June 10, 2025 • 33 mins
Colin talks to 3x National Champion head coach Urban Meyer about the changes coming to college football, USC - Notre Dame rivalry and expectations for Arch Manning at Texas
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Urban Meyer now joining us Fox Sports college football analysts.
I got a bunch of stuff. I want to talk
about big picture and small picture. But I was reading
all my college football magazines and the NIL is one thing,
the transfer portals another. So Brian Kelly went heavy portal,
Lincoln Riley heavy portal, Deon Sanders heavy portal, Belichick heavy portal.
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You can buy players, you can't buy chemistry. Ohio State
has bought elite players. But for some reason, Ryan Day
has made it work where they've had an influx of guys.
Maybe they just get better guys. But I'm watching a
lot of these. I think Lincoln can coach, I think
Brian can coach. I think Dion's been a good coach.
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How is Ohio State use the NIL and it worked
for them? It hasn't disrupted chemistry.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
You know, a lot of guys equated it to back
in the day when Kansas State was getting all those
junior college players, and most college coaches avoided that because
they didn't want to disrupt their culture. You look up
Mike Norvel, that might be the you know, the case
study for you take an undefeated team, take a bunch
of transfers, and they took some wrong guys. Quite honestly,
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you watch them play from one year to the other,
and they're not even close to what it was. Where
you look at Ohio State. I think Ohio State and
I've talked to coach Day about this and Mark Pantoni.
Their GM is that they have never been more cautious
about what they bring into that program. First of all,
you don't need to change much. They recruit on a level.
They recruit on an incredible way. So if you're going
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to bring somewey in, you know, I finally I got
there at a point a couple of times in my
career where do not take that person. If that can
disrupt the culture, don't do it. And as a result,
we let some good players get away from us. But
we're not going to change our culture.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
So that's what.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
They're doing.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Speaking of Big ten, you know James Franklin very well.
College football is going through massive change. And I've said this,
I don't care if it's tech, it's AI, it always
becomes the wild wild West. Bitcoin will eventually settle down,
but when anything's changing, it's wild and you try to
get guardrails. Do you think college football has put it
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enough guardrails when you talk to guys like James Franklin
or are they kind of terrified the portal, the nil
and where it's going.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
I just spoke to James Franklin and we have a
great relationship, and the one thing I want to hit
is that I'm mesmerized by this whole the new commission
that's going to now enforce rules.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And I kind of lost.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
It on someone the other day on a podcast where
they said, well, finally we have rules and we have guardrails,
and I'm like, wait a minute. For forty years they
we had to take a test on a three to
four inch rule book. We had to sign our name
to saying that we're in compliance. It wasn't the fact
that there weren't rules. There are rules for everything. There
is no comp there was no enforcement. The NCAA could
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write a book on how not to enforce and how
not to investigate, and it was not their fault. They
had no subpoena power and there is no It was toothless.
Every time they made the decision on infraction case the
litigated Tom Mars. I heard that name. You know Tom
Mars is going to sue and they lose. So my understanding, Colin,
this is the game changer. This new commission is going
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to have subpoena power that will expediate the process of investigation.
And I'm hoping that it also if once you're investigated
you don't tell the truth, you know, the punishment's going
to be ridiculous and it's not going to be four
to five years after the fact. And then they say
that the power four conferences. This came from A twelve,
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the Big twelve commissioner. We spoke to him as well.
Is that they're all going to have to sign to
be part of this. They're going to sign an agreement
that they're going to first follow the rules and they're
not going to litigate. If this commission finds a big guilty.
I'm skeptical because of forty years of watching it and
If that can happen, then you can officially say that
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college football was in compliance.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I hope it does. Here's my question. I can buy
high school players, now, what is I mean? What can't
I do? If I can buy players? What is really
the death penalty now for college football that a compliance
guy comes in and says, okay, coward, that is off limits.
What's off limits? Now?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Well, everyone from Texas Tech, we had that coach on
our podcast the other day, from Texas Tech to Penn
State to Ohio State, Alabama. They have a salary cap
it's twenty point five million dollars. Anything above that is nil.
But that has to go through Deloitte and they have
to They can't give some outrageous number through that collective
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or through the nil issues. So once again, I'm skeptical
as can be. But if this is as a fact,
I love what I'm hearing. That means that you cannot go.
Ohio State's going to have the same solary cap as
Texas Tech. And then the nil on top of that
is going to be all scrutinized and you turn into
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proper paperwork and say we can't give that seventeen year
old five million dollars to go do a charity event
and sign his name. You know that that's kind of
stuff was going on. And so if this is all
true Colin what I've heard in the last three days,
I'm excited about it, yet extremely skeptical.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Okay, I get a lot of pushback on this. I
did not grow up in a family of great tradition.
And I've said before, Lincoln Riley's job is to get
to the playoff, and Lincoln Riley's like, timeout, I don't
get Washington State anymore. I don't get Oregon State, I
don't get cow I don't get Arizona. I get I
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have to go to Madison and ann Arbor and Columbus.
And the only teams that came to the Pac twelve,
came to the Big ten were Oregon, Washington and my rival.
So I don't get any cream puffs. So Lincoln Riley,
I don't know if Lincoln Riley's spearheading this, but people
at USC are like, so we want another November cold
weather game. No, we'll do. We'll play you Notre Dame
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on a year to your basis, only in September. We'll
play in South Bend and Zeid We're not playing in
November with the Buckeyes coming up. So my take is
this id the oh college football Notre Dame USC. The
highest rated game last year was Georgia T It was
a non rivalry game. If you if I'm USC, why
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do I have to play Notre Dame two? Notre Dame
won't They won't join a conference. It's on them, not
on me? Is it not? It is?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
But I coached at Notre Dame, and I guess there's
I'm a sixty year old that's probably acted like a
seventy five year old because I love it, the pageantry,
I love the rivalries. Please don't take away that game.
Please don't move the Ohio State Wolverine game the middle
of the season. You know, we saw what happened when
Texas quit playing Texas A and M. I thought it
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was awful. Maybe people did it. You know, BYU should
be playing Utah. So I hope that doesn't go away.
I get it. I understand you're but I'm also saying,
if I'm a Notre Dame fan, I'm writing a check.
You're playing USC. If I'm a USC fan, you're playing
Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah, maybe Notre Dame should consider joining a conference. All
you Golden domers out there, we don't need a conference.
It's funny how you guys just Notre Dame just signed
a twelve year deal with Clemson, and you know why
they did that because the ACC staks and they need
one great game on their skit. No, that's true, by
the way, absolutely correct.
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Speaker 1 (08:20):
How much pressure. I saw the over under on USC
seven and a half games, and I think that's accurate.
I think they're best players of safety. I think they're
very very young. I think they're an eight win team.
At some point, when's the hammer come down? Or do
you think this remains long term? Lincoln is fine? What
if they go eight and five? Is that good enough?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Well? I guess the way I've always looked at USC
is I equate them to oh State, Alabama, Texas, and Florida.
I just I've always looked at USC as one of
the top five jobs in America. So I've got a
lot of respect for Lincoln Riley, and I never I
promised myself, I would never call for jobs because I'm
not going to do that. However, when seven eight wins
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is accepted USC, that's when you you know, I don't know.
I don't agree with that. I think you take a
five hour you take a five hour net and drop
it on USC and you see the best players in
the country. So I think this is the year the recruiting.
Here's a question about USC. That have the number one
recruiting class in the country right now? Should they have
that every year? I mean, USC is USC, and I
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think they're gonna have a great year, and I think
we're not after this conversation. But eight and five, go
eight and five and Ohio State and see if that happens.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Oh no, it's a whole different ballgame. I want to
talk arch Manning for a second because I haven't seen
enough of him. But what I see I like, he's
put on weight, he moves. Well, if you knew you
had Arch Manning and you knew the speculative nature, here
comes the media. I remember when you were at Florida
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you could you could kind of fend off the media.
Those days are over. Kids have their social media. You
can't that. There's too many platforms, there's too many media people,
there's drones everywhere. What do you do if you're sarked?
Do you just sort of say, if you're sarked, hey,
he's a Manning, He'll be able to handle it. Arch
I don't remember, maybe Tebow. I don't remember a college
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quarterback that was more anticipated to play in twenty years,
maybe t Bow than Arch Manning. How did you coach
Tebow going into his last year at Florida knowing the
onslaught of media and expectations.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Well, quick history lesson. Tebow won the Heisman Trophy of
sophomore year, won the National champions junior year, and he
was the Golden child. And then all of a sudden
people turned on him. You know, he's not an NFL quarterback,
he's throwing motions all this, and that we'd win by
two scorers against Tennessee and that was enough. T Bo's
not playing well, and I saw that the media and
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the people kind of turned, not not the Gator nation,
but the country kind of turned on a little bit.
I couldn't understand that, you know, whether it was they
criticized his religion or whatever. But my answer would be,
you embrace it. I mean, Arch Fanning is there for
a reason. It's not because of his last name, because
if he was a bad quarterback and he had that
last name, then he wouldn't be getting it. He's potentially
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a great quarterback, embrace it. That's life in the big city,
and you're gonna get scrutinized and you can give far
too much credit for when the team plays well. So
I think Sark Sarks the perfect guy for him. Sarks
been in it. He's a quarterback guy's he played quarterback himself,
and he's coached at Alabama, so he's got the Arch
has got the perfect coach to handle those expectations.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Okay, finally back to Ohio State. They've never won back
to back titles and a lot of it is just
the reality of that program right like it's And now
they've got a Michigan issue, although I think they'll overcome
it this year. They have to replace I mean, I
think sixteen starters. So it's now they have the two
best players in the country in my opinion, Caleb Downs
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and Smith. So that's a great starting block. And it
is Ohio and they recruited at an amazing level, and
I think they won a national title yet last year
without a great old line, which is hard to do.
So I think they'll be better up front. What is
your number one concern though? For Ryan Day no back
to back natties ever at Ohio State. What is the
messaging you think to a team last year that pulverized
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people in the playoffs, humiliated Tennessee. What's the messaging?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Well, it all starts through the quarterback and they got
a new one and they have saying and Klain Holtsen
you have you know, but that position's got to get
good and get good fast. As they open with Texas.
The biggest issue I think is when a team wins
a national championship, everything changes. I talked to Joe Madden
in twenty to sixteen. He just came off winning a
World Series and I went Solomont to Chicago Cubs when
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he was the manager of the Cubs, and he was
miserable and he said, how hard it is to you know,
have back to back. It doesn't happen very often. Why
because complacency sets in the program. So I think that's
Ryan Dage number one, and not so much with the players.
He's replacing a bunch of players I'm talking about the
coaching staff. I'm talking about everybody in that organization. Is
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that you know enough of patent on the back that
one is ancient history that's over and that's going to
be the challenge. And I talked to many coaches have
won national titles. Is you know dealing with the complacency
that seeps into your program is the biggest issue.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yeah, by the way, your buddy Belichick, I said yesterday,
I think they'll be fine. I don't care about Jordan Hudson.
She does his social media stuff, but he does have
two of his sons on the staff and one of
Mike Lombardi's sons on the staff. And I said, there's
nothing against that. Pete Carroll's son was on a staff,
and like, I'm not anti that, but I do wonder.
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It does make me think a little bit when you're
building a staff. Bill doesn't. Bill doesn't understand that you got,
you know, seventeen hours, kids have class. They're young, less mature, moodier.
If I said to you, Bill's going to have one
big challenge that's going to surprise him. You've coached both
pro and college. Not the stuff that's obvious. But if
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I said, there's one thing Bill's going to call you
in week six and complain about what is it going
to be.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
I think the difference between an NFL player that's his
job and a college kid. Unfortunately, sometimes they don't look
at it that way at all. You know, they look
at it as this is a means to an end
to get an education. And I'm saying, that's great, You're
asking me what the What the issue Coach Belichick I
think will face. He's the fact that there's gonna be
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players on the team that don't you know that don't
throw everything into it like you do in the NFL.
If you don't throw the NFL, you get cut. In
college football, you got to motivate and inspire these guys.
It is what it is now. You can make a
change after the season. But him and his staff are
going to have to pull greatness out of people that
you know they're they just don't have the same It's
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not survival in college and I think that'll be his
biggest challenge.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Urban Meyer getting any golf.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
In a bunch of golf, a bunch of travel grandkids
going good.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
That's good life, my friend. How about you? I had
a terrible round of golf in Rhode Island. I don't
want to talk about it, but I got new clubs,
so that's my excuse. And I didn't drink. I was
just I don't want to talk about it. Was terrible.
I couldn't I couldn't find the greens whatever. You know,
it's new clubs. That's the new clubs. When they get
I get that's right. When I get those grooved, I'll
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be fine. Uh oh, so do you coach good senior
Urban Meyer? Yeah? It is uh the nil, the transfer portal,
all that stuff. I love college football. I can't wait
to watch Ohio State arch manning USC Notre Dame. You
can make all these changes and you can complain about it.
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I love college football. I'm pouring over my magazines, fly
in and hanging out this weekend. I'm all fired up.
So did you. I don't know. People complain about all
the changes. Never loved it more, never look forward to
a season more college football playoff I thought was great
last year. Indiana disappointed me. SMU was what they were.
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But the Ohio States and the Oregons and the Tennessees
and the Texas and Notre Dames were great and it's
only going to get better.
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Speaker 6 (17:32):
Within the last hour, Shane Steichen announced there is no
timetable for his return. He's got shoulder shoulder soreness, and
remember it's in his surgically repaired throwing shoulder.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Albert Breer reports Richardson.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
Is set to meet with a renowned shoulder surgeon for
another opinion. This is not good at all for the
young star quarterback potential start. I shouldn't call the star.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
It's good for the It's good of the Colts because
instead of this fantasy that he's a franchise quarterback, they
can move on with Daniel Jones. You're already saying.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
No shot at being a fantasic quarterback.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
No, no, it's listen. When I had a general manager
tell me been in this league twenty five years, say
he'd never seen a quarterback struggle on the layups and
the basics out in the flat easy stuff. More than
Anthony Richardson. Remember he only started thirteen games in college.
He was a small school kid, a recruit, He was raw.
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And here's my take. When when Kyle Shanahan couldn't get
Trey Lance right, there's a signal it's not going to work.
When Shane stikeen this is not a defensive culture. When
Shane Steichen can't get improvement, it's over. There are certain
there are certain coaches. Sean Payton can fix quarterbacks, Shane
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Steiken can fix quarterbacks. McVeigh. If they give up Shanahan,
it's over. Well, time out.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
Sticken has not given up on him yet. They you know,
with the shoulder injury and his repair, they brought in
Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Here's the only.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
Defense of Richardson and is kind of thin. He has
started fifteen games, not even a full season. And I
want to remind you one of his comps was he's
kind of Josh Allen ish coming out of Wyoming.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Not MVP Josh Allen right.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
Coming out of college, Josh Allen couldn't hit the broad side.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Of a barn with a pass.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
His completion percentage was in the fifties.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Okay, Richardson is in that boat. And he only has
one season under his belt.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
I would say he's still gonna get time. Obviously, these
injuries not something that Josh Allen had to deal with.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I thought, first of all, Josh Allen was a top
ten prospect. Ever Richardson went top five bro No, no, no,
Josh Allen was a top ten quarterback prospect. Ever, Russell
Wilson had been to two Super Bowls, John Snyder and
Pete Carroll went to Wyoming. Josh Allen was a completely
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different level prospect. Half the league thought Anthony Richardson was
a stretch in the first round, and also Josh Allen
had a ton of college starts around that really marginal talent.
Anthony Richardson was at Florida with the NFL guys around
him thirteen starts. So I didn't have a problem drafting
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him because he was a big, strong kid. You know,
every time he heard him talk, he was a nice kid.
It seemed like he had his head on straight. But
then you start throwing in that thing he did last
year where he took himself out of a game. There's
just too many red flags and I just don't think
judgment so far in his career from the pocket or
non pocket has been great.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
That's all very fair. You know, he did not have
the starts in college. Probably should have stayed in school,
but got the NFL.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Hey you're going first round, bro.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
Somebody likes you, So I mean I'm bullish on him.
I'm not throwing in the towel. Obviously he's a pivotal year.
We'll see what happens. Let's go to quarterback you actually like,
and that's bow Knicks. He had a fantastic rookie season.
Essentially it was basically the second best rookie QB after
Jayden Daniels. But bow Knicks, man, I love this attitude.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Colin.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Take a listen.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
I haven't done anything up until this point, and I
got a lot to prove, lots of shows, so you know,
every day it's it's working. Every day, it's find a
way to get better, because you don't want to get
to you know, year or two or go down the
road and you know, all of a sudden you got
stuck and didn't get any better. So that's my focus
right now, is just not even worried about what people
are saying. Just internally, you know, I know I got
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a long way to go.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I hope everybody notices what they did to their defense. Greenlaw,
who funk on the back end. This is gonna be
a really good defense. They're not gonna have to win shootouts.
Bow Knicks is going to be a playoff quarterback again
next year.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
Okay, not that out of a take, I will say
I like the mindset of bow Knicks. I basically come
into work here. I've been on the show, I think
two years. I haven't accomplished anything. I got a long
way to go. I'm very stay humble, right, Like Kendrick
Lamar said, I think bon Nicks is growing on me.
By the way, do you remember when he came into
the studio, He was like the nicest guy, so quiet.
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I think he was with his girlfriend, his mom, whatever
it was, and like he was just a laid back.
You would never guess this guy's gonna be, Oh my god,
top fifteen.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Pick, taken a game to the playoffs. Like I was stunned.
My favorite part was, I think he had five different
offensive coordinators in college, So this kid had constantly sort
of have to reinvent an offense Auburn, Oregon, Southwest Coast.
I mean, he had your typical successful franchise quarterback, college
journey turbulence, coordinators, coaching changes, different conferences. That's the way
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it works. That's why if you look at a lot
of these quarterbacks, they don't come from traditional powers. They
have very chaotic journeys. Bone Nicks had sixty one college starts,
five different coordinators, two different regions. Liked him more than
a lot of the draft people. And I think he's
just gonna get better.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
By the way.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
You like how I'm being positive about all these young quarterbacks.
Anthony Richardson Caleb Williams, bow Knicks. I'm pro quarterback. I
want to give these guys a chance. Right, you gotta
let things bake. I don't know that bow can be
like a top five quarterback in the league, but you
have to be no.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I think he is exactly what And I heard this
before the draft. You know, Kyle Shanahan does not want
you add libbing. That's why he loves rock Perty. He
made a run at Kirk Cousins like there are You
know how they say styles make fights in boxing, styles
make quarterbacks. A lot of these coaches do not want
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you add libbing. Sean Peyton is a play designer and
a play caller. Bow Knicks runs the plays and makes
the reads he wants to with some mobility. So I
think a lot of Peyton bow Knicks is their styles
work together.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
I do want to see him at play from behind. Uh,
I don't think that's gonna be the case this year.
A lot of game managing. Bro we got the greatest
defense in the league. We don't just don't screw it up.
Final story, come Major League Baseball. They're calling this the
defensive play of the year. Happened in the first inning
last night of A's Angels.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Take a listen the one all Fish and Nolan Shaanival
left handed hit or five ball left center Denzel going
back here in the track at the track right to
the wall, leave.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Big climbing the wall. Did he catch get hit?
Speaker 8 (24:30):
Dad?
Speaker 1 (24:31):
You can't believe what this kid is doing in center field.
He got himself suspended on top of the wall. Had
brought it back Brown number two? Every day is a
highlight show. Yeah, that's pretty special.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
I mean the A's I believe they lost this. Yeah,
Angels beat the A's a stink, But that was a
hell of a play.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Looked like Spider Man climbing up the wall. There so
there was a catch. I bet you's forty years ago,
and I bet our staff could find it before the
end of the show. In Japanese baseball that were similar. No,
I'm dead serious, it happened Broy forty to fifty years ago.
When I saw this last night, it made me think
of that catch in Japanese baseball. It could have been
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forty to fifty years ago. Staff YouTube it, go find
it and we'll run it before the end of the show.
But that's the best catch in baseball in a long time.
It's spectacular stuff. Jmack with the news, Well that's the news,
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Speaker 1 (25:56):
Baseball ratings are up. So we showed you. I mean
it's almost military grade. Missiles from Shadur Sanders earlier today
at a mini camp Mandatory mini camp working with the
second team offense, Shaduur Sanders threading the needle up to sidelines.
And I know you think I'm embellishing, but here are
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the numbers. Now, Flacco did not take snaps. It was
Dylan Gabriel, Kenny Pickett, and Shador Sanders. Look at the numbers.
Chadur once again the most accurate has he thrown in
interception in mini camp or OTAs I don't think he has.
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He was ten for twelve, Kenny Pickett six of ten
kind of his career, Dylan Gabriel seven of eighteen. So
Schadeur's overall OTA in mini camp numbers seventy four percent
completion percentage by far and away the best of all
the Browns quarterbacks. Eight touchdown pick that's better than all
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the other brown quarterbacks. And here we should or're talking
about mini camp.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
Other few things.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Is I got time.
Speaker 8 (27:09):
I got time to be able to grow and mature,
you know, and be able to understand the ins and
out to the defenses and be able to get the
good insight from the bets in the room. So I
look at it as you know, a pless like I
got time to actually be able to really have a
great understanding and whenever you know it's time for me
to play on and stuff from your plate. But I'm
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not looking too far in the future about all that
I'm looking about every day in practice.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Listen, there is something to be said about people who
accurately throw football, like you can work on it, and
Josh Allen is an exception that you come into this
league inaccurate and become super accurate. There are guys Joe
Burrow jumps to mind, who's just always been pretty accurate,
right Like it's you know, Aaron Rodgers very early was
(27:59):
just really accurate. Shador Sanders high school, college, and in
camp he throws an accurate football. Now there are those
who say he holds on the ball too long. You know.
I think you can coach yourself. I mean, there's just
certain things you can coach up. You can't coach up size,
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good luck with arm strength. But I think accuracy is another.
I think some guys are just accurate. And this kid
is Nick Wright. Earlier on the Cleveland quarterback race.
Speaker 9 (28:34):
I don't think they're going to keep four quarterbacks. I
know historically that's been done on the rare occasion. I
don't think they're going to My guess would be Flacco
and Picket are competing to be the starter, and whoever
is not the starter of those two veterans, the Browns
will try to trade one of them for like a
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conditional seventh to another team. Shaudors for first objective should
be can I beat out Dylan Gabriel for the backup
quarterback job? Can I, from now until September first be
better than Dylan Gabriel?
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I think he can. And if you go.
Speaker 9 (29:14):
Into this season as the Browns backup quarterback, then you
are eventually going to be the Browns starting quarterback.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
That there, That's it, uh, And that's the real truth
here is if you look at the schedule, this is
the weakest roster in the division and it's not particularly close.
Not a lot of star power, best players, Miles Garrett
buy a lot and that and that schedule. And my
take yesterday was Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Jordan Love, Jared Goff.
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That is a lot of high flying offense. So it
is very reasonable to assume that Cleveland's going to be
in track meets and they just don't have the firepower
to move the ball. And Jimmy haslam that for a
month of it. I think they're gonna I think you're
gonna get into I think Flacco is gonna start, and
I think if they go, they're not gonna beat Cincinnati
in Baltimore. They don't have the personnel, they don't have
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the quarterback. So they're zero and two. Now, maybe they
beat Green Bay at home, but they're not going to Detroit,
so they're probably at best one in three Minnesota, depending
on JJ McCarthy's development. I think by the Minnesota game,
I think there's going to be a call from upstairs
to the coaching staff. I want to see should or Sanders.
And I think Nick Wright is nailing it. Flaco's going
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to start. You go zero and three with this history
and this franchise, somebody else is getting a nod. And
Dylan Gabriel to me, is not a starting NFL quarterback.
And you key listen. Cleveland's seen Kenny Pickett play. Nobody's
getting excited for Kenny Pickett. Part of the NFL When
you're a bad team, are are you interesting? Shouldhur is interesting?
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Is he great? I don't know, he's interesting. Let me
just ask yourself. One o'clock window, Week six, Just think
about this. It's the one o'clock window. Right, the best
games are the Fox or the CBS lag, the Sunday night,
the Monday night, Thursday night, one o'clock window, Week six.
You got it, Atlanta. You know, think about the teams
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that would be in there. You got it, Atlanta. Maybe
Houston's in there, Maybe Carolina is in there, Tennessee's in there,
Cleveland's gonna be in that window. Who's getting you to
watch Shodure Sanders? Like, there are some things you can predict.
Baker Mayfield in the NFL was gonna get a number, right,
Like Caleb Williams with the Bears was gonna get a number.
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Even Jayden Daniels didn't get the build up of Caleb.
Shodore Sanders is gonna get a number. And I think
it matters.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Yeah, you think Kevin Stefanski cares about a number. Colin, Colin,
you're gonna need Seal Team six to get Dylan Gabriel
out of the backup quarterback spot in Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
He has that thing locked up. People are tagging me
online right now in videos.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Hey tell Colin to show this Dylan Gabriel die.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Let me see if he's dropping dimes. Oh, I'm sure
we don't have it.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
Of course, we own published Chador videos, but I think
you're dreaming here. Honestly, this this Chador stuff, Like, I'm
rooting for the guy, but he's gonna have to be
extraordinary for Dylan Gabriel to lose that backup job because
Stefanski loves him.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Well, we only publish verified video. Some of this is
AI generated so so, but aren't you at least going
to acknowledge that the numbers for Shador sanders Ota to
Mini Camp. The numbers are seventy four percent completion percentage
and he's working with second teamers.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
You know what I like to say about numbers, right,
they're like a bikini. They show a lot, but they
don't show everything.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
So let's not just take this. Oh my gosh, look
at the numbers. Hey, it's a lock. I think we listen.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
Schador is a fun story, people are. He's no Caitlin
Clark in terms of moving the needle.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Let's be real, but he is.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
He has more juice than anyone else in his rookie class.
I mean, you've got a Bengals guy sitting out upset
with the Bengals. You know, there's not even a lot
of rookies moving the needle. This cam Ward, where's the
video of him in Tennessee?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Call? Have we seen anything again? We do not show
AI generated video. Dur stuff makes it through the sun.
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Urban Meyer now joining us Fox Sports college football analysts.
I got a bunch of stuff. I want to talk
about big picture and small picture. But I was reading
all my college football magazines and the NIL is one thing,
the transfer portals another. So Brian Kelly went heavy portal,
Lincoln Riley heavy portal, Deon Sanders heavy portal, Belichick heavy portal.
(00:47):
You can buy players, you can't buy chemistry. Ohio State
has bought elite players. But for some reason, Ryan Day
has made it work where they've had an influx of guys.
Maybe they just get better guys. But I'm watching a
lot of these. I think Lincoln can coach, I think
Brian can coach. I think Dion's been a good coach.
(01:09):
How is Ohio State use the NIL and it worked
for them? It hasn't disrupted chemistry.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
You know, a lot of guys equated it to back
in the day when Kansas State was getting all those
junior college players, and most college coaches avoided that because
they didn't want to disrupt their culture. You look up
Mike Norvel, that might be the you know, the case
study for you take an undefeated team, take a bunch
of transfers, and they took some wrong guys. Quite honestly,
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you watch them play from one year to the other,
and they're not even close to what it was. Where
you look at Ohio State. I think Ohio State and
I've talked to coach Day about this and Mark Pantoni.
Their GM is that they have never been more cautious
about what they bring into that program. First of all,
you don't need to change much. They recruit on a level.
They recruit on an incredible way. So if you're going
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to bring somewey in, you know, I finally I got
there at a point a couple of times in my
career where do not take that person. If that can
disrupt the culture, don't do it. And as a result,
we let some good players get away from us. But
we're not going to change our culture.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
So that's what.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
They're doing.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Speaking of Big ten, you know James Franklin very well.
College football is going through massive change. And I've said this,
I don't care if it's tech, it's AI, it always
becomes the wild wild West. Bitcoin will eventually settle down,
but when anything's changing, it's wild and you try to
get guardrails. Do you think college football has put it
(02:42):
enough guardrails when you talk to guys like James Franklin
or are they kind of terrified the portal, the nil
and where it's going.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
I just spoke to James Franklin and we have a
great relationship, and the one thing I want to hit
is that I'm mesmerized by this whole the new commission
that's going to now enforce rules.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And I kind of lost.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
It on someone the other day on a podcast where
they said, well, finally we have rules and we have guardrails,
and I'm like, wait a minute. For forty years they
we had to take a test on a three to
four inch rule book. We had to sign our name
to saying that we're in compliance. It wasn't the fact
that there weren't rules. There are rules for everything. There
is no comp there was no enforcement. The NCAA could
(03:26):
write a book on how not to enforce and how
not to investigate, and it was not their fault. They
had no subpoena power and there is no It was toothless.
Every time they made the decision on infraction case the
litigated Tom Mars. I heard that name. You know Tom
Mars is going to sue and they lose. So my understanding, Colin,
this is the game changer. This new commission is going
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to have subpoena power that will expediate the process of investigation.
And I'm hoping that it also if once you're investigated
you don't tell the truth, you know, the punishment's going
to be ridiculous and it's not going to be four
to five years after the fact. And then they say
that the power four conferences. This came from A twelve,
(04:13):
the Big twelve commissioner. We spoke to him as well.
Is that they're all going to have to sign to
be part of this. They're going to sign an agreement
that they're going to first follow the rules and they're
not going to litigate. If this commission finds a big guilty.
I'm skeptical because of forty years of watching it and
If that can happen, then you can officially say that
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college football was in compliance.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I hope it does. Here's my question. I can buy
high school players, now, what is I mean? What can't
I do? If I can buy players? What is really
the death penalty now for college football that a compliance
guy comes in and says, okay, coward, that is off limits.
What's off limits? Now?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Well, everyone from Texas Tech, we had that coach on
our podcast the other day, from Texas Tech to Penn
State to Ohio State, Alabama. They have a salary cap
it's twenty point five million dollars. Anything above that is nil.
But that has to go through Deloitte and they have
to They can't give some outrageous number through that collective
(05:20):
or through the nil issues. So once again, I'm skeptical
as can be. But if this is as a fact,
I love what I'm hearing. That means that you cannot go.
Ohio State's going to have the same solary cap as
Texas Tech. And then the nil on top of that
is going to be all scrutinized and you turn into
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proper paperwork and say we can't give that seventeen year
old five million dollars to go do a charity event
and sign his name. You know that that's kind of
stuff was going on. And so if this is all
true Colin what I've heard in the last three days,
I'm excited about it, yet extremely skeptical.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Okay, I get a lot of pushback on this. I
did not grow up in a family of great tradition.
And I've said before, Lincoln Riley's job is to get
to the playoff, and Lincoln Riley's like, timeout, I don't
get Washington State anymore. I don't get Oregon State, I
don't get cow I don't get Arizona. I get I
(06:20):
have to go to Madison and ann Arbor and Columbus.
And the only teams that came to the Pac twelve,
came to the Big ten were Oregon, Washington and my rival.
So I don't get any cream puffs. So Lincoln Riley,
I don't know if Lincoln Riley's spearheading this, but people
at USC are like, so we want another November cold
weather game. No, we'll do. We'll play you Notre Dame
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on a year to your basis, only in September. We'll
play in South Bend and Zeid We're not playing in
November with the Buckeyes coming up. So my take is
this id the oh college football Notre Dame USC. The
highest rated game last year was Georgia T It was
a non rivalry game. If you if I'm USC, why
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do I have to play Notre Dame two? Notre Dame
won't They won't join a conference. It's on them, not
on me? Is it not? It is?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
But I coached at Notre Dame, and I guess there's
I'm a sixty year old that's probably acted like a
seventy five year old because I love it, the pageantry,
I love the rivalries. Please don't take away that game.
Please don't move the Ohio State Wolverine game the middle
of the season. You know, we saw what happened when
Texas quit playing Texas A and M. I thought it
(07:34):
was awful. Maybe people did it. You know, BYU should
be playing Utah. So I hope that doesn't go away.
I get it. I understand you're but I'm also saying,
if I'm a Notre Dame fan, I'm writing a check.
You're playing USC. If I'm a USC fan, you're playing
Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah, maybe Notre Dame should consider joining a conference. All
you Golden domers out there, we don't need a conference.
It's funny how you guys just Notre Dame just signed
a twelve year deal with Clemson, and you know why
they did that because the ACC staks and they need
one great game on their skit. No, that's true, by
the way, absolutely correct.
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Speaker 1 (08:20):
How much pressure. I saw the over under on USC
seven and a half games, and I think that's accurate.
I think they're best players of safety. I think they're
very very young. I think they're an eight win team.
At some point, when's the hammer come down? Or do
you think this remains long term? Lincoln is fine? What
if they go eight and five? Is that good enough?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Well? I guess the way I've always looked at USC
is I equate them to oh State, Alabama, Texas, and Florida.
I just I've always looked at USC as one of
the top five jobs in America. So I've got a
lot of respect for Lincoln Riley, and I never I
promised myself, I would never call for jobs because I'm
not going to do that. However, when seven eight wins
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is accepted USC, that's when you you know, I don't know.
I don't agree with that. I think you take a
five hour you take a five hour net and drop
it on USC and you see the best players in
the country. So I think this is the year the recruiting.
Here's a question about USC. That have the number one
recruiting class in the country right now? Should they have
that every year? I mean, USC is USC, and I
(09:25):
think they're gonna have a great year, and I think
we're not after this conversation. But eight and five, go
eight and five and Ohio State and see if that happens.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Oh no, it's a whole different ballgame. I want to
talk arch Manning for a second because I haven't seen
enough of him. But what I see I like, he's
put on weight, he moves. Well, if you knew you
had Arch Manning and you knew the speculative nature, here
comes the media. I remember when you were at Florida
(09:54):
you could you could kind of fend off the media.
Those days are over. Kids have their social media. You
can't that. There's too many platforms, there's too many media people,
there's drones everywhere. What do you do if you're sarked?
Do you just sort of say, if you're sarked, hey,
he's a Manning, He'll be able to handle it. Arch
I don't remember, maybe Tebow. I don't remember a college
(10:14):
quarterback that was more anticipated to play in twenty years,
maybe t Bow than Arch Manning. How did you coach
Tebow going into his last year at Florida knowing the
onslaught of media and expectations.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Well, quick history lesson. Tebow won the Heisman Trophy of
sophomore year, won the National champions junior year, and he
was the Golden child. And then all of a sudden
people turned on him. You know, he's not an NFL quarterback,
he's throwing motions all this, and that we'd win by
two scorers against Tennessee and that was enough. T Bo's
not playing well, and I saw that the media and
(10:50):
the people kind of turned, not not the Gator nation,
but the country kind of turned on a little bit.
I couldn't understand that, you know, whether it was they
criticized his religion or whatever. But my answer would be,
you embrace it. I mean, Arch Fanning is there for
a reason. It's not because of his last name, because
if he was a bad quarterback and he had that
last name, then he wouldn't be getting it. He's potentially
(11:11):
a great quarterback, embrace it. That's life in the big city,
and you're gonna get scrutinized and you can give far
too much credit for when the team plays well. So
I think Sark Sarks the perfect guy for him. Sarks
been in it. He's a quarterback guy's he played quarterback himself,
and he's coached at Alabama, so he's got the Arch
has got the perfect coach to handle those expectations.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Okay, finally back to Ohio State. They've never won back
to back titles and a lot of it is just
the reality of that program right like it's And now
they've got a Michigan issue, although I think they'll overcome
it this year. They have to replace I mean, I
think sixteen starters. So it's now they have the two
best players in the country in my opinion, Caleb Downs
(11:56):
and Smith. So that's a great starting block. And it
is Ohio and they recruited at an amazing level, and
I think they won a national title yet last year
without a great old line, which is hard to do.
So I think they'll be better up front. What is
your number one concern though? For Ryan Day no back
to back natties ever at Ohio State. What is the
messaging you think to a team last year that pulverized
(12:20):
people in the playoffs, humiliated Tennessee. What's the messaging?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Well, it all starts through the quarterback and they got
a new one and they have saying and Klain Holtsen
you have you know, but that position's got to get
good and get good fast. As they open with Texas.
The biggest issue I think is when a team wins
a national championship, everything changes. I talked to Joe Madden
in twenty to sixteen. He just came off winning a
World Series and I went Solomont to Chicago Cubs when
(12:48):
he was the manager of the Cubs, and he was
miserable and he said, how hard it is to you know,
have back to back. It doesn't happen very often. Why
because complacency sets in the program. So I think that's
Ryan Dage number one, and not so much with the players.
He's replacing a bunch of players I'm talking about the
coaching staff. I'm talking about everybody in that organization. Is
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that you know enough of patent on the back that
one is ancient history that's over and that's going to
be the challenge. And I talked to many coaches have
won national titles. Is you know dealing with the complacency
that seeps into your program is the biggest issue.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yeah, by the way, your buddy Belichick, I said yesterday,
I think they'll be fine. I don't care about Jordan Hudson.
She does his social media stuff, but he does have
two of his sons on the staff and one of
Mike Lombardi's sons on the staff. And I said, there's
nothing against that. Pete Carroll's son was on a staff,
and like, I'm not anti that, but I do wonder.
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It does make me think a little bit when you're
building a staff. Bill doesn't. Bill doesn't understand that you got,
you know, seventeen hours, kids have class. They're young, less mature, moodier.
If I said to you, Bill's going to have one
big challenge that's going to surprise him. You've coached both
pro and college. Not the stuff that's obvious. But if
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I said, there's one thing Bill's going to call you
in week six and complain about what is it going
to be.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
I think the difference between an NFL player that's his
job and a college kid. Unfortunately, sometimes they don't look
at it that way at all. You know, they look
at it as this is a means to an end
to get an education. And I'm saying, that's great, You're
asking me what the What the issue Coach Belichick I
think will face. He's the fact that there's gonna be
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players on the team that don't you know that don't
throw everything into it like you do in the NFL.
If you don't throw the NFL, you get cut. In
college football, you got to motivate and inspire these guys.
It is what it is now. You can make a
change after the season. But him and his staff are
going to have to pull greatness out of people that
you know they're they just don't have the same It's
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not survival in college and I think that'll be his
biggest challenge.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Urban Meyer getting any golf.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
In a bunch of golf, a bunch of travel grandkids
going good.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
That's good life, my friend. How about you? I had
a terrible round of golf in Rhode Island. I don't
want to talk about it, but I got new clubs,
so that's my excuse. And I didn't drink. I was
just I don't want to talk about it. Was terrible.
I couldn't I couldn't find the greens whatever. You know,
it's new clubs. That's the new clubs. When they get
I get that's right. When I get those grooved, I'll
(15:34):
be fine. Uh oh, so do you coach good senior
Urban Meyer? Yeah? It is uh the nil, the transfer portal,
all that stuff. I love college football. I can't wait
to watch Ohio State arch manning USC Notre Dame. You
can make all these changes and you can complain about it.
(15:56):
I love college football. I'm pouring over my magazines, fly
in and hanging out this weekend. I'm all fired up.
So did you. I don't know. People complain about all
the changes. Never loved it more, never look forward to
a season more college football playoff I thought was great
last year. Indiana disappointed me. SMU was what they were.
(16:18):
But the Ohio States and the Oregons and the Tennessees
and the Texas and Notre Dames were great and it's
only going to get better.
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Speaker 6 (17:32):
Within the last hour, Shane Steichen announced there is no
timetable for his return. He's got shoulder shoulder soreness, and
remember it's in his surgically repaired throwing shoulder.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Albert Breer reports Richardson.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
Is set to meet with a renowned shoulder surgeon for
another opinion. This is not good at all for the
young star quarterback potential start. I shouldn't call the star.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
It's good for the It's good of the Colts because
instead of this fantasy that he's a franchise quarterback, they
can move on with Daniel Jones. You're already saying.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
No shot at being a fantasic quarterback.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
No, no, it's listen. When I had a general manager
tell me been in this league twenty five years, say
he'd never seen a quarterback struggle on the layups and
the basics out in the flat easy stuff. More than
Anthony Richardson. Remember he only started thirteen games in college.
He was a small school kid, a recruit, He was raw.
(18:30):
And here's my take. When when Kyle Shanahan couldn't get
Trey Lance right, there's a signal it's not going to work.
When Shane stikeen this is not a defensive culture. When
Shane Steichen can't get improvement, it's over. There are certain
there are certain coaches. Sean Payton can fix quarterbacks, Shane
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Steiken can fix quarterbacks. McVeigh. If they give up Shanahan,
it's over. Well, time out.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
Sticken has not given up on him yet. They you know,
with the shoulder injury and his repair, they brought in
Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Here's the only.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
Defense of Richardson and is kind of thin. He has
started fifteen games, not even a full season. And I
want to remind you one of his comps was he's
kind of Josh Allen ish coming out of Wyoming.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Not MVP Josh Allen right.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
Coming out of college, Josh Allen couldn't hit the broad side.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Of a barn with a pass.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
His completion percentage was in the fifties.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Okay, Richardson is in that boat. And he only has
one season under his belt.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
I would say he's still gonna get time. Obviously, these
injuries not something that Josh Allen had to deal with.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I thought, first of all, Josh Allen was a top
ten prospect. Ever Richardson went top five bro No, no, no,
Josh Allen was a top ten quarterback prospect. Ever, Russell
Wilson had been to two Super Bowls, John Snyder and
Pete Carroll went to Wyoming. Josh Allen was a completely
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different level prospect. Half the league thought Anthony Richardson was
a stretch in the first round, and also Josh Allen
had a ton of college starts around that really marginal talent.
Anthony Richardson was at Florida with the NFL guys around
him thirteen starts. So I didn't have a problem drafting
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him because he was a big, strong kid. You know,
every time he heard him talk, he was a nice kid.
It seemed like he had his head on straight. But
then you start throwing in that thing he did last
year where he took himself out of a game. There's
just too many red flags and I just don't think
judgment so far in his career from the pocket or
non pocket has been great.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
That's all very fair. You know, he did not have
the starts in college. Probably should have stayed in school,
but got the NFL.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Hey you're going first round, bro.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
Somebody likes you, So I mean I'm bullish on him.
I'm not throwing in the towel. Obviously he's a pivotal year.
We'll see what happens. Let's go to quarterback you actually like,
and that's bow Knicks. He had a fantastic rookie season.
Essentially it was basically the second best rookie QB after
Jayden Daniels. But bow Knicks, man, I love this attitude.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Colin.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Take a listen.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
I haven't done anything up until this point, and I
got a lot to prove, lots of shows, so you know,
every day it's it's working. Every day, it's find a
way to get better, because you don't want to get
to you know, year or two or go down the
road and you know, all of a sudden you got
stuck and didn't get any better. So that's my focus
right now, is just not even worried about what people
are saying. Just internally, you know, I know I got
(21:35):
a long way to go.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I hope everybody notices what they did to their defense. Greenlaw,
who funk on the back end. This is gonna be
a really good defense. They're not gonna have to win shootouts.
Bow Knicks is going to be a playoff quarterback again
next year.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
Okay, not that out of a take, I will say
I like the mindset of bow Knicks. I basically come
into work here. I've been on the show, I think
two years. I haven't accomplished anything. I got a long
way to go. I'm very stay humble, right, Like Kendrick
Lamar said, I think bon Nicks is growing on me.
By the way, do you remember when he came into
the studio, He was like the nicest guy, so quiet.
(22:11):
I think he was with his girlfriend, his mom, whatever
it was, and like he was just a laid back.
You would never guess this guy's gonna be, Oh my god,
top fifteen.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Pick, taken a game to the playoffs. Like I was stunned.
My favorite part was, I think he had five different
offensive coordinators in college, So this kid had constantly sort
of have to reinvent an offense Auburn, Oregon, Southwest Coast.
I mean, he had your typical successful franchise quarterback, college
journey turbulence, coordinators, coaching changes, different conferences. That's the way
(22:45):
it works. That's why if you look at a lot
of these quarterbacks, they don't come from traditional powers. They
have very chaotic journeys. Bone Nicks had sixty one college starts,
five different coordinators, two different regions. Liked him more than
a lot of the draft people. And I think he's
just gonna get better.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
By the way.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
You like how I'm being positive about all these young quarterbacks.
Anthony Richardson Caleb Williams, bow Knicks. I'm pro quarterback. I
want to give these guys a chance. Right, you gotta
let things bake. I don't know that bow can be
like a top five quarterback in the league, but you
have to be no.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I think he is exactly what And I heard this
before the draft. You know, Kyle Shanahan does not want
you add libbing. That's why he loves rock Perty. He
made a run at Kirk Cousins like there are You
know how they say styles make fights in boxing, styles
make quarterbacks. A lot of these coaches do not want
(23:44):
you add libbing. Sean Peyton is a play designer and
a play caller. Bow Knicks runs the plays and makes
the reads he wants to with some mobility. So I
think a lot of Peyton bow Knicks is their styles
work together.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
I do want to see him at play from behind. Uh,
I don't think that's gonna be the case this year.
A lot of game managing. Bro we got the greatest
defense in the league. We don't just don't screw it up.
Final story, come Major League Baseball. They're calling this the
defensive play of the year. Happened in the first inning
last night of A's Angels.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Take a listen the one all Fish and Nolan Shaanival
left handed hit or five ball left center Denzel going
back here in the track at the track right to
the wall, leave.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Big climbing the wall. Did he catch get hit?
Speaker 8 (24:30):
Dad?
Speaker 1 (24:31):
You can't believe what this kid is doing in center field.
He got himself suspended on top of the wall. Had
brought it back Brown number two? Every day is a
highlight show. Yeah, that's pretty special.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
I mean the A's I believe they lost this. Yeah,
Angels beat the A's a stink, But that was a
hell of a play.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Looked like Spider Man climbing up the wall. There so
there was a catch. I bet you's forty years ago,
and I bet our staff could find it before the
end of the show. In Japanese baseball that were similar. No,
I'm dead serious, it happened Broy forty to fifty years ago.
When I saw this last night, it made me think
of that catch in Japanese baseball. It could have been
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forty to fifty years ago. Staff YouTube it, go find
it and we'll run it before the end of the show.
But that's the best catch in baseball in a long time.
It's spectacular stuff. Jmack with the news, Well that's the news,
and thanks for stopping that. The Herd line news well well, well,
more positive news from Dure Sanders. You haters better unite
(25:39):
because it's gonna be a long six months watching this show.
More positive news on Shador Sanders next.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
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Speaker 1 (25:56):
Baseball ratings are up. So we showed you. I mean
it's almost military grade. Missiles from Shadur Sanders earlier today
at a mini camp Mandatory mini camp working with the
second team offense, Shaduur Sanders threading the needle up to sidelines.
And I know you think I'm embellishing, but here are
(26:17):
the numbers. Now, Flacco did not take snaps. It was
Dylan Gabriel, Kenny Pickett, and Shador Sanders. Look at the numbers.
Chadur once again the most accurate has he thrown in
interception in mini camp or OTAs I don't think he has.
(26:41):
He was ten for twelve, Kenny Pickett six of ten
kind of his career, Dylan Gabriel seven of eighteen. So
Schadeur's overall OTA in mini camp numbers seventy four percent
completion percentage by far and away the best of all
the Browns quarterbacks. Eight touchdown pick that's better than all
(27:02):
the other brown quarterbacks. And here we should or're talking
about mini camp.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
Other few things.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Is I got time.
Speaker 8 (27:09):
I got time to be able to grow and mature,
you know, and be able to understand the ins and
out to the defenses and be able to get the
good insight from the bets in the room. So I
look at it as you know, a pless like I
got time to actually be able to really have a
great understanding and whenever you know it's time for me
to play on and stuff from your plate. But I'm
(27:30):
not looking too far in the future about all that
I'm looking about every day in practice.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Listen, there is something to be said about people who
accurately throw football, like you can work on it, and
Josh Allen is an exception that you come into this
league inaccurate and become super accurate. There are guys Joe
Burrow jumps to mind, who's just always been pretty accurate,
right Like it's you know, Aaron Rodgers very early was
(27:59):
just really accurate. Shador Sanders high school, college, and in
camp he throws an accurate football. Now there are those
who say he holds on the ball too long. You know.
I think you can coach yourself. I mean, there's just
certain things you can coach up. You can't coach up size,
(28:21):
good luck with arm strength. But I think accuracy is another.
I think some guys are just accurate. And this kid
is Nick Wright. Earlier on the Cleveland quarterback race.
Speaker 9 (28:34):
I don't think they're going to keep four quarterbacks. I
know historically that's been done on the rare occasion. I
don't think they're going to My guess would be Flacco
and Picket are competing to be the starter, and whoever
is not the starter of those two veterans, the Browns
will try to trade one of them for like a
(28:56):
conditional seventh to another team. Shaudors for first objective should
be can I beat out Dylan Gabriel for the backup
quarterback job? Can I, from now until September first be
better than Dylan Gabriel?
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I think he can. And if you go.
Speaker 9 (29:14):
Into this season as the Browns backup quarterback, then you
are eventually going to be the Browns starting quarterback.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
That there, That's it, uh, And that's the real truth
here is if you look at the schedule, this is
the weakest roster in the division and it's not particularly close.
Not a lot of star power, best players, Miles Garrett
buy a lot and that and that schedule. And my
take yesterday was Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Jordan Love, Jared Goff.
(29:43):
That is a lot of high flying offense. So it
is very reasonable to assume that Cleveland's going to be
in track meets and they just don't have the firepower
to move the ball. And Jimmy haslam that for a
month of it. I think they're gonna I think you're
gonna get into I think Flacco is gonna start, and
I think if they go, they're not gonna beat Cincinnati
in Baltimore. They don't have the personnel, they don't have
(30:05):
the quarterback. So they're zero and two. Now, maybe they
beat Green Bay at home, but they're not going to Detroit,
so they're probably at best one in three Minnesota, depending
on JJ McCarthy's development. I think by the Minnesota game,
I think there's going to be a call from upstairs
to the coaching staff. I want to see should or Sanders.
And I think Nick Wright is nailing it. Flaco's going
(30:26):
to start. You go zero and three with this history
and this franchise, somebody else is getting a nod. And
Dylan Gabriel to me, is not a starting NFL quarterback.
And you key listen. Cleveland's seen Kenny Pickett play. Nobody's
getting excited for Kenny Pickett. Part of the NFL When
you're a bad team, are are you interesting? Shouldhur is interesting?
(30:48):
Is he great? I don't know, he's interesting. Let me
just ask yourself. One o'clock window, Week six, Just think
about this. It's the one o'clock window. Right, the best
games are the Fox or the CBS lag, the Sunday night,
the Monday night, Thursday night, one o'clock window, Week six.
You got it, Atlanta. You know, think about the teams
(31:09):
that would be in there. You got it, Atlanta. Maybe
Houston's in there, Maybe Carolina is in there, Tennessee's in there,
Cleveland's gonna be in that window. Who's getting you to
watch Shodure Sanders? Like, there are some things you can predict.
Baker Mayfield in the NFL was gonna get a number, right,
Like Caleb Williams with the Bears was gonna get a number.
(31:31):
Even Jayden Daniels didn't get the build up of Caleb.
Shodore Sanders is gonna get a number. And I think
it matters.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Yeah, you think Kevin Stefanski cares about a number. Colin, Colin,
you're gonna need Seal Team six to get Dylan Gabriel
out of the backup quarterback spot in Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
He has that thing locked up. People are tagging me
online right now in videos.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Hey tell Colin to show this Dylan Gabriel die.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Let me see if he's dropping dimes. Oh, I'm sure
we don't have it.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
Of course, we own published Chador videos, but I think
you're dreaming here. Honestly, this this Chador stuff, Like, I'm
rooting for the guy, but he's gonna have to be
extraordinary for Dylan Gabriel to lose that backup job because
Stefanski loves him.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Well, we only publish verified video. Some of this is
AI generated so so, but aren't you at least going
to acknowledge that the numbers for Shador sanders Ota to
Mini Camp. The numbers are seventy four percent completion percentage
and he's working with second teamers.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
You know what I like to say about numbers, right,
they're like a bikini. They show a lot, but they
don't show everything.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
So let's not just take this. Oh my gosh, look
at the numbers. Hey, it's a lock. I think we listen.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
Schador is a fun story, people are. He's no Caitlin
Clark in terms of moving the needle.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Let's be real, but he is.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
He has more juice than anyone else in his rookie class.
I mean, you've got a Bengals guy sitting out upset
with the Bengals. You know, there's not even a lot
of rookies moving the needle. This cam Ward, where's the
video of him in Tennessee?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Call? Have we seen anything again? We do not show
AI generated video. Dur stuff makes it through the sun.
Hit cright Brew, Kevin Wilds around the corner. It's the herd.
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