May 20, 2025 • 32 mins
The Niners continue to pay big money because they have missed on so many picks
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
You know, the stuff that gets all the headlines is
Jordan Hudson and Belichick's relationship. I'm actually fascinated how he does.
I think the ACC is so weak that Bill's just
going to win some games. But I've never prescribed to
the theory that all NFL greats work in college. Bill
Walsh had very modest success at Stanford because Bill was
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an academic and you get seventeen hours a week and
you're talking to kids, even if they're Stanford kids. I
always thought John Gruden would be a great college coach.
I thought Rex Ryan, big per personality, big smile, a
line of BS. I thought Rex Ryan would be a
great college coach. I never thought like Parcels or Belichick,
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a little like Charlie Weiss, sort of the academic, little
grumpy that guy doesn't work in college to me because
the players select you. Drew Bledsoe is now joining US
Live fourteen years, four time pro bowler, Patriots Hall of Fame,
joining his former number one overall pick. Yeah, forget, forget
all the Bill personal stuff. Is that college football is
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a lot. It's like the movie poster. What's the movie?
Pete Carroll Big energy, Bill Walsh lower energy? Academic. How
do you think he'll do as a coach.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
It's going to be interesting to watch Colin, you know,
and I think if nothing else, it's going to get
eyeballs right. So I mean, if that's what you're looking for,
you know, people are gonna be watching, you know, North
Carolina football. But you know, you're right, you do have
to you have to simplify things. You only get a
certain amount of time. And then you know, now coaching
in college is so much different too, because not only
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do you recruit guys coming in, you have to keep
recruiting recruiting them the entire time you're there. And you know,
Bill has always been so focused, you know, just one
dimensional on the football. It's going to be really interesting,
you know, to see, you know, how he does dealing
with all the other stuff that is involved in coaching college. Now.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yeah, the you know, nil makes it maybe a little
easier because you can just go buy guys. But you
know he didn't necessarily always work well with young players.
You know, the college football thing is interesting. I can
remember your college career very well. I look, we talked
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about this this morning, USC Notre Dame, and USC's like
time out. We got to go to Michigan, Iowa, Penn State,
Ohio State. We don't want to go to South Bend
in November. Where are my take his tradition entered the portal?
Get over it, like, where are you on? Like a
USC Notre Dame. We would you give that up? Because
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now the big ten page of seventy five eighty million
dollars a year, you don't need the revenue.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, I'm with you, calleg I love the tradition. I
love these these old rivalries and maybe, you know, maybe
we're just old, you know, maybe we just don't get it.
But man, it kind of breaks my heart a little bit.
You know, my dad played for the Washington Huskies, so
he was Pack eight Pac ten and I was, you know,
in the in the Pac ten. My son played for
the Kougs in the Pac twelve, and so now you
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got like three generations of our family history that's kind
of thrown out the door. So it's it's it bugs me.
I don't like the lack of or some of these
you know, traditions that have been broken down with the realignment.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
So in your day you played eight nine high school games,
it was slower growth. These days, I'm much tougher on quarterbacks,
seven on seven camps. You have your personal coaches. I
need By Thanksgiving of year two, I'm going to raise
my hand. I'm going to be in a room and
I know if you can player, you can't play. I'm
giving you about twenty five games. You are in a
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different world where you got three full years. And then
you looked at Eli and said, okay, it works. I
look at Caleb Williams. I looked at how good Burrow
was quickly, Jaden Daniels was quickly, Andrew Luck was quickly.
Lamar Jackson was When will you watch Caleb with now
kind of a stacked roster? When will you have strong
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opinions on Caleb Williams for the Bears next year?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah? You know, I think this year is going to
be pretty telling column, because you know, you come in
one of the one of the curses of being you know,
the top draft picks. You're generally going to a team
that's not very good unless there's some kind of crazy
trade or something, you know, and so now they're putting
a roster around him. The guy's you know, remarkably talented,
there's no questioning that. But this year it's going to
be interesting to watch his progression. You know. It's also
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you know, one thing for young quarterbacks is who they're
working with on a daily basis, you know, and what
kind of coaching are they getting. You know, you see
certain coaches. You know, Sean Payton comes to mind. Andy
Reid is a guy that's that's that's always been that guy.
You know. Quarterbacks have success when they're with these guys,
you know, and so you know, it'll be interesting to
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watch his his continued development. You know, this year, you know,
he probably gets this year to progress and then next year.
You know that third year it's kind of well, are
you going to are you going to re up on
this guy or is he going to move on someplace else.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I found people last year had really strong opinions on
his footwork. Hero ball. If if you just watched him.
What was your general impression. I'm not saying things were
built for him to succeed, but what was there a
general uneasiness sometimes when you watch him.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, you know, it's it's again. It's sometimes that remarkable
talent can be a little bit of a curse. You know,
I had a big arm, and that got me into
some trouble from time to time, because you know, you
tend to think you can every throw, you can fit
the ball into the tightest spot. And sometimes, you know,
as a quarterback, you just have to take the easy play.
You got to take the checkdown, you got to you
got to take five yards. You don't have to make
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the wild play every single time. Especially you know when
that you know, when you're risking, you know, losing a
game because you're trying to force something to happen. You know,
you watch you know, like I you know, Pat Mahomes
is probably the best guy playing right now, best guy's
played for quite a while. You watch him, especially like
this last year, in the last couple of years, there
was not a lot of wow stuff in the first
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three quarters or first three and a half quarters.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Right, and then when he and and then when he
had to boom.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
You know, he can make that wild play, but but
you know, he really seems to understand that quarterback thing
where you first do no harm. It's kind of like
you're a doctor, right, you know, the hippocratic oath. First
you do no harm. And and that's that's one thing
that a guy that Caleb has to understand, is like, look,
you know, the wild plays once in a while, yeah,
you have to, but but the rest of the game,
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you really need to be able to manage the game
and keep it close and keep your team in the
game and not lose the game before you have a
chance to win it.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
You know, you're tied to Robert Craft in New England.
You're in the Patriots Hall of Fame's there's not a
lot of players, former players that go on to be
great coaches. Okay, Belichick wasn't, Andy Reid wasn't. McVeigh was
an athlete, but wasn't. Kyle Shanahan wasn't. Rabel was a
good player, but he's a hell of a coach. And
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Dan Campbell again was solid. But it really works. What
is your insight on what is it about Rabel that
because I think he's really good and most guys who
played at the high level, they're too busy being players
to worry about to worry about anything else. What is
his secret sauce?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Yeah, you know, I only played with Mike for one year,
and we were close enough friends that felt like we
played together for like five or six years. But Mike
had then and I think still to this day, has
just tireless energy. You know, he would go to practice
and run all of the defensive steps, then he would
play scout team and then for you know, just burn
off some energy. He would go run down on scout team, kickoff,
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like just tireless energy, and so you start there. You know,
that's something that you see with Dan Campbell too, just
like his energy is infectious, and then Brags is incredibly smart.
You know, he's a brilliant, brilliant guy. But I also
think there is Colin. There's something about, you know, being
a player that gives you some credibility with your team.
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I know it hasn't always hasn't always translated, but you know,
I remember watching Danny Campbell in training camp telling his
guys like, guys, I don't want to put you in pads.
But if I knew there was another way to get
you ready to play. We wouldn't do this, I promise,
And they know he means it because he was there.
He was one of them. He was you know, he
went through he went through two a days. He knows
how much it sucks. And uh, you know. So I
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do think that if you have the you know, the
energy of the intelligence, if you combine that with the
credibility that goes with having actually been there and done
that and knowing how it feels, I think that's really
meaningful to players.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Go back to all your quarterback coaches and your coordinators.
Who was the best former player that you had as
a coach in your career?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
You know I had, I had eight different offensive coordinators
and probably nine different quarterback coaches. Wow, the one the
one that I that I really wish I only got
to work with him for one year. I really wish
I could have worked for Sean Payton more. You know,
he was he was an artist when it came to
calling plays. You know, he really understood the game. He
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he you know, and his the great coordinators and quarterback coaches,
and it's really important. It was still important to me
and I was in my you know, thirteenth year or whatever.
But they make things more simple for you. You know,
they don't give you, they don't overload you with too
much information. They're able to take, you know, really complex
things and make them make them simple for you. And
that's you know what I hope that is going to
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happen for Drake May in New England, you know, with
the the other Josh McDaniels or our winemaker is Josh McDaniels,
but it's not the same guy. So we always so
we always so well, we we always call him the
other Josh McDaniels, but the other Josh McDaniels working with
Drake May. You know, I really believe that he'll have
the ability to to, you know, help Drake simplify things,
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you know, going into this next season, and then to
kind of bring him along slowly as he as he
continues to progress and can process more. But I'm really
excited to watch that happen.
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And finally, I think Schadur will be fine. I think
he was underdrafted, but there aren't a lot of traits.
He doesn't spin it like you. He's not as tall
as you. He didn't move like Lamari that you know,
he doesn't have a lot you go wow. But I
do think he didn't have a good old line of
a run game. And he played really well against much
better teams, And I think there's value in playing well.
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Where do you when you watch him and you watch
them a little bit of Colorado? If you'd never heard
any other analysts talk about shad Or Sanders, when you
watched him play as a former NFL pick, what did
you see that you liked or didn't? Did you think
he was a first round player?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yeah? I did, I did, Colin, I thought of you.
I thought he was first round talent. I don't know.
I don't know the guy. I still it's sort of
a mystery to me why he fell as far as
he did. But when I watch him, he's accurate. He
throws with anticipation. You know, there's a there's a quarterback
thing that I always look for if I'm watching quarterbacks,
you know, the ones that are successful, you can almost
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see the future, right. You have to be to anticipate.
You have to throw guys open. If you wait to
see a guy open, especially as you rise at the
NFL level, then you're behind and you're just not going
to be successful. And I've watched that happen with some
quarterbacks that really big arm talent, but they had to
wait to see somebody open before they throw the ball.
Sdar seems to be able to anticipate well. I liked
watching him playing in college. Again, he didn't have a
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time you know, of you know, help up front. He
was getting hit. It's another thing that I look for,
you know, I'm always kind of suspicious when you see
some of these not always, but some of these quarterbacks
that come out of the great programs at Ohio States
and Alabama's of the world, because you know they're out
there there. Guys are better than the other guys. They're
not getting hit, they're throwing to open guys. You know,
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most guys should be able to do that. But when
you watch a guy that's getting hit repeatedly and still
popping up and making the place for you, you know,
that's something that is a quality that's hard to learn
if you can learn it. And he got his ass
knocked off in college and still continued to battle and
then play and play and play well. So you know,
so I believe he's going to have some success, you know,
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at some point, whether it's this year, next year, whenever
that happens.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, I will tell you when I watched Jared Goff
at Cal never got hurt and he got blistered for
three four years, and I was like, I don't know
if he's any good, but that skinny kid never gets hurt.
Some guys just bounce back. Eli Manning never got hurt.
You know, it's just the way it works.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah. No, the best ability is availability, right, That's what
the old saying. And then you you know, and it's
not just the durability piece, but it's the mental toughness
of being knowing that you're knowing that you're going to
get hit the next play, but still standing in there
and delivering the ball and doing that over and over again.
You know. That's a that's a hard thing to learn.
(13:21):
You know, it really is a hard thing to learn.
I don't know you can learn it. Uh, And Sure
seems to have that ability to uh to take take
his take his hits and then and keep battle.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Okay, Double Back Winery check it out. Double Back Winery
was it a good year? As they ask in your industry.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
It's a great vintage, calling great vintage. Mother Nature is
very very kind to us. The critics have been really
kind to us as well, which is good. You know, critics.
I've always view wine critics kind of like sports writers.
I want to put a lot of them in a
bag and a stick. But but, but but but every
once in a while they're nice to us. You know,
they give us. You know, we've got a couple, we've
got a couple of hundred point scores recently, so you know, now,
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I know I love the critics because they're they're giving
us some nice ratings on the lines.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Look it up, double back Winery, Drew Brudd. So it's
great to see as always Drew.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Yeah, man, it's been too long calling. Good to see
you again, buddy.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
All right, Yeah, the there sdur got roasted and Jared
goff in College got some moked and almost got back up.
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
No, no, this is the headline news.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Oh that was a great line by Blood Cell sports writer.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Anyways, Colin, this first topic is guysy Okay, let's be
careful here, but uh, Bill Belichick and Jordan Hudson.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Obviously, people are obsessed with the story.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
According to the Athletic Colin there is a report that
Jordan Hudson has told at least one person they are.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Engaged to be married.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Okay, this comes off of the report, of course, that
Belichick's family was concerned about the relationship. So the Athletic
huge beast on them relationship, which is weird. I can't
remember the last piece I've read about a coach dating someone,
But I digress.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Go for it. Love is in the air. I'm not judgmental.
It's not the first old rich guy to marry somebody young.
There's energy. Like I I'm not real judgmental on it.
It's I I think they probably get along well. I think,
oh really, you know, listen, you know, marriages don't all
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come from a place of you know, meeting in high
school and sweethearts forever, and a lot of people get
the different stages in their life. And Belichick is older,
kids are out of the house, he's on a college campus.
He met somebody that makes him feel great. She, by
the way, meets somebody and she's like, it's nice to
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be successful. It's nice to not have to worry about
you know, certain I don't. I mean, it's it's there's
a lot of negotiating going on in relationships everywhere. I'm
not real judgmental line. Couple are happy blew them up.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Obviously, we don't judge. We just offer our opinions.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
And I think you and I are both pretty happy
for the Uh. Is this a May December romance? Has
been with one year and they're allegedly engaged. Yeah, let's
just move on to the next story.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Shall we call it.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
To the NBA where the Warriors got eliminated. Obviously in
the second round, step Carey didn't play Golden State. You know,
they were hoping Jimmy Butler could kind of carry him
and make it interesting. He took just twenty shots in
the final two games. He was a robust minus forty seven.
Dwayne Wade did not like what he saw and called
out Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
I didn't like his the way he just approached the game.
Like I know Jimmy as a pass first guy. I
know he's about getting his teammates to ball and want
to see them shine. But it's a point where you
getting six this ain't working. You gotta go. Yeah, he
want to look at the basket. And I've seen this before.
I've seen it in Eat Jersey, and so you know
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in the sins, like when Pat come out pass say
we want to give you the stension is not always
because of injury. Sometimes I need to see what you're
gonna do in every moment, not just in one moment.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah, I thought he was disappointing in the last game
of the season. I thought he didn't. It took like
eleven shots.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
He went all out Colin in Game three to try
to get them that win and was closed.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
They lost down the stretch he did.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
I think he had like thirty steps, so he had
a lot of points, did everything.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
They just came up short.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
At that point, you kind of knew that the rep
was it great in the final two games, but like,
what are we expecting? They weren't winning that series. If
you went for forty an each.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Game, Well, I mean ask yourself this, if I said,
I mean, how good of a player is he? So
let's just just just right now, you and me, off
the top of our head, name the top ten players
in the league. So let's just say, yo, kitsch SGA,
it's Jannie Luca. Yeah, Luca, let's do and let's do
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Jason Tatum, Lebron, Let's let's do the Steph Lebron eight.
I think Jalen Brunson's got to be somewhere else there
Jalen Brunson, okay, so Arnold Vernon, Okay, Halliburton, we'll put
it ten. We could Okay, let me think this. Let
me look over this real quick, yo, Kitch Sga, Jannis,
Luca and Tatum, Steph Lebron, Brunton, Haliburton. I would say eleven, Anthony.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Davis, Anthony Davis certainly in there.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Okay, hold on, let's did you say Katie? I would
I was just gonna say a d at eleven, kad
at twelve, thirteen, I would put Booker, Ooker okay, Kate
Cunningham or too early, No, I'll do Kate Cunningham at fourteen, Mitchel,
Uh Donovan Mitchell at fifteen again, I'd probably I may
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put him by Okay, So okay, so there I order
you can argue over. Yeah, So for our audience, Jokic Sga, Jannis, Luca, Aunt, Tatum,
Steph Lebron, Brunson, Halliburton, eighty, Kdie, Booker, Cade Mitchell Okay,
so he's not a top fifteen NBA player, So when
you're not a top fifteen NBA player, you could have
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bad playoff games. And that's my take. And would Jimmy
Butler be sixteenth, seventeenth, eighteenth, He's certainly in that. Jalen
Brown's gotta be somewhere.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Why Leonard, Yeah, there's a guy. But bottom line is, hey,
Anthony Davis.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Without Kyrie could not get Dallas out of the play
in all right. This idea that Jimmy Butler was going
to take down the Timberwolves with with pods and Kuminga
and this poop poop ladder of mediocre players, that's just
not happening.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
I think Wade out of pocket here.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
If you want me to go off, I think Wade
auditioning for his next gig where he's going to be
an analyst on the NBA game Like this, this felt
like almost Judgie and mean because Butler said no, thank
you to the Miami Heat for Dwayne Wade is like
the mayor of the team. I didn't like what I
heard from Waite. Jimmy Butler has never once half passed anything.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
That dude is a warrior.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
He carried the heat to the final twice. I didn't
like what I heard from Wade who I weared Wade
Waighte sneakers when I'm a big fan, I didn't like this.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I have Kowhi because he never plays at sixteen, could
be higher, and Jalen Brown seventeen. I have Jimmy Butler
at eighteen. And by the way, there's an argument John
Morant zion marking and there's a lot of guys in
that space.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Yeah, by the way, I had it. Had Jalen Brown
do in a game? Oh whatever? What it was?
Speaker 7 (20:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Six?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
So again, where was he? When you're not a top
fourteen to fifteen player, you have bad playoff games. So
that's why I take with Butler is no, he took
eleven shots. I mean the bottom line, he was carrying
the offense. When Steph got Heer, I mean it was
he mingo. We're doing all them in pods a little bit.
We're doing all the score.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Well for Buddy Heal. Does it show up soccer? The
Warriors aren't competitive? Final story, Colin.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Let's go to baseball. This is like a spicy one.
Juan Soto, the big money guy for the New York Bets,
he got some hot water last night after hitting what
he thought was a home run over the Great Monster.
But look at him if you're watching it home. He
doesn't hustle out of the box. He's kind of lollygagging
admiring a shot. It ended up being one of the
longest singles maybe I'll say baseball history. But the reason
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he was lollygagging was because that's that's kind of his style.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
He's too cool for school guy. Here's what his manager
said after the game.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
He thought he had it, you know, with a win
and all that, and in this ballpark, you know, anyway,
any anywhere, but in particular.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
In this one with the wall right there, you gotta
get out of the box.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
So yeah, well we at least calls that. I hate
it pretty hard, really sure, Green Monster, But I tried
to get the second, but it wasn't enough. Last a
couple of.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Nights, you've had a couple of plays where you were
slow getting out of the box, and that's something you
have to be.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
More aware of.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
No, I think bank hustle only very hard.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
If you see it today, you care te.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, that's kind of Robinson Cano used to have this
rep a little bit. I mean, it's when you pay
a player big money. People want people want to hustle.
That's just, you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
I don't know Cole.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
I mean, listen, he got a seven hundred and sixty
five million dollar deal, so now sports writers are demanding
that he's sprint out of the box on every ball
that he's hit. Like, come on, obviously this isn't a
great look. But it's one hundred and sixty two game season.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Well, you only get four at bats. It's not asking
a ton to hustle.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Yeah, no, that's fair.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
I don't even again, I don't like the metso and
that's why I kind of relish this whole seven hundred
and sixty five dollars a guy can get, can't sprint
out of the box.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
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Speaker 1 (24:09):
Media that's Cavino and Rich welcome back. You know, we
were talking earlier today about like the parody in the NBA,
and it just it just doesn't exist my entire life.
Governments are trying to create, even sports leagues are trying
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to create even and it doesn't exist in Europe. It
doesn't exist on the PGA Tour, the Tennis Tour, it
doesn't appear. It doesn't work anywhere. I mean, look, I
as a kid growing up, you used to get one
hundred and twenty five scholarships. Then they cut it to
eighty five. They didn't want you to hog all the scholarships.
And now oh remember nil came out and everybody said, oh,
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everybody can compete. Now it's the same teams. Ohio State
just want to NATI. The year before was Michigan. Georgia
is still good. So's Texas. You know, Notre Dame. It's
the same brands over and O, and it will. The
NBA says it wants more parody and it'll be interesting
because it does look like going forward roster construction and
point guard play. Elevating B and C guys is the
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way to do it. I mean since twenty nineteen, Raptors, Lakers, Bucks, Warriors, Nuggets, Celtics,
you've usually had one great player, you know. Raptors had Kawhi,
Lakers had Lebron Jannis, Steph Jokic, kind of collaborative with
the Celtics, you know, Okac's favored. They have like the
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league's leading score in SGA. Rick Buker, though, talked about
like the parent the parody going forward.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
We've gotten the most we can out of out of
the American audience. Where and we're never going to beat
the NFL. Where can we expand in a way, Where's
where is our sweet spot? And it really is globally
and so parody on that. We got to build target,
We got to build our big box building and drawing
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an audience that way, because that's our advantage over the
other professional leagues in the United States.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
That's what Adam Silver is doing.
Speaker 7 (26:13):
So if I can sell a million okay See jerseys
this year, and I can sell a million Timberwolves jerseys
next year, and I can get that global audience to
be buying into all the different teams that I have,
I have a better chance of expanding my audience than
simply having everybody wanting to watch Lebron.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
But I was saying, like in the NFL, there's at
least four new playoff teams every year, and to me,
it's getting harder and harder to find the new teams
because it's really become an offensive head coach quarterback league.
And so like this year in the AFC and last year,
I just wanted the best quarterbacks and my playoff teams.
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This year in the AFC, I struggled to find two
new playoff teams. One of them had Burrow, and I figured, Okay,
Burroll will make it. And then I think Drake May
is Justin Herbert on the East Coast, and I think
Vrabel's a really good coach. But by and large, if
you go look at my picks, it's Mahomes, Josh Allen, You, Burrow,
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Lamar Jackson, C. J. Stroud, and Harball with Justin Herbert,
I'm stretching to find new teams. If you go to
the NFC, setting out NFC is not as good as
a quarterback conference, but I'm immediately going Jalen Hurts and
the Eagles stack roster Jared Goff. I think Baker's the
best quarterback in his division. Matt Stafford is the best
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quarterback in his division. And I think now Wild Cards
Jaden Daniels the best quarterback in his division. I'm struggling
to find two new teams. I do the Seahawks because
they actually have an advantage in the playoffs. They have
more prep time than any NFL team on their schedule.
They only one game all year, have less prep time
for a game. And I also think they're coach and
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the roster is really good. But I'm stretching to put
the Bears in over the Packers. I could flip it
based on you know what we hear or injuries, but
as parody's gone, the NBA is now going to own it.
I struggled this year knowing I got to come up
with four new playoff teams. That's the minimum over the
last thirty years. And I wonder if we're going into
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a space as the NFL has become much more quarterback, offensive,
head coach centric, if we're going to see less change
in the NFL. And also, there are more games now,
we have seventeen games, not sixteen, and we're moving to
eighteen games. Well, the longer a schedule is, it would
benefit the best quarterbacks and the best GMS and rosters
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and coaches. You know, I've always said I could run
Microsoft for two weeks, I couldn't run it for two
months or two years. The longer I was there, the
worst the company would be. You know, the shorter your schedule,
the easier it is for upsets and dark horses. But
as the NFL expands its schedule to eventually eighteen games,
that's only going to benefit better corequarterbacks and better coaches.
So I think you'll have even fewer surprises. So I
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just I just think it's harder now. Again, I like
Seattle over San Francisco. But if San Francisco, because their
schedule is the easiest in a decade in the NFL,
if San Francisco made the playoffs, wouldn't that be a
team that largely we predict as a playoff team. I mean,
Seattle's kind of random, right like Washington. I'm going just
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with quarterback. So I guess my point is this fight
for parody, the NBA finally has it. I don't know
if it works. We'll see it didn't work. In the
seventies and everybody was winning a different year. The audience.
The audience says they want it. People say they want
a lot of things. I don't think OKAC in Minnesota
will rate, That's my take. It won't rate. I think
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the Knicks and the Pacers will rate. What say you, so, Colin?
Speaker 5 (29:51):
I seem to recall in the whole idea of being
in the media or sports.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
You want tea.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
You want people to love you or hate you. You
don't want to be in the middle, which is kind
of like indifferent. Hey man, that guy has to take.
But I don't really care. People loved or hated super teams,
Lebron super teams, the Heatles.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Not one, not two.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
People hated that, Colin. People hated the Super Team Warriors.
They were polarizing, they generated massive numbers.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
I just don't know.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
If you go and pull people on the streets of Chicago,
hey man, how do you feel about the conference finals?
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Okay? Sure, okay? See aunt Edward's like.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Nobody really loves or hates even the Knicks. Usually people
dislike New York teams.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Jalen Brunson's lovable. He's like Steph Curry, the King of
the mid range.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
So I just don't know that there's a polarizing team
or player in the conference finals, and I think that
hurts casuals from tuning in versus checking out the latest
season of and or on streaming.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
So again, I don't know if you disagree or not, but.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
David Stern inherited a league where you had parody. He
was very comfortable with New York with you Ing, Chicago
with Jordan, the Lakers with Magic, Boston with Bird. He
was very comfortable. Big markets dominating the league. He was
comfortable with it. Nike was comfortable with it. David Falk
was the top agent. He had the biggest stars in
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the biggest markets, so that's the world he was comfortable with.
David Stern did not deal with a lot of international stars.
A little bit more as he got older. I think
Adam Silver's heart's in the right place. I think he
is a bit It's not naive, He's not naive. He's
more of an idealist. Let's share, let's share the wealth.
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I think it sounds good, but if you look at
what Hollywood is trying to do, what is I just
watched the Netflix series last night was great and with
my wife six episodes, and there's definitely a dark side
to it and a villain. In fact, there's a couple
of different villains, and they switched throughout everybody that's writing movies.
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There's a good guy in bad guy for every mission impossible,
and there's like no bad guy. I mean, that's what
I said about Jason Tatum, face of the league. He's
too likable. Nobody hates Jason Tatum. So it's it's it's
an idealistic way to do operate a business. We'll see
if it works. I'll watch. I'm not sure if casuals will.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
You know, the stuff that gets all the headlines is
Jordan Hudson and Belichick's relationship. I'm actually fascinated how he does.
I think the ACC is so weak that Bill's just
going to win some games. But I've never prescribed to
the theory that all NFL greats work in college. Bill
Walsh had very modest success at Stanford because Bill was
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an academic and you get seventeen hours a week and
you're talking to kids, even if they're Stanford kids. I
always thought John Gruden would be a great college coach.
I thought Rex Ryan, big per personality, big smile, a
line of BS. I thought Rex Ryan would be a
great college coach. I never thought like Parcels or Belichick,
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a little like Charlie Weiss, sort of the academic, little
grumpy that guy doesn't work in college to me because
the players select you. Drew Bledsoe is now joining US
Live fourteen years, four time pro bowler, Patriots Hall of Fame,
joining his former number one overall pick. Yeah, forget, forget
all the Bill personal stuff. Is that college football is
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a lot. It's like the movie poster. What's the movie?
Pete Carroll Big energy, Bill Walsh lower energy? Academic. How
do you think he'll do as a coach.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
It's going to be interesting to watch Colin, you know,
and I think if nothing else, it's going to get
eyeballs right. So I mean, if that's what you're looking for,
you know, people are gonna be watching, you know, North
Carolina football. But you know, you're right, you do have
to you have to simplify things. You only get a
certain amount of time. And then you know, now coaching
in college is so much different too, because not only
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do you recruit guys coming in, you have to keep
recruiting recruiting them the entire time you're there. And you know,
Bill has always been so focused, you know, just one
dimensional on the football. It's going to be really interesting,
you know, to see, you know, how he does dealing
with all the other stuff that is involved in coaching college. Now.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yeah, the you know, nil makes it maybe a little
easier because you can just go buy guys. But you
know he didn't necessarily always work well with young players.
You know, the college football thing is interesting. I can
remember your college career very well. I look, we talked
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about this this morning, USC Notre Dame, and USC's like
time out. We got to go to Michigan, Iowa, Penn State,
Ohio State. We don't want to go to South Bend
in November. Where are my take his tradition entered the portal?
Get over it, like, where are you on? Like a
USC Notre Dame. We would you give that up? Because
(03:05):
now the big ten page of seventy five eighty million
dollars a year, you don't need the revenue.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, I'm with you, calleg I love the tradition. I
love these these old rivalries and maybe, you know, maybe
we're just old, you know, maybe we just don't get it.
But man, it kind of breaks my heart a little bit.
You know, my dad played for the Washington Huskies, so
he was Pack eight Pac ten and I was, you know,
in the in the Pac ten. My son played for
the Kougs in the Pac twelve, and so now you
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got like three generations of our family history that's kind
of thrown out the door. So it's it's it bugs me.
I don't like the lack of or some of these
you know, traditions that have been broken down with the realignment.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
So in your day you played eight nine high school games,
it was slower growth. These days, I'm much tougher on quarterbacks,
seven on seven camps. You have your personal coaches. I
need By Thanksgiving of year two, I'm going to raise
my hand. I'm going to be in a room and
I know if you can player, you can't play. I'm
giving you about twenty five games. You are in a
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different world where you got three full years. And then
you looked at Eli and said, okay, it works. I
look at Caleb Williams. I looked at how good Burrow
was quickly, Jaden Daniels was quickly, Andrew Luck was quickly.
Lamar Jackson was When will you watch Caleb with now
kind of a stacked roster? When will you have strong
(04:27):
opinions on Caleb Williams for the Bears next year?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah? You know, I think this year is going to
be pretty telling column, because you know, you come in
one of the one of the curses of being you know,
the top draft picks. You're generally going to a team
that's not very good unless there's some kind of crazy
trade or something, you know, and so now they're putting
a roster around him. The guy's you know, remarkably talented,
there's no questioning that. But this year it's going to
be interesting to watch his progression. You know. It's also
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you know, one thing for young quarterbacks is who they're
working with on a daily basis, you know, and what
kind of coaching are they getting. You know, you see
certain coaches. You know, Sean Payton comes to mind. Andy
Reid is a guy that's that's that's always been that guy.
You know. Quarterbacks have success when they're with these guys,
you know, and so you know, it'll be interesting to
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watch his his continued development. You know, this year, you know,
he probably gets this year to progress and then next year.
You know that third year it's kind of well, are
you going to are you going to re up on
this guy or is he going to move on someplace else.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I found people last year had really strong opinions on
his footwork. Hero ball. If if you just watched him.
What was your general impression. I'm not saying things were
built for him to succeed, but what was there a
general uneasiness sometimes when you watch him.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, you know, it's it's again. It's sometimes that remarkable
talent can be a little bit of a curse. You know,
I had a big arm, and that got me into
some trouble from time to time, because you know, you
tend to think you can every throw, you can fit
the ball into the tightest spot. And sometimes, you know,
as a quarterback, you just have to take the easy play.
You got to take the checkdown, you got to you
got to take five yards. You don't have to make
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the wild play every single time. Especially you know when
that you know, when you're risking, you know, losing a
game because you're trying to force something to happen. You know,
you watch you know, like I you know, Pat Mahomes
is probably the best guy playing right now, best guy's
played for quite a while. You watch him, especially like
this last year, in the last couple of years, there
was not a lot of wow stuff in the first
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three quarters or first three and a half quarters.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Right, and then when he and and then when he
had to boom.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
You know, he can make that wild play, but but
you know, he really seems to understand that quarterback thing
where you first do no harm. It's kind of like
you're a doctor, right, you know, the hippocratic oath. First
you do no harm. And and that's that's one thing
that a guy that Caleb has to understand, is like, look,
you know, the wild plays once in a while, yeah,
you have to, but but the rest of the game,
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you really need to be able to manage the game
and keep it close and keep your team in the
game and not lose the game before you have a
chance to win it.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
You know, you're tied to Robert Craft in New England.
You're in the Patriots Hall of Fame's there's not a
lot of players, former players that go on to be
great coaches. Okay, Belichick wasn't, Andy Reid wasn't. McVeigh was
an athlete, but wasn't. Kyle Shanahan wasn't. Rabel was a
good player, but he's a hell of a coach. And
(07:26):
Dan Campbell again was solid. But it really works. What
is your insight on what is it about Rabel that
because I think he's really good and most guys who
played at the high level, they're too busy being players
to worry about to worry about anything else. What is
his secret sauce?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Yeah, you know, I only played with Mike for one year,
and we were close enough friends that felt like we
played together for like five or six years. But Mike
had then and I think still to this day, has
just tireless energy. You know, he would go to practice
and run all of the defensive steps, then he would
play scout team and then for you know, just burn
off some energy. He would go run down on scout team, kickoff,
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like just tireless energy, and so you start there. You know,
that's something that you see with Dan Campbell too, just
like his energy is infectious, and then Brags is incredibly smart.
You know, he's a brilliant, brilliant guy. But I also
think there is Colin. There's something about, you know, being
a player that gives you some credibility with your team.
(08:32):
I know it hasn't always hasn't always translated, but you know,
I remember watching Danny Campbell in training camp telling his
guys like, guys, I don't want to put you in pads.
But if I knew there was another way to get
you ready to play. We wouldn't do this, I promise,
And they know he means it because he was there.
He was one of them. He was you know, he
went through he went through two a days. He knows
how much it sucks. And uh, you know. So I
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do think that if you have the you know, the
energy of the intelligence, if you combine that with the
credibility that goes with having actually been there and done
that and knowing how it feels, I think that's really
meaningful to players.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Go back to all your quarterback coaches and your coordinators.
Who was the best former player that you had as
a coach in your career?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
You know I had, I had eight different offensive coordinators
and probably nine different quarterback coaches. Wow, the one the
one that I that I really wish I only got
to work with him for one year. I really wish
I could have worked for Sean Payton more. You know,
he was he was an artist when it came to
calling plays. You know, he really understood the game. He
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he you know, and his the great coordinators and quarterback coaches,
and it's really important. It was still important to me
and I was in my you know, thirteenth year or whatever.
But they make things more simple for you. You know,
they don't give you, they don't overload you with too
much information. They're able to take, you know, really complex
things and make them make them simple for you. And
that's you know what I hope that is going to
(10:00):
happen for Drake May in New England, you know, with
the the other Josh McDaniels or our winemaker is Josh McDaniels,
but it's not the same guy. So we always so
we always so well, we we always call him the
other Josh McDaniels, but the other Josh McDaniels working with
Drake May. You know, I really believe that he'll have
the ability to to, you know, help Drake simplify things,
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you know, going into this next season, and then to
kind of bring him along slowly as he as he
continues to progress and can process more. But I'm really
excited to watch that happen.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
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Speaker 1 (10:38):
And finally, I think Schadur will be fine. I think
he was underdrafted, but there aren't a lot of traits.
He doesn't spin it like you. He's not as tall
as you. He didn't move like Lamari that you know,
he doesn't have a lot you go wow. But I
do think he didn't have a good old line of
a run game. And he played really well against much
better teams, And I think there's value in playing well.
(10:59):
Where do you when you watch him and you watch
them a little bit of Colorado? If you'd never heard
any other analysts talk about shad Or Sanders, when you
watched him play as a former NFL pick, what did
you see that you liked or didn't? Did you think
he was a first round player?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yeah? I did, I did, Colin, I thought of you.
I thought he was first round talent. I don't know.
I don't know the guy. I still it's sort of
a mystery to me why he fell as far as
he did. But when I watch him, he's accurate. He
throws with anticipation. You know, there's a there's a quarterback
thing that I always look for if I'm watching quarterbacks,
you know, the ones that are successful, you can almost
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see the future, right. You have to be to anticipate.
You have to throw guys open. If you wait to
see a guy open, especially as you rise at the
NFL level, then you're behind and you're just not going
to be successful. And I've watched that happen with some
quarterbacks that really big arm talent, but they had to
wait to see somebody open before they throw the ball.
Sdar seems to be able to anticipate well. I liked
watching him playing in college. Again, he didn't have a
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time you know, of you know, help up front. He
was getting hit. It's another thing that I look for,
you know, I'm always kind of suspicious when you see
some of these not always, but some of these quarterbacks
that come out of the great programs at Ohio States
and Alabama's of the world, because you know they're out
there there. Guys are better than the other guys. They're
not getting hit, they're throwing to open guys. You know,
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most guys should be able to do that. But when
you watch a guy that's getting hit repeatedly and still
popping up and making the place for you, you know,
that's something that is a quality that's hard to learn
if you can learn it. And he got his ass
knocked off in college and still continued to battle and
then play and play and play well. So you know,
so I believe he's going to have some success, you know,
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at some point, whether it's this year, next year, whenever
that happens.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, I will tell you when I watched Jared Goff
at Cal never got hurt and he got blistered for
three four years, and I was like, I don't know
if he's any good, but that skinny kid never gets hurt.
Some guys just bounce back. Eli Manning never got hurt.
You know, it's just the way it works.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah. No, the best ability is availability, right, That's what
the old saying. And then you you know, and it's
not just the durability piece, but it's the mental toughness
of being knowing that you're knowing that you're going to
get hit the next play, but still standing in there
and delivering the ball and doing that over and over again.
You know. That's a that's a hard thing to learn.
(13:21):
You know, it really is a hard thing to learn.
I don't know you can learn it. Uh, And Sure
seems to have that ability to uh to take take
his take his hits and then and keep battle.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Okay, Double Back Winery check it out. Double Back Winery
was it a good year? As they ask in your industry.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
It's a great vintage, calling great vintage. Mother Nature is
very very kind to us. The critics have been really
kind to us as well, which is good. You know, critics.
I've always view wine critics kind of like sports writers.
I want to put a lot of them in a
bag and a stick. But but, but but but every
once in a while they're nice to us. You know,
they give us. You know, we've got a couple, we've
got a couple of hundred point scores recently, so you know, now,
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I know I love the critics because they're they're giving
us some nice ratings on the lines.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Look it up, double back Winery, Drew Brudd. So it's
great to see as always Drew.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Yeah, man, it's been too long calling. Good to see
you again, buddy.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
All right, Yeah, the there sdur got roasted and Jared
goff in College got some moked and almost got back up.
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
No, no, this is the headline news.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Oh that was a great line by Blood Cell sports writer.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Anyways, Colin, this first topic is guysy Okay, let's be
careful here, but uh, Bill Belichick and Jordan Hudson.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Obviously, people are obsessed with the story.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
According to the Athletic Colin there is a report that
Jordan Hudson has told at least one person they are.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Engaged to be married.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Okay, this comes off of the report, of course, that
Belichick's family was concerned about the relationship. So the Athletic
huge beast on them relationship, which is weird. I can't
remember the last piece I've read about a coach dating someone,
But I digress.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Go for it. Love is in the air. I'm not judgmental.
It's not the first old rich guy to marry somebody young.
There's energy. Like I I'm not real judgmental on it.
It's I I think they probably get along well. I think,
oh really, you know, listen, you know, marriages don't all
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come from a place of you know, meeting in high
school and sweethearts forever, and a lot of people get
the different stages in their life. And Belichick is older,
kids are out of the house, he's on a college campus.
He met somebody that makes him feel great. She, by
the way, meets somebody and she's like, it's nice to
(15:55):
be successful. It's nice to not have to worry about
you know, certain I don't. I mean, it's it's there's
a lot of negotiating going on in relationships everywhere. I'm
not real judgmental line. Couple are happy blew them up.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Obviously, we don't judge. We just offer our opinions.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
And I think you and I are both pretty happy
for the Uh. Is this a May December romance? Has
been with one year and they're allegedly engaged. Yeah, let's
just move on to the next story.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Shall we call it.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
To the NBA where the Warriors got eliminated. Obviously in
the second round, step Carey didn't play Golden State. You know,
they were hoping Jimmy Butler could kind of carry him
and make it interesting. He took just twenty shots in
the final two games. He was a robust minus forty seven.
Dwayne Wade did not like what he saw and called
out Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
I didn't like his the way he just approached the game.
Like I know Jimmy as a pass first guy. I
know he's about getting his teammates to ball and want
to see them shine. But it's a point where you
getting six this ain't working. You gotta go. Yeah, he
want to look at the basket. And I've seen this before.
I've seen it in Eat Jersey, and so you know
(17:10):
in the sins, like when Pat come out pass say
we want to give you the stension is not always
because of injury. Sometimes I need to see what you're
gonna do in every moment, not just in one moment.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah, I thought he was disappointing in the last game
of the season. I thought he didn't. It took like
eleven shots.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
He went all out Colin in Game three to try
to get them that win and was closed.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
They lost down the stretch he did.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
I think he had like thirty steps, so he had
a lot of points, did everything.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
They just came up short.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
At that point, you kind of knew that the rep
was it great in the final two games, but like,
what are we expecting? They weren't winning that series. If
you went for forty an each.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Game, Well, I mean ask yourself this, if I said,
I mean, how good of a player is he? So
let's just just just right now, you and me, off
the top of our head, name the top ten players
in the league. So let's just say, yo, kitsch SGA,
it's Jannie Luca. Yeah, Luca, let's do and let's do
(18:08):
Jason Tatum, Lebron, Let's let's do the Steph Lebron eight.
I think Jalen Brunson's got to be somewhere else there
Jalen Brunson, okay, so Arnold Vernon, Okay, Halliburton, we'll put
it ten. We could Okay, let me think this. Let
me look over this real quick, yo, Kitch Sga, Jannis,
Luca and Tatum, Steph Lebron, Brunton, Haliburton. I would say eleven, Anthony.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Davis, Anthony Davis certainly in there.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Okay, hold on, let's did you say Katie? I would
I was just gonna say a d at eleven, kad
at twelve, thirteen, I would put Booker, Ooker okay, Kate
Cunningham or too early, No, I'll do Kate Cunningham at fourteen, Mitchel,
Uh Donovan Mitchell at fifteen again, I'd probably I may
(18:56):
put him by Okay, So okay, so there I order
you can argue over. Yeah, So for our audience, Jokic Sga, Jannis, Luca, Aunt, Tatum,
Steph Lebron, Brunson, Halliburton, eighty, Kdie, Booker, Cade Mitchell Okay,
so he's not a top fifteen NBA player, So when
you're not a top fifteen NBA player, you could have
(19:17):
bad playoff games. And that's my take. And would Jimmy
Butler be sixteenth, seventeenth, eighteenth, He's certainly in that. Jalen
Brown's gotta be somewhere.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Why Leonard, Yeah, there's a guy. But bottom line is, hey,
Anthony Davis.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Without Kyrie could not get Dallas out of the play
in all right. This idea that Jimmy Butler was going
to take down the Timberwolves with with pods and Kuminga
and this poop poop ladder of mediocre players, that's just
not happening.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
I think Wade out of pocket here.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
If you want me to go off, I think Wade
auditioning for his next gig where he's going to be
an analyst on the NBA game Like this, this felt
like almost Judgie and mean because Butler said no, thank
you to the Miami Heat for Dwayne Wade is like
the mayor of the team. I didn't like what I
heard from Waite. Jimmy Butler has never once half passed anything.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
That dude is a warrior.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
He carried the heat to the final twice. I didn't
like what I heard from Wade who I weared Wade
Waighte sneakers when I'm a big fan, I didn't like this.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I have Kowhi because he never plays at sixteen, could
be higher, and Jalen Brown seventeen. I have Jimmy Butler
at eighteen. And by the way, there's an argument John
Morant zion marking and there's a lot of guys in
that space.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Yeah, by the way, I had it. Had Jalen Brown
do in a game? Oh whatever? What it was?
Speaker 7 (20:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Six?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
So again, where was he? When you're not a top
fourteen to fifteen player, you have bad playoff games. So
that's why I take with Butler is no, he took
eleven shots. I mean the bottom line, he was carrying
the offense. When Steph got Heer, I mean it was
he mingo. We're doing all them in pods a little bit.
We're doing all the score.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Well for Buddy Heal. Does it show up soccer? The
Warriors aren't competitive? Final story, Colin.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Let's go to baseball. This is like a spicy one.
Juan Soto, the big money guy for the New York Bets,
he got some hot water last night after hitting what
he thought was a home run over the Great Monster.
But look at him if you're watching it home. He
doesn't hustle out of the box. He's kind of lollygagging
admiring a shot. It ended up being one of the
longest singles maybe I'll say baseball history. But the reason
(21:16):
he was lollygagging was because that's that's kind of his style.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
He's too cool for school guy. Here's what his manager
said after the game.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
He thought he had it, you know, with a win
and all that, and in this ballpark, you know, anyway,
any anywhere, but in particular.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
In this one with the wall right there, you gotta
get out of the box.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
So yeah, well we at least calls that. I hate
it pretty hard, really sure, Green Monster, But I tried
to get the second, but it wasn't enough. Last a
couple of.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Nights, you've had a couple of plays where you were
slow getting out of the box, and that's something you
have to be.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
More aware of.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
No, I think bank hustle only very hard.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
If you see it today, you care te.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, that's kind of Robinson Cano used to have this
rep a little bit. I mean, it's when you pay
a player big money. People want people want to hustle.
That's just, you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
I don't know Cole.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
I mean, listen, he got a seven hundred and sixty
five million dollar deal, so now sports writers are demanding
that he's sprint out of the box on every ball
that he's hit. Like, come on, obviously this isn't a
great look. But it's one hundred and sixty two game season.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Well, you only get four at bats. It's not asking
a ton to hustle.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Yeah, no, that's fair.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
I don't even again, I don't like the metso and
that's why I kind of relish this whole seven hundred
and sixty five dollars a guy can get, can't sprint
out of the box.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
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Speaker 1 (24:09):
Media that's Cavino and Rich welcome back. You know, we
were talking earlier today about like the parody in the NBA,
and it just it just doesn't exist my entire life.
Governments are trying to create, even sports leagues are trying
(24:30):
to create even and it doesn't exist in Europe. It
doesn't exist on the PGA Tour, the Tennis Tour, it
doesn't appear. It doesn't work anywhere. I mean, look, I
as a kid growing up, you used to get one
hundred and twenty five scholarships. Then they cut it to
eighty five. They didn't want you to hog all the scholarships.
And now oh remember nil came out and everybody said, oh,
(24:51):
everybody can compete. Now it's the same teams. Ohio State
just want to NATI. The year before was Michigan. Georgia
is still good. So's Texas. You know, Notre Dame. It's
the same brands over and O, and it will. The
NBA says it wants more parody and it'll be interesting
because it does look like going forward roster construction and
point guard play. Elevating B and C guys is the
(25:13):
way to do it. I mean since twenty nineteen, Raptors, Lakers, Bucks, Warriors, Nuggets, Celtics,
you've usually had one great player, you know. Raptors had Kawhi,
Lakers had Lebron Jannis, Steph Jokic, kind of collaborative with
the Celtics, you know, Okac's favored. They have like the
(25:36):
league's leading score in SGA. Rick Buker, though, talked about
like the parent the parody going forward.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
We've gotten the most we can out of out of
the American audience. Where and we're never going to beat
the NFL. Where can we expand in a way, Where's
where is our sweet spot? And it really is globally
and so parody on that. We got to build target,
We got to build our big box building and drawing
(26:06):
an audience that way, because that's our advantage over the
other professional leagues in the United States.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
That's what Adam Silver is doing.
Speaker 7 (26:13):
So if I can sell a million okay See jerseys
this year, and I can sell a million Timberwolves jerseys
next year, and I can get that global audience to
be buying into all the different teams that I have,
I have a better chance of expanding my audience than
simply having everybody wanting to watch Lebron.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
But I was saying, like in the NFL, there's at
least four new playoff teams every year, and to me,
it's getting harder and harder to find the new teams
because it's really become an offensive head coach quarterback league.
And so like this year in the AFC and last year,
I just wanted the best quarterbacks and my playoff teams.
(26:56):
This year in the AFC, I struggled to find two
new playoff teams. One of them had Burrow, and I figured, Okay,
Burroll will make it. And then I think Drake May
is Justin Herbert on the East Coast, and I think
Vrabel's a really good coach. But by and large, if
you go look at my picks, it's Mahomes, Josh Allen, You, Burrow,
(27:18):
Lamar Jackson, C. J. Stroud, and Harball with Justin Herbert,
I'm stretching to find new teams. If you go to
the NFC, setting out NFC is not as good as
a quarterback conference, but I'm immediately going Jalen Hurts and
the Eagles stack roster Jared Goff. I think Baker's the
best quarterback in his division. Matt Stafford is the best
(27:38):
quarterback in his division. And I think now Wild Cards
Jaden Daniels the best quarterback in his division. I'm struggling
to find two new teams. I do the Seahawks because
they actually have an advantage in the playoffs. They have
more prep time than any NFL team on their schedule.
They only one game all year, have less prep time
for a game. And I also think they're coach and
(27:59):
the roster is really good. But I'm stretching to put
the Bears in over the Packers. I could flip it
based on you know what we hear or injuries, but
as parody's gone, the NBA is now going to own it.
I struggled this year knowing I got to come up
with four new playoff teams. That's the minimum over the
last thirty years. And I wonder if we're going into
(28:20):
a space as the NFL has become much more quarterback, offensive,
head coach centric, if we're going to see less change
in the NFL. And also, there are more games now,
we have seventeen games, not sixteen, and we're moving to
eighteen games. Well, the longer a schedule is, it would
benefit the best quarterbacks and the best GMS and rosters
(28:42):
and coaches. You know, I've always said I could run
Microsoft for two weeks, I couldn't run it for two
months or two years. The longer I was there, the
worst the company would be. You know, the shorter your schedule,
the easier it is for upsets and dark horses. But
as the NFL expands its schedule to eventually eighteen games,
that's only going to benefit better corequarterbacks and better coaches.
So I think you'll have even fewer surprises. So I
(29:05):
just I just think it's harder now. Again, I like
Seattle over San Francisco. But if San Francisco, because their
schedule is the easiest in a decade in the NFL,
if San Francisco made the playoffs, wouldn't that be a
team that largely we predict as a playoff team. I mean,
Seattle's kind of random, right like Washington. I'm going just
(29:25):
with quarterback. So I guess my point is this fight
for parody, the NBA finally has it. I don't know
if it works. We'll see it didn't work. In the
seventies and everybody was winning a different year. The audience.
The audience says they want it. People say they want
a lot of things. I don't think OKAC in Minnesota
will rate, That's my take. It won't rate. I think
(29:47):
the Knicks and the Pacers will rate. What say you, so, Colin?
Speaker 5 (29:51):
I seem to recall in the whole idea of being
in the media or sports.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
You want tea.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
You want people to love you or hate you. You
don't want to be in the middle, which is kind
of like indifferent. Hey man, that guy has to take.
But I don't really care. People loved or hated super teams,
Lebron super teams, the Heatles.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Not one, not two.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
People hated that, Colin. People hated the Super Team Warriors.
They were polarizing, they generated massive numbers.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
I just don't know.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
If you go and pull people on the streets of Chicago,
hey man, how do you feel about the conference finals?
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Okay? Sure, okay? See aunt Edward's like.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Nobody really loves or hates even the Knicks. Usually people
dislike New York teams.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Jalen Brunson's lovable. He's like Steph Curry, the King of
the mid range.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
So I just don't know that there's a polarizing team
or player in the conference finals, and I think that
hurts casuals from tuning in versus checking out the latest
season of and or on streaming.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
So again, I don't know if you disagree or not, but.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
David Stern inherited a league where you had parody. He
was very comfortable with New York with you Ing, Chicago
with Jordan, the Lakers with Magic, Boston with Bird. He
was very comfortable. Big markets dominating the league. He was
comfortable with it. Nike was comfortable with it. David Falk
was the top agent. He had the biggest stars in
(31:12):
the biggest markets, so that's the world he was comfortable with.
David Stern did not deal with a lot of international stars.
A little bit more as he got older. I think
Adam Silver's heart's in the right place. I think he
is a bit It's not naive, He's not naive. He's
more of an idealist. Let's share, let's share the wealth.
(31:38):
I think it sounds good, but if you look at
what Hollywood is trying to do, what is I just
watched the Netflix series last night was great and with
my wife six episodes, and there's definitely a dark side
to it and a villain. In fact, there's a couple
of different villains, and they switched throughout everybody that's writing movies.
(31:59):
There's a good guy in bad guy for every mission impossible,
and there's like no bad guy. I mean, that's what
I said about Jason Tatum, face of the league. He's
too likable. Nobody hates Jason Tatum. So it's it's it's
an idealistic way to do operate a business. We'll see
if it works. I'll watch. I'm not sure if casuals will.
(32:21):
And with that we are gone for today. First things
first is around the corner.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
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