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October 24, 2025 • 32 mins

Richard Sherman and Big Play Slay preview Sunday Night Football between the Green Bay Packers and Pittsburgh Steelers. They discuss Aaron Rodgers’ revenge mindset, defensive strategies, new uniforms, and staying positive after tough losses. They also debate why the NFL MVP shouldn't just be a QB award and why Indianapolis Colts QB Jonathan Taylor should be a contender. Additionally, they spotlight players like Jaycee Horn of the Carolina Panthers and Jaxon Smith-Njigba of the Seattle Seahawks, and explore the season’s unpredictable playoff race.

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome back to the Richard Shriman Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
And you know what time it is. It's time for
the special guest, Big Play Slate.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
What up? Brother? Was good? Was good? My good? It
was good? Man. How you been I've been good. I've
been good. I'm going off a tough game for y'all.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Y'all got a y'all got a great game Sunday night football,
perfect opportunity, prime time to make a statement against the
Green Bay Packers and Aaron Rodgers revenge game.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Ish.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
You know, I know he didn't play it for it,
but I know he's feeling some type of way about this.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Oh you know, of course, you know that's a rod Man.
He you know, so uh the game for show. We
want to win for show for ourselves, but for sure
a lot.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
With a rod Man.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
He been in the organization for so long, this so
much for that team won a super Bowl for him, So.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
It's big for him. Man.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
I know he not gonna try to, you know, try
to take it too personal, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
But I know a rod is personal, right right right?
You tell y'all fight stuff.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yeah, he took a person with the Jets and me
in that long there with him, So I gotta understand
where he feel about Green Bay.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
So that boy gonna be in the bottom scraping the
bottom of his bag trying to get these boys.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
I'll talk all in it, All in it man.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Matt Lafleur, the head coach of that Green Bay Packers,
said he's not worried about Aaron Rodgers revenge game.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
He's not worried about you know, any of that narrative. Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
You're you're doing great as a coach. It don't matter
if you're not worried about it. Aaron is worried about it,
and for good reason. He means a lot to this franchise.
He meant a lot to that franchise for MVPs.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
There. He's gonna bring his best come on now.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
And we all been in that situation before, because shoot,
you got a chance to get the revenge on your boys.
I had a chance to get paid against my boy.
So that jump personal. I don't know if it would
be talking about them coaches know would be personal.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
It be personal. But you can't never say it. You gate,
you gate.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
You can't ever say what you really want to say
in the media without it being a negative spin and
all this, like if people but so bad about people
telling the truth, and like if people would say it more.
People used to get mad at me for saying what
I had to say. But I mean, I'm telling you,
I'm keeping it a buck. Like if I think somebody weak,
I'm gonna I'm gonna do it, and I'm gonna say it,
and then I'm gonna show you that thing weekend. I'm

(02:16):
gonna say it again. And it is what it is.
But if it's a revenge game, you gotta say, no,
I don't mean that much. You know what I mean,
because what you're gonna say, yeah, it mean a lot
to me. And I hope we beat the heck out
of them and if we can.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Be up fifty, that would make my day. You can't
say that. You can't say it.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
You can't say it because what's making a difference if
you tried to tell fos we make stuff. A ridge
game is when you get rid, when you get doing
that team release and now if you go somewhere on
your own, it's better, it's a better guy.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
But if you you at least trade me. Yeah, bro,
it's always been version, it's it's all time. I see it.
Every time. I still remark I like, man family, Nah, they.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Cut me right right, and my shot, my shot talking
all that man he went, he went to the Raiders.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
It was sobud. I'm home. I said, Barjahan, you ain't
got no more lord than anybody else. I remember that,
like yesterday, Joe, it's too funny.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
That was funny. That boy's funny. That boy is a character.
So how can y'all win this game? Green Bay Packers
have a really good receiving corps. They got another a
nice young receiver in Matthew Golden, a speecher. I believe
Christian Watson is starting to work his way back, if
I'm not mistaken. Romeo Dobbs, Tucker Craft is a go

(03:37):
to guy. And then Brandon Jacobs. What what do you
guys gotta do to slow this offense down this week?

Speaker 3 (03:42):
First, well, we gotta do a lot, man, we gotta
container run. I know, our last couple of games is
going just realistic. What's out there on film, you know,
guys is not being averaging. You know, twenty carriers or
thirty carris with one hundred yards. It's been like twelve
fifteen leaving, So we gotta stop explosive in the run game,
you know, with definitely with Jacob's coming in the game,

(04:03):
you know that's gonna be a bell cow. And he's
one of the best backs in this league too, so
we got to for sure start to run. And then
you know, of course with that being said, you know
they trying to make a one dimensional we gotta be
way better than it was last week in the past game.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Mhm, So claiy, I'm looking at these uniforms and they're
making me squint.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
No, man, hey, look it's he Well, we're like we incarcerated, man,
were in the jail house.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, y'all better, y'all be y'all better pull out that
jail house mentality. Put him on clamps, under lock and key.
But but how you feeling about this? Obviously this is
a tradition and yeah historic and all that stuff, and
you're part of one of the most historic franchise in
the National Football League.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
These jerseys are interesting though.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, man, this is my I finally got to look
at him for the first time man, yesterday, So uh,
I mean, I'm gonna try to see what I could
do with him, you know what I'm saying, Because I
got to side to see. You know what I'm saying,
I'm a traditional guy. That's a lot of loud colors
right there. Boy to figure it out, man, because yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Gotta get my cleak game right. If I don't feel good,
I don't play good.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
So we go we go out to figure that out though,
because yeah, that might.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Be a little bit too much yellow. But we go
do what we do though, We go do what we do. See.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
See, if I had a name like Slay, I can
come up with some cool saying like Dion had that
cool saying.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
If you if you look good, you feel good, you
feel good, you play good, you play good, they pay good. Yeah,
and then if they pay good, then Slay good.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
And you know what I mean. If if I'm just
trying to be a rapper or something, you know, hey,
well now you got the ball down. You got some
balls you for l a y'all wrapped out every now
and then, every now and then. But those are interesting jerseys.
My question is gonna be what's your cleat combo?

Speaker 1 (05:42):
What what? What? What were you wearing with this that's yellow?

Speaker 3 (05:45):
It got to be yellow, Like I'm trying to put
that together right now. And most of my cleats are
more like yellow with some black in it. But I
don't think we got no blacking that dog on jersey
or nothing at Also, I'm over here species right now.
I'm really still trying to figure this out right now
because that could be my tough part because I love
my cleats.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Now my cleats be they be on point. So I'm
still debating.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
I'm gonna be very locked in to your swag this
Sunday night, and and and all the viewers all this,
the Steelers fans pay attention to slight swag this week.
I know y'all frustrated about the game last week. That's
keep the toxic comments and all the nonsense out of it.
I just want one day for fans to try their
best after a loss to say something positive. I challenge

(06:31):
y'all try to if you can say something positive to
the player instead of eat.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Look, there's enough hate in the world. This is nonsense.
There's enough all this.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Y'all love to watch these sports, and I guarantee you
these young men are doing the best they can. They
don't mean to lose, they don't mean to give up balls,
they don't mean to drop passes or interceptions any of
that they.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Doing their best. They don't always work out how you
want it to work out.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
But I challenge y'all after a tough game, after a
good game, say something nice about you team, say something
nice about your players. If you're gonna write a comment,
challenge yourself to say something nice. Even if it's like, hey,
you had a nice haircut today, it's okay, so something.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Because because the hate, it don't help nobody.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
It don't make them feel better, and it's definitely not
gonna help them play better the next game. You never know,
the positive comment might be to pick me up. They
need to get them over the hump for the next game.
So how about we try a new strategy. Everybody say
something positive to your guy after after tough games.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
I'm trying to tell you, boy, but you know how
these fans they'll let you have it. I was talking
about in a heartbeat, boy and a heartbeat. But you know,
but that comes. That's something part of the game, man.
So I'm like, we done got used to it now,
but I wish one day they just had some nice
say everybody.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, but it's it's such a toxic part of the game,
Like it's such a toxic part of the game.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Y'all still gotta winning record.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
It's a tough and they think the NFL, they think,
oh man, this team has been struggling or this team
is then up and down like they they must they
must be bad. You guys are gonna blow them out
like you just never know. A one win I mean,
a one loss team might get beat by a one
win team International Football League and it shouldn't be that much.
It'll be considered an upset. But these are nf film players,

(08:10):
best in the world, best in the world. Speaking of positive,
was there anything positive you are or maybe? Uh Tomlin
had to say after after this game, you know, I
know it's you know, there were there were enough criticisms,
enough criticism to go around.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
But hey man, look you know, I mean we know
White team bite t straightforward. They ain't too much positive
oly thing positive. Come on, this is a learning experience
of what we need to do better. So uh, hey man,
we had a little me and he you know, he
one thing about my team. Man, what I do appreciate
it he throw, he throw, Now he go tell you
what it is.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
He go tell you what it is. And you know, uh,
I know me and my I first me, he.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Told us what we're here for and what we got
our chance to get out there, and we ain't perform
the way we need.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
To, so you know, and uh, you know, so we
we know we got a better, gotta be better and
you know it.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
And uh, you know one thing I knew about this
by being in the division, you got another chance.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
You got another chance. So right, we got another chance
at that.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Man, we go wait to that, but we got to
worry about this week coming up because this is a
big game too as well. So but yeah, man, you
know he might t He's straightforward. You know, he ain't
gonna shut coat nothing.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, I ain't mad at that. One thing I'll tell
you about Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll would go in there
in mind you. He'd sometimes be extra tough on us
in game, Like if we had five turnovers in the game,
he had showed the three four bad plays in front
of the whole team and be like, hey, you gotta
be better with you, which is perfect, keep your humble
and all that. But we could lose the game and

(09:36):
he'd come in there showing all the highlights, all the
good stuff, like look look at all the great things
we did, we weren't able to pull it out.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
But man, one play here, one play here. You see
how specialists.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Can be and be like, you know what, we damn sure,
we damn sure did could have won that game.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
That's a good way. That's a good way.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
That's a good way. Yeah, it's a different way I
could go about it. Man, But that my tea have
some of that in him. But he ain't got a
lot of that in him. No, but te feel that
you have it, buddy, Like, hey, look we got some
good stuff on tape.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Now, it is some good tape out here. But no, no,
no this. But we're gonn talk about this right here though.
And he all a love it, man, I love my
t he played around. Boy, he yeah, but hey, but
what are all grown in We're all grown in here.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Going man, and you're getting paid to do the job.
And you know the criticism comes with it. What did
you think of when Brader Jones jumped on a rod back? Man,
Look at first, I ain't even see it. I'm like,
I ain't know what happened.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
You know what I'm saying. I saw I got on
the plane. D da da da, everybody talking about this.
I looked, I'm right, man, And then that boy a
Rob looked unhappy. You look unhappy, you know, a Rod like, boy,
I'm forty one, boy, I don't like it's hard.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
For me already, get up off this ground. You put
me back on the ground. Oh no, no, no, I
got something landed on. He laid there for a second like,
I know he didn't. I know he didn't. I know
he did.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Hey, but uh whoo, I don't know how they talked
was but man, I'm gonna have to find out because
I'm gonna go to work.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Mom.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
I'm like, like, I ain't know you just laying on
hay Rod like that. What y'all going on? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (11:07):
I need I need you to ask that, ay Rod,
Like I didn't avoid these big three hundred pounders with
with the opposite jerseys on all day.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
But it's gonna be my own guy that just layings
on me.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
That's that's under that's rough in the pastor if the
d lineman do it, you can't do that.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
I was talking about he did it the old dude.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Man, Hey, I know he was a sighted man in
motions was crazy because I was a hell up a
play he made. But my gun Hey, I ain't gonna
lie too. Eight Rod looked like he was about thirty four. Again,
we're moving around instead of them plays like that too, though.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Man, he was looking sweeten.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
The fact that the fact you said thirty four like
it's young. Fuck yeah, yeah, yeah, thirty four.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
He wasn't looking like And I don't seen him in
when he was twenty twenty seven, twenty eight.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
I don't seen him at that age. I just seen
him and he gets ridly. Run run. It's how I
gave my thirty four, So I know what I'm saying.
Gave me a little little cushion, now, you little cushion. Y'all.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Y'all been on the field a lot this year. Yes,
y'all been on the field a lot.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Y'all.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Y'all averaging seventy two zero point five. Again, for the
fans who don't understand what that means, they on the
field a lot too damn much. That's about twenty extra
plays a game. It's the average about fifty maybe fifty five.
You might get a sixty play game here and there,
but seventy two as an average.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah, it slight. I know your legs.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Gone, Come on, man, that's that's all that's on as
a as a as a defense man. We want we
gotta be better. You know, we got to be accountable. Uh,
don't matter what the call is, we got to execute.
Just beat the man in front of you. As a
team and as a player, Uh, we're not We're not
the best on third downs. We're not best at you know,
coming out there three and outs, like we just ain't playing,

(12:39):
you know, COMPROMARTI ball on the defensive side fully game.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
You know what I'm saying, We might have some sparks
and here sparts in there.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
And that's why I was saying earlier in the year,
like we got to start depending on splash plays and
you know that's what we've been living off for for
too long. And guys, that's can manage the ball, control
the clock, not force turnovers. We got to force the
turnovers insteady you know, just try wait till they just
make a mistake.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
You know, we got to force them.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
And and that's why I think we need to just
pick that up, you know.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Uh, you know, I know this gonna be a big week.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
We're gonna be focused on like one player at a
time and all that's doing it together.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, Yes, another another primetime game, another prime time opportunity
to showcase this defense and and everything y'all y'all capable of.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
But let's talk about this out the NFL news. J C.
Horn was strapped. Come on now, yes, yes, you know, seatbelt?

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Hey boy, look he the boys brought the cornerbacks back
into it again.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Man, that was a generation that came back.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
They brought us back to like because we had a
little stink a little minute for the end of the
draft a little bit, we had a little stink.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Random boys.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
That class there, that that class brought us back, man,
And to see it because it was packed right before him, No,
it was no.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
J C. First, then was pat after him in the
draft that drift. So that had two.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Good two coroners, and then the next draft of sauce
the sauce and then stingily.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yep stay and then yeah yep with us for on
the next one. Yeah. So it's like they started to
get back up. So the c JC do what he do. Man.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Look, this is the probably the first time I've seen
him play, you know, injury free, Like he's been injured
for a couple of years and people have been like,
oh man, he injured I been knew he was nice,
but you know, I know, the injuries kept him from
being limited on the field.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
But now you finally get him getting hisself together.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
I'm quite sure you're probably doing it a lot differently
to take care of his bidy, to making sure he
available to play, and it's showing his work right now.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
He's shown what that twenty five million now it look
like no question. I mean the one hander, the one
handle was clean, the other one was clutched, and he's
just playing all around good football man. You love to
see it. You love to see him healthy and reaching
his potential because he kind of gets lost in the
best cornerback conversation sometimes because of the injuries, not because
of his lack his his talent or anything like that

(14:53):
or his performance, just because he's so beat up and
he hasn't had enough plays and enough enough games under
it and any kind of stuck in uh Carolina, in Carolina,
you know, and they haven't been Yeah, they haven't been
showcased as a team very often.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
So it's good to see him getting some love.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
You see Monday Night football JS and Jackson Smith and
Jigbu continues his his run.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
That man is eating right now. So what do you
think he doing so good that make him special? Man? Look,
he does, he got to be doing a lot, and
they got a great connection.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Man, it's it's some guys that them two guys right
there really connecting.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Man.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
And when I tell you, I know, uh we played them,
be like, Okay, he's going, he's getting after he making good,
catching contested catches like he don't seem as fast as
on film, but he he run routes, real polished like
it's real controlling.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
It's not rushed. He not. You're not dictating him like
you know what I'm saying. He really he did. He
controlling the paste of the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
And and you watching them, man, I'm just I'm like,
look y'all better start doubling this boy, because he's starting
to be in that conversation of you know, the top
five guys right now. You know, right now he's doing it.
And everybody can have this whatever. You know, everybody had
this question about Sam Donald, can't do this, can't do that?
Sam Donald looking like first team All Pro two as
well and playing on and leading an elite team to this.

(16:09):
So they doing a damn thing. I ain't even a
I'm talking about he he nice with it.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Boy. He ain't blowing around.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
No, he ain't playing around at all. He's running good routes.
He's efficient, he's effected. They know he's getting the ball
and he's still getting it done. Uh, and he doing
it against really good players, you know, y'all. Game he
had a he had a good couple of catches against Jalen.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
This week he had a touchdown against Stingley on the
post and Stingley was right there on the shoulder, you know,
and Stingly made.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Made a play in that game.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Later on, got even a book to help try to
change this game because their offense wasn't giving him a
lot in this game. Their defense scored a touch defense
almost scored two. Yes, in this game. They was they
was really keeping him in there. But that was that
was great to see that jscn. I mean he almost
he got eight hundred and nineteen yards already, four touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
And what about seven eight game? Seven games we're going
into we eight.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
I know, hey, look, I know a receiver that wish
he could have that going on right now.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
But I go, shit it right and we can't say
his name. He ain't gonna be Beyonce.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Hey yeah, uh, Jonathan Taylor is also eating right now.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
The Indianapolis coach are the big surprise for me.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
I mean anybody that's I can't say people in Indianapolis
they might have known and felt that way, but anybody
else saying they thought, oh, Daniel Jones is gonna be
an MVP candidate, the Indianapolis coach was gonna be the
best team in the NFC, I mean the AFC and
maybe in the league.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
You was lying to yourself, but they they are.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Hey, look well, I can tell you one thing, man,
Shane you know he doing. I'm trying to tell you
when when Shane was with us Ana Philly he put
that thing together. Now, and that's what you know what
I'm saying, And I'm not saying I'm not surprised, but
I knew if he find a quarterback that in just
do as he needs and makes it, he know how
to scheme it up and get right. And you see

(17:56):
Dan Jones looking like now that I was gonna ask
him question like what.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Do we go wrong at?

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Because right right, a lot of you know what I'm saying,
so you know, and uh, and if you look at
the Koch team, man, not the no offense.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
But I'm saying they're just as talented on the roster
as them.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
But they just the same way built as the Eagles,
you know, running all heavy, good run game, you know,
uh for receivers, no big receiverd quarterback of the stend
to play that can use his legs, he can want
a quarterback draw if he wants to with him. So
they kind of been running. Yeah, and their defense is
playing very well. So it's like they built just like us,

(18:31):
you know, just like not like us, but like the Eagles.
I said like us, like well because I prefer them
back to twenty two.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
So but uh yeah, man, so I ain't surprised with shame.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Man.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
I knew Shame is gonna get it going people. I
knew that.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
But Jonathan Taylor has six hundred ninety seven yards and
eleven touchdowns already, ten of them rushing touchdowns on the season.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
And I know you bias, and I know I think
I know the answer to this, but you think of
running back and win MVP.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
They should they need to, man, I think they If
you're doing stuff like that as a running back, man,
you take some people could take their running back off
that team and stuff don't happen. And I understand the
quarterback is of the most important position and you can't win,
but man, if you're doing numbers like that, that's big time.
And he on a pace for I know, for some
crazy stuff right now. I can't even imagine what he's

(19:19):
on pace for.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
The last running back to win MVP was Adrian Peterson
in twenty twelve. He had twenty ninety seven yards in
his MVP season. Taylor is on track for twenty one
forty two yards. That's one hundred and five right now.
Right now, his six hundred ninety seven yards are one
hundred and five more than the next closest guy.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
But the deal is, and this is why I hate
MVP right now. And I don't like the award.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
I don't like how they're doing it because I don't
even like how they voting for it or the people
they are allowing to vote.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
It's a lot I got to say about that.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
But but if Tae Kwan didn't win it last year
and Christian McCaffrey didn't win it the year before, I
just don't see it happening. And it don't seem like
there's anything a running back could necessarily do to elevate
himself into that conversation, because they they'll they'll they'll be
sitting there looking like at Daniel Jones as the MVP
before before uh.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Before Taylor, before Taylor. And I wish they.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Had an individual award for the QBS where they said
best QB Award. You know what I mean, call it
Tom Brady, call it the Joe Montana Tom Brady, call
it the best QB, m v B, most Valuable Quarterback.
Whatever you want to do, but take them out of
the equation, because then you then you could be.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
More fair about how you pick it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Wait, you might even get a potential defensive player from
time to time if you take them guys out of
the equation because you're gonna give it to them because
they touch the ball every place, So no matter what,
they're gonna be the most productive. They're gonna have the
most touchdown somebody one of them. It's gonna be Josh
Allen or Patrick Mahomes or or you know, right now,
you could you can make argument for Dak Prescott the

(20:58):
way he's been playing. Uh, your Mississippi State boyd been playing.
They don't want to give him the credit he deserved
because they've been in shootouts. But I'm telling you his
part of the shootout. He's been holding up his end
of the bar.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
I'm talking about and letting his shoot too. And yeah,
you're young boy, George Picketts. But I love, hey love.
He got him some of the best body control with
the Kese netwrock. I ever seen that boy that doing
some stuff. Boy, God, he the only one I look like.
I said, I don't want no reparation front of the dB.
I just want you to be close to me so
I can mashoes. This is like he's just looking for that.

(21:30):
Like I'm not aubum. I don't even want to run
a good route. I want you to feel like you
covered me and let you know you can't cover me.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
You can't come to me. He says, stay, stay, stay
right here. I don't want I don't want you too
far away. I find witness to witness it. I want
you to witnesses and I want you on my highlight tape.
Yeah yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, that NBP stuff stuff. It's different though. I don't
like that.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
I don't like that you made a point though they
need to make a quarterback one by theyself, for sure,
they need to.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
It's different, and then it's it's the logic of some
of the voters, And I hate when they try to
explain themselves.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
They're like, you know, Lamo's won the last coup.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
If you start any conversation with something from the past
influencing your decision about this.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
Season, you're wrong. You're dead wrong. Oh well he won
too many night. I don't care.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
I mean, I don't care if he wont fifty of them.
If he deserves to win fifty one, then you give
it to him. If that's what the numbers and that's
what the tape says, then you.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Give him no award. You don't give it because you're like, hey,
somebody else needs to win this.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
No, they don't, No, they don't know, they don't. You
don't need to get bored of somebody's greatness. That's why
I don't like Lebron. And in that conversation of him
not getting MVPs when he's supposed to, like people are
too sympathetic in his day and age fight.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
There's nothing wrong with somebody just being dominant, dominant.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
And us recognizing that, like, hey, that was honestly, maybe
the best season Lamar Jackson has ever had and he
can he got two MVPs. He didn't get it. You
gave him first team All Pro, but you didn't give
him a VP. That's only happened a couple of times
in the National Football League and it shouldn't have happened.
But big play.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
I just don't see it running back getting it done.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
I don't see I don't see them giving and not
getting it done because I think I think Jonathan Taylor's
getting it done.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
But I don't see them giving it to a running back.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Unfortunately, he'll be Offensive Player of the Year because that's
that's the standard deal there. Yeah, that's the the backup prize.
That's the you know, second place trophy for anybody who's
not gonna be MVP or anybody they think probably should
have got v people. We got to give it to
a quarterback, so we'll we'll give you this consolation prize.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
But who are the top three running backs you faced
in your career?

Speaker 3 (23:27):
In my career, for sure, I mean I was in
the North Adrian Peterson for show and shoot another one man.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
I ain't I call him, I ain't I ain't catch
him in his good years. Chris Johnson. I ain't catch
him his great crazy.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Year, so no, but uh, shoot, I mean I played
with Sa Kuan, so it's different with Dak. But man,
it's really that's tough for me right there, like crazy
running backs because the next best one I kind of
went when it gains really was like Matt Forte, you
know what I'm saying in Chicago because he was a

(24:02):
scat back. He was doing everything. But uh, but the
only back I was really truly, truly ain't a lot
scared of was Marshaan Lynx. I ain't gonna like whenever
you played John like, please don't let please, don't let
nobody see.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
This man to the edge and you just see that boy,
I always gonna be scared. I ain't gonna lie. Yeah, you
gotta find a way to get him.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
And you got wide legs so you can't just titt
him down.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
He jumping right over that boy. So and but but see,
uh Christmas Catherine though he ain't that too. So I
just I'll just say them, I'll just add him.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
I would say, I would say a P And obviously
Marshan be in there for me.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
He I didn't.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
I did face it because I played in San Francisco
on a year, so I can count him, uh A P.
Marshan and probably Dereck Henry. Derrick Henry was was a
lot for us to deal with that day.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Uh, you know, it's it's just not that many running
backs with that kind of longevity and and that kind
of you know that you because you could say Le'Veon
Le'Veon had some good years in there, but you know,
I could say Frank Gore, Frank Gore deserves to be conversation.
We had some tough games against him.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, it was crazy though.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
I got to my Lavy. Oh my god, here's my
draft class. That boy was stupid nice Jesus super crazy.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, he was crazy. He was crazy.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
It's so much parody in the NFL right now. There's
so much parody. I I can't predict it. Like so
many games you go in you're like, I think this
is a win for this team, like they they won
the last two, and then you turn around and they've lost,
like the Buffalo Bills losing two in a row to
who they lose to. They lost the Patriots and then
they lost to the Foulous and you're like, well, I couldn't.
I could not have predicted that. There's nothing in the analytics.

(25:37):
There's nothing, and on the tape where you're like, oh man,
they're gonna struggle in these two games. And then you
got like Philadelphia Eagles. We talked about that they lost
to who they lose to.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
They lost to the Giants, Giants, and then they lost.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
They lost to Darnco's yeahs fourth quarter comeback, Bronco's fine, Broncos, they.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Find a way. Look, I did not know that.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
I did not know the score was eight to twenty
six or something like that with like six minutes left
in the game. Like that's that's crazy, Oh Donna, I'd
have been a part of some comebacks. But and got
beat by FO But not like that, not like that,
not big, not that small of a gap. Like, boy, no,
because I've been on office that I take at least

(26:20):
three minutes off the clock. That must mean boy, they
was taking thirty seconds off the clock three and outre
thirty gotta beat.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, they couldn't. They couldn't get they couldn't get nothing
going offensively. And then then they had that PI call
on on Riley Moss. I said, come on now, y'all.
Y'all don't do it like this. Rest because first off,
these underthrown footballs are getting ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
He turning around looking for the ball, putting his hand
like what else do you like? What?

Speaker 2 (26:44):
There's nothing else you could expect them to do, the
receiver grabbing him like he don't.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
If I knew the ball was underthrown, then I would
turn around to catch it. Catch it. That's the thing
I hate about this. That's why that's the only thing
I hate.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
About DVS, about us playing dB.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Because Davey Ward.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
These quarterbacks were underthrown ball, bro and they black and
you see the quarterback they put on that. Then you
threw a bad ball that you threw behind him and
he can't even see. Now you're asking for a flag
because what I that's the joint. That's why that's what
they don't need me being earthy I need to be
officiating because.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
On the thrown none of that. I won't call none
of that, None of that.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
If you, if you, if both y'all can't catch that,
it's no call.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Right and that. But that's the that's the hard part
of this game.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
And I think they're gonna have to find a solution
to that, whether whether it's you turn those into fifteen yarders.
But then it's hard to distinguish which is which, or
you can't call it, you know what I mean, especially
when the DB's getting his head around. You can't call
those plays because you're rewarding them for not being effected,
for not doing a great job. They threw it on
time and weren't supposed to be. Then the receiver doesn't

(27:45):
have to come back, but a dB, even if you're
in good coverage, I don't know you're stopping.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
So I'm at full speed. You know the ball's stopping.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
So unless I looked and located it and saw it
get thrown and know, oh it's it's it's trajectory is this,
I'm not gonna see it.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
So my only thing to.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Do is to either just get out of your way
and let you catch it, or I'm gonna turn around.
But it's just not realistic. It's not realistic. I'm not
just gonna let somebody slip by me at the end.
And I know the balls in there, so it's just weird.
But right now, the coats are the one seed in
the in the AFC, the packers are one seed in
the NFC.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Patriots are two. Patriots are two. I'll say that again.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
The forty nine Ers are two in the NFC, Broncos
are three in the AFC, Eagles are three in the NFC,
Stealers are four in the AFC, Bucks are four in
the NFC, Lions are five in the NFC, Bills are
five in the AFC, Chargers are six in the AFC.
Seahawks are six in the NFC. Rams are seventh in

(28:45):
the NFC, and Jags are seventh in the AFC.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
That's big, and that's crazy that hey, the NFC for
the because they got a lot of teams. That's five
and two, So that's that's tough. That's a lot of
teams over that's five and two, that's six and seven. Right, Yeah,
that's do that's big.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
That's a That's the only thing I hate by our
playoff bracket. Man. You can have a good ad record, BOYD,
you can, but you could be the sixth seed. UOL.
They're traveling all year.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
And they thinking about changing that, and I know it
was up for debate at the Competition Committee meeting this year,
and I think they're gonna look to implement that.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Either the next year or the following year.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
I know, what's a point of conversation, at least in
terms of like a fourteen win team going to a
nine win team and a nine win division winner, Like
winning your division may not necessarily mean you getting the
home game in the future. It is what they it's
what they said, so they may change the seating. I
think that would be a good decision because, like you said,

(29:39):
I mean, you got the fourteen win teams that didn't
win their division because their division is really tough going
to nine win teams and nine win teams getting a
home game, and it's like, what's the point of the
season if I win fourteen games and I gotta go
try go on the road?

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Oh? Really that point? Yeah no, that's bad.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
That's bad, and they gotta fix that, man. But it
would be hard to fix then because then that thing
and it will be it will be too much. Now
everybody go just play for rental records and then and
then it's like all games matter said, it's just the
visit games be all right, right, It's it's.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Gonna be interesting.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
It's gonna come down to the wire because every team
ain't gonna be five and two down the stretch. But
right now it's it's it's about tie breakers and stuff
like that. But this for this tie that the Packers had,
it's playing today advantage right now.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
It's not a loss.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
So they got four wins and everybody else got five,
but they on top because they got the tie in
the aults.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah, yeah that's yeah, yeah, that's We'll we'll see how
that goes as it continues. But but I think I
think a lot of these teams on the on the
NFC side are going to be there. I think I
gotta feel in the Chargers may fall off because one
one glaring omission from this AFC side is.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Who mm hm, who's what do you mean? Somebody somebody
that's just a shaka. Yeah, somebody that's not there, that
is always there. Oh Kansas City. Yeah. I didn't even
he used not say that. Oh shit, I'm thank you.
I said it. I'm like, I even here say Kansas City. Yeh,

(31:07):
they in there. Somebody gotta be removed. Yeah, So I
think the Chargers are probably gonna be out.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
You know, the jag gotta their their division has gotten
tougher with with Indianapolis being you know, it depends on
how you play against Indianapolis. But uh, I think the
Chargers are gonna be out. They they're they're missing both tackles.
I mean, Joe Alt is gonna come back eventually, but
their offensive line is depleted, omari On Hampton is out,
their backs are beat up defensively. They got Khalil Mack back,

(31:35):
but it's just a tough road. We got him this
week playing Minnesota Vikings on Thursday nights in the fall,
so that that game will go a long way to
determine how this shakes out. But but I know the
Chief's gonna be in there. If the Chiefs ain't in there,
everybody runs it, then color me surprised.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
I'm look, I'll be surprised. Look I read. I bet
my house the playoff. I bet I'm gonna be in
the playoffs. Yeah, I'll be safe for money, real good safe. Well.
I appreciate you as always, big player.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
I know it's your off day and I know you
got things to do, but I appreciate you joining us,
appreciate you spending some time with us. Good luck this
weekend Sunday night football. Check him out. He's gonna have
a yellow cleat song.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Hey, I'm gonna try to swag it out man. Let's
try to swag it out man. But appreciate you, appreciate
your bet for letting come on man.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
All love, all love, and I appreciate you guys joining
us as always. You could be anywhere in the world,
but you're here with us and we shortly appreciate it.
See you next times heard
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