March 25, 2024 • 37 mins
UCLA Men’s Basketball head coach Mich Cronin joins the show to talk about the NCAA Tournament, recruiting and more
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
All right, great opening weekend of March Madness. Let's bring
on to the sec UCLA basketball coach Mick Cronin, two
time pac twelve Coach of the Year, nine and three
in the tournament since he arrived. In fact, only Zaga
and the Zags in Houston are better since you arrived.
So we were talking about this last week that you're
going through some real cultural changes. Nil Now kids want
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to get paid. We get it.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I get it totally.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
And by the way, unlike college football where they have
to stay in college, your kids can two classes. Thanks
for flying United. The second thing is the one and
one thing where Calipari sees that about ten years ago,
the teams that are winning in this tournament have juniors
and seniors. They're men, they're twenty three year olds. So
when I look at a Yukon or a Carolina. What
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I see is good players, but I see like men
has it? Is it changed the way you recruit.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Well, the COVID year.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
You know, Armando Bako's in his fifth year, right, you know,
so he's played. That's a new thing, right for us
this and there's one more year of that. So next
year it will be another fifth year class, right, guys
playing their fifth year.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
A lot of graduates that are gonna leave.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
And you cannot fault kids for going into portal, that's right,
and especially if you know you're not an NBA player.
Of course in Europe, isn't what people think. You know,
my great point guard Tiger Campbell's in Europe and he
could have made more money in NIL than Europe than Europe,
but he wanted to get his career started. He had
already been in college five years. He sat with an injury.
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But no, you cannot. It's a different era. Like there's
eras right in sports, right, this is a whole nother
era of college basketball and college football.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
So I had said this that with a transfer portal
and the one and done culture, it is harder to follow.
That's why women's college basketball, where you have Caitlin Clark
coming back and back and back. That's what I grew up.
And she could come back again. She could. So I
looked at Yukon and Carolina and I had said all
the air multiple times this year. Okay, those are the
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two best teams I've seen. They've got the mix of
youth NBA guys.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
So those are the two best teams you saw.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
The difference would be Carolina's bench is not what Yukon's
bench is. That's what I would say to you. The
Carolina doesn't have the same bench as Yukon. So their
starters really, I mean they're kind of the Iron five.
They kind of got one six goy, you know, six
man guy. Yes, and in the one game shot a
little injury happened. All Yeah, Oregon's point guard got hurt
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late in the game, Jackson schell Stead. The other night
they losing double overtime. If he didn't get hurt, they win, Yeah,
they don't. They didn't have anybody else. They had a
lot of injuries. Ordering so Caroline, when you know, foul trouble.
So your bench is important to get through six, to
win six.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I'm talking about to win at all. They'll win the
whole thing.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
That's I'd say Yukon's a prohibitive favorite. But as you know,
this tournament's nuts.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
It's nuts. Yeah. So you know it's interesting when I
watch Purdue, So you know the Midwest. Well, yeah, so
you've been coaching college basketball for twenty one years, thirteen
at Cincinnati, couple at Marie State. So the Big Tan's
got great brands. I think the coaching Matt Panter, I
think it's excellent. Excellent. Is low excellent coaching in the Midwest,
maybe not as many NBA guys. So I watched Zach
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Edyan Purdue. So my takeaway on them is they come down,
they have set plays, they know what they want to do.
They're not going to go off script much. They're a machine,
a machine. I do think the way to discombobulate that
is make them play fast, trap, get them out of
their comfort zone, which is not easy ease. A lot
of people say with Zachi, they say, yeah, listen, a
great college guy won't work in the NBA and laterally
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he's not a great movement. I'm okay with that. Tim
Tebow is a great college football player. What do you
make of Zach Edie as somebody that watches him, How
would you defend him? Let's start with that. How would
you defend a dominant college big.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
What depends who you have, right, If you don't have
people that can match up with him, you almost have
to play zone or double teaming on every catch.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Which that's why I produce that.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Like forty one percent from three because they're literally playing
horse in their driveway like you and I in Manhattan,
beach down in your driveway, right, I mean that's how
open those guys right now? Can they run into somebody
that has you need to now because you're gonna need
ten fouls. Yeah, one guy is not gonna stop. He's
gonna get in foul trouble, right, so you're going to
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need two guys to be able to deal with it.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Uh, And I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
They're gonna You're gonna need a lot of quickness, yes,
to get them out.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
They get very comfortable, get out.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Of their comfort zone. You've got to get him out
of their comfort zone. And Gonzaga's transition. You know they
played earlier yep in Maui. We were all in Maui,
so we talked about that. You know, they got worn
down late. You know they're better now, so that'll be interesting,
but you gotta have it's going to take somebody can
match up with them with Edie, because if you can't
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match up with him, them guys, like I said, they're
like me and you playing horse Man and Man had.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
A lot of open looks, a lot of open looks.
I get why certain programs are great. For instance, you
know Duke coach k was there.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Forever I heard you talking about this driving in yu Kh,
I got your answer for.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Okay, So I'm gonna set it up for the audience, Yukon.
I think Calhoun's one of the most underrated coaches ever.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I coached against him. Unbelievable you talk.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I sat behind the bench a couple of times. I
was in the Big East many years. Yes.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
No, he's as good at college coach has ever walked
the sideline period, end of story.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
They're always great. There's no players in their state. They
have to leave the state for all their kids. They've
had multiple coaches every time. I Kevin o Lee, Calhoun, Hurley.
How do they do it there? And they're also mick
in big games, both the men's and women's programs. They
often play better. They're chopping in the regular season, you
get them in March. They gave Duke fits for years.
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Explain that program.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Well, I'll give you my opinion on the whole big
game thing.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
You know, one thing I think that I fought at
Cincinnati was when you recruit a certain level guy, getting
them to believe, like, we can win it all, we
can advance in the tournament. You know, you get to
UCLA and immediately, you know, everybody thinks they're they're gonna
be famous here because their neighbor's famous.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
The guy they grew up with. Everybody does I mean,
it really does happen.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
It's title town, right right, Well, because of Yukon's history,
we win type Yeah, they you would believe you can
win the title there because they've won plenty more than
anybody in the last twenty years. Right, So they got
the mindset. But you remember in New England, who are
they competing with? So yeah, and for fans at college basketball, yeah, okay,
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and they're an hour and twenty minutes from New York
City for recruiting, uh, you know, Boston. So they've got
the best program in you know, New York to New
England by far. So they have a big recruiting base. Obviously,
there's nobody running around the milk farms of stores.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
That's the recruit you know.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I mean, and it's just it's just.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Not Hartford, but it's the prep school haven of America.
America is all up there. So that and the tradition
and Danny's you know, look, he's a friend of mine.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Good coach, really really good coaches.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Funny dude, though, is he He's a huge Bengals fan.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I just gave you nobody, what do you say?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Danny Hurley literally flied too, flies to Cincinnati once a
year to watch a Bengals game. He's a Danny beats
to a different drum man, which makes him special. That's
you know, he's got a great staff.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Okay, So let me ask you this. If I'd have
said to you, listen, you're gonna have one or two jobs,
one in New York City, Saint John's or in Spokan,
you'd go, yeah, I'll take the city. Explain Gonzaga.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Yeah, Well that when they all jobs are different, right,
some are built in for success, fan base.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I heard you talk about Arizona.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Why the five different coaches, It's.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Just like SEC football right. You know, they the support.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Now they hate me, some of the UCLA coach, but
I respect their fans because of their passions.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
You can't get a seat there.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Their passion, and it's just set up for success because
you're the only show in town.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
It's not against two boosters. By the way, we're all
lined up to the basketball team.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
But we're not going there for vacation, right.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
I mean, that's the thing to do, right, just like
certain schools you and I talked about it's the thing
to do. But Gonzaga is phenomenon. It's just been unbelievable
because they're in a very small league, right, and and
they've been offered to leave multiple times. And it's it's
it's simply because Mark few. It's just have support. And
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then I'm sure if they if they didn't support him
at a certain level, he would have left as much
as he likes it in this you know.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
It's by the way, you know Hack twelve schools I
know very well. Oregon's come after him.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Sure he was offered my job.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Yeah, No, U c l A two or three times
he was, you know, but my point in Oregon and
probably Arizona, Yeah, but uh, there's so there are.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
People there that support him.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
But the infrastructure is why certain college football and basketball
programs succeed over time, regardless of coach. You know, it's
so set up for success. Support, fan base, budget, financials,
recruiting base, they have all. They have everything. Obviously in Zaged,
you know they don't. They don't have a recruiting base.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Now he gets to use a private jet from a
big booster. That helps a little bit. They're not a
big money school.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
No, I mean, what he's done there is amazing.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
So it's interesting. I would not fire John Calipari. I
don't like going on Aaron talking about fire and coaches
once a year ahead. Yeah, I'm not into that. It's
not my thing. But I will say I'm always very
reluctant to support a coach, including Belichick, that when two
things happen simultaneously, you're not winning on the biggest moments
and there's been a cultural shift and you're not willing
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to embrace it. So it's not that he lost again
first round, that's one thing. But he said a day later,
or maybe it was that day, he said, hey, listen,
I'm not sure I'm going to change it. I like
freshman that's who I recruit. And I thought, John, you're
not winning in March. There's been a cultural shift, and
you can't win. I don't care how good the players are,
you cannot win with five freshmen. No, that worries me
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as an athletic. I'm Mitch Barnhardt. I'm like like Belichick.
Robert Kraft eventually said, you're the best football coach ever.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
You have to understand the league's an offensive league. Would
you be concerned that John is not doesn't appear yet
quite willing to shift out of a one and done
culture that just is virtually impossible to win with kids
against men.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Now, I would agree with you that you have to
have older players. I went through it this year. Yes,
you know so, I would tell you, first of all,
in defensive all coaches when people say, well, he made
this comment, he was answering a question, and but what
what gets played is his answer as an excuse, and
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he's making an excuse. No, he was answering a question
in a press conference. So but now you know, at
times I don't like answering questions. The hardest thing to
do is to get your ass beat, and then you've
got to go in right, you know, like you you know,
like you're you're just like you're sipping on water all
day and have a and be calm in a press conference.
So you just lose a game. It's not easy, right,
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So and then maybe you know you don't want to
answer this guy's question because then they're going to say
you made the comment. So you have to be so
careful nowadays in your press conference.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
So what I would say is, do you know that
Kentucky's leading score the last three years has been a
transfer all three years? Oscarbwe who was out here winning
the Wooden Award. Antonio Reeves this year, fifth year player
from Illinois State, so he has embraced the transfer portal
he has. And when he won the title, Darius Miller
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was a senior, Deron Lamb was a junior, and Terrence
Jones was a sophomore. Now he had the best freshman
maybe in the last fifty years since Kareem and Anthony Davis.
But you know, so, but I would say, look, some
of these jobs, colin are so hard.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I don't know how long you can survive.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
So Mark Feu told me this year's ago, he said it,
and it was fascinating. We were talking about the UCLA job,
I think it was before you took it, and he said,
the UCLA job is different. He goes at Gonzaga, I
can recruit a three star kid and develop him. Yeah,
nobody cares at UCLA. If I bring in a three
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star guy. The message boards kill me, the administrators kill me.
So at Kentucky, Calipari would get clobbard if he brought
in developmental players. So, and I'll defend John on this.
I do stay with Alabama or USC football. If USC
football brings in three star guys, they get crushed. Well
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what if your coach is really good at developing And
by the way, you get less ego, you get a
harder worker, you get So I do think you're hawk Is.
You're in one of these six to eight jobs. Kansas
is another. Do you feel sometimes the pressure to deliver
on recruiting day?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
No, you don't. I'm a little different though.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
I want to deliver on game day because ultimately that's
where you're going to be judged. And I but I
you're on onto something because I've heard coaches and I
don't want to name names in certain states. Well, I'm
the I'm the head coach at the state school. This
is the number one ranked player in the state. I
have to recruit him. No, you don't.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
But it's you're gonna get pushback.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
You better win on game day. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
But and it goes back to what you said about
coach Kyle Perry. Is what I would tell you is,
guys have had so much success because even coach k
was getting heat.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Late in his career. Okay, they hadn't won a title.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
A long time, fired fifty year duke go read the
book by Ida, run out.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Of track and the bus pulled back in and they
had hung him in effigy from a tree. But even
late in his last ten years, okay, no title, nineteen
first round picks. Okay, but we play a crazy tournament
where only one team can win on a neutral site.
You know, like these games are going to be great
this weekend. I would tell you who I think is
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gonna win, but who knows who's gonna win.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
It's not best to seven. So it's just so hard.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
I mean, so what I Nolan Richardson said this when
he was on a roll, Well he was on a roll.
He had unbelievable role right with you know, with Corlis Williamson,
Todd day Lee, Mary Lee Mayberry won a title. You
build the beast, and eventually the beast turns on you
because you can't keep feeding it. It's so hard to
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keep winning titles and go to final fours. Like John
Wooden is never going to exist again. It's just never
going to happen.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
So it's just it's it's so hard to survive.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Bigger Phelps and his book said you can't stay at
school more than nine or ten years.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Well, John Thompson's a great example of a great coach
who had these incredibly deep embedded relationships with his players.
I mean, Patrick Ewing, Alonzo Mourning, they were amazing relationships.
I remember when he and Tark were.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Because they spent three four years together.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
And so and John Thompson changed people's lives. The college
football coach is still allowed to change a kid's life. Yeah,
time in college basketball. You're he's just coming to change
his tires. I mean it's a rest area. I'm off
to the pro Yeah. That to me.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
If you were to say, hey, Mick, what's the worst
thing about this whole this era where it's shifted, I
don't look forward to that. You know because my relationship
with players that I coached for five years. I've read
a lot of guys at Cincinnati, Okay, Like Kenneth Nuba's
been with me all five years at UCLA and people
don't know him like they would know Tiger and High
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May and David Singleton, like I have lifelong relationships that
have enhanced my life with a lot of my players.
One of my players Justin Jackson from Cincinnati. He's been
playing in Europe. He's getting ready to retire, he's getting
married this summer. You know, he's texting me when he
went from South America.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I just got engaged.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Coach, He's all, you know, the guys haven't played for
me in eight, nine, ten years, but we have a
real relationship.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Oh no, there's no You recruit him for four years
before they come to.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Your school, and then he spends four years of ups
and downs, right, you know, they all come in, they
think they're going to be great. They're not, so they're
mad at you. They realize eventually they realize you're right.
They got to grow up, and then they get really
good and they say, well, I wish i'd listened to
you when I was a freshman but I said, it's
part of it.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
You know, I was eighteen nineteen two as well.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
But that part of it is the is the thing
that we all if you were to ask coach izz
Oh like to me, it's our dean of coaching.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I still coaching like that.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
When you hear him talk and people think he gets ranty,
he's just worried about losing that because that's what he
loves the most about it.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
And you know that that's what you know, they said Bill.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Walton called coach, wouldn't every day like literally the last
ten years of his.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Life every day. Now, I'm not sure that coach took.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
It every day.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
It took the call every day, but literally.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
I mean, you know, so this that that that part
of it's he's going to miss that.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah, but I don't know how. I don't know how.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
I don't see once the ship is sailed, they usually
can't bring it back to port.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
So you know, we just got to embrace the changes.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Finally, So we both agree that yukon depth talent Coaching's
last team. If I said to you, give me a
team left that is just sneaky good, could match up,
has a little depth. I mean, is there a team
out there that beyond Carolina, because I don't know if
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Purdue Purdue is gonna win games. I don't know. Do
they can they move as well? You can get them
out of their comfort zone.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
What's a sneaky They're not sneaky, right, I mean sneaky.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
No, we know what they are.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I would give you.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Analytically and Anie Test and the analytics who tell you
that there's two teams left in top ten offensive efficiency
and defensive officials.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Houston one of them.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
No, they're they're one in defense.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
They're not in the top they're in the top twenty,
but it's only two in both Yukon and Arizona.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Arizona's ninth and nine.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
You've played them twice and they played great.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I would they've had some head scratcher games.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Okay, well their kids, I mean it's college, yeah and that.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
But but analytically they will be favorite if they play
Carolina because the analytics is what Vegas is going to
go off of them.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
They will be one two point if they if they match.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Up, so you you face them twice. Do they have
a weakness? Do they have something you can They're streaky?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
They are? Is that their youth is shooting.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
They are a team that if they get put in
a half.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Court, slow them down, they get frustrated because they athletic,
they want to get out.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
They just did. They don't practice that way. You know,
it could it could get them frustrated. But iye, test wise,
the team that I've seen great guard play, really good
guard play. They don't have great offense, but good enough.
And they got a couple of big guys, so they
got ten fouls as Iowa State.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Your team, boy Jmack likes Iowa State.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Yeah, they they you know, they don't turn it over.
They do all, you know, the things that give you
a chance, Like they're not going to be an easy out.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
So they would match.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
You're a problem with everybody because you can't score easily
against them, period. And they're good enough on offense, and
they're all experienced and tough. But when you go to
play a game, like you gotta be able to dance
to every song they play, right, it's like a dance context, Right,
so you're not gonna you're not gonna win every game
running up and down, Like how about all these games
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at over one hundred points? Like it's Superman quil when
you play Iowa State, like you're going to have to
win sixty five.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
To sixty and some teams are uncomfortable with.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
That and they can't. They just they can't dance when
they play that slow song. They don't know how to
do it, so they can put you into meat grinder,
you know. So they're an interesting team.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Mick. We got to have you on more often. So
you're nine in far Away the tournament under Mick Cronin so.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Protected my record nine and three here at UCLA and
NCATE tournament. I protected it this year by not making
a ton.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I like your way of thinking that that's good analytics
use that.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Can't play bad golf if you don't play.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
This guy's good. Great seeing you.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Oh it's great to be here. Always been a fan.
Oh I probably made it here.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
So that's great. Our buddy Kevin Lagretz trying to get
me to UCLA games, so you know, let's hook up
and go to a game. By the way, beautiful facility.
Oh that's awesome, Pauli's great. I mean, just look what
you know.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
I told a friend of mine that played at ULA's
coach wouldn't got Andy Hill was president of CBS I
think at one time, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I tell him.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
He goes, how are you? He always checks on me
when things are bad.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
I say, hey, man, I still turn left on sunset
when I go to work, you.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Know, And he goes, that's the title of your book.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
You got it.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Don't forget that.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
You turn left off, come over the hill, left on
sunset and drive through bell Aaron Beverly Hills. Rough.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
It's rough.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
I'm going to lunch in Beverly Hills when we're done. So,
I don't know how. I don't know how I'm gonna
make it good.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Always a pleasure.
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With the news.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
This is the Herd Line news.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
You love them so much, We're just gonna hammer wind
totals here. DraftKings has released their win totals for the
twenty twenty four season pre draft is.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Some of these are interesting to me. Two of them
are shocking.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
So we talked about we'll start at the bottom. We
talked about the team last week, the Minnesota Vikings. You
love them, you had them. I believe in your herd hierarchy, Colin.
The Minnesota Vikings win total is currently six and a half.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
That is the there's.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
Two six and a half for a team you have
in the top ten in the league. I told you
needed a mulligan on that one. That the over, Oh,
come on, we don't even know who their quarterback is.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Sam Donald Winner tells you what the market thinks is
Sam Darnld. So there were two teams that the Vikings
was the one that jumped out to me. That's bet
the over.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
Then there's one team hard though, by the way, the
that division Lions. Two games against the Lions of Packers,
who you both love. Vikings gonna go over four.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
They're gonna be at a quarterback defficiency in all those meetings.
Can I throw you another one? Please do? For anybody
that doubts Kirk Cousins, they DraftKings has the Falcons over
under just on a quarterback move at ten and a half.
That is the ultimate analytic gambling. Respect to Kirk. This
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team could not move the ball consistently, the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
So the Falcons have this at ten and a half,
the same as the Cowboys, Dolphins, Bengals, Lions, Eagle.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Hackers, Bills.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
So maybe that's the market telling you, hey, we're gonna
inflate the Falcons. All the public betters, they're gonna be like, oh,
Kirk Cousins Falcons.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
That is I don't know, Okay, that is so much
respect to Kirk Cousins. They have a defensive coach to
coach that had failed. Most of their best players offensively
are young, unproven, just talented. Kirk Cousins singularly gets them
an over under with the Buffalo Bills, the Eagles, Joe
Burrow and the Bengals, Mike McDaniel and the Dolphins and
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the Cowboys. So Nowboys have won twelve games a year,
three years in a row.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
I mean, it's a lot of newness there, new coach,
new quarterback ten and a half seas okay, pretty rich.
He remember Peyton and Russell Wilson last year. Everybody's like, oh, big,
big upgrade, and like it just didn't quite pan out?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Can I throw? Can I throw another one at you?
That is insane to me? Please do? The Jets over
under is nine and a half.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Too lower, too high.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Too high?
Speaker 6 (24:53):
Okay wait a second now, timeout. I'm assuming Aaron Rodgers
coming off the Achilles. You're like, eh, Kirk Cousins is
coming off.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
An Achilles too.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
There's similar quarterback differences the AFC East. I have Buffalo
twice and a wildly high scoring Miami twice. Aaron's again
forty off the surgery, but whereas Atlanta has multiple good
offensive pieces and an elite O line. I got a
forty year old quarterback off of surgery and a mess
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o line and a tougher division and a tougher conference.
And they're nine and a half. That feels high to me.
Texans are nine and a half. That's what I'm saying Texans,
and the Texans are in an easier division, and we
love their coach and we love their quarterback, and they've
had back to back very good free agent signings.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
How about Jags eight and a half. So the Jags
eight and a half, the Texans nine and a half.
It's pretty clear there's a new sheriff in what are
the AFC South where people think about Misser now the
team to beat.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
This here's another one talk about respect. So the Rams
have eleven draft picks, they have a top five coach,
in the top five quarterback in the weaker NFC, and
Aaron Donald retires and the Rams over under is only
eight and a half. I think Aaron Donald, without question,
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was they're saying is worth at least a game to
a game and a half. Well, also, they have eleven
draft picks.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
You've got to consider Stafford's injury history, and I know
he was injury free last year. You know, I'm the
Sanna Stafford. We are in the same neighborhood currently, I
have not seen him. I like him, Colin. If that
offensive line doesn't hold up and Stafford gets stinged up.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
They went and bought the best guard on the market.
So now they have two elite guards. Their centers last
year's second round pick who was excellent. Moving over, they're
very good at right tackle and left tackle. They're good enough.
I don't think it's a prime.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Defensive tackles aren't worth a point to the spread, but
Aaron Donald you no longer have to triple team anyone
on the defensive line.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Of the Rams.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
How they gonna get pressured without Donald?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Well, they have the kid from Wake Forest, they have
young the defensive end. These guys are defensive courting.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
There's a stay up at night game planning for the
defensive end.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Okay, so I think the Vikings, I'd bet the over
the Rams. I'd bet the over the Jets, Falcons. I'd
probably bet the under. I will say this, though, you
pushed back. So last week I did a herd hierarchy.
I put the Lions and the Packers in the top
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five DraftKings has both the Lions and Packers ten and
a half wins with a group of Joe Burrow Philadelphia
Josh Allen. I think Green Bay is they're buying into
this offense and sow them on.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
That's fair.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
I will also add you omitted the Bengals from the
top ten, and they have a window toal ten and
a half.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Can you admit that's a whif? Can we say like
I had done, I had them at eleven.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
Oh yeah, okay, the Herd hierarchy extended to eleven.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
You just didn't like that I had Minnesota at ten.
If I had Minnesota at eleven, you'd been okay with it.
All right, we gotta go. TJ. Hushman's Auto on the corner,
j MA the news.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
heard line.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
I will stay up with this draft Kings Wind Total.
I will literally be doing this all night.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
By the way, Steelers seven and a half with Russ
and Justin Field seven and a half.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
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Speaker 1 (29:00):
So he played eleven years in the NFL and now
works on a regular basis quarterbacks wide receivers. We bring
him on for insight as we go up to the draft,
which is about a month out. So you've worked with
a lot of receivers through the year, LSU guys in
particular this year, we've talked about Marvin Harrison. His dad
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was a unique cat, kind of his own guy, didn't
hang with the players, So it's not a surprise that
his son's got some of these qualities. Are you worried
that nobody knows no pro day he didn't talk to
anybody the combine? Is it a little odd or is
it just like you know, his dad was very much
an independent, unique, quiet.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Guy when you put it in those terms, are you
surprised Marvin Harrison Senior didn't do a ton of interviews.
He kind of stayed to himself. If you're junior, if
you run four two jump fifty inches, you just break
all kind of comp You're probably still gonna go for right.
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And so is he looking at it. I can't help myself,
so I could possibly hurt myself, but I'm not gonna
be able to help myself. I don't mind it. I
think the problem is we've never seen this. We literally
haven't seen a god, not interview at the combine, not
work out, not do to pro. We haven't seen unless
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you're injured. We haven't seen this before, and so it's
just the uncertainty of what has never happened before. He's
a good player. His dad taught him very well. He
can run routes, he understands coverages, he knows why we
should do things, press release, what release I should and
shouldn't use. He's well schooled. It will be interesting to
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see how it plays out, because if he does not
pan out, people will come back to all of this.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah, so I think he is the class of the
wide receipt. I think there's a lot of guys that
are talented, Roma Dunze, Washington not a burner per se.
Is it fair to say Harrison size talent, heritage family
is one. Everybody else is talented, but they've got a
hole in their games.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
I don't know if that. I don't know if Roberts
at LSU is he I like neighbors a ton no dynamic,
super explosive, really strong kid, probably about six, kind of
reminds me of Jamar Chase. Not the ball skills, maybe
a tad bit more explosive. LSU is just a factory.
They're turning into the receiver factory. You have neighbors. You
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have Brian Thomas. I mean, Brian Thomas ran four to
three to three and he's six y three and he
can run routes and he's smart, and he's a coach's
dream because he doesn't talk to anybody. Like you couldn't
get him to say fifteen words to you an interview.
If he did, I would be shocked.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Roma Dunze had a great quarterback, a great coach, multiple
NFL receivers. Is he worth a top ten pick?
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (32:03):
His ball skills are through the roof, through out of
this world. Like he has great ball skills.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Now tell the audience what that means.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
He just catches the ball hard throws or hard catches,
hard plays. He makes them look easy and you see
somebody else do it and it's not a catch. Those
are catches for he just has great He tracks the
ball very well, he sees the ball very well, and
his hands are always in a good position. And he'll
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tell you that's something that he worked on a ton.
But he just was blessed with great ball skills. He's huge,
bro like when you see when you stand next to Rome.
He's a big boy. But he's such a great person
man like we went to dinner. Such a great person.
But yes, I'm drafting him in the top ten.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
That matters for wide receiver.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
He's a great person, great person.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
We have a history of receivers coming in they break
the huddle first, they want theirs. I get it is
it's the personality position in there.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
That's not wrong. He is a team first guy. Uh,
hes gonna treat people the right way. I enjoy on
a ton. He'll be a good player.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
DJ Hushman Zada is joining us. So the quarterback class,
you know, it's the JJ McCarthy stuff. Reportedly great on
the whiteboard. Also put on about fifteen pounds. I don't
know if I buy that combine weight stuff.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Do you?
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Because he was two old five it was listed as
a player. Now he gets to the combine he's two twenty.
I don't like spindally, I watched Bryce Young. I don't
like Spindle. Are you sold on JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
I am? I like JJ man, I really do And
I don't know how much you weighed, but I've been
seeing JJ since the summer. He looked like he was
a nice size. He looked like he was more than
two o five in the summer to me, unless.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
He's just seeing him in shorts, you're see yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
So like, I didn't think he was two o five
when I saw him, and so I thought he was
two fifteen. He's always been like, nice size dude, but
more than anything. Like, So, I go to the Combine
this year and he's on my flight and we're not
on the same rud the entire flight. The entire flight,
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he is just diagramming plays and going over stuff the
entire flight, and I'm like, is this dude ever gonna
stop the whole flight? And so I was able to
sit down and spend some time with him. I like
JJ a lot. I really do. Great arm, not a
good arm, a great arm. He's accurate. He knows how
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to win, and that's what matters. You gotta be able
to win. You got to be able to be in
a tough situation in winning this all, you know, you
always feel like you have a chance. The guys are
gonna feed off that because they gonna see how you
feel about it.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I learned this last week. Bow Nicks has had five
offensive coordinators in five years, and it's completed almost seventy
percent of his college throws. That's something, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
Bow Knicks leaving Orgon, I mean leaving Auburn going to
Oregon was the thing he could have done because he
was so highly rated coming out of high five guy.
And it was as if when he went to Auburn
he was a disappointment. And then he goes to Oregon.
It's like, wait, where was this bow Knicks at Auburn?
Like where? And so that tells you a lot about
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somebody when constantly your system is changing and you have
to learn a new system every single.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Year and are productive every year.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
And bow Knicks played extremely well in a tough conference
with great competition for two years, a ton of snaps.
I believe he has the most starts of any college
quarterback ever. It's so uh, he'll be well prepared. He'll
be well prepared once he gets to the league. I
think he'll do what this quarterback draft is. I think
he'll do what. There's gonna be some guys that don't
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play well, and we're all gonna be like, wow, how
did he not pan out?
Speaker 1 (35:49):
I think a lot of it is where you land.
As you've told me before, not all coaches are equal.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
No, I mean what you guys do for a living,
J Man Conn or everybody equal to you guys and
what you guys do.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Oh no, I've bosses. I've had unequal bosses. I've got
good bosses now I haven't always in my career had
a lot of stuff. Is just you know, now I'm
old and I kind of know what I'm doing. But
when you're young, in any profession, the quality of boss
is it's much more impactful. I mean, Brady could go
to Tampa. They didn't know who quite what Brady has
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his actions.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
The quality of what you do is.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Determined by my support system.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
Oh that's kind of you to say that's kind.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Well, I mean I can bring it now.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
I mean, and then that's the thing, like everybody can't
do that, And so.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Yeah, all right, we like bringing you around the draft.
By the way, some stuff TJ tells me he can't
tell us yet, but as we get closer to the draft,
when he comes on, he'll drop little leaflets of information.
You're gonna be all'm gonna say is you're gonna be on
a flight tonight, possibly heading to Pro Days.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
But the problem is, I got guys that are flying
out here to train with me, so I got to
figure out. You know, I don't know if I can
do those things.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Don't let me tell you something good problem to have
is being wanted the highly employable T. J. Hushman Zama.
That's a that's a that's a crisis we all need
to have. See you soon, See you guys tomorrow in La.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
All right, great opening weekend of March Madness. Let's bring
on to the sec UCLA basketball coach Mick Cronin, two
time pac twelve Coach of the Year, nine and three
in the tournament since he arrived. In fact, only Zaga
and the Zags in Houston are better since you arrived.
So we were talking about this last week that you're
going through some real cultural changes. Nil Now kids want
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to get paid. We get it.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I get it totally.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
And by the way, unlike college football where they have
to stay in college, your kids can two classes. Thanks
for flying United. The second thing is the one and
one thing where Calipari sees that about ten years ago,
the teams that are winning in this tournament have juniors
and seniors. They're men, they're twenty three year olds. So
when I look at a Yukon or a Carolina. What
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I see is good players, but I see like men
has it? Is it changed the way you recruit.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Well, the COVID year.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
You know, Armando Bako's in his fifth year, right, you know,
so he's played. That's a new thing, right for us
this and there's one more year of that. So next
year it will be another fifth year class, right, guys
playing their fifth year.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
A lot of graduates that are gonna leave.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
And you cannot fault kids for going into portal, that's right,
and especially if you know you're not an NBA player.
Of course in Europe, isn't what people think. You know,
my great point guard Tiger Campbell's in Europe and he
could have made more money in NIL than Europe than Europe,
but he wanted to get his career started. He had
already been in college five years. He sat with an injury.
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But no, you cannot. It's a different era. Like there's
eras right in sports, right, this is a whole nother
era of college basketball and college football.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
So I had said this that with a transfer portal
and the one and done culture, it is harder to follow.
That's why women's college basketball, where you have Caitlin Clark
coming back and back and back. That's what I grew up.
And she could come back again. She could. So I
looked at Yukon and Carolina and I had said all
the air multiple times this year. Okay, those are the
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two best teams I've seen. They've got the mix of
youth NBA guys.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
So those are the two best teams you saw.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
The difference would be Carolina's bench is not what Yukon's
bench is. That's what I would say to you. The
Carolina doesn't have the same bench as Yukon. So their
starters really, I mean they're kind of the Iron five.
They kind of got one six goy, you know, six
man guy. Yes, and in the one game shot a
little injury happened. All Yeah, Oregon's point guard got hurt
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late in the game, Jackson schell Stead. The other night
they losing double overtime. If he didn't get hurt, they win, Yeah,
they don't. They didn't have anybody else. They had a
lot of injuries. Ordering so Caroline, when you know, foul trouble.
So your bench is important to get through six, to
win six.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I'm talking about to win at all. They'll win the
whole thing.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
That's I'd say Yukon's a prohibitive favorite. But as you know,
this tournament's nuts.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
It's nuts. Yeah. So you know it's interesting when I
watch Purdue, So you know the Midwest. Well, yeah, so
you've been coaching college basketball for twenty one years, thirteen
at Cincinnati, couple at Marie State. So the Big Tan's
got great brands. I think the coaching Matt Panter, I
think it's excellent. Excellent. Is low excellent coaching in the Midwest,
maybe not as many NBA guys. So I watched Zach
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Edyan Purdue. So my takeaway on them is they come down,
they have set plays, they know what they want to do.
They're not going to go off script much. They're a machine,
a machine. I do think the way to discombobulate that
is make them play fast, trap, get them out of
their comfort zone, which is not easy ease. A lot
of people say with Zachi, they say, yeah, listen, a
great college guy won't work in the NBA and laterally
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he's not a great movement. I'm okay with that. Tim
Tebow is a great college football player. What do you
make of Zach Edie as somebody that watches him, How
would you defend him? Let's start with that. How would
you defend a dominant college big.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
What depends who you have, right, If you don't have
people that can match up with him, you almost have
to play zone or double teaming on every catch.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Which that's why I produce that.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Like forty one percent from three because they're literally playing
horse in their driveway like you and I in Manhattan,
beach down in your driveway, right, I mean that's how
open those guys right now? Can they run into somebody
that has you need to now because you're gonna need
ten fouls. Yeah, one guy is not gonna stop. He's
gonna get in foul trouble, right, so you're going to
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need two guys to be able to deal with it.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Uh, And I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
They're gonna You're gonna need a lot of quickness, yes,
to get them out.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
They get very comfortable, get out.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Of their comfort zone. You've got to get him out
of their comfort zone. And Gonzaga's transition. You know they
played earlier yep in Maui. We were all in Maui,
so we talked about that. You know, they got worn
down late. You know they're better now, so that'll be interesting,
but you gotta have it's going to take somebody can
match up with them with Edie, because if you can't
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match up with him, them guys, like I said, they're
like me and you playing horse Man and Man had.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
A lot of open looks, a lot of open looks.
I get why certain programs are great. For instance, you
know Duke coach k was there.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Forever I heard you talking about this driving in yu Kh,
I got your answer for.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Okay, So I'm gonna set it up for the audience, Yukon.
I think Calhoun's one of the most underrated coaches ever.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I coached against him. Unbelievable you talk.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I sat behind the bench a couple of times. I
was in the Big East many years. Yes.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
No, he's as good at college coach has ever walked
the sideline period, end of story.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
They're always great. There's no players in their state. They
have to leave the state for all their kids. They've
had multiple coaches every time. I Kevin o Lee, Calhoun, Hurley.
How do they do it there? And they're also mick
in big games, both the men's and women's programs. They
often play better. They're chopping in the regular season, you
get them in March. They gave Duke fits for years.
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Explain that program.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Well, I'll give you my opinion on the whole big
game thing.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
You know, one thing I think that I fought at
Cincinnati was when you recruit a certain level guy, getting
them to believe, like, we can win it all, we
can advance in the tournament. You know, you get to
UCLA and immediately, you know, everybody thinks they're they're gonna
be famous here because their neighbor's famous.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
The guy they grew up with. Everybody does I mean,
it really does happen.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
It's title town, right right, Well, because of Yukon's history,
we win type Yeah, they you would believe you can
win the title there because they've won plenty more than
anybody in the last twenty years. Right, So they got
the mindset. But you remember in New England, who are
they competing with? So yeah, and for fans at college basketball, yeah, okay,
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and they're an hour and twenty minutes from New York
City for recruiting, uh, you know, Boston. So they've got
the best program in you know, New York to New
England by far. So they have a big recruiting base. Obviously,
there's nobody running around the milk farms of stores.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
That's the recruit you know.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I mean, and it's just it's just.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Not Hartford, but it's the prep school haven of America.
America is all up there. So that and the tradition
and Danny's you know, look, he's a friend of mine.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Good coach, really really good coaches.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Funny dude, though, is he He's a huge Bengals fan.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I just gave you nobody, what do you say?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Danny Hurley literally flied too, flies to Cincinnati once a
year to watch a Bengals game. He's a Danny beats
to a different drum man, which makes him special. That's
you know, he's got a great staff.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Okay, So let me ask you this. If I'd have
said to you, listen, you're gonna have one or two jobs,
one in New York City, Saint John's or in Spokan,
you'd go, yeah, I'll take the city. Explain Gonzaga.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Yeah, Well that when they all jobs are different, right,
some are built in for success, fan base.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I heard you talk about Arizona.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Why the five different coaches, It's.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Just like SEC football right. You know, they the support.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Now they hate me, some of the UCLA coach, but
I respect their fans because of their passions.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
You can't get a seat there.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Their passion, and it's just set up for success because
you're the only show in town.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
It's not against two boosters. By the way, we're all
lined up to the basketball team.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
But we're not going there for vacation, right.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
I mean, that's the thing to do, right, just like
certain schools you and I talked about it's the thing
to do. But Gonzaga is phenomenon. It's just been unbelievable
because they're in a very small league, right, and and
they've been offered to leave multiple times. And it's it's
it's simply because Mark few. It's just have support. And
(09:00):
then I'm sure if they if they didn't support him
at a certain level, he would have left as much
as he likes it in this you know.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
It's by the way, you know Hack twelve schools I
know very well. Oregon's come after him.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Sure he was offered my job.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Yeah, No, U c l A two or three times
he was, you know, but my point in Oregon and
probably Arizona, Yeah, but uh, there's so there are.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
People there that support him.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
But the infrastructure is why certain college football and basketball
programs succeed over time, regardless of coach. You know, it's
so set up for success. Support, fan base, budget, financials,
recruiting base, they have all. They have everything. Obviously in Zaged,
you know they don't. They don't have a recruiting base.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Now he gets to use a private jet from a
big booster. That helps a little bit. They're not a
big money school.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
No, I mean, what he's done there is amazing.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
So it's interesting. I would not fire John Calipari. I
don't like going on Aaron talking about fire and coaches
once a year ahead. Yeah, I'm not into that. It's
not my thing. But I will say I'm always very
reluctant to support a coach, including Belichick, that when two
things happen simultaneously, you're not winning on the biggest moments
and there's been a cultural shift and you're not willing
(10:15):
to embrace it. So it's not that he lost again
first round, that's one thing. But he said a day later,
or maybe it was that day, he said, hey, listen,
I'm not sure I'm going to change it. I like
freshman that's who I recruit. And I thought, John, you're
not winning in March. There's been a cultural shift, and
you can't win. I don't care how good the players are,
you cannot win with five freshmen. No, that worries me
(10:36):
as an athletic. I'm Mitch Barnhardt. I'm like like Belichick.
Robert Kraft eventually said, you're the best football coach ever.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
You have to understand the league's an offensive league. Would
you be concerned that John is not doesn't appear yet
quite willing to shift out of a one and done
culture that just is virtually impossible to win with kids
against men.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Now, I would agree with you that you have to
have older players. I went through it this year. Yes,
you know so, I would tell you, first of all,
in defensive all coaches when people say, well, he made
this comment, he was answering a question, and but what
what gets played is his answer as an excuse, and
(11:20):
he's making an excuse. No, he was answering a question
in a press conference. So but now you know, at
times I don't like answering questions. The hardest thing to
do is to get your ass beat, and then you've
got to go in right, you know, like you you know,
like you're you're just like you're sipping on water all
day and have a and be calm in a press conference.
So you just lose a game. It's not easy, right,
(11:41):
So and then maybe you know you don't want to
answer this guy's question because then they're going to say
you made the comment. So you have to be so
careful nowadays in your press conference.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
So what I would say is, do you know that
Kentucky's leading score the last three years has been a
transfer all three years? Oscarbwe who was out here winning
the Wooden Award. Antonio Reeves this year, fifth year player
from Illinois State, so he has embraced the transfer portal
he has. And when he won the title, Darius Miller
(12:12):
was a senior, Deron Lamb was a junior, and Terrence
Jones was a sophomore. Now he had the best freshman
maybe in the last fifty years since Kareem and Anthony Davis.
But you know, so, but I would say, look, some
of these jobs, colin are so hard.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I don't know how long you can survive.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
So Mark Feu told me this year's ago, he said it,
and it was fascinating. We were talking about the UCLA job,
I think it was before you took it, and he said,
the UCLA job is different. He goes at Gonzaga, I
can recruit a three star kid and develop him. Yeah,
nobody cares at UCLA. If I bring in a three
(12:50):
star guy. The message boards kill me, the administrators kill me.
So at Kentucky, Calipari would get clobbard if he brought
in developmental players. So, and I'll defend John on this.
I do stay with Alabama or USC football. If USC
football brings in three star guys, they get crushed. Well
(13:12):
what if your coach is really good at developing And
by the way, you get less ego, you get a
harder worker, you get So I do think you're hawk Is.
You're in one of these six to eight jobs. Kansas
is another. Do you feel sometimes the pressure to deliver
on recruiting day?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
No, you don't. I'm a little different though.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
I want to deliver on game day because ultimately that's
where you're going to be judged. And I but I
you're on onto something because I've heard coaches and I
don't want to name names in certain states. Well, I'm
the I'm the head coach at the state school. This
is the number one ranked player in the state. I
have to recruit him. No, you don't.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
But it's you're gonna get pushback.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
You better win on game day. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
But and it goes back to what you said about
coach Kyle Perry. Is what I would tell you is,
guys have had so much success because even coach k
was getting heat.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Late in his career. Okay, they hadn't won a title.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
A long time, fired fifty year duke go read the
book by Ida, run out.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Of track and the bus pulled back in and they
had hung him in effigy from a tree. But even
late in his last ten years, okay, no title, nineteen
first round picks. Okay, but we play a crazy tournament
where only one team can win on a neutral site.
You know, like these games are going to be great
this weekend. I would tell you who I think is
(14:32):
gonna win, but who knows who's gonna win.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
It's not best to seven. So it's just so hard.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
I mean, so what I Nolan Richardson said this when
he was on a roll, Well he was on a roll.
He had unbelievable role right with you know, with Corlis Williamson,
Todd day Lee, Mary Lee Mayberry won a title. You
build the beast, and eventually the beast turns on you
because you can't keep feeding it. It's so hard to
(15:00):
keep winning titles and go to final fours. Like John
Wooden is never going to exist again. It's just never
going to happen.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
So it's just it's it's so hard to survive.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Bigger Phelps and his book said you can't stay at
school more than nine or ten years.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Well, John Thompson's a great example of a great coach
who had these incredibly deep embedded relationships with his players.
I mean, Patrick Ewing, Alonzo Mourning, they were amazing relationships.
I remember when he and Tark were.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Because they spent three four years together.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
And so and John Thompson changed people's lives. The college
football coach is still allowed to change a kid's life. Yeah,
time in college basketball. You're he's just coming to change
his tires. I mean it's a rest area. I'm off
to the pro Yeah. That to me.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
If you were to say, hey, Mick, what's the worst
thing about this whole this era where it's shifted, I
don't look forward to that. You know because my relationship
with players that I coached for five years. I've read
a lot of guys at Cincinnati, Okay, Like Kenneth Nuba's
been with me all five years at UCLA and people
don't know him like they would know Tiger and High
(16:08):
May and David Singleton, like I have lifelong relationships that
have enhanced my life with a lot of my players.
One of my players Justin Jackson from Cincinnati. He's been
playing in Europe. He's getting ready to retire, he's getting
married this summer. You know, he's texting me when he
went from South America.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I just got engaged.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Coach, He's all, you know, the guys haven't played for
me in eight, nine, ten years, but we have a
real relationship.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Oh no, there's no You recruit him for four years
before they come to.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Your school, and then he spends four years of ups
and downs, right, you know, they all come in, they
think they're going to be great. They're not, so they're
mad at you. They realize eventually they realize you're right.
They got to grow up, and then they get really
good and they say, well, I wish i'd listened to
you when I was a freshman but I said, it's
part of it.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
You know, I was eighteen nineteen two as well.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
But that part of it is the is the thing
that we all if you were to ask coach izz
Oh like to me, it's our dean of coaching.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I still coaching like that.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
When you hear him talk and people think he gets ranty,
he's just worried about losing that because that's what he
loves the most about it.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
And you know that that's what you know, they said Bill.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Walton called coach, wouldn't every day like literally the last
ten years of his.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Life every day. Now, I'm not sure that coach took.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
It every day.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
It took the call every day, but literally.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
I mean, you know, so this that that that part
of it's he's going to miss that.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah, but I don't know how. I don't know how.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
I don't see once the ship is sailed, they usually
can't bring it back to port.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
So you know, we just got to embrace the changes.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Finally, So we both agree that yukon depth talent Coaching's
last team. If I said to you, give me a
team left that is just sneaky good, could match up,
has a little depth. I mean, is there a team
out there that beyond Carolina, because I don't know if
(18:03):
Purdue Purdue is gonna win games. I don't know. Do
they can they move as well? You can get them
out of their comfort zone.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
What's a sneaky They're not sneaky, right, I mean sneaky.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
No, we know what they are.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I would give you.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Analytically and Anie Test and the analytics who tell you
that there's two teams left in top ten offensive efficiency
and defensive officials.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Houston one of them.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
No, they're they're one in defense.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
They're not in the top they're in the top twenty,
but it's only two in both Yukon and Arizona.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Arizona's ninth and nine.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
You've played them twice and they played great.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I would they've had some head scratcher games.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Okay, well their kids, I mean it's college, yeah and that.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
But but analytically they will be favorite if they play
Carolina because the analytics is what Vegas is going to
go off of them.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
They will be one two point if they if they match.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Up, so you you face them twice. Do they have
a weakness? Do they have something you can They're streaky?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
They are? Is that their youth is shooting.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
They are a team that if they get put in
a half.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Court, slow them down, they get frustrated because they athletic,
they want to get out.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
They just did. They don't practice that way. You know,
it could it could get them frustrated. But iye, test wise,
the team that I've seen great guard play, really good
guard play. They don't have great offense, but good enough.
And they got a couple of big guys, so they
got ten fouls as Iowa State.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Your team, boy Jmack likes Iowa State.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Yeah, they they you know, they don't turn it over.
They do all, you know, the things that give you
a chance, Like they're not going to be an easy out.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
So they would match.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
You're a problem with everybody because you can't score easily
against them, period. And they're good enough on offense, and
they're all experienced and tough. But when you go to
play a game, like you gotta be able to dance
to every song they play, right, it's like a dance context, Right,
so you're not gonna you're not gonna win every game
running up and down, Like how about all these games
(20:08):
at over one hundred points? Like it's Superman quil when
you play Iowa State, like you're going to have to
win sixty five.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
To sixty and some teams are uncomfortable with.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
That and they can't. They just they can't dance when
they play that slow song. They don't know how to
do it, so they can put you into meat grinder,
you know. So they're an interesting team.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Mick. We got to have you on more often. So
you're nine in far Away the tournament under Mick Cronin so.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Protected my record nine and three here at UCLA and
NCATE tournament. I protected it this year by not making
a ton.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I like your way of thinking that that's good analytics
use that.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Can't play bad golf if you don't play.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
This guy's good. Great seeing you.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Oh it's great to be here. Always been a fan.
Oh I probably made it here.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
So that's great. Our buddy Kevin Lagretz trying to get
me to UCLA games, so you know, let's hook up
and go to a game. By the way, beautiful facility.
Oh that's awesome, Pauli's great. I mean, just look what
you know.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
I told a friend of mine that played at ULA's
coach wouldn't got Andy Hill was president of CBS I
think at one time, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I tell him.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
He goes, how are you? He always checks on me
when things are bad.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
I say, hey, man, I still turn left on sunset
when I go to work, you.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Know, And he goes, that's the title of your book.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
You got it.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Don't forget that.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
You turn left off, come over the hill, left on
sunset and drive through bell Aaron Beverly Hills. Rough.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
It's rough.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
I'm going to lunch in Beverly Hills when we're done. So,
I don't know how. I don't know how I'm gonna
make it good.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Always a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
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Speaker 1 (21:49):
Well, look at j Mack. This is as good as
life gets right here for us. Well, outside of games
in the NFL, the two things I love are the
draft and the future bets. The win totals. So DraftKings
Fine Company has come out with win totals, and here's Jmack.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
With the news.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
This is the Herd Line news.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
You love them so much, We're just gonna hammer wind
totals here. DraftKings has released their win totals for the
twenty twenty four season pre draft is.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Some of these are interesting to me. Two of them
are shocking.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
So we talked about we'll start at the bottom. We
talked about the team last week, the Minnesota Vikings. You
love them, you had them. I believe in your herd hierarchy, Colin.
The Minnesota Vikings win total is currently six and a half.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
That is the there's.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
Two six and a half for a team you have
in the top ten in the league. I told you
needed a mulligan on that one. That the over, Oh,
come on, we don't even know who their quarterback is.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Sam Donald Winner tells you what the market thinks is
Sam Darnld. So there were two teams that the Vikings
was the one that jumped out to me. That's bet
the over.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
Then there's one team hard though, by the way, the
that division Lions. Two games against the Lions of Packers,
who you both love. Vikings gonna go over four.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
They're gonna be at a quarterback defficiency in all those meetings.
Can I throw you another one? Please do? For anybody
that doubts Kirk Cousins, they DraftKings has the Falcons over
under just on a quarterback move at ten and a half.
That is the ultimate analytic gambling. Respect to Kirk. This
(23:40):
team could not move the ball consistently, the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
So the Falcons have this at ten and a half,
the same as the Cowboys, Dolphins, Bengals, Lions, Eagle.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Hackers, Bills.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
So maybe that's the market telling you, hey, we're gonna
inflate the Falcons. All the public betters, they're gonna be like, oh,
Kirk Cousins Falcons.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
That is I don't know, Okay, that is so much
respect to Kirk Cousins. They have a defensive coach to
coach that had failed. Most of their best players offensively
are young, unproven, just talented. Kirk Cousins singularly gets them
an over under with the Buffalo Bills, the Eagles, Joe
Burrow and the Bengals, Mike McDaniel and the Dolphins and
(24:24):
the Cowboys. So Nowboys have won twelve games a year,
three years in a row.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
I mean, it's a lot of newness there, new coach,
new quarterback ten and a half seas okay, pretty rich.
He remember Peyton and Russell Wilson last year. Everybody's like, oh, big,
big upgrade, and like it just didn't quite pan out?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Can I throw? Can I throw another one at you?
That is insane to me? Please do? The Jets over
under is nine and a half.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Too lower, too high.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Too high?
Speaker 6 (24:53):
Okay wait a second now, timeout. I'm assuming Aaron Rodgers
coming off the Achilles. You're like, eh, Kirk Cousins is
coming off.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
An Achilles too.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
There's similar quarterback differences the AFC East. I have Buffalo
twice and a wildly high scoring Miami twice. Aaron's again
forty off the surgery, but whereas Atlanta has multiple good
offensive pieces and an elite O line. I got a
forty year old quarterback off of surgery and a mess
(25:22):
o line and a tougher division and a tougher conference.
And they're nine and a half. That feels high to me.
Texans are nine and a half. That's what I'm saying Texans,
and the Texans are in an easier division, and we
love their coach and we love their quarterback, and they've
had back to back very good free agent signings.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
How about Jags eight and a half. So the Jags
eight and a half, the Texans nine and a half.
It's pretty clear there's a new sheriff in what are
the AFC South where people think about Misser now the
team to beat.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
This here's another one talk about respect. So the Rams
have eleven draft picks, they have a top five coach,
in the top five quarterback in the weaker NFC, and
Aaron Donald retires and the Rams over under is only
eight and a half. I think Aaron Donald, without question,
(26:14):
was they're saying is worth at least a game to
a game and a half. Well, also, they have eleven
draft picks.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
You've got to consider Stafford's injury history, and I know
he was injury free last year. You know, I'm the
Sanna Stafford. We are in the same neighborhood currently, I
have not seen him. I like him, Colin. If that
offensive line doesn't hold up and Stafford gets stinged up.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
They went and bought the best guard on the market.
So now they have two elite guards. Their centers last
year's second round pick who was excellent. Moving over, they're
very good at right tackle and left tackle. They're good enough.
I don't think it's a prime.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Defensive tackles aren't worth a point to the spread, but
Aaron Donald you no longer have to triple team anyone
on the defensive line.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Of the Rams.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
How they gonna get pressured without Donald?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Well, they have the kid from Wake Forest, they have
young the defensive end. These guys are defensive courting.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
There's a stay up at night game planning for the
defensive end.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Okay, so I think the Vikings, I'd bet the over
the Rams. I'd bet the over the Jets, Falcons. I'd
probably bet the under. I will say this, though, you
pushed back. So last week I did a herd hierarchy.
I put the Lions and the Packers in the top
(27:23):
five DraftKings has both the Lions and Packers ten and
a half wins with a group of Joe Burrow Philadelphia
Josh Allen. I think Green Bay is they're buying into
this offense and sow them on.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
That's fair.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
I will also add you omitted the Bengals from the
top ten, and they have a window toal ten and
a half.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Can you admit that's a whif? Can we say like
I had done, I had them at eleven.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
Oh yeah, okay, the Herd hierarchy extended to eleven.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
You just didn't like that I had Minnesota at ten.
If I had Minnesota at eleven, you'd been okay with it.
All right, we gotta go. TJ. Hushman's Auto on the corner,
j MA the news.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
heard line.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
I will stay up with this draft Kings Wind Total.
I will literally be doing this all night.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
By the way, Steelers seven and a half with Russ
and Justin Field seven and a half.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
TJ. Hushman's out of Next.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
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Speaker 1 (29:00):
So he played eleven years in the NFL and now
works on a regular basis quarterbacks wide receivers. We bring
him on for insight as we go up to the draft,
which is about a month out. So you've worked with
a lot of receivers through the year, LSU guys in
particular this year, we've talked about Marvin Harrison. His dad
(29:20):
was a unique cat, kind of his own guy, didn't
hang with the players, So it's not a surprise that
his son's got some of these qualities. Are you worried
that nobody knows no pro day he didn't talk to
anybody the combine? Is it a little odd or is
it just like you know, his dad was very much
an independent, unique, quiet.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Guy when you put it in those terms, are you
surprised Marvin Harrison Senior didn't do a ton of interviews.
He kind of stayed to himself. If you're junior, if
you run four two jump fifty inches, you just break
all kind of comp You're probably still gonna go for right.
(30:03):
And so is he looking at it. I can't help myself,
so I could possibly hurt myself, but I'm not gonna
be able to help myself. I don't mind it. I
think the problem is we've never seen this. We literally
haven't seen a god, not interview at the combine, not
work out, not do to pro. We haven't seen unless
(30:25):
you're injured. We haven't seen this before, and so it's
just the uncertainty of what has never happened before. He's
a good player. His dad taught him very well. He
can run routes, he understands coverages, he knows why we
should do things, press release, what release I should and
shouldn't use. He's well schooled. It will be interesting to
(30:47):
see how it plays out, because if he does not
pan out, people will come back to all of this.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah, so I think he is the class of the
wide receipt. I think there's a lot of guys that
are talented, Roma Dunze, Washington not a burner per se.
Is it fair to say Harrison size talent, heritage family
is one. Everybody else is talented, but they've got a
hole in their games.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
I don't know if that. I don't know if Roberts
at LSU is he I like neighbors a ton no dynamic,
super explosive, really strong kid, probably about six, kind of
reminds me of Jamar Chase. Not the ball skills, maybe
a tad bit more explosive. LSU is just a factory.
They're turning into the receiver factory. You have neighbors. You
(31:39):
have Brian Thomas. I mean, Brian Thomas ran four to
three to three and he's six y three and he
can run routes and he's smart, and he's a coach's
dream because he doesn't talk to anybody. Like you couldn't
get him to say fifteen words to you an interview.
If he did, I would be shocked.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Roma Dunze had a great quarterback, a great coach, multiple
NFL receivers. Is he worth a top ten pick?
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (32:03):
His ball skills are through the roof, through out of
this world. Like he has great ball skills.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Now tell the audience what that means.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
He just catches the ball hard throws or hard catches,
hard plays. He makes them look easy and you see
somebody else do it and it's not a catch. Those
are catches for he just has great He tracks the
ball very well, he sees the ball very well, and
his hands are always in a good position. And he'll
(32:30):
tell you that's something that he worked on a ton.
But he just was blessed with great ball skills. He's huge,
bro like when you see when you stand next to Rome.
He's a big boy. But he's such a great person
man like we went to dinner. Such a great person.
But yes, I'm drafting him in the top ten.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
That matters for wide receiver.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
He's a great person, great person.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
We have a history of receivers coming in they break
the huddle first, they want theirs. I get it is
it's the personality position in there.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
That's not wrong. He is a team first guy. Uh,
hes gonna treat people the right way. I enjoy on
a ton. He'll be a good player.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
DJ Hushman Zada is joining us. So the quarterback class,
you know, it's the JJ McCarthy stuff. Reportedly great on
the whiteboard. Also put on about fifteen pounds. I don't
know if I buy that combine weight stuff.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Do you?
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Because he was two old five it was listed as
a player. Now he gets to the combine he's two twenty.
I don't like spindally, I watched Bryce Young. I don't
like Spindle. Are you sold on JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
I am? I like JJ man, I really do And
I don't know how much you weighed, but I've been
seeing JJ since the summer. He looked like he was
a nice size. He looked like he was more than
two o five in the summer to me, unless.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
He's just seeing him in shorts, you're see yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
So like, I didn't think he was two o five
when I saw him, and so I thought he was
two fifteen. He's always been like, nice size dude, but
more than anything. Like, So, I go to the Combine
this year and he's on my flight and we're not
on the same rud the entire flight. The entire flight,
(34:08):
he is just diagramming plays and going over stuff the
entire flight, and I'm like, is this dude ever gonna
stop the whole flight? And so I was able to
sit down and spend some time with him. I like
JJ a lot. I really do. Great arm, not a
good arm, a great arm. He's accurate. He knows how
(34:30):
to win, and that's what matters. You gotta be able
to win. You got to be able to be in
a tough situation in winning this all, you know, you
always feel like you have a chance. The guys are
gonna feed off that because they gonna see how you
feel about it.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I learned this last week. Bow Nicks has had five
offensive coordinators in five years, and it's completed almost seventy
percent of his college throws. That's something, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
Bow Knicks leaving Orgon, I mean leaving Auburn going to
Oregon was the thing he could have done because he
was so highly rated coming out of high five guy.
And it was as if when he went to Auburn
he was a disappointment. And then he goes to Oregon.
It's like, wait, where was this bow Knicks at Auburn?
Like where? And so that tells you a lot about
(35:16):
somebody when constantly your system is changing and you have
to learn a new system every single.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Year and are productive every year.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
And bow Knicks played extremely well in a tough conference
with great competition for two years, a ton of snaps.
I believe he has the most starts of any college
quarterback ever. It's so uh, he'll be well prepared. He'll
be well prepared once he gets to the league. I
think he'll do what this quarterback draft is. I think
he'll do what. There's gonna be some guys that don't
(35:45):
play well, and we're all gonna be like, wow, how
did he not pan out?
Speaker 1 (35:49):
I think a lot of it is where you land.
As you've told me before, not all coaches are equal.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
No, I mean what you guys do for a living,
J Man Conn or everybody equal to you guys and
what you guys do.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Oh no, I've bosses. I've had unequal bosses. I've got
good bosses now I haven't always in my career had
a lot of stuff. Is just you know, now I'm
old and I kind of know what I'm doing. But
when you're young, in any profession, the quality of boss
is it's much more impactful. I mean, Brady could go
to Tampa. They didn't know who quite what Brady has
(36:21):
his actions.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
The quality of what you do is.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Determined by my support system.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
Oh that's kind of you to say that's kind.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Well, I mean I can bring it now.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
I mean, and then that's the thing, like everybody can't
do that, And so.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Yeah, all right, we like bringing you around the draft.
By the way, some stuff TJ tells me he can't
tell us yet, but as we get closer to the draft,
when he comes on, he'll drop little leaflets of information.
You're gonna be all'm gonna say is you're gonna be on
a flight tonight, possibly heading to Pro Days.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
But the problem is, I got guys that are flying
out here to train with me, so I got to
figure out. You know, I don't know if I can
do those things.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Don't let me tell you something good problem to have
is being wanted the highly employable T. J. Hushman Zama.
That's a that's a that's a crisis we all need
to have. See you soon, See you guys tomorrow in La.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
It's the hurt
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