Fat Joe and Jadakiss devote today’s episode to discussing Jim Jones’ recent take that being a rapper is the most dangerous job in the world. Joe and Jada share stories they have surrounding several gone-to-soon hip hop legends like Tupac, The Notorious B.I.G., Big Pun, Big L, and more. Jada tells Joe about how he and The Lox were on their first trip to Los Angeles on the fateful night that Biggie died, and Joe shares a wild story of himself and Big Pun getting into trouble in LA and bringing protection that year’s Grammy Awards. They also discuss Joe’s falling out with Justin Bieber, Tory Lanez getting attacked in jail, their top-five hip hop producers, as well the untimely passings of recent hip hop stars like Nipsey Hussle and Pop Smoke. Joe and Jada give advice to the younger generation of rappers on how to stay healthy and out of trouble.
03:00 - Is hip hop the most dangerous job?
08:00 - Jada on Biggie, Joe & Pun at the Emmys
26:00 - Joe's falling out with Justin Bieber
36:00 - How Joe & Jada met Tupac
41:45 - Streaming scams artists
51:00 - Advice for younger generation
56:30 - Top 5 producers
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
What's up, yalls? Your boy Jada speak Joe Krack the Dawn.
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Jada Wright, We've been all pretty much talking about sports, lifestyle, culture,
and so this one I said, let's dig in to
(01:11):
a statement that our brother Jim Jones said a while
back that just stood with me forever. He said, hip
hop is the most dangerous job in the world. Do
you agree with that or disagree? What are your thoughts
with that? And they will take it from there.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Hip hop is definitely not hip hop being an artist
in a hip hop artist, producer, whatever, what have you.
It's very dangerous, definitely one of the top most dangerous
jobs you can have.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
You should have top five that are alive. You know,
I'll be seeing guys out there fishing for lobsters and
dudes doing putting tar on the floor and Phoenix and
a hundred degrees, Why you gotting me so what. I'm
trying to paint the picture of some serious jobs out there.
But top on the jar. The worst job I ever seen.
(02:13):
It was Phoenix one hundred and thirty degrees. And the
guy was dressed like a hot dog and.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
He here we go again.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
The man had the hot dog suit on. It must
have been the ac and there because yo, listen, he
was flipping you know how they do the arrow like yo,
hot dogs this way. It's crazy, Yo, I'm telling you
that was a dangerous job. To me. It's so hot
in Phoenix. I see the steam coming up off the
floor and I looked at the guy with the hot
(02:44):
dog uniform. I say, yo, my man, like this is
it's some crazy jobs out there. Write some law enforcement
to say they got the hardest job. People shooting at
them every day. Whatever the case. But hip hop, you know,
they bring you up, they glorify you, break you down,
break you down, and then they hate sets it. And
(03:08):
what I've known in my studies, a hip hop with
violence is you and me. Maybe you a little bit
less because you know you're one of the most loved
rappers in the world. But the chances are will be
murdered and yonkers are in the Bronx before Compton or
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Chicago or something like that. It's always where you from,
where people think they know you that much and they
got the real jealousy and envy. You see Nipsey Hustle,
the guy who killed them, He's in pictures standing behind
Nipsey Hustle. We could do that with all the hip
hop Jamster J was set up by his own friends, right,
(03:52):
So what is it that where you from and we
go you? You represent yonkers across the world. We represent that.
I represent the Bronx to the moon. Why is it
they want to kill me in the Bronx more than
anywhere else? Why they want to do it to you
where you from?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I think all they hate you can receive is nothing
more than where you came from.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
As much as they love you, they hate you, I
think ten times more because they feel like they really
know you. Opposed to other demographics, of the world. You
know what I mean, as dudes in the VX that's
like I know that name before you when he was
just regular Joey or whatever it is. And then that
that shuts in and it turns into a thing that
(04:41):
keeps growing. It's like a hate cancer. And then it
spreads and then it you know what I mean, And
then I know what it is because as much as
they see people happy for you, that shit makes the
hate cancer spread even more. And then they able to
sh spread it to some other dudes that feel like that,
(05:03):
and then it gets it stays crazy, and so what
you say, funerals though, A couple of funerals, a couple
of a couple of mirrors, just like, yeah, a couple
of mirrors, a couple of funerals, Mommy raps ship like that.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
And then it get it goes back down to it.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
You know. I started with Scott of Rock. I was
just a teenager. I was just a teenager playing basketball.
I was in my grandmother's block of Washington Avenue, the nine,
and it just was like this before Instagram, guys, before
social media, and it was just like yo, yo, Scott
of Rock got shot, he got killed. Scot Labrock, Bad
(05:42):
People's everything to me, and yeah, we grew up violent,
but that hurt me because I was like, these was
the guys putting on for our neighborhood and couldn't believe
somebody killed them senseless murder, which was the one that
at all all the hip hop, which is the one
that got you and you was like wow, like I
(06:04):
can't believe this happened.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
By far for me, it's big my first time the Locks,
it was our first time in LA.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
The big guy killed, so that was out there. He
was at the party. We was with them before the
day before. We you know, we was in his Like
did you have time at one da.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Did you not feel like it was dangerous being in LA?
And he had the East Coast West Coast beef and
I felt.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
It was dangerous, But we really didn't know how to
we know what I'm saying. We we didn't know what
was really going on. We knew that ship was going on,
but we didn't we never been there. We thought we
was heavily protected. We thought we was good, you know
what I mean. We thought we was the same way.
I mean, we kind of was because we was with
(06:53):
we had Bad Boy and we had D and them
we had a different kind of arm. Even the gage
with us, we had extra actually shut out to d a.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Nice pig Jay.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
You know, they saved my life, Ice pig Jay, you
saved my life. When I heard that story, that's a
real story. It was gonna get me. And you know,
I had a lot of beef with the West Coast.
I'm probably and we're not stirring nothing up, but I'm
probably the only rapper from New York that had physical
beef with the West Coast, like real physical war. It
(07:24):
went down right. So when I go over there, me
and pun out there for the Grammys, there's a million
cop cars in the street, and you know, it was
like gang beef. So they had a guy with Jerry
Carls a bubble goose. It was hot as hell and
the gun was to his I don't know how there's
(07:46):
one million cops out here. They don't see the guy
old dog from the fucking menace to society, like the
man in the middle of the street dripping the fucking
Jerry carle juice with a machine gun with a bubble
in the summer, and we don't rat. But I'm looking
like Jesus Christ don't nobody see it. And he looked
(08:08):
at me like he could not go back to the
hood without clapping Fat Joe not clapping killing me. He
had a machine gun. And so it's a million cops
out there. I fucked up because we had the man say,
we had stripp We knew whatever was gonna happen, you know,
don't go out over there, and we still like dummies,
went out shout out. My brother tone patron held it down,
(08:31):
all of us. And so I'm sitting out there and
the guy's dead. There's a girl standing next to me,
and she sees what's going on, and she looks at
me and says, a girl from New York. She said, now,
I'm sorry. She was like, Joe, I'm sorry, I'm sorry
this is happening to you, Like she could probably see
like deaf in my face, like the guy was. He
(08:53):
was trying to figure out how to shoot me and
get away from the one thousand cops, but he couldn't
go back to his food without shooting me. So he
was like he looked like a dog in rage. And
then out of nowhere the door opens and D comes out,
and d comes out. He's like, yo, crack, what's up
this and that? And I looked at him. I said, yo,
(09:16):
D from the rough riders. He looks over there, and
general looks over there. He looks back and he said,
that's for you. Crap. I said, yeah, it's for me.
He said, Yo, ice Pick is gonna turn this corner
in a white van. Y'all better just get in there,
get out of here, right. So the van pull up.
(09:37):
Ice Pick adn't even know he was saving us, right,
he was coming around to get d. The van pull up.
We got in that bitch like the fucking painting from
Good Times. You remember Good Times, they have to sit
where everybody was dancing sideways and shit like that good time. Like, Yo,
we slid in that motherfucker. Yo. God was with us.
(09:58):
It was crazy. It was like six seven of us.
We got in that bitch and left in the van
and looked back. That guy was so confused. He then
where the fuck we went? Because it was like two
crowded we got in the van. I was like, yo,
I think, thank you saved my life. You don't understand this.
He was like, what happened? I'll say you old nigger
had the machine gun. He ready to clap us this.
(10:19):
He told us to get in there. So he took
us to the mansion, which a couple of blocks away.
After that, we would say we went to the Grammys
with guns on us, Me and Big Pun. That picture
that you see us looking like superheroes. We actually had
hammers on us in the Grammys. Because that was too much.
We stepped outside. The point is the danger, you know,
(10:43):
is always there. I think of Big L. Right, yeah, yeah,
I'm saying he would not her a fly. Big L
Gamble ron have fun, never bothered the human being in this.
He loved, he chilled, he was funny, my little brother.
(11:05):
And they murdered him on the block that he talked
about in every one of his roles one three nine.
I remember rushing up there when they told me I
was at D and D camer numbers outside. I'm outside.
They still got the body on the floor, right, And
so he got murdered on his block. Same thing with
(11:26):
jam as to Jay. And so you say to yourself,
you say, you know, we worked so hard to bet ourselves.
At the end of the day, you got something to say.
You rap, You want to rap about whatever you want
to rap about. You want to show the world you're
the best rapper, then obviously we get financially smart till
we see that there's money out here, we're figuring out
(11:47):
how to do this. I think Backer in the day
was more celebrated. Yeah, I think that Backer in the day,
old school, it was more celebrated. So we saw the hustlers,
We see everybody showing they shit off and they inspired us.
But over the years, with social media and all that,
(12:08):
I think it's like a bittersweet because it's small people
looking at you with jealous size and hatred.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
That's definitely. I think technology definitely plays a part of
it because before you it was just you a heare
of the boy George's and whoever it is that was
in Queens or Harlem or it was. You might can
see them if you could make it to the Fever
or the one of them parties or the rooftop or
some shit like, you might have a chance to get
(12:38):
a glimpse of somebody. But other than that, you just
heard who was getting busy in the Bronx Ohio or
Queens of Brooklyn, and it didn't put the hate the
cancer they hate cancer couldn't spread. Now you can just
scroll down and the switch can hit on any social
media platform, you know what I mean. You can look
(12:59):
on Facebook, go on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok. They can create
their own narrative of hate. Now somebody can just say
I don't like fat Joe and just make a old
page and the whole shit of you.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Tell me about it. Didn't do that back and that
that happens to everybody. And what's crazy is if we
take it to modern day, skip a couple of errors.
These kids are like getting murdered on video like Nipsey
USO got I.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Think three things on video now crack. That's the old anything.
But everybody even was going like this, or is.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
An eye in the sky.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
That pole has a camera that goes to the White House.
The leaves on that trees is connected the Aubany. It's
really no fucking way to do anything right.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Now post it.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Back in the days, you had to see somebody somewhere
passing that juke man or in the train station or
sneaking store club, and then it would go down. If
you wasn't there, nobody got killed, or if they did,
it just happened. Is now before your family know the
whole world. It's crazy. Well, I walk the track at
(14:12):
Kincerko Dain one Day's an old lady, she's working out,
She's coming down. I'm going up. An elderly lady that's
working out is coming down. Two young chicks is coming there.
The lady because the stairs is tilted a little. The
lady tripped, loses a fluinity and goes off to the side.
Oh to the woods, Grandma. Now the girls is in
(14:36):
front of me. I'm thinking they gonna go get us.
First thing they do phone me Yo, yeah, crazy, I
gonna help all dust off, curse them out a little bit,
keep going.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Up the stair.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
But I'm like, this is a shape. This lady was
seventy something eighty some years old.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
One thing I take pride in right privacy. No, no,
not not one thing. I take pride in this dead
just like you. No matter how successful we are, we
move around in the hood, get a lot of respect.
And so one thing I love doing is supporting the
community and supporting the local businesses. So whether it's Melbourne's
(15:14):
in Harlem or the ball Heeo and Ease Treemont in
the Bronx, support a Rican wrestaurant, I'm in there. Pharmacy
for life and SCARSDA pharmacy for life, jusus for life.
But what I'm saying to you is one day I'm
in East Treemont in the ballhe yo, and two people
starting to get down. My daughter. I can't lie to you.
(15:35):
She little house on the prairie. We see this regular
guys arguing no elevator. Whatever she don't know is she
just like and we in the hood. But she looked
like little house on the prairie, a little fur white hat.
They knew this girl ain't from around here, right, But
(15:56):
two girls start arguing. They about to fight. They in
the Puerto Rican joint, you know, one of my favorites.
And I'm eating and like it's seventy eighty old lady
got up, pulled out her camera and said, world star,
world star. Eighty y old lady got up and then
(16:17):
threw the camera in my face because.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I'm in the building. She got like.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Eighty Yeah, I think the barber. I think the barber.
She for she know what time it is you getting
the car on? You know every young person's raps. Like
I met your aunt in City Island. She was telling
me records and rats. They love Nellie, I mean, but
she was telling me Yo, the Cold Rocks. She was
(16:43):
throwing words, so I knew she loved hip hop. My
aunt's like that too, But I don't think my aunt's
gonna get up and go world star. Like the lady
got up and said what yo. I had a moment
with myself. I sat there, said, Yo, this is going
It's like the Maury Show on the streets.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Now it turns off.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
It never turns off.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
That's another thing why I say we had the best
area of music because we had privacy all of the
memories of shit that happened, and gotta stay in the bring,
you know what I mean. It was not a bunch
of as soon as they sent something, mad phones go out.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Man.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Let me tell you something. They murdered Nipsey Hustle on video.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
They murdered anybody on video. Damn man that left.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
The last year since shit was you know what I'm saying, Yo, Jada,
we should do a podcast on how dangerous hip hop's
are is. It's like the voice hit the Instagram and
immediately the first thing I did, I opened Instagram and
they got the young brother in Detroit two days ago,
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Skiller Skiller baby, and they shoot at him twenty five times.
He gets hit a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Three they hit him three times.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I go up a little bit more. I see my mayor,
Rod Wade, who sings nothing for positivity. He was the
first one that almost got it right. He was saying,
I'm a retire I made enough money, go chill with
my family. He gets arrested for all type of felonies
and shit like that. I believe he's innocent. I don't.
I just believe he's innocent, right, But in the hip hop,
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why does it feel like you know? I always thought
of yo, we got in this game to get about
the dangers of the hood, or better our lives and
better our community and our friends and whatever the case
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(19:55):
don't used to talk to me all the time. Justin Bieber,
Justin Bider. No, Justin Bieber, we do every now and then.
But Justin Bieber. I'm gonna tell you what fucked me
up with Justin Bieber. Justin Bieber gets arrested just driving
crazy around Miami. Our rest in Peace courted me up
(20:18):
and says, yo, they looking for somebody to bail out
Justin Bieber. It wasn't no money. It was nothing a
couple of hundred dollars, one thousand dollars. We used a
rich players girl to bail them out. So I bail
out Justin Bieber one hundred dollars. This is It's because
it was in Miami and he didn't have no money
(20:39):
at the time. No, he got money, but he ain't
no crime. To the point we bailed the man.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Hold on, we got young, you build out justin baby
rich and fuck it.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
He always been.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
What happens is we all got friends in common, and
they was like, we're not about bills. Player at the
time was Dayton Domodi, the Bell bondsman, and so we
just got it was about nothing. I'm trying to tell you,
I'm not trying to get cut off of this. This
is nothing. The problem is he calls me to thank
(21:13):
me and start saying, Yo, I'm againster.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Now since he got arrested. Shit, now he was in traffic,
well he got arrested.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Speeding, right, but he started telling me he's a gangster. Joe.
I went to Joe at this, I said, Yo, justin listen, bro,
you gotta stop like this, not no straight up, you
gotta stop like we don't want you gangster, We want
you singing baby baby this. And I think he took.
I think if I would have gassed him like some
(21:43):
of these og gang guys gas the young kids, h'd
him in like fat Joe. But I hit him with
the YO, we don't want you on the news, bro,
we don't want you getting arrested. We want you to succeed.
You're justin Bieber. My daughter worships you. We all love you.
And that kind of messed up my relationship with him
at that moment because he really.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Was like he wasn't try that shit.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Nah, he was just like he felt like, you know, yo,
this guy, you know I'm the funk killer fucked up
the moment. The problem is we can't glorify going to
jail or getting arrested to the and these rappers acting
like it's some sexy shit, because I know that the
most I was intimidated, right, I walk into jail right,
(22:29):
and I'm not scared of nobody. And I swear to you, Jada,
you will not see I'm not scared of no man,
not even boyman, not the Boogeyman either. But I walk
in this jail and there's two thousand guys, Arian Nation, Jamaicans, Haitians,
Puerto Ricans. They all cock Diesel. The ship is like
(22:51):
the movie Metal And when they see me, it's like
the Game of Thrones to drag him without fight. They
screaming like like I never heard no shit like this.
It's almost like a hundred motorcycle screeching and went they
jumping from all over. I'm like, I'm fat Joe before
(23:13):
a rap rap a walk up in that jail. He fooled.
I already know. Walking up in there, I said, oh man,
somebody's gonna run up on me real quick with the knife,
talking about yo, you got to pay whatever whatever. And
I actually got intimidated. And while I'm walking to mysel,
I gotta talk to myself, and I never gotta talk
(23:33):
to myself. I gotta tell you every day, no, no, no,
talk to myself like, Yo, Joe, you ain't pussy. Don't
fall of this ship, Yo Joe, don't let niggas play you.
Like I'm walking to myself, giving myself a prep talk
in my mind because it's two thousand guys screaming at
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one guy. I'm not even from there. It's not New York,
it's not I'm in Miami, so I don't even know
one person.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
To you. You did tell me it's DC.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, because they threw the change up, I'm supposed to
go to New York. Now, this is the bragging part.
I had three hundred guys waiting for me in every
jail with New York legendary, you know, give us speeches
when he comes through here. This we had that, our Banians,
whatever you name, they was all waiting for Joe Crack
in the jails in New York and Jersey. I'm being jail. No,
(24:28):
I'm being honest with you. Last minute on a Saturday,
I'm thinking the Borough of Prisons is hearing all this
ship switch and sh shut him down there because he
lived right down there. They sent me the rusty ass
dirty building. I'm like, oh my god, so I had
to walk up in there. The point is it's intimidating
(24:50):
you being an artist going in jail. We talk about
Tory Lanes. They was not playing with Tory Lanes. I
do not know. When you get too lungs collap, they
stab you in your head, stab you in your chest.
Step they try to really murder Tory Lanes. But it's
nothing cute about it. I don't care how you look
(25:13):
at it. But why Tory Lanes? Why you think he
had all the presidents had to get stabbed up fourteen
times and all that.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Sure, he ain't the only person who got stabbed up
over there, right, Yeah, I understand that over there. It's
probably crazy. It than any jail. You can think of
it as far as gang shit, you know what I mean?
I knew that when he went in the guy that
stabbed him killed. Is it already in there for doing crazy?
(25:43):
He was already a killer.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
He was playing with.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Remy does eight years in her prime, her prime leaned
backs number one.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
This that she goes through eight years. They sent her
with murderers. It ain't that much female.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
They could have.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, they could have sent them to the Marter Stewart.
They sent them to where all these girls got State.
Ship was state.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
But and I man, she was in the ridge.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
She was she was in Yeah, she was in the
drench and really fighting chicks the size of odds you
from fucking vages.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Remy was like, Yo, we had to squabble up. Nah,
I'm just sitting your what Yo, I'm being honest. She
had to fight fucking brutus and ship like that. Like
she was like, what what you said about me? All right,
let's go, you know. But they it wasn't cute. They
put it with the murderers. Some people do time and
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they go to a camp, they go to this thing,
and that they threw her because her crime was with
violence with a bunch of murders Tory Lane, because this
ship was violence and so rappers out there. If you
watching this and you want to learn anything, there is
no playing.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
They're not.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
A spot in his mind. Big One thought they were
fucking swimming pools and tennis for rappers. That's not happening.
They got a big knife for your ass. When you
go in there and they cutting you, are you gonna
learn the extortion game really really fast in jail.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Stay out of it. It's not the plan for me.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
We go on pop. Smoked Man was so talented. He
was the next superstar from New York City. He was
gonna be a superstar.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
He posted the address a where he was at orf
of a mary bag or something. Though that's back connected
to technology and hip hop. You couldn't. That would never
happen if you over on Rodeo going crazy with the bag.
When you get back to your sweet you're not gonna
post it. Not gonna post what you just bought and
(27:54):
have the address on it. So I believe messed up
Situationally was murdered.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I believe it was he.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
He was definitely murdered, but they got away. Was that?
But they didn't social media, they didn't take his money.
Social Media got them to no way. He was that
which we didn't have, which saved a lot of rappers
from our.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
We try to do that a lot now like now,
post what we at on real time and get up
out of there and post after because guys like p
and b Rock, you know, posted he's in Rock Roscos,
Waffle and Chicken, And you said.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, well, my first time in la is when Big
got killed. But when they give you the laws from
not being in l A and you go there that
Roscos is that they tell you never go to that one.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
You know what I mean when they.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Told us that was just what it was a race
from my brain, Dad, haven't even think about going. And
then fast forward all these years later after this success
of pn B and he just thought he could just
go there with his girl and have a meal.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
And you know what I mean, they murdered him. That
it's fucked up.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I wonder if they told him that rascals is forbidding
or he just didn't you know, he just just wanted
to go ask for food with his girl wherever he
wanted to go. And unfortunately that happened. But they definitely
told us this is this and this and this specific
If you want to go to Roscos's one or two
(29:30):
that you should go to, but this one right here,
don't ever go there unless you with don't ever go.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Don't go you with just don't go to that.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Don't go. Tupac should call one of the most prolific
rappers in the world. I think the realest rap in
the world ever. Just my opinion, right. Every time I
seen Tupac, if we're talking violence and we're talking that,
he was in some shit. Every single time I laid
the eyes on him, I look at him, Yo, you've
seen such and such place, not the hamm in the
(30:00):
middle of the club. You're over here. He was bootlegging tapes.
He beat up like twenty five Africans on one twenty fifth.
I'm watching them. Brought daylight, putting him work everywhere I go.
When I met him, he got a rad band down
and with two guns. I didn't even know who it was.
I'm in Atlanta. He come up your crack. I don't
know who he is. I'm looking met The man is dead.
(30:22):
We in a cipher is one of them conferences. He
pulled out Yo's pot That's how I met two pots
of cord.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
The first time I ever seen him was in Atlanta too,
at Jack de Rapp Did he have two guns? That's
where I was at Jack to rapping. He didn't do
that to you.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Hit it to me right.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
He was at that Jack was the.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Same one.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
It had to be the same. When the girl was like,
I seen your age on the cake, I thought you
was way younger he was at the Jack the Rappings Saved.
You was at the same one. I thought you was
like ten years behind me. Man, you was at you Listen.
(31:07):
We was at the motherfucking the hotel and the girl
kept going death Rozen the House Long Bees Call, damn.
The girl that was in the arm in the chronic
she was singing that shit out there neph Ros in
the House Long Beach, and I was like, yeah, you know,
we just kept making the scene that but Tupac pull up.
(31:27):
My point is he gets locked up. Let's just say
the white people in the record label, no matter how
much he was selling, no matter how much we seen
him on TV, no matter what, they did not go
in that bag to bail him out. This is the
number one rap at the time. You couldn't escape Tupac.
(31:47):
Tubac was on the news, he was on everything. He
was selling so many millions of records. They did not
bail this man out. It took sug Night to come
from LA to bail out Tupac. That's how he got
signed to death right. So if you think the record
label's coming to bail you out, you know, I know
they support you at the beginning or whatever. You got
(32:09):
Little Dirt right now, Little Dirt is facing life right
If you think he's thinking, I don't know, man, God
bless him, and he's thinking the recordation.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I don't know about none of that should but fast
forward the times from Pock to Dirt. Dirt got he's
making mad off, he got mad. He's trying to put
up mad M's buildings. All he's still they denying his
bell does fall, but Pack didn't have that they'll put up.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
So man, listen, is it like a it goes you
feel about that?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
With the as big as Pac was, look, he should
have had You don't think he should have been able
to get listen without shit back.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
He ain't have it. No, but you just said he
was everywhere on the news, on us, but he didn't
have that bag he didn't have that bag, or he
would have bailed himself out. He didn't have the money
to bail himself out. Sometimes we living day by day.
We just living by different.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
That's what I'm saying, realuation, because der got nobody and
you can't get checked.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
You think you check the check, you working every day,
check the check. We checked the check. If we buying
three hundred thousand dollars, watches, house homes and everywhere, we
checked it.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
You got to keep working.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
That's why you gotta keep working.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Everybody, everybody is so rich and why they ain't fucking
still working.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
You gotta work.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
When I see Smoky Robinson and all the motherfucker's still
at Vegas and line, we'll do it.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I'm just seeing Rod Stewart about to do something, all right,
So what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Does that mean that they love to do it? But
does it mean like we gotta pay the bill? You
got kids in college, you got all type of shit
going on, mortgages, you got car notes, you got ship
like I mean, guys eighty years old still performing touring.
I mean just two days ago was Patty LaBelle something
(33:59):
I would have went. I was in Vegas. Stuff I
had a show Patty LaBelle my girl Stephanie Bill shot
to counk him on. It's a musky TV. But either
they doing it for the love and the passion or
they still got to get the money to pay these bills.
Because these bills just keep stop.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
The bills don't stop.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
The bills keep coming. I don't care the coming. The
bills is coming. Now, the train is coming. And so
what happens is I don't care how much money we make.
It's almost like shampoo. The ship just slipped through your fingers.
I'm not safe. No, I'm keeping it real with you.
I am not safe with no amount of money. You
(34:40):
don't know how many times I made a million dollars
and this ship was gone in like a month or two.
And it's just regular shit. Yo, Pay the lawyer, pay
your insurance, pay this, repeat the process, just this that,
And then you turn around and it's like, yo, where's
the brad yo?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
You know, Louis Vuitton ain't cheap. All that shit you're
doing out here looking cute, it ain't cheap. And so
there's always a check to check. I don't care how
much money you make. It blows my mind when I'm
sitting down, I'm like, yo, I just made a million
dollars last month. How the fuck you telling me the
(35:18):
AMX mill? This, this, this, this, the washed up two
quarters of the shit like real quick like and you're
thinking you in the fucking When I was in the projects,
I thought I could buy a fucking cloud with a
million dollars a cloud. I'd be like, yo, I could
buy me a cloud a million dollars. You looking at
the fucking car too, They going a million dollars. They
(35:42):
was acting like you could buy the whole Bronx.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
To that shit like this out though fast forward. We
started from cassettes. Now it was all way to I
Cloud and all your music isn't lives in the sky.
How the fuck is it with all of this streaming
and all that? Is it more money? It's definitely more
money because they just.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
But have because they made it so that if you
stream a record, certain remember we was one and done
or maybe two and done. I bought the Locks album,
listened to a ten thousand times on CD. If I
really loved it, I would keep living listening to it.
(36:24):
If it broke, I went and bought it again. The
way the streaming works is they actually pay you less.
But if people stream, like why you think Reggaetne got
this shit on smash. It's so many Spanish countries where
all they do is look at YouTube or stream Spotify whatever.
(36:44):
You listen to the shit ten to fifteen times, it
goes down as an album sell when we put it out.
You got to go through snowstorms to buy a new album.
Me and Pump waited six seven hours to get the
new eminem album. Right, you had to go physical. Right now,
you just taking on your phone and if you love
the song and you keep playing that shit up, we
(37:04):
gonna make it twenty tie for the album.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
The numbers don't add in. Fifteen hundred streams is one
spin on one record seale with something.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
That ain't Whoever the fuck made that up? The haters,
the ship, the whole system. The whole system been a
scam from the beginning. You talking to the wrong gud.
The math never added up with the record labels. You know,
we look at the music like, if you want to
look at this as a.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Business, the math netbook, math doctor dre the music, it
means everything.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
But the music is just like a coffee book allows
you to go in rooms where you wouldn't be excess
a stepping stone. So you now you're in soul house.
You hear there you meeting somebody riz it. You meet
the greatest movie guy who love you from Wu Tang,
and now he starts getting you to score movies and
acting it and this and this and that. It's just
(37:58):
a talking point. And so with us we figured out,
like you being around you doing this show, right, you
do know I'm all about the money, Jada.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
I watch your story.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Where's the money to train this coming, babe, to train
this coming? Because the point is I'm looking at you
and you don't even know what you're saying. You're like, yeah,
I went to the boxing match. I you know, I work.
You know I went there for work. I'm over here.
I work. This ain't even no more about bars or
(38:33):
I had to do a feature or I have to
distance this. This ain't no more about bars or songs.
It's just we work, and we do different assignments and
at the end of the day we come up with
a pile of money. So it's not really based on
selling records or the streams. If we put our music now,
which I just put out an album, the world changed
on me, which is phenomenal. Right, it's really art for
(38:57):
our fans. We're not trying to strike it rich off
the ship, right, and so we do all these different
things to just bring home the money at the end
of the day. And so that's where hip hop is.
Hip hop is just a top. That's why you got coffee.
You never in your life sitting in front of that
gas station and fucking yonkers. I know the gas station.
(39:22):
What was that Halliburton? Ever sad that's the gas You
never thought you selling coffee. I never thought I was
gonna sell our hair dye for men, rewinded ten. But
that's what we graduated to being entrepreneurs. Now we sell hair.
(39:43):
You know, I sell fucking beard dyed. You know what
I'm saying. We winded ten and sneaking stores. Were in
the sneaking store now.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
You know what juices we for life.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Everything. Don't put us in jail, guys.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
This is this is this is so legal and this
is legal.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
But you got everything. Don't put us in jail.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
We got everything. Don't put us in jail.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
We gotta get the hoodies. We got everything.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Don't put us in jail.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
We got mess in jail. I'm dead ass. I'm like, yo,
we don't want to go to jail. We're not trying to.
We're encouraging you to be an entrepreneur. You see what
we do. You see how we walk and just try
to have an easier life than us because we worked really,
really hard to get to this point. Right now, this
ain't this, This wasn't for everybody.
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Speaker 1 (41:06):
We seen many of our friends. You know, I went
one night.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Right, I'm so.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
I look, I'm not trying to brag it, nothing like that, right,
But it cost a certain price to get Fat Joe
to perform. Just the bottom line. That's what.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
That's what.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
That's inevitable.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
No, No, I'm just saying it costs a certain price.
Somebody paid the price. I show up and it's an
old school at noon for Fat Joe's that had nine
it while I'm in Philly. So everybody me and you
came out with they're on the lineup right. So these
are all legends at the time or whatever the case.
(41:42):
I'm looking at dudes. They missing their fucking teeth. They
looking at me like I'm a fucking hieroglyphic. I've had
rappers grabbed my shoulder and stare in my face to
see if it's botox or some shit like. They looking
at me like, how the fuck? I don't get it, Hi, guys,
I don't do nothing wrong. The most I do is
drink a diet PEPSI. Other than that, you fucked if
(42:05):
you're gonna catch me. So they I watched rappers my
peers look in my face, grab my shoulders, stare at
me like I'm a fucking Egyptian fucking pyramid, Like, yo,
how this niggas still looking all right? This this that
these got got no teeth? I see this one guy, they.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Would have thought the same about me. He ain't put
my age or the cake.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
No, unless now you're doing great, you're doing you have
me food, yo. I'm looking at one rapper, big time legend.
He's dancing around the Hennessy bottle. He's dancing. And so
I'm telling y'all I've been in Sancho pay a long time, Dubai.
I've been doing big toys and festivals for a long time.
(42:48):
He's nonbodragging, he's no Somebody afforded me in the old
school at noon, somebody yea Joe. When I pull up,
it's former female sex symbols. They fatter and fat Joe.
(43:09):
And so I'm looking at this shit. I'm almost peeking
out the window, like out the door, I'm peaking. I'm like, Yo,
this is crazy, like motherfuckers just fucked up. But the
point is, you gotta take care of yourself, preserve yourself.
Know that you gotta be you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
I ain't saying vegetables, vitaminess, dian pepsi, pepsi. Yo.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Let me tell you something. Shit, Yo, listen. Shit crazy
out here, man, But you gotta take care of yourself, man,
because it's hard. It's a horror show if you don't.
And so we see shit out here sometimes where it
just it don't make sense to me. You know, when
(43:54):
I see legends looking fucked up, I see people looking
fucked up. I see people not taking care of themselves. Man,
it's just too much shit. And at certain age you
eat that just to take care of you. You can't
sniff a mountain of cocaine at fifty something years old.
You know you over there thinking you Tony Montana at thirty.
I'm not advising that you sniff a mountain of cocaine
(44:16):
at fifty because your ass is done.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
I'm not advising you sniff about the cocaine at any age.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
I'm in my crib Miami, and I'm always early. Right.
I think you beat me here today, right, first time
he beat me here, But I'm always early, so I'm ready.
I'm up, ready to shoot the ship from the house.
They're like, yo, Jada is a little lady. I said, why.
He said, he's in the gym. I had to respect that.
(44:44):
I said, damn, this guy's in the gym and for
fifty years old, you could do all that shit. I
see you up there, push up, said some assaults and shit,
you doing some shit on it one arm like that? Shit,
What the fuck is?
Speaker 2 (44:58):
What's your pops cock?
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Theze it?
Speaker 2 (44:59):
What?
Speaker 1 (45:00):
No, I'm asking you where you get this ship from
doing the ball work? The this the that I'm looking
at you, Jim Jones, it's cocked diesel. It's a snowstorm.
And the snow is doing push ups anywhere? Is that
something special or something like he's doing push ups in
the snow with fucking the chain on him and ship
(45:21):
like my thing is yo is yo? No, I'll be
looking at y'all working out. I'm like, yo, this.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
Ship crazy, give it up to you.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Fist move a little, just do a little move.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
No move, I'm good. I'm just not cocked diesel. I
don't believe my body. My body is like Tyson Fury, yoh, ship.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
That was the second best thing.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Let me tell you something.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Knock you what hell?
Speaker 1 (45:54):
But he looked flabby and sick like you're looking at
that Tyson Fury. I don't know flabby your man. The
man looked like.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
He was the JA he retired man, can't get a
six pack. He knocked.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
Right.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
So I'm like that, you know, I'm not ju I'm
not hanging sure that's the clip lest I got it
be a clip. I'm like Tyson Fiery.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
That was dog.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
I'm trying to crazy. That just got so I think
about jam ass to j one of the you know
back in the day, it's before your time, Jada, thank you.
Before your time. The DJ was more prominent than the Rapper,
(46:44):
than the MC. So you had like Jadge Jeff and
the Fresh Prince. You had one DM C jam mass
to j you know, the DJ Scotland Rock and caron
the DJ was really really famous at one time and
jam as Jay not only was he an insane DJ,
a member of one of the greatest groups, but he
(47:06):
brought artists to the game like the Onyx. Now I
think he was the first person to sign fifty cents,
like he was ahead of his time, and you know
he got gunned down unfortunately. But I think about jams
Ja whatever what a producer, you know, and it just
(47:26):
leads me off. I said this this this episode, but
really insightful. But I get to thinking about, like, who's
the top five producers of all time?
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Who knew what you just said? You know that DJ
turned into the producer if you asked me. A lot
of them, A lot of producers in actually DJ and
a lot of DJs.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Most of them alls you know, cooland d.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
DJ and you know that right, you know which is
just one of the greatest producers ever is his name
is still DJ.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
You know we can shut that Swiss a DJ. Danny
Fresh is a DJ.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
All the legendary produced Tim Alank indeed, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
So if you think about a rapper with ghost writing, right,
do you rate a producer that has a bunch of
other producers bringing ship to the table or do you
think the producer needs to produce by himself?
Speaker 2 (48:28):
Everything sample big is different. A rapper with a ghost
writer is shouldn't be compared to a producer that has.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
A staff that you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
You might he might have instrument players, he might have
a certain engineer to get the sound that he wanted.
Somebody might come in and only do this drum pattern
for him. But if he created it from the beginning
and they just helping him enhance it, that ain't the
same as.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
A ghost writer, right, ghost So in that case, man,
there's some serious producers out there. Because I only had
one main one on the list, which is what you
said the obvious promo, because I watched him chop everything
up and do it himself. I've been in the rooms.
You've been in the rooms with somebody like Kanye that
(49:15):
got a bunch of producers, and of course he's throwing
that the sprinkle to it that he's getting what he
wants out of it or say like a doctor. Dre
worked with Scott Storts. You know Scott Storts did all.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
That Swiss Swiss. I've been with Swiss since he he
was telling them to get out of here. He plumbing,
pull out his NPC. We told him go back to
the drawing board for years until he finally got it.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
Then the whole room and went from the whole room going.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Oh nah, to the whole Holy check. This is fazing.
So is it is a journey. And then once you
get you your sound and you look the people. I
don't know what you do from nig because I ain't
a producer, so I say, DJ premiere, be careful with
your five. This is why this is gonna keep going
(50:12):
because it's more than five.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
But your five, woman, do that five. It's way more
than five. But we only got you the top five. Hah,
top five dead or live. I heard you say this
on thousand and really top five of anything, golf, top
five paint. It is really your creation when you say
(50:37):
yes every July, I meet this taking carry your jeweler,
Bobby the Jeweler. That's cause Jacob the Jeweler was the
original one that blew up. You started that top five
shit forever, nigga, you be in the library, top five book,
dead or alive. That's reference back to you.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
I appreciate it, but I'm a I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Clow not gonna be credited by that. I'm gonna say,
DJ Premier, let's go. I'm gonna say, Doctor Drake, let's
go cheating. I'm not cheating me too. I'm talking about
the best in the clay. I'm gonna use my five
could be whatever. If you want to skip, you wanna
skip because you're stealing. All right now you say that
(51:26):
I got Joe. I don't want to snatch.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
To.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
No you first, no, no, no, no gonna go you
go to I'm trying to get you in on this, alright,
Just do five. D J Premier, Hold up five, Hold
up five is five. Shut the fucks go, d J Premier,
(51:51):
Doctor Drake, the riz up, Kanye West and I go
have it from all d That's that's that's.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
That's mean five.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
What you wanted me to, sup, boss and me trying
to give you a play for play, you know, and
the honorable mentions.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Twitched the whole rule. I'm not still listen, but now
I'm kind of going back. We said we should have
fucking left Doctor Dre and them niggas out of it
because you're cheating. But still with Swiss, starting with me
to tell you, I'm going Swiss because it's not the
because you got to make the list, because that's my
(52:36):
brother there, you go for real? Mm hmm, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
I'm going Scott Storch. Yeah, that's a mean pack for
rel Scott Storch right.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Me thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
Just because I said it a guy, don't mean you
can't double down on it.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
I know I can use them Swiss personal part.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
You got a phenomenal team there.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
Swiss for real. Scott starts Timid late.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
Timberland R and b Tail Timberland.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
Timberland just as timerlay all the ship he did from.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
All that sing in there, wants to sit with jay
Z and Know and Beyonce, all of that, all that,
all that, I'm a movement by myself and Timbo got
the jawn fights.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
With thou Juste Blade.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
I mean I needed something like that from you because
from you being the underground king, you definitely went commercial on.
Speaker 3 (53:48):
I want to go.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
It's still left out bank. We left out many fresh
We left out, Pink Rock, we.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
Left out, fucking.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Q Tip.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Q Tip left out, Mad niggas go out, the mistress up,
he left out, nor Man ship, we left.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
You left out, the water left.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
Because this my producers know that I love them and.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
No man that wow.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
He left niggas out. That's not supposed to get left out.
But it's hard when it's only five.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Little top five because that's your ship. Shut out, the
boost mobile, go get yourself, the whole trap of phone,
everybody the block, the whole bus ride in the summer.
You know, in the summer we used to go to
six Flags Great Adventures. The whole block's Dorney Park, Like
get the whole bus.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
What's the ship and oh with me and pun out
of the show it used to do when the ship
we go wood in your family in Va where we
used to it ain't there, No her, she changed the menu.
You know, I men Virginia, yeah, man putting out the
show there.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
I got stranded there one time. That's a long story.
Stranded the whole bus broke down with all my whole projects.
Were sitting on the side of the road for like
twenty hours. Number bus came and brought us back to
the bones Kings of Me and shout out aj GP.
All of them will through it together. This has been
Joe and Jada. We're flaming out there. That ain't killing y'all.
(55:26):
This ain't that when it's cracking kiss and it's number
why and we're not gonna stop. Now. I'm a headed
to Dubai. Shout out, Rocher Belasa get married. I'm going
to a wedding. Then I'm gonna end up at Sancho
Pei and Monaco because my brother Nori, his wife Nieri,
(55:47):
it's her birthday.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
Happy birthday, the Nary, happy future, birthday, happy related. You
know what I'm saying. I'm celebrating as well.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
And then we're gonna land back on primif Rock and
we're gonna shoot a bunch of it. Don't think if
I'm not, I'm not laying landed on us and YoY
yo shout out. I gotta say, what's up to Ben Krump,
Attorney General.
Speaker 2 (56:13):
I gotta get with Ben.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
You got to get with Ben Crump and shout out
to Malcolm X's family. I went to this hundredth birthday
up in Harlem. It's crazy because they took over the
center where he got murdered, celebrated. They did a hunting
fannniversary of his birthday. And so Lauren Hell, our sister,
came up there right. You know, I started with the foujis.
(56:38):
I don't know if you know. Fuuji lit was my beat.
Salam Remy made for me.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
I left out salam written, look he was.
Speaker 1 (56:50):
Laura went up there and spoke some words of wisdom.
She ripped it down legends. She started funny hour money
change situation. And so I haven't seen lawn and face
the face in a long time. And so I pull
up on Lauren. I'm like sis, she said, I love you, Joe.
I felt so good that I got in the car.
I drove to Jersey and I was like, yo, Lauren says,
(57:13):
she loved me. And that's the perfect way that in
this Yeah, Joe and Jada Hell Buggy, we love me, Mom,
Meta man is dead. We in a ciphers one of
them conferences. He pulling Yoga's pot. That's how I met
two pots. Your cord.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
What's up, yalls? Your boy Jada speak Joe Krack the Dawn.
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Jada Wright, We've been all pretty much talking about sports, lifestyle, culture,
and so this one I said, let's dig in to
(01:11):
a statement that our brother Jim Jones said a while
back that just stood with me forever. He said, hip
hop is the most dangerous job in the world. Do
you agree with that or disagree? What are your thoughts
with that? And they will take it from there.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Hip hop is definitely not hip hop being an artist
in a hip hop artist, producer, whatever, what have you.
It's very dangerous, definitely one of the top most dangerous
jobs you can have.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
You should have top five that are alive. You know,
I'll be seeing guys out there fishing for lobsters and
dudes doing putting tar on the floor and Phoenix and
a hundred degrees, Why you gotting me so what. I'm
trying to paint the picture of some serious jobs out there.
But top on the jar. The worst job I ever seen.
(02:13):
It was Phoenix one hundred and thirty degrees. And the
guy was dressed like a hot dog and.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
He here we go again.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
The man had the hot dog suit on. It must
have been the ac and there because yo, listen, he
was flipping you know how they do the arrow like yo,
hot dogs this way. It's crazy, Yo, I'm telling you
that was a dangerous job. To me. It's so hot
in Phoenix. I see the steam coming up off the
floor and I looked at the guy with the hot
(02:44):
dog uniform. I say, yo, my man, like this is
it's some crazy jobs out there. Write some law enforcement
to say they got the hardest job. People shooting at
them every day. Whatever the case. But hip hop, you know,
they bring you up, they glorify you, break you down,
break you down, and then they hate sets it. And
(03:08):
what I've known in my studies, a hip hop with
violence is you and me. Maybe you a little bit
less because you know you're one of the most loved
rappers in the world. But the chances are will be
murdered and yonkers are in the Bronx before Compton or
(03:29):
Chicago or something like that. It's always where you from,
where people think they know you that much and they
got the real jealousy and envy. You see Nipsey Hustle,
the guy who killed them, He's in pictures standing behind
Nipsey Hustle. We could do that with all the hip
hop Jamster J was set up by his own friends, right,
(03:52):
So what is it that where you from and we
go you? You represent yonkers across the world. We represent that.
I represent the Bronx to the moon. Why is it
they want to kill me in the Bronx more than
anywhere else? Why they want to do it to you
where you from?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I think all they hate you can receive is nothing
more than where you came from.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
As much as they love you, they hate you, I
think ten times more because they feel like they really
know you. Opposed to other demographics, of the world. You
know what I mean, as dudes in the VX that's
like I know that name before you when he was
just regular Joey or whatever it is. And then that
that shuts in and it turns into a thing that
(04:41):
keeps growing. It's like a hate cancer. And then it
spreads and then it you know what I mean, And
then I know what it is because as much as
they see people happy for you, that shit makes the
hate cancer spread even more. And then they able to
sh spread it to some other dudes that feel like that,
(05:03):
and then it gets it stays crazy, and so what
you say, funerals though, A couple of funerals, a couple
of a couple of mirrors, just like, yeah, a couple
of mirrors, a couple of funerals, Mommy raps ship like that.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
And then it get it goes back down to it.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
You know. I started with Scott of Rock. I was
just a teenager. I was just a teenager playing basketball.
I was in my grandmother's block of Washington Avenue, the nine,
and it just was like this before Instagram, guys, before
social media, and it was just like yo, yo, Scott
of Rock got shot, he got killed. Scot Labrock, Bad
(05:42):
People's everything to me, and yeah, we grew up violent,
but that hurt me because I was like, these was
the guys putting on for our neighborhood and couldn't believe
somebody killed them senseless murder, which was the one that
at all all the hip hop, which is the one
that got you and you was like wow, like I
(06:04):
can't believe this happened.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
By far for me, it's big my first time the Locks,
it was our first time in LA.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
The big guy killed, so that was out there. He
was at the party. We was with them before the
day before. We you know, we was in his Like
did you have time at one da.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Did you not feel like it was dangerous being in LA?
And he had the East Coast West Coast beef and
I felt.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
It was dangerous, But we really didn't know how to
we know what I'm saying. We we didn't know what
was really going on. We knew that ship was going on,
but we didn't we never been there. We thought we
was heavily protected. We thought we was good, you know
what I mean. We thought we was the same way.
I mean, we kind of was because we was with
(06:53):
we had Bad Boy and we had D and them
we had a different kind of arm. Even the gage
with us, we had extra actually shut out to d a.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Nice pig Jay.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
You know, they saved my life, Ice pig Jay, you
saved my life. When I heard that story, that's a
real story. It was gonna get me. And you know,
I had a lot of beef with the West Coast.
I'm probably and we're not stirring nothing up, but I'm
probably the only rapper from New York that had physical
beef with the West Coast, like real physical war. It
(07:24):
went down right. So when I go over there, me
and pun out there for the Grammys, there's a million
cop cars in the street, and you know, it was
like gang beef. So they had a guy with Jerry
Carls a bubble goose. It was hot as hell and
the gun was to his I don't know how there's
(07:46):
one million cops out here. They don't see the guy
old dog from the fucking menace to society, like the
man in the middle of the street dripping the fucking
Jerry carle juice with a machine gun with a bubble
in the summer, and we don't rat. But I'm looking
like Jesus Christ don't nobody see it. And he looked
(08:08):
at me like he could not go back to the
hood without clapping Fat Joe not clapping killing me. He
had a machine gun. And so it's a million cops
out there. I fucked up because we had the man say,
we had stripp We knew whatever was gonna happen, you know,
don't go out over there, and we still like dummies,
went out shout out. My brother tone patron held it down,
(08:31):
all of us. And so I'm sitting out there and
the guy's dead. There's a girl standing next to me,
and she sees what's going on, and she looks at
me and says, a girl from New York. She said, now,
I'm sorry. She was like, Joe, I'm sorry, I'm sorry
this is happening to you, Like she could probably see
like deaf in my face, like the guy was. He
(08:53):
was trying to figure out how to shoot me and
get away from the one thousand cops, but he couldn't
go back to his food without shooting me. So he
was like he looked like a dog in rage. And
then out of nowhere the door opens and D comes out,
and d comes out. He's like, yo, crack, what's up
this and that? And I looked at him. I said, yo,
(09:16):
D from the rough riders. He looks over there, and
general looks over there. He looks back and he said,
that's for you. Crap. I said, yeah, it's for me.
He said, Yo, ice Pick is gonna turn this corner
in a white van. Y'all better just get in there,
get out of here, right. So the van pull up.
(09:37):
Ice Pick adn't even know he was saving us, right,
he was coming around to get d. The van pull up.
We got in that bitch like the fucking painting from
Good Times. You remember Good Times, they have to sit
where everybody was dancing sideways and shit like that good time. Like, Yo,
we slid in that motherfucker. Yo. God was with us.
(09:58):
It was crazy. It was like six seven of us.
We got in that bitch and left in the van
and looked back. That guy was so confused. He then
where the fuck we went? Because it was like two
crowded we got in the van. I was like, yo,
I think, thank you saved my life. You don't understand this.
He was like, what happened? I'll say you old nigger
had the machine gun. He ready to clap us this.
(10:19):
He told us to get in there. So he took
us to the mansion, which a couple of blocks away.
After that, we would say we went to the Grammys
with guns on us, Me and Big Pun. That picture
that you see us looking like superheroes. We actually had
hammers on us in the Grammys. Because that was too much.
We stepped outside. The point is the danger, you know,
(10:43):
is always there. I think of Big L. Right, yeah, yeah,
I'm saying he would not her a fly. Big L
Gamble ron have fun, never bothered the human being in this.
He loved, he chilled, he was funny, my little brother.
(11:05):
And they murdered him on the block that he talked
about in every one of his roles one three nine.
I remember rushing up there when they told me I
was at D and D camer numbers outside. I'm outside.
They still got the body on the floor, right, And
so he got murdered on his block. Same thing with
(11:26):
jam as to Jay. And so you say to yourself,
you say, you know, we worked so hard to bet ourselves.
At the end of the day, you got something to say.
You rap, You want to rap about whatever you want
to rap about. You want to show the world you're
the best rapper, then obviously we get financially smart till
we see that there's money out here, we're figuring out
(11:47):
how to do this. I think Backer in the day
was more celebrated. Yeah, I think that Backer in the day,
old school, it was more celebrated. So we saw the hustlers,
We see everybody showing they shit off and they inspired us.
But over the years, with social media and all that,
(12:08):
I think it's like a bittersweet because it's small people
looking at you with jealous size and hatred.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
That's definitely. I think technology definitely plays a part of
it because before you it was just you a heare
of the boy George's and whoever it is that was
in Queens or Harlem or it was. You might can
see them if you could make it to the Fever
or the one of them parties or the rooftop or
some shit like, you might have a chance to get
(12:38):
a glimpse of somebody. But other than that, you just
heard who was getting busy in the Bronx Ohio or
Queens of Brooklyn, and it didn't put the hate the
cancer they hate cancer couldn't spread. Now you can just
scroll down and the switch can hit on any social
media platform, you know what I mean. You can look
(12:59):
on Facebook, go on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok. They can create
their own narrative of hate. Now somebody can just say
I don't like fat Joe and just make a old
page and the whole shit of you.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Tell me about it. Didn't do that back and that
that happens to everybody. And what's crazy is if we
take it to modern day, skip a couple of errors.
These kids are like getting murdered on video like Nipsey
USO got I.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Think three things on video now crack. That's the old anything.
But everybody even was going like this, or is.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
An eye in the sky.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
That pole has a camera that goes to the White House.
The leaves on that trees is connected the Aubany. It's
really no fucking way to do anything right.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Now post it.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Back in the days, you had to see somebody somewhere
passing that juke man or in the train station or
sneaking store club, and then it would go down. If
you wasn't there, nobody got killed, or if they did,
it just happened. Is now before your family know the
whole world. It's crazy. Well, I walk the track at
(14:12):
Kincerko Dain one Day's an old lady, she's working out,
She's coming down. I'm going up. An elderly lady that's
working out is coming down. Two young chicks is coming there.
The lady because the stairs is tilted a little. The
lady tripped, loses a fluinity and goes off to the side.
Oh to the woods, Grandma. Now the girls is in
(14:36):
front of me. I'm thinking they gonna go get us.
First thing they do phone me Yo, yeah, crazy, I
gonna help all dust off, curse them out a little bit,
keep going.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Up the stair.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
But I'm like, this is a shape. This lady was
seventy something eighty some years old.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
One thing I take pride in right privacy. No, no,
not not one thing. I take pride in this dead
just like you. No matter how successful we are, we
move around in the hood, get a lot of respect.
And so one thing I love doing is supporting the
community and supporting the local businesses. So whether it's Melbourne's
(15:14):
in Harlem or the ball Heeo and Ease Treemont in
the Bronx, support a Rican wrestaurant, I'm in there. Pharmacy
for life and SCARSDA pharmacy for life, jusus for life.
But what I'm saying to you is one day I'm
in East Treemont in the ballhe yo, and two people
starting to get down. My daughter. I can't lie to you.
(15:35):
She little house on the prairie. We see this regular
guys arguing no elevator. Whatever she don't know is she
just like and we in the hood. But she looked
like little house on the prairie, a little fur white hat.
They knew this girl ain't from around here, right, But
(15:56):
two girls start arguing. They about to fight. They in
the Puerto Rican joint, you know, one of my favorites.
And I'm eating and like it's seventy eighty old lady
got up, pulled out her camera and said, world star,
world star. Eighty y old lady got up and then
(16:17):
threw the camera in my face because.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I'm in the building. She got like.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Eighty Yeah, I think the barber. I think the barber.
She for she know what time it is you getting
the car on? You know every young person's raps. Like
I met your aunt in City Island. She was telling
me records and rats. They love Nellie, I mean, but
she was telling me Yo, the Cold Rocks. She was
(16:43):
throwing words, so I knew she loved hip hop. My
aunt's like that too, But I don't think my aunt's
gonna get up and go world star. Like the lady
got up and said what yo. I had a moment
with myself. I sat there, said, Yo, this is going
It's like the Maury Show on the streets.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Now it turns off.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
It never turns off.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
That's another thing why I say we had the best
area of music because we had privacy all of the
memories of shit that happened, and gotta stay in the bring,
you know what I mean. It was not a bunch
of as soon as they sent something, mad phones go out.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Man.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Let me tell you something. They murdered Nipsey Hustle on video.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
They murdered anybody on video. Damn man that left.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
The last year since shit was you know what I'm saying, Yo, Jada,
we should do a podcast on how dangerous hip hop's
are is. It's like the voice hit the Instagram and
immediately the first thing I did, I opened Instagram and
they got the young brother in Detroit two days ago,
(17:58):
Skiller Skiller baby, and they shoot at him twenty five times.
He gets hit a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Three they hit him three times.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I go up a little bit more. I see my mayor,
Rod Wade, who sings nothing for positivity. He was the
first one that almost got it right. He was saying,
I'm a retire I made enough money, go chill with
my family. He gets arrested for all type of felonies
and shit like that. I believe he's innocent. I don't.
I just believe he's innocent, right, But in the hip hop,
(18:30):
why does it feel like you know? I always thought
of yo, we got in this game to get about
the dangers of the hood, or better our lives and
better our community and our friends and whatever the case
may be. For why there's always some shit where you
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(19:55):
don't used to talk to me all the time. Justin Bieber,
Justin Bider. No, Justin Bieber, we do every now and then.
But Justin Bieber. I'm gonna tell you what fucked me
up with Justin Bieber. Justin Bieber gets arrested just driving
crazy around Miami. Our rest in Peace courted me up
(20:18):
and says, yo, they looking for somebody to bail out
Justin Bieber. It wasn't no money. It was nothing a
couple of hundred dollars, one thousand dollars. We used a
rich players girl to bail them out. So I bail
out Justin Bieber one hundred dollars. This is It's because
it was in Miami and he didn't have no money
(20:39):
at the time. No, he got money, but he ain't
no crime. To the point we bailed the man.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Hold on, we got young, you build out justin baby
rich and fuck it.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
He always been.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
What happens is we all got friends in common, and
they was like, we're not about bills. Player at the
time was Dayton Domodi, the Bell bondsman, and so we
just got it was about nothing. I'm trying to tell you,
I'm not trying to get cut off of this. This
is nothing. The problem is he calls me to thank
(21:13):
me and start saying, Yo, I'm againster.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Now since he got arrested. Shit, now he was in traffic,
well he got arrested.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Speeding, right, but he started telling me he's a gangster. Joe.
I went to Joe at this, I said, Yo, justin listen, bro,
you gotta stop like this, not no straight up, you
gotta stop like we don't want you gangster, We want
you singing baby baby this. And I think he took.
I think if I would have gassed him like some
(21:43):
of these og gang guys gas the young kids, h'd
him in like fat Joe. But I hit him with
the YO, we don't want you on the news, bro,
we don't want you getting arrested. We want you to succeed.
You're justin Bieber. My daughter worships you. We all love you.
And that kind of messed up my relationship with him
at that moment because he really.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Was like he wasn't try that shit.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Nah, he was just like he felt like, you know, yo,
this guy, you know I'm the funk killer fucked up
the moment. The problem is we can't glorify going to
jail or getting arrested to the and these rappers acting
like it's some sexy shit, because I know that the
most I was intimidated, right, I walk into jail right,
(22:29):
and I'm not scared of nobody. And I swear to you, Jada,
you will not see I'm not scared of no man,
not even boyman, not the Boogeyman either. But I walk
in this jail and there's two thousand guys, Arian Nation, Jamaicans, Haitians,
Puerto Ricans. They all cock Diesel. The ship is like
(22:51):
the movie Metal And when they see me, it's like
the Game of Thrones to drag him without fight. They
screaming like like I never heard no shit like this.
It's almost like a hundred motorcycle screeching and went they
jumping from all over. I'm like, I'm fat Joe before
(23:13):
a rap rap a walk up in that jail. He fooled.
I already know. Walking up in there, I said, oh man,
somebody's gonna run up on me real quick with the knife,
talking about yo, you got to pay whatever whatever. And
I actually got intimidated. And while I'm walking to mysel,
I gotta talk to myself, and I never gotta talk
(23:33):
to myself. I gotta tell you every day, no, no, no,
talk to myself like, Yo, Joe, you ain't pussy. Don't
fall of this ship, Yo Joe, don't let niggas play you.
Like I'm walking to myself, giving myself a prep talk
in my mind because it's two thousand guys screaming at
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one guy. I'm not even from there. It's not New York,
it's not I'm in Miami, so I don't even know
one person.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
To you. You did tell me it's DC.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, because they threw the change up, I'm supposed to
go to New York. Now, this is the bragging part.
I had three hundred guys waiting for me in every
jail with New York legendary, you know, give us speeches
when he comes through here. This we had that, our Banians,
whatever you name, they was all waiting for Joe Crack
in the jails in New York and Jersey. I'm being jail. No,
(24:28):
I'm being honest with you. Last minute on a Saturday,
I'm thinking the Borough of Prisons is hearing all this
ship switch and sh shut him down there because he
lived right down there. They sent me the rusty ass
dirty building. I'm like, oh my god, so I had
to walk up in there. The point is it's intimidating
(24:50):
you being an artist going in jail. We talk about
Tory Lanes. They was not playing with Tory Lanes. I
do not know. When you get too lungs collap, they
stab you in your head, stab you in your chest.
Step they try to really murder Tory Lanes. But it's
nothing cute about it. I don't care how you look
(25:13):
at it. But why Tory Lanes? Why you think he
had all the presidents had to get stabbed up fourteen
times and all that.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Sure, he ain't the only person who got stabbed up
over there, right, Yeah, I understand that over there. It's
probably crazy. It than any jail. You can think of
it as far as gang shit, you know what I mean?
I knew that when he went in the guy that
stabbed him killed. Is it already in there for doing crazy?
(25:43):
He was already a killer.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
He was playing with.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Remy does eight years in her prime, her prime leaned
backs number one.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
This that she goes through eight years. They sent her
with murderers. It ain't that much female.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
They could have.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, they could have sent them to the Marter Stewart.
They sent them to where all these girls got State.
Ship was state.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
But and I man, she was in the ridge.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
She was she was in Yeah, she was in the
drench and really fighting chicks the size of odds you
from fucking vages.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Remy was like, Yo, we had to squabble up. Nah,
I'm just sitting your what Yo, I'm being honest. She
had to fight fucking brutus and ship like that. Like
she was like, what what you said about me? All right,
let's go, you know. But they it wasn't cute. They
put it with the murderers. Some people do time and
(26:42):
they go to a camp, they go to this thing,
and that they threw her because her crime was with
violence with a bunch of murders Tory Lane, because this
ship was violence and so rappers out there. If you
watching this and you want to learn anything, there is
no playing.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
They're not.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
A spot in his mind. Big One thought they were
fucking swimming pools and tennis for rappers. That's not happening.
They got a big knife for your ass. When you
go in there and they cutting you, are you gonna
learn the extortion game really really fast in jail.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Stay out of it. It's not the plan for me.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
We go on pop. Smoked Man was so talented. He
was the next superstar from New York City. He was
gonna be a superstar.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
He posted the address a where he was at orf
of a mary bag or something. Though that's back connected
to technology and hip hop. You couldn't. That would never
happen if you over on Rodeo going crazy with the bag.
When you get back to your sweet you're not gonna
post it. Not gonna post what you just bought and
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have the address on it. So I believe messed up
Situationally was murdered.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I believe it was he.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
He was definitely murdered, but they got away. Was that?
But they didn't social media, they didn't take his money.
Social Media got them to no way. He was that
which we didn't have, which saved a lot of rappers
from our.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
We try to do that a lot now like now,
post what we at on real time and get up
out of there and post after because guys like p
and b Rock, you know, posted he's in Rock Roscos,
Waffle and Chicken, And you said.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, well, my first time in la is when Big
got killed. But when they give you the laws from
not being in l A and you go there that
Roscos is that they tell you never go to that one.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
You know what I mean when they.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Told us that was just what it was a race
from my brain, Dad, haven't even think about going. And
then fast forward all these years later after this success
of pn B and he just thought he could just
go there with his girl and have a meal.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
And you know what I mean, they murdered him. That
it's fucked up.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I wonder if they told him that rascals is forbidding
or he just didn't you know, he just just wanted
to go ask for food with his girl wherever he
wanted to go. And unfortunately that happened. But they definitely
told us this is this and this and this specific
If you want to go to Roscos's one or two
(29:30):
that you should go to, but this one right here,
don't ever go there unless you with don't ever go.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Don't go you with just don't go to that.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Don't go. Tupac should call one of the most prolific
rappers in the world. I think the realest rap in
the world ever. Just my opinion, right. Every time I
seen Tupac, if we're talking violence and we're talking that,
he was in some shit. Every single time I laid
the eyes on him, I look at him, Yo, you've
seen such and such place, not the hamm in the
(30:00):
middle of the club. You're over here. He was bootlegging tapes.
He beat up like twenty five Africans on one twenty fifth.
I'm watching them. Brought daylight, putting him work everywhere I go.
When I met him, he got a rad band down
and with two guns. I didn't even know who it was.
I'm in Atlanta. He come up your crack. I don't
know who he is. I'm looking met The man is dead.
(30:22):
We in a cipher is one of them conferences. He
pulled out Yo's pot That's how I met two pots
of cord.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
The first time I ever seen him was in Atlanta too,
at Jack de Rapp Did he have two guns? That's
where I was at Jack to rapping. He didn't do
that to you.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Hit it to me right.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
He was at that Jack was the.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Same one.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
It had to be the same. When the girl was like,
I seen your age on the cake, I thought you
was way younger he was at the Jack the Rappings Saved.
You was at the same one. I thought you was
like ten years behind me. Man, you was at you Listen.
(31:07):
We was at the motherfucking the hotel and the girl
kept going death Rozen the House Long Bees Call, damn.
The girl that was in the arm in the chronic
she was singing that shit out there neph Ros in
the House Long Beach, and I was like, yeah, you know,
we just kept making the scene that but Tupac pull up.
(31:27):
My point is he gets locked up. Let's just say
the white people in the record label, no matter how
much he was selling, no matter how much we seen
him on TV, no matter what, they did not go
in that bag to bail him out. This is the
number one rap at the time. You couldn't escape Tupac.
(31:47):
Tubac was on the news, he was on everything. He
was selling so many millions of records. They did not
bail this man out. It took sug Night to come
from LA to bail out Tupac. That's how he got
signed to death right. So if you think the record
label's coming to bail you out, you know, I know
they support you at the beginning or whatever. You got
(32:09):
Little Dirt right now, Little Dirt is facing life right
If you think he's thinking, I don't know, man, God
bless him, and he's thinking the recordation.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I don't know about none of that should but fast
forward the times from Pock to Dirt. Dirt got he's
making mad off, he got mad. He's trying to put
up mad M's buildings. All he's still they denying his
bell does fall, but Pack didn't have that they'll put up.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
So man, listen, is it like a it goes you
feel about that?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
With the as big as Pac was, look, he should
have had You don't think he should have been able
to get listen without shit back.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
He ain't have it. No, but you just said he
was everywhere on the news, on us, but he didn't
have that bag he didn't have that bag, or he
would have bailed himself out. He didn't have the money
to bail himself out. Sometimes we living day by day.
We just living by different.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
That's what I'm saying, realuation, because der got nobody and
you can't get checked.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
You think you check the check, you working every day,
check the check. We checked the check. If we buying
three hundred thousand dollars, watches, house homes and everywhere, we
checked it.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
You got to keep working.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
That's why you gotta keep working.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Everybody, everybody is so rich and why they ain't fucking
still working.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
You gotta work.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
When I see Smoky Robinson and all the motherfucker's still
at Vegas and line, we'll do it.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I'm just seeing Rod Stewart about to do something, all right,
So what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Does that mean that they love to do it? But
does it mean like we gotta pay the bill? You
got kids in college, you got all type of shit
going on, mortgages, you got car notes, you got ship
like I mean, guys eighty years old still performing touring.
I mean just two days ago was Patty LaBelle something
(33:59):
I would have went. I was in Vegas. Stuff I
had a show Patty LaBelle my girl Stephanie Bill shot
to counk him on. It's a musky TV. But either
they doing it for the love and the passion or
they still got to get the money to pay these bills.
Because these bills just keep stop.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
The bills don't stop.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
The bills keep coming. I don't care the coming. The
bills is coming. Now, the train is coming. And so
what happens is I don't care how much money we make.
It's almost like shampoo. The ship just slipped through your fingers.
I'm not safe. No, I'm keeping it real with you.
I am not safe with no amount of money. You
(34:40):
don't know how many times I made a million dollars
and this ship was gone in like a month or two.
And it's just regular shit. Yo, Pay the lawyer, pay
your insurance, pay this, repeat the process, just this that,
And then you turn around and it's like, yo, where's
the brad yo?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
You know, Louis Vuitton ain't cheap. All that shit you're
doing out here looking cute, it ain't cheap. And so
there's always a check to check. I don't care how
much money you make. It blows my mind when I'm
sitting down, I'm like, yo, I just made a million
dollars last month. How the fuck you telling me the
(35:18):
AMX mill? This, this, this, this, the washed up two
quarters of the shit like real quick like and you're
thinking you in the fucking When I was in the projects,
I thought I could buy a fucking cloud with a
million dollars a cloud. I'd be like, yo, I could
buy me a cloud a million dollars. You looking at
the fucking car too, They going a million dollars. They
(35:42):
was acting like you could buy the whole Bronx.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
To that shit like this out though fast forward. We
started from cassettes. Now it was all way to I
Cloud and all your music isn't lives in the sky.
How the fuck is it with all of this streaming
and all that? Is it more money? It's definitely more
money because they just.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
But have because they made it so that if you
stream a record, certain remember we was one and done
or maybe two and done. I bought the Locks album,
listened to a ten thousand times on CD. If I
really loved it, I would keep living listening to it.
(36:24):
If it broke, I went and bought it again. The
way the streaming works is they actually pay you less.
But if people stream, like why you think Reggaetne got
this shit on smash. It's so many Spanish countries where
all they do is look at YouTube or stream Spotify whatever.
(36:44):
You listen to the shit ten to fifteen times, it
goes down as an album sell when we put it out.
You got to go through snowstorms to buy a new album.
Me and Pump waited six seven hours to get the
new eminem album. Right, you had to go physical. Right now,
you just taking on your phone and if you love
the song and you keep playing that shit up, we
(37:04):
gonna make it twenty tie for the album.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
The numbers don't add in. Fifteen hundred streams is one
spin on one record seale with something.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
That ain't Whoever the fuck made that up? The haters,
the ship, the whole system. The whole system been a
scam from the beginning. You talking to the wrong gud.
The math never added up with the record labels. You know,
we look at the music like, if you want to
look at this as a.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Business, the math netbook, math doctor dre the music, it
means everything.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
But the music is just like a coffee book allows
you to go in rooms where you wouldn't be excess
a stepping stone. So you now you're in soul house.
You hear there you meeting somebody riz it. You meet
the greatest movie guy who love you from Wu Tang,
and now he starts getting you to score movies and
acting it and this and this and that. It's just
(37:58):
a talking point. And so with us we figured out,
like you being around you doing this show, right, you
do know I'm all about the money, Jada.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
I watch your story.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Where's the money to train this coming, babe, to train
this coming? Because the point is I'm looking at you
and you don't even know what you're saying. You're like, yeah,
I went to the boxing match. I you know, I work.
You know I went there for work. I'm over here.
I work. This ain't even no more about bars or
(38:33):
I had to do a feature or I have to
distance this. This ain't no more about bars or songs.
It's just we work, and we do different assignments and
at the end of the day we come up with
a pile of money. So it's not really based on
selling records or the streams. If we put our music now,
which I just put out an album, the world changed
on me, which is phenomenal. Right, it's really art for
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our fans. We're not trying to strike it rich off
the ship, right, and so we do all these different
things to just bring home the money at the end
of the day. And so that's where hip hop is.
Hip hop is just a top. That's why you got coffee.
You never in your life sitting in front of that
gas station and fucking yonkers. I know the gas station.
(39:22):
What was that Halliburton? Ever sad that's the gas You
never thought you selling coffee. I never thought I was
gonna sell our hair dye for men, rewinded ten. But
that's what we graduated to being entrepreneurs. Now we sell hair.
(39:43):
You know, I sell fucking beard dyed. You know what
I'm saying. We winded ten and sneaking stores. Were in
the sneaking store now.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
You know what juices we for life.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Everything. Don't put us in jail, guys.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
This is this is this is so legal and this
is legal.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
But you got everything. Don't put us in jail.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
We got everything. Don't put us in jail.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
We gotta get the hoodies. We got everything.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Don't put us in jail.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
We got mess in jail. I'm dead ass. I'm like, yo,
we don't want to go to jail. We're not trying to.
We're encouraging you to be an entrepreneur. You see what
we do. You see how we walk and just try
to have an easier life than us because we worked really,
really hard to get to this point. Right now, this
ain't this, This wasn't for everybody.
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Speaker 1 (41:06):
We seen many of our friends. You know, I went
one night.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Right, I'm so.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
I look, I'm not trying to brag it, nothing like that, right,
But it cost a certain price to get Fat Joe
to perform. Just the bottom line. That's what.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
That's what.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
That's inevitable.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
No, No, I'm just saying it costs a certain price.
Somebody paid the price. I show up and it's an
old school at noon for Fat Joe's that had nine
it while I'm in Philly. So everybody me and you
came out with they're on the lineup right. So these
are all legends at the time or whatever the case.
(41:42):
I'm looking at dudes. They missing their fucking teeth. They
looking at me like I'm a fucking hieroglyphic. I've had
rappers grabbed my shoulder and stare in my face to
see if it's botox or some shit like. They looking
at me like, how the fuck? I don't get it, Hi, guys,
I don't do nothing wrong. The most I do is
drink a diet PEPSI. Other than that, you fucked if
(42:05):
you're gonna catch me. So they I watched rappers my
peers look in my face, grab my shoulders, stare at
me like I'm a fucking Egyptian fucking pyramid, Like, yo,
how this niggas still looking all right? This this that
these got got no teeth? I see this one guy, they.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Would have thought the same about me. He ain't put
my age or the cake.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
No, unless now you're doing great, you're doing you have
me food, yo. I'm looking at one rapper, big time legend.
He's dancing around the Hennessy bottle. He's dancing. And so
I'm telling y'all I've been in Sancho pay a long time, Dubai.
I've been doing big toys and festivals for a long time.
(42:48):
He's nonbodragging, he's no Somebody afforded me in the old
school at noon, somebody yea Joe. When I pull up,
it's former female sex symbols. They fatter and fat Joe.
(43:09):
And so I'm looking at this shit. I'm almost peeking
out the window, like out the door, I'm peaking. I'm like, Yo,
this is crazy, like motherfuckers just fucked up. But the
point is, you gotta take care of yourself, preserve yourself.
Know that you gotta be you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
I ain't saying vegetables, vitaminess, dian pepsi, pepsi. Yo.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Let me tell you something. Shit, Yo, listen. Shit crazy
out here, man, But you gotta take care of yourself, man,
because it's hard. It's a horror show if you don't.
And so we see shit out here sometimes where it
just it don't make sense to me. You know, when
(43:54):
I see legends looking fucked up, I see people looking
fucked up. I see people not taking care of themselves. Man,
it's just too much shit. And at certain age you
eat that just to take care of you. You can't
sniff a mountain of cocaine at fifty something years old.
You know you over there thinking you Tony Montana at thirty.
I'm not advising that you sniff a mountain of cocaine
(44:16):
at fifty because your ass is done.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
I'm not advising you sniff about the cocaine at any age.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
I'm in my crib Miami, and I'm always early. Right.
I think you beat me here today, right, first time
he beat me here, But I'm always early, so I'm ready.
I'm up, ready to shoot the ship from the house.
They're like, yo, Jada is a little lady. I said, why.
He said, he's in the gym. I had to respect that.
(44:44):
I said, damn, this guy's in the gym and for
fifty years old, you could do all that shit. I
see you up there, push up, said some assaults and shit,
you doing some shit on it one arm like that? Shit,
What the fuck is?
Speaker 2 (44:58):
What's your pops cock?
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Theze it?
Speaker 2 (44:59):
What?
Speaker 1 (45:00):
No, I'm asking you where you get this ship from
doing the ball work? The this the that I'm looking
at you, Jim Jones, it's cocked diesel. It's a snowstorm.
And the snow is doing push ups anywhere? Is that
something special or something like he's doing push ups in
the snow with fucking the chain on him and ship
(45:21):
like my thing is yo is yo? No, I'll be
looking at y'all working out. I'm like, yo, this.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
Ship crazy, give it up to you.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Fist move a little, just do a little move.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
No move, I'm good. I'm just not cocked diesel. I
don't believe my body. My body is like Tyson Fury, yoh, ship.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
That was the second best thing.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Let me tell you something.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Knock you what hell?
Speaker 1 (45:54):
But he looked flabby and sick like you're looking at
that Tyson Fury. I don't know flabby your man. The
man looked like.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
He was the JA he retired man, can't get a
six pack. He knocked.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
Right.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
So I'm like that, you know, I'm not ju I'm
not hanging sure that's the clip lest I got it
be a clip. I'm like Tyson Fiery.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
That was dog.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
I'm trying to crazy. That just got so I think
about jam ass to j one of the you know
back in the day, it's before your time, Jada, thank you.
Before your time. The DJ was more prominent than the Rapper,
(46:44):
than the MC. So you had like Jadge Jeff and
the Fresh Prince. You had one DM C jam mass
to j you know, the DJ Scotland Rock and caron
the DJ was really really famous at one time and
jam as Jay not only was he an insane DJ,
a member of one of the greatest groups, but he
(47:06):
brought artists to the game like the Onyx. Now I
think he was the first person to sign fifty cents,
like he was ahead of his time, and you know
he got gunned down unfortunately. But I think about jams
Ja whatever what a producer, you know, and it just
(47:26):
leads me off. I said this this this episode, but
really insightful. But I get to thinking about, like, who's
the top five producers of all time?
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Who knew what you just said? You know that DJ
turned into the producer if you asked me. A lot
of them, A lot of producers in actually DJ and
a lot of DJs.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Most of them alls you know, cooland d.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
DJ and you know that right, you know which is
just one of the greatest producers ever is his name
is still DJ.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
You know we can shut that Swiss a DJ. Danny
Fresh is a DJ.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
All the legendary produced Tim Alank indeed, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
So if you think about a rapper with ghost writing, right,
do you rate a producer that has a bunch of
other producers bringing ship to the table or do you
think the producer needs to produce by himself?
Speaker 2 (48:28):
Everything sample big is different. A rapper with a ghost
writer is shouldn't be compared to a producer that has.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
A staff that you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
You might he might have instrument players, he might have
a certain engineer to get the sound that he wanted.
Somebody might come in and only do this drum pattern
for him. But if he created it from the beginning
and they just helping him enhance it, that ain't the
same as.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
A ghost writer, right, ghost So in that case, man,
there's some serious producers out there. Because I only had
one main one on the list, which is what you
said the obvious promo, because I watched him chop everything
up and do it himself. I've been in the rooms.
You've been in the rooms with somebody like Kanye that
(49:15):
got a bunch of producers, and of course he's throwing
that the sprinkle to it that he's getting what he
wants out of it or say like a doctor. Dre
worked with Scott Storts. You know Scott Storts did all.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
That Swiss Swiss. I've been with Swiss since he he
was telling them to get out of here. He plumbing,
pull out his NPC. We told him go back to
the drawing board for years until he finally got it.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
Then the whole room and went from the whole room going.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Oh nah, to the whole Holy check. This is fazing.
So is it is a journey. And then once you
get you your sound and you look the people. I
don't know what you do from nig because I ain't
a producer, so I say, DJ premiere, be careful with
your five. This is why this is gonna keep going
(50:12):
because it's more than five.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
But your five, woman, do that five. It's way more
than five. But we only got you the top five. Hah,
top five dead or live. I heard you say this
on thousand and really top five of anything, golf, top
five paint. It is really your creation when you say
(50:37):
yes every July, I meet this taking carry your jeweler,
Bobby the Jeweler. That's cause Jacob the Jeweler was the
original one that blew up. You started that top five
shit forever, nigga, you be in the library, top five book,
dead or alive. That's reference back to you.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
I appreciate it, but I'm a I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Clow not gonna be credited by that. I'm gonna say,
DJ Premier, let's go. I'm gonna say, Doctor Drake, let's
go cheating. I'm not cheating me too. I'm talking about
the best in the clay. I'm gonna use my five
could be whatever. If you want to skip, you wanna
skip because you're stealing. All right now you say that
(51:26):
I got Joe. I don't want to snatch.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
To.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
No you first, no, no, no, no gonna go you
go to I'm trying to get you in on this, alright,
Just do five. D J Premier, Hold up five, Hold
up five is five. Shut the fucks go, d J Premier,
(51:51):
Doctor Drake, the riz up, Kanye West and I go
have it from all d That's that's that's.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
That's mean five.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
What you wanted me to, sup, boss and me trying
to give you a play for play, you know, and
the honorable mentions.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Twitched the whole rule. I'm not still listen, but now
I'm kind of going back. We said we should have
fucking left Doctor Dre and them niggas out of it
because you're cheating. But still with Swiss, starting with me
to tell you, I'm going Swiss because it's not the
because you got to make the list, because that's my
(52:36):
brother there, you go for real? Mm hmm, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
I'm going Scott Storch. Yeah, that's a mean pack for
rel Scott Storch right.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Me thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
Just because I said it a guy, don't mean you
can't double down on it.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
I know I can use them Swiss personal part.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
You got a phenomenal team there.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
Swiss for real. Scott starts Timid late.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
Timberland R and b Tail Timberland.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
Timberland just as timerlay all the ship he did from.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
All that sing in there, wants to sit with jay
Z and Know and Beyonce, all of that, all that,
all that, I'm a movement by myself and Timbo got
the jawn fights.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
With thou Juste Blade.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
I mean I needed something like that from you because
from you being the underground king, you definitely went commercial on.
Speaker 3 (53:48):
I want to go.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
It's still left out bank. We left out many fresh
We left out, Pink Rock, we.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
Left out, fucking.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Q Tip.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Q Tip left out, Mad niggas go out, the mistress up,
he left out, nor Man ship, we left.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
You left out, the water left.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
Because this my producers know that I love them and.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
No man that wow.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
He left niggas out. That's not supposed to get left out.
But it's hard when it's only five.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Little top five because that's your ship. Shut out, the
boost mobile, go get yourself, the whole trap of phone,
everybody the block, the whole bus ride in the summer.
You know, in the summer we used to go to
six Flags Great Adventures. The whole block's Dorney Park, Like
get the whole bus.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
What's the ship and oh with me and pun out
of the show it used to do when the ship
we go wood in your family in Va where we
used to it ain't there, No her, she changed the menu.
You know, I men Virginia, yeah, man putting out the
show there.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
I got stranded there one time. That's a long story.
Stranded the whole bus broke down with all my whole projects.
Were sitting on the side of the road for like
twenty hours. Number bus came and brought us back to
the bones Kings of Me and shout out aj GP.
All of them will through it together. This has been
Joe and Jada. We're flaming out there. That ain't killing y'all.
(55:26):
This ain't that when it's cracking kiss and it's number
why and we're not gonna stop. Now. I'm a headed
to Dubai. Shout out, Rocher Belasa get married. I'm going
to a wedding. Then I'm gonna end up at Sancho
Pei and Monaco because my brother Nori, his wife Nieri,
(55:47):
it's her birthday.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
Happy birthday, the Nary, happy future, birthday, happy related. You
know what I'm saying. I'm celebrating as well.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
And then we're gonna land back on primif Rock and
we're gonna shoot a bunch of it. Don't think if
I'm not, I'm not laying landed on us and YoY
yo shout out. I gotta say, what's up to Ben Krump,
Attorney General.
Speaker 2 (56:13):
I gotta get with Ben.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
You got to get with Ben Crump and shout out
to Malcolm X's family. I went to this hundredth birthday
up in Harlem. It's crazy because they took over the
center where he got murdered, celebrated. They did a hunting
fannniversary of his birthday. And so Lauren Hell, our sister,
came up there right. You know, I started with the foujis.
(56:38):
I don't know if you know. Fuuji lit was my beat.
Salam Remy made for me.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
I left out salam written, look he was.
Speaker 1 (56:50):
Laura went up there and spoke some words of wisdom.
She ripped it down legends. She started funny hour money
change situation. And so I haven't seen lawn and face
the face in a long time. And so I pull
up on Lauren. I'm like sis, she said, I love you, Joe.
I felt so good that I got in the car.
I drove to Jersey and I was like, yo, Lauren says,
(57:13):
she loved me. And that's the perfect way that in
this Yeah, Joe and Jada Hell Buggy, we love me, Mom,
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