June 11, 2025 • 32 mins
Fox Sports soccer analyst Alexi Lalas joins the show to tell Colin what the US Men's National Team needs to do to get back on track after a 4th straight loss as they prepare for the 2026 World Cup
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
And he is now going to join us live after that,
after that disheartening four nil lass to Switzerland last night.
So the World Cups a year away on us soil.
The Gold Cup starts this weekend. So I'm gonna throw
a theory at you, is that as we have more play.
You were the first American, you played in the Italian League.
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You went over and what was that like, nineteen you
went over and played in nearly eighty what.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Was it previous century? Let's just say century, nineteen hundreds.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Okay, So here's my take on this, that there's a
slight pivot that Christian Polistic and the top players are signaling.
They're saying, listen, two things matter in soccer now, our
stars making money in Europe and the World Cup and
this stuff in between doesn't matter like it did years ago.
Now when you were Land and Donovan were going over
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we didn't have the number of players, but polistics like
I'm an Ac Milan second season, fifty grueling matches.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I don't care about the Gold Cup?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Could I just say that the world and it's actually
it's because of our talent that the world's changing, that
the European Money's number two, World Cup's number one.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
But maybe maybe stuff like the Gold Cup won't matter
as much anymore.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
You can say it, I don't know if it's necessarily true,
and if it is true, then it's a sad commentary
on well, I guess not how far we've come or
how much we've regressed, because you know, I still look
out and I see whether it's a Messy or a
Christiano Ronaldo. And I know they play in different it's
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a different context in terms of where they play, in
the teams that they play for. But and I try
so hard calling not to grumpy old man this thing,
but I cannot fathom or understand or relate to if
and when you are called to represent your country, a
country that I feel is the greatest country in the world,
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you saying no, I'm willing to give Christian Polisics some grace.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
If he needs rest, that's fine. I will remind.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Christian and anybody else out there, last time I was
one hundred percent, I was ten years old. I think
the bigger problem is for Christian Polistic not to be
here this summer is that you got to read the room, dude,
And I think this is a bad look for him,
for his agent, and for US Soccer because look, I
know we talk about politics every once in a while,
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and I love politics, and you know this, this is
a situation where we've just come through an era where
at best you can call it, well, you know, some
some dramatic spinning, but at worst it's gaslighting. I am
not here to do either one of those things to
you or to your audience.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
You deserve better. And the truth is right now, this.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Is a team, the US men's national team, that.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Is looked upon with criticism.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
There is plenty of angst associated with it, and I
think the worst part is that there is apathy associated
to this team. And so in this moment when you
have a chance, yes it's the Gold Cup, to come
in to represent this country and to kind of set
the course in a much more positive type of way,
and create some momentum that you need. By the way,
a year before a home World Cup, you say, no,
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that's a bad.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Look for him.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
How about this is that though we have a group
of five or six elite players all overseas playing well, right,
that our talent pool is not as deep as you know,
countries that we in the Netherlands. It could be it
could be Columbia, it could be Spain. We're not as
deep as France or as Italy. Now I mean those
countries like Germany too, they have rebuilding World Cups like
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they're not always at their peak. But our talent pool
is pretty thin. And Mauricio Pochettino, who loves younger players,
last night said I'm gonna roll the dice with their
young guys, and last night he discovered that that talent
pool is just not there.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
And so so last.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Night was simply a wake up call and it was
it was something that he needed.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
How about that, I think you're a little bit letting
Mauricio Puchettino off the hook. You know, he has a
pedigree when it comes to the club game, but not
the international game. And they are very, very different in
terms of the time that you are able to spend
with your team. He is being paid rumored to be
six million dollars a year, and so he has been
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hired to get us to a point.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
That we haven't been before.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
And look, this has been an abject failure and certainly
over the last couple of games. Ultimately he will be
judged by the World Cup, the Gold Cup. Like I said,
it's an opportunity now to make sure that we are
headed in a better direction. But those two games that
we just saw against Turkey A and against Switzerland, these
are not elites of the world, but these are good
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teams and obviously they've shown that in this form against
this team they were better.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Jay Mackett said this I always felt, and you as
a defender, I always felt our stamp. We were closer
to Italy than Argentina or Brazil. We were not that skilled.
We had good goalkeeping. If we did beat international teams,
it was low scoring. We could be physical yourself, Clint Dempsey,
we had a chip on our shoulder, but we were
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defense first. We knew we weren't Argentina. We knew we
weren't Brazil or the Netherlands. We knew that, and so
there was a certain style and skill level that dictated
that I think this is a more skilled group. And
again I think we should be more aggressive. I always
felt when we played like England and Germany, we were
playing for the last fifteen minutes and see if we
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could come out one nothing. We were just trying to
keep it at bay defense. Should we be more aggressive?
And because that is Mauricio's history, he likes young players
and he is aggressive. Do you because Jmax said this
during the break, he goes.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
What are we?
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Well, every good team in every sport is something what
are we right now?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
With USA soccer?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So we are representative of a country that is completely
unique relative to almost all of the rest of the world.
Obviously soccer is not king, but also when you look
at our diversity, that means incredible diversity of thought in
the way that people think about the game. And I've
talked about this fallacy that is the melting pot of
a national team. We have players from all over, not
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just a country, but all over the world, and it's
very difficult to get eleven players on the field all
headed in the same direction in a country that thinks
about the game and is a diverse way as we do.
If I ask one hundred American soccer people out there,
what is the beautiful game, I'm going to get one
hundred different answers. Now that's not an excuse, but it
is a reality. And so Pochetino's job is to make
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sure if he's got a dumb it down, fine, but
whatever it is, either you're on board or you aren't.
And I cannot tell you the amount of people that
have come up to me and said, you know what,
I will take a less talented US men's national team
at this point as long as they show some of
that traditional spirit and fight and they make us proud
by what they're doing. You know, the Supreme Court tried
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to define obscenity many many years ago, and they said,
we can't do that, but we know.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
It when we see it.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
American soccer fans, they know it when they see it,
and they have yet to see it with this group.
And that is concerning a year out from the World Cup.
Like I said, if you had asked me back in
nineteen ninety four, what we would look like on twenty
twenty five, a year before the twenty twenty six World Cup.
The Men's World Cup returning to the US this is
not what I have envisioned back then. So we got
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to get ourselves in order, all on the field and
to a certain extent, off the field, because this is
coming down the pike, and it is coming fast, and
it behooves us to make sure that this is a
wonderful advertisement in the world, in what we do on
the field and what we do off the field.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
When Polisic decided not to play now, I would defend
him in that he's played fifty match seasons with ac Milan.
That's rigorous soccer, and he just said, man, I need
a break here. I don't love it, but I get
the explanation. Tyler Adams is truly hurt. That's fine. But
did Politic send a message? Could I read into that?
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I'm not sure if he loves this new coach. I
always thought he and Burholter got along. I thought the
players like Burholter now Geo Raina that we know about
that situation. But is Politic sending a message to me
that he doesn't necessarily love the guy that replays bur
Halter or or am I overstating just he's fatigued?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
No, I do think that he generally thinks that he
is fatigued, and he generally thinks that this is going
to help him. But look, if the Herd was in crisis,
right they came to you and said, listen, we don't
know if we're going to continue on with this thing.
You got a week to prove to us that you
deserve for us to continue on. And you said, you
know what, I got a vacation scheduled, So I'm just
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going to bring in whoever, but everybody else has to
come in and work. That would look bad and you
would look bad in the process, and I would think
if this really means something to you, that you would
move heaven and earth to be there.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
To try to set this right. Now. Doesn't mean that
it's all.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Going to go great, no, but at least you are
there in the trenches in the most important moment before
this World Cup, helping this team. So yeah, I mean, look,
Christian Polistic is going to be fine.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
He's a big boy, all right.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
He's going to take his licks right now publicly, which
is which is fine. May him he may hit back,
I don't know, and I think he's going to be
there next summer.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
And maybe in a.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Strange way, this puts the burden if you will, or
the onus on Christian Polisic to bring it because he's
rested and we are going to expect more. Fine, Christian,
you got to take the summer of twenty twenty five off.
That means that when you come in the summer of
twenty twenty six, you live up to the hype, which
he has to be fair to him, but you are
the best player on the field, and you are a
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leader on and off the field that takes us into
a territory that we haven't been before.
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Speaker 1 (10:35):
Finally, what will satisfy you in the Gold Cup starting
this weekend? What will you be if they come out
of it? They're not going to win it, But what
would satisfy you if they didn't win it?
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Oh? No, I'm still expecting them to win it. I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
This is still the Gold Cup. You can't have it
both ways. Okay, you can't. You can't tell me that
the Gold Cup is a lesser tournament and it's and
when it comes to competition, and okay, relative to the
World Cup. Fine, But then when we get to the
World to this Gold Cup, even with the talent that
we have, as poorly as they played in the last
two games, that you shouldn't expect them to win it.
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Are they the favorites? No, But I expect them to
rise to the occasion. They hear everything that is being
said right now, all right, and I hope they take
it to heart, okay, And it's nothing. Believe me, it's
nothing compared to other teams around the world when they
falter right now. So, whether it's Mauricio Pochettino and some
of the heat that he's coming in for, or whether
it's this group of players that are there or the
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group of players that aren't there, I.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
Hope you hear it, and I hope you react.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
We shouldn't have to do that, but I hope that
it does light a fire under their asses and they
bring it when it comes to the Gold Cup and
then obviously for the next year, and then that magic
happens next summer.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
But they got a long way to go.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Alexi Lawless cutting through his O as my friend, maybe
I'm just getting too worked up. Maybe I care too much,
that's my problem. I care too much.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
You never care too much. One cannot care too much.
My friend, you're a lover, not a fighter.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I know that's right exactly Alexei Lawless, Fox Sports soccer
analyst J Mack. Both, you guys are very You're being positive.
But I do think I do think your assertion that
what are we matters and I.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Do think this stuff matter.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I think about the US soccer like I do political parties.
If you get the right leader, you can turn things
around quickly. We've said this in the NFL. C J
Stroud to make O'Ryan's oh Houston's laughing stock to a
playoff team.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
There are certain sports. Baseball is not the case.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
You need armed.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
The season is so long in baseball. If you don't
have two or three good arms, a closer, and the
media or batting order isn't productive, it can take you
a long time. You need to hit on six seven
draft picks. But I do believe when policic plays and
everybody's in the right mindset, Like a political party, you
get the right guy, a party can be lost.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
You get the right leader, boom you in elections.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
So I'm trying to be positive on this, but when
you see what has happened over the last year.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
It's discouraging WAFNE.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
This whether or not identity matters. You know, you could say, like, well,
what what's the Jets identity?
Speaker 6 (13:05):
Jason, I'll be.
Speaker 7 (13:06):
Like, bingo, we haven't had one for fifteen years. We
want to be defense and then our defense can't stop anybody.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Oh, I think.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I mean, you name an NFL team and I'll tell
you that. I think identity is huge because I think
in crisis, you know, you own you, I own a company.
I talk about this all the time. What's our identity?
What's the there there? What are we? And so my
question when people say, I think it's a very fair criticism,
what is USA soccer today?
Speaker 4 (13:34):
And I don't think there's an identity?
Speaker 7 (13:35):
You want to be attacking? Do we want to be defensive?
Do you want to play out of the back? There's
so many I think, can you pick an NFL team
for you?
Speaker 8 (13:41):
Righty?
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Atlanta Falcons don't have an identity, not very good.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Don't have an identity all right.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I mean with Peyton and Drew Brees, it was efficiency
and IQ they were one of the smartest offenses in
the league.
Speaker 7 (13:55):
So an easier one. Let's go with the Cincinnati Bengals
offense first offense in passing right, that works. Go NBA
real quick. What are the New York Knicks. What's their identity?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Villanova professionally? Yeah, wow, that's a real identity. That's an identity.
Speaker 7 (14:13):
And USA Soccer just kind of sort of struggling with
run right now.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
They just they don't. They got a new coach. Maybe
there's a grace period.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Even when you had the Josie Altador Clint Dempsey teams,
I always felt like we were physical and we were feisty.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
We were limited.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
We didn't have great attackers, we weren't highly skilled, but
we had great goal tending. We had tough Clint Dempsey.
I always felt like we played above our skill We
were a fight, you know, Alexi Lowlett, we played above
our skill level. Everybody knew that that that you nobody
was afraid of us. But in the World Cup you
had to take us seriously because we would play above
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our skill level. I feel like this team there's no identity.
Speaker 7 (14:55):
If you look to like South American nationalist in Brazil,
Argentina flair, amazing fun soccer goal you go to Europe.
It's Spain with the skill, Germany with the skill right,
the teamwork, the passing, and US just kind of doesn't
really now, to be fair, you could argue Canada and
Mexico they don't have identities now either, and that's why
our whole region is down.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
But they got a year to fix it before the
World Cup.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
All right, j Mac with the news, No, no turn
on the news.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 7 (15:27):
All right, Colin, We are a couple weeks away from
the NBA Draft and everybody wants to know, is Yanni's
gonna get moved? Well, there's now skepticism on the other
side of it, with an anonymous NBA executive saying Yannis
is not going anywhere this summer, adding that the Bucks
still feel like they can win with him. Now, Jannis
did speak this week. He's in Brazil for something. I
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saw he was like doing something pick up basketball and.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
Slipped on the court. Now, oh my gosh.
Speaker 7 (15:53):
He said, I'm rooting for good basketball in the finals.
I hope to be back soon with the Bucks. So
now there is skepticism that Bucks will move you honest,
and I will say they're not gonna win anything because
Dan Lolller's out next year, but Colin fifty years ago.
This month, the Bucks traded Jabbar. They had not won
a title since trading him. They took them forever. They
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get Giannis. Do you kind of just say we're not
trading honest, he's our best bet to be competitive, to
contend things fall our way.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Maybe we get back in the mix. Maybe you just
say we're not trading.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Well, I think there's something happening in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
VISA v College basketball.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
The NIL is now we just saw this with that
kid from Auburn.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
You like, so two things are happening.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
The NIL the American capitalism and exceptionalism is buying the
best European players come play college basketball, okay, And that
NIL money is keeping college players like Zach Eedy in
college another year. What does that mean that college basketball
the overall quality over the last two years, Houston, Florida,
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Yukon is noticeably better.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
These are much better teams.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
What does that mean, older players, more skill players, more
mature players in college going forward? What does that mean?
Do not give away draft picks? So my take is,
if you trade Yannis, if you'd have traded him, if
you trade honest. The draft picks you will accumulate are
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much better draft picks than ten years ago. The hit
rate on draft picks twelve years ago was not very good.
My take if you go look at this past this
NBA draft, I mean, look, there's about twelve guys that
people think can be border I just read Jonathan Giovanni
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I think is a name. I'm sorry, but yeah, Jevoni.
I mean I looked at his draft profile. Hit about
ten to twelve players that people think can be all NBA,
All Star or high end starters.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
That is a good draft. Hel Rutgers has two of them.
They couldn't even make the tournament.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
So my take is if there was about a twenty
year stretch where you could just give draft picks away,
the number six pick was a non player, I think
going forward, because of Nil's ability to keep pros in
college another year and steal the best European seventeen eighteen
nineteen year olds, I think that means draft picks mean more.
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So my take is if you trade honest and you
get four picks, three of those could be much higher
end players than a decade ago.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
So that's interesting because you could go like that, give
me Jalen Brown from the Celtics instead of picks, or
give me Amen Thompson and picks. But you're saying you
actually prefer picks going forward.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Well, no, if I trade Giannis, you gotta give me
Like let's say I go to Houston, I get Shangoon.
You've got to give me an All Star. Okay, now,
now he is not Yannest nor will he ever be.
You got to give me an All Star. But if
I go En Goon and I don't want Jalen Green,
I want three picks, or I get a rotational player,
a Max Christie level player. So I get an All Star,
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a lower end All Star. I get a rotational guy,
first guy off the bench, and three picks. I think
those three picks today going forward or much better than
three picks ten years ago. That's my take on what's
happening with nil. It's fortifying college basketball.
Speaker 8 (19:24):
I like it.
Speaker 7 (19:25):
Let's move to the NFL, where the Rams moved on
from Cooper Cup and upgraded to Davante Adams.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Davante has just barely been in LA for a minute.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
But he's already seeing a big difference in comparison to
his previous stops.
Speaker 9 (19:39):
I feel like this is what I needed, just based
off the vibe and the aura of the building, and
everybody's in a, you know, a good mood. It's not
like a you know, a dark cloud over the building.
And I've experienced that quite a bit over the last
few years. So it's a glaring difference when you come
in and don't like this.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Oh man, this is just that signing got no big play.
Devontae Adams, Puka Nakua, Kyron Williams, Matt Stafford McVeigh.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
This is a real offense, this whole dark cloud business.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
You know, he played for the Jets and Raiders recently.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Dark clowns. But what's not true about them?
Speaker 6 (20:21):
This more you know, kicking my jets. Well they're down.
It's been a long time. You know, I may have to,
you know, like lean back, as Fat Joe said on
the Jets here going forward.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
They're not that exciting. Aaron Glenn have you seen He's
giving no sound bites. They're trying to get rid of
the dark cloud by just being quiet. The Jets are
saying nothing about this, almost about this.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
The NFL generally over the last twenty years has a
pretty small bottom. Now last year, I thought there were
seven or eight like unwatchable teams, but a pretty small bottom.
The two most hopeless teams next year arguably are both
New York teams, which is, for the record, is very
encouraging for a league because if the two worst Baseball
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teams with the Mets and the Yankees, it would hurt Baseball,
or the two worst NBA teams with the Knicks and
the Brooklyn Nets, it would hurt base NBA who is
more hopeless because I think I think now Carolina has
a coach they like, and I think Bryce Young played
well at the end of the year. If I said
on the hopeless meter an FL hopeless meter, I think
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Jets and Giants are one and two. I really do
okay to be in the Brown Okay, but the Browns
have two. Remember the Browns didn't reach on Jackson Dark.
The Browns have two first round picks. So next year,
if the Browns don't like what they have in the
quarterback room and they're going to be bad anyway, I'll
make the argument that Cleveland could have the number one
pick in the draft and won't have to give away
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one of their other first round picks.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
Yeah, Brown Giant also say it again, say, don't forget
the Saints.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
They are terrible. Okay, I think the Saints are the Saints.
Jets are the three. I don't think Cleveland's got Cleveland's
got the best pass rusher in football, a top five
or six offensive coach, and two first round picks and
should Sanders.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
By the way, did you see Shady McCoy on the
show before us wearing a shoulder jersey. I didn't know
why he was doing that, and I texted him, Hey,
why are you wearing a Josh Gordon jersey? And he
got so upset because I can't give him the frost. Anyways,
final story, Colin is this is interesting. Tua and the
Miami Dolphins. I mentioned them earlier as Mike McDaniel in
Trouble Well. They were eight to nine last year, and Tuas,
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entering his sixth season, says he's noticed a shift in
the vibes in Miami.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
You know, I think there is a coature shift and
I know it. I mean, I feel it just as
much as everyone that's been here since I've I've gotten
into the league. We always hear about man, Yeah, oh
culture shift. You guys have a change of this you
guys are doing this always optimistic, but I really do
feel in my heart that this is a a change
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of scenery for our guys in the locker room, and
then it also transitions to our coaches as well.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Yeah, I don't I've never liked their culture, and I
don't know what's shifting.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
I still something.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Here's where my problem with Miami Dolphins is if you
have two as a quarterback, there's two things. You have
to have a good backup quarterback and an excellent O
line that.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
You could argue they're the weakest in the league at.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I mean, honestly, it's a bad old line has been
for years, and they don't have a good backup quarterback. Look,
if you have Josh Allen, you don't need the best
offensive line in the league, and you don't need a
great backup quarterback because he doesn't get hurt. So I
question when I look at Miami, my take is two
as your quarterback, you don't have a capable backup and
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you can't protect him. But hey, let's go spend money
on Jalen Ramsey and and another fast receivers like I
think they're I just don't trust upstairs for this organization.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
I don't try.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
I don't trust the executive suite out there.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
I think I should be pointed out.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
So interestingly, Tua didn't sniff that Chris Sims top ten list.
I don't think he would stiff yours. However, our guy
Warren Sharp, you know, was digging into some of the
numbers the last three years, some advanced stats. Two was
a top five quarterback in many of them. Colin yards
per attempt, success rate, completion percentage. Colin Tua is kind
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of sort of went healthy doing his job.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
He's directing the offense and playing kind of well.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
No, no, I listen. This is the same system that
got Drock pretty paid. So this is a very productive system.
I've always said Tua is Brock pretty in Miami. Smaller
than you'd like, not any wow physical trade, but certainly comprehensive,
hard working, head down, cognitively bright.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
And it's a great system for quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
But I think brought into our weather influenced. I wouldn't
trust either with twenty mile an hour winds if it
was cold, I wouldn't so, but I at least with
San Francisco, there is a direction, and I can sense
a plan with Miami. It's like, guys, get your old
line right two. As your starting quarterback, you have to
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be good upfront, and they're not and haven't been for years.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
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Speaker 1 (27:05):
So we do this now on a daily basis because
I do think it's noteworthy and significant. Once again, we
have a Cleveland Browns practice, first the OTA's and now
mandatory Mini camp. Oh, let's look at today's June eleventh.
Today's Browns mini camp. Joe Flacco was three of seven,
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Kenny Pickett as always six of eleven, Dylan Gabriel when
he could see over his offensive line nine of sixteen,
and shaudr Sanders eight of nine. I mean, balls don't
touch the ground. So shadure through OTA's in mini camp
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seventy seven percent completion percentage, nine touchdowns, one pick.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
I don't know it, and I'm the crazy person.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
When a quarterback has a college game, first thing you
look is, oh, does it translate to the NFL? Like
when you watched Kyler Murray in college, You're like, that
dude delusive, And then you watch them in the NFL
and you're like, oh, that dude delusive. Like Johnny Manzel
in college was elusive. But then you watch them in
the NFL and you're like, Oh, he's not elusive. He's
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not as good an athlete as we taught. Or Tim Tebow,
Oh he runs around in college, He's elusive. And then
he got to the NFL and you're like, he looks
like a tight end. He's not that elusive. Does your
college skill translate to pro football? Like Caleb Williams, whoa,
he has got an arm and then you watch him
in the NFL and you're like, yeah, even by NFL standards,
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Kayleb Williams has an arm. Or you watch Jaden Daniels
and you're like, he's he moves really well in college.
He is fast, and then you watch him in the
NFL and you're like, oh, Jayden Daniels is fast against NFL.
So Shadoor Sanders. His primary restrength was he's really accurate.
The ball does not touch the ground a lot. In
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the NFL. He is easily the Brown's most accurate quarterback.
Now is he holding the ball longer? Mary kay Cabot,
somebody I trust?
Speaker 5 (29:14):
I go.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
I'll read her stuff driving home today. We'll see.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
By the way, his only interception, in fairness came off
a deflection. That's it his interception. You know we've said
this before. Not all interceptions are on the quarterback. So
it was a deflection.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
But it j Mac, it does feel like something right,
like his primary strength.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
Doesn't it?
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Oh it doesn't, No, it doesn't.
Speaker 7 (29:43):
I mean, I don't mind doing this with you every
single day, and it's kind of sort of fun. Why
are you just so, why are you so excited for
some door? Why have you planted your flag in the ground? First,
I do we're saying it.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Like what, what's what's the deal here?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Because I like to be right, and I do believe
he was amid to a lower first round pick or
a high second. And I do think that Dion's Super
Bowl media parade was incredibly damaging. I think having a
draft room that said legendary was not great. I think
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he was a bit defensive in the New York Giants
one on one interview with day Bowl. There are a
lot of reasons he fell, but fifth round is below
his talent in my opinion.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
Let me ask you, should Shaduur at this stage in
the game go to his dad and tell him basically, Dad,
I love you. You've done a lot for me. You've
put me in a position to succeed. I need you
to put a cork in it. And anytime anybody asks
you about my situation, say nothing, Just do not answer it.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
I'm rooting for the Browns. Let's go. Can you do
that for me? Is that fair for Shador to say
that to his dad?
Speaker 7 (30:56):
He's twenty three years old, basically a grown ass man.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Now, well, Dion's going through some physical stuff right now,
so I don't want any strong comments about that.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
We wish him well. I think dads.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Would always feel guilt if they felt like they were
an obstacle in their son's success. Now, that doesn't mean
he will be an obstacle in Chauduur's success. It does
mean Chaudeur's first contract is a paltry sum compared to
what it could have been. I mean, just reverse it.
Let's say Dion would have gone out during the Super
Bowl week and said, listen, this kid, he'll go play anywhere.
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We are so excited. Come on, Saints, come on Giants.
Do I believe you would have been drafted in the
fifth round. Absolutely not, There is no question. In fact,
I heard this from somebody I trust in the league.
You know, Dion's worked at the NFL network and I
think CBS, he's got media allies. I don't know him.
I don't have a strong opinion either way. I think
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he's interesting. I think he helped college football. But just
reverse it. If Dion would have been positive and said
positive things, there's no way Chador drops to the fifth
round because you can go to his college film I watched.
I watched him play ten twelve times at Colorado. He's
not a fifth round cornerback.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
He's good.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
He moves way better than you think he has a capability.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
He's tough.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
He got rag doll for two years he had no
run game, and against really good teams, he was productive.
He was productive. He may have lost, but he was productive.
So seventy seven percent completion percentage so far. Nine TD's
one pick on a deflection.
Speaker 7 (32:34):
Weak, and Dylan Gabriel is still running with the starters.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
I'm not a tinfoil hat guy, but.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Don't like what I see, don't like what I hear
in Ohio.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
And he is now going to join us live after that,
after that disheartening four nil lass to Switzerland last night.
So the World Cups a year away on us soil.
The Gold Cup starts this weekend. So I'm gonna throw
a theory at you, is that as we have more play.
You were the first American, you played in the Italian League.
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You went over and what was that like, nineteen you
went over and played in nearly eighty what.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Was it previous century? Let's just say century, nineteen hundreds.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Okay, So here's my take on this, that there's a
slight pivot that Christian Polistic and the top players are signaling.
They're saying, listen, two things matter in soccer now, our
stars making money in Europe and the World Cup and
this stuff in between doesn't matter like it did years ago.
Now when you were Land and Donovan were going over
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we didn't have the number of players, but polistics like
I'm an Ac Milan second season, fifty grueling matches.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I don't care about the Gold Cup?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Could I just say that the world and it's actually
it's because of our talent that the world's changing, that
the European Money's number two, World Cup's number one.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
But maybe maybe stuff like the Gold Cup won't matter
as much anymore.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
You can say it, I don't know if it's necessarily true,
and if it is true, then it's a sad commentary
on well, I guess not how far we've come or
how much we've regressed, because you know, I still look
out and I see whether it's a Messy or a
Christiano Ronaldo. And I know they play in different it's
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a different context in terms of where they play, in
the teams that they play for. But and I try
so hard calling not to grumpy old man this thing,
but I cannot fathom or understand or relate to if
and when you are called to represent your country, a
country that I feel is the greatest country in the world,
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you saying no, I'm willing to give Christian Polisics some grace.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
If he needs rest, that's fine. I will remind.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Christian and anybody else out there, last time I was
one hundred percent, I was ten years old. I think
the bigger problem is for Christian Polistic not to be
here this summer is that you got to read the room, dude,
And I think this is a bad look for him,
for his agent, and for US Soccer because look, I
know we talk about politics every once in a while,
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and I love politics, and you know this, this is
a situation where we've just come through an era where
at best you can call it, well, you know, some
some dramatic spinning, but at worst it's gaslighting. I am
not here to do either one of those things to
you or to your audience.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
You deserve better. And the truth is right now, this.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Is a team, the US men's national team, that.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Is looked upon with criticism.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
There is plenty of angst associated with it, and I
think the worst part is that there is apathy associated
to this team. And so in this moment when you
have a chance, yes it's the Gold Cup, to come
in to represent this country and to kind of set
the course in a much more positive type of way,
and create some momentum that you need. By the way,
a year before a home World Cup, you say, no,
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that's a bad.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Look for him.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
How about this is that though we have a group
of five or six elite players all overseas playing well, right,
that our talent pool is not as deep as you know,
countries that we in the Netherlands. It could be it
could be Columbia, it could be Spain. We're not as
deep as France or as Italy. Now I mean those
countries like Germany too, they have rebuilding World Cups like
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they're not always at their peak. But our talent pool
is pretty thin. And Mauricio Pochettino, who loves younger players,
last night said I'm gonna roll the dice with their
young guys, and last night he discovered that that talent
pool is just not there.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
And so so last.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Night was simply a wake up call and it was
it was something that he needed.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
How about that, I think you're a little bit letting
Mauricio Puchettino off the hook. You know, he has a
pedigree when it comes to the club game, but not
the international game. And they are very, very different in
terms of the time that you are able to spend
with your team. He is being paid rumored to be
six million dollars a year, and so he has been
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hired to get us to a point.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
That we haven't been before.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
And look, this has been an abject failure and certainly
over the last couple of games. Ultimately he will be
judged by the World Cup, the Gold Cup. Like I said,
it's an opportunity now to make sure that we are
headed in a better direction. But those two games that
we just saw against Turkey A and against Switzerland, these
are not elites of the world, but these are good
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teams and obviously they've shown that in this form against
this team they were better.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Jay Mackett said this I always felt, and you as
a defender, I always felt our stamp. We were closer
to Italy than Argentina or Brazil. We were not that skilled.
We had good goalkeeping. If we did beat international teams,
it was low scoring. We could be physical yourself, Clint Dempsey,
we had a chip on our shoulder, but we were
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defense first. We knew we weren't Argentina. We knew we
weren't Brazil or the Netherlands. We knew that, and so
there was a certain style and skill level that dictated
that I think this is a more skilled group. And
again I think we should be more aggressive. I always
felt when we played like England and Germany, we were
playing for the last fifteen minutes and see if we
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could come out one nothing. We were just trying to
keep it at bay defense. Should we be more aggressive?
And because that is Mauricio's history, he likes young players
and he is aggressive. Do you because Jmax said this
during the break, he goes.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
What are we?
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Well, every good team in every sport is something what
are we right now?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
With USA soccer?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So we are representative of a country that is completely
unique relative to almost all of the rest of the world.
Obviously soccer is not king, but also when you look
at our diversity, that means incredible diversity of thought in
the way that people think about the game. And I've
talked about this fallacy that is the melting pot of
a national team. We have players from all over, not
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just a country, but all over the world, and it's
very difficult to get eleven players on the field all
headed in the same direction in a country that thinks
about the game and is a diverse way as we do.
If I ask one hundred American soccer people out there,
what is the beautiful game, I'm going to get one
hundred different answers. Now that's not an excuse, but it
is a reality. And so Pochetino's job is to make
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sure if he's got a dumb it down, fine, but
whatever it is, either you're on board or you aren't.
And I cannot tell you the amount of people that
have come up to me and said, you know what,
I will take a less talented US men's national team
at this point as long as they show some of
that traditional spirit and fight and they make us proud
by what they're doing. You know, the Supreme Court tried
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to define obscenity many many years ago, and they said,
we can't do that, but we know.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
It when we see it.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
American soccer fans, they know it when they see it,
and they have yet to see it with this group.
And that is concerning a year out from the World Cup.
Like I said, if you had asked me back in
nineteen ninety four, what we would look like on twenty
twenty five, a year before the twenty twenty six World Cup.
The Men's World Cup returning to the US this is
not what I have envisioned back then. So we got
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to get ourselves in order, all on the field and
to a certain extent, off the field, because this is
coming down the pike, and it is coming fast, and
it behooves us to make sure that this is a
wonderful advertisement in the world, in what we do on
the field and what we do off the field.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
When Polisic decided not to play now, I would defend
him in that he's played fifty match seasons with ac Milan.
That's rigorous soccer, and he just said, man, I need
a break here. I don't love it, but I get
the explanation. Tyler Adams is truly hurt. That's fine. But
did Politic send a message? Could I read into that?
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I'm not sure if he loves this new coach. I
always thought he and Burholter got along. I thought the
players like Burholter now Geo Raina that we know about
that situation. But is Politic sending a message to me
that he doesn't necessarily love the guy that replays bur
Halter or or am I overstating just he's fatigued?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
No, I do think that he generally thinks that he
is fatigued, and he generally thinks that this is going
to help him. But look, if the Herd was in crisis,
right they came to you and said, listen, we don't
know if we're going to continue on with this thing.
You got a week to prove to us that you
deserve for us to continue on. And you said, you
know what, I got a vacation scheduled, So I'm just
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going to bring in whoever, but everybody else has to
come in and work. That would look bad and you
would look bad in the process, and I would think
if this really means something to you, that you would
move heaven and earth to be there.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
To try to set this right. Now. Doesn't mean that
it's all.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Going to go great, no, but at least you are
there in the trenches in the most important moment before
this World Cup, helping this team. So yeah, I mean, look,
Christian Polistic is going to be fine.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
He's a big boy, all right.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
He's going to take his licks right now publicly, which
is which is fine. May him he may hit back,
I don't know, and I think he's going to be
there next summer.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
And maybe in a.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Strange way, this puts the burden if you will, or
the onus on Christian Polisic to bring it because he's
rested and we are going to expect more. Fine, Christian,
you got to take the summer of twenty twenty five off.
That means that when you come in the summer of
twenty twenty six, you live up to the hype, which
he has to be fair to him, but you are
the best player on the field, and you are a
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leader on and off the field that takes us into
a territory that we haven't been before.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
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Speaker 1 (10:35):
Finally, what will satisfy you in the Gold Cup starting
this weekend? What will you be if they come out
of it? They're not going to win it, But what
would satisfy you if they didn't win it?
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Oh? No, I'm still expecting them to win it. I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
This is still the Gold Cup. You can't have it
both ways. Okay, you can't. You can't tell me that
the Gold Cup is a lesser tournament and it's and
when it comes to competition, and okay, relative to the
World Cup. Fine, But then when we get to the
World to this Gold Cup, even with the talent that
we have, as poorly as they played in the last
two games, that you shouldn't expect them to win it.
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Are they the favorites? No, But I expect them to
rise to the occasion. They hear everything that is being
said right now, all right, and I hope they take
it to heart, okay, And it's nothing. Believe me, it's
nothing compared to other teams around the world when they
falter right now. So, whether it's Mauricio Pochettino and some
of the heat that he's coming in for, or whether
it's this group of players that are there or the
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group of players that aren't there, I.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
Hope you hear it, and I hope you react.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
We shouldn't have to do that, but I hope that
it does light a fire under their asses and they
bring it when it comes to the Gold Cup and
then obviously for the next year, and then that magic
happens next summer.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
But they got a long way to go.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Alexi Lawless cutting through his O as my friend, maybe
I'm just getting too worked up. Maybe I care too much,
that's my problem. I care too much.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
You never care too much. One cannot care too much.
My friend, you're a lover, not a fighter.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I know that's right exactly Alexei Lawless, Fox Sports soccer
analyst J Mack. Both, you guys are very You're being positive.
But I do think I do think your assertion that
what are we matters and I.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Do think this stuff matter.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I think about the US soccer like I do political parties.
If you get the right leader, you can turn things
around quickly. We've said this in the NFL. C J
Stroud to make O'Ryan's oh Houston's laughing stock to a
playoff team.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
There are certain sports. Baseball is not the case.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
You need armed.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
The season is so long in baseball. If you don't
have two or three good arms, a closer, and the
media or batting order isn't productive, it can take you
a long time. You need to hit on six seven
draft picks. But I do believe when policic plays and
everybody's in the right mindset, Like a political party, you
get the right guy, a party can be lost.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
You get the right leader, boom you in elections.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
So I'm trying to be positive on this, but when
you see what has happened over the last year.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
It's discouraging WAFNE.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
This whether or not identity matters. You know, you could say, like, well,
what what's the Jets identity?
Speaker 6 (13:05):
Jason, I'll be.
Speaker 7 (13:06):
Like, bingo, we haven't had one for fifteen years. We
want to be defense and then our defense can't stop anybody.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Oh, I think.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I mean, you name an NFL team and I'll tell
you that. I think identity is huge because I think
in crisis, you know, you own you, I own a company.
I talk about this all the time. What's our identity?
What's the there there? What are we? And so my
question when people say, I think it's a very fair criticism,
what is USA soccer today?
Speaker 4 (13:34):
And I don't think there's an identity?
Speaker 7 (13:35):
You want to be attacking? Do we want to be defensive?
Do you want to play out of the back? There's
so many I think, can you pick an NFL team
for you?
Speaker 8 (13:41):
Righty?
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Atlanta Falcons don't have an identity, not very good.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Don't have an identity all right.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I mean with Peyton and Drew Brees, it was efficiency
and IQ they were one of the smartest offenses in
the league.
Speaker 7 (13:55):
So an easier one. Let's go with the Cincinnati Bengals
offense first offense in passing right, that works. Go NBA
real quick. What are the New York Knicks. What's their identity?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Villanova professionally? Yeah, wow, that's a real identity. That's an identity.
Speaker 7 (14:13):
And USA Soccer just kind of sort of struggling with
run right now.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
They just they don't. They got a new coach. Maybe
there's a grace period.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Even when you had the Josie Altador Clint Dempsey teams,
I always felt like we were physical and we were feisty.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
We were limited.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
We didn't have great attackers, we weren't highly skilled, but
we had great goal tending. We had tough Clint Dempsey.
I always felt like we played above our skill We
were a fight, you know, Alexi Lowlett, we played above
our skill level. Everybody knew that that that you nobody
was afraid of us. But in the World Cup you
had to take us seriously because we would play above
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our skill level. I feel like this team there's no identity.
Speaker 7 (14:55):
If you look to like South American nationalist in Brazil,
Argentina flair, amazing fun soccer goal you go to Europe.
It's Spain with the skill, Germany with the skill right,
the teamwork, the passing, and US just kind of doesn't
really now, to be fair, you could argue Canada and
Mexico they don't have identities now either, and that's why
our whole region is down.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
But they got a year to fix it before the
World Cup.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
All right, j Mac with the news, No, no turn
on the news.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
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Speaker 7 (15:27):
All right, Colin, We are a couple weeks away from
the NBA Draft and everybody wants to know, is Yanni's
gonna get moved? Well, there's now skepticism on the other
side of it, with an anonymous NBA executive saying Yannis
is not going anywhere this summer, adding that the Bucks
still feel like they can win with him. Now, Jannis
did speak this week. He's in Brazil for something. I
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saw he was like doing something pick up basketball and.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
Slipped on the court. Now, oh my gosh.
Speaker 7 (15:53):
He said, I'm rooting for good basketball in the finals.
I hope to be back soon with the Bucks. So
now there is skepticism that Bucks will move you honest,
and I will say they're not gonna win anything because
Dan Lolller's out next year, but Colin fifty years ago.
This month, the Bucks traded Jabbar. They had not won
a title since trading him. They took them forever. They
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get Giannis. Do you kind of just say we're not
trading honest, he's our best bet to be competitive, to
contend things fall our way.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Maybe we get back in the mix. Maybe you just
say we're not trading.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Well, I think there's something happening in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
VISA v College basketball.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
The NIL is now we just saw this with that
kid from Auburn.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
You like, so two things are happening.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
The NIL the American capitalism and exceptionalism is buying the
best European players come play college basketball, okay, And that
NIL money is keeping college players like Zach Eedy in
college another year. What does that mean that college basketball
the overall quality over the last two years, Houston, Florida,
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Yukon is noticeably better.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
These are much better teams.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
What does that mean, older players, more skill players, more
mature players in college going forward? What does that mean?
Do not give away draft picks? So my take is,
if you trade Yannis, if you'd have traded him, if
you trade honest. The draft picks you will accumulate are
(17:26):
much better draft picks than ten years ago. The hit
rate on draft picks twelve years ago was not very good.
My take if you go look at this past this
NBA draft, I mean, look, there's about twelve guys that
people think can be border I just read Jonathan Giovanni
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I think is a name. I'm sorry, but yeah, Jevoni.
I mean I looked at his draft profile. Hit about
ten to twelve players that people think can be all NBA,
All Star or high end starters.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
That is a good draft. Hel Rutgers has two of them.
They couldn't even make the tournament.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
So my take is if there was about a twenty
year stretch where you could just give draft picks away,
the number six pick was a non player, I think
going forward, because of Nil's ability to keep pros in
college another year and steal the best European seventeen eighteen
nineteen year olds, I think that means draft picks mean more.
(18:31):
So my take is if you trade honest and you
get four picks, three of those could be much higher
end players than a decade ago.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
So that's interesting because you could go like that, give
me Jalen Brown from the Celtics instead of picks, or
give me Amen Thompson and picks. But you're saying you
actually prefer picks going forward.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Well, no, if I trade Giannis, you gotta give me
Like let's say I go to Houston, I get Shangoon.
You've got to give me an All Star. Okay, now,
now he is not Yannest nor will he ever be.
You got to give me an All Star. But if
I go En Goon and I don't want Jalen Green,
I want three picks, or I get a rotational player,
a Max Christie level player. So I get an All Star,
(19:12):
a lower end All Star. I get a rotational guy,
first guy off the bench, and three picks. I think
those three picks today going forward or much better than
three picks ten years ago. That's my take on what's
happening with nil. It's fortifying college basketball.
Speaker 8 (19:24):
I like it.
Speaker 7 (19:25):
Let's move to the NFL, where the Rams moved on
from Cooper Cup and upgraded to Davante Adams.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Davante has just barely been in LA for a minute.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
But he's already seeing a big difference in comparison to
his previous stops.
Speaker 9 (19:39):
I feel like this is what I needed, just based
off the vibe and the aura of the building, and
everybody's in a, you know, a good mood. It's not
like a you know, a dark cloud over the building.
And I've experienced that quite a bit over the last
few years. So it's a glaring difference when you come
in and don't like this.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Oh man, this is just that signing got no big play.
Devontae Adams, Puka Nakua, Kyron Williams, Matt Stafford McVeigh.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
This is a real offense, this whole dark cloud business.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
You know, he played for the Jets and Raiders recently.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Dark clowns. But what's not true about them?
Speaker 6 (20:21):
This more you know, kicking my jets. Well they're down.
It's been a long time. You know, I may have to,
you know, like lean back, as Fat Joe said on
the Jets here going forward.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
They're not that exciting. Aaron Glenn have you seen He's
giving no sound bites. They're trying to get rid of
the dark cloud by just being quiet. The Jets are
saying nothing about this, almost about this.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
The NFL generally over the last twenty years has a
pretty small bottom. Now last year, I thought there were
seven or eight like unwatchable teams, but a pretty small bottom.
The two most hopeless teams next year arguably are both
New York teams, which is, for the record, is very
encouraging for a league because if the two worst Baseball
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teams with the Mets and the Yankees, it would hurt Baseball,
or the two worst NBA teams with the Knicks and
the Brooklyn Nets, it would hurt base NBA who is
more hopeless because I think I think now Carolina has
a coach they like, and I think Bryce Young played
well at the end of the year. If I said
on the hopeless meter an FL hopeless meter, I think
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Jets and Giants are one and two. I really do
okay to be in the Brown Okay, but the Browns
have two. Remember the Browns didn't reach on Jackson Dark.
The Browns have two first round picks. So next year,
if the Browns don't like what they have in the
quarterback room and they're going to be bad anyway, I'll
make the argument that Cleveland could have the number one
pick in the draft and won't have to give away
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one of their other first round picks.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
Yeah, Brown Giant also say it again, say, don't forget
the Saints.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
They are terrible. Okay, I think the Saints are the Saints.
Jets are the three. I don't think Cleveland's got Cleveland's
got the best pass rusher in football, a top five
or six offensive coach, and two first round picks and
should Sanders.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
By the way, did you see Shady McCoy on the
show before us wearing a shoulder jersey. I didn't know
why he was doing that, and I texted him, Hey,
why are you wearing a Josh Gordon jersey? And he
got so upset because I can't give him the frost. Anyways,
final story, Colin is this is interesting. Tua and the
Miami Dolphins. I mentioned them earlier as Mike McDaniel in
Trouble Well. They were eight to nine last year, and Tuas,
(22:34):
entering his sixth season, says he's noticed a shift in
the vibes in Miami.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
You know, I think there is a coature shift and
I know it. I mean, I feel it just as
much as everyone that's been here since I've I've gotten
into the league. We always hear about man, Yeah, oh
culture shift. You guys have a change of this you
guys are doing this always optimistic, but I really do
feel in my heart that this is a a change
(23:01):
of scenery for our guys in the locker room, and
then it also transitions to our coaches as well.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Yeah, I don't I've never liked their culture, and I
don't know what's shifting.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
I still something.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Here's where my problem with Miami Dolphins is if you
have two as a quarterback, there's two things. You have
to have a good backup quarterback and an excellent O
line that.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
You could argue they're the weakest in the league at.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I mean, honestly, it's a bad old line has been
for years, and they don't have a good backup quarterback. Look,
if you have Josh Allen, you don't need the best
offensive line in the league, and you don't need a
great backup quarterback because he doesn't get hurt. So I
question when I look at Miami, my take is two
as your quarterback, you don't have a capable backup and
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you can't protect him. But hey, let's go spend money
on Jalen Ramsey and and another fast receivers like I
think they're I just don't trust upstairs for this organization.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
I don't try.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
I don't trust the executive suite out there.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
I think I should be pointed out.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
So interestingly, Tua didn't sniff that Chris Sims top ten list.
I don't think he would stiff yours. However, our guy
Warren Sharp, you know, was digging into some of the
numbers the last three years, some advanced stats. Two was
a top five quarterback in many of them. Colin yards
per attempt, success rate, completion percentage. Colin Tua is kind
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of sort of went healthy doing his job.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
He's directing the offense and playing kind of well.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
No, no, I listen. This is the same system that
got Drock pretty paid. So this is a very productive system.
I've always said Tua is Brock pretty in Miami. Smaller
than you'd like, not any wow physical trade, but certainly comprehensive,
hard working, head down, cognitively bright.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
And it's a great system for quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
But I think brought into our weather influenced. I wouldn't
trust either with twenty mile an hour winds if it
was cold, I wouldn't so, but I at least with
San Francisco, there is a direction, and I can sense
a plan with Miami. It's like, guys, get your old
line right two. As your starting quarterback, you have to
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be good upfront, and they're not and haven't been for years.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Jmak with the news.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
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Speaker 1 (25:29):
It's got a lot of you know, I'm worked up
today or tonight is Game three Indiana plus five and
a half at home against OKC.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
I think I like the Pacers.
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Speaker 10 (25:49):
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Speaker 7 (26:48):
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Speaker 1 (27:05):
So we do this now on a daily basis because
I do think it's noteworthy and significant. Once again, we
have a Cleveland Browns practice, first the OTA's and now
mandatory Mini camp. Oh, let's look at today's June eleventh.
Today's Browns mini camp. Joe Flacco was three of seven,
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Kenny Pickett as always six of eleven, Dylan Gabriel when
he could see over his offensive line nine of sixteen,
and shaudr Sanders eight of nine. I mean, balls don't
touch the ground. So shadure through OTA's in mini camp
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seventy seven percent completion percentage, nine touchdowns, one pick.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
I don't know it, and I'm the crazy person.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
When a quarterback has a college game, first thing you
look is, oh, does it translate to the NFL? Like
when you watched Kyler Murray in college, You're like, that
dude delusive, And then you watch them in the NFL
and you're like, oh, that dude delusive. Like Johnny Manzel
in college was elusive. But then you watch them in
the NFL and you're like, Oh, he's not elusive. He's
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not as good an athlete as we taught. Or Tim Tebow,
Oh he runs around in college, He's elusive. And then
he got to the NFL and you're like, he looks
like a tight end. He's not that elusive. Does your
college skill translate to pro football? Like Caleb Williams, whoa,
he has got an arm and then you watch him
in the NFL and you're like, yeah, even by NFL standards,
(28:45):
Kayleb Williams has an arm. Or you watch Jaden Daniels
and you're like, he's he moves really well in college.
He is fast, and then you watch him in the
NFL and you're like, oh, Jayden Daniels is fast against NFL.
So Shadoor Sanders. His primary restrength was he's really accurate.
The ball does not touch the ground a lot. In
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the NFL. He is easily the Brown's most accurate quarterback.
Now is he holding the ball longer? Mary kay Cabot,
somebody I trust?
Speaker 5 (29:14):
I go.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
I'll read her stuff driving home today. We'll see.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
By the way, his only interception, in fairness came off
a deflection. That's it his interception. You know we've said
this before. Not all interceptions are on the quarterback. So
it was a deflection.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
But it j Mac, it does feel like something right,
like his primary strength.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
Doesn't it?
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Oh it doesn't, No, it doesn't.
Speaker 7 (29:43):
I mean, I don't mind doing this with you every
single day, and it's kind of sort of fun. Why
are you just so, why are you so excited for
some door? Why have you planted your flag in the ground? First,
I do we're saying it.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Like what, what's what's the deal here?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Because I like to be right, and I do believe
he was amid to a lower first round pick or
a high second. And I do think that Dion's Super
Bowl media parade was incredibly damaging. I think having a
draft room that said legendary was not great. I think
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he was a bit defensive in the New York Giants
one on one interview with day Bowl. There are a
lot of reasons he fell, but fifth round is below
his talent in my opinion.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
Let me ask you, should Shaduur at this stage in
the game go to his dad and tell him basically, Dad,
I love you. You've done a lot for me. You've
put me in a position to succeed. I need you
to put a cork in it. And anytime anybody asks
you about my situation, say nothing, Just do not answer it.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
I'm rooting for the Browns. Let's go. Can you do
that for me? Is that fair for Shador to say
that to his dad?
Speaker 7 (30:56):
He's twenty three years old, basically a grown ass man.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Now, well, Dion's going through some physical stuff right now,
so I don't want any strong comments about that.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
We wish him well. I think dads.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Would always feel guilt if they felt like they were
an obstacle in their son's success. Now, that doesn't mean
he will be an obstacle in Chauduur's success. It does
mean Chaudeur's first contract is a paltry sum compared to
what it could have been. I mean, just reverse it.
Let's say Dion would have gone out during the Super
Bowl week and said, listen, this kid, he'll go play anywhere.
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We are so excited. Come on, Saints, come on Giants.
Do I believe you would have been drafted in the
fifth round. Absolutely not, There is no question. In fact,
I heard this from somebody I trust in the league.
You know, Dion's worked at the NFL network and I
think CBS, he's got media allies. I don't know him.
I don't have a strong opinion either way. I think
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he's interesting. I think he helped college football. But just
reverse it. If Dion would have been positive and said
positive things, there's no way Chador drops to the fifth
round because you can go to his college film I watched.
I watched him play ten twelve times at Colorado. He's
not a fifth round cornerback.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
He's good.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
He moves way better than you think he has a capability.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
He's tough.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
He got rag doll for two years he had no
run game, and against really good teams, he was productive.
He was productive. He may have lost, but he was productive.
So seventy seven percent completion percentage so far. Nine TD's
one pick on a deflection.
Speaker 7 (32:34):
Weak, and Dylan Gabriel is still running with the starters.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
I'm not a tinfoil hat guy, but.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Don't like what I see, don't like what I hear
in Ohio.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
See the mark
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