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October 14, 2025 41 mins

Richard Sherman and Darius “Big Play” Slay reunite for a no-filter conversation filled with raw football talk, locker room insights, and laughs. They discuss Aaron Rodgers’ vintage form, his chemistry with D.K. Metcalf, the Browns’ chaos — including Joe Flacco’s trade — and Sherman’s viral take on Myles Garrett’s loyalty, saying Garrett 'signed up for this” by staying with the Browns. They react to Tua calling out teammates, debate if Irvin and Sanders could dominate today’s NFL, and criticize PFF’s cornerback stats that upset Slay. Slay shares funny stories about Philly fans and social media, while Sherman gives his NFL power rankings and suggests Baker Mayfield might be an MVP underdog.

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast. And you know
what time it is. It's time to welcome our special
guests back to the show. My guy, big place, like,
how you doing, brother? What's good? My guy? I'm good man.
How you been? How you've been? I've been good, man,
I'm not as good as you. You got a little break,
y'all been winning? You made it back from Ireland? Tell
me safely, safely at that, you know what I'm saying.

(00:27):
But it was a good trip. Man.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
We're not never for sure to handle business. I got
a chance to go to Little City City.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
A little bit.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
But man, it was good though. Man, it was a
big time gang. The environment was good, the fans was
a sighting. It was great to show, you know, American
football out the country. So we had a good time.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Man. If somebody didn't run there, yeah, man, apparently we
had a guy that had that happen. Man. Thankfully they
look out one though, because I'd.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Have been a spiking on one of them island kids
people around there, man, and we don't play that around here,
you know, so right right right, you know what I'm saying.
We know, shout out to my boy man, you know,
he's doing well and he's hanging in there. He hanging
in there. He good though, But That'sho's telling something. They
need to bring the right ones with.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Him, right right right, all right, big br next time,
bring big play. Apparently, Hello, y'all, it is coming off
a big win against the Browns, a division opponent. Y'all
held him under ten points, played really well. Your offense
scored some points. It looks like the connection between DK
metcalf and and uh and Aaron Rodgers is getting better
and better. It looks like the defense is starting to jail.

(01:29):
There was question marks early in the season, a lot
of conversations, a lot of speculation of sorts about you know,
is this defense getting old? You know, a bunch of
old guys. But you know, sometimes when you don't play
together for a while and you start to feel each
other out, you start to figure it out. And it's
starting to look like you guys are coming together.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Oh yeah, man's this is the first time that we
had the complete defense.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
You know, a lot of guys went out week one.
You know, Joey went out week one, Shoe, Hayson Smith
went out weak one.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Shoot. It's been a lot of Deshaun with down we
won too.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
You know, we had guys that was in and out,
in and out on all both sides everywhere. So this
our first time actually playing together as one, you know,
as a complete healthy defense going into this game. And man,
I could say we did put on a great dominant performance,
but we left some players out there. You know, we
should have some more turnovers, but overall maybe played great. Man,
it was good to see us all out there and

(02:24):
it was fun. Man, I ain't gonna lie, man, it
was kind of fun. And then, uh, my first time
playing the AFC divisional game.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
You know, they I'm.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Trying to compare the love the NFC and AFC is.
I'm with the AFC right now, you know what I'm saying,
because it's light. But hey, the NFC Division games they
were a little bit They're a little different, man, you know,
right right right, But I understand the beating they say
over here, there's a lot of top run heavy and
trying to use you around here.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
But it was good. It was a good one for
my first time. Yeah, this division looking a little different
than it usually does. You know, usually you got multiple
MVP candidates playing for the other teams. In Burrow and Lamar,
both of them have been injured. You know, we haven't
heard when Burrow's coming back with Mars been down a
one to five, which is just insane. But talk about

(03:09):
talk about Ion Rodgers and how he's been because he's
looking very vintage right now. Hey, look a robbing in
his bag.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Man, he Hey, look, even making a lot of plays.
I must say that, man, watching that, watching him on offense,
him and DK with a very much connection. Man, it's
getting great. It's getting better and better each and every week.
As you see, he getting way more comforting with a
lot of guys and starting to make a lot more
plays with other guys too as well. Even though DK
is having a monster I think he scored a touchdown
in the last four or five games, and he's not
playing right now. He's on his hot horse right now.

(03:38):
But man, a Rodgers, he controlling the offense. Uh, and
we do all we need to.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Do, man, I think right now, like I said, try
to tell.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
For us, even though Aaron Rodgers wants to be the
MVP player, he's as he always been. You know, of
course he's playing out at the great level right now.
But of course with the run game working right now,
that gives him a break, you know, and the defense
playing as good as we need to, that gives them break.
So were trying to do everything with our power to
make sure that a Rod don't have to d a Rod.
You know what I'm saying, Not to discourage him and

(04:06):
that like that, because he still had that ability. But
we don't want to be that great.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
But but but but big play, big play, y'all. Y'all
defense played really well. Y'all had six sacks. Jayalen Ramsey
had two, and yeah, the word is he was playing
injured and went out there and gave it everything he
got it. That was pretty cool to hear. But y'all
let the rookie throw fifty two times and nobody booked him. Hey,
that's what we just talked about today. Bro.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
We dropped four of them. You know what I'm saying,
four of the boys. What I'm saying, that's what we said.
That's why I say we got to get a little.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Little little bit better man. We dropped for him, my boy,
my boy one. He came from Cleveland. Cleveland released him.
He had two opportunities and dropped both on one of
the hit him in his face, you know what I'm saying.
And one of them, he got in my way.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
I was in the picket and he I was like, hey,
but look here, if you don't want it, please, I'm
trying to get in this third club and you got
here playing right right.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
You know what I'm saying. I could have had one
two as well. So but y'all just did want your
door to get something in the game. I understand y'all
didn't y'all y'all didn't want to pick him off four
times and let get Shador get some momentum and get
a chance to play. I'm starting to see what y'all doing.
Big play. Hey, he said, we tried to do that,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
But we we were he if he threw four him
or no, and he put him in there. We love
your door, hey, I got a lot of love for you,
your door, but shoot, we'd have been trying to pick
you four times too, you know, to bad that's the goal.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
We just you know, we just competitive, but hey, we're
trying to do our job. Man.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
So hey, we hopeful any one of them guys. Man,
we're looking forward to playing anyone on them.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
How was it? How was the rookie Dylan Gabriel. You know, obviously,
when you're veteran, you've been in this league, you expect
certain things from back quarterbacks. But a young guy comes in,
he doesn't know all the tricks. You can bade him
into a little bit more. You could show him a
little sugar and and and steal it. Well, obviously y'all
showed him a lot of sugar and didn't steal it.
But sheesh, come on, sir, man, get off of us. Man,

(05:54):
try no, no, y'all y'all boys, ain't y'all boys? Was
out there that boy doing fifty two times? Hey look
we tried, man, we tried. We dropped so many too
on tomorrow, so many. So I know that, I know
that Chinky, I know that fine Jorge full full of
man boy were going. He's going to have a nice
little trip playing for somewhere. What else is going on

(06:20):
with this team? Y'all got such a veteran team. It
seems like y'are getting healthy at the right time, offensive, thriving.
The rest of the teams in the division are starting
to struggle. What is the energy like in the building
right now? Uh?

Speaker 2 (06:32):
It's cool, man, you know one thing about Mike Man
might team keep it.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
He keeps the building mellow. There's no highros, no high raise.
He just you know, he just look at every day
as a day to be a day to get better.
So he keep us mellow. Man.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
We just know what kind of opportunity got in front
of us. And like I said, man, it's a little
different in the league because you know what I'm saying,
all you gotta do is whin your division to be
be you know it, no matter if you're an eight
and nineteen on. As you win your division, you smooth.
So uh, that's the goal and that's the plan as always.
So we just continue to take one game at a time.
And right now, you know, we just had one of
our division games. You got knowning the one coming up

(07:05):
this Thursday. So we gotta handle business man, because this
gives a jump start of ahead.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Of a lot of teams. Mike Mike teammate the headline
this week talking about Joe Barry, talking about Joe Barry
and what he did for the Cleveland Browns and trading
Joe flycou to a division opponent, division rival, and now
y'all got to play him this week in Cincinnati. What
did you think about that? I mean, it is kind
of weird. You don't hear very many times the guys

(07:31):
trading away a day one starter to a division opponent.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, that's why I was saying. I was surprised, you
know what I'm saying. I would have thought they went
to somewhere else, but they went in the division. Get
your team, like you'll start day one starter.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
So if y'all ever played each other again, when y'all
play each other again, he knows the playbook very handy well,
so he was the day one start on that end.
So it's like, I don't know, man, I don't know
if they if they just.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Riding the hog horse and just say we're Finnah throwing
the towel anyway or whatever, or see what we could
get for Joe to get ready for this next year,
to build behind these guys we got already here. But
that was wild to me. That's like, I don't know, man,
I never seen that. Of course, I said.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Back up a third string or soth and then and
then you see, you see, and this is what I
don't like. Look, I love Miles Garrett's death. Miles Garrett
was like they were like, Miles Garrett, are you are
you sick of losing the same way He's like, yeah,
I'm sick of losing. Look myuths mouth, Miles ah love,
I'm speaking to you direct. You chose to be a
Cleveland Brown. Everybody on this on this planet then called

(08:32):
the trade for you. You said, no, I'm gonna be
lower to Cleveland. Respect. Respect. This is what you're signing
up for a lifetime of this, a couple more years
of this, hey postseason, probably not super Bowl only. When
you go into the bathroom, that's what you signed up for.

(08:52):
But that was a good one. That's a bar. That
was a bar. Yeah, heye, like that's what he signed
up for. And it's like he ever if he was
ever available, every team will be sitting there count count
Nate coins to try to figure out how they could
get him in the building. Every ye, and I would
have guessed your guys in the Philadelphia would would be
number one on the list and somehow figure out how

(09:14):
to get him because they always doing something like that.
They're jail is the king of making moves like that. Yeah,
but Miles Garrett, everybody feels sorry for you, well felt
sorry for you. But it's harder to feel sorry for
you when you won't leave. You won't leave. He can't
expect you know, the definition of insanity big play is
doing the same thing over and over and over and

(09:37):
expecting a different result. You ain't getting a different result
out there, baby, they got young there in a rebuild number.
It was another one like DJ Caleb. The boy's been
in a ref and boys been in a rebuilding like
they're in a war zone. Every time they builds a building,
back up, back down, build it back up, they collapse

(10:00):
it every time.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Man, as soon as you feel like the house get
halfway done, it's just like the three little pigs come
blow it down.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, the big bad wolf comes and blows it down.
And the big bad wolf is everybody in your division.
They blow they blowing it down. I feel bad for him, man,
because he's a hell of fire player. Man won to
pint our.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Best players we ever see play this game in that
DM position, most generational time to you go see and
and probably would never ever get to taste that Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Well, yeah, I feel bad for him. I feel I
feel bad. I feel bad for him for sure.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Man, he is a damn good player too, man, damn
great player. That ain't good, That didn't great. He's great, great,
he's a great player. You're feeling good about y'all. Stadium?

Speaker 1 (10:40):
You know, I know y'all share the field with the
with the college team with University of Pittsburgh. But Aaron
Rodgers said today that that field is borderline unplayable. Did
you feel that way, y'all? You out there with the
screws here? Look look here. I never had to put
screw ends in America. You know what I say.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I did it out the country as you playing London,
all the grass slipping, they got sockle field. This this
game here, like after just being this time, it's my
second time playing in the stadium as a home game,
and the fact that I feel like I'm playing in
saying it's not no offense to the stadium. Like the
stadium is amazing, the atmosphere is amazing. It's just like, hey, man,

(11:20):
like this is bad. Like I'm running in sand a
little bit. And and I watched our kicker. Man, he
he did about broken l ainto trying to kick the ball,
and they're trying to mess up this money right there
because he was a perfect perfect right now, you know
what I'm saying. And he already had his time about
sitting out, bought a little deal, trying to get some money,
and I.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Know them GMS, they gonna bring that up. You miss one, right, hey,
you got a very specific set of skills.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, in this one though, you can't miss and you
miss one, and then they're gon blame no grass.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
They're gonna bring no nothing of that, they go.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
So, uh man, you know what I'm saying, as trying
to one year deal, so I ain't gonna be the.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
One to change it, gonna be the one to change
big play change.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
I love everything about Pittsburgh, but boy, that feel is
a little a little something else that I ain't gonna
lie about that, you know USU y'all probably like, be
it bad at it?

Speaker 1 (12:12):
I'm like, no, I can't. I'm a dB.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
And if I did up top pork chop because because
I'm stuck in sand, slip or you slip slay your trash,
get him out of here. Oh he's old now and
everything in.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
The book right, They waiting to say that they already
got that message. Tight slate your trash. They waiting they
head to enter he better than yeah, damn man five,
I already know it. Man, you know boy, I mean
my young days. Boy. Just after the game, I go
type my name in on Twilter, see what they be
talking about. So you're crazy.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
I want to cope some people. I used to do
it a heavy. I just do it real bad. My
head stopped. I had to stop. That doesn't get to.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Me a little bit. Yeah, yeah, get to you, get
to your spirit. Don't let it get in there. Get
in my spirit. Speaking of Joe flac Oh, y'all got
to play this week on a short, short week. Your guy,
Joey Porter Jr. Said, this is what y'all built for.
This is what y'all brought you and Big Ramsey and
and got him to deal with these guys, to deal
with Higgins and Jamar Chase, the big dogs, and and

(13:15):
and the other receiver who I don't want to even
name right now because he couldn't catch a cold in
the snow stored last week. I felt bad, I said,
I said, I don't know they had they would have
had a chance in that game, had had had Yosavash
just caught a few passes. I mean, you could understand
the tough ones, but I'm like Jesus Jesus routine. You

(13:36):
know what I mean. If you ain't got these and
you are receiving, you don't need to be out there,
not one hundred percent to watch the game. I haven't
be watched the games. Ibody to check that out. Don't worry,
it's on the tape. It's on the tape. That boy
slid open, curl open. Can't happen, damn fly. But but

(14:03):
tell me how you feeling about these dudes coming into
this game. Man, I'm great, man, It's gonna be a
great matcher, man. I know.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
That's the first thing Mike T told us when me
and Rams got here. Man, you know, we got some
dominant guys in the division. That's you know, some receivers
at this level. Sou and he specifically said his day
and his teams this and that, you know, with Chase
and the Moors over it.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
So, uh, it's gonna be a great match up man.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
I got I got a chance to play against them
guys last year except for h Higgins. Higgins didn't play
last year when I was in Philly, back guy playing
chance to play with Chase. Uh, both them tremendous, man,
they got both got tremendous talent. Both of them got
great catch radius.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
I for sure know that Jamar Chase is one of
the best yacht receivers I've probably seen in a long time.
He gave me the whole Old Dell vibe, you know,
except for O'Dell had great hands, but he's he ain't
had the best hands, you know what I'm saying. I
think Chase has some of the most best hands I've
seen that can get up field just like he's O'Dell
bevam like does put his foot in the ground and

(14:58):
get vertical. Uh, Because I watch to play last year, man,
when he caught that damn slant and on the Ravens
and got out of there, and then he had the
damn screen on the Ravens got up out of there
like his after the catch is just amazing.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Man.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
That's why he's one of the highest paid receiver the
league and one of the best in the business. It's
gonna be a great matchup, man, So I'm looking forward
to it, man, because hey, that's why I signed up
for And.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Well, I don't want to give away y'all game plan
or how are you telling nothing that that ain't out
there already, But is there any following this week? Because
I know Jalin, this is one of those games where
he will sit there and be like, I got one slave,
you got everybody else.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, it's uh, it's up and there right now because
we just had you know, it's a Thursday game.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
We just got done playing. So uh, I just left work,
you know what I'm saying. We just did a little mean,
just a little walk through so we ain't really go
down over the crazy report they're gonna give us to
the maar. But Hi, I know Jay, most likely that's
gonna be the idea. That's he's gona probably go be
the idea, you know Jay. And then you know, I
know how Jay is. Jay want his get back too,
because he didn't play the best way he could in

(16:02):
that super Bowl, and so he kind of wanted to
get back. I said, hey, yea, I said, look, everybody, everybody,
won't they get back. Sometimes you get back, it's hard
to get yup. They'd be hard to get though. And
sometimes don't don't get again when you're trying to get back.
You know, don't get again. I'm a preacher. Don't get
again when you're ready. I know it's gonna be a

(16:26):
good matchup. I look forward to seeing that they can't
block for flat. Oh, they ain't gonna be able to
stop T J. Watt and Cam and the Boys anyway
like the Boys had and boys got getting hot at
the right time. They bringing pressure Already, Cincinnati's offensive line
is one of the worst, if not the worst, offensive
lines in the National Football League. At some point, they
might call you to to get over there and getting away,

(16:46):
like I mean at this point, but uh on social media,
we're in your off week, big play. The fans caught
you in Philadelphia. Yeah, yeah, I think I love about you,
Slay You ain't wearing an old hoodie, you and you
and you in the mix.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
I'm in the like swe Well, that's that's one thing
about me I got. I probably need to start being that.
But I don't see myself as that, you know what
I'm saying, But some people see me as that. I'm like, man,
I'm a really a just a I be trying to
blend in, be a nice.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Guy and vibe out. But then uh, yeah, that ain't happenles.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
That was my worst time actually being a fan of
the game, because I never had Because I never had
that type of you know situation before.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
So you you just bought a ticket and came in.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Or they gave you no, no, no no. You know,
I'm like one thing about fitting now that's always home.
They love me there now, so I hit you know,
I got to put my boy a. J AJ got
a sweet ace and I hit my boy dom up down.
Say hey, you want to get a sweet or smothy sweet?
I said, no matter anyone that's open. I just got
a s just win in AJ's on man, chill his
family know we're a great friend, and that's my great friend.

(17:54):
We be chilling, not just supported my dudes, watch my
boy Q work and all the my little young boys.
So I'm always those love you know, I'm a That's
what I do man. So theyin't gonna never change about
me no matter where I'm at. If I got a
chance to show love to you know, a friend of
mine's in them kind of areas, I'm always going to.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Do that, no question. That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. Now.
You know, the NFL world needs fans. Philly fans some
of the toughest to deal with. So once you ain't
with him no more, you're against them. But I'm sure
they feeling a little different about big play because they
c B two. Situation right now is leaving a lot
to be desired. Young quin Yon. I was there. I
was there against the giants. I was out there. Oh no,

(18:30):
they had wan Dale, they had they had THEO Johnson,
they had uh they they didn't don't hire it. They
didn't have a ton out there. They didn't have a
ton of guys out there that were guys that you
would expect to have a lot of success. Wand Robinson
it has been having some success and he had a

(18:50):
good game, but once quin Yon went down with their
hair string. Yeah, it was tough out there. Many big peay.
All I saw was long days. All all was long days. Look, man,
it was tough. I was.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
It was hard for me to watch man, and I
love for I said, dang bro because my young guys,
a young guys to go. You know, I'm like, boy,
it looking bad out there, man, look at bad man.
So I'm I had to do some checking in with
my boys, man to try to get the look now, y'all, look,
I ain't I.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
You know I called you for Keeley when you first
got there.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, you know you do so they make sure he
say I got you, ain't you know, ain't no big
time with me.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
You know I got a shave and he's doing he
He just got to be consistent.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Man, if I've always been telling him, Man, steak anssisted,
Steay consisted. That's that's the only way you get stay
in this league. If you on everybody big play real,
you ain't gonna be there. You know, it don't matter
if it's if you somebody catch a little hits or whatever.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
That's cool. You tip me to do it. But if
you want them big play reels, Look, I live by that.
I'm staying on top. Look, y'all could throw hitches, I
tackle hitches and comebacks. If that's the game y'all want
to play. When y'all ball, I'm catching it and we'll
call it even every time, every time you've been negative.
But everybody think they just want to guard everything. Look,

(20:08):
it's a time and the place for that. I'm in
the place you want to survive a long time, right
we are? Man, were chasing everything than first second? Yeah, yeah,
throw it short because I'm deep. I'm deep. I'm deep,
and I'm playing the percentages. Did y'all just get an
explosive run. Are we within the fifty? Are we on
the logo because they might take a shot now you know,

(20:30):
see is it max protect? Look? Okay, I see this
backside post? All right, double dig? Okay, okay, I see
what'll y'all setting up.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
I'm trying to tell you. Look here, all I got
you gotta yeah one time with me? Oh y'all, just
god that oh explosive rhyn ay sleave. You're playing office play.
Ain't playing around, no no, but big play, big play.
They talking bad.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
About you now, PFF say this big play. One hundred
and twenty three yards since week four? This no, no, no, no,
this is what they said. Now this was made a
crazy They said a one hundred and twenty three yards.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Week four, not since week for week, for the whole week,
that whole damn week I gave. I said, y'all got
to be out your rabbit, Adam, I would have got
bitch and one hundred and twenty three yards on sleigh.
I would have been going crazy. I would have bixed myself.
First of all, you mean you wouldn't have to tell
me to y'all to field. That's why I know whoever
run this PFL.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Don't look down.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
I know y'all be doing something mess that. Probably type
in and say the nearest defender? Who is the nearest
defender to this? Y'all gots to know the difference between
man and his own? Please, y'all Because a hundred and
y'all got people tagging me like yeah, we knew slaves washed.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
I'm like, what the hell y'all watching like? Nobody had
two people go for one hundred yards on me and
and I'll tell you it was dkn and uh Davante
adam now and something.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Nobody else ain't going for No hunt done on sligh
like that. No serious, no, sir, I don't give it.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Damn is no.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
You can't even take turns. Try to get a hondy
y'a on me equal to a hundred y'all crazy, I'll
take myself out right right here. You gonna do me
like that? Sain't no damn saying the old damn who's
slave first? I'm just spankling you, spankling nobody doing that ship.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
I saw Xavian on there, and you know Xavian said, hey,
that's enough. He said, Hey, I Rother, go go spend
time with my family. If it's gonna be like this,
that's my dog. My dog and said hey, my dog
said hey, we like in it with the group. Chat
asked you good brother man, I'm going to stay with

(22:33):
my family. Bro. I'm just doing a well. I'm going home, Bro,
I got time for this ship. Hey, that boy said hey,
And I felt it. I felt the hes like and
you your body can't do what you know you your
mind is is capable of, and you want to you
gotta set a certain standard for yourself. You're like, bro,
I'm not about to keep going out there, and because
it hurts your soul.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah, hurts you deer it dude, because you were like,
ain't no way, I just get that up.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
And I know I do break that up. Nah, I
gotta go. Yeah, and the gondn't do it at halftime
like like I got or I p rest in peace,
my boy Brad. But yeah, at least he do that
rest of peace. He let it left the game get
over and the team doing well. They fired the one
right now, so what like the team was just bad?
But yeah, he just he was just tired. You could
tell that. It was more like I got time to

(23:17):
get no body red. I ain't got time for this
mess no more. I'm done, bro, just like my boys
did Darry Smith the same way.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
He said, he well, hey, they don't want have lost
to back to back man ship. The offense ain't kicking
a good as I want to a Jane getting this ball.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
I can see it. I see what is going. Let
me go home. Hey if my boys send it a goal.
But I hope the boys do get it right over
there bad because they got to get that shit right.
She got me hot over there them boy should be
doing dominating. Speaking of the Coats, did you see did
you see the pregame? What happened to Tarvari's not what happened?
Oh my god, big play Charvarius. They warming up and

(23:57):
somebody wasn't paying attention, like this is pre warm ups,
no pants or nothing. You just out there catching the
ball and like getting your legs warm. And he was
breaking on the out in one of the tight end
or somebody I forget who it was, but he ran
into him and got concussed and missed the game, missed
the game. And he was like real legit knocked out

(24:22):
like no hit him so hard. He was just like out,
like out cold, and oh yeah, in the protocol. Oh yeah, yeah,
yea yeah, yea yea yea yeah. That ain't it done? Now,
that ain't it? That ain't well. I ain't never had
that kind of hit. I thought you, I thought you
finna tell me like he ran an out route and
then he didn't know the ball was coming in much
hit him in the face, and but somebody ran into him. Collision, collision, concussion. Yeah,

(24:49):
me and him with a box too, no question, we
got we got a box. I gotta see you later
because because we ain't paying attention. Who the fuck ain't
paying attention? Michael Irvin was going crazy on on on
this podcast in a reaction of saying him and Dion
couldn't play in this era. He I know you saw that. Yeah. Uh,
uncle's crazy. First off? Uh cuckoo many look, I know

(25:13):
what have you doing at this age? I need it right,
I need it because I see him at the Miami Games.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
And he mind me when he was in on the
younger yard when he was a break than Now, who
are what if? I don't know what else you said,
but he said song something that is so I'm like, yeah,
he's snapping.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
I might, I might, I need we got all, we
gotter have him on the show because he's saying, but but,
but somebody's saying at first off, First off, first off,
nobody that has never played in the NFL should be
speaking about who can play and who can't play in
this here. First off, not not that people can't speak
on the game, and and and hey, who's playing good,

(25:53):
who's not playing good? Who has a good scheme, who
has a bad scheme. I think people who haven't played
sometimes know the game better than guys who have played.
I can't understand that. But when you're talking about who
could have played in this era and who couldn't play
in this hair, that's it takes more than an outside
of observation to talk about that. You got to be
in the game and understand the skill set it takes
to play at a high level. The skill set that

(26:14):
IRV and Dion had, it translates to what they're doing now, translates,
so saying they can't do it, it's it's sane. It's
absolutely insane. There's nothing in this game that's happening right
now that irv irv IRV and Dion couldn't do. Mikel
Irving an all timer and Dion Sanders, one of the
greatest athletes to play this game, could not do like

(26:37):
that's silly, that's silliness.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, I mean I understand that completely, Like I'm boy
that tripping, Like, there's no way you think Mike Irvan
can't do this, Like I done. See some guys that's
in the league that's playing in this era right now,
I'd be like, how do you get in this motherfucker?

Speaker 1 (26:54):
Right?

Speaker 2 (26:55):
So that's that's the other question though, It's some folks
that I ran across, Like, all right, man, I know
everybody we call we call him campbodies. There's a lot
through that be camp body that should be there. And
I'll guarantee you Michael Irby would not be a camp
body there.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
He would not be a campbody that It would be
a Hall of Fame receiver. That first off, they ain't
letting us hit him like they used to. Like you
ain't some seiters getting killed his career. He probably would
have played twenty years. Yeah, they can't get hit. He
used to play at a time where they could get hit.
That's why I hate the records and stuff. And we
always talked about the interception conversation Dion had had his
fifty three and and you know, had an illustrious career.

(27:31):
But I wish we played with some of the quarterbacks
like that that that could get hit and be concussed
and scared these of vendors and falling off their back
foot and not worried about the efficiency numbers and all that,
and they ain't worried about the PI and the hold
and hands to the face and softened in the game
so they could have more points. They just letting it.
They just letting them scrap out there.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
I'm talking about really a boxing max, right, that's what it. Mma,
we pass on with pants, that's all of it.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Because I've seen Dion really be still enough on folks
in the in the middle of the game, bam, because
they get kicked out and not get kicked out what
I'm saying, So it's it. It's because you're still up
on somebody right now. They getting kicked out. Bridge, he
used to get it kicked out my boy.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Well, hey, first of all, let's get this out the
way I thought my boy Juju was for a minute.
It's no way you mushed that hard that you with
the rolling tunnel.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
And then hop up put your hamming back down like
I thought you would. I thought you would try to
sell the flock. But then I realized, like I think
he realized, like damn, that kind of hurt. It mere
going to straighten this like thet we go straightness, and
so he would go run back over there, you throw
it on the ground and you know. But hey, alright, first,
I think this is what I'm gonna say. The Kansasity

(28:51):
Chiefs didn't get a parody called in the game that
it didn't in itself. It's crazy. Now, I'm not one
of the conspiracy theorists. It's like, oh man, they cheating
for the Kansas City Chiefs. I ain't one of them.
But I don't know too many NFL games where a
team then played perfect. I don't think it as exists
no penalties, and then you see the clip of and

(29:13):
everybody's like, he hit Branch on the side. I'm gonna
let you know something. When you hit me to the side,
then I'm probably gonna land on my other side. That's
where it happens. When you hit me on the side,
I land on the other side. When you hit me
in the back, I'm probably gonna land on the front.
I'm gonna land on my face. So when Branch landed
on his face, that means he got hit in his back,
in his back, and people were like, well he put
his back on him. Well, then guess what. Guess what.

(29:35):
There are players out there. When somebody shows you their back,
you can't hit him in it, because then you're gonna
get the penalty. Just like, oh, people could show me
they arm. If I grab it, they gonna call holding
on me. Like, just because they showed me something don't
mean that. Oh oh well I could grab his off.
He showed it to me. Bro, No, that's not what
it means. He showed you his back, That means, oh man,

(29:57):
he got the better of you on his play. You
can't hit him. If you hit him, as gonna be
a penalty. You hit him, It wasn't a penalty. So
what Branch was saying, and I can understand this as
a player. If this is happening all game and they
getting away with bs all game, then y'all take it
out of my hands.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
I didn't have enough today. I'm laying hands on you
and I He said he had enough. He said, they said,
they say, yeah, they're trying to bully it bs. I
just had enough of that, all right.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Like what I say to you is is ju ju ju.
Next time they played Jews, You're gonna have a lot
of respect for Juoually gonna know that boy ain't playing
I guarantee that, and I guarantee you he when he's
trying to crack black again, and you gonna make sure
he don't hit him in the back. Either he ain't
gonna hit him on his back or this is the
part of the game. People don't understand. There's a lot
of players out there, receivers have that we keep them safe,

(30:49):
that we don't take the shot we could take. We don't.
We don't, we don't take the blindst We let him
turn their head a little bit when we could really
just demolish them. And I don't think I don't don't
think Branch and Detroit d B's gonna give him that
grace anymore. I think it's gonna be a head hunting
will pay the fine kind of game. Yes, Is that fair?
I don't know. Is it cheating? Is it anything? Is

(31:11):
it It's just Hey, that's how they used to play
the game. Sometimes you'll take the fifteen. Yeah, I'm gonna
tell you now.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
I warn every time I go on the field any
type of pulling tackle that do them toss craft and look,
I know it's a game.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
I know y'all gotta do your job, but y'all got
one time of mud dog me, Like if you're blocking
me and then you're trying to dump me and you
three hundred some pounds, you dun't me best believe you
come around that corn again. You ain't gonna have a
knee caut you ain't running nut. I'm gonna take take
the I'm gonna take the foul and you're gonna be.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Out to get yes, sir, every time, and if and
if you're not, I'm gonna do it the second high
right run play Yeah yeah, my coach's gonna have to say, slave,
you can't play today, right yeah?

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah every time.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
So if you block me fair enough, I'm trying to
get off there, you do get cool than you go
to and you laying on top of me. Mutton, Yeah, buddy, yeah, yeah, yeah,
you don't got the last.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, this is your last play today. Okay, Okay, we
gotta move on, big play, but that we know what
we're talking about right now. The Tennessee Titan. We're gonna
finish it with the Tennessee Titans firing their head coach
Brian Callahan after a one to five start. He finishes
with a foreign nineteen record as a head coach, and
we're gonna talk about too a tongue of our lower
calling out his teammates and the Eagles losing to the Giants.

(32:32):
So first the Titans firing their head coach. That's wheezing like, don't, don't,
don't fire Vrabel facts, I'm Matt, Like, you don't have
a good team, you didn't draft well, now your players
aren't panning out. Don't fire a head coach that actually
has guys playing hard for him, that's actually got a

(32:53):
really solid defense and solid playing philosophy, a good culture
for somebody who hasn't been ahead coach before. I don't
think Callahan was even a play caller, and you put
him in a position with a team that's not talented.
He wins four games in two years. You don't have
the patience to wait at least three years. And it's
just poorly run, poorly run franchise. Yeah, yeah, they they

(33:17):
not ain't doing it right over that man at all? Yeah,
at all. So yeah, they gotta fix that, man.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
But that what happened when you find you can't be
just sitting here thinking like coaches are just replaceable, you
know what I'm saying. First of all, Tennessee was a
hard nosed team. They always had a hard nose defense.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
They were ran off their defense, and they played groundhouse,
I mean ground ball.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Like dere he was the running back. Like it was
ground and pound like hard nose. We finish, y'all gonna
have to beat us. But now y'all become this old,
pretty pretty offense y'all trying to build a whole different
type of coature that became.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
I ain't gonna say they sought over there, because they
ain't probably sat. They probably just ain't well. And you
and you make dumb personnel decisions like you let Derrick
Henry walk out of the building. You trade trade all
pro always open a j Brown to the to the
Philadelphia Eagles thinking you've done something, thinking you're just gonna
draft his replacement. That was dumb, dumb. So that's something
they gotta deal with. And just talking to Berber one time,

(34:12):
he just he he ain't even want that trade. He
was blowed by that trade.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
He was like, hey, he put out of the building,
but they're concerned about knee problem that that got.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Him three All Pros, three Pro Bowls, a Super Bowl.
I'm gonna let you know something. People that's concerned about
they shouldn't be concerned about a knee issue, Like, oh,
we ain't gona pay him because the kne issue. That
boy kneed and got a ring and if you like it,
then you should have put a ring on. And he
got enother payday type shit any top five right now.
Like but y'all, y'all think y'all getting ahead of the curve, Like, man,

(34:41):
we're gonna get rid of him before he gets hurt.
We know something, like y'all had him in y'all building,
and now y'all watching him be great and dominant. Well
he's pissed off right now, but be great and dominant for.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yeah, man, he sold them they're great and dominate for
Davin straight because boy, but yeah, he put he bothered
for a whole another team now.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Yeah, so it's the Dereck Henry, Derek Henry out there
and and Baltimore. Well he was living his best life
last year and living his best life. Yeah yeah, but
still still great, great all the time, great running back facts,
he's still gonna be a great And what about two
a tongue of by lord? Did you see that clip? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah, he love He a little wild for that. I
don't I don't know how he called on his teammates
in that kind of way. I don't know if he's
basically trying to say they need to have a better
team bonding or something like that.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
But it's a way to go about that. Not that's
saying Mike. He makeing it. He make it it sound like, oh,
we lose it because what we won't hang together? But
that we basically said he's saying. He's saying guys don't
care enough. They're not showing up to players only meetings,
they're not showing up the treatment. They're showing up late
to players only meetings and not showing up at all.
Like I hear you to it, but it's you. Yeah,

(35:49):
you don't get to be the one to say it,
Like when you out there playing bad, you probably need
to Yet what they say, share the up? Come Mary,
I want they paying you all that money for a reason, right,
the not to be not to be that right? You
threw three interceptions in the game, like the guy who
threw three interceptions. You don't. You don't got room to

(36:12):
say nothing to nobody. You just say, hey, we didn't
play well enough. That's on me. I gotta play better.
You don't you can say, oh, man, I was trying
to get the team motivated. No, that's when dudes start
having no respect for you. Yeah, yeah, that's what the
like was going on over there right about now. Nobody
got no respect for they quarterback and.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
They gotta they gotta find that where to get that together, man,
because they got a lot of time.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
On that team to be But donky like that. But
donky is a crazy word. My power I'm looking at
this game they play. My power rankings is gonna be
in the trash this week. I don't know what I'm
gonna do. Buffalo, give me twenty one to seven right
now by Atlanta? Yeah, yeah, yes, I see that. Yeah
that's friend.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Y'all just saw your rankers the other day. Yees, So
you gotta get ready to put that rank and get
that record. Hey look here, i' gonna say this one thing.
This won't get off my chest because this has got
to be your boy. Bake NDP right now, Baker may
film Baker that man I'm talking about, no, no good win, No,
Mike Evans, you go out your other, your rookie that
left in the second quarter, and you still go out

(37:15):
there win.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
And that third and fourteen player, he made it like
he got all the swag.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
He won't have the quarterback right now, I ain't lying
right well, look, I don't know he's been at all
the swag. But man, like god leeve bait, boy Baking,
he don't know who He's a different type of animal.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Right now, boy he he. I don't know how this
game is gonna end. But but Atlanta's look like they're
gonna be up at the half twenty one, twenty one
seven probably it's forty two seconds left. If that result
ended up staying and they win that game, give me
your power rankings top five in the National Football League. Oh,
I mean, of course you go say Pittsburgh won, no doubt,

(37:56):
I got hm. Yeah, dang, that's it. It's gonna be
crazy right now. It's gonna be crazy. I'm I'm phoning
you to think about that. Sam Frans just lost. Philly's gones.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Buffalo's gone gonna like Detroit lost short lost, like, yeah,
so it's like it might be a team and that
really might be three and two at the top five.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Right by Now you don't mind while you're going through
your process. Yeah, your because I'm be playing today. I
don't wear my mind. It's it right right right you
locked in. I see, I can see the big picture.
You just you see the big picture. I don't see
the big picture. I wouldn't thinking, like damn it really
ain't nobody. So the one loss teams right now, Tampa, Pittsburgh, Uh,

(38:40):
Indianapolis Yeah ya mm hmmm. Those are the one loss teams.
That's it. And in Buffalo. But Buffalo's losing right now. Yes,
so if the Buffalo loses, I'm not sure Philly's gonna
be in my top five. I'm being honest. Right now,
the way they plan, they may be right now, they

(39:00):
can't be. That's bat lows into the Giant. Yeah, not
into the Giant, right they lost to the Giants and
and and and uh uh the Broncos. Yeah, and they're
bounding back though they bounce back. They'll bounce back now
Buffalo if they lose to the Patriots and then the
Falcons back to back like you out the you out
the ball rankings, but one would have to be buff.

(39:24):
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers understanding for me because they just bankers,
playing like like an MVP candidate, and he's even more so. Now.
I'd probably put y'all at three just because y'all have
had your bible. Y'all four on one. They all just
played one more games, So I'm puting y'all at three,
But I'm gonna put the Indianapolis Colt said, too low key.

(39:45):
They could be undefeated if a Donnie, if Adam nine
Mitchell don't.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Don't drop the ball, drow the ball off, it'll be
five and oh maybe five six and them, yes, they
would be six O for sure, yes.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Right, and Jonathan Taylor looking like an MVP candidate, really
like his old self. Then after that, after those two
it gets kind of murky. I think Seattle, with what
they've been doing, it's gonna be a two loss team
after that. Yeah, but gotta be the The four and
five is what's gonna be tricky at the end because

(40:17):
I'm really not sure who it could be. I mean,
it used to be green Bay, but green Bay struggled
mightily in some of these games. And looked different. The
commanders could be in it, but I'm gonna have to
really think about four and five. Yeah, you have a
thought today, man, they could be a thought, you know.
W tune in and see who you pick though, so

(40:38):
it'll be a thought. Alost got us in that top
three though. That's all you gotta be right, right, right,
right right. I gotta have y'all. You only got one lost,
well not. I appreciate you, big play. I appreciate you
always joining us, and I appreciate all you guys joining
us as you always have. All the support in the world.
Thank you so much. It could be anywhere in the world,
but you hear with us and we sure to appreciate it.
I'll see you next time, Big Black. Yes, sir man,

(40:58):
have a blessing you two.
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