May 22, 2025 • 32 mins
NBA Hall of Famer Paul Pierce stops by to talk about the Pacers shocking the Knicks in game 1, game winning shots, and more
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
I don't know if you guys know this that the
Fox Sports Paul Pierce, the Hall of Famer nineteen years
in the NBA, has the most game winning buzzer beaters
made or assisted all all time. First of all, did
you know that?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yes? I was made aware of that at some point.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Okay, I think it's like seven or eight game winners
and five assists in that moment.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Also something like that.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I do think there are golfers and basketball players who
get anxious and big moments, and I think there are plays.
I mean, I've seen quarterbacks get nervous and golfers get nervous.
So I want to start with you and then we'll
move to Halliburton. Okay, why, I mean, you obviously played
a long time, you obviously were comfortable as a closure.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Why I think at those moments I became more relaxed.
I just remember, like down the stretch of games, the
down the stretch when the close game, it slowed down
for me. You know, I envisioned me making a play
or making a shot. I always knew what I wanted
to do, and I trusted my instincts. But like once
I learned to breathe and just relax, you know, when
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when the time is running down.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
It was easy for me.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
You know, as a kids, you know, you you always
put yourself in these moments and you picture it in
your head, but then you actually out there doing it
and believe it or not.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I probably I missed way.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
More game winners or you know, game passes than I made,
but you know I came up pretty big on a
lot of them.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
So but we gotta go through the fire first.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, what did you make a Halliburton? He could have
scored in a layup, turns around, looks at the clock
to the other end. I mean, I mean, would you
have done that? What did you make of that man?
Speaker 4 (02:16):
It looked like he was going so he wanted to attack.
You know the thing I like about Halliburn he doesn't
predetermine what he wants to do. He plays off his
instinct like he drove. You see, he lost the ball
and the help came. So he turned, looks out the
clock and says, shoot, I'm gonna just go for the win.
And he went for it, and his instincts just took over.
When I watch Haliburton, he has a high IQ. Man,
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It's just he understands the moment. He has IQ. He
understood the stage and he goes for it.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, you know, he reminds me a little bit of
a lankier, taller Steve Nash where you always felt even
if Nash won an MVP, scoring fifteen a game, Steve
controlled the game. Even if he scored thirteen points, Halliburton
brunts him scored forty three. I believe halla Burton controlled
the game last night. How did you see it?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
He plays with pace. I mean, think about it. Even
on makes he's pushing the ball, he's throwing. What I
love about him, he throws the ball ahead. And you
don't see that a lot from these guards anymore. And
on any given night, you know, you don't understand when
you want to when your players actually touch the ball.
It feels good just to touch the ball, you know,
But when you have a play guard who comes down
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and you always stand in the corner. You're not involved
in the offense, and then by the time you get
the ball, you ice cold. And so that's why on
any given night with this Indiana team, anybody could be
the hero. Last night, obviously it was Niece Smith. The
next night, it can be nim Hard. He can certainly
get hot on certain occasions. And then don't forget about
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Siakam and we've seen the big fella. He can light
it up too. So that's what makes this team hard
to guard. That's what makes them unique.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
It's his pace, uh, and the confidence and the swagger
he plays with. And I love the fact that he's
embracing being the villain. He reminds me of myself a lot.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
But by the way, the choke sign, what would you
think if you were a New York Knick this morning
on that?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Man, oh man, I just it comes with it. Man,
if I was a New York Knick, I'm like, Man,
we put ourselves in this position. It's nothing you can
do about it. And hey, that's all on us as Nicks,
because you know, right now, the Knicks are America's team
and everybody is looking at the Indiana Pacers as villains,
and you know, everybody want I mean, listen, the New
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York Knicks. They had a parade after getting to the
conference finals. So I'm like, come on, now, come on.
It's just something about the Knicks. When players come in there,
everybody wants to play well. Everybody wants to give their best.
Like some of my best games ever played was in
that building. And I told Kevin Garnett this the other day,
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Like when I played in the Garden, it didn't feel
like a role game.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
It didn't.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
It really doesn't because people, like other teams embrace going
into Madison Square Garden, the environment, the celebrities in front rows,
and like when you like a road game is when
you go to Indiana, that's a road game. You know
what I'm saying. You're gonna have to signs up. You're
gonna have somebody behind the bench talking talking about you,
talking about yo yo yo yo yo girl or something
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that's gonna try to get under your skin. Where New
York is the mecca basketball and it just doesn't feel
like you You feel like you're on stage and you want.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
To put on a show.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, that's what Channing Fry said an hour and a
half ago. He said, he said, when you go to
New York, New Yorkers, maybe it's Rucker Park, maybe it's Broadway,
they appreciate if you drop forty. Yes, they love you.
And that's what you're saying, basically, Yeah, basically, I mean
you're over there.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
You even the opposing team. I remember being in the
layup line. Oh there goes Spike. What's up, Spike? You know,
I'm not doing that with nobody in Indiana. I'm not
doing that with nobody in these other other arena. You
know what I'm saying, I see Chris Rock or hey, hey,
what's up y'all? Like, who what other arena are you
doing that outside of New York and the Crypto?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah, so let me ask you though, And I think
we're gonna have a great series. I do wonder when.
I mean, Boston was a great example. They blew a
twenty point lead. I thought it got into their head
the rest of the series. Yeah, do you worry that
this game is now in the Knicks head?
Speaker 4 (06:28):
I think it has to be Colin because like it happened,
when it happens to you, it can be traumatizing. Because listen,
this has happened on three other occasions which Indiana prevailed,
not at this magnitude as the Knicks, but he snatched
victory away from teams that pretty much had it in
their hand when he did it in Milwaukee in that series,
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and then in the last series he did it where they're.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Playing uh, who are they playing Cleveland?
Speaker 4 (06:55):
He did it in the last minute, and now he
does it again here in So this has to be like,
you have to start throwing this in the sky.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Report.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
The game is never over, guys like play until the end, right,
you know, And and Indiana has shown you that on
three occasions.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
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Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah. So I want to ask you about SGA and
the whistle. So my take is there are certain players
Karl Malone got it, James Harden got it, Jokic gets it.
D Wade did some flopping that that there are players
that lean into it. D Wade was, you know, he
played big Brunson gets the whistle. Yeah, but it seems
to drive players crazy with SGA, who by all accounts
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a really cool dude, like he was such a nice guy.
When you watch him, does it drive you crazy the
whistle he gets?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
You know, listen, I'm always a believer, Like listen, you're
gonna you're gonna have to stay aggressive. If you stay
aggressive all night, they you're gonna have to make the
referee make a decision.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
And he just.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Constantly he puts pressure on the refs every play like
runs it.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
It's like you damn near.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Could call a foul every play because think about his
body type too. When you look at Shank Gilds, he's
he's skinny, uh and strong, and so every little bump
is gonna knock him off balance like he's getting froud, right,
you know what I'm saying. And when you got that
type of strength as a guy who's who has a
thin frame, but you're aggressive with it, sort of like
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Alan Iverson, you know, there's gonna be nice where you
get the benefit of the call because of that because
you're so aggressive and one little bump you can make
it look like it's like knocking you way off balance
to where it's like wow, come on, called a foul.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Reference.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, when as a former player in a Hall of Famer.
It's I picked Indiana to win an okay see to win. Yeah,
just just looking today Indiana, Okay see, if they played tomorrow,
there's some similar deep roster, dominant guard. I mean, I'm
not saying the series is over, but if New York's
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gonna allow that pace, that plays right into Indiana's hand.
We saw it last year. The Knicks got tired when
you are I look at okay s He's the best
team in the league. I'm not sure Indiana is that
far behind. What say you no?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I agree?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
I mean I said this all season long. I said, man,
Indiana's gonna be a problem. You know, I watched them
in the Conference finals versus Celtics, and they gave them
everything they wanted.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
They want to.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Uh, they're one of the few teams that can run
with anybody. They're they're one of the few teams that
go ten deep. And they got dogs. They got dogs, Colin.
I'm telling you, they got about four or five guys
that I could say they can I can say, hey, listen,
it's I could put him on anybody on the court
and I and I'm confident that they can guard or
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I'm confident they can make shots or I'm confident that
they can be their night. I mean you look at
the way that the one that they played, they picked
up full court every all night.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Last night.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
I was like, Wow, they're trying to wear their knicks
down all night. They picked up with It's nim Hart
niece Smith.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
I call the point guard home alone. Mccock yeah, McConnell, yeah, McConnell.
I called him home alone.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
So I mean, think about this, Pascal sie alcomes a
great player. Yes, Like last night, you don't even notice them.
Their guards takeover. So it's like, you know, you're a
good team. That's what I said about the Celtics last year.
You know, there are nights that Jalen Brown and Derek
White were the offense and you're like, Tatum's the third option.
Like I look at Indiana and I'm like, I don't know.
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I think offense, I think Okay sees better defensively. I
think Indiana is more lethal offensively. I think they're a handful.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Yeah, that's that's hard to scout because like ideally you're saying,
Okay Siakam is our second option. But there's nights where,
like I was watching the game yesterday, and I was like,
they don't go to him like a second option, No,
you know, like you know, Okay, see Okay, Jalen Brown
is I mean Jalen Jalen.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Willias is their second option. For sure.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
He's their all star. And on other nights it's gonna
be chat chat hunger on Indiana, I don't know on
any given night who it's gonna be the guy who's
gonna step up. And that's what makes him unpredictable. It's
easier to guard a team like, Okay, the Knicks when
we go on, when I go into the locker room
for the scouting report, Jalen and Katy, this is the
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head of the snake right here, and I know how
to prepare for that. How do I prepare for any
other team that runs that throws at ahead, Nobody cares
who gets the credit, extra pass, extra pass play for
one another. At the end of the day, we'll see
where we're at. How do you scout that?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Finally, Oksey is young and getting better with a ton
of draft picks. Indiana's mostly young and the last two
years they're getting better. If the Knicks lose this in five,
say they give a good fight but they just they
can't win them. Do they have to go a big
move Yiannis, a smaller move KD. What when you watch
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the Knicks, is there one thing you watch right now
and go listen. You ain't beating OKC in Indiana the
next three years. There is something you got to fix.
Do you see that? Well?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Yeah, I think it's depth at this stage. I think
if you talk about this starting five, I think it's
one of the best starting fives in all of basketball.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Agree, Yeah, And so I think they need that one
player that can count on off the bench, whether it's
like a guy like Grant down in Portland. I think
he could have helped the playoff team this year. A
big wing that can play defense and knock down threes
that you can count on, somebody the bitch that you
can just count on every night, Like any given night.
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He can give you fifteen, ten to fifteen, but you
can count on that and you can trust them. If
somebody go down, he can fill in as a starting spot.
You need a guy like that off the bench, and
I think that's what the Knicks are missing when you're
trying to make long, deep, playoff runs, because at this
point everybody's banged up and you need that guy off
the bitch.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
You can give you a starter tight minutes. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
No, it's a little bit like the Denver Nuggets. I
love their starting five, but they just wore down. And
I feel the same way with the next They both
need a really good, dynamic bench player that can give
you fourteen every night of the year.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Paul as Oh was the Hall of Famer, buddy. It's
great seeing you. A wild night.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Good to see you always. Kylin.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
All right, Paul Pierce. Yes, most game winning buzzer beaters
made are assistant on in NBA history. Jmack with the News.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
No news, this is the herd Line news.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
All right.
Speaker 7 (13:39):
Con let's start with your Detroit Lions.
Speaker 8 (13:41):
You claim this team is one of the best in
the league. Well, Aiden Hutchinson's going to be back with them.
Look at him here on the video saying he's fully
cleared and ready for action. Uh, he looks kind of
ferocious in his video. Here's Aiden Hutchison on returning to
the Lions.
Speaker 9 (13:57):
I got cleared a while back, and now I'm just
I'm wrong with the boys now and it feels like
it feels like I'm back to being myself again, and yeah,
I'm really looking forward to the season. I'm looking forward
to I mean, I think this is the most excited
I've been for OTAs in my life. This is the
biggest hiatus I've had without playing ball, So I am
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I'm pumped.
Speaker 8 (14:23):
We talk about windows opening and closing in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
Lions have had.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
A really strong two year run, gulling, can they extend
it or do you think that windows closed losing Ben Johnson.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Now, they've already paid Pinay Soul, Jared Goff, Amaran Saint Brown.
They've got key players paid. They are not paying Hutchison
yet they have mostly been an offensive franchise. So if
you're arguing, here's what I would say. Detroit's done. They
have figured out. Kansas City's done this, The Rams have
figured this out. If you're gonna pay players in this league,
pay the offensive players. Keep your defense young and inexpensive,
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and defensive players statistics get hurt more, so you want
guys that are young and recover faster. So I think
Detroit spent their money on offense, and I agree with it.
They have struggled on cornerback a little bit. Drafting it
that that's been the kind of the miss for them.
Everybody has one, but I think overall it's anytime I
think you have a top three offensive line and a
top five front office drafting, you're not going anywhere.
Speaker 8 (15:24):
So unfortunately, I'm looking at the schedule for the Lions,
colin a lot of outdoor games early. These are three
of the quarterbacks they have to face before Halloween. Okay,
Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes, all of them
on the road. And that's for a defense Detroit's, which
I mean you got shredded at home in the playoffs
by Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 7 (15:44):
I think they give up like forty five points.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
If you're going to beat great quarterbacks, the one thing
that helps you is an offensive line that you can
play keep away, and Detroit's the second best in the league.
The second thing that helps you was an elite pass rusher,
Aiden Hushison. Detroit's actually built to be really good quarterbacks.
Doesn't mean they're going to, yeah, but they're built. They've
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got a pass rush, and they've got a formidable O
line and the best running back combination in the league
to keep the ball away from your star. So I
think they're fine.
Speaker 8 (16:16):
I mean they're coming out of the gate facing a
lot of teams that were in the playoffs last year. Colin,
you know we're gonna you know what, you know the
narratives if the offense just pulls back.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
A little and the defense pulls back a.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Little waiting there for I see a lot of wins.
That's what I see. Baltimore's a loss. The rest no
ber wins not.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
Sometimes I love.
Speaker 8 (16:36):
Your optimism, Colin, uh, all right, let's go to the NBA. Listen, Hey,
Austin Reeves has been a huge talking point for us,
specifically you are, you know, not as sold on Austin
Reeves as I am. Why had Dave McManaman, who covers
the Lakers on my podcast, and he basically kept the
reel on the Reeves straight front, floating a name you
haven't heard yet.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
Potentially for Reeves.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
There is a big Austin recas question.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
But Austin Reeves, in my opinion, will only be moved
if someone like Yasaid Tokupo says I want to play
in LA and LA only and then then the Lakers
of course got to figure something out and that they
need pieces in order to make that happen.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I am still very curious to see what Jalen Brown does.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
Does he want to be a part of what seems
to be kind of a rebuild on the fly in.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Boston or will he say you know what, I don't.
I don't know if this is something that's for me.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
And then if Jalen Brown becomes a name that's available
that I think, yeah, that's that's exactly.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
There's no way off a Tatum injury, I'm giving up
Jalen Brown for Austin Reeves and picks. Well, no, one just.
Speaker 8 (17:44):
Know that the Celtics are going to be selling some
big money guys.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
Now.
Speaker 8 (17:47):
Jalen Brown obviously very good played it cal albeit for
one year. There's a world where Austin Reeves is not
moved unless it's for a superstar of that caliber. And
when you hear that, do you start to believe, Oh,
maybe the Lakers know something about Reeves that that I don't.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
No. I again, I think Minnesota's defense was truth. Serum
is that when you put big athletic long players on him,
he struggled to even get to the free throw line.
So again, I think the Lakers are over valuing Austin Reeves.
I think he's a really good player. He is a
four on an NBA championship team. He's not as good
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as Derek White, who's a four on the Celtics. He's
not as good as Derek White.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
I hope Austin Reves is watching.
Speaker 8 (18:34):
Look at the numbers that he had coming off the
best season of his career. If this was nineteen ninety three,
he would have been an All Star. Okay, but now
the league is stacked twenty four and five and basically
carried the Lakers at times a season when they had injuries.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
Come on, man, because he couldn't beat Anthony Edwards all
of a sudden. He's not great, So disrespectful.
Speaker 8 (18:54):
Anyways, Let's go to a guy you love from Austin
Reeves to Jonathan Kuminga. Right now, This one's hard to
believe Colin, but former NBA guard key On Duling kind
of bounced around the league.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
Good guard.
Speaker 8 (19:08):
He went on a podcast and said, if Jonathan Kuminga
is traded this offseason, he could follow the career path
of a Hall of famer.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
Take a listener.
Speaker 10 (19:19):
If you trade him, he'll be like how Tracy McGrady
was when he got traded from the Raptors there and
he'll be like on the cusp. If not an All Star,
he'll be a very very talented lead scorer in the
NBA type guy.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
No.
Speaker 8 (19:35):
When I first heard that, when Zach came to me
with that, I was like, key on duling said this.
Speaker 7 (19:41):
You see the reaction from Matt Barnes. There was no
like are you crazy? Like if you had said.
Speaker 8 (19:46):
That, could kuminga beat Tracy McGrady, No, I would have thought, like,
what are they giving you if he ends up?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
If you told me that he goes to and you
pick a team, he goes to Washington average is twenty
four a game. Yes, absolutely, he's never gonna be a one.
He's a three on a championship team.
Speaker 8 (20:05):
Wait, wait time, maybe maybe Is he gonna ever make
an All Star team?
Speaker 7 (20:10):
Just a barometer? Can Kamena be an All Star?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Could he make an Eastern Conference All Star team?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I think he probably could.
Speaker 7 (20:18):
Yes, Yeah, there's no chance a three which.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Not West, not out West, but out East.
Speaker 8 (20:24):
Remember Steve Kerr basically benched him for like two months,
like he doesn't work in our system, which is essentially
the best system in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
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on Fridays, but occasionally tomorrow. You know, we got indie
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But we you never sleep on your headlines. Tomorrow's headlines
today ge Wolves Thunder series. All right, what do you
think you know?
Speaker 7 (22:35):
Listen? Obviously this is huge Timberwolves Thunder.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
We didn't see good ratings, but it's a huge matchup
between Anthony Edwards and SGA. Even though the Thunder rolled
in Game one. The headline for the series will be
go bear or go home. Wolves pack mentality pays off.
I'm sticking with my pick of Minnesota. I'm on an
island here. By the way, the line has gone from
eight to seven. So everybody does believe in the zigzag
(23:01):
theory here that Minnesota will show up tonight. You kind
of gotta have this one, and I do believe Gobert
will have to be a factor. We saw the thunder
dominate in the paint. They got whatever they wanted. I
think you got to play a little more go beart.
But more importantly, the way they defend SGA has to
be smarter. They've also got to attack the rim. Colin
Anthony Edward's taking one shot in the paint, I mean,
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I know he's a cocky young guy and he's laughing
looking at the box scorer after getting blasted by.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
Twenty in game one. Hey ant time to lock in.
Speaker 8 (23:30):
Remember they lost Game one to the Warriors and Seth
Curry got hurt and they rolled the rest of the way,
but they did steal game one from the Lakers. This
is a team that has showed up on the road.
I think the Wolves get it done and take down.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Okay, see tomorrow's headlines Today Racers Nicks. What's the headline?
Speaker 8 (23:47):
Well, come on, I'm the next guy, you know, like
I picked the next before the series, I have like
the Pacers for a minute, Colin, The headline will be
tip me baby one more time.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
Pop Pacers culture. I'm gonna stick with the Knicks in
the series again.
Speaker 8 (24:05):
You lead by sixteen in the fourth at home, you
gotta close that out. There's no excuses I will say
the role players, like Colin, did you have Aaron.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
Nesmith hitting eight of the nine to three? Honestly?
Speaker 8 (24:17):
Is he you' forgetting that he had six threes alone
in the fourth quarter. The odds of him doing that
again are infinitesimal. I do believe the Knicks have the
better team. Paul Pierce made a good point, the Pacers
are deeper, But did you notice the Knicks they played
an eight man.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
Rotation really instead of seven?
Speaker 8 (24:33):
I thought Campaign McBride and Mitchell Robinson gave good minutes
and again this arrested team.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
Brunson had forty three.
Speaker 8 (24:41):
You want an obscure bet that I made really good
odds that Brunson would score forty five or more points.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
In one game.
Speaker 8 (24:47):
He almost got it in game one. He's unguardable. They
don't have a guy to match up with him. And
I still like the Knicks in the series. They're gonna
take it in six or seven.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Okay, Now, let's just pivot to some nfls. Brought Party's
new contract among other stories tomorrow's headlines today, what's the
headline going to be for the San Francisco forty nine
ers and the Brockmeister this year?
Speaker 8 (25:12):
So we like to pull the curtain back a little
to show the audience like what's going on. Initially, when
the numbers come out on these contracts, they're massive, to
make it look like the agent in a Grand Slam
god has client all the money.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
But soon you start peeling layers back. Colin, we've seen
the Party deals favorable.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
The headline will be purty fly for a pricey guy.
Brock gets dollars and delivers. Colin, this deal is so
favorable to the Niners. Now that doesn't mean Brock got jobbed, okay,
but when you look closely, it's essentially a three year
deal for one hundred and sixteen mil, which averages to
about thirty eight million a year, heavily front loaded guaranteed money.
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They are going to be able to manage the salary
cap the next three years. I know, on the surface,
fifty three million, they are screwed. They can't add defenders.
That's just not the case. They structured this very well.
They have a smart front office, and I do believe that.
And I don't know how to say this nicely. You're
disdain for the mister irrelevant from a few years ago
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is clouding your judgment here.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
The schedule's favorable.
Speaker 8 (26:20):
Christian McCaffrey's gonna be healthy, Trent Williams is still breathing,
Kyle Shanahan's still a genius.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
Colin. This is a twelve or thirteen win team this year.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
That's a lot Tomorrow's headlines today. How rosy is the
outlook for the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
So earlier in the week, you know, the Caleb Williams
book story popped. Not great, but that was the last regime.
Maybe things will be different this year. The headline for
the Bears will be putting the mid in Midwest the
Caleb Williams story. I'm sorry, apologies to my middle school
kids who always say the word mid.
Speaker 7 (27:03):
I don't see it this year. I think this is
gonna be a transition.
Speaker 8 (27:06):
You're collin for them with the new regime Ben Johnson
coming in. It's not like it's gonna click like that.
You know, things don't work that quickly. I think he's
gonna have to change some habits that Caleb Williams has
fair fair and you know, the offensive line is new
and it's talented, but that stuff rarely gels overnight.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
I don't love the schedule. I think this is.
Speaker 8 (27:26):
An eight or nine win team Max and I don't
see playoffs. I see improvement for Caleb, but I don't
think it happens this year.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
I don't think there are eleven wins and in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
All right, fair enough, nine wins, I got them at ten. Finally,
Tomorrow's headlines today, I better get invited to the Bella
Chick Jordan Hudson wedding. I'm for it. What say you
on the headline in the future of those two?
Speaker 8 (27:48):
I mean, at this rate, you may officiate the damn thing. Goodness, gracious,
you're saying so many things about it. Gollin, This story
makes me leary. I'm just gonna present it. The headline
will be bella chick magnet, will stop playing the.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
Field, Colin.
Speaker 8 (28:06):
This is a tough one, honestly, Like, I'm kind of
happy for them. It's a great story for Belichick, you know.
I think it was Edelman who pointed out at best
Belichick does not like distractions and noise, and that's all
this is.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
There is some chatter from one of our guests.
Speaker 8 (28:22):
I forget who that said North Carolina's not happy with
this spotlight.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
I think it's gonna be okay. The schedule is kind
of weak.
Speaker 8 (28:30):
But I don't know too much about the North Carolina
talent on that team. I just trust Belichick, Michael Lombardi
a company to get it done. Yeah, And I think
all this negative press in the summer will probably go
away during the season as soon as Carolina starts winning, right.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Well, yeah, I mean, I don't know if we have
Carolina's schedule. I think the great advantage to Dion Sanders
going to Colorado is the Big twelves week, Yeah, right, Like,
like what would they do in the Big Ten or
the SEC. They'd be like a three win team. The
right now is the worst Big conference of the four.
It's the worst, I mean, and it'd be different. And
I respect the hell out of Clemson, but they're not
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playing nil games. So that that they have a really
good quarterback this year and a great coach, but they're
not they're not paying for the players like Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan,
Notre Dame, LSU. So when I look at North Carolina,
as long as they're competent at quarterback, Richmond, Charlotte, I
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mean this would this would be a tougher basketball schedule.
You UCF, CAL, Syracuse, Stanford, I do.
Speaker 7 (29:35):
See you and the opener they heading in Clemson.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Right this These are really good academic schools, Wake Forest
stand this looks like a rating of the top ten
academic schools, wake Forest, Stanford, Syracuse, Virginia Cal. This is
a nine win schedule.
Speaker 8 (29:52):
Well, North Carolina is a great academic school, and it's.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yes, And I think, I mean, what is what's the
what's their unwinnable road game at Syracuse? They're on a
road game. They won't be a seven point dog in
any of these games. I think Clemson will be favored
by a touchdown. That's about it.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
I think you can just roll into berserkly in October and.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, hell yeah, yeah, I think you can. I think
everybody has my entire life. I mean, that is as
easy as a college football schedule.
Speaker 8 (30:22):
Get it's favorable. I mean I said they would be
on the fringe of the playoff. I don't know, we'll
see how that Clemson result is. If you're very high
on kid club Nick.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Huh oh, I think he's pretty good. Yeah, I mean
I don't know. Again, a year ago, you guys all
told me quin yours was a first round pick. He's
a good college quarterback. I think the kid at Penn State,
the kid at Clemson, and Arch Manning are your three
guys when.
Speaker 8 (30:45):
Yours went to back to back college football playoffs. Like
he's a damn good college quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (30:50):
I think Club Nick's okay.
Speaker 8 (30:52):
The supporting cast, like you said, they're not really heavy
on the edge.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
So yeah, I'm just saying when I watched him, I
thought that's an NFL quarterback. I don't know what it is,
but it looks like you know, I mean, listen, Will
Howard went like in the fifth round or something like that.
He's better than Will Howard.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Yes, I would agree on that, yes, certain.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, all right, J Matt, good stuff. Today Paul Pierce
stopped by both Channing Fry and Paul Pierce said the
same thing, and they got a lot of games in
New York. Channing Fry's career started there. Is that when
you're an opponent, going to New York does not feel
like a road game. It feels like you're on Broadway
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or you're at Rucker Park. The audience in New York
is a very smart, savvy sports audience. Similarly they are
with plays and the arts and literature. And I think
when you go to New York, NBA has been a
star driven league. NBA appreciates stars. Jordan had some of
his great games there. Kobe loved to play there. Go
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ask any NBA player, it's showoff time. And that was
one of the things last night. Which team was loosest.
It wasn't the Knicks. The road small market Pacers played
much looser basketball. They had their legs because they have
so much depth, so their long rain shooting was great.
They played loose basketball because they play out tempo, and
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that's how they play loose. Everybody touches it. The Knicks
at home got tight and looked a little tired. When
you struggle to hit threes. That's usually an indication you
didn't forget how to shoot. You're tired, you've lost your legs.
Like Denver shooting poorly late in games. They were tired.
So wow, fun show. First Things First in Indie, next
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couple of days. Looking forward to seeing that, See you
next week. It's the hurt.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
I don't know if you guys know this that the
Fox Sports Paul Pierce, the Hall of Famer nineteen years
in the NBA, has the most game winning buzzer beaters
made or assisted all all time. First of all, did
you know that?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yes? I was made aware of that at some point.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Okay, I think it's like seven or eight game winners
and five assists in that moment.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Also something like that.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I do think there are golfers and basketball players who
get anxious and big moments, and I think there are plays.
I mean, I've seen quarterbacks get nervous and golfers get nervous.
So I want to start with you and then we'll
move to Halliburton. Okay, why, I mean, you obviously played
a long time, you obviously were comfortable as a closure.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Why I think at those moments I became more relaxed.
I just remember, like down the stretch of games, the
down the stretch when the close game, it slowed down
for me. You know, I envisioned me making a play
or making a shot. I always knew what I wanted
to do, and I trusted my instincts. But like once
I learned to breathe and just relax, you know, when
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when the time is running down.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
It was easy for me.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
You know, as a kids, you know, you you always
put yourself in these moments and you picture it in
your head, but then you actually out there doing it
and believe it or not.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I probably I missed way.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
More game winners or you know, game passes than I made,
but you know I came up pretty big on a
lot of them.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
So but we gotta go through the fire first.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, what did you make a Halliburton? He could have
scored in a layup, turns around, looks at the clock
to the other end. I mean, I mean, would you
have done that? What did you make of that man?
Speaker 4 (02:16):
It looked like he was going so he wanted to attack.
You know the thing I like about Halliburn he doesn't
predetermine what he wants to do. He plays off his
instinct like he drove. You see, he lost the ball
and the help came. So he turned, looks out the
clock and says, shoot, I'm gonna just go for the win.
And he went for it, and his instincts just took over.
When I watch Haliburton, he has a high IQ. Man,
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It's just he understands the moment. He has IQ. He
understood the stage and he goes for it.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, you know, he reminds me a little bit of
a lankier, taller Steve Nash where you always felt even
if Nash won an MVP, scoring fifteen a game, Steve
controlled the game. Even if he scored thirteen points, Halliburton
brunts him scored forty three. I believe halla Burton controlled
the game last night. How did you see it?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
He plays with pace. I mean, think about it. Even
on makes he's pushing the ball, he's throwing. What I
love about him, he throws the ball ahead. And you
don't see that a lot from these guards anymore. And
on any given night, you know, you don't understand when
you want to when your players actually touch the ball.
It feels good just to touch the ball, you know,
But when you have a play guard who comes down
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and you always stand in the corner. You're not involved
in the offense, and then by the time you get
the ball, you ice cold. And so that's why on
any given night with this Indiana team, anybody could be
the hero. Last night, obviously it was Niece Smith. The
next night, it can be nim Hard. He can certainly
get hot on certain occasions. And then don't forget about
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Siakam and we've seen the big fella. He can light
it up too. So that's what makes this team hard
to guard. That's what makes them unique.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
It's his pace, uh, and the confidence and the swagger
he plays with. And I love the fact that he's
embracing being the villain. He reminds me of myself a lot.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
But by the way, the choke sign, what would you
think if you were a New York Knick this morning
on that?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Man, oh man, I just it comes with it. Man,
if I was a New York Knick, I'm like, Man,
we put ourselves in this position. It's nothing you can
do about it. And hey, that's all on us as Nicks,
because you know, right now, the Knicks are America's team
and everybody is looking at the Indiana Pacers as villains,
and you know, everybody want I mean, listen, the New
(04:32):
York Knicks. They had a parade after getting to the
conference finals. So I'm like, come on, now, come on.
It's just something about the Knicks. When players come in there,
everybody wants to play well. Everybody wants to give their best.
Like some of my best games ever played was in
that building. And I told Kevin Garnett this the other day,
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Like when I played in the Garden, it didn't feel
like a role game.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
It didn't.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
It really doesn't because people, like other teams embrace going
into Madison Square Garden, the environment, the celebrities in front rows,
and like when you like a road game is when
you go to Indiana, that's a road game. You know
what I'm saying. You're gonna have to signs up. You're
gonna have somebody behind the bench talking talking about you,
talking about yo yo yo yo yo girl or something
(05:20):
that's gonna try to get under your skin. Where New
York is the mecca basketball and it just doesn't feel
like you You feel like you're on stage and you want.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
To put on a show.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, that's what Channing Fry said an hour and a
half ago. He said, he said, when you go to
New York, New Yorkers, maybe it's Rucker Park, maybe it's Broadway,
they appreciate if you drop forty. Yes, they love you.
And that's what you're saying, basically, Yeah, basically, I mean
you're over there.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
You even the opposing team. I remember being in the
layup line. Oh there goes Spike. What's up, Spike? You know,
I'm not doing that with nobody in Indiana. I'm not
doing that with nobody in these other other arena. You
know what I'm saying, I see Chris Rock or hey, hey,
what's up y'all? Like, who what other arena are you
doing that outside of New York and the Crypto?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah, so let me ask you though, And I think
we're gonna have a great series. I do wonder when.
I mean, Boston was a great example. They blew a
twenty point lead. I thought it got into their head
the rest of the series. Yeah, do you worry that
this game is now in the Knicks head?
Speaker 4 (06:28):
I think it has to be Colin because like it happened,
when it happens to you, it can be traumatizing. Because listen,
this has happened on three other occasions which Indiana prevailed,
not at this magnitude as the Knicks, but he snatched
victory away from teams that pretty much had it in
their hand when he did it in Milwaukee in that series,
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and then in the last series he did it where they're.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Playing uh, who are they playing Cleveland?
Speaker 4 (06:55):
He did it in the last minute, and now he
does it again here in So this has to be like,
you have to start throwing this in the sky.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Report.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
The game is never over, guys like play until the end, right,
you know, And and Indiana has shown you that on
three occasions.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
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Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah. So I want to ask you about SGA and
the whistle. So my take is there are certain players
Karl Malone got it, James Harden got it, Jokic gets it.
D Wade did some flopping that that there are players
that lean into it. D Wade was, you know, he
played big Brunson gets the whistle. Yeah, but it seems
to drive players crazy with SGA, who by all accounts
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a really cool dude, like he was such a nice guy.
When you watch him, does it drive you crazy the
whistle he gets?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
You know, listen, I'm always a believer, Like listen, you're
gonna you're gonna have to stay aggressive. If you stay
aggressive all night, they you're gonna have to make the
referee make a decision.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
And he just.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Constantly he puts pressure on the refs every play like
runs it.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
It's like you damn near.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Could call a foul every play because think about his
body type too. When you look at Shank Gilds, he's
he's skinny, uh and strong, and so every little bump
is gonna knock him off balance like he's getting froud, right,
you know what I'm saying. And when you got that
type of strength as a guy who's who has a
thin frame, but you're aggressive with it, sort of like
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Alan Iverson, you know, there's gonna be nice where you
get the benefit of the call because of that because
you're so aggressive and one little bump you can make
it look like it's like knocking you way off balance
to where it's like wow, come on, called a foul.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Reference.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, when as a former player in a Hall of Famer.
It's I picked Indiana to win an okay see to win. Yeah,
just just looking today Indiana, Okay see, if they played tomorrow,
there's some similar deep roster, dominant guard. I mean, I'm
not saying the series is over, but if New York's
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gonna allow that pace, that plays right into Indiana's hand.
We saw it last year. The Knicks got tired when
you are I look at okay s He's the best
team in the league. I'm not sure Indiana is that
far behind. What say you no?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I agree?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
I mean I said this all season long. I said, man,
Indiana's gonna be a problem. You know, I watched them
in the Conference finals versus Celtics, and they gave them
everything they wanted.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
They want to.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Uh, they're one of the few teams that can run
with anybody. They're they're one of the few teams that
go ten deep. And they got dogs. They got dogs, Colin.
I'm telling you, they got about four or five guys
that I could say they can I can say, hey, listen,
it's I could put him on anybody on the court
and I and I'm confident that they can guard or
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I'm confident they can make shots or I'm confident that
they can be their night. I mean you look at
the way that the one that they played, they picked
up full court every all night.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Last night.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
I was like, Wow, they're trying to wear their knicks
down all night. They picked up with It's nim Hart
niece Smith.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
I call the point guard home alone. Mccock yeah, McConnell, yeah, McConnell.
I called him home alone.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
So I mean, think about this, Pascal sie alcomes a
great player. Yes, Like last night, you don't even notice them.
Their guards takeover. So it's like, you know, you're a
good team. That's what I said about the Celtics last year.
You know, there are nights that Jalen Brown and Derek
White were the offense and you're like, Tatum's the third option.
Like I look at Indiana and I'm like, I don't know.
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I think offense, I think Okay sees better defensively. I
think Indiana is more lethal offensively. I think they're a handful.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Yeah, that's that's hard to scout because like ideally you're saying,
Okay Siakam is our second option. But there's nights where,
like I was watching the game yesterday, and I was like,
they don't go to him like a second option, No,
you know, like you know, Okay, see Okay, Jalen Brown
is I mean Jalen Jalen.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Willias is their second option. For sure.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
He's their all star. And on other nights it's gonna
be chat chat hunger on Indiana, I don't know on
any given night who it's gonna be the guy who's
gonna step up. And that's what makes him unpredictable. It's
easier to guard a team like, Okay, the Knicks when
we go on, when I go into the locker room
for the scouting report, Jalen and Katy, this is the
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head of the snake right here, and I know how
to prepare for that. How do I prepare for any
other team that runs that throws at ahead, Nobody cares
who gets the credit, extra pass, extra pass play for
one another. At the end of the day, we'll see
where we're at. How do you scout that?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Finally, Oksey is young and getting better with a ton
of draft picks. Indiana's mostly young and the last two
years they're getting better. If the Knicks lose this in five,
say they give a good fight but they just they
can't win them. Do they have to go a big
move Yiannis, a smaller move KD. What when you watch
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the Knicks, is there one thing you watch right now
and go listen. You ain't beating OKC in Indiana the
next three years. There is something you got to fix.
Do you see that? Well?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Yeah, I think it's depth at this stage. I think
if you talk about this starting five, I think it's
one of the best starting fives in all of basketball.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Agree, Yeah, And so I think they need that one
player that can count on off the bench, whether it's
like a guy like Grant down in Portland. I think
he could have helped the playoff team this year. A
big wing that can play defense and knock down threes
that you can count on, somebody the bitch that you
can just count on every night, Like any given night.
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He can give you fifteen, ten to fifteen, but you
can count on that and you can trust them. If
somebody go down, he can fill in as a starting spot.
You need a guy like that off the bench, and
I think that's what the Knicks are missing when you're
trying to make long, deep, playoff runs, because at this
point everybody's banged up and you need that guy off
the bitch.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
You can give you a starter tight minutes. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
No, it's a little bit like the Denver Nuggets. I
love their starting five, but they just wore down. And
I feel the same way with the next They both
need a really good, dynamic bench player that can give
you fourteen every night of the year.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Paul as Oh was the Hall of Famer, buddy. It's
great seeing you. A wild night.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Good to see you always. Kylin.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
All right, Paul Pierce. Yes, most game winning buzzer beaters
made are assistant on in NBA history. Jmack with the News.
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Speaker 6 (13:39):
All right.
Speaker 7 (13:39):
Con let's start with your Detroit Lions.
Speaker 8 (13:41):
You claim this team is one of the best in
the league. Well, Aiden Hutchinson's going to be back with them.
Look at him here on the video saying he's fully
cleared and ready for action. Uh, he looks kind of
ferocious in his video. Here's Aiden Hutchison on returning to
the Lions.
Speaker 9 (13:57):
I got cleared a while back, and now I'm just
I'm wrong with the boys now and it feels like
it feels like I'm back to being myself again, and yeah,
I'm really looking forward to the season. I'm looking forward
to I mean, I think this is the most excited
I've been for OTAs in my life. This is the
biggest hiatus I've had without playing ball, So I am
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I'm pumped.
Speaker 8 (14:23):
We talk about windows opening and closing in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
Lions have had.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
A really strong two year run, gulling, can they extend
it or do you think that windows closed losing Ben Johnson.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Now, they've already paid Pinay Soul, Jared Goff, Amaran Saint Brown.
They've got key players paid. They are not paying Hutchison
yet they have mostly been an offensive franchise. So if
you're arguing, here's what I would say. Detroit's done. They
have figured out. Kansas City's done this, The Rams have
figured this out. If you're gonna pay players in this league,
pay the offensive players. Keep your defense young and inexpensive,
(14:58):
and defensive players statistics get hurt more, so you want
guys that are young and recover faster. So I think
Detroit spent their money on offense, and I agree with it.
They have struggled on cornerback a little bit. Drafting it
that that's been the kind of the miss for them.
Everybody has one, but I think overall it's anytime I
think you have a top three offensive line and a
top five front office drafting, you're not going anywhere.
Speaker 8 (15:24):
So unfortunately, I'm looking at the schedule for the Lions,
colin a lot of outdoor games early. These are three
of the quarterbacks they have to face before Halloween. Okay,
Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes, all of them
on the road. And that's for a defense Detroit's, which
I mean you got shredded at home in the playoffs
by Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 7 (15:44):
I think they give up like forty five points.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
If you're going to beat great quarterbacks, the one thing
that helps you is an offensive line that you can
play keep away, and Detroit's the second best in the league.
The second thing that helps you was an elite pass rusher,
Aiden Hushison. Detroit's actually built to be really good quarterbacks.
Doesn't mean they're going to, yeah, but they're built. They've
(16:07):
got a pass rush, and they've got a formidable O
line and the best running back combination in the league
to keep the ball away from your star. So I
think they're fine.
Speaker 8 (16:16):
I mean they're coming out of the gate facing a
lot of teams that were in the playoffs last year. Colin,
you know we're gonna you know what, you know the
narratives if the offense just pulls back.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
A little and the defense pulls back a.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Little waiting there for I see a lot of wins.
That's what I see. Baltimore's a loss. The rest no
ber wins not.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
Sometimes I love.
Speaker 8 (16:36):
Your optimism, Colin, uh, all right, let's go to the NBA. Listen, Hey,
Austin Reeves has been a huge talking point for us,
specifically you are, you know, not as sold on Austin
Reeves as I am. Why had Dave McManaman, who covers
the Lakers on my podcast, and he basically kept the
reel on the Reeves straight front, floating a name you
haven't heard yet.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
Potentially for Reeves.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
There is a big Austin recas question.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
But Austin Reeves, in my opinion, will only be moved
if someone like Yasaid Tokupo says I want to play
in LA and LA only and then then the Lakers
of course got to figure something out and that they
need pieces in order to make that happen.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I am still very curious to see what Jalen Brown does.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
Does he want to be a part of what seems
to be kind of a rebuild on the fly in.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Boston or will he say you know what, I don't.
I don't know if this is something that's for me.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
And then if Jalen Brown becomes a name that's available
that I think, yeah, that's that's exactly.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
There's no way off a Tatum injury, I'm giving up
Jalen Brown for Austin Reeves and picks. Well, no, one just.
Speaker 8 (17:44):
Know that the Celtics are going to be selling some
big money guys.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
Now.
Speaker 8 (17:47):
Jalen Brown obviously very good played it cal albeit for
one year. There's a world where Austin Reeves is not
moved unless it's for a superstar of that caliber. And
when you hear that, do you start to believe, Oh,
maybe the Lakers know something about Reeves that that I don't.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
No. I again, I think Minnesota's defense was truth. Serum
is that when you put big athletic long players on him,
he struggled to even get to the free throw line.
So again, I think the Lakers are over valuing Austin Reeves.
I think he's a really good player. He is a
four on an NBA championship team. He's not as good
(18:26):
as Derek White, who's a four on the Celtics. He's
not as good as Derek White.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
I hope Austin Reves is watching.
Speaker 8 (18:34):
Look at the numbers that he had coming off the
best season of his career. If this was nineteen ninety three,
he would have been an All Star. Okay, but now
the league is stacked twenty four and five and basically
carried the Lakers at times a season when they had injuries.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
Come on, man, because he couldn't beat Anthony Edwards all
of a sudden. He's not great, So disrespectful.
Speaker 8 (18:54):
Anyways, Let's go to a guy you love from Austin
Reeves to Jonathan Kuminga. Right now, This one's hard to
believe Colin, but former NBA guard key On Duling kind
of bounced around the league.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
Good guard.
Speaker 8 (19:08):
He went on a podcast and said, if Jonathan Kuminga
is traded this offseason, he could follow the career path
of a Hall of famer.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
Take a listener.
Speaker 10 (19:19):
If you trade him, he'll be like how Tracy McGrady
was when he got traded from the Raptors there and
he'll be like on the cusp. If not an All Star,
he'll be a very very talented lead scorer in the
NBA type guy.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
No.
Speaker 8 (19:35):
When I first heard that, when Zach came to me
with that, I was like, key on duling said this.
Speaker 7 (19:41):
You see the reaction from Matt Barnes. There was no
like are you crazy? Like if you had said.
Speaker 8 (19:46):
That, could kuminga beat Tracy McGrady, No, I would have thought, like,
what are they giving you if he ends up?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
If you told me that he goes to and you
pick a team, he goes to Washington average is twenty
four a game. Yes, absolutely, he's never gonna be a one.
He's a three on a championship team.
Speaker 8 (20:05):
Wait, wait time, maybe maybe Is he gonna ever make
an All Star team?
Speaker 7 (20:10):
Just a barometer? Can Kamena be an All Star?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Could he make an Eastern Conference All Star team?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I think he probably could.
Speaker 7 (20:18):
Yes, Yeah, there's no chance a three which.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Not West, not out West, but out East.
Speaker 8 (20:24):
Remember Steve Kerr basically benched him for like two months,
like he doesn't work in our system, which is essentially
the best system in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
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Speaker 7 (21:59):
Of the race.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
All right, Jay Mackett's my favorite time every week, usually
on Fridays, but occasionally tomorrow. You know, we got indie
racing stuff. So that's what Fox has, the Indy five
hundred proudly. And so we are off tomorrow, and I
hope you have a big weekend planned. I'm getting I'm
just doing a bunch of stuff and thank god I
live next to good restaurants because they'll be hanging out.
(22:25):
But we you never sleep on your headlines. Tomorrow's headlines
today ge Wolves Thunder series. All right, what do you
think you know?
Speaker 7 (22:35):
Listen? Obviously this is huge Timberwolves Thunder.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
We didn't see good ratings, but it's a huge matchup
between Anthony Edwards and SGA. Even though the Thunder rolled
in Game one. The headline for the series will be
go bear or go home. Wolves pack mentality pays off.
I'm sticking with my pick of Minnesota. I'm on an
island here. By the way, the line has gone from
eight to seven. So everybody does believe in the zigzag
(23:01):
theory here that Minnesota will show up tonight. You kind
of gotta have this one, and I do believe Gobert
will have to be a factor. We saw the thunder
dominate in the paint. They got whatever they wanted. I
think you got to play a little more go beart.
But more importantly, the way they defend SGA has to
be smarter. They've also got to attack the rim. Colin
Anthony Edward's taking one shot in the paint, I mean,
(23:22):
I know he's a cocky young guy and he's laughing
looking at the box scorer after getting blasted by.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
Twenty in game one. Hey ant time to lock in.
Speaker 8 (23:30):
Remember they lost Game one to the Warriors and Seth
Curry got hurt and they rolled the rest of the way,
but they did steal game one from the Lakers. This
is a team that has showed up on the road.
I think the Wolves get it done and take down.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Okay, see tomorrow's headlines Today Racers Nicks. What's the headline?
Speaker 8 (23:47):
Well, come on, I'm the next guy, you know, like
I picked the next before the series, I have like
the Pacers for a minute, Colin, The headline will be
tip me baby one more time.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
Pop Pacers culture. I'm gonna stick with the Knicks in
the series again.
Speaker 8 (24:05):
You lead by sixteen in the fourth at home, you
gotta close that out. There's no excuses I will say
the role players, like Colin, did you have Aaron.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
Nesmith hitting eight of the nine to three? Honestly?
Speaker 8 (24:17):
Is he you' forgetting that he had six threes alone
in the fourth quarter. The odds of him doing that
again are infinitesimal. I do believe the Knicks have the
better team. Paul Pierce made a good point, the Pacers
are deeper, But did you notice the Knicks they played
an eight man.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
Rotation really instead of seven?
Speaker 8 (24:33):
I thought Campaign McBride and Mitchell Robinson gave good minutes
and again this arrested team.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
Brunson had forty three.
Speaker 8 (24:41):
You want an obscure bet that I made really good
odds that Brunson would score forty five or more points.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
In one game.
Speaker 8 (24:47):
He almost got it in game one. He's unguardable. They
don't have a guy to match up with him. And
I still like the Knicks in the series. They're gonna
take it in six or seven.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Okay, Now, let's just pivot to some nfls. Brought Party's
new contract among other stories tomorrow's headlines today, what's the
headline going to be for the San Francisco forty nine
ers and the Brockmeister this year?
Speaker 8 (25:12):
So we like to pull the curtain back a little
to show the audience like what's going on. Initially, when
the numbers come out on these contracts, they're massive, to
make it look like the agent in a Grand Slam
god has client all the money.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
But soon you start peeling layers back. Colin, we've seen
the Party deals favorable.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
The headline will be purty fly for a pricey guy.
Brock gets dollars and delivers. Colin, this deal is so
favorable to the Niners. Now that doesn't mean Brock got jobbed, okay,
but when you look closely, it's essentially a three year
deal for one hundred and sixteen mil, which averages to
about thirty eight million a year, heavily front loaded guaranteed money.
(25:54):
They are going to be able to manage the salary
cap the next three years. I know, on the surface,
fifty three million, they are screwed. They can't add defenders.
That's just not the case. They structured this very well.
They have a smart front office, and I do believe that.
And I don't know how to say this nicely. You're
disdain for the mister irrelevant from a few years ago
(26:17):
is clouding your judgment here.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
The schedule's favorable.
Speaker 8 (26:20):
Christian McCaffrey's gonna be healthy, Trent Williams is still breathing,
Kyle Shanahan's still a genius.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
Colin. This is a twelve or thirteen win team this year.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
That's a lot Tomorrow's headlines today. How rosy is the
outlook for the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
So earlier in the week, you know, the Caleb Williams
book story popped. Not great, but that was the last regime.
Maybe things will be different this year. The headline for
the Bears will be putting the mid in Midwest the
Caleb Williams story. I'm sorry, apologies to my middle school
kids who always say the word mid.
Speaker 7 (27:03):
I don't see it this year. I think this is
gonna be a transition.
Speaker 8 (27:06):
You're collin for them with the new regime Ben Johnson
coming in. It's not like it's gonna click like that.
You know, things don't work that quickly. I think he's
gonna have to change some habits that Caleb Williams has
fair fair and you know, the offensive line is new
and it's talented, but that stuff rarely gels overnight.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
I don't love the schedule. I think this is.
Speaker 8 (27:26):
An eight or nine win team Max and I don't
see playoffs. I see improvement for Caleb, but I don't
think it happens this year.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
I don't think there are eleven wins and in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
All right, fair enough, nine wins, I got them at ten. Finally,
Tomorrow's headlines today, I better get invited to the Bella
Chick Jordan Hudson wedding. I'm for it. What say you
on the headline in the future of those two?
Speaker 8 (27:48):
I mean, at this rate, you may officiate the damn thing. Goodness, gracious,
you're saying so many things about it. Gollin, This story
makes me leary. I'm just gonna present it. The headline
will be bella chick magnet, will stop playing the.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
Field, Colin.
Speaker 8 (28:06):
This is a tough one, honestly, Like, I'm kind of
happy for them. It's a great story for Belichick, you know.
I think it was Edelman who pointed out at best
Belichick does not like distractions and noise, and that's all
this is.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
There is some chatter from one of our guests.
Speaker 8 (28:22):
I forget who that said North Carolina's not happy with
this spotlight.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
I think it's gonna be okay. The schedule is kind
of weak.
Speaker 8 (28:30):
But I don't know too much about the North Carolina
talent on that team. I just trust Belichick, Michael Lombardi
a company to get it done. Yeah, And I think
all this negative press in the summer will probably go
away during the season as soon as Carolina starts winning, right.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Well, yeah, I mean, I don't know if we have
Carolina's schedule. I think the great advantage to Dion Sanders
going to Colorado is the Big twelves week, Yeah, right, Like,
like what would they do in the Big Ten or
the SEC. They'd be like a three win team. The
right now is the worst Big conference of the four.
It's the worst, I mean, and it'd be different. And
I respect the hell out of Clemson, but they're not
(29:07):
playing nil games. So that that they have a really
good quarterback this year and a great coach, but they're
not they're not paying for the players like Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan,
Notre Dame, LSU. So when I look at North Carolina,
as long as they're competent at quarterback, Richmond, Charlotte, I
(29:27):
mean this would this would be a tougher basketball schedule.
You UCF, CAL, Syracuse, Stanford, I do.
Speaker 7 (29:35):
See you and the opener they heading in Clemson.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Right this These are really good academic schools, Wake Forest
stand this looks like a rating of the top ten
academic schools, wake Forest, Stanford, Syracuse, Virginia Cal. This is
a nine win schedule.
Speaker 8 (29:52):
Well, North Carolina is a great academic school, and it's.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yes, And I think, I mean, what is what's the
what's their unwinnable road game at Syracuse? They're on a
road game. They won't be a seven point dog in
any of these games. I think Clemson will be favored
by a touchdown. That's about it.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
I think you can just roll into berserkly in October and.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, hell yeah, yeah, I think you can. I think
everybody has my entire life. I mean, that is as
easy as a college football schedule.
Speaker 8 (30:22):
Get it's favorable. I mean I said they would be
on the fringe of the playoff. I don't know, we'll
see how that Clemson result is. If you're very high
on kid club Nick.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Huh oh, I think he's pretty good. Yeah, I mean
I don't know. Again, a year ago, you guys all
told me quin yours was a first round pick. He's
a good college quarterback. I think the kid at Penn State,
the kid at Clemson, and Arch Manning are your three
guys when.
Speaker 8 (30:45):
Yours went to back to back college football playoffs. Like
he's a damn good college quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (30:50):
I think Club Nick's okay.
Speaker 8 (30:52):
The supporting cast, like you said, they're not really heavy
on the edge.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
So yeah, I'm just saying when I watched him, I
thought that's an NFL quarterback. I don't know what it is,
but it looks like you know, I mean, listen, Will
Howard went like in the fifth round or something like that.
He's better than Will Howard.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Yes, I would agree on that, yes, certain.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, all right, J Matt, good stuff. Today Paul Pierce
stopped by both Channing Fry and Paul Pierce said the
same thing, and they got a lot of games in
New York. Channing Fry's career started there. Is that when
you're an opponent, going to New York does not feel
like a road game. It feels like you're on Broadway
(31:30):
or you're at Rucker Park. The audience in New York
is a very smart, savvy sports audience. Similarly they are
with plays and the arts and literature. And I think
when you go to New York, NBA has been a
star driven league. NBA appreciates stars. Jordan had some of
his great games there. Kobe loved to play there. Go
(31:52):
ask any NBA player, it's showoff time. And that was
one of the things last night. Which team was loosest.
It wasn't the Knicks. The road small market Pacers played
much looser basketball. They had their legs because they have
so much depth, so their long rain shooting was great.
They played loose basketball because they play out tempo, and
(32:14):
that's how they play loose. Everybody touches it. The Knicks
at home got tight and looked a little tired. When
you struggle to hit threes. That's usually an indication you
didn't forget how to shoot. You're tired, you've lost your legs.
Like Denver shooting poorly late in games. They were tired.
So wow, fun show. First Things First in Indie, next
(32:42):
couple of days. Looking forward to seeing that, See you
next week. It's the hurt.
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