In this solo Fan Q&A episode of The Draymond Green Show with Baron Davis, Draymond breaks down the difference between winning and losing in the NBA Finals and shares his thoughts on what the New York Knicks need to do to take the next step toward a championship. He dives into which team has the best defense in the Oklahoma City Thunder vs. Indiana Pacers Finals matchup, whether OKC is truly ready to win it all, and ranks his Top 5 defenders of all time. Draymond also discusses how he defends taller, more athletic players, why he thinks the NBA season should be shorter, and what changes he’d make to the playoff format. He talks about the need for consistent standards across NBA arenas, names the Top 5 players without a ring, and reflects on how many teams are really trying to win a title. Plus, he shares insights on mental toughness, lessons from injuries, and his favorite basketball moment from college and the NBA.
3:00 - Knicks' future after losing in Conference Finals
12:00 - Better defense: Thunder or Pacers?
17:15 - Dray's top 5 NBA defenders
25:30 - Guarding mismatches
28:00 - What NBA rule would you change?
35:00 - Top 5 players without a ring
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What's Up, everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond
Green Show with Baron Davis. D D will unfortunately not
be here today. He's out sick, so I decided to
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hop on. Still need to get our fans the content.
We need to give you some opinions, So instead of
doing like a preview because BD can't be here, I'm
just gonna hop on answer some fan questions, and then
b D and I will go live after Game one
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of the NBA Finals, also creating a fresh episode breaking
down in the finals matchup, but also everything else going
around the soap opera, I mean going on around the NBA.
So make sure y'all lock in for that. But I'll
get right into these questions. Number one comes from Zen Lollipop.
(01:12):
L He said, I think last year, when you were
talking to a Knicks fan podcast host, you argue that
the Knicks more or less overachieved and going to the
second round, Lady, you maintained that the Michael Bridges trade
would not get them to the finals. Presumably you saw
them eventually fall into the Celtics, but they actually ended
up eliminating in the Celtics and falling too the Pacers
(01:34):
again given how everything ended up shaking out, do you
still feel vindicated in your initial prediction and with the
extra information from this season's stats and results, where do
you project the Knicks going forward? But Number one, I
don't feel vindicated about a prediction because it's just a prediction.
It's just an opinion. So no, I don't my basketball. Now.
(01:59):
I know a lot of people out there talk about
the game these days, and they do it in quite
a way that's not indicative of true knowledge of the game.
(02:20):
Or they say hot things or boat takes because they
need like people to look because what they're saying is
like doesn't have much fabric to it to its core,
just not much fabric to some of these basketball predictions
and analysis. So I said all of that to say,
I think people like live and die on like, oh man,
(02:44):
like my prediction. It's a prediction for a reason, But
then you actually have to go play the game. So
those things actually don't really matter. And saying that, I
think for my and just looking at I said that
that move doesn't get you to the NBA Finals, and
(03:07):
it did it even in beating the Boston Celtics, who
everyone thought would be the team. That's coming out of
the East. You still didn't get to the NBA Finals.
So but there's reasons for that, right, Like you trade
for Mikeel Brizards, you give up a lot that you
don't quite have the depth. Now there's something that say
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teams may not use the depth, but whether use it
or not, they didn't quite have the depth that you
need to compete at that level get to the NBA Finals.
Winning the NBA Championship, I think one of the things
that ultimately hurt them when you look at the series
that they didn't lose against the Pacers, one of the
(03:51):
things that ultimately hurt them was that they didn't have
a depth when when kat will get in foul trouble
or Jaylen Brunts will get in foul trouble. They went
on runs at some of those points, for sure, but
ultimately you do need your best players on the floor.
If your best players aren't best on the floor together,
then that's an issue and it's going to be hard
to get to the NBA Finals anyway. So didn't quite
(04:18):
happen with them falling to the Celtics for multiple reasons,
not going to even get into those those multiple reasons,
but nonetheless no, they did not make it to the
NBA Finals, and quite if you want me to be
quite honest with you, I personally think making it to
the NBA Finals is one of the worst seasons you
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can have, and the reason being because if you don't
win the NBA Finals, you're kind of like going to
the NBA Finals and winning an NBA championship. Those two
things are so far apart, Like you can get to
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the NBA Finals and not be close to winning an
NBA championship. And I know that may sound hard for
people to leave, but those that have won championships would
definitely understand what I'm saying, and those that have been
there and didn't quite win would definitely understand what I'm saying.
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It's those two things are so drastically far apart, like
making it to a conference finals, like you're so far
away from winning a championship, and it looks like it's
close because you're one series away. The NBA Finals look
like you close because you lost in the actual NBA Finals.
But the difference in between winning and lose it and
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losing the NBA Finals for a lot of teams, every
now and then you have that twenty sixteen Warriors versus
Cavs Game seven down to the wire. It takes Kyrie
irv and they had a crazy shot. Take to get
a crazy block. Every now and then you have that
(06:03):
and like you're right there. But like sometimes you see
teams like losing an NBA Finals for the two like
they the record is self doesn't tell the answer. But
they could have won two games in the NFA Finals
and really not been close to winning an NBA championship.
That's how hard it is to win four games in
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an NBA champion in an NBA Finals. Even if the
Knicks made it to the NBA Finals and didn't win it,
that's not some accomplishment to me, Like, you get nothing
from making the NBA finals. This set a couple of
ten thousand more dollars than the conference final loser, than
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what you would have got for making the conference finals,
and you get another three weeks shorter summer of the
conference final loser. And if you're of and if you're not,
if you've you know, compared to a team that played
in or didn't make the playoffs, you're an entire nine
(07:17):
weeks off your summer. And for a team that made
the second round, or you know, made it to the
first round, you're probably seven weeks. The numbers are what
they are, they're not exact point being you walk with
nothing like the team go on and celebrate and have
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this incredible summer, and like you're kind of left stuck
there trying to figure out, like, where were you really close?
Do we need to run it back with this team?
What's the tweak we need to make because we were
right there or we weren't really right there. Only some
gms are smart enough to figure out like, yeah we
were there, but we really weren't there, like the CLO.
(08:02):
But you're kind of left in this position of like, ah,
maybe we're one tweak away, but what you should understand
about this thing? One tweet could actually like it's like
jinga sometimes like one tweak of a roster could make
the whole thing fall. So it's not just always like
it's not like a simple fix, but you may think
it is. And while you think it is, and you
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were made it to the NBA Finals and lost, there
are other teams that like felt like they needed to
a make a big change or two or three and
like are coming for you, and you're kind of left
in the same spot thinking you close and you may
not be that close, or that one tweet could like
really put you far further away than you were. So
(08:45):
it's not like, oh, you just do it again, or
you had some like huge level of success. Like, yeah,
making it to the finals is great, but if you
don't win it, it's almost worse, like you might as
well have lost in the first round. So that's kind
of how I feel about that. And as far as
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the Knicks going forward, yeah, I think going forward, in
order to win, it ain't there yet. I just don't
foresee it. I think in order to win, the Knicks
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need to bring in a great player. I can't talk
specific names because I'm not gonna give my money away
for that. But if the Knicks want if the Knicks
want to win, to compete for a championship, I think
they need a great player and I'll just leave it
at that. So what does that look like going for
(09:48):
you decide, But if you're talking about championships, I'm just
going to tell you, as a champion and I know
exactly what it looked like, they need a great player
to come on that roster. They need to add a
great player to that roster. How do you do that?
That ain't for me to get into, but they need
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to add a great player if you think they're going
to compete for an actual NBA championship. John emailed the
question in who has the best defense in the finals
and why? I think that's an easy answer. The best
defense in the finals, I think is the no question.
Oklahoma City Thunder. I think a they have multiple incredible
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individual defenders. They're very well coached, which makes the team
defense great. But they have multiple incredible individual defenders. Like
when you think about Tyrese Halliburton, he could face Loudor
he could face Adams Caruso, he could face Caseon Wallace,
he could face j Dunn, who's an All defensive team member.
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That's a lot of guys to be able to throw
out one guy. They have that, and like I said,
they're well coached and they load up boxes and elbows,
they swarm to the ball. I think, so that goes
without saying. I think where Indiana could cause them trouble
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is if the offense isn't clicking. Because I don't think
okayc run like a super complicated offense. So if the
offense isn't clicking and Indiana's getting off to the races.
I don't know that oka Se transition offense is that defense.
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Transition defense is that great, and that's where Indiana could
cause them some issues if the transition defense isn't I
don't think their transition defense isn't that great. Great, But
who has the best defense? They have to be defense
by Launch in his NBA Finals in the NBA they
have the best defense at baller twenty two to twenty three.
(12:09):
You talked about Okay see seriousness earlier in the season.
Now that they're in the finals, when did you notice
they flipped the switch? I think as the season went on,
you saw the interviews change, like the messaging in the
interviews changed. But in saying that, I do think they
still go about their business the same way. Like it's
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not like, oh man, they made some huge change. Like
they go about their business, how they go about their business.
What works for you works for you. I personally still
think it'd be incredible to see Shae in interviews by himself.
I think it'll still do more for Chay's brand to
see Shape in interviews by himself. But what works for you,
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the demeanor of your team works for you. When we
were win a championships. If you came into one our practice,
the beginning of practice to like a circus. You got
Steff throwing four course shots from one end, another guy
throwing football passes to the complete opposite Kitty cornered across
two courts to the opposite end of the floor, guys
(13:16):
kicking balls from half court, kicking the ball trying to
make it into the rim. If you came into those
practices like you looking, you'd be like, there's no chance
that's a championship team. Look how they look. Once we
get our business going, we locked in. But then you
might like, we's had this little bench or not bench.
It was kind of a table like a training table
on the side of the court. We could go sit
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over there on the training table during practice. If you
went on the court, they moved the training table one day,
like one like one year or one day we came
in to practice and the training table was gone. You
would have thought, like, whatever, the wildest thing you can
think of happened. You would have thought that happened. Everybody
in there going crazy like yo, where the tables at
(14:01):
the next day to the table was back like it
almost come off as a joke, Like I said, well,
we're about our business. We're about our business, and we're
locked in and we dialed in, we're getting our work done.
But anything outside that music blast like it's joke. And
so I said all that to say, what works for
you works for you. There are some things that they
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do that I don't like that as the as the
leader of a team at this point in my career,
I don't think i'd want our team doing that. But
I also don't know the culture of that locker room,
you know, I also don't know their culture, and so
what works for you works for you, and you got
to go with that. I do think they have a
grey young leader in Shae who has built the culture.
(14:44):
Like Shae has taken part in building that culture back there.
Obviously Sam Presty, they got a great culture, but Shae
has built that culture there from the beginning. Him and
Ludor they've built that culture. And so as the guys
who who built that culture, you know how to lead it.
And I respect Shae, especially as a leader. Lou Dorton
(15:06):
and how you go about his business, but Shae is
the clear cut leader and I respect him as a leader.
He's doing a great job, and so there are still
some things that I see that I'm like, ah, but
what works for you works for you, and nobody can
argue what works for them is working for them. Moving
on to the next question number four at Unbiased Dubs Fan,
(15:27):
in your personal opinion, who are the top five Defenders
of all time in order? And where are you on
that list? What you should understand by me is I
think I'm number one on that list. However, I think
top five to go in order. I'm really not a
fan of those, But who I would regard as my
(15:48):
top five defenders of all time? I definitely put myself
in that list. Ben Wallace's on that list in my opinion.
On that list, Tim Duncan is on that list, and
the last one on that list. Also understand like, I'm
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not including Will, I'm not including Bill Russell. I didn't
see them play. I have the utmost respect for those guys,
the pioneers, the utmost respect. But I'd be lying to
you if I'm like Bill Russell, Will Chamberlain, like, I'm
just going off stacks, And I don't love when people
(16:32):
do that, because there's an eye test and I haven't
seen enough of their games to say that, So understand
I'm not excluding them. I was born in nineteen ninety
and that's my only reason for not including them. But
I'm not excluding them or you know, saying they're not it.
They very much so could be that's a little before
(16:55):
my time. I you know, I've seen some of their
games and watched stuff here, but to say top five
of all time, like you have to see more games
than I've seen theirs. And so I'm not going to
be a hypocrite and be like, oh, those guys like
that will be fake of me. So understand that and
saying all of that, and my fifth would go to, well,
(17:18):
I actually did have the opportunity to see very young
in my life, but more film around him. How came
a Lodger one that would be my top five. So
my top five in no particular order, myself, Tim Duncan,
Ben Wallace, I came, and TONI All.
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Speaker 1 (19:35):
Number five at Asian Sensation thirty two eighty six. How
do you manage to defend players who are either more
athletic or have a height advantage over you. It's amazing
at your height that you can defend all positions effectively.
I think more athletic guys who are more athletic than me,
like you can have athleticism, but the game is all
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about angles, and so where you can beat me in athleticism,
I can I understand angles and I can make up
in angles. In physicality, athleticism can only be used and
taken advantage of with space. If you close distance, close
space it's harder for that athleticism to be used to
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their advantage, you know. So those are a couple of
the things that I try to do. As far as
people will hype. My grandma used to have a stand,
the bigger they are, the harder they fall. No, it's
not necessarily that, but when I see a guy that's had,
you know, has me in height. There's also a disadvantage
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to have a height. Most bigger guys can't get low.
And there's this old saying low man wins. When I
play football growing up, they will always say low man wins.
And so for me, I'm always looking to get lower
than the guys who taller than me because now I
have leverage, which can then persuade you to get into
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your spot. And if you can stop somebody by even
an ish, from getting to the spot that they want to,
that changes the shot. And ultimately, if I can be lord,
then you I can stop you from getting to the
exact spot you want to get to to take the
shot that you want to take. That possession goes in
my favorite Whether you make a miss the shot, you
can still make a mister shot. But I'm going to
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make the bet that over the course of time, over
the course of a forty eight minute game, per se,
if I make you take the shot that I want
more often than you give the opportunity to take the
shot that you want to take, I'm gonna win. Over
the course of forty eight you take twenty shots, and
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I can make you take thirteen of them. You didn't
really want to take those, as opposed to you being
seven for thirteen. Maybe you're four for thirteen and vanish me.
You know what. So that's kind of how I like
to approach it. I always think low man wins, and
I try to make sure I'm lower than those guys
and then use my ankles. Question six at Q will five,
(22:10):
If you could add or change the rule in the NBA,
what would it be and why? I don't know that
it's necessarily a rule that I care most about. I
was shortened the season. I just think it's too many
games and at the speed that the game is played
at today. I know people always talk about, oh man,
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guys always did that them guys like no disrespect to
the guys that came before me, but they used to
walk the ball up the court. Like the speed that
the game has played at today. The amount of ground
that's being covered today as opposed to before in the
NBA sdrastic, and so I think I just think the
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seasons is a little long, and you don't always end
up seeing the best of the best from the best,
So if that's necessarily a rule, but I do think
it's a problem. Why no'bron talked about a month there
being a month off before the playoffs. I don't know
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that that's possible. A you kind of get a you know,
guys could get a bit out of shape, and it
could have adverse an adverse effect, you know, guys getting
back in all of a sudden, you pull something that's
been a month. So I don't know if it's necessary,
if a month is the right answer. But two weeks
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ain't no basketball, ain't no NBA player getting out of
shape in two weeks, But you do. You can't get
a lot healthier in two weeks. You know, you look
at that Steph Curry pulling a hamstring, and and and
to your point, Aaron Gordon saying two days in between games,
I agree, you look at because here's the thing. If
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you end up with a series like Houston and it's
a day in between games. That's a four hour flight,
four and a half hour flight from San Francisco to
Houston on the day in between the game. That's your resident.
So by the time you land in Houston, it's eight
o'clock at night. If you just try to get the
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guys a little sleep and not leave at ten or
leave at twelve, all of a sudden, you getting into Houston.
By the time you make it to the hotel, it's dark,
eight o'clock at night. You're trying to get dinner, and
everything is quick, like you're getting ready for band. So
the recovery process ain't great. Is it about bunching in
games or is it about the best man winning, the
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best team winning, putting your best product out there on
the floor for the fans. And I think that's where
you run into the issue, And so I agree with AG. Like,
there's two games we played Boston in the NBA Final,
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Robert Williams was dealing with a knee injury. When he
was out in the court, they were really good when
we had a day in between games. Brother man could
not move. That second game when there was two days
in between games, Oh man, that game he played after
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them two days with stellar That could possibly change the
outcome of the series. I still think we beat them,
but that could change something. Well, there's one day. Does
it help absolutely?
Speaker 2 (25:45):
So?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
As I said, not quite a rule change, maybe a
concept change or but if you want the best, I
think that needs to change. Another rule that I would
talk about that also, it's not really a rude and
fans wouldn't understand, is a couple of things. There should
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be a standard when you go to these arenas, in
these visiting locker rooms, when you're accustomed to a certain
level of things. It's a certain thing for recovery, cold
to hot tub souna. When you have a routine that
you do for recovery and then you go on to
roll for two weeks and you can't hit that because
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of the seven games that you play, one team you
had access to a cold to one team you had
access to a sauna. It doesn't allow the product to
be as great as it can possibly be. So in turn,
it affects the fans. Right, it's something that fans don't see,
but I'm telling you it's something that affects fans because
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you're not getting the best product. Another standard that should
be that ultimately help players, which helps fans. You go
to some of these arenas, some of the chairs are
low as hell. You sit, you're like hips are the
chairs on a bench amongst across the NBA should be
standards should have to be a certain height hip position.
(27:18):
It makes all the difference from him. But guess what
else that affects. It affects backs, which ultimately can affect casts,
which utimately play effect. Hamstrings can affect achilles, It can
affect nees. Right, like all the stuff is a trickle
down effect. There should be a certain standard for stuff
like that, because again, those things allow for the product
(27:40):
to stay in the best possible shape as it can
stay for the fan that paid their hard earned money.
There's no standard. So from arena arena, locker room shit benches,
low as hell, trash. I think those things need to
be changed. It's twenty twenty five. You mean to tell
me there's not a standard. Hey, ownership, You've made all
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this money. There's a certain standard that your visiting locker
room should be. It should have these things. It don't
have to be the most expensive world pool, hot tub,
cold tup, Ryan Smith Utah out of Kota, Hota. It
don't look like it's something that is crazy expensive, but
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it makes a difference. Go State Warriors, I think they
got a very expensive one, a whole situation going over
there in the visitor's locker room. But it don't have
to be expensive. It's just the access which ultimately gives
the players better recovery, which allows the players to be
out there on the floor more, which is the big
gripe around the NBA. Huh So how about you start
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correcting these things that can help correct the issue, because
guess what, I don't think the amount of games is changing,
So what can you change? You can change those things.
Those are the rule changes, if you might ask that
I think need to happen because it affects the overall product.
At love the game twenty Who are the top five
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players in the NBA without a ring? You gotta go
talk to somebody else without a ring. I don't have
without ring talks. I'll take that a step further. There
are some guys that have rings because you need luck,
like and they just didn't catch the break. You need
luck on your side. The wear rings health right like.
(29:30):
It ain't always apples to apples and just because you
don't have a ring doesn't necessarily make you not a winner,
because I see people throw that type of salt all
the time, like Chris Paul not a winner. Chris Paul
is a winner, hasn't had the luxury of winning the ring,
but due the winner, no question, is a winner. It's
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been proven, you know. So I don't. I don't get
off into all of that. It's very hard to do,
don't get me wrong, Like there's a certain respect that
comes with doing it as it should. But I'm not.
I'm not the one tall that ain't me or like that.
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At and moving on at math bell K five, can
you talk more about players slash teams that actually want
to win a championship versus players slash teams who are
not really in it to win a championship? Absolutely, you
figure on a giving year in the NBA, there's maybe
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if you're lucky for the five teams really trying to
win a championship, like doing all that they can. The
only thing matters the most of the first, second, and
third most important things is winning a championship. You got
really three to five teams a year that that's really
the case. Everybody say they trying to win a championship.
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All the players are going to be like, oh, yeah,
you know we fighting start to see, well, we just
want to, you know, prepare to try to win a
champion know you not, because winning a championship don't happen
on your terms. So you see these teams and these
players like, oh, win a championship don't happen on your terms.
Winning a championship happens on the terms that need to
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be met to win a championship. And everybody ain't willing
to sacrifice for that, not organizationally, not from a player perspective.
They wanted to look a certain way, I want to
win a championship, but that don't work. But don't work.
That little butt will kill your chances. And that's most people,
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that's most organizations. So anytime you hear people saying, we
want to win a championship, but axit, that's it. They
don't really want to win. And there's a lot of
that around the NBA. There's far more of that than
people who actually want to win a championship. So yeah, no,
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they're all in your face every day, all day at
Dean Chambers eighty six thirteen, How do you work on
mental toughness as a young team, and keep up the
hunger to win as an older team. I think keeping
up the hunger to win as an older team. Like
you you've experienced success and you want that, you know,
like if you're a winner, you just don't you just
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don't stop and be like, all right, that gene is
gone now, like I don't care to win anymore. No,
you always want to win. That's the type of person.
That's that's how you keep that up. It's the type
of people you have as far as a younger team
mental toughness. You got to go through it, and you
got to be willing to go through it, and you
got to be willing to go through it with the
people you're going through with. And it's a certain way
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to go through it. When you lose, you lose a
certain way. You go back to what I was saying
about the Houston Rockets the last month ago. What now
when they lost, you lose a certain way you run on.
If the cord you duck your head, you ain't ready
to win because you ain't know how to lose. You
ain't ready to win. If you don't know how to lose,
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does not mean you have to lose in order to win.
But if you don't know how to lose, you ain't
ready to win. And so for a young team, you
gotta be willing to go through that. And when you
take them lumps, you gotta take them lumps. You don't
start pointing a finger. Only way the fingers should be
pointing is here, how can I help better this so
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that we can do this. That's how you build mental
toughness as a young team. You gotta go through it,
and you gotta stantento's and when you go through it,
you look. You stand as men or women depending on
the young team we're talking about, obviously we're talking NBA.
You stand, You take your lumps, you take it on
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the chain, You go back to the drawing board, You
work a little harder to try to do it again.
You know what that's you know what that look like,
you know what that felt like. You hold on to
that experience, Channel that experience, remember that experience and learn
from it. That's how you move forward. That's how a
young team gains mental toughness. You go through it, stay
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ten toes, don't start pointing a finger. Ah your homeboys
going on one of oh Man and stay nowad ain't
it was us. It was me. I did this because
that attitude carries into everything that you do and then
you can win. And that's how you build that mental
toughness as a young team at the AJA the AJA media.
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What lessons have you learned from setbacks or injuries? What
is your philosophy on building team chemistry and camaraderie. My
lessons from injuries that I've learned. I've been fortunate enough
to not have a ton of bad injuries. I think
my worst one I've had was my back injury. And
the lessons I've learned is just how lift weights, be strong,
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lift weights, how strongcore lift weights. They tell you it's
gonna mess up your jump shot. Go lift some more weights,
lift weights, lift properly lyft weights. That would be what
I learned from setbacks and injuries, team chemistry and camaraderie.
I gotta start at the top in order to build that,
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and must start at the top. But don't start at
the top. It can't start in the middle. That never works.
Can't be a couple here, a couple there. Must start
at the top and then trickle down to everyone. You
can start there. That's the beginning. Of the end. If
you cannot build team chemistry and camaraderie starting at the top,
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that is the beginning of the end and last, but
not least, at any underscore. What is your favorite moment
that you can remember in your career in the NBA
and college. NBA winning a championship, no question. College, I
would say my eye too, playing in the Final four
in Detroit. Just the whole lead up to that game
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of pep Riley like it was incredible playing in the
Final four in Detroit. We lost in the national championship game,
but that experience was one of my favorites in college.
My freshman year and then also my senior year playing
on an aircraft carrier in San Diego on the USS
Carl Vincent aircraft carrier where President Obama in attendance. It
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was like a dream come true. And it wasn't a
dream that I had because I didn't even know its possible.
We had the best a athletic director ever in Mark
Hollis who just created this thing out of the n
air and it was one of the most incredible evins.
It wasn't one of the best games to play in.
The win was a factor to Cory get a little slippery,
had those dcal slippery, but forget the game. We still
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had a great year and that was one of the
most incredible experiences. So I would say that one those
will be my couple from college. One A one B.
I love those. So yeah, appreciate y'all tuning in. Like
I said before, sorry BD couldn't be here. Hope my
dog feel better. If BD you hear this, you feel
better my dog. Thank you all. Remember b D and
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Finals with a new episode breaking down the Finals and
everything else going on around the league. Check that out.
Look forward to that. Until next time. That's a right peace.
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The volume
The volume. What's Up, everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond
Green Show with Baron Davis. D D will unfortunately not
be here today. He's out sick, so I decided to
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hop on. Still need to get our fans the content.
We need to give you some opinions, So instead of
doing like a preview because BD can't be here, I'm
just gonna hop on answer some fan questions, and then
b D and I will go live after Game one
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of the NBA Finals, also creating a fresh episode breaking
down in the finals matchup, but also everything else going
around the soap opera, I mean going on around the NBA.
So make sure y'all lock in for that. But I'll
get right into these questions. Number one comes from Zen Lollipop.
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L He said, I think last year, when you were
talking to a Knicks fan podcast host, you argue that
the Knicks more or less overachieved and going to the
second round, Lady, you maintained that the Michael Bridges trade
would not get them to the finals. Presumably you saw
them eventually fall into the Celtics, but they actually ended
up eliminating in the Celtics and falling too the Pacers
(01:34):
again given how everything ended up shaking out, do you
still feel vindicated in your initial prediction and with the
extra information from this season's stats and results, where do
you project the Knicks going forward? But Number one, I
don't feel vindicated about a prediction because it's just a prediction.
It's just an opinion. So no, I don't my basketball. Now.
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I know a lot of people out there talk about
the game these days, and they do it in quite
a way that's not indicative of true knowledge of the game.
(02:20):
Or they say hot things or boat takes because they
need like people to look because what they're saying is
like doesn't have much fabric to it to its core,
just not much fabric to some of these basketball predictions
and analysis. So I said all of that to say,
I think people like live and die on like, oh man,
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like my prediction. It's a prediction for a reason, But
then you actually have to go play the game. So
those things actually don't really matter. And saying that, I
think for my and just looking at I said that
that move doesn't get you to the NBA Finals, and
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it did it even in beating the Boston Celtics, who
everyone thought would be the team. That's coming out of
the East. You still didn't get to the NBA Finals.
So but there's reasons for that, right, Like you trade
for Mikeel Brizards, you give up a lot that you
don't quite have the depth. Now there's something that say
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teams may not use the depth, but whether use it
or not, they didn't quite have the depth that you
need to compete at that level get to the NBA Finals.
Winning the NBA Championship, I think one of the things
that ultimately hurt them when you look at the series
that they didn't lose against the Pacers, one of the
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things that ultimately hurt them was that they didn't have
a depth when when kat will get in foul trouble
or Jaylen Brunts will get in foul trouble. They went
on runs at some of those points, for sure, but
ultimately you do need your best players on the floor.
If your best players aren't best on the floor together,
then that's an issue and it's going to be hard
to get to the NBA Finals anyway. So didn't quite
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happen with them falling to the Celtics for multiple reasons,
not going to even get into those those multiple reasons,
but nonetheless no, they did not make it to the
NBA Finals, and quite if you want me to be
quite honest with you, I personally think making it to
the NBA Finals is one of the worst seasons you
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can have, and the reason being because if you don't
win the NBA Finals, you're kind of like going to
the NBA Finals and winning an NBA championship. Those two
things are so far apart, Like you can get to
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the NBA Finals and not be close to winning an
NBA championship. And I know that may sound hard for
people to leave, but those that have won championships would
definitely understand what I'm saying, and those that have been
there and didn't quite win would definitely understand what I'm saying.
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It's those two things are so drastically far apart, like
making it to a conference finals, like you're so far
away from winning a championship, and it looks like it's
close because you're one series away. The NBA Finals look
like you close because you lost in the actual NBA Finals.
But the difference in between winning and lose it and
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losing the NBA Finals for a lot of teams, every
now and then you have that twenty sixteen Warriors versus
Cavs Game seven down to the wire. It takes Kyrie
irv and they had a crazy shot. Take to get
a crazy block. Every now and then you have that
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and like you're right there. But like sometimes you see
teams like losing an NBA Finals for the two like
they the record is self doesn't tell the answer. But
they could have won two games in the NFA Finals
and really not been close to winning an NBA championship.
That's how hard it is to win four games in
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an NBA champion in an NBA Finals. Even if the
Knicks made it to the NBA Finals and didn't win it,
that's not some accomplishment to me, Like, you get nothing
from making the NBA finals. This set a couple of
ten thousand more dollars than the conference final loser, than
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what you would have got for making the conference finals,
and you get another three weeks shorter summer of the
conference final loser. And if you're of and if you're not,
if you've you know, compared to a team that played
in or didn't make the playoffs, you're an entire nine
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weeks off your summer. And for a team that made
the second round, or you know, made it to the
first round, you're probably seven weeks. The numbers are what
they are, they're not exact point being you walk with
nothing like the team go on and celebrate and have
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this incredible summer, and like you're kind of left stuck
there trying to figure out, like, where were you really close?
Do we need to run it back with this team?
What's the tweak we need to make because we were
right there or we weren't really right there. Only some
gms are smart enough to figure out like, yeah we
were there, but we really weren't there, like the CLO.
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But you're kind of left in this position of like, ah,
maybe we're one tweak away, but what you should understand
about this thing? One tweet could actually like it's like
jinga sometimes like one tweak of a roster could make
the whole thing fall. So it's not just always like
it's not like a simple fix, but you may think
it is. And while you think it is, and you
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were made it to the NBA Finals and lost, there
are other teams that like felt like they needed to
a make a big change or two or three and
like are coming for you, and you're kind of left
in the same spot thinking you close and you may
not be that close, or that one tweet could like
really put you far further away than you were. So
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it's not like, oh, you just do it again, or
you had some like huge level of success. Like, yeah,
making it to the finals is great, but if you
don't win it, it's almost worse, like you might as
well have lost in the first round. So that's kind
of how I feel about that. And as far as
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the Knicks going forward, yeah, I think going forward, in
order to win, it ain't there yet. I just don't
foresee it. I think in order to win, the Knicks
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need to bring in a great player. I can't talk
specific names because I'm not gonna give my money away
for that. But if the Knicks want if the Knicks
want to win, to compete for a championship, I think
they need a great player and I'll just leave it
at that. So what does that look like going for
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you decide, But if you're talking about championships, I'm just
going to tell you, as a champion and I know
exactly what it looked like, they need a great player
to come on that roster. They need to add a
great player to that roster. How do you do that?
That ain't for me to get into, but they need
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to add a great player if you think they're going
to compete for an actual NBA championship. John emailed the
question in who has the best defense in the finals
and why? I think that's an easy answer. The best
defense in the finals, I think is the no question.
Oklahoma City Thunder. I think a they have multiple incredible
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individual defenders. They're very well coached, which makes the team
defense great. But they have multiple incredible individual defenders. Like
when you think about Tyrese Halliburton, he could face Loudor
he could face Adams Caruso, he could face Caseon Wallace,
he could face j Dunn, who's an All defensive team member.
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That's a lot of guys to be able to throw
out one guy. They have that, and like I said,
they're well coached and they load up boxes and elbows,
they swarm to the ball. I think, so that goes
without saying. I think where Indiana could cause them trouble
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is if the offense isn't clicking. Because I don't think
okayc run like a super complicated offense. So if the
offense isn't clicking and Indiana's getting off to the races.
I don't know that oka Se transition offense is that defense.
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Transition defense is that great, and that's where Indiana could
cause them some issues if the transition defense isn't I
don't think their transition defense isn't that great. Great, But
who has the best defense? They have to be defense
by Launch in his NBA Finals in the NBA they
have the best defense at baller twenty two to twenty three.
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You talked about Okay see seriousness earlier in the season.
Now that they're in the finals, when did you notice
they flipped the switch? I think as the season went on,
you saw the interviews change, like the messaging in the
interviews changed. But in saying that, I do think they
still go about their business the same way. Like it's
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not like, oh man, they made some huge change. Like
they go about their business, how they go about their business.
What works for you works for you. I personally still
think it'd be incredible to see Shae in interviews by himself.
I think it'll still do more for Chay's brand to
see Shape in interviews by himself. But what works for you,
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the demeanor of your team works for you. When we
were win a championships. If you came into one our practice,
the beginning of practice to like a circus. You got
Steff throwing four course shots from one end, another guy
throwing football passes to the complete opposite Kitty cornered across
two courts to the opposite end of the floor, guys
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kicking balls from half court, kicking the ball trying to
make it into the rim. If you came into those
practices like you looking, you'd be like, there's no chance
that's a championship team. Look how they look. Once we
get our business going, we locked in. But then you
might like, we's had this little bench or not bench.
It was kind of a table like a training table
on the side of the court. We could go sit
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over there on the training table during practice. If you
went on the court, they moved the training table one day,
like one like one year or one day we came
in to practice and the training table was gone. You
would have thought, like, whatever, the wildest thing you can
think of happened. You would have thought that happened. Everybody
in there going crazy like yo, where the tables at
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the next day to the table was back like it
almost come off as a joke, Like I said, well,
we're about our business. We're about our business, and we're
locked in and we dialed in, we're getting our work done.
But anything outside that music blast like it's joke. And
so I said all that to say, what works for
you works for you. There are some things that they
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do that I don't like that as the as the
leader of a team at this point in my career,
I don't think i'd want our team doing that. But
I also don't know the culture of that locker room,
you know, I also don't know their culture, and so
what works for you works for you, and you got
to go with that. I do think they have a
grey young leader in Shae who has built the culture.
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Like Shae has taken part in building that culture back there.
Obviously Sam Presty, they got a great culture, but Shae
has built that culture there from the beginning. Him and
Ludor they've built that culture. And so as the guys
who who built that culture, you know how to lead it.
And I respect Shae, especially as a leader. Lou Dorton
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and how you go about his business, but Shae is
the clear cut leader and I respect him as a leader.
He's doing a great job, and so there are still
some things that I see that I'm like, ah, but
what works for you works for you, and nobody can
argue what works for them is working for them. Moving
on to the next question number four at Unbiased Dubs Fan,
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in your personal opinion, who are the top five Defenders
of all time in order? And where are you on
that list? What you should understand by me is I
think I'm number one on that list. However, I think
top five to go in order. I'm really not a
fan of those, But who I would regard as my
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top five defenders of all time? I definitely put myself
in that list. Ben Wallace's on that list in my opinion.
On that list, Tim Duncan is on that list, and
the last one on that list. Also understand like, I'm
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not including Will, I'm not including Bill Russell. I didn't
see them play. I have the utmost respect for those guys,
the pioneers, the utmost respect. But I'd be lying to
you if I'm like Bill Russell, Will Chamberlain, like, I'm
just going off stacks, And I don't love when people
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do that, because there's an eye test and I haven't
seen enough of their games to say that, So understand
I'm not excluding them. I was born in nineteen ninety
and that's my only reason for not including them. But
I'm not excluding them or you know, saying they're not it.
They very much so could be that's a little before
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my time. I you know, I've seen some of their
games and watched stuff here, but to say top five
of all time, like you have to see more games
than I've seen theirs. And so I'm not going to
be a hypocrite and be like, oh, those guys like
that will be fake of me. So understand that and
saying all of that, and my fifth would go to, well,
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I actually did have the opportunity to see very young
in my life, but more film around him. How came
a Lodger one that would be my top five. So
my top five in no particular order, myself, Tim Duncan,
Ben Wallace, I came, and TONI All.
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Number five at Asian Sensation thirty two eighty six. How
do you manage to defend players who are either more
athletic or have a height advantage over you. It's amazing
at your height that you can defend all positions effectively.
I think more athletic guys who are more athletic than me,
like you can have athleticism, but the game is all
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about angles, and so where you can beat me in athleticism,
I can I understand angles and I can make up
in angles. In physicality, athleticism can only be used and
taken advantage of with space. If you close distance, close
space it's harder for that athleticism to be used to
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their advantage, you know. So those are a couple of
the things that I try to do. As far as
people will hype. My grandma used to have a stand,
the bigger they are, the harder they fall. No, it's
not necessarily that, but when I see a guy that's had,
you know, has me in height. There's also a disadvantage
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to have a height. Most bigger guys can't get low.
And there's this old saying low man wins. When I
play football growing up, they will always say low man wins.
And so for me, I'm always looking to get lower
than the guys who taller than me because now I
have leverage, which can then persuade you to get into
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your spot. And if you can stop somebody by even
an ish, from getting to the spot that they want to,
that changes the shot. And ultimately, if I can be lord,
then you I can stop you from getting to the
exact spot you want to get to to take the
shot that you want to take. That possession goes in
my favorite Whether you make a miss the shot, you
can still make a mister shot. But I'm going to
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make the bet that over the course of time, over
the course of a forty eight minute game, per se,
if I make you take the shot that I want
more often than you give the opportunity to take the
shot that you want to take, I'm gonna win. Over
the course of forty eight you take twenty shots, and
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I can make you take thirteen of them. You didn't
really want to take those, as opposed to you being
seven for thirteen. Maybe you're four for thirteen and vanish me.
You know what. So that's kind of how I like
to approach it. I always think low man wins, and
I try to make sure I'm lower than those guys
and then use my ankles. Question six at Q will five,
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If you could add or change the rule in the NBA,
what would it be and why? I don't know that
it's necessarily a rule that I care most about. I
was shortened the season. I just think it's too many
games and at the speed that the game is played
at today. I know people always talk about, oh man,
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guys always did that them guys like no disrespect to
the guys that came before me, but they used to
walk the ball up the court. Like the speed that
the game has played at today. The amount of ground
that's being covered today as opposed to before in the
NBA sdrastic, and so I think I just think the
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seasons is a little long, and you don't always end
up seeing the best of the best from the best,
So if that's necessarily a rule, but I do think
it's a problem. Why no'bron talked about a month there
being a month off before the playoffs. I don't know
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that that's possible. A you kind of get a you know,
guys could get a bit out of shape, and it
could have adverse an adverse effect, you know, guys getting
back in all of a sudden, you pull something that's
been a month. So I don't know if it's necessary,
if a month is the right answer. But two weeks
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ain't no basketball, ain't no NBA player getting out of
shape in two weeks, But you do. You can't get
a lot healthier in two weeks. You know, you look
at that Steph Curry pulling a hamstring, and and and
to your point, Aaron Gordon saying two days in between games,
I agree, you look at because here's the thing. If
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you end up with a series like Houston and it's
a day in between games. That's a four hour flight,
four and a half hour flight from San Francisco to
Houston on the day in between the game. That's your resident.
So by the time you land in Houston, it's eight
o'clock at night. If you just try to get the
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guys a little sleep and not leave at ten or
leave at twelve, all of a sudden, you getting into Houston.
By the time you make it to the hotel, it's dark,
eight o'clock at night. You're trying to get dinner, and
everything is quick, like you're getting ready for band. So
the recovery process ain't great. Is it about bunching in
games or is it about the best man winning, the
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best team winning, putting your best product out there on
the floor for the fans. And I think that's where
you run into the issue, And so I agree with AG. Like,
there's two games we played Boston in the NBA Final,
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Robert Williams was dealing with a knee injury. When he
was out in the court, they were really good when
we had a day in between games. Brother man could
not move. That second game when there was two days
in between games, Oh man, that game he played after
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them two days with stellar That could possibly change the
outcome of the series. I still think we beat them,
but that could change something. Well, there's one day. Does
it help absolutely?
Speaker 2 (25:45):
So?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
As I said, not quite a rule change, maybe a
concept change or but if you want the best, I
think that needs to change. Another rule that I would
talk about that also, it's not really a rude and
fans wouldn't understand, is a couple of things. There should
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be a standard when you go to these arenas, in
these visiting locker rooms, when you're accustomed to a certain
level of things. It's a certain thing for recovery, cold
to hot tub souna. When you have a routine that
you do for recovery and then you go on to
roll for two weeks and you can't hit that because
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of the seven games that you play, one team you
had access to a cold to one team you had
access to a sauna. It doesn't allow the product to
be as great as it can possibly be. So in turn,
it affects the fans. Right, it's something that fans don't see,
but I'm telling you it's something that affects fans because
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you're not getting the best product. Another standard that should
be that ultimately help players, which helps fans. You go
to some of these arenas, some of the chairs are
low as hell. You sit, you're like hips are the
chairs on a bench amongst across the NBA should be
standards should have to be a certain height hip position.
(27:18):
It makes all the difference from him. But guess what
else that affects. It affects backs, which ultimately can affect casts,
which utimately play effect. Hamstrings can affect achilles, It can
affect nees. Right, like all the stuff is a trickle
down effect. There should be a certain standard for stuff
like that, because again, those things allow for the product
(27:40):
to stay in the best possible shape as it can
stay for the fan that paid their hard earned money.
There's no standard. So from arena arena, locker room shit benches,
low as hell, trash. I think those things need to
be changed. It's twenty twenty five. You mean to tell
me there's not a standard. Hey, ownership, You've made all
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this money. There's a certain standard that your visiting locker
room should be. It should have these things. It don't
have to be the most expensive world pool, hot tub,
cold tup, Ryan Smith Utah out of Kota, Hota. It
don't look like it's something that is crazy expensive, but
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it makes a difference. Go State Warriors, I think they
got a very expensive one, a whole situation going over
there in the visitor's locker room. But it don't have
to be expensive. It's just the access which ultimately gives
the players better recovery, which allows the players to be
out there on the floor more, which is the big
gripe around the NBA. Huh So how about you start
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correcting these things that can help correct the issue, because
guess what, I don't think the amount of games is changing,
So what can you change? You can change those things.
Those are the rule changes, if you might ask that
I think need to happen because it affects the overall product.
At love the game twenty Who are the top five
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players in the NBA without a ring? You gotta go
talk to somebody else without a ring. I don't have
without ring talks. I'll take that a step further. There
are some guys that have rings because you need luck,
like and they just didn't catch the break. You need
luck on your side. The wear rings health right like.
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It ain't always apples to apples and just because you
don't have a ring doesn't necessarily make you not a winner,
because I see people throw that type of salt all
the time, like Chris Paul not a winner. Chris Paul
is a winner, hasn't had the luxury of winning the ring,
but due the winner, no question, is a winner. It's
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been proven, you know. So I don't. I don't get
off into all of that. It's very hard to do,
don't get me wrong, Like there's a certain respect that
comes with doing it as it should. But I'm not.
I'm not the one tall that ain't me or like that.
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At and moving on at math bell K five, can
you talk more about players slash teams that actually want
to win a championship versus players slash teams who are
not really in it to win a championship? Absolutely, you
figure on a giving year in the NBA, there's maybe
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if you're lucky for the five teams really trying to
win a championship, like doing all that they can. The
only thing matters the most of the first, second, and
third most important things is winning a championship. You got
really three to five teams a year that that's really
the case. Everybody say they trying to win a championship.
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All the players are going to be like, oh, yeah,
you know we fighting start to see, well, we just
want to, you know, prepare to try to win a
champion know you not, because winning a championship don't happen
on your terms. So you see these teams and these
players like, oh, win a championship don't happen on your terms.
Winning a championship happens on the terms that need to
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be met to win a championship. And everybody ain't willing
to sacrifice for that, not organizationally, not from a player perspective.
They wanted to look a certain way, I want to
win a championship, but that don't work. But don't work.
That little butt will kill your chances. And that's most people,
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that's most organizations. So anytime you hear people saying, we
want to win a championship, but axit, that's it. They
don't really want to win. And there's a lot of
that around the NBA. There's far more of that than
people who actually want to win a championship. So yeah, no,
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they're all in your face every day, all day at
Dean Chambers eighty six thirteen, How do you work on
mental toughness as a young team, and keep up the
hunger to win as an older team. I think keeping
up the hunger to win as an older team. Like
you you've experienced success and you want that, you know,
like if you're a winner, you just don't you just
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don't stop and be like, all right, that gene is
gone now, like I don't care to win anymore. No,
you always want to win. That's the type of person.
That's that's how you keep that up. It's the type
of people you have as far as a younger team
mental toughness. You got to go through it, and you
got to be willing to go through it, and you
got to be willing to go through it with the
people you're going through with. And it's a certain way
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to go through it. When you lose, you lose a
certain way. You go back to what I was saying
about the Houston Rockets the last month ago. What now
when they lost, you lose a certain way you run on.
If the cord you duck your head, you ain't ready
to win because you ain't know how to lose. You
ain't ready to win. If you don't know how to lose,
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does not mean you have to lose in order to win.
But if you don't know how to lose, you ain't
ready to win. And so for a young team, you
gotta be willing to go through that. And when you
take them lumps, you gotta take them lumps. You don't
start pointing a finger. Only way the fingers should be
pointing is here, how can I help better this so
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that we can do this. That's how you build mental
toughness as a young team. You gotta go through it,
and you gotta stantento's and when you go through it,
you look. You stand as men or women depending on
the young team we're talking about, obviously we're talking NBA.
You stand, You take your lumps, you take it on
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the chain, You go back to the drawing board, You
work a little harder to try to do it again.
You know what that's you know what that look like,
you know what that felt like. You hold on to
that experience, Channel that experience, remember that experience and learn
from it. That's how you move forward. That's how a
young team gains mental toughness. You go through it, stay
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ten toes, don't start pointing a finger. Ah your homeboys
going on one of oh Man and stay nowad ain't
it was us. It was me. I did this because
that attitude carries into everything that you do and then
you can win. And that's how you build that mental
toughness as a young team at the AJA the AJA media.
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What lessons have you learned from setbacks or injuries? What
is your philosophy on building team chemistry and camaraderie. My
lessons from injuries that I've learned. I've been fortunate enough
to not have a ton of bad injuries. I think
my worst one I've had was my back injury. And
the lessons I've learned is just how lift weights, be strong,
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lift weights, how strongcore lift weights. They tell you it's
gonna mess up your jump shot. Go lift some more weights,
lift weights, lift properly lyft weights. That would be what
I learned from setbacks and injuries, team chemistry and camaraderie.
I gotta start at the top in order to build that,
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and must start at the top. But don't start at
the top. It can't start in the middle. That never works.
Can't be a couple here, a couple there. Must start
at the top and then trickle down to everyone. You
can start there. That's the beginning. Of the end. If
you cannot build team chemistry and camaraderie starting at the top,
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that is the beginning of the end and last, but
not least, at any underscore. What is your favorite moment
that you can remember in your career in the NBA
and college. NBA winning a championship, no question. College, I
would say my eye too, playing in the Final four
in Detroit. Just the whole lead up to that game
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of pep Riley like it was incredible playing in the
Final four in Detroit. We lost in the national championship game,
but that experience was one of my favorites in college.
My freshman year and then also my senior year playing
on an aircraft carrier in San Diego on the USS
Carl Vincent aircraft carrier where President Obama in attendance. It
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was like a dream come true. And it wasn't a
dream that I had because I didn't even know its possible.
We had the best a athletic director ever in Mark
Hollis who just created this thing out of the n
air and it was one of the most incredible evins.
It wasn't one of the best games to play in.
The win was a factor to Cory get a little slippery,
had those dcal slippery, but forget the game. We still
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had a great year and that was one of the
most incredible experiences. So I would say that one those
will be my couple from college. One A one B.
I love those. So yeah, appreciate y'all tuning in. Like
I said before, sorry BD couldn't be here. Hope my
dog feel better. If BD you hear this, you feel
better my dog. Thank you all. Remember b D and
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I will be back after Game one of the NBA
Finals with a new episode breaking down the Finals and
everything else going on around the league. Check that out.
Look forward to that. Until next time. That's a right peace.
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