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be and however you may be listening live in Los
Angeles iHeartRadio, Fox Sports Radio and FS one. Joy Taylor
and I both took some time off last week. We
are back in the fold and ready to go. On
a Monday. It is officially Joy football season, is it not.
It is good morning Collin morning Joy. It is great
to have you back. I had so many people come
up to me over my week off and say, Joy Taylor,

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I love her on the show. She's such a great edition.
Just gotta give you that love for them, And you
said that's calling. Yes, thank you people who said that
to me. So let me start with this. So I'm
watching television last night. I'm sitting there in bed and
I'm watching television. I got one of those little little devices.
It's kind of complicated. It used to be ahead of remote, ABCNBCCBS, Fox.
How's that? And then cable came along. You got five

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hundred channels. Now I got another device, gives me Amazon Prime.
I got Netflix, it got a show Time, I got Hulu.
I got a bunch of these things, right, I got.
I got more channels than I've ever had in my life.
And everybody's always knocking television. It's dumb. You're better to
read books. Not not really, no, not really. It is
the best time in the history of the world in
America to watch television. I mean, you can binge watch,

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you get political shows, you get sports, every game, every sport, politics, opinions, cable, broadcast.
It's incredible. Everybody wants to complain about stuff. I've sitting
there last night and I'm thinking, They've never never been
a moment in my life where I got to choose
what I want to watch. I can watch docs, independence,
i can watch movies, I can watch shows. I'm watching

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British stuff two nights ago. I never had access to
that British stuff. And I had a British mom who
would have watched British TV. I didn't have access to that,
and I'm watching football over the last week when I'm
on vacation, and I'm like, Andrew Luck plays tonight, Lamar
Jackson's playing tonight, and one of them has already been
established is pretty good, and the other one is exciting.
He could be good. And I'm thinking, we do we

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kind of get what's going on now in football. Like
the last week, I've been watching all these puppies play.
Baker Mayfield's like, you know, twenty years old, and Sam Darnold,
Josh Rosen, and I'm watching all these guys play, and
Lamar Jackson and the kid up, Josh Allen and Buffalo,
and I'm thinking to myself, Holy God, think about what
we have in the league right now. We have five

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Hall of famers and all of them still have years left.
Brady Breese, Ben Rogers, Russell Wilson. Don't argue he is
five Hall of Famers with a lot of years left.
We have four guys who will get Hall of Fame votes.
Eli A lot of people think he'll get in. Cam Newton,
I criticize him. MVP all time great running quarterback, still

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has five years left. He's gonna get votes. Matt Ryan
five six years left at this pace gonna get votes,
and Philip Rivers gonna get a lot of votes. So
we're nine in for absolute Hall of Famers and certainly
with a lot of years left, gonna get votes. Oh wait,
oh wait, there's three more guys that are three of

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the most talented guys I've ever watched. They're just coming
off injuries. Carson Wentz, Deshaun Watson and Andrew Luck. And
if I said, with any of them seven more years
of their best football, they would be Hall of Famers. Okay,
do the math. Now, five four, I'm twelve in. That's

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forty percent of the league. Then there's three other guys
right now who have shown us in this now league
where having an offensive coach with the rule changes joy
really elevates you. There's three other guys who at their
best so far have blown us away. Goth McVay, Shanahan,
Garoppolo I've never lost together, and Derek Carr and John

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Gruden if he can get it ramped up here after
taking a decade off. I'm at fifteen. That's half the league.
That's half the league. Is a Hall of Famer, will
get votes. Spectacular Hall of Fame talent off An injury,
and three young guys who look like their Hall of

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Fame talents with the coaches they're aligned with. I'm not
even counting anybody in this draft class. And if you
look at the history of draft classes, when five quarterbacks
go in the first round, one's gonna pop, not five
or four, but at least one and probably two pop.
And if they get the right coach, eight nine years
stretch their Hall of famers. I sit around and I

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watched this stuff Andrew luck tonight, Lamar Jackson, Baltimore, Indianapolis,
and I'm watching football, and I'm thinking between the rules,
the coaching, the spacing, the quarterback camps, the seven on
seven stuff at the high school level, the spread offense
in college football, We've never had a time this good.
I go back to an era that everybody always talks about.

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Alway Marino. Oh the eighties, late eighties. All right, you
had Alway and Marino, and you had Joe Montana, you
had Jim Kelly and Warren Moon. Those five guys were
good Hall of Fame guys. Yeah, the drop off, got
it dropped off. You gotta do a bunch of Phil
Simms stuff. I liked Phil Sims. His Son's on today
in an hour, but you didn't have layer after layer

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after layer. We got fifteen guys in this league that
are Hall of famers, will get votes Hall of Fame,
talent off injury, and three guys that look like it
could be really, really special. That's half the league. And
I'm not counting this rookie class where I've said I
think Darnold's going to be a fifteen year Andrew Luck

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level if he can stay healthy starter in the National
Football League. Sometimes you gotta take a deep breath, stay
off social media, appreciate how much good we have TV
or quarterbacks. Let me shift to this, speaking of young quarterbacks,
I watch Sam Darnold. He's pretty good. And here's what
I hear all the time. You know, there's an old

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saying among guys. You want to date a pretty girl,
got to ask her out. She's not gonna come up
to you. She's not gonna come up to you. Want
to you want to date a pretty girl, you gotta
go up to he and say I want to have
a coffee and then maybe glass of wine second date,
and maybe she likes you. Just don't drool on yourself.

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Maybe you have a shot, but you got to ask
her out, meaning you gotta have a little courage, and
you have to be willing to make a mistake, and
you have to be willing to embarrass yourself. Okay, Sam
Darnold's gonna throw interceptions. Who cares? You want to play
it safe and never leave your hometown. Marry your high
school sweetheart, nothing wrong with that. There's a world out

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there of opportunity. You're gonna fall flat on your ars.
Brett Farve's the old time leader in interceptions. Peyton Manning
is the all time NFL rookie leader in interceptions by
year fourty still through twenty three. Ben Roethlisberger twenty three
is a rookie. Eli Manning interception machine. Drew Brees, Joe Namath,

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Terry Bradshaw, folks who gives a rip to date the
pretty girl? You gotta ask her out. Peyton Manning was
a turnover machine. So was Brett Farve, so as brother
Eli Breeze throws a lot. You want to know who
doesn't throw interceptions Number one and two in the league
last year, Tyrod Taylor and Alex Smith, they both got traded.

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What is my knock on? Dak Prescott? I call him,
dink and dak underneath, underneath, underneath, underneath, underneath, stretch the
field all time quarterback interceptions leaders. The minute Peyton Manning
gets inducted into the Hall of Fame seven to ten,
seven and are the all time interception leaders. They take

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a chance. Those guys in Silicon Valley weren't born there.
They move there. You talk to anybody who's an angel investor,
they have whiffed. Ashton Kutcher's the guy in Hollywood that
he's an angel investor. One hundred grand for this, two
hundred grand for this, a million for this. He's hit
two home runs, he's whipped on twenty. Who cares if
guys throw picks? DeShawn Watson had two games last year,

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remember this, joy I think one was Seattle, one was
New England and everybody was like, okay, Deshaun Watson's amazing,
officially amazing. He threw five interceptions in those two games.
What time out? You're upset that Darnold threw one pick
in the preseason. He threw five picks in the games.
You fell in love with him, So what take chances?

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Roll the dice? Askar out. Put money on a company
that has very little chance to succeed, but could hit
a home run. Gotta take chances. I've always said one
of the most important things about a quarterback is a
short memory. You can't be paralyzed by asking a girl
out and she just says not interested. All right, who's next?

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You're a hook, there's a sea fish. Take a chance,
roll the dice. Go. It's okay with Sam. Darnold's gonna
throw twenty picks this year. If he starts, he's gonna
fumble seven times, and that means he's throwing them all
down the field. He's a little electric, a little reckless.
But guess what, you know what he's doing. He's taking chances.
Do you want Tyrod Taylor? He got Buffalo to the playoffs.

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They got rid of him. You want Alex Smith, he
got Kansas City of the Plaoffs. They got rid of him.
Dak Prescott I like him, by the way. I criticized
Cam Newton all the time, right everybody, Oh you hate Cam.
You know what, I never criticized him about joy I
never rip his interceptions. Now I ripped the fact there's
a receiver four feet from him and he sails it
over his head. I ripped the fact that his emotional

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roller coaster and his play consistent. He is all over
the map. You've never heard me rip Cam because he
throws a pick. Who I could care less. I get
that body, I get those legs, I got that arm. Baby.
He reminds me a lot of Terry Bradshaw. Bradshaw threw
a lot of picks. Can't I never rip Camp for picks?
I rip him because I don't know what Moody's in
half to half and he can't hit Christian McCaffrey on

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a swing pass out of the backfield and sails it
over his head. Yes, Sam, Donald's gonna throw picks, lots
of them. Isn't the preseason where you want him to
throw those picks. This is literally the best time of
the year for him to be throwing picks. Throw it
down the field. Let's go ask her out angel investor.

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People get all worked up on this stuff. What I
don't want. We're so excited calling do what I don't
like is safe. Hey, Lakers went after Lebron, They went
after Paul George. One said no, one said, yeah, they're
pretty good today. They put it out there, Paul George,
We're interested lebron were interested. By the way they put
it out there. Kawhi, we're interested, all right, I'm all

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good with it. They hit they one for one, one
for two solution. Yes, by the way, they were all public,
did they weren't covert, they didn't hide it. They're like, yeah,
those two leak stories, we like them. I think they're
okay today with that aggressive nature and put it out there.
All right. Good to have you in. You know, I
saw I watched Baker Mayfield over the weekend. I got

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some thoughts on that. A lot of fun football to watch.
We got more tonight. We're officially in football season. Joy's
back and uh, whether you like it or not, I'm back.
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five minutes from now. Where Colin was right, Where Colin

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was wrong. So I got a lot of people saying,
Colin Baker Mayfield, what do you think he owned you
on your show? In your face. He looks like he's
amazing and I thought to myself, he looks like I
thought Baker Mayfield would look like an accurate thrower. The
football moves around pretty well, little frantic at times, small
which he was bigger. But the issue with Baker isn't

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whether he's accurate enough and good enough to plan the NFL.
I've always said he is. I've never joys been here.
I have never once said he's a bust. He can
absolutely play that he throws too accurate of football. The
three NFL gms that I regularly tweet all thought of
him as an NFL quarterback most early second round late
first did not think he was the first or second

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best quarterback in the draft, but thought he was a
very competent quarterback with a lower ceiling than all the
fanboys think. But my question with Baker is he's going
to have more to overcome When I think, and this
is what I mean by it. When I watched Cleveland,
because I actually like some of their players, I picked
him to be six and ten. I don't think it's
far fetched to think they could be eight and eight
if they stayed healthy and they stay on plan. They

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start Tyrod and then maybe around Thanksgiving they give Baker
a shot. But you got to remember the AFC North
is like a big family, and it has been forever.
The Steelers are the very successful father of this family.
They've created generational wealth. They've evolved brilliantly. They've got a
college wing named after him. They're still very sharp as

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they've aged. They own their own company. It's been fifty
years of quality products, the Steelers. Baltimore is the successful
son of that father. He'll always be in dad's shadow,
but he's had some real success on his own. He's
built a very strong Brandon family. There have been ups
and downs. More volatile than Pittsburgh perhaps, but tough minded

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and mostly dependable, quality year and year out. Cincinnati is
the less successful son of the father of the Steelers,
sort of the redheaded son. Disciplinary issues. They always die
in the spotlight. The Bengals, even when they have talent.
They're all for seven in the wild card round their
last seven times in the playoffs. Every time they're in

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a big game Monday night, Sunday night playoff game, they shrink.
They're kind of the redheaded, less successful son of the Steelers.
The more successful son of the Steelers is Baltimore. And then,
of course there's Cleveland that is the loser's son of
the loser son of the father. They're just too far

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removed from good DNA. They're incompetent, bizarrely low self esteem,
constant chaos, multiple marriages, kids are in trouble. They're in trouble.
So that's what this division is. It's no shot. But
I got a forty fifty year history of the family
called the AFC North. And there's the successful dad the Steelers,

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his really successful son, always living in Dad's shadow, but
has made his own brand. Baltimore, the less successful son
of the Steelers, the redheaded stepchild of the division. Had
opportunities but just can't, can't rise in the moment like
the successful Cincinnati. And then Cincinnati had a son. His

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name is Cleveland, and he's just a mess, too far
removed from good Dad, DNA or something. So it's not
that I don't think Baker has talent. I've never said
he's a bust, but man, he's got a lot to overcome.
Mike Ben Roethlisberger comes in this league inherits the Rooneys,
he inherits Cower. Then he gets Tomlin, He's got hines Ward,

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He's got Antonio Brown. He's got good offensive line. He
got Lavian Bell, he's got good game day income. They're
well funded there, they get free agents, they draft well.
That to me, the AFC North is the most predictable
family in the last forty fifty years in this league.
And so even if Baker's good enough to play, and

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he clearly is, he's got a lot to overcome. Joey
Taylor with the news, No, no turn on the news.
This is the herd line news. So over the weekends,
Jason Witten made his broadcasting debut for the Jets and
Washington and during his breakdown of Sam Darnold prior to
the game, Witton compared the rookie quarterback to none other

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than his old teammates Tony Romo. Sick. Listen, we saw
the Sam Donald performers not only in last week's game,
but even in practice. The talk of the town everywhere
we went was about Sam Darnold. And I gotta tell you,
after watching some of these plays, he does remind me
a bit of a young Tony Romo. Yeah. I think
he's I think he will be physically more durable. He's

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a thicker kid, but he plays a little like Tony,
which is he's gonna he's gonna throw some picks. He
can at times play like Tony did, a little too
fast and a little too reckless. But you know we've
said during Aaron Rodgers Peak, the closest prototype to Aaron
Rodgers was Tony Romo, smart, good feet, good arm. Darnold's

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got a lot of Romo. I think he's bigger, straight.
I think he's a stronger, more durable version of Tony Romo.
Not to take a shot, but I'm sure that Jets
fans hope that he has a little bit of a
higher ceiling than Tony row Yeah, I think he does.
That's a fair to say from number three in the
drafting on drafted season. Yes, So, the Buffalo Bills are
not happy about a block by Jarvis Landry during Friday's

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preseason game against the Browns. Landry lit up cornerback to
Ron Johnson with this huge block, and Micah Hyde stuck
up for Johnson on Sunday and said lander block was dirty.
At the sound of this, No, I don't care if
you if he loved the shoulder or not. He's coming
all the way from number one. By the past, the

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numbers and flying down into onto the hashes and just
cleaning up somebody. That's the same. That's the same as
I played that. Uh, Aaron Williams got hit on a
couple of years back and and basically roomed his career.
Um to me, that's that's that's bs. You can't do that. Now,
this hit was tough. Did you see this hit? I
did not did Jarvis put on him? So I did
watch the game Aaron Williams that they hit the Jarvis

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put on Aaron Williams did actually end his Oh yeah
yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So the problem with
this is for me, it is a tough hit and
according to the new rules, it's going to be I mean,
it's obviously a penalty, but here you can see a
little bit. That's a little shot. Yeah, So, I mean
the problem is, if you're gonna penalize the defense for

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hits like that, you kind of have to do it
under offenses. This is a really good point, Joy, is
that when I watched all these hits, if a running
back puts his head down, what is a safety supposed
to do? Like the flag goes up immediately. I got
news for you. When you do a swing pass to
Nick Chubb of the Browns. Right, Okay, you've seen what

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Nick Chubb looks like with a shirt off. Okay, that
guy's two thirty five and he's running downhill and I'm
a safety and I weigh two o eight. What is
a safety supposed to do? By the way, if the
safety goes for his legs, takes him out and rips
up a knee, that guy's career could be all. Well,
that's kind of the issue with the helmet rule, Like
they're trying to make it safer, and I we want
the game to be safer, but the problem is in

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the NFL, the game is played so fast with giant
humans it's literally impossible to change. You tell me the
direction of your body and half a second OA. So
I'm Richard Sherman. I'm a veteran corner, right, and there
is a running back coming after me, and I'm Richard Sherman,
and I by the way, I've already had knee issues,

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and I'm I'm worried about my knees, right, I'm sensitive
to knees on me and other players. How does Richard
Sherman tackle a Nick Chubb in the flat with his arms?
I mean it doesn't work that way. You're just going
to have to take the risk of getting the penalty
and tackle the only way that you know how it's
it's for most of these players, I imagine it's too
far into their career. You have to you have to.

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Maybe with younger players coming up, there's a way to
teach them to tackle differently. But if you're if you're
someone like Richard Sherman, I don't know how you change
how you tackle. It's it's going to be interesting this
year to see how it goes because they're already seeing
some of these penalties and in the preseason causing problem. Finally,
Nick Saban is coming off his sixth national championship. Yes
and one isn't impressed. In a recent's Candid Coaches installment

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from CBS Sports, one coach voted Saban as the sports
most overrated coach. He said, if you count cheating and
getting the best players in the country as part of
running a program, he's the best in the country. It's
like saying an NFL coach is the best coach in
the league if he gets twenty five first round picks
every year. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Do
you know. Do you know why Nick saban By the way,

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all Alabama coaches haven't been successful. Okay, the reason he
gets all those great players, he didn't get him in
his first two years at Alabama. He started getting him
by year three, four, five, six. That's a loser coach.
It is such a loser. And by the way, stop
with the cheating. Alabama has been doing this for a decade.
If old Miss was cheating, Hugh Freeze got nabbed. If

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you are cheating in the SEC, somebody in Mississippi, ol
Miss wasn't even a threat and they got nabbed. If Alabama,
everybody's trying to knock Alabama, Are you gonna tell me
ten years and there's not one bit of proof. I'm
not talking internet loser proof. I'm talking about like oh Miss,
where we have payments. Right, You've got to get over that.

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This is the best dynasty in the history college football.
It's boring. I don't think it helps the sport. I
think the sport's becoming crea seemingly regional. I think it's
getting way too southern. That's why the emergence of the
Big Ten in the last couple of years with urban
and hardball and Paul Chris and Franklin's really good for
the sport. But this is just some loser guy who
doesn't get what it takes to be great. Nick Saban

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did not get the best players his first couple of
years at Alabama. It was about year three and four
when they started hitting powerball. This. Uh, well, we can
we can poke fun at this person because they've chosen
to remain anonymous, But if you're gonna call out someone
for cheating, please bother to have proof. They's just say, oh,
he's just cheating. It's the same thing that people say
about Golden State. Well, it's so unfair. They're just good everybody.

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It's so unfair cheating by the way people, it's such
a loser Todd, But don't you're just upset that they're
better than you and you can't be They're coming out
anonymously calling people cheaters and then talking about he has
the best players. Maybe he's a great recruiter. Maybe he's
just a better recruiter than you, Maybe he works harder.
I mean, think about this. USC got caught by the
NC double A. Oklahoma has been caught by the NC

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double A. We have a history of Ohio State, Terrell
Prior getting caught, Penn State. We have all these powers
Auburn that have been caught before. Right, so Alabama, if
they're cheating, will get caught. You can't be this can
We can both be wrong, but that doesn't matter at
this point. Don't come out and say somebody's cheating and
that's why they're better than you. And he gets all
the best players. Maybe all the best players want to

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go there because they know they're going to go to
the NFL. Listen to this, Listen, we want to hear
a true story. Here's I've never said this on the
air before. When Nick, I have any great source on this.
When Nick Saban took over Alabama, I'm not blaming anybody.
They had a major steroid problem. When Nick Saban took
over Alabama, Nick Saban tested all the players. Twenty eight

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of them tested positive for steroids. A year year later
one did and they kicked him out. Nick Saban took
over a program that had a major steroid issue. I
was told by a source in the South and that
Nick like clean that crap up quick. He said, you
want to get bigger or harder. But that's something that
I a source I trust, a great source. They had

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a major steroid issue on camp. By the way, they
weren't the only one. There's a lot of steroid stuff
going on ten years ago in college football, fifteen years ago.
People just hate greatness. That's what it is. That's what
it is. Joy Taylor with the news, Well that's the news,
and thanks for stopping by the Herdline News. So Darryl
Moorey's a really smart guy. He went to M I

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T M I T is not MIT. It's I think
it's the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Only smart people can
get in. If I if I sent my resume, my
high school resume to MT, it wouldn't have gotten It
would have been dumped in the garbage can before the
admissions office. This is like the smartest people in the

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world go to MT. Darryl Moorey went to MT. Daryl
Morey's the GM of the Rockets and early adapter with
a three point He created the Sloan Analytics Conference in
Massachusetts Boston every summer. It is really the brain conference
of sports. All the smart people in NFL, NBA, baseball, soccer, hockey,
they all go to it. So um, he's talking this week,

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he's on the Dan Patrick Show and he's talking about
MJ and Lebron and he said something that we've said
on the show before, but people, mythology is a very
powerful thing. He was talking about MJ and Lebron. You
just look at his ability to you know, generate wins
and championship probability over time and basically break that down.
And obviously you don't have to, you don't need all

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the numbers. You can watch as well and see that.
But but if you if you basically isolate that and
also look at the career he's had, you know, frankly,
I think it's at this point it's become a bit
of a big margin actually where he's come out ahead.
I know that's a little controversial bey on, but it's
not really that close. There's three athletes in my life
that I had this incredible mythology about them. One is

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Brett Farve, the Great Game on Monday Night when his
dad died, Wrangler Jeans, y'all. Farv is the most popular
NFL player of my lifetime. I'm not saying the best,
the most popular. There's this bubble around him. The second
in baseball was Nolan Ryan of the seventy seven Hall

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of Fame pitchers. He's seventy second in win lost percentage.
But he was Paul Bunyan. He threw the ball really hard.
First got to throw it regularly, over one hundred miles
an hour. Seven no hitters. Nolan Ryan was a very
inconsistent lead major League Baseball in walks eight times. He
was not great. He had nights, he was unhittable, but
he was not consistently great. So Brett Farve, Nolan Ryan,

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and the third is Michael Jordan. Now Jordan's better than
Nolan Ryan and Brett Farve, but Darryl Moorey smarter than
all of us. Here is into analytics. Analytics are a
magnifying glass on sports and business and Wall Street. They're
a magnifying glass. I've always said this. If Michael played
today with Twitter every night, every game's on TV now,

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not just highlights, not just ESPN highlights. You watched Michael
and then responded directly to Michael, you took shots at Michael.
You wouldn't like Michael as much, and he would be
a lot like Westbrook. You'd be like, oh my god,
does he miss a lot of three pointers? Oh my God,
he is great but hard to play with. Oh my god,

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did you just see he's three for twelve on three
pointers tonight. I'm not saying Michael Jordan wouldn't be great.
That's not what I'm saying. He's better than Farven, better
than Nolan Ryan. But because night, he was the first
athlete in America to have a massive shoe campaign. You know,
Larry Burden, Magic had their shoe deals. Michael's went global
and that created a popularity force field that you can't penetrate.

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Michael Jackson and Music had this. Michael was weird, but
there was this force field to popularity you could not
penetrate with criticism. We see this a lot with celebrities.
I've never seen it in sports close to Michael Jordan.
Lebron's got a shoot deal too, but he's been doing
a lot of things beyond the shoot deal. Michael Early
was great and it was doing more for shoot deals
than title seven. Eight years into the league. And when

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you get the magnifying glass and you really look at
Nolan Ryan and you really look at Brett Farve, Aaron
Rodgers is significantly better than Brett Farve. When you take
out the analytics sorry if that hurts your feelings, Sorry
if Aaron's not as likable date celebrities. Kind of cool, California,
a little bit aloof, a little bit cocky. He's significantly

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better than Brett Farve. He's better at the line of scrimmage.
He's more cerebral, he's got as good or better feet
and frankly, a quicker release, and he's more coachable. Not
always the most coachable, but more coachable. Michael's great, don't
get me wrong, but when you put the magnifying glass
on Lebron he just does a lot more at a
much higher level than Michael Jordan. He is a better passer,

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he is a better ball handler, He is bigger, he
is stronger. He shoots three balls better. That's not even disputable. Now,
Michael led the world in mid range jumpers like Westbrook.
You can't stop Westbrook at the basket. And Westbrook's great
from twelve, but you push him out to twenty two,
and what do you say about Westbrook. This is why
Michael Jordan loves Westbrook, because Michael Jordan had a lot

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of Westbrook hard to play with, never ever a great
three point shooter, and he keeps flinging him up there.
The difference is Westbrook's never had Phil Jackson and a
teammate that perfectly fits him, like Scottie Pippen. Good stuff.
Doug Gottlieb is around the corner when car shopping. Why

(28:48):
don't you consider Geico? They've been doing it for seventy
five years. Pretty simple to know how to save your
money Geico dot com. Joy Taylor is joining me in
a Monday and the guy that filled in for me
last week. I suspect most of the days I was
in Canada got workable TVs, but I wasn't watching him
that much. My buddy Doug Gottlieb after me on Fox
Sports Radio. Come on out, dugger Chris Sims today, Dean Blandino,
Rob Ryan the dugger. By the way, Sam, this is

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that Bill Parcels years ago. There's a kind of a
legendary story. Chris Simms is on top of the hour,
but there's a legendary story about Bill Parcels with Phil
Simms and that he would dogiment practice and go oh oh,
you went to ten for twelve to day at practice. Congratulations.
You may want to throw the ball down the field
and Parcels wanted Phil Simms to be more aggressive, and
Bill said, you want to win in this league, you

(29:33):
can't do it on fourteen play drives. You gotta throw
the ball at the top. I think I know what
Sam Darnold's gonna look like this year. I think he's
gonna have twenty one picks, six fumbles and be hella
exciting and have a little farv and a little luck.
And I'm totally okay with that. Right, did you say
hella exciting? Yeah? Are you you spend up in northern
California where they say hella and every other sentence? Is

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that what you did? Well? Canada? Aser? The thing about interceptions,
and I heard your opening rant coming in by the way, Joy,
good morning to you. Morning mission, but a mission the
last couple of days, but glad you got a long weekend. Um.
The thing about interceptions is this, obviously turn No, there's
no greater determinant to who wins and who loses in

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any sport. Didn't turnover? Didn't then turnover? Right? Um? But
quarterbacks are used this cliche, but it is in fact true.
Every turnover, every interception has a story in and of itself, right, right,
And what I found to be most interesting in Sam Rome.
And I do think that he is ready ish as
ready as as he could be. I think um is

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that that when he was asked after the game about
how he played, he didn't actually mention the interception. Yeah,
because that's not that big a deal. What was a
bigger deal was he took a sack in the red zone. Yeah.
You can't take saxon red zones. You can't throw interceptions
in red zones. Member Matt Ryan the year before the
MVP season had a run of interceptions in the red zone.
That was a big problem. Can't have those. My issue

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is starting Sam Donald actually has nothing to do with
Sam Donald. It's his offensive line. It's awful, awful, it's awful,
and he doesn't have a particularly good running game. Some
of that is the offensive line. Some of that is
I dare you to name two names in that offensive backfield.
He doesn't have a tight end who's a safety weapon. Yeah.
I think his wide receivers are okay, and I understand
that being able to call out the protections, being able

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to keep your eyes downfield processing all this information as
everything's going on around you. He's doing at a better
clip than many expected. I just you and I are
old enough to have been doing this when David Carr
was a disaster because he was under duress in Houston,
and I just I worry. I also realize, Hey, Teddy

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Bridgewater is the talk of front offices in the National
Football League because he was a starter and if his
knees sound, he looks like he could be a starter again.
Do you sits Teddy Bridgewater and just gloss over him,
let him sit there, keep him and then trade him
for a second or third or do you roll the dice,
play him and then maybe somebody else's quarterback goes down

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and you'd trade him for a first year I sat
with an NFL assistant coach Friday, had a beer with him,
and I said, what could you get for Teddy Bridgewater?
And this is a very smart guy, and he said,
starting right tackle and a draft pick. And if I'm
the Jets and I can get a starting right tackle
and a third round pick, that's another offensive line, you're

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on your way, right. So that that's my kind of
working philosophy is is like, look, if Sam Donald is
as good as you and I think he is, the
Jets think he is, and most people in the NFL.
He can be there for ten years, right, So do
you play him right away? Do you know? I think
they're going to play him right away. It doesn't matter.
But my fear is you play him right away, you
run the risk of him getting hurt. And you could
promote Teddy Bridgewater at some point start Josh McCown played

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Teddy Bridgewater in those first three games, and then maybe
maybe get a first round pick, probably get a second
round pick or a third round pick, and a player
for him. That's a Jets team that just doesn't have
enough overall town to ever live up to what Sam
Donald has. And they're building for next year. Remember they
have ninety million dollars or more in cat space in

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the coming year. They're setting themselves up for the future.
Don't hurt the future by rushing Sam Donald right now.
By the way, there are certain things that are gateways
to success. Since Ronald Reagan, twelve of the twenty I
forget what it is if you go back a certain time.
Twelve of the last not since Reagan, twelve of the
last twenty presidents have gone to Ivy League, Duke or Stanford.

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If you're eighteen years old and have political ambitions and
you're really smart. Ivy League, Stanford Duke, it's a pretty
good pat Now you can go to El Camino JC,
you can go to Panera State College. You can go
to Eastern Washington University, you can go to Fullerton State.
Richard Nixon went to Whittier back in the time. Used
to be military. Gotcha. But if you start looking at
schools attended by president the last five presidents, Yale, Yale, Yale, Harvard, Penn, Okay,

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it's pretty good. Right. There's something in the NFC when
it comes to the AFC, NFC North of their eleven
Super bowls, Bradshaw huge arm, big Ben huge arm, five
huge arm, Flacco, huge arm, Aaron Rodgers huge arm. And
by the way, Dilfer and McMahon won in that division North.
They were thick guy, not great arms, but big, thick guys.

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When I watch Baker, I see Colton McCoy, I see
I see a better Colton McCoy, I see Cody Kessler.
My takeaway is, if you'll look at the Northern Division
of football like the IVY League for presidents, shouldn't they
just have drafted Josh Allen the kids six five two
Fortyan's got an arm. He does and it's one year, right,
And it's because not only does Cleveland play outdoors, but

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so does Cincinnati, just sads Pittsburgh, sows Baltimore, okay, and
it is a factor. I mean, one of the reasons
Drew Brees has been as good as he has been
in New Orleans is he plays indoors for eight games
a year, make it nine counting Atlantic. Yeah, okay. And
then of course, look you still got Tampa, which isn't indoors,
but at least it's warm. Aaron Peyton Manning, who had

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troubles always had never threw a great spiral, never had
a great arm, INDI in a dome. And then of
course went to Denver, where your ball gets some extra
bounce because you're playing in altitude. So there is something
too the big armed guy. And frankly, Cleveland had an
opportunity there to red shirt Josh Allen because if you
ask NFL people, they'll say, look, we think Josh Allen

(35:16):
could be a player, but his the hit rate's going
to be higher the more he sits and learns. That's
what I told they had to Rod Taylor there by
the way, since you've been gone. We've changed the pronunciation
from Tyrod to Tarrod. That happened one week when you're
in Canada. That's the thing. They could have had Josh
Allen at four, Yes, they could have had him at four.
But here's here's what they ran into, okay, because they

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had passed on a quarterback at one overall the previous year.
Carson wentz that they they felt compelled to go and
then they picked the wrong guy. I would still would
have taken Sam Darold, but yes, Josh Allen would have
bit a better fit. The one thing that that Baker
does fit is Baker has this. I've been told no, right,

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I've been told though, I get more out of myself
than anyone ever. He is a former two time walk off. Yes,
and he does fit the everyone still laughing and snickering
at Cleveland, Yes, right, And so he does fit the
mentality of the culture that they want to build. Ye.
So that part I get, yes, And he does vow you.
And he does have a microprocess football but he does

(36:23):
have a super high IQ football brain. But he's just
he's not Russell Wilson athletically nor arm strength wise. And
I think that's what they're reaching for. By the way, um,
let me just say this. We it's football season. But
Darryl Moorey's a smart guy. He's like, analytically, Lebron's better
than Michael Jordan. Why do you have a problem with that?
He didn't say analytically, He went with wind shares. Do

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you know how they calculate wind shares? Huh? Would? First
of all, your age actually plays a factor, which is
ironic because they don't take the factor in the age
of the competition you're playing against. It also is basically
a statistical formula. It does form wins and losses, but
there's a lot in terms of your stats. My problem
is that, look, if you want to take analytics, isn't PR.

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Isn't player efficiency rating and incredibly important, maybe the most
important even that I'm you know, okay, so you're suspect
of that analytics, but not not wind shares, because if
you take PR, Jordan has the greatest PRY and they
were second, Lebron his second, his third, Shack is actually third.

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Will Chamberlain is fourth, I believe. So again, analytics have
a value there, yes, okay, but so does six titles.
And then he gave away a year in his problem.
My theory on this though, that Jordan would still be great,
that there's no he's relentless. Yes, he would be. There's
a lot of Westbrook in him, where if he was

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playing today with Twitter and you could react every shot,
you'd be like, hey, dude, you can't shoot three. Stop,
Hey Michael, you have teammates. Pass with Michael. It ended well,
so it was great, but we do live. Obama was
the first president to on a daily basis get the vile.
Now Trump sees it every day, some of it self induced.
But Twitter would have been rough by the way. Hold on,

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hold on. First, First of all, let's he couldn't shoot
a three. Well, he actually did evolve into becoming a
very good jump shooter shooter second of all, and three
point shooters statistically. Okay, second of all, the idea that
he couldn't shoot at three, you have Al Horford is
a good three point shooter now as a center. Right.
It's Steph Curry told me this once. One of the

(38:32):
reasons that guys shoot threes so much more fluidly now
and so much easiers. He's never stepped on a basketball floor.
They didn't have a three point line right. That wasn't
the case for Michael Jordan. But if you don't think
that Michael Jordan, who led the league in scoring ten
straight years, when you could bully people when there's two
guys in the lane, he couldn't shoot early in his career,
but there was a power forward in the center in lane,
guys that aren't there now that he led the league

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in scoring in ten straight years, he wouldn't evolve into
a better three point shooter. And yet centers nowadays could
have evolve into three point shooters. Come on, you're kidding ourselves.
Of course he could have evolved with the times. But
think about led the league is scoring ten straight years,
thirty seconds and you could handshake. They couldn't hand check.
But by the way, the hand checking thing works both ways.
He was also called a great defensive player. He couldn't

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stay in front of anybody now, no doubt, no health
of the fact. He can play bullyball. Yes, Look, it's
like quarterbacks. The stats are greater points, rebounds, assist because
there's greater pace of play, more three point shots, less
people in the lane. I think Jordan would have been fine.
I prefer Jordan to Lebron Good stuff. His name is
Doug Gottlieb. Joey Taylor here for the first hour, still loaded,
Chris Sims, Dean Blandino, What in the world's going on

(39:38):
with a helmet rule? After my show on sports Radio
Fox Sports Radio, go over to Doug Gottlieb show, Colin Right,
Colin Wrong. Next. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Herd week days and noon Easter nine am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeart Radio app.
This is The Herd Hour two. Wherever you may be

(39:59):
and however you may be listening live in Los Angeles iHeartRadio,
Fox Sports Radio on FS one. Joey Taylor is joining
me on this Monday. We are back tonight. We get
Andrew Luck of the Colts. Got a new head coach,
Frank Wright from Philadelphia. We have Lamar Jackson Baltimore so far,
Joe Flaccos look good, by the way, the other guy
that's look good. Nobody's talking about Sam Bradford for Arizona's

(40:20):
look very good. Everybody loves Josh Rosen, Everybody loves Lamar Jackson,
Flacco and Bradford. These old guys that looked pretty good.
So yeah, Chris Sims in five minutes, eight years in
the NFL. Texas, Dad, Phil Simms, we do it every
Monday at this time. Where Colin was right, where Colin
was wrong. Over the last couple of weeks, here we
go where Colin was right. Okay, I said, one of

(40:41):
the teams in the NFL that everybody thinks is just
gonna make the next step to win the Super Bowl
is Minnesota. They were thirteen and three last year. Everybody
loves the Vikings, and I said, no, no, no no, no, no, no, no,
they're gonna pull back. It's two reasons. Number one, they
have a new offensive coordinator and that takes time. Number
two is they were bizarrely healthy last year on dfense. Well,
what do you know this weekend they had six injuries,

(41:05):
three on defense, some season ending. I'm sorry, but a
lot about this sport is just good luck and defensively,
schedule coordinators. They got a lot of things going for
him last year. Now they got injuries. We still have
the biggest preseason game to come. We got sixteen regular

(41:25):
season games. Green Bay is better. We already know they
won't be as healthy defensively as last year. And we
haven't even gotten the biggest preseason game yet where Colin
was raw. It would have not surprised me if you
would have told me that Rob Gronkowski. Gronk came into
the NFL body yacht with his brothers and wasted all
his money drinking bud light instead. According to a recent story,

(41:52):
New England Patriot teammates now go to Gronk for financial advice. Yes,
Gronk has become the Pat's poster boy with Brady for
financial smarts. In a million years, I would have never
guessed that Gronk would become the Warren Buffett of the NFL.
He has reportedly never spent a dollar of his earnings.

(42:15):
He still wears high school clothes around town good luck,
and he lives no flashy purchases, lives off his endorsement money.
Gotta be honest with you, that's a shocker to me.
Gronks father's a successful businessman and he put it in

(42:35):
all of the Suns to make sure they take care
of their money. So I whipped on that one where
Colin was right sat a couple of years ago. Keep
your eye in Jacoby Brisette. He's big, he's tallikin movie.
He's got a good arm. Bill Parcels loves him, and
I said, he just hasn't been given the opportunity. But
this guy is a second round talent. He is either
the best backup in the league or he's a starter

(42:55):
somewhere in this league. I really like him. Well, what
do you know? Pro Football Talk reported the sex offered
a second round pick for him. They like him too.
Remember Jimmy Garoppolo went for a second round pick. Who
was on the air for three years saying Garoppolo's a
starter in this league. He went for a second round pick.
I have been saying for years Jacoby Brissette hasn't had

(43:16):
the right coach and the right opportunity. Well, Seattle, it's
interesting why they would go after him because they have
Russell Wilson. Maybe they feared Russell Wilson getting hurt with
that offensive line. He runs around a lot. Pro Football
Talk reports, Yeah, Seattle considers him an elite quarterback prospect,
like a Garoppolo, who also went for a second rounder
where Colin was raw. It's early, but of all the

(43:38):
quarterbacks drafted in the first round, Josh Allen at Buffalo
to me at the biggest whiff potential. I watched him
at Wyoming. He was an overstrider. He was inaccurate in
that conference. You gotta get Buffalo coaches credit. He no
longer overstrides. He's cleaned it up. He has been the
shock of the five first round draft pick. Everybody else

(44:00):
has sort of looked like you think. Lamar Jackson looks
a little anxious, a little overwhelmed. Darnald looks good but
a little reckless. Baker Mayfield small and accurate, runs around.
He'll make it in this league. Josh Rosen tows the
beautiful football. Josh Allen has been shockingly good. I think
he'll start Week one. And you got to give Buffalo's
coaching staffs from credit here. He had crappy mechanics in college.

(44:24):
I've watched him now play twice. They have completely cleaned
him up, and he looks like he could be Give
him time now, but he is. He throws the ball
with real accuracy. Always throw it was zip. Now he's
an accurate thrower. A couple of months with his coaching
staff where Colin was right. We predicted a couple of
weeks ago, Twitter was going to explode when the NFL

(44:46):
came out in the preseason and called a Ton overofficiated
helmet rule hits, and an official came out on TV
and said, they're gonna overcall this so they can collect
the database. And they're gonna collect the database, so then
you're going to go in before the season starts and say,
all right, here's all these calls. Yay, nay, good bad. Well,
what do you know? Twitter's exploding, the worlds can't get

(45:09):
over itself. Everybody's freaking out about all these folks. It's
what we told you is going to happen. If your
company you work at says today, in an hour, we're
gonna have a fire alarm, and then there's a fire
alarm and you're screaming down the hallway, you're an idiot.
The NFL told us we're going to overcall this for
a month, collect all the data and all the footage,

(45:31):
then go back shrink what we call a helmet rule
in fraction, we're all gonna be okay here, guys, we're
all gonna be okay. Where Colin was raw, I'm anti
golf guy. If I interview you for a job on
any show I've ever done, I always try to fool
you and go, oh you love I love golf. Do
you love golf? And if you say, oh, I love golf,
I'm on pgatour dot com all day, I don't hire you.

(45:54):
Golf side tracks you. Golf becomes a fascination. You're on
Internet all day, You're playing golf, scheduling going to Scotland
right in the middle of the football season. I'm an
anti golf guy. I am not a golf guy. Oh,
that's why it distracts people. Well, I'm wrong. Steph Curry
has proved that you can be great at golf and
other stuff. Steph Curry says this weekend the Timberwolves didn't

(46:17):
draft him because he told him how much he liked
golf and how he was fascinated with it, and the
Minnesota GM at the time said, well, if you like golf,
you're not gonna play much in Minnesota and you're gonna
be miserable here. See, it had better go somewhere that
you can actually play some golf. So Steph Curry is
great at something and is great at golf, which I
didn't think it was possible. No, Minnesota, Really they made

(46:39):
the right choice there. Huh ye, Flynn, I think who
they picked you ever noticed Roger Federer, Nick Saban, the
New England Patriots, Yukon women's basketball. Serena Williams didn't create
their own nicknames. I've always had a theory when you
start giving yourself a nickname a little too early. Eurowas

(46:59):
toast legion of Boom. Yeah, that thing's over. Love City, Yeah,
that thing's over. You know it's not over. Serena Williams
nick Saban Patriot Spurs dynasty, by the way, Jacksonville for
the first time and forever is decent. And what did
they do? Joy They gave themselves a nickname Saxonville. Well,

(47:21):
what do you know, Jaalen or Ramsey came out this
weekend and ripped everybody, said Josh Allen at Buffalo's trash
Garoppolo's all schemes, Dak Prescott isn't the leader of that team.
Joe Flacco socks, Matt Ryan's overrated, and Andrew Luck isn't
very good. Oh great, Often teams you'll be playing and
you put a big target on your back. But my bad,

(47:42):
you've got a cool nickname, Saxonville. You know who doesn't Alabama?
Serena Federer where Colin was right? Finally, Daryl Morey Houston,
gm MIT Sloan Analytics Conference finally came out and said

(48:02):
what everybody's petrified to say. I know you're land locked
on this six for six thing, but analytically, analytics are
a magnifying glass to the truth. Lebron's better than MJ
six for six, six for six, six for six. Bill
Russell's got eleven, Robert or He's got seven, Casey Jones
has like eight or nine? Can you stop with a

(48:23):
six for six. Here's another number, points, rebounds, assists, finals, appearances.
Those numbers all favor Lebron. Darryl Morey came out and
said it's actually, analytically not even that close. For the record,
Lebron has five more years minimum. All right, here we go.

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If you have the Coward Global Satellite Network, eight years
in the NFL. All right, Chris Simms, you've been a
young quarterback. You know the pressure, you you know your
dad's a legend in New York. Let's talk Sam Darnold.
Would you start in week one if you're the Jets, Yes,
hands down, I would start him. I've heard some of

(49:05):
the things you've said about Sam Darnold, and I agree
with a lot of the things you've said about him.
First of all, I've been around him, and just on
a personal level, his personality can handle the New York
City environment. He is very flat line, can be like
Phil Sims or Eli Manning, where it's never too high
or never too low. So yes, I would start him.

(49:25):
And you know, I know the Jets aren't going to
the super Bowl this year. We know that, so get
on with it. The NFL, the quarterback position, it's so
hard for practice to emulate seventy thousand fans, the coach
in your ear. Oh and Von Miller's trying to rip
off your head for real. The only way you can
get used to that is getting out there on the field.

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And I think he's looked pretty good so far in
the preseason. I would start him if I'm the Jets.
By the way, Chris sometimes and I'm guilty of this,
we forget what kind of college coaching you had. You know,
Marcus Mariota had Chip Kelly, and then he goes to
the NFL and his coach is already fired. Is that
when I watched Josh Allen at Wyoming and how bad
his mechanics got. Didn I watch him with his Buffalo

(50:07):
staff I'm like time out, like this kid with better coaching.
He was an over strider. He was wild. I watched
him this weekend. I gotta I gotta be honest, Chris.
I think I was way wrong on this kid. I
think a lot of people were wrong. I'm not gonna
sit there and point at you personally. I'd like to
take a few jabs at you, but I won't. I mean,

(50:30):
he is he's a big time talent, and you know
the things you saw in college, they were concerning. Certainly,
there's no doubt about it, but you do have to
take into the full scope of protection the environment, and
he played in which was in the blizzard. Sometimes his
team was not capable of competing against some of the
other teams he played. He had no big time receivers.
But it's always easier to teach the home run hitter

(50:53):
how to hit singles than it is the singles hit
or to hit home runs. And that's what Josh Allen is.
He's a phenomenal athlete. I really give credit to, like
you've said, the Bill's coaching staff and Jordan Palmer. Jordan Palmer,
we saw a Senior Bowl combine. The mechanics were starting
to clean up little by little. But I'm with you.
I think he's been the most impressive rookie quarterback to
this point. Just the pure physical ability is jaw dropping

(51:16):
at times with his arm, and then his ability to
escape the pocket, break tackles and turn the corner. I
think he's turned the corner more than any of other
of these rookie quarterbacks, even more than Lamar Jackson. But
I've been super impressed, and like Sam Darnold, I think
he has the personality again to be a starter. I'm
so sick of hearing, oh, we don't want to ruin
him as a rookie quarterback. Well, if he gets ruined

(51:38):
four games in the year of his rookie season, then
he's not your quarterback in the future anyways, right, So
get him out there, get him playing, and let's move
on and try to get him those reps. Yeah, you
sound like Joey Taylor. She's always saying Colin, if he's good,
he's good. You can have a bad album, just you know.
I mean, Drew Brees had a bumpy start. Guys have
had bumping over overcome it. Now. I will say this

(51:58):
with Baker Mayfield. I've never thought he's gonna be a bust.
I think the ceiling's way lower than everybody else thinks.
But if you're if you're the Browns, and I actually
think they have a good offensive line, run blocking line,
they have a good slot receiver, they got some pass rushers.
I actually think they're not the Jets where they have
no old line. They could help him a little. Would
you go with Baker or would you go with Tyrod

(52:19):
to Thanksgiving? I look at their schedule, Boy, it's really
rough early Chris, you could put Baker to the Wolves.
What do you do with that? Yeah, it is a
tough decision. The Browns are a little bit of a
different scenario. I always air on telling you, let's get
the quarterback out there. If he looks good in the preseason,
physically capable like Baker Mayfield has, if he's understanding the offense,

(52:40):
which it looks like he does to this point, I
always err on saying let's get the rookie out there.
Like you said, Drew Brees, he hit a few bumps
in the road. Peyton Mannings rookie year was nothing great,
but I know a second year he went thirteen and
three and was the number one seed. In the AFC playoffs.
So I do want to say play Baker. But the
Browns have also been one in thirty one, and they
are trying to create a new culture there and winning culture.

(53:02):
They're trying to get some vetter in leadership. That's why
they bring in a Tyrod Taylor and a Jarvis Landry.
The defense is real, the offensive line is real as well,
and they should be able to run the ball to
help out whatever quarterback it is. I just look at
it right now and go man. If Baker Mayfield plays
another good game preseason game number three, in preseason game
number four, wow, it's gonna be hard to stop that

(53:23):
Cleveland fan base from really clamoring to get him out there.
And what are they gonna do? You know, Are they
going to go to the playoffs with a Tyrod Taylor
and then abandoned ship. I don't think so. Again, I
think if he is an understanding of the playbook and
you feel like he's mentally capable of going out there
in the field, I would start him too. Tyrod Taylor
is a good player, but I don't think he's the

(53:44):
future of the franchise. I think he's a guy that
you know, manages an offense, takes care of the football,
and makes a play from time to time. But I
do think Baker Mayfield's potential is better than a Tyrod Taylor.
By the way Andrew Luck plays tonight, I said he
went eleven and five, eleven and five, eleven and five
with a hideous offensive line and no running game and
a defensive minded coach. I think he's gonna rebound. We're

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gonna get six seven great years of him. How talk
about injuries? Because you played Tampa Bay five years, you
played for Denver, you played for Tennessee, and you got
banged around a little when you're coming off an injury.
How hard is it for Andrew Luck in quarterbacks to
not hear footsteps now post injury? Yeah? Right, yeah. I
mean he's a superstar and that's why he's Andrew Luck.

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And that's why I'm Chris Sims sitting here talking to you.
But he is fearless, I'll say, coming off injury. The
speed of the game. You always hear that, right, The
game slows down For the guys that are really comfortable,
Brady Aaron Rodgers, they see the game in slow motion.
I know when I came back from injury, and I
was out of football for over a year as well.
I felt like it was like it was just chaos

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at first. It took me a while to get used
to the people around me in the pocket, the speed
of the receivers. Once again, Andrew Luck being the naturally is.
He looked pretty damn impressive last week at against Seattle,
and I look for things like, you know what, did
his mechanics look like? Were they any different? Did the
ball pop out of his hands with you know, less velocity,
less spiral on it? All those things, it looked like

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the old Andrew Luck to me. I thought it was
a good start. And I do think people have forgotten
that Andrew Luck was, without a doubt one of the
five best quarterbacks in the sport, or at least in
that conversation before this injury. Yes, and I do think
he will get back to that form. With Frank Reich
now there and that offense that fits his skill set.
They're building an offensive line finally, and I think we'll
see the return of Andrew Luck in a big way.

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I think he's gonna show Jalen Ramsey who he is
a little bit. NBC Bleacher Report, NFL analyst convince your
dad he can come on our show too. We'd love
to have him. Chris, it is great seeing you. Thanks Colin,
I appreciate it. Man. You'll get dad on here for
you for sure, all right. Thanks Chris Sims good stuff
NFL eight years played at Texas, knows his stuff and
agrees with me. And he agrees with Joy Taylor that

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just throw the kids. Throw him in the pool. That's
Taylor and a swift. Just throw him in. Literally everything
he's sad about Sam Donald, you could apply to the Browns.
I gotta tell you. I will say this though, is
if you look at the bust rate on first round
quarterbacks last five years, it's going down. There were moments

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where all of them look good. I mean like there
were times with Baker. I'm like, you know, he moves away.
I always knew he'd moved well, and he throws well.
I'm like, you know, Baker could play in the NFL
and win games right now, I don't. I don't think
he's as big or as strong as Donald or the ceiling.
He didn't throw a ball as pretty as Josh Rose,
and he's not as fast as Lamar. He's certainly not
as big as Josh Allen. But yeah, I'm telling you,
I'm watching all these young quarterbacks, none of them. Lamar

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looked a little overwhelmed first week, but by the second week,
second game, you're like, he's a little more comfortable. We're
not gonna go five for five. But the bust rate
on first round quarterbacks fifteen years agoing today. I don't
know all these guys have looked. I know it's preseason,
but preseason does show you one thing, overwhelmed. It doesn't

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show you a ton But Dak Prescott was not overwhelmed.
Overwhelms what I'm because I've seen guys and you're like,
oh God, they're just out of there. They're absolutely petrified.
All these guys, Lamar was the only one in by
week two you're like, all right, he's pretty comfortable. He
feels pretty good about this. That's fun. The NFL preseason

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Terms and conditions apply. Baker Mayfield, I'll say this as
a consumer. I'm a viewer. He's fascinating. Like a very
few people get me to a TV. Beyond going to
a TV to watch games. Baker Mayfield totally in. Again,
that doesn't That doesn't matter to a GM, It doesn't
matter to a head coach. It matters to an owner.
They like to fill seats. You know, Bryce Harper is

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gonna fill more butts and seats than Trout. Mike Trout's
probably the better player. But Baker Mayfield fascinating. He's like
Johnny Manzel with talent. Yes what he is? Oh then
he went to the right place right, Yes he did.
And by the way, so Tom Brady plays the Eagles
this past week and like through the ball twenty six times.
Everybody's like, I'm like, god, he is sticking at Philaelphia. No,

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not really. It's the ABC's of why Tom Brady through
the ball twenty six times? A He wasn't an OTA's
b New England's wide receiver corps is changing by the week,
and see his best receivers out for a month. This
is not about Tom Brady holding a broad grudge. This
isn't revenge. This is Tom Brady trying to learn people's names.

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Since April third. We're gonna use a scroll here, since
April third, when they traded Brandon Cooks to the Rams.
Now I'm gonna I'm gonna all these These are the
transactions New England's made in their wide receiving cores. I'm
not even gonna try to read them. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven,

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twelve were they haven't made a move in about a week.
Malcolm Mitchell got released at its signed Eric Decker. I
don't I don't think this is a revenge thing. This
is a stick at to Philadelphia thing. Right now, New
England's two most reliable receivers in the first month of
the season because Edelman's out, are Gronk, who's averaging ten

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and a half games a year, and receiver James White,
who's a running back but a very good receiver. That's it.
So you've got an offensive line they're rebuilding. You've got
a weird chemistry Gronk's often hurt. Edelman's out for a month,
and you've made twelve moves since April third. You know,

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people bang on Alas's wide receivers, but Cole Beasley will
be available week one, and people bang on Seattle's wide receivers.
But Doug Baldwin's pretty good and he'll be available week one.
They're not going to have Julian Edelman for the first month.
This is a mess. Brady no OTAs Brady new guys
trying to learn names. That's why he's planning this much.

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To me, it's it's you know, Tom's not a guy
into grudges. Why don't you go to the eight Super Bowls?
You're not really a grudge guy anymore. Joy Taylor with
the news. No, no, the this is the herd Line news.
So Broncos fans, we're not pleased to see Paxson Lynch
enter Saturday's preseason game against the Bears. The Denver crowd

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food Lynch and when he ended the game is the
third stringer behind Case Case Keenum and Chad Kelly. And
here's Ben's Joseph on that moment. Well, I feel bad
for Paxson, you know, but our fans want to win,
and that's that's what it's about. It's about pattle, about passion,
I should say, but um, you know, I feel bad
for Paxson, but he he has to ignore it and

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go play. It's professional football, you know, almost going to
hold your hand, so he has to go out there
and perform, you know, a bus Because I do feel
bad for him, but I also like when fans have standards. Yes,
so you know, it sounds kind of stupid, like you're
going there and you're booing someone on your own team.
But they want to win. They have a tradition of

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excellence like they don't. They don't want to settle for
what's what's not great, and it's it's it's tough that
Xan's in that spot, but it's proposed. If it's college,
I feel differently. Well, if that was my son, I
would break my heart. Of course, I wouldn't go to
games if that was my son. Okay, I couldn't watch
my son being booed. I just wouldn't go to the
I'd watch on TV or up in the some booth

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somewhere and avoid the fans. Here's the other thing. I'm
not a booer I've never gone to a sporting event
and booed, so it's hard for me. John knows this.
We've talked about this before. I have never ever ever
gone in my life and done this at a game
boo oh. But I've never said that. I don't even
say that word on Halloween. I mean, so, I don't.

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I don't feel comfortable saying I've never done that. I'm positive,
are you a Boer? Not my own team? I don't
believe in doing my own team. I've yelled SOPs before.
It's a little different, you know, Like, I definitely the
other teams. I'm not a boer or a taunter, and
I have I will say this. I've gone to an
NBA game and knowing a player knows who I am,

(01:02:29):
been giving them crap, like funny crap. You're not You're like,
you're you're kind of a kind trash chalker though, Yeah, no,
I'm I'm like I like I yell at Chris Paul,
keep investing in mutual funds. I give advice and wisdom.
I don't like to be a very just jacting. Hey,
I feel I feel like the normal fan booing stuff

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is easier to ignore your savings rates a little low.
That's like, you know, I get them. Yeah, yeah, I get.
I can't say as well, I've been a well behaved
you I speak. You're a First of all, you're a muralist,
so you're an artist. So I can tell you right now.
Oh oh, well, you know when there are part of

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people out there, I would agree with that you're an artist.
H So that I'm not an artist? Oh yeah, I am,
I am, I am. Yes. So Lebron doesn't play in
Cleveland anymore, but he still apparently believes in the Browns.
He answered a tweet from the eight piece Tom Withers,
who asks can the Browns handle Jarvis Landry, Antonio Callaway,
Josh Gordon, and Dez Bryant. Lebron responded, yes they can

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and more signed to change the culture, which the head
coach has been doing, and bringing in players that can
win games and make plays helps. Why not? Well, first
of all, Lebron James a Cowboys fan. Yeah, um, so
I understand that that doesn't mean he can't pay attention
to other teams obviously, because you know, don't you're I
don't know that you're a particular fan of any team,
But I can be a fan and talked about other teams,

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but he is a Cowboys fan. Second of all, you know,
when you have a Lebron on your team, it's a
little easier to bring in some big personalities, and they
have some off the field or off the court issues.
Right It's not exactly how it's been established with the
Browns as of yet, but I do get what he's saying.
And also I don't think that's bringing Bryan would really
be a problem. I think you can bring in a
diva if you have a like like Pittsburgh's got a

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veteran coach, veteran quarterback, I can roll the dice if
I you know, now they have plenty of good receivers.
But I would roll the dice if you have a
veteran coach, a good family, good ownership. But if you're
if you're like Tampa right now, is Jamis Winston running
the show, dirt Cutters on the hot seat, then I'm
not rolling the dice. But if I have a Belichick,
Brady and Matt Ryan dan Quinn roll the dice, and

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a guy like Cleveland's now rolling dice in about three
of them, That's what I'd worry about. Because Jarvis Landry's
not exactly quiet either. No, he's a talker. No, But
I mean you can have You're always going to have
big personalities on your team. And I think that's what
makes the Browns interesting is this year. On top of that,
they have Baker Mayfield and the quarterback situation with Tyrod Taylor.
It's just more of establishing a win culture than it

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is establishing a culture where you can balance personalities. Finally,
despite the addition of Kevin Durant, Steph Curry is obviously
still the face of the Warrior's organization. It's weird to
think of Steph Curry sitting up for another team, But
the good news is step completely agrees, he explained to
Bill Simmons, who asked if he wanted to be a
Warrior for life. For sure. I do, yeah, And this
is home. This is where I want to be for

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obvious reasons. I love the Barrier, man. I actually the
only reason I go home now is if my sister's
getting married, or to go play the Hornets for that
one that one game. So I haven't really been back much,
but I haven't really my mind there. We've talked a
lot about some of the changes that could come to
the Warriors the next couple of years of play. Thompson's father, Michael,
based some similar comments. Recently, he said, you can market

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down Clay is going to retire in the Warriors uniform.
He's going to play at Chase Center, and he's not
going to be if he's not going to be at
the Chase Center as a visiting player, he's going to
be a Warrior for the next seven or eight years.
It always felt it does feel like to me if
anybody was going to leave, it would be Durant, who's
a little bit emotionally able to wander, and Draymond Green
at some point is going to become too expensive for

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his skill set. I think there's despite what his father says,
I do think there's a chance Clay could could leave. Also,
I don't know Clays it's very underappreciated. Oh my, I know.
But you know it doesn't bother him, not not by
the team and not by the fans. I'm just saying
in general, but I don't think it bothers him. Now.
It bothers me that I'm overlooked now some people it

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bothers you know. I got a chip on my shoulder.
Clay Thompson's got great self esteem, great dad, great families, consistent,
but he just does you know, he's not some crazy
uh you know, Ego run a mock. He's he's I
think he and Steph stay forever. You you're talking about
dads were pros, raised, good good dad, good home, no

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self esteem. They're not just they're just dudes right there.
They don't there's no win for them to leave a dynasty.
Draymond Green may look up in a couple of years
and they're like, Draymond, we're not paying you twenty two
million a year to be the bouncer in the club,
like and that I think makes total sense. And I
love Draymond, but there is a point with his skill set.
You're like, dude, you're not much of a shooter. And

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we lost a rant to somebody, then I think Draymond
could be in trouble. Joy Taylor with the news, Well
that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd line.
You know, I was singing about this watching Baker Mayfield.
I'm not anti Baker. I told you before I wouldn't
have drafted him number one because I believe that because
of that City and that northern climate Cleveland, Cincinnati, Baltimore, Pittsburgh,

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or the NFC North, Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, Green Bay. You
need a big, strong guy. And I was saying this.
Fourteen of the last twenty presidents and the last five
all went to the Ivy League. If you want to
be presidents, there's a pathway to success. Go to the
Ivy leaguer Stanford, right, or maybe Duke in the NFL.
If you look at the AFC nor in the NFC North.

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When I'm watching Baker Mayfield, I'm not doubting that Baker
Mayfield in August can look really good. But you start
adding up the Super Bowls in AFC and NFC North
history since Terry Bradshaw, and there's eleven, and nine of
the eleven had bizarrely unique arm strength. And the two
that didn't McMahon Dilford were big, thick dudes, like built

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for the winter, like bears. It is hard. I've seen Cleveland, Draft,
Colt McCoy, Cody Kessler, Baker Mayfield, that can work in
a dome, that can work in Arizona, that can work
in Atlanta, that can work in Carolina. You get to
these northern climates. Man October, it's raining, November, it's raining sideways, December, January.
I'm not anti. I'm just saying they passed on Carson Wentz,

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they passed on Sam Donald, they passed on Josh Allen.
I like in cold climates, big strong arm quarterback Matt
Ryan is not the same guy if he's playing in
Green Bay, Aaron Rodgers, that ball cuts through that wind,
that bought Josh Rosen's gonna work in Arizona. I wouldn't
like Josh Rosen in Pittsburgh. Your climate matters. This is

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not like the NBA. We're indoors. And I think that's
one of my things about Baker is if Josh Allen hits,
that's gonna be a bad look that that is not
going to be a great look for Cleveland. If they
passed on Wentz, Darnold, and Josh Allen bigger, stronger guys,
because I don't doubt Baker can succeed. But he looks
small and he didn't have a big need, not a
big old arm. And it's the North and we have

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a former senior vice president of officiating. We've got a
new issue in NFL officiating and like the catch rule,

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it's driving people, especially on social media, absolutely insane. And
with that Dean bland Dino, Fox, NFL and college football
rules analysts. All right, so we got to start with one.
This is the one where the Internet imploded, exploded whatever,
it ploded something. Here we go. It's Minnesota. This was
called as is rough in the passer or something, and

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people went nuts. Here it is Dean, what do you
make of it? So there's always an officiating controversy right,
So this is a point of emphasis. Hasn't been spoken
about that much. But what they don't want is they
don't want defenders lifting and driving the quarterback to the
ground and landing on him with his full by any

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that said, this play to me is not not necessarily
a foul. Looks like he lands more off to the side.
There is a little bit of you know, they use
oomph as kind of a term, so there's a little
bit of oomp. But I would say that that is
probably right on the edge, and it looks like he
lands off more to the side than with his full

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body weight. So it's not that's not the helmet thing.
That is not the helmet thing. That is a foul
that has always been on the books. You can't drive
the quarterback to the ground and land on him with
your full body weight. But it is a point of
emphasis because what they are seeing is a lot of
these injuries shoulders, collarbones, Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers are happening
on those types of plays. Now, is it possible that

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they just want to collect data and they're overofficiating now
that these games don't count. So I have no problem
with an official saying, guys, over officiate this call tonight,
and then we'll collect a database and then we'll sit
down in eight days before the season and get it right.
Is itsible they're doing that, That's exactly what they're doing
the preseason. If you look at the preseason foul numbers,

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they're always higher than the regular season they are. I
remember twenty fourteen, we had points of emphasis defensive holding,
offensive pass interference. We were calling twenty one thousand a
game in the preseason's about twelve and a half. Well,
it probably closer to fifteen sixteen, but that's five or
six fous less during the regular season. So what they're
doing now is they're gonna over officiate, They're gonna make

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calls what it's questionable, and then hopefully look at it,
study it, and fix it for the regular season. Okay,
let me defend offensive guys. Here. I'm a cornerback. I'm
Richard Sherman, and my receiver I grabbed him. I push
him out of the way, and here it comes a
two hundred twenty nine pound running back running downhill with
a head start, and it's third and two, so he

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can't get past me. Here he lowers his head. Okay,
I can tackle him with my arms. He's dragging me
for a first that's gonna get the first name. So
my takeaway is when a running back gets to heads
puts his head down, the only way for me to
stop him at the point of collision is with my
shoulders and my body weight lunging forward. What does a

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corner do. It's tough a corner especially, he's giving up
probably forty fifty pounds in that situation. He's got to
get lower, right, He's got to create some leverage. If
he's going to drop his shoulders, the head's gonna go
with it, and he has to keep the head out
of it or keep his head up, which is easier
said than done. I feel for defenders in that situation.
And again with the back, the rule applies to the

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back as well. If a running back lowers his head
and initiates contact with the crown. The problem is, historically
officials officiate the defense first, and plays like this safety
fouls and the back is almost an afterthought. So they
have to kind of shift that thinking and make sure
they're looking at both players because it does feel like
it's slanted overwhelmingly to a defensive player to an offensive player,

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and I saw running backs all weekend lower their head.
And I think corners especially because most good corners in
this league way about a buck eighty eight to a
buck ninety four. And if you're giving up forty pounds
on a third and three, sure you're dead. There's nothing
you can do. All right, let's talk about Jarvis Landry
had a hit. Joy. Did you think this was dirty
or not? I do think it's dirty because if it

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was a defensive player then they would have been called.
So let's show the hit called fairly. The only thing
I think is dirty about this is the old unsuspecting
thing where somebody was caught off guard, which, give me
a break. It's football. Special teams is all about. Is
this dirty? So you can make that block? He's coming
from the outside in, and the key is he can't
go to the head and he can't go below the waist.

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So when I looked at this, it's close in terms
of did he get him in the head neck area?
Because if he goes shoulder to the body, he's legal.
I think there's some history here. Obviously, when Jarvis was
with Miami. You go back Aaron Williams, So they're gonna
be hyper sensitive to this type of block. It is close,
I think the officials and I agree with Joy, it's

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when it's a safety thing. If that's anywhere near that
headneck area, it should apply to the offensive player as
well as the defensive player. And if it's close in
that headneck area, it should be a foul. Now the
catch rule has been modified. We know what drove is crazy.
Have you seen anything in the preseason that leads you
to believe it's a problem or do they do? You
think they've sort of distilled it down to pretty simple stuff.

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You know, I think the catch rule. There's been so
much talk about the helmet rule. I think the catch
rules just lying in wait, and I think, and we're
gonna get to a week two or three, and the
catch rule is going to pop up, and we're gonna
have catch controversy because I get what the Competition Committee did.
They took those those handful of plays that everybody thought
should have been catches and they made them catches. And
that's fine, make the rule more in line with what

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people think it should be. But again, we just don't
know on these other plays, what are the unintended consequences?
Because now you've got control body part and a football move. Well,
that's subjective too, And what is a football move? On
the Jesse James play, it's obvious that looks like a
touchdown in it. That looks like a touchdown to me too.
And now they've in the rule to make that a touchdown.
But they are going to be plays where it's not

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that obvious, and we're gonna get into this debate was
it a football move or was he just going to
the ground. By the way, we're gonna look at that
video in twenty years and go, they didn't give him
a touchdown? Like it'll be the dumb period of the NFL.
Like we'll be just like that wasn't it. And we
may look in twenty years and look back at these
helmet hits and say, wow, they that was part of
the game. And I think that's where the NFL wants

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to go and get the get the head out of
the game. So in twenty years we're not talking about it.
How about this now? You can in college this is brutal.
They'll just throw a guy out. Yeah, sometimes way too
fast and football is a fair I mean again, I
played at a high school level with slower guys but
high school, especially in the secondary, stuff happens fast. Guys

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are in a crossing route, you're back pedaling. All of
a sudden you come up, you're looking at a tight end.
There's a catch, boom. It's like it's not like a
pilot where I can put it on an oil pilot.
I see the thunder and lightning coming. A lot of
stuff is bang bang. I wonder this would you be
as an afficial old So it's a star player, it's
it's it's a earl Thomas and it's a safety and

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it's a bad hit. Do you have Is there something
in your head as an official saying, God, he's a
star player, I'm just not going to throw him out
of the game. Isn't that something sure? And there shouldn't
be when they get to this level that that should
not be a factor. I can't sit here as as
an amateur psychologist and say that it's not in the

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back of someone. But you're throwing somebody out of a
playoff game. There's there's no question in the first quarter
of a playoff game, UM, I would imagine that an
official is going to be less likely to throw out
a star player unless it's just blatantly obvious. I mean, seriously,
if if if it's not like Atlanta where you have
three wide receivers, if you're if it's Seattle and it's
Doug Baldwin, I'm gonna give him a pass because they

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go from Doug Baldwin to a household item. It's a
big gap between Doug. If I'm an official, I would
have soul. I would be so reluctant to throw at
a star well. And you know, historically the league has
not wanted officials to eject players unless it was clear,
and they've always said, don't eject if you if you

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have any doubt, we'll deal with it during the week.
We can look at the tape we have, We're less
likely to make a mistake. We can suspend. So that's
just historically officials are are less likely to throw players out.
But I think where we're going with these new rules
is they want officials, if it's warranted, to eject players.
You are the vice president of officiating. Have you ever
gotten a text recall in the last month about Holly Molly?

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The cockpit's gotten really confusing. Our officials concerned about just
every year major changes. In the last hour, you know,
I've I you know, it's every year there seems to
be something officiating is a hot, hot button topic, and
there's always you know, with the new rules. I feel
like the helmet rule. One of the issues with the

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helmet rule is not the rule itself, it's just how
it was implemented. And I feel like, you know, normally
a rule like this is vetted out, competition committee looks
at it, they meet with the Players Association at the combine.
None of that happened, thank you. It was just kind
of injected into the sport by the way game at
four o'clock. Good luck, Dean Blandino. Great seeing you our

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Dean Blandino. Chris Simms. Been fun today. It has Unctious

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is a great word. Yeah, we just because a lot
of stuff. And I said earlier, you're in a motor am.
I should probably be more of an emotor. But if
if I'm annamotor and you're a motor, our motor skills
work well together, does that make sense. It's all about balance.
I think the words were all messed up there, but
it is about balance. It's great to have you in it.
Coming up in fifteen minutes, longtime NFL defensive coordinator Rob

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Ryan is going to join us on the show tonight.
Tonight we wrap up the second week of the NFL preseason.
Andrew Luck, my guy, is an action on Monday Night
Football against Lamar Jackson. So let me start there. Think
about what we have in the league right now. We
have five Hall of famers and all of them still
have years left. Brady Breeze, Ben Rogers, Russell Wilson, don't

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argue he is five Hall of famers with a lot
of years left. We have four guys who will get
Hall of Fame votes. Eli a lot of people think
he'll get in. Cam Newton I criticize him. MVP all
time great running quarterback, still has five years left, He's
gonna get votes. Matt Ryan five six years left at

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this pace, gonna get votes. And Philip Rivers gonna get
a lot of votes. So we're nine in for absolute
Hall of Famers and certainly with a lot of years left,
gonna get votes. Oh wait, oh wait, there's three more
guys that are three of the most talented guys I've
ever watched. They're just coming off injuries. Carson Wentz, Deshaun

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Watson and Andrew Luck. And if I said, with any
of them seven more years of their best football, they
would be Hall of Famers. Okay, do the math. Now,
five four, I'm twelve in. That's forty of the league.
Then there's three other guys right now who have shown
us in this now league where having an offensive coach

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with the rule changes joy really elevates you. There's three
other guys who at their best so far have blown
us away. Goth McVay, Shanahan, Garoppolo I never lost together,
and Derek Carr and John Gruden if he can get
it ramped up here after taking a decade off. I'm
at fifteen. That's half the league. That's half the league

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is a Hall of Famer will get votes. Spectacular Hall
of Fame talent off an injury, and three young guys
who look like their Hall of Fame talents with the
coaches they're aligned with. I'm not even counting anybody in
this draft class. And if you look at the history
of draft classes, when five quarterbacks go in the first round,
one's gonna pop, not five or four, but at least

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one and probably two pop. And if they get the
right coach, eight nine years stretch the Hall of famers.
I sit around and I watched this stuff Andrew luck tonight,
Lamar Jackson, Baltimore, Indianapolis, and I'm watching football and I'm
thinking between the rules, the coaching, the spacing, the quarterback camps,
the seven on seven stuff at the high school level,

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the spread offense in college football, We've never had a
time that's good. I go back to an era that
everybody always talks about. Lay Marino. Oh the eighties, late eighties.
All right, you had Laway Marino, and you had Joe Montana.
You had Jim Kelly and Warren Moon. Those five guys
were good Hall of Fame guys. Yeah, the drop off,

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got it dropped off. You gottato a bunch of Phil
Simms stuff. I like Phil Sims his son's on today
at an hour. But you didn't have layer after layer
after layer. We got fifteen guys in this league that
are Hall of famers will get votes Hall of Fame,
talent off injury, and three guys that look like it

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could be really, really special. That's half the league. And
I'm not counting this rookie class where I've said I
think Donald's going to be a fifteen year Andrew Luck
level if he can stay healthy starter in the National
Football League. Sometimes you gotta take a deep breath, stay
off social media, appreciate how much good we have. Let

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me shift to this, speaking of young quarterbacks, I watched
Sam Darnold. He's pretty good. And here's what I hear
all the time. You know, there's an old saying among guys.
You want to date a pretty girl, got to ask
her out. She's not gonna come up to you. She's
not gonna come up to you. You want to you

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want to date a pretty girl, you gotta go up
to her and say I want to have a coffee
and then maybe glass of wine second date, and maybe
she likes you. Just don't drool on yourself. Maybe you
have a shot, but you got to ask her out,
meaning you gotta have a little courage and you have
to be willing to make a mistake, and you have
to be willing to embarrass yourself. Okay, Sam Darnold's gonna

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throw interceptions? Who cares? You want to play it safe
and never leave your hometown, marry your high school sweetheart.
Notne wrong with that. There's a world out there of opportunity.
You're gonna fall flat on your ars. Brett Farve's the
all time leader in interceptions. Peyton Manning is the all

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time NFL rookie leader in interceptions by year fourty still
through twenty three. Ben Roethlisberger twenty three is a rookie.
Eli Manning interception machine. Drew Brees, Joe Namath, Terry Bradshaw,
Folks who gives a rip to date the pretty girl?
You got to ask her out. Peyton Manning was a

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turnover machine. So was Brett Farve, so as brother Eli
Breeze throws a lot. You want to know who doesn't
throw interceptions Number one and two in the league last year,
Tyrod Taylor and Alex Smith, they both got traded. What
is my knock on? Dak Prescott? I call him Dink
and Dak underneath underneath, underneath, underneath, underneath, stretch the field.

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All time quarterback interceptions leaders. The minute Peyton Manning gets
inducted into the Hall of Fame, seven to ten, seven
of ten are the all time interception leaders. They take
a chance. Those guys in Silicon Valley were born there,
they move there. You talk to anybody who's an angel investor.

(01:25:55):
They have whipped Ashton. Kutcher's the guy in Hollywood. He's
an angel investor. One hundred grand for this, one hundred
grand for this, a million for this. He's hit two
home runs, he's whipped on twenty. Who cares if guys
throw picks. DeShawn Watson had two games last year, remember
this joy. I think one was Seattle, one was New England,
and everybody was like, Okay, Deshaun Watson's amazing, officially amazing.

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He threw five interceptions in those two games. What time out?
You're upset that Darnold threw one pick in the preseason.
He threw five picks in the games. You fell in
love with him. So what take chances? Roll the dice,
ask her out. Put money on a company that has

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very little chance to succeed, but could hit a home run.
You gotta take chances. I've always said one of the
most important things about a quarterback is a short memory.
You can't be paralyzed by asking a girl out and
she just says not interested. All right, who's next? You're
a hook. There's a sea of fish. Take a chance,
roll the dice, go it, don't hey with Sam Darnold's

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gonna throw twenty picks this year. If he starts, he's
gonna fumble seven times, and that means he's throwing them
all down the field a little reckless. But guess what,
you know what he's doing. He's taking chances. Do you
want Tyrod Taylor? He got Buffalo to the playoffs. They
got rid of him. You want Alex Smith? He got
Kansas City into the plaffs. They got rid of him.
Dak Prescott, I like him, by the way. I criticize

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Cam Newton all the time, right everybody, Oh you hate Cam.
You know what? I never criticized him about joy. I
never rip his interceptions. Now. I ripped the fact that
there's a receiver four feet from him and he sails
it over his head. I ripped the fact that his
emotional roller coaster and his play consistency is all over
the map. You've never heard me rip Cam because he
throws a pick who I could care less. Yes, Sam

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Darnold's gonna throw picks, lots of them, so what And
every coach in the world cringes when I say that.
But in the end, Tyrod Taylor and Alex Smith don't
throw him. Both were traded. Gotta put the ball down
the field. Coming up next, Rob Ryan has going to
have a wildly unpopular decision on Sam Darnold. What to

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do with him? Sam Darnold Jets startom or not? Rob
Ryan around the corner. The NFL preseason continues this week
on Fox. On Thursday, the defending champion Eagles take take
on number one pick Baker Mayfield and the Browns. Then Sunday,
AJ Green and the Bengals battle of Shawn McCoy, Josh
Allen and the Bills. Catch the games live on Fox

(01:28:27):
or stream them on the Fox Sports Of those four teams,
which player do you want to watch the most? I
mean Baker, I know, right, there's something about Baker Mayfield,
and I think that's that's probably had something to do.
That's a good idea for a sitcom. There's something about
Baker Mayfield that's not terrible, you know, like Baker all

(01:28:49):
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look good in long hair. Our next guest is one
of them. Rob Ryan, nineteen years coaching in the NFL.
You would look ridiculous in short hair. So honestly, you

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would look like, you know what it gives you, kind
of a wild child look. That's a that's a look
I'm going for. Yeah. So if you are right now
with the Jets and Todd Bowles is the head coach,
and you're a defensive coordinator and you're getting your after

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week three, he sits down in a room and you
guys are having a meeting and he says, hey, Rob,
all you guys, and I'm not sure if this has
ever happened, but let's just do a little dry test here.
Donald Bridgewater, who should start? Who would you raise your
hand for? I would go with either Bridgewater or McCowan
only because of this, because I remember this. Donald is

(01:29:53):
such a good young kid, and he's gonna be the franchise,
right all right, just on pass failures of like Troy Hickman,
who as one of the greatest arms I've ever seen
in my life. He never won a game as a rookie.
Even Peyton Manning is Hall of Famer as great as
he is. Oh god, he got beat up with no line.
I'm a little worried about their line. I'd be honest

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with you. And uh, look, mccollan doesn't need a line.
He's tough as nails. He gets killed, you know, crushed
all the time. He's played on some of the worst
teams ever. H Bridgewater. You know, coming back, I think
I would take my time with this guy. He's still
got a little hitch in his throw, and uh, you
know sometimes he'll stare down. You know, he's a half
field read quarterback, where they could teach him to be

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a full read quarterback. Look, there's no question this guy's
your franchise quarterback. I just don't think i'd be in
a hurry to rush him. What if you're in a
situation Buffalo has to play Josh Allen, don't. Oh they're lucky.
I mean, look, this is the guy that's got all
the upside. We talked about it. You know the kid
as he worried him better than all of them. You know,

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I thought Rosen was most ready to play, and I
said it on the show. The thing about Josh Allen
is you have to have a big arm to succeed
out there, you really do. And you know, he's a big,
really smart guy. He's with Dabel, who you loved with
the fact that Goff had had a quarterback coach mcphay
come in to be the head coach and it was

(01:31:17):
great for him. This guy's going in there with Brian Dable,
who's one of the best offensive minds he's worked with
with Josh McDaniels, uh, you know, and so he's he's
been lucky to be around that situation and he's gonna
be He's gonna get this kid going. I coach with
Brian at two different places. He's an excellent coach and
he's got great patience. The thing about this guy is

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he's got the cannon. No, no, he's got the got
all of that. And look how pois he's looked the
first two weeks. Like you even mentioned on your show
today about look this guy. You know, this guy, he's
so far along he's developed. This is what's interesting, Rob
I said, and this is not a shot at Wyoming.
But let's be honest, Nick Saban's not on that staff.

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Sometimes you get a Miami of Ohio staff when Ben's
there and they're they're younger coaches, they may not even last.
And then you go from that to Mike Tomlin, Bill
Cower Pittsburgh Steelers. This this Buffalo staff got into the
playoffs last year. This kid was an overstrider, an overthrower.
It looks like he's been coached up. It just does well,

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there's no question. And Dabile, you know, they just hired
him this year, uh, you know, to come back from Alabama,
but he'd been with New England forever. Look, he's going
in his hometown, Buffalo, which the greatest spot in the
world for him. But it's a great move by by
the head coach McDermot, who's done a great job. He
got rid of the personnel staff that was there which

(01:32:47):
had to go. And I've been in eighteen years of it.
I saw it was the worst I've ever been to.
But he did a great job and he hired a
great coach. He's gonna take this young quarterback. Who are
you gonna play mccaren. I don't care if he's healthy,
I'd never play him. Okay, you know the the other
kid that threw five picks and nine and a half. No,
they got a real quarterback here, and the pois's showing up.
It's been great. He's yeah, he's the one guy. I'm like, Okay,

(01:33:10):
I missed on that one. He looks really good. Okay,
so let's talk veteran quarterback. So Brady comes out against
Philadelphia and he throws twenty six times and the internet explodes,
and my takeaway is, well, God, he didn't know any who.
He didn't know who these guys are. I've never seen
and I really believe this. As great as Belichick and
Brady are, they've always had a good old line. Now

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they're rebuilding the first time I remember. It looks like
a rebuild on the old line. They got a bunch
of new wide receivers. I kind of thought Tom was
playing because Tom needed to play with these new kids.
It wasn't like anti Philadelphia stuff, right, which is which
is a great Uh you know, I think those are
great points that you make about it, because I don't
know who these guys are either, and uh, it's It's amazing,

(01:33:52):
you know how how successful Brady is year in year
out with some guys that you know, just all of
a sudden become players once they're with Brady. The thing
is with the offensive line. Dante Scarneki has been there
forever and he makes unbelievable lines, so he'll get this
line going again. But I wasn't that surprised that Brady
played as long as he did, because really, it's about

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four drives for the game. Now, Brady's playing against Philadelphia.
They never punt in three years. What they just don't punt. Yeah,
Thomas punted once against the Eagles in multiple games, right Like,
they don't punt because they go down and score every time.
So it's uh, you know, he wanted to make the
best of his four drives, I guess. But Brady looked exceptional. God,

(01:34:38):
he looked on point, and he looks so good. So
his accurates. I mean, I gotta tell you something. He
is now a master surgeon of that offense. He knows
when you watch New England play, and I lived in
the New England region for a decade, it is surgical.
He there's nobody in the league right now that goes
to the line and knows what he sees and knows

(01:34:58):
what he does better than Brady. Oh yeah, I mean,
and that's exactly right. And the thing with Brady is
he's gonna have you by halftime, no matter who you are,
so he knows what you're doing. If you don't have
another plan at halftime, you're done. Like these these teams
that keep preventing will make it go the long, hard way.
Well that works, but not with this guy. He'll kill you.

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He'll hang you know. Buffalo does that to him. They
get off to a nice start against him last year,
and that's great, and then Brady hangs up thirty points
on him in the second half. I mean, that's who
he is. So uh, you know, he's an exceptional players.
He's the greatest of all time in my opinion. And
it was a little I know when you look, while
he played a half against the Eagles, he's rubbing their
face in it. But I don't think so. Sometimes Belichick

(01:35:44):
will take a game that we're you know that in
the preseason that you played against another team, and he'd
want to win that game to send the message, you know,
for later in the year. He actually would so preseason
at times matters to Bill and obviously this was one
of the times and they jumped all over. Um. You know,
I was talking about the Golden age of quarterbacks. Obviously

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we have a situation now where there's five Hall of
Famers Brady Brees, Ben who are the other two Rogers?
And I don't care what anybody says. Russell Wilson, Yeah, yeah,
he's great. So these are my Hall of Famers that
I currently believe are playing. And then I think there's
four guys who will get a bunch of votes, Philip Rivers,
Eli Manning, Cam Newton and Matt Ryan. They'll get votes. Okay,

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So that's that's nine guys who are Hall of Famers
or maybe Hall of famers. And then I think there's
also three guys in the league right now who are
really unique talents but are coming off injuries, and those
would be Carson Wentz, to Shaun Watson Andrew Luck. We've
seen him at their best and they're scary. Oh yeah,
So that now, now we're up to twelve guys. Then
I would say there's three more guys in the league

(01:36:53):
that I think have the right coach for their skill set. Garoppolo,
Kyle Shanahan, goth McVay, car Now we're up to fifteen.
That's amazing. Okay, Rob, There's never been a time in
my life where half the league was special at quarterback.
Is it rules? Is it talent? Is it high school coaching?
Is it? What is it? I think I think, uh,

(01:37:14):
that's amazing. Stat First of all, I mean the guys
you mentioned, they will be in the Hall of Fame.
You know a lot of those, right, Oh, there's no question.
And I think I think today these guys work out
so much. You're bringing up the seven on seven leagues
and things like that. Maybe that is helping to develop
the quarterbacks. I remember Brady being such a young quarterback,

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but he would work out every day by himself, six
in the morning to make himself strong, to make himself better.
And you know, so maybe his talent didn't start that way,
but he made himself great. So great coaching can make
coach can make quarterbacks better. I also think there's something
to be said. Offensive coordinators now get the most money.

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So you know how certain like people used to box
in America and now there's a lot of money and
you don't have to get your head beat in so
boxing's not quite as popular in football coaching. The money
is now on the offensive side. Oh the offensive genius.
Oh he's the office Sean McVay. So what's happening is
a lot of these young coaches, a lot of these
smart guys, they're moving to the offensive side because that's

(01:38:18):
where the money's at. You buy the bigger house, you
get the bigger salary, And I do feel like and
the league is rewarding them saying you can't hit anybody.
So I kind of feel like we were in this
kind of generation now, Rob where the money for coaches
is on the offensive side. I mean, you got guys
like Lovey Smith who can coach out dirt cut her in,
and I kind of feel like we're just becoming an

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offensive league. Well, I mean, you know, it looks that way,
but the points aren't really going up that much. I
think every coach in the league, you got all those
Hall of Fame quarterbacks, has gray hair like I do.
On defense, but you know, I know this look the
defensive coordinators. Coordinators in the league are paid exceptionally well,
a lot better than you think. I mean really, you know, yeah,

(01:39:00):
I got this suit when I was working, but you know,
but I'm just saying, like, you got paid great. But
I get it. There's a lot of hype for the
offensive coaches, right, but uh, there's some great defensive coach.
Look at Mike Zimmer. It took Mike Zimmer how many
years to become a head coach. I mean, it's unbelievable,
and he's one of the best in the league. Bill Belichick,

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don't forget he's a defensive coach. Look, these guys are
still great coaches. Mike Tomlin another defensive coach, Mike got
All these guys are in Super Bowls or soon will be.
I mean, it's just, uh, I'm trying to think coach
people we think are elite coaches. Tomlin's defense, Pete Carroll's defense,
Belichick's defense. There is there, uh dan Quinn, dan Quinn's
defensive coach, Ron River's defense. A lot of great defensive coaches.

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But you make a point of if you get a
young quarterback to get a good young offensive coach, that
makes sense because you're married up to each other and
you want to bring this franchise quarterback with a friend,
you know, with a young coach. I get it, absolutely,
but it doesn't detract if you don't have this young
guy to develop, a great defensive coach can win you

(01:40:08):
more games. They're used to adjusting, they have to do
all that stuff. There's there's so much that goes into
being a great defensive coach. And I know everybody say
I want to be okay, right or whatever, but I'm
just telling you the truth. And you know, so great
coaches are gonna do well in developing a young quarterback.
I get it. Get a young coach, get a great

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offensive mind. They're hard to find out there. There's a
couple this deep filipball. It's gonna be great. I know
Davil's got his chance. You know. Obviously Josh McDaniels will
get a chance next year to prove you know that
he can do it as a head coach. So uh,
you know, it'll be interesting. But the quality of quarterback
is out there, there's no question however it got done. Yeah,

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I think great coaching in the NFL makes these guys
much better. By the way, how often do you get
a haircut? Because I have to do mine once a week.
I get a trim about about a month ago. You
got a trim. Yeah, you don't get a haircut though
you get. I used to. I used to give my hair.
I'd get it all the weight cut to locks of
Love and I did it for all five years in

(01:41:10):
What the Raiders. I did it a couple of years
in New England. And then my wife, who likes my
hair long. Uh, she's like, you know, Rob, it's not
growing that fast. It doesn't look as good. So uh
we've kept it. We just go with the trim now
because it does look good. It's finishing, it looks very good.
How often do you get your hair cut? Joy? Oh?
I just get the ends trimmed me too. Yeah, getting

(01:41:32):
hair getting haircuts isn't a isn't a girl thing. You
guys will get haircuts. No we get I mean I don't.
You don't get a haircut? No, I have a little
bit different hair cut. I'll come in like I get
a haircut today. I'm getting into an area. I should
good to seeing you. U. Joy with the news. No, no,

(01:41:56):
this is the hard line news. So Vegas is expecting
the Spurs to take a step back with Kawhi gone
and the Westgates super Book went as far as to
predict that the Spurs won't even crack the playoffs. And
newly resigned Rudy Gay is puzzled by the disrespect that
the biggest odd makers are giving his team. He said,
nobody expects us to be good. I don't know why.

(01:42:17):
How is that? Why were we expected to be so
much better last year? Because Kawhi may have come back,
he didn't, and we were still a playoff team. The
Spurs always exceed the expectations. Don't expect anything less. Well,
they're not gonna be as good, but they'll they're probably
a playoff team because the West is a little it's
good at the top, the bottom's got a lot of questions. Yeah,
I am not ready to be out on the Spurs.

(01:42:37):
So we have LaMarcus all Rich still, Damar de Rosen,
Patty Mills, Rudy Gay, Popovich coaches. They got somebody else,
somebody else. Danny Green's gone, Kawhi is gone. Isn't there
a big young guy? Yeah, the young guy. There's a
young guy. They're like the young guard. Yeah. House the

(01:42:57):
Spurs are going to be to be what the Spurs
are every year, which is consistent obviously around Kauai. And
that's a big piece of lose. Nobody used discounting that
but I'm not going to say that they're not going
to be a playoff team. I still can't believe you
don't get haircuts. I'll explain to you after this. So,
as you already know, Colin, traffic in Los Angeles is

(01:43:18):
is not that pleasant. You kind of have to plan
your life around it. Unless you are working on Undisputed
and you drive at three o'clock in the morning, we
don't have to worry about it. That's pretty much the
only time. So when the Chargers moved to out late
last year, Philip Rivers stayed in San Diego. Because he
has a wife and eight children. He did not want
to relocate, so he hired a driver and purchased the
vehicle with reclining chairs and all of the video equipment

(01:43:40):
that he needed to study film while he was being
driven to and from practice. We have a picture of
this party a year later. That's still what he's doing.
He told Peter King. It worked great last year at
averaged about an hour and six minutes in the morning,
maybe not ninety minutes at night, you know, when there
was more traffic, But that's okay. Just in third down

(01:44:01):
or red zone tape to analyze and I'm good to go.
I love that. This is really great use of time.
It's incredible. So he has so he has a driver, Yeah,
and he just he sits in the back and Okay,
I gotta go look at third down tape. Look at that.
That's very comfy. That is rolling. That is incredible. Hannah
need one of those. I am. I don't like to

(01:44:22):
complain because it's it's it's a bluss thing to be
able to have a car and drive. But I really
sometimes what I do is I do on my phone,
calls on the car. By the way, you have to
call and do anything with customer service. I'm doing it
while I'm in traffics. The greatest car I've ever seen.
It's really awesome. So his kid's gonna like watch movies
and that thing when they go for trips. Now, I'm
pretty sure he Well he has eight kids, so I
think you have to pick just one to ride in.

(01:44:44):
The special problem. That really smart. San Diego is not
that far, it's not a it's not a backmun and
live in LA and have to drive that far to
get home, like they were, work in LA and have
to drive home. So that's that's really smart. Yeah, it's
a it's a good use of time. Finally, Nick Saban,
coming off his sixth national championship. You think that's impressive,

(01:45:05):
but one rival isn't impressed. In a recent Candid Coaches
installment from CBS Sports, one coach voted for Saban as
the sports most overrated coach. Dumbest thing I've ever heard.
He said, if you count cheating and getting the best
players in the country as part of running a program,
he's the best in the country. It's like saying an
NFL coach is the best coach in the league if
he gets twenty five first round picks every year. This

(01:45:26):
is such loser talk. I mean, first of all, if
you're gonna come out anonymously with a quote, can you
miss me with the cheating thing? Just just miss me,
all right, Like, if you're gonna come out with something
that aggressive, just say who you are and say that
they cheat. And as far as them being getting the
best players, they don't. Of course, they get the best players.
The best players want to go so where they're really

(01:45:47):
gonna win, And then they're gonna go to the NFL
and they're gonna be on national television games all the
time to play for a national championship. Go watch the
NFL draft the first three round at a bunch of
Alabama players, so that you make money out of Alabama.
Maybe they're a better recruiter than you. He has a
better recruiter. That's why, that's why TV networks are buying
for I don't even like Alabama, and I'm up here
defending them. It's just I can't stand when people just

(01:46:09):
blatantly hate on a great program. And yeah, John John
makes a good point. Joy. You know he's gonna be
there if you sign. You just signed a ten year contract,
so you're not gonna be half the guys. Players don't
want to go somewhere where the coach is gonna get
fired halfway through their time at this school. You want
to go somewhere consistent, where you're gonna have an opportunity
to play in the NFL. You're gonna play for a
national championship. You know you're gonna get the best facility.

(01:46:31):
You know what somebody said to me one time. It
drove me crazy. They got They said, how did you
get a go You must have a great agent to
get the job you got And I was like, yeah,
my agent's great. But maybe I'm pretty good, right, I
will tell you tell you're lucky, Like, Yes, I am lucky.
I've been very blessed. I also have a college degree,

(01:46:51):
and I worked in the business for ten years, and
I interned for free for two years, getting coffee and copies.
That's right. So yeah, I'm lucky to have you, great agent. Yeah,
but it's but you're not representing an old canon chord
over here. I can bring it. We make this out
a little bit easier with all the work we put in.
But Jos offended by that. Hey, by the way, when

(01:47:13):
Nick's up thirty eight three at half, it's not because
he's cheating. He's not because because he's a better coach.
They're cheating, all right, Joey Taylor of the News, Well
that's the news, and thanks for stopping. By the way,
Zach Martin avoided us in significant knee injury or the
Cowboys this weekend. He got hurt. Zack Martin's one of
the best five offensive linemen in the NFL. Cowboys got

(01:47:35):
two great lineman, they got three or four, but Tyron
Smith's best left tackle. Zach Martin's a monster. Listen, here's
the thing about that, and I'm thinking about this. He's
gonna be fine. You know, I was thinking about this
this morning. The NFL has only got nine teams that
we all agree that coach can win a Super Bowl
and that coach and that quarterback coming to Super Bowl.

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It's only nine. Dallas isn't one of them. And I
think that's the struggle with Dallas is that we know
the Steelers Mike Tomlin can win a Super Bowl and
Ben Kent they have Seahawks. I think we all acknowledge
Garoppolo and Kyle Shanahan have never lost together. Rams, Packers, Patriots, Saints,
Falcon's Eagles. Those are coaches. We know, our elite with

(01:48:21):
elite quarterback. After that, there's only four other teams where
one of the things we know is good, the other
we're not sure. We know Derek Carr's really good. Will
Gruden be good after a ten year left? We know
Andy Reid's really good, but as Patrick Mahomes any good.
We know Andrew Luck's good. It's Frank Wich head coach.
We know Philip Rivers come in a bunch of games.

(01:48:42):
Anthony Lynn, We're not sure it's been a coach for
a couple of years. Dallas isn't an either group. Dallas
doesn't have a coach that most people love, and they
don't have a quarterback that most people love. And if
you look at Super Bowl contenders, it's generally love beats.
Like there's only nine teams in this league where we
know there's a coach they can win a Super Bowl.

(01:49:02):
He's an elite coach, offensive defensive, head coach, and I
include Kyle Shanahan and I'm rolling the dice a little
bit on him. We know mcvacon coach. Give me a break.
Last year he turned just a mess into a first
round by football team. So you know, I guess my
takeaway is with Dallas when I hear about this injury,
they don't have anything anybody loves at the quarterback coach spot. Now.

(01:49:24):
I like Dak a lot, but I don't love him.
I like him a lot. I like Jason Garrett, I
don't love him. And I can be critical of Mike
Tomlin and Pete Carroll because I think they lean on
emotion too much, but they've won super Bowls and the
quarterbacks that win super Bowls, and I think that's the
interesting thing about Dallas for me is there's a lot
I like about Dallas, but the teams that win Super Bowls,

(01:49:48):
there's usually a component called love coach quarterback. The thing
about Dallas, I loves the offensive line. But I've loved
their offensive line for four years and that's gotten me nothing.
Up Next, it's something everybody's waiting for. It's gonna happen
much sooner than almost everybody thinks. That's next. In Best
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(01:50:32):
Doug Gottlie, Chris Simms, former NFL quarterback Dean Blandino on Rules,
Rob Bryan. We call it best for Last after almost
three hours. Colin apparently hasn't gotten to the point yet.
Quit holding out on us, Cowherd. It's the best for Last,
all right. Five rookie quarterbacks we've seen so far in

(01:50:54):
the preseason, and so I thought, you know, I think
all of us are thinking who's gonna start, who's not
going to start? When are they going to start? And
so I thought, we're taping this, right, We're gonna put
this on tape, and I'm gonna make my predictions. Now
I may wildly whiff on this, but we'll go back
and check how accurate I am. So, John Goulay, you

(01:51:15):
name the rookie quarterback, and I'll talk us through this
all right. First, Lamar Jackson, I've always felt joy he's
project more than prospect. I don't think he's ready to
sit in the pocket and throw thirty five times. He
needs a running game and he needs time, and that's
been illustrated by his thirty nine percent completion percentage. He's

(01:51:36):
wrong and he needs a lot of time. And I
don't think he should start at all in his rookie year.
But this is a proud franchise. The Steelers are going
to be great. They're pulling away from their rival Baltimore.
Flacco's just kind of vanilla. And so I went to
the stretch of games where I think Baltimore could be
in trouble, and Week six through nine, they're at Tennis

(01:52:00):
See Saints at Carolina and the Steelers, and that's either
a one for three or an o for four, and
it's Jordy bumpy. And then week ten joy they have
a bye. Week eleven, they host the Bengals, So I'm
gonna go projected start date. I do not think he's ready.
But Lamar Jackson Week eleven at home against the Bengals,

(01:52:21):
off a bye, the crowd will be whipped. There's a
Tebow fascination, young, flashy, fun unique. That's when Lamar Jackson starts.
I don't know if he starts. I don't think he
starts this SI. I don't either. I don't think he's ready.
I'm just going to roll the dice on that. I
saw what Tebow did. He wasn't ready either. All right,
let's do the next one. Josh Allen w Josh Allen's

(01:52:42):
the Buffalo kid who's looked fairly good. He's completed fifty
six percent of his throws. His passer reading's ninety three.
And AJ McCarron's hurt. And Nathan Peterman, who's got a
clothing catalog I believe is not great. And I also
think as Rob Bryan said, they have the right defensive
staff and the right offensive coordinator. Lets I think he's
gonna start Week one at the Ravens. I think they're

(01:53:03):
gonna throw him into the fire and it's gonna be bumpy.
It's gonna be really, really bumpy. But his advantage is
a J. Mccaron's out with the right shoulder injury, and
nobody in Buffalo wants to watch Nathan Peterman. And this
historically losing franchise got to the playoffs last year and
they want some fun. And this is a good staff,

(01:53:25):
and he already looks elevated. So I stay he starts,
Josh Allen week one at the Ravens. He's gonna lose
and is gonna be choppy, But I think that that's
the one I feel very strongly about. I totally agree,
and I think it's the best thing for him that
he starts week one. There's no problem with making a
few mistakes or a lot of mistakes, as long as
doesn't throw five interceptions in the first half of the Peterman,

(01:53:46):
then I didn't He's good to go. John Josh Rosen,
When will he start? The unheralded story of the preseason
that Sam Bradford has not thrown an incompletion. They're not
gonna play a lot of Bradford, but Sam's a big,
strong quarterback who's been in this league a long time. Now.
We also know Bradford gets hurt a lot, and we
also know that Josh Rosen got hurt in college. They

(01:54:07):
don't want to foist him up and get eaten alive.
So I think they'd like to play Bradford as long
as they can. But there is a stretch late in
the year when the Cardinals average offensive line faced the
Seahawks rush in Week four, They're at Minnesota's rush in
Week six, and they host Denver week seven. That's got Bradley,

(01:54:29):
Chubb and Von Miller. And I think between Week four
and week seven, too many physical defenses, too many pass rushes.
So I say week eight, October twenty eighth, hosting the
Niners in division Josh Rosen, they don't want to start him,
but in Bradford's looked really good, and they like Bradford,

(01:54:51):
and they'd like Rosen to stay out of the crosshairs
of that old line, which is old and not overly talented.
By the way I've watched that old line is bad.
It's not good. So that's my Week eight prediction there. Well,
unless they plan on doing a massive overall haul of
their offensive line next year, so their plan is to
sit Josh Rosen all this year, then I think that
makes sense. But they knew what their offensive line was

(01:55:12):
when they took Josh Rosen, and they knew of his
injury history, and certainly knew of Sam Bradford's injury history.
So I think he starts later this year, way later,
when they're they're out of playoff contention. But with Sam Bradford,
we can only go off of what we've seen, which
unfortunately is lots of injuries. Next, the guy you are
highest son of this entire class, Sam Darnold seventy two

(01:55:33):
completion percentage. Here's the big I didn't think he was
going to start Week one. He's as good as I
thought he would be. I thought he would be a
good pro. He's gonna throw picks and makes mistakes because
he plays kind of fast. But they have the weakest
schedule in the league. Early, they played Detroit with a
new coach host, Miami go to Cleveland, Jacksonville's top, but

(01:55:53):
then they get Denver at home, Indianapolis. I gotta be
honest with you. Just go for it. I mean, Teddy Bridgewater.
It'll probably win you more games in the first six.
But if Sam can give you three and three and
Teddy gave you four and two, this offensive line's not
good enough to win you playoff games. I'm gonna go
NFL start week one of the Lions. I really I

(01:56:14):
didn't think that's going in. I was. I thought, you know,
go with Teddy. I also think if Teddy looks good
in week three, or Teddy looks good in the first
couple of weeks, you trade him. I kind of believe
the schedule works in their favor. They don't face New
England till week listen to this week twelve, so he
didn't have to face the zeus of coaching the mount
Olympus Belichick until week twelve. I think to go with

(01:56:35):
Sam week one. I totally agree should be starting week one.
Gotta get him out there, let him make mistakes. He's
making mistakes in the preseason, as you assumed he was
going to. But he's a future of your franchise. He's
got to play. He's got to get out there at
some point. Why not? What do you have to lose
your favorite rookie quarterback, Baker Mayfield. Well, Tyrod Taylor right
now is better by away. If you watch the Cleveland

(01:56:55):
Browns play, Tyrod Taylor's completing seventy five percent of his
throws touchdown, no pick, one hundred thirty four quarterback rating.
Cleveland's actually got a pretty good run blocking offensive line
and some tasty wide receivers. Tyrod Taylor's just whipping und
around the field. We're kind of falling in love with
Baker here, and I get it, but Tyrod is the
better quarterback right now. And don't forget, don't forget. Hugh
Jackson wants to win games. I have a theory on

(01:57:17):
what's gonna happen. They're gonna face Pittsburgh and New Orleans
to start the season and go oh and two, and
the owner's gonna go start Baker and Hugh Jackson's gonna
go give me one more week. And then they're gonna
play the Jets and beat them because they have better
players in the Jets. And then the owner's gonna say, Okay,
then they're gonna go to Oakland and they're gonna lose
the Gruden Derek Carr and the owner's gonna say, okay,
play Baker, and this time Hugh Jackson, who was Owen

(01:57:38):
sixteen last year, is not gonna have the leverage to
push around the owner. And here's what's gonna happen. Week
five at home Ravens October seventh, Baker Mayfield starts Owen two,
beat the Jets, lose to the Raiders. Coming home, Fandra
are clamoring for Baker Mayfield and they're gonna want to start,

(01:57:59):
and they're gonna be like a one in three team
at home divisional game, little TV game, and the owner
is gonna say, Hugh, you won the first argument, start
Baker Mayfield. Well, I think you are correct. It does
bother me that you pick any player number one overall
in the draft and don't start them week one. They
should be ready to go, They should be pro ready

(01:58:21):
at the number one overall pick. But everything that you're
saying is true, And I actually think that this is
the worst setup for Baker. I think that he should
start week one, but they're not even giving him snaps
with a first team offense. They don't even give him time.
Is going to start week one, and he is better
right now. But I just think that you take any
position number one overall, they gotta be ready to play.
We got one more job. Last one. The guy who

(01:58:43):
doesn't really get mentioned very often, Mason Rudolph, and he
was picked by the Steelers. He was I don't Calohoma State,
big bench, thirty six. He's gonna play three more years,
so his first start's gonna be in the year twenty
twenty one. Is that fair? I think he's got some talent.
He's not gonna play for a long long time. Ben

(01:59:04):
is very bothered about him. Ben was to a little
shot at it. Yea. By the way, Mason Rudolph could
be the lucky guy in this whole thing. You're gonna
sit there and by the time he gets into the
league in three or four years, Juju Smith Schuster will
be like Superstar. Plus the Steelers. Nobody drafts wide receivers
like the Steelers the best. Tomorrow, Peter Schreeger on the show,

(01:59:27):
Greg Jennings. Schreeger was in the booth for the Rams
this weekend. They put him in the booth. He was good.
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