LeBron James, Odell Beckham Jr., LaVar Ball, & Anthony Davis

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Sports Radio on FS one. Joy Taylor is joining me
in a Tuesday. Well, well, well we've got another lebron
drama story, but if it has the lass as the
Lakers turn. Let me ask you. When you want to

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break up with somebody and you don't want to confront
him right like, it's a difficult breakup. Are the two
ways you do it? You either start to pick fights,
You start to nitpick fights, create fights in drama so
you can escape and say this just doesn't work for me.
Or you get really quiet the other partner gets really quiet.

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You're trying to separate. So the story today. Bill Plashkey
very very tied in to the Lakers. He's an award
winning columnist for the LA Time, has been here forever.
He said on a radio show yesterday, I'm hearing that
if the Lakers wiff on free agency and if they
whiff on a trade, okay, they've got big trouble with Lebron.

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I mean, the Lebron era could be over before it starts. Here.
I heard this for the first time yesterday. Somebody very
connected said, you know what, if they whiff, Lebron's gonna
say either I'm out or get me out of here.
Dave mcminiman, very close through the years covering Lebron, backed
him up and said, basically, if a July tenth in

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LA and they got the guy from Orlando, they have
to settle for him as a free agent, and it
doesn't meet the criterion of bringing a star here. You
can imagine what's going to happen here and where this
thing is going to go. Okay, first of all, I
don't think this is possible. I think it's probable, and
I think the ejector seat it's all lining up. I
think this is all lining up. I've told you I

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think it's a Jimmy Butler Hale Mary for the Lakers.
Ask yourself this again, when you're breaking up with somebody,
what are the two ways All you guys are gals listening.
You want out of a relationship, You either start picking fights.
Lebron's not going to do that. He's not really that
kind of He's never gotten you know. Lebron doesn't get technicals,
he doesn't get in fights. That's not his personality. Or

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you go like Dark thirty. You separate, you stop talking,
you stop being verbal with your partner. Lebron James has
gone quiet for almost three to four months. You don't
see him anywhere in town. You don't see him anywhere
with Lakers. Why. Because this nonsense is bad for his brand.

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He doesn't know Rob Polinka, doesn't really know Jeanie Buss.
It's bad for his brand. Lebron doesn't want to be
known as the guy nobody wants to play with. Lebron's
like Magic, He's the great communicator. He elevates others, he
plays well with others. This is terrible for his brand

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and the ejector seats all lining up here. When Magic
bailed on the Lakers, it was the perfect out for Lebron.
Lebron can say, hey, Magic bailed on these guys. The
heart and soul of the franchise is like, I'm out,
I can't leave. This story comes out today again the

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ejector seat. Philadelphia seventy six ers are expected to offer
Jimmy Butler a MAX extension. Now, Jimmy Butler's an older player.
Jimmy Butler wants his money. Okay. Jimmy Butler likes LA,
but LA can't offer him that kind of money. Thirty
one year old guys who haven't gotten the big contract

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asked Paul George generally take the guaranteed money. Jimmy Butler
plays hard. Jimmy Butler could get hurt. That's why I
think Toronto still has a chance to get Kauai. It's
thirty five million bucks for a guy that gets beat up. Okay,
So don't kid yourself on this story. I don't think
it's I don't think it's possible. I don't think Lebron
ends his career in Los Angeles this year or next.

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In fact, in my opinion, there's something going on in
Los Angeles which is not being discussed on a national level.
When the NFL came to town, the Rams, they're building
a new stadium. They started stealing market share from the
other teams. That's why getting Lebron here was a big
deal for the Lakers. The Dodgers are seven games ahead
of the National League to the best run organization in town.

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They do is win their division every year and get
three four million people. So they're stealing market share and
right now this is the best team they've ever had.
This is the best team in baseball. Is arguably the Dodgers,
the best team they've had. Their seven games ahead of
the National League. Now you've got the Rams in town,
building a new stadium, NFL moving some operations out to
La Super Bowls, Oh, the Chargers. Now you've got LAFC,

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which is this new young hip soccer thing that's a
big hot thing in Los Angeles downtown in the city.
It's catching fire. You've also got the Clippers that share
a building with you are now giving the Warriors a
real series. So you've got market share slowly but surely
pulling away from the Lakers. And that's why I believe

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these Kyrie irving to the Laker rumors they're started by
the Lakers they're just trying to stay relevant in this city.
Klay Thompson's not coming here. Kd's not coming here, Kawhi's
not coming here, Kyrie Irving's not coming here. And now
Jimmy Butler's not coming here. And you also have a
reality with Anthony Davis. We have two people who I

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trust who have gone public with this. Gail Benson does
not want to trade Anthony Davis to the Lakers. She
hates the Lakers. She owns the Pelicans. Now I'm not
saying they couldn't just massively overpay, give every draft pick,
every player to get Anthony Davis. I'm sure Lebron you know,
he didn't want to play with the young guys. He
wants a star. But I do not believe Lebron retires

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as a basketball player. Maybe as a person he retires
in LA. I do not think he retires as a
basketball player. With the Lakers and the story this morning,
Bill Plashky and Dave McManaman tied in saying, if they
don't land somebody, or if they land a second tier
guy from Orlando, he may just say I'm out, get
me out of here. Remember I had the Lebronzo meter

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so we had the Lebronzometer. We thought Lebron would play
with Lonzo Ball, and we kept we kept bringing up
the Lebronzometer, and you guys gave me flak. It event
a Chili was right. Now we have the Logonzo meter,
Lebron's gonna be gone meter, and right now I think
it's a fifty percent. I really do. I think it's

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all lining up. He's distancing himself. Magic retires the perfect out,
Jimmy Butler signs a Max in Philadelphia. The other guys
don't end up here, and Anthony Davis Pelicans say we're
not doing it. You think Lebron James, who's been ahead
of this league for fifteen years, who's one of the

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great businessmen in the history of the league, you don't
think he's thought about this stuff. And for the record,
there's all sorts of teams. This could be beneficial for
the Lakers, Lebron and somebody else. Boston's got all sorts
of pieces, The Philadelphia seventy six ers have all sorts
of talent. None of it really fits. This could be
a win, win win for everybody. It's a win for Lebron.
He can go back to the East and get into

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the playoffs. Guaranteed he can play with better players and
more veteran players, and it's potentially a win for the Lake.
They could get they could get an infusion of talent.
But I don't think this story is a possible. I
think it's a probable. I really do. Let me shift
gears now to this. Odell Beckham is reporting to the
Browns today. These are mandatory mini camp workouts. He missed

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nine of the ten OTAs in the voluntary But when
he missed those, you know, guys like me are like,
that's not great. But remember the business OBJ is in.
He's really an NBA player in the NFL. Noise is

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great for Odell Beckham. It's good for his brand. It
made him rich. It sells his shoes when he doesn't
show up for voluntaries. It's a business decision. It got
him in the news. What players were we talking about? It? OTAs?
Oh one, Obj, if something made you rich and famous,

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would you stop doing it? Think Beyonce is going to
stop singing? The bottom line is the best business relationships
and this is why Obj and Cleveland's fascinating. The best
business relationships are when your interests you and me as
employees aligns with the business interests. Tucker Carlson used to

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be on MSNBC. That did not align conservative guy on
a liberal network. They broke up. So why the Beatles
broke up? John Lennon was the brooding star wanted to
do serious music, and Paul McCartney's like, I like the
pop stuff. It's popular and sells records. Beatles broke up.
Here's the reality of Obj's business, and it's made him rich,

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it's made him famous, and he's really I would argue,
the only global star in this league. Tom Brady's second,
and I think way back. Never forget Instagram followers. Obj's
got over double Tom Brady and Tom Brady sa is
that he bought a Rolls Royce the other day. Obj
it was orange. Why it made news. Obj's in the

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noise business, urinating in an end zone, buying an orange
Rolls Royce, skipping OTAs. These have made him rich. These
sell his shoes. He's seen his independent pushbacks at authority.
That's good for his business. Now we also know the
conflict here. Noise is terrible for the NFL business. It

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unraveled the great Seattle Seahawks apparent dynasty Joyce from Pittsburgh.
They have underachieved now for three straight years. The New
York Giants, Oakland Philadelphia after the Super Bowl got noisy,
then they cleaned it up and got quiet again. So
here's what we know. The best business relationships are when

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the employees interests aligne with the company's interests. Brady's aspirational
and wants to win, willing to take pay cuts. New
England's aspirational, wants to win and asks players to take
pay cuts. Brady Patriots perfect. His interests align with New England's,

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but Obj's do not align with any NFL team, and
he's gotten rich and famous off his interest which are
makes some great plays. He certainly wants to win games.
But you don't end up with a supermodel in a
hotel room in the sheets because you make great catches.

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You end up there because you're a global star. That's
who he is. And in the NFL, noise is bad
for OBJ. Noise isn't good. Noise is great. By the way,
if you look at the people that sell shoes, they
don't always have the most titles. They have the most

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discussion and Instagram and followers and talked about in viral.
That's what Nike's looking at. They're not looking at his catches.
Nike's looking at May. He's got fourteen million Instagram followers.
Oh my god, he moves product. Oh my god, young
kids love him. By the way, Julio Jones a better receiver.
Nobody's buying issues. All right. So I think what's fascinating

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about Cleveland and Odell Beckham is they both have different
business interests. I mean, yeah, they both want to win dah.
But winning's not what has made Odell Beckham rich. The
Giants didn't win. What made him rich was noise. Skipping
OTA's Noise, Orange Rolls, Royce Noise. A couple of nice

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catches with Baker here over the next top couple of weeks,
watch him show up on viral media. Watch over the
next week. You're going to see this will make Noise
Baker and Odell. He'll have a one handed cat and
Odell's people will won't be about a great play by
the Browns. It'll be about Odell making a catch. They
put it on the viral stuff. It catches fire Instagram followers, OMG,

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it's gonna be fascinating. It's gonna be absolutely fascinating. Can't
wait to watch it. Odell Beckham at Mandatory Mini Camp today.
It only lasts a couple of days. Coming up next,
talk about disrespect to the Toronto Raptors. I mean, it's
really incredible. What's happening that's coming up next. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and noon

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Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one
and the iHeartRadio A. Doug Gottlie will be joining us
this hour. LaVar Ball next hour, I am going to
pin LaVar down on serious basketball stuff because actually he
was wildly accurate on most of his predictions. What would happen.
He should be Lonzo's his son. He does have a
pipeline to the organization. So we'll talk about that. Herdline

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news in a couple of minutes with joy of course,
this story this morning, I mean, the Warriors are falling apart.
Clay Thompson MRI confirmed he as a hamstring strain, so
he will not be at one hundred percent. I don't
know how you play with a bad hamstring in the NBA.
I don't know how you do it. I don't know
how you guard anybody. Now, he's a catch and shoot guy.
You can throw the ball to him, he can shoot.
That won't hurt him. But what is remarkable Kevon Looney

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is also out. Boogie Cousins and Iggy are not at
one hundred percent. In fact, Boogie's not out, he's just
out of shape. And Kevin Durant will not play. It
is remarkable to me that Las Vegas has Golden State
as a six point favorite. Tomorrow night, I will take Toronto.
They don't play lousy generally in back to back games.
It's a veteran team. They can't shoot that poorly. Pascal's

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say Akam will play better than he played last game.
Lowry was annoying at best last game. I think Toronto
will actually play great and take a two one series lead.
The Warriors offense is going to be fine if Clay's
hobbling around the court. Listen, they shot forty six and
a half percent against the Raptors in four games so
far they year offense, you know they'll shoot forty six percent.

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They shot about forty seven percent against the rest of
the league. So Toronto's defense is better. But you talk
about losing flexibility defensively, Iggy's a great defender. He's not healthy.
Clay is a great defender. I'm sorry, but a hamstring
strain does not go away in four days. So and
Vegas must know something because they got him as a
six point favorite, and by the way it opened it

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five and a half, it's gone up to six. And
the only thing I can guess on this is that
this series, this will be the first game at Oracle
since I think like May twelfth or May fifteenth, May sixteenth,
So Oracle's been sitting there for a couple of weeks
dying for NBA basketball. So it will be like Game

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one in Toronto, it'll be a madhouse. You saw by
Game two in Toronto, the crowd wasn't as quiet, wasn't
jacked up. But when when an NBA team hasn't been
home for a while, and it's a great NBA team
and they need a ton of support because they're all
beat out. This is not like they're going in fully ammo,
ready to go, locked and loaded. So I Vegas, it's

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amazing to me. It's disrespectful that Kevin Durant's out. Clay
won't be close to one hundred percent Cavon Looney, who's
become a reliable player for them, is out. Boogie and
Iggy are hurt, and Golden State is a six point favorite.
That's incredible. That is just incredible in an NBA finals.
If I'm Toronto, if I'm Nick Nurse, I walk into

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the white board in the locker room and I just
put minus six. That's what the league thinks of you,
That's what Vegas thinks of you. You're a six point dog.
That's a shocking number. I'm not gonna bet it because
earlier this year I saw a number in the NBA.
I thought it was the easiest bet of my life.
And for two weeks after that, my family and I

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ate top Ramen if we ate at all. So I'm
not betting it. I'm just saying it's disrespectful. Joy with
the news. No, no, this is the herd line news.
Ramen is so good in college though, what's that top Ramen?
And what a great meals a hot sauce on it.
It was an entree, it wasn't even an app And

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everyone has their specific way that they cook it, like
the amount of time they have it in there. They
get the noodles right, that's a good Meal. Sticking with
those Warriors injuries, They're going to need contribution, contributions from
just about everyone who sees the court, and great games
from Steph and Draymond, which is why the latest Finals
MVP odds have step as a big favorite minus two hundred,

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followed by Kawhi Leonard is plus two eighty, and then
Draymond Green, Clay Thompson, Kevin Durant and passcalci Okamos report
last night there's some optimism amongst the Warriors that Clay
will play. Despite that, hamshing strain is you just said,
I'm with you. Even if he does play, he's not
going to be one hundred percent. He can't play defensively,
won't be the same player, right And and like you said,
I just don't think that the Raptors, they're they're too

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good of a team. And they're two seasons of a team.
Danny Green, Kawhi Leonard, they've been there before. They're going
to make adjustments. They're not going to play the same
defensively that they did, certainly in the third quarter. Knowing it,
that's when the Warriors tend to go on those runs. So,
I mean, gods have changed a lot from from pre
game one till now. Um, but I mean, Steph Curry

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being the favorite makes sense because Stef Curry is going
to have to be well. They're also telling you Worldly
Vegas is telling you they think Golden State's gonna win
the series. Yeah, they are saying that, which I don't
I don't believe, and I'm with you. I think Toronto,
Toronto wins tomorrow. Tomorrow, the wine and cheese crowd is
gonna be a little more turned than usual the right.
They're gonna what's that word again, turns a word I

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don't use much. I like that. I don't use turnt much.
I don't use turn much. You should sprinkle it in sparingly.
But it's going to be a little more than usually.
You got me to say lit at least once a week.
I was not responsible for that. I will not take
credit for that. Kawhi Leonard has obviously had a successful
first season with the Raptors, which has led many many
to wonder if he's going to stay in Toronto beyond

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this year, because most of us felt like it was
going to be a one year situation. But yesterday some
interesting news got out there. Michael Landsberg of TSN ten
fifty in Toronto has reported that Kawai has purchased property
in Toronto. Now, Kauhai also owns property in southern California,
but his house in southern California is nowhere near It's

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like an hour away down by San Diego. It's very
It's not where he's going to live if he plays
for if he comes in place of the Flippers, it's
not realistic. I mean you need to plane literally forget
a helicopter. Like it's not closed, so I mean it's
it's a massive house, but not where he's gonna stay
if he plays for the Clippers during the season. No,
I mean, look, maybe he's interested in real estate, so

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he's just property. I like, I'm not a real estate icon.
But in Canada, I believe an American has to pay
a fifteen percent tax to buy property in Canada. So
if it's for investments, you like, Americans don't buy Canadian
property for investment, generally, at least not a residential property.

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Maybe billionaires buy stuff, but it's it's like if I
wanted to buy a place in Vancouver, which is my
favorite city, maybe in North America Vancouver, BC, it's a
fifteen percent tax on top of Canadian taxes to begin with.
So it's not a great I mean, I wouldn't think again,
I'm not a real estate icon here. I wouldn't think
there's better places in America to invest than Yeah, an

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investment property doesn't make too much. It doesn't make Miami
no state pack It's I don't know, I just it
just feels to me that wouldn't be an investment thing.
LA's economy is on fire, California's economy on fire. Invest
by the investment if you're going to live in it. Well,
although you did have a very nice penhouse available toe
for free, so I don't take that. Finally, the Lakers

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were pretty lucky in the draft lottery. They got the
number four overall pick, but they might not be keeping
that selection. Oh. According to ESPN, they are an active
trade talks regarding the fourth pick and would be open
to trading for a veteran who can help them win
games next season. I don't know. I don't know about this.
I don't you know. It's funny because I rely on

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my NBA scouts guys, I trust they're very accurate. They
all love three players in the draft and then they
all have a bunch of sleepers and they're all ways.
They always say this, there's three guarantees in this draft.
Zion will be a good player, John Morant RJ. Barrett's
going to score. And then all my scouts say they
all have a different anson. After that, Yeah, after that,
I got four different guys. I ask one of them

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likes the guy from Texas that Jackson, Yeah, Jackson Hayes.
Two of my scouts love him and say watch him
in four years pop. So I just think if I'm
the Lakers with Lebron, I'm looking for guarantees not could
develop into I understand from the Lakers' perspective, trading this
pick that makes sense because you do need to put

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everything that you can around Lebron right now. Yeah, that said,
I mean the Lakers haven't really done the best job
of putting people around Lebron that make Lebron better. I mean,
if we talk about they did bring in a lot
of veterans last year, I mean it was it was
the Meme dream Team, right, but even when they brought
them in, we were like, what are they doing? Okay,
maybe they maybe they know something that we don't know,

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or maybe Lebron really does have relationships with all these guys,
or maybe there's some crazy concoction that they have as
as we learned that wasn't the case. So I don't
know who exactly they're going to trade forward this number
four picks. It is still a good pick. Yeah, if
you feel like you can trust your scouts and your
culture and your organizations to make the right decision. If

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you go back to last twenty years, there's generally eight
domestic players who sign a third NBA contract, So the
fourth pick, if you know what you're doing, you get
a good player. If you know what you're doing, you'll
get a good player. I mean good God, Kyle Kuzma
and Josh Hart complay looks where they picked them. We
can we can throw so many examples out there of
Raymond Star content, but I mean, from the Laker's perspective,

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it's not the worst decision to try and trade for
a veteran joy of the news. Well, that's the news,
and thanks for stuff. Third line breaking the dugger Dug
Gottlie Fox Sports Radio after our show is I'm all
gassed up on this story. You do not believe Lebron
James ever leaves La. No, no, um, he likes he

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actually likes it here. You kind of like it here too.
He has a child about to enter into high school,
and you know he's taking his son out of Brentwood
and now he's gonna move to Sierra Canyon, which is
now the basketball factory of the valley. And Dwayne Wade's
gonna put his kid there, not move whence your kids
in high school, You're not moving. It's just not happening.
And and Jeanie Buss would be a moron financially to

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trade him every every piece of Laker paraphernalia, every ad
dollar is based around twenty three playing for the Lakers.
He's a cash cow, just like the Lakers are a
cash cow. Yeah, it's not happening. And this idea that
they can't find anybody to trade for or anybody to
take their money, by the way, which would be as
much of an indictment on Lebron James as it would

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the culture and what's taken place within the Lakers organization.
I find it really hard to believe that would happen.
But even if they didn't get any big names, I
don't think they will. Well, look, they weren't that far
off last year. They just weren't, and I tend to
believe they will somehow. I viy a trade or buy side.

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If you just get a legit starting center right, and
you get shooters off of the bench who can play
with Lebron James, you're going to be a playoff team,
a very competitive playoff team. So a lot of dust
that needs to settle. Now. I will say this, Boogie Cousins,
I think they could overpay and get them. Why do
you want Boogie Cousins, Well, I'm saying I don't think
the Lakers. I don't see all the players. If Jimmy

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Butler signs a MAX that was one of the better opportunities.
I think the Kyrie story is a leak by the
Lakers to seem relevant because they're not in an increasingly
competitive market. I don't see them adding. Clay's not common,
Kawhi is not common. Katie He's not coming. I think
you get to a point where Boogie Cousins looks pretty
darn attractive if he plays well in his finals. He's skilled.

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He played one game, I know, but he hasn't stayed
healthy the last two years, and by the way, Lebron
wants a guy who's either a rim protector or a
stretch five. He's neither. He can shoot, but he's not
a stretch five, Like doesn't really fit there. They're gonna
try and trade for Anthony Davis. That is, that's where
the fourth pick could could end up. You know, Brad Beal,
You're gonna have a new GM eventually with the Washington Wizards,

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and people are gonna try and pick off those pieces. Obviously,
the Wizards are gonna try and get rid of John
Wall's contract, but nobody knows whoever play again or what
will look like when he comes back from injury. You
want to get Brad. You want Brad Beal, I do.
There's still you know, Kemba Walker's out there, there's there's
what happens with the Rockets. The Rockets apparently are a
fire sale. And who's close friends with Lebron James. It's

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Chris Paul, who once upon a time, for like five minutes,
was in fact the Laker. Again, I don't love that move,
but the idea that no one's coming to the Lakers
is feels kind of laughable. And even if they stood
pat and they simply added a couple of smart pieces. Actually,
Lonzo Ball is going to be outstanding next year. This
is his first offseason where he can actually work on

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a basketball floor, and he was getting close last year.
Kyle Kuzma is gonna be better. I mean, obviously, the
big question is Brandon Ingram's health. But it's not a
terrible roster. They had a terrible culture, and they had
terrible injuries, and they fell out of out of the
playoffs and it went south in a hurry. But they're
not trading Lebron James a year into a four year
contract when he's a cash cow. His son's entering high school.

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He likes it here. All his boys have moved out.
Here is his whole corporation is out here, not in Cleveland.
It ain't happening, by the way. Sorry, as total buzz killed. No, no,
I listen. I just get excited about I know you do.
I get very excited. I got World Cup on Friday.
I just watched the craziest fight of my life and
now I got this. Let me let me go into

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the Kawai things. He bought property in Toronto. I don't
buy it, but what else I've heard Toronto real estate
on fire. By the way, I'm not doubting that real
estate everywhere is in America right now it's pretty hot,
right that's not actually America. They did well. I mean,
I'm saying in North America. I mean why it's fifteen
percent charge to buy in Canada. But it's also Toronto specifically,
there's such massive immigration ryan and a population rush there

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that there's going to eventually they believe, be a housing crisis.
This may be an investment video. Okn't know, it's interesting,
but it is here. I'll say this about Kawhi is
that as much as I respect all the NBA writers
in this country, I don't think anybody has a clue.
I honestly don't think in my lifetime I've ever seen
a player. The NBA has quirky guys that had Dennis Rodman,

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NFL quirky guys Ricky Williams feel like outcasts. The NBA
kind of puts their arms around the earth is flat, Kyrie,
Dennis Rodman, Kawhi. We've always had a guy that's kind
of an enigma, a little bit of a mystery. I
think his body's a mystery. Do you have any inclination?
I have none, nothing I got nothing for you. I really,
I really do, and right and like he has no

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kind of facial expression. That just how he is. He
just he comes to work every day and then he
goes home and he doesn't give anybody anything. And people
are trying to react to his uncle. Was uncle's around now,
so maybe now his uncle wants him to like yeah,
but at the end of day, Kawai's a grown man.
He's gonna make grown man decisions. So I mean, we're
all operating under the presumption that he wanted to play
in LA He wanted to play with the Clippers. They

(28:26):
kind of fit his personality. They need a ready made
star at his position. Like it all kind of makes sense,
but we're all just kind of guessing. Let me ask
you this. Chris Bruce Sar said this yesterday. He's only
played over sixty six games twice. Seventy four is the
most he missed an entire season. He took twenty two
games offload management. It's a he has a weird body
that he knows. I'm not built to do ninety five

(28:49):
games like Lebron. I'm not built for this. Does that
I would be if that was what I knew about
my body. You know your body as as a former
athlete Kawhi does. Why wouldn't you just take guaranteed money.
You're gonna get guaranteed money, You're gonna get less guaranteed money.
And again, but this is all in your wiring. Like
I think, the difference is like forty million dollars but

(29:11):
an additional year, right, So remember that just because you say, well,
there's a forty million dollars difference. And remember he took
a hit to get a trade out of out of
San Antonio because he could have gotten the superbacks there,
right right, So he's already taken a hit. Now you're
talking about seventy million dollars. Remember if he signs a
four year contract wherever he goes, he could then sign

(29:32):
another one year deal and he could make up who knows,
thirty or forty million. It could end up being a wash.
It's a little bit overblown, okay, But can you really
spend one hundred and twenty hy million dollars? I can't,
and you could try. I remember that boat you had
when you first came up to Connecticut. An hour later
you did. Yes, Yes, If we all invested in real

(29:52):
estate in northern Connecticut. We could burn through money really
quickly because it doesn't make you any money right outside
of that, Like, I do think we're guessing on a guy,
and we're assuming that he thinks like we do. Where
you like, man, that's a lot of money, and Toronto
loves you. You're like an iconic star in an entire country.
On the other hand, LA's home and it's all money.

(30:14):
He's not going to spend anyway, right. I'm sure there's
a kicker with his new Balance deal where he gets
more money, you get more endorsements, even if he says nothing.
We're all just guessing, but it's the money is not
as great a difference as you're led to believe, and
money may not be the ultimate motivator for him. He's
already left thirty million dollars in the table in San Antonio.

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We'll talk about the final and the Warriors and this
dynasty own how it's falling apart with Doug Gottlieb stick
around LaVar Ball next Hour. Be sure to catch live
editions of The Herd week dayson noon Easter nine a Empacific.
Doug Gottlieb joining me LaVar Ball Next Hour. Corey Brewer's
going to stop by the show today. Was on that
MAVs team, the big upset MAVs team. Some have compared
Toronto too. Let's talk about the Warriors dynasty. Keviloni is out,

(30:58):
Clay Thompson hamstring, he's he can catch and shoot. I
don't know if he'll be much defensively, Boogie's out of shape,
Katie's not playing, Iggy's not perfect. Don't know if Katie's
not playing. He's not playing Game three? Was that that ruled?
Was that was that official that he's out? We don't
think he's playing, you know, and anyway, go ahead? I'm sorry.
So I guess, Mike. They're a mass unit. They're a mess.

(31:21):
They're a mass and they just won on the road,
like I can. We has any coach in sports history
ever gotten less credit than Steve Kerr. They're like, wow,
he's got the best players. Not the other night, he didn't.
He did not. He did not have Clay Thompson, he
did not have Kevin Durant. He had Boogie Cousins off
of multiple injuries and in his second game back, and

(31:42):
he had Steph Curry, who they're playing a box and
one on and they won on the road in Toronto, Like,
at some point we need to stop and take a
breath and realize over the last five years, last five years,
the Golden State Warriors have been the best at something
that I believe. I believe and I'm in the NBA believe.
Is a stat that can that can discuss how great

(32:06):
your coaching adjustments are. Yeah, the third quarter is your
adjustment quarter, Right, it's what did you see in the
first half. What were the adjustments you made for the
second half? You know, the best team in the third
quarter of the last five years and the NBA is
it's the Golden State Warrior. I don't think it's even close.
It's one year. It was one year, it was close,
but yes, it's well. The difference is there's been other

(32:27):
teams that have been fallen by the wayside. The one
constant has been the Warriors and this coaching staff. From
what they did defensively in Game two, the Raptors didn't
have a bucket for what the first six minutes. It
was shocking, Right, that's all defense and adjustments and figuring
out what they have, what they're doing, and how do
we take that away to the offense and how are

(32:48):
they guarding us? Okay, let's get some layups. They're not
just out there rolling the ball out and go like, Okay,
we'll just manage. He does more than manage the psychology
of stars and of a dynasty where guys are exhausted
at the process. He's actually an incredible basketball coach with
a bunch of smart guys around him. And they figure
out the equation, and they write up the problem at halftime,

(33:11):
and they come up with a solution in the second half.
It's incredible And as much as this is generally how
dynasties end, right, the Celtics dynasty came to an end
when Larry Bird's back went out. Yeah right, And the Lakers,
remember the Lakers first run was Kareem got old and
then Byron Scott one year got hurt. Yep, Okay, the

(33:35):
Lakers with Shaq and Kobe. Yes, they lost to the
Pistons and they had all that in fighting, but Carmelone
was hurt, Rick Fox was hurt. They started to fall
off with injuries. This is how the one guy that
about the heat exactly right, like d Wade couldn't give
you great back to back nights. His knees were well,
not just that, but remember Lebron cramped up that one
year in San Antonio. Kin his whole body is like

(33:55):
convulsive because he has to do so much for the team.
So the point is that even though you're right, it
looks like Toronto should win this game because they just
have healthier bodies between staff, the passing on this team,
which is incredibly underrated, and the coaching staff, which is
like not even discussed. Nobody even says anything about it. Yeah,
I would. I still think the Warriors will find a way,

(34:17):
because the Warriors find a way. I want to talk
about let's let's let's shift gears now, Tom. I want
to talk Obj And I said that he was My
second story today is that, listen, when you're rich and famous,
whatever makes you rich and famous when you're young, you're
gonna go back to it. Your loyalties, not to your boss,
your loyalties to what makes you rich and famous. Odell

(34:37):
Beckman has been on a losing football team and he
got rich and famous, and he got rich and famous
and his Instagram followers and that's why Nike gave him
a massive NBA shoe deal is because he's noisy. It's
good noise is great for his business. The other day
Orange rolls Royce all over the internet. He won the
Internet for a day. He wasn't practicing skipping ot as.

(35:00):
I could make the argument it was noisy, he was independent.
I'll do it my way is we know the NFL
noise is not great. We know in the NBA noise
is fine. There's a lot of noise. Players are more independent,
more powerful. What I think is fascinating with this, and
I have no idea how it's going to end. What
really makes Odell Beckham money and made him famous globally

(35:24):
is noise. What kills NFL teams, Steelers, Giants is noise.
How does it work? I well, I generally agree with
you and that you know the culture of NFL teams
are like speak quietly, was it speaks softly and carry
a big stick, Hey Roosevelt, right, I mean like you

(35:45):
and I have seen the charges the Chargers have. Everybody
talks about the personnel of the Browns, like the Chargers
have better personnel and offense and on defense. And my
question is the arm strength of Philip Rivers is kind
of late in the season, which we may get to
a little bit later, but we don't hear anything from
Keenan Allen. Right, we don't think we don't hear anything
from Hunter Henry now that he's back healthy, Like we
don't hear anything from these guys. We don't hear anything

(36:06):
from a lot of these teams. The one pushback I
will give you is it might just work. And here's why.
He got his best friend on the other side. And
you have a quarterback who seems to know how to
handle all the noise and all the nonsense. It's just
he kind of thrives on it, right, like Peyton Manning,
Eli Manning. They don't roll like that, right, that's that's

(36:29):
not They want everything they want. They want reps, They
want to know exactly where you're gonna be, exactly what
you're gonna want to be there. Their perfectionists. But remember,
but it's one of the reasons Peyton struggled in the
playoffs is because things aren't as playing in the playoffs.
I mean, even the timeouts are longer, the half times longer,
everything one more than anything, like what was a penalty
is no longer a penalty, and it throws your timing off.

(36:49):
And because he never had arms strength, knew exactly when
somebody's gonna be exactly where, and it threw him completely off.
Baker thrives in chaos. That's how he's at his best.
And every scout I talked to, they're like, well there's
you know, he's not quite as fast, not quite strong enough,
arm strength wise, whatever, But hey, what if you give
him some guys, he just finds a way and they

(37:12):
all gravitate towards him. He has that it factor in
terms of leadership. He just have. Now, I don't know
if he has the talent, and I also don't know.
Their early schedule is difficult. If they start out three
and three or two and four and you got a
rookie head coach who's unproven and he starts saying Southern expressions,
it could go bad in a bad way. But I
do think there's a certain genius to what John Dorsey's built.

(37:34):
It was like, look, I don't know if photo Beckham
Junior works, but we didn't pay him that first year's money, right.
We got him. We got him a quarterback who has
who has the ability to deal with his ego. We
got his best friend across the way, and we have
a lot of talents. So we feel like we're going
to score a lot of points. It might just work,
it might not, which you'll make it fun for us. Yeah,
I no, No, I think I said it might just work.

(37:55):
I said last year to Joy. I found myself last year. Generally,
I come home and I look where I can get
the two or three games I want to watch. Cleveland
was one of the games. They were fascinating. Here's my
biggest problem. And I said this when I was on
First Things First. This is months ago. I said, like, look,
he can say he's about winning. But when you're on
the hands team and you have the hands and your

(38:17):
entire image has been built around your ability to catch
balls here or there, and one's rolling towards you and
you make the decision to bail out, you have made
it known to everybody in the NFL that you are
not about winning, because winning is go get the football
right especially, that's what you do best. That's why you're
out in the football field. Whether you think a guy
should be out there, shouldn't be out there. He's had

(38:38):
a history of injury. Whatever that said to everybody, he's
not about winning, and I think not showing up at
OTA's shows, he's not about winning. But if it's going
to work, Cleveland is a place it can work. And
let's let's also not forget he is remarkably talented. Wide
receivers haven't been proven to win your Super Bowls or
even get you there, but Cleveland forget about winning super Bowls.

(38:59):
They have been elevant in years. They won one game
in two years combined. And now they have a roster
where people are going like, you know what, they got
some dudes there. If they can keep it all together.
They they last year they went seven eight and one.
They were one six and one. I guess I'm what
I'm saying. I was given Jay Glazer crap yesterday. He
said I put Baker in this group of the elite
guys above Russell Wilson. He was one in five against

(39:21):
winning teams. Yeah, they weren't good against winning teams, No,
I mean they were. Baker struggle. By the way, he's
a rookie. He should struggle. Sam Donald struggled. They all struggle.
I say they played. Remember they played the last play
schedule and they played, you know in their division was
the Cincinnati Bengals, who are were on pace to be
the worst defense in the history of the sport. So
that helps you when you have two games there, right,
So um, look, I'm you know, look at that schedule.

(39:44):
Put the schedule back. I'll tell you you think I'm
crazy on this. The end of the year, they could
face a lot of teams that are not even fighting
for a playoff. Look at Cleveland's first nine games, Holy Moley,
that's a lot of defenses and a lot of roadies.
That's a lot of road games. At the Jets at
Baltimore Westcoman. You look again in We're in June, now

(40:07):
in June, on the big, on the on the seconds,
it looks like one thing. I don't want to be
NFL schedule. Okay, I cannot I cannot wait. I love
being NFL schedule. Guy, it's my brand. Uh. Doug gottlieb
Our two next one more Heard. The Herd streams twenty
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iHeartRadio app, search Herd to listen live or on demand

(40:29):
whenever you like. Ah, here we go, hour two. This
is the Herd, wherever you may be and however you
may be listening live in Los Angeles I Heart Radio,
Fox Sports Radio on FF one Joy Taylor is joining me.
Joy I have. I'm going to expound upon a theory

(40:51):
that I have. You and I have both moved on
yes for our careers, and when you move, I always
get the yellow sheet to pay for pros and cons.
One of the things I always try to remember is
nothing status quo in our business. It's constantly fluid. Yeah.
So I'll give you an example, folks. When I left

(41:13):
the other place for Fox Sports, a lot of people
like Crazy Cards Crazy as a new network. One of
the things I strongly considered was the emergence of podcasts
and the emergence of digital and the growing power of Facebook.

(41:33):
I'll give you an example. So when I was at
the old place, I got one point two million podcast
listens a month, but podcasts were on fire, so I
knew I wasn't going to disappear. I get eight and
a half million a month, so my podcast audience is
seven times bigger. At Fox Digital. I had twenty seven thousand,
thirty thousand people listening to day at the old place,

(41:54):
but I knew digital was exploding. I now have one
hundred and sixty thousand minimum a day. It's six times bigger.
Book I knew this company would allow me to use
Facebook and monetize it. The old place didn't. I got
three hundred and thirty one million views last year on Facebook.
Nothing close in the industry. So it wasn't about just
coming over here and busting bought and working with people

(42:15):
like Joy. The world was changing around me and it
was just not you're gonna be on AM radio signals.
I knew as I came over the emergence of podcasting,
the power of Facebook, the emergence of digital would ensure
that if I just did a quality show that was
as least as good as the other one, and I

(42:36):
think this one's better, studios, better guests, or better people
around me are better, that I would grow. So my
decision was not just based on me. It was based
on the world was changing and I wanted and I've
always believed this in business, the world gives you waves.
Rtem make it easy on yourself. When you see a
wave coming, grab the surfboard, get on the wave. I

(42:56):
live in California, here by the beach. I like to
go to the pier, get a cup of coffee and
watched surfers. I enjoy that. It's therapeutic for me. Even
the best surfer can't do it without a wave. And
the waves were rolling when I came over here to Fox.
The podcast wave, the digital wave, the Facebook wave, the
YouTube channel, they were all exploding, and I thought, well,
I'll just do the same show. I'm not going to disappear.

(43:18):
Nobody's going to disappear in this business. So the point
being is, let me talk about an NFL player. So
Adam Humphries was a nice slot receiver and he chose
the Tennessee Titans and Marcus Mariota over Tom Brady. And
he came out and he said, the reason I did
it is I just didn't know how long Tom Brady
would play. Well. First of all, tom Brady's future is

(43:39):
better than Marcus Mariota's because I don't think Marcus mariotas
is gonna get into our contract in Tennessee's not very good.
He's thrown for over twenty touchdowns once in a passing league.
He's always hurt, missed nine games in four years at
least double that been banged up. He's a nonverbal guide,
a verbal position. I don't think Marcus Mariota is very good.
So Adam Humphries, nice kid, good player, mediocrity Tennessee over excellence,

(44:03):
Bill Belichick, Tom Brady, the ownership, the culture, the Super Bowls,
the momentum. He just chose it. But what he really
didn't think about, much like my career, was the world's changing.
Forty one year old quarterbacks are now thirty six year
old quarterbacks. Russell Wilson said yesterday, I'm want to play
till forty five. Drew Brees is forty one. Drew Brees,

(44:26):
if you noticed the last couple of years, he's playing
at the end of the year, Sol's old, Philip Rivers,
Sol's old Tom Brady. Have you noticed who's around at
the end of the year old quarterbacks? The world's changing
with all the nutrition. Have you ever noticed when you
meet somebody's kids, the kids are bigger than the dad.
Why because they ate better. My son has lived with

(44:46):
better nutrition than I have. And I had parents that
you know, mad nice life. We ate seafood, It was fine, right,
But my son's eating far more quality food. He's got
the nutrition that I didn't have have an understanding of.
And so basically, Adam Humphries, good player, nice player, chose

(45:08):
Marcus Mariota and the Titans over Tom Brady because his
quote was, you know, obviously he's the goal, but there's
so many things to factor in. How many years does
he have left? I don't know. You watched Brady win
the Super Bowl last year? Was he better than Jared
goffin the Super Bowl? I mean, he's been in three
straight Super Bowls? Isn't he the best quarterback every time?
He watched the Super Bowl? And you're gonna choose Marcus Mariota,

(45:28):
who's always hurt, who in the last two years has
twenty four touchdowns, twenty three picks they didn't come on.
And it's funny there are so few guarantees in professional football,
Like in the NBA. We knew the Warriors would be good.
I mean, I mean, you knew Philadelphia, Boston, You can
tell the playoff teams, Toronto, Milwaukee was getting better. You

(45:49):
can tell you knew Houston was going to be a
playoff team. You knew, you know, Paul George and Russell
Rustbook are gonna make the playoffs. In the NFL, Adam
Humphries had a chance to be part of a guarantee
and he chose Marcus Mariot and the Titans. In fact,
to prove my point these I'm gonna give you what

(46:10):
I believe to be absolute guarantees in the NFL, and
here's how few there are. Let's do number one Patriots
win the NFFC East. I think that's a guarantee. They're
going to get against Sam Darnold's second year, Josh Rosen's
second year, Josh Allen's second year. He's going up against babies.

(46:31):
I don't even think I'm being a Patriot Homer. I
think they're gonna win the division. If you look at
their schedule, if you look at the hard the better teams,
they play a lot of them at Foxborough. He's going
up against baby quarterbacks and all new systems and all
new coordinators. That's number one. Number two the Redskins will
not be great. Okay, the quarterback situation. They're going to

(46:52):
play a kid who potentially could be good, Dwayne Haskins,
not quite ready. The coaching staffs on their last legs.
They don't really have in the NFC in their division.
They don't line up personnel wise with Philadelphia or the
Dallas Cowboys. Washington will not be great. Number three the Saints.

(47:15):
They'll be good at home, you know, because they always
are I don't know if the Saints will be great.
I don't know if they make the playoffs, but they'll
be a better home team. Then they will be a
road team. And how do I know that because they're
always special at home. Number four, Patrick Mahomes will throw

(47:35):
for a lot of touchdowns. Between Andy Reid's play design,
Travis Kelsey, good offensive line, Patrick Mahomes is special. They've
got good personnel. They drafted another very good wide receiver
out of college. Andy Reid know's offense. Andy Reid's made
every quarterback in his career. I mean, Donovan McNabb thinks

(47:56):
he's a Hall of Famer. You put Donovan mcnabbo nine
of the co in the NFL. Donovan McNabb doesn't think that.
So Number four guarantee, Patrick Mahomes will pass for a
lot of touchdowns. Number five Andrew luck will blame himself
anytime the Colts lose. That is a guarantee. He's so
humble it's annoying. He's to the point I'm tired of

(48:17):
him blaming himself for every loss. But he will do that,
and it's a guarantee. Number six, the Browns don't be noisy.
I don't know if they'll be bad. I don't know
if they'll be good. I think I'd be pretty good,
but they'll be noisy. Baker his brand, Instagram, Twitter, fights controversy.

(48:39):
Odell Beckham has gotten rich and famous on making noise,
not on touchdowns and wins. He hasn't. He's a global
superstar because of the noise, the hair, the fun, the volume.
The Browns will be noisy, and my seventh guarantee, the
Raiders will also be noisy. I mean this is I
consider this for a number one, but since I had

(49:01):
two noisy teams, I put the Raiders down the list. Listen,
Gruden is a television personality as a coach. Their GM's
a former TV personality, Antonio Brown again, like OBJ, kind
of an NBA player in the NFL. They're moving lame
duck and they also have kind of a dysfunctional outlaw
rebel brand which even in bad seasons makes news. And

(49:25):
by the way, that's seven NFL guarantees. I don't have
an EPH. I do not have an EPH. And Adam
Humphrey's good kid chose Tennessee over that when you make
a career move, don't just consider yourself is the world changing.

(49:46):
Because if there's a wave, and I watched these on
Saturday mornings with a cup of coffee, grab your board
and write it. The wave of New England is not
done yet. The wave for Tennessee doesn't even exist yet.
LaVar balls around the corner a no nonsense interview. I

(50:07):
will press him, he will fire back. We'll talk basketball.
He was very accurate on many of his claims, on
many of his assertions, on many of his most pointed opinions,
he was right on most of them. We'll talk to
him next. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Herd week dayson Noneaster, not a Empacific, on Fox Sports

(50:28):
Radio FS one, and the iHeartRadio app. All right, we
have a breaking story. David Griffin, who essentially is the
big honcho running the Pelican smart guy and the Pelicans
have begun listening to teams on potential Anthony Davis trades.
What does that mean that Anthony Davis and his agent,
Remember I said last week, why are they continuing dialogue?

(50:49):
Just tell the Pelicans nothing has changed. Well, Anthony Davis
and his agent Rich Paul have made it clear we're
not staying here. So this is big news. Now. So
Anthony Davis, according to Sham Shiranya, who's been on this
show before, there now in the process of listening to teams,

(51:10):
Shams is reporting that four teams that will be able
to compile the best packages Nick, Celtics, Lakers, Nets. That's
per rival executives. Now, the Lakers have better players than
the Knicks do. The Knicks have better draft picks than
the Lakers do, including the number three pick, which is
very attractive because that could be RJ. Barrett. So that's

(51:31):
the story. Anthony Davis and Rich Paul have clearly now
told the Pelicans appreciate the dialogue we want out. So
Zion Williamson, who I think is going to be terrific,
is now going to probably have a very young group
of players around him. And that's where we stand in

(51:51):
with that. I want to bring in LaVar Ball, founder
CEO the Big Baller brand. Of course, dad of Lonzo
Lamello and Leangelo Ball is joining us. That's interesting news us. LeVar,
for you, how are you? First of all, I'm doing great.
I was appreciated. Even though sometimes we pushed back at you.
You always come on and answer every question. Oh yes,
every single time with us now. So I thought it's

(52:13):
very interesting there is speculation in order for the Lakers
to get Anthony Davis. They don't have the draft picks
of the Nets Knicks. They don't have um. I would
say the Celtics have more veteran players, whereas the Lakers
have some very talented young players. They have two forwards
who both averaged eighteen, Brandon Kyle. They have your son

(52:33):
who most exacts still like in this league, a Lotto's
always had the lower the bruise to his ankle. At
deep bruise, he will be ready for camp. Are you
concerned at all when you hear this story that potentially
Lonzo could be part of a trade package? That's part
of LA one of the biggest things in LA. So
you got to make him part of the trade process.

(52:55):
On the fact that people go on listen to that,
I ain't going nowhere. Let me he just told this out. Yeah.
If I told you Lonzo for the next nine years
plays with Zion Williamson, is that worse than the current
situation with the Lakers. I'm not gonna say no. No
situation is worse because, like I said, Lonzo adapts to everything.

(53:15):
It was ever his teammate. He gonna make him good.
So I'm not gonna be like, oh, that wouldn't work
with him. In Zion, Lonzo works with everybody. He's gotta
give him a chance to him do his Thingum. Lonzo
was the only Laker player that Lebron put on one
of his shows, one of his productions, The Shop. I
took that as a sign that Lebron was telling people

(53:38):
this is the one teammate I connect with. I like
this kid. What did you make of him putting Lonzo
on the Shop, Well, you gotta put him on the shop.
If you put anybody else on there, they're now gonna
watch that. They're gonna watch the shop just because Lonzo
is who he is. He's the only guy in the
NBA with his own brand. No, that's not true. Oh yeah,
it's true. Lebron didn't have his own brand. Lebron don't
have his own brand. What brand is Lebron? Uh Nike

(54:01):
is not his brand, Lebron Nike, that's Nike's not his
own brand. Long as his own brand, Triple B's is his. Well,
but he that Triple B has gone through some well
publicized difficulties. So right now that that don't mean nothing.
I mean difficulties as in what as in you, uh,
somebody that you perceived as a friend. Okay, stole some money,

(54:23):
so what let's say that happens in every business, same thing.
And Steve jobs they've took more money than that in
his in his business. Well but Apple, I think, well,
I'm just saying it happens on a large scale on
any business. This is something that always happens. It's not
a big deal. Okay, you came on. I think it
was undisputed. We have a tape many of your claims,

(54:43):
which people say Colin LaVar is just blowing smoke. And
I always say with you, A you've done a good
job with your kids, I mean they all got offers
to UCLA, and B you're often very accurate. You remind
me of Jose Conseco, who nobody wanted to listen to,
and years later we went, oh, Jose was writing all
the steroid stuff. So you said this on undisputed. I
want to play this magic. I think is is from

(55:07):
my point of view. Now, listen to him talking and
stuff like that. It's just a face. I don't think
he's say so. It's like he's say so he really
I know it's not because he told me some things
and I thought that should have been done. That's that's nothing. Okay,
who is in charge? I'm trying to figure out who's
in charge. That's why the system is crumbling down for

(55:27):
I don't know what's going on over there. Okay. That
by the way, when you said that, you got a
little pushback. That's probably the most accurate prediction of what
has happened. It has crumbled down. A Were you shocked
at Magic quit? No, I'm not shocked at what anybody does.
Like I said, Like I told other people, the only
thing I'm shocked about is if my wife leaves me.

(55:48):
That's the only thing that can shock me in this world.
Other than that, I'm not shocked by anything. Did you
understand why Magic left? I don't even understand why he left,
Like I said, you can. You can tell people what
when an earthquake is gonna come, when the weather's gonna change,
But you don't know what's going on in somebody's mind.
They could flip on you in the minute. You'd be
like wow, I never thought that would happen. So I

(56:08):
never put it past anybody's mind set to do anything
that's different. Who today is running the Lakers? LeVar? Who
today is right? Right now? Nobody's really running the Lakers.
They have no clue what's going on because when you
got a lot of people in the building, everybody has
a voice. There's no certainty in it where somebody has
the bottom line. Because let's say, let's say Jeannie Busses

(56:30):
at the top, she makes the final decision, yes, but
how she's gonna make the final decision if she's sitting
next to her best friend that's been friends with her
for they're not thinking business wise yes, So basically you're
gonna listen to her just because she's your friend, and
it might not be the right decision. That's why they say.
Usually the bad guy in the room is usually a
bad guy. Ain't a bad woman. It's a bad guy

(56:53):
because he don't have no feelings. And that's how this
business is supposed to be ran. You can't do it
on feelings, doesn't Lonzo, So you're acknowledging uncertainty with the Lakers.
Why would Lonzo want to be part of that? Like
I said, the only thing that I saw that was
crushing Lonzo was Luke Walton and even Magic had to

(57:14):
write thing to say this, and my boy is the
face of the Lakers. Lens the face. Listen what I'm
telling you. Magic had said that before Lebron even got there. Yeah,
before Lebron, you could say Lebron's the face. But Lebron
is getting old. That face is gone, believe it or not.
He's on his way out. So the best thing to

(57:35):
do is is hook up with this youngster that can
play this game, has the same i Q. Lazo is
a talent and a player that Lebron has never had
as a teammate, which is a guy who's invested in
winning and don't have all these other things on the
outside looking in. What I mean by that, the fancy cars,
the women, the nightlife. Laso is just about winning, quiet, rapping,

(57:57):
running and doing his thing playing basketball. You can see
that Lawns was not faking by like, oh, he doesn't
really like basketball. He's just in it for the money. Okay,
So if the Lakers do not land Anthony Davis because
they don't have enough assets they can outbid Jimmy Butler
appears he's going to be offered a max deal by
the Sixers. Hard for a player to not take forty

(58:21):
million guaranteed. Right. I don't think Clay's coming here. I
don't think Katie's coming here. I don't think Kahi's coming here.
I don't think Kyrie's coming. I think the Lakers planted
that to remain relevant if they don't land anybody. LaVar
and it's just the same guys. There's a story today
that Lebron may say, I'm out of here. Do you
believe that Lebron's not going anywhere? How do you know that?

(58:42):
I know that because it La. They love the way
this weather is, They love the next step in his life,
space jam movies. All this plays into effect. When you
come to La. You can't go anywhere else. It's not
about him playing for the money now. It's about him,
even his son. They like California. The buzz they're getting
around here now is he loves this? So he's not

(59:04):
going nowhere? Who do you think they land? They don't
have to land anybody. Well, they're not gonna win a champion.
Well here's the thing. You can win a championship with
this team, but you have to start off by making
all these youngsters that you try to throw under the
table believe that you can win with this group. They
got the skills to win. Could I make Could I
make the argument last year? And I did credit. I

(59:26):
love Lebron, but I said last year, I didn't think
he had a great leadership year. I didn't think he
put his arms around young players. And young players need love.
They you know, you come into this league, you're nineteen,
you get a lot thrown at you. You need a
little love. But here's the thing too, this is what
Lebron was supposed to play a lot of minutes and
be winning. Luke didn't play him the right way. It

(59:47):
is on this savior thing talking about oh I want
to save him for the playoffs. I want to save
Why are you trying to save somebody if you're not
there yet. How about we play leaving me in for
three straight quarters. Him and lines will let him just
win and do what they do and then him out
the last quarters if they're winning by a lot. By
the way, it should be noted Lebron and Lonzo the
plus minus of the Lakers was at its very highest
when Lebron and Lonzo did play. Yes, and that's why

(01:00:10):
I was thinking, why would you get Lebron and don't
play him with Lonzo the whole game until you win.
I'm paying a guy all his money. He's playing the
whole game. If Lonzo is the player that you believe
he is, Yes, why would I not demand Lonzo ball?
If you want Anthony Davis, you don't have to put

(01:00:32):
that out there and demand it on the fact that
some people may get a little bit in their feelings,
like he only likes him, he favors him. And that's
when you start. If I'm putting different, different, different mixes
in your group. If I'm if I'm David Griffin and
you give me a number four picker, Lonzo, I'm choosing Lonzo.

(01:00:53):
What if the Lakers have no choice but to land
Anthony Davis, you have to give Lonzo up. He's simply
the best arguable asset. But you gotta look at that
and say, even if you get the best player, who's
gonna lead you. Lebron ain't gonna play point, who's gonna
be willing to give that ball up. It's just like
people were telling me the other day, they said, well,
you know, Lonzo, it's not gonna be the primary ball handler.

(01:01:15):
I said, well, you gotta look at my son differently.
On the fact that he don't handle the ball. He
get rid of it so quick, get get down the court,
give him the ball, let him take his strides. He
neither make a layup or kick that ball ahead where
you can make an easy layup or easy jump shot.
What do you make of Frank Vogel as the new
coach of your son and the Lakers. Frank Vogel, I
like what he says, But everybody could be good on
the first date, like they say everything you want to hear, Oh,

(01:01:37):
I love you, He's so good, you might soul mate.
Same thing. I like what Frank is saying right now.
It is like I like Lonzo. He's putting the point
out there where he's not saying most people was talking
about their veteran guards like, oh, I gotta well, at
least I have Rondo to kind of mentor Lonzo. And
he say nothing like that. He was just like, Hey,
I like Lonzo. I'm letting you guys know right now.

(01:01:58):
So it ain't no friction, be like we get anym
oudt of here, because what the media wants to do
is say why you want to deal with Lonzo and
you got to deal with his daddy. By the way
you were quieter this year. No, did Magic tell you
not to talk? Can't nobody tell me? Jesus can't tell
me now? Well I think he could. No, he can't.
I'm still talking. I think when I get up there,
I'm gonna HOLLI at him again. So I'm just trying

(01:02:19):
to tell you. Ain't nobody tell me now? If I'm
a businessman, I have to do business. I got two
other sons I gotta deal with. Lonzo was in the NBA.
My goal is to get all three of my boys
in the NBA. So I still got work to do.
But I'm knocking on the door. I'm right there. Do
you have any relationship with Lebron? I don't have a
relationship with Lebron. See here's the thing. Somebody asked me

(01:02:40):
a question back in the day, and they said, when
you think Lebron's son is gonna be good? And I
was like, well, most superstar sons are not good. And
then people turn that around like, oh, he's talking about
your family the far So no, you gott ask me
a question. I gave you an opinion. So now Lebron
comes at me defensively, saying, keep my family out of
your mouth, and I'm like, wait a minute, can't nobody
tell me what to say? So then I get defensive

(01:03:00):
towards him. But I have nothing against Lebron. He's been
my son's favorite player. I like the guy on the
fact that he big and strong, young and played the
game the right way doing everything he does. Yeah, so
I never had no beef against him. And the media
tries to make it sound like I told him my
son's gonna be the first ones this billionaires playing ball,

(01:03:21):
and he's like, oh, Lebron, he's talking about he's gonna
beat you to making billions. I hope we have a
race to see which one of us as black men
make it to billion dollars. All right? Season four of
Ball in the Family available now on Facebook Watch. You
always answer the questions. You have been remarkably accurate with
some of your predictions. You said Luke wouldn't last, you

(01:03:41):
said Magic wasn't really running it. I think your opinion
now on what's happening. I don't think they've synthesized Magic.
I agree the organization. I think there's issues. I'm interested
on this Pelican story, though, LaVar about they are now
shopping Anthony Davis so I wish you and your family
the best. You're always welcome here. Thank you. You know
you were behaved very well today. Joey, do you have

(01:04:03):
anything you'd like to apprush him on? It's good to
see you. It's good to see you. Definitely good season
four Ball in the Family available now on Facebook Watch.
Thank you for coming by the show. All right, thanks
appreciate it, Thank you. No, no, turn on the news.
This is the herd Line News. All R. Let's get

(01:04:24):
a little a little inside baseball in this case inside basketball.
Ratings are a little tricky. But we haven't talking about
the ratings when it comes to the NBA Finals and
how it's it's been a little difficult. So who's watching
in Canada because we don't get the Canadian right? That's right. Well,
the NBA has said that through the first two games,
thirty five percent of the Canadian population has watched all

(01:04:47):
are part of the finals. Now, Canada's population is about
thirty seven point six million. Yeah, so I want to
get too crazy into the math here, but that's that's
about thirteen point one six million. Ye, So that's the
Canadian rating, right, which you would then in theory add
to and if you if you did add the Canadian

(01:05:07):
rating to the American rating, it would be around twenty
six point seven million, and what would so the rating
would be what it usually is. Basically, Yes, yeah, this
is what you and I have been saying. There's listen,
I'm a big believer in this. You either like the
NBA or don't. And if you don't like the NBA,
you're gonna look at their ratings to go, oh, it's
in the tank. They're getting four times the Stanley Cup ratings.

(01:05:30):
It's fine. The league is fine. They're making by the
way they were up. I think I'm gonna be wrong
on this. They're global sales last year. Well yeah, like
that's the bigger part of this, thirty five percent of
the Canadian population watching the finals is that we, you know,
tend to focus on just US America. There is a

(01:05:51):
whole world out there, and particularly Canada and especially Toronto
is a very international city. A lot of immigration in
the country of Canada. So you're you're this is a
huge international audience and it's growing the game. By the way,
if you go to Singapore, if you go to Pakistan,

(01:06:12):
if you go to Amsterdam, you will see more NBA
jerseys than NFL jerseys. It's a global game. We can't
get caught up on what a domestic rating is. The
league is printing money right now. No, and they and
they are making an effort to expand the game, Yes,
with leagues in other countries. So if they want it

(01:06:32):
to be there's a there's a league. Isn't a former
president of Barack Obama in Balden. Yeah, they're they're putting
league in Africa and um Um. I believe several countries
in Yaca um and they've they've made some other leagues
as well. I don't have the countries in front of Yes,
they're they're growing the game globally. They want to people all.
They want to redo the way the G League is
structured so that there's options so kids don't have to

(01:06:54):
go to New Zealand the best way. Somebody said this
to me once. The kid in Beijing who buys a
mill Hockey Bucks jersey because he loves Janus is every
bit as valuable as a Pacer fan sitting in the
twelfth row at that arena. It's when you're a global brand,
it's not just about a domestic rating and a domestic
season ticket holder. If the kid over in Beijing is

(01:07:16):
buying shoes every other year, or a Raptors jersey that
valuable as a kid I who win a Portland they're
putting teams in Angola, Egypt, Kenya, Morocco, Okayteria, Rwanda, Senegal,
South Africa. Cool And by the way, you know who
I'd be freaking out joy if I wasn't NHL owner
in Canada. Yes, that's that's that's that's what the bad name.

(01:07:39):
Would thirty five percent of Canadian viewers be watching a
Vancouver in a playoff series? I mean, that's what I'd
be freaking if I'm an NHIL owner in Canada. And
I'm saying it so the NBA is getting bigger in
our country than hockey. And also this is another selling
point honestly for Kawai to stay in Toronto like the
Raptors should be all over this, you know. So this
is pretty big news. Todd Girl's role maybe decreasing moving

(01:08:02):
forward because of looming concerns about his left knee. So,
according to NFL Networks Ian Rappaport, the days of Girlie
being the straight up, every down Valcau are probably over.
Just based on his knee, his age, the position, the
amount of perris he's had, It's probably not going to
be like that, which, by the way, is maybe why
the Rams drafted are running back in the third rounds

(01:08:22):
someone they really like a lot. This is a team
that's clearly ready to spread the ball arounds well. By
the way, when they gave him a contract, Joy, it
was a year before they had to. And I had
an NFL exact who I have great respect for, say,
why did they pay him a year early? You don't
do that with running backs. You do it with quarterbacks.
You can do it with a tight end, a left tackle,

(01:08:43):
but are running back, they don't last forever in this league.
You don't pay running backs in this league until you
have to pay running backs in this league. And now
that's going to be a lot of money that's not
gonna be on the field. Yeah, this is kind of
devastating news for the Rams, although I mean, clearly they
have a plan, so they saw this coming, being that
they did draft the running back in the third round.
But with all that money he's tied up and Todd Gurley, look,

(01:09:06):
I feel like you have to. You have to pay
talent like that's you're not gonna win in any league
without talent, and sometimes you just have to pay guys.
And as of recent running backs have been an incredibly
crucial part of this success. Todd Gurley not being available
crush the Rams in the Super Bowl, I mean, to me,
totally different the biggest factor. So they are incredibly valuable

(01:09:29):
and their value has increased. Whereas for a while we
were thinking, you know, maybe maybe you do always do
a running back by committee, or maybe you shouldn't pay
the running backs that much. I just think in this
particular situation, and they don't feel like he can be
in every run back and that's fine. Also, sometimes you
do need to spread it around. I agree with you,
you have to pay talent, but I do believe there
are certain positions in life don't pay it you have to,

(01:09:50):
and like in baseball to non salary cap, if you
want a god, go get a guy. Yeah, I think
now you give away with it now because Jared Goff
isn't making big money, so it doesn't crush you like
it will. Well, that allowed the Rams to put together
the teams in which they did because of Jared Goff.
And if you can give him Let's say it gets
ten carries not sixteen, and you liked this third round back,
it could all work out. By the way C. J.
Anderson helped get him to the super Bowl too. If

(01:10:13):
you if you're only getting twelve carries not seventeen nineteen,
we're not saying he's not playing. We're just not going
to make him a twenty three carry a game guy.
It may actually turn out to be a better situation
because you don't feel like you have to run him
like that because you're paying him that much A lot
of times, and these guys have these big contracts, you
get the feeling like, Okay, he's got to be in
every down back because look at what he's making, when

(01:10:33):
in reality it's better for the team. If he's not
and he does get maybe just the third down carries
or whatever it is, destruction might actually be more beneficial.
And finally, great news out of the Big Ten Conference today,
Kevin Warren, the CEO of the Vikings, was introduced as
the league's sixth commissioner today. Wow, so he left the
CEO of Minnesota Vikings. Of the Vikings, he was promoted

(01:10:54):
to the CEO of the Vikings in twenty fifteen, he
became the first African Americans in NFL history and the
highest ranking African American executive working on the business side
of any NFL organization. And now he sets to become
the first African American commissioner of a Power five collegiate
COMRADI big hire by the Big Ten. Well, you know what,

(01:11:17):
good congrats to the Big Ten. First of all, because
you got a great candidate. Secondly, you know, it's funny
college football is now paying coaches and administrators a lot
of times as much or more than NFL. And in college,
you know you generally have if you're a commissioner of
a sport, that's a fifteen year job for life, right.
NFL gm CEOs depends on if the owners in a

(01:11:40):
good mood, depend on of your quarterback and win game right, No,
it's it's yeah. I mean, well, in this situation, you're
not responsible for one specific team and you're not holding
to let's right, you know one billionaire in that situation.
So An the way he took over for Delanny was
a legend, right deal maker, total dealmaker, So good for him,
good for the Big Ten. That's great. Joy with the news. Well,

(01:12:01):
that's the news and thanks for stopping the Herdline news.
Chris Haynes joins us. Next, we have breaking news. The
Pelicans now are taking offers for Anthony Davis. That is
breaking the very latest with Chris Haynes. Anthony Davis, Rich
Paul have told the Pelicans thanks but no thanks love Zion,
we want out. This is going to be a massive

(01:12:24):
story for the next two weeks, three weeks until a
deal is made. We'll ask Chris next when he thinks
the deal will be made. Be sure to catch live
editions of The Herd week dayson noon Easter nine a Empacific.
All right, we have breaking news the Pelicans. David Griffin
is now taking calls and offers on Anthony Davis trade packages.

(01:12:48):
Let's go. Let's go to the phone right now and
bringing Chris Haynes. You know him here at FS one.
You see him a lot senior NBA insider for Yahoo
Sports Cleveland playing dealer covered the Warriors. So Chris, thanks
for joining us. So the story comes down, David Griffin
is now fielding offers. Um that leads me to believe
that Rich Paul and Anthony Davis told David Griffin thank you,

(01:13:10):
but no thank you. Zion's gonna be awesome. But we
want out what did you make of this story? No,
I mean this was just the next step. This is
just the next step. You know. David Griffin, you know
informed um Anthony David's agent, Rich Paul that you know
they're just gonna, you know, move and try to see
what's out there. And uh, you know this this was

(01:13:31):
all you gotta understand Rich Paul and David Griffin's relationship
dating back you know, when they were both in Cleveland. Uh,
they have a good, a good firm relationship. And so
you know, if there wasn't anything hostile U with talk,
David Griffin understood Anthony Davis's position, but he definitely wants
to let him go. Like, hey, things are going in

(01:13:52):
a differrection with the organization. Got a new training staff,
you know, restructure at the front office. You know this
is going to be a good building block that we
have in the number one pick. But you know, after
Davis let them know, like you know that sistance hasn't
hasn't changed, the position hasn't changed, and you know they're
just gonna, you know, try to go there and part
their separate ways. And I think it's good foot far Okay. Now,

(01:14:14):
this is good news for Lebron obviously in the Lakers,
but there have been reports that have surfaced that Gail
Benson would prefer not to trade into the Lakers, who
she's no big fan of, and she'd prefer not to
trade into the West. If I told you of the
four or five teams that have come out, where do
you suspect who will have the strongest opportunity to land

(01:14:37):
Anthony Davis? You know it's tough, you know I would
I would have said m months ago, probably that Boston.
You know what, there's a troll of assets, but you
know it's looking likely day by day that Kyrie is
not going to be a part of that. And that
was one of the reasons I actually reported, I believe

(01:14:57):
back in February or sometimes that, uh, after Davis didn't
have Boston on the list because you know, he was
concerned with, you know, Kyrie's long term future there in Boston,
and that's something like it's going to play out. Look,
it's gonna it's gonna be tough. It's wide open right now.
You know, I don't know necessarily that uh the owner
publicans owner and David Griffin would just be Adam and

(01:15:19):
not trading them to the West. I think at this
point this is not the mess that David Griffin. David
Griffin made, you know, he didn't. He didn't create all this,
and so with him, I think he needs to do
what's best for the organization. I think he will do
that whatever wherever he can bring home the best asset
to keep this franchise before a long period of time.
I think that's what he's gonna do. And if that's

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the Lakers that you know, I think obviously there will
be some hesitancy. But if the Lakers package is just
so much more better than what anybody else out there has,
then I think they have to listen to the baking
that deal. Now, the Knicks have better picks than the Lakers.
The Lakers have better players than the Knicks um Let's
and you know that at least Kuzma or Brandon Ingram.

(01:16:04):
They would take one of those forwards they both averaged eighteen.
They'd want the number four pack. They'd want one of
those forwards. In your opinion, would they want Lonzo Ball? Yes,
I think they would want him, and I don't you know,
I don't know necessarily necessarily that they want him just
for a be their cornerstone player. But you know he's

(01:16:27):
a former number two pick. You know they're still upside
with him, so you have to have you have to
bring him on just for just for a clear standpoint
of just having another transible asset. So with that being said, yes,
I think it was. You know, the probably have to
include Lonzo as well. And at this point for the Lakers,
I think you know that there are rumblings early on

(01:16:49):
in initial States when New Orleans and Lakers are going
through their negotiations that Lakers weren't putting forth their best
offer like they're in No. I don't know if that's
true or not, but as a going into this summer,
this off season, they're in no position to be flirting
with and playing and tinkering. You gotta go all in,
and if that means putting in the whole young correy

(01:17:09):
to get a d I think you have to do that. No,
I just had LaVar Ball on the show. If I'm
David Griffin, I want the four pick. I want one
of those forwards, and I want Lonzo Ball because if
I got Zion running down the floor, I know that
Lonzo Ball makes Wings better, so I think you have
to I don't think they're making that move with the
Lakers unless Lonzo is part of that package. Now, do

(01:17:30):
you believe you can't make a deal until the season's over?
Do you think this deal with Anthony Davis would happen
sooner than later? Like when would you suspect the timeline
would be here? I wouldn't be surprised if it happens
before the Draft day, but I don't expect I would
be highly surprised if this extended out late into the
off season. So my rains, I'm thinking for a move

(01:17:53):
like this, you have to you know, New Orleans wants
to move on. David Griffin wants to move on. You know,
this is his, this is his, this is his time. Now,
this is just tendu. So you know, I think he's
gonna look out there. It looks these these these these
offers gonna come in quick in the quest. You know,
this is Anthony Davis, you know, just the time to
do it before the draft. So I wouldn't be surprised
if it happened around the last time, But I wouldn't

(01:18:15):
expect this to extend deep into deep into the off
season at all, by the way you're covering the finals.
Clay Thompson, the MRII confirmed he has a hamstring strain. Chris.
That tells me, even if he comes back, he'll never
be fully healthy for the series. Isn't that your takeaway? Yeah,
I don't think. I don't think you can. You know,
I saw him after the game and he actually told

(01:18:35):
me that he can't see himself missing tomorrow Knight's game.
And when he was after the game in the locker room,
you know, he was stretching that that hamstring out and
just yelling at times, you know, with the pain with
certain movements of his leg. And so that's when you
knew it was. It was quite, you know, pretty pretty.
I wouldn't say that serious, but it was. It was.
It was a need of concern, but he felt like

(01:18:58):
he felt like he's going to be able to give
it a go to The Warriors are calling them of
questionable right now, so we'll see. But I'll tell you
right now, with kde and Klay Thompson, if they're not
available for Game three, man that pushed the Wars in
the dire state that they've never been in. It's during
the championship, no question. Chris Haynes, great stuff, NBA Insider,
Yahoo Sports, Thanks Chris, Colin, Colin, I I want to

(01:19:19):
mention mention the Media Game, the media game that we
put together that's going to be live streamed on T
mobiles UM on their Twitter account Metro at T Mobile.
I got the Media Game comprised of forty media members
playing tonight. It's a tournament style. You could watch everything somebody.
It's gonna be live commentating to see some of your

(01:19:39):
fans can see some of their favorite media members going
at it, and players get to see some of the
media members that they hate kind of sticking it up.
So it's going to be a good events and I
encouraged to check that out, all right, Chris, Thanks Buddy,
Thanks Colin. Anthony Davis on the Block The Trading blocked
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Brough on iHeartRadio. Right here in FF one, Joy Taylor
is joining me. So we don't get breaking news. Maybe
once a week on our show we get breaking news.
Got two things, the Todd Gurley news. He will not
be their bell cow back. They drafted somebody in the
third round. He's gonna split carries. They paid him early,
took a risk, not great lot of money, not in

(01:20:45):
the field. If that's the case. Ian Rappaport reporting that
the other story is that Anthony Davis is now in
the trade block. So now remember Joy. A week ago,
Anthony Davis had a breakup breakfast with the Pelicans, and
I said on the air at the time, I said,
it's perfect. It wasn't even a lunch because the longer

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in the day you go, the harder it is to
have a breakup because the later in the day people
get more aggravated and more agitated. You know, you can
have a glass of wine with lunch, you have a
lot of wine with dinner. But it's easy to break
up in the morning. That's why they call it break fast.
It's quick, it's one meal, it's pancakes. It's easy to

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break up with somebody over syrup and waffles. It's very difficult.
Over a pork chop, a salad, a dessert, an entree,
via lens wine dark room, you go to eyehop, Boom,
You're out of a relationship in like nine minutes. It's perfect.
So I said the day it happened, the Pelicans did
him a huge break. They took him to breakfast, not lunch,

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and it's easy to break up at breakfast, and he didn't.
And I'm like, what are you doing, Anthony Davis. You're
becoming what everybody says you are, soft, nice, sweet, but
not an alpha. You got to break up with people.
It's hard, it stinks, it's uncomfortable. But in life, I've
broken up with companies. I've had women break up with me.
I've broken up with people. I've called off friendships. It's stinks,
it's no good. But as a guy, if you want

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to be a leader, you got to have some alpha.
You gotta be comfortable with discomfort. So a week ago,
Anthony Davis has this meeting, this breakfast break fast, and
instead of just going I'm out, the story came out
well they'll continue to have dialogue, and I'm like, you
gotta be kidding me. Well, apparently over the last week,

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maybe they had another breakfast, but Anthony Davis finally told
them I'm out because this breaking story today. The Pelicans
now are listening to trade offers. All that tells you
is a week from the last meeting. Rich Paul and
Anthony's told David Griffin, all right, we had breakfast. Listen,
we love the coffee. Croissans are wonderful. We couldn't break

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up in the moment. But we don't want to be
part of this zon thing. We want to win. And
I think this comes down to something Kendrick Perkins told me.
It's real simple. Anthony Davis doesn't want to rebuild again.
And I don't blame these players. Don't blame Anthony Davis here.
If you live in New Orleans, he gave you seven years.
You couldn't get him good enough, teammates. It's why Lebron

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left Cleveland the first time. Okay, there's a reason the
NBA structure. Financially, players can make more staying with a team.
There's a reason the NBA did that. They want players
to stay. That's why the NBA structure. It'll give guys
an extra guaranteed year. Paul George got an extra guaranteed

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year staying in Oklahoma City instead of going to the Lakers.
The league wants you to stay, but the league also
understands that they're bad owners and bad situations and bad gms.
And the Pelicans have been a mess for you years.
They're NFL people. Before David Griffin got hired, we're running
their NBA team, and Anthony Davis sat there, good soldier,

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played his butt off twenty five thirteen to night. And
then they get a new GM in David Griffin, very competent,
same owners and stuff, and Anthony Davis is like, Okay,
we're gonna get zion, but I don't want to give
you another five years. Look around the NBA right now.
What is Toronto Veterans? Danny Greene, Sergia Baka Kawhi and Leonard,

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Kyle Lowry, Mark Gasol, old guys, Fred Van Vleets one
of the only young guys. What are the Warriors? Draymond Staff,
Clay Boogie. You know, Cavon Looney's a young guy. Iggy.
Veterans win in this league. Veterans have always won in
this league. Yes, Magic won as a young guy. He

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had Kareem. They had a veteran roster, and so Anthony
Davis is doing what Lebron did, what Kevin Durant did. Hey,
Lebron's like Dan Gilbert and my gms can't get me
good players. I'm going to Miami and Kevin Durant said, hey,
you're putting your arms around Westbrook. The first owner I
had in Seattle sold the team and moved me to

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Oklahoma City. And I gave you a bunch of years
and I'm out. And we always beat up on these players.
But Anthony Davis has now said, I don't want to
rebuild again. I got about I got four more peak
years here, I've had some injuries. I don't want to
rebuild again. And so now teams, this is a good
day for Lebron. This is a good day for the
Knicks and Lebron. Now, the Knicks have very good draft picks.

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They have the number three pick in this draft. If
you're the Pelicans, do you say, okay, we're gonna get
Zion with the one. He's a guaranteed twenty point game
very early. RJ. Barrett join, I agree, he's a score.
A lot of people think he's got hardened qualities. I
think he's somewhere between Harden and Rodney Hood. But he's
a twenty point of game score pretty quick in the
m b A. And you just say, I'm gonna take

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these two Duke's Southern kids and we're gonna roll with it.
I gotta be honest with you. That'd be fun. That'd
be fun. I'd like that. I watched Duke play twenty
times last year. These two are gonna be really good
NBA players. They're good kids. Zion's got a magnetism that
is very magic Johnson, very Michael It's. Zion is just
different than any college player I have seen since I

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don't even know magic. I mean, seriously, he's that magnetic,
dynamic talented. So if you're a Laker fan this morning,
you're like, all right, all right, all right, But the
Lakers have better players than the Knicks, and I believe,
actually you could argue better assets than everybody that will

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make a move on him, except Anthony Davis. But I
don't think Anthony Davis wants to play in Boston. He
never put it on his initial list. Chris Hayes just
told of this ten minutes ago. He never put it
on the initial list. So to me, it's pretty clear
Anthony would be a Nick. Anthony would be a Laker.
I do think he would go to Brooklyn, if you know.
He got on the phone and Kyrie Irving said, and

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I believe this to be true. I think Kyrie Irving's
going to Brooklyn. And I do think Anthony Davis would
go to Brooklyn and play with Kyrie Irving because you
wouldn't be rebuilding those two guys that get you into
the playoffs. You know, somewhere between a you know, a
sixth seed and a three seed, Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis,
that's a pretty good team. So now there's another story. Today.
Bill Plashki at the LA Times, very well connected, I

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came out and said people are telling him if the
Lakers do not land a legitimate big time free agent
or somebody through a trade by early in July, he's
out of here or is going to demand a trade now.
Doug Gottlieb came on earlier and said he's not leaving people.

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Doug Gottlieb said this, he doesn't think Lebron will ever leave.
He actually likes it here. I know you kind of
like it here too. He has a child about to
enter into high school. And you know, he's taking his
son out of Brentwood, and now he's gonna move to
Sierra Canyon, which is now the basketball factory of the valley.
And Dwayne Wade's gonna put his kid there, not move.

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When's your kids in high school? You're not moving. It's
just not happening. And and Jeanie Buss would be a
moron financially to trade him. You know, Lebron's obviously the
biggest star in town period in terms of athletes. Here's
where I think it's really interesting. Just consider your David Griffin,

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now your owner, regardless of what you read, would prefer
prefer he doesn't go to the Lakers. They ripped your
organization for about a month straight in January with a
trade deadline mess that. I still contend that the Lakers
can get him, but they'd have to overpay to get him.
They'd have to give up more than say, the Knicks would.

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I think Gail Benson's probably in David Griffins are saying,
make the best deal. Wink, wink, make the best deal.
You know, we've all been in relationships like that. Honey,
my anniversary, it doesn't mean much, my birthday, don't worry
about it. Yeah, it does. What the Lakers have to
do here, they have to win this trade. If it's

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a coin flip, they'll send him somewhere else. And that
begs the question, is Lonzo Ball no longer a Laker
because Zion is going to be a forward? You don't
need two more forwards. You could use Kuzma or brandon Ingram,
So that'll be part of it. The number four pick

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will absolutely be part of it, and probably the Laker's
first round pick next year. You start looking around, I'd
want Lonzo Ball, I'd want brandon Ingram or Kyle Kuzma.
I'd want the four pick and a number one next year.
I'd probably want Josh Hard off the bench. So very

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very interesting. Anthony Davis, the story is out now. Sean
I'm Hiranya has broken the story that Anthony Davis is
on the trade block, which meaning Rich Paul, who's also
Lebronze agent, has told the Pelicans he's not going to
rebuild again. There you go. Very interesting stuff, very exciting stuff.

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What do you make of it? Joy? I think the
whole NBA world's gonna look very different in a few weeks.
I know you think it's a possibility that everyone just
stays put. But I think it's a I think it's
a pot. Well, we know, we know Anthony Davis isn't
his hand put. So that's good. Yeah, that's good. So
we know Anthony Davis, of all the guys, the one
guy we know that's not staying put this morning. Well,
we don't know. They're listening to talks. Maybe they don't

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get anything that they want. I think it's down to
the Knicks, and I think it's down to the Lakers
because I think they want him the most. I don't
buy Boston. I don't think Anthony Davis wants to play there.
I'm not. You know, first of all, Danny Ainge, you
know this. He doesn't like to lose trades. He's like
he has to win every trade. Well, if you give
Jason Tatum up, by the way, another duke guy with Zion,

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then Boston wins it. But would Danny Ainge give up
Jason Tatum? I No, I don't think so. I don't
think that's the question about Boston because Boston's in a
good position for Anthony Davis to go there, even without Kyrie.
But how much else are they going to have to
give up going to look differently. If I don't know
Anthony Davis is going to resign with me, there's no

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way I'm giving up Jason Tatum. There's no way. And
also the Knicks are not really not the best position
for Anthony Davis either. They don't have any players right.
I think it's Lakers Brooklyn, and I think Brooklyn looks
I've been told by somebody I absolutely trust Kyrie is
about a seventy five per center to Brooklyn. He's made

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his mind up. And I don't think Kevin Durant necessarily
would go to Brooklyn. I think Anthony Davis, listen, if
you get Kyrie, you trade him, D'Angelo Russell, bunch of picks.
But the Pelicans now David Griffin listening to teams, the
ones they put down, Knicks, Knats, Lakers, Celtics. Celtics have
the most assets. But I don't think Anthony Davis would

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guarantee them he would stay. And I don't think Danny
Ainge would run with that. I just don't think he would.
I just look at I watch a guy's resume. I
look at Danny's resume. That's not what he does. That's
not what Danny Ainge does. He wants certainty, not finger crossing.
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show forty nine minutes ago. Anthony Davis's preferred destinations Lakers, Knicks, Clippers. Now,

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I've been told the Clippers he is not their number
one free agent. I think Kauai is probably k yes,
So that's what I've been It's not like the Clippers
don't like him, but he's not their number one. Lakers
see him more as a number one. You're Anthony Davis,
which one Lakers, Knicks, Clippers? Which one to you stands

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out that would be a better fit for you as
a six year veteran, twenty five thirteam guy, a big
you know, the West, but the East is weaker. Playing
with Lebron will probably be great that. I think that'd
be a nice deal. I think they need one more piece.
Playing with the Clippers would be fun. That team plays hard, hard, hard,
and now they have a go to and real I

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mean that's no knock on who they've had Allinari in
a sweet lou but they have a bona fide superstar.
Now would be interesting the Knicks to be a part of,
to be the player or a couple players that go
and change that franchise, that that that put your stock
up and changes your life drastically. So those are I
think those are all great choices. We'll have to see

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what happens, though, you know, I'll just throw this out.
The Lakers have gotten some really bad press and there
are doubters if the Clippers can land people because of
their history. Would a team, an owner, a GM want
to be super aggressive and get this deal done? So
it sends the message, Okay, we've got stars. Because if

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the Lakers went out and made a deal for Anthony
Davis and they had to give up Kyle Kuzma, Lonzo Ball,
Josh Harton picks, but it would be Anthony and Lebron
and you would be saying all that negative stuff you've
heard about magic. We have two stars. Then, for all
you free agents who can make choices over the next
ten days, like I think to myself, the Lakers need

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to change the narrative. Right, doesn't a trade change the
narrative immediately? I think it definitely sends the right message.
And even if that's my whole thing with the Laker
situation is say they get a D and then that's
it for this summer. You have to be okay with
that because I think, like you said, that's a great
first step. And then you have to let this fire
burnout because it's a it's a dumpster fire there it is,

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you know what I mean. So you land if you're
lucky enough to land one of these guys this summer,
and it may not even be a D they whether
it be a Jimmy Butler or Bradley Beale. If you're
only able to get one, you have to be cool
with that this year and understand that you're not only
working towards something else, but you're also rebuilding your image
in your brand, you know, I mean, the Lakers aren't
what the Lakers are. There's there's no respect there for
the Lakers anymore, which is crazy. It's funny. I like

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Anthony Davis, let me push back on Biggs. I've never
I think in the current NBA. I want wings and guards.
First of all, Generally, Anthony Davis is a great free
throw shooter. Most I don't trust Latoname. I just don't. Yeah. Secondly,
biggs get hurt early, they get hurt often. I don't
think Anthony is your typical alpha. I think he's he'll

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give you twenty five thirteen. But I think Lebron's more alpha,
and that's okay. And I think that would be an
okay situation for both of them, you know what I mean,
for Lebron to still be the shield, but Anthony Davis
is their go to guy, you know, and it would
save lebronze legs a lot. But I really want to
shout out, you know, Griff over there and know Orleans, Yeah,
you know, I played for him in Phoenix and just

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know him as a guy, A great guy, great basketball mind.
But you have to get rid of Anthony Davis, you know,
especially if you're lucky enough, if it's gonna be Zion,
you don't want to You don't want to start his
run with the cloud over the franchis good point, you
know what I mean. If guys want to be out,
as much as fans may not like it, other people
may like lock it that automatically isn't going to probably
divide the locker room a little bit. So you don't

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want that kind of energy around your locker room, you
know what I mean. So I think for them to
try to hold on to him and all the crazy
stuff they were doing, what's a terrible move, you know.
I mean, he's an amazing talent, but he doesn't want
to be there anymore. And you can say what you
want about that. He just doesn't want to so you
have to move him. And Griffiths coming there and done that,
and now he's opening up, you know, opportunities and letting
people know, Hey, whether it be the Lakers, whoever, we're

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gonna listen to. You know, we're gonna get the most
we can get for him. Do you you know, David Griffin,
do you think he'll go the give me picks and
start over with Zion or do you think he's like,
you know, if you give me a veteran and a pick,
we could be a playoff team. It's tough. It depends
on what they're going for, you know what I mean.
Because I think that's a situation where you're gonna have
to draft very well, you know what I mean. They

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drafted Chris Paul and trying to make run with him.
It didn't work. Ad same situation, but you're not gonna
that market is not gonna attract obviously big time free agents.
So if you're able to get nice pieces in a trade,
and that's how you want to make your run, or
do they want to go like, Okay, we just want
draft picks, and we want to try to really draft
these next two to three years because we see some

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really talented kids coming out. So the Athletic reports that
Lakers next Clippers are as three teams he's interested in.
They also put in Brooklyn, which I think is gonna land,
Kyrie Irving and the Celtics, although I don't know if
a d wants to play there. Matt Barnes joining us.
Let's move to the finals tomorrow. Golden States favored by
six despite the fact they're beat up. I don't worry

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about their offense, But do you worry about this? Clay
is their best defender. There's no way off a hamstring injury.
He's the same defender. Boogie's never been a great He's hurt.
If Katie comes back, He's not healthy. Iggy's they're second
best defender. He's not healthy. Here's my question. I don't
worry about them hitting shots. That's just they. Quinn Cook

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can hit shots, Steph can hit him, Clay Hurt could
hit him, catch and shoot defensively. Golden State's gonna be
a marginal team. It's gonna be interesting. And I think
what's gonna happen now with all these other guys out,
is Kawai's gonna guard Steph a lot? I think so,
or at least down the stretch. You know what I
mean to try to to me right now, and not
that it's going to come down to one on one matchup,

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because these guys may not even match up. But right
now you've got Stephen Kawhi, they're superstars. And then you
go down to Siakam and Draymond Green, and then you
go down to Iggy and Kyle Lowry, and then you
can even take it as far as going to the
bench and having can Quinn Cook neutralize Van Pleet? He
doesn't have to score as much, but can you take

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his effectives away? Can you keep him from getting that
sixteen to eighteen points to getting that team going? He
has to take that defensive challenge. But to me, the
X factor is going to be Boogie. Um. You know,
for him to come out and have the game too,
he had to kind of get his legs back under him,
get a double double with six assists, was able to
protect the basket. Can he consistently continue to do that? Um,

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because he's gonna be need to call you know, called
on more now that Looney went down. You know, ucay
a guy feel terrible. He's played well. Yeah, they really
think he's one of their future pieces. They liked him
a lot, very well throughout the playoffs. Always did what
he was supposed to do, always in the right place, um,
you know. And then and then Bogut. You know, Bogus
is one of those guys who's a proven veteran that
you can sit out, you know, thirty five minutes of

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the game and put him in and he'll still be
effective and do what he has to do. So to me,
the way, the way, the reason why I picked Golden
State is because although Toronto maybe look better on paper,
Golden State has been there and you can tell down
the stretching. In Game two, he experienced the no panic.
We've been here before, We've been down by more we've
been down in a series before. Like all that battle

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testedness is the reason why Milwaukee couldn't get past Toronto.
By the way, tender, When you played for the Warriors
and won a ring, did you ever face a team
in the playoffs you could sense they got anxious in
the playoffs, you could sense they had the pieces because
I feel like Milwaukee froze a little in the headlights.
I felt like in Game two, Toronto froze a little
in the headlights. When you were with the Warriors, did

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you sense teams I don't know if it was sensing
other teams or were just being believing in how confident
and how good we were or they are now like
they just they've been through everything, you know what I mean,
And really they're taking the next man up mentality to
a whole new level, you know. And really hats off
to coach Kurr and in these players, because you think
these guys didn't really play a lot, you know what

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I mean, And they're coming in and playing pivotal minutes
in the finals and doing great jobs on both ends.
And but to me, like I said, with that matchup
back and forth with the guys, I mentioned earlier. All
everyone on Golden State has been there and been successful
at it. They've they've won finals and they've lost finals.
You know, outside of Kawai and Danny Green on Toronto,
I know those guys haven't done it. Sergeibaki, he went

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to the finals and lost in the finals. Yeah. Um,
but like I said, I just think Golden State's experienced.
But if anything can hold them up, it's gonna be
these injuries. By the way, what do you make a
Kawhi buying a house or something in Toronto? That room
or what does that mean to you? I don't think
it makes much Uh, it doesn't make much noise to me.
You know, it was a similar situation where you know,
Katie bought a place in New York, I guess, and
is selling his place in the Baby Wipe. You don't

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know every like all these guys are selling their place
in the Bay because they're gonna have to move to
the other side of the bridge. So just because they're
selling their house on the Oakland side, doesn't you know,
just because Katie sold that house or if that's the
house they're talking about, he would have to sell that
house anyway, Because you're gonna have to move to the
San Francisco side for the new arena. Name. You guys
are all all UNBA guys. You buy houses. That doesn't
happen too, That's what. That's what. That's what. That's what happens.

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You know what I means. So I don't I don't
buy too munch into it. I think these guys, once
the dust settles that everyone's talking about Kati Koi, where
they're gonna go. Where they're gonna go. I think after
the finals and they've had to time to kick their
feet up and realize, and what happened with this season
is when they'll finally decide good Jenia buy good to
be saying, have Barnes joy with the news? No, no,

(01:42:04):
this is the herd line news. So the lawyers have
a couple of injuries they're dealing with, Yeah, couple right now.
They're gonna need contributions from everyone who sees the court,
and especially great games from Steph and Draymond, which is
why the latest Finals MVP odds have step as a
big favorite. He is minus two hundred. Kawhi Leonard at
plus two eighty right now, who's third? Draymond? Raymond Green

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he has played great, has played great. He's like doubled
the player in the playoffs seven seven seven regular season
then thirteen ten and eight and a half postseason. But
Draymond is also he's just perfect for this team. Like
he maybe on another team he would not be as valuable,
or the idea of giving him a max contract would
seem silly. But this would be a sweep by the

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Raptors without Draymond and with all the other injuries going on.
He is so vitally important, especially defensively, Like we keep
talking all day about how important defense is going to
be in this next game. No, this is very truly
your point. He is what they aren't. Like if you
look at New England's receivers, they're all tiny guys, right,
Gronk was what they weren't. Oh good lord, a six

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six guy. That's why when Gronk retired, I'm like, okay,
they got to get and they went and drafted a
big receiver. Dramon is what the Warriors isn't physical, energy, annoying.
He's just enough of what they aren't to balance them.
It works, and that's what you need. Yes, And in
a lot of ways that's kind of throw back to
another series. But that's kind of the Rocket slack, Like

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they have this system and they all kind of fit
into the system, but they need something else to balance
it out. And that's why Dramon is so important. I
do think that if the Warriors end up winning the series,
step Curry is gonna be the finals MVP though. That's
why so heavily favored. So you just talked about this.
Kawhi Leonard has had a great first season in Toronto,
and now there are some rumors. Michael Landsberg of TSNs

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and fifty in Toronto is reported that Kawhi has purchased
proper in Toronto. Now, Matt just said, you know, guys
buy property all the time. Yeah, there are quite a
bit of taxes involved in buying a house in Canada
for an American citizen, right, And we had got leeb
On earlier who said that there is you know, a
lot of people immigrating to Canada, so you know, real

(01:44:19):
estate maybe a premium there. Right now, Well, Toronto's a
global city, right, it's not just a Canadian city. There
are some logical explanations for why he might want to
buy a property. Obviously, Another one is that he's feeling
comfortable and he wants to say or maybe he come
across he came across a you know, a house that
he really loved, and he's thinking about staying, so he
thought he should second drive into the arena. He saw

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a nice rancher, a fixer upper at Bungalow, and he saw,
I just want to you know, I want to do
my carpentry skills with my mass at hands and I
want to fix a house up. Lookause this is part
of this is part of the deal. We just we
look for breadcrumbs, we find that, right, we highlight it,
and then it becomes a whole bakery, and we just
want to know that reality is Kawhi probably doesn't even know.

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Kawhi is focused on right now, on the finals of
being the Warriors. I'm sure he's not talking about his
thoughts about whether he's staying or going the same with
Kevin Durant and everyone else as well. The only people
who are actually thinking about where they're going next season
are the guys who aren't in the finals, right. Anthony
Davis just thinking a lot about where he's going, right, Yeah,
So none of us know anything, especially when it comes
to Kauai. But we're just we're just trying to follow along,

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all right. Finally Cleveland's So, you know, Baker Mayfield's not
been one to shy away from the camera critics, and
he's apparently not shy about talking the same way about
his teammates. So Duke Johnson confirmed to reporters at mini
camp today that the team wants to trade him. So
let's take a listen to Duke and Baker. I understand

(01:45:47):
the nach other business. I'm just saying, you know, his job, well,
John Josy's job is to do what's best for the
team to an organization. And again that's getting rid of
me for a bigger piece and the better piece. Then
I'm okay with it is what it is. It's not
awkward for anybody else who still him. How do you
support him? Do you support him as a teammate then
while he's here, like, how do you go a bad
doing that? He's got to do his job, he said,

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he's a professional. I hope he does his job, so
pretty simple, support him back year old. Oh no, that
was a that was a perfect answer from Baker, and
he feels very tense. He's he's not he's not add
anything extra to it. I mean, he just came out
and said he wanted a trade. Now these rumors, Freddy
Kitchens has said that he wants him there and that

(01:46:30):
he does a good player. Doesn't know where these trade
talks came from. And now the thing that's interesting is
he was behind Nick chob on the depth chart already.
Then they added Kareem Hunt. So Hunt is not going
to be there for a pretty long time. But when
he comes back, that might push Duke Johnson back even further.
And Duke Johnson probably feels like he is a number
one running back somewhere starter and he doesn't feel comfortable

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with his particular situation there, which I'm fine with anyone
who wants to take control of their career do what
you need to do. Can we run the Baker by again, John?
See if you sends tension here? Joy says she didn't
see anything her intuition. Let's let's watch this again. Watch
Baker does. He seemed tense and about ready to erupt.
I understand the nature of the business. I'm just saying,

(01:47:14):
you know, his job. John Does's job is to do
what's best for the team, an organization and again, that's
getting rid of me for a bigger piece than the
better piece than I'm okay with you. It is what
it is. It's not awkward. It's for anybody else who's building.
How do you support it? Do you support him as
a team? And then while he's here, like, how do
you go about doing that? He's got to do his job,
And he said he's a professional. I hope he does

(01:47:35):
his job. That's a pretty good answer. Anytime you say
it's not awkward, it's obviously awkward. Well, I think Baker
gave the right thing, didn't The reporter asked him if
it was going to be awkward. Yeah, yeah, so he
kind of put it out there that it was it
might be awkward. Pretty think it's awkward when someone asked
for a trade. Oh, I don't. I think Duke Johnson

(01:47:56):
has a point. He's like, listen, man, I'm a starting
back for like twenty teams. I'd like to play. I'm
not going to play here, right. The only thing is
is this. This is more Cleveland noise. This they are noise.
I can't argue with you there, it is more. It
is definitely qualifies as noise. Joy with the news. Well,
that's the news, and thanks for stopping the herdline news. Well,

(01:48:20):
I just got a very interesting text. You always do
this right during the show. Yes, okay from a massive
NBA newsmaker. Okay newsmaker as Oh, this is a great source.
This is as good as sources get. Well. He even
he even used an emoji because he knows I like emojis.

(01:48:40):
You're an emoji guy. I like, yeah, emoji. I put
emojis on to add significance. What's your what's your go
to emoji? Uh? Thumbs up, sums up, that's it's pretty
good or fist bump? Okay, So you like you like
to put emphasis on emphasis like my exclamation point. Listen,
I like to be lit. I like to be cool.
You remember the word earlier we learned turned? Yes, what

(01:49:04):
does that mean? What does it mean? Come on, tell
me what's it mean? I mean just like it's similar
to lid. If I think everything's gonna be okay, this
this text is turned. It is a turned text. It's
the emoji. Can you tell emoji is? It's a funny emoji.
It's it's a guy going Oh, it's the shrug, it's

(01:49:26):
the MJ shud. It's the MJ shrug. I will say this.
It's it's in regards to the Anthony Davis story. Let
me think about it. I can't. I don't want to
say something that's inappropriate and I get my source in trouble.
So let me just okay, he generally want to se
when I get turned, I get crazy, I get Kray. Okay.

(01:49:47):
Corey Brewer's around. We never had him on the show before.
Corey Brewer. He was on that Mavericks team that upset
Lebron in the finals. Good defensive player. Corey has been
around the league. He'll be on the show. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Herd week dayson Neon Eastern,
NATY EM Pacific. By the way, this just came down.
Kevin Durant not available to the media today, which would
tell you he's not practicing, which would tell you he's

(01:50:08):
not playing tomorrow. Clay Thompson is scheduled today to talk
to the media, which would tell you he is playing.
So as if Clay can play, I like Golden States chances.
Corey Brewer has played twelve years in the NBA. He
was on the last great college team at Florida. Joe
Kim Noah, yourself, Al Horford. They went back to back titles,

(01:50:29):
played UCLA in both those final fours, and you guys
came back. You were all pros and you came back.
That doesn't happen anymore. Um, why did you come back?
You could have been drafted, you could have made money.
Why did guys come back? We're having too much fun
and just you know, went in championships. Why not chatting

(01:50:50):
winning me as you can. That's why everybody talks about
the worsh win. You're winning. It was fun. Yeah, it
was fun. We're having a plus. Yeah, And that was
to me, that's the last great college basketball team because
NBA guys all came back. You got the veterans, you got,
you had the great coach, Billy Donovan. By the way,
you've played for everybody, and you've played for interesting teams.
You were in Oklahoma City a couple of years ago

(01:51:12):
with Westbrook. You just played on the Lakers. So when
you were on the Lakers, they had Magic and Polinka
and there were rumors it wasn't great. And then in
the end we find out, man, it wasn't great. Did
you sense Corey that it wasn't good? When you were playing.
I wouldn't say I could since it wasn't good, But
I just I just thought it was different, you know.

(01:51:32):
But they were both knew at the job, so they
were buff larying. I thought they were. They were just larying,
like Rob goes from being an agent to being a
president or been the gym. And you know, Magic had
been enjoying his life. You know, he has a lot
of great businesses. So it was just a different dynamic
when I got there. The criticism I have on the
Lakers is I don't know who's calling all the shots.
You've played for well run teams and some dysfunctional teams.

(01:51:57):
I think Oklahoma City's pretty well run team. It's great. Um,
when you played with Houston, I don't remember if they
were well run or not. Were they Darrel Darrel's good Okay,
so you were there with the Darrel yard. Darrel's good
at what he does. Yeah, very smart guy. When you
were with the Lakers this year, listen, did you sense
Lebron's coming in? There's trade rumors? Did you sense at
one point man, there's a lot of noise. Um, I

(01:52:18):
sense there was a lot of noise, But you know,
anytime you can get a town to late Lebron, you
know you have a chance to win. But then at
the trade that line, with all that stuff that went down,
it was a little it was a little weird for
me because those young guys are good kids. So it's
hard to put him in a situation where we're gonna
trade all of you, Like, how do you play basketball
like that? Let's talk about that. What was it like
for young guys? Nineteen year old guy, you're gonna get traded?
What was it like for him? Man? I think it

(01:52:39):
was tough, you know, being a I've been in leave
for twelve years, so I know what it was like
when I was young. And then I also been able
to play with those guys, like I know Brandon, Brandon,
it's a great kid. He's gonna he's gonna be really talented,
um line. So it was a really good kid. Um cool.
All those guys, Josh Hard, all those guys are great kids.
So think about you tell a kid, yeah, we're probably
you probably gonna get traded, you know. So it's like

(01:53:00):
it freaked him out, but we still gotta he still
gotta play. He played your best, but you probably woun't
get traded. I think that was tough on those guys.
You know, um did Lebron. It was a weird team,
a lot of young guys, done, a lot of one
year contract guys. You got crazy Lance JaVale McGee, he
got Lebron. Was it one of the more interesting locker
rooms you'd been in? I wasn't there with those guys.

(01:53:21):
You were there with all those guys now, with those
guys year before, the young kids, year before. So I
think it was, Um, it was interesting. I can I
can only imagine what that locker room was like. But
you know, a guy like Royndo was a great guy.
I think he tucked the young guys under his wing.
He's intense, yeah, but he helps him. I think he
had him go in the right direction. But still, everybody

(01:53:41):
talks about, you know, the Lakers, this Lakers that they
were the fourth seed before Lebron gets hurt. You know,
if Lebron doesn't get hurted, are we still having this conversation.
That's a good point. Yeah, that's what Doug gotlie Bowa
says they were a fourth seed Lebron got hurt. Let
me let me ask you about a couple of things.
Happening right now. So we have a bunch of free
agency stuff. Jimmy Butler could sign and make more money
in Philadelphia, but maybe he doesn't want to live there.

(01:54:03):
Kawai could sign with Toronto and make more guaranteed money.
Take me into the mind of an NBA player. You
guys all know it doesn't last forever. Talk about Paul
George State and okayc over La. Could you give up
a guaranteed thirty million dollars a year? Personally, in no way,
But I know those guys are on supermass contracts, like

(01:54:26):
money's crazy. But I think it's about the situation those
guys want to be in, Like, what situation do you
want to be in? Because they have their choice, they're
gonna be a superstar. So what situation do you want
to be in? What mattered Corey Brewer joining us? What
matter do you the most? If I said winning or money?
And by the way, don't feel guilty about either. I
always feel like when you're young, you want the money,

(01:54:47):
and then you're old you want to win because you
got your money. If I said to you the two
or three things as a free agent that matter, do
you does the coach matter, Does the city matter? Do
the taxes matter? For me? It was a situation, it
would be like the team the winning. I wanted to
win always just because you know, you go to college,
you went to a national championships, Like, you know what
it's like to win. You still want to win. Um,

(01:55:08):
i'd say, you know, money's great, like you said when
you're young. When I was young, I wanted to get paid.
So once I got my first contract or too, bout
your house you're good, Yeah, you're good. It's all about now.
I want to be in a good situation where I'm happy.
You want to play for a team you're happy playing with,
You want to be in a city you're happy. Um,
what do you make of You have this dynasty in
Golden State. They're all beat up. It's like it's like

(01:55:29):
a lot of dynasty's corey. They're falling apart. They probably
have one more big punch in them. Um. I kind
of feel like Golden State will just sort of figure
out a way to win. In the last several years,
you've faced this Golden State team. What we all know
they can shoot? What what tell me what it's like
to play a dynasty? They're confidence their players. What is

(01:55:51):
underrated about them and the confidence. I think the confidence
is the biggest thing for those guys. They feel like
they're they're always gonna win, so they're never out of
the game. So you can be up twenty going into
the fourth and they feel like Steph makes a couple
of threes, or if Clay makes a cup of three,
we're gonna win anyways. And I think when you got
that type of confidence, it's tough to lose. You're a
known as a guy that played real defense. You're a

(01:56:12):
very good defensive player. If you ever get matched up
on Clay Thompson, what's he like to guard? He's so
tough because he's always moving and the way the way
he can shoot, he's a catch and shoot. Yeah, the
way he can shoot, and he doesn't take him long
to get out of his hand. So for me, I
just try to stay in his pocket. But if he
catches the ball and he has the chance of going
in whenever he shoots it wherever he shoot. You ever

(01:56:33):
get matched up on staff yeah a lot, and they
talk about guarding staff man. I just try to keep
the ball out of his hand because, like I said,
if Steph gets the ball, in his hand. He's gonna
get screens or he's gonna run off screens, and it's
just tough. What do you make of Golden States like
thirty two and two when Kevin Durant doesn't play. Now,
a lot of people say they're not better, but the

(01:56:55):
offense is different. Yeah, they're not better, but it's different.
So they're good. They're great win Kevin plays, they're great
when he doesn't play because they know how to jist
like God, step up. Draymond Green's a fascinating player. In
the regular season he averages seven seven, seven, then his
numbers all double for the playoffs. To you when you're

(01:57:16):
on the floor with Draymond Green, what does he provide
for them? What makes him special? I mean he's the
heart and soul of the same. Do you think so? Yeah,
of course he plays. He plays so hard and all
the little things he does that don't show up in
the boy square. He's taking charges, he's gotten the best players.
He's rotating defensively, he pushes the pace when he rebounds.

(01:57:36):
He knows those guys can shoot, so he can pass.
So he's like the point forward. He's just he makes
them go. I want to go back to the Lakers.
The story today is Anthony Davis and his agent Rich Paul.
I think Anthony Davis has the power here because Anthony
Davis reportedly wants to play for the Lakers, Knicks, or Clippers.
He's not interested in Boston. So let me just ask you.

(01:57:59):
If you and the Lakers today and you want to
get Lebron a second player, and the Pelicans said, okay,
we want Lonzo, Kuzma and Ingram and you said, no, no, no,
I getta keep one. You're not you don't get all three.
I'll give your draft picks. If you were the Lakers
and had to keep one of the guys for the

(01:58:23):
next seven eight years, of the young guys, which one
would you? Again, Pelicans want all of them. You're running
the Lakers. You gotta keep one. Who would you keep
going forward with Lebron? You get Anthony Davis. So that's
a tough one. You know. I'm a huge Kuzuman Ingram fan.

(01:58:44):
I love Linzo two. But if you got to keep one,
you already have Lebron, you bring Anthony Davis. I'm gonna
keep Linzo just because you need somebody to pass. You
need a point layer for those two guys. Somebody had
to get Anthony Davis the boss. Somebody has to get
Lebron the ball. You know, Brandon is gonna be great,
but he needs the ball because he can really score. Inclusman,
he's a score That's what they do. By the way,

(01:59:06):
Paul George stayed in Okay, see instead of going to
the Lakers because of something you told him. What was it?
Everybody keeps saying it. I didn't really tell him anything
I did. He asked me questions. I asked, Okay, what
did he ask you? That's a long time ago. I
don't even remember. Corey, Corey, Corey. I need an answer, Corey,
give me an answer, Corey, what did you did You
talk about money a little bit. I'm saying, if it's

(01:59:29):
forty five million, fifty million, if you're happy here, why
would you give up fifty million? That's crazy. I think
it's crazy. Kids. You know, person, I got kids too.
Another forty fifty millions a lot of money. Yeah, especially
in Okay. See, you can eat at Applebee's virtually every
night of the week. Every night you can enjoy every
night of the week. Corey. Good luck to you. Jamal McGee.

(01:59:51):
By the way, it's on our show, I'm told tomorrow
and then. And also, the Cleveland Browns are officially making noise.
I just heard more of Baker Mayfield. Holy Molly, Corey
Gray meeting you. We'll see you tomorrow in La. It's
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