really playing that. Kelsey bought that
we know. So it makes the young guys got to
step up. But when they click, when they get it over,
takes a while. It takes a while a rookie.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Is it a complicated system?
Speaker 11 (28:17):
Yeah, any like smart players right, and he won't dumb
it down. He might double that for the quarterbacks because
they're the main piece. But as far as the running
backs and receivers old, you gotta get it. You got
to understand it and know it. If not, you will
not play. So you see, sometimes like if miscommunication with
maybe Patrick Mahomes a receiver, or he's thinking pasting helmet,
you should shit it down with his zone there it's
a guyter and the Whites keeps going like small things
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like that.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
That's just a matter of the experience part.
Speaker 11 (28:42):
But once they get it over there, they gonna be
the same thing we've seen last year because that's when
any he runs, he runs a smart system. And the
piece that he needs to be really really good he
has in Travis Kelsey he has and Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Yeah, could see anybody always good. We always have a
good time.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
No, no, this is the herd Line news.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Shady likes a good time. You know, Matt Stafford did
not have a good time yesterday.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
How about his hand got ripped up.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
He was playing, had an amazing game, but he got
so bad. I felt bad for Stafford.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
Man.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
He had a great.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah, this kid was tremendous, tough twenty four to twenty
three loss.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
And you know Stafford spoke about how impressed he was
with his team this season after the l I'm so.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Proud of this team.
Speaker 12 (29:34):
All the guys that you know, worked their tail off
to get us to this point. Said it earlier in
the week. Nobody gave us a chance to even be
sniffing where we are right now, and uh, you know,
gave gave a really good football team a run for
the money. Didn't get it done, but uh, I'm proud
of the guys, proud of their efforts, from coaching, staff, players,
everybody involved in it. It was Uh, it was a
fun year, a hell of a year and something to
(29:56):
be proud of.
Speaker 7 (29:57):
You know.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
It's interesting. So I'm watching Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald is
one of those guys. He still gets triple team regularly.
Like twice in the game they single blocked him and
he blew off a play. Is that people are speculating
that Aaron Donald's leaving. The Rams need to go buy
an edge rusher because they have some cap space now,
some because they're so young. If they can go by
(30:18):
remember how Aaron Donald was so great. He's always been great,
but when they got von Miller, it's hard to double him.
There were multiple shots during this game of Donald being
triple team at this age, he is no other player
in the league. You can't triple block Miles Garrett. He
is triple teamed on multiple snaps in games.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Yeah, it is tough.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
I can't see anything happening with Donald. Maybe a restructure
of his deal. The real interesting one is Cooper Cupp Colin.
I'm not saying he lost his deep, but the injuries
are catching up.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
There's no question he's over thirty and Pooka, except Pooka
looks like a number one. I think we can all agree.
It's not like a few games season he was dominant.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
If Cooper doesn't want to a structure, do you say, hey, Carolina,
you guys know, I think I think you need a
receiver for Bryce.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
You on give us some I think they want to
retain Cooper. Yeah, obviously it's because it's He and.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Puka are both kind of physically hard to bring down players.
So in mcveigh's offense, when they get them ball out quickly,
those guys after the catch, they're just hard to bring
down for smaller corners. So I think what's going to
happen is I mean, I think Aaron Donald and Cooper
Cup there are still games in which they're elite players game,
I don't think. And I also think they're both great leaders.
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They're both the great locker room guys. They've got cap
space they have to go by, and they have to
go buy an edge rusher, they need another back, another
left tackle, a defensive end.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Hit on a couple more draft picks, and they're right there.
Remember this team, I believe they exceeded their Vegas win
total by like five games. One of the most impressive
in the league. I think they probably has one more
good run in this.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Stafford with oh, I think so, I absolutely. And by
the way, Carson Wentz is strangely a perfect background. I mean,
they don't pay him any you know, he played against
the Niners y final game.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
By the way, it looks like one report says high
be the tight end who.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Took that grouse at Tyler Higbee.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
He sorry, like.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Looks like it might have been an acl there that
was rough on television.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Listen if the Rams had somehow won that game, I
think you just unload the account betting against them because
they were so beat up, Kyroen got hurt.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Staff though they were, they they don't have a ton
of elite deap depth isn't there.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
But they you know, they've got their one, two, three, four, five,
six draft picks, some compensation picks, so they'll be fine.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Next up is a Billsteelers game.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
It was postponed from Sunday to today. It tip kicks
off and I think a little less than two hours.
I don't know, Colin. I thought that the Bills organization
was asking fans to come to the stadium to help
shovel the snow, and they were offered twenty dollars an hour.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (32:54):
A billion dollar organization offering twenty bucks an hour? Yeah,
but that's what you pay a babysitter out here in
La Buffalo. And whether you're you're shoveling snow, will you
go out there twenty bucks?
Speaker 4 (33:05):
We got one hundred dollars an hour.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Well, it's a it's a wings and beer town. That's
twenty bucks is twenty bucks?
Speaker 4 (33:13):
I mean, I think that's a little distance thing.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
You're a billion dollar organization, let's I mean, they're come on,
step it up, Buffalo, Come on, that is terrible.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
You know what, a lot of people in Buffalo take
enormous pride being part of this organization. You could have
gotten some of these people to do it for five
bucks an hour. They love their team, they love helping
their player. This is my wife used to have to
go to Buffalo. She always says, nicest people in America.
So they're not sitting there arguing over hourly wages.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
They believe.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I mean, I saw who said this. Oh, Dan Campbell
said this, he goes our fans helped us win.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Oh that, there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 7 (33:50):
Dell. No.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
So I mean to me, Buffalo, this team, this fan
base is connected uniquely to this organization.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
You go out there for three four hours, you're sitting there.
You know, I can't go out on the town. What
else is there to do? You're sitting around like I'm
a young guy.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I can go make one hundred and twenty bucks, be
with my buddies, have a cold one, and shovel snow.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
All right, you're all caught up in the hourly ways.
You shovel it so for hours on end.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
It's like pay these guys, come on, they're your fans. Anyways.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Final story is the Eagles and they're slump. Shady McCoy
just it was talking about it. Man, they lost five
of six. I'm starting to get bad vibes about them tonight.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
I don't I don't know. I'm on the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
I bet them. I don't understand.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
I got two and a half.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
It's a three.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
You could you can probably get it to.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
A better players Philadelphia.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
It's more than that, you know that.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I mean we were betting, didn't you say it?
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Bet on the better quarterback and coach and like you
know Cowboys, we thought they had the better coaching quarterback.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Well, I bet Green Bay to cover, right. I thought
it was gonna be a very close game.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Starting to not feel great about the Eagles. I'm not
buying out of my position. I'm with you. I think
this is a DeAndre Swift over.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
I think Kenneth Gainwell will do some damage here. I
think they're gonna run forty five times tonight. You know
That's what I think it's gonna be Aus Austin Scott
dust him all.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
They're just I would just if you look at this matchup,
I would just say, guys, up front, we're running the
ball forty five times. Offensive lineman would always prefer to
run block than pass block. Weather's not going to be
a factor. We're gonna beat them up at the line
of scrimmage. Now Baker and these receivers, you don't want
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to be playing from behind because Baker on play.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Action with these receivers could be a very effective quarterback.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Now the Eagles, I don't think they'll get caught looking ahead,
but the re they'd play the Lions if they if
they win this game.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Oh, I like the Lions over the winner of this game.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
That being said, I think it was a season opener
last year. Eagles Lions early in the season and the
Eagles were up like a billion before they let the
Lions back in the game.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
That's not a great matchup for Detroit.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
I will say this Eagles offense should be able to
control the pace. I don't think they can stop you know,
Amara Saint Brown, those guys. I thought, I want to
see Eagle I want to see Eagles lines I don't
want to see.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
I love Detroit and I think that's a great matchup
for Detroit.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Can Detroit meets him?
Speaker 1 (36:09):
I thought I thought the Rams were a tough matchup. Yeah,
for the Lions, just because of Pooka. I just thought
the ability to move the ball on the back end,
and they did in the second half. They just couldn't
get in the end zone. I don't think Philadelphia is
a tough matchup.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Philadelphia red zone offense was awesome Earlier this season.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
By the way, Rams had over four hundred yards offensee
point seven yards per play.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
They did whatever they wanted again the Lions.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
No, I mean it was it comes down to that
one of those red zone passes is caught.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Listen, if they weren't that flag on the interference on Pooka,
they're driving for the game.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
When you feel line fans, you gotta be honest. Yeah,
no late hit call on Stafford in twenty twenty three.
I mean, Ryan, you were all watching. I was surprised that's.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
A first and goal on once they thought that flay Yeah,
I mean in that play. I have seen pushes on
quarterbacks who were out of a play. A push gets
flag that was helmet to helmet and then they stepped
on him.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
I'm like, guys, that is that is a bad miss.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
I can live with the no p I call on
Puka because people are grabbing the whole game, but quarterbacks
getting head to head that's called every that's overcall.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
You do you not remember MVS against the Packers, They
tackle him in the open field.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
No flag. I mean you, you got all the flags
in these high leverage moments.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Detroit won. That was a miss, bad miss. J McK
of a News.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
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Speaker 3 (37:41):
Greg Olsen stopped by today.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
He was the analyst uh Kevin Burkhardt, the play by
play guy on the Fox broadcast the Cowboys getting drubbed
by Green Bay. Greg Earlier on any potential changes with
McCarthy or Dak going forward, It's hard for me.
Speaker 13 (37:59):
To sit here and say they need to revamp their
offense when they just led the league in scoring. Right,
They led the league in scoring two of the last
three years. Mike McCarthy, this is the best Dak Prescott
has ever played. They were eight no at home and
they scored thirty seven points a game at home. Now,
I know everyone out there saying it doesn't matter. All
that matters is in the playoffs, and that's fair, and
I think at a place like Dallas, that comes with
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the territory. And at the end of the day, the
NFL is about scoring.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
It's about offense.
Speaker 13 (38:25):
It's an offensive driven quarterback driven league, and Dak Prescott
played as well as any quarterback in the league from
an entire season standpoint.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
How about this that we view the Dallas Cowboys if
Dak and McCarthy remain as sort of like a good
college football program, like a Wisconsin. Nobody considers them a
serious national championship contender. But they can win eight games
in a bowl game and we just have to. And
that's nothing against Wisconsin, just considering the state and the
players available at the high school level in your vicinity,
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is that certain college football programs were like eight wins
in a bowl win would be a great season. And
like Dallas, if you're gonna keep Dak and McCarthy, is
you you have a good season, you can get to
the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
But we can't.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
We can't seriously consider them up. Come on, we can't
consider them a super bowl team. Wisconsin seems a little harsh.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
Aren't they more like a pack twelve soft team that
wins a lot of games and then they step up
in class against the Niners or whoever and they get smoked.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Isn't that a like this?
Speaker 4 (39:29):
They won twelve games the last three years, twelve or
more games the last three years.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Well, the division's got two stinker roonies in it.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Well, the Giants made the playoffs last year and one
a game.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
I mean, yeah, but they're bad now.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Just went to the super Bowl. Like that's not I
feel like we're over reacting a little bit to the loss.
I still think McCarthy's toasted. I don't want to see
dan Quinn back there with the defense. Dan Quinn's hunting
for head coaching jobs every offseason. He got his pants
pulled down by the Packers, and the first time started
quarterback in the playoffs, like that was an awful performance.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Defense awful.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Yeah, he's not a real viable candidate, right, I.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
Mean, I think he's going to Seattle. That would be
my guess, right.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
I don't get that move. That's just a lateral move.
Keep Pete, it's the same ideology. I don't get it.
It's a younger Pete.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
That's not They got to solve their quarterback and they
got to get more functional offensively.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
That's how I view it. That one I don't get.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
I mean, I get all these rumors like Belichick, Atlantic
kind of get it, Hardball, Washington are Chargers, I get it.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Dan Quinn Seattle what's the point.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
J It's the defensive coordinators like Jim Schwartz got torched
and Raheem Morris, who had a great year with the Rams.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
They were not ready to play.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
I mean talking about he got run over in the
first half, like they.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Could not stop to well, some of this is just
a reality of quarterbacks are great, you're not stopping him.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
This is an offensive league. I mean you've been saying this.
You need an offensive head coach.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
All right, Hey, Mike Clark, Clark screwed up. How much
time do I have here? We got oh, we got
two more minutes, two and a half more minutes. Okay, yeah,
I mean I there's realities. There are certain realities in
this league that we have. Eleven of the fourteen playoff
teams have offensive coaches. The defensive masterminds. Dan Quinn got worked,
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Jim Schwartz got worked. Raheem Morris had a great year
first half, got work. If you got the right quarterback
and an offensive coach, it's a huge advantage. You can
win with a defensive coach Harbaugh, mc dermott and Houston,
but the quarterback has to be really special. It doesn't
feel like an offensive coach has to have a really
special quarterback.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Good can win you a lot of games.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
So I just think the I think the world we
live in now, we just that doesn't mean you can't
win with a defensive coach. But the quarterback's got to
be Lamar Josh or what appears to be a star
in C. J.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Stroud.
Speaker 7 (41:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
And by the way, if you get forced to go
to a backup, you do not want a defensive coach.
Oh no, we saw multiple offensive coaches go to third
and fourth quarterbacks and get into the playoffs, survive for.
Speaker 5 (41:57):
And again you don't want to overreap the Collins. I
look at this draft and I see, like I had
my mock draft for Fox last week. I had the
first seven guys were offensive players. I think you have
to look offense first in the draft. In free agency. Yeah,
I mean, I'm sorry, Like I just you know, my Jets,
we're gonna look at this this Sauce Gardner. I was
the first one to push this out there. Back you
were see what you could get. We need real offensive
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talent with the Jets, like that's the only way they're
getting back to the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Just need off Well, I mean, I'll say this.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
If they hit on a left tackle, he won't be
great as a rookie. He'll be good, serviceable. The Jets
have issues for any quarterback, but a forty year old quarterback.
I mean, I watched Jordan Love yesterday. He looked better
than Aaron the year before in Green Bay, way more athletic.
So it's like, you gotta be honest if you're a
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Jets fan. Defensive coach Nat Hackett, one receiver, cross your fingers,
your left tackle rookie can play. He's not gonna be
a pro bowler. Pooka was a fifth round pick for
the Rams. The Packers hit on all these wide receivers
we never heard of. These guys are starting to hit.
It's an offensive league. Now you've got to go push offense. Yeah,
well what about Demico Ryans? Well what if they go
(43:08):
get smoke next weekend?
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (43:09):
I mean again again they things have gone well. Now
we're talking NFL football next weekend.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
See you tomorrow.
Speaker 14 (43:23):
Well, we'll see you right now, Fred rug and Rodney
Pee And now we're sprint today at a five seventy
LA sports. Rodney, how are you?
Speaker 6 (43:30):
I'm good. I'm just trying to figure out what this
past weekend was for Colin. If it wasn't the NFL football,
what wasn't Because we're going to get into real NFL
football next weekend.
Speaker 14 (43:39):
All right, So last weekend was not NFL football.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
I guess.
Speaker 14 (43:42):
I guess this past weekend wasn't great games though, Well,
I'll tell you one. One was a great game. One
was a great game. I was surprised the others were
blowouts the way they were.
Speaker 6 (43:54):
Yeah, a little bit, a little bit, but boy, you know,
how about all the people that said, including Colin, let's
move off of Jordan Love you know, early early in
the season.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
The kid is a star, and they got their guys.
Speaker 6 (44:07):
The reason why they moved off Aaron Rodgers like they did,
because they knew what they had. But man, yeah, a
tough one on the Rams though, well we got to
talk about that first. You got to give him all
the credit in the world. They went and they fought,
they fell behind early, could never make up the difference.
I mean, that's really the ball game. But just gutsy
incredible performance by Matthew Stafford, his hand gushing blood, got
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hit in the head, thought he might have had a concussion.
Speaker 14 (44:34):
He's tough. You cannot deny that. If you don't like
him or you don't like his wife, you can't take
away the fact he is one tough guy and he
kept him in that game all the way and Lions
got that early league. Well, we'll talk about him. We'll
talk about it. When we got on the air Lakers
in Utah the other night. That wasn't good. That wasn't
good at all. I'd been good for a while there, Freddie, Yeah,
(44:57):
that was not good. We're going to hit that and
just do it for an hour today, So let's get ready.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
Cold Case Files: Miami
Joyce Sapp, 76; Bryan Herrera, 16; and Laurance Webb, 32—three Miami residents whose lives were stolen in brutal, unsolved homicides. Cold Case Files: Miami follows award‑winning radio host and City of Miami Police reserve officer Enrique Santos as he partners with the department’s Cold Case Homicide Unit, determined family members, and the advocates who spend their lives fighting for justice for the victims who can no longer fight for themselves.