Richard Sherman Podcast - Jets cornerback Sauce Gardner

Richard Sherman interviews New York Jets star cornerback Sauce Gardner. The two-time NFL All-Pro tells Sherm about his journey, from getting snubbed by Michigan State as a three-star recruit to breaking out at Cincinnati and going fourth in the NFL Draft to the Jets. The two also discuss New York's mid-season firing of Robert Saleh and promotion of DC Jeff Ulbrich, the uptick in penalty calls he and teammate D.J. Reed have had called against them this year, and some stories from Richard's playing days with the Seattle Seahawks and San Francisco 49ers that Sauce can learn from.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. You know, you don't do the ball championship.
That should always be the expectation. I ain't man.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Actually go ahead, Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast.
We got a guest I've been waiting on a while
since his rookie year, Sauce Gardner, the New York Jets.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
How you doing, brother, I'm good, man, can't complaining how you.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm doing great. I'm doing great. Just got got off
my run, feeling good. Coach called me the other day
it was like, hey, can you play? I said, nah,
my growin ain't got that no more brown, ain't got
what these young boys.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Need no more. Man. This game is fast, man, I
feel that.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
It is fast, and it is a lot of a
lot more lateral than people understand. But I want to
talk to you from the beginning because you grew up
in Detroit. I'm sure you wanted to go to Michigan
or Michigan State. And you know there there's been this
story out there of you and the Michigan State locker room.
You know what I mean, when you were young, when
you're being recruited and trying to get there and they
didn't even get your offer, and then you know. Obviously

(01:06):
years later everybody left wishing, you know, what if, what if?

Speaker 1 (01:09):
What if? But tell me, tell me how you felt
about that.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Man, I remember that day, like as you'll can see
the video, I was real young.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
I froed like five seven in that video.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
That was my freshman year and like that was my
first time being in like a big locker room.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Like a locker room was a big school.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Obviously, I'm from Detroit, so Michigan, Michigan State, those are
the schools that you grow up on to go to,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Obviously my dream school is Oregon.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
I ain't gonna lie because they had swag, you know,
the unis all that was fired. But like Michigan State
was the one where I'm like, if I could go
to like a Michigan school, like that'll probably be the
That'll probably be the one, right.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah. A lot of people ain't believe in me when I.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Was making that video, and you know, it's just it's
a blessing to be where I am today. I remember
I was at a football camp and the DC from Michigan.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
I'm like, man, what I got to do to get
offer from Michigan?

Speaker 3 (02:04):
He was like and we don't really be we don't
really like lanky corners, we don't really like longer corners.
And it was I forgot his name. I forgot his name.
I can't remember his name, but he was.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
He probably ain't there no more. Yeah he was. He's
not there no more.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
He was in DC when I was like in tenth grade,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
And you know it was, it was. It was kind
of crazy, man.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
All of that was just motivation hit to keep me
going and to push me to get where I are
in today.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
You know, yeah, I mean we all need the chip
on the shoulder. And you know I was the same
way when I was coming out, you know what I mean,
just a skinny kid. I might have been one hundred
and forty pounds, soaking wet, like my sophomore year, six ' three,
super uncoordinated.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
You know, I got a little better as it got older,
because I went from like five seven like you were
your freshman year. Yeah, So I was that in the
eighth grade and then by ninth grade, I was like
six two and a half and then so you had
your gross spurt in tenth grade, I'm guessing.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Uh, yeah, it was the end of tenth grade into
tenth grade.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Talk about how that was because I was super uncoordinated
when it happened. It was like it happened so fast,
and you like, all of a sudden got these long
strides and you're like, bro, what happened to my little body?

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah? Man, it was kind of weird, man, Like my
torso took a little minute to grow.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
So it's like my legs and my arms was just getting.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Longer, and it's like my torso stayed real small, Like
I was like I was supposed to be an NBA
or something. So it's kind of weird. Like my running
for was changing. I was looking a little ugly. I'm like, bro,
what's going on with me? It's a a minute to
get used to, man. But I just remember I used
to pray every night, like God, please let me hit
a gross purt please. This is when I was playing receiver,

(03:38):
because like that's what I wanted to do. But they're like, man,
you're not gonna be able to play receiver. Too short?
Maybe slide what about corner? They're like, nah, I don't
know about that. Like, you know, the game is evolving
a little bit more. You at least got to be
like five ten, five eleven. I'm like, bro, like this,
this just not working for me, you know, so right,

(03:59):
no guy, my first.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
No question.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
He did, and all of it probably helped you, you
know what I mean, because you did get some receiver experience,
and you know what I mean, I think that's what
helps us. All is at least helped me is playing
receiver for so long, just being able to see the ball,
catch it, recognize the angles and the trajectory and all
that nonsense, and just knowing how to high point it
and all that good stuff helped me a lot.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, yeah, I agree. Man.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
So when did you make the decision to officially like
I'm playing corner the rest of the rest of the time.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Man, Actually, it wasn't really even my decision to make.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
I went to King High School, Detroit King High School,
and we was playing against our our rivals cast Take.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
You know. It's it's some people that went to cast
Take that you might know. If Donovan Peoples.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Jones, he played receiver, he went there, you know, Jordan
Lewis went there, you know, and our corner, the receiver
ended up running like a glance route. Our corner ran
into our safety. Our safety got up, he was fine.
Our corner he broke his jaw, so he couldn't go
in there, and I would isn't even a backup corner.
But they didn't trust in the backup that we had,
and they're like, it's somebody that we can trust, like

(05:05):
even though he probably don't got the experience like that,
could just go in there and just you know, make
some plays.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
You know.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
They threw me in there, and mind you this is
I'm going to get people who four star guys, you know,
strapping them. I'm like, maybe I can do this. And
this was right before we started our playoff run, and
they told me like, yeah, you're gonna be starting for
the rest of the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
You know.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
That's that's what happened. Like I feel like my whole
life and why I am where I am today is
based on me just making the most out of opportunities.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
You know.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
That's what happened in high school that I got to college.
I get to college, I'm like six strength, six string cornerback.
You know, I'm sitting in the back of the classrooms,
six string quarterback, not really playing. And I remember we
had to go against UCS. They had guys like Gabriel Davis,
Trey Nixon. They had some guys and you always was

(06:03):
known for their hurry up. They have one of the
receivers run a go ball and then sell him out
and have another one come do the same thing, and
it's like, if you at corner, you probably gonna get beat.
So I remember at the beginning of the week, like
everybody's gonna have to play. You know, uh Ama, you
even gonna have to play. This is before they even
calling me sauce. Like my coach is not calling me sauce.
They amas, you probably even gonna have to play. They

(06:25):
put me in there, they run they run a sit
route because it was real basic offense room. Then man,
if you're playing on top, they're gonna sit it down.
I'm in cover three. I'm in cover three, and this
is like not a match Cover three.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
We need to be bailing.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
But I'm like, bro, I was watching film, Like he
told me you gonna play. He tells me I'm a place,
So I'm watching film all week. I'm like, all right, bet,
this is the play that I'm gonna make.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Man. I act like I was bailing soon as he
set it down. Picked at six. Yeah, and that's when
that's when everything started. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
That's real, bro that because people don't understand the like balls,
you gotta have to really like watch the tape, but
then go out there and do what you what you're
thinking you can do exactly like it's one thing to
watch it and be like, man, I can make this play.
I can make this play. I can try this dig
I can do this. But then you get out there
and bullets start flying and you're like, oh, well, I
don't want to. I don't want them to double move
or I don't want them to you mean, like you

(07:18):
shot your gun young.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah, young man, I could have I could have liked that.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
The average person who going there young like, man, this
is my first time. I don't know if I'm play
again and I messed up. Let me just do my job, coach,
let me just you know. But you know, I always
I had a good camp. I had a good camp
my fresh year. So I'm like, I'm gonna show them that,
you know, I'm not just a freshman, any old freshman.
I'm gonna show them like I was. I was supposed
to be here. You know, I shot my gun and

(07:44):
you know I was started it all.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Bro. Bro, that's mindset.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
That's really that's a really cool mindset because that's what
makes you special, you know what I mean? And that's
in every aspect because that applies to everything.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
You know.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
There are so many people there corner corners in the
league right now that watch tape and see stuff that
they can make a play on. But in the back
of their mind they're like, but what if and you
don't play that what if game?

Speaker 1 (08:06):
You're like, go get it. Yeah, I tried not to
play that with have game.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
I'd be lying if I said I didn't didn't at times,
Like I remember, We're just playing against Minnesota, and I
kept second guessing a little bit because they.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
OC is nice. He's nice.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
He is probably like one of the best OC's that
I've ever played against, like ever.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
So like I'm gonna watch.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
I watched them and I'm like, Bro, they have the
same exact stems, the same exact everything, and they're running the.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Opposite rode off of it.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Also, they'll literally have a void from two and they'll
make you think it's a dig and have a dig
and go off of it a boy from two and
actually run a dig, they have a void from two
stem in and run an out route.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
You know.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
So I'm like, bro, they really like he's nice. That's
probably one of the only games this year where I
was like, I was sticking, like, bro, do I really
want to gamble against him?

Speaker 1 (08:58):
And then they o see they see the head coach
right right, come on.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
So I'm looking on the side and I just see
his face. He got that face like he played quarterbacks.
So you know, I'm thinking, like, all right, he looking
to lax, like what's going on? Like what's about to
have been here? You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
It was.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
It was kind of crazy, man, But yeah, gotta get it.
You gotta get him his flowers.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
You know. Yeah, he's one of the best out there
right now, and he's he drawing him up like everybody's
you know, Kyle Shanahan McVay. They all doing them spray
releases offs a condensed split. And so when they get
those spray releases. I started to when I was young.
I just pressed everything and I ended all that shit
and and then I just have to just fight in
the run game, you know what I mean, Because sometimes
they cracked and they get they get outside and so

(09:42):
I just have to react quick. And you know, every
now and then they get me. But for the most part,
the past game was dead, you know what I mean.
So if it's if it's third and something, or if
it's second and long or something, I'm up there. I'm like, hey,
I'm about to dead all this ship, and y'all gonna
have to show me that y'all can get to the
edge in this past game. And as I got older,

(10:02):
we had to start peddling. I still, you know, I mean,
I don't like the pedal. I like to butt to
the sideline everything. Yeah, And so I would I would
back up like like two yards outside, probably like eight
yards deep, butt to the sideline, and I would I
would shuffle, id shuffle for two steps as they stem
and I I, damn there be at like an angle

(10:23):
so that I could break for the post or I
could break for that out and you know what I mean,
I settle down on that curl.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
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Speaker 3 (12:43):
Because like you said, that run game man, it's been crazy,
Like the way that the way that teams try to
detect off the condensed they see a corner press.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
They gonna try to get on the aas now. You know,
teams really they they be hunt that that is.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Right, unless you got it like a nine technique that's
really gonna.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Get No, that's that's that's that's that's a little different.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
You know. That's why I'll be saying I miss my
dog jfm uh play for the Broncos. One of them
non texts where it's like I don't want to say
what I want to say, But he was one of them,
like he crashing all of it down.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yes, yes, I had nothing to worry about.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
I'm not saying I got nothing to worry about now,
but I'm just saying, like, you know, when we played
Denver before the game, I was talking to him man.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Like, man, I miss you boys. You know, I'm like,
b I miss you too. You know.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
It's one of them things like that's that's the brotherhood
that come with being in the NFL. You know, the
planet that you have with with with the past guys
that you play with, you know, so yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
It ain't no shot at the current guys. I'm sure
they know you got a lot of love and respect
for him, But it's just like Mike Bennett and Cliff
Abra when they came. You know, we had big red
and we used to play this sixth technique. Then Cliff
came in. He wanted to be in a nine and
he would always I would always say, man, you're making
me get in the sea gap now, like just no,
you got to close it. You gotta crash this down.
And every time he would and now I'd be.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Like, Weld, like this, we're good.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Get some assistant tackles off of that, like you know,
you ain't got to right boy tackle every single play.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
And the see gap.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
You know, he set their ends condens it down or
set their ends arm over and both of y'all make
the play.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
You know, that's I'm in there with you exactly exactly.
But every now and then we used to have Mike
be and he would jump a gap, so he would
be and like he'd be playing the tackle because him
and Cliff Wuld played the same side, and Clipp be
the end. He'd beat the tackle so be like in
a four eyes and then he jumped my gap and
so I'd have to go to the beat gap, and
you know it, get it get loud in that big gap.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Really, you're real loud in there.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Bro, I probably only had to make one tackle in
the big gap my whole out of these old three seasons,
one or two, and you're gonna fee him.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
If you don't feel right away're gonna feel them next day,
for sure, no question. Look.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
I always tried to hit him shoulder to the thighs,
like I'm trying to get down quick, like so I
get down, wrap that up up to the ground because
all these big fellas about to come exactly.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Oh yeah, that's that's been my this year, bro, Like
tackling people high in that like, Bro, I didn't got
friendly fired this Brody got friendly fired probably like four
or five times this season.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Look, I gotta I gotta work with you one off season.
We're gonna I'm gonna show you exactly hot track.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
They took the ground and you out of harm's way
every time. I'm not hitting nobody high unless I got to.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah, Bro, we played the Patriots. I thought it was
friendly fire. I'm snapping in the D line. I'm like, bro,
y'all see, I'm pulling it because Remindre Ran, he ran
he was like four yard self. I grabbed him. I'm
pulling him back I'm thinking that d Lineman came and
hit me. Mind you, I'm on the ground. I'm looking
through my ear hole like, whoever hit me? My whole
helmet that turned my face straight, helmet that shifted.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
So I'm heiling mad. You know. I look on film
he was the Patriots ohod line and he just dove
into me. Bro.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
But if I would have got lower, just made the tackle,
I would have been chilling. Everything would have flew over me.
So that's the one thing I do. Gotta get right on, Bro,
because they be hunting. Well you you just got a track.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Hey m m No, the drills to o no, the
drills Like it's just shoulder pass the thigh every goddamn time.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Like there's no option of like go high.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
You're gonna have to binge your knees, get down there
and shoulder to thigh Like I'm not I'm not hitting
nobody high unless we the same size, and even then
I'm probably not hitting you high unless I'm really just
pissed off and I got some.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Ship to get off. Yeah. Yeah, you're doing a great job. Brother.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
You get to the league with you know what I mean,
going from like a three star then you and Kobe
at at Cincinnati. First off, he balding right now. You know,
he got his op and he got him a book.
He putting it on tape right down at safety.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Man weine. We've been talking, Man, We've been chopping it up.
You know, I've been able to catch a couple of
his games.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Man.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Just let him know how proud I am him. You
always tell me how proud he is, and me like,
he really a dog, Bro, You really a dog. Obviously
it's football. You're gonna h your ups and downs. Bro,
You're gonna have your ups and downs.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
You're never gonna be able to just cruise like this.
It's gonna be up.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
You might go down a little bit, even if it's
down a little bit, man. So you know, just being
able to see him out there, man, like he's playing fast.
You know, in the run game, past game, he's playing fast.
I've seen one of the players. I forgot where they
just played, but they threw the ball in the air.
Bro had the ball.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Safety. Kobe came out the post smack them.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
He threw the players. They ain't call it. They caught
it up exactly, They picked it up.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Man.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
So just to be able to see him out there
having fun, man celebrating. You know, that's a blessing to see.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, you got to pick against Atlanta. I think that
was his first one. Yeah, I had to. I gotta
go talk to him because you can't slide on picks.
I'm like, well it's too hard to get him.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
I'm running faver.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
You look, you look at all my picks. Boy, I'm
cutting across the field. I'm making this play last as
long as I can.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Exactly exactly. I didn't even know he slid on that.
I just see him posted.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
I just seen him the picture him catching it.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
They ran a couple of yards and then, like you can,
then slid and I was like, no, yeah, triping, But
talk to me about getting drafted. And as high as
you got drafted, was that where you wanted to go?
Is that where you expected? Because I mean it's a
short list of corners that they went top four.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
You know, I really thought that New York was where
I was going to end up. You know, I love
their coaching staff. You know, Houston, the official there, the
thirty visitor was smooth. I feel like they scheme wasn't
really for me. Right when they had that coaching staff
Obviously they got a different coaching staff. Now that's similar
to the scheme that we played in New York, you know.

(18:29):
You know, so when I got when the Jets called
me Bro, it was just it was a blessing. Man,
it was a blessing. That's where I wanted it to be.
Obviously I got the name SAW, so my marketing people
was already they were like, oh, yes, yes, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
But with a football perspective, you know, because that's the
main thing.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
You know, I was blessed to be able to, you know,
come to New York, and you know, I'm still blessed
to be able to be playing well.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Tell telling people some stuff.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
They know, you know what I mean, because you know,
you know, New York market is crazy, the media is crazy,
as you've experience for the last two years, the good
and the bad. Talk about how how this journey has
affected you, your family, you know what I mean, who
you brought with you, you know what I mean, Like,
I know this has been a blessing for your family,
But just talk about how the impact that you've been

(19:15):
able to have.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Man, it's a blessing. Man.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
The area I come from, I think it's the most
dangerous part of Detroit, you know.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
So for me to be able to.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Just move my my mom out the hood, you know,
and the stuff that I've seen growing up is like
stuff that a lot of people my age during that
time wouldn't have seen. So it's just all things that
motivate me and all things that I consider my why so,
just to be able to move my immediate family out
of the hood and stop all the stuff that they

(19:46):
was going through, you know, it's a blessing. And to
be able to come to New York, you know, it's
a blessing because the fan base they've welcomed.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Me with Oprah arms.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Obviously it's gonna be some good and it's some bad,
especially like and I mean it's an the most humble
way is possible, you know, especially when you coming in
the league and you have as much success that I've
had in New York.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
You know, I feel like people be waiting to see
you not have your best game.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
So what I've learned is like, obviously every game that
I play is not going to be the greatest, you know,
but I don't think I really have like horrible, horrible games.
It'd be like all right, cool, I played decent this game,
But my decent games they look at it is like
I played horrible, right, But if it's somebody that's not
in the New York market, it's like my decent game

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would be like a pretty good game for the person
who's not in the New York market, you know. So
that's what this year has made me understand, because obviously,
if we were winning, it wouldn't be a huge deal.
But you got when we're not winning as much, you know,
it's an extra emphasis on everybody, you know, especially when
you have these diehard Jets fans who were like they've

(20:55):
been waiting for us to make the playoffs for the longest,
They've been waiting for us to win the super Bowl
for the longest. So I understand, you know, I understand
where it all comes from.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
You know.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
And yeah, yeah, I mean, look, if anybody feels you
you know, I wasn't in a New York market, but
I had a lot of spotlight on me and our team,
you know, because the success we had and leading the boom,
and I just talked the most shit, you know what
I mean, I'm talking cash out there, like I'm not
really feeling all this nonsense they talking about.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
And so you know, every game they want you to fail.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
I god, damn, have an eight pick season my second
year I'm all pro. They tell me I'm a bum.
I'm like, I got eight books. I didn't shut down
everybody y'all put in front of me. And y'all then
the next year, I lead the league in picks, another
eight picks, We win the Super Bowl, number one defense
in the world, up for Defensive Player of the Year.
They still talking, he's slow. It's the scheme. It's this,

(21:47):
I said, Why ain't nobody else getting eight books in
the scheme? Exactly why there's so many people running this scheme.
It ain't nobody else having it's kind of success. Maybe
I'm one of them. And then the next year, you know,
all Pro, and they're still you know what I mean.
So after a while you got to sit there and
be like, man, maybe people just want to hate.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah, yeh.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
They look for you to have one bad play if
I give up a catch. I gave up a slant
one time to Keenan Allen. I never forget it. It
was the twenty fourteen twenty fifteen season, and I mean,
when I tell you, it was plastered all over ESPN.
This is a slant and I'm dead tired. It's one
hundred and twenty. It's like the twelfth player to drive.
I'm dead out there. I ain't gonna lie. And it's

(22:27):
like he just came off the sideline. I just ran
a gold round. I'm like breathing, and so he outside
released me. So you know, I go for the fade
and then he's running slant. I just head whip it
and I'm just like get him to the ground, like
I'm tired. You know, hey boy, they got that plastered everywhere.
He's exposed, like they exposed and they finally showed everybody
he can't play.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
I said a slant. Yeah, Like y'all got to be
getting me. Man.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
I feel like I think that they don't know what
we like, what it took for us to get there,
you know. So it's like they don't understand and you
have to think about the whole other side where it's
like people really betting on the games, so it's like
a lot of the anger be from that, you know.
So it took me a minute the process, Like, bro,
I mean I get I just missed the tackle that

(23:12):
went for like five six yards, but like this.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Is the end of the world, Like what do we like,
what are we doing? I play corner.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
I'm not saying corners only need to cover because I
used to say that a lot corners covered, but like
a complete corner is the best corner thousand percent.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
But as a corner, matter of fact, not even just
a corner.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
As a defender, you gonna misscackles every now and then
you go, that's just what That's just what it is,
you know what I'm saying. Back linebackers, d lineman, corner safeties,
everybody gonn miss tacles that you know at some point,
you know, so that is what it is. But you know,
sometimes I feel like they think we robots, like you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
And you're totally right.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
They have unrealistic expectations, like there are miss tackles where
you're like, man, I'm but one thing I'll say is
like y'all don't care more than we can, you know what.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
I mean, Like they don't care more than you care. Bro,
I had a tackle I had to tackle.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
I had to tackle that I missed against the Texans,
they threw the flat route.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
I'll go low.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Quincy bumping to me because he's going for the tackle
as well. So I bounced off of him and I
bounce off my shorts. They say I watched a TV copy.
It's like, yeah, man, this is something that they're saying
that he has to improve. Obviously, I want to improve
in everything. But it wasn't like I just ran up
to him and just missed the tackle. You know what
I'm saying. It's just, yeah, it's just stuff like that.

(24:32):
I don't really pay attention to it no more. But
it's just stuff like that where it's like, what are
we What are we talking about?

Speaker 2 (24:39):
It's just something to talk about, Like they gonna pick
your game part, They're gonna, they're gonna. They always kept saying,
you know what I mean, even when I'm having crazy
two sets, They're like, yeah, but he's slow. I'm like,
y'all really think I'm out here picking every goal route
that's out there, and I'm slow, like y'all, y'all, like
y'all gotta be on drug. Y'all think the receiver running
four three and I'm just out here running four six

(24:59):
and I'm just the same speed as him going up
catch the ball, bringing it down and it just be nonsense.
And so you gotta understand. You got to keep the
main thing the main thing, you know what I mean,
get better with what you can, get better at, work
on your craft, and keep just challenging yourself because nobody
wants it better than more than you. Nobody has higher

(25:20):
expectations for yourself than you do.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
And Bro, it had been, it had been days where
I couldn't sleep.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
I'm giving up a twenty yard past and that's my
only completion and that's my only reception of the.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Day allowed on me. Bro, Just like, Bro, I really
could I could have. I really should have.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
I'm my biggest credit. Y'all don't gotta Hey, I wanted
I wanted the baddest. My coach don't want it more
than me. Y'all don't want to. So just like you said, Bro,
like I'll really be having them days where it's like, Bro,
I'm over I over critique myself, you know what I'm mean?

Speaker 1 (25:50):
That's just right I am.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
And And they sometimes let the results like dictate they feelings,
like like when I'm playing well, I'm preparing well. When
I didn't play well, still prepared well. I guarantee you
I still put the time in, put the work in,
put the energy in. I gave it everything I had.
They just had a better day than me. That happens.
I'm a human being, Like I might have stumbled on this,
I might have saw something different than what it was,

(26:13):
but I guarantee you, I still put the work in
to get there. You're like, it's gonna work out for you.
You stay with that formula, brother, it's gonna work out
exactly like it's opposed to. And it's gonna work out
like that for the team. Sometimes it's just being able
to have that mindset and allow other people around you
to elevate too. It's hard because we play corner, so
corner is such an individual. Like I'm in this world,

(26:35):
y'all don't understand. I got a lot of space and
a lot of great athletes I gotta.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Deal with all day exactly.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
But in order to be a great defense and a
great team, and y'all have been a great defense. But
since you've been there, you know, with Salah, and we're
gonna talk about Salah in a little while, but you
just got to keep encouraging each other. And it's a
lot of what Davante's talking about when he came in.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
That's when in culture it's about celebrating. Like if you
start practices, you think we were crazed dogs and we
on the sideline. You you sitting there looking at all
pros on the sideline getting super hyped for this practice.
Squad kid make batting the past down and you're like, bro,
who's this day getting excited for? Is he been gonna
make the team? It's like, it ain't about him making
the team. It's about us celebrating everybody's success. Like I

(27:22):
care about him winning. We worked hard, he in the
film room, we in a film room winning. We see
how how hard he working, how much better he's gotten,
and we want him to show, want to show how
much we care that he's out there putting the work
and he's having success. And when you do that on
a big scheme, everybody feels like they matter. Everybody's putting
in the work. So then everybody wants to say put

(27:42):
the same effort in that you're putting in.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah, yeah, I feel that. Sure.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, But talk to me about Salad because you you
talked about playing for Salah and obviously you've been playing
for Brick the whole year and and you know he's
been your coordinator.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
That move just seemed crazy. I talked to DJ about it.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
He seemed to be like, call off guard by it,
and just you know, it just was unexpected, not you know,
you guys don't have any control over what happens and
who gets hired and fired, but talk about your mindset.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
When that happened and I.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Was shot, you know, I wasn't on Twitter, uh during
that time. So my agent just text me. He was like,
how you feel about the news, And I didn't even
know what he was talking about. I just asked him, like,
is it bad bad news? Like or is it just
bad news? It's like bad bad news. And I just
typed in the New York Jets and that's all I
could see. That's all I could see on Google Bro.

(28:32):
So I'm like, man, it's crazy. Wouldn't expecting it because
our record wasn't even that bad at the time, you
know what I'm saying. I don't remember what it was,
but it wasn't and three. Yeah, it was two and three,
So you know, it kind of kind of caught me
off guard.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
You know.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
I remember I text him, told him I love him,
and I appreciate him because he he really was a
huge reason why my family life shames, you know.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
So you know, we still talk. You know. He called
me the other the other which was it like a
week ago, a week some change ago, and was like, hey,
make sure y'all out there having fun. Man, I see
all of Hey.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
It looks like y'all not having as much fun right now.
Make sure y'all celebrating everything. I'm like, you're right, coach,
you know, And it starts with me. Let me make
sure I'm not making this just feel like a job.
Let me make sure that I'm treating this like it's
my passion, because it's really what it is is this
is my life. And you know, I addressed that with
the defense, and you know, I feel like we all
took them to it's a matter.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
I mean, I respect that he wants he still wants
y'all team to do well, you know, And that's all
he keeps when I talk to him. He's like, bro,
I want him to make the playoffs. I want I
want to see my guys have success. They earned it,
they deserve it, you know. And and that's hard, you
know what I mean, because I'm a spiteful kind of dude.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
So you you you know what I mean. And I
don't think it has anything to.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Do with y'all, but the owner doing that to me
as a person personally, i'd be like, man for all that,
I'm done with all this, you know. But y'alla ain't
that kind of guy. You know, he's still like he's
hurt by that. You know, he thinks he should have
been given an opportunity to have a full you know,
seven team games with airing at the helm and his guys,
you know what I mean, let him see that it

(30:05):
ain't gonna work, or it is gonna work. I think
y'all still got a great team, just when it comes
to defense, like even missing tackles, like when you swarm,
it don't matter, like everybody gets there, then nobody even
noticed you missed the tackle because the next person hitting
him up half a second later. And so miss tackles

(30:25):
only show up when the effort of everybody isn't there.
And I'm not talking about your staff, monsters, Because it
looked like Quinn be all over the place like project roaches,
and so does Quincy and so does CJ when he's
out there, and the d line. But it has to
be like habits in practice, Like every single play, we
only out there three faux plays before they rotate the
twoes in. So it's like, for three fold plays, can

(30:48):
everybody get to the ball, Like even backside corner, can
you just come tag off? Even if you tagging off
right as he goes into the huddle? Fuck it Like
it's a mentality. It's a mindset every single time. So
then when we get out there on game, like it's given,
like you don't even have a choice. Your body just
starts going. You're like, man, what my dope, Mama still
running all the way over there, they already tackling. But

(31:08):
when it becomes happened, you start running, you start having fun,
and you start hitting people, and you start like you
start swarming, and people don't want to go play with you.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Right right now, I feel like I feel like I
definitely feel like when you run into the ball, that's
when it starts like having fun out there, like because
you sacrificing your energy for the man next to you.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
You know, I'm speaking on behalf of Like if you
the backside corner, are you gonna make the play?

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Probably not, but you never know. You never know what's happens.
So you know, that's just one of those things where
it's like, man, we all got to be swarming. Like
you said, if everybody swarming, somebody miss a tackle, getting
cleaned up right right now. But we're like, if it's
not no effort, then he gonna miss it. If somebody
miss a tackle gain another team yards, then it's like,

(31:51):
such a sens has to make that play.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Such sess has to make that tackle.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
What is he doing when it's so much it's a
team sport, getting into team, eat off, run it to
the ball, all of that, all of that, and it
takes everybody, and a rising tide lifts all ships.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
If everybody's swarming, everybody looks good, everybody, you know what
I mean, nobody's looking like they're missing tackles. It just
looks like, damn, this New York just defense is all
over the place like what has gotten into them? Like
they craized dogs. And a lot of times that's used
to be how we work, you know what I mean,
Because and I give Earl Thomas a lot of credit,
you know what I mean, we had a lot of
talent on this defense. But when you talk about practice

(32:27):
a tone Cetter at practice. That boy is full speed
and walk through practice. I don't give a damn if
we in a hotel ballroom like full speed. If you
don't want even to go full speed, take him out. Yeah,
And so if he going at that pace, we must
go at that pace. So it ain't no choice. It
ain't know, like, man, we're gonna go. So we're gonna

(32:48):
go this what pace we going today? Ain't nobody ain't
no question. And then the offense just has to deal
with what we have to deal with because they're like,
we already know these boys. Is like, coach, don't put
the ones against the ones. You already know what these
dudes are on. Man, just put the tools out there.
Even feel like dealing with him, Yeah, yeah, now.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
I feel that it's crazy. I was about to take bro.
I've seen him player with Earl Thomas. He was in
he was in a post. He was in a post.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
The aint ran like a screen. He was the first
person to make them play on the screen. Like, I'm like, Bro,
how I to keep rolling the back were watching this
in the mid of the bed room.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
That was crazy. I'm like, oh yeah, he different And
he was the middlefield post safety us.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yes, like because his like in his brain, like he
watching so much film, so when he sees what he's
supposed to see like us play developing, like he know,
he trusts, like what you were talking about, Like no hesitation,
no doubt, no nothing, like he's trusting. I've watched fifty
hours of tape on his team, like I'm I'm I'm
going yeah. And so when you got five six dudes

(33:44):
out there, all just we locked in, we communicating everything.
So it's like even if he wrong, we're gonna cover it.
Like we're gonna get we're gonna get back, and we're
gonna get to play dead it.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
If if you're wrong, he didn't got a rough end
the pass or call out the middle of the field. Bro,
it was crazy. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Wow. Wow, Bro, he's the best. He's the best to
do it. Bro. And you know I gotta say that
because he I played with him and I saw him
every day. I feel that. But but I'm a big
fan of your game. Brother. I loved you when you
when you came in.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
I loved you, know the all pros and all that,
but I loved your press, your footwork, Obviously I talked
to Salad all.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
The time, and you know what I mean, I talk
to you as much as I could.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
When you know, he asked me to call you and
give you my two cents or I try to text
you and give my two cents, because he just wanted
the best for you. But if you got any questions
for me or anything you want to ask me, man,
I'd be happy to answer.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah, most definitely.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Man, We're gonna stay in touch like you, Like you said,
solid definitely want it was best with me, Bro, And
I appreciate you for you know, always hitting me up
when you could tell me give me some tipts, Bro,
because it definitely helped me.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Definitely, No matter how how big I get all pros,
pro bos, none of that, Bro, Like, I'm always gonna
be a sponge, you know, always gonna be willing to
line you know what I'm saying, never gonna get the
big heads.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
So no, I definitely appreciate that. No, I appreciate you, man.
It's you. You've been incredible and obviously starting as fast
as you did.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Just keep on doing what you're doing, stay humble, love
on your family and and stay on the Grindstone, and
like I told you, just don't let these people get
to you and get you out of character. The same
thing I told you the other day is because that's
all they waiting for. They waiting for you to get
out of character, to be like just like they waiting
for you to make a mistake and get beat on
the play, you know, so they could say I told
you so.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
I told you you wasn't like that. I told you
just a kid from Detroit. He just that.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
That's just that Detroit. And I mean we knew it
the whole time. We just was waiting for it to
show up exactly. Just keep you know what I mean,
you're pros pro you You've handled everything beautifully. You've handled
the start of your career incredibly. Just keep on keeping on, man,
and keep and keep my boy DJ Reid humble and
get them snacks, them rookies.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Gonna get oh bro speaking to that. No, don't get
me wrong, DJ DJ bro like here, cool here, cool back.
He definitely ain't how you was.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
I heard some stories about you with them snacks man,
But man, DJ DJ been doing this thing this year.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Bro. He definitely a guy that I always watched.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
We always picking each other's brains, Bro, So it's great
being in the same room as him. Speaking of a snack,
the snacks we got Quanta stickers, right, Quanti STI. I
can't even call him his nickname, man. So we still
ain't got no snacks, oh, he say? He say, Man,
we got the Thursday night game. DJ like, Bro, where
the snack?

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Say DJ? If you on his bad side, it's something
that you did wrong. You know what I'm saying. That's
just how he is.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Like. He ain't got no ego, he ain't got like
he he hell a cool. So still say, uh, nah, Bro,
we got we got three he said. He said like this, Nah, Bro,
we got three days off at the Thursday night game.
So you know, I'm gonna just wait till we get back,
like what, But then we're like all right, cool gool coole.
We get back yesterday, which is Monday. The snacks still

(36:58):
out there, he say, BRO went out of time.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Bro. I'll have one back on home, BRO. So how
do we DJ said, don't he said, don't worry. Aboudy
and Ricky Dinner gonna be a movie. It's gonna be
a movie.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
It's gonna be silly, silly, dun't see y'all better than me,
because because we used to get the cars told and stuff.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Like that, like one falls and.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
All of it rolls like everything right like, and they
don't uite get mad. Ain't no fighting, y'all, ain't gonna
fight me over this. Like, be a rookie and do
the simple stuff we're asking. Are there's consequences, And I'm
just gonna get your car told somewhere where you can't
find it, and then I'm gonna we're gonna be done
with it. Go go walk seven miles. It's at the
store right over there, and then next time you'll have

(37:43):
my snacks. Man, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta take
that one. I ain't even know.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
I ain't even know you could do that. Okay, you
can do whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Talk to the security, get the gate open, Hey, toe truck,
is this car right here, put it on the truck.
We're gonna take it right here to this safe area.
And he walking home to day, Like, go ahead and
walk and get it, and next time you give me
my snacks and we don't.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Have no problem. All right. I'm stealing that one. I'm
stealing that one. I'm gonna let him know ahead of
time too.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Hey, yeah, is either you gonna get the snacks or
you know what I'm saying, you gotta walk to your car.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
The coldest thing I ever heard of a vet doing
to a rook is as Jared Allen. They said, Jared
Allen got a barn built around a dual car. They
got his because I guess they had a field across
from the facility. And they said he told the car
to the field and had them build a barn around
it and thought.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
His car was stolen for like a week. What that's crazy.
That's crazy, Bro, Yes, sick, yeah, Bro, Bro, I love
DJ Man. He's a good dude. He's a good human being.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
He's a human I've never seen him mad until the
snack situation. I've never seen him mad until this year,
right situation. Right, that's kind of crazy, brus So I
tell him, I'm like, Bro, I ain't never seen DJ Man.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
So if he mad, you can't keep making.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Excuses, bro, like you because my rookiear they helped me
pay for my rookie dinner.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
I'm gonna tell you why.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
I had a situation where I said, Bro, this is
all I'm at this I tried to keep it a hundred,
like I try to be like, Bro, this is.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
All I asks, Bro, just don't get to buy hell
of stuff that y'all ain't gonna eat.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Bro. I feel like I got the respect. I feel
like we got the mutual respect where it's like we're
gonna be We're gonna be respectful for this dinner. So basically,
if y'all want to get food that y'all can eat
for a few days, go ahead. If y'all want to
get some drinks that y'all have with you, but don't
just get stuff and just leave it on the table.
Like I don't heard all type of rookie dinners where
people just get hell and stuff and just leave it

(39:45):
on the table. They ain't even gonna touch it. But
with me, it wasn't even events and the players that
tried to get over on me. It was the restaurant. Oh,
the restaurant was bringing flashes in for five k apiece
were just looking like, hold on, I get the bill.
It's said like twenty some thousands. I'm like, I ain't
gonna lie, Bro. You know you know we like in Bro,

(40:07):
I ain't gona lie.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
I can't pay this y'all. It ain't even off the strimp.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
But like y'all like a lot of this and stuff,
y'all didn't even eat, or a lot of y'all didn't
even order. Like only one person ordered some food and
it was Michael Carter. Everybody else is sitting there and
they just eating it. But they not understanding, like these
people trying to get over on it. So they see
the bill, like hold on because they tried to look
out like they ain't trying to do no right. They
wasn't trying to kill you. They weren't trying to kill me.

(40:31):
So I ended up paying. They're like ten you know,
other people just throwing there like a thousand, just like
some little calm thousand and we got the bill pay.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
But I said, like, we can't go there no more,
like no rooge, I wouldn't even want.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
To do that to the like even stick even though
even though he doing what he doing with the snacks,
Like we.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Got to get it in a different way, like yo,
y'all gotta get it even if we try to get
over on them and hit them over the head a
little bit. Us.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Plus the restaurant, the yeah, don't kidding like that That's
what I'm saying, man. So you know, we we definitely
gotta something, gotta give some gotta for sure. Man, every
rookie dinner we had, we never had. No nobody drafted, hired,
and then third, I don't think. And then that was

(41:21):
like my last year, we had a third round pick.
I think we had Shaq Griffin went third, and anytime
I just didn't feel right killing them. We just messed
with him, you know, I mean, we act, we order
an you know what I mean, all this other nonsense.
We'll order big steaks, bill will come out to like
four grand or something. We'll probably play pay half of
it and let them pay two grand or something. We
ain't killing them doing crazy. Feel like that's how it

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should be, you know, as long as the rookie doing
what he's supposed.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
To do, you know, right, have my snacks or or
get ignorant. If you don't have a snack, then it
gets different. But also, I want to talk to you
off these py calls and holding calls. Don't say nothing
because I don't want you to get fined. It's been
some god damn bull crap. And I just said it.
When DJ was on here, there was like two or
three games. That Buffalo game was silly. That Buffalo game,

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I said, Hey, this is the first time I'm gonna
say they cheating these boys.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Now, if you look.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Around the league, like you, if you look around the league,
you will see, like everybody probably got more PI calls
than they've had they I know, me, I think now
it's I haven't seen it, but I have more than
I've had the last couple of years.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Because we were talking about it in my me room.
I think DJ, dude, I think bro.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Really everybody you could think of it, you know. So,
I mean a lot of the concepts look the same.
A lot of the corners try to play it the same,
even if they have different bills. Like so, it's like
I see the same stuff, same concepts, the same hip slips,
the sameeness and that same day. And it's like sometimes
you see it get called sometimes don't. Like I remember, like, uh,

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it was a play on we was playing the Patriots
and Gonzales. He grabbed devonce arm a little bit and
they didn't call a piare or holding or nothing like that.
Me as a corner, I'm like, he's just playing physical.
That's how I look at it. As a corner, so like, hey,
if you throw the penalty, he was playing physical. If

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you don't throw the penalty, he was playing piscical.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
It just is who it is.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
And then the other one, they called another one and
it was his great defense, like he didn't grab him,
none of that, but they called it. But I feel like,
you know, the rest aren't human. So I feel like
sometimes they might call it a flag if they feel
like they probably missed it previously. Like they might call
a close one, So say, if it's if it's a
blatant one, dang, I.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Ain't call that one.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
If it's one that's a little close or could possibly be,
they gonna.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Throw that one. You know what I'm saying. This is
your third year in the league, right, I'm gonna give you.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
I'm gonna give you some some game that I got
as a rookie, and it's gonna sound crazy, and maybe
you don't use it.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Every week.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
They have that you get that sheet with everybody's name
on it and all that in your locker. Right, they
also have a sheet with every referee name on it.
Does Brick or chiltte ever go over there with y'all.
We've been we've been going we started. We started going
over it after Minnesota game. Because Minnesota game.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
I had bro They hit me for every penalty it
was to hit me for.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
I got here with a defensive holder, I got here
with a illegal contact, and I got here with a
PR and.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Two.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Well all three of the balls was uncatchable. One of them.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
I was just like this, this is like different because
it was a little fadure out. I'm chest to chest
looking back for the ball. The ball was strong all
the way.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Out of bounds, and they called you. I remember that.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
I was just like, I go back, I go back
to solond I'm like, solid, t o, how do I
play the back shoulder if it's not Chess's chests looking
through the man looking back for the ball.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Salad come up to me, like, play your game, keep
playing your game.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
So I'm like to hear that from a coacause when
you get them pilloties, you're thinking like, damn, I'm hurting
the team.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Hey I just did this. Hey I just when you
heard the coach say that, he realassure you.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Like, all right, let me just keep doing what I'm
doing because they probably understanding where I'm coming from, right, you.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Know, So just to be able to hear that that
was that's cool. That's one thing that Sala always did.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
If I was tripping on something, Sala gonna tell me, hey,
you tripping, Hey do this better, Hey, you can do
this better. And every time it was always off of like,
I know he said it out of love. I know
he's saying it because he wont was best for me,
because he won, was best for the team. If he
ever told me, like, keep playing your game, then I know, like,
all right, he understanding the lives.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Okay, okay, cool, That's what I'm gonna do. Right. So
that's just how I've handled it. Man.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
I don't never try to snap on the rests. I
don't ever try to, you know, just say certain things.
It's just you got receivers right now that will be
running their route, mere route. They leaning up against you.
So it's like, okay, you leaning up against me. You
run an inside release, some outside levers right on your outside.
You're leaning up against me. Am I supposed to just

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do this? Or am I supposed to stay latched like this?

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Hands low? Okay? Cool? But bro, it's just a little different.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
It's look, look, they got DJ for something.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
I taught him as a rookie, and I felt so
sick about it because I taught him like if somebody pushed,
like keep the arm and make them one hand, put
you on sports center, pull through and go for it.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
So it's gonna be like, hey, I got that arm
pulled through, reach put your other arm and go for it.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
And so he did it, and they called it, and
I said, bro, they never and there's no way he
could have saw it because you looking from there the
receivers back to you.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
He grabbing this on there's no way you throwing out.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
But another thing on that play, he didn't even reach
and pool and accelerate, like he just had his arm
and was running like DJ is still running his normal
speed and just had his arm, like he didn't try
to like do what you said, like pool and accelerate,
because you got to think the receiver could have possibly
flopped it stuff if he did that. He just ran
and the receiver just doing like I think he's talking

(47:17):
about the Bills game, but I think I think he's
had got that one called yeah, because he got that
one called against New England Thornton and against Buffalo, both
of the same ones where it's like, is the ball catchable? No?

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Is he slowing his speed down? Lo, the receiver's arm
is out.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Is he just gonna run and just be like blocked
off by the hand and just be running into his hand? No?

Speaker 1 (47:43):
So what he is he gonna do? Grab the arm?

Speaker 3 (47:46):
You know?

Speaker 2 (47:47):
But Bro, the one Jefferson he ran that outer that
seven cut on DJ and tried to brush off and DJ, great.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
D great defense, great defense. If it's something crazy. If
it's something bro, this is how it's up. Bro, if
it's a.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Crazy PI or crazy holding, we literally be like, nah,
that's you ain't have to do that.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
I didn't had times about it, told DJ, yeah, you
ain't have to do.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
That right there because you already and it's been time
with DJ, so you ain't have to do that right
there because you're in a good position to trust up speed.
And that tell us us, bro, you hell a fact,
Like we always we be coaching ourselves. So by the
time by the time T come up to us, a
solid couple a brick come up to us to tell
us like, hey, yeah you ain't we already it went over.
We're good, coach, were good. We ain't got to worry

(48:31):
about it. You know, you know, that's just that's the
chemistry that me and DJ got. But yeah, man, it's
definitely been rough. Obviously we've been able to watch football
and just see like these PR calls and each hold
costs throughout the league has been crazy. But I remember
that Minnesota game. We think like, bro, is it is
it us? Like, is these people have to get us?

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Like what's going on?

Speaker 2 (48:52):
That's what it looked like that game, because they might
have got you like three times in one drive. I
think it was like two or three times. And I
was like, oh, like.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
They got they got me off the they got me
off the whip off, the whip rout that Addison and
on even grazed they got me off that.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
I'm like, I was, I went to the sideline.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
I'm understand like if this is my rookie year, I
threw a helmet kick some all that, but I'm understanding
like the effect that I got on everybody else, And
it's like if I do this, then other people go
if they get mad, they feel like they're good. All right, SA,
Calm down, you got a lot of football to be
a lot of It's a lot of football to be played.
Calm down, you know, but sometimes you can't get a

(49:34):
little frustrated, you know, right, But that's growth.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
That's growth showing showing a little growth for your three
year three growth, you know.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Yeah, So back to this growth. These reps got names
and they got families, and they people. They normal people.
And this is a trick they taught me early on. Bro.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
I would know the names. I would I.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Would probably either know one fact, because we always had
this researcher that he just would tell me stuff about
him because he that's just what do you want to
call bighead Todd.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
We just he just would help.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
And so like, I don't know if they kids went
to a certain school or if they went to a
certain score, are they fans of like Bama or you
know what I mean? Texas saying them and you know
they lost that week or they won and be like, man,
I see your Texas ay and m team boy. They
doing it this year, and it'd be like, man, Josh, Man,
I appreciate you this year. Like Bro, I'm telling you,
you get in the game, and I didn't got more

(50:26):
warnings than anybody come up to you and be like hey, hey, Searan,
come on, man, I could have got you, right there.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
I appreciate and the ref and.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
The receiver over there, Custody mouth like hey, I'm like, hey,
come on now, Hey, don't talk to Jason like that.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Hey, come on, got to steal that. Come on telling you?
I know no.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
This is the day that got me though. Were playing Pittsburg.
Right first drive Van Jefferson, he run like over the
ball city he pushed, He pushed off.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Hella. I'm like, come on, ref, come on, ref, George,
because he running around he pushed off. Hella. I tell
I talked to the ref. Matter of fact, I talked
to that ref before the game. I don't I don't
know his name.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
I'm like, ref, just know there's gonna be a physical
there's gonna be a physical matchup. He like pushing off.
Reff said, you know who you watched Hilm too. I
know he's a huge push off guy. We're gonna let
y'all play. He's talking about me and pickets, pickets.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Pushing on me.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
I'm looking back for the ball on the goal. I'm
not disrupted him at all. After the play he called
a p I I'm like, ref, what did I do?
Like you're pulling him? You'll stop him?

Speaker 1 (51:33):
I said.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
I did not pull him at all, like, not even
a little bit. Like I literally was chested chest and
I was running like vertical. I wasn't even laaning it
on him, like I looked.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
I looked through him.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Then I turned it the last minute hit the ball. Yeah,
I say, hey, Rev, you tell I looked at him.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
I looked at him.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
He probably bad for me because the way I said that,
I thought about it, like, did I really say it
like that?

Speaker 1 (51:57):
I'm like, hey, ref, he said, just let us lay today. Iver.
I know you probably thinking about that, like, damn, I
feel a little bad. I definitely did say I was
gonna let them play. But man, that was that was
one that hurt me. That was the one that hurt
the heart right there.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
You know right, I'm not gonna tell you it may not,
it may not do nothing, but just learn that dude name.
I'm telling you because they got numbers too, so you
ain't even got it. They got they usually when they
got the car, they got their faces and everything. But
if you you only got to know the back judges,
you know what I mean, That that that's down the field.
You could know the white hat you know what I mean? Easy,
But know that the judges and just be like instead

(52:35):
of ref you'd be like, hey, Terrence, Terrence, come on now, hey,
don't do me like that.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
You know, I got family to feed too, Okay, Like
you know, I promise you that little bit of human,
a little bit of him.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Yeah, make them feel, make them feel. But I'm always
talking to them though obviously I don't be knowing all
their names. But bro me, I like interacting with people
in general, especially people in the football field.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
So like we a lot of them already familiar with
who I am. And I didn't seen him before, even
one of the refs.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
One of the refs coached my state championship game in
high school. Wow, yes, And I don't even know if
it was just my state championship. He like, he coaching
Detroit a lot, Bro, So I'll be seeing him already,
be knowing who he is, you know. So some of
them I'm more familiar with the others. But I'm definitely
gonna take that tactic right there. You know, it's a tactic,

(53:26):
but for real, for it's just being human decency, you know,
you know, they name man and that's just obviously them
giving you some graces.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Just he was gonna come with it.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
But yeah, everybody on the field y'all all grown man.
So just being able to know their name and stuff
like that, that's that's cool.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
And give them a little bit more respect, you know
what I mean, shows that Hey, I'm acknowledging that you're
a human being and you're not just a ref out here.
You know what I mean, You're a person.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
I know your name, you know my name? Yeah, help
a brother out. Yeah yeah yeah, Like.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Let me play my game and not you know what
I mean, I don't need no nonsense if it look,
if you give me two warnings or one warning, that's
one less flag I got in this game, one last
first down, you know, because they'll callt some bs backside
and it'd be like, bro, he wasn't even looking over here.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's happened to me before.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
The gun shooters get you out too. That's what I'm saying.
Every great corner, if he ain't been scored on, he
ain't great. Yeah yeah, because you don't know what you
are until you get scored on. He'll have a rough
game and then you gotta respond. Yeah yeah, that is
it is shrue, ma, But I appreciate you man, I
don't want to take no more time on you off day.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
We can sit here and talk all day. Man. Good.
I appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Man.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
I had a lot of fun, bro.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Yeah. Yeah, we'll get you back on next time when y'all,
when y'all make the playoffs this year, y'all make that
crazy run, and we'll be talking about.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
It, all right, cool, all right, brother. Appreciate you, man,
Appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
The volume