October 23, 2025 • 57 mins
Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by their close friend and former NBA MVP Allen Iverson. A.I. tells them about his new documentary series ‘Allen Iv3rson’ produced by Steph Curry and Shaquille O’Neal that premieres TODAY on Prime Video. Joe and Jada chop it up with The Answer about some legendary stories involving all three of them, including A.I.’s wild nights out with Joe before New York Knicks games in his Philadelphia 76ers days, his iconic Reebok commercial with Jadakiss, going toe-to-toe with Los Angeles Lakers legend Kobe Bryant, and when former NBA commissioner David Stern read lyrics from Iverson’s rap album out loud to him. Stay till the end for an appearance from Allen’s mother, Ann Iverson, who tells some secrets from A.I.’s childhood.
4:00 - Joe & Jada's long-time friendships with A.I.
9:30 - Joe FINALLY gives A.I. his Terror Squad chain
11:15 - New doc series on Prime Video produced by Steph Curry & Shaq
20:00 - When your entourage gets too disrespectful
25:15 - R.I.P. John Thompson
27:15 - Michael Vick coming up in his hometown after him
34:30 - A.I. fact checks some of Joe's stories about him
42:30 - Jada & A.I.'s iconic Reebok commercial
45:30 - Going to war with Kobe Bryant
47:00 - David Stern & Adam Silver
51:30 - Joe still wants A.I. to get reparations for outfit fines
54:00 - Iverson's book
57:30 - A.I.'s mother joins & tells childhood stories
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Man, just to be able to tell your story regardless
of how they accept it. Everybody always talking about man,
if I was AI, I would do this bro?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
You not? Yeah? Yeah, what up? Y'allist is Joe crack
the dawn?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
It's your boy, Jada, you know what it is? Did
Joe and Jada show? You already know every show legendary,
every show iconic, And today we remain to keep our word.
You know what I mean, Today's guests. When you just
think of the word real, when you think of football,
(00:48):
basketball talk that shit, Jada, you know what I mean,
when you just think of a different cloth, when you
think of not just changing their greatest of all to
the way they look at NBA players come out of
the tunnel. He used to get fined every day. Now
they now they want to see what the players is
(01:10):
coming out with, what they gear they got on. He
still don't get He's still parades, still hasn't got his
proper just due for being for starting the tunnel.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Can the crossover? Oh uh woo?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Heart as big as a giant. I could go on
for years and years and years. Ladies, General makes some
noise for our brother.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Alison and Allen Iverson Bubba Chuck, my brother.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
My brother of all brothers, Alan Buba Chuck iverson Blueboard
News's Finest.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Welcome to the Show, Craig.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
It almost I almost fucked up myself. It was it
was my phone. I forgot to call him about to do.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Your phone ring e almost he almost run off for
the show.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I almost blood Bubba, my gosh, Bubba Turk. You know
what I realized.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
I never knew that before, because I feel like I
have a special relationship with you.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Absolutely, I feel like.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
I'm your brother. I've been to your wedding. I've been
there throughout your whole career. Mom's nose up. I used
to drive down the Philly, but I realized you got
a special quality. You make everybody think they're your brother.
This guy thinks he's your brother too.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
You listen, let me explain something to you. I thought
me and you, but he talked to you the same way.
Do you got a bunch of friends that think they're
your best friend? Because I think I'm out of Office's
best friend. He thinks it, for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I just know I hold a special place in his heart.
For sure.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
It's just who I am. It's a tribute to who
I am, what type of dude I am? Always for
some reason, you know, I track the worst motherfuckers in
the world and the best, you know what I mean.
And that's the hardest part about navigating through life is
you got to depict which ones is which, you know
(03:19):
what I mean. And you guys been around with me
for decades, you know what I mean. We've had this relationship. Dog,
we was twenty years old, you know what I mean,
and we're still here, still standing. The relationship is nothing,
but didn't do anything but flourish, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Got closer and closer over the years, and you know,
look at him, watch I need the love Like, yeah,
I mean, come on, man, start hating towards the end
of the show. Little you know, but you.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Know it's you know, it's you know, it's dope though,
like when we see each other and passing. Yeah, we
talked to each other on the phone, whether and we
bump into each other a lot, you know what I mean,
just being in the same places.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
But it's it's it's real ship.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
When you know the person's crew, they're everyday guys, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
That's when you know it's authentic.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
You know what I mean when you know the homeboys,
you ain't just walking up to him and you know
you're just happy to see your man, you know what
I mean? Them your dogs too, you know what I mean.
That's and that's legendary. No, you know he came to
our funeral for sure down in Miami. My dog, right, dog, bro,
We appreciate you for that. He just you know, that
(04:30):
was a huge look for him. You know what I'm saying.
When you're going out and the real ones come down
and we did mal at Philly for sure. It was
a bunch of Muslim guy that's the first ever been
to a Muslim funeral. Me too, you too, shit different, Yeah, yeah,
(04:51):
Like I want the box.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Like, let me tell you something. A lot of my
friends are muslm best guys in the world.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I want to box. Some want people to cry.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I want people to come in funeral like this was
like real militant, right.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
We went out your body in twenty four be your body.
But then the ladies over here and then you can't talk.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
He's with DoD He's talking to our live right now.
I'm like, yo, I'm trying to cry. I'm trying to like, Yo,
it's a funeral, you know what I'm saying. But it was,
it was, it was, It was different right then we
tow the we throw the third on the music. Yeah,
before that was Robert. I don't want to bring bash ship,
but rob Boogie. Rob Boogie was our guy. I think
(05:31):
I think rob Boogie made us even tight up for
sure because he's originally from the Bronx and he used
to talk mega shit about Fat Joe and Terror Squad
and being, hey, I you don't I want to get
the moms right. Do you remember the first place I
ever met you? I'll tell you well, it wasn't no.
You took me to jammies no way before that. Let
(05:53):
me tell you, so, you was a kid. We both
was kids. Flow Joe was out. I'm telling you we
was kids. What you trying to say, I'm while older
than Get the fuck out of here. The point is,
I got a show in Virginia. I ain't got two
dollars to rub together. You was just going to college
(06:14):
and all that. But you came up to me and
you had a bunch of dudes with you, and y'all
always in army fatigue. It was like a fucking movie.
I gotta put that in my series, right. And it's
a dark parking lot after the show, and you just
walking up with all these I don't know who the
fuck you is?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
You walking up with all these dudes, like, yo, crack
a fuck with you know where I am.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
I was like, nah, Y'all'm bubb Chuck number one, Nigga,
Damn'm gonna lead this this that that's.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
How I met you.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
And you walked off, and I was like, who is
that guy? Like I knew it was something special about
you when I met you there.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
That's the first time I ever met.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
You in the parking lot after that show, and you
just came up and the whole crew had army fatigue
jackets on and y'all walked up. This is before the
bread and all that. But you, y'all walked up and
you was like, Yo, I'm I'm not I'm that dude.
You gonna see me? I was like my brother from there.
You know, we always saw each other.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
I like to say it, no matter how much money
you got or how much you're worth, you as power
for as or you can get on the phone for sure.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
And I always been able to get them on the
phone no matter when.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I used to get you on the phone. What's going on?
You active funny with me? Bro? And Moms just said, Moms,
don't you know we're not playing that? You know, Moms? Yo?
Why you playing with me? I did son to you? Man?
Don't do that so he can't get me on the
phone either. No, he could get you on the phone, y'all.
Bring that over here.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
I got something for you that you deserved a long
time ago, my brother.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
That's why I'm a little late. You're gonna do that? No?
Speaker 4 (07:45):
No, nah, brother, Christine, you curse me out.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
One day because you ain't have one. Should have you
should have been, brother, because it's my business partner. He's
in on that. But that ship, you know you deserve
that long time ago. Man. Yo. Yo, Yeah, let's crazy, Yo.
I hardly got my ts ship big ts Man fire
(08:18):
you see it? Roll got my journey?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Yeah, this man don cursed me out. Fire Man un
cursed me out ten thousand times, like yo, Man, where
my joint at?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
He don't play that ship? Yes, sir, only on Joe
and Jada. Man.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Oh no, the man that's my family. Yeah, we love
this guy. It's a different type of love. Love that's
lorble chuck wover norumble chuck. Oh you other guys come
on the show.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Thanks for coming, but don't don't sup. He ain't get
the cheap ts chain. He got that ship.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Ship Like, don't come up here with that ship. We'll
give you a bubble gumbar, the twenty five.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Cent shock of Jack Joy crack of Jack. What's up, Jada?
Speaker 5 (09:12):
You you know we here, man, we're here to talk
about the new docu series. We'll tell us about it.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Man.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Look, I said it last night at the at the premiere.
The way I describe it, it's a confirmation to the world,
h that the devil is a sucker, you know what
I mean? And he can't fuck with me. Fucking right, bro,
(09:40):
that ship. He's a liar, he's a he's a whimp.
He's a shrimp, that's right. He's a peon, you know
what I mean. He's a he's a manipulator. He prayed
on the week, he prayed on the people that don't
believe in God.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
You know what I mean. He's just he's just a sucker.
And my journey proves that.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
The ups and downs in my life, the turbulent times,
the times where you know, you fall down and then
you believe in him so much he enables you to
get back up, brush yourself off, keep on going. My
mom told me at eight years old, I could be
whatever I wanted to be in life, and I actually
(10:25):
believed her, you know what I mean. All those times
my friends Instilled Garden, you know, used to tease me, Chuck,
you know, saying you're going to the NBA.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
No, nigga, don't nobody make it in the NBA from here.
You know what I mean? You can hit this nigga
took this line, you know what I mean. Come on, Chuck,
you know what I mean. He ain't making it.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Come back in the crib and crying and all that, Mam,
they said, I can't do it. Whatever say, you can
do whatever you want to do. From that moment at
eight years old, I knew that I would be here
right now today because of those words that came from her,
you know what I mean. And then navigating through this life,
all the things I've been through, all the turbulent shit,
the ups and downs, you know what I mean. My
(11:05):
grandma told me before I got sentenced. The day they
sent me to jail, I was seventeen when I was
eight years old. They waited yall turned eighteen to try
me as an adult eighteen years old. And that morning
I said, no, why are they doing this to me?
If they know that I didn't do what they accused
me of doing. Why is this happening to me?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
You know? Why is God letting this happen? And she said, son,
don't you ever question God?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
And I never have, you know, I mean, from that
point on, I never questioned God anything that happens going
in my life.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
You know what I mean. I've been through a lot
in my life. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I've been through you know, like you talked about Rob Bugie,
you know, different friends of mine, true, you know what
I mean, a lot of guys that I love. You
know what I mean a lot of people in my
life and my family that passed away. You know, different
things happening in my career. You know, even getting to
a point where my money was funny know, the lowest
part of my life with getting divorced, you know what
(12:03):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
From a girl out.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
There with my old life that man, bless you at
your lowis you know what I mean, everything and it's
like think it's over you get a miracle check.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
But yo, never questioning them though, you know what I mean.
And it's a gift. It's a gift, crack, you know
what I mean. This documentary is a gift to that
and and everybody like you know, they do it. It's
so cliche when we always talk about, you know, us
as entertainers, athletes or whatever that were only supposed to
(12:35):
be role models to kids.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
We inspire everybody, all ages, you know what I mean.
We inspire them, you know what I mean. We help
them believe, you know what I mean. They live, you know,
through us and believe through us.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
You know what I mean. People look at it if
chuck and make it, I know I can. And that's
the message.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
That's the gift to show you everything that I went through,
you know, throughout my life and and and being an
open book, you know what I mean, a lot of
motherfuckers just be so embarrassed about things that they went
through in their life, the ups and downs and the
mistakes that they made.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I ain't that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
My girl tell me all the time, you always let
motherfuckers stress you out, and you know you care so
much about people why do you do that?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
And that's not a gift that I have. I don't
know how. I try my hardest to not let it
stress me out. Whatever.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
I'm just like that on a big hearted people at
person and I love who I love, you know what
I mean. But my gift, a gift that I do have,
is that I am an open book. I don't mind,
you know, telling you the mistakes that I make. I
tell my kids all the time. You know, why do
you have to learn the hallway?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
And I already did you know what I mean? Why
can't you listen to what I'm telling you? I love you,
I want you to do what's right. I don't want
you to go through the shit that I went through.
And I made this big ass uproar like last night
before last? One was it to night before last? We
did Atlanta the book tour, and Tip told me he
said he moderated my joint and he was like, yo, man,
(14:03):
your homeboys did a number on you. You know, but
he was saying it, you know, he was saying it
like all you talk about is the pain and the
hurt that you have from the dudes that you grew
up with. Like these motherfuckers, like I was the one
that took that ass whipping, would bringing your aunt's rads.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
And you remember, I was the first one that took
everybody from my hood with me. You know what I
mean to show them the world, and it ain't none of.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Something controversial all the time, Ain't ain't none of me.
I say, you're the closest thing to Tupac because you're
the only person I ever seen play basketball and have
a fucking after party in every city.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
We're the realest guys. These guys, ain't no fucking chumps.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Got the AI, the Alan Olson jerseys on the whole
fucking party every night. Guys that won't give it up
to somebody, Guys that ain't in the business of being suckers.
They was wearing the AI jersey and I was like, yo,
I always tell everybody, I say, Yo, that was the
closest thing I've seen, the tuthpox you call the love
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and the pure respect from every gangster in every hood
that you.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Have always had.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
You know, I want to go back to the devil
right because I want people out there to know if
you righteous and you God's child, and you know that
all you want to do is help people get back
to your community, help your friends, be a good role model,
even though you know.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
We flawed and somebody attack you.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Direct. I don't think they're just bad people. I don't
think they semi evil. I think they doing the Devil's
work if they know you with God right, because it's
been sometimes in my life, I say, Yo, God, you
know I'm Gosh, I'm god'shshu.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
And they coming at me like this. I already know.
I said, Yo, this guy's down with the devil.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
He send the motherfuckers and sheep clothing like he sent them.
You know what I mean, You gotta you gotta.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Mean it disguise as ever. Yeah, you know what I mean.
I've seen it. He's a sucker. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Why why you think he the motherfucker never win? He
always in second place. He's powerful, but he always in
second place.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
He never win. He on God's hell, but he don't
never win. You'll, sucker, you're a loser. Mind me and
that old school movie where Nigga the whole stylish chump.
Your whole style is old stylish chump. He suck his
old stylish The.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Only people want to be like him. Or look up
to him or rock with him. It's weak people, you
know what I mean. Weak people easy to influence people,
people to that's easy to manipulate, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
What I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
That's why I love like I talk all that shit
about the injustice is that niggas did to me in
my life.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
But it's like a gift back to God.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
It's like, here you go, chuck, hell of the motherfuckers
you need, you know what I mean, Look at the
people you got with you now. Yeah it's still hurt
because you the motherfuckers, but hig the people that you
have now, you're still the new support system that still.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
People were gonna figure out. Ain't the ones for sure?
You know what I mean? I ain't. I ain't in
it like one thing I want like me all the time,
my old friends.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I ain't putting no article in the daily press talking
about I need new Look what I got, man, Look
what I have in my life.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
You know what I'm saying. I don't need. I don't
need to make no new friends. I got a lot of.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Beautiful people around me, A great support system around me. Man,
I got motherfuckerss around me. Don't tell me what I
need to hear or I mean what I want to hear.
They tell me what I need to hear.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
You know what I mean. The hardest thing for me.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
To have this heart that I have. Everybody thinks like
that on the court. Off the court is even bigger
and the hardest thing for me that I had to learn.
This is a message to everybody. And it ain't just kids,
you know what I mean. You got to implement that
word no in your vocabulary. Man got to be able
to say no. I thought that I could take care
of the world.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Bro, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
And I thought, you know, people tell me all the time,
you you can't do it. And I used to think
I was the exception to the rule. But you cannot
do it, Bro, you know what I mean. And now
dependent onum swinging the way it is, trust me, this
go around is gonna be totally different.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Not only that, let me tell you something, chuck, not
only that. You know a lot of things they say
it's cliche, but it's for a reason. It's like everybody
can't go you know me, same thing the entourage. I
walk in the Royal Palace in Dubai and put your
name over there. My name is Ali kashanikam ms Mal
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and so I walk into Royal Palace and for me,
I tell them all the time, I'm not afraid to
say I came from shit right the projects Welfared.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
You know.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
See my mom's begging the man behind the window to
please give us some food stamps for fucking Thanksgiving. I've
seen a borrow. The reason why I feed so many
thousands of families and Thanksgiving this because I used to
see my mother have to borrow from my uncle and
you know they would act funny. You know, yo, I
need some turkey for my kids, so I give back.
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But you know the crazy part about it, Damn, I forgot.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
What the fuck? Why was that? What did I start
that shit? I'm getting the olds hamas man, you know.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
But what I'm saying is, huh, it's a flag on that.
But listen, what was I to You should know what
I'm talking about. You guys are here to know what
he's talking about. Oh, shade heavy one was the thing
I try to say. Yeah, walk in the palace and
I look to the right. I can't believe I'm here.
Me Fat Joe cannot believe I'm in the Royal Palace.
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They wash your hands. When you walk in, you take
another step. They give you tea, you take another one.
A fig gets out of control. The guys I bring
with me, one of them, in particular, from the Bronx
with me. We all the way in the Middle East
through by his pants down to his ass down here
walking in the Royal Palace.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I looked at him.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
I said, man, I punch you in your face so
fucking hard if you don't pick them fucking pants up.
Speaker 7 (20:03):
Where my man at my man? No he ain't No,
my dog, my dog. We in the Royal show some
fucking I ain't gonna say your name. No, I'm just
saying I'm walking in the Royal Palace. I look his
pants under his ass and say, Yo, my man, you
want to get punched in your fucking face. You show
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some fucking respect.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Guy like you never be in the you know how
motherfucker still order ordering chicken, tenderloins and ship.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Now I wander some loss and some ship. I didn't
even get it.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Know what I'm trying to say is everybody can't go.
You want to show the world. I gotta want to
help everybody, but he everybody can go, can't go with you?
Speaker 2 (20:50):
To where you go. Everybody ain't. The truth is everybody
ain't for the promised Lamb. My man can go. He
just can't go like that, no more he can go.
He just he know he can't go like that, no
more going wherever I'm going. Listen, That's not my point.
My point is shown some respect. You know, you and
some ship. I don't. I can't believe I'm in the
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ship and I look at you. You embarrassing me.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
You know, you don't know what This meeting can lead to,
a lead to money, It could lead to businesses, can
lead definitely relationships. They looking like yo, look at Joe
with this dusty dude, Like, Yo, we can't play that game.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Man has some fucking respect. But that's my point.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
It's like they definitely a reflection to you. They definitely
got to represent your brand. They got to care about
your brand. Man, You know what I mean, It's just
it's being selfish, you know what I mean. You're just
thinking about yourself. You know, it's a bigger picture, you
know what I mean. Like I said, my man, you know,
he got together, but he was he was, he was
like that. But wherever I go, he going. The series
(21:51):
executive produced by Shock and Steph. Yeah, I mean, I
know Shock as your man. I got a lot of
rebox money over there. Yeah, what's so Steph? Him and
Steph doing some production shit or you know, I mean,
you know, they just let me go for mine, you know,
just like the vice president role, you know what I mean. Shock,
Ultimately he he make the final decision, but damn if
(22:14):
he ain't gonna holler that little bro like what you're thinking.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I give him my ideas and he let me rock,
you know what I mean, and then we collectively make
all decisions. Steph just to me, it's just an honor
man like, I just admire the dude, you know what
I mean, squeaky clean, but you know, behind the scenes,
he just like.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Us, you know what I mean, no doubt. And then
he that man just kill things that he can do. Man,
he a straight serial killer. You know what I mean.
He must see TV I don't never make. I got
direct TV. Well what is it? The league? Past league?
Speaker 1 (22:52):
I got that league just for him, you know what
I mean. I don't miss no go to state game,
you know what I mean. I got to see that
goddamn life skinned killer every night.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Man, that dude right there is different, you know what
I mean. He's like when you talk about the dude
like motherfuckers, be like yo, he him like he him
for real?
Speaker 5 (23:13):
What's so tell us about rest in peace? Coach John Thompson,
Big John? How what did he mean? What does he mean?
Speaker 2 (23:20):
What did he do for you?
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I was looking at Instagram yesterday. I seen you know,
they put a quote in there, you know, but they
put it in there like I said it, you know
what I mean, But it's some shit they come from him,
you know what I mean? And he said, you always
listening to guys and your homegirls from in your family,
everybody from your neighborhood when you you know, getting advice,
(23:45):
you know what I mean, because that's where you're at.
That's where you know. The older the older heads they
give it to you. You know what, they know, what
they've been through in life. But Coach always used to
tell me, you always listening to somebody that's trying to
tell you how to get from A to Z and
it ain't never been there, you know what I mean.
And he was giving me that message and it resonated
(24:08):
with me so much. You know when I did this
documentary and when I did the book, you know of
how I'm trying to help save lives by my experience,
you know what I mean. And that's what I that's
what I'm able to give to the youth and to
my peers and people that you know that relate to me.
I made it from A to Z, you know what
(24:29):
I mean. Obviously I didn't. I came out and you know,
I came out unscathed. I've been through a lot, but
I made it from A to Z. When I go
to my neighborhoods and I go to the Boys and
Girls Club and I do stuff for Thanksgiving and Christmas
and stuff like that, when they looking at me, they
looking at somebody that grew up where they from.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Like you can't sit, you don't have no excuses. You
looking right at the dude. You can go over there
and touch them. You can dap him up. That's the
dude right there. He come from where you know, the
parents telling him he come from where you come from.
You can't tell me you came make it out of
here because he did it, you know what I mean.
And for me to be able to go from A
to Z and to have an impact far as my voice,
(25:08):
to help somebody, you know what I mean, fulfill their dreams. Man,
to me, that's that's that's God. It's God, It's God.
Get we know you bad news. They had another star
in bad News, Mike Vick for sure. Did you see
the birth of Mike Vic that you know what was
going on with Mike Vic? That you being from the
same neighborhood, did you know he was gonna be great?
(25:30):
He at the time, Mike, Mike was younger than me,
you know what I mean. He came up af came
up after me. You know what I mean, Like he
came up on me basically, you know what I mean.
So he watched everything that I went you did, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (25:45):
And then I've seen him Scott Blue drop Top that
least coming through that bad movie. Ain't nobody y'ah, nobody
was he from AI? You had a lot of fucking calls. Man,
Sis was coming Like I thought this ship was free.
I remember, I didn't tell you I'm riding with you. No,
I'm telling you the truth. I thought this ship was free.
(26:07):
The man coming with three back to back drop to ship.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
This he coming up free. Yo, it's discussed. I remember
Steph told me, Steph Marlbury, that's what I love.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I love stuff. That's my dog. I love stuph to death.
Steph told me one time we were just talking, just
me and him, was in the back of the bus.
He was like, Chuck, man, why do you have two
fantoms and the same fantom just different colors?
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Like for what you know what I mean? I swear
back then, I thought it was like looking at.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
That legs was shopping to sit to New York from Philly.
We don't know nothing about the knowledge nothing.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
He pulled up.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I used to run out of gas and the motherfucker
just man.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Just wow man. But when I came in, I ad
when he won one of the joints ran out of gas. Yeah,
I was twenty one.
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Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, you remember, I got too many stories with you
that will chill on. Yeah, I know. I listen to
the stories. You listen to my story.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
They don't even That's why one you want it. That's
why I say. That's why I tell you know we
got beat up in bad news.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Man don't do that.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
And you know Ross started those ship so he starts
something happened. You remember you admitting this something happened. Yeah,
you say, I got you beat up. He got hit
by in the chest with a Heineken bob.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
What they threw about it? He said, I got him
beat up.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
He got hit.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Somebody threw at bottom and hit him in the.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Chest, in the chest. Yeah, I never said I never
said that.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Didn't that, But he said, he said I got him
beat up the chest did nothing.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
He said, I got him beat up, beat up. Well,
first of all, Rock snuffed to do Rod jumped in
the crowd after the dude. Right, we are his birthday party.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
The hottest ship going on out there, right, I don't
understand the ship.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
One man, we over there, We're like, yo, we were
AI bad news.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
The next thing they throwing with so many No, man,
you was wrapped, you was you was performing, You was performing,
And it was a It was a motherfucker in the
stands that wanted to he wanted the mic, and Rob
was telling the dude chill.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
And then after he started telling him chill, then the
dude was fuck y'all. And then Rogers. What I do
know is we have just got They threw. They threw
so many glasses of Jack Daniel.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Got hit by steal, got hit by behind Agim bottle.
See it whenever whenever people talk about him, Cappin on
the joint. See I know him personally, so I know
I've never known him as a liar, you know what
I mean? And he and and what people got to
understand back listen, Yeah yeah, listen, but but listen, I'm
(30:42):
listening only only thing like the stories that you know
where I wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
You know what I mean, I can't confirm him, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
All I can I can speak on the person that's
telling the story, so I know he don't he don't lie.
He ain't never lied to me. So when he's telling
my stories, that's what I go off. So he hit
him ninety nine point nine percent.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Right, yeah, here, you know what I mean? We got
our ass beat man.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
That didn't happen. Everything everything, And so if you if
if he can hit by a bottle, I asked, what
got his ass?
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Well, we played seventy games of Spade, for sure, and
we was in there for hours, and we were so
hyped to go to this point.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I don't know what the fuck happened. I just showed
you what happened.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Come when we pull up, everybody chasing us. Now he
got the drop tops out there. So it's like Ali
boom bay yank everybody yo yo that yeah, you know,
because you remember.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
What you told me in front of my uncle Stevie
house that day we was it. Yeah, I'm gonna throw
no crag on him. Look, I'm telling you what. Look,
if you think about all the ship that he's done
in his life and the place he's been in the
events he's been to, like and all the shit that
go on in a motherfucker like his life.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Man, you cannot be totally accurate on everything.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
It shit get blurry. And then we well, I know,
I drunk a lot, you know what I mean. But
I remember that in front of my house, in front
of Uncle Stevie house, I had the blue bent lez
Or drop top joint and we were sitting down in
front of the joint and he was like, yo, Chuck,
I'm gonna have one of these one day, you know
(32:21):
what I mean. And the first I don't know what
was your first color was at the silverling sky blue,
sky blue, sky blue joint. And I remember, I don't know,
I don't know. I know it wasn't the video because
you know, usually in the videos, you know, because I
had when I was in Atlanta, I had everybody using
my cars videos.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
But I remember seeing you in it.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
It was it was something they was doing and you
was driving the joint, and man, I was watching it
on TV and it fucked me up, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
It felt so damn good because I was like, yo,
like I was a part of that.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Like he told me that he was gonna get in
one of them joints and you had the joint, Man,
you got the joint, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I got the picture with him. He was like fat
Shoe this guy, you remember, he was big. Jada kiss.
He was a little like fat. She was a little plumpy.
I got the fucking picture, Jake, I got the fucking pitch.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
You could do pull ups now with one finger and
all that ship, But back then you was eating that
fried chicken.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Boy. That boy boy fucking some sit up. I got
that picture. He get mad. I post that ship like
every three months for no reason. Be like me and Jada.
Why are you posting that ship? Joe? I love when
you post man.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Let me, do you remember that night? Though you took
a long time when you took me, we couldn't find
a hotel, you know when you told that story, let
me yo told it the right way, Yes you did,
But let me tell you know him about I don't
think I had the game the next day.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Though, yes you did. We will sit listen.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
First of all, the owner hate me. What's his name,
bomb Pat Croche. He thought I'm smoking and drinking with you,
and this and this and that.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
He told me.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
One day we went to some Adams Samuler window and
he said, fat Joe man, I'm so proud of you, man,
how you he said.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
I used to tell him all the time, I didn't
want you with Chuck. I though you was a bad guy, CEO,
I was.
Speaker 8 (34:12):
The nicest guy.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yere, What the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (34:16):
So he comes up, he got a game like Saturday,
and he come to Jimmy's cafe with us. He got
the drop top. We said, I was not jocked, all right,
you wasn't driving.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
So I never drove drunk. I never did. Okay, he
never drove. I used to be drunk as a motherfucker.
Let me say something like. We was tore down Bubba
Chuck at the game the next day. But I mean
like not regular, like smad, like walking sideways. And you said,
my man, that I threw up, and I ain't never
threw up.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I never threw up. Yeah, I remember you telling the story.
I ain't never threw up drinking.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
We pull up in my man's house in the bummiest
area of the Bronx, the only place to go. You remember,
do you?
Speaker 9 (35:00):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (35:01):
You still slept on Yes, we slept on clothes when
his house is so bummy that they got clothes all
on the fucking You're still cool of course he's family.
When you want me say, I'm talking your true story.
We spend the night. He got a game against the Knicks.
The next day, I wake up, He's gone already. So
I wake up, say ten in the morning, Chuck is
(35:23):
gone already. I don't know how he did it.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
So I go to the Knicks. Man if I'm I'm
keeping it a buck with you. We drank so much.
I had diarrhea in the next day, Like, I was
fucked up. And Jimmy's too. Jimmy, I was too. That
shit was crazy. And I go to the game.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
I'm fucked up. So I go to the game and
purposely I'm not courts outed. I'm like tenth row, like hiding,
and I'm looking at yallars. He dropped like forty one
and the Joe Buden s stopped. You gotta stop.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
You think about it, though, think about it. How old
was I that recovery time with you?
Speaker 4 (36:00):
I think, Man, remember the game me and you went
to when Larry Johnson hit the three point shot?
Speaker 2 (36:08):
You remember that ship? Me and a I was in there.
We was just chilling and y'all had just got out
the playoff. Me and you we went to the game.
He was like, yo, Joe, you got tickets to the game.
I said, let's go. He said, let's go.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
And they had just got eliminated the round before, and
that's when your man Larry Johnson hit the shot with
niggas went crazy.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I'm sitting next day.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
I've been looking to see if anybody got a picture
that day. You know how legendary that day is when
Larry Johnson hit the three point shot.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
It was the crowd, it was the way the crowd was. Ship.
I'm looking for me in.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Ai and all the pictures, all the videos all I
can't see it, you know, because now they try to
say him cap.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
You know now I got to bring the.
Speaker 8 (36:52):
Receipts out and you got all your legendary movement.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
We got the best.
Speaker 10 (36:58):
Hell you're talking about that and the history and the
history in the history. Bring the flags back, crazy and
keep wanting that mobile. I think it should just be
original and do something else.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
You gotta figure something that alone, you gotta you gotta
figure something else out, like they try to, like when
I do commercials and ship like that, they try to
get me to do the step over over again, and
I try to do it. I don't know how to
do because I didn't know what I was doing in
the moment. It just ship just happened, you know what
I mean. But that that commercial right there, I knew
who I wanted when they when they talked to me
(37:35):
and came to me and was like, Yo, we're gonna
do it like this.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I said, oh, yeah, I know, I'm going to get
that ship. So legend playing it and they was playing
it in the club. It's crazy crazy. That's a historical
moment in hip hop and top five you know alive
that pover, you know, he hates that. I thought I
had beef with the guy who AI hates that. You
don't like that, I just love it. I just love
(37:58):
you don't have like fake beef. I'll tell you. I'll
tell you I scrilled him for the rest of his life. Yeah,
I'll tell you. I'll tell you a story about about dude.
He crazy. Man, I tell you a story about dude.
The next year.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Man, he put me through l though he was he
was a pest, you know what I mean, and shot
and Kobe was they was fucking with him because I
was idol. So they was like before the joint started,
they was like, yo, you're gonna let him go out
there and have his way, you know what I mean?
Because you looked up to him and this, that and
the third, and that's why we were getting at it
the way we were.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
And I hated him, and I remember he had got
after him going to war with me like that.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
He was getting he was a free agent, he was
getting offers crazy, and he went to Washington and they
gave him like five million a year or something like that.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
And you know, like right where we left off, you know,
we was going at it again. In the game, going
at it.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Somebody was shooting a free throw and we was in
the back court and I was talking ship to him,
talking shit to me, ready to fight and all that,
and I was like, look, motherfucker, I say, you got that.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Little ass five million a year, you know what I mean?
Because of me?
Speaker 1 (39:07):
And the motherfuckers did some shit O would did. He
looked at me and said thank you, yeah, and both
of us just started laughing.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
And we've been like this ever since. Man, that's my mother.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
For a lot of times, people you go to war
where you build a certain respect, respect them, but you
go to war with certain chumps that you don't respect
you be like, yo, these guys a sucker. But when
you find a formidable adversary, you turn around, you come
up out of it. You find a way to be
men and squash it. You got a different level with
respect for them, and they got a different level of
(39:40):
respect for you. Sure, that's cool.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Who's the biggest sal You would say him, who's the
biggest wars?
Speaker 9 (39:47):
Like?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
What was it like? Man going to play against Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
You started to ask the question, and that was going
to be my answer. It was gonna be him the
cold biggest war. Yeah, And then you asked me, what
was it like?
Speaker 2 (40:00):
You know what I mean? So you know we can
kill two birds with one stone, I mean, bro wars,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Because I used to feel like with me, Damar Johnson
was the same way, because you know, because how tall
he was, you know what I mean, he was sixteen.
He gave me problems because he could back up off
of me and just contest the jumps. Yeah, you know
what I mean, he could just back up off of me. Yeah,
you know what I mean, and he could get a
hand up, you know what I mean. Anybody else showing
Princess Mother take Yeah, but but but Kobe too, Kobe
(40:31):
six six, and Kobe could move like he could later
he could move. He was a defensive He was a dog,
you know what I mean. So me and him had wars.
But like if you not my size, you know what
I mean, especially like Marcus Banks. You're hoopas so you
know member Marcus Banks Stockey six two, you.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
He used to give me problems because he could move
laterally then if I get bombed, you know, he had to.
He was like, you know, Steph gave me problems, you
know what I mean. You know, Cole had a lot
of that into the strength and then he was like
a defensive minded dude. I mean, he gave me problems.
But nobody really could you know what I'm saying. Nobody
(41:14):
really could could You know? If I had a bad night,
you know, nine times out of ten it was it
was me, you know what I mean. But I used
to go through some wars with Kobe and it was
so different to me.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
It won't fail. And to show you what type of
dog he was because he would guard me, but I
ain't have to guard him. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Now I want to give I want to throw this
name out to you because me being your brother.
Speaker 6 (41:40):
Close to you and feeling it might be biased on
this because I felt like he was unfitted. But it
might have been some things you learned from him from
the harsh realities and punishments and the way it felt
like he looked at you from the inside out because
(42:01):
you was actually in the league and after the deal
with Rest in Peace, Commissioner Davids Man, you know.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
What I mean, my man like man, I had bef
with him for a while.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
I mean, like, why is he just hating? Oh no,
we had we had we had problems, but he you
know what I mean. Unlike Commissioner Silver, you know what
I mean, he got to know me, you know, in
the aftermath of playing in the league, and he had
a better understanding because David Stern, me and him became
close later on in my career after taking time.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
To try to understand who I really was.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
You know what I mean, A lot of times you
get thrown off, you know what I mean, by the
look and the perception, you know what I mean, the braids,
the corn rolls, the baggy you know what I mean,
the baggy clothes and and all that, and you don't
get a chance to It's just the first don't You
don't know?
Speaker 2 (42:58):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Like you, I always use this analogy. You look at
John Gottie, you know what I mean. He got the
dapple done, he got the soups on, you know what
I mean, He's smooth. But in the streets John Gotti
get busy, agous man, you know what I mean. Like
and it's that perception. You look at what's the movie
Reservoir Dogs. They robbed that jewelry store. What they have
on suits?
Speaker 2 (43:19):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Most times a woman walking down the street, she won't
grab her person if she see a clean cut guy
walking down the street with a suit on. But a
dude dressing like us, you know what I mean, gonta
grab that joint, you know what I mean. It was
like David Stern. After he took the time to get
to know me, then we became we became close, you
know what I mean, And you know made rest in peace.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
Man.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
He was a he I found out because I didn't
like him, but I you know, I got to know
him too, man, beautiful man, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
It was just a perception. You know, the Man came
to the rock. He through the TS shane On. David
Stern came to the Rock and through the TS shain
On he came to see the Tective Grafety.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
He was real safe. He was real safe with that ship.
But let me tell you something, this Adam silver Man.
I loved this commissioner man me too special guy man.
When when when it all went down with George Floyd
and know all that, you know, he always with the people,
He always understand he always with the culture.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
And I'm no.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
Groopie, but every time I see him, I take the
time out to be like, yo, commission sup, because I
really feel him as a person and how he tries
to do right by everybody.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Commission he was there, he was, he was at the
joint line. You know the words that leaned back.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Hey, Yo, No listen, listen when I did that bullshit
ass rap album, when I did that ship and you
know I was doing that, but I was doing that
because Rob wanted me to do it. I ain't never
the man I was. I'm so embarrassed when I hear
that ship now. But we don't got we don't spend
no time on that. But the most embarrassing ship was
when I did the album. I had to come here
(45:01):
to meet with him. David Yes and THEO. Ratliff came
with me. He was the players representative, so he was
on my team.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
He had to you know, I had to. We rode
in a limo all the way there.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
First thing he started, he was talking shit to me
about because I had a Cleveland Indians jersey. I remember,
we was wearing the jerseys and shit back then, I
had the Indians had on. He was like, why you
got on Major League Baseball stuff?
Speaker 2 (45:25):
You know you're in the NBA. I'm like what you
know what I mean? Like, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
And then out of nowhere, man, he pulled out a
piece of paper, sending them looking Mike, what is he doing?
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (45:41):
The man started reading the lyrics. Man, I wanted to
crawl up under the table.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
You know what I mean. I was so embarrassed, man,
I mean the curse look, the curse words everything. You know.
I was at the studio sessions, yo. Man, Yo, that
shit was so embarrassing, you know what I mean. But
y'all listen, y'all, chuck, let me tell you something white.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
We can use the money, But I'm gonna keep coming
back to this, but we give it to a charity.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
But I think they owe you reparations.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
I think right now everything AI ever stood for if
we if we tell somebody, we tell somebody, every single
point guard in the NBA somehow always wanted to be
at or you're their idol, or they want to wear
number three or you know, now they got cameras filming
their clothes and their mom. You you don't like that ship, mom,
(46:39):
but cause you know, you went through a lot, and
now they dressing like him and we celebrate.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
But I took the ass whooping for it, like yeah yeah.
But they the best part about it, underground, the best
part about it. They give me my flowers for it,
you know what I mean. That's the that's the yeah.
But you asked what I do?
Speaker 2 (46:59):
That all for them to walk and I want no money.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
But they respected. They respected. That's why that's why I
love them. That's why I'm watching the game before before
the game. Come on, I'm watching the red carpet joint.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
You know what I mean. It's like and it's a
it's a beautiful feeling. Man. Let me tell you something.
Every time I watched.
Speaker 4 (47:16):
Maybe I'm biased because of you, but every time and
I love him always big up like Shah whoever could drect.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
You know, I'm into fashion, so I love what they doing.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
But every time I'm not gonna lie to you they
walk in the tunnels, I'll be like, yo, they owe
ai money, they find you.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Every game.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
They show, they show love for it. They give me
my flowers for it. That's the only thing that I
that that matter to me. That's that's it was worse
getting my ass whipped for it. It was worth it
to see them do that, do their thing, to see
them express themselves like that. When you look at the game,
you everybody don't play the same. The hell you gonna
dress the same for you know what I mean? I
was twenty one years old. Where the fuck am I
(47:55):
going after the game? Where I'm gonna need a suit on?
Speaker 2 (47:58):
I'm going to the club on Fridays on a.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Friday, you know what I'm saying, Fucking the Corona And
I ain't never like I said before, I ain't never
worn no motherfucking Do you got that documentary?
Speaker 2 (48:08):
You got that that in the documentary Fridays? Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
After every single game ladies and Jenny was legendary.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yeah, they had the DJ. Everybody in there had been
to DG. I have show.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
This guy had Hodays on tail at the home game
in Philly. If you never went, I call it his Friday.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
It was so lit. They booked me. I said, they
booked you on Friday. I got brodays. And when his
Fridays after the game ship was off, the ship at
the reserve tables and everything. I was there every Friday
for so With the book though.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
It did good, I mean obviously best seller, you know
what I mean? Would it takes less than a week.
It's just my story. It's kind of it's racingly basically
like me, my mom my sister, my little sister. It's
basically our story. Like you know before it was any
(49:05):
type of support system with all of my friends, the
good ones and the bad ones. It was us as
a family. It was us like literally we all we
got type shit, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (49:19):
It was it was my mom. My mom had me
when she was fifteen. She had me. Now, like I
told her.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Last night, she fucked the bag up because if she
would have had me ten years later, the ship they
getting paid right now, we would attest some of that.
And now me and my mom we grew up together,
Like I used to go to her basketball game where
I was love you know, live dude. You know we
(49:45):
were real family oriented, you know what I mean. We
were always type as a unit. And it just it
just showed everything. Man, It gave you everything.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
It gives you. You think you know, but you don't know,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (49:58):
And I love like having that platform to be able
not to so much explain yourself or nothing, man, just
to be able to tell your story regardless of how
they accept it or not. You know, they don't have
to accept it the way you want them to or
anything like that. Always realize in my life and coming
up that, Chuck, it's gonna be millions of motherfuckers that
(50:22):
love you, and it's gonna be a million motherfuckers that
hate you, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
You concentrate on the ones that lay you, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
You trying to sit around and explain yourself, you know
what I mean, all the time, and explain every move
you make and this that and the thre I was
saying last night, like everybody always talking about man if
I was ai, I would do this.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Bro, You not you know what I mean. Yeah, I
mean if you waiting on being AI, then you in trouble.
You and you in trouble. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
You need to concentrate on what you would do being yourself,
you know what I mean. So it wasn't about it's
like a gift, man. It's like, I'm gonna show you,
you know what I mean. And I don't want people
to think that My story is no different from Crack
growing up where he grew up, back from Jason growing
(51:14):
up where he grew up.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
Back. All that shit was hard, you know what I mean.
We ain't gonna put levels on what was hard. It
was hard, you know what I mean. And it's resiliency.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
It's like, Okay, it's hard, and my percentage is low
of me being able to do what I ultimately want
to do, and that's just to get my family out
of here, you know what I mean. And that's the
that's the goal, you know what I mean. You don't
sit around and try to compare how hard it was.
I wanted the most. I wanted the most accolades, because
(51:45):
you know what I mean, it was rougher in Newport
News and Hampton than it was in the Bronx.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
You know what I mean, Like that ain't what it is.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
It's like all of us to be champion from just
the goal, even if we made it from somewhere that
we were silver spoon mouth motherfuckers.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
You know what I mean. The goal is still hard.
You still got to put it in the work to
do it.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
They gave us a sign. I don't know who's controlling
your time, but hold up. So he only got five minutes. Mama,
come over here. I want you to sit on the couch.
Make this ship legend deby. You know what I'm saying, said,
sit damn mother.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
You know we love you.
Speaker 4 (52:27):
How proud are you to be brother Chuck's moms and
his journey in life, you know, with Bubba Chuck and
all the success and how you see him come around
as a man. It's important because you're the first mother
athletes mother that we all fell in love with.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
We love you braiding his hand in the middle.
Speaker 8 (52:46):
Of the court and you we gotta stop you with that.
That's not me.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
I braided his hair. That's the first he's supposed to.
Speaker 9 (52:53):
Oh, I braided I braided his head for all the
when he first wanted his hair braided. Now I did
break his hair, but his hair was coming loose in
the back, and he was worried about his you know,
he liked to be fly. He was worried about his
hair coming to loose. So, you know, my sister called
me and she was like, and he keeps on telling
(53:14):
me and looking at me, and I don't know how
to breathe here. And I was like, but all you
gotta do is just braidest hair. You're braiding just the
back of it. And so when I got there, I
saw my son.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
That cap running off, is rubbing off on it. If
it is cap is rubbing off, Mommy got yeah, because
mommy got about over there. Mommy got his flag, Mommy
got the story off.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
I got to be authentic. You taught me to be
that way. But you know what I mean, it didn't
go down. It didn't go down.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
And then he over there called him, now, I'm bubba chuck.
Why are you talking to mommy? Now? Now I go
to it. First, I was Ai now turning the bubble
chuck when he talking to mommy. But it didn't. It ain't.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
It ain't happened like that, well you you I got
my version, you got your Yeah, okay, So all of a.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
Sudden, you know, you know your son Ai. You know
my moms ain't here Man, so we want to hear it.
Speaker 4 (54:08):
You know, you know, how proud are you of your
son Man in all his accomplishments and how he inspired
generations of people.
Speaker 9 (54:15):
First of all, I was proud of him from the
first day I saw him, you know, because back then, yeah,
back then, back then when you have a baby, and
I was so young, like he said, so you know,
I had to have him Cinceyrian birth and I was
sleep so when I came, when I woke up in
(54:38):
recovery and they brought me to it, brought him to me,
and I was like, he's so light, and you know
what I'm saying. But when he opened his eyes and
he looked at me, and I saw my eyes looking
back at me, I said, oh, yeah, that's my baby,
you know.
Speaker 8 (54:50):
And I checked everything on him. I checked everything on him.
Speaker 9 (54:53):
But what really blew my mind is, first of all,
I got kicked off the basketball team because I got
pregnant with him.
Speaker 8 (54:59):
But blew my mind was his hands in his arms,
his arms was past his kneecap.
Speaker 9 (55:05):
When I laid them out like that, they were wave
past his kneecap, and I was like, I got a baller,
and I was happy. I was happy, and so I
told my family. I told my whole family. I was like,
you know, I got a baller. So everybody was like
looking at me, like I was simple whatever. But the
thing is, from that point on, he came in my
life and he was the perfect child. He was not
(55:30):
hard headed, he would listen to everything I said, and
he loved the daylights out of me.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
And at that point I needed.
Speaker 9 (55:38):
Love because of the fact that my mom had died
at twenty nine years old.
Speaker 8 (55:43):
Malpractice.
Speaker 9 (55:44):
But anyways, the Iris since said center to Virginia and
they that's the best thing they could have done for me.
And when I had him, when I was carrying him,
I was pregnant playing ball in a hard for Connecticut
and I went from there to Bethel High School playing
ball and he had a favorite cheer and his cheer okay, yeah.
Speaker 8 (56:09):
It was a favorite cheer, and it used to be no, no,
It used to be everybody be.
Speaker 9 (56:14):
On the court and we were we're halftime, and then
they had everybody else saying, go breugh his goal and
everybody will shut up and he'll say shake that thing.
Speaker 2 (56:29):
Sho.
Speaker 8 (56:30):
So that's that's my story.
Speaker 9 (56:31):
But Fire is proud. I want to tell you something
that he said to me this year. I said, Baba,
I said, you know, I am so proud of you.
I said, you just make me so proud. I'm proud
of you. I just wanted it to express that to
him so he'll know it from my all right, Yeah,
And he said I'm not finished. He said, I'm not
(56:51):
finished making you pro And that's what he's been doing.
Speaker 2 (56:58):
But that being shut this ain't that. That ain't there.
This cracking kiss makes some noise from our guests. A
I am Mama loved
Man, just to be able to tell your story regardless
of how they accept it. Everybody always talking about man,
if I was AI, I would do this bro?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
You not? Yeah? Yeah, what up? Y'allist is Joe crack
the dawn?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
It's your boy, Jada, you know what it is? Did
Joe and Jada show? You already know every show legendary,
every show iconic, And today we remain to keep our word.
You know what I mean, Today's guests. When you just
think of the word real, when you think of football,
(00:48):
basketball talk that shit, Jada, you know what I mean,
when you just think of a different cloth, when you
think of not just changing their greatest of all to
the way they look at NBA players come out of
the tunnel. He used to get fined every day. Now
they now they want to see what the players is
(01:10):
coming out with, what they gear they got on. He
still don't get He's still parades, still hasn't got his
proper just due for being for starting the tunnel.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Can the crossover? Oh uh woo?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Heart as big as a giant. I could go on
for years and years and years. Ladies, General makes some
noise for our brother.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Alison and Allen Iverson Bubba Chuck, my brother.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
My brother of all brothers, Alan Buba Chuck iverson Blueboard
News's Finest.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Welcome to the Show, Craig.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
It almost I almost fucked up myself. It was it
was my phone. I forgot to call him about to do.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Your phone ring e almost he almost run off for
the show.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I almost blood Bubba, my gosh, Bubba Turk. You know
what I realized.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
I never knew that before, because I feel like I
have a special relationship with you.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Absolutely, I feel like.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
I'm your brother. I've been to your wedding. I've been
there throughout your whole career. Mom's nose up. I used
to drive down the Philly, but I realized you got
a special quality. You make everybody think they're your brother.
This guy thinks he's your brother too.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
You listen, let me explain something to you. I thought
me and you, but he talked to you the same way.
Do you got a bunch of friends that think they're
your best friend? Because I think I'm out of Office's
best friend. He thinks it, for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I just know I hold a special place in his heart.
For sure.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
It's just who I am. It's a tribute to who
I am, what type of dude I am? Always for
some reason, you know, I track the worst motherfuckers in
the world and the best, you know what I mean.
And that's the hardest part about navigating through life is
you got to depict which ones is which, you know
(03:19):
what I mean. And you guys been around with me
for decades, you know what I mean. We've had this relationship. Dog,
we was twenty years old, you know what I mean,
and we're still here, still standing. The relationship is nothing,
but didn't do anything but flourish, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Got closer and closer over the years, and you know,
look at him, watch I need the love Like, yeah,
I mean, come on, man, start hating towards the end
of the show. Little you know, but you.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Know it's you know, it's you know, it's dope though,
like when we see each other and passing. Yeah, we
talked to each other on the phone, whether and we
bump into each other a lot, you know what I mean,
just being in the same places.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
But it's it's it's real ship.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
When you know the person's crew, they're everyday guys, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
That's when you know it's authentic.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
You know what I mean when you know the homeboys,
you ain't just walking up to him and you know
you're just happy to see your man, you know what
I mean? Them your dogs too, you know what I mean.
That's and that's legendary. No, you know he came to
our funeral for sure down in Miami. My dog, right, dog, bro,
We appreciate you for that. He just you know, that
(04:30):
was a huge look for him. You know what I'm saying.
When you're going out and the real ones come down
and we did mal at Philly for sure. It was
a bunch of Muslim guy that's the first ever been
to a Muslim funeral. Me too, you too, shit different, Yeah, yeah,
(04:51):
Like I want the box.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Like, let me tell you something. A lot of my
friends are muslm best guys in the world.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I want to box. Some want people to cry.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I want people to come in funeral like this was
like real militant, right.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
We went out your body in twenty four be your body.
But then the ladies over here and then you can't talk.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
He's with DoD He's talking to our live right now.
I'm like, yo, I'm trying to cry. I'm trying to like, Yo,
it's a funeral, you know what I'm saying. But it was,
it was, it was, It was different right then we
tow the we throw the third on the music. Yeah,
before that was Robert. I don't want to bring bash ship,
but rob Boogie. Rob Boogie was our guy. I think
(05:31):
I think rob Boogie made us even tight up for
sure because he's originally from the Bronx and he used
to talk mega shit about Fat Joe and Terror Squad
and being, hey, I you don't I want to get
the moms right. Do you remember the first place I
ever met you? I'll tell you well, it wasn't no.
You took me to jammies no way before that. Let
(05:53):
me tell you, so, you was a kid. We both
was kids. Flow Joe was out. I'm telling you we
was kids. What you trying to say, I'm while older
than Get the fuck out of here. The point is,
I got a show in Virginia. I ain't got two
dollars to rub together. You was just going to college
(06:14):
and all that. But you came up to me and
you had a bunch of dudes with you, and y'all
always in army fatigue. It was like a fucking movie.
I gotta put that in my series, right. And it's
a dark parking lot after the show, and you just
walking up with all these I don't know who the
fuck you is?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
You walking up with all these dudes, like, yo, crack
a fuck with you know where I am.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
I was like, nah, Y'all'm bubb Chuck number one, Nigga,
Damn'm gonna lead this this that that's.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
How I met you.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
And you walked off, and I was like, who is
that guy? Like I knew it was something special about
you when I met you there.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
That's the first time I ever met.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
You in the parking lot after that show, and you
just came up and the whole crew had army fatigue
jackets on and y'all walked up. This is before the
bread and all that. But you, y'all walked up and
you was like, Yo, I'm I'm not I'm that dude.
You gonna see me? I was like my brother from there.
You know, we always saw each other.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
I like to say it, no matter how much money
you got or how much you're worth, you as power
for as or you can get on the phone for sure.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
And I always been able to get them on the
phone no matter when.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I used to get you on the phone. What's going on?
You active funny with me? Bro? And Moms just said, Moms,
don't you know we're not playing that? You know, Moms? Yo?
Why you playing with me? I did son to you? Man?
Don't do that so he can't get me on the
phone either. No, he could get you on the phone, y'all.
Bring that over here.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
I got something for you that you deserved a long
time ago, my brother.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
That's why I'm a little late. You're gonna do that? No?
Speaker 4 (07:45):
No, nah, brother, Christine, you curse me out.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
One day because you ain't have one. Should have you
should have been, brother, because it's my business partner. He's
in on that. But that ship, you know you deserve
that long time ago. Man. Yo. Yo, Yeah, let's crazy, Yo.
I hardly got my ts ship big ts Man fire
(08:18):
you see it? Roll got my journey?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Yeah, this man don cursed me out. Fire Man un
cursed me out ten thousand times, like yo, Man, where
my joint at?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
He don't play that ship? Yes, sir, only on Joe
and Jada. Man.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Oh no, the man that's my family. Yeah, we love
this guy. It's a different type of love. Love that's
lorble chuck wover norumble chuck. Oh you other guys come
on the show.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Thanks for coming, but don't don't sup. He ain't get
the cheap ts chain. He got that ship.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Ship Like, don't come up here with that ship. We'll
give you a bubble gumbar, the twenty five.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Cent shock of Jack Joy crack of Jack. What's up, Jada?
Speaker 5 (09:12):
You you know we here, man, we're here to talk
about the new docu series. We'll tell us about it.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Man.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Look, I said it last night at the at the premiere.
The way I describe it, it's a confirmation to the world,
h that the devil is a sucker, you know what
I mean? And he can't fuck with me. Fucking right, bro,
(09:40):
that ship. He's a liar, he's a he's a whimp.
He's a shrimp, that's right. He's a peon, you know
what I mean. He's a he's a manipulator. He prayed
on the week, he prayed on the people that don't
believe in God.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
You know what I mean. He's just he's just a sucker.
And my journey proves that.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
The ups and downs in my life, the turbulent times,
the times where you know, you fall down and then
you believe in him so much he enables you to
get back up, brush yourself off, keep on going. My
mom told me at eight years old, I could be
whatever I wanted to be in life, and I actually
(10:25):
believed her, you know what I mean. All those times
my friends Instilled Garden, you know, used to tease me, Chuck,
you know, saying you're going to the NBA.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
No, nigga, don't nobody make it in the NBA from here.
You know what I mean? You can hit this nigga
took this line, you know what I mean. Come on, Chuck,
you know what I mean. He ain't making it.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Come back in the crib and crying and all that, Mam,
they said, I can't do it. Whatever say, you can
do whatever you want to do. From that moment at
eight years old, I knew that I would be here
right now today because of those words that came from her,
you know what I mean. And then navigating through this life,
all the things I've been through, all the turbulent shit,
the ups and downs, you know what I mean. My
(11:05):
grandma told me before I got sentenced. The day they
sent me to jail, I was seventeen when I was
eight years old. They waited yall turned eighteen to try
me as an adult eighteen years old. And that morning
I said, no, why are they doing this to me?
If they know that I didn't do what they accused
me of doing. Why is this happening to me?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
You know? Why is God letting this happen? And she said, son,
don't you ever question God?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
And I never have, you know, I mean, from that
point on, I never questioned God anything that happens going
in my life.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
You know what I mean. I've been through a lot
in my life. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I've been through you know, like you talked about Rob Bugie,
you know, different friends of mine, true, you know what
I mean, a lot of guys that I love. You
know what I mean a lot of people in my
life and my family that passed away. You know, different
things happening in my career. You know, even getting to
a point where my money was funny know, the lowest
part of my life with getting divorced, you know what
(12:03):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
From a girl out.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
There with my old life that man, bless you at
your lowis you know what I mean, everything and it's
like think it's over you get a miracle check.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
But yo, never questioning them though, you know what I mean.
And it's a gift. It's a gift, crack, you know
what I mean. This documentary is a gift to that
and and everybody like you know, they do it. It's
so cliche when we always talk about, you know, us
as entertainers, athletes or whatever that were only supposed to
(12:35):
be role models to kids.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
We inspire everybody, all ages, you know what I mean.
We inspire them, you know what I mean. We help
them believe, you know what I mean. They live, you know,
through us and believe through us.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
You know what I mean. People look at it if
chuck and make it, I know I can. And that's
the message.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
That's the gift to show you everything that I went through,
you know, throughout my life and and and being an
open book, you know what I mean, a lot of
motherfuckers just be so embarrassed about things that they went
through in their life, the ups and downs and the
mistakes that they made.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I ain't that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
My girl tell me all the time, you always let
motherfuckers stress you out, and you know you care so
much about people why do you do that?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
And that's not a gift that I have. I don't
know how. I try my hardest to not let it
stress me out. Whatever.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
I'm just like that on a big hearted people at
person and I love who I love, you know what
I mean. But my gift, a gift that I do have,
is that I am an open book. I don't mind,
you know, telling you the mistakes that I make. I
tell my kids all the time. You know, why do
you have to learn the hallway?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
And I already did you know what I mean? Why
can't you listen to what I'm telling you? I love you,
I want you to do what's right. I don't want
you to go through the shit that I went through.
And I made this big ass uproar like last night
before last? One was it to night before last? We
did Atlanta the book tour, and Tip told me he
said he moderated my joint and he was like, yo, man,
(14:03):
your homeboys did a number on you. You know, but
he was saying it, you know, he was saying it
like all you talk about is the pain and the
hurt that you have from the dudes that you grew
up with. Like these motherfuckers, like I was the one
that took that ass whipping, would bringing your aunt's rads.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
And you remember, I was the first one that took
everybody from my hood with me. You know what I
mean to show them the world, and it ain't none of.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Something controversial all the time, Ain't ain't none of me.
I say, you're the closest thing to Tupac because you're
the only person I ever seen play basketball and have
a fucking after party in every city.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
We're the realest guys. These guys, ain't no fucking chumps.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Got the AI, the Alan Olson jerseys on the whole
fucking party every night. Guys that won't give it up
to somebody, Guys that ain't in the business of being suckers.
They was wearing the AI jersey and I was like, yo,
I always tell everybody, I say, Yo, that was the
closest thing I've seen, the tuthpox you call the love
(15:07):
and the pure respect from every gangster in every hood
that you.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Have always had.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
You know, I want to go back to the devil
right because I want people out there to know if
you righteous and you God's child, and you know that
all you want to do is help people get back
to your community, help your friends, be a good role model,
even though you know.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
We flawed and somebody attack you.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Direct. I don't think they're just bad people. I don't
think they semi evil. I think they doing the Devil's
work if they know you with God right, because it's
been sometimes in my life, I say, Yo, God, you
know I'm Gosh, I'm god'shshu.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
And they coming at me like this. I already know.
I said, Yo, this guy's down with the devil.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
He send the motherfuckers and sheep clothing like he sent them.
You know what I mean, You gotta you gotta.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Mean it disguise as ever. Yeah, you know what I mean.
I've seen it. He's a sucker. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Why why you think he the motherfucker never win? He
always in second place. He's powerful, but he always in
second place.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
He never win. He on God's hell, but he don't
never win. You'll, sucker, you're a loser. Mind me and
that old school movie where Nigga the whole stylish chump.
Your whole style is old stylish chump. He suck his
old stylish The.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Only people want to be like him. Or look up
to him or rock with him. It's weak people, you
know what I mean. Weak people easy to influence people,
people to that's easy to manipulate, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
What I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
That's why I love like I talk all that shit
about the injustice is that niggas did to me in
my life.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
But it's like a gift back to God.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
It's like, here you go, chuck, hell of the motherfuckers
you need, you know what I mean, Look at the
people you got with you now. Yeah it's still hurt
because you the motherfuckers, but hig the people that you
have now, you're still the new support system that still.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
People were gonna figure out. Ain't the ones for sure?
You know what I mean? I ain't. I ain't in
it like one thing I want like me all the time,
my old friends.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I ain't putting no article in the daily press talking
about I need new Look what I got, man, Look
what I have in my life.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
You know what I'm saying. I don't need. I don't
need to make no new friends. I got a lot of.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Beautiful people around me, A great support system around me. Man,
I got motherfuckerss around me. Don't tell me what I
need to hear or I mean what I want to hear.
They tell me what I need to hear.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
You know what I mean. The hardest thing for me.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
To have this heart that I have. Everybody thinks like
that on the court. Off the court is even bigger
and the hardest thing for me that I had to learn.
This is a message to everybody. And it ain't just kids,
you know what I mean. You got to implement that
word no in your vocabulary. Man got to be able
to say no. I thought that I could take care
of the world.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Bro, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
And I thought, you know, people tell me all the time,
you you can't do it. And I used to think
I was the exception to the rule. But you cannot
do it, Bro, you know what I mean. And now
dependent onum swinging the way it is, trust me, this
go around is gonna be totally different.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Not only that, let me tell you something, chuck, not
only that. You know a lot of things they say
it's cliche, but it's for a reason. It's like everybody
can't go you know me, same thing the entourage. I
walk in the Royal Palace in Dubai and put your
name over there. My name is Ali kashanikam ms Mal
(18:37):
and so I walk into Royal Palace and for me,
I tell them all the time, I'm not afraid to
say I came from shit right the projects Welfared.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
You know.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
See my mom's begging the man behind the window to
please give us some food stamps for fucking Thanksgiving. I've
seen a borrow. The reason why I feed so many
thousands of families and Thanksgiving this because I used to
see my mother have to borrow from my uncle and
you know they would act funny. You know, yo, I
need some turkey for my kids, so I give back.
(19:09):
But you know the crazy part about it, Damn, I forgot.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
What the fuck? Why was that? What did I start
that shit? I'm getting the olds hamas man, you know.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
But what I'm saying is, huh, it's a flag on that.
But listen, what was I to You should know what
I'm talking about. You guys are here to know what
he's talking about. Oh, shade heavy one was the thing
I try to say. Yeah, walk in the palace and
I look to the right. I can't believe I'm here.
Me Fat Joe cannot believe I'm in the Royal Palace.
(19:40):
They wash your hands. When you walk in, you take
another step. They give you tea, you take another one.
A fig gets out of control. The guys I bring
with me, one of them, in particular, from the Bronx
with me. We all the way in the Middle East
through by his pants down to his ass down here
walking in the Royal Palace.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I looked at him.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
I said, man, I punch you in your face so
fucking hard if you don't pick them fucking pants up.
Speaker 7 (20:03):
Where my man at my man? No he ain't No,
my dog, my dog. We in the Royal show some
fucking I ain't gonna say your name. No, I'm just
saying I'm walking in the Royal Palace. I look his
pants under his ass and say, Yo, my man, you
want to get punched in your fucking face. You show
(20:27):
some fucking respect.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Guy like you never be in the you know how
motherfucker still order ordering chicken, tenderloins and ship.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Now I wander some loss and some ship. I didn't
even get it.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Know what I'm trying to say is everybody can't go.
You want to show the world. I gotta want to
help everybody, but he everybody can go, can't go with you?
Speaker 2 (20:50):
To where you go. Everybody ain't. The truth is everybody
ain't for the promised Lamb. My man can go. He
just can't go like that, no more he can go.
He just he know he can't go like that, no
more going wherever I'm going. Listen, That's not my point.
My point is shown some respect. You know, you and
some ship. I don't. I can't believe I'm in the
(21:11):
ship and I look at you. You embarrassing me.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
You know, you don't know what This meeting can lead to,
a lead to money, It could lead to businesses, can
lead definitely relationships. They looking like yo, look at Joe
with this dusty dude, Like, Yo, we can't play that game.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Man has some fucking respect. But that's my point.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
It's like they definitely a reflection to you. They definitely
got to represent your brand. They got to care about
your brand. Man, You know what I mean, It's just
it's being selfish, you know what I mean. You're just
thinking about yourself. You know, it's a bigger picture, you
know what I mean. Like I said, my man, you know,
he got together, but he was he was, he was
like that. But wherever I go, he going. The series
(21:51):
executive produced by Shock and Steph. Yeah, I mean, I
know Shock as your man. I got a lot of
rebox money over there. Yeah, what's so Steph? Him and
Steph doing some production shit or you know, I mean,
you know, they just let me go for mine, you know,
just like the vice president role, you know what I mean. Shock,
Ultimately he he make the final decision, but damn if
(22:14):
he ain't gonna holler that little bro like what you're thinking.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I give him my ideas and he let me rock,
you know what I mean, and then we collectively make
all decisions. Steph just to me, it's just an honor
man like, I just admire the dude, you know what
I mean, squeaky clean, but you know, behind the scenes,
he just like.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Us, you know what I mean, no doubt. And then
he that man just kill things that he can do. Man,
he a straight serial killer. You know what I mean.
He must see TV I don't never make. I got
direct TV. Well what is it? The league? Past league?
Speaker 1 (22:52):
I got that league just for him, you know what
I mean. I don't miss no go to state game,
you know what I mean. I got to see that
goddamn life skinned killer every night.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Man, that dude right there is different, you know what
I mean. He's like when you talk about the dude
like motherfuckers, be like yo, he him like he him
for real?
Speaker 5 (23:13):
What's so tell us about rest in peace? Coach John Thompson,
Big John? How what did he mean? What does he mean?
Speaker 2 (23:20):
What did he do for you?
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I was looking at Instagram yesterday. I seen you know,
they put a quote in there, you know, but they
put it in there like I said it, you know
what I mean, But it's some shit they come from him,
you know what I mean? And he said, you always
listening to guys and your homegirls from in your family,
everybody from your neighborhood when you you know, getting advice,
(23:45):
you know what I mean, because that's where you're at.
That's where you know. The older the older heads they
give it to you. You know what, they know, what
they've been through in life. But Coach always used to
tell me, you always listening to somebody that's trying to
tell you how to get from A to Z and
it ain't never been there, you know what I mean.
And he was giving me that message and it resonated
(24:08):
with me so much. You know when I did this
documentary and when I did the book, you know of
how I'm trying to help save lives by my experience,
you know what I mean. And that's what I that's
what I'm able to give to the youth and to
my peers and people that you know that relate to me.
I made it from A to Z, you know what
(24:29):
I mean. Obviously I didn't. I came out and you know,
I came out unscathed. I've been through a lot, but
I made it from A to Z. When I go
to my neighborhoods and I go to the Boys and
Girls Club and I do stuff for Thanksgiving and Christmas
and stuff like that, when they looking at me, they
looking at somebody that grew up where they from.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Like you can't sit, you don't have no excuses. You
looking right at the dude. You can go over there
and touch them. You can dap him up. That's the
dude right there. He come from where you know, the
parents telling him he come from where you come from.
You can't tell me you came make it out of
here because he did it, you know what I mean.
And for me to be able to go from A
to Z and to have an impact far as my voice,
(25:08):
to help somebody, you know what I mean, fulfill their dreams. Man,
to me, that's that's that's God. It's God, It's God.
Get we know you bad news. They had another star
in bad News, Mike Vick for sure. Did you see
the birth of Mike Vic that you know what was
going on with Mike Vic? That you being from the
same neighborhood, did you know he was gonna be great?
(25:30):
He at the time, Mike, Mike was younger than me,
you know what I mean. He came up af came
up after me. You know what I mean, Like he
came up on me basically, you know what I mean.
So he watched everything that I went you did, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (25:45):
And then I've seen him Scott Blue drop Top that
least coming through that bad movie. Ain't nobody y'ah, nobody
was he from AI? You had a lot of fucking calls. Man,
Sis was coming Like I thought this ship was free.
I remember, I didn't tell you I'm riding with you. No,
I'm telling you the truth. I thought this ship was free.
(26:07):
The man coming with three back to back drop to ship.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
This he coming up free. Yo, it's discussed. I remember
Steph told me, Steph Marlbury, that's what I love.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I love stuff. That's my dog. I love stuph to death.
Steph told me one time we were just talking, just
me and him, was in the back of the bus.
He was like, Chuck, man, why do you have two
fantoms and the same fantom just different colors?
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Like for what you know what I mean? I swear
back then, I thought it was like looking at.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
That legs was shopping to sit to New York from Philly.
We don't know nothing about the knowledge nothing.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
He pulled up.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I used to run out of gas and the motherfucker
just man.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Just wow man. But when I came in, I ad
when he won one of the joints ran out of gas. Yeah,
I was twenty one.
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Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, you remember, I got too many stories with you
that will chill on. Yeah, I know. I listen to
the stories. You listen to my story.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
They don't even That's why one you want it. That's
why I say. That's why I tell you know we
got beat up in bad news.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Man don't do that.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
And you know Ross started those ship so he starts
something happened. You remember you admitting this something happened. Yeah,
you say, I got you beat up. He got hit
by in the chest with a Heineken bob.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
What they threw about it? He said, I got him
beat up.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
He got hit.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Somebody threw at bottom and hit him in the.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Chest, in the chest. Yeah, I never said I never
said that.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Didn't that, But he said, he said I got him
beat up the chest did nothing.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
He said, I got him beat up, beat up. Well,
first of all, Rock snuffed to do Rod jumped in
the crowd after the dude. Right, we are his birthday party.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
The hottest ship going on out there, right, I don't
understand the ship.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
One man, we over there, We're like, yo, we were
AI bad news.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
The next thing they throwing with so many No, man,
you was wrapped, you was you was performing, You was performing,
And it was a It was a motherfucker in the
stands that wanted to he wanted the mic, and Rob
was telling the dude chill.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
And then after he started telling him chill, then the
dude was fuck y'all. And then Rogers. What I do
know is we have just got They threw. They threw
so many glasses of Jack Daniel.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Got hit by steal, got hit by behind Agim bottle.
See it whenever whenever people talk about him, Cappin on
the joint. See I know him personally, so I know
I've never known him as a liar, you know what
I mean? And he and and what people got to
understand back listen, Yeah yeah, listen, but but listen, I'm
(30:42):
listening only only thing like the stories that you know
where I wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
You know what I mean, I can't confirm him, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
All I can I can speak on the person that's
telling the story, so I know he don't he don't lie.
He ain't never lied to me. So when he's telling
my stories, that's what I go off. So he hit
him ninety nine point nine percent.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Right, yeah, here, you know what I mean? We got
our ass beat man.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
That didn't happen. Everything everything, And so if you if
if he can hit by a bottle, I asked, what
got his ass?
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Well, we played seventy games of Spade, for sure, and
we was in there for hours, and we were so
hyped to go to this point.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I don't know what the fuck happened. I just showed
you what happened.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Come when we pull up, everybody chasing us. Now he
got the drop tops out there. So it's like Ali
boom bay yank everybody yo yo that yeah, you know,
because you remember.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
What you told me in front of my uncle Stevie
house that day we was it. Yeah, I'm gonna throw
no crag on him. Look, I'm telling you what. Look,
if you think about all the ship that he's done
in his life and the place he's been in the
events he's been to, like and all the shit that
go on in a motherfucker like his life.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Man, you cannot be totally accurate on everything.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
It shit get blurry. And then we well, I know,
I drunk a lot, you know what I mean. But
I remember that in front of my house, in front
of Uncle Stevie house, I had the blue bent lez
Or drop top joint and we were sitting down in
front of the joint and he was like, yo, Chuck,
I'm gonna have one of these one day, you know
(32:21):
what I mean. And the first I don't know what
was your first color was at the silverling sky blue,
sky blue, sky blue joint. And I remember, I don't know,
I don't know. I know it wasn't the video because
you know, usually in the videos, you know, because I
had when I was in Atlanta, I had everybody using
my cars videos.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
But I remember seeing you in it.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
It was it was something they was doing and you
was driving the joint, and man, I was watching it
on TV and it fucked me up, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
It felt so damn good because I was like, yo,
like I was a part of that.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Like he told me that he was gonna get in
one of them joints and you had the joint, Man,
you got the joint, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I got the picture with him. He was like fat
Shoe this guy, you remember, he was big. Jada kiss.
He was a little like fat. She was a little plumpy.
I got the fucking picture, Jake, I got the fucking pitch.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
You could do pull ups now with one finger and
all that ship, But back then you was eating that
fried chicken.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Boy. That boy boy fucking some sit up. I got
that picture. He get mad. I post that ship like
every three months for no reason. Be like me and Jada.
Why are you posting that ship? Joe? I love when
you post man.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Let me, do you remember that night? Though you took
a long time when you took me, we couldn't find
a hotel, you know when you told that story, let
me yo told it the right way, Yes you did,
But let me tell you know him about I don't
think I had the game the next day.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Though, yes you did. We will sit listen.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
First of all, the owner hate me. What's his name,
bomb Pat Croche. He thought I'm smoking and drinking with you,
and this and this and that.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
He told me.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
One day we went to some Adams Samuler window and
he said, fat Joe man, I'm so proud of you, man,
how you he said.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
I used to tell him all the time, I didn't
want you with Chuck. I though you was a bad guy, CEO,
I was.
Speaker 8 (34:12):
The nicest guy.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yere, What the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (34:16):
So he comes up, he got a game like Saturday,
and he come to Jimmy's cafe with us. He got
the drop top. We said, I was not jocked, all right,
you wasn't driving.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
So I never drove drunk. I never did. Okay, he
never drove. I used to be drunk as a motherfucker.
Let me say something like. We was tore down Bubba
Chuck at the game the next day. But I mean
like not regular, like smad, like walking sideways. And you said,
my man, that I threw up, and I ain't never
threw up.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I never threw up. Yeah, I remember you telling the story.
I ain't never threw up drinking.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
We pull up in my man's house in the bummiest
area of the Bronx, the only place to go. You remember,
do you?
Speaker 9 (35:00):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (35:01):
You still slept on Yes, we slept on clothes when
his house is so bummy that they got clothes all
on the fucking You're still cool of course he's family.
When you want me say, I'm talking your true story.
We spend the night. He got a game against the Knicks.
The next day, I wake up, He's gone already. So
I wake up, say ten in the morning, Chuck is
(35:23):
gone already. I don't know how he did it.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
So I go to the Knicks. Man if I'm I'm
keeping it a buck with you. We drank so much.
I had diarrhea in the next day, Like, I was
fucked up. And Jimmy's too. Jimmy, I was too. That
shit was crazy. And I go to the game.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
I'm fucked up. So I go to the game and
purposely I'm not courts outed. I'm like tenth row, like hiding,
and I'm looking at yallars. He dropped like forty one
and the Joe Buden s stopped. You gotta stop.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
You think about it, though, think about it. How old
was I that recovery time with you?
Speaker 4 (36:00):
I think, Man, remember the game me and you went
to when Larry Johnson hit the three point shot?
Speaker 2 (36:08):
You remember that ship? Me and a I was in there.
We was just chilling and y'all had just got out
the playoff. Me and you we went to the game.
He was like, yo, Joe, you got tickets to the game.
I said, let's go. He said, let's go.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
And they had just got eliminated the round before, and
that's when your man Larry Johnson hit the shot with
niggas went crazy.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I'm sitting next day.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
I've been looking to see if anybody got a picture
that day. You know how legendary that day is when
Larry Johnson hit the three point shot.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
It was the crowd, it was the way the crowd was. Ship.
I'm looking for me in.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Ai and all the pictures, all the videos all I
can't see it, you know, because now they try to
say him cap.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
You know now I got to bring the.
Speaker 8 (36:52):
Receipts out and you got all your legendary movement.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
We got the best.
Speaker 10 (36:58):
Hell you're talking about that and the history and the
history in the history. Bring the flags back, crazy and
keep wanting that mobile. I think it should just be
original and do something else.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
You gotta figure something that alone, you gotta you gotta
figure something else out, like they try to, like when
I do commercials and ship like that, they try to
get me to do the step over over again, and
I try to do it. I don't know how to
do because I didn't know what I was doing in
the moment. It just ship just happened, you know what
I mean. But that that commercial right there, I knew
who I wanted when they when they talked to me
(37:35):
and came to me and was like, Yo, we're gonna
do it like this.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I said, oh, yeah, I know, I'm going to get
that ship. So legend playing it and they was playing
it in the club. It's crazy crazy. That's a historical
moment in hip hop and top five you know alive
that pover, you know, he hates that. I thought I
had beef with the guy who AI hates that. You
don't like that, I just love it. I just love
(37:58):
you don't have like fake beef. I'll tell you. I'll
tell you I scrilled him for the rest of his life. Yeah,
I'll tell you. I'll tell you a story about about dude.
He crazy. Man, I tell you a story about dude.
The next year.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Man, he put me through l though he was he
was a pest, you know what I mean, and shot
and Kobe was they was fucking with him because I
was idol. So they was like before the joint started,
they was like, yo, you're gonna let him go out
there and have his way, you know what I mean?
Because you looked up to him and this, that and
the third, and that's why we were getting at it
the way we were.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
And I hated him, and I remember he had got
after him going to war with me like that.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
He was getting he was a free agent, he was
getting offers crazy, and he went to Washington and they
gave him like five million a year or something like that.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
And you know, like right where we left off, you know,
we was going at it again. In the game, going
at it.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Somebody was shooting a free throw and we was in
the back court and I was talking ship to him,
talking shit to me, ready to fight and all that,
and I was like, look, motherfucker, I say, you got that.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Little ass five million a year, you know what I mean?
Because of me?
Speaker 1 (39:07):
And the motherfuckers did some shit O would did. He
looked at me and said thank you, yeah, and both
of us just started laughing.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
And we've been like this ever since. Man, that's my mother.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
For a lot of times, people you go to war
where you build a certain respect, respect them, but you
go to war with certain chumps that you don't respect
you be like, yo, these guys a sucker. But when
you find a formidable adversary, you turn around, you come
up out of it. You find a way to be
men and squash it. You got a different level with
respect for them, and they got a different level of
(39:40):
respect for you. Sure, that's cool.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Who's the biggest sal You would say him, who's the
biggest wars?
Speaker 9 (39:47):
Like?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
What was it like? Man going to play against Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
You started to ask the question, and that was going
to be my answer. It was gonna be him the
cold biggest war. Yeah, And then you asked me, what
was it like?
Speaker 2 (40:00):
You know what I mean? So you know we can
kill two birds with one stone, I mean, bro wars,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Because I used to feel like with me, Damar Johnson
was the same way, because you know, because how tall
he was, you know what I mean, he was sixteen.
He gave me problems because he could back up off
of me and just contest the jumps. Yeah, you know
what I mean, he could just back up off of me. Yeah,
you know what I mean, and he could get a
hand up, you know what I mean. Anybody else showing
Princess Mother take Yeah, but but but Kobe too, Kobe
(40:31):
six six, and Kobe could move like he could later
he could move. He was a defensive He was a dog,
you know what I mean. So me and him had wars.
But like if you not my size, you know what
I mean, especially like Marcus Banks. You're hoopas so you
know member Marcus Banks Stockey six two, you.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
He used to give me problems because he could move
laterally then if I get bombed, you know, he had to.
He was like, you know, Steph gave me problems, you
know what I mean. You know, Cole had a lot
of that into the strength and then he was like
a defensive minded dude. I mean, he gave me problems.
But nobody really could you know what I'm saying. Nobody
(41:14):
really could could You know? If I had a bad night,
you know, nine times out of ten it was it
was me, you know what I mean. But I used
to go through some wars with Kobe and it was
so different to me.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
It won't fail. And to show you what type of
dog he was because he would guard me, but I
ain't have to guard him. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Now I want to give I want to throw this
name out to you because me being your brother.
Speaker 6 (41:40):
Close to you and feeling it might be biased on
this because I felt like he was unfitted. But it
might have been some things you learned from him from
the harsh realities and punishments and the way it felt
like he looked at you from the inside out because
(42:01):
you was actually in the league and after the deal
with Rest in Peace, Commissioner Davids Man, you know.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
What I mean, my man like man, I had bef
with him for a while.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
I mean, like, why is he just hating? Oh no,
we had we had we had problems, but he you
know what I mean. Unlike Commissioner Silver, you know what
I mean, he got to know me, you know, in
the aftermath of playing in the league, and he had
a better understanding because David Stern, me and him became
close later on in my career after taking time.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
To try to understand who I really was.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
You know what I mean, A lot of times you
get thrown off, you know what I mean, by the
look and the perception, you know what I mean, the braids,
the corn rolls, the baggy you know what I mean,
the baggy clothes and and all that, and you don't
get a chance to It's just the first don't You
don't know?
Speaker 2 (42:58):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Like you, I always use this analogy. You look at
John Gottie, you know what I mean. He got the
dapple done, he got the soups on, you know what
I mean, He's smooth. But in the streets John Gotti
get busy, agous man, you know what I mean. Like
and it's that perception. You look at what's the movie
Reservoir Dogs. They robbed that jewelry store. What they have
on suits?
Speaker 2 (43:19):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Most times a woman walking down the street, she won't
grab her person if she see a clean cut guy
walking down the street with a suit on. But a
dude dressing like us, you know what I mean, gonta
grab that joint, you know what I mean. It was
like David Stern. After he took the time to get
to know me, then we became we became close, you
know what I mean, And you know made rest in peace.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
Man.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
He was a he I found out because I didn't
like him, but I you know, I got to know
him too, man, beautiful man, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
It was just a perception. You know, the Man came
to the rock. He through the TS shane On. David
Stern came to the Rock and through the TS shain
On he came to see the Tective Grafety.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
He was real safe. He was real safe with that ship.
But let me tell you something, this Adam silver Man.
I loved this commissioner man me too special guy man.
When when when it all went down with George Floyd
and know all that, you know, he always with the people,
He always understand he always with the culture.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
And I'm no.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
Groopie, but every time I see him, I take the
time out to be like, yo, commission sup, because I
really feel him as a person and how he tries
to do right by everybody.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Commission he was there, he was, he was at the
joint line. You know the words that leaned back.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Hey, Yo, No listen, listen when I did that bullshit
ass rap album, when I did that ship and you
know I was doing that, but I was doing that
because Rob wanted me to do it. I ain't never
the man I was. I'm so embarrassed when I hear
that ship now. But we don't got we don't spend
no time on that. But the most embarrassing ship was
when I did the album. I had to come here
(45:01):
to meet with him. David Yes and THEO. Ratliff came
with me. He was the players representative, so he was
on my team.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
He had to you know, I had to. We rode
in a limo all the way there.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
First thing he started, he was talking shit to me
about because I had a Cleveland Indians jersey. I remember,
we was wearing the jerseys and shit back then, I
had the Indians had on. He was like, why you
got on Major League Baseball stuff?
Speaker 2 (45:25):
You know you're in the NBA. I'm like what you
know what I mean? Like, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
And then out of nowhere, man, he pulled out a
piece of paper, sending them looking Mike, what is he doing?
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (45:41):
The man started reading the lyrics. Man, I wanted to
crawl up under the table.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
You know what I mean. I was so embarrassed, man,
I mean the curse look, the curse words everything. You know.
I was at the studio sessions, yo. Man, Yo, that
shit was so embarrassing, you know what I mean. But
y'all listen, y'all, chuck, let me tell you something white.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
We can use the money, But I'm gonna keep coming
back to this, but we give it to a charity.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
But I think they owe you reparations.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
I think right now everything AI ever stood for if
we if we tell somebody, we tell somebody, every single
point guard in the NBA somehow always wanted to be
at or you're their idol, or they want to wear
number three or you know, now they got cameras filming
their clothes and their mom. You you don't like that ship, mom,
(46:39):
but cause you know, you went through a lot, and
now they dressing like him and we celebrate.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
But I took the ass whooping for it, like yeah yeah.
But they the best part about it, underground, the best
part about it. They give me my flowers for it,
you know what I mean. That's the that's the yeah.
But you asked what I do?
Speaker 2 (46:59):
That all for them to walk and I want no money.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
But they respected. They respected. That's why that's why I
love them. That's why I'm watching the game before before
the game. Come on, I'm watching the red carpet joint.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
You know what I mean. It's like and it's a
it's a beautiful feeling. Man. Let me tell you something.
Every time I watched.
Speaker 4 (47:16):
Maybe I'm biased because of you, but every time and
I love him always big up like Shah whoever could drect.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
You know, I'm into fashion, so I love what they doing.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
But every time I'm not gonna lie to you they
walk in the tunnels, I'll be like, yo, they owe
ai money, they find you.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Every game.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
They show, they show love for it. They give me
my flowers for it. That's the only thing that I
that that matter to me. That's that's it was worse
getting my ass whipped for it. It was worth it
to see them do that, do their thing, to see
them express themselves like that. When you look at the game,
you everybody don't play the same. The hell you gonna
dress the same for you know what I mean? I
was twenty one years old. Where the fuck am I
(47:55):
going after the game? Where I'm gonna need a suit on?
Speaker 2 (47:58):
I'm going to the club on Fridays on a.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Friday, you know what I'm saying, Fucking the Corona And
I ain't never like I said before, I ain't never
worn no motherfucking Do you got that documentary?
Speaker 2 (48:08):
You got that that in the documentary Fridays? Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
After every single game ladies and Jenny was legendary.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yeah, they had the DJ. Everybody in there had been
to DG. I have show.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
This guy had Hodays on tail at the home game
in Philly. If you never went, I call it his Friday.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
It was so lit. They booked me. I said, they
booked you on Friday. I got brodays. And when his
Fridays after the game ship was off, the ship at
the reserve tables and everything. I was there every Friday
for so With the book though.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
It did good, I mean obviously best seller, you know
what I mean? Would it takes less than a week.
It's just my story. It's kind of it's racingly basically
like me, my mom my sister, my little sister. It's
basically our story. Like you know before it was any
(49:05):
type of support system with all of my friends, the
good ones and the bad ones. It was us as
a family. It was us like literally we all we
got type shit, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (49:19):
It was it was my mom. My mom had me
when she was fifteen. She had me. Now, like I
told her.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Last night, she fucked the bag up because if she
would have had me ten years later, the ship they
getting paid right now, we would attest some of that.
And now me and my mom we grew up together,
Like I used to go to her basketball game where
I was love you know, live dude. You know we
(49:45):
were real family oriented, you know what I mean. We
were always type as a unit. And it just it
just showed everything. Man, It gave you everything.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
It gives you. You think you know, but you don't know,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (49:58):
And I love like having that platform to be able
not to so much explain yourself or nothing, man, just
to be able to tell your story regardless of how
they accept it or not. You know, they don't have
to accept it the way you want them to or
anything like that. Always realize in my life and coming
up that, Chuck, it's gonna be millions of motherfuckers that
(50:22):
love you, and it's gonna be a million motherfuckers that
hate you, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
You concentrate on the ones that lay you, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
You trying to sit around and explain yourself, you know
what I mean, all the time, and explain every move
you make and this that and the thre I was
saying last night, like everybody always talking about man if
I was ai, I would do this.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Bro, You not you know what I mean. Yeah, I
mean if you waiting on being AI, then you in trouble.
You and you in trouble. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
You need to concentrate on what you would do being yourself,
you know what I mean. So it wasn't about it's
like a gift, man. It's like, I'm gonna show you,
you know what I mean. And I don't want people
to think that My story is no different from Crack
growing up where he grew up, back from Jason growing
(51:14):
up where he grew up.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
Back. All that shit was hard, you know what I mean.
We ain't gonna put levels on what was hard. It
was hard, you know what I mean. And it's resiliency.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
It's like, Okay, it's hard, and my percentage is low
of me being able to do what I ultimately want
to do, and that's just to get my family out
of here, you know what I mean. And that's the
that's the goal, you know what I mean. You don't
sit around and try to compare how hard it was.
I wanted the most. I wanted the most accolades, because
(51:45):
you know what I mean, it was rougher in Newport
News and Hampton than it was in the Bronx.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
You know what I mean, Like that ain't what it is.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
It's like all of us to be champion from just
the goal, even if we made it from somewhere that
we were silver spoon mouth motherfuckers.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
You know what I mean. The goal is still hard.
You still got to put it in the work to
do it.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
They gave us a sign. I don't know who's controlling
your time, but hold up. So he only got five minutes. Mama,
come over here. I want you to sit on the couch.
Make this ship legend deby. You know what I'm saying, said,
sit damn mother.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
You know we love you.
Speaker 4 (52:27):
How proud are you to be brother Chuck's moms and
his journey in life, you know, with Bubba Chuck and
all the success and how you see him come around
as a man. It's important because you're the first mother
athletes mother that we all fell in love with.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
We love you braiding his hand in the middle.
Speaker 8 (52:46):
Of the court and you we gotta stop you with that.
That's not me.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
I braided his hair. That's the first he's supposed to.
Speaker 9 (52:53):
Oh, I braided I braided his head for all the
when he first wanted his hair braided. Now I did
break his hair, but his hair was coming loose in
the back, and he was worried about his you know,
he liked to be fly. He was worried about his
hair coming to loose. So, you know, my sister called
me and she was like, and he keeps on telling
(53:14):
me and looking at me, and I don't know how
to breathe here. And I was like, but all you
gotta do is just braidest hair. You're braiding just the
back of it. And so when I got there, I
saw my son.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
That cap running off, is rubbing off on it. If
it is cap is rubbing off, Mommy got yeah, because
mommy got about over there. Mommy got his flag, Mommy
got the story off.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
I got to be authentic. You taught me to be
that way. But you know what I mean, it didn't
go down. It didn't go down.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
And then he over there called him, now, I'm bubba chuck.
Why are you talking to mommy? Now? Now I go
to it. First, I was Ai now turning the bubble
chuck when he talking to mommy. But it didn't. It ain't.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
It ain't happened like that, well you you I got
my version, you got your Yeah, okay, So all of a.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
Sudden, you know, you know your son Ai. You know
my moms ain't here Man, so we want to hear it.
Speaker 4 (54:08):
You know, you know, how proud are you of your
son Man in all his accomplishments and how he inspired
generations of people.
Speaker 9 (54:15):
First of all, I was proud of him from the
first day I saw him, you know, because back then, yeah,
back then, back then when you have a baby, and
I was so young, like he said, so you know,
I had to have him Cinceyrian birth and I was
sleep so when I came, when I woke up in
(54:38):
recovery and they brought me to it, brought him to me,
and I was like, he's so light, and you know
what I'm saying. But when he opened his eyes and
he looked at me, and I saw my eyes looking
back at me, I said, oh, yeah, that's my baby,
you know.
Speaker 8 (54:50):
And I checked everything on him. I checked everything on him.
Speaker 9 (54:53):
But what really blew my mind is, first of all,
I got kicked off the basketball team because I got
pregnant with him.
Speaker 8 (54:59):
But blew my mind was his hands in his arms,
his arms was past his kneecap.
Speaker 9 (55:05):
When I laid them out like that, they were wave
past his kneecap, and I was like, I got a baller,
and I was happy. I was happy, and so I
told my family. I told my whole family. I was like,
you know, I got a baller. So everybody was like
looking at me, like I was simple whatever. But the
thing is, from that point on, he came in my
life and he was the perfect child. He was not
(55:30):
hard headed, he would listen to everything I said, and
he loved the daylights out of me.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
And at that point I needed.
Speaker 9 (55:38):
Love because of the fact that my mom had died
at twenty nine years old.
Speaker 8 (55:43):
Malpractice.
Speaker 9 (55:44):
But anyways, the Iris since said center to Virginia and
they that's the best thing they could have done for me.
And when I had him, when I was carrying him,
I was pregnant playing ball in a hard for Connecticut
and I went from there to Bethel High School playing
ball and he had a favorite cheer and his cheer okay, yeah.
Speaker 8 (56:09):
It was a favorite cheer, and it used to be no, no,
It used to be everybody be.
Speaker 9 (56:14):
On the court and we were we're halftime, and then
they had everybody else saying, go breugh his goal and
everybody will shut up and he'll say shake that thing.
Speaker 2 (56:29):
Sho.
Speaker 8 (56:30):
So that's that's my story.
Speaker 9 (56:31):
But Fire is proud. I want to tell you something
that he said to me this year. I said, Baba,
I said, you know, I am so proud of you.
I said, you just make me so proud. I'm proud
of you. I just wanted it to express that to
him so he'll know it from my all right, Yeah,
And he said I'm not finished. He said, I'm not
(56:51):
finished making you pro And that's what he's been doing.
Speaker 2 (56:58):
But that being shut this ain't that. That ain't there.
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