Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by Pusha T and Malice, a.k.a. Clipse, to dive into their rap careers and their new album ‘Let God Sort Em Out.’ They discuss how they originally linked up with super producer Pharrell Williams and how he has been a huge part of their sound from the very beginning. Next, Pusha and Malice break down why they left Def Jam over the Kendrick Lamar track on their new album, explaining that in no way is it a beef record, but that politics and optics were the real reason Def Jam had a problem with it. They also thank Jay-Z and Roc Nation for stepping up to do the distribution and explain why they decided that the first track be "The Birds Don't Sing,” a tribute to their late mother and father, featuring John Legend.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And you get the kencher lamar. Right, that's something that
didn't sound like a beef w reckord to me. It
sounded like.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Ship.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
So you just feel like you just said he said
the politics of it. They ain't even They probably didn't
even listen to it, just hearing the idea of the
politics and thens of it all.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yo, this is Joe, Crack your boy, Jenda. This is
the Joe and Jenda Show.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
It's heavy cocaine talk today. We got the clips in
the building. This is this is Titanic, Glaciers of ice.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Cocaine talk up in this joint. One thing I didn't
dare do is hold on talk today.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome my brothers to the Joe and
Jayden Shower.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Make some noise for the clips. My brother, my brother Malae.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
So what's up, Jos, He's in the ground running in
that Lady, Jenn, No.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I'm just hype.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
When it comes to these guys, I get hyped, you
know what I'm saying. They're like superheroes.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Respectfully.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
You know yesterday, man, you got to sample just one song. Yeah,
that was insane. Appreciated about that ship all the way outside.
She was crazy year has it been since y'all put
out a project together?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Fifteen ten years? Fifteen years?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Wow, still sounded like that. It's crazy. For the they
got a bunch of generic shit over here on the iPad.
We're going to turn that over and not even use that.
But well, just for the for namesake, how the hell,
how'd y'all link up with? For real? For the people
that don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
We had a mutual friend, like one of my best friends, Cam.
He would always tell me about this dude that make
crazy beats or whatever. And Cam would tell for real
about you know, me rapping or whatever. So one day
we was like at the ocean front and we were
just out there free styling or whatever, and uh, you know,
came up to me. He was like, yo, Caam told
(02:06):
me about you. I was like, yeah, he told me
about you too. Engine From there we just LinkedIn. Was
tight of a sense. That's let's talk v A right,
linked up with him in v A.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, v A.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Teddy Raley was out there, yes, right, So he had
Davante swinging all them out there and see the Timberland Pharrell.
I had Mike Vic of course. AI of course, you know,
I beat up with Ai. He never claims that one.
No no you no, no, no, I heard about I didn't.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
I didn't hear about it. You didn't hear about this,
You never heard about the Only thing is you got
the best stories. That's what we've been, the best stories. No,
you never even heard about bad news v A. Of
course when we fought the whole club, it was AI's
birth was news, yes, bropt news. They get No. Now
(03:03):
you not understanding what I'm trying to say. We over
there for AI's birthday. So he's in the hotel gambling
all day, right then we go. We got the convertible
is Ai. He's the biggest thing out there. So we
go to his birthday party and so we pull up
with his crew and this ship is ran pat everybody's hype.
(03:26):
Next thing, I know, one of AI's man's get into
some shit with somebody.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Next thing, I know, the whole club started throwing glasses
at us, like like fucking vodkas and sodass shit, and
we ducking and there's so many glasses that every time
I get up, there's no way to miss.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Like they was sitting. I always tell Ai that story.
He don't recall the story I'm like, remember you got
us fucked up in bad.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
News v E because they his man jumped off and
it was fighting the whole club. So v A right
special place lyrically, I think y'all put it on your back.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
How did y'all move?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Because we gotta say they from the Bronx originally, So
how do we were born?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
But we were born in the Bronx. They were born.
We were born in the Bronx.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Know.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Till in town. You know, as soon as we claim
the Bronx, you know they're gonna kill us.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
They're gonna shoot us.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Please, I was I left a two. He left at five. No,
I left seven. You left at four, Oh man, but
you in the b X still with heavy beef famous
still wouldn't be beef patty right. But let's say you
(04:48):
go to v A. Right, And so that was a
very magical place at that time. Was when he's hits coming, Missy. Yeah,
this ship was dumb out there. You know what people
don't know is, you know, musically, people don't know how
close in proximity we all were, like, you know, Malice.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Went to school with Timbland.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
You know, we used to we used to we used
to ride our bike to Timblin's house. This is middle school,
the junior high school, junior high school, and high school.
Uh Threll ended up moving, you know, next to my
my my elementary school. Like all of this music that
y'all are hearing all of these people is like in
(05:35):
a less than a mile from my house is less
than a mile.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I'm overstanding. I just want the people to just people
know it was greatness. Yeah, on every level, from R
and B to hip hop to everything that was that
was legendary. You guys. So you guys are definitely the
cheat code. I'm not trying to say you guys don't
deserve everything you got, but you guys are the cheeto.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
You got Pharrell doing every beat on this Like.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
We can't afford that, Like we can't afford Pharrell to
do every beat on their album.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Like it's not even about being able to afford p
it's about being able to get next to him and
get his time and get but they his brothers. So
that's the It's definitely definite.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
What it's like having Pharrell one of the geniuses of
this He's a genius, absolutely not even just beats.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Everything's a great lesson.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
It's gonna be studied one hundred years from that. But
got your.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Guy, Yeah, you know, dealing with Pharrell man, I think
that collectively we we got like a synergy that like
takes us back to our fan of hip hop moment,
you know what I'm saying. So, like music, there's only
certain things that we want. There's only certain things that
(07:04):
were gonna resonate with. There's only certain We don't chase sounds.
We chase the feeling. We chase, we chase time.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
You know what I'm saying. We chase we chase locks,
free styles. You know what I'm saying. And what that
meant like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
What that meant to us at that particular time, Like
this is like you know, we just chasing that energy.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
We chasing that energy.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
So when we get together, that's what that's what the
that's what that's what the studio session is like. It's
not about like you know this sound or trying to
you know, compete with what's going on. It's like, nah,
if it don't make us feel like you know this,
then we're just not doing it. And it's it's it's
(07:48):
tough because you know, Pharrell's a future thinker. He's a
future thinker. He's a future futuristic type of person. So
if you say something that that harkens back too much
to the style, it ruins the whole session. He don't,
you know what I'm saying, he doesn't, he's nutlike that
type of certain buzzwords. It kind of ruins it. So
(08:11):
it's like, you know, you you you, you work around it.
But the one thing that we all have in common
is that we really remember the time where like hip hop.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Was stabbing us, like just stabbing us.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Every you know what I'm saying, like, we just remember
that time and that just blew your mind when pause
or whatever they want to say, but when when I'm
just saying now, it's like calls forward, like you know,
But the thing is, who's some of the artists that.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Blew your mind coming up? When you heard him, you
just knew you felt like the world changed.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Prodigy ruined my life the peak Prodigy.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Prodigy ruined my whole life.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I think I would have to blame Prodigy for like, yeah, man,
it was you know, Prodigy was it for me?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Man?
Speaker 4 (09:10):
I Like, you know, I remember being in school and
like arguing, like, you know what was better, mob of
boot camping. I'm a mob to the death. But I
just thought that Prodigy was it was something very poetic
about what he did.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, for me, it was definitely.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
I took it back to the Juice Crew, Uh Rock,
Big Daddy Kane, just the real lyricists, you know, the
ones that gave you that feeling, the ones that you
look forward to coming out, you know when they were dropping,
and uh, that's why patted my my whole rap style after.
You know, It's about being a lyricists, about having something
(09:49):
to say, making some kind of sense and in the
style and all of that.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
So, yeah, I caught goosebumps. Yeah, caught goosebumps.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
First music is Push. Push has been consistent with dropping
music and going on tour and you know what I mean,
just being relevant in the culture, in fashion and lifestyle.
Some of the meanest jury. We know you went on
a hiatus for a while, you you know, just did
(10:18):
your feel anything. Wasn't doing no music right now? You
know after fifteen years, Oh what have you let God
sort them out? What's sparked it? What's spark it?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
I cannot discount During my hiatus. I did two solo
projects myself, Hear Ye Him and Let the Dead Bury
the Dead.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
So I was always still active.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Yeah, still still sharpening my skills. I think when we
went out to Wyoming, you know, with Yay, you know,
and we did we worked on the Jesus's King album
and we did use this gospel and that that kind
of like pushed my brother and myself into like making
(11:02):
music again and putting us in that atmosphere. And then
we also performed you know at what was it Sunday
Service whatever service? Yeah, so album yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely
the Nego album. Uh, these were the things that I
was like using to be able to approach him about us,
(11:23):
you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, we we
had I pray for you.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
It was just certain songs, I mean, certain projects that
it was like, man, you know it made sense to
me at the time.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, yeah, because I had asked before and it's like
now you went heavy Church, heavy Jesus. Yeah, I'm heavy
Jesus too. How How was it doing the album?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Now?
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Is the clips talking? That street is perfect? It's perfect,
It's the right time, It's perfect.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I'm gonna tell me you like, you know, like we
were talking amongst each other about slick with stick with
every ending had like a positive ending every song. So
how you come at heavy church coming in? Because this
definitely got heavy Jesus heavy Jesus.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
What is what? Right? No? No, no, any church?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
How do you able to make a gangster rap album?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
You know, coming from like the church? I don't.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I don't think I wouldn't call it gangster rap, but
but uh, you know, I think I think when people
look at the clips, apart from the creativity, I think
what you should see is businessmen, family men. I think
you should see uh some level of uh integrity and
(12:45):
being about your business. You know, over the years, the
way my brother has navigated this thing solo like, it
invigorates me. Man, you know what I'm saying. It inspires me.
And it's not too much rap wise that inspires me
except for the locks, you know what I'm saying. But yeah,
(13:05):
absolutely absolutely, you know, so just his enthusiasm about the
game keeps me, uh you know in that headspace.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
That's dope because yesterday, play us one song and we
know what push gonna do. But when you're about the rap,
I see everybody's ear open, everybody's room, just you know,
when you got the fucking German Shephard, don't everybody's ear
opened in.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
The room and was like what malice coming with back?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Now?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
For the one joint they played yesterday, you know, you
know these are my brothers. They both absolutely both go crazy.
But this song, the beat was insane. They switched up
the flow. They both they had the brother they flow with.
They was doing the same flow. But the ship they
were saying was Gregg.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
I want to speak to that man, like I think
that's where, you know, the production and being produced as
an artist comes into play, and that's how you know,
that's how I feel like, that's how we evolve in
this joint too. You know I personally, you know, I
want to I just want to rap, you know what
(14:27):
I'm saying, I just want to wrap. You mentioned the
flow and the patterns and the stencils stupid was insane too.
The thing about it, The thing about that is that,
like you know, that was one of the boxes that
we had to check off, like it had to be
sticky and when you know, when pe be like yo,
it gotta be sticky though, like I just don't you know.
(14:49):
He says things like, man, I don't want mixtape versus no,
I want, like, you know, something crafted. And once you know,
once you go through that that uh, that process of
finding what that melody is or finding what that stencil is,
then you inject the steroids in.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
That, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
That's how that's the only way to be satisfied. For me,
to be satisfied doing something in a stencil, you got
to be saying something bar for bar, you know what
I'm saying. That's the only time it comes together like
a like a like a crossword puzzle for me.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I can't make sure. Make sure y'all don't just and
this is not I only heard one song, but this
is not one of them albums. This is not to
be skimmed through. This is not to be played with.
Make sure you got the right outfit.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
On, make sure right mind state and absorb it and
listen to it repetitively so you can, you know what
I mean, get in the space you need to be.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I think we also well as far as me, But
like I said about me, I always get I'm always
proud of you. You know what I'm saying, because you know,
y'all represent that real hip hop that called.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
That street than you. You know, and when I see
you walking on runways and fucking.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Friends, you know, I'm proud of you so all for
one of us. Fore we understand. But when we see
you guys walking through that ship, were like, Yo, they
let the guys in you, you know what I mean? Like
(16:42):
what that felt feel like to you when you when
you out in France about to get ready to walk
the runway.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Then you dropped the record right the record? We see
Jay going crazy on.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
The Jay was going crazy on the side, like like what.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
The I feel like?
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Man, it's these are the boxes we we're trying to
check off. I feel like I feel like our era
is the era that shows that you don't have to
age out and hip hop. You know what I'm saying,
We don't have to got age out, like niggas is
nice right now, fat And it's like you know what
I'm saying, like we and we actually all live it,
(17:23):
you know what I'm saying, Like we live it, Like
hip hop ain't just raps to us, it's raps, it's
being flies.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Like I'm still taking cold from Caine. You know what
I'm saying. I'm still taking cold from that era, you
know what I'm saying. So it's like that's what it
is to us.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
So it's like, you know, when you get the opportunity
to walk a runway or or get that endorsement deal.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
For me, I'm like, man, I remember when this ship
won't even supposed to be here.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
I'm and my dad telling me, rap on't gon'na be here,
like I remember it, like, man, that it ain't gonna
be nothing.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
Noise, yeah, all the noise. You know, It's like it
was worse for me. I had a Cuban fall. He
understand you at all on the table that he definitely
looking at it now. He was telling me the plain truth.
He was like, you're not going to make it.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
If you seen any Spanish guys make it in this ship,
you're done. And you know I'm from the you know,
I'm from the saw you the Bronx and my father
actually saw Hip Hop born. He was like, there's no
other Spanish people doing this, Bobbie, like you have no chance,
and I'm I'm under the kitchen whiting on the table.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
But then they become my biggest fans. Oh what you know,
I'll never forget.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Man.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
My dad recited bigs Flavor in your ear verse to
me and I was like flavor yr remix and I couldn't.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I was.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
I was floored, floored. I'm like, how white? Wait, when
did you even come into this?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Like you know?
Speaker 4 (18:58):
And I was like, man, like this, I mean that
was That was a time and a point where I
was like, oh no, this damn it. He even hits you,
he even got you reciting. I was like, man, I
you know, I knew Big was I knew Big was
big Man.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, I heard a lot of Biggie smalls. Yes your flow,
Yes in your Cadence bots. Yes for years. Yes, he
was special.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
You know that's funny because Dre from Cooling Dre shot
out my brothers.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
He said he was a big like R.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
And b Jo Toasy and all like he always tell
me the story his father's Jamaica came in with the
flow Joe final. You need to be listening there, Yes,
fuck that smooth ship.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
You need to listen in the fat Joe flow, Joe,
Dre tell me that all the time.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
How long did you got to make this out? Two years?
Speaker 1 (19:51):
You know, but to speak to what you were just saying,
do you know what clips come from the name?
Speaker 3 (19:55):
That was my next question.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
I ain't you got I don't want to Actually it
was it was actually fully clips, fully clips, but we
knew you had the full Eclipsed crew.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah, so shop.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, we shopped it. We had shop it down.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Word you know, crazy Yeah clips detail of the business.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
But right before you I was about to release the album,
something happened with Dev Jim and y'all got about it. Yeah,
how serious it is to be able to do what
you want to do and ownership and the bullshit and
the politics and the business that have to being in
something so long you still have to go.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Through the politics, the politics and the business never stops.
I think that's the rule. I think that's the biggest
takeaway from us. You know what I'm saying. We ain't
been out in.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Fifteen years and it's still the same thing. Yeah. Still
for anybody with some type of business.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Mind. You you can love you can love rap like
we love it, be passionate about it, but it's something
with the business side that always discouraged, discourage you just
want to do other things. Sometimes.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Basically we had the album, had the album, put the
album together, so on and so forth, and you know,
they got we turned it in and we turned it
in with the Kendrick Verse, and they didn't want to
put it out.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
They didn't want to put it out.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Basically, they didn't what I feel like, they didn't like
the optics while they were going through their lawsuit of
you know, the Clips Kendrick together on a song, you know,
coming out under UMG with the lawsuit they got going on,
so on and so forth.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
So ended up having.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
A basically y'all got caught in the two eleven triple
cross that nothing basically, yeah, because of that, you know,
it wasn't even on that.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Type of all the time. It happens to finish.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
So you know, just you know, so so, and we
ended up having a buy al way out of the situation.
It gets a little tricky because we had one album
deal the Clips did, and then you know I was
signed there as well, so you can just you know,
the Clips couldn't just leave without me, you know what
I'm saying, And so we had to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
And here we arenation it was in the position to
buy yourself shut out the.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Whole man yeah, definitely shout out the whole man.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Rock nation, rocknation for sure. Yeah, man, you know just whatever, man,
you know we roll with the punches, bro like what
it is we do.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Yeah, always got the faith in the music, man, The
faith is always in the music. Like we always know
that ship gonna be right. So that's you know what
I'm saying, that's what we believe in.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Right definitely. Uh, you got a tour coming up. I
think I've seen a.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Third tenth twenty five dates of just back to back. Man,
they sent me a tool bus the other day. I'm like, whoa,
Like what last time?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
You ship?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
So good life where you don't need the bus Like man, yo, yo,
we used to live on the bus.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Now it's like a bus the but they send me
the buty's to us. You gotta sweet, you gotta sweet
and ride with all these people.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I'm like, you know, I want to be around all
these people. Yeah, I turned down tours. Man, my knees
ain't the sent my ankle, I'm like what two months?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Keep like like you know, I don't think I could
do it. Like I'm a fill with you, you know
I do.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I work on the week right now, I'm gone like
I go every weekend, but to do the tour thing
every day, bringing the noise every day every city, I
haven't done that in a long time. Be I don't
know if I want that opportunity.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I'm keeping it real and.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
For us, you know, I guess with us just being
away for so long, it's like it's it's the highlight
to get back in front of the in front of
the fans, you know what I'm saying. So we'll sacrifice
that waiting for you to you know, now, I love it.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, supposed the ways I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
So listen, I go see kids every time he pull
up one finger. Bro, you're not built up.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
In this time. And there is a lot of young
dudes that look older than everybody on this couch from this.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Whether we all don't want to take the role model stance,
but we are so you know, God's prior to us.
You know, they they they fucked up with drugs and
all type ship like.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
That, and it was really hard.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
We we We've always loved them for the integrity of
the music and what they played for the game.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
But these young kids, they looking at us.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
There's a young kid right now popping twenty five or something,
who's probably looking at the ship like, Yo, my OG's
look good, bro. That means I could look right. I
could be right in the future. I could do right.
And that's that's a moral obligation that we don't accept,
but we really do. Except yeah, you know, and and
(25:33):
I could see that as you do, Yo, were pushing
forward the right way.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
So the young brothers and sisters see us.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
And and uh and know they could get to the
promised land.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I got a five year old two man, so I
gotta be.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Get loose from you in the park. Yeah, you can't read,
you can get out of there. Yeah, man, how you
feeling about that album? Was the I see You? At
an event had the player for the DJs playing a
couple of sessions.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
They go with the reception, Like Chrisher said, Man, the
faith is in the music.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
You know.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
What I'm saying is what we believe. And once we
deliver exactly what it is we want to do, when
it sounds the way exactly the way we want it
to sound, you know, we don't think about nothing else.
We delivered our part and release it and just you know,
see the acceptance however it comes.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
It's gonna be the big.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
The biggest part of a fan, like with me, the
biggest part of a fan is like, Yo, what the
clips are thinking in twenty twenty five? Like what they
talking about twenty twenty five? You know something? Well, I
don't know if you know something you get criticized for
is talking that heavy weight? Yeah twenty twenty five? Right, Yeah,
(26:56):
I got guys to be like your man be talking.
I'd be like, yo, let me, let me, let me
chime in on that.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
The beautiful thing of coming from where we come from
and talking the talk we talk is the challenge is
how can he say? What do you want to say now?
After having success, having money, be you know, getting married,
at being a family man, still active, still doing his
thing and when you're nice. That's the only challenge. Everybody
(27:25):
that keeps saying he's saying the same thing, even fucking
listening right then he just needs something to say because
they got to keyboard bendes.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Not only that, what is everybody else saying? What is
everybody else saying? I agree with you one million percent?
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I just came off a vacation saying your pay I
told I was writing on the plane and it just
immediately speaks violence.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I just don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I'm in the nicest place, cobbege shit is beautiful, and
I'm like when I blow the head off, I'm just
it's like, I don't know what people understand.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Maybe it's my therapy. Maybe that's what I do. Know,
you know what, iking it too?
Speaker 4 (28:08):
I liking it to, you know, just having having a
you know, first of all, rap has always come from
a very real place, you know what I'm saying. So
it's like for real rap for real people. Yeah, it
comes from a very real place. So you know, with
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that being said, and you know, being in it, you know,
twenty three years, I feel like at this point, I
liking it to, uh, you know, only like you know
somebody who loves mob movies or a person you know
what I'm saying, person that that's what.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
They choose to like. You know, I don't. I don't
watch I don't watch horror. I watch A and E.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
You know it's it's it's scarier, I believe it, you
know what I'm saying. So it's like I liking I
liking my music to that as well. I don't know, man,
you listen, you can't please everybody. But but listen, twenty
three years in this I'm not trying to please nobody.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
But myself. That's what I that's what I care about.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Like, you know, I know that my taste, my ear
and what it is that I want to hear that
resonates with a certain type of person. That's the type
of person I want to talk to. That's the person
I like person. You know what I'm saying that, I
know the person who says that, who said who says like,
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oh you know he talked that heavy, this and that? Like, man,
I'm sure I don't even jail with you anyway. I
know that I don't like, I'm flazive, I don't like,
we don't like you.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
But you're not even my type of dude, you not, man.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
So I just you know, you know, I take it
with a grain of salt. But you know, more importantly,
I know I know who my fan. I don't even
call them fans, I call him family. I know who
my family is, Like, I know who.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I'm talking to.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
I recorded this album, Louis Yeah, yeah, just actually yeah,
like no, no, it's no booth.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Just sitting there.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Louis Vauton that recorded it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, both. This
guy's got yeah, stop we shooting two episodes.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I pulled out a little boat taking because it's rainyse
yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
But then I got the Louis off.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I said, I better not wear this Loui because they
might come with the ship and fucking lime queen.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Everything these guys to man, I said, what's this ship?
I haven't seen you in the wild for real. I'm
looking for some love.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
No, really, we get old man, you love me, I know.
I definitely thought he said you're looking at Jacob.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I really thought he because he would for he was
with him. Has not sent me a cursant?
Speaker 1 (31:23):
What's something? What's song?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
From Louis Bautary and man I love Forelly. I'll tell
you something without telling you, I'll tell you it morse cold.
Somebody was playing with me, and somebody was playing somebody
was playing with me, and the only person I could
think of was for well right, not him playing with me.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
But I asked him.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I said, Yo, I'm having a situation, not nothing too crazy.
I get a phone call one day, like two in
the morning for well, such and such hangs up the phone.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
I said, damn, he keeps it a hundred.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
He keeps a ten thousand percent. You know, we got
to the sauce. We worked everything out. But I mean,
like the man will he Hey, y'all, Pharrell a real one.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Let me tell you something. He'll make the call.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
You won't.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
You won't believe it. Two in the morning, call y'all.
I'm like, Okay, now I want to know what we're
dealing with. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
You gotta know, you know, you gotta know. The hit
in the hand is certain situation. Your Pharrell stopped. Man,
Come on, hit me give me a headband and something
from fucking Vaturn or something, y'all.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Not because he's showing us. I'm just waiting to catch
up with him.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I already know. I ain't stressed as when you know
I see him, he going he's gonna show, so he's
gonna shot rest of his the ice pick man man
of course, man man out to the whole family, old
school family, feeling rain and everybody that I was introduced to.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Oh, we got that song. Let's not even play no further.
Let's get into this. You came with results. He walked
right in with a results. Put it up though, Yeah,
come on, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yo, let me tell you something, man, you guys man, Oh,
it's a certain quality in your music. You know it's
It's just it's a certain quality because you never missed that,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (33:50):
For real?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Obviously that's two for two. He's going crazy on this
album right here, you know what I'm saying. But I
also hear like when you work with Kanye, when you
work with it's always a certain quality to the music,
like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Like them in phar Real, it's got something that he
can't buy. It's just something there. They got some. Yeah,
it's a different kind of camaraderie and chemistry and definitely synergy.
All that shit is just different when they connected.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Is this you get the Kenchrick Lamar Right, that's something
that didn't sound like a beef record to me.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
It sounded like ship.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
So you just feel like you just say, he said
the politics of it, they ain't even they probably didn't
even listen to it, just hearing the idea of the
politics and thens of it all.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
View my thing is right when you when you get
into like highly publicized battles and ship, everybody think the
next twenty records you're rapping about somebody.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Thinking about that exactly right, because I mean, is that
the case? Because I think so.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
I think so, I think that I think that happens
a lot, you know, I mean, you know, I listen, man,
Like I said, we've been in this so long that
like a surface level listener is just not my type
of person.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
That's a fact, Like surface level listeners ain't for me. Like, man,
we not.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
We may take that somebody and use it as a
clip for my new album. Yeah, don't listen to our ship.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yeah, listen to the other ship. It's fine. It didn't
make it for you. No, I love that man. That
song right there was crazy too, thank you. Man.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Kendrick going crazy on that Black and Now was going crazy.
Like you know what I'm saying, I've seen it again.
I see his verse about to come on, I see
the ears open everybody like, y'all what.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
You got to say?
Speaker 2 (35:55):
But that that's the fun of it, you know what
I'm saying, That's that's the fun of it. I feel
like we missed you guys.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Man.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
We're just so happy you guys are back.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
All right, So you say somebody like you were just uh,
you know, we look at you as greatness and your brother, No,
we do appreciate it clear right, Like I be thinking
like I had an argument with somebody we sold my
top female rappers. Who was it you, Chris? Somebody told me, Yo,
(36:31):
Laurence Hill, don't rap? She's I said, Lauryn Hill don't rap?
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Right?
Speaker 2 (36:35):
But no, no, I'm just saying, hold up right, Okay,
I think she's the greatest female rapper, right, But my
thing is she walked away.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
From the game, right And then be like, Yo, whre's Lauren? Like? What?
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Like?
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I feel like I got cheated out of a fan.
I could have caught some more albums, right, Like?
Speaker 3 (36:57):
What is that like?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
When you just and as aper? How do you pay
the bills if you just walk away?
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Yo?
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Let me tell you man, when I walked away, that
was for me. That was for me, That was for
my soul, that was for my peace of mind. That
was just for my integrity. You know what I'm saying.
If I didn't walk away, ain't no telling what I
would be doing, how I would be or whatever.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
So it was, you know, just taking inventory of my life.
I'm much better for it.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
I wouldn't trade it for anything, you know what I'm
saying me being back here now is it's a passion,
you know it is. It's a luxury. And the fact
that I get to be with my brother, I'm just
cool with all of that. And you got to understand.
It's like rap ain't never been the reason I eat steak. Ever,
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you know what I'm saying. So you know, I appreciate it.
I'm very grateful for this opportunity. Glad to be able
to be put back in this position. And my guy
provides man.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
And all the time.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
And when I left, I didn't leave knowing how the
bills was going to get paid. I had no idea,
and he showed himself faithful all the way through. I
don't even know how to wall stood up, but they
did in every car and everything else too, So I
thank them for it.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah, very important. It's funny you say that you felt cheated.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I'll be.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
I'll be going through Twitter and and and when we
dropped a trumpets, one of the one of the biggest
tweets was like they was mad at you.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
They was like, oh, we've been missing out on this
for this law, How damn you?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
No, No, I feel like that artist like him. Lauren
is a couple of artists that I was like, Yo,
I wanted more. We had a lot to do for yourself.
And I'm very very in tune with God too. I know,
I know, I see you always. He always showed himself. Yeah,
he does, you know what I'm saying. Then at moments
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I try to tell my brother. You know, my brother
he just lost his moms and lost his daughter, got
hit and run and he just was like he was
in front of a church by mistake, and the bell
started ringing.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
And he was like, yo, Joe, I see what you're saying,
like she would God that you know, people think they
don't see God, but he come, Yeah, he'll come and
let you know. Yo, I'm here and I got you
for sure.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
And so I overstand what you're saying someplace where where
me and you can relate when I hear to this
thing because we're doing this podcast. Okay, So when your
new job is talking ship, you bound a step and
ship and I step and ship all the time. Kiss
is an innocent boy standing.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
He'd be on the couse like, oh my again, that's good.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
But one of the most comments that I get right
is people saying to say I said, I pray for
first class seats. I didn't say I pray for private.
I say I prayed for first class seats because the
one or two times I went in coach, I sat
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next to the Beverly Hillbillies and little kids was throwing
packs of potato chips, smacking me in the face and
climbing over my shoulder, and I was like, Jesus, please
get me back up there.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
And I prayed all the times for first class seats.
Now I get back.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Last said, yo, we both laying in at the same time. Joe,
you changed, You was broke from the hood. Now you
want to.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Sit first class.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
I get a lot of people, so I would like
to believe that, Yeah, I grew up poor, but my
audience grew up with me. They're not eighteen years old
no more. Maybe they aspire to want better shit in life.
So when I'm up here talking about it used to
be inspirational. You want that, yo, I could get that.
(41:13):
Now it seems like a back like and this hook
what the hook said on the hook right there?
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Uncle said, nigga, you must be sick while you talk
about is just getting rich. Choked my neck and my
bitch beat the system with chains and whips.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Hello, I'm talking about in the in the nutshell r
So once again you ain't wrapping for them guys.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
And that's where I got to put it at. You're
not on the surface.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
They're not on the level of fan because I look
at the ship and I'm I'm dumbfounded.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Some of the ship like, oh man, you think you rich,
You think you living a life you think I'm like, bro,
what do you want me to want to be? Like? Exacly, Yeah,
more to tell you how broke I am and some shit.
I got to heat up the house with the stove
and shit like that.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
I think if I could add Scripture says seek ye
first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all
these things will be added unto you.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
He wants you to have all the desires of your heart.
Just put him first. You're not supposed to be walking
around here dusty and destitute. You know you look at job.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
You know what I'm saying. He was, you know, one
of the richest people in the Bible, like God wants
you to have. The only thing is we put so
much before him. That's when it all goes Hey, ah,
it's got to be him. It's got to be him.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
That's how I feel like.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
I sure spoke at my mother's funeral and I was
just talking about, you know, all the great things and
all the sacrifices I seen my mother do. But at
the same time, I got to praise Him, even when
I'm feeling sad or when I'm feeling happy.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
I got to let them know this was all due
to him.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Man.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
And it's crazy because when you serve God and faithful
and you put Him first. I'm telling y'all. Keep telling y'all,
I think I'm crazy. Everything you ever want it, it
may not come in the time you want it. Anything
you ever asked for, Man, reveal it one.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Day, fag.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
I swear to God just the way it is so,
fag And I tell him you can say it to
you blue in the face here.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
But I tell them all the time. I try sticking
people up, I try selling drugs and try doing this.
I tried doing that once. I tried. Do you ever
heard that story I said about the God.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
So I'm in my couch right, I'm in Miami. I'm
by myself. No, there's a there's there's a good one
that Jada. You ain't got to hide under the hoodie.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
This is there's a.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Godly right right right. You ain't got to hide. I'm
in my couch. I'm all alone. I've been my couch
all alone. Right, so me so visit what you want
(44:05):
me to do? That's what storytelling. All alone, and I'm
thinking about why life ain't going so good for me,
Why I ain't where I want to be, Why you know,
friends ain't really checking up on me.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Why I'm on one of the moments, I'm sitting down
and I live.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Five minutes from my best friend Cali, right, so he's
up the block. So I'm just sitting there and going
through it, and it just.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
It hit me. I see God, we gotta put God first.
God is the answer. If we stick with God is
going to be the truth? Is this and this and
that so hit me? I finally so this stuff I'm
talking now. That was the moment I rushed to Kalin's
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house right now, call it's my little brother. I put
in the game. He got the one hundred million dollar house, he's.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Beyond happy, his own planes, He's living a life five
minutes away, right, So I got you, right, So I
pull up Calent usually got security guys with a k's
in front of this house, no security.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
I walk in.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
He got a staff, fifteen people, nobody working. He usually
have his wife and kids dead.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Nobody's in there. I walk all the way in his house.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
When I walk in, calls into jacuzzi by himself, looking
the other way. So I said, your call it your caled.
He doesn't turn around. I said, I've been speaking to God.
He turns around and jumps up and goes.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
God is the greatest. God is the greatest. God is
the greatest, got his greatest, got us grace Scott, his
Grace Scot.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
He wouldn't stop, got us the great So I said, who,
I said, This guy knew all of all alone, all alone.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
This guy new One never told me. He never said, say, yo, Joe, look,
I know you want to be tough. I know you
want to, but this is it. You know what I'm saying.
That's why when I found out, I started screaming it everybody, Yo,
you can't help it.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
You can't help it.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Killers, hustlers, everybody. That's just the way you want to
be successful.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
You want to come up, be lawyer to God. But
I gotta set that Kalad Because he knew when I have.
All I had to say was your cald He knows
my voice. I've been talking to God. He turned away
on so fast.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
God is the greatest. God is grace. God is the greatest.
God is great guy.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
And I said, yo, man, this guy knew the secret
all That's why I got it. You ain't got to
use the hoodie right now. This is a family show,
Jaden kissing. This a family I'm very rooted in the
high speed myself. When if you do my background history,
I pray for good health though you know what I mean.
(47:05):
I think money and luxury and watches and all that
stuff will come. I pray and be out and in
bed and have.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
The remaining years with my mom and dad, amen kids,
and I think everything else will fall in line. That's right.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
What are some of the things you pray for?
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Oh man?
Speaker 1 (47:27):
I pray for.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
That he draws me closer to him, and that I
seek him diligently. The scripture says he is a reward
of those who seek him diligently. I'm up three in
the morning, like every morning praying, because I get woken
up at that time and I get on my face
and I pray.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
I cover all of my family. I cover all of
my nieces and nephews. You know, I mean this is daily.
My wife sees me get up at this time every morning.
As you know, I'm going. I'm going in the closet,
close the door behind me. This is every morning.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
And I think you can't. I think you can pray
for whatever you want. It's nothing wrong with praying for things,
so that that's fine. I just I like to wake up.
I'm thankful for things like being in my right mind
and having my sanity. I pray for friends and family
that I know that are going through things, people that
are sick or whatever. You know what I'm saying, Yeah,
what you pray for? Man, just my family, honestly, just
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my family. And I's got a whole new outlook with
like I said, with a five year old. I got
a five year old son, so it's man, I just
pray to be here for him the whole time. How
to watch this whole ride.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
With this mean, since we took a little we went
to the pulpit for a minute, let's get back to
the album.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
There's a track on the album that's how you say
way that's urged I want to man?
Speaker 4 (48:58):
Yeah, yeah, our parents passed away four months apart, so
November twenty one, in March twenty two, November twenty one,
my mom March March twenty two, our father and so
(49:19):
Birds Don't Sings featuring John Legend Stevie Wonder on the keys,
and the song is basically my last conversation with my
mom speaking to it and his last conversation with our
dad and tough tough record Man, super tough record to
right to do. Yeah, yeah, I mean gut wrenching the
(49:44):
whole time.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
That I need to hear that and just it had
it actually starts the album.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
Everybody puts that, you know, puts record like that at
the at the bottom of the last joint. Now this
joint actually starts the album, just to set the tone,
to show you the depth and just where we are,
you know, how we're feeling, honestly, before we get into
all the chaos.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
You know, we all know that we got a lot
of friends. But you know, I lost my brother, my father,
that my mother all in like a four month frame,
so you know, and all my friends. You know, not
to say his business in Maya would have been right here.
You know, his mom just got sick last night. I
think I'm hitting the age where my brother Surge, his
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mother just passed away two days ago.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
I'm hitting the age where a lot of my friends
are starting to lose their parents.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
And they could really really use that and relate to that,
because this is the type of thing I've seen people
lose their mind.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Right.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
So my biggest fear in life was always if I
lose my mother, am I going to go crazy?
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Literally schizophre ain he of some ship like? I had
that fear of my whole life.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
And so with friends of mine's lost parents, I would
really check in on them because I'd be like, yo.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
That's the type of ship that you know, it takes
a lot to stop me. It takes a lot. You know,
my mom's died the next day we were shooting Joe
and Jay. It takes a lot.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
So if I know I'm scared that that ship might
stop me, I check on my friends because that's that
is you know, that's it to me. You know, Thank
God God's giving me the strength. And I'm still here
and we're still working and we're still doing what we.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
Got to do.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
And I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm happy. I'm
not depressed.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
You know, I'd rather my parents not suffer than suffer.
You know it might be a cliche, but you know,
if your parents is there suffering, you know what I'm saying,
You rather that I'm not suffering.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
But that's that's beautiful, That that's hard.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Because I wrote the record to my mom's she was
fully alive and I was crying the whole time. Man,
you know what I'm saying, because you think about how
your mom sacrifice for you. But you know, I know
Itah's Father's Day.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
I know, me and you.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
We got some brown socks and some turkey bacon. Fathers
never get nothing for Father's Day. But there's nothing like
a mother, right, I don't know about you.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
I didn't think I could carry a baby for nine months, Like,
carry a baby for nine months, give a baby organs,
Like you know, how hard day have you ever?
Speaker 1 (52:36):
Like I don't think us men have really, you know,
I see some of my friends they running through.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
Nine kids in the road like they got home working
like and I'm just like, this shit is crazy out here.
Like you cannot compare a mother to a father, just
my opinion. And I have a great father. Recipes I
had a great father, right, he was with us of
abandoned us. My mom's caught cancer. He never left my
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mom's He's he raised my son, Joey. You know, I
got too much to be grateful for. But you know
the Mom Dukes is.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
It so I get it for sure, for sure, I'm
with you.
Speaker 4 (53:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
The train is coming, baby, the train is coming now.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
Yeah. Make sure y'all download stream however you get the
album and your albums, let God sort them out. This
is real music. Arguably the album of the year. And
I only heard two sons, you know what I mean.
He's my brother's right here. They stand for what I
stand for. We represent the same thing, and we appreciate them.
(53:45):
On the Joe and Jad Show, make some noise for.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
The clips place for having it roy t babs having
Royalty on the top.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
And let me tell you something, y'all our first rap guests,
he man that something voluty.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
Disrected nobody else.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
But they keep coming something I'm not gonna say. They
keep coming, like y'all, such and such want to be
on the show. Such and such want to be on
the show. Such and such want to.
Speaker 3 (54:21):
Be You have to have something, and they're not He's like,
if they're not, everybody listen the shows. I only want
dudes like y'all in our presents. Man, that's what's up.
Thank you, thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
Yeah, you earned and you earned that right to have
that opinion.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
Appreciate that's it. Yeah man.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
We love you guys.
Speaker 4 (54:44):
Yeah man, love y'all. Love y'all straight up, and we
love watching it. We love seeing y'all.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
That's just the truth. And y'all the first on the
Joe Exclusive Let's Get It
Speaker 2 (54:59):
Volume
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And you get the kencher lamar. Right, that's something that
didn't sound like a beef w reckord to me. It
sounded like.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Ship.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
So you just feel like you just said he said
the politics of it. They ain't even They probably didn't
even listen to it, just hearing the idea of the
politics and thens of it all.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yo, this is Joe, Crack your boy, Jenda. This is
the Joe and Jenda Show.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
It's heavy cocaine talk today. We got the clips in
the building. This is this is Titanic, Glaciers of ice.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Cocaine talk up in this joint. One thing I didn't
dare do is hold on talk today.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome my brothers to the Joe and
Jayden Shower.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Make some noise for the clips. My brother, my brother Malae.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
So what's up, Jos, He's in the ground running in
that Lady, Jenn, No.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I'm just hype.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
When it comes to these guys, I get hyped, you
know what I'm saying. They're like superheroes.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Respectfully.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
You know yesterday, man, you got to sample just one song. Yeah,
that was insane. Appreciated about that ship all the way outside.
She was crazy year has it been since y'all put
out a project together?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Fifteen ten years? Fifteen years?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Wow, still sounded like that. It's crazy. For the they
got a bunch of generic shit over here on the iPad.
We're going to turn that over and not even use that.
But well, just for the for namesake, how the hell,
how'd y'all link up with? For real? For the people
that don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
We had a mutual friend, like one of my best friends, Cam.
He would always tell me about this dude that make
crazy beats or whatever. And Cam would tell for real
about you know, me rapping or whatever. So one day
we was like at the ocean front and we were
just out there free styling or whatever, and uh, you know,
came up to me. He was like, yo, Caam told
(02:06):
me about you. I was like, yeah, he told me
about you too. Engine From there we just LinkedIn. Was
tight of a sense. That's let's talk v A right,
linked up with him in v A.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, v A.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Teddy Raley was out there, yes, right, So he had
Davante swinging all them out there and see the Timberland Pharrell.
I had Mike Vic of course. AI of course, you know,
I beat up with Ai. He never claims that one.
No no you no, no, no, I heard about I didn't.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
I didn't hear about it. You didn't hear about this,
You never heard about the Only thing is you got
the best stories. That's what we've been, the best stories. No,
you never even heard about bad news v A. Of
course when we fought the whole club, it was AI's
birth was news, yes, bropt news. They get No. Now
(03:03):
you not understanding what I'm trying to say. We over
there for AI's birthday. So he's in the hotel gambling
all day, right then we go. We got the convertible
is Ai. He's the biggest thing out there. So we
go to his birthday party and so we pull up
with his crew and this ship is ran pat everybody's hype.
(03:26):
Next thing, I know, one of AI's man's get into
some shit with somebody.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Next thing, I know, the whole club started throwing glasses
at us, like like fucking vodkas and sodass shit, and
we ducking and there's so many glasses that every time
I get up, there's no way to miss.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Like they was sitting. I always tell Ai that story.
He don't recall the story I'm like, remember you got
us fucked up in bad.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
News v E because they his man jumped off and
it was fighting the whole club. So v A right
special place lyrically, I think y'all put it on your back.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
How did y'all move?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Because we gotta say they from the Bronx originally, So
how do we were born?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
But we were born in the Bronx. They were born.
We were born in the Bronx.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Know.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Till in town. You know, as soon as we claim
the Bronx, you know they're gonna kill us.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
They're gonna shoot us.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Please, I was I left a two. He left at five. No,
I left seven. You left at four, Oh man, but
you in the b X still with heavy beef famous
still wouldn't be beef patty right. But let's say you
(04:48):
go to v A. Right, And so that was a
very magical place at that time. Was when he's hits coming, Missy. Yeah,
this ship was dumb out there. You know what people
don't know is, you know, musically, people don't know how
close in proximity we all were, like, you know, Malice.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Went to school with Timbland.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
You know, we used to we used to we used
to ride our bike to Timblin's house. This is middle school,
the junior high school, junior high school, and high school.
Uh Threll ended up moving, you know, next to my
my my elementary school. Like all of this music that
y'all are hearing all of these people is like in
(05:35):
a less than a mile from my house is less
than a mile.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I'm overstanding. I just want the people to just people
know it was greatness. Yeah, on every level, from R
and B to hip hop to everything that was that
was legendary. You guys. So you guys are definitely the
cheat code. I'm not trying to say you guys don't
deserve everything you got, but you guys are the cheeto.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
You got Pharrell doing every beat on this Like.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
We can't afford that, Like we can't afford Pharrell to
do every beat on their album.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Like it's not even about being able to afford p
it's about being able to get next to him and
get his time and get but they his brothers. So
that's the It's definitely definite.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
What it's like having Pharrell one of the geniuses of
this He's a genius, absolutely not even just beats.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Everything's a great lesson.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
It's gonna be studied one hundred years from that. But
got your.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Guy, Yeah, you know, dealing with Pharrell man, I think
that collectively we we got like a synergy that like
takes us back to our fan of hip hop moment,
you know what I'm saying. So, like music, there's only
certain things that we want. There's only certain things that
(07:04):
were gonna resonate with. There's only certain We don't chase sounds.
We chase the feeling. We chase, we chase time.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
You know what I'm saying. We chase we chase locks,
free styles. You know what I'm saying. And what that
meant like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
What that meant to us at that particular time, Like
this is like you know, we just chasing that energy.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
We chasing that energy.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
So when we get together, that's what that's what the
that's what that's what the studio session is like. It's
not about like you know this sound or trying to
you know, compete with what's going on. It's like, nah,
if it don't make us feel like you know this,
then we're just not doing it. And it's it's it's
(07:48):
tough because you know, Pharrell's a future thinker. He's a
future thinker. He's a future futuristic type of person. So
if you say something that that harkens back too much
to the style, it ruins the whole session. He don't,
you know what I'm saying, he doesn't, he's nutlike that
type of certain buzzwords. It kind of ruins it. So
(08:11):
it's like, you know, you you you, you work around it.
But the one thing that we all have in common
is that we really remember the time where like hip hop.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Was stabbing us, like just stabbing us.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Every you know what I'm saying, like, we just remember
that time and that just blew your mind when pause
or whatever they want to say, but when when I'm
just saying now, it's like calls forward, like you know,
But the thing is, who's some of the artists that.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Blew your mind coming up? When you heard him, you
just knew you felt like the world changed.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Prodigy ruined my life the peak Prodigy.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Prodigy ruined my whole life.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I think I would have to blame Prodigy for like, yeah, man,
it was you know, Prodigy was it for me?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Man?
Speaker 4 (09:10):
I Like, you know, I remember being in school and
like arguing, like, you know what was better, mob of
boot camping. I'm a mob to the death. But I
just thought that Prodigy was it was something very poetic
about what he did.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, for me, it was definitely.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
I took it back to the Juice Crew, Uh Rock,
Big Daddy Kane, just the real lyricists, you know, the
ones that gave you that feeling, the ones that you
look forward to coming out, you know when they were dropping,
and uh, that's why patted my my whole rap style after.
You know, It's about being a lyricists, about having something
(09:49):
to say, making some kind of sense and in the
style and all of that.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
So, yeah, I caught goosebumps. Yeah, caught goosebumps.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
First music is Push. Push has been consistent with dropping
music and going on tour and you know what I mean,
just being relevant in the culture, in fashion and lifestyle.
Some of the meanest jury. We know you went on
a hiatus for a while, you you know, just did
(10:18):
your feel anything. Wasn't doing no music right now? You
know after fifteen years, Oh what have you let God
sort them out? What's sparked it? What's spark it?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
I cannot discount During my hiatus. I did two solo
projects myself, Hear Ye Him and Let the Dead Bury
the Dead.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
So I was always still active.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Yeah, still still sharpening my skills. I think when we
went out to Wyoming, you know, with Yay, you know,
and we did we worked on the Jesus's King album
and we did use this gospel and that that kind
of like pushed my brother and myself into like making
(11:02):
music again and putting us in that atmosphere. And then
we also performed you know at what was it Sunday
Service whatever service? Yeah, so album yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely
the Nego album. Uh, these were the things that I
was like using to be able to approach him about us,
(11:23):
you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, we we
had I pray for you.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
It was just certain songs, I mean, certain projects that
it was like, man, you know it made sense to
me at the time.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, yeah, because I had asked before and it's like
now you went heavy Church, heavy Jesus. Yeah, I'm heavy
Jesus too. How How was it doing the album?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Now?
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Is the clips talking? That street is perfect? It's perfect,
It's the right time, It's perfect.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I'm gonna tell me you like, you know, like we
were talking amongst each other about slick with stick with
every ending had like a positive ending every song. So
how you come at heavy church coming in? Because this
definitely got heavy Jesus heavy Jesus.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
What is what? Right? No? No, no, any church?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
How do you able to make a gangster rap album?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
You know, coming from like the church? I don't.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I don't think I wouldn't call it gangster rap, but
but uh, you know, I think I think when people
look at the clips, apart from the creativity, I think
what you should see is businessmen, family men. I think
you should see uh some level of uh integrity and
(12:45):
being about your business. You know, over the years, the
way my brother has navigated this thing solo like, it
invigorates me. Man, you know what I'm saying. It inspires me.
And it's not too much rap wise that inspires me
except for the locks, you know what I'm saying. But yeah,
(13:05):
absolutely absolutely, you know, so just his enthusiasm about the
game keeps me, uh you know in that headspace.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
That's dope because yesterday, play us one song and we
know what push gonna do. But when you're about the rap,
I see everybody's ear open, everybody's room, just you know,
when you got the fucking German Shephard, don't everybody's ear
opened in.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
The room and was like what malice coming with back?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Now?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
For the one joint they played yesterday, you know, you
know these are my brothers. They both absolutely both go crazy.
But this song, the beat was insane. They switched up
the flow. They both they had the brother they flow with.
They was doing the same flow. But the ship they
were saying was Gregg.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
I want to speak to that man, like I think
that's where, you know, the production and being produced as
an artist comes into play, and that's how you know,
that's how I feel like, that's how we evolve in
this joint too. You know I personally, you know, I
want to I just want to rap, you know what
(14:27):
I'm saying, I just want to wrap. You mentioned the
flow and the patterns and the stencils stupid was insane too.
The thing about it, The thing about that is that,
like you know, that was one of the boxes that
we had to check off, like it had to be
sticky and when you know, when pe be like yo,
it gotta be sticky though, like I just don't you know.
(14:49):
He says things like, man, I don't want mixtape versus no,
I want, like, you know, something crafted. And once you know,
once you go through that that uh, that process of
finding what that melody is or finding what that stencil is,
then you inject the steroids in.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
That, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
That's how that's the only way to be satisfied. For me,
to be satisfied doing something in a stencil, you got
to be saying something bar for bar, you know what
I'm saying. That's the only time it comes together like
a like a like a crossword puzzle for me.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I can't make sure. Make sure y'all don't just and
this is not I only heard one song, but this
is not one of them albums. This is not to
be skimmed through. This is not to be played with.
Make sure you got the right outfit.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
On, make sure right mind state and absorb it and
listen to it repetitively so you can, you know what
I mean, get in the space you need to be.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I think we also well as far as me, But
like I said about me, I always get I'm always
proud of you. You know what I'm saying, because you know,
y'all represent that real hip hop that called.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
That street than you. You know, and when I see
you walking on runways and fucking.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Friends, you know, I'm proud of you so all for
one of us. Fore we understand. But when we see
you guys walking through that ship, were like, Yo, they
let the guys in you, you know what I mean? Like
(16:42):
what that felt feel like to you when you when
you out in France about to get ready to walk
the runway.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Then you dropped the record right the record? We see
Jay going crazy on.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
The Jay was going crazy on the side, like like what.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
The I feel like?
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Man, it's these are the boxes we we're trying to
check off. I feel like I feel like our era
is the era that shows that you don't have to
age out and hip hop. You know what I'm saying,
We don't have to got age out, like niggas is
nice right now, fat And it's like you know what
I'm saying, like we and we actually all live it,
(17:23):
you know what I'm saying, Like we live it, Like
hip hop ain't just raps to us, it's raps, it's
being flies.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Like I'm still taking cold from Caine. You know what
I'm saying. I'm still taking cold from that era, you
know what I'm saying. So it's like that's what it
is to us.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
So it's like, you know, when you get the opportunity
to walk a runway or or get that endorsement deal.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
For me, I'm like, man, I remember when this ship
won't even supposed to be here.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
I'm and my dad telling me, rap on't gon'na be here,
like I remember it, like, man, that it ain't gonna
be nothing.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
Noise, yeah, all the noise. You know, It's like it
was worse for me. I had a Cuban fall. He
understand you at all on the table that he definitely
looking at it now. He was telling me the plain truth.
He was like, you're not going to make it.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
If you seen any Spanish guys make it in this ship,
you're done. And you know I'm from the you know,
I'm from the saw you the Bronx and my father
actually saw Hip Hop born. He was like, there's no
other Spanish people doing this, Bobbie, like you have no chance,
and I'm I'm under the kitchen whiting on the table.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
But then they become my biggest fans. Oh what you know,
I'll never forget.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Man.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
My dad recited bigs Flavor in your ear verse to
me and I was like flavor yr remix and I couldn't.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I was.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
I was floored, floored. I'm like, how white? Wait, when
did you even come into this?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Like you know?
Speaker 4 (18:58):
And I was like, man, like this, I mean that
was That was a time and a point where I
was like, oh no, this damn it. He even hits you,
he even got you reciting. I was like, man, I
you know, I knew Big was I knew Big was
big Man.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, I heard a lot of Biggie smalls. Yes your flow,
Yes in your Cadence bots. Yes for years. Yes, he
was special.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
You know that's funny because Dre from Cooling Dre shot
out my brothers.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
He said he was a big like R.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
And b Jo Toasy and all like he always tell
me the story his father's Jamaica came in with the
flow Joe final. You need to be listening there, Yes,
fuck that smooth ship.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
You need to listen in the fat Joe flow, Joe,
Dre tell me that all the time.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
How long did you got to make this out? Two years?
Speaker 1 (19:51):
You know, but to speak to what you were just saying,
do you know what clips come from the name?
Speaker 3 (19:55):
That was my next question.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
I ain't you got I don't want to Actually it
was it was actually fully clips, fully clips, but we
knew you had the full Eclipsed crew.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah, so shop.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, we shopped it. We had shop it down.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Word you know, crazy Yeah clips detail of the business.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
But right before you I was about to release the album,
something happened with Dev Jim and y'all got about it. Yeah,
how serious it is to be able to do what
you want to do and ownership and the bullshit and
the politics and the business that have to being in
something so long you still have to go.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Through the politics, the politics and the business never stops.
I think that's the rule. I think that's the biggest
takeaway from us. You know what I'm saying. We ain't
been out in.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Fifteen years and it's still the same thing. Yeah. Still
for anybody with some type of business.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Mind. You you can love you can love rap like
we love it, be passionate about it, but it's something
with the business side that always discouraged, discourage you just
want to do other things. Sometimes.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Basically we had the album, had the album, put the
album together, so on and so forth, and you know,
they got we turned it in and we turned it
in with the Kendrick Verse, and they didn't want to
put it out.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
They didn't want to put it out.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Basically, they didn't what I feel like, they didn't like
the optics while they were going through their lawsuit of
you know, the Clips Kendrick together on a song, you know,
coming out under UMG with the lawsuit they got going on,
so on and so forth.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
So ended up having.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
A basically y'all got caught in the two eleven triple
cross that nothing basically, yeah, because of that, you know,
it wasn't even on that.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Type of all the time. It happens to finish.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
So you know, just you know, so so, and we
ended up having a buy al way out of the situation.
It gets a little tricky because we had one album
deal the Clips did, and then you know I was
signed there as well, so you can just you know,
the Clips couldn't just leave without me, you know what
I'm saying, And so we had to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
And here we arenation it was in the position to
buy yourself shut out the.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Whole man yeah, definitely shout out the whole man.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Rock nation, rocknation for sure. Yeah, man, you know just whatever, man,
you know we roll with the punches, bro like what
it is we do.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Yeah, always got the faith in the music, man, The
faith is always in the music. Like we always know
that ship gonna be right. So that's you know what
I'm saying, that's what we believe in.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Right definitely. Uh, you got a tour coming up. I
think I've seen a.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Third tenth twenty five dates of just back to back. Man,
they sent me a tool bus the other day. I'm like, whoa,
Like what last time?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
You ship?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
So good life where you don't need the bus Like man, yo, yo,
we used to live on the bus.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Now it's like a bus the but they send me
the buty's to us. You gotta sweet, you gotta sweet
and ride with all these people.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I'm like, you know, I want to be around all
these people. Yeah, I turned down tours. Man, my knees
ain't the sent my ankle, I'm like what two months?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Keep like like you know, I don't think I could
do it. Like I'm a fill with you, you know
I do.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I work on the week right now, I'm gone like
I go every weekend, but to do the tour thing
every day, bringing the noise every day every city, I
haven't done that in a long time. Be I don't
know if I want that opportunity.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I'm keeping it real and.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
For us, you know, I guess with us just being
away for so long, it's like it's it's the highlight
to get back in front of the in front of
the fans, you know what I'm saying. So we'll sacrifice
that waiting for you to you know, now, I love it.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, supposed the ways I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
So listen, I go see kids every time he pull
up one finger. Bro, you're not built up.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
In this time. And there is a lot of young
dudes that look older than everybody on this couch from this.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Whether we all don't want to take the role model stance,
but we are so you know, God's prior to us.
You know, they they they fucked up with drugs and
all type ship like.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
That, and it was really hard.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
We we We've always loved them for the integrity of
the music and what they played for the game.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
But these young kids, they looking at us.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
There's a young kid right now popping twenty five or something,
who's probably looking at the ship like, Yo, my OG's
look good, bro. That means I could look right. I
could be right in the future. I could do right.
And that's that's a moral obligation that we don't accept,
but we really do. Except yeah, you know, and and
(25:33):
I could see that as you do, Yo, were pushing
forward the right way.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
So the young brothers and sisters see us.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
And and uh and know they could get to the
promised land.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I got a five year old two man, so I
gotta be.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Get loose from you in the park. Yeah, you can't read,
you can get out of there. Yeah, man, how you
feeling about that album? Was the I see You? At
an event had the player for the DJs playing a
couple of sessions.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
They go with the reception, Like Chrisher said, Man, the
faith is in the music.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
You know.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
What I'm saying is what we believe. And once we
deliver exactly what it is we want to do, when
it sounds the way exactly the way we want it
to sound, you know, we don't think about nothing else.
We delivered our part and release it and just you know,
see the acceptance however it comes.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
It's gonna be the big.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
The biggest part of a fan, like with me, the
biggest part of a fan is like, Yo, what the
clips are thinking in twenty twenty five? Like what they
talking about twenty twenty five? You know something? Well, I
don't know if you know something you get criticized for
is talking that heavy weight? Yeah twenty twenty five? Right, Yeah,
(26:56):
I got guys to be like your man be talking.
I'd be like, yo, let me, let me, let me
chime in on that.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
The beautiful thing of coming from where we come from
and talking the talk we talk is the challenge is
how can he say? What do you want to say now?
After having success, having money, be you know, getting married,
at being a family man, still active, still doing his
thing and when you're nice. That's the only challenge. Everybody
(27:25):
that keeps saying he's saying the same thing, even fucking
listening right then he just needs something to say because
they got to keyboard bendes.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Not only that, what is everybody else saying? What is
everybody else saying? I agree with you one million percent?
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I just came off a vacation saying your pay I
told I was writing on the plane and it just
immediately speaks violence.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I just don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I'm in the nicest place, cobbege shit is beautiful, and
I'm like when I blow the head off, I'm just
it's like, I don't know what people understand.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Maybe it's my therapy. Maybe that's what I do. Know,
you know what, iking it too?
Speaker 4 (28:08):
I liking it to, you know, just having having a
you know, first of all, rap has always come from
a very real place, you know what I'm saying. So
it's like for real rap for real people. Yeah, it
comes from a very real place. So you know, with
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that being said, and you know, being in it, you know,
twenty three years, I feel like at this point, I
liking it to, uh, you know, only like you know
somebody who loves mob movies or a person you know
what I'm saying, person that that's what.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
They choose to like. You know, I don't. I don't
watch I don't watch horror. I watch A and E.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
You know it's it's it's scarier, I believe it, you
know what I'm saying. So it's like I liking I
liking my music to that as well. I don't know, man,
you listen, you can't please everybody. But but listen, twenty
three years in this I'm not trying to please nobody.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
But myself. That's what I that's what I care about.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Like, you know, I know that my taste, my ear
and what it is that I want to hear that
resonates with a certain type of person. That's the type
of person I want to talk to. That's the person
I like person. You know what I'm saying that, I
know the person who says that, who said who says like,
(29:34):
oh you know he talked that heavy, this and that? Like, man,
I'm sure I don't even jail with you anyway. I
know that I don't like, I'm flazive, I don't like,
we don't like you.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
But you're not even my type of dude, you not, man.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
So I just you know, you know, I take it
with a grain of salt. But you know, more importantly,
I know I know who my fan. I don't even
call them fans, I call him family. I know who
my family is, Like, I know who.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I'm talking to.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
I recorded this album, Louis Yeah, yeah, just actually yeah,
like no, no, it's no booth.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Just sitting there.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Louis Vauton that recorded it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, both. This
guy's got yeah, stop we shooting two episodes.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I pulled out a little boat taking because it's rainyse
yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
But then I got the Louis off.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I said, I better not wear this Loui because they
might come with the ship and fucking lime queen.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Everything these guys to man, I said, what's this ship?
I haven't seen you in the wild for real. I'm
looking for some love.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
No, really, we get old man, you love me, I know.
I definitely thought he said you're looking at Jacob.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I really thought he because he would for he was
with him. Has not sent me a cursant?
Speaker 1 (31:23):
What's something? What's song?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
From Louis Bautary and man I love Forelly. I'll tell
you something without telling you, I'll tell you it morse cold.
Somebody was playing with me, and somebody was playing somebody
was playing with me, and the only person I could
think of was for well right, not him playing with me.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
But I asked him.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I said, Yo, I'm having a situation, not nothing too crazy.
I get a phone call one day, like two in
the morning for well, such and such hangs up the phone.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
I said, damn, he keeps it a hundred.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
He keeps a ten thousand percent. You know, we got
to the sauce. We worked everything out. But I mean,
like the man will he Hey, y'all, Pharrell a real one.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Let me tell you something. He'll make the call.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
You won't.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
You won't believe it. Two in the morning, call y'all.
I'm like, Okay, now I want to know what we're
dealing with. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
You gotta know, you know, you gotta know. The hit
in the hand is certain situation. Your Pharrell stopped. Man,
Come on, hit me give me a headband and something
from fucking Vaturn or something, y'all.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Not because he's showing us. I'm just waiting to catch
up with him.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I already know. I ain't stressed as when you know
I see him, he going he's gonna show, so he's
gonna shot rest of his the ice pick man man
of course, man man out to the whole family, old
school family, feeling rain and everybody that I was introduced to.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Oh, we got that song. Let's not even play no further.
Let's get into this. You came with results. He walked
right in with a results. Put it up though, Yeah,
come on, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yo, let me tell you something, man, you guys man, Oh,
it's a certain quality in your music. You know it's
It's just it's a certain quality because you never missed that,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (33:50):
For real?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Obviously that's two for two. He's going crazy on this
album right here, you know what I'm saying. But I
also hear like when you work with Kanye, when you
work with it's always a certain quality to the music,
like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Like them in phar Real, it's got something that he
can't buy. It's just something there. They got some. Yeah,
it's a different kind of camaraderie and chemistry and definitely synergy.
All that shit is just different when they connected.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Is this you get the Kenchrick Lamar Right, that's something
that didn't sound like a beef record to me.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
It sounded like ship.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
So you just feel like you just say, he said
the politics of it, they ain't even they probably didn't
even listen to it, just hearing the idea of the
politics and thens of it all.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
View my thing is right when you when you get
into like highly publicized battles and ship, everybody think the
next twenty records you're rapping about somebody.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Thinking about that exactly right, because I mean, is that
the case? Because I think so.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
I think so, I think that I think that happens
a lot, you know, I mean, you know, I listen, man,
Like I said, we've been in this so long that
like a surface level listener is just not my type
of person.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
That's a fact, Like surface level listeners ain't for me. Like, man,
we not.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
We may take that somebody and use it as a
clip for my new album. Yeah, don't listen to our ship.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yeah, listen to the other ship. It's fine. It didn't
make it for you. No, I love that man. That
song right there was crazy too, thank you. Man.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Kendrick going crazy on that Black and Now was going crazy.
Like you know what I'm saying, I've seen it again.
I see his verse about to come on, I see
the ears open everybody like, y'all what.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
You got to say?
Speaker 2 (35:55):
But that that's the fun of it, you know what
I'm saying, That's that's the fun of it. I feel
like we missed you guys.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Man.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
We're just so happy you guys are back.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
All right, So you say somebody like you were just uh,
you know, we look at you as greatness and your brother, No,
we do appreciate it clear right, Like I be thinking
like I had an argument with somebody we sold my
top female rappers. Who was it you, Chris? Somebody told me, Yo,
(36:31):
Laurence Hill, don't rap? She's I said, Lauryn Hill don't rap?
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Right?
Speaker 2 (36:35):
But no, no, I'm just saying, hold up right, Okay,
I think she's the greatest female rapper, right, But my
thing is she walked away.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
From the game, right And then be like, Yo, whre's Lauren? Like? What?
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Like?
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I feel like I got cheated out of a fan.
I could have caught some more albums, right, Like?
Speaker 3 (36:57):
What is that like?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
When you just and as aper? How do you pay
the bills if you just walk away?
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Yo?
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Let me tell you man, when I walked away, that
was for me. That was for me, That was for
my soul, that was for my peace of mind. That
was just for my integrity. You know what I'm saying.
If I didn't walk away, ain't no telling what I
would be doing, how I would be or whatever.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
So it was, you know, just taking inventory of my life.
I'm much better for it.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
I wouldn't trade it for anything, you know what I'm
saying me being back here now is it's a passion,
you know it is. It's a luxury. And the fact
that I get to be with my brother, I'm just
cool with all of that. And you got to understand.
It's like rap ain't never been the reason I eat steak. Ever,
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you know what I'm saying. So you know, I appreciate it.
I'm very grateful for this opportunity. Glad to be able
to be put back in this position. And my guy
provides man.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
And all the time.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
And when I left, I didn't leave knowing how the
bills was going to get paid. I had no idea,
and he showed himself faithful all the way through. I
don't even know how to wall stood up, but they
did in every car and everything else too, So I
thank them for it.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah, very important. It's funny you say that you felt cheated.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I'll be.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
I'll be going through Twitter and and and when we
dropped a trumpets, one of the one of the biggest
tweets was like they was mad at you.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
They was like, oh, we've been missing out on this
for this law, How damn you?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
No, No, I feel like that artist like him. Lauren
is a couple of artists that I was like, Yo,
I wanted more. We had a lot to do for yourself.
And I'm very very in tune with God too. I know,
I know, I see you always. He always showed himself. Yeah,
he does, you know what I'm saying. Then at moments
(39:01):
I try to tell my brother. You know, my brother
he just lost his moms and lost his daughter, got
hit and run and he just was like he was
in front of a church by mistake, and the bell
started ringing.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
And he was like, yo, Joe, I see what you're saying,
like she would God that you know, people think they
don't see God, but he come, Yeah, he'll come and
let you know. Yo, I'm here and I got you
for sure.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
And so I overstand what you're saying someplace where where
me and you can relate when I hear to this
thing because we're doing this podcast. Okay, So when your
new job is talking ship, you bound a step and
ship and I step and ship all the time. Kiss
is an innocent boy standing.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
He'd be on the couse like, oh my again, that's good.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
But one of the most comments that I get right
is people saying to say I said, I pray for
first class seats. I didn't say I pray for private.
I say I prayed for first class seats because the
one or two times I went in coach, I sat
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next to the Beverly Hillbillies and little kids was throwing
packs of potato chips, smacking me in the face and
climbing over my shoulder, and I was like, Jesus, please
get me back up there.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
And I prayed all the times for first class seats.
Now I get back.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Last said, yo, we both laying in at the same time. Joe,
you changed, You was broke from the hood. Now you
want to.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Sit first class.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
I get a lot of people, so I would like
to believe that, Yeah, I grew up poor, but my
audience grew up with me. They're not eighteen years old
no more. Maybe they aspire to want better shit in life.
So when I'm up here talking about it used to
be inspirational. You want that, yo, I could get that.
(41:13):
Now it seems like a back like and this hook
what the hook said on the hook right there?
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Uncle said, nigga, you must be sick while you talk
about is just getting rich. Choked my neck and my
bitch beat the system with chains and whips.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Hello, I'm talking about in the in the nutshell r
So once again you ain't wrapping for them guys.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
And that's where I got to put it at. You're
not on the surface.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
They're not on the level of fan because I look
at the ship and I'm I'm dumbfounded.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Some of the ship like, oh man, you think you rich,
You think you living a life you think I'm like, bro,
what do you want me to want to be? Like? Exacly, Yeah,
more to tell you how broke I am and some shit.
I got to heat up the house with the stove
and shit like that.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
I think if I could add Scripture says seek ye
first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all
these things will be added unto you.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
He wants you to have all the desires of your heart.
Just put him first. You're not supposed to be walking
around here dusty and destitute. You know you look at job.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
You know what I'm saying. He was, you know, one
of the richest people in the Bible, like God wants
you to have. The only thing is we put so
much before him. That's when it all goes Hey, ah,
it's got to be him. It's got to be him.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
That's how I feel like.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
I sure spoke at my mother's funeral and I was
just talking about, you know, all the great things and
all the sacrifices I seen my mother do. But at
the same time, I got to praise Him, even when
I'm feeling sad or when I'm feeling happy.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
I got to let them know this was all due
to him.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Man.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
And it's crazy because when you serve God and faithful
and you put Him first. I'm telling y'all. Keep telling y'all,
I think I'm crazy. Everything you ever want it, it
may not come in the time you want it. Anything
you ever asked for, Man, reveal it one.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Day, fag.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
I swear to God just the way it is so,
fag And I tell him you can say it to
you blue in the face here.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
But I tell them all the time. I try sticking
people up, I try selling drugs and try doing this.
I tried doing that once. I tried. Do you ever
heard that story I said about the God.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
So I'm in my couch right, I'm in Miami. I'm
by myself. No, there's a there's there's a good one
that Jada. You ain't got to hide under the hoodie.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
This is there's a.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Godly right right right. You ain't got to hide. I'm
in my couch. I'm all alone. I've been my couch
all alone. Right, so me so visit what you want
(44:05):
me to do? That's what storytelling. All alone, and I'm
thinking about why life ain't going so good for me,
Why I ain't where I want to be, Why you know,
friends ain't really checking up on me.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Why I'm on one of the moments, I'm sitting down
and I live.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Five minutes from my best friend Cali, right, so he's
up the block. So I'm just sitting there and going
through it, and it just.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
It hit me. I see God, we gotta put God first.
God is the answer. If we stick with God is
going to be the truth? Is this and this and
that so hit me? I finally so this stuff I'm
talking now. That was the moment I rushed to Kalin's
(45:01):
house right now, call it's my little brother. I put
in the game. He got the one hundred million dollar house, he's.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Beyond happy, his own planes, He's living a life five
minutes away, right, So I got you, right, So I
pull up Calent usually got security guys with a k's
in front of this house, no security.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
I walk in.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
He got a staff, fifteen people, nobody working. He usually
have his wife and kids dead.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Nobody's in there. I walk all the way in his house.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
When I walk in, calls into jacuzzi by himself, looking
the other way. So I said, your call it your caled.
He doesn't turn around. I said, I've been speaking to God.
He turns around and jumps up and goes.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
God is the greatest. God is the greatest. God is
the greatest, got his greatest, got us grace Scott, his
Grace Scot.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
He wouldn't stop, got us the great So I said, who,
I said, This guy knew all of all alone, all alone.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
This guy new One never told me. He never said, say, yo, Joe, look,
I know you want to be tough. I know you
want to, but this is it. You know what I'm saying.
That's why when I found out, I started screaming it everybody, Yo,
you can't help it.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
You can't help it.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Killers, hustlers, everybody. That's just the way you want to
be successful.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
You want to come up, be lawyer to God. But
I gotta set that Kalad Because he knew when I have.
All I had to say was your cald He knows
my voice. I've been talking to God. He turned away
on so fast.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
God is the greatest. God is grace. God is the greatest.
God is great guy.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
And I said, yo, man, this guy knew the secret
all That's why I got it. You ain't got to
use the hoodie right now. This is a family show,
Jaden kissing. This a family I'm very rooted in the
high speed myself. When if you do my background history,
I pray for good health though you know what I mean.
(47:05):
I think money and luxury and watches and all that
stuff will come. I pray and be out and in
bed and have.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
The remaining years with my mom and dad, amen kids,
and I think everything else will fall in line. That's right.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
What are some of the things you pray for?
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Oh man?
Speaker 1 (47:27):
I pray for.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
That he draws me closer to him, and that I
seek him diligently. The scripture says he is a reward
of those who seek him diligently. I'm up three in
the morning, like every morning praying, because I get woken
up at that time and I get on my face
and I pray.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
I cover all of my family. I cover all of
my nieces and nephews. You know, I mean this is daily.
My wife sees me get up at this time every morning.
As you know, I'm going. I'm going in the closet,
close the door behind me. This is every morning.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
And I think you can't. I think you can pray
for whatever you want. It's nothing wrong with praying for things,
so that that's fine. I just I like to wake up.
I'm thankful for things like being in my right mind
and having my sanity. I pray for friends and family
that I know that are going through things, people that
are sick or whatever. You know what I'm saying, Yeah,
what you pray for? Man, just my family, honestly, just
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my family. And I's got a whole new outlook with
like I said, with a five year old. I got
a five year old son, so it's man, I just
pray to be here for him the whole time. How
to watch this whole ride.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
With this mean, since we took a little we went
to the pulpit for a minute, let's get back to
the album.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
There's a track on the album that's how you say
way that's urged I want to man?
Speaker 4 (48:58):
Yeah, yeah, our parents passed away four months apart, so
November twenty one, in March twenty two, November twenty one,
my mom March March twenty two, our father and so
(49:19):
Birds Don't Sings featuring John Legend Stevie Wonder on the keys,
and the song is basically my last conversation with my
mom speaking to it and his last conversation with our
dad and tough tough record Man, super tough record to
right to do. Yeah, yeah, I mean gut wrenching the
(49:44):
whole time.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
That I need to hear that and just it had
it actually starts the album.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
Everybody puts that, you know, puts record like that at
the at the bottom of the last joint. Now this
joint actually starts the album, just to set the tone,
to show you the depth and just where we are,
you know, how we're feeling, honestly, before we get into
all the chaos.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
You know, we all know that we got a lot
of friends. But you know, I lost my brother, my father,
that my mother all in like a four month frame,
so you know, and all my friends. You know, not
to say his business in Maya would have been right here.
You know, his mom just got sick last night. I
think I'm hitting the age where my brother Surge, his
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mother just passed away two days ago.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
I'm hitting the age where a lot of my friends
are starting to lose their parents.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
And they could really really use that and relate to that,
because this is the type of thing I've seen people
lose their mind.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Right.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
So my biggest fear in life was always if I
lose my mother, am I going to go crazy?
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Literally schizophre ain he of some ship like? I had
that fear of my whole life.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
And so with friends of mine's lost parents, I would
really check in on them because I'd be like, yo.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
That's the type of ship that you know, it takes
a lot to stop me. It takes a lot. You know,
my mom's died the next day we were shooting Joe
and Jay. It takes a lot.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
So if I know I'm scared that that ship might
stop me, I check on my friends because that's that
is you know, that's it to me. You know, Thank
God God's giving me the strength. And I'm still here
and we're still working and we're still doing what we.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
Got to do.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
And I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm happy. I'm
not depressed.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
You know, I'd rather my parents not suffer than suffer.
You know it might be a cliche, but you know,
if your parents is there suffering, you know what I'm saying,
You rather that I'm not suffering.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
But that's that's beautiful, That that's hard.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Because I wrote the record to my mom's she was
fully alive and I was crying the whole time. Man,
you know what I'm saying, because you think about how
your mom sacrifice for you. But you know, I know
Itah's Father's Day.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
I know, me and you.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
We got some brown socks and some turkey bacon. Fathers
never get nothing for Father's Day. But there's nothing like
a mother, right, I don't know about you.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
I didn't think I could carry a baby for nine months, Like,
carry a baby for nine months, give a baby organs,
Like you know, how hard day have you ever?
Speaker 1 (52:36):
Like I don't think us men have really, you know,
I see some of my friends they running through.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
Nine kids in the road like they got home working
like and I'm just like, this shit is crazy out here.
Like you cannot compare a mother to a father, just
my opinion. And I have a great father. Recipes I
had a great father, right, he was with us of
abandoned us. My mom's caught cancer. He never left my
(53:03):
mom's He's he raised my son, Joey. You know, I
got too much to be grateful for. But you know
the Mom Dukes is.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
It so I get it for sure, for sure, I'm
with you.
Speaker 4 (53:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
The train is coming, baby, the train is coming now.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
Yeah. Make sure y'all download stream however you get the
album and your albums, let God sort them out. This
is real music. Arguably the album of the year. And
I only heard two sons, you know what I mean.
He's my brother's right here. They stand for what I
stand for. We represent the same thing, and we appreciate them.
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And let me tell you something, y'all our first rap guests,
he man that something voluty.
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Speaker 2 (54:07):
But they keep coming something I'm not gonna say. They
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on the show. Such and such want to be on
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Be You have to have something, and they're not He's like,
if they're not, everybody listen the shows. I only want
dudes like y'all in our presents. Man, that's what's up.
Thank you, thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
Yeah, you earned and you earned that right to have
that opinion.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
Appreciate that's it. Yeah man.
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