September 2, 2025 • 52 mins
Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by Griselda's Conway The Machine. Joe and Jada ask Conway about him, Benny The Butcher, and Westside Gunn making it big out of Buffalo, how Griselda managed to cut through the noise of the hip hop industry with straight bars and beats, the time Jay-Z surprised him on stage in Los Angeles, how he first linked up with rap producing legend Alchemist over Twitter DMs, and his upcoming album 'You Can't Kill God With Bullets.'
5:00 - Origins of Griselda
11:00 - Bars & beats over gimmicks
34:00 - Joe's WILD Colombia story
42:15 - Jay-Z surprising Conway on stage
58:00 - New album with Roc Nation
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This guy. He's very selectful with the artist to sit
on the couch. He got a problem. He turns down
guys this big and your name came up and in
one second he was like, yo, one hundred percent, we
need to This is Joeah Dawn on my Mafia ship.
(00:33):
You know what it is, your boy, Jada, This is
the Joe and Jada Show. Every show is exclusive, every
show is iconic. Today we like to welcome our guests.
My brother one third of Griselda, one hundred percent of
drum work east side of Buffalo's own Conway. The machine
(00:53):
makes some noise. What what up? What up? What up? Man?
What up? Man? My brother was good life man, life
is good man, no doubt appreciate it. I've seen you've
been over the water crushing them crowds doing you know
what I mean, getting them bags, doing what we do.
I was that it was in some places I never
even I thought I've been everywhere. When you're looking at something,
(01:15):
shows like Damn Widdy congering Land for no question. Shit man,
that shit is. That shit is unbelievable. Man. Like the
way that the way that they love hip hop.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Man, they tapped into the culture over there is this,
you know what I mean, It's overwhelming, man, the love
I felt out there, like I was on out in Columbia,
I was on an Argentina, I was out in fucking Georgia.
I was everywhere like like you said, like I was
touching I was touching Land. I I ain't never thought
i'd be and I ain't. I ain't think they can
(01:47):
they understand like when I when I'm bringing to the
table with my lyrics.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah, so for for.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
The motherfuckers to be able to barely speak English and
wrapping my ship word for word, dog It's a different
type of feeling.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
You know, you do you do my cloth out cloth
for music? So I follow you, I follow you griseled
in a whole crew. I could tell you like stages,
you like performing, Yeah, yeah, that's my favor element.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah yeah, watching like dog Man, watching DMX, watching Boston.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
You know what I'm saying. Definitely too on the top.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Of saying, you know, I could just tell like they
put a lot of emphasis in the in the stage
performance part of it more than just like the pend
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
And I just.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Like to go out there and just have like an
outer body experience just just leave it all on the
stage world.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
How for the people that don't know, how did Grisel?
How y'all did did somebody meet in jail? Was it
y'all grew up? How y'all? How did y'all even link up? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Ships, it says the beginning like since it says the
beginning like niggas, So it's like, you know what I mean.
It started with like me Wes Benny and machine Gun
Black rest in peace, you know what I'm saying. Then
my man cut her, my man cutter locked up right now.
But he you know what I'm saying, he started rapping
(03:16):
the shit with us. But this is well, when we
was older, like you know what I'm saying, they.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Was a little younger than me. I was always like
the rapping, like I've been battle rapping and fucking niggas
up since, like I was twelve years old, thirteen years
old in the city, just just going crazy on whoever
was was that guy at the time. They had to
see me, So that started with that.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
And you know, them boys just seeing me watching me,
you know what I'm saying, saying, how I get busy.
It just turned into like yo, so crazy and Dan
you know what I'm saying, Like Benny just started becoming
a monster himself, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
And shit, just you know, man, we grew like that.
That shit grew like that. Well it ain't really like
get good.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Ain't really take it to like the business side or
really started trying to get sere it till like after
I got shot, you know what I'm saying. Once I
got shot, and like everybody was home, like because niggas
will never really be home from jail at the same
science too, so like sh ain't gonna be locked up,
Benny'll be home, Benny would be locked up West locked up.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I mean, it was we weren't really never all on
the streets at the same time until after I got shot,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
And then after I got shot, it was just like nah, bro,
let's just you're going to be the one to take
us there go crazy, just put everything and then get
to get you stirdy, you know what I'm saying. The
question I have is I've been to Buffalo. Yeah, you know,
he's still got the Bronx crackheads in Buffalo. Wondered where
(04:49):
the crackheads went in Buffalo. You know, it's just crazy
Bronx crackheads is in Buffalo, right, and I've been there. Dang,
it's so hard to get out of Buffalo. Ye, So
to explain to everybody out there, you from upstate New York,
that's like a six seven hour drive from the boroughs, Right,
(05:12):
how did you have hope? Not only that, how did
you really get on from Buffalo? And then the hope
ko got on too? Like how did you think you
can make it from Buffalo? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
And no, like nobody think they gonna make it and
nothing like foot niggas, nothing they gonna make it to
the league. Niggas gonna be niggas. You know what I'm saying.
Like it's cracked, and that's it. You feel me the streets,
that's it.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
You feel me in.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
But I always had the mind state dog just the
white people hear me, I'm out of here because I just.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Always feeling I ain't it ain't too many niggas like
a fuck with me. And that was way back then,
Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Ninety six, ninety seven, ninety nine, two thousand, you know
what I'm saying, And I think it ain't happened for me,
for us, I think that was a blessing in the
sky though, you know what I'm saying, because we was
blessed with the.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Journey. We was able to learn.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
We was able to watch errors, We was able to
study film, watch y'all game tape.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
You know what I'm saying, See how y'all doing it?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Like you said, Like I was saying, like I'm watching
Bust the Rhymes perform, watching DMX go crazy from the
fifty thousand. You know what I'm saying, I'm able to
see that shit and learning able to take little elements
from everything, and it sharpened my blade till it was time,
you know, man. But it's definitely to answer your question, man,
(06:33):
it's tough, you know what I mean. I don't really
know how we did it, man, It's just I think
it was just time, you know what I'm saying, Like
he just got Like I said, we got all shit
in the right people to the right people, man, and
it's just like the bus they started just talking, you
know what I mean. But we like we was getting
so we was just on our bullshit, like we ain't
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want to even sign no days and none of that.
We ain't want to fuck with nobody. We were just
laying nobody coming to fuck with us. Fucking were doing
our own shit. We ain't really signing, but we shit
just start getting too crazy, like we the hoodies and
shit flying off the table, the CDs. We can't sell
the vinyls selling for like a thousand dollars, Like somebody
(07:15):
will buy the vinyl for for fifty this shit it's
on eBay or something for like twelve hundred. Were looking
at this ship like we gained mirrors painting in Japan
and and shit Paris. It's like this shit getting too crazy.
We need we need management now, you know what I'm saying.
At least gets management. And you know what I'm saying,
that's how we met Paul and all that. But that's
(07:38):
how we really got our introduction in the game, just
hustling and making our ship boutique, like you know what
I mean. It was like we was getting into this
stream era. This was in the beginning of that. We
like went against that, like fuck that, you gotta come
see me.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
We get that. Yeah, you can only get it.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
It's only one hundred and eighty seven of these, you know,
we having a one A seven on the back of
the hoodies.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
So the hoodies is getting marked up resale.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
They light took this formula from like the sneaker game
took that same formula.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
That ship man we hear today. Man, you know what
I'm saying. So went from a mission impossible to get
signed to something like that in Buffalo. Once y'all got
popping the whole Grisella, they was going out there trying
to sign your cousins. Everybody they out there, they've been
pulling up, they've been they've been pulling up because you know,
(08:28):
I'm good friends with bone Thug. They from Cleveland. That's
a little further to get on the Buffalo. And when
they started popping, they signed every cousin in Cleveland they
ever heard, they liked, didn't like. You know, this industry
is the industry. They just pull up once they know,
like Warren g he got snatched from under. He's doctor
(08:50):
Dre's stepbrother. They went out there and Leo Cohen went
to Compton. You know that's what they do. Well, came
to the School street c X to the Jets. He
wasn't scared, but you gotta get it popping. Though. One
thing I love about you guys. First of all, you
(09:11):
guys get it right. Everybody don't get it. And the
one thing I loved about you guys is, you know,
I come from digging in the crace. I come from
the underground boom bat right. But what I love about
yas y'all always invested in your fashion, in your fly.
That was a big difference Merge too. They took merg
(09:32):
to theeduct if they merged to a rocket ship and
took that ship. But my thing is fashion, right, So
I'm looking at y'all. Y'all sound beats and bombs, you know,
that's where we come from, That's where we started. And
then but you guys was like throwing that ship on
and all that, And now I could go to an
underground concert today. Not for nothing that you ain't wearing.
(09:53):
They wearing whatever you gave him free death Jam coming
out now or something. They don't give a fuck, right,
And so but these guys got it. They were like, Okay,
we're gonna be underground superstars. We're gonna throw that ship
on it. Who really started that up? That's just what
it was.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I mean, that was really the kind of the nature
of it in a sense, like but I think that's
why too, Like you know, our music and ship, like
the young young boys and shit kind of fuck with
us and and like tapped into our ship too, because
we able to able to relate to us, you know
what I'm saying, Like we we was outside doing that.
We was the niggas who was having having the Apa
(10:34):
rexs and ship on, giving them, you know what I'm saying,
a little five dollars to go to the store signing
fun me. So they looked up to us and stuff,
and I think it just kind of translates worldwide, like
like looking at them niggas, cause shit, I ain't I
ain't that young. You fuel me so young niggas tap
in and fuck with me and look at to me
like yo, what up?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Big road type ship? What up?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
So you know we'd be having that ship on and
we be talking that ship too. That's well relevant, But
over them them same type of I mean, I got
conducted in the Cut, I got Darrener and the Cut Alchemists.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I needed darn too, man, I need a couple of
darrenes man daring to get that man right, hell right, Diesel.
So many influences. You work with a lot of legends.
I mean that that's your show tested. How you get busy.
You get a lot of calls from us for me,
styles can dudes that really do music with substance. How
(11:31):
you feel about that because you don't want to work
with some of these garbage? Now, you know?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
For me, that's to me, that's the fucking that's the award,
you know what I mean, that's the to get get
my flowers from the MC's and I respect looking at that.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Like at the end of the day, I look at myself.
I'm an MC.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I'm true to this hip hop, this MCing element of it.
Everything else, Like I don't really you know what I'm saying.
I'm MC first for me, So it's like for me
to just you know, get that, get that love, get
that embraced.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
For niggas like Buster from the Chef, you know what
I mean, Starks and them niggas, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
From y'all what it is.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I remember we had our first show ever. We ain't
never sell a record or nothing. We did our first
first show.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
He was on tour.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
We did it that on I think Webster All. First
stop was in New York City and wester Hall. Man
I came to the show with Prodigy, like Prodigy was
with us hanging all day.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Ship y'all pulled up, you know what I'm saying. Ray
pulled up and performed like hell is done. That ship
was wal l It was like a real hell. I
don't think it was crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I don't know if it's been no show like that
in New York City that that feel was tight and intimate.
Since that s Obs got me that that on wester
All ship, I've been to a lot of ship's just
the love like it was graffiti and it on the wall.
I know it was all type of little box cutters
and pocket rockers in there. It was well twelve pocket
(13:08):
rockers in there, you know what I mean, A couple
of butter Knice.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
A lot of MC's that were the greatest in the game.
Didn't know how to pick beats. You guys know how
to pick beasts. I won't say their names because the
living legends you're not gonna say, don't do that already
know that ain't go. But there's some legendary artists. When
(13:32):
people ask me, you don't watch such and such a blow.
Homeboy was the nicest this and this and that. But
when you heard they beat selection, you know, just now
we was just vibing to your ship. You play like
five in the row. All them beats feel like they
shooting heir on on the street. You know, the back
room usual going down all of them. I don't know
(13:57):
the sixties.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Now I feel like that ship come from like you
know what I mean, having access sometimes when you might
have got no access to no fire. You know what
I mean, You're making the best of what you what
you what you got in front of you.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
It's like I don't been in it in the city
in times like that where the beast was, you know
what I mean? Yeah, damn. And we got darrenjer You
know what I'm saying. He was in house like I'm
sleeping on a nigga couch, you feel me, And I'm
getting asked that he making these ships on the spot.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Now we got out, We.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Got conductors and you know what I mean, different different niggas,
Like it's just the access.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
We got the resource.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Now, you know what I'm saying, Can I can ahead, Swiss,
I can ahead different niggas and get I got the resource.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Now you know what I'm saying, but as far as
like you know, that's what I put it.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
As to, like you know what you said, my legends
is said you might not have you know what I'm
meaning to reach to get no nothing crazy And then
you want to you need the money or you're trying
to push something out so bad, like fuck it. I'm
just going I'm gonna picture saying how this ship that
I got right here?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Fuck it? You know what I mean? The twelve these twelve?
What's your creative process? I know you need some zob
yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just smoking me one you
feel me? You know a lot of a lot of
a lot of reposodo.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
You know what I'm saying, some type of some type
of sports, you know what I mean, presentation on the
screen and on mute and share some beats crazy and
why myself like I just me and the engineer maybe
like one of my mans like that shit, I don't
really I don't need a party, yeah, and they probably
(15:42):
I take everybody to work with me to day.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I do what I see. I got a sweep first
yeah that yeah, same ship like you, but I gotta
sweep at the sweep sweet Actually sweep. No, it's this.
It's just like a like a full here. I gotta
sweep it ain't even dirty, it's not even nothing on
(16:06):
the floor. But you gotta sweet first before you go
as the last team. Yeah, I gotta sweep. Mm hmm,
I'm sweeping it. I'm sweeping something negativity. You right, you
right at home or you right right at the studio,
every both like a.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Lot of us that ship don't even I don't even
be hitting no pad. A lot of that ship off
the top. I mean, I ain't really free styling stick
it up.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I'm thinking of it.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I'm giving a thought smoked me one or two, and
then I'm like, all right, I might taking me in nap,
saying wake up.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, I am ready low me up, and then I
just go like that. So a lot of that ship
on that album I hadn't even wrote.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I ain't write that, write that down. I'm writing the
lyrics down now because you know, I like, yo, I
need the lyrics. I need the lyrics.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
So I gotta go back and listen and ship like damn,
what the fuck I said? You know, man, is there
a difference from being high writing lyrics or being sober
for me. Nah, for me, now, you know what I'm saying.
How people say they gotta be hot to write, do
you think it's a difference, just puts me into better
comfortable I mean sometimes you don't need for me, it's
(17:19):
really the beat. Yes, if the beat is super is
fucking incredible. I don't need nothing, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
because I used to write, and then, you know, towards
my latest stage in my career, it's more like, let
me go in the studio, throw that beat on. I
don't even want to hear it. Before that, then it's
(17:40):
just yeah, I'm just flowing this ship. Like you know.
They asked me one time, and this guy was incredible.
I was overseas on one of them tours as some
journalists from some fucking country out there. He said, man,
what's the process of writing? And I explained to him debt.
(18:01):
Once they put a fire beat on, it's like remember
when we was in kindergarten and all that, and they
would make them books that the fucking trees pop out
and all that. Yeah, the rhymes just pop out. He
was looking at me like I was crazy, but I
realized I was sounded crazy, but I was explaining it
to him. But that's how I really worked. When they
throw the beat on, you know, to me to be
(18:22):
telling me what to say, whether good or bad, happy, sad, party, whatever,
the beat always tell me what to say. That's how
it is for me. For me too, I need that
beat and they need to be in a gud space.
That beat.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
They'll wake me up on my sleep. I don't care
what fuck, what kind of states something is that be crazy.
I'm gonna stop with my try. Like I did a
song going on my last shit, I was leaving the stoody.
It was like six thirty in the morning. I've been in,
out and out of the day like four ships.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I'm drunk. I'm all, I'm on my way, I'm ready
to go to sleep. I'm leaving.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
So the producer came in. I ain't never worked with
this producer or nothing. He just plugging his shit up
while he cleaning the jointy. That's take a place, and
I'm like, I stopped at the door, like, yo, what's that?
Speaker 1 (19:06):
No? I had that and ended again on my album
was crazy. Was crazy. That's how it works with music,
And you know, they give us the least credit they
know for it being on art form. But it's it's art.
When you hear something that measurement rises you, you gotta
have it, you know what I mean? I tell you
(19:26):
all the time, this is how we do. It's Friday
night and I'm doing the fun. You go to a party,
you throw that ship? Are you rocking? I just told
Test the last time you play that all the time, man,
I mean I just told Test movie go DJ in
(19:47):
my house for my birthday. I said, Yo, bro strictly hallm.
I want to feel like I want to thank you.
I want I do not play. I need that vibe
because for some reason, I'm telling Chris today, right, I
say how they was killing dudes in that time, right,
like when you if you think about when they been
the music I'm just talking about you know, you know,
(20:10):
wait your time young man or mama used to and
you and the club and the beautiful woman that death
they dancing. I'm not talking about hip hop. How do
they get the clapping sas own money? Dudes was clapping
over their girls this this like if you think about
that time, right, that's it.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Then then then you're like, how the hell these guys
shoot the place up?
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Like what I heard? Yeah, they need they old money
that somebody fuck with somebody girl, somebody, you know, and
so they got the clapping. But you know that ship
make me happy? You know what makes you happy? Brother?
(21:05):
Maybe fucking with my dog man go down.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
You know what I'm saying, Fucking with my little bulldog,
my little French bulldog man.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Other than that, being left alone, Yeah, no phone or phone.
All he's telling I find my happiness doing that. Show
me playing a little two k or something or in
the studio. What's an adulte beat makes me happy?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
That's the right fact. What's going on with drum work?
Were getting to it? Man? I got you know Skis?
Why Jay Skis? We put him out. We started him
in like twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, but he just
did another He dropped like two ships this year. He tour,
(21:58):
He did a tour this year. I got a sk
or Man Kendricks, I got a couple of shooters, Mandy.
You know that's beautiful. We're doing news. We got this
album of compilation like an arm with all of us,
don't you know what I'm saying. Put that shit out
this ship too broadly. You know it's beautiful that people
(22:19):
don't understand. Is like when God give you the opportunity
to be the first to get on and live your
dream about and then you go back and say, all right,
I'm ship with you. Yep, you know what I'm saying.
There's nothing like that putting somebody on, helping them see
their vision go through it. And uh, that's very commendable
(22:42):
because you could just be thinking about yourself. You know,
I could think of phenomenal artists that we love to
death that never put nobody on, meaning rack wise, you know.
So when you go out your way to do that,
you know, we all get what shortcomings or we all
try to help certain people that went bad, you know
(23:03):
what I'm saying. But for the most part, that's a
beautiful thing to ship your journey and your dream with
some up and coming artists. It is that is you
know what I mean, Especially for me, like because I
was always a type of person I don't really like
I don't mesh well with everybody, Like I don't really
hang around a lot of people. I don't keep a
(23:23):
lot of I keep a small circle. So you know
what I mean for me, even you know what I mean,
just open up pause like that, like feel me and
let people just come come fuck with me, you know
what I mean, Jump in the back seat.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Man, let's let's ride up there together. It is actually
inspiring for.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
It's actually doing more for me than them. You know
what i mean, because I'm getting out of my my,
my old self, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Man,
just a short, temperate, uh hot headed type dude. I'm
just more patient with things now and I know how
to calm myself down. I'll get upset and stuff. So
(24:05):
that's why I like to be alone, like the isolation,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
What you got going any more? Touring? What's going on?
You got you going back out?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, I'm at the tour. I'm at the tour of
the States starting in November. I'm thinking at the show
at the end of October, though.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Out here I'm not sure. But yeah, I'm going back
on that road. You know. I stay on that road,
no doubt. Touching the people. Yeah, I like to man,
I like to be on that stage.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
And that's you know, fucking with my fans, man, you know,
taking them pictures and signing thirty vinyls.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
You know what I'm saying. Wait, niggas with the vinyls thing.
Got apple tags on niggas. That's a fact. You know,
where are you at them?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Niggas are like thirty hours, so they're like, Noah, I
got the mall machine, h man. But yeah, I'm going
back on roll, going back over overseas and shit, I
got some couple of shows.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
On the green. You know what I'm saying. Fire, I'm
about Mongolia. You ever been to Mongolia? That's when you
know crack trying to get the bag. Well, he go
to Mongolia. I had a dude in jail with me,
a white boy. You know, it's real ratio in jail,
but I put him down with our cool Nobody wanted them,
but I seen it. I seen the strength of him.
(25:20):
I used to call him Hong Kong's Mongolia Man. So
one day he comes up to me. A month later,
he says, hey, boss, I said, what's up? He said,
I just realized Hong Kong and Mongolia is two different places.
I said, I don't give a fuck. We lucky. I
gave you a nickname, all the fuck, Hong Kong's Monolian.
I'm going to Mongolia. That ship. That's a trip on
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that show. Who's on there with her bag is on
the show? Who are you going there with? Superior? If
you hear fat Joe, you know I hate the flyp
you'll be firing Mongolia. Is this sh ship like eight
hours after China or something? Wow, ship, it's a mission.
I gotta go to Dubai. From Dubai to China, then
(26:05):
Monk Golden stop in Dubai. Do I pick up a
couple of you know, bags? And then you know what's up? Man?
You know what's going on. You know what I'm saying.
But you know that's that goalie man that ship far
as fuck. We're gonna see what it is. Where you've
been at where the fans was the craziest about y'all?
(26:27):
Everywhere niggash Man. Probably the way you didn't probably probably
in Greece probably, Uh, South America. South America is Daisy,
It was crazy, bro.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
South America is it's a whole It's electricity, man, it's
a whole different type of energy.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Sh sh insane. All the shoulders shows. The line was
around two blocks. I got promoter. Your promoter was.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I didn't do so good. Yeah, I'm gonna keep it rid.
That's one of the only places I ain't do good. Look,
I sell my ship out all the time. Boy, I
went to South America. That ship was light work. But
I've seen Wu Tang go out there and that'sh it wasmonios.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
And I was like, damn, I must have went with
a whack promoter. No, that was crazy when promoter, Yeah,
we need that guy. That was insanity out there and
do wow whoa shot? The video out there and bo
Guitar ship man were just out there. That's ex videos
(27:40):
in bol Guitar. You're doing ship well.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
The danger element was was definitely profound though in and
out her you got that shot. Let's get out of
there and go go.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Contels over there abducting people in all type bol guitar.
His name in Deecay, in Glee Kate, you know in
gaygate Gon.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Do you want me to tell a story? Do you
want me to tell a story? I got one to
hear me. So they paid me wow money to go
to Columbia, like wow money, right, and they did like
stadiums and they were empty. They had a little five
hundred thousand people. Shit supposed to have ten fifteen thousand people.
(28:29):
I walk in after the second show in the hotel
and fly hotels. This guy flew the bag and I
see his workers just looking like man nervous and shit,
you know, people who are being nice to me and
all that. And he was over there talking to him
like this. I walked over, send my wife upstairs. I
wanted my wife. I was like, Yo, what's up, buppy?
(28:50):
He said, what's up? I would like to take at
a bet with nails in it and put it in
your ass, turn it inside, said far the rock. So
I'm like, take a back with nails and turn it
in your ass. I want to hang you upside down?
(29:15):
And did he start talking all this in Colombia? Right,
So I get it. He lost a super bad with
just what he paid me. Then he had to rent stadiums.
He thought Fat Joe was gonna be paying pneumonium and
ship was light work, right, So he talking crazy Tony
(29:35):
Montana shit. But I tell him when he finished, I say, yo,
you know what, man, you missed your calling. You should
be in Hollywood writing them scripts because the ship you saying, no,
I'm not gonna lie shit phenomena like you got that ship,
you know, But me, I don't give a fuck. I'm
not really scared of you, ma man. So it is
(29:56):
what it is. You should stop all getting with your think.
I go upstairs. The next day we go to medi Ying.
My daughter grew up with a little girl since they
was in kindergarten. Her father comes to school and all
events I know in Columbian. Man dressed nice, nice, most
(30:17):
decent guy. This this that he invited us to his
house and meda Ying. So we got four cops our security.
We get to the block to the hill because it's
up on a mountain, and there was like, big mistake,
You're not going to I said, yeah, I'm going up there.
He was like, no way, no way. I'm like senor
(30:39):
such and such as my friend. He said, he's your friend,
is my friend? We go up there. Bro. They made
I don't know if you know what sun culture is.
They made a pot of sun culture suit. This ship
was like a human could fit in there. They was
like this. Then they had a living room, a living
room with a glass opens you you was you wasn't
(31:03):
with us ass and the horses was doing fossa finos
doing the horses you see with the tricks and this
and this and that. It was in the living man
they had a swimming pool of horses. They were swimming
and shit in the living room. So imagine how we
watched NFL. They got the horses topping doing this and
this and that. Right, I never seen no ship like this.
I've never been a part of this. I get back
(31:25):
to the hotel. The promoter dude just told me he
wants to shove a bat and my ass flipped me
himself for you, why didn't you tell me? You know,
mister moll, I said, I didn't even know he was
that dude. He's in Miami, undercovered, nicest guy, and he
(31:50):
looked like ghosts, like ghosts. He's the Colombian ghosts. When
I go over there, he was say, why you don't
sell me? You know, mister life. I say, my guys,
my hurry for everything I said the day before, I'm
so sorry. I said, nah, not so good. Brother sow
(32:11):
love and I happened to know the god by mistake.
That's my Columbia story that I was a girl. I
was a girl. What else you got going on outside
of music? Now? You like the advest I know you
like it. You got the label, you do, the merch,
you do ship, you got any cannabis.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
You got some cannabis. We got some we got some
drawn work exotics. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
We got I'm writing a little short film fire about
the about the dibble in the podcast space. No doubt.
I got some bad I got like some fool ship
like fool review ship to another another little space like that,
and just getting We're getting more artists. It's still a foodie. Yeah,
(32:58):
only certain ship that anything or certain turning away. Yeah,
you know. I went to uh Thimeland. We did uh
Rolling Loud. We did Rolling Loud and Thiland High that one.
I wanted to do that, all right, but listen, it is.
(33:19):
It's a little bit of a culture shock or whatever.
But the point is he I stood in the hotel.
I was scared. I'm gonna keeping like them. You don't know.
If I was in the fanciest record the hotel, you
could be it. Man. This ship was incredible. But I
was scared to eat, like if it wasn't like eggs
and turkey. Bit I was not eating this ship. Sure enough,
(33:41):
I go on Instagram and little Uzzi is eating like
a fucking fucking rot roach or some ship. That ship
went v I said, I am not leaving this fucking room.
I'm sitting here watching see it the regulars ship breakfast,
the fucking listen. The hotel was at a control fly.
(34:04):
You know, I'm sitting my sweetest head, CARDI B's head,
little WOZI like everybody with somebody. So the ship was
too fly. But I was scared, with no disrespect. I
was scared to like try ship like going the street.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
And that's how you still got your festival. Yeah, I
stuck got the festal shy. I mean that ship, that
ship was Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah, yeah, that's old festival. Yeah,
drum work fast.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
We did it for a couple of years and show
we're gonna rebooth that I mean, probably bring it back
twenty six, twenty six, you know I did it two
three weeks from now, and yeah, saying that buffalo's God
coming throat. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, hip hop
and no your chest you got God coming man, shout
(34:52):
out to my ball and should have went the heck.
You know, my ship's symmetric, my ship. You can look
at this ship through deep from every you see what
I gotta deal with. I should have went the heck.
His wedding is that same day, and I can't make
it because I got that show with it was the time,
but shout out should have went the heck and his
wife to be. How do you meet Alchems just on Twitter?
(35:16):
Like he heards once? I know you could spit. He'll
reach out the exactly why and like he he t
a guy like people was tagging me. He didn't even
know my Twitter handle. I ain't evenly have that many
followers or nothing. I had just started the page and
he was he's seen a free styles saying I was
on YouTube like yo, you created old d m me
(35:37):
the number, like yo, let's late next time you come
to l A come through. And we did that and
the rest was rest was history. Love Alchemists, Bro. I'm
glad everybody you know he always was that dude, but
I'm glad they're acknowledging it now when they see in
his greatness, you know, you know, guy like al comit
(36:00):
quiet real hip hop and how he's doing Erikabadu album.
I listened to the Freddie Gibbs album. I listened to,
you know, pretty much anything he got to do with.
I tuned in on Alchemist. What was the big moments
for you, like who did you meet? What was the
time that someone came up to you and just said,
(36:22):
like you guys, oh man probably probably oh, probably hope.
He was doing that show on LA and he pulled up. Yeah,
he just pulled up like there was at a game
or some shit. Sohoon. We crossed the straight at the
stables and Nigga just pulled up. Watch the show like
(36:43):
I'm performing on Go for a time. Look He's standing
there on the stage. Just watch it. I'm like, Yo,
my bugging now you even though it happened, don't do
I mean I invited him to thirty six birthday part.
He ain't never put out. Yeah, KD. You know what
(37:05):
I'm saying. I Nigga pulled on to a show I
was tapped in, just like knowing the music easy money, Sniper,
he loves he love hip hop, hip hop. We got
some dope beats too. Yeah, KD produced. I ain't know
that KD k KD one of them dudes that if
I big him up a certain he'll dis me on Twitter.
(37:26):
You know. I keep telling you certain guys that when
I big them up, they're this me for the culture.
They'll be like, yo, crack for this. I don't really
know about that. This like I got a selective list
now that I could big up. You can't even big motherfuckers. Oct.
Twenty t Waite Big up JD. Man, that's my boy
trying to tell you I big them up. Yo. I
(37:46):
never seen a better dude at the rock of this
this that you cat crack that they did. I'm like, yo,
this god like I can't. I don't know. Man. We
in the media space now, so we ain't in the
rapping space. You got the hoodie yon still chilling. We
out here talking to dude. Sometimes our big dudes up
and they come at me like, fuck that, that's not
(38:09):
how And I'm man, I big you up though, I'm like,
what the fuck? So KD. I remember that jay Z
You know what I mean? Yeah, that went viral. Hold
pull up your man, west Side gun Man. I love
this guy, man. He I remember going down Tom Squared
(38:30):
and he had the whole the big billboy, but he
had the balenci Like that motherfucker he want to dress
right like I love that ship, like he got that
fucking BALESSI yaga three carters shit on this with the back.
I'm like, I had to step out the car because
you know that ship hip hop, But that's that ship
(38:51):
right there. You know what I'm saying, So shout out
your man west Side Gunner, Benny. You guys, you know
pretty much. You guys just restored the feeling right a
void that was really really missing. And even guys who
felt like you, who are nice like you, they chose
(39:12):
the other route, trying to be the gimmick or the
new or the this or the that. Microwaves shit, Michael
waves shit, and y'all just said, you know what we're going,
beats and rhymes, and and then you caught everybody like
a whole that loves real hip hop, the essence, the
purity because it's very rare with the youth to see
(39:36):
somebody because that is the harder route to beat some rhymes, correct,
because the overnight success is the gimmick shit. You understand
what I'm saying, but you know not to say some
of them ain nice, Oh my god, some of them.
You know, I'm overnight. It's not it's not too many overnights,
(39:59):
you know, but that's what we feel like like pain.
There was a huge void there, you know what I mean.
And guys who were doing. What you were doing never
really took off. And so when y'all start taking off
and y'all start creating your own ship, we loving that legacy.
(40:28):
Where do you see yourself drum work for Zelda in
the next five years? Rich? Like y'all rich, I count
everybody pocketing you come in with a yash, come in
(40:48):
with a staff for five count everybody he.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Got the fuck that had the bucket low like fuck it, dope,
he got some money this guy.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
How important is it to give back? You know what
I mean? Showing that the younger, the what they call
these guys, the hyans in Buffalo, that you know you
can make it. It's some hope, there's some sense of encouragement.
It's extremely important, man, because especially coming from Buffalo or
we ain't ad that, we ain't had nobody to give us,
(41:18):
no no advice, no encouraging words, or even show us
a blueprint. How to you know what I'm saying, make
it in that space. So it's important, you know what
I mean, That's what it's all about. You know what
I mean? You uh, you can't take none of this
ship with you, man, but you're gonna leave it here.
(41:38):
You can leave a liar get back. So I don't
want it. I don't want it to end. You know
what I'm saying. What we was able to accomplish for
the city of Buffalo and the whole upstate. You know
what I'm saying. I don't want it to end with
just us.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
So we gotta we gotta you know what I'm saying,
Gonna have pour it back in, put it back in
the part feel me.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Yeah, Like I said, I seen Wanda, I've seen Tyrone,
I've seen Juneba. All the crack AADs from eighty eight
in that Buffalo went up there. They shipped them up.
I'm telling you. I was outside in Buffalo. I said,
God damn, got the fucking Bronx crackeads up here. So
(42:22):
let me let me ask you something in the streets perspective, right,
could you said one of y'all was always in jail?
I never heard that perspective. So, being from Buffalo enough
state jails. Yeah, but all the jails are up there, right,
and so like when you go Bigger crew, I wonder
if they send them down did they send us up there?
(42:45):
This is the question, do you go to jail upstate
with everybody you grew up with is all, y'all, Like deeper,
it would be a lot of buffalo niggas in state
pens and even the cops like here, we can't relate
to them. Right. So if you and RK as Island,
you got some black Spanish cops stay talking to you
(43:05):
like black and Spanish cops. Then you go up north
and that's that's what you're dealing with, the baby. But
you're already dealing with them, y'all living So, y'all, y'all
know Uncle Tom, Yeah, Scott, No, that's a fan. I
never know. Every time I went upstate to visit somebody,
(43:28):
I always thought of like, it's there like a Buffalo crew?
Are Upstate crew? That they're right there there there across
the street. Now, I don't want to go there. Don't
do that to me. I'm not good with the cold.
I'm a sunshine motherfucker that blows up. My brother did
time up state, man, motherfucker. I don't give a fuck
(43:50):
what clothes you sent them. That motherfucker was cold. He'd
be like, yo, Joe, I ain't going outside this ship cold.
A couple of artists, you ain't gotta say top five,
but a couple of artists to pave the way for
you that you that you know, you consider living legend.
You know you really fuck what they work. It's plenty
(44:13):
of It's plenty, you know what I mean. It was
just like recent like i'ma say, I'm gonna say, like,
let's say my nigga Mars Rock Marcy, Yeah, shout out
to rock Musky. I'm gonna say my nigga Sauce Walker likes.
Walker's nice to you. Hey, Jada, why you always act
(44:36):
like I'm I'm just saying, that's a great I like him.
I like him, I like I like I like I
like her, I like g Herbal he is my nigga.
Can't lotty. You just had a show with Vegas. When
I walked off stage, they played the record and I
had to ask, like four or five, who's that? Who's that?
(44:57):
Who that? And then it was like, yo, that's gee, Herbal.
I was no Herb like that. Herb was nice, verb nice.
That record kind of like touched the third rap, saying
every now and then the record, you hear a song
and that ship touched the third rap. This ship crazy.
That's your guys. Yeah, right now, that's what That's what
(45:19):
I'm listening to on fucking right now. You know what
I'm saying. Yeah, listen to our clips. You know you
know you know ship that's out right now. You already
know that. Go to that show, James. You call me
by everything else. You ain't telling me the clips was
here too. I was sitting on the couch, I was
(45:40):
doing apps. You text all these shows and then tell
us that the clips. Bro, you think we wasn't fucking
pulling up. You gotta be out of fuck it like
this ship. I wanted to be in attendance. I don't
want vi P. I would have been writing the crowd
loving this show, real hip hop shit. James. You see
(46:01):
when I say they be trying to do ship to
me like I'm trying to go to the I'm going
with the family to the Bad Bunny concert. And I
got the call. I ain't really want today even though
it's nothing but love, But I got the call, Yo,
we don't want you to see people. We're gonna take
you through the house where you get the free drinks
with the I thought we was gonna be in the crowd,
like you know, eipe either they don't want to if
(46:25):
we starts to pull off at this clip. See humans, Nah,
they ain't let me see humans. You think I'll be
joking about that ship? They just gave me the call
urge you coming. No human was gonna no humans gonna
slip you in backstage, put you through the I'm like,
I thought I was gonna really act up. You know
what I'm saying. But yeah, the clips Clips album is
(46:48):
he's uh, man, I hope, I hope what they did
just Beats and Rhymes continues to do the numbers they did.
Now everybody want to make up hoax and this and that.
Some boys did numbers, you know what I'm saying for
not commercial lies like you guys, you'll ever do it?
Something with like Selena Goldmez and ship like that. I
(47:09):
would love. So I can't wait. So are you ready? Yeah? Yeah,
I've hung out for a couple of times. I definitely
threw that on the table with my man. Cloth is like, yeah, man,
we gotta we gotta get in that studio together. You
know what I'm saying. I see it, I see you
(47:30):
know me, I'm you know, you know I started Underground
Brother and my dream was to be a big artist
in the Superstar and the minute, and I got the opportunity.
I did it. You know what I'm saying, And you
know I get it. I see what you're saying. I'm
fuck with that. Everybody don't fuck with that. Just everybody don't.
(47:54):
The gods did not get the fuck out of here.
So you got a new album and this stroke deal
with rock Nation. Told us about that bag delicious. You
can't kill God with bullets? Uh about to drop that?
Ship Man? It was like, I said, what don't kill
God with bullets? These titles? It was important for me
(48:16):
to you know, dow this a part of my chapter
to be with rock Nation and you know what I'm saying,
and bring my album, bring my business over here with them.
You know what I'm saying. Ship Let now should let
you know what I mean? Bettc Man belt the Kolo
Seasons put giving belt Man, be not surprised. I ain't
(48:42):
think of that one right pull Poppy, We're gonna whip
your ass. How is your relationship with God? The most High?
Or God is the greatest Man? That was the greatest
say of the guys in the back, God is the
greatest man. There for the back of the congregation. You
(49:04):
know that's how I feel right. So if God forbid,
I got shot right now and I got five seconds,
I'm praying to God. That's that's how much belief and
faith I having God, or some guys don't want to
pray to it. It's what I'm trying to tell you
is I've seen the God preaching in the UK and
a man took his time to stop and argue with him.
(49:26):
That's fake. This you preaching faith? You this this is
you know, It's good to see because I've never seen
that before. I never seen somebody, you know, have that
energy and that perspective against God. But some guy was
they were just arguing with the guy in the UK,
was like, hey, God told me to tell you he
loves you. This is that we don't care we about
(49:48):
you know what. This is the opposite side of that.
So you know to know that God is the greatest
you know, it's the greatest key to have. I mean
for me, you know what I'm saying that you know,
artist everything to me, But for real, what's all it's
a great duties. This guy crazy with Jada crazy, y'all
(50:13):
think I'm crazy? He witty like a man. Now I
know why you top five because you be shooting me
every episode like this. Never shoot from the sun. Hey Joe,
what about the wags? What I'm looking at this? This
guy other, you will destroying me other than a leg deal?
(50:36):
Whether get you a deal? Then you go? This is
did what hundred million for the cave? Now? This guy's insane?
But brother man, we like to thank you for taking
the time off pulling Gil God wait will it's check
it out? Look forwardy down with rock Nation, dish Bro
drum work is coming with Elders already here. You know
(50:57):
what we're doing. Fuck, he's BTC felt the cooler. I
got to tell you we sit down and thank god,
a whole bunch of artists want to sit on the
blue couch. And my business partner, I gotta say, y'all
think we're doing good and fat Jo crazy. But this guy,
(51:21):
he's very selectful with the artist to sit on the couch.
He got a problem. He turns down guys just big
and your name came up and in one second he
was like, yo, one hundred percent, we need to do that,
you know me? For a guy like me, I look up,
(51:43):
I don't even say nothing. I ain't even because I
don't think that ever happened when someone that's mentioned and
he's like, I just look up, Okay, stay down.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
I guess we got a show because it got on
coach who he's a hard one to catch. Sometimes everybody
come up the same thing with it. But you want
to Jo, don't say nobody's damn yo yo kiss. He
ain't ship man.
Speaker 1 (52:12):
Let me tell you I think he's a nice guy.
He's got diabolical boy he got I just be like,
you don't. I don't listen, bro. We just want you
to know we love you. Know you should to the game.
Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise to Conway the machine right,
This guy. He's very selectful with the artist to sit
on the couch. He got a problem. He turns down
guys this big and your name came up and in
one second he was like, yo, one hundred percent, we
need to This is Joeah Dawn on my Mafia ship.
(00:33):
You know what it is, your boy, Jada, This is
the Joe and Jada Show. Every show is exclusive, every
show is iconic. Today we like to welcome our guests.
My brother one third of Griselda, one hundred percent of
drum work east side of Buffalo's own Conway. The machine
(00:53):
makes some noise. What what up? What up? What up? Man?
What up? Man? My brother was good life man, life
is good man, no doubt appreciate it. I've seen you've
been over the water crushing them crowds doing you know
what I mean, getting them bags, doing what we do.
I was that it was in some places I never
even I thought I've been everywhere. When you're looking at something,
(01:15):
shows like Damn Widdy congering Land for no question. Shit man,
that shit is. That shit is unbelievable. Man. Like the
way that the way that they love hip hop.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Man, they tapped into the culture over there is this,
you know what I mean, It's overwhelming, man, the love
I felt out there, like I was on out in Columbia,
I was on an Argentina, I was out in fucking Georgia.
I was everywhere like like you said, like I was
touching I was touching Land. I I ain't never thought
i'd be and I ain't. I ain't think they can
(01:47):
they understand like when I when I'm bringing to the
table with my lyrics.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah, so for for.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
The motherfuckers to be able to barely speak English and
wrapping my ship word for word, dog It's a different
type of feeling.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
You know, you do you do my cloth out cloth
for music? So I follow you, I follow you griseled
in a whole crew. I could tell you like stages,
you like performing, Yeah, yeah, that's my favor element.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah yeah, watching like dog Man, watching DMX, watching Boston.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
You know what I'm saying. Definitely too on the top.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Of saying, you know, I could just tell like they
put a lot of emphasis in the in the stage
performance part of it more than just like the pend
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
And I just.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Like to go out there and just have like an
outer body experience just just leave it all on the
stage world.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
How for the people that don't know, how did Grisel?
How y'all did did somebody meet in jail? Was it
y'all grew up? How y'all? How did y'all even link up? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Ships, it says the beginning like since it says the
beginning like niggas, So it's like, you know what I mean.
It started with like me Wes Benny and machine Gun
Black rest in peace, you know what I'm saying. Then
my man cut her, my man cutter locked up right now.
But he you know what I'm saying, he started rapping
(03:16):
the shit with us. But this is well, when we
was older, like you know what I'm saying, they.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Was a little younger than me. I was always like
the rapping, like I've been battle rapping and fucking niggas
up since, like I was twelve years old, thirteen years
old in the city, just just going crazy on whoever
was was that guy at the time. They had to
see me, So that started with that.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
And you know, them boys just seeing me watching me,
you know what I'm saying, saying, how I get busy.
It just turned into like yo, so crazy and Dan
you know what I'm saying, Like Benny just started becoming
a monster himself, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
And shit, just you know, man, we grew like that.
That shit grew like that. Well it ain't really like
get good.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Ain't really take it to like the business side or
really started trying to get sere it till like after
I got shot, you know what I'm saying. Once I
got shot, and like everybody was home, like because niggas
will never really be home from jail at the same
science too, so like sh ain't gonna be locked up,
Benny'll be home, Benny would be locked up West locked up.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I mean, it was we weren't really never all on
the streets at the same time until after I got shot,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
And then after I got shot, it was just like nah, bro,
let's just you're going to be the one to take
us there go crazy, just put everything and then get
to get you stirdy, you know what I'm saying. The
question I have is I've been to Buffalo. Yeah, you know,
he's still got the Bronx crackheads in Buffalo. Wondered where
(04:49):
the crackheads went in Buffalo. You know, it's just crazy
Bronx crackheads is in Buffalo, right, and I've been there. Dang,
it's so hard to get out of Buffalo. Ye, So
to explain to everybody out there, you from upstate New York,
that's like a six seven hour drive from the boroughs, Right,
(05:12):
how did you have hope? Not only that, how did
you really get on from Buffalo? And then the hope
ko got on too? Like how did you think you
can make it from Buffalo? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
And no, like nobody think they gonna make it and
nothing like foot niggas, nothing they gonna make it to
the league. Niggas gonna be niggas. You know what I'm saying.
Like it's cracked, and that's it. You feel me the streets,
that's it.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
You feel me in.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
But I always had the mind state dog just the
white people hear me, I'm out of here because I just.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Always feeling I ain't it ain't too many niggas like
a fuck with me. And that was way back then,
Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Ninety six, ninety seven, ninety nine, two thousand, you know
what I'm saying, And I think it ain't happened for me,
for us, I think that was a blessing in the
sky though, you know what I'm saying, because we was
blessed with the.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Journey. We was able to learn.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
We was able to watch errors, We was able to
study film, watch y'all game tape.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
You know what I'm saying, See how y'all doing it?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Like you said, Like I was saying, like I'm watching
Bust the Rhymes perform, watching DMX go crazy from the
fifty thousand. You know what I'm saying, I'm able to
see that shit and learning able to take little elements
from everything, and it sharpened my blade till it was time,
you know, man. But it's definitely to answer your question, man,
(06:33):
it's tough, you know what I mean. I don't really
know how we did it, man, It's just I think
it was just time, you know what I'm saying, Like
he just got Like I said, we got all shit
in the right people to the right people, man, and
it's just like the bus they started just talking, you
know what I mean. But we like we was getting
so we was just on our bullshit, like we ain't
(06:55):
want to even sign no days and none of that.
We ain't want to fuck with nobody. We were just
laying nobody coming to fuck with us. Fucking were doing
our own shit. We ain't really signing, but we shit
just start getting too crazy, like we the hoodies and
shit flying off the table, the CDs. We can't sell
the vinyls selling for like a thousand dollars, Like somebody
(07:15):
will buy the vinyl for for fifty this shit it's
on eBay or something for like twelve hundred. Were looking
at this ship like we gained mirrors painting in Japan
and and shit Paris. It's like this shit getting too crazy.
We need we need management now, you know what I'm saying.
At least gets management. And you know what I'm saying,
that's how we met Paul and all that. But that's
(07:38):
how we really got our introduction in the game, just
hustling and making our ship boutique, like you know what
I mean. It was like we was getting into this
stream era. This was in the beginning of that. We
like went against that, like fuck that, you gotta come
see me.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
We get that. Yeah, you can only get it.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
It's only one hundred and eighty seven of these, you know,
we having a one A seven on the back of
the hoodies.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
So the hoodies is getting marked up resale.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
They light took this formula from like the sneaker game
took that same formula.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
That ship man we hear today. Man, you know what
I'm saying. So went from a mission impossible to get
signed to something like that in Buffalo. Once y'all got
popping the whole Grisella, they was going out there trying
to sign your cousins. Everybody they out there, they've been
pulling up, they've been they've been pulling up because you know,
(08:28):
I'm good friends with bone Thug. They from Cleveland. That's
a little further to get on the Buffalo. And when
they started popping, they signed every cousin in Cleveland they
ever heard, they liked, didn't like. You know, this industry
is the industry. They just pull up once they know,
like Warren g he got snatched from under. He's doctor
(08:50):
Dre's stepbrother. They went out there and Leo Cohen went
to Compton. You know that's what they do. Well, came
to the School street c X to the Jets. He
wasn't scared, but you gotta get it popping. Though. One
thing I love about you guys. First of all, you
(09:11):
guys get it right. Everybody don't get it. And the
one thing I loved about you guys is, you know,
I come from digging in the crace. I come from
the underground boom bat right. But what I love about
yas y'all always invested in your fashion, in your fly.
That was a big difference Merge too. They took merg
(09:32):
to theeduct if they merged to a rocket ship and
took that ship. But my thing is fashion, right, So
I'm looking at y'all. Y'all sound beats and bombs, you know,
that's where we come from, That's where we started. And
then but you guys was like throwing that ship on
and all that, And now I could go to an
underground concert today. Not for nothing that you ain't wearing.
(09:53):
They wearing whatever you gave him free death Jam coming
out now or something. They don't give a fuck, right,
And so but these guys got it. They were like, Okay,
we're gonna be underground superstars. We're gonna throw that ship
on it. Who really started that up? That's just what
it was.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I mean, that was really the kind of the nature
of it in a sense, like but I think that's
why too, Like you know, our music and ship, like
the young young boys and shit kind of fuck with
us and and like tapped into our ship too, because
we able to able to relate to us, you know
what I'm saying, Like we we was outside doing that.
We was the niggas who was having having the Apa
(10:34):
rexs and ship on, giving them, you know what I'm saying,
a little five dollars to go to the store signing
fun me. So they looked up to us and stuff,
and I think it just kind of translates worldwide, like
like looking at them niggas, cause shit, I ain't I
ain't that young. You fuel me so young niggas tap
in and fuck with me and look at to me
like yo, what up?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Big road type ship? What up?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
So you know we'd be having that ship on and
we be talking that ship too. That's well relevant, But
over them them same type of I mean, I got
conducted in the Cut, I got Darrener and the Cut Alchemists.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I needed darn too, man, I need a couple of
darrenes man daring to get that man right, hell right, Diesel.
So many influences. You work with a lot of legends.
I mean that that's your show tested. How you get busy.
You get a lot of calls from us for me,
styles can dudes that really do music with substance. How
(11:31):
you feel about that because you don't want to work
with some of these garbage? Now, you know?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
For me, that's to me, that's the fucking that's the award,
you know what I mean, that's the to get get
my flowers from the MC's and I respect looking at that.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Like at the end of the day, I look at myself.
I'm an MC.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I'm true to this hip hop, this MCing element of it.
Everything else, Like I don't really you know what I'm saying.
I'm MC first for me, So it's like for me
to just you know, get that, get that love, get
that embraced.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
For niggas like Buster from the Chef, you know what
I mean, Starks and them niggas, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
From y'all what it is.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I remember we had our first show ever. We ain't
never sell a record or nothing. We did our first
first show.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
He was on tour.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
We did it that on I think Webster All. First
stop was in New York City and wester Hall. Man
I came to the show with Prodigy, like Prodigy was
with us hanging all day.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Ship y'all pulled up, you know what I'm saying. Ray
pulled up and performed like hell is done. That ship
was wal l It was like a real hell. I
don't think it was crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I don't know if it's been no show like that
in New York City that that feel was tight and intimate.
Since that s Obs got me that that on wester
All ship, I've been to a lot of ship's just
the love like it was graffiti and it on the wall.
I know it was all type of little box cutters
and pocket rockers in there. It was well twelve pocket
(13:08):
rockers in there, you know what I mean, A couple
of butter Knice.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
A lot of MC's that were the greatest in the game.
Didn't know how to pick beats. You guys know how
to pick beasts. I won't say their names because the
living legends you're not gonna say, don't do that already
know that ain't go. But there's some legendary artists. When
(13:32):
people ask me, you don't watch such and such a blow.
Homeboy was the nicest this and this and that. But
when you heard they beat selection, you know, just now
we was just vibing to your ship. You play like
five in the row. All them beats feel like they
shooting heir on on the street. You know, the back
room usual going down all of them. I don't know
(13:57):
the sixties.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Now I feel like that ship come from like you
know what I mean, having access sometimes when you might
have got no access to no fire. You know what
I mean, You're making the best of what you what
you what you got in front of you.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
It's like I don't been in it in the city
in times like that where the beast was, you know
what I mean? Yeah, damn. And we got darrenjer You
know what I'm saying. He was in house like I'm
sleeping on a nigga couch, you feel me, And I'm
getting asked that he making these ships on the spot.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Now we got out, We.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Got conductors and you know what I mean, different different niggas,
Like it's just the access.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
We got the resource.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Now, you know what I'm saying, Can I can ahead, Swiss,
I can ahead different niggas and get I got the resource.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Now you know what I'm saying, but as far as
like you know, that's what I put it.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
As to, like you know what you said, my legends
is said you might not have you know what I'm
meaning to reach to get no nothing crazy And then
you want to you need the money or you're trying
to push something out so bad, like fuck it. I'm
just going I'm gonna picture saying how this ship that
I got right here?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Fuck it? You know what I mean? The twelve these twelve?
What's your creative process? I know you need some zob
yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just smoking me one you
feel me? You know a lot of a lot of
a lot of reposodo.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
You know what I'm saying, some type of some type
of sports, you know what I mean, presentation on the
screen and on mute and share some beats crazy and
why myself like I just me and the engineer maybe
like one of my mans like that shit, I don't
really I don't need a party, yeah, and they probably
(15:42):
I take everybody to work with me to day.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I do what I see. I got a sweep first
yeah that yeah, same ship like you, but I gotta
sweep at the sweep sweet Actually sweep. No, it's this.
It's just like a like a full here. I gotta
sweep it ain't even dirty, it's not even nothing on
(16:06):
the floor. But you gotta sweet first before you go
as the last team. Yeah, I gotta sweep. Mm hmm,
I'm sweeping it. I'm sweeping something negativity. You right, you
right at home or you right right at the studio,
every both like a.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Lot of us that ship don't even I don't even
be hitting no pad. A lot of that ship off
the top. I mean, I ain't really free styling stick
it up.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I'm thinking of it.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I'm giving a thought smoked me one or two, and
then I'm like, all right, I might taking me in nap,
saying wake up.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, I am ready low me up, and then I
just go like that. So a lot of that ship
on that album I hadn't even wrote.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I ain't write that, write that down. I'm writing the
lyrics down now because you know, I like, yo, I
need the lyrics. I need the lyrics.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
So I gotta go back and listen and ship like damn,
what the fuck I said? You know, man, is there
a difference from being high writing lyrics or being sober
for me. Nah, for me, now, you know what I'm saying.
How people say they gotta be hot to write, do
you think it's a difference, just puts me into better
comfortable I mean sometimes you don't need for me, it's
(17:19):
really the beat. Yes, if the beat is super is
fucking incredible. I don't need nothing, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
because I used to write, and then, you know, towards
my latest stage in my career, it's more like, let
me go in the studio, throw that beat on. I
don't even want to hear it. Before that, then it's
(17:40):
just yeah, I'm just flowing this ship. Like you know.
They asked me one time, and this guy was incredible.
I was overseas on one of them tours as some
journalists from some fucking country out there. He said, man,
what's the process of writing? And I explained to him debt.
(18:01):
Once they put a fire beat on, it's like remember
when we was in kindergarten and all that, and they
would make them books that the fucking trees pop out
and all that. Yeah, the rhymes just pop out. He
was looking at me like I was crazy, but I
realized I was sounded crazy, but I was explaining it
to him. But that's how I really worked. When they
throw the beat on, you know, to me to be
(18:22):
telling me what to say, whether good or bad, happy, sad, party, whatever,
the beat always tell me what to say. That's how
it is for me. For me too, I need that
beat and they need to be in a gud space.
That beat.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
They'll wake me up on my sleep. I don't care
what fuck, what kind of states something is that be crazy.
I'm gonna stop with my try. Like I did a
song going on my last shit, I was leaving the stoody.
It was like six thirty in the morning. I've been in,
out and out of the day like four ships.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I'm drunk. I'm all, I'm on my way, I'm ready
to go to sleep. I'm leaving.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
So the producer came in. I ain't never worked with
this producer or nothing. He just plugging his shit up
while he cleaning the jointy. That's take a place, and
I'm like, I stopped at the door, like, yo, what's that?
Speaker 1 (19:06):
No? I had that and ended again on my album
was crazy. Was crazy. That's how it works with music,
And you know, they give us the least credit they
know for it being on art form. But it's it's art.
When you hear something that measurement rises you, you gotta
have it, you know what I mean? I tell you
(19:26):
all the time, this is how we do. It's Friday
night and I'm doing the fun. You go to a party,
you throw that ship? Are you rocking? I just told
Test the last time you play that all the time, man,
I mean I just told Test movie go DJ in
(19:47):
my house for my birthday. I said, Yo, bro strictly hallm.
I want to feel like I want to thank you.
I want I do not play. I need that vibe
because for some reason, I'm telling Chris today, right, I
say how they was killing dudes in that time, right,
like when you if you think about when they been
the music I'm just talking about you know, you know,
(20:10):
wait your time young man or mama used to and
you and the club and the beautiful woman that death
they dancing. I'm not talking about hip hop. How do
they get the clapping sas own money? Dudes was clapping
over their girls this this like if you think about
that time, right, that's it.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Then then then you're like, how the hell these guys
shoot the place up?
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Like what I heard? Yeah, they need they old money
that somebody fuck with somebody girl, somebody, you know, and
so they got the clapping. But you know that ship
make me happy? You know what makes you happy? Brother?
(21:05):
Maybe fucking with my dog man go down.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
You know what I'm saying, Fucking with my little bulldog,
my little French bulldog man.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Other than that, being left alone, Yeah, no phone or phone.
All he's telling I find my happiness doing that. Show
me playing a little two k or something or in
the studio. What's an adulte beat makes me happy?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
That's the right fact. What's going on with drum work?
Were getting to it? Man? I got you know Skis?
Why Jay Skis? We put him out. We started him
in like twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, but he just
did another He dropped like two ships this year. He tour,
(21:58):
He did a tour this year. I got a sk
or Man Kendricks, I got a couple of shooters, Mandy.
You know that's beautiful. We're doing news. We got this
album of compilation like an arm with all of us,
don't you know what I'm saying. Put that shit out
this ship too broadly. You know it's beautiful that people
(22:19):
don't understand. Is like when God give you the opportunity
to be the first to get on and live your
dream about and then you go back and say, all right,
I'm ship with you. Yep, you know what I'm saying.
There's nothing like that putting somebody on, helping them see
their vision go through it. And uh, that's very commendable
(22:42):
because you could just be thinking about yourself. You know,
I could think of phenomenal artists that we love to
death that never put nobody on, meaning rack wise, you know.
So when you go out your way to do that,
you know, we all get what shortcomings or we all
try to help certain people that went bad, you know
(23:03):
what I'm saying. But for the most part, that's a
beautiful thing to ship your journey and your dream with
some up and coming artists. It is that is you
know what I mean, Especially for me, like because I
was always a type of person I don't really like
I don't mesh well with everybody, Like I don't really
hang around a lot of people. I don't keep a
(23:23):
lot of I keep a small circle. So you know
what I mean for me, even you know what I mean,
just open up pause like that, like feel me and
let people just come come fuck with me, you know
what I mean, Jump in the back seat.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Man, let's let's ride up there together. It is actually
inspiring for.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
It's actually doing more for me than them. You know
what i mean, because I'm getting out of my my,
my old self, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Man,
just a short, temperate, uh hot headed type dude. I'm
just more patient with things now and I know how
to calm myself down. I'll get upset and stuff. So
(24:05):
that's why I like to be alone, like the isolation,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
What you got going any more? Touring? What's going on?
You got you going back out?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, I'm at the tour. I'm at the tour of
the States starting in November. I'm thinking at the show
at the end of October, though.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Out here I'm not sure. But yeah, I'm going back
on that road. You know. I stay on that road,
no doubt. Touching the people. Yeah, I like to man,
I like to be on that stage.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
And that's you know, fucking with my fans, man, you know,
taking them pictures and signing thirty vinyls.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
You know what I'm saying. Wait, niggas with the vinyls thing.
Got apple tags on niggas. That's a fact. You know,
where are you at them?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Niggas are like thirty hours, so they're like, Noah, I
got the mall machine, h man. But yeah, I'm going
back on roll, going back over overseas and shit, I
got some couple of shows.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
On the green. You know what I'm saying. Fire, I'm
about Mongolia. You ever been to Mongolia? That's when you
know crack trying to get the bag. Well, he go
to Mongolia. I had a dude in jail with me,
a white boy. You know, it's real ratio in jail,
but I put him down with our cool Nobody wanted them,
but I seen it. I seen the strength of him.
(25:20):
I used to call him Hong Kong's Mongolia Man. So
one day he comes up to me. A month later,
he says, hey, boss, I said, what's up? He said,
I just realized Hong Kong and Mongolia is two different places.
I said, I don't give a fuck. We lucky. I
gave you a nickname, all the fuck, Hong Kong's Monolian.
I'm going to Mongolia. That ship. That's a trip on
(25:43):
that show. Who's on there with her bag is on
the show? Who are you going there with? Superior? If
you hear fat Joe, you know I hate the flyp
you'll be firing Mongolia. Is this sh ship like eight
hours after China or something? Wow, ship, it's a mission.
I gotta go to Dubai. From Dubai to China, then
(26:05):
Monk Golden stop in Dubai. Do I pick up a
couple of you know, bags? And then you know what's up? Man?
You know what's going on. You know what I'm saying.
But you know that's that goalie man that ship far
as fuck. We're gonna see what it is. Where you've
been at where the fans was the craziest about y'all?
(26:27):
Everywhere niggash Man. Probably the way you didn't probably probably
in Greece probably, Uh, South America. South America is Daisy,
It was crazy, bro.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
South America is it's a whole It's electricity, man, it's
a whole different type of energy.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Sh sh insane. All the shoulders shows. The line was
around two blocks. I got promoter. Your promoter was.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I didn't do so good. Yeah, I'm gonna keep it rid.
That's one of the only places I ain't do good. Look,
I sell my ship out all the time. Boy, I
went to South America. That ship was light work. But
I've seen Wu Tang go out there and that'sh it wasmonios.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
And I was like, damn, I must have went with
a whack promoter. No, that was crazy when promoter, Yeah,
we need that guy. That was insanity out there and
do wow whoa shot? The video out there and bo
Guitar ship man were just out there. That's ex videos
(27:40):
in bol Guitar. You're doing ship well.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
The danger element was was definitely profound though in and
out her you got that shot. Let's get out of
there and go go.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Contels over there abducting people in all type bol guitar.
His name in Deecay, in Glee Kate, you know in
gaygate Gon.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Do you want me to tell a story? Do you
want me to tell a story? I got one to
hear me. So they paid me wow money to go
to Columbia, like wow money, right, and they did like
stadiums and they were empty. They had a little five
hundred thousand people. Shit supposed to have ten fifteen thousand people.
(28:29):
I walk in after the second show in the hotel
and fly hotels. This guy flew the bag and I
see his workers just looking like man nervous and shit,
you know, people who are being nice to me and
all that. And he was over there talking to him
like this. I walked over, send my wife upstairs. I
wanted my wife. I was like, Yo, what's up, buppy?
(28:50):
He said, what's up? I would like to take at
a bet with nails in it and put it in
your ass, turn it inside, said far the rock. So
I'm like, take a back with nails and turn it
in your ass. I want to hang you upside down?
(29:15):
And did he start talking all this in Colombia? Right,
So I get it. He lost a super bad with
just what he paid me. Then he had to rent stadiums.
He thought Fat Joe was gonna be paying pneumonium and
ship was light work, right, So he talking crazy Tony
(29:35):
Montana shit. But I tell him when he finished, I say, yo,
you know what, man, you missed your calling. You should
be in Hollywood writing them scripts because the ship you saying, no,
I'm not gonna lie shit phenomena like you got that ship,
you know, But me, I don't give a fuck. I'm
not really scared of you, ma man. So it is
(29:56):
what it is. You should stop all getting with your think.
I go upstairs. The next day we go to medi Ying.
My daughter grew up with a little girl since they
was in kindergarten. Her father comes to school and all
events I know in Columbian. Man dressed nice, nice, most
(30:17):
decent guy. This this that he invited us to his
house and meda Ying. So we got four cops our security.
We get to the block to the hill because it's
up on a mountain, and there was like, big mistake,
You're not going to I said, yeah, I'm going up there.
He was like, no way, no way. I'm like senor
(30:39):
such and such as my friend. He said, he's your friend,
is my friend? We go up there. Bro. They made
I don't know if you know what sun culture is.
They made a pot of sun culture suit. This ship
was like a human could fit in there. They was
like this. Then they had a living room, a living
room with a glass opens you you was you wasn't
(31:03):
with us ass and the horses was doing fossa finos
doing the horses you see with the tricks and this
and this and that. It was in the living man
they had a swimming pool of horses. They were swimming
and shit in the living room. So imagine how we
watched NFL. They got the horses topping doing this and
this and that. Right, I never seen no ship like this.
I've never been a part of this. I get back
(31:25):
to the hotel. The promoter dude just told me he
wants to shove a bat and my ass flipped me
himself for you, why didn't you tell me? You know,
mister moll, I said, I didn't even know he was
that dude. He's in Miami, undercovered, nicest guy, and he
(31:50):
looked like ghosts, like ghosts. He's the Colombian ghosts. When
I go over there, he was say, why you don't
sell me? You know, mister life. I say, my guys,
my hurry for everything I said the day before, I'm
so sorry. I said, nah, not so good. Brother sow
(32:11):
love and I happened to know the god by mistake.
That's my Columbia story that I was a girl. I
was a girl. What else you got going on outside
of music? Now? You like the advest I know you
like it. You got the label, you do, the merch,
you do ship, you got any cannabis.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
You got some cannabis. We got some we got some
drawn work exotics. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
We got I'm writing a little short film fire about
the about the dibble in the podcast space. No doubt.
I got some bad I got like some fool ship
like fool review ship to another another little space like that,
and just getting We're getting more artists. It's still a foodie. Yeah,
(32:58):
only certain ship that anything or certain turning away. Yeah,
you know. I went to uh Thimeland. We did uh
Rolling Loud. We did Rolling Loud and Thiland High that one.
I wanted to do that, all right, but listen, it is.
(33:19):
It's a little bit of a culture shock or whatever.
But the point is he I stood in the hotel.
I was scared. I'm gonna keeping like them. You don't know.
If I was in the fanciest record the hotel, you
could be it. Man. This ship was incredible. But I
was scared to eat, like if it wasn't like eggs
and turkey. Bit I was not eating this ship. Sure enough,
(33:41):
I go on Instagram and little Uzzi is eating like
a fucking fucking rot roach or some ship. That ship
went v I said, I am not leaving this fucking room.
I'm sitting here watching see it the regulars ship breakfast,
the fucking listen. The hotel was at a control fly.
(34:04):
You know, I'm sitting my sweetest head, CARDI B's head,
little WOZI like everybody with somebody. So the ship was
too fly. But I was scared, with no disrespect. I
was scared to like try ship like going the street.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
And that's how you still got your festival. Yeah, I
stuck got the festal shy. I mean that ship, that
ship was Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah, yeah, that's old festival. Yeah,
drum work fast.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
We did it for a couple of years and show
we're gonna rebooth that I mean, probably bring it back
twenty six, twenty six, you know I did it two
three weeks from now, and yeah, saying that buffalo's God
coming throat. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, hip hop
and no your chest you got God coming man, shout
(34:52):
out to my ball and should have went the heck.
You know, my ship's symmetric, my ship. You can look
at this ship through deep from every you see what
I gotta deal with. I should have went the heck.
His wedding is that same day, and I can't make
it because I got that show with it was the time,
but shout out should have went the heck and his
wife to be. How do you meet Alchems just on Twitter?
(35:16):
Like he heards once? I know you could spit. He'll
reach out the exactly why and like he he t
a guy like people was tagging me. He didn't even
know my Twitter handle. I ain't evenly have that many
followers or nothing. I had just started the page and
he was he's seen a free styles saying I was
on YouTube like yo, you created old d m me
(35:37):
the number, like yo, let's late next time you come
to l A come through. And we did that and
the rest was rest was history. Love Alchemists, Bro. I'm
glad everybody you know he always was that dude, but
I'm glad they're acknowledging it now when they see in
his greatness, you know, you know, guy like al comit
(36:00):
quiet real hip hop and how he's doing Erikabadu album.
I listened to the Freddie Gibbs album. I listened to,
you know, pretty much anything he got to do with.
I tuned in on Alchemist. What was the big moments
for you, like who did you meet? What was the
time that someone came up to you and just said,
(36:22):
like you guys, oh man probably probably oh, probably hope.
He was doing that show on LA and he pulled up. Yeah,
he just pulled up like there was at a game
or some shit. Sohoon. We crossed the straight at the
stables and Nigga just pulled up. Watch the show like
(36:43):
I'm performing on Go for a time. Look He's standing
there on the stage. Just watch it. I'm like, Yo,
my bugging now you even though it happened, don't do
I mean I invited him to thirty six birthday part.
He ain't never put out. Yeah, KD. You know what
(37:05):
I'm saying. I Nigga pulled on to a show I
was tapped in, just like knowing the music easy money, Sniper,
he loves he love hip hop, hip hop. We got
some dope beats too. Yeah, KD produced. I ain't know
that KD k KD one of them dudes that if
I big him up a certain he'll dis me on Twitter.
(37:26):
You know. I keep telling you certain guys that when
I big them up, they're this me for the culture.
They'll be like, yo, crack for this. I don't really
know about that. This like I got a selective list
now that I could big up. You can't even big motherfuckers. Oct.
Twenty t Waite Big up JD. Man, that's my boy
trying to tell you I big them up. Yo. I
(37:46):
never seen a better dude at the rock of this
this that you cat crack that they did. I'm like, yo,
this god like I can't. I don't know. Man. We
in the media space now, so we ain't in the
rapping space. You got the hoodie yon still chilling. We
out here talking to dude. Sometimes our big dudes up
and they come at me like, fuck that, that's not
(38:09):
how And I'm man, I big you up though, I'm like,
what the fuck? So KD. I remember that jay Z
You know what I mean? Yeah, that went viral. Hold
pull up your man, west Side gun Man. I love
this guy, man. He I remember going down Tom Squared
(38:30):
and he had the whole the big billboy, but he
had the balenci Like that motherfucker he want to dress
right like I love that ship, like he got that
fucking BALESSI yaga three carters shit on this with the back.
I'm like, I had to step out the car because
you know that ship hip hop, But that's that ship
(38:51):
right there. You know what I'm saying, So shout out
your man west Side Gunner, Benny. You guys, you know
pretty much. You guys just restored the feeling right a
void that was really really missing. And even guys who
felt like you, who are nice like you, they chose
(39:12):
the other route, trying to be the gimmick or the
new or the this or the that. Microwaves shit, Michael
waves shit, and y'all just said, you know what we're going,
beats and rhymes, and and then you caught everybody like
a whole that loves real hip hop, the essence, the
purity because it's very rare with the youth to see
(39:36):
somebody because that is the harder route to beat some rhymes, correct,
because the overnight success is the gimmick shit. You understand
what I'm saying, but you know not to say some
of them ain nice, Oh my god, some of them.
You know, I'm overnight. It's not it's not too many overnights,
(39:59):
you know, but that's what we feel like like pain.
There was a huge void there, you know what I mean.
And guys who were doing. What you were doing never
really took off. And so when y'all start taking off
and y'all start creating your own ship, we loving that legacy.
(40:28):
Where do you see yourself drum work for Zelda in
the next five years? Rich? Like y'all rich, I count
everybody pocketing you come in with a yash, come in
(40:48):
with a staff for five count everybody he.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Got the fuck that had the bucket low like fuck it, dope,
he got some money this guy.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
How important is it to give back? You know what
I mean? Showing that the younger, the what they call
these guys, the hyans in Buffalo, that you know you
can make it. It's some hope, there's some sense of encouragement.
It's extremely important, man, because especially coming from Buffalo or
we ain't ad that, we ain't had nobody to give us,
(41:18):
no no advice, no encouraging words, or even show us
a blueprint. How to you know what I'm saying, make
it in that space. So it's important, you know what
I mean, That's what it's all about. You know what
I mean? You uh, you can't take none of this
ship with you, man, but you're gonna leave it here.
(41:38):
You can leave a liar get back. So I don't
want it. I don't want it to end. You know
what I'm saying. What we was able to accomplish for
the city of Buffalo and the whole upstate. You know
what I'm saying. I don't want it to end with
just us.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
So we gotta we gotta you know what I'm saying,
Gonna have pour it back in, put it back in
the part feel me.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Yeah, Like I said, I seen Wanda, I've seen Tyrone,
I've seen Juneba. All the crack AADs from eighty eight
in that Buffalo went up there. They shipped them up.
I'm telling you. I was outside in Buffalo. I said,
God damn, got the fucking Bronx crackeads up here. So
(42:22):
let me let me ask you something in the streets perspective, right,
could you said one of y'all was always in jail?
I never heard that perspective. So, being from Buffalo enough
state jails. Yeah, but all the jails are up there, right,
and so like when you go Bigger crew, I wonder
if they send them down did they send us up there?
(42:45):
This is the question, do you go to jail upstate
with everybody you grew up with is all, y'all, Like deeper,
it would be a lot of buffalo niggas in state
pens and even the cops like here, we can't relate
to them. Right. So if you and RK as Island,
you got some black Spanish cops stay talking to you
(43:05):
like black and Spanish cops. Then you go up north
and that's that's what you're dealing with, the baby. But
you're already dealing with them, y'all living So, y'all, y'all
know Uncle Tom, Yeah, Scott, No, that's a fan. I
never know. Every time I went upstate to visit somebody,
(43:28):
I always thought of like, it's there like a Buffalo crew?
Are Upstate crew? That they're right there there there across
the street. Now, I don't want to go there. Don't
do that to me. I'm not good with the cold.
I'm a sunshine motherfucker that blows up. My brother did
time up state, man, motherfucker. I don't give a fuck
(43:50):
what clothes you sent them. That motherfucker was cold. He'd
be like, yo, Joe, I ain't going outside this ship cold.
A couple of artists, you ain't gotta say top five,
but a couple of artists to pave the way for
you that you that you know, you consider living legend.
You know you really fuck what they work. It's plenty
(44:13):
of It's plenty, you know what I mean. It was
just like recent like i'ma say, I'm gonna say, like,
let's say my nigga Mars Rock Marcy, Yeah, shout out
to rock Musky. I'm gonna say my nigga Sauce Walker likes.
Walker's nice to you. Hey, Jada, why you always act
(44:36):
like I'm I'm just saying, that's a great I like him.
I like him, I like I like I like I
like her, I like g Herbal he is my nigga.
Can't lotty. You just had a show with Vegas. When
I walked off stage, they played the record and I
had to ask, like four or five, who's that? Who's that?
(44:57):
Who that? And then it was like, yo, that's gee, Herbal.
I was no Herb like that. Herb was nice, verb nice.
That record kind of like touched the third rap, saying
every now and then the record, you hear a song
and that ship touched the third rap. This ship crazy.
That's your guys. Yeah, right now, that's what That's what
(45:19):
I'm listening to on fucking right now. You know what
I'm saying. Yeah, listen to our clips. You know you
know you know ship that's out right now. You already
know that. Go to that show, James. You call me
by everything else. You ain't telling me the clips was
here too. I was sitting on the couch, I was
(45:40):
doing apps. You text all these shows and then tell
us that the clips. Bro, you think we wasn't fucking
pulling up. You gotta be out of fuck it like
this ship. I wanted to be in attendance. I don't
want vi P. I would have been writing the crowd
loving this show, real hip hop shit. James. You see
(46:01):
when I say they be trying to do ship to
me like I'm trying to go to the I'm going
with the family to the Bad Bunny concert. And I
got the call. I ain't really want today even though
it's nothing but love, But I got the call, Yo,
we don't want you to see people. We're gonna take
you through the house where you get the free drinks
with the I thought we was gonna be in the crowd,
like you know, eipe either they don't want to if
(46:25):
we starts to pull off at this clip. See humans, Nah,
they ain't let me see humans. You think I'll be
joking about that ship? They just gave me the call
urge you coming. No human was gonna no humans gonna
slip you in backstage, put you through the I'm like,
I thought I was gonna really act up. You know
what I'm saying. But yeah, the clips Clips album is
(46:48):
he's uh, man, I hope, I hope what they did
just Beats and Rhymes continues to do the numbers they did.
Now everybody want to make up hoax and this and that.
Some boys did numbers, you know what I'm saying for
not commercial lies like you guys, you'll ever do it?
Something with like Selena Goldmez and ship like that. I
(47:09):
would love. So I can't wait. So are you ready? Yeah? Yeah,
I've hung out for a couple of times. I definitely
threw that on the table with my man. Cloth is like, yeah, man,
we gotta we gotta get in that studio together. You
know what I'm saying. I see it, I see you
(47:30):
know me, I'm you know, you know I started Underground
Brother and my dream was to be a big artist
in the Superstar and the minute, and I got the opportunity.
I did it. You know what I'm saying, And you
know I get it. I see what you're saying. I'm
fuck with that. Everybody don't fuck with that. Just everybody don't.
(47:54):
The gods did not get the fuck out of here.
So you got a new album and this stroke deal
with rock Nation. Told us about that bag delicious. You
can't kill God with bullets? Uh about to drop that?
Ship Man? It was like, I said, what don't kill
God with bullets? These titles? It was important for me
(48:16):
to you know, dow this a part of my chapter
to be with rock Nation and you know what I'm saying,
and bring my album, bring my business over here with them.
You know what I'm saying. Ship Let now should let
you know what I mean? Bettc Man belt the Kolo
Seasons put giving belt Man, be not surprised. I ain't
(48:42):
think of that one right pull Poppy, We're gonna whip
your ass. How is your relationship with God? The most High?
Or God is the greatest Man? That was the greatest
say of the guys in the back, God is the
greatest man. There for the back of the congregation. You
(49:04):
know that's how I feel right. So if God forbid,
I got shot right now and I got five seconds,
I'm praying to God. That's that's how much belief and
faith I having God, or some guys don't want to
pray to it. It's what I'm trying to tell you
is I've seen the God preaching in the UK and
a man took his time to stop and argue with him.
(49:26):
That's fake. This you preaching faith? You this this is
you know, It's good to see because I've never seen
that before. I never seen somebody, you know, have that
energy and that perspective against God. But some guy was
they were just arguing with the guy in the UK,
was like, hey, God told me to tell you he
loves you. This is that we don't care we about
(49:48):
you know what. This is the opposite side of that.
So you know to know that God is the greatest
you know, it's the greatest key to have. I mean
for me, you know what I'm saying that you know,
artist everything to me, But for real, what's all it's
a great duties. This guy crazy with Jada crazy, y'all
(50:13):
think I'm crazy? He witty like a man. Now I
know why you top five because you be shooting me
every episode like this. Never shoot from the sun. Hey Joe,
what about the wags? What I'm looking at this? This
guy other, you will destroying me other than a leg deal?
(50:36):
Whether get you a deal? Then you go? This is
did what hundred million for the cave? Now? This guy's insane?
But brother man, we like to thank you for taking
the time off pulling Gil God wait will it's check
it out? Look forwardy down with rock Nation, dish Bro
drum work is coming with Elders already here. You know
(50:57):
what we're doing. Fuck, he's BTC felt the cooler. I
got to tell you we sit down and thank god,
a whole bunch of artists want to sit on the
blue couch. And my business partner, I gotta say, y'all
think we're doing good and fat Jo crazy. But this guy,
(51:21):
he's very selectful with the artist to sit on the couch.
He got a problem. He turns down guys just big
and your name came up and in one second he
was like, yo, one hundred percent, we need to do that,
you know me? For a guy like me, I look up,
(51:43):
I don't even say nothing. I ain't even because I
don't think that ever happened when someone that's mentioned and
he's like, I just look up, Okay, stay down.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
I guess we got a show because it got on
coach who he's a hard one to catch. Sometimes everybody
come up the same thing with it. But you want
to Jo, don't say nobody's damn yo yo kiss. He
ain't ship man.
Speaker 1 (52:12):
Let me tell you I think he's a nice guy.
He's got diabolical boy he got I just be like,
you don't. I don't listen, bro. We just want you
to know we love you. Know you should to the game.
Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise to Conway the machine right,
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