In today’s episode, Sixteen-year NBA veteran and two-time champion Rajon Rondo joins the Draymond Green Show with Baron Davis to discuss the current Boston Celtics squad (6:45), how he developed his basketball IQ, and his experiences playing with Kevin Garnett & LeBron James (14:00).
Rondo also expresses his ambition to become a head coach in the NBA one day (33:00). He reflects on playing alongside a young Anthony Davis, DeMarcus Cousins, and Jrue Holiday on the New Orleans Pelicans (42:00).
Additionally, he shares his thoughts on why the NBA seems to be moving away from having veteran players on teams and his time with Doc Rivers and the Milwaukee Bucks (01:05:00).
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Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show with My Dog BD.
We got a special We got a special episode for
y'all today.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
And even before BD.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Came and made this show special, I would always talk
about this guy as someone who considered themselves and think
of themselves as a good basketball man, someone who I
like consider like that. I look to as like one
of the most brilliant basketball monds that the game has
ever seen, and I spoke about one to have him
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on the podcast. He's a two time champion, sixteen year
NBA VET, four time NBA All Star, two time NBA
All Defense First Team, two time NBA All Defense Second Team,
led the league in assists for three seasons, was the
Steels leader, once one of the best point guards to
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play the game, and when you when you keep it
too real. They try to say that you not what
you really are. One of the best point guards we've
ever seen, graced this game, no nother Dan, the one
and only Rayjon Rondoe, Welcome.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
To the show.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Appreciate that, man, Appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Love absolutely absolutely, man, abd, I gotta, I gotta, I
gotta piggyback off that intro.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Man, I gotta ask some sauce.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
You know, he is the Maestro, the mass scientist, the Einstein,
the uh basically the Boskyacht of dictator ship.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
You feel what I'm saying, Like, appreciate that.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Like the way you orchestrate you know, uh, just your style, bro,
your style, you a one on one you original, you
know what I mean. I've been a fan of you
since Kentucky, you know, when you got in the league.
You know it was one of the dudes. I hate
it the most because with hate comes admiration. You feel
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what I'm saying, And I just like, I just always
watch you play, you know what I mean, because like,
like the way the way you orchestrated the game, the
way you paint it was just like I love the
way you paint it. As an artist, it was just
it was just a joy to watch. So, Hall of Famer,
I appreciate you being on the show as well, my dad.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
I appreciate y'all man like that. Uh, that type of
love gives me chills. Man to hear from the periods
and especially guys, I respect you know that most so
I appreciate that. I appreciate the love, appreciate the honesty,
and let's get it.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Sha't you coming up? Hey? But let's.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
We are just in our own separate places, just finished
washing watching this Bosston Celtics Cleveland Cavaliers game.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
No, what's your what's your thoughts on these two teams
that you.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Know, you had the street going with Cleveland fifteen and
oh they going into the defendant champs house. You who's
a champion yourself? You know how it is coming off
a championship season. Maybe you drop a couple of games
here and they're just not locked in right, and you know,
so then everybody moves on to the next hot thing
that is the Cleveland Cavaliers, and then you know, you
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see what happened today?
Speaker 4 (04:36):
What do you make of what just happened in these
two teams? As this season player?
Speaker 1 (04:41):
There's levels to it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (04:42):
The champion of what time it was at the crib
that wasn't allowed body to come in their crib and
you know, make.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
It hard for him.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
Kudos to the Celtics, like they're being prepared, the only
team has figured it out so far. So other than that,
I'm not surprised, you know that the team that knock.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Them off bed. What's your thoughts on that game.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
The more I watched Cleveland, the more I like them.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
I just think that they got to just figure out
how to make Boston play to their game and their pace,
and it's gonna be really predicated on I think Darius
Garland in the way Allen played Jared Allen. You know,
like they're gonna beat the cornerstones of that team and
they're gonna be the ones that's gonna really take a
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lot of pressure off of Donovan Mitchell and Evan Mobley.
But I mean, great matchup when you look at versatility,
like intensity, but you know Boston is a bus saw.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
They hard to guard bro.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Now for sure, and tonight they what they did show
you was like at no point in the game where
they ever faced and that's that's that's having that chip.
It's like, oh they come to here and they think
they gonna come here and do this, like these are
the games that you get serious for right when you're
defending the title, you know what I'm saying, And that
that's the game that they got serious for.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Now.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
If you're the Cavs, I think one thing that like
you look at how the cast finished the game. They
finished the game with one big. Their best lineups have
two bigs. You know, Todd Jeron finished the game because
of what he brings offensively. They don't necessarily trust the
Okoros and the Dean Ways offensively against a team like Boston,
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you know. So when you look at those couple of things,
I think you have to take a step back and
you quickly realize and not to overreact, but that Cavaliers
team is going to quickly realize like, oh okay, we
just saw that.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Now that was something different.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
How we take the next step is how can we
how we react to playing a team like that? And
so I think overall it's a great matchup though that
NBA Cup.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Series, that environment, that atmosphere. Look at Test one.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Don't obviously being great that you were there.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I feel like at one point while you were there
and KG and all those guys that left. You were
for sure the best play guard in the league and
top two or three best players in the league while
you're there, and then then you left and it wasn't
all love. Do you still feel get to fill in
there and get the love there of like that's home
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for you or do they not necessarily give you that?
Speaker 6 (07:21):
No, They've always given me that, even even after winning
chip with the Lakers. You know, they still welcome you home.
A lot of workers that were there when I was,
you know, back in the day, that's still there. So
it's all love, family, a lot of great people that
work in the organization.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
For sure.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Man, you are one of the few players to win
a championship for the Boston Celtics and the Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Lakers. The guy who won Minneapolis Lakers in Boston.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Was the only one, you know, So you're the only one.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
You know the Lakers. Yeah, I got it two of us.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
So los Angeles Boston championship versus a Los Angeles championship.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Here you compare it to you can't compare it.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
You know, you can't compare it honestly, because the twenty
twenty we were in the bubble, so we didn't get
and get a parade, So I only had one parade
and that was the most amazing thing that's happened to
me in basketball. You know, just that type of love
and reaction. How to you know, to see a fan
you've seen this year, but to be a part of it,
to get on a duckboat go on to.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Tour, it was amazing. So that's the only opportunity I
got to have a parade.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
But that particular time when I won in twenty twenty,
you know, my son was in the bubble with me,
so that made that moment, you know, that was more
special than you win it at.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Twenty Oh that's the picture behind you.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yep, that's that picture was far
bro That's one of the most iconic championship pictures in
the history the lea.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I had no idea he must have been watching.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
So speaking of the bubble, when people try to say
it's a bubble championship, is this as someone who's won
a championship in the bubble someone who's won a championship
out in the bubble?
Speaker 4 (09:14):
How do you compare the two from.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
That aspect of not traveling or being in the bubble,
the different challenges or lack there are or you know.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
To me, I enjoyed the bubble because you get to
see the guy every day that you walking past. You know,
you get to see the enemy. And there's no distractions,
you know what I mean. There's no outside you know,
there's no hotel flights, and everybody is in one room.
There's no excuses. It's check ball, you know, fan, No,
there's no advantages. Yeah, it's my best, my five against
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your best. Vive and figure it out. And you got
to obviously the seven games to figure it out. But
I love that that mind, that concept. But we go
right to the room, then we go to film. We
were we was able to learn a lot more during
that time than I would say if we were able to, like,
you know, go home, practice and get hel distractions, don't
think about the game. But in the bubble, that's all
you're thinking about obviously. You know, it's like in real
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life and playoffs and you're on the road. You know,
you go home, you think.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
About the game.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
But like when you're in the bubble with everything and
every you can go to your boys room, you can
talk about it, like and you've got to figure it
out on the fly and you.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
See an enemy's every.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Time, ok, right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
We had that's crazy.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
In the same place, you know what I mean, We
had a couple of meetings to where, you know, things
that we're gonna play, so we all we saw each
other all the time.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
And I love you. I love that that feeling.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
That's crazy too, because when you play someone that meaningful
playoff seats, there's naturally a beef created.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Like like, it's naturally bro, I don't really like you like.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
You third game for sure, you like man.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Like you. It's naturally created, and y'all may see each
other somewhere years down the road to be like.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Man, Bro, that was fun and that was crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
But right after, like during that, it's a beef creator
in the year, it's like it's a beef like Ronald
like you man like because y'all are going after the
safe d.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
And it's a tense.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I loved it, you know, I mean, it was it
was fun to be a part of.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
That's a whole different mind dude.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
That's why I love you and respect you, bro, because
people don't even understand that mind game, bro, Like that's
it's guys, and you notice that game in that movement
that didn't understand you were playing that mind game like yeah, bro.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Like come on, man, what were doing.
Speaker 6 (11:38):
I was talking about how me and Brown was looking
at the game like it was Boston Miami, and I
was like, I got who was at the sound of
Stephen brad Steven, he was like he got spoken. So
I was like, we were, like I said, we mentally
we were preparing, like to go to the war and
figure out, Okay, I got to beat this coach and
he saying I gotta beat this coach.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
And we knew each other's bag whichever way, whichever rout
we took, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
So that's why company we was gonna win that bad boy,
even before the ball we felt like we were the ones,
you know, I mean, we had a hell of a season.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Man.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
To talk about your mentality just like the brand you wanted,
Like how did you.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Cook that up? You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Like did you like growing up? And like you know,
who didn't you want to be like?
Speaker 3 (12:18):
And who.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Crediting bed? I didn't watch basketball growing up.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I didn't watch basketball growing up. I thought I was
an NFL player. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I was.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I was playing football.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
I was always outside, I was active. I didn't do
no no TV watching. I didn't watch no local team,
you know what I mean. I didn't watch a little card.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
No.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
That's why it wasn't a big differ because I didn't
grow up a fan anything. So when I picked up
the game and I felt like, Okay, I was good
enough to do it. I can do it as a goal,
you know what I mean. Like, I didn't grow up
in anything like I want to be in. They play
grow up No, not like my son's names are. To me,
I was just a kid on the street, just having
fun and joint sports, being active. When it came that decision,
I said, I was exposed to a different lifestyle. Introduced
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Derek Anderson. He kind of took me on his wing
as a mentor.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
So I'm like, that's how you're living, or this is
what you're doing every day waking up, Okay, cool and me,
we're going to be hard. And Introduced to Mike Bibbie.
When I went out to Sacramento for a couple of
days worked out and I'm like, damn, this is the life. Okay, cool,
let me get to it.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
And after that I kind of put my my hard
head on, my heart head on and just worked. I
was like, I gotta figure out how to get this.
I mean this type of the vacations. I mean, this
is all the means to come with it. So that
was the goal of mine. That's how I did it.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
How did you know what was right? Though?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Though?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
To not watch the game at all, end all the
past and said to see the floor the way you
see the floor, which is different than just about anybody,
and see the floor, how did you figure it out out?
Speaker 6 (13:43):
It sounds crazy. I love the game. I played the
game like so, I always play with older kids, you.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
I was the youngest on the court and older brother play,
you know, not getting picked up from whatever it's hooping.
And then we played growing up, my boys talk about
all the time. We walked differ neighborhoods, we played any
anywhere everywhere around the city and we just hoo. But
as far I was knowledge of the game, my high
school coach shout out of Doug baby. He brought me
start bringing it down to game down to me as
a freshman, and I was like, okay, I was I
was frustrated. I hate seeing myself on tape, and I
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was like, but the tapes was telling the truth. I
mean it was it was giving me the answer to
the test. So I locked into that, and I was like, Okay,
what can I be great?
Speaker 2 (14:16):
You know?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I mean I always wanted to have the answer to
the test.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
Like my older brother taught me everything you do mathematically,
so I wanted to be the first to go to
the board the answers. That's how it was in basketball. Okay,
the coach is telling me his film is answers. So
now I go on the court. I know what you're
doing before you know what you're doing in a sense
because of your habits. So I just studied and learned
and locked that locked in that way and just kept
it going ship and just learned the game. And I
loved the like the line of Sponge, give me everything
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you got from all the grades I played with.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I'm taking a little bit of this, little bit of
that and then implementing the guys I played with.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
That's how I love to play with the Cousins in
the eighties because I was getting them what I got
from Derk Kevin.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
You know, I mean, Shack you know jamane O one.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
I was able to get a lot of great information,
and like I said, I always just wanted to sow
as much as I could from all all of them.
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Speaker 5 (16:37):
Like when you came intead of league, it's almost like
your gay went to a whole like you was called
in college?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (16:50):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (16:52):
List Let me bro ya.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Listen. We had like Paul McDonald No. Three McDonald's Americans,
and we bringing about on the court.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
And we can get up the court and go I mean,
we had we had some players, but like I said,
I didn't you know, he didn't need the hit her.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
There I'm where I am today. I'm thanking for it.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
But like, yeah, we was ready to go and I
needed this space and let me go, you know what
I mean. But didn't let me do that at first though.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
That's what I was saying. Yeah, that's what I was saying.
You came in with with with a chip on your shoulder.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I was disrespected.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
And on top of that, you have vts, you know
what I mean, you had like superstar vets that like
you gotta have that, you know what I'm saying, to
get they respect, Like talk about that, man, But.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
The crazy thing people ask me that, But I didn't. Man,
I didn't grow up a fan of none of them,
respect all of the I didn't grow up a fan of.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Nobody, like you know, the big ticket. I know who
the big ticket was, you know, I mean he played Minnesota.
I didn't have cable. We don't watch TV. You know,
they never I didn't watch see he got games. I
didn't really watch brand in Seattle, so I don't. I
didn't so I wasn't. I was never in awe of anybody.
It was just like, shit, okay, cool, this is what
they do well. This is what I do well.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
So and knowing that KG was like he wanted me
to stay, I was like, sure, let's get it, you
know what I mean, Like I said, I'm gonna earn
their respect, but much more portly. I just knew what
I wanted to be, you know what I mean, Like,
I want to be the great they know you hear
this shit about they can't win with a young point guard.
Me and Perk got all the disrespect that. So I
was like, okay, cool, it's a motivation. I was supposed
to be a bus twenty first pick, you know what
I mean. So they I got traded to the Boston Think.
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You know, Thank goodness. That's you know, the way the
world works.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
I like work.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
So other than that, I was always motivated, and I
always wanted to prove people wrong.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
And I love to shut the motherfucker up, you know
what I mean. That's why I love going the road
and playing. That's that's the best thing. That one of
the best feelings.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
That's the fact shutting that crowd up. Yeah, man, I
heard this story before.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Where your rookie year you got obviously ray KG.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
No, no, no, not my rookie year, second year, second year.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Second year, you got ray KG. Truth. Yeah, at that point,
you still the young fella. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
They stars, you still the young fella. And I heard
there was a point very early in that season where
you had to stop and like all three at one time,
check them and try to fight them.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Hell no, I ain't trying to fight.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Like like just more so like letting them know, like
I understand who y'all are, Like not necessarily like yo,
I'm trying to fight y'all out at once, but I
understand who y'all are. But there's a level of respect
to be high here too.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
No, it was it was no, it was never no
scenes like that between us really, you know the stuff
here about maybe you know me and Ray or whatever
the other that, But like, nah, Casey was from the
first time we played. You know, we came in early,
were spoken on in the championship. We came in like
maybe three weeks before training camp started. First pick up,
He's yelling screen screen screen, I'm.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Like, damn, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
It's a night and day difference. He in the paint
so now I feel more cumforable, being able to getting
to the ball. I ain't got to do this, but
I got a nigga behind me talking. I mean, what's
going on communication wise. So we've always had a great rapport.
I mean, you know we but his just like with
all my teammate at the same time, that's all love
and for him, he was the one that helped me
accountable when I fucked up.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
He was like, hey, I felt like that, ain't it.
Or he'd be like, you know what, you got.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
A point stand on that, you know, I mean, so
it was kind of like he would still teach me
to rose, but also hold me accountable and not let
me get away with the bullshit. Other times I may
have gotten away with certain things.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
So so KG, you said, KG is your bet.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
No.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
I got went to all universities, Paul Price, University, Royality, University, and.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
To University show Yeah, I got traveling in all of them.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
It was Funsity Man.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
You see the show Boy, but see the first coulf
years dealing with Paul Man. He was tough. Like that
first year Paul.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Left, he got hurt and he was like he got
out of us and he took all back to La
So it was it was a brief interaction him my
first year. But then, like I said, you got around Kevin,
but I feel like they all messed well.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
And when the one thing they did great was they
was all sacrifice, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
That was like egos were a side or what about
who got the biggest contract?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
And to me, KG sacrificed the most. I think he
had made.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
The most at the time, you know, So he was
always took the backseat, let them get the sh off.
Then he'd be like, hey, bring that bitch down here,
you know what I mean. So that's when he really
was chopping to me. But other than that, he was
with the sacrifice that screens no matter what, you know,
I mean, standing to pick a roll longer. That was
the type of one of my greatest the best team
I probably played with for sure.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Wow, that's crazy. So just just as a leader, KG
a different traps.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Different I mean, his mindset, the way he approaches the game,
his focus, like his discipline, his day to day routine,
Like it's like him and I would say bron Or
like the most strict on teammates I've ever played with.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
That dude.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Everything always the same, like as the hell of experience,
like to see that and be a teammate of that.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Man dooe. We got on and you mentioned you had
an exam today.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Like exam you say you going back to school, talk
like talk to us about that.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
What inspires you to go back?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
At this point, You've had a successful career, you've made money.
Your focus is your son and helping him reach his dreams.
But yeah, you back in school taking classes to get
your degree.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
What drove you to do that? And how is it going?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I was wrong, Well I'm backing usually Kentucky get my
degree in Human communication communications.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
I would say, I try to make a lot of
checklists and certain goals of mine always want to check
them out, and right now I'm been fortunate to stay.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
My life is kind of a completed checklist.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
So I had to add more goals and that was
one that, like I said, I left school sophomore year
in Kentucky. I decided to go pro obviously, and then
my get niggadviser shout out to Mike Mike Stone. He's
been telling me to come back years after years, and
I'm like, I'll get there when I get a chance.
So me retired, I had a lot of downtime and
I can't sit around and be the uber dad all
day long because the kids got to go to school.
So I'm like, shit, while they going to school, I
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could be learning and growing too. And I was like,
you know, I want to graduate before my daughter graduates college.
So we'll probably graduate actually this same time next year,
next spring.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
So I'm looking forward to doing that. I don't learn learn,
I want to grow.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
You know, dude, you got a daughter about to graduate college.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
No, No, she's graduate in high school.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
I'm like, man, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
She's seventeen a senior year going to Bama volleyball.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
So yeah, man, congratulation. So with school, you know, and
now gave me a degree. Like, what's life like after basketball?
With some of the things you went to?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
You know, now that you retired, it's been peaceful. Man.
You know, I'm newly wed. I got married by five
months ago, so you.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
Know, I'm just enjoying life. Appreciate it, you know what
I'm saying. Only built that moving to the crib. Like
I said, educate myself. H I spent a lot of
time with the families being like I said, he you
coach just living like man, like I said, learn it
actually been messing with with your boy dot out there.
I min walking a little bit, just kind of learned
from them internship.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
He Hey, who hit the button?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Doc?
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Bring Ron shoot Rondo right to the top. Man, would
you go please save your coach? Man, I thought she
was over there full time. You need to you need
to go, say I got the kiddos.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Man.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Nah, Man, they you know, a couple of these colleges here, Man,
they ain't help them.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
They have been a big.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Even Rondo won't go. I Rondo won't go even round
don't go, won't go. You come on, man, you can't
have a coach all all in the videos the commercials hey, man, hey,
that's my first win.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
That boy got my first chip man.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Michelle, y'all did that though, you did that?
Speaker 6 (25:22):
But listen, it's my philosophy. B I'll get that a lot, though.
But my thing is, if you got the talent, why
don't you do that? He can't place for you. I
a'man ex huge for him, but I'm like there were
times in the huddle where he'd be like, look, if
y'all on the same page, I'll do all things.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
So it wasn't like totally maybe he's used to, you know, people.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Being able to manipulate and do their own thing, but
he said some some great teams, name characters you know,
came short obviously, But I feel like it was always
on us regards us a talent, and then for me
personally with you know, with the guy on some marribady
around me.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I was like, we can figure this out full times
before you beat us whole times.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, I mean, you're you're a genius, you know what.
You know what I mean. Not everybody is DNA to learn.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Some people have like incredible star power and incredible basketball
playing capabilities, but there's like two levels of learning then
trying to learn the entire DNA, you know what I mean,
And think like a coach be more than a coach,
and I think like you need that coach to be
able to like at least push you in that direction.
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You got that gift, bro, you got you got a
wizard bag, you know what I mean, Like you was
a baby wizard already.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
You already had that, you know what I mean, KG
had that.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
But a lot of times the coach got to be able,
you know, to set that buffet and say, look, these
are these are all the other.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Things that you can be capable of.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
No, you mentioned you said, I got to kiddos, So
does that mean you would never full time coach until
like your kids graduate.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Know what I want to do.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
For my daughter senior year, so that was big is
like me and my son. He just turned thirteen a
couple of day. So uh, I'm okay with him, you
know what I mean, I have it enough. But like
I just want to be there for my daughter senior year,
all the prom, you know, the homecoming.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
She loves the party, so I gotta I gotta be here.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
You got that, you got that prom party. That's gonna
be who that's going.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
That's going to trap me enough for us, you know boys.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
So coaching is ultimately what you want to do.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
Though one, and I want to I want to mess
with the front office too, you know what I mean,
Like I want to do some internship. I'm gonna call
Danny eventually get one of my guys that bleed in
from day one. So just like I said, a guy
that's in the front office want to get around and
pick their brain. Stee from that side. But I definitely
love teaching the game. And I would love to win it,
you know, from both GM and a coach you.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Know, moving to another frenchise that you want a championship with.
You got a young coach, got who you played many
of your years in the NBA with, possibly college y'all,
y'all probably playing against the other in college. Uh you
guys young JJ, REDDITCK y'all getting the coaching world taking
over the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
What do you make of the.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Job he's done and what do you untimately think he
becomes as a head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
I think he's in the hell of a job. You know,
obviously get eighty back to what we know he's table
playing on. You know, first and foremost, you know, you
want your best player to be at all time, believe
it in you very confident. And then you hear the
comments in the media. You know, obviously everything is gonna
translate to the wins. But at the same time, he's
got the captains there, you know, Bron Obviously they have
a great rapport already. So just having that grace and understanding,
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you know what I mean, he's able to coach him as well.
I think you know, you've seen a couple of times
with this, so JJ you might getting on Bron which
you know he's not combative in that matter, but he's
able to be coachable and he maybe doing that standards
ground the player see that, and I think that's allowing
him to be like, Okay, we believe in this guy.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, I look forward to the day you're ready to
make that jump, because don't give me the assistant coach stuff.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Don't don't give me the all.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
You need it, but you need to go do this, You.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Need to go do that, and you don't have the experience.
Don't give me that.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
No, I don't want to hear that, because what they
do know is Ron do is one of the greatest
basketball buyers, the grace the NBA. Ronjo is an NBA
champion already, right, Rondo is an All Star. Rondo is
all defense, and you know he got the mind.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
He watched more film.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
And if you know anything about the NBA and the
and the workers, you know Ron don't watch more film
than the coaches watched already as a player. So I
just don't want to hear when when Doe is ready
to take that leap and he looking for a job,
he's not looking for an assistant coach job. He's looking
for a hand job because JJ's doing it. He's showing
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you that it's possible. And we know how smart Rondo is,
so I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Give me, give me some paces. We're gonna we're gonna craft.
You know, I got a blue brain, and give me
the pieces.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
And also standing on topic and speaking of the Lakers,
obviously you play with a D again who you have
balling in New Orleans and when you're with the Lakers,
a D has his best time with the Lakers, no
surprise there. But also playing with Brin You spoke a
little bit about it earlier, but just talk to me
about like going through the season as a two alphas
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b two guys. Who I mean, who knows which one
of y'all smarter? It's not even a who's smarter, it's
number one, Like the level of y'all brain. Like from
a basketball standpoint, there is no one, a one that's
just here. How was that experience with your resume and
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the respect that you have because bron know you got
a basketball ye and you're coming into the squad. What
was that experience like along the way going through the season.
As you know, you growing to win a championship. You
don't win a championship at Julee. You win the championship
in January, you know, and growing through that. What was
that experience like for y'all too, as the savants that
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y'all are.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Uh, it was.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
It was a great moment.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
You know, we played together before, but it was a
time where you know, I knew my role at the time,
you know what I mean. So you know, we're two
albums at the same time. I proved myself on being
a star role player, you know what I mean, Like I.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Knew my role.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
I wasn't a big dog or any teams I haven't
played for it. So for me, I fell a line.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I knew what it was, you know. I mean, it
wasn't no ego beating the chest.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
It was like, Okay, I got I have an opinion,
which he always respected it along with the coaching staff.
So it was always a hell of a line of
respect that we have for each other. At the end
of the day, he's playing, you know, forty minutes, I'm
playing twenty six.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Maybe you know what I mean. So you know, as like
I said, the day, it's all.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
About winning, and I was always trying to do the
best to figure out the fire that should be on
the floor, or you know, the two should be in
rotations in the game, whatever team was the staff needed
me to be at that particular time. That's the worro
I tried to play because in the bubble I was
out for six weeks when I broke my thumb.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
So the dope thing was Frank Bogo shout out to
be homie again. He allowed me to get into.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
All the coaches zoms, so I'm understanding again from I'm
on the Championship Coaches STAF. Basically the sixth month rehabing
in LA then I come back. You know when we
play Houston and how we were able to just from
not playing the big the seven foots Javail and Dwight
at all in Houston series and then we're playing against
the Yoki. So it was like being able to be
in that locker room, being able to be in those
meetings while I was gone, I was still able to
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stay in tune and tact with the team and understand
and they knew when I came back to it was
up from there, because like I said, it was always
the greatest good of the team that we were always
striving to be.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Speaking of Javell in Dwight, they've been very outspoken about
that team being broken up too soon.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
What was your take on that.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Do you think the Lakers ultimately moved on too soon
or where y'all I could have done more? Or do
you think that's just what it was. That team was
gonna win the championship and it kind of capped there.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
Nah, I definitely don't think a cap there again, you know,
I mean, you win a championship, you feel like you
have the blueprint and you got to run it back
to see if anybody has figured out before you, did,
you know, crack the code. So I feel like we
were a really deep team like they we're able to
just we've been through seven game series, you know, we've
been battle testing, so you know, I think we already
hit the button next year and figure out how to
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win it again.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Like everybody's feeling good, bron still playing now.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
A was coming off one of the best season. Like
I said, that conference going back into the bubble, you
have the same type.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Of guys going to war with you.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
You know, it's just a psychological thing that you understand
versus a couple of guys ain't here and a.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Lot of teams.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
You know, that's what it comes to the front office
where they come to players like you feel like you
can't plug and play with certain guys. But that year,
nobody was breaking the bank, you know what I mean, Like,
I don't know what it was, but you know it
is maybe either there they got me another two years.
So hey, I wasn't even gonna play out of it.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
You mentioned Lebron still playing.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Just talk about you know, you play with him twice,
you know in your career, Like what has impressed you
the most about him?
Speaker 3 (34:11):
And especially with what he's doing now.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Man, I told you I've never seen nobody take care
of about it like him, rest and diet. I mean
the little cliche is things like all the things he does,
I mean, the way he lifts, the way he goes
at the weight room. Uh, he attacks the weight room,
you know, the way he taxes his own court off
the court, workouts like he's a professional. And again if
you put spend that type of money on your body
and you you know, and when no one's looking and
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no one's watching and you're still doing the right thing.
You know, you're able to stay and have a longevy
a career like it's having not dropping the four triple
dos in a row, sings like. I mean, obviously he's
argued the greatest player of all time. So for me,
I just seen it every day in this region, you
know what I mean. He was very disciplined, and he
goes over and beyond what you know, the average or
even some of the great NBA players have done that.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
I've seen not a that The skill, you know what
I mean, the knowledge you know, and and the know how,
you know what I mean, just makes him super upper echealon,
you know what I mean. It's that discipline that take
you to a whole other level.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
Because he's young guys coming in, more athletic, more explosive,
and he's still able to manipulate the game, get to
his spots, and I feel like he's smart. Everybody obviously
him and Steff doing the same thing, you know what
I mean. Draymond's doing the same thing.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
So the game comes and then I know, you probably
yourself on defense, you know what I mean, My boy Draymond,
I'm campaigning for him for defensive right, you don't let
everybody know that's my dog.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
I'm rocket with him.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Right.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
For your criteria of Defensive Player of the Year, what
would the main qualifications be to be considered for that accolade.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
I'm starting to like analytics, but I'm a I'm a
game watcher as well, you know, I mean, I'm a
field guy. So a lot of things coming to play obviously,
justtical categories. Bus miners on the floor, being able to
switch one through five, how you affect the ball, maybe
not even you know, being around the ball, he's still affecting.
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I mean, it's your communication. There's a lot of factors
for me. So there's not a lot of guys that.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Can do that. I mean, you got to be able
to play in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
Uh yeah, he's got to be able to have an
impact on the game without even scoring. And that's why
I think a guy like myself got like what Draymond does.
Put you up there for defense.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
Fens of the Year always argue about the m v P,
and the m v P is just an offensive category,
and Defensive Player of the Year never gets help with
the same weighted value as.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
An m v P.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
I wanted to get your take on that too.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
Ye that a lot of it's always it's always usually
big different protectors. But I mean there's so many different ways.
And it's not just because how many times are you
giving up points when you gambling?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (37:03):
So it's just like skills can be. You can be
on the worst team in the league, the league team
and steels you make all first team all defense, but
you probably get the probably give to lead the league
and back doors or gamble points going off a gamble.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
So it just depends on how you look at it,
you know, I mean, I don't. It's a different factor
for me.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
You know, speaking of you playing with the Celtics playing
with the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
One part of.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Your career that I'm even I'm extremely interested in hearing about.
It's your years with the Pelicans or a year with
the Pelicans where you have a d playing at m
VP level. You had the markets playing at top five
MVP level that shot you. You you Drew, y'all got
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Drew right.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
We had Drew playing right.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
You getting twenty assists, some nice twenty two assists, twenty
four assists and why should you do that?
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Let me tell you?
Speaker 6 (38:00):
After that team though, and of course y'all knocked us off.
But that the beginning of that year. Alvin Gentry was
the coach, Chris Finn was the office coordinator. And at
first it didn't work. Mecuz drew eighty on the court
didn't work. I needed a ball, They needed a ball
in a certain sense.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
So I was.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
I was on the bench for a while, and then
once Cuz got hurt, that's when I got inserted. But
before then, what I loved doing my job was I
wasn't playing. So I say, okay, cool, I had Cuss eighty,
which is two guys I love playing with. Like I said,
I was giving everything that I got called down to
me from all the great vests part sports. Then I
had one of my favorite teams all the time, j.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
You Holley on the court.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
So I was said, okay, I took a back seat,
roll like, let me try to coach this. So instead
of Cuz in eighty, because at first they both trying
to score fifty, I'm like, Cuz, nip late the game
by scoring twenty five.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Let eighty get the fifty.
Speaker 6 (38:51):
You go for twenty twenty and twenty you know what
I mean, Like go crazy to a different way both
y'all getting fifty won't allow us to win games because
now y'all fight, you could come to the facilitator.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Now, he used to run the delay. He's running stuff
out of elbow. Action making, playmaking, that's what he was.
That's what he was really good at. That particular.
Speaker 6 (39:08):
He's gonna have a big slowgout and a he's gonna
have the agile wings. So it's like then he had
Drew Hardy. So them learning how to play three men
together manipulated the game and we was on a roll.
He got hurt towards towards Achilles, and that's when I
got inserted.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
I was like, okay, cool with my weapons.
Speaker 6 (39:24):
So I took her of while I took you know,
heat of Nico meritage e Troemore.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
You know, I mean, guys made me better than shot makers.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
A d love threat Drew Halliday, the pistol action that
people run me and Drew used to kill that action.
The small small guy pick up step up. He man
were playing pick up the first couple of days and
in it was he stepped up. I'm like, what the
hell is this?
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I think he came. I forgot where he got it from.
But it was.
Speaker 6 (39:46):
It might have been y'all, but he got it and
perspected it. It was, I mean, and I was able
to I was able to hit that past eat. So
it was like the stuff like that. I said that
that team chemistry where he was able to go into
Portland with that mindset. You know, even before the playoffs started,
you and I like who you want? It was either
between Damon c j or James and Chris Paul and we,
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like I said, it was either way, Like we didn't
really care what the smoke was, but it was smoke
either way.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
We went.
Speaker 6 (40:11):
Then we went to Portland, took their business, and then
we ran into them boys and we just didn't having them. Man,
didn't having that?
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Yeah, the.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
Marcus out, it would have been different.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
I mean, I got I got no no, no, no, no,
y'all listen, I'm gonna tell you this, the true story.
Never told the story. So I'm trying to get the
first player of the game. I'm trying to get Ady
to bow. You trying to get him to bow.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
You set the drip didn't happen. Something happened. You ended
up bowing us, and I'm just like, fuck, they hit that.
That was the first tri it was on and like
I said this one and so whatever, But yeah, that was
I was trying to get him to get you from
the jump.
Speaker 6 (40:56):
But if I had, because when he would have sure
cod with really you know what I mean, that's that's
what I feel like. We might have got who's big
than y'all said trying. I'm trying to go through Katie.
I'm trying to go through everybody front line. Of course
they got to deal with the boys running around, But
we can get yall to him out of there, see
y'all anchor, that's for sure.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
You know it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
If a d would have did that, they probably would
have caught me so far off gone, like I wouldn't
have been expected.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Don't walk you up, He don't walk him up.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
I'm sitting here right.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Now trying to think how.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
I don't know how I would be.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
You would have got him back, you better, he might.
Speaker 6 (41:41):
He might might have stole off on him and now
you got three games and were on the next round.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Would have definitely.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Got him back.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
He would have slammed him something, he was like, probably
want reacted.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
Right in the movement. Who knows what I would I
don't know what I would man, thank you a do.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Y'all appreciate you, brother man. And you know, obviously your career,
we've talked about that. I think that's beautiful. But my nephew,
he's thirteen, TJ Walton, Trive traf son, he's fourteen now,
well he's about to turn fourteen a couple of days.
TJ and your son they right around the same age.
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So I followed the scene him like TJ been training
with me since he was like seven or eight years old.
Like okay, so I'm I'm well invested, like that's that's
my nephew. I'm like like Trave allows me to be
like a second father to him, Like that's not close
to me. And travel and Trave went overseas as soon
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as TJ was born. So when TJ was born and
he was like literally baby Trave's wife like if she
needed somebody to do something, TJ, I go, I'll do
teach like travels overseas, So our relationship is different. I
pay attention to the scene. Your young fella, he got
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some game. What is it like going through this journey
with him?
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Now?
Speaker 2 (43:13):
From your perspective of how you grew up, was just
going to the park going here, going in hooping and
now I always talk about nowadays your son is actually
the prototypical NBA player. It's an NBA player son. Or
like the days of a Rajon Rondo coming from Louisville
or Baron Davis coming from Inglewood or Draymond Green coming
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from Saginaw.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
Michigan, those days are over.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
That kid now who had a dream to make it out,
he's way too far behind because Rajon Rondo son has
been getting the training since he was eight years old,
seven years old.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
By his dad.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
He know what to do with the body, he know
what to do with the nutrition. So the kid in
the hood at Saginaw or Louisville or they so far
behind now that they can't make it anymore.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
What do you make of just being on this journey
with him? What's it? What's it like training with him?
And just as you see it from your vantaged point.
Speaker 6 (44:13):
Down, see what I pride myself on even with my
foundation work, you know what I mean? Like I feel
like when I'm from the city, like we don't have
a lot of big time celebrities.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
We have a lot of famous people.
Speaker 6 (44:24):
So for me, my team, may you teams, I got
some of them kids, you know what I mean. So
I feel like I want kids my program to use
me as a resource to get to where they want
to be. I mean, it's being able to be exposed
to certain things. While I take them on trips, I
might take them in the locker room a couple years
of back into them, the downs may locker room, you know,
just the dream big and.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
My son has these has these things. So for me,
it's trying.
Speaker 6 (44:44):
It's hard to try to keep them humble and understand,
like you know, what it takes to work and what
it takes to get to this level that isn't just
given to you bigger obstacles. And for him, like you said,
the way we grew up was different. I was able
to play basketball nine stopped up the right. He has
to pretty much schedule his workouts when he plays because
you can't just you know nowadays since COVID kids, you
can't go down.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
The street and play basketball.
Speaker 6 (45:04):
So you got to kind of organize for them to
play this random pick up and that's what we've done
the last couple of months. But again, like you said,
I've have resources to do that like other kids don't.
So the kids that aren't being able to play basketball
with just some random kids at that age. They don't
how do they get better or how they judge where
they're going to be. And then obviously it takes so
long to get to the goal. But with him, we
just worked.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Man. Like I said, I try to teach him that
different responsibilities, not on and off the court. He's a
great student, and I said, just you know value, I
understand and respect each opponent. You know, you got a
big targeting back. But what I love to do is
I love the targets. You know.
Speaker 6 (45:38):
I went by gun for the targets. And again people's
on the gun for him. But you put the work in,
you chank, you can't cheat the game. And he's learning that.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
He's young.
Speaker 6 (45:47):
I don't want him to said, he's playing football too,
you know what I mean. I wanted to play all
different sports because you don't. I don't want him to
burn out. And I thought, again, I was maybe fourteen fifteen.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
I thought I was going pro on football, and then
I switched over, had a relationship my high school basketball coach,
and then I started love love for that, and then
that's why I went that.
Speaker 6 (46:04):
So he's pretty good on a couple different sports. So
I don't want to box himself end. But if you
want to play basketball, cool. I wasn't even learning to
man's just money, that's it.
Speaker 5 (46:12):
My son ten and he played football. You know, I've
been trying to crack the cold with him, you know,
in basketball. But I think right now, you know, at
ten years old, he's like, all right, football is my thing,
and I'm just trying to like, hey, bro, all the.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Great football players play basketball, right Like as.
Speaker 5 (46:30):
A dad, you know, uh, the pushback earlier, like how
do you you know, like, how do you set them
up for.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
For that structure for basketball? You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (46:42):
I feel like football easy because he just throw them
out there. They're gonna figure it out. But basketball is different,
you know.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Man, it's definitely different.
Speaker 6 (46:50):
Timbler just kind of just watching the games with him,
seeming we like, you never I never forced him. He
started off swimming, you know, he did piano, so just
giving him different things and did tennis, so we kind
of just you know, you know, thank god we have
these resources that I was able to expose him to
different things and he wanted to possibly play and obviously
come to the games with me being in the bubble
that kind of just persuade them to kind of like, okay,
(47:11):
getting the hangout in locker room and see Lebron, you know,
talk to certain guys from the game.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
So I feel like he just kind of naturally fell
in love with it.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Yeah he's nice though.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Yeah, man, we got we got so he got.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Right.
Speaker 5 (47:25):
Junior is nice. Mante Ellens Jr. Is nice too, all
the juniors, junior juniors.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
The next up. That's the next up.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Man, It's very Do you ever as someone with it
with a junior? I go back and forth sometimes like
man ship, I love that he's DJ, like I love
like and you know that he go by DJ, don't
really go by Draymond, right, But I love that he's
a junior. But sometimes I go back and forth like, damn,
(47:57):
did I do him with this service? Do you ever
have those up to like, man, my son of junior?
Speaker 1 (48:03):
I do I do from time to time. I I
love it. I wouldn't change it. But we call him Pierre.
Speaker 6 (48:08):
You know, he kind of you know, he wants to
have his own identity, which I completely understand. He goes
that Peel Pierre, so you know, I let him, you know,
do his own thing. I just I just let him
get an Instagram, so I let him pick his own name.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
Let's put you on there.
Speaker 4 (48:25):
So what's his name?
Speaker 1 (48:28):
It's still I give it. I can't give it out yet, perfect.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
Yeah, don't give it out off. Don't give it out off.
Speaker 6 (48:40):
He flooded, trying to flood man, trying to flood. No,
soon soon though, soon we gonna flood it. But yes,
I ain't got much left. But I must mention something,
something I heard over the summer. You know, I got
bit married in August fourteen, two thousand.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
I know you. I know you just got congratulations. Shout
off to Diane Valentine.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Shout out to miss Valentine.
Speaker 6 (49:09):
Yes, do it, I tell you, listen here, Thank you Valentine, y'all.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
And then we went. You know, we had to stay
without you know, so she.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
Told me, she said, Draymond.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
By the way I saw her, I was after private
suite about to fly to l A.
Speaker 4 (49:28):
I saw her.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Landing back a week after your wedding, and she like,
we just got back. I was like, y'all just got back.
I saw everybody over at the wedding week ago. She like, yeah, Raymond,
like you gotta close this stuff out. You gotta do this,
you gotta do that. She was like, but I'm gonna
tell you, Draymon ray John made sure y'all didn't out
(49:51):
do that.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Nah. She she's still send to me. I said, lady, yeah,
it was we had the time. We had a mother
in time. Yo, I'm already knowing.
Speaker 4 (50:08):
I saw videos from y'all wedding, which was like.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
Yo, that way that looked lint and y'all sat the
tone though, I was.
Speaker 6 (50:18):
I was like, oh that listen, she's amazing ya you know,
an amazing woman.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
A couple of my teammates and be like, who did is?
I'm like, all right now.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
The crazy thing is, though she's so great I managing
the budget.
Speaker 4 (50:37):
Who killed me was my wife?
Speaker 1 (50:40):
That part that like Diana, she.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
Keep coming back to me looking like like she keep
coming back to me with this look on her face.
Speaker 4 (50:50):
Like and she keep coming back with this look.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
And the whole time is hazel and hazes she killing
me and Diane she she like Draymond. I know I
told you the bunchet is, but I know you said
the bunch of this this and we said we work
in it. But she wanted to do this and she wanted,
but the things were so great, Bro, I couldn't say no.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
You say no one time?
Speaker 4 (51:15):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (51:16):
I ain't never doing ever like my wife. I mean
they they like this. It's like great mental for like
I said, she's been there, done it all like great
lady Great. I mean she she's a Marcia Great.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
Hey, fellas, listen, if you'all out there getting married, I
know something of y'all are.
Speaker 4 (51:36):
If you want to.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
See this video, if you want to see the video
or some pictures of a wedding, we got two of
them for y'all to.
Speaker 1 (51:43):
See what we vouch you.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
And I've been to some weddings that are with some
of the highest name uh wedding planners, and man, the
weddings look like nothing right and they're not that.
Speaker 3 (51:59):
Fun taste, Bro, you gotta taste.
Speaker 6 (52:02):
So I'm telling y'all young fellas Netflix, Man, it was right.
Speaker 5 (52:11):
And looking back on it, yeah, a movie.
Speaker 4 (52:17):
I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
If you want to have a good time and a
great looking weather and the memory for a lifetime, if
you want your stuff to be playing and bleep, they don't.
Speaker 4 (52:26):
Mess with Diana.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Because your stuff gonna look right, it's gonna feel right.
Speaker 4 (52:31):
It's gonna be right. If you out there just looking
for the big name, go.
Speaker 5 (52:37):
Stop hanging with Rinch people because their food be nasty.
That's why I have to cut my Rinch friends off.
That food be nasty as hell, right though you already
like so olives and ship man, give me some food, Homer.
Speaker 4 (53:01):
Hey, I got one more before we get out of here.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
When you look at the game of where it is
now and like, you know, the trend of where it's
going as opposed to where it was when you first
came in and say your first five to seven years
in the league, the overall IQ of basketball, do you
see the IQ back then being higher or the IQ
where it.
Speaker 4 (53:20):
Is today with gods today being hired.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
That's a great question. You know, you you're still in it.
You know, I've been out three years.
Speaker 6 (53:29):
But you know it hasn't been too long. But at
the same time, I feel like maybe guys back then,
uh yeah, focused more, I guess, you know, a lot
more distractions now off the court, you know, social media,
Like you know, back then it wasn't we didn't have
social media, so we're kind of pretty much more locked
in the sense. So even like I said, certain teams
(53:50):
for me, like after we lost or not we lost,
but we went with the Celtics. After every game we
be in the training room would be you know, Ray,
the Big Three, myself and a couple of guys, always
talking game plan, strategy and how we lost, why we lost,
while we won, why we want I mean type of
vice versa. So that was just kind of the thing
like and get carried over like a lot of different
teams I played for, but that was the one that
(54:10):
stood out the most, like we were always intact and
we were always communicating and figuring out right away.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
How we could have made a justice throughout the game.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
Yeah, do you think that that is all a byproduct
of how many adults was in the room then and
how many young guys Like there's no vets.
Speaker 6 (54:26):
Now you know that's what it is. And then it
was important point in my career. I think maybe you're
like maybe twelve or ten eleven for me and all
if all my homes were gone, it was like down
the lead, I want the vests no more, like I said,
they don't. They don't appreciate, you know, them teaching me
how to be a man, how to do you know
had a conductment's own off the court, not this to
be yes man.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
So for me, that was a big wing up call
for me, like they ain't playing.
Speaker 6 (54:49):
With y'all y'all old fellas because they they try to
get you outed so they can have people. To me,
I thought they could control or people that communicate more
to just say yes everything they tell them what to
do versus how to brow what the what to do
the right things and win to insert this, so when
to ask questions.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
So it was just, uh, you know, my difference.
Speaker 6 (55:05):
Of opinion and thinking that that wasn't you know, the
idea they should have kept me in the locker room.
Speaker 4 (55:09):
Man.
Speaker 5 (55:09):
I felt like they they pushed the vets out for
younger coaches that was the same age, thinking that they
can do the same thing. But it's just a difference
and a level of respect. When somebody get out there
and can really get down. People see you play in
the finals, people see you playing the playoffs. You got legacy,
(55:31):
and so when you replace that with coaching, you know
what I mean, you don't get the sauces, you don't
get the ism, and you don't get the growth.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (55:40):
Let me on my thing, not to cut you off
but that's what to me, like I speak for. It's
what Sam Pacelle came in for, you know what I mean,
like he was playing t Lou came in like those
guys are the bridge connected. Is the guy that would
ever teach me? Okay, this is cool to think, cool
to kind of what I told you you did for me.
So like those point guards to step on Maberry's like
they brought those bets in for me to show me
the ropes and I took it, like I said, a
(56:01):
lot of from everybody, and they was in my I
mean they were giving me the game. Let me get
all of them about with all my teammates and I said,
Eddie House posy.
Speaker 1 (56:11):
I mean, I just I got all the game and
I just try to soak it up.
Speaker 4 (56:14):
That's what's up, Many, That's that's.
Speaker 5 (56:16):
A shout out to you, man, Hall of Famer. Point
You wanted the realists. You wanted the realists to do it.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
Man, I'm gonna be out l a song, get on
the show, live with it.
Speaker 4 (56:27):
Man, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (56:28):
That's love man, Basketball savant champions, much love respect man.
Speaker 4 (56:36):
Appreciate you brother, Stay healthy, my dog, Yes, sir, thank you, Bro.
Speaker 3 (56:40):
I got.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
I'm almost done.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
Was a player, bro already Bro, I got you go take.
Speaker 3 (56:51):
Dark Job too.
Speaker 6 (56:55):
I'm getting the game from man, my guy.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
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Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show with My Dog BD.
We got a special We got a special episode for
y'all today.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
And even before BD.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Came and made this show special, I would always talk
about this guy as someone who considered themselves and think
of themselves as a good basketball man, someone who I
like consider like that. I look to as like one
of the most brilliant basketball monds that the game has
ever seen, and I spoke about one to have him
(02:01):
on the podcast. He's a two time champion, sixteen year
NBA VET, four time NBA All Star, two time NBA
All Defense First Team, two time NBA All Defense Second Team,
led the league in assists for three seasons, was the
Steels leader, once one of the best point guards to
(02:22):
play the game, and when you when you keep it
too real. They try to say that you not what
you really are. One of the best point guards we've
ever seen, graced this game, no nother Dan, the one
and only Rayjon Rondoe, Welcome.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
To the show.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Appreciate that, man, Appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Love absolutely absolutely, man, abd, I gotta, I gotta, I
gotta piggyback off that intro.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Man, I gotta ask some sauce.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
You know, he is the Maestro, the mass scientist, the Einstein,
the uh basically the Boskyacht of dictator ship.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
You feel what I'm saying, Like, appreciate that.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Like the way you orchestrate you know, uh, just your style, bro,
your style, you a one on one you original, you
know what I mean. I've been a fan of you
since Kentucky, you know, when you got in the league.
You know it was one of the dudes. I hate
it the most because with hate comes admiration. You feel
(03:25):
what I'm saying, And I just like, I just always
watch you play, you know what I mean, because like,
like the way the way you orchestrated the game, the
way you paint it was just like I love the
way you paint it. As an artist, it was just
it was just a joy to watch. So, Hall of Famer,
I appreciate you being on the show as well, my dad.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
I appreciate y'all man like that. Uh, that type of
love gives me chills. Man to hear from the periods
and especially guys, I respect you know that most so
I appreciate that. I appreciate the love, appreciate the honesty,
and let's get it.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Sha't you coming up? Hey? But let's.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
We are just in our own separate places, just finished
washing watching this Bosston Celtics Cleveland Cavaliers game.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
No, what's your what's your thoughts on these two teams
that you.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Know, you had the street going with Cleveland fifteen and
oh they going into the defendant champs house. You who's
a champion yourself? You know how it is coming off
a championship season. Maybe you drop a couple of games
here and they're just not locked in right, and you know,
so then everybody moves on to the next hot thing
that is the Cleveland Cavaliers, and then you know, you
(04:35):
see what happened today?
Speaker 4 (04:36):
What do you make of what just happened in these
two teams? As this season player?
Speaker 1 (04:41):
There's levels to it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (04:42):
The champion of what time it was at the crib
that wasn't allowed body to come in their crib and
you know, make.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
It hard for him.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
Kudos to the Celtics, like they're being prepared, the only
team has figured it out so far. So other than that,
I'm not surprised, you know that the team that knock.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Them off bed. What's your thoughts on that game.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
The more I watched Cleveland, the more I like them.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
I just think that they got to just figure out
how to make Boston play to their game and their pace,
and it's gonna be really predicated on I think Darius
Garland in the way Allen played Jared Allen. You know,
like they're gonna beat the cornerstones of that team and
they're gonna be the ones that's gonna really take a
(05:22):
lot of pressure off of Donovan Mitchell and Evan Mobley.
But I mean, great matchup when you look at versatility,
like intensity, but you know Boston is a bus saw.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
They hard to guard bro.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Now for sure, and tonight they what they did show
you was like at no point in the game where
they ever faced and that's that's that's having that chip.
It's like, oh they come to here and they think
they gonna come here and do this, like these are
the games that you get serious for right when you're
defending the title, you know what I'm saying, And that
that's the game that they got serious for.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Now.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
If you're the Cavs, I think one thing that like
you look at how the cast finished the game. They
finished the game with one big. Their best lineups have
two bigs. You know, Todd Jeron finished the game because
of what he brings offensively. They don't necessarily trust the
Okoros and the Dean Ways offensively against a team like Boston,
(06:23):
you know. So when you look at those couple of things,
I think you have to take a step back and
you quickly realize and not to overreact, but that Cavaliers
team is going to quickly realize like, oh okay, we
just saw that.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Now that was something different.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
How we take the next step is how can we
how we react to playing a team like that? And
so I think overall it's a great matchup though that
NBA Cup.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Series, that environment, that atmosphere. Look at Test one.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Don't obviously being great that you were there.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I feel like at one point while you were there
and KG and all those guys that left. You were
for sure the best play guard in the league and
top two or three best players in the league while
you're there, and then then you left and it wasn't
all love. Do you still feel get to fill in
there and get the love there of like that's home
(07:18):
for you or do they not necessarily give you that?
Speaker 6 (07:21):
No, They've always given me that, even even after winning
chip with the Lakers. You know, they still welcome you home.
A lot of workers that were there when I was,
you know, back in the day, that's still there. So
it's all love, family, a lot of great people that
work in the organization.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
For sure.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Man, you are one of the few players to win
a championship for the Boston Celtics and the Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Lakers. The guy who won Minneapolis Lakers in Boston.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Was the only one, you know, So you're the only one.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
You know the Lakers. Yeah, I got it two of us.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
So los Angeles Boston championship versus a Los Angeles championship.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Here you compare it to you can't compare it.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
You know, you can't compare it honestly, because the twenty
twenty we were in the bubble, so we didn't get
and get a parade, So I only had one parade
and that was the most amazing thing that's happened to
me in basketball. You know, just that type of love
and reaction. How to you know, to see a fan
you've seen this year, but to be a part of it,
to get on a duckboat go on to.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Tour, it was amazing. So that's the only opportunity I
got to have a parade.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
But that particular time when I won in twenty twenty,
you know, my son was in the bubble with me,
so that made that moment, you know, that was more
special than you win it at.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Twenty Oh that's the picture behind you.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yep, that's that picture was far
bro That's one of the most iconic championship pictures in
the history the lea.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I had no idea he must have been watching.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
So speaking of the bubble, when people try to say
it's a bubble championship, is this as someone who's won
a championship in the bubble someone who's won a championship
out in the bubble?
Speaker 4 (09:14):
How do you compare the two from.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
That aspect of not traveling or being in the bubble,
the different challenges or lack there are or you know.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
To me, I enjoyed the bubble because you get to
see the guy every day that you walking past. You know,
you get to see the enemy. And there's no distractions,
you know what I mean. There's no outside you know,
there's no hotel flights, and everybody is in one room.
There's no excuses. It's check ball, you know, fan, No,
there's no advantages. Yeah, it's my best, my five against
(09:44):
your best. Vive and figure it out. And you got
to obviously the seven games to figure it out. But
I love that that mind, that concept. But we go
right to the room, then we go to film. We
were we was able to learn a lot more during
that time than I would say if we were able to, like,
you know, go home, practice and get hel distractions, don't
think about the game. But in the bubble, that's all
you're thinking about obviously. You know, it's like in real
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life and playoffs and you're on the road. You know,
you go home, you think.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
About the game.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
But like when you're in the bubble with everything and
every you can go to your boys room, you can
talk about it, like and you've got to figure it
out on the fly and you.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
See an enemy's every.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Time, ok, right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
We had that's crazy.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
In the same place, you know what I mean, We
had a couple of meetings to where, you know, things
that we're gonna play, so we all we saw each
other all the time.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
And I love you. I love that that feeling.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
That's crazy too, because when you play someone that meaningful
playoff seats, there's naturally a beef created.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Like like, it's naturally bro, I don't really like you like.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
You third game for sure, you like man.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Like you. It's naturally created, and y'all may see each
other somewhere years down the road to be like.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Man, Bro, that was fun and that was crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
But right after, like during that, it's a beef creator
in the year, it's like it's a beef like Ronald
like you man like because y'all are going after the
safe d.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
And it's a tense.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I loved it, you know, I mean, it was it
was fun to be a part of.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
That's a whole different mind dude.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
That's why I love you and respect you, bro, because
people don't even understand that mind game, bro, Like that's
it's guys, and you notice that game in that movement
that didn't understand you were playing that mind game like yeah, bro.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Like come on, man, what were doing.
Speaker 6 (11:38):
I was talking about how me and Brown was looking
at the game like it was Boston Miami, and I
was like, I got who was at the sound of
Stephen brad Steven, he was like he got spoken. So
I was like, we were, like I said, we mentally
we were preparing, like to go to the war and
figure out, Okay, I got to beat this coach and
he saying I gotta beat this coach.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
And we knew each other's bag whichever way, whichever rout
we took, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
So that's why company we was gonna win that bad boy,
even before the ball we felt like we were the ones,
you know, I mean, we had a hell of a season.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Man.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
To talk about your mentality just like the brand you wanted,
Like how did you.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Cook that up? You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Like did you like growing up? And like you know,
who didn't you want to be like?
Speaker 3 (12:18):
And who.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Crediting bed? I didn't watch basketball growing up.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I didn't watch basketball growing up. I thought I was
an NFL player. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I was.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I was playing football.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
I was always outside, I was active. I didn't do
no no TV watching. I didn't watch no local team,
you know what I mean. I didn't watch a little card.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
No.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
That's why it wasn't a big differ because I didn't
grow up a fan anything. So when I picked up
the game and I felt like, Okay, I was good
enough to do it. I can do it as a goal,
you know what I mean. Like, I didn't grow up
in anything like I want to be in. They play
grow up No, not like my son's names are. To me,
I was just a kid on the street, just having
fun and joint sports, being active. When it came that decision,
I said, I was exposed to a different lifestyle. Introduced
(12:58):
Derek Anderson. He kind of took me on his wing
as a mentor.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
So I'm like, that's how you're living, or this is
what you're doing every day waking up, Okay, cool and me,
we're going to be hard. And Introduced to Mike Bibbie.
When I went out to Sacramento for a couple of
days worked out and I'm like, damn, this is the life. Okay, cool,
let me get to it.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
And after that I kind of put my my hard
head on, my heart head on and just worked. I
was like, I gotta figure out how to get this.
I mean this type of the vacations. I mean, this
is all the means to come with it. So that
was the goal of mine. That's how I did it.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
How did you know what was right? Though?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Though?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
To not watch the game at all, end all the
past and said to see the floor the way you
see the floor, which is different than just about anybody,
and see the floor, how did you figure it out out?
Speaker 6 (13:43):
It sounds crazy. I love the game. I played the
game like so, I always play with older kids, you.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
I was the youngest on the court and older brother play,
you know, not getting picked up from whatever it's hooping.
And then we played growing up, my boys talk about
all the time. We walked differ neighborhoods, we played any
anywhere everywhere around the city and we just hoo. But
as far I was knowledge of the game, my high
school coach shout out of Doug baby. He brought me
start bringing it down to game down to me as
a freshman, and I was like, okay, I was I
was frustrated. I hate seeing myself on tape, and I
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was like, but the tapes was telling the truth. I
mean it was it was giving me the answer to
the test. So I locked into that, and I was like, Okay,
what can I be great?
Speaker 2 (14:16):
You know?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I mean I always wanted to have the answer to
the test.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
Like my older brother taught me everything you do mathematically,
so I wanted to be the first to go to
the board the answers. That's how it was in basketball. Okay,
the coach is telling me his film is answers. So
now I go on the court. I know what you're
doing before you know what you're doing in a sense
because of your habits. So I just studied and learned
and locked that locked in that way and just kept
it going ship and just learned the game. And I
loved the like the line of Sponge, give me everything
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you got from all the grades I played with.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I'm taking a little bit of this, little bit of
that and then implementing the guys I played with.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
That's how I love to play with the Cousins in
the eighties because I was getting them what I got
from Derk Kevin.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
You know, I mean, Shack you know jamane O one.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
I was able to get a lot of great information,
and like I said, I always just wanted to sow
as much as I could from all all of them.
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Speaker 5 (16:37):
Like when you came intead of league, it's almost like
your gay went to a whole like you was called
in college?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (16:50):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (16:52):
List Let me bro ya.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Listen. We had like Paul McDonald No. Three McDonald's Americans,
and we bringing about on the court.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
And we can get up the court and go I mean,
we had we had some players, but like I said,
I didn't you know, he didn't need the hit her.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
There I'm where I am today. I'm thanking for it.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
But like, yeah, we was ready to go and I
needed this space and let me go, you know what
I mean. But didn't let me do that at first though.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
That's what I was saying. Yeah, that's what I was saying.
You came in with with with a chip on your shoulder.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I was disrespected.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
And on top of that, you have vts, you know
what I mean, you had like superstar vets that like
you gotta have that, you know what I'm saying, to
get they respect, Like talk about that, man, But.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
The crazy thing people ask me that, But I didn't. Man,
I didn't grow up a fan of none of them,
respect all of the I didn't grow up a fan of.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Nobody, like you know, the big ticket. I know who
the big ticket was, you know, I mean he played Minnesota.
I didn't have cable. We don't watch TV. You know,
they never I didn't watch see he got games. I
didn't really watch brand in Seattle, so I don't. I
didn't so I wasn't. I was never in awe of anybody.
It was just like, shit, okay, cool, this is what
they do well. This is what I do well.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
So and knowing that KG was like he wanted me
to stay, I was like, sure, let's get it, you
know what I mean, Like I said, I'm gonna earn
their respect, but much more portly. I just knew what
I wanted to be, you know what I mean, Like,
I want to be the great they know you hear
this shit about they can't win with a young point guard.
Me and Perk got all the disrespect that. So I
was like, okay, cool, it's a motivation. I was supposed
to be a bus twenty first pick, you know what
I mean. So they I got traded to the Boston Think.
(18:26):
You know, Thank goodness. That's you know, the way the
world works.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
I like work.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
So other than that, I was always motivated, and I
always wanted to prove people wrong.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
And I love to shut the motherfucker up, you know
what I mean. That's why I love going the road
and playing. That's that's the best thing. That one of
the best feelings.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
That's the fact shutting that crowd up. Yeah, man, I
heard this story before.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Where your rookie year you got obviously ray KG.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
No, no, no, not my rookie year, second year, second year.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Second year, you got ray KG. Truth. Yeah, at that point,
you still the young fella. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
They stars, you still the young fella. And I heard
there was a point very early in that season where
you had to stop and like all three at one time,
check them and try to fight them.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Hell no, I ain't trying to fight.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Like like just more so like letting them know, like
I understand who y'all are, Like not necessarily like yo,
I'm trying to fight y'all out at once, but I
understand who y'all are. But there's a level of respect
to be high here too.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
No, it was it was no, it was never no
scenes like that between us really, you know the stuff
here about maybe you know me and Ray or whatever
the other that, But like, nah, Casey was from the
first time we played. You know, we came in early,
were spoken on in the championship. We came in like
maybe three weeks before training camp started. First pick up,
He's yelling screen screen screen, I'm.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Like, damn, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
It's a night and day difference. He in the paint
so now I feel more cumforable, being able to getting
to the ball. I ain't got to do this, but
I got a nigga behind me talking. I mean, what's
going on communication wise. So we've always had a great rapport.
I mean, you know we but his just like with
all my teammate at the same time, that's all love
and for him, he was the one that helped me
accountable when I fucked up.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
He was like, hey, I felt like that, ain't it.
Or he'd be like, you know what, you got.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
A point stand on that, you know, I mean, so
it was kind of like he would still teach me
to rose, but also hold me accountable and not let
me get away with the bullshit. Other times I may
have gotten away with certain things.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
So so KG, you said, KG is your bet.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
No.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
I got went to all universities, Paul Price, University, Royality, University, and.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
To University show Yeah, I got traveling in all of them.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
It was Funsity Man.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
You see the show Boy, but see the first coulf
years dealing with Paul Man. He was tough. Like that
first year Paul.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Left, he got hurt and he was like he got
out of us and he took all back to La
So it was it was a brief interaction him my
first year. But then, like I said, you got around Kevin,
but I feel like they all messed well.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
And when the one thing they did great was they
was all sacrifice, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
That was like egos were a side or what about
who got the biggest contract?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
And to me, KG sacrificed the most. I think he
had made.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
The most at the time, you know, So he was
always took the backseat, let them get the sh off.
Then he'd be like, hey, bring that bitch down here,
you know what I mean. So that's when he really
was chopping to me. But other than that, he was
with the sacrifice that screens no matter what, you know,
I mean, standing to pick a roll longer. That was
the type of one of my greatest the best team
I probably played with for sure.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Wow, that's crazy. So just just as a leader, KG
a different traps.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Different I mean, his mindset, the way he approaches the game,
his focus, like his discipline, his day to day routine,
Like it's like him and I would say bron Or
like the most strict on teammates I've ever played with.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
That dude.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Everything always the same, like as the hell of experience,
like to see that and be a teammate of that.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Man dooe. We got on and you mentioned you had
an exam today.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Like exam you say you going back to school, talk
like talk to us about that.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
What inspires you to go back?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
At this point, You've had a successful career, you've made money.
Your focus is your son and helping him reach his dreams.
But yeah, you back in school taking classes to get
your degree.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
What drove you to do that? And how is it going?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I was wrong, Well I'm backing usually Kentucky get my
degree in Human communication communications.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
I would say, I try to make a lot of
checklists and certain goals of mine always want to check
them out, and right now I'm been fortunate to stay.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
My life is kind of a completed checklist.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
So I had to add more goals and that was
one that, like I said, I left school sophomore year
in Kentucky. I decided to go pro obviously, and then
my get niggadviser shout out to Mike Mike Stone. He's
been telling me to come back years after years, and
I'm like, I'll get there when I get a chance.
So me retired, I had a lot of downtime and
I can't sit around and be the uber dad all
day long because the kids got to go to school.
So I'm like, shit, while they going to school, I
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could be learning and growing too. And I was like,
you know, I want to graduate before my daughter graduates college.
So we'll probably graduate actually this same time next year,
next spring.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
So I'm looking forward to doing that. I don't learn learn,
I want to grow.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
You know, dude, you got a daughter about to graduate college.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
No, No, she's graduate in high school.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
I'm like, man, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
She's seventeen a senior year going to Bama volleyball.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
So yeah, man, congratulation. So with school, you know, and
now gave me a degree. Like, what's life like after basketball?
With some of the things you went to?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
You know, now that you retired, it's been peaceful. Man.
You know, I'm newly wed. I got married by five
months ago, so you.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
Know, I'm just enjoying life. Appreciate it, you know what
I'm saying. Only built that moving to the crib. Like
I said, educate myself. H I spent a lot of
time with the families being like I said, he you
coach just living like man, like I said, learn it
actually been messing with with your boy dot out there.
I min walking a little bit, just kind of learned
from them internship.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
He Hey, who hit the button?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Doc?
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Bring Ron shoot Rondo right to the top. Man, would
you go please save your coach? Man, I thought she
was over there full time. You need to you need
to go, say I got the kiddos.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Man.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Nah, Man, they you know, a couple of these colleges here, Man,
they ain't help them.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
They have been a big.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Even Rondo won't go. I Rondo won't go even round
don't go, won't go. You come on, man, you can't
have a coach all all in the videos the commercials hey, man, hey,
that's my first win.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
That boy got my first chip man.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Michelle, y'all did that though, you did that?
Speaker 6 (25:22):
But listen, it's my philosophy. B I'll get that a lot, though.
But my thing is, if you got the talent, why
don't you do that? He can't place for you. I
a'man ex huge for him, but I'm like there were
times in the huddle where he'd be like, look, if
y'all on the same page, I'll do all things.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
So it wasn't like totally maybe he's used to, you know, people.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Being able to manipulate and do their own thing, but
he said some some great teams, name characters you know,
came short obviously, But I feel like it was always
on us regards us a talent, and then for me
personally with you know, with the guy on some marribady
around me.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I was like, we can figure this out full times
before you beat us whole times.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, I mean, you're you're a genius, you know what.
You know what I mean. Not everybody is DNA to learn.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Some people have like incredible star power and incredible basketball
playing capabilities, but there's like two levels of learning then
trying to learn the entire DNA, you know what I mean,
And think like a coach be more than a coach,
and I think like you need that coach to be
able to like at least push you in that direction.
(26:29):
You got that gift, bro, you got you got a
wizard bag, you know what I mean, Like you was
a baby wizard already.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
You already had that, you know what I mean, KG
had that.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
But a lot of times the coach got to be able,
you know, to set that buffet and say, look, these
are these are all the other.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Things that you can be capable of.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
No, you mentioned you said, I got to kiddos, So
does that mean you would never full time coach until
like your kids graduate.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Know what I want to do.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
For my daughter senior year, so that was big is
like me and my son. He just turned thirteen a
couple of day. So uh, I'm okay with him, you
know what I mean, I have it enough. But like
I just want to be there for my daughter senior year,
all the prom, you know, the homecoming.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
She loves the party, so I gotta I gotta be here.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
You got that, you got that prom party. That's gonna
be who that's going.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
That's going to trap me enough for us, you know boys.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
So coaching is ultimately what you want to do.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
Though one, and I want to I want to mess
with the front office too, you know what I mean,
Like I want to do some internship. I'm gonna call
Danny eventually get one of my guys that bleed in
from day one. So just like I said, a guy
that's in the front office want to get around and
pick their brain. Stee from that side. But I definitely
love teaching the game. And I would love to win it,
you know, from both GM and a coach you.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Know, moving to another frenchise that you want a championship with.
You got a young coach, got who you played many
of your years in the NBA with, possibly college y'all,
y'all probably playing against the other in college. Uh you
guys young JJ, REDDITCK y'all getting the coaching world taking
over the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
What do you make of the.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Job he's done and what do you untimately think he
becomes as a head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
I think he's in the hell of a job. You know,
obviously get eighty back to what we know he's table
playing on. You know, first and foremost, you know, you
want your best player to be at all time, believe
it in you very confident. And then you hear the
comments in the media. You know, obviously everything is gonna
translate to the wins. But at the same time, he's
got the captains there, you know, Bron Obviously they have
a great rapport already. So just having that grace and understanding,
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you know what I mean, he's able to coach him as well.
I think you know, you've seen a couple of times
with this, so JJ you might getting on Bron which
you know he's not combative in that matter, but he's
able to be coachable and he maybe doing that standards
ground the player see that, and I think that's allowing
him to be like, Okay, we believe in this guy.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, I look forward to the day you're ready to
make that jump, because don't give me the assistant coach stuff.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Don't don't give me the all.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
You need it, but you need to go do this, You.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Need to go do that, and you don't have the experience.
Don't give me that.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
No, I don't want to hear that, because what they
do know is Ron do is one of the greatest
basketball buyers, the grace the NBA. Ronjo is an NBA
champion already, right, Rondo is an All Star. Rondo is
all defense, and you know he got the mind.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
He watched more film.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
And if you know anything about the NBA and the
and the workers, you know Ron don't watch more film
than the coaches watched already as a player. So I
just don't want to hear when when Doe is ready
to take that leap and he looking for a job,
he's not looking for an assistant coach job. He's looking
for a hand job because JJ's doing it. He's showing
(29:54):
you that it's possible. And we know how smart Rondo is,
so I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Give me, give me some paces. We're gonna we're gonna craft.
You know, I got a blue brain, and give me
the pieces.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
And also standing on topic and speaking of the Lakers,
obviously you play with a D again who you have
balling in New Orleans and when you're with the Lakers,
a D has his best time with the Lakers, no
surprise there. But also playing with Brin You spoke a
little bit about it earlier, but just talk to me
about like going through the season as a two alphas
(30:35):
b two guys. Who I mean, who knows which one
of y'all smarter? It's not even a who's smarter, it's
number one, Like the level of y'all brain. Like from
a basketball standpoint, there is no one, a one that's
just here. How was that experience with your resume and
(30:56):
the respect that you have because bron know you got
a basketball ye and you're coming into the squad. What
was that experience like along the way going through the season.
As you know, you growing to win a championship. You
don't win a championship at Julee. You win the championship
in January, you know, and growing through that. What was
that experience like for y'all too, as the savants that
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y'all are.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Uh, it was.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
It was a great moment.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
You know, we played together before, but it was a
time where you know, I knew my role at the time,
you know what I mean. So you know, we're two
albums at the same time. I proved myself on being
a star role player, you know what I mean, Like I.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Knew my role.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
I wasn't a big dog or any teams I haven't
played for it. So for me, I fell a line.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I knew what it was, you know. I mean, it
wasn't no ego beating the chest.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
It was like, Okay, I got I have an opinion,
which he always respected it along with the coaching staff.
So it was always a hell of a line of
respect that we have for each other. At the end
of the day, he's playing, you know, forty minutes, I'm
playing twenty six.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Maybe you know what I mean. So you know, as like
I said, the day, it's all.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
About winning, and I was always trying to do the
best to figure out the fire that should be on
the floor, or you know, the two should be in
rotations in the game, whatever team was the staff needed
me to be at that particular time. That's the worro
I tried to play because in the bubble I was
out for six weeks when I broke my thumb.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
So the dope thing was Frank Bogo shout out to
be homie again. He allowed me to get into.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
All the coaches zoms, so I'm understanding again from I'm
on the Championship Coaches STAF. Basically the sixth month rehabing
in LA then I come back. You know when we
play Houston and how we were able to just from
not playing the big the seven foots Javail and Dwight
at all in Houston series and then we're playing against
the Yoki. So it was like being able to be
in that locker room, being able to be in those
meetings while I was gone, I was still able to
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stay in tune and tact with the team and understand
and they knew when I came back to it was
up from there, because like I said, it was always
the greatest good of the team that we were always
striving to be.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Speaking of Javell in Dwight, they've been very outspoken about
that team being broken up too soon.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
What was your take on that.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Do you think the Lakers ultimately moved on too soon
or where y'all I could have done more? Or do
you think that's just what it was. That team was
gonna win the championship and it kind of capped there.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
Nah, I definitely don't think a cap there again, you know,
I mean, you win a championship, you feel like you
have the blueprint and you got to run it back
to see if anybody has figured out before you, did,
you know, crack the code. So I feel like we
were a really deep team like they we're able to
just we've been through seven game series, you know, we've
been battle testing, so you know, I think we already
hit the button next year and figure out how to
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win it again.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Like everybody's feeling good, bron still playing now.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
A was coming off one of the best season. Like
I said, that conference going back into the bubble, you
have the same type.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Of guys going to war with you.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
You know, it's just a psychological thing that you understand
versus a couple of guys ain't here and a.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Lot of teams.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
You know, that's what it comes to the front office
where they come to players like you feel like you
can't plug and play with certain guys. But that year,
nobody was breaking the bank, you know what I mean, Like,
I don't know what it was, but you know it
is maybe either there they got me another two years.
So hey, I wasn't even gonna play out of it.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
You mentioned Lebron still playing.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Just talk about you know, you play with him twice,
you know in your career, Like what has impressed you
the most about him?
Speaker 3 (34:11):
And especially with what he's doing now.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Man, I told you I've never seen nobody take care
of about it like him, rest and diet. I mean
the little cliche is things like all the things he does,
I mean, the way he lifts, the way he goes
at the weight room. Uh, he attacks the weight room,
you know, the way he taxes his own court off
the court, workouts like he's a professional. And again if
you put spend that type of money on your body
and you you know, and when no one's looking and
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no one's watching and you're still doing the right thing.
You know, you're able to stay and have a longevy
a career like it's having not dropping the four triple
dos in a row, sings like. I mean, obviously he's
argued the greatest player of all time. So for me,
I just seen it every day in this region, you
know what I mean. He was very disciplined, and he
goes over and beyond what you know, the average or
even some of the great NBA players have done that.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
I've seen not a that The skill, you know what
I mean, the knowledge you know, and and the know how,
you know what I mean, just makes him super upper echealon,
you know what I mean. It's that discipline that take
you to a whole other level.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
Because he's young guys coming in, more athletic, more explosive,
and he's still able to manipulate the game, get to
his spots, and I feel like he's smart. Everybody obviously
him and Steff doing the same thing, you know what
I mean. Draymond's doing the same thing.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
So the game comes and then I know, you probably
yourself on defense, you know what I mean, My boy Draymond,
I'm campaigning for him for defensive right, you don't let
everybody know that's my dog.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
I'm rocket with him.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Right.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
For your criteria of Defensive Player of the Year, what
would the main qualifications be to be considered for that accolade.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
I'm starting to like analytics, but I'm a I'm a
game watcher as well, you know, I mean, I'm a
field guy. So a lot of things coming to play obviously,
justtical categories. Bus miners on the floor, being able to
switch one through five, how you affect the ball, maybe
not even you know, being around the ball, he's still affecting.
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I mean, it's your communication. There's a lot of factors
for me. So there's not a lot of guys that.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Can do that. I mean, you got to be able
to play in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
Uh yeah, he's got to be able to have an
impact on the game without even scoring. And that's why
I think a guy like myself got like what Draymond does.
Put you up there for defense.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
Fens of the Year always argue about the m v P,
and the m v P is just an offensive category,
and Defensive Player of the Year never gets help with
the same weighted value as.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
An m v P.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
I wanted to get your take on that too.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
Ye that a lot of it's always it's always usually
big different protectors. But I mean there's so many different ways.
And it's not just because how many times are you
giving up points when you gambling?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (37:03):
So it's just like skills can be. You can be
on the worst team in the league, the league team
and steels you make all first team all defense, but
you probably get the probably give to lead the league
and back doors or gamble points going off a gamble.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
So it just depends on how you look at it,
you know, I mean, I don't. It's a different factor
for me.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
You know, speaking of you playing with the Celtics playing
with the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
One part of.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Your career that I'm even I'm extremely interested in hearing about.
It's your years with the Pelicans or a year with
the Pelicans where you have a d playing at m
VP level. You had the markets playing at top five
MVP level that shot you. You you Drew, y'all got
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Drew right.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
We had Drew playing right.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
You getting twenty assists, some nice twenty two assists, twenty
four assists and why should you do that?
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Let me tell you?
Speaker 6 (38:00):
After that team though, and of course y'all knocked us off.
But that the beginning of that year. Alvin Gentry was
the coach, Chris Finn was the office coordinator. And at
first it didn't work. Mecuz drew eighty on the court
didn't work. I needed a ball, They needed a ball
in a certain sense.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
So I was.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
I was on the bench for a while, and then
once Cuz got hurt, that's when I got inserted. But
before then, what I loved doing my job was I
wasn't playing. So I say, okay, cool, I had Cuss eighty,
which is two guys I love playing with. Like I said,
I was giving everything that I got called down to
me from all the great vests part sports. Then I
had one of my favorite teams all the time, j.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
You Holley on the court.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
So I was said, okay, I took a back seat,
roll like, let me try to coach this. So instead
of Cuz in eighty, because at first they both trying
to score fifty, I'm like, Cuz, nip late the game
by scoring twenty five.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Let eighty get the fifty.
Speaker 6 (38:51):
You go for twenty twenty and twenty you know what
I mean, Like go crazy to a different way both
y'all getting fifty won't allow us to win games because
now y'all fight, you could come to the facilitator.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Now, he used to run the delay. He's running stuff
out of elbow. Action making, playmaking, that's what he was.
That's what he was really good at. That particular.
Speaker 6 (39:08):
He's gonna have a big slowgout and a he's gonna
have the agile wings. So it's like then he had
Drew Hardy. So them learning how to play three men
together manipulated the game and we was on a roll.
He got hurt towards towards Achilles, and that's when I
got inserted.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
I was like, okay, cool with my weapons.
Speaker 6 (39:24):
So I took her of while I took you know,
heat of Nico meritage e Troemore.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
You know, I mean, guys made me better than shot makers.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
A d love threat Drew Halliday, the pistol action that
people run me and Drew used to kill that action.
The small small guy pick up step up. He man
were playing pick up the first couple of days and
in it was he stepped up. I'm like, what the
hell is this?
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I think he came. I forgot where he got it from.
But it was.
Speaker 6 (39:46):
It might have been y'all, but he got it and
perspected it. It was, I mean, and I was able
to I was able to hit that past eat. So
it was like the stuff like that. I said that
that team chemistry where he was able to go into
Portland with that mindset. You know, even before the playoffs started,
you and I like who you want? It was either
between Damon c j or James and Chris Paul and we,
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like I said, it was either way, Like we didn't
really care what the smoke was, but it was smoke
either way.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
We went.
Speaker 6 (40:11):
Then we went to Portland, took their business, and then
we ran into them boys and we just didn't having them. Man,
didn't having that?
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Yeah, the.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
Marcus out, it would have been different.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
I mean, I got I got no no, no, no, no,
y'all listen, I'm gonna tell you this, the true story.
Never told the story. So I'm trying to get the
first player of the game. I'm trying to get Ady
to bow. You trying to get him to bow.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
You set the drip didn't happen. Something happened. You ended
up bowing us, and I'm just like, fuck, they hit that.
That was the first tri it was on and like
I said this one and so whatever, But yeah, that was
I was trying to get him to get you from
the jump.
Speaker 6 (40:56):
But if I had, because when he would have sure
cod with really you know what I mean, that's that's
what I feel like. We might have got who's big
than y'all said trying. I'm trying to go through Katie.
I'm trying to go through everybody front line. Of course
they got to deal with the boys running around, But
we can get yall to him out of there, see
y'all anchor, that's for sure.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
You know it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
If a d would have did that, they probably would
have caught me so far off gone, like I wouldn't
have been expected.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Don't walk you up, He don't walk him up.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
I'm sitting here right.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Now trying to think how.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
I don't know how I would be.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
You would have got him back, you better, he might.
Speaker 6 (41:41):
He might might have stole off on him and now
you got three games and were on the next round.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Would have definitely.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Got him back.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
He would have slammed him something, he was like, probably
want reacted.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
Right in the movement. Who knows what I would I
don't know what I would man, thank you a do.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Y'all appreciate you, brother man. And you know, obviously your career,
we've talked about that. I think that's beautiful. But my nephew,
he's thirteen, TJ Walton, Trive traf son, he's fourteen now,
well he's about to turn fourteen a couple of days.
TJ and your son they right around the same age.
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So I followed the scene him like TJ been training
with me since he was like seven or eight years old.
Like okay, so I'm I'm well invested, like that's that's
my nephew. I'm like like Trave allows me to be
like a second father to him, Like that's not close
to me. And travel and Trave went overseas as soon
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as TJ was born. So when TJ was born and
he was like literally baby Trave's wife like if she
needed somebody to do something, TJ, I go, I'll do
teach like travels overseas, So our relationship is different. I
pay attention to the scene. Your young fella, he got
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some game. What is it like going through this journey
with him?
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Now?
Speaker 2 (43:13):
From your perspective of how you grew up, was just
going to the park going here, going in hooping and
now I always talk about nowadays your son is actually
the prototypical NBA player. It's an NBA player son. Or
like the days of a Rajon Rondo coming from Louisville
or Baron Davis coming from Inglewood or Draymond Green coming
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from Saginaw.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
Michigan, those days are over.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
That kid now who had a dream to make it out,
he's way too far behind because Rajon Rondo son has
been getting the training since he was eight years old,
seven years old.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
By his dad.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
He know what to do with the body, he know
what to do with the nutrition. So the kid in
the hood at Saginaw or Louisville or they so far
behind now that they can't make it anymore.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
What do you make of just being on this journey
with him? What's it? What's it like training with him?
And just as you see it from your vantaged point.
Speaker 6 (44:13):
Down, see what I pride myself on even with my
foundation work, you know what I mean? Like I feel
like when I'm from the city, like we don't have
a lot of big time celebrities.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
We have a lot of famous people.
Speaker 6 (44:24):
So for me, my team, may you teams, I got
some of them kids, you know what I mean. So
I feel like I want kids my program to use
me as a resource to get to where they want
to be. I mean, it's being able to be exposed
to certain things. While I take them on trips, I
might take them in the locker room a couple years
of back into them, the downs may locker room, you know,
just the dream big and.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
My son has these has these things. So for me,
it's trying.
Speaker 6 (44:44):
It's hard to try to keep them humble and understand,
like you know, what it takes to work and what
it takes to get to this level that isn't just
given to you bigger obstacles. And for him, like you said,
the way we grew up was different. I was able
to play basketball nine stopped up the right. He has
to pretty much schedule his workouts when he plays because
you can't just you know nowadays since COVID kids, you
can't go down.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
The street and play basketball.
Speaker 6 (45:04):
So you got to kind of organize for them to
play this random pick up and that's what we've done
the last couple of months. But again, like you said,
I've have resources to do that like other kids don't.
So the kids that aren't being able to play basketball
with just some random kids at that age. They don't
how do they get better or how they judge where
they're going to be. And then obviously it takes so
long to get to the goal. But with him, we
just worked.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Man. Like I said, I try to teach him that
different responsibilities, not on and off the court. He's a
great student, and I said, just you know value, I
understand and respect each opponent. You know, you got a
big targeting back. But what I love to do is
I love the targets. You know.
Speaker 6 (45:38):
I went by gun for the targets. And again people's
on the gun for him. But you put the work in,
you chank, you can't cheat the game. And he's learning that.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
He's young.
Speaker 6 (45:47):
I don't want him to said, he's playing football too,
you know what I mean. I wanted to play all
different sports because you don't. I don't want him to
burn out. And I thought, again, I was maybe fourteen fifteen.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
I thought I was going pro on football, and then
I switched over, had a relationship my high school basketball coach,
and then I started love love for that, and then
that's why I went that.
Speaker 6 (46:04):
So he's pretty good on a couple different sports. So
I don't want to box himself end. But if you
want to play basketball, cool. I wasn't even learning to
man's just money, that's it.
Speaker 5 (46:12):
My son ten and he played football. You know, I've
been trying to crack the cold with him, you know,
in basketball. But I think right now, you know, at
ten years old, he's like, all right, football is my thing,
and I'm just trying to like, hey, bro, all the.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Great football players play basketball, right Like as.
Speaker 5 (46:30):
A dad, you know, uh, the pushback earlier, like how
do you you know, like, how do you set them
up for.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
For that structure for basketball? You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (46:42):
I feel like football easy because he just throw them
out there. They're gonna figure it out. But basketball is different,
you know.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Man, it's definitely different.
Speaker 6 (46:50):
Timbler just kind of just watching the games with him,
seeming we like, you never I never forced him. He
started off swimming, you know, he did piano, so just
giving him different things and did tennis, so we kind
of just you know, you know, thank god we have
these resources that I was able to expose him to
different things and he wanted to possibly play and obviously
come to the games with me being in the bubble
that kind of just persuade them to kind of like, okay,
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getting the hangout in locker room and see Lebron, you know,
talk to certain guys from the game.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
So I feel like he just kind of naturally fell
in love with it.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Yeah he's nice though.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Yeah, man, we got we got so he got.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Right.
Speaker 5 (47:25):
Junior is nice. Mante Ellens Jr. Is nice too, all
the juniors, junior juniors.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
The next up. That's the next up.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Man, It's very Do you ever as someone with it
with a junior? I go back and forth sometimes like
man ship, I love that he's DJ, like I love
like and you know that he go by DJ, don't
really go by Draymond, right, But I love that he's
a junior. But sometimes I go back and forth like, damn,
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did I do him with this service? Do you ever
have those up to like, man, my son of junior?
Speaker 1 (48:03):
I do I do from time to time. I I
love it. I wouldn't change it. But we call him Pierre.
Speaker 6 (48:08):
You know, he kind of you know, he wants to
have his own identity, which I completely understand. He goes
that Peel Pierre, so you know, I let him, you know,
do his own thing. I just I just let him
get an Instagram, so I let him pick his own name.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
Let's put you on there.
Speaker 4 (48:25):
So what's his name?
Speaker 1 (48:28):
It's still I give it. I can't give it out yet, perfect.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
Yeah, don't give it out off. Don't give it out off.
Speaker 6 (48:40):
He flooded, trying to flood man, trying to flood. No,
soon soon though, soon we gonna flood it. But yes,
I ain't got much left. But I must mention something,
something I heard over the summer. You know, I got
bit married in August fourteen, two thousand.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
I know you. I know you just got congratulations. Shout
off to Diane Valentine.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Shout out to miss Valentine.
Speaker 6 (49:09):
Yes, do it, I tell you, listen here, Thank you Valentine, y'all.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
And then we went. You know, we had to stay
without you know, so she.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
Told me, she said, Draymond.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
By the way I saw her, I was after private
suite about to fly to l A.
Speaker 4 (49:28):
I saw her.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Landing back a week after your wedding, and she like,
we just got back. I was like, y'all just got back.
I saw everybody over at the wedding week ago. She like, yeah, Raymond,
like you gotta close this stuff out. You gotta do this,
you gotta do that. She was like, but I'm gonna
tell you, Draymon ray John made sure y'all didn't out
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do that.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Nah. She she's still send to me. I said, lady, yeah,
it was we had the time. We had a mother
in time. Yo, I'm already knowing.
Speaker 4 (50:08):
I saw videos from y'all wedding, which was like.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
Yo, that way that looked lint and y'all sat the
tone though, I was.
Speaker 6 (50:18):
I was like, oh that listen, she's amazing ya you know,
an amazing woman.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
A couple of my teammates and be like, who did is?
I'm like, all right now.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
The crazy thing is, though she's so great I managing
the budget.
Speaker 4 (50:37):
Who killed me was my wife?
Speaker 1 (50:40):
That part that like Diana, she.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
Keep coming back to me looking like like she keep
coming back to me with this look on her face.
Speaker 4 (50:50):
Like and she keep coming back with this look.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
And the whole time is hazel and hazes she killing
me and Diane she she like Draymond. I know I
told you the bunchet is, but I know you said
the bunch of this this and we said we work
in it. But she wanted to do this and she wanted,
but the things were so great, Bro, I couldn't say no.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
You say no one time?
Speaker 4 (51:15):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (51:16):
I ain't never doing ever like my wife. I mean
they they like this. It's like great mental for like
I said, she's been there, done it all like great
lady Great. I mean she she's a Marcia Great.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
Hey, fellas, listen, if you'all out there getting married, I
know something of y'all are.
Speaker 4 (51:36):
If you want to.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
See this video, if you want to see the video
or some pictures of a wedding, we got two of
them for y'all to.
Speaker 1 (51:43):
See what we vouch you.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
And I've been to some weddings that are with some
of the highest name uh wedding planners, and man, the
weddings look like nothing right and they're not that.
Speaker 3 (51:59):
Fun taste, Bro, you gotta taste.
Speaker 6 (52:02):
So I'm telling y'all young fellas Netflix, Man, it was right.
Speaker 5 (52:11):
And looking back on it, yeah, a movie.
Speaker 4 (52:17):
I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
If you want to have a good time and a
great looking weather and the memory for a lifetime, if
you want your stuff to be playing and bleep, they don't.
Speaker 4 (52:26):
Mess with Diana.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Because your stuff gonna look right, it's gonna feel right.
Speaker 4 (52:31):
It's gonna be right. If you out there just looking
for the big name, go.
Speaker 5 (52:37):
Stop hanging with Rinch people because their food be nasty.
That's why I have to cut my Rinch friends off.
That food be nasty as hell, right though you already
like so olives and ship man, give me some food, Homer.
Speaker 4 (53:01):
Hey, I got one more before we get out of here.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
When you look at the game of where it is
now and like, you know, the trend of where it's
going as opposed to where it was when you first
came in and say your first five to seven years
in the league, the overall IQ of basketball, do you
see the IQ back then being higher or the IQ
where it.
Speaker 4 (53:20):
Is today with gods today being hired.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
That's a great question. You know, you you're still in it.
You know, I've been out three years.
Speaker 6 (53:29):
But you know it hasn't been too long. But at
the same time, I feel like maybe guys back then,
uh yeah, focused more, I guess, you know, a lot
more distractions now off the court, you know, social media,
Like you know, back then it wasn't we didn't have
social media, so we're kind of pretty much more locked
in the sense. So even like I said, certain teams
(53:50):
for me, like after we lost or not we lost,
but we went with the Celtics. After every game we
be in the training room would be you know, Ray,
the Big Three, myself and a couple of guys, always
talking game plan, strategy and how we lost, why we lost,
while we won, why we want I mean type of
vice versa. So that was just kind of the thing
like and get carried over like a lot of different
teams I played for, but that was the one that
(54:10):
stood out the most, like we were always intact and
we were always communicating and figuring out right away.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
How we could have made a justice throughout the game.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
Yeah, do you think that that is all a byproduct
of how many adults was in the room then and
how many young guys Like there's no vets.
Speaker 6 (54:26):
Now you know that's what it is. And then it
was important point in my career. I think maybe you're
like maybe twelve or ten eleven for me and all
if all my homes were gone, it was like down
the lead, I want the vests no more, like I said,
they don't. They don't appreciate, you know, them teaching me
how to be a man, how to do you know
had a conductment's own off the court, not this to
be yes man.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
So for me, that was a big wing up call
for me, like they ain't playing.
Speaker 6 (54:49):
With y'all y'all old fellas because they they try to
get you outed so they can have people. To me,
I thought they could control or people that communicate more
to just say yes everything they tell them what to
do versus how to brow what the what to do
the right things and win to insert this, so when
to ask questions.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
So it was just, uh, you know, my difference.
Speaker 6 (55:05):
Of opinion and thinking that that wasn't you know, the
idea they should have kept me in the locker room.
Speaker 4 (55:09):
Man.
Speaker 5 (55:09):
I felt like they they pushed the vets out for
younger coaches that was the same age, thinking that they
can do the same thing. But it's just a difference
and a level of respect. When somebody get out there
and can really get down. People see you play in
the finals, people see you playing the playoffs. You got legacy,
(55:31):
and so when you replace that with coaching, you know
what I mean, you don't get the sauces, you don't
get the ism, and you don't get the growth.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (55:40):
Let me on my thing, not to cut you off
but that's what to me, like I speak for. It's
what Sam Pacelle came in for, you know what I mean,
like he was playing t Lou came in like those
guys are the bridge connected. Is the guy that would
ever teach me? Okay, this is cool to think, cool
to kind of what I told you you did for me.
So like those point guards to step on Maberry's like
they brought those bets in for me to show me
the ropes and I took it, like I said, a
(56:01):
lot of from everybody, and they was in my I
mean they were giving me the game. Let me get
all of them about with all my teammates and I said,
Eddie House posy.
Speaker 1 (56:11):
I mean, I just I got all the game and
I just try to soak it up.
Speaker 4 (56:14):
That's what's up, Many, That's that's.
Speaker 5 (56:16):
A shout out to you, man, Hall of Famer. Point
You wanted the realists. You wanted the realists to do it.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
Man, I'm gonna be out l a song, get on
the show, live with it.
Speaker 4 (56:27):
Man, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (56:28):
That's love man, Basketball savant champions, much love respect man.
Speaker 4 (56:36):
Appreciate you brother, Stay healthy, my dog, Yes, sir, thank you, Bro.
Speaker 3 (56:40):
I got.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
I'm almost done.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
Was a player, bro already Bro, I got you go take.
Speaker 3 (56:51):
Dark Job too.
Speaker 6 (56:55):
I'm getting the game from man, my guy.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
The volume
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