Sophie Cunningham and West Wilson break down a fiery week in the WNBA — from brutal officiating and lack of league accountability to Minnesota Lynx star Napheesa Collier calling out leadership in a headline-making exit interview. Sophie reacts to Cathy Engelbert’s comments on Caitlin Clark, talks about why players feel disrespected, and warns that a lockout could be coming. Plus: Indiana Fever’s roller-coaster season review, Las Vegas Aces vs. Phoenix Mercury Finals predictions, celebrity All-Star moments, benches-clearing kickball drama, Chiefs vs. Ravens, and why online dating might be broken.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We have the best athletes in the entire world, and
we know what we deserve and we won't be playing
or doing anything until we get what we deserve.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
And I think a lot of people think we're just talking.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
We are.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Our union right now.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Is as strong as it's ever been and it's super exciting.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Guys.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Welcome to episode ten of the Show Me Something Podcast.
One of are sadder. I don't even know if that's
a word. I like more sad episodes. I have a
little cold and the fever season has come to an
in both devastating parts of our week. But I think
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we can all say we would farther than we thought
we would.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
So I thought, yes, I thought that we would have.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yeah, I don't want.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
To say this, like, if you're looking at the competition,
we should have been done. I don't even know if
we should have made playoffs with the amount of injuries
and everything we did. And then we took a team
that's won two times in the past I think three years.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
They have five Olympians on their team. We took them to.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Overtime MVP on their team like yep, which dude, they
could not miss a goddamn shot.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Were you talking about grat Chelsea Gray.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
She came in clutch for him, but I will say
she had two heaves and Dana Evans had a heave
that they weren't even looking at the room, just threw
it from their hip and it went in like, no,
it's all good.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
That one when the shot clock was running down was
ularly yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
I mean, we'll get into the game, We'll get into
the season. But also we had to hop on this
pod because our good friend Fisa dropping absolute nukes on
the w NBA League, which I would already say your
Instagram comment, you're already gonna get fined.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I assume we're gonna let it rip here.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
But basically the WNBA there's a lot of dialogue going
on right now as we head into.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Finals week, and I think this is gonna be a
good episode.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Despite shooting one hundred percent at my celib basketball.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Game, it is a Sophie Cunning gam episode.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So wait, real quick, were you start? Were you one
for one? Because I know you hit that first layup.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Yeah, I made the first bug and I didn't and
I didn't show the rest of the game, baby.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
So you get your stat line? Did you get your
stat line from last week.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
No, the it like went way faster than I thought.
They ended up being twelve minute halves and it was
a running clock so it was in me subbed, so
it was like you got to keep it moving. I
think we should just check in. Season is over.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
How do you feel?
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I mean, tough way to go out, but like, I
don't know, how are you feeling today?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
How do you feel waking up?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Honestly, it's so crazy because I think if the whistle
would have gone just a couple more plays our way,
we would be in the finals.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Like I'm not even kidding, And that is something.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Oh because a Leah fouled out huh.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Like who I mean?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
That was brutal and two or three of her fouls
were just bullshit. And my thing is too you got
to know who's in the game. Awful, awful, awful, and
like people come to watch watch these players. She's an
All Star. You don't foul out an All Star in
the finals. Like that's where it just gets me, Like
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that is you just you don't do that. People aren't
paying money to come watch you ref a game to
sit an All Stars ass on the bench. What are
we doing?
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Like I'm sure someone from Vegas would be like, oh,
like classic excuse that is very much a thing though, dude, Like.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
You're trying to grow products, grow league.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
We're not fouling out all stars on a big state
like if they if she was, if they were like
text or she was like like hacking people under the
rim whatever, But yeah, those were go either ways, And
like I even think about.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
That, And there was a clip it was like a
two minute video going around of all the fouls that
they did not call on their All Stars or their players,
and it was like you like you knew, you knew
the agenda, like they made it too obvious, and you know,
I think the rest, they truly do have a hard job.
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And at the end of the day, like everyone is
texting them just trying to get clarity of why is
this called?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Why is this not called?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
At the end of the day, like they respond, well,
this meets the criteria.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Well then the criteria needs to change.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
If our game is growing and it's changing, then our
criteria can't be from the seventeen hundreds, like let's go,
let's get with the times a little bit. And I
think we want the league to be more physical. But
at this point, how the season has been going like
the regular season.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
That's really the physicality.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Play off basketball should be like we're we're out there
killing each other, everyone's getting injured, Like that's that's not
fun for the fans to watch. It's not fun to
play like keep basketball basketball because we are very highly skilled,
competitive basketball players who are very elite at our craft.
That's what people want to see. They don't want to
see us hacking each other. And I know that's coming
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from me, but I do that to make a point
that like call the first fucking fifteen fouls, like what
are we doing?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
My biggest question for you then would be like why
do we think? And I know I know where it
starts and who we will We will address Kathy later,
but like why is the officiating in the WNBA so
much more is inconsistent than other leagues? Is it they
don't go through training that other officials do. Is it
that they're not held accountable? Is it that there's not
(05:51):
like strict like a rule book for the WNA, Like
why do we find it?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Like?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
What about it? It's clearly not just you.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
There are so many people upset with officiating in the WNBA.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Clearly the fact that someone just had to make a full.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
PSA for actual an interview and you don't even have
to know the answer.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I just like, what's the root of it.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I don't know all the answers, and I am I
am having these conversations to try to get clarity of
where we should as a league take this, because I
think it's from top to bottom when it comes to coaches,
assistant coaches, players from one to twelve to thirteen on
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the roster, Like we are all saying the same thing.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
We're all saying the same thing. Like it's not just
two or three people.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Saying it here, and you know what, to be honest,
like I hate to compare it, but this is just facts.
I would love to know the criteria that NBA refs
have to meet compared to what WNBA ress have to be,
Like you know, like what is the comparison there? And
like I truly do think that Like there I said
(07:02):
this today in my exit interview that I think that
we have a lot of smart business like people in
the league, which wonderful, you're great at business, but they
don't know shit about.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Basketball and that is a huge, huge problem.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
And so I think they do as best as they can,
but I think it's on us players that when we retire,
or if it's people who aren't pros but still played
at the collegiate level or have some sense of playing
the game and having a brain, that they need to
start maybe investing into these possession positions to make you know,
(07:38):
the next generation even better than what it is for us.
And so I think it's just continuing to have those
conversations of how do we improve the officiating.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Again, their job is hard. Their job is very hard.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I would never want their job, but I do think
there needs to be some accountability, some open lines of
efficient communications because at the in the day they're part
of our game, Like we want them to feel good
and be proud that they're officiating in the w And
you know what, maybe if we gave them more money,
(08:10):
they would feel maybe more invested where they wouldn't have
to go because I know the the w refs they
also officiate college. You know, right, they're in the big
ten SEC. They're oh, well, then that's your first fucking problem. Yeah,
they're they're working. They shouldn't be double dipping in other leagues.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
That's like, I know, because aren't the rules like there's
different ways to call the game, like people are okay, Well,
problem number one also, I'm going to say it, they
have to wear those tight ASTs. I wouldn't want to
wear that tight ass fucking shirt if they have to
wear either like the child's medium.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Shit.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
You know, I'll work on the their actual calling. You
work on the fits. That's how we're gonna make this
league better.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
I'll design some w NBA ref shirts and then maybe
we'll then we'll get some more I don't know some
people out obviously uh Nofista Colliers was it in? It
was an exit interview I guess with with Minnesota media.
Basically just before a question is even asked, called out
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your commissioner and said that, Like I mean, she said
a lot of things, but I would say the biggest
sentiment was one, officiating is a huge issue that's not
addressed or.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Taken seriously by the league. And then two that the
upper I don't want to call it.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
I don't want to just single out Kathy, but like
the important people in the w n B, A don't
give a shit about the players, And in no way,
shape or form has she's shown any empathy or ability
to recognize what this new generation of Hooper's are doing
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for the WNBA, mostly CC but the Angel Page, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
So first off, I'm sure you watched.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
The speech because you've already talked shit on the internet,
But like, what did you think of that speech? Because
I found it that takes balls, that takes big fucking
balls to do what she did. And I think when
you have players willing to put their neck out on
the line like that to make a statement, clearly something's
(10:34):
something can be fixed and something can be better when
players are making that big of a risk. So I
guess just thoughts on our speech, and I'm going to
regret saying this, but feel free to talk about Kathy well.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
You know what, I'll actually I think I've kind of
said my thoughts.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
But I think at the end of the day, everyone's
fed up, fed up with how the league is treating us,
and if you hear how our CBA negotiations are going,
it shows you how disrespectful and like they should feel
ashamed of themselves for what they're giving back to us,
(11:17):
because it's nothing, it is nothing.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
They're not listening, and the thing is they're not.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Even engaging with us, not even engaging like it is.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
It is bad.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
And so when when we're talking about a lockout or
a strike, I think.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I was just gonna ask is a lot like is
that thing yes?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Because I mean I am because to the media and
I think to the world, it does take a lot
of balls for what Nefisa did.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
And you see that.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
All of us, all of us are backing her because
we've been feeling this way and it was just a
matter of time until someone said something and the fact
that it was her, one of the star players that
everyone knows in the WNBA, and like where she's at
on our players Association board, on the exec board is huge, huge,
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and like everyone is backing her. But it's because we're
us as players. We are fed up with how the
league is treating us like it is awful, and like
I just can't. I'm not allowed to talk about details
about the CBA quite yet, but.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
When we do, you are going to be shook, shook
to the core.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Like am I am I allowed to ask you if
that's in compensation?
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Is that in? I think, I mean, I assume that's
the thing.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
But the biggest thing is revenue share.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
So like I'm I think all of us are agreement
that like, our salary should be tied to the business
that we bring in and it is not at all
right and like but it's.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Not even close.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
It is the most disrespectful percentage that you I I
think any league has ever seen.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Like it is just where do they want the money
to go?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
I just know that they well, I mean, well, if
it's not going like is it going back into literally
the league or is it like hiring it's.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
It's not hiring executives because we've had the same people
on board for fucking twenty seven years.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah, like what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Like, I just I just think there's so much room
for improvement.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
And my thing is, like I know nfisus said this,
and I think other players have since said this, but
we talk about it all the time.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
That like we we want to keep.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
The W in business, like we want the W to
thrive of course, Like this is the best momentum the
W has ever had, and it's time to capitalize on it.
Like why are we not working together to push this
league further than any league has ever seen for female sports?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Because we have that potential.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
I'm I'm just curious what her why she is so
afraid of Kaitlin or like, why would you not embrace
someone like that and just be so dismissive of she
said she's lucky. What was the quote she told And
if he says she said she's lucky, she wouldn't make
(14:20):
all this money without the platform to give her, which
is first off, just not fucking true. She signed a
didn't you sign a Nike deal before? And a TV
deal before she left Iowa? Dude, what are we doing?
The most successful leagues in the world we live in
are the fucking NBA, MLB, NFL. Like they embrace their
fucking stars. It's like it's like the kindergarten lesson for
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owning a fucking league. It's like these are who people
buy jerseys of and what networks want to fucking play
your shit Like even to like, I mean, she probably
didn't know if he was gonna give that speech, but
like to be so dismissive of arguably your the best
player in the face of your league is like so bonkers.
(15:05):
I don't know where you even are coming from. And
I guess because I looked her up the other night
and I was wondering she's been the commissioner for ever
and I wonder if maybe in the beginning stages of
the WNBA, when I mean, you guys had stars, but
it wasn't on this level. Like it's it almost like
an ego thing where she thought that maybe she was
(15:28):
like on the mountain rushmore of current WNBA like important,
important faces, and now that there's so many of you guys,
she like doesn't like it's just just weird. And I
don't know what logic there is to behaving like that,
because there is none.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Great leaders want to see other people be more successful
than them. They want to make sure that they're cared for,
like there can be a very and.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
She's the business side of it, like I get it,
But you can be respectful and treat your product product
of why people are paying attention, why people are buying
certain jerseys, treat your product with respect, like be a
great leader.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
She's not.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
She's not in any sense, And it's just the disrespect
is just crazy to me. But honestly, I think this
is just such a pivotal point in the WNBA because
there's so many eyes on us, there's so many new fans,
there's millions of millions, I should say new fans and
at the end of the day, she's worried about her
(16:30):
and all of her statements. It's all like, well, I
got us here and I should Kathy. No one cares. Literally,
no one cares, Like how you're sitting right there. That's
how we feel every time she speaks, every time she
speaks us as players, That's how we feel.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Am I allowed to read your Instagram comment?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Or do you want that put behind us?
Speaker 5 (16:53):
No?
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Go read it, lead it? No? Hell no, Well I
don't know. You've been fined so much you'll for sure
you're find for that way.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Not. I mean, I'm out of season, so I don't think.
I don't think they can find me anymore.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I'm out of season. I'm not getting paid.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I've never said I'm gonna be banned from two leagues.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
I'm gonna be banned from two leagues after this podcast?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
You did?
Speaker 4 (17:19):
You on Instagram? You said people only know Kathy because
of c Kaylen Clark. She's the most delusional leader, balls, ballsy.
But obviously I think all of this dialogue coming from
NFI say is good. I just at this point in time,
I feel like the right thing to do would be
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just put your ego down for one second, like like
anyone's gonna be offended when people talk shit on you, duh,
But like you are a leader amongst a bunch of
women and a bunch of women who are growing something
huge in our country.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I think it would be beneficial to like.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Take a second look the mirror and realize, like, could
I be doing things differently and better? But I feel
like she's so reactive and like defensive when people call
her out for shit that like, dude, like I find it.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I find it all baffling, and we don't stay on
this forever.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
But like I look at us now, like whatever Nefisa did,
there's a chance in two years we look back and
we're like, oh, was this the first domino in kind
of like maybe reshaping the administration in the WNBA.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I have no idea if.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
It, and I have every right to believe.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I don't think Nefisa would be saying that, but if
it's true of what she said, that Caitlin should be
thinking her go go ahead and just go back for Kablo,
because you should not be sitting in that seat like
that is insane. And what I know I said this earlier,
but like when when when I say that they're not
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listening to us as players, they're not even engaging.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Well, that's a fucking perfect example.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Like I just it's really not that hard.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Like I know, I know that business can be tough,
but doing the right thing by people and treating people
with respect and giving people their flowers and working together,
it's really not that it's it's managing people.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
It's managing people. But like they're just so worried about.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Them, them, them, like the III that this is why
she should not be in the seat that she's sitting in.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
It almost feels like the w got like so like
popular that like the foundation of it almost like couldn't
keep up with its own product.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Like you almost like they weren't ready, I guess, but you.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Know what, that's okay, Like and that's okay weird, But
it's fine to admit when you need help, right, and
and it's okay to understand when you're not cut out
for something. Well, then bring people in who are like
my thing is, you got to keep growing. You always
need to keep growing. In with that, the league needs
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to keep growing. That doesn't mean that we have the
same criteria and the same things we did from year
one of the.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
W like with this as a completely.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
No, and that requires admitting.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
That requires admitting that you aren't where you need to
be or you aren't capable of keeping up with something
and getting help. But it's again, it seems like everything
is so reactive and like I've built all of.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
This, like I don't need any fucking help.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
These players did none of this, and you'll like never
ever ever go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Fun right here with you.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
And I think it's funny too, because I think we
have a lot of we have the best athletes in
the entire world, and we know what we deserve and
we won't be playing or doing anything until we get
what we deserve.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
And I think a lot of people think we're just talking.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
We are.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Our union right now.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Is as strong as it's ever been and it's super exciting,
So I'm ready for it.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Also was going to ask Kelsey Mitchell's injury was so
bizarre looking because it wasn't common.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Can we talk about here real quick? Because she is
like the most amazing human.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Okay, I just that was crazy. I don't even say anything.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Because Kelsey is the most selfless, humble, human you will
ever ever meet. And I think if we would have
made it, if we would have if we would have won,
and she would have been healthy, she should have been MVP.
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Speaker 1 (23:16):
I'm not taking away from Asia, but nobody, nobody in
our entire league could stop Kelsey Mitchell this year. And
I want to be her biggest fan because she is just,
I'm not kidding, the best human that you could possibly
ever be around.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
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Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yes, she too.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
How scary was that?
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Like she.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Did you see the statement she came out.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
With, she like stopped walking, No, but she like fully
like froze up. And then the ref where I'm gonna
get rid.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
An amazing mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
That ref was very nice. But and then she like,
then I think this treasure came out. It was just
it was it was a very weird secret.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
So what happened?
Speaker 1 (24:00):
She put out a statement and starts with an h
I forgot how what it's called.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
But first of all, I do want.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
To shout out Isaac because we give the rest a
lot of shit, but at the end of the day,
they're they're all good humans to the core, and like
that was super sweet of him to help her.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
But she just got a full body cramp.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
But it's like imagine having a Charlie horse but times
one hundred like it.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
It was. It was bad.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
It was she was a little sick, super dehydrated. But
really the doctor just said, you know, like she played
her wheels came off like her body was just too
a point of exhaustion where she couldn't go anymore, and
like I believe it, man, like she put the team
on her back all season long, and you know, it
just came down to that.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
But she is.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
She was in a full body cramp.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
They rushed her to the hospital, got some i VS
in her, did some blood work, and she's gonna be good.
But she's super sore. She's moving, she's walking slowly. But
it was It just sucked because I would have been
number eight. It was number eight of our true roster
to go out, and so it just it just sucks
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that we just got hit with the injury bug that
bad and then at the end of the day that's
how she goes out. It's like, no one's surprised, but
it just sucks that Kels had to go through that.
But our team rallied and fought for you know, so
that was kind of cool. But I guess they're used
to doing that by now.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I googled what it's called rado. My lusses rab dough.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
But it could be like that condition could get really bad,
but like hers was bad, but it could be like
really really bad.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
So we're thankful, but it still sucks, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
I guess just a little look back. You guys are
succeed Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Succeed? Injury bug, crazy, big stars, hurt. What's like your
I don't know one word to describe the season for you, obviously, Yeah,
for sure.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
I think of it.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I'm just grateful, Like this season has been so fun
and so amazing in more ways than I can even.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Count.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
One our locker room, like number one is what I'm
getting at, is our locker room was so close knit
and so fun and just full of love that like
I've never been part of a locker room like that ever,
and it was awesome. But then it was also a
season from hell too because of the injury bug.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
But through it all, I'm grateful.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I think the relationships and the memories that this team
created is going to be one for a lifetime. Like
people don't even go through the amount of adversity and
everything that happened to us in a career, let alone
one season. So it just like this team will always
remember this for the good and the bad.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
And a locker room is never the same next year,
I mean, you want to keep and if we.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Can get this CBA worked out, like who knows, Like
no one's under contract, Like, who knows what's going to happen?
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Ye are scary though, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
This could be my last time in an Indiana bab Jersey.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Ah scary.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
I guess if you've had you've had what forty eight
hours to kind of let it sink in.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Do you have a little finals preview? Obviously, I know
you're rooting.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
For any of them.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Mercury.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Have you seen that song going around?
Speaker 1 (27:42):
You know?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
And I don't even know if I'm going to watch.
I'm over it.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
I need to.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I need a break from the toxicity of the w
n b A.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
It's been uh drama filled season for multiple reasons.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Dude, that might be some of the real issue.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
You ever said, I'm drake to get it, you're gonna
go I started to go from me for my fines,
I no, no, no, no, no, So I'm kidding.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I I put it out there because I was just
totally kidding. But then people actually started donating and I
was like, oh no, no, no, no, like I'm I'm kidding.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
But so I'm just gonna give it all away to charity,
even though I would love to buy a yacht, but
I guess I'll just have to get another endorsement for that.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
You're for sure going to get fined for this episode,
for sure. I can already feel it.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
But you know that's fun unless you truly can't get
fined in the off season. In that case, salute so
one time for the Indiana Fever twenty twenty five season.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
All right, I wanna enough about us, because jeez, I'm
fish strained, But tell us all about your celebrity basketball game.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
And like, who was there?
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Well, my point guard was eight Yeah, of Island. He's
probably five. Yeah, he's like probably a five to seven
or five eight.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Maybe those girls on there even more little because he
looks like a like he looked.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Yeah, there were some. There were some itty bitty girls,
uh that played.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
There are also some like hoopers do There's so many
like random people who are just like freak athletes that
you wouldn't just never know. But okay, yeah, so I
started the game. First bucket of the game is this
dude named Jay Sinco. He's like a rapper and a
model from La great guy. A little breakaway and they
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had like two dudes kind of like hanging around the paine.
He just gave me a little dish and I came
up underneath. It looked like I was about to get
my shit fucking jammed against the backboard, and I just
snuck it right in and the shot a little hype,
probably because I was like one of the white out there.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Like the only guy, and I loved it.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
So yeah, they probably weren't ready for that. And then yeah,
I was like, no need to shoot the ball anywhere.
It's also a double fucking rim for a pick for a.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah, but all out you're normally double double ram because
they have to be strong enough for the weather.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
So that was I was like, I probably shouldn't take
any jumpers with this.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Now.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
The funniest thing I tried to go set a pick
for Ace and he called me off. He called out,
He called he said an iso. I was on my
way over and he was like he cleared me out.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Welto my world.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Okay, Sophie, stay your ass in the corner, get out
of everyone's way, all.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Right, get the fucking Yeah. But it was fun and
like it was kind of close. We made a we
made a three to like win the game, so it
was really fun. But I would have made you proud, though.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
I think, dude, next time, you do something like that.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yeah, first bucket thing just kept it.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I want to come in like low key commentate it,
like into a little v log.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
That would be you have so much fun and something
like that. I wore, I wore KDS.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
I did get I got drove on once like kind
of like the top, like the corner of the key,
and I just didn't. I was low enough, didn't shuffle.
I was tired. I've read how tired?
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Did anyone? Did anyone forces left?
Speaker 4 (31:40):
No? I nedn'ver wrot the ball up because I'm down.
I'm getting bored. I'm mister remember.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Wait, wait did you have what days it? Did you
already do kickball?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Sister?
Speaker 4 (31:54):
I'm headed there tonight, which I should say though last week?
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Wait is cleared? You gotta tell me?
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Yeah, oh I texted you? Okay.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
So one, we play games on Thursday nights. Okay, So
like there are people who come to the games from
like a work happy hour. They've had a few beverages.
Same with other teams.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Whatever.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
If we were playing a team that like, I do
not want to be this guy, but I'm gonna you know,
like you're it's a team that like doesn't look athletic,
but like you can tell, it's like they're like nights
season together, and like they got like.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
They have the chemistry in the rhythm.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
They've got chemistry and they just like ice feel like
they're gonna be good even though they all look like
like yeah, just like kind of like oompa loompas, you know.
And they were good, and we the score was like
three to one.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
The whole game. Here's the biggest problem.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
So, so you have to have girls kick every so often,
you have to have so many girls in the field whatever.
My team is full of a lot of like girls
who want the T shirt and to like hang out.
It's not every girl is like like in the dug
out like ready to kick. And so I'm always like,
we need girls, but it would take us fucking forever
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if like we went through our order of girls like
every so often. So I'm kind of just like, yeah,
like let's just keep it rolling, you know. But this team,
like we get to like the fourth fifth inning and
they're like this girl's and kick, this girl's and kick.
They're kicking it get like ye fuck out, which is true. Yes,
And like we were technically technically speaking, not following anymore.
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But I was like like, yeah, like let's go.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
I'm like a fucking cheater. I just like want to
ship the way.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
You're there for a good time, for a good time.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Yeah, and I want everyone to like be able to
play and like get through the inning like whatever. So
they're like losing it and then starts kind of chirping.
Other teams starts chirping, and then every time, like between innings,
everyone's kind of like talking shit. When we're like crossing
to go to the duguts. I never talked shit because
I'm like co ed and I'm not gonna like like
talk shit with girls and like fat guy, Like it's
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just just like not what I'm here to do. But
so then they're like yelling at the ump, the poor
ump by himself just going co ed kickball is like
a side job, and they are like motherfucking this guy,
like you don't paying a fuck attention, Like what the fuck?
Like then he like then there was a question on
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the score we.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Ended up time, were you down time? Right?
Speaker 4 (34:43):
I kind of felt yeah, we came back and like
I felt kind of weird about it because they were.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Like calling us out for something that we like were
doing but.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Yeah, but then I'm like, guys, I talked to everyone
after the game, like, we can't fight and argue and
shit talk and be annoying if we aren't gonna like
all kick you know.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
I literally felt like it was the first time in
my life. I felt like I was a coach, and
I had like a speech naturally like I don't know,
we did it, we fully did it, and I go, guys,
we like, can't we can't act like that if we're
gonna like do the whole thing where like we're like, yeah,
letting girls not kick. So then we break it down
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and I look in the corner. They're still yelling at
this ref and the ref is is yelling back at them,
like screaming, like like it was like other teams were
like filming the game full and I was like, game's
fully over, and he's like he's like, you're getting like
this upset about a fucking kickbook and they're yelling at him,
and I was like, dude, not good, not great, because
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then you have to go play them and.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Flip cup at the bar like that would have happened.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I feel like like, y'all just go like that's weird.
That's just weird, like give them the Flip Cup game,
go to your own bar and half phone with your team,
Like that's weird to me, Like it's not that serious.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
No, I agree, But so then we go to the
bar and it was like everyone's kind of like walk
on eggshells. And then they were actually like very cool.
When we got to the bar. It's best of seven.
They went up three to zero, and then we rattled
off four and a round and beat them again. So
it ended up yeah, yeah, bury them. We basically stole
like three points the whole night, but kind of crazy.
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And then they the league, Folo called me in the morning.
You're like, what what the fuck happened? So I'd like
tell my team was like, dude, the league called me
because you're fucking can.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
You tell me? Don't like Kathy, who's your guys's league commissioner?
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Oh great question.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
I don't know if I'll ever meet like the super
higher up because the league has like there's leagues all
over the East Coast. There's like Miami, Volo, Boston, Vollo, Baltimore.
Like you can play team sports in all these cities
like throughout your mates. It's great, But I did yeah, forties,
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but basically had to like take a call and they
were like, dude, we heard about the incident, like we
heard binges cleared like run us through it. And I
was like, I was honest told him. I was like, yeah,
sometimes our girls skip their turn kicking, but I'm trying
to I'm trying to keep an efficient plant.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Ye, your fans to come back?
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Yeah? Do you want the bleachers?
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Bring the girls, give him over there, give them people drinks,
and let me kick the fucking out of the ball.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yes, I get it.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Literally.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
I was like, I was like, these girls are hot
and want a T shirt and I cannot force them
every time to.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Get next next year, can we have a white T shirt?
And can you make sure it rains every Thursday? Do
you really want fans?
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (37:44):
I actually don't think there. I don't think there is
a white T shirt team because they probably know well. No,
I was wondering, you know, is it is there a
team out there?
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Dude?
Speaker 2 (37:56):
That's actually insane though, and the fact that people take
it that serious.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Yeah, I mean I do, like I want to win
and I'm upset when we lose, but I'm not going
to like fight like you know, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Think I said that comment to probably the most serious
player on the on the roster.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Of any league.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
No, I think if you're fighting at kickball, to me,
it's very much like I can tell who like didn't
play sports, you know, because you're like, you're.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Like, you know, that reminds me of It reminds me
of like the average Joe's versus Global Gym, and like
they were the No, you guys are the average Joe's,
like just trying to have a good time, and the
other ones were just taking it so serious, even though
that team maybe win Joe's because you said that, they
were kind of but it's.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
You know, it's kickball. Can't judge book by its cover.
All the things I wish I didn't.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Go for the for the knees, go for the knees.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
I tried, dude, I try my hardest. Also real quick
called big at thirty seconds. Did you watch the Chiefs
games Sunday or did you play Someday?
Speaker 2 (39:03):
I think we played Sunday. We played Sunday.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
They fucking they beat them. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah. The quarterback, Yeah, didn't he like terror the amstring?
Speaker 3 (39:20):
No, It's like it's like three weeks but he came
out after.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
We were after we were already up, like it's like,
can we talk about it?
Speaker 1 (39:29):
So back on travel that happened like two weekends ago
when Travis and our best guy was getting into it
on the on the sideline, Andy Reid.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
They've done that a few times and like if you
watch interviews with him, I feel like they're like father son,
uh and they like I At this point, it doesn't
really freak me out, but that one. There was a
time the Super Bowl go when when Travis like really
gave him a bump and Andy joked after and he's
like yeah, like kind of caught me off balance.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
Ah.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
That one, like I was like, whoa try this bad luck?
This one really was like I ran up on trying.
Was like motherfucking him. But I like to see that means.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Well, they're like yeah you do.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
They do care and they have that relationship and that
respect that they're able to do that.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
But like nowadays, coaches I feel like aren't allowed.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
To do that on any level because people are just
fucking weak.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
They're not mentally tough.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Yeah, the art of hard coaching is like a little
more taboo. Uh, well it has than it used to be.
Are we doing are we doing it? Tell me something
for this EP.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Let's do it. Let's do it all right, guys, let's
start this up here.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
Hey Tozy, Hey Wes, he can direct the podcast. I
absolutely love y'all. I think you play all each other
really well. You're both hilarious. A quick question for you.
So you both travel a lot, you live in different
places in your experience, where do you think has had
the worst dating pool? I'm in San Diego and it's
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a it's a dog eat dog world out here. It's rough,
So I'm curious where you think you've had the craziest
experience the dating pool and why? Side note this is
also both of your formal invitations and my best friend's
wedding in Texas November twenty second. Come on out, don't worry.
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It's been approved by her, so she's allowed this invitation. Well,
if open bar, dance floor will be chickens for Sylvie
to chase here in the back the day before the
wedding wedding rehearsal well, I think that's what it's called.
But it'll be a mets and restaurant with karaokee so too.
That for what it's worth. I mean a lot of fun,
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lots of booze. You're both invited, so bring your boots,
come on.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Out, Damni. On the dating pool, I had a little
hot take. If you were in a city and you
think the dating pool's bad, it might be time to
look in the mirror, perhaps.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Because if you're like what the pool is gonna be?
Speaker 4 (42:09):
This is not about Caitlin, by the way, this is
just like people always want to be like, oh, like
New York sucks to date, or like La sucks. I'm
moving out of Kansas City because it it's hard to day.
It's about like it's just about trial and air. Like
if you're in a smaller place, there are less options,
so it's gonna be tougher. But like, I don't think
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geographic uh, like locations change how you date people. Like
the point of being a good dater is that you
can kind of ebb and flow and chameleon where you are.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
You know. That's kind of my take.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
I think that if you're moving somewhere, it's it's kind
of on you find who matches your swag.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yes, I agree, Are you going to the wedding West.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
And then yeah, we'll both go, said.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Chicken singing karaoke at a Mexican bar and drinking beer.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
That does actually come of sound nice.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
I think I am honestly like not a big dater,
like I'm not, I'm not one just like go on
dates with random people.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
But it doesn't have to be like first dates.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
It could be like dudes that you've like been dating
or seen and how do they turn out?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
I think dating is like your exclusive.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
Do doing. I think now dating means like just like
being a talking chat do SCX explode, like going on
dates because some people can go on dates, thing can
be inside see.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
I feel like dating is when your I feel.
Speaker 6 (44:04):
Like like my experience with dating is like I'm talking
to you and we're hanging out, and it's like like
I'm not I have I'm not good at doing that
with multiple people, Like I just can't do.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
I'm just not good at that. I've never been good
at that. What Oh yeah, this is this is what
makes us so good because I feel like we're too.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Different, like two different people when it comes to that,
because I just can't.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
It doesn't mean that I haven't like had like my
butt and like flirted and whatever, but like I'm just
when it comes to when I hear dating that means
like I'm like exclusive with someone.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
M M. I'm starting to think if I've ever met
like to me, the question makes me think, like, have
you ever been in a location and just like hated
everyone of the opposite sex?
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Well, I'm never saying know, like I think being out
in Scottsdale, if I wasn't like around yeah, like if
I wasn't around like the like the NBA guys or
other athletes out there, Like there's no way I would
ever date anyone from out there because I'm more masculine
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than them, like they have more botox and fillers and
like looks so pretty dude, Like just Scottsdale people, like
Arizona people, they're not.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Like, yes, I need like a I need like a man,
like I need a man.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
So I think I think, I think say what oh,
I said, I got it.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
I think geographically that makes sense though, like there's just
some states or like some areas that the men are
going to be a little more of feminine and.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
Like I can tell you where it's good Kaylin, New York.
A lot of options, a lot of everything. It's like
literally a jungle like I go out on my blog
right now and there's gonna be ninety hot chicks at
like eating dinner outside, and they all have different types
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of jobs, and they're all from different states.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
Or countries and it's just beautiful.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
And then you say what do you what are you
doing later and they're like, I'm not driving home.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
Boom. Next thing you knows four am Kaylin. We'll see that.
We'll see the wedding good
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Way to in the podcast
We have the best athletes in the entire world, and
we know what we deserve and we won't be playing
or doing anything until we get what we deserve.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
And I think a lot of people think we're just talking.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
We are.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Our union right now.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Is as strong as it's ever been and it's super exciting.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Guys.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Welcome to episode ten of the Show Me Something Podcast.
One of are sadder. I don't even know if that's
a word. I like more sad episodes. I have a
little cold and the fever season has come to an
in both devastating parts of our week. But I think
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we can all say we would farther than we thought
we would.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
So I thought, yes, I thought that we would have.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yeah, I don't want.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
To say this, like, if you're looking at the competition,
we should have been done. I don't even know if
we should have made playoffs with the amount of injuries
and everything we did. And then we took a team
that's won two times in the past I think three years.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
They have five Olympians on their team. We took them to.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Overtime MVP on their team like yep, which dude, they
could not miss a goddamn shot.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Were you talking about grat Chelsea Gray.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
She came in clutch for him, but I will say
she had two heaves and Dana Evans had a heave
that they weren't even looking at the room, just threw
it from their hip and it went in like, no,
it's all good.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
That one when the shot clock was running down was
ularly yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
I mean, we'll get into the game, We'll get into
the season. But also we had to hop on this
pod because our good friend Fisa dropping absolute nukes on
the w NBA League, which I would already say your
Instagram comment, you're already gonna get fined.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I assume we're gonna let it rip here.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
But basically the WNBA there's a lot of dialogue going
on right now as we head into.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Finals week, and I think this is gonna be a
good episode.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Despite shooting one hundred percent at my celib basketball.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Game, it is a Sophie Cunning gam episode.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So wait, real quick, were you start? Were you one
for one? Because I know you hit that first layup.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Yeah, I made the first bug and I didn't and
I didn't show the rest of the game, baby.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
So you get your stat line? Did you get your
stat line from last week.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
No, the it like went way faster than I thought.
They ended up being twelve minute halves and it was
a running clock so it was in me subbed, so
it was like you got to keep it moving. I
think we should just check in. Season is over.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
How do you feel?
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I mean, tough way to go out, but like, I
don't know, how are you feeling today?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
How do you feel waking up?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Honestly, it's so crazy because I think if the whistle
would have gone just a couple more plays our way,
we would be in the finals.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Like I'm not even kidding, And that is something.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Oh because a Leah fouled out huh.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Like who I mean?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
That was brutal and two or three of her fouls
were just bullshit. And my thing is too you got
to know who's in the game. Awful, awful, awful, and
like people come to watch watch these players. She's an
All Star. You don't foul out an All Star in
the finals. Like that's where it just gets me, Like
(03:34):
that is you just you don't do that. People aren't
paying money to come watch you ref a game to
sit an All Stars ass on the bench. What are
we doing?
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Like I'm sure someone from Vegas would be like, oh,
like classic excuse that is very much a thing though, dude, Like.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
You're trying to grow products, grow league.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
We're not fouling out all stars on a big state
like if they if she was, if they were like
text or she was like like hacking people under the
rim whatever, But yeah, those were go either ways, And
like I even think about.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
That, And there was a clip it was like a
two minute video going around of all the fouls that
they did not call on their All Stars or their players,
and it was like you like you knew, you knew
the agenda, like they made it too obvious, and you know,
I think the rest, they truly do have a hard job.
(04:28):
And at the end of the day, like everyone is
texting them just trying to get clarity of why is
this called?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Why is this not called?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
At the end of the day, like they respond, well,
this meets the criteria.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Well then the criteria needs to change.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
If our game is growing and it's changing, then our
criteria can't be from the seventeen hundreds, like let's go,
let's get with the times a little bit. And I
think we want the league to be more physical. But
at this point, how the season has been going like
the regular season.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
That's really the physicality.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Play off basketball should be like we're we're out there
killing each other, everyone's getting injured, Like that's that's not
fun for the fans to watch. It's not fun to
play like keep basketball basketball because we are very highly skilled,
competitive basketball players who are very elite at our craft.
That's what people want to see. They don't want to
see us hacking each other. And I know that's coming
(05:21):
from me, but I do that to make a point
that like call the first fucking fifteen fouls, like what
are we doing?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
My biggest question for you then would be like why
do we think? And I know I know where it
starts and who we will We will address Kathy later,
but like why is the officiating in the WNBA so
much more is inconsistent than other leagues? Is it they
don't go through training that other officials do. Is it
that they're not held accountable? Is it that there's not
(05:51):
like strict like a rule book for the WNA, Like
why do we find it?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Like?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
What about it? It's clearly not just you.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
There are so many people upset with officiating in the WNBA.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Clearly the fact that someone just had to make a full.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
PSA for actual an interview and you don't even have
to know the answer.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I just like, what's the root of it.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I don't know all the answers, and I am I
am having these conversations to try to get clarity of
where we should as a league take this, because I
think it's from top to bottom when it comes to coaches,
assistant coaches, players from one to twelve to thirteen on
(06:35):
the roster, Like we are all saying the same thing.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
We're all saying the same thing. Like it's not just
two or three people.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Saying it here, and you know what, to be honest,
like I hate to compare it, but this is just facts.
I would love to know the criteria that NBA refs
have to meet compared to what WNBA ress have to be,
Like you know, like what is the comparison there? And
like I truly do think that Like there I said
(07:02):
this today in my exit interview that I think that
we have a lot of smart business like people in
the league, which wonderful, you're great at business, but they
don't know shit about.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Basketball and that is a huge, huge problem.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
And so I think they do as best as they can,
but I think it's on us players that when we retire,
or if it's people who aren't pros but still played
at the collegiate level or have some sense of playing
the game and having a brain, that they need to
start maybe investing into these possession positions to make you know,
(07:38):
the next generation even better than what it is for us.
And so I think it's just continuing to have those
conversations of how do we improve the officiating.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Again, their job is hard. Their job is very hard.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I would never want their job, but I do think
there needs to be some accountability, some open lines of
efficient communications because at the in the day they're part
of our game, Like we want them to feel good
and be proud that they're officiating in the w And
you know what, maybe if we gave them more money,
(08:10):
they would feel maybe more invested where they wouldn't have
to go because I know the the w refs they
also officiate college. You know, right, they're in the big
ten SEC. They're oh, well, then that's your first fucking problem. Yeah,
they're they're working. They shouldn't be double dipping in other leagues.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
That's like, I know, because aren't the rules like there's
different ways to call the game, like people are okay, Well,
problem number one also, I'm going to say it, they
have to wear those tight ASTs. I wouldn't want to
wear that tight ass fucking shirt if they have to
wear either like the child's medium.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Shit.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
You know, I'll work on the their actual calling. You
work on the fits. That's how we're gonna make this
league better.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
I'll design some w NBA ref shirts and then maybe
we'll then we'll get some more I don't know some
people out obviously uh Nofista Colliers was it in? It
was an exit interview I guess with with Minnesota media.
Basically just before a question is even asked, called out
(09:15):
your commissioner and said that, Like I mean, she said
a lot of things, but I would say the biggest
sentiment was one, officiating is a huge issue that's not
addressed or.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Taken seriously by the league. And then two that the
upper I don't want to call it.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
I don't want to just single out Kathy, but like
the important people in the w n B, A don't
give a shit about the players, And in no way,
shape or form has she's shown any empathy or ability
to recognize what this new generation of Hooper's are doing
(10:00):
for the WNBA, mostly CC but the Angel Page, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
So first off, I'm sure you watched.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
The speech because you've already talked shit on the internet,
But like, what did you think of that speech? Because
I found it that takes balls, that takes big fucking
balls to do what she did. And I think when
you have players willing to put their neck out on
the line like that to make a statement, clearly something's
(10:34):
something can be fixed and something can be better when
players are making that big of a risk. So I
guess just thoughts on our speech, and I'm going to
regret saying this, but feel free to talk about Kathy well.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
You know what, I'll actually I think I've kind of
said my thoughts.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
But I think at the end of the day, everyone's
fed up, fed up with how the league is treating us,
and if you hear how our CBA negotiations are going,
it shows you how disrespectful and like they should feel
ashamed of themselves for what they're giving back to us,
(11:17):
because it's nothing, it is nothing.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
They're not listening, and the thing is they're not.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Even engaging with us, not even engaging like it is.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
It is bad.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
And so when when we're talking about a lockout or
a strike, I think.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I was just gonna ask is a lot like is
that thing yes?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Because I mean I am because to the media and
I think to the world, it does take a lot
of balls for what Nefisa did.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
And you see that.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
All of us, all of us are backing her because
we've been feeling this way and it was just a
matter of time until someone said something and the fact
that it was her, one of the star players that
everyone knows in the WNBA, and like where she's at
on our players Association board, on the exec board is huge, huge,
(12:10):
and like everyone is backing her. But it's because we're
us as players. We are fed up with how the
league is treating us like it is awful, and like
I just can't. I'm not allowed to talk about details
about the CBA quite yet, but.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
When we do, you are going to be shook, shook
to the core.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Like am I am I allowed to ask you if
that's in compensation?
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Is that in? I think, I mean, I assume that's
the thing.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
But the biggest thing is revenue share.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
So like I'm I think all of us are agreement
that like, our salary should be tied to the business
that we bring in and it is not at all
right and like but it's.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Not even close.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
It is the most disrespectful percentage that you I I
think any league has ever seen.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Like it is just where do they want the money
to go?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
I just know that they well, I mean, well, if
it's not going like is it going back into literally
the league or is it like hiring it's.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
It's not hiring executives because we've had the same people
on board for fucking twenty seven years.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah, like what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Like, I just I just think there's so much room
for improvement.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
And my thing is, like I know nfisus said this,
and I think other players have since said this, but
we talk about it all the time.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
That like we we want to keep.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
The W in business, like we want the W to
thrive of course, Like this is the best momentum the
W has ever had, and it's time to capitalize on it.
Like why are we not working together to push this
league further than any league has ever seen for female sports?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Because we have that potential.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
I'm I'm just curious what her why she is so
afraid of Kaitlin or like, why would you not embrace
someone like that and just be so dismissive of she
said she's lucky. What was the quote she told And
if he says she said she's lucky, she wouldn't make
(14:20):
all this money without the platform to give her, which
is first off, just not fucking true. She signed a
didn't you sign a Nike deal before? And a TV
deal before she left Iowa? Dude, what are we doing?
The most successful leagues in the world we live in
are the fucking NBA, MLB, NFL. Like they embrace their
fucking stars. It's like it's like the kindergarten lesson for
(14:42):
owning a fucking league. It's like these are who people
buy jerseys of and what networks want to fucking play
your shit Like even to like, I mean, she probably
didn't know if he was gonna give that speech, but
like to be so dismissive of arguably your the best
player in the face of your league is like so bonkers.
(15:05):
I don't know where you even are coming from. And
I guess because I looked her up the other night
and I was wondering she's been the commissioner for ever
and I wonder if maybe in the beginning stages of
the WNBA, when I mean, you guys had stars, but
it wasn't on this level. Like it's it almost like
an ego thing where she thought that maybe she was
(15:28):
like on the mountain rushmore of current WNBA like important,
important faces, and now that there's so many of you guys,
she like doesn't like it's just just weird. And I
don't know what logic there is to behaving like that,
because there is none.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Great leaders want to see other people be more successful
than them. They want to make sure that they're cared for,
like there can be a very and.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
She's the business side of it, like I get it,
But you can be respectful and treat your product product
of why people are paying attention, why people are buying
certain jerseys, treat your product with respect, like be a
great leader.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
She's not.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
She's not in any sense, And it's just the disrespect
is just crazy to me. But honestly, I think this
is just such a pivotal point in the WNBA because
there's so many eyes on us, there's so many new fans,
there's millions of millions, I should say new fans and
at the end of the day, she's worried about her
(16:30):
and all of her statements. It's all like, well, I
got us here and I should Kathy. No one cares. Literally,
no one cares, Like how you're sitting right there. That's
how we feel every time she speaks, every time she
speaks us as players, That's how we feel.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Am I allowed to read your Instagram comment?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Or do you want that put behind us?
Speaker 5 (16:53):
No?
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Go read it, lead it? No? Hell no, Well I
don't know. You've been fined so much you'll for sure
you're find for that way.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Not. I mean, I'm out of season, so I don't think.
I don't think they can find me anymore.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I'm out of season. I'm not getting paid.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I've never said I'm gonna be banned from two leagues.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
I'm gonna be banned from two leagues after this podcast?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
You did?
Speaker 4 (17:19):
You on Instagram? You said people only know Kathy because
of c Kaylen Clark. She's the most delusional leader, balls, ballsy.
But obviously I think all of this dialogue coming from
NFI say is good. I just at this point in time,
I feel like the right thing to do would be
(17:42):
just put your ego down for one second, like like
anyone's gonna be offended when people talk shit on you, duh,
But like you are a leader amongst a bunch of
women and a bunch of women who are growing something
huge in our country.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I think it would be beneficial to like.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Take a second look the mirror and realize, like, could
I be doing things differently and better? But I feel
like she's so reactive and like defensive when people call
her out for shit that like, dude, like I find it.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I find it all baffling, and we don't stay on
this forever.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
But like I look at us now, like whatever Nefisa did,
there's a chance in two years we look back and
we're like, oh, was this the first domino in kind
of like maybe reshaping the administration in the WNBA.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I have no idea if.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
It, and I have every right to believe.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I don't think Nefisa would be saying that, but if
it's true of what she said, that Caitlin should be
thinking her go go ahead and just go back for Kablo,
because you should not be sitting in that seat like
that is insane. And what I know I said this earlier,
but like when when when I say that they're not
(18:55):
listening to us as players, they're not even engaging.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Well, that's a fucking perfect example.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Like I just it's really not that hard.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Like I know, I know that business can be tough,
but doing the right thing by people and treating people
with respect and giving people their flowers and working together,
it's really not that it's it's managing people.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
It's managing people. But like they're just so worried about.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Them, them, them, like the III that this is why
she should not be in the seat that she's sitting in.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
It almost feels like the w got like so like
popular that like the foundation of it almost like couldn't
keep up with its own product.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Like you almost like they weren't ready, I guess, but you.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Know what, that's okay, Like and that's okay weird, But
it's fine to admit when you need help, right, and
and it's okay to understand when you're not cut out
for something. Well, then bring people in who are like
my thing is, you got to keep growing. You always
need to keep growing. In with that, the league needs
(20:09):
to keep growing. That doesn't mean that we have the
same criteria and the same things we did from year
one of the.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
W like with this as a completely.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
No, and that requires admitting.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
That requires admitting that you aren't where you need to
be or you aren't capable of keeping up with something
and getting help. But it's again, it seems like everything
is so reactive and like I've built all of.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
This, like I don't need any fucking help.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
These players did none of this, and you'll like never
ever ever go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Fun right here with you.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
And I think it's funny too, because I think we
have a lot of we have the best athletes in
the entire world, and we know what we deserve and
we won't be playing or doing anything until we get
what we deserve.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
And I think a lot of people think we're just talking.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
We are.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Our union right now.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Is as strong as it's ever been and it's super exciting,
So I'm ready for it.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Also was going to ask Kelsey Mitchell's injury was so
bizarre looking because it wasn't common.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Can we talk about here real quick? Because she is
like the most amazing human.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Okay, I just that was crazy. I don't even say anything.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Because Kelsey is the most selfless, humble, human you will
ever ever meet. And I think if we would have
made it, if we would have if we would have won,
and she would have been healthy, she should have been MVP.
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Speaker 1 (23:16):
I'm not taking away from Asia, but nobody, nobody in
our entire league could stop Kelsey Mitchell this year. And
I want to be her biggest fan because she is just,
I'm not kidding, the best human that you could possibly
ever be around.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
So that's one.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yes, she too.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
How scary was that?
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Like she.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Did you see the statement she came out.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
With, she like stopped walking, No, but she like fully
like froze up. And then the ref where I'm gonna
get rid.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
An amazing mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
That ref was very nice. But and then she like,
then I think this treasure came out. It was just
it was it was a very weird secret.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
So what happened?
Speaker 1 (24:00):
She put out a statement and starts with an h
I forgot how what it's called.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
But first of all, I do want.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
To shout out Isaac because we give the rest a
lot of shit, but at the end of the day,
they're they're all good humans to the core, and like
that was super sweet of him to help her.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
But she just got a full body cramp.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
But it's like imagine having a Charlie horse but times
one hundred like it.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
It was. It was bad.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
It was she was a little sick, super dehydrated. But
really the doctor just said, you know, like she played
her wheels came off like her body was just too
a point of exhaustion where she couldn't go anymore, and
like I believe it, man, like she put the team
on her back all season long, and you know, it
just came down to that.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
But she is.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
She was in a full body cramp.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
They rushed her to the hospital, got some i VS
in her, did some blood work, and she's gonna be good.
But she's super sore. She's moving, she's walking slowly. But
it was It just sucked because I would have been
number eight. It was number eight of our true roster
to go out, and so it just it just sucks
(25:11):
that we just got hit with the injury bug that
bad and then at the end of the day that's
how she goes out. It's like, no one's surprised, but
it just sucks that Kels had to go through that.
But our team rallied and fought for you know, so
that was kind of cool. But I guess they're used
to doing that by now.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I googled what it's called rado. My lusses rab dough.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
But it could be like that condition could get really bad,
but like hers was bad, but it could be like
really really bad.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
So we're thankful, but it still sucks, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
I guess just a little look back. You guys are
succeed Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Succeed? Injury bug, crazy, big stars, hurt. What's like your
I don't know one word to describe the season for you, obviously, Yeah,
for sure.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
I think of it.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I'm just grateful, Like this season has been so fun
and so amazing in more ways than I can even.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Count.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
One our locker room, like number one is what I'm
getting at, is our locker room was so close knit
and so fun and just full of love that like
I've never been part of a locker room like that ever,
and it was awesome. But then it was also a
season from hell too because of the injury bug.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
But through it all, I'm grateful.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I think the relationships and the memories that this team
created is going to be one for a lifetime. Like
people don't even go through the amount of adversity and
everything that happened to us in a career, let alone
one season. So it just like this team will always
remember this for the good and the bad.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
And a locker room is never the same next year,
I mean, you want to keep and if we.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Can get this CBA worked out, like who knows, Like
no one's under contract, Like, who knows what's going to happen?
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Ye are scary though, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
This could be my last time in an Indiana bab Jersey.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Ah scary.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
I guess if you've had you've had what forty eight
hours to kind of let it sink in.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Do you have a little finals preview? Obviously, I know
you're rooting.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
For any of them.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Mercury.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Have you seen that song going around?
Speaker 1 (27:42):
You know?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
And I don't even know if I'm going to watch.
I'm over it.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
I need to.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I need a break from the toxicity of the w
n b A.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
It's been uh drama filled season for multiple reasons.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Dude, that might be some of the real issue.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
You ever said, I'm drake to get it, you're gonna
go I started to go from me for my fines,
I no, no, no, no, no, So I'm kidding.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I I put it out there because I was just
totally kidding. But then people actually started donating and I
was like, oh no, no, no, no, like I'm I'm kidding.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
But so I'm just gonna give it all away to charity,
even though I would love to buy a yacht, but
I guess I'll just have to get another endorsement for that.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
You're for sure going to get fined for this episode,
for sure. I can already feel it.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
But you know that's fun unless you truly can't get
fined in the off season. In that case, salute so
one time for the Indiana Fever twenty twenty five season.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
All right, I wanna enough about us, because jeez, I'm
fish strained, But tell us all about your celebrity basketball game.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
And like, who was there?
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Well, my point guard was eight Yeah, of Island. He's
probably five. Yeah, he's like probably a five to seven
or five eight.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Maybe those girls on there even more little because he
looks like a like he looked.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Yeah, there were some. There were some itty bitty girls,
uh that played.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
There are also some like hoopers do There's so many
like random people who are just like freak athletes that
you wouldn't just never know. But okay, yeah, so I
started the game. First bucket of the game is this
dude named Jay Sinco. He's like a rapper and a
model from La great guy. A little breakaway and they
(29:46):
had like two dudes kind of like hanging around the paine.
He just gave me a little dish and I came
up underneath. It looked like I was about to get
my shit fucking jammed against the backboard, and I just
snuck it right in and the shot a little hype,
probably because I was like one of the white out there.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Like the only guy, and I loved it.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
So yeah, they probably weren't ready for that. And then yeah,
I was like, no need to shoot the ball anywhere.
It's also a double fucking rim for a pick for a.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah, but all out you're normally double double ram because
they have to be strong enough for the weather.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
So that was I was like, I probably shouldn't take
any jumpers with this.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Now.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
The funniest thing I tried to go set a pick
for Ace and he called me off. He called out,
He called he said an iso. I was on my
way over and he was like he cleared me out.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Welto my world.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Okay, Sophie, stay your ass in the corner, get out
of everyone's way, all.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Right, get the fucking Yeah. But it was fun and
like it was kind of close. We made a we
made a three to like win the game, so it
was really fun. But I would have made you proud, though.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
I think, dude, next time, you do something like that.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yeah, first bucket thing just kept it.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I want to come in like low key commentate it,
like into a little v log.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
That would be you have so much fun and something
like that. I wore, I wore KDS.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
I did get I got drove on once like kind
of like the top, like the corner of the key,
and I just didn't. I was low enough, didn't shuffle.
I was tired. I've read how tired?
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Did anyone? Did anyone forces left?
Speaker 4 (31:40):
No? I nedn'ver wrot the ball up because I'm down.
I'm getting bored. I'm mister remember.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Wait, wait did you have what days it? Did you
already do kickball?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Sister?
Speaker 4 (31:54):
I'm headed there tonight, which I should say though last week?
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Wait is cleared? You gotta tell me?
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Yeah, oh I texted you? Okay.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
So one, we play games on Thursday nights. Okay, So
like there are people who come to the games from
like a work happy hour. They've had a few beverages.
Same with other teams.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Whatever.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
If we were playing a team that like, I do
not want to be this guy, but I'm gonna you know,
like you're it's a team that like doesn't look athletic,
but like you can tell, it's like they're like nights
season together, and like they got like.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
They have the chemistry in the rhythm.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
They've got chemistry and they just like ice feel like
they're gonna be good even though they all look like
like yeah, just like kind of like oompa loompas, you know.
And they were good, and we the score was like
three to one.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
The whole game. Here's the biggest problem.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
So, so you have to have girls kick every so often,
you have to have so many girls in the field whatever.
My team is full of a lot of like girls
who want the T shirt and to like hang out.
It's not every girl is like like in the dug
out like ready to kick. And so I'm always like,
we need girls, but it would take us fucking forever
(33:22):
if like we went through our order of girls like
every so often. So I'm kind of just like, yeah,
like let's just keep it rolling, you know. But this team,
like we get to like the fourth fifth inning and
they're like this girl's and kick, this girl's and kick.
They're kicking it get like ye fuck out, which is true. Yes,
And like we were technically technically speaking, not following anymore.
(33:44):
But I was like like, yeah, like let's go.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
I'm like a fucking cheater. I just like want to
ship the way.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
You're there for a good time, for a good time.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Yeah, and I want everyone to like be able to
play and like get through the inning like whatever. So
they're like losing it and then starts kind of chirping.
Other teams starts chirping, and then every time, like between innings,
everyone's kind of like talking shit. When we're like crossing
to go to the duguts. I never talked shit because
I'm like co ed and I'm not gonna like like
talk shit with girls and like fat guy, Like it's
(34:18):
just just like not what I'm here to do. But
so then they're like yelling at the ump, the poor
ump by himself just going co ed kickball is like
a side job, and they are like motherfucking this guy,
like you don't paying a fuck attention, Like what the fuck?
Like then he like then there was a question on
(34:39):
the score we.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Ended up time, were you down time? Right?
Speaker 4 (34:43):
I kind of felt yeah, we came back and like
I felt kind of weird about it because they were.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Like calling us out for something that we like were
doing but.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Yeah, but then I'm like, guys, I talked to everyone
after the game, like, we can't fight and argue and
shit talk and be annoying if we aren't gonna like
all kick you know.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
I literally felt like it was the first time in
my life. I felt like I was a coach, and
I had like a speech naturally like I don't know,
we did it, we fully did it, and I go, guys,
we like, can't we can't act like that if we're
gonna like do the whole thing where like we're like, yeah,
letting girls not kick. So then we break it down
(35:24):
and I look in the corner. They're still yelling at
this ref and the ref is is yelling back at them,
like screaming, like like it was like other teams were
like filming the game full and I was like, game's
fully over, and he's like he's like, you're getting like
this upset about a fucking kickbook and they're yelling at him,
and I was like, dude, not good, not great, because
(35:47):
then you have to go play them and.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Flip cup at the bar like that would have happened.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I feel like like, y'all just go like that's weird.
That's just weird, like give them the Flip Cup game,
go to your own bar and half phone with your team,
Like that's weird to me, Like it's not that serious.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
No, I agree, But so then we go to the
bar and it was like everyone's kind of like walk
on eggshells. And then they were actually like very cool.
When we got to the bar. It's best of seven.
They went up three to zero, and then we rattled
off four and a round and beat them again. So
it ended up yeah, yeah, bury them. We basically stole
like three points the whole night, but kind of crazy.
(36:23):
And then they the league, Folo called me in the morning.
You're like, what what the fuck happened? So I'd like
tell my team was like, dude, the league called me
because you're fucking can.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
You tell me? Don't like Kathy, who's your guys's league commissioner?
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Oh great question.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
I don't know if I'll ever meet like the super
higher up because the league has like there's leagues all
over the East Coast. There's like Miami, Volo, Boston, Vollo, Baltimore.
Like you can play team sports in all these cities
like throughout your mates. It's great, But I did yeah, forties,
(37:02):
but basically had to like take a call and they
were like, dude, we heard about the incident, like we
heard binges cleared like run us through it. And I
was like, I was honest told him. I was like, yeah,
sometimes our girls skip their turn kicking, but I'm trying
to I'm trying to keep an efficient plant.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Ye, your fans to come back?
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Yeah? Do you want the bleachers?
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Bring the girls, give him over there, give them people drinks,
and let me kick the fucking out of the ball.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yes, I get it.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Literally.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
I was like, I was like, these girls are hot
and want a T shirt and I cannot force them
every time to.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Get next next year, can we have a white T shirt?
And can you make sure it rains every Thursday? Do
you really want fans?
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (37:44):
I actually don't think there. I don't think there is
a white T shirt team because they probably know well. No,
I was wondering, you know, is it is there a
team out there?
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Dude?
Speaker 2 (37:56):
That's actually insane though, and the fact that people take
it that serious.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Yeah, I mean I do, like I want to win
and I'm upset when we lose, but I'm not going
to like fight like you know, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Think I said that comment to probably the most serious
player on the on the roster.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Of any league.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
No, I think if you're fighting at kickball, to me,
it's very much like I can tell who like didn't
play sports, you know, because you're like, you're.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Like, you know, that reminds me of It reminds me
of like the average Joe's versus Global Gym, and like
they were the No, you guys are the average Joe's,
like just trying to have a good time, and the
other ones were just taking it so serious, even though
that team maybe win Joe's because you said that, they
were kind of but it's.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
You know, it's kickball. Can't judge book by its cover.
All the things I wish I didn't.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Go for the for the knees, go for the knees.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
I tried, dude, I try my hardest. Also real quick
called big at thirty seconds. Did you watch the Chiefs
games Sunday or did you play Someday?
Speaker 2 (39:03):
I think we played Sunday. We played Sunday.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
They fucking they beat them. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah. The quarterback, Yeah, didn't he like terror the amstring?
Speaker 3 (39:20):
No, It's like it's like three weeks but he came
out after.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
We were after we were already up, like it's like,
can we talk about it?
Speaker 1 (39:29):
So back on travel that happened like two weekends ago
when Travis and our best guy was getting into it
on the on the sideline, Andy Reid.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
They've done that a few times and like if you
watch interviews with him, I feel like they're like father son,
uh and they like I At this point, it doesn't
really freak me out, but that one. There was a
time the Super Bowl go when when Travis like really
gave him a bump and Andy joked after and he's
like yeah, like kind of caught me off balance.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
Ah.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
That one, like I was like, whoa try this bad luck?
This one really was like I ran up on trying.
Was like motherfucking him. But I like to see that means.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Well, they're like yeah you do.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
They do care and they have that relationship and that
respect that they're able to do that.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
But like nowadays, coaches I feel like aren't allowed.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
To do that on any level because people are just
fucking weak.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
They're not mentally tough.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Yeah, the art of hard coaching is like a little
more taboo. Uh, well it has than it used to be.
Are we doing are we doing it? Tell me something
for this EP.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Let's do it. Let's do it all right, guys, let's
start this up here.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
Hey Tozy, Hey Wes, he can direct the podcast. I
absolutely love y'all. I think you play all each other
really well. You're both hilarious. A quick question for you.
So you both travel a lot, you live in different
places in your experience, where do you think has had
the worst dating pool? I'm in San Diego and it's
(41:02):
a it's a dog eat dog world out here. It's rough,
So I'm curious where you think you've had the craziest
experience the dating pool and why? Side note this is
also both of your formal invitations and my best friend's
wedding in Texas November twenty second. Come on out, don't worry.
(41:23):
It's been approved by her, so she's allowed this invitation. Well,
if open bar, dance floor will be chickens for Sylvie
to chase here in the back the day before the
wedding wedding rehearsal well, I think that's what it's called.
But it'll be a mets and restaurant with karaokee so too.
That for what it's worth. I mean a lot of fun,
(41:45):
lots of booze. You're both invited, so bring your boots,
come on.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Out, Damni. On the dating pool, I had a little
hot take. If you were in a city and you
think the dating pool's bad, it might be time to
look in the mirror, perhaps.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Because if you're like what the pool is gonna be?
Speaker 4 (42:09):
This is not about Caitlin, by the way, this is
just like people always want to be like, oh, like
New York sucks to date, or like La sucks. I'm
moving out of Kansas City because it it's hard to day.
It's about like it's just about trial and air. Like
if you're in a smaller place, there are less options,
so it's gonna be tougher. But like, I don't think
(42:29):
geographic uh, like locations change how you date people. Like
the point of being a good dater is that you
can kind of ebb and flow and chameleon where you are.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
You know. That's kind of my take.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
I think that if you're moving somewhere, it's it's kind
of on you find who matches your swag.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yes, I agree, Are you going to the wedding West.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
And then yeah, we'll both go, said.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Chicken singing karaoke at a Mexican bar and drinking beer.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
That does actually come of sound nice.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
I think I am honestly like not a big dater,
like I'm not, I'm not one just like go on
dates with random people.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
But it doesn't have to be like first dates.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
It could be like dudes that you've like been dating
or seen and how do they turn out?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
I think dating is like your exclusive.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
Do doing. I think now dating means like just like
being a talking chat do SCX explode, like going on
dates because some people can go on dates, thing can
be inside see.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
I feel like dating is when your I feel.
Speaker 6 (44:04):
Like like my experience with dating is like I'm talking
to you and we're hanging out, and it's like like
I'm not I have I'm not good at doing that
with multiple people, Like I just can't do.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
I'm just not good at that. I've never been good
at that. What Oh yeah, this is this is what
makes us so good because I feel like we're too.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Different, like two different people when it comes to that,
because I just can't.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
It doesn't mean that I haven't like had like my
butt and like flirted and whatever, but like I'm just
when it comes to when I hear dating that means
like I'm like exclusive with someone.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
M M. I'm starting to think if I've ever met
like to me, the question makes me think, like, have
you ever been in a location and just like hated
everyone of the opposite sex?
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Well, I'm never saying know, like I think being out
in Scottsdale, if I wasn't like around yeah, like if
I wasn't around like the like the NBA guys or
other athletes out there, Like there's no way I would
ever date anyone from out there because I'm more masculine
(45:20):
than them, like they have more botox and fillers and
like looks so pretty dude, Like just Scottsdale people, like
Arizona people, they're not.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Like, yes, I need like a I need like a man,
like I need a man.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
So I think I think, I think say what oh,
I said, I got it.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
I think geographically that makes sense though, like there's just
some states or like some areas that the men are
going to be a little more of feminine and.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
Like I can tell you where it's good Kaylin, New York.
A lot of options, a lot of everything. It's like
literally a jungle like I go out on my blog
right now and there's gonna be ninety hot chicks at
like eating dinner outside, and they all have different types
(46:26):
of jobs, and they're all from different states.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
Or countries and it's just beautiful.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
And then you say what do you what are you
doing later and they're like, I'm not driving home.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
Boom. Next thing you knows four am Kaylin. We'll see that.
We'll see the wedding good
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Way to in the podcast
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