Fat Joe and Jadakiss welcome Harlem's own, Jim Jones, as the three hip hop legends discuss coming up in the game in New York. Jim discusses what he does to stay relevant as he ages and how he is involved in more than just making music. Next, Jim discusses his place in hip hop as Joe asks him about a comparison that was made on IG about Jim being like Nas, and what Jim thought about that. Jim discusses how legends Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, and LL Cool J influenced his style when he was coming up. The fellas then discuss the importance of how they raise their kids and what it means for them to be able to provide for their families and community. That and more on another episode of Joe and Jada. #Volume #Herd
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm a passionate brother. I with my heart on my sleeve.
I cry a lot of it like that. I'm very emotional.
So when people talk about me, I gotta stand up
for me because nobody else is gonna stand up for me.
As you see. Yeah, I fight all my battles on
my own. I take losses and I take my ones
the same way. You're heard, the same smirk, just like this.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
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Speaker 1 (00:37):
You know what it is?
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
Now.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
First thing, first, we like to welcome my guests to
the show. You already knowing me, don't need too much introductions.
My brother Jim Jones, Capo status Year makes some noise
with everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Also, this is a p s A.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
We're not gonna talk about my brother styles and we're
not gonna talk about Camp one.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I don't condone that ship.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
In two.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
There's a lot more other beautiful ship.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Going on in the world.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It's another thing. To talk about me and me and
Staffs are actually brothers, two brothers that love each other.
I'll be wanting people to know that, like.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
You don't have to get into that because we already
know what it is and we're gonna and they're gonna
see soon enough, you know. I mean, element of surprise
is always beautiful. You've been very hard working over the
past few years, putting out projects, working everywhere, doing doing
(01:59):
tech work, doing all kinds of ship you you everywhere.
You're safe to say you've been very productive and very lit.
What's your motivation to keep making music? To stay you know,
relevant by being w's for your son.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
And all the money is always the motivation. I mean,
hip hop has gave me a life that I wouldn't
want to trade for nothing else in the world. I Mean,
I have my ups and downs, but for the most part,
this is this has been the hall of a rider,
and I'm just enjoying it even more. But to stay
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in it, you gotta be you gotta be real with
yourself and really realistic with your output. Because a lot
of people try to do it, but they don't. I
would say, try to do it. There's a lot of
people doing things. But for me, it's trying to be
able to reinvent myself the perseverance, staying current, not chasing
(03:00):
a young generation, but finding a medium where we both
could where we both could benefit from. So it was
a lot that comes with this journey in this past
few years that I put myself on a low to
prove to myself that a lot of these things you
see going on is things that I've actually proven to
myself and not for no one else. Things that I
know I could do, Things that I constantly tell myself
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to get up off your ass and get it done,
because you could do these things with your eyes closed,
and things like that. Procrastination as a motherfucker. And when
you at the top of your game and you discourage
a little bit, procrastination can hold you even more. And
they had to figure out how I had to learn
how to be comfortable and uncomfortable situations and things like that.
And you know, it's no different from coming to where
we came from and things like that. When I backward
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was against the world, we figured out different ways to
overcome that, and being in the game is no different.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Look at Jim Jones, he's a hall worker, He's relentless,
you don't stop. You definitely got better lyrically over the years, right,
And so at what point you said, y'all gonna get
nice and take the lyricism to another level because we've
(04:11):
been hearing it.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
But we see your growth, you know. And also.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I feel like you got a million people on your
back too, like like I learned from so many artists
from you, say at dice Pace, So say all the
other guys, you know, you ain't just pushing you, you
push you know, tell me about that gets me.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
It's always my passion to help people, and in music
that's been one of the things that I'm pretty good at.
I got a great ear for music, a great at
of talent. I know how to help them and curate
them into a way that they have a fair chance
of success. And that was one of the things that
I always wanted to do, even when there was a
time that I thought I was gonna stop doing music,
when I had just moved to Miami for a couple
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of years straight and just in a whole different zone.
But even in Miami, I chose to help a whole
bunch of artists out there, which I did Miami events
and That's how people got to hear Zoe Dallas and
shout out to my boy ball greasy and being money
and all these I mean, so it's something I have
a knack for them. But it seems like the more
that I gave it was the more that I got,
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you know what I mean. The more selfless I was
was the more that I was blessed, even in my
time that I needed the most. It was like I
gave the people when I didn't have nothing at certain times.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
The story of Jim Jones is pretty much making something
that of nothing. I don't want to make this a tradition,
but you're all from the Bronx. It just so happens.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Jad you know what I'm saying, he from the b
X now, because.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
It seems like everybody from the BX at all. You're
from the b a ah, I HALLM love you.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
You know what I'm saying. That's cool, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
But I just went through this with another guess, yeah,
I have to, but I've been I've been in both
in the Bronx and Hall. He sat Rocky.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Don't say he from the Bronx. He from the Bronx.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I know this I was really born in Hall.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
My hospital was a Okay, Damn, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I thought sim was born in Bronx Lebanon, but I was.
I was.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I'm born in Balls, Slebanon. So I hurt right now
saying you was.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Born in A. I mean they bring from from Flower
Firth Avenue. They bring me the Week's Avenue to Coton.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I need a mall lined up.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
No, I'm a I'm a Bronz kid. I just I'm
a hobbrid I was.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
I need a mall line I need all my chest pieces,
I need you know, the clips. They from the Bronx.
Then they moved down to v A. I'm just telling
you the truth.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
But I got I got the best of both worlds, man,
I got all the attributes from the Bronx and everything
from Harlem. Like I'm a real breed. Like I understand,
I'm a very aggressive red breed. I'm a very aggressive hustler,
you know what I mean. Like, I got the best
of both worlds. So I love it. Man, shouts to
the extra shouts all my guys.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
You know, people used to and I don't want to
sound like a broken record, but people used to champion
a hustler. Somebody who really wants to get money, want
to go on another level, take their family on another level.
They used to champion that, And I get it when
you sit here and we say, yo, why are you
cushing while you moving like you're twenty years old and
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you won't stopping this, and you're like, yo, I'm trying
to get this bread. I'm the same way. We love
hip hop culture, we love everything. I'm trying to get
this bread to make sure we financially secure. If you
understand what I'm saying, some people act like they cool
with being broke.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Or something like that.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
So I know your motivation and I understand your answer.
You know you're just a true huster from if we
wasn't rapping, we'd be selling whatever. Juice gives a fuck,
we're trying to get money, I'll pick up. I love juice,
I love juice, I love Kick Cafe. But what I'm
trying to say is I understand that about Jim Jones.
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The Jim Jones are hustle. He loves money, he loves
to find the things in life. And I said something
the other day, me and you talked about behind the
scenes where people don't get it right, So I said,
rappers work checked the check.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
What does that mean to you that statement, because me
and you had that conversation out.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I mean, it's the same difference of the people that's
coming up one of nine to five and they got
to pay their bills. We got to pay our bills
to the expenses that we acquire for having money is
the same expense that you have at the end of
the month. So we don't meet our quota. We don't
pay for these big ass houses in these fly cars
that we got there, they start taking them away the
same as you. You don't make that money, you didn't
pay that rent at the end of the month. Then
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they start coming with them notices and get you out
the CREB. No difference, there's no difference in the risks
even high for us, because we got so many things
going on and ship like that, and we start acquiring
bills out of nowhere, and pretty soon they're going is
good and sometimes it's going get bad. And then if
you ain't prepared for that and able to hold up
everything that uses a quiet, it disappears in the flash.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
You ever had to tell your wife death can for
Hope's the death.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Car break that down to me.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I've been a death before you heard.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
We we I'm pretty sure we, all three of me
could a test when shit is going beautifully.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And then is, like you said, is a time when
sh it ain't going beautiful?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
How do you persevere through them times that build's character?
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Let me tell you something. People in life, they always
and this ain't no shot to nobody right.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
People in life.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Let's say with me, I've been in a situation where
I'm doing fucked up. You know, better than your average guy,
but I'm doing fucked up compared to how I do.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
And people find reasons to disattach themselves.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
From you when you're going through the struggle and you're
sitting on the couch by yourself trying to figure out
how you're going to get about this whole. You know,
I had so called friends find excuses. One of my
friends had an argument with one of my friends.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
He was like, yo, Joe, I know that's more your man.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Than I am.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
You know, you stay with your man's and I stay
to me.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
I knew he used that opportunity thinking Joe fucked up,
Joe gonna need a dollar, He's gonna ask me, let me,
you know, and then you come back and you're bigger
than ever, and them guys are like they missed it.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I got a funny story I got missed. Let me
hear it.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
We ain't talk about nobody, but this has got to
be an education mine.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
When I was up, you know, you come ask me
some help. Cool go down, Nobody comes to help you.
You're hurt. But he's up now while I'm down, and
i'm you know, I see him all the time. Ain't nothing.
Now I'm back up. He's damn guess what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Asking you for help.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
No, I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that, your Jim, Jim,
I'm not doing it. I promise you on God, I'm
not doing it. I'm not doing it. I'm done with that.
I might be too old, y'all might be younger than
me to play that ship.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I'm not playing.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I'm not telling you how to discycle like this is
the crazy shit doing that to me?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Bro, I'm not doing Let me tell you.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I got a story.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Hold up, hold up, I got a story. I'm fucked up.
They take all my money. I know y'all don't want
to believe me, count and rob me, then pay my taxes.
When the government come to me. He wronged me for
one point two million.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
He ain't paying.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I'm paying them to pay and showed the government the
wires that I'm paying to your coming to pay my tax.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
They know I gave them the money, but they said
you as the leader of your household. Boom.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I go to court.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
I paid them the one point two again, paid the
lawyer number seven eight hundred. I got the number one
got cool, fucked me, put me in a little jail time.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
The point is, I go.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
First day to the studio, Yo, Jim Jones, I know
your story too well. I go first day to the studio,
come out of jail. You got these little niggas with
purple hair, yellow hair, thinking what the OG's doing in
the studio. They're really looking at us like we're wasting
our time. Don't know if you know that right, So
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they're looking at me. We come up all the way up, yo, Ram,
Come get on the song. It's all the way up.
It's spun one day that strip club and the ass
right there was fly Queen's. They say, Yo, we want
to do that single release party.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Bet yo, Ram, let's go. She's at it.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
She's jail eight years, I lose all my money. I
might as well been in jail for twin. I don't
do broke. Don't take this the wrong way, take this encouraging.
I don't do broke. I'm allergic to bro I'm gonna
go get it if it's in the fucking Africa, timbuctoo Asia,
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no rock unturned.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I'm going to get that dollar. Like, don't worry about it,
and I'm not complaining. I don't do bro But.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
One day the shit ring. The next day they say
single release. Maybe two days after all the way up
come out.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
You knew when you heard all the way up. You
knew when you heard it.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Holy shit. These guys hit one out the part. You
know it off one spent, they hit one out the park.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
So we go to aces.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
This is a two day effect, and this is probably
balling like there's a two day effect. The club is
on tilt, the walls are sweaty, out of control. I
get to my section and it's a hundred people in
my section and I'm sitting there like this, and they
coming up.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yo, God, we did it again. God, we did it
yo yo, God yo yo private jets again God yo
yo yo.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
They coming right and I'm sitting there, and Remy's there,
Pistol's dead, rest in peace.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Percy was there.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
So we rocked. I mean not even lean back. Yeah,
lean back did this. But just two days later, how
they understood every word. I didn't know it was one
of them, right, they turned the lights on. We're walking out.
I'm walking out with a hundred motherfuckers.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Me up, me, I stopped. This is the same story
you're breaking out.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I stop.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I turned around, I sit your pistol.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
I don't ever want let's see these niggas if my
life forgetting you.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
You you shoo yo, every.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Let me turn around and look at them and go.
You heard the God. We don't want to see y'all
no more. We walked out. We never seen them again.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
So you think, after all the times we put people
on privates, we take them on hotels, you ward shows,
you eating steaks, you eating lobsters.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
We're paying your bell, we're paying your rent, we're paying
your this and.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
This and that.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
You guys disappear when the time get rough, then you
want to show up talking about we did it again.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I swear to God, I've forgiving people before this time.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
It was over because I know I went to the
bottom of the battle God forgifts.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I don't now working out?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Watch you work out every day?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Important?
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Fitness is everything?
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Man?
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I mean, that's how I found the youth. That's the
way to live along with life. Fitness and diet. Diet
is just important. This fitness I had to learn that.
I was because I know you like eat.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I know you got it, like you have cheap day
with sweets?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah, No, how to stop all I actually had. I
was about to tell you, like the doctor like six
months ago, the doctor told me I was pre diabetic.
So it wasn't really about how much I was working out,
about how much sugar and bad food that rely and
trying to use the excuses working out. Even though I
was looking good, the inside wasn't looking good. So I
had to reverse that whole thing and just cut out
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the sugars, cut out the cakes, cut out the ice cream,
cut out everything that I really liked and shit like that.
To start eating real food and shoots it up to
a lot of fruits and shit like that. And I
feel a hundred times, but.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Will you cock these are you doing?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
You're doing too much your gym, You're doing push ups
in the snow with the dog on top of you,
with a chain hanging.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Off a ship one arm. That ship is unbelievable. Like
I'm looking at this God, I could.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Be anywhere in the world, Jim Jose and he shows
you how much you're not healthy.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
When I see this guy just zooming through the gym,
you too, You you big on it too.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Jon jab in there, I'll be watching. You're a ball
going ahead. I can't I can't get it. I'm just
trying to be prepared for whatever come at me, you
know what I mean? Like I live. I live a
life that comes with a lot, and I gotta be
ready to stand to off or whatever comes out of me.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Let me ask a question when we're done with that,
when we I feel like I'm done with that, with
anything coming at us, right like I think we all
prove Hold up.
Speaker 7 (17:55):
Let me just let me say something that happened to you,
and I know the airport, I know from what I'm
saying to you. Start with him, Okay, So that's this
is what was mean.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
So if I wasn't on my dem the white man
would have got the best of me and niggas with
my whole career to have my career been down that
it would have been the biggest thing in the media
for years. The nigga you should have had tough with
the white man like they would have been wallowing me up.
Your white with you.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
And I know he fucked with you because I know
you well and I know your characters.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
So I know he over fucked with you.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Definitely.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
You understand what I'm saying. He taunted you to the
to the level of I know about this. I opened
the curtain that Roy Jones was waiting for me, behind
the curtain, champion of the work, ready to knock my
block off.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Okay, so I know about being when I got shot,
I had thirty forty guys. I turned the corner, ho boy,
waiting for me alone. I'm telling you the true story.
I'm the king of getting turn like that.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Wasn't for you with joking. What happened? When what happened?
When you don't do that?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Everybody know that Roy Jones. Don't do that to Roy Jones.
Roy Jones, when he was waiting for you and doah,
oh my, he wasn't dolo.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
He had First of all, I had one hundred and
fifty guys because we clear about that. It was all
jar Ru's this one. I'm trying to tell you you
could be with one hundred and fifty. Open the curtain.
These dudes over there, yo, they tell you that not we.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
In New York.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Jar Ru album released New York is the biggest art
just performed with you.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I spun it around.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
I opened the curtain to walk to the back Jim Jones,
except Roy Jones is standing there with the devil in
his eye.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
No you not understanding. There is the Champ for the world.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
I had to grab his wrist, be like, yo, Champ, Yo,
I don't even know no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I've avoided everything you could think of. I know how
to do it.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
So I grab his wrists and I'm pretty much begging him,
not that, not to knock me out, Yo, Champ.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I know you're gonna knock me out.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yo.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
This he had the guy, he had some guys with him.
He had one of them.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yo.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
Let me tell you the way most people die is
the guy in the back. Get him, champ knock him out, Champ, yo,
and put that battery.
Speaker 9 (20:36):
I'm here, I'm the last person this pussy, and but
I don't want to start arguing with him because I
might agitate the chaps.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yes, so I'm trying to talk. I'm trying to talk
to him like.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
I'm like, yo, champ, yo, hip hop this this that
so the guy trying to gasp him, you know the
hook off For me, it happened to me one time
they caught me over here, certain they were trying.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
To kill me.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
It was about thirty guns some shit, and one guy
with byefocals kept trying to guess the nigga Yo, just
light him up.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Fuck that. I'm pleading for my life.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yo.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
This We're all Puerto Rican. We can make this happen.
Don't worry about it. Guys are chill, They're ready to come.
Speaker 10 (21:24):
I'm over there trying to man it is a dude
with byefocals gear it to them now like so you
can't go with them with with those guys.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Long story short is, once the crew figured out and
I tell I start feeling pussy, I let the champ go.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I go your cham night. I said, I'm gonna be
honest with you. No, no, he know the story and
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
I see your champ.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
You see those one one hundred and fifty guys and
they over there chilling, smoking blood wrap, and the guther said,
nobody's gonna fight you.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Those guys right there with me. So he looked. He said,
it's hip hop. He's not pussy for no one sake.
Roy Jones. Can't anybody think ROYD Jones is not Roy
Jones came to pack me up. The point is what
he said, you gotta be ready for it. I'm just
talking about in general.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I don't know if a nigga ready for that. Roy Jones, though,
we're gonna have to jump. We have to jump this.
This niggah you got, you.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Got a hundred fifty to try. It's like a hundred
man against.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
But it's just it's just the one second is gonna
take for him him, No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
To put you three times one second.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I was.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Gonna hit him.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Let me ask, you thought I didn't know that? It
is like a switch one you thought me.
Speaker 8 (22:42):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
You thought I wasn't telling.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
That you the win I should come from yo, think
nigga tole you for the Rocky ship.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Now Joe trying to say, is no such thing as
dressing age us being.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Known as one thing? I don't think. I don't think
there's a thing that's dressing your age. I think there's
a thing that's dressing your wage. I just wage appropriate,
not age appropriate. Clean he offer.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
The people that understand the difference between age wage.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Shit, you don't know the difference between age and waging.
You out the loop, nigga. That's pretty simple. I mean,
even for the most part, I just how I feel. Man.
When it comes to fashion, it's all about who you are, man,
It's all about your personality, what makes you feel good,
what makes you feel confident, what makes you feel flying.
And that's all I've been doing. I haven't been doing
to anything too special. I got a different aesthetic than
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most people and things like that, and it kind of
connected to the masses and things like that. But I
haven't done nothing different than what I've seen outside on
the street, callers from the hustlers, and bits and pieces
from television, and I get my staff from so many
different array of different things, you know what I mean,
From past things that I've seen even to now. I mean,
(24:01):
it's this is all how I feel in the day
and things like that. People get caught up in thinking
that fashion or having style has to do with a
name brand, when it really doesn't. It's all about you.
You you're the name brand. How you put that ship
on just because it has a name? Random? Mean that
ship is looking good when you got it on. That's
what I'll be trying to tell people things like that.
(24:22):
I mean, like ship, I bought some ship from Walmart
and looks probably look better than you. And you got
some ship on from from Louis and ship like that.
It's all about who rocking and taking shut Louis hooding. No, no, no, no,
I think it's Louis.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Damn you man, Well listen, the fly is this podcast.
I don't know if you've been too dead, But we
bought more ship.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
We just would get We just we just got a
couple of friends and he's making us losing.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
All right, we throw that ship on, gay, That's okay.
When can I get you to rewind the time? Will
you ever rewinded?
Speaker 1 (25:01):
No? Not that type of person. You just won't. Nah,
I'm just not that type of person. I mean, I
put a lot of work in to be here this
long tip to see these grades. God bless my uncle Clinton.
He used to have a face full of grades in
the bid. He's pretty much the reason why I grew
my bed. When I was coming up, the bed was
always fly and I watched his big go from black
(25:22):
to grade and with silver, and he always kept that
thing lining up. It was just dope. And I was like, man,
he respected his age and respected the work he put in.
He was like, I ain't with no dying. I'm not
doing none of that and I kind of not do
it effectively. And I love it.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
You look good to listen to me, You look good.
I don't knock nobody for what everybody. Everybody got what
they got. Everybody. Everybody gotta do what they gotta do.
It's a beautiful business. And devil you got going on,
you know what I mean? Like I cannot knock that
everybody could want everybody everybody.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Here, But you see somebody like this, It is a
perfect transformation. And I should have caught him on Father's
Day and told him you can, I please come with
the ball.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
But rewind this guy won't rewind the tom. That's the
guy I gotta convince that I.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Got, I gotta I got. I'm like an old school
number jack type of dude. That's my type of vibe,
you know what I mean, Like I don't put too
much on family.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Your hero. You're a hero to your family. You provide,
you provide passion.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
I know you got a big family, sisters, moms, and
I don't want to speak out of place, but I
feel like you like me.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
You take care of everybody.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah, I take care. I take care of everybody in
my family, everybody, everybody, take care of the bills, everything.
You know what I mean. It's my it's my pleasure.
It's my pleasure. No, you do everything.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
You just you just got moms and pops a new spot.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
I'll be watching. He got it, he got his he
got his baby girl.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
But I'm talking about his sisters everybody on. Okay, okay,
but we're not interviewing you.
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Speaker 4 (28:10):
I recently saw a clip on the Instagram where a
young kid was comparing you to Nas and saying that
you got big hits you y'all. He looked to you,
He learned how to wear the BB Simon belt from you,
(28:33):
He got his swag.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Like, how crazy is that?
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Because in my era, you know what I'm saying, Nas
is like a god in my in my era too
to be compared me.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Let me not, let me let me make that young
kid out, Let me get let me, let me let
me get young Andy. We loved that he loved you.
I want you. Let's break this down.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I admired Nas. Remember Na's first record that Barbaru came
out when I was in eleventh grade. So Nas was
my idol when I was young, like you did, came
to dressing, the world, play the music, everything. I was
a superiod Nas fan period. I'd never take that away
from him. But then as I got in the game,
you got to realize that your rivals will be idols,
(29:15):
and not to take anything away from that. I developed
my own style and my own lane that these kids
start to gravitate towards to towards to the same way
I gravit gravitated towards Nas when I was younger, and
things like that. It's a whole different, whole different generation.
You're talking about ninety four ninety three. I was in
eleventh grade. It's twenty twenty five. There's a big gap there,
(29:38):
you know what I mean. And I want people to
understand that. So when Shorty's telling people that year he's
twenty some years old, that goes to show the part
of the era that he's in that I came in
into light and started going crazy. That these kids love me.
They don't really know who Nas is if he's twenty
two he's born in three not all of them. Some
(29:58):
of them though, you know what I mean, Yes, but
it's that music. No. Some kids no, no, I love that,
some kids that love hiphops. But their kid, Yeah, he's
your son, he's your son, he's your son, my son,
my son. Can't tell you one nives record. You're like,
let's not let's let's keep it a buck here, let's
(30:20):
keep it. Let's keep let's let's keep it a buck.
Let's keep it a buck because you'll bring it up.
There must be some type of misconception or what's that
word of when it comes to Jim Jones and what
Jim Jones have done in this game. A lot of
these rappers made him take the darkies. A lot of
(30:41):
these rappers have done a tremendous job. And I take
nothing away from them, but they forget I got a
hell of a catalog. Meet Jim Jones myself, Gold Records,
Platinum Records, Gold record, gold album's platinum. You know me,
Jim Jones, No diplomats, no nobody else me Jim Jones.
Check nine track record, then check everybody else track record.
Can go to the billboards and check all my entries
(31:02):
and check all them niggas entries and ship like that.
I'm not taking nothing away from nobody, but I hear
the comparisons, and then niggas be trying to act funny
when it comes No, I've been spanking a lot of
this ship. I'm talking about the industry I've been putting on.
So let's not get into that way. We're getting the numbers,
and I got to show you the statistics of what
I've done. You heard to what other people was done.
You heard them. You want to go to the billboard entries,
(31:24):
pull up now his billboard entries and pull up my
billboard entries.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Listen, we can't compare it to what I'm trying to.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
You know, I want to go there. No, no, no,
I want to go down the line now because going
down to line No, he's a rapper and I'm a
round you know.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
No, let's go statistically feels great.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
No, but I want to go statistically because when people
be like I feel.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
About the numbers, my numbers back up and he stepped
up to the forefront. Us in the music of hip
hop culture.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Have a problem.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
Is it is it?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
And there's nothing that the world goes off numbers, But
in hip hop. We don't pay enough homage to those
before us the correct way.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
And sometimes it's even myself, so it gets no other
genre of music.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Fucking I don't even know who to is.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
Yeah, but you understand hip hop is like is never
gonna say that about hip hop? As like basket Jarma
Rad get on the call with Lebron you want to kill.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
This is what this is about. Any of that ship is.
This is what this is. This is what this is about.
There's nothing that this never is me putting me up
against anybody. I'm taking me every time, every time, category me,
every category. I'll get busy.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Started officer post saying you grew up watching not the
only probably didn't take that away. The only situation I'm
saying now to you right there is no kids worship you.
It's starting.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
No.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
No, I'm not doing this. I'm not doing I did
not know because you're really friends with him, You not me.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
I don't know him.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
He's a beautiful guy.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
He don't be mad at your well. I'm not bring
my name up in that conversation, bro, Like, come on, nobody,
I'm not gonna talk to do that hot minds every
time people not doing do listen, niggas don't even know
(33:40):
about the audio. Talk. Can we talk?
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Can we talk about all right? I love this interview
although it was very painful. You had a tough time.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
When I seen you. I don't forget where it was at,
if it was hot.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Ninety seven or something, when you were just saying, yo,
you're family man. You never made no excuses even when
you went through tough times. You know, you took care
of your family. They never knew you was going through
tough times. I applawed you with that interview. I feel
like that's one of them classic interviews that stands out
to me in hip hop music. Do you feel like
(34:22):
after that interview now, do you feel like that's what
you was talking about? Like, I'm gonna fight my way
back to the top, and I feel good right now
about where I'm at in the world because I love
that interview.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Interview was just a test the way I was at
the time and the things that I knew I had
to do in order for me to progress. He bought
their temperature back. Then this ship off and on.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I got different characters.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
I gotta play. We talk about the sport and I'm
gonna go You heard me talk.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
About let's talk about it.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Let's talk about But that's the interview and the passion
you had behind that.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I still got the same passion as you can see
you hear. I'm a passionate brother. I wear my heart
on my sleeve. I cry a lot of shit like that.
I'm very emotional. So when people talk about me, I
got to stand up for me because nobody else is
going to stand up for me. As you see, I
fight all my battles on my own. I take losses
and I take my ones the same way. You're heard
the same smirk, just like this. Let's get this correct,
(35:21):
because you know the media has stressed this shit so
many different ways. When they see me get excited, I
get excited because I'm a very passionate person. Everybody knows us,
and I said, man, when you talk about me, I'm
always gonna pick me first. But as a fan, one
of the biggest fans of A Knaves, I know what
his albums were for. Word back and forth like that
was my ror when I was first coming outside, and
(35:42):
things like that. Nas I wrote the playbook for how
we was running the streets and things that. He also
dressed the way we was running the streets back then
and things like that, and not to take him out
and away from my hall of niggas, but Nas had
a hold on us and shit like that when we
was younger and things like that. The same way Pod
had a hold on us. But from New York City.
He came with a whole different flavor in a different
case at the time that was well needed. It switched
from what we heard, and Big Daddy came to a
(36:03):
whole nother way of hustlers, was talking and rhymen and
things like that, and everybody understood that. Like you know,
he was like, I can never take away anything that
he's done in the game. I can't, you heard, And
that's not it. But as a competitive man, that's all
I'm doing is popping my ship and this is what
hip hop is about. But for the most part, I
got no problem with no South to noa South to all.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
The most influence you now that you did, you said
that from from growing up artists who's been so you
could even to this day, who's most.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Who named some at so you music or whatever year whatever.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Rock Cam Nas, Big Daddy, Carrius one uh No col
G hool G. I'm going down the line. Now you
have going down a loud You're gonna make me. That's
good ship, you know what I mean? Like you, like you,
you want to do you wanted a few people that
(36:57):
persevered from the cool gi errors and that like that.
You did, like you, like you did, like you. Gotta
always remember that. I don't know if you ever sit
down and think about that, Like, Yo, we've been watching
you for a long time and things like that on
LLLL Buster Fat Joe, who else got a lot of
it's a lot of It's I'm a hip hop. I'm
a hip hop. I'm a hip hop baby. I used
(37:18):
to Rick watch Ralph McDaniels every day after school. I
want to see every bit of videos everything. I want
to see all of that you heard, like I knew
everything about that.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
You heard, like that channel still the fat back TV?
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah you had, you had and you had to turn
it back. And then was thirteen you had to turn
the thirteen. You had to turn the thirteen. You thirty one, yeah, thirteen, Yeah, yeah,
they don't know about that. I guess calikover and the days.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
Tell me some of the things you're doing right now,
some of the things you turn into the journeyst I'm not.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I just actually I'm kind of excited. I just brought
a major facil in the Bronx. What I'm doing an
incredible content space, and I'm opening the doors to some
incredible content creators and influencers and streamers and gamers and
things like that. Social my officer. There's a bit of
a headquarters. I'll be setting up the Drip Report news
(38:17):
news room and there and things like that like that.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
I ain't see one in a while.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Do everything myself now. It's a beautiful thing. So you know,
I'm i'ma be running a lot of TV shows out
of there. I got like two podcasts set up in
their studio. It's a beautiful thing, you know what I mean.
So that's one of the things that I'm excited that
I've been working on on. You know, the music is
out right now. The albums are doing pretty good. Thank
you for everybody that's been supporting the album at the
(38:45):
church steps shouts. All my artists have been supporting me
shout space. So that made the movies about to drop.
The movie will be out in the the.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Movie I wanted to be in the movie.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I just ain't. I missed it got two days of
reh I'm doing it. I want to do it.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Let me take me a priest. No, I'm in, I'm in.
I want to be in the movie.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
I believe in your creativity. I believe in your drive.
And when I seen you shooting the movie, I didn't
know how to tell you. Yo, Jim, give me a
little five minutes of fame. I want to be a
little pastor.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I want to be god father seen Si. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
Frank's life and that ship right there I talk to
the one second that slim Loop.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
She was about to blow up in the shit I
distracted him called blew up. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
But this movie.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Tell us about this movie. I love when you do that.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
I love everything you're saying right now, how you take
matters into your own hands. I always get upset when
I look at mine career because you don't. I discovered
Big Pun, Rebbee, Ma, DJ Khaled, Cool and Dre. I
could I could tell you who I discovered. The one
person that fumbled the bag with was Tony Sunshine, and
(40:10):
he was incredible ahead of his time. And I kept
waiting for the record label to do it and now
we know how to do it ourself. And if this
was years back, I would have been able to blow
them up because we know what we're doing now. So
I love that you said you create movies in your
studio space podcast this. I love that you taking matters
(40:31):
into your own hand to push the future forward.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
That's a that's a commendable thing right there. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
I mean, we gotta do some looking at these youngsters
making money off these off these streamings and all these things,
and you know, as businessmen, we got to learn how
to diversify. And this is the direction that hip hop
and UH entertainment is going, so we got to be
on top of everything. So I need a piece of
that too. That's how I'm thinking. That's how I think
of across the board. Like I'm not trying to get
(41:01):
left in what was going on yesterday. I'm trying to
be on what's going on tomorrow. And I know tomorrow
never comes, that's all. You got to be prepared for it.
I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
I know exactly what you talked about. I feel the
same way you talking to you preach it to the converted,
you know.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Blessed man, how about y'all is so so I could
say I honestly know both of yourll since ninety seven,
I'll say this ninety seven and watching both of y'all
just go crazy in the game as from a fans
perspective before I actually got to be in it and
shit like that, and then seeing YO just make so
(41:37):
much money and just going I remember watching you on MTV.
You had like the drop top Bentley black shit, I
believe it was. I was just like, oh, like, I
got to get this bag. I don't know what the
fuck is this fuck is going on? And Jada and
niggas used to always come to Harlem. They be with
d they got all types of cars on two fifth
and shit like that. I'm like, a man, what the fuck? So,
how does it feel to know that you lived a
(42:00):
life like this for so long? Like you know what
I mean? Like, would you trade it? Not at all?
Would you do it all over again? Would you would
you change something? Do it all over the same.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
If I could do it all over, I would just
probably listen a little more fixed, a little bit of
you know, situations like cracks that I had a counting
situations with, you know, they put lean on the accounting
shit fucked up and you know what I mean, So
a little shit like that, but it was also learning
(42:32):
lessons then never let it happen again, and you know
what I mean, and get shit straight as you get older.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
But yeah, I would have did.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
A little more lesson and listening and paid a little
more attention to the business aspect of it at a
young age instead of just being worrying about my verses
and rhuynds and you know, the wrong shit.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Other than that, I.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
Would have did everything exactly the same about you.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
You know, my favorite record right now is it's not enough.
It's not enough.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
Like I hear this shit like when I hear it's
not enough, I hear a different way. They got guns,
but it's not enough. They got dudes, it's not enough,
Like I really that shit is cemented in my brain
right And when you ask me, I say to yourself,
it's not enough. And when you talk about finances.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
It's not enough.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
Success, it's not enough. Everything's not enough. I'm not fulfilled,
my cup is not full. I don't feel cool, and
I'm gonna be a man about this that I came
in the same game with guys and they got to
the billy and I ain't get to the billy.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
And just like he said, I fucked up.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
I was in the club seven days a week, thirty dudes,
buying fifty bottles every day, fifty steaks Jimmy's Ron Scafe.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Oh, I wasted a lot of time. When you ask me, sure,
I'm grateful.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
Sure, I'm thankful to God that I'm in the position
that we are, and you people might look at it
it's like, yo, he's successful, it's not enough. And so
I know you could relate to this because you saying
the same shit I'm saying in a different way. It's
not enough like I want and I'm not lying guys,
(44:23):
So maybe y'all can understand me a little bit more
because people get a little mad at me because they
think a brag and I think a big shit.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
That's whoy.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
I am right, And so I want to be the
fat guy painted in the picture a hundred years from
now and great grandchildren to be like, we're here because
of fat Joseph Carter Jr.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
One hundred years ago.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
This man made a.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
Billion dollars and left it to us in the trust,
and we're still eating off this guy. I swear to God,
that's what I want and if everybody could do it,
do it, so it ain't attainable.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
I just realized I could have did it, but I
was bullshitting a lot.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
So now when you see me, I'm on my business
ventures on another level, just all my shit is like
and life is life, and you know I'm projected to win.
I'm telling you, I'm projected to win everything. I'm telling
you I'm projected to go there like I'm on that,
(45:26):
Like I know you know what I'm saying. I'm like,
you know what, the football player, hang on to the
back of the jersey.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
Tryer.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
I'm on the back of the jersey. I got so
many arrows pointed the right way, but it got to happen.
I want to know what it feels like when.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
That level of success happens, when you could turn around
and be.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Like, that's it. I guess. I guess we all have
a different painting of success. I feel like my mistake
was I depended on people to do things that I
knew I knew how to do on my own. That's
from accounting to engineering, to marketing to doing videos to
(46:07):
doing movies. I didn't I learned that twenty years later.
Like yo, bro, all that shit you let people do
and fit and they feel for you and shit like that,
you get to do it on your own and been
up you're hurt. Cool, But being up is one thing.
Making a billion dollars is another thing. Yeah, we always
love to make a billion dollars. From my perspective, money
doesn't move me, like like people, do you know what
I mean? So maybe I might not leave money here
(46:28):
for generations to come, but I will leave a blueprint or.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
What it would take for you to get to a bag.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
And I do know that my whole family and my
bloodline going. No, this nigga was a dog, and if
you follow what he did, God bless you, because you're
gonna go somewhere that you didn't know you could go.
You heard. And I think for me, that's worth more
than any money that I could leave, and God bless me.
I hope I leave all the money in the world,
but I think that blueprint would be strong enough for
my son to take with him and go crazy.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
We got that, we got my son is right outside.
We got that where.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
It's safe for me to say we grew up with
not much and then we want to make things better
for our kids. And historically, when you look at successful
people that come from nothing because we protected our kids
so much, they're not hustlers like like us or we
(47:23):
want him to be hustles.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Do you find that in hip hop? Do you find that?
Speaker 1 (47:29):
Or you know?
Speaker 4 (47:30):
That's how I look at it, just with everybody, I
mean billionaires, I mean people who make.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Money Bailey, right, but you have if you have a son,
your son vicharacter is gonna grow in to who you are.
So if your son knows you to be a hustler,
guess what's gonna happen for your son when his back
is against the wall and daddy ain't around no more.
Everything he's seen daddy doing, daddy teaching, he gonna start
to instill. Is He's not gonna sit there to be
like a child. You're heard like I watched my son
(47:57):
closely and then his manners, every how you move and
things like that, and the rebellion, the rebel with him
that he shows me and shit like that only shows
that he's trying to show me. Bro I'm about to
get on my ship. I mean, like the things some
of the things that he do, like these kids ain't
no chumps. Just because we uh raise them right, just
because we uh cover them up, just because we wanted
(48:20):
to have a better life of them, doesn't mean that
they don't have to hustle in them. They just have better,
better chances of better odds, are doing something way different
than we ever had a chance to do them. I agree.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
I love that answer. You know, I ain't gonna lie
to you. I love that answer because we just want
what's best for our kids. We want them to step
up to the occasion. And I just think like parenting
by parenting they needs. Every kid is different, takes a village,
(48:52):
and they don't give us no instructions for parents, no
fucking And that's what I'm trying to give them now.
If you don't know where I've been going this whole
interview is I've been going about family and fighting through
shit and going through this this whole infabous.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
That's what I see in you.
Speaker 4 (49:08):
I see passion, I see drive, I see relentlessness. I
see you working for your family. I see you working
for your team. You putting guys on while you still
trying to get to where you go.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
That's the thing. See this game of smoking mirrors. I
don't want nobody to watch what I say, watch what
I do in the midst of me talking shit, I'm
still getting up, getting to the bag. I'm still working,
and I'm still going to the office and still make
sure everything has to be done under my roof for
me to live and be successful about here. You know
what I mean, Like never forget that bottom line, I'm
still doing all the things I need to do in
the midst of the circus that you'll see going on.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
You know what I mean, And they see it. You
know what I'm saying. What I'm trying to tell you
is if I see it, they see it.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
That's for anybody. Like a nigga told me one day,
even if you don't got a job, you get up.
You get up, my mind, You get up and go
outside and act as if you've got a job. Don't
stay in no house. Go outside and hustle. Go outside
and find some gasside and something broke, Get your ass up, man.
Speaker 4 (50:02):
I come from my father. My father was an immigrant
from Cuba. My father was a master baker. He had
an argument with his boss. He was thirteen years in
the bakery. He had a argument with his boss he
thought he couldn't get fired.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
He got fired. The next day.
Speaker 4 (50:19):
We went with money he had saved up to say,
like a g this was a long time ago, and
we went and bought toys in twenty third Street and
Broadway brought it up to where my stoes at. That's
why I got my first up and YC store one
five eight to Broadway and was selling toys and snowstorms,
hustling the little motorcycles and baseball bats and shit for
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double the money. That's where I learned to be an entrepreneur.
When the summer came, my father was the old man you.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Saw with the icy.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
He made no excuses. That's why I don't make excuses.
We just got better situations at getting to where we're getting.
And thank God for hip hop that the music you
see you still you still you still an MC, meaning
like you still are on that. I was like that
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for a very long time till I said to myself,
I said like this. For a long time, I lived
off for shows and I'd be like, yo, I got
two three shows this month, this is money. And then
I realized, well, shit gets slow. I got to diversify
and find other ways to get money.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
You understand what I'm saying. So I was so then
I had to learn how to make businesses and do
shit like that to this.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
You just said what you said, Nigga told me, Nigga,
stop worrying about how to make money and learn how
to make business. Because you make business, that's they're gonna
make the money for you. You said it. I had
to learn that, bro, because I wasn't fucking making music
off of money off of music for a long time.
Like Bro, I didn't had no hit, So I had
to figure out how to make business to make myself
some money and still sustain this lifestyle because at the
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end of the day, it's all about sustainability this lifestyle,
no matter how you look at it. We exton stone up.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
They don't understand. I'm gonna play that I'm older than you.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Thing right here, thirty years of sustainability, your niggas is on.
Speaker 4 (52:15):
What I'm trying to tell you is that we know guys,
especially us three, and we salute the guys because I
salute the guy I knew who was getting money in
eighty eight and be like yo, such and such like
I'll salute them. Look, I'll never I never look at people.
My lenses never look at people at they down moment.
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I always remember when they was on top, or when
they inspired me, or.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
They was rocking.
Speaker 4 (52:42):
But a lot of the guys that I grew up
with or I knew, had runs and that's over now.
And I'm not mad at them. If they got a
legit job and they moving on with life or whatever,
I salute them. But you know how hard it is
to be fly for thirty years? To walk into the casket? Fly,
you gotta walk into the casket, fly, Yo.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
How you walk into the cask?
Speaker 4 (53:06):
Well, you don't walk into the casket. But the point
you get what I'm saying, No, that's hard. It's like
you y'all, don't talk about that old dudes that had
it be the same old dudes that radit. You know
how crazy that line hits me every time I hear
that song and you say that line. They ain't even
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got to be the purpose, don't even got to be
about ratit. It's just about so many guys have runs,
and then they start talking about.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
Yo, I used to be this. I used to be that, Yo,
I used to have this cool.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
I'm not mad I used to but don't make it
seem like they used to is relevant. Now I'm with
a good. I'm with a good I'm with a good.
Glory story finished you heard, I'm with that. I love
all the old hustle stories, but some old hustles carry
it the wrong way and no disrespect.
Speaker 4 (53:58):
I'm looking at YouTube of them, got an AARP car
talking that shit, no teeth, still talking that shit.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
I'm like, yo, bro, you can't hold.
Speaker 4 (54:07):
A smack twenty twenty five and he ain't carrying it right,
so you shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
You should be homeed. Don't even mention it because what
you're talking about and how you looking is not reflecting
on what we're doing out here, you know what I mean,
and not taking nothing away from you. You can tell
your story and be humble about it, but if you're
not looking the part to get into the bag, your
story means nothing in the eyes of people that's really
doing it. And you're trying to prove a point. And
we're not talking down to you, but come on, you're
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heard like.
Speaker 4 (54:32):
We love you and we big you up, and we
probably the only guys that are pulled a car over
and be like, yoh, my hustles, homee me this and
this and that. But then it's like cool. If you
ain't got that run no more. You get yourself a job,
you take care of your family.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
You can solute your same.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
Way, don't.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
Most don't talk.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
I know a bunch of old hustlers that used to
get money, that got good jobs. Right now, when I
see them, I still praise them the same way I
praise them when I was younger.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
I'm the same way. So we preaching the same thing.
But but there's a few of them.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
They missed me. Oh no.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
They have a conversation walking control and so.
Speaker 4 (55:15):
You're looking at him and you're like, yo, y'all talking
about like I keep I don't think you know what it.
Speaker 1 (55:23):
Is like I feeling like they gotta say that some
type of yo, but entitlement vicariously through the hustle of
shape rule that they had.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
Like you know what I'm saying, like, Yo, your brother
forever old because what they did back then?
Speaker 1 (55:37):
Bro, what are you talking about? Bro? I don't even
know you say.
Speaker 4 (55:40):
For my error, I'm sitting here, go to Fat Joe
with the hoodie right once again, got a hundred guys outside.
You keep a hooding no, no, always always back in
the day.
Speaker 2 (55:55):
Right, I walk in the bathroom. It's a cod Diesels
his stuard. He's you out of this like you look
like you had to refrigerated.
Speaker 1 (56:04):
You know.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
The man came home just now.
Speaker 4 (56:08):
It's got the bathroom got a long mirror, right, and
the man sees me and he goes by the way.
Speaker 2 (56:17):
I've never been extorted in my life.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
I don't understand it.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
You got to kill me. It just doesn't exist in
my DNA. The man looks at me and said, ten years,
ten years. Now, you know you think you know these
people some ten years ten years? I did ten. So
I'm looking at the mirror. I'm taking the piss. Somebody
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got the pay it's ten years. I'm like, no, I'm listening. No,
it really happened, like I'm being out of So I'm like,
he's ten years. So I'm thinking he.
Speaker 4 (56:52):
Thinks I got him in trouble for ten years, and
so I'm trying to hear him marls ten years. I've
been reading the magazines, but hearing you talking this shit
straight up.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
You told me just like that. We're talking off the
hearing you talking this shit. I come home.
Speaker 4 (57:09):
Everybody's saying, don't fuck with Fat Joe. This, this Dad, this,
he said, I don't believe it. I had a hundred
guys outside that door. I said, I don't believe it.
And you gonna do this hard way or the nice way.
Somebody got to pay for my ten years. So of
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course for me, I'm looking in the mirror and I'm like, finally,
one nigga tries me. Finally. I'm you, man, I'm looking
at the mirror. I'm like this Now, it's one thing
to disrespect Fat Joe. But we in the bathroom and the.
Speaker 2 (57:56):
Toilet. Hold on, what Jo, this is Joe, Big Joe
all outside, But listen what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (58:02):
The door opens, the door to somebody taking the ship
and this my brother surge in surges like these guys,
they can't take you violating Fat Yoe on noeh.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
Like he can't breathe. He's like crawling on this. It's
in the middle.
Speaker 1 (58:23):
I see him.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
I'm like, he's like like they're talking to Joe like this.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
Ah.
Speaker 4 (58:29):
He's grabbing the wall like he can't believe, he can't
he's hyper mentally. He cannot believe this. Right, man, we
put the beats on this guy. So legend not a hundred,
just us too. He drank pisk water and everything. And
I gotta salute the man because he never I never
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heard of him again.
Speaker 2 (58:52):
I never seen him.
Speaker 1 (58:53):
Again, but drank love yong, y'all. Puerto Rican niggas was
putting beats on niggas back in the day from the
fever on up. I've been outside so what like ninety
four ninety three, y'all niggas the rubber I'm talking about,
(59:15):
so God bless big pump, Bro. I've not seen pun
punish so many niggas, Bro, like so many I've seen
punk takets chain off in the tunnel and punish to punishing,
punished like no pun intended, but pun intended punish niggas
like yo, Bro, Big pun was yo Bro. Y'all, y'all,
y'all was some wild Puerto Ricans. Bro. I cannot lie, Bro.
(59:36):
Just looking at the history of this watch yoh.
Speaker 4 (59:40):
Listen, Man Pun had this thing called nos to the brain.
I swear to god he had this think. I'll tell
you a quick one, but you know, you know, I'm
like the biggest lie on the internet. Now they call
me the cap King, right. I used to play softball.
This is an ill story. I used to play softba
on my block. So this dude walked by. You know,
(01:00:03):
I'm from the plot man, I'm from them projects my
whole life. I don't care if I'm fat Joe the rapper,
somebody who grew up with me. They might talk funny
to me and you'll be like, Yo, what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
They talk like?
Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
You know, we know each others's kindergarten. You ain't shit bullshit?
Picture you that He's going crazy? Is the dude I
grew up with? Right, Fuck you suck? You know what
we're doing all that? So Pun was my number one
fan When I play softball, Pun sitting the dugout every game.
He will watch every game, right, So Punk started talking
(01:00:37):
to him, Yo, what's stupid this stuff?
Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
They arguing?
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
So, you know the city park they got, the city
park that got the gates.
Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
I watched Pun bade him to come close enough, and
he punched them through the gate, damn and knocked them out.
They have to bring the ambulance through the gate. I'm
talking about the hand didn't go through the gate, but
you know what I'm saying, Chris.
Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
He got and yeah, yeah, exactly through the boom nose
to the brain. This and no it was yo.
Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
He had legendary strength. Uh, this is that boost mobile
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Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Thanks for having a guest today. Capo status makes some
noise for my brother.
I'm a passionate brother. I with my heart on my sleeve.
I cry a lot of it like that. I'm very emotional.
So when people talk about me, I gotta stand up
for me because nobody else is gonna stand up for me.
As you see. Yeah, I fight all my battles on
my own. I take losses and I take my ones
the same way. You're heard, the same smirk, just like this.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
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Speaker 1 (00:37):
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Now.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
First thing, first, we like to welcome my guests to
the show. You already knowing me, don't need too much introductions.
My brother Jim Jones, Capo status Year makes some noise
with everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Also, this is a p s A.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
We're not gonna talk about my brother styles and we're
not gonna talk about Camp one.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I don't condone that ship.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
In two.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
There's a lot more other beautiful ship.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Going on in the world.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It's another thing. To talk about me and me and
Staffs are actually brothers, two brothers that love each other.
I'll be wanting people to know that, like.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
You don't have to get into that because we already
know what it is and we're gonna and they're gonna
see soon enough, you know. I mean, element of surprise
is always beautiful. You've been very hard working over the
past few years, putting out projects, working everywhere, doing doing
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tech work, doing all kinds of ship you you everywhere.
You're safe to say you've been very productive and very lit.
What's your motivation to keep making music? To stay you know,
relevant by being w's for your son.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
And all the money is always the motivation. I mean,
hip hop has gave me a life that I wouldn't
want to trade for nothing else in the world. I Mean,
I have my ups and downs, but for the most part,
this is this has been the hall of a rider,
and I'm just enjoying it even more. But to stay
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in it, you gotta be you gotta be real with
yourself and really realistic with your output. Because a lot
of people try to do it, but they don't. I
would say, try to do it. There's a lot of
people doing things. But for me, it's trying to be
able to reinvent myself the perseverance, staying current, not chasing
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a young generation, but finding a medium where we both
could where we both could benefit from. So it was
a lot that comes with this journey in this past
few years that I put myself on a low to
prove to myself that a lot of these things you
see going on is things that I've actually proven to
myself and not for no one else. Things that I
know I could do, Things that I constantly tell myself
(03:20):
to get up off your ass and get it done,
because you could do these things with your eyes closed,
and things like that. Procrastination as a motherfucker. And when
you at the top of your game and you discourage
a little bit, procrastination can hold you even more. And
they had to figure out how I had to learn
how to be comfortable and uncomfortable situations and things like that.
And you know, it's no different from coming to where
we came from and things like that. When I backward
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was against the world, we figured out different ways to
overcome that, and being in the game is no different.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Look at Jim Jones, he's a hall worker, He's relentless,
you don't stop. You definitely got better lyrically over the years, right,
And so at what point you said, y'all gonna get
nice and take the lyricism to another level because we've
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been hearing it.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
But we see your growth, you know. And also.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I feel like you got a million people on your
back too, like like I learned from so many artists
from you, say at dice Pace, So say all the
other guys, you know, you ain't just pushing you, you
push you know, tell me about that gets me.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
It's always my passion to help people, and in music
that's been one of the things that I'm pretty good at.
I got a great ear for music, a great at
of talent. I know how to help them and curate
them into a way that they have a fair chance
of success. And that was one of the things that
I always wanted to do, even when there was a
time that I thought I was gonna stop doing music,
when I had just moved to Miami for a couple
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of years straight and just in a whole different zone.
But even in Miami, I chose to help a whole
bunch of artists out there, which I did Miami events
and That's how people got to hear Zoe Dallas and
shout out to my boy ball greasy and being money
and all these I mean, so it's something I have
a knack for them. But it seems like the more
that I gave it was the more that I got,
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you know what I mean. The more selfless I was
was the more that I was blessed, even in my
time that I needed the most. It was like I
gave the people when I didn't have nothing at certain times.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
The story of Jim Jones is pretty much making something
that of nothing. I don't want to make this a tradition,
but you're all from the Bronx. It just so happens.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Jad you know what I'm saying, he from the b
X now, because.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
It seems like everybody from the BX at all. You're
from the b a ah, I HALLM love you.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
You know what I'm saying. That's cool, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
But I just went through this with another guess, yeah,
I have to, but I've been I've been in both
in the Bronx and Hall. He sat Rocky.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Don't say he from the Bronx. He from the Bronx.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I know this I was really born in Hall.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
My hospital was a Okay, Damn, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I thought sim was born in Bronx Lebanon, but I was.
I was.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I'm born in Balls, Slebanon. So I hurt right now
saying you was.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Born in A. I mean they bring from from Flower
Firth Avenue. They bring me the Week's Avenue to Coton.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I need a mall lined up.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
No, I'm a I'm a Bronz kid. I just I'm
a hobbrid I was.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
I need a mall line I need all my chest pieces,
I need you know, the clips. They from the Bronx.
Then they moved down to v A. I'm just telling
you the truth.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
But I got I got the best of both worlds, man,
I got all the attributes from the Bronx and everything
from Harlem. Like I'm a real breed. Like I understand,
I'm a very aggressive red breed. I'm a very aggressive hustler,
you know what I mean. Like, I got the best
of both worlds. So I love it. Man, shouts to
the extra shouts all my guys.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
You know, people used to and I don't want to
sound like a broken record, but people used to champion
a hustler. Somebody who really wants to get money, want
to go on another level, take their family on another level.
They used to champion that, And I get it when
you sit here and we say, yo, why are you
cushing while you moving like you're twenty years old and
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you won't stopping this, and you're like, yo, I'm trying
to get this bread. I'm the same way. We love
hip hop culture, we love everything. I'm trying to get
this bread to make sure we financially secure. If you
understand what I'm saying, some people act like they cool
with being broke.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Or something like that.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
So I know your motivation and I understand your answer.
You know you're just a true huster from if we
wasn't rapping, we'd be selling whatever. Juice gives a fuck,
we're trying to get money, I'll pick up. I love juice,
I love juice, I love Kick Cafe. But what I'm
trying to say is I understand that about Jim Jones.
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The Jim Jones are hustle. He loves money, he loves
to find the things in life. And I said something
the other day, me and you talked about behind the
scenes where people don't get it right, So I said,
rappers work checked the check.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
What does that mean to you that statement, because me
and you had that conversation out.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I mean, it's the same difference of the people that's
coming up one of nine to five and they got
to pay their bills. We got to pay our bills
to the expenses that we acquire for having money is
the same expense that you have at the end of
the month. So we don't meet our quota. We don't
pay for these big ass houses in these fly cars
that we got there, they start taking them away the
same as you. You don't make that money, you didn't
pay that rent at the end of the month. Then
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they start coming with them notices and get you out
the CREB. No difference, there's no difference in the risks
even high for us, because we got so many things
going on and ship like that, and we start acquiring
bills out of nowhere, and pretty soon they're going is
good and sometimes it's going get bad. And then if
you ain't prepared for that and able to hold up
everything that uses a quiet, it disappears in the flash.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
You ever had to tell your wife death can for
Hope's the death.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Car break that down to me.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I've been a death before you heard.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
We we I'm pretty sure we, all three of me
could a test when shit is going beautifully.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And then is, like you said, is a time when
sh it ain't going beautiful?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
How do you persevere through them times that build's character?
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Let me tell you something. People in life, they always
and this ain't no shot to nobody right.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
People in life.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Let's say with me, I've been in a situation where
I'm doing fucked up. You know, better than your average guy,
but I'm doing fucked up compared to how I do.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
And people find reasons to disattach themselves.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
From you when you're going through the struggle and you're
sitting on the couch by yourself trying to figure out
how you're going to get about this whole. You know,
I had so called friends find excuses. One of my
friends had an argument with one of my friends.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
He was like, yo, Joe, I know that's more your man.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Than I am.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
You know, you stay with your man's and I stay
to me.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
I knew he used that opportunity thinking Joe fucked up,
Joe gonna need a dollar, He's gonna ask me, let me,
you know, and then you come back and you're bigger
than ever, and them guys are like they missed it.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I got a funny story I got missed. Let me
hear it.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
We ain't talk about nobody, but this has got to
be an education mine.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
When I was up, you know, you come ask me
some help. Cool go down, Nobody comes to help you.
You're hurt. But he's up now while I'm down, and
i'm you know, I see him all the time. Ain't nothing.
Now I'm back up. He's damn guess what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Asking you for help.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
No, I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that, your Jim, Jim,
I'm not doing it. I promise you on God, I'm
not doing it. I'm not doing it. I'm done with that.
I might be too old, y'all might be younger than
me to play that ship.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I'm not playing.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I'm not telling you how to discycle like this is
the crazy shit doing that to me?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Bro, I'm not doing Let me tell you.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I got a story.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Hold up, hold up, I got a story. I'm fucked up.
They take all my money. I know y'all don't want
to believe me, count and rob me, then pay my taxes.
When the government come to me. He wronged me for
one point two million.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
He ain't paying.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I'm paying them to pay and showed the government the
wires that I'm paying to your coming to pay my tax.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
They know I gave them the money, but they said
you as the leader of your household. Boom.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I go to court.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
I paid them the one point two again, paid the
lawyer number seven eight hundred. I got the number one
got cool, fucked me, put me in a little jail time.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
The point is, I go.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
First day to the studio, Yo, Jim Jones, I know
your story too well. I go first day to the studio,
come out of jail. You got these little niggas with
purple hair, yellow hair, thinking what the OG's doing in
the studio. They're really looking at us like we're wasting
our time. Don't know if you know that right, So
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they're looking at me. We come up all the way up, yo, Ram,
Come get on the song. It's all the way up.
It's spun one day that strip club and the ass
right there was fly Queen's. They say, Yo, we want
to do that single release party.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Bet yo, Ram, let's go. She's at it.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
She's jail eight years, I lose all my money. I
might as well been in jail for twin. I don't
do broke. Don't take this the wrong way, take this encouraging.
I don't do broke. I'm allergic to bro I'm gonna
go get it if it's in the fucking Africa, timbuctoo Asia,
(13:26):
no rock unturned.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I'm going to get that dollar. Like, don't worry about it,
and I'm not complaining. I don't do bro But.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
One day the shit ring. The next day they say
single release. Maybe two days after all the way up
come out.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
You knew when you heard all the way up. You
knew when you heard it.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Holy shit. These guys hit one out the part. You
know it off one spent, they hit one out the park.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
So we go to aces.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
This is a two day effect, and this is probably
balling like there's a two day effect. The club is
on tilt, the walls are sweaty, out of control. I
get to my section and it's a hundred people in
my section and I'm sitting there like this, and they
coming up.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yo, God, we did it again. God, we did it
yo yo, God yo yo private jets again God yo
yo yo.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
They coming right and I'm sitting there, and Remy's there,
Pistol's dead, rest in peace.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Percy was there.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
So we rocked. I mean not even lean back. Yeah,
lean back did this. But just two days later, how
they understood every word. I didn't know it was one
of them, right, they turned the lights on. We're walking out.
I'm walking out with a hundred motherfuckers.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Me up, me, I stopped. This is the same story
you're breaking out.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I stop.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I turned around, I sit your pistol.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
I don't ever want let's see these niggas if my
life forgetting you.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
You you shoo yo, every.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Let me turn around and look at them and go.
You heard the God. We don't want to see y'all
no more. We walked out. We never seen them again.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
So you think, after all the times we put people
on privates, we take them on hotels, you ward shows,
you eating steaks, you eating lobsters.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
We're paying your bell, we're paying your rent, we're paying
your this and.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
This and that.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
You guys disappear when the time get rough, then you
want to show up talking about we did it again.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I swear to God, I've forgiving people before this time.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
It was over because I know I went to the
bottom of the battle God forgifts.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I don't now working out?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Watch you work out every day?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Important?
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Fitness is everything?
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Man?
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I mean, that's how I found the youth. That's the
way to live along with life. Fitness and diet. Diet
is just important. This fitness I had to learn that.
I was because I know you like eat.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I know you got it, like you have cheap day
with sweets?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah, No, how to stop all I actually had. I
was about to tell you, like the doctor like six
months ago, the doctor told me I was pre diabetic.
So it wasn't really about how much I was working out,
about how much sugar and bad food that rely and
trying to use the excuses working out. Even though I
was looking good, the inside wasn't looking good. So I
had to reverse that whole thing and just cut out
(16:47):
the sugars, cut out the cakes, cut out the ice cream,
cut out everything that I really liked and shit like that.
To start eating real food and shoots it up to
a lot of fruits and shit like that. And I
feel a hundred times, but.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Will you cock these are you doing?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
You're doing too much your gym, You're doing push ups
in the snow with the dog on top of you,
with a chain hanging.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Off a ship one arm. That ship is unbelievable. Like
I'm looking at this God, I could.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Be anywhere in the world, Jim Jose and he shows
you how much you're not healthy.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
When I see this guy just zooming through the gym,
you too, You you big on it too.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Jon jab in there, I'll be watching. You're a ball
going ahead. I can't I can't get it. I'm just
trying to be prepared for whatever come at me, you
know what I mean? Like I live. I live a
life that comes with a lot, and I gotta be
ready to stand to off or whatever comes out of me.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Let me ask a question when we're done with that,
when we I feel like I'm done with that, with
anything coming at us, right like I think we all
prove Hold up.
Speaker 7 (17:55):
Let me just let me say something that happened to you,
and I know the airport, I know from what I'm
saying to you. Start with him, Okay, So that's this
is what was mean.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
So if I wasn't on my dem the white man
would have got the best of me and niggas with
my whole career to have my career been down that
it would have been the biggest thing in the media
for years. The nigga you should have had tough with
the white man like they would have been wallowing me up.
Your white with you.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
And I know he fucked with you because I know
you well and I know your characters.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
So I know he over fucked with you.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Definitely.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
You understand what I'm saying. He taunted you to the
to the level of I know about this. I opened
the curtain that Roy Jones was waiting for me, behind
the curtain, champion of the work, ready to knock my
block off.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Okay, so I know about being when I got shot,
I had thirty forty guys. I turned the corner, ho boy,
waiting for me alone. I'm telling you the true story.
I'm the king of getting turn like that.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Wasn't for you with joking. What happened? When what happened?
When you don't do that?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Everybody know that Roy Jones. Don't do that to Roy Jones.
Roy Jones, when he was waiting for you and doah,
oh my, he wasn't dolo.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
He had First of all, I had one hundred and
fifty guys because we clear about that. It was all
jar Ru's this one. I'm trying to tell you you
could be with one hundred and fifty. Open the curtain.
These dudes over there, yo, they tell you that not we.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
In New York.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Jar Ru album released New York is the biggest art
just performed with you.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I spun it around.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
I opened the curtain to walk to the back Jim Jones,
except Roy Jones is standing there with the devil in
his eye.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
No you not understanding. There is the Champ for the world.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
I had to grab his wrist, be like, yo, Champ, Yo,
I don't even know no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I've avoided everything you could think of. I know how
to do it.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
So I grab his wrists and I'm pretty much begging him,
not that, not to knock me out, Yo, Champ.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I know you're gonna knock me out.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yo.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
This he had the guy, he had some guys with him.
He had one of them.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yo.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
Let me tell you the way most people die is
the guy in the back. Get him, champ knock him out, Champ, yo,
and put that battery.
Speaker 9 (20:36):
I'm here, I'm the last person this pussy, and but
I don't want to start arguing with him because I
might agitate the chaps.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yes, so I'm trying to talk. I'm trying to talk
to him like.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
I'm like, yo, champ, yo, hip hop this this that
so the guy trying to gasp him, you know the
hook off For me, it happened to me one time
they caught me over here, certain they were trying.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
To kill me.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
It was about thirty guns some shit, and one guy
with byefocals kept trying to guess the nigga Yo, just
light him up.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Fuck that. I'm pleading for my life.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yo.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
This We're all Puerto Rican. We can make this happen.
Don't worry about it. Guys are chill, They're ready to come.
Speaker 10 (21:24):
I'm over there trying to man it is a dude
with byefocals gear it to them now like so you
can't go with them with with those guys.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Long story short is, once the crew figured out and
I tell I start feeling pussy, I let the champ go.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I go your cham night. I said, I'm gonna be
honest with you. No, no, he know the story and
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
I see your champ.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
You see those one one hundred and fifty guys and
they over there chilling, smoking blood wrap, and the guther said,
nobody's gonna fight you.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Those guys right there with me. So he looked. He said,
it's hip hop. He's not pussy for no one sake.
Roy Jones. Can't anybody think ROYD Jones is not Roy
Jones came to pack me up. The point is what
he said, you gotta be ready for it. I'm just
talking about in general.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I don't know if a nigga ready for that. Roy Jones, though,
we're gonna have to jump. We have to jump this.
This niggah you got, you.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Got a hundred fifty to try. It's like a hundred
man against.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
But it's just it's just the one second is gonna
take for him him, No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
To put you three times one second.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I was.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Gonna hit him.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Let me ask, you thought I didn't know that? It
is like a switch one you thought me.
Speaker 8 (22:42):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
You thought I wasn't telling.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
That you the win I should come from yo, think
nigga tole you for the Rocky ship.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Now Joe trying to say, is no such thing as
dressing age us being.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Known as one thing? I don't think. I don't think
there's a thing that's dressing your age. I think there's
a thing that's dressing your wage. I just wage appropriate,
not age appropriate. Clean he offer.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
The people that understand the difference between age wage.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Shit, you don't know the difference between age and waging.
You out the loop, nigga. That's pretty simple. I mean,
even for the most part, I just how I feel. Man.
When it comes to fashion, it's all about who you are, man,
It's all about your personality, what makes you feel good,
what makes you feel confident, what makes you feel flying.
And that's all I've been doing. I haven't been doing
to anything too special. I got a different aesthetic than
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most people and things like that, and it kind of
connected to the masses and things like that. But I
haven't done nothing different than what I've seen outside on
the street, callers from the hustlers, and bits and pieces
from television, and I get my staff from so many
different array of different things, you know what I mean,
From past things that I've seen even to now. I mean,
(24:01):
it's this is all how I feel in the day
and things like that. People get caught up in thinking
that fashion or having style has to do with a
name brand, when it really doesn't. It's all about you.
You you're the name brand. How you put that ship
on just because it has a name? Random? Mean that
ship is looking good when you got it on. That's
what I'll be trying to tell people things like that.
(24:22):
I mean, like ship, I bought some ship from Walmart
and looks probably look better than you. And you got
some ship on from from Louis and ship like that.
It's all about who rocking and taking shut Louis hooding. No, no, no, no,
I think it's Louis.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Damn you man, Well listen, the fly is this podcast.
I don't know if you've been too dead, But we
bought more ship.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
We just would get We just we just got a
couple of friends and he's making us losing.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
All right, we throw that ship on, gay, That's okay.
When can I get you to rewind the time? Will
you ever rewinded?
Speaker 1 (25:01):
No? Not that type of person. You just won't. Nah,
I'm just not that type of person. I mean, I
put a lot of work in to be here this
long tip to see these grades. God bless my uncle Clinton.
He used to have a face full of grades in
the bid. He's pretty much the reason why I grew
my bed. When I was coming up, the bed was
always fly and I watched his big go from black
(25:22):
to grade and with silver, and he always kept that
thing lining up. It was just dope. And I was like, man,
he respected his age and respected the work he put in.
He was like, I ain't with no dying. I'm not
doing none of that and I kind of not do
it effectively. And I love it.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
You look good to listen to me, You look good.
I don't knock nobody for what everybody. Everybody got what
they got. Everybody. Everybody gotta do what they gotta do.
It's a beautiful business. And devil you got going on,
you know what I mean? Like I cannot knock that
everybody could want everybody everybody.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Here, But you see somebody like this, It is a
perfect transformation. And I should have caught him on Father's
Day and told him you can, I please come with
the ball.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
But rewind this guy won't rewind the tom. That's the
guy I gotta convince that I.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Got, I gotta I got. I'm like an old school
number jack type of dude. That's my type of vibe,
you know what I mean, Like I don't put too
much on family.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Your hero. You're a hero to your family. You provide,
you provide passion.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
I know you got a big family, sisters, moms, and
I don't want to speak out of place, but I
feel like you like me.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
You take care of everybody.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah, I take care. I take care of everybody in
my family, everybody, everybody, take care of the bills, everything.
You know what I mean. It's my it's my pleasure.
It's my pleasure. No, you do everything.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
You just you just got moms and pops a new spot.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
I'll be watching. He got it, he got his he
got his baby girl.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
But I'm talking about his sisters everybody on. Okay, okay,
but we're not interviewing you.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I wasn't to take care of me. How to just
field up one set you nick.
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Speaker 4 (28:10):
I recently saw a clip on the Instagram where a
young kid was comparing you to Nas and saying that
you got big hits you y'all. He looked to you,
He learned how to wear the BB Simon belt from you,
(28:33):
He got his swag.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Like, how crazy is that?
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Because in my era, you know what I'm saying, Nas
is like a god in my in my era too
to be compared me.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Let me not, let me let me make that young
kid out, Let me get let me, let me let
me get young Andy. We loved that he loved you.
I want you. Let's break this down.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I admired Nas. Remember Na's first record that Barbaru came
out when I was in eleventh grade. So Nas was
my idol when I was young, like you did, came
to dressing, the world, play the music, everything. I was
a superiod Nas fan period. I'd never take that away
from him. But then as I got in the game,
you got to realize that your rivals will be idols,
(29:15):
and not to take anything away from that. I developed
my own style and my own lane that these kids
start to gravitate towards to towards to the same way
I gravit gravitated towards Nas when I was younger, and
things like that. It's a whole different, whole different generation.
You're talking about ninety four ninety three. I was in
eleventh grade. It's twenty twenty five. There's a big gap there,
(29:38):
you know what I mean. And I want people to
understand that. So when Shorty's telling people that year he's
twenty some years old, that goes to show the part
of the era that he's in that I came in
into light and started going crazy. That these kids love me.
They don't really know who Nas is if he's twenty
two he's born in three not all of them. Some
(29:58):
of them though, you know what I mean, Yes, but
it's that music. No. Some kids no, no, I love that,
some kids that love hiphops. But their kid, Yeah, he's
your son, he's your son, he's your son, my son,
my son. Can't tell you one nives record. You're like,
let's not let's let's keep it a buck here, let's
(30:20):
keep it. Let's keep let's let's keep it a buck.
Let's keep it a buck because you'll bring it up.
There must be some type of misconception or what's that
word of when it comes to Jim Jones and what
Jim Jones have done in this game. A lot of
these rappers made him take the darkies. A lot of
(30:41):
these rappers have done a tremendous job. And I take
nothing away from them, but they forget I got a
hell of a catalog. Meet Jim Jones myself, Gold Records,
Platinum Records, Gold record, gold album's platinum. You know me,
Jim Jones, No diplomats, no nobody else me Jim Jones.
Check nine track record, then check everybody else track record.
Can go to the billboards and check all my entries
(31:02):
and check all them niggas entries and ship like that.
I'm not taking nothing away from nobody, but I hear
the comparisons, and then niggas be trying to act funny
when it comes No, I've been spanking a lot of
this ship. I'm talking about the industry I've been putting on.
So let's not get into that way. We're getting the numbers,
and I got to show you the statistics of what
I've done. You heard to what other people was done.
You heard them. You want to go to the billboard entries,
(31:24):
pull up now his billboard entries and pull up my
billboard entries.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Listen, we can't compare it to what I'm trying to.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
You know, I want to go there. No, no, no,
I want to go down the line now because going
down to line No, he's a rapper and I'm a
round you know.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
No, let's go statistically feels great.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
No, but I want to go statistically because when people
be like I feel.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
About the numbers, my numbers back up and he stepped
up to the forefront. Us in the music of hip
hop culture.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Have a problem.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
Is it is it?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
And there's nothing that the world goes off numbers, But
in hip hop. We don't pay enough homage to those
before us the correct way.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
And sometimes it's even myself, so it gets no other
genre of music.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Fucking I don't even know who to is.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
Yeah, but you understand hip hop is like is never
gonna say that about hip hop? As like basket Jarma
Rad get on the call with Lebron you want to kill.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
This is what this is about. Any of that ship is.
This is what this is. This is what this is about.
There's nothing that this never is me putting me up
against anybody. I'm taking me every time, every time, category me,
every category. I'll get busy.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Started officer post saying you grew up watching not the
only probably didn't take that away. The only situation I'm
saying now to you right there is no kids worship you.
It's starting.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
No.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
No, I'm not doing this. I'm not doing I did
not know because you're really friends with him, You not me.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
I don't know him.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
He's a beautiful guy.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
He don't be mad at your well. I'm not bring
my name up in that conversation, bro, Like, come on, nobody,
I'm not gonna talk to do that hot minds every
time people not doing do listen, niggas don't even know
(33:40):
about the audio. Talk. Can we talk?
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Can we talk about all right? I love this interview
although it was very painful. You had a tough time.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
When I seen you. I don't forget where it was at,
if it was hot.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Ninety seven or something, when you were just saying, yo,
you're family man. You never made no excuses even when
you went through tough times. You know, you took care
of your family. They never knew you was going through
tough times. I applawed you with that interview. I feel
like that's one of them classic interviews that stands out
to me in hip hop music. Do you feel like
(34:22):
after that interview now, do you feel like that's what
you was talking about? Like, I'm gonna fight my way
back to the top, and I feel good right now
about where I'm at in the world because I love
that interview.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Interview was just a test the way I was at
the time and the things that I knew I had
to do in order for me to progress. He bought
their temperature back. Then this ship off and on.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I got different characters.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
I gotta play. We talk about the sport and I'm
gonna go You heard me talk.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
About let's talk about it.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Let's talk about But that's the interview and the passion
you had behind that.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I still got the same passion as you can see
you hear. I'm a passionate brother. I wear my heart
on my sleeve. I cry a lot of shit like that.
I'm very emotional. So when people talk about me, I
got to stand up for me because nobody else is
going to stand up for me. As you see, I
fight all my battles on my own. I take losses
and I take my ones the same way. You're heard
the same smirk, just like this. Let's get this correct,
(35:21):
because you know the media has stressed this shit so
many different ways. When they see me get excited, I
get excited because I'm a very passionate person. Everybody knows us,
and I said, man, when you talk about me, I'm
always gonna pick me first. But as a fan, one
of the biggest fans of A Knaves, I know what
his albums were for. Word back and forth like that
was my ror when I was first coming outside, and
(35:42):
things like that. Nas I wrote the playbook for how
we was running the streets and things that. He also
dressed the way we was running the streets back then
and things like that, and not to take him out
and away from my hall of niggas, but Nas had
a hold on us and shit like that when we
was younger and things like that. The same way Pod
had a hold on us. But from New York City.
He came with a whole different flavor in a different
case at the time that was well needed. It switched
from what we heard, and Big Daddy came to a
(36:03):
whole nother way of hustlers, was talking and rhymen and
things like that, and everybody understood that. Like you know,
he was like, I can never take away anything that
he's done in the game. I can't, you heard, And
that's not it. But as a competitive man, that's all
I'm doing is popping my ship and this is what
hip hop is about. But for the most part, I
got no problem with no South to noa South to all.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
The most influence you now that you did, you said
that from from growing up artists who's been so you
could even to this day, who's most.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Who named some at so you music or whatever year whatever.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Rock Cam Nas, Big Daddy, Carrius one uh No col
G hool G. I'm going down the line. Now you
have going down a loud You're gonna make me. That's
good ship, you know what I mean? Like you, like you,
you want to do you wanted a few people that
(36:57):
persevered from the cool gi errors and that like that.
You did, like you, like you did, like you. Gotta
always remember that. I don't know if you ever sit
down and think about that, Like, Yo, we've been watching
you for a long time and things like that on
LLLL Buster Fat Joe, who else got a lot of
it's a lot of It's I'm a hip hop. I'm
a hip hop. I'm a hip hop baby. I used
(37:18):
to Rick watch Ralph McDaniels every day after school. I
want to see every bit of videos everything. I want
to see all of that you heard, like I knew
everything about that.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
You heard, like that channel still the fat back TV?
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah you had, you had and you had to turn
it back. And then was thirteen you had to turn
the thirteen. You had to turn the thirteen. You thirty one, yeah, thirteen, Yeah, yeah,
they don't know about that. I guess calikover and the days.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
Tell me some of the things you're doing right now,
some of the things you turn into the journeyst I'm not.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I just actually I'm kind of excited. I just brought
a major facil in the Bronx. What I'm doing an
incredible content space, and I'm opening the doors to some
incredible content creators and influencers and streamers and gamers and
things like that. Social my officer. There's a bit of
a headquarters. I'll be setting up the Drip Report news
(38:17):
news room and there and things like that like that.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
I ain't see one in a while.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Do everything myself now. It's a beautiful thing. So you know,
I'm i'ma be running a lot of TV shows out
of there. I got like two podcasts set up in
their studio. It's a beautiful thing, you know what I mean.
So that's one of the things that I'm excited that
I've been working on on. You know, the music is
out right now. The albums are doing pretty good. Thank
you for everybody that's been supporting the album at the
(38:45):
church steps shouts. All my artists have been supporting me
shout space. So that made the movies about to drop.
The movie will be out in the the.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Movie I wanted to be in the movie.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I just ain't. I missed it got two days of
reh I'm doing it. I want to do it.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Let me take me a priest. No, I'm in, I'm in.
I want to be in the movie.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
I believe in your creativity. I believe in your drive.
And when I seen you shooting the movie, I didn't
know how to tell you. Yo, Jim, give me a
little five minutes of fame. I want to be a
little pastor.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I want to be god father seen Si. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
Frank's life and that ship right there I talk to
the one second that slim Loop.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
She was about to blow up in the shit I
distracted him called blew up. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
But this movie.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Tell us about this movie. I love when you do that.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
I love everything you're saying right now, how you take
matters into your own hands. I always get upset when
I look at mine career because you don't. I discovered
Big Pun, Rebbee, Ma, DJ Khaled, Cool and Dre. I
could I could tell you who I discovered. The one
person that fumbled the bag with was Tony Sunshine, and
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he was incredible ahead of his time. And I kept
waiting for the record label to do it and now
we know how to do it ourself. And if this
was years back, I would have been able to blow
them up because we know what we're doing now. So
I love that you said you create movies in your
studio space podcast this. I love that you taking matters
(40:31):
into your own hand to push the future forward.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
That's a that's a commendable thing right there. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
I mean, we gotta do some looking at these youngsters
making money off these off these streamings and all these things,
and you know, as businessmen, we got to learn how
to diversify. And this is the direction that hip hop
and UH entertainment is going, so we got to be
on top of everything. So I need a piece of
that too. That's how I'm thinking. That's how I think
of across the board. Like I'm not trying to get
(41:01):
left in what was going on yesterday. I'm trying to
be on what's going on tomorrow. And I know tomorrow
never comes, that's all. You got to be prepared for it.
I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
I know exactly what you talked about. I feel the
same way you talking to you preach it to the converted,
you know.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Blessed man, how about y'all is so so I could
say I honestly know both of yourll since ninety seven,
I'll say this ninety seven and watching both of y'all
just go crazy in the game as from a fans
perspective before I actually got to be in it and
shit like that, and then seeing YO just make so
(41:37):
much money and just going I remember watching you on MTV.
You had like the drop top Bentley black shit, I
believe it was. I was just like, oh, like, I
got to get this bag. I don't know what the
fuck is this fuck is going on? And Jada and
niggas used to always come to Harlem. They be with
d they got all types of cars on two fifth
and shit like that. I'm like, a man, what the fuck? So,
how does it feel to know that you lived a
(42:00):
life like this for so long? Like you know what
I mean? Like, would you trade it? Not at all?
Would you do it all over again? Would you would
you change something? Do it all over the same.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
If I could do it all over, I would just
probably listen a little more fixed, a little bit of
you know, situations like cracks that I had a counting
situations with, you know, they put lean on the accounting
shit fucked up and you know what I mean, So
a little shit like that, but it was also learning
(42:32):
lessons then never let it happen again, and you know
what I mean, and get shit straight as you get older.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
But yeah, I would have did.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
A little more lesson and listening and paid a little
more attention to the business aspect of it at a
young age instead of just being worrying about my verses
and rhuynds and you know, the wrong shit.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Other than that, I.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
Would have did everything exactly the same about you.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
You know, my favorite record right now is it's not enough.
It's not enough.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
Like I hear this shit like when I hear it's
not enough, I hear a different way. They got guns,
but it's not enough. They got dudes, it's not enough,
Like I really that shit is cemented in my brain
right And when you ask me, I say to yourself,
it's not enough. And when you talk about finances.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
It's not enough.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
Success, it's not enough. Everything's not enough. I'm not fulfilled,
my cup is not full. I don't feel cool, and
I'm gonna be a man about this that I came
in the same game with guys and they got to
the billy and I ain't get to the billy.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
And just like he said, I fucked up.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
I was in the club seven days a week, thirty dudes,
buying fifty bottles every day, fifty steaks Jimmy's Ron Scafe.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Oh, I wasted a lot of time. When you ask me, sure,
I'm grateful.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
Sure, I'm thankful to God that I'm in the position
that we are, and you people might look at it
it's like, yo, he's successful, it's not enough. And so
I know you could relate to this because you saying
the same shit I'm saying in a different way. It's
not enough like I want and I'm not lying guys,
(44:23):
So maybe y'all can understand me a little bit more
because people get a little mad at me because they
think a brag and I think a big shit.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
That's whoy.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
I am right, And so I want to be the
fat guy painted in the picture a hundred years from
now and great grandchildren to be like, we're here because
of fat Joseph Carter Jr.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
One hundred years ago.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
This man made a.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
Billion dollars and left it to us in the trust,
and we're still eating off this guy. I swear to God,
that's what I want and if everybody could do it,
do it, so it ain't attainable.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
I just realized I could have did it, but I
was bullshitting a lot.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
So now when you see me, I'm on my business
ventures on another level, just all my shit is like
and life is life, and you know I'm projected to win.
I'm telling you, I'm projected to win everything. I'm telling
you I'm projected to go there like I'm on that,
(45:26):
Like I know you know what I'm saying. I'm like,
you know what, the football player, hang on to the
back of the jersey.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
Tryer.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
I'm on the back of the jersey. I got so
many arrows pointed the right way, but it got to happen.
I want to know what it feels like when.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
That level of success happens, when you could turn around
and be.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Like, that's it. I guess. I guess we all have
a different painting of success. I feel like my mistake
was I depended on people to do things that I
knew I knew how to do on my own. That's
from accounting to engineering, to marketing to doing videos to
(46:07):
doing movies. I didn't I learned that twenty years later.
Like yo, bro, all that shit you let people do
and fit and they feel for you and shit like that,
you get to do it on your own and been
up you're hurt. Cool, But being up is one thing.
Making a billion dollars is another thing. Yeah, we always
love to make a billion dollars. From my perspective, money
doesn't move me, like like people, do you know what
I mean? So maybe I might not leave money here
(46:28):
for generations to come, but I will leave a blueprint or.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
What it would take for you to get to a bag.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
And I do know that my whole family and my
bloodline going. No, this nigga was a dog, and if
you follow what he did, God bless you, because you're
gonna go somewhere that you didn't know you could go.
You heard. And I think for me, that's worth more
than any money that I could leave, and God bless me.
I hope I leave all the money in the world,
but I think that blueprint would be strong enough for
my son to take with him and go crazy.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
We got that, we got my son is right outside.
We got that where.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
It's safe for me to say we grew up with
not much and then we want to make things better
for our kids. And historically, when you look at successful
people that come from nothing because we protected our kids
so much, they're not hustlers like like us or we
(47:23):
want him to be hustles.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Do you find that in hip hop? Do you find that?
Speaker 1 (47:29):
Or you know?
Speaker 4 (47:30):
That's how I look at it, just with everybody, I
mean billionaires, I mean people who make.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Money Bailey, right, but you have if you have a son,
your son vicharacter is gonna grow in to who you are.
So if your son knows you to be a hustler,
guess what's gonna happen for your son when his back
is against the wall and daddy ain't around no more.
Everything he's seen daddy doing, daddy teaching, he gonna start
to instill. Is He's not gonna sit there to be
like a child. You're heard like I watched my son
(47:57):
closely and then his manners, every how you move and
things like that, and the rebellion, the rebel with him
that he shows me and shit like that only shows
that he's trying to show me. Bro I'm about to
get on my ship. I mean, like the things some
of the things that he do, like these kids ain't
no chumps. Just because we uh raise them right, just
because we uh cover them up, just because we wanted
(48:20):
to have a better life of them, doesn't mean that
they don't have to hustle in them. They just have better,
better chances of better odds, are doing something way different
than we ever had a chance to do them. I agree.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
I love that answer. You know, I ain't gonna lie
to you. I love that answer because we just want
what's best for our kids. We want them to step
up to the occasion. And I just think like parenting
by parenting they needs. Every kid is different, takes a village,
(48:52):
and they don't give us no instructions for parents, no
fucking And that's what I'm trying to give them now.
If you don't know where I've been going this whole
interview is I've been going about family and fighting through
shit and going through this this whole infabous.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
That's what I see in you.
Speaker 4 (49:08):
I see passion, I see drive, I see relentlessness. I
see you working for your family. I see you working
for your team. You putting guys on while you still
trying to get to where you go.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
That's the thing. See this game of smoking mirrors. I
don't want nobody to watch what I say, watch what
I do in the midst of me talking shit, I'm
still getting up, getting to the bag. I'm still working,
and I'm still going to the office and still make
sure everything has to be done under my roof for
me to live and be successful about here. You know
what I mean, Like never forget that bottom line, I'm
still doing all the things I need to do in
the midst of the circus that you'll see going on.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
You know what I mean, And they see it. You
know what I'm saying. What I'm trying to tell you
is if I see it, they see it.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
That's for anybody. Like a nigga told me one day,
even if you don't got a job, you get up.
You get up, my mind, You get up and go
outside and act as if you've got a job. Don't
stay in no house. Go outside and hustle. Go outside
and find some gasside and something broke, Get your ass up, man.
Speaker 4 (50:02):
I come from my father. My father was an immigrant
from Cuba. My father was a master baker. He had
an argument with his boss. He was thirteen years in
the bakery. He had a argument with his boss he
thought he couldn't get fired.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
He got fired. The next day.
Speaker 4 (50:19):
We went with money he had saved up to say,
like a g this was a long time ago, and
we went and bought toys in twenty third Street and
Broadway brought it up to where my stoes at. That's
why I got my first up and YC store one
five eight to Broadway and was selling toys and snowstorms,
hustling the little motorcycles and baseball bats and shit for
(50:41):
double the money. That's where I learned to be an entrepreneur.
When the summer came, my father was the old man you.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Saw with the icy.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
He made no excuses. That's why I don't make excuses.
We just got better situations at getting to where we're getting.
And thank God for hip hop that the music you
see you still you still you still an MC, meaning
like you still are on that. I was like that
(51:09):
for a very long time till I said to myself,
I said like this. For a long time, I lived
off for shows and I'd be like, yo, I got
two three shows this month, this is money. And then
I realized, well, shit gets slow. I got to diversify
and find other ways to get money.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
You understand what I'm saying. So I was so then
I had to learn how to make businesses and do
shit like that to this.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
You just said what you said, Nigga told me, Nigga,
stop worrying about how to make money and learn how
to make business. Because you make business, that's they're gonna
make the money for you. You said it. I had
to learn that, bro, because I wasn't fucking making music
off of money off of music for a long time.
Like Bro, I didn't had no hit, So I had
to figure out how to make business to make myself
some money and still sustain this lifestyle because at the
(51:57):
end of the day, it's all about sustainability this lifestyle,
no matter how you look at it. We exton stone up.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
They don't understand. I'm gonna play that I'm older than you.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Thing right here, thirty years of sustainability, your niggas is on.
Speaker 4 (52:15):
What I'm trying to tell you is that we know guys,
especially us three, and we salute the guys because I
salute the guy I knew who was getting money in
eighty eight and be like yo, such and such like
I'll salute them. Look, I'll never I never look at people.
My lenses never look at people at they down moment.
(52:37):
I always remember when they was on top, or when
they inspired me, or.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
They was rocking.
Speaker 4 (52:42):
But a lot of the guys that I grew up
with or I knew, had runs and that's over now.
And I'm not mad at them. If they got a
legit job and they moving on with life or whatever,
I salute them. But you know how hard it is
to be fly for thirty years? To walk into the casket? Fly,
you gotta walk into the casket, fly, Yo.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
How you walk into the cask?
Speaker 4 (53:06):
Well, you don't walk into the casket. But the point
you get what I'm saying, No, that's hard. It's like
you y'all, don't talk about that old dudes that had
it be the same old dudes that radit. You know
how crazy that line hits me every time I hear
that song and you say that line. They ain't even
(53:28):
got to be the purpose, don't even got to be
about ratit. It's just about so many guys have runs,
and then they start talking about.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
Yo, I used to be this. I used to be that, Yo,
I used to have this cool.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
I'm not mad I used to but don't make it
seem like they used to is relevant. Now I'm with
a good. I'm with a good I'm with a good.
Glory story finished you heard, I'm with that. I love
all the old hustle stories, but some old hustles carry
it the wrong way and no disrespect.
Speaker 4 (53:58):
I'm looking at YouTube of them, got an AARP car
talking that shit, no teeth, still talking that shit.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
I'm like, yo, bro, you can't hold.
Speaker 4 (54:07):
A smack twenty twenty five and he ain't carrying it right,
so you shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
You should be homeed. Don't even mention it because what
you're talking about and how you looking is not reflecting
on what we're doing out here, you know what I mean,
and not taking nothing away from you. You can tell
your story and be humble about it, but if you're
not looking the part to get into the bag, your
story means nothing in the eyes of people that's really
doing it. And you're trying to prove a point. And
we're not talking down to you, but come on, you're
(54:31):
heard like.
Speaker 4 (54:32):
We love you and we big you up, and we
probably the only guys that are pulled a car over
and be like, yoh, my hustles, homee me this and
this and that. But then it's like cool. If you
ain't got that run no more. You get yourself a job,
you take care of your family.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
You can solute your same.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
Way, don't.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
Most don't talk.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
I know a bunch of old hustlers that used to
get money, that got good jobs. Right now, when I
see them, I still praise them the same way I
praise them when I was younger.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
I'm the same way. So we preaching the same thing.
But but there's a few of them.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
They missed me. Oh no.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
They have a conversation walking control and so.
Speaker 4 (55:15):
You're looking at him and you're like, yo, y'all talking
about like I keep I don't think you know what it.
Speaker 1 (55:23):
Is like I feeling like they gotta say that some
type of yo, but entitlement vicariously through the hustle of
shape rule that they had.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
Like you know what I'm saying, like, Yo, your brother
forever old because what they did back then?
Speaker 1 (55:37):
Bro, what are you talking about? Bro? I don't even
know you say.
Speaker 4 (55:40):
For my error, I'm sitting here, go to Fat Joe
with the hoodie right once again, got a hundred guys outside.
You keep a hooding no, no, always always back in
the day.
Speaker 2 (55:55):
Right, I walk in the bathroom. It's a cod Diesels
his stuard. He's you out of this like you look
like you had to refrigerated.
Speaker 1 (56:04):
You know.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
The man came home just now.
Speaker 4 (56:08):
It's got the bathroom got a long mirror, right, and
the man sees me and he goes by the way.
Speaker 2 (56:17):
I've never been extorted in my life.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
I don't understand it.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
You got to kill me. It just doesn't exist in
my DNA. The man looks at me and said, ten years,
ten years. Now, you know you think you know these
people some ten years ten years? I did ten. So
I'm looking at the mirror. I'm taking the piss. Somebody
(56:41):
got the pay it's ten years. I'm like, no, I'm listening. No,
it really happened, like I'm being out of So I'm like,
he's ten years. So I'm thinking he.
Speaker 4 (56:52):
Thinks I got him in trouble for ten years, and
so I'm trying to hear him marls ten years. I've
been reading the magazines, but hearing you talking this shit
straight up.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
You told me just like that. We're talking off the
hearing you talking this shit. I come home.
Speaker 4 (57:09):
Everybody's saying, don't fuck with Fat Joe. This, this Dad, this,
he said, I don't believe it. I had a hundred
guys outside that door. I said, I don't believe it.
And you gonna do this hard way or the nice way.
Somebody got to pay for my ten years. So of
(57:32):
course for me, I'm looking in the mirror and I'm like, finally,
one nigga tries me. Finally. I'm you, man, I'm looking
at the mirror. I'm like this Now, it's one thing
to disrespect Fat Joe. But we in the bathroom and the.
Speaker 2 (57:56):
Toilet. Hold on, what Jo, this is Joe, Big Joe
all outside, But listen what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (58:02):
The door opens, the door to somebody taking the ship
and this my brother surge in surges like these guys,
they can't take you violating Fat Yoe on noeh.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
Like he can't breathe. He's like crawling on this. It's
in the middle.
Speaker 1 (58:23):
I see him.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
I'm like, he's like like they're talking to Joe like this.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
Ah.
Speaker 4 (58:29):
He's grabbing the wall like he can't believe, he can't
he's hyper mentally. He cannot believe this. Right, man, we
put the beats on this guy. So legend not a hundred,
just us too. He drank pisk water and everything. And
I gotta salute the man because he never I never
(58:51):
heard of him again.
Speaker 2 (58:52):
I never seen him.
Speaker 1 (58:53):
Again, but drank love yong, y'all. Puerto Rican niggas was
putting beats on niggas back in the day from the
fever on up. I've been outside so what like ninety
four ninety three, y'all niggas the rubber I'm talking about,
(59:15):
so God bless big pump, Bro. I've not seen pun
punish so many niggas, Bro, like so many I've seen
punk takets chain off in the tunnel and punish to punishing,
punished like no pun intended, but pun intended punish niggas
like yo, Bro, Big pun was yo Bro. Y'all, y'all,
y'all was some wild Puerto Ricans. Bro. I cannot lie, Bro.
(59:36):
Just looking at the history of this watch yoh.
Speaker 4 (59:40):
Listen, Man Pun had this thing called nos to the brain.
I swear to god he had this think. I'll tell
you a quick one, but you know, you know, I'm
like the biggest lie on the internet. Now they call
me the cap King, right. I used to play softball.
This is an ill story. I used to play softba
on my block. So this dude walked by. You know,
(01:00:03):
I'm from the plot man, I'm from them projects my
whole life. I don't care if I'm fat Joe the rapper,
somebody who grew up with me. They might talk funny
to me and you'll be like, Yo, what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
They talk like?
Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
You know, we know each others's kindergarten. You ain't shit bullshit?
Picture you that He's going crazy? Is the dude I
grew up with? Right, Fuck you suck? You know what
we're doing all that? So Pun was my number one
fan When I play softball, Pun sitting the dugout every game.
He will watch every game, right, So Punk started talking
(01:00:37):
to him, Yo, what's stupid this stuff?
Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
They arguing?
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
So, you know the city park they got, the city
park that got the gates.
Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
I watched Pun bade him to come close enough, and
he punched them through the gate, damn and knocked them out.
They have to bring the ambulance through the gate. I'm
talking about the hand didn't go through the gate, but
you know what I'm saying, Chris.
Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
He got and yeah, yeah, exactly through the boom nose
to the brain. This and no it was yo.
Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
He had legendary strength. Uh, this is that boost mobile
cash apt for that ass. The Joe Jada Show with
the Capos.
Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Thanks for having a guest today. Capo status makes some
noise for my brother.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
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