May 6, 2025 • 44 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast, part of the Volume
Podcast Network. I am Chad Millman of the Action Network.
Today I'm joined as always by my co host, my companion,
my compadre, my BFF, professional better Simon Hunter ellosim.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
In Chad, how are we doing, dude?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
We got a lot to talk about. Because they've started
posting Rookie of the Year odds in the NFL. There's
already some Saquon Barkley props up. You and I are
both loving the NBA Playoffs, which we are going to
talk about because my favorite betting theory that I have
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written about since I lived in New Jersey, going back
almost twenty years, the zig zag theory is in play
and prices are moving off of the Nix, Celtics and
thunder Nuggets. We haven't even gotten to the other games yet.
As you know, we also hear at the Favorites receive
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loads of listener feedback and questions throughout the year. So
like we did back in March, we're going to go
through some of your very best questions. Let me remind
everybody at Real Chad Melman, the YouTube page is live.
We're gonna be throwing up clips from the show, not
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necessarily the ones that we throw up on Action Network YouTube.
We're gonna have opinions on breaking news. We're gonna have
stories from the book. I'm reporting about old school gambling,
new school gambling, all the good, good stuff from the
betting world. Check it out. Subscribe like at real Chad Milman.
(01:58):
All right, Simon, NBA plaffs zig zag theory is in
full effect. There's so much to unpack from last night.
The Celtics blowing a twenty point lead to the Knicks,
the Nuggets coming from eleven down with four minutes left,
last second shot by Aaron Gordon to beat the Thunder.
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The number one seeds in three of the four series
now no longer have or the top seeds in three
of the four series. Celtics, Thunder Calves all lost home
court advantage, Nuggets Wolves still be played. I'm loving the
NBA plass. You know I love the NBA. I'm an
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avid watcher. I think I've watched just about every game
I can stay up for, including those that I can't
even tremendous.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, I think Evan had an amazing tweet about it
that it was the first time two teams in the
NBA that were plus nine dogs both won outright on
the same day in twenty five years, which is just
even if you're not an NBA fan, you're gonna be
hearing about the NBA today because that's what people are
gonna be talking about because that's just something so rare,
and people watching it know how rare it is, because
it's like, Okay, both those teams were kind of in
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bad spots, playing teams that have been hyped up that
are very young, and the Grizzly Vets one. And that's
what's so fun about the NBA, right It's like you think,
these young teams, like you know, Oklahoma City getting all
this love, isn't the team, but.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
You can't, you can't tap into the championship pedigree.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
So yeah, the the Knicks Boston series right now, Chad's
is the probably the highest talked about series that the betters,
So I would say the masses the chalk are all
going to go heavy now on this Boston series. But
surprisingly professional betters, a lot of guys I respect, are
doing the same thing. Like it's moved now from obviously
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minus nine hundred to them being minus two forty minus
two fifty a lot of books, so I get why
they're doing it, Like that's a lot of value to
move off one game in historically bad shooting night. So
it's it pains me to root for Boston. But when
there's money involved, Chad, we root for the money. So yeah,
I'm gonna take a position on Boston in the series
price but Duch just following the smart money the guys
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I respect, But deep down I think we're all kind
of rooting for this next team.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Right, this is a really fun story.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, I'm always conflicted. Like I love watching Jalen Bronson,
I love watching Josh Hard. I've got a soft spot
for Tibbs, for Tom Tinodeou just because he's from New Britain,
which is, you know, twenty minutes from where I live
in Central Connecticut. He coached the Bulls and like got
him back to respectability after that era, that post Jordan,
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post Pippin era with Derek Rose, with Joe Kim Noah,
like with lu Al Dang. That was a really fun
era and Tibbs was great for that team and had
him playing really well and got him to the playoffs
and made them contenders. So and he's just so gruff
and miserable looking. I love watching him when they were
last night by twenty, like I've never actually, I've watched
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a lot of Knicks games, Bulls games with Thibodeaux as
the head coach, and the fact that at one point
he just threw up his arms after they were down twenty,
and I'm like, I've never seen the guy actually look
exasperated because they were losing. I've seen him look exasperated
because they weren't playing good defense, or because they did
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something stupid, and the fact they turned that around. Look,
I think the Celtics lost that game as much as
the Knicks won that game. And as I was watching
it last night, it's infuriating to watch it, and you
could do a freeze frame of almost every single time
the Celtics were down the court, and it's five guys
standing outside the three point line, one guy trying to
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beat another guy off the dribble in a mismatch, and
then taking a step back three and banging it off
the back of the iron. They had one play where
Drew Holliday cut to the basket, Tatum hit him, he
got a layup that that was like the only time
Joe Miszula would stand on the sideline and they'd show
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him like doing his hand gestures and finger gestures like
he's calling a play. What fucking player are you calling?
Everybody knows the only play is we're gonna shoot a
step back three after dribbling the clock down to five
seconds left in the twenty four second clock. It just
makes no sense to me. It was actually infuriating to watch,
and I don't even like the Celtics. It was just
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so frustrating.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, but it's be interesting if they actually overadjust or
they didn't stay the course because they had a lot
of open threes. Honestly, watching that game, so it's like,
you know, Dad's basketball right some nights it's just not
doesn't bounce your way. And that's what it felt like
to me watching the game. It feels like Boston is
way superior in many ways compared to the Knicks.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
So once again, I bet it. I bet Boston.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
But like, deep down, I'm hoping what you're saying is true, Chad,
that this is like just one of those NBA series
where the Knicks just staying at every game and when
it comes down to at the end of the game.
We see it every time teams, some certainties get tight,
other players step up, and you know, like you said,
it feels like that momentum right now is on the
knick side.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Well, look, the I mentioned in the intro, the zig
zag theory, which is one of my favorite betting phrases,
you know, as someone who loves the romanticism of the
language and the Damon runyanesque phrases of betting, zig zag
is as good as it gets. And I remember when
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I was first introduced to the idea, you know, honestly
twenty years ago. I remember Bob Scuccy, you know, Scooch,
Simon's predecessor as co host of the podcast UH subject
of the Odds, former bookmaker at the Start US now
overseeing BOYD Gaming bookmaking operations. He told me about the
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zig zag theory during the NBA playoff one year and
I was completely taken with it. Essentially, the theory says,
you bet on the team that lost the night before
or the game before in an NBA playoff series. The
trick has always been that bookmakers know this, They know
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professional betters are going to do this, so even if
the team lost, they would shade the line in their direction.
So you weren't really getting any value as a better
because the bookmakers knew everybody who was a professional is
going to pile in on the team that had just
lost the game. So the Celtics now, and in this
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by the way, in the first round, the NBA's zigzag theory,
which was basically teams coming off a straight up loss
in the first round, finished twenty three to twelve against
the spread in their next game. That is the best
mark for any opening round in the past twenty years.
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So now we look at this game with the Celtics
and the Knicks, and also the Thunder and the Nuggets.
The Celtics opened at nine. That number immediately got bet up,
so the bookmakers couldn't shade it enough.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
The Calves and Pacers, ever got bet up as well, and.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
The Calves and Pacers got bat and the Nuggets and
the Thunder got bet up. I don't think the Celtics
will change one bit of their strategy because this is
what they've done all years. Shoot literally fifty three pointers
a game, and they're going to look and say, we
make five of these three pointers. We're not having this conversation.
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They're going to rationalize and justify. I still might take
the Celtics in minus ten.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I mean, I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
It's it's it's tempting because you just know it's a
game in which you just said, if they just make
one basket, right, that was the difference in that game.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
And that's why I.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Love NBA in so many ways, where it's this long
ass game where it always comes down to one or
two plays that decide the entire thing.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
If they had drawn up one freaking play at the
end of overtime or the end of regulation, they might
have won that game. That was a big difference. Like
Tibbs drew up a brilliant play on the out of
bounds to get Jalen Brunt in the ball and a
wide open look. The Celtics couldn't get a shot off
at the end of regulation and then their only option
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was a lob, a cross court lob that Mikail Bridge
is basically bullyball of Jalen Brown and got the ball
and ended the game. It was It was a coaching
blood bath for the next and in addition to Jalen
Brunson just being mister Clash. It was great, totally great,
loved it. Can't wait for the playoffs to continue. Right,
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here's the question. We're going to get into the questions
a little bit. We've talked about this a lot on
the podcast so far. Home field advantage has never been
lower in the NFL. If you owned an NFL team, Simon,
would you value home field advantage? That's the first question
I think yes or no, Yes, okay, you would. What
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steps would you take to take full advantage to optimize
home field advantage?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I mean, there's a lot of ways you can attack it,
but the biggest one to me will always be attacking
what the strength is of your home field with the
players are looking at and bringing in and you know,
you can say what you want about why the Bills
drafted Josh Allen from Wyoming, but a lot of the
stuff you heard is he's big, like Ben Roethlisberger at
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big hands. He was used to playing out in the
elements like he did in college, did well planing out
in those type elements, and the Bill's mindset was, we're
bringing him in here because he kind of fits what
we need in this the location we play at, like
we need a guy who can throw through these strong
wins late in the year. And you know, holds on
the ball and bad element, bad weather, and is big
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and strong, just like Ben Roethlisberger was.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
So you know, it's certain teams attack it. You know.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Another one that jumps out to me will always be
Drew Brees bringing him down to the Saints in New Orleans.
Like he is the perfect type of quarterback to play indoors, right,
not the strongest arm when there's no win, no type
of rain, anything like that, and he's indoors. He's perfect
pain manning. Think about those years of the Colts.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
It was. It was perfect.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Like he hated playing outdoors, playing with the wet ball.
So yeah, I just think it's interesting. There's certain teams
that do adjust to and attack it in different ways
where you know, my view of it is, I agree
with that home field's dying in many ways, and there's
certain teams though that it feels like it's not right.
I feel like the Eagles have an advantage at playing
at home. I feel like the Lions had an advantage
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of plane at home. There's certain teams that I do
think that does matter to you where I think we
both agree, right, Chad, the Rams and the Chargers, do
they really have any type of home field.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
No.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
So I do agree with a lot of this stuff
that there's some certain teams that, yeah, there is literally zero.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Difference playing on the home or on the road for
those teams.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Well, look, I feel like there's strategic value that you're
talking about, and that's to me what makes the real difference,
the ability to control your crowd to play to your advantage.
The Saints did it with Drew Brees. Peyton Manning did
it with the Colts. The stadium would be so quiet
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when they were on offense. You could hear in the
press box. Peyton Manning called the plays right because he understood,
and the crowd understood, like they were very knowledgeable football fans.
They had been trained. And I think that you cannot
intimidate football players with noise anymore. I would say, you know,
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create the kind of environment that Steve Balmer has created
at the new Stadium arena that the Clippers play at,
because he's got all the fans that are basically standing
the whole time. But that's real intimate and you're in
the player's grill while they're shooting free throws. I don't
think you're going to be able to do that in
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a football environment if you turn it into something that
is akin to soccer. You go to the stadiums in
the EPL, and you know, you've got the flags that unfurl,
that are going from top of the stadium to bottom
of the stadium, and people are standing the whole time. Hey,
you're never going to get Americans to do that, like
stand the entire time. There's too much sitting, there's too
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much dead time, Like, there's not enough sort of discipline
to get an entire stadium to do what they do
in the EPL. But I also think football players just
aren't going to be intimidated by that. I guess just
not part of the culture. They're not going to care.
It's not going to matter.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
They're not.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
I mean, you hear more players get intimidated by the
moment then more so than the stadium.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Right, they talk about that a lot.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
And yeah, like you know, I don't think anyone go
when Dallas built that new stadium. I don't think anyone
went down there when they were all struck, right, they
weren't not playing well because they had a bigger screen
in the middle of the field to look up at
jumbo tron.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
So I'm with you Chad.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
It's times have changed though, but like I still do
think there is advantage to certain teams where you know,
Buffalo build an indoor stadium, it just feels like it's sacrilege.
Like I just thinking of the games we've had of
them having these January games or these late December games
up in Buffalo. My favorite game ever will always be
that Patriots game where Belichick ran the ball fifty times.
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I think Mac Jones threw it twice, and it was just, yeah,
I hope they're not building interstateum matter. I hope you're right.
It's just it just seems like every day I hear
different stories about what's going on Buffalo. Just to me,
Buffalo outdoors in the cold, I love everything about it.
It's just one of my favorite football venues. That And
you know, you have the same thing with the Bears.
Like the Bears never having a guy throw for over
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four thousand yards has a lot to do with their
stadium and just the way the location of it is
where their team, their team that's never drafted that big
arm quarterback, they always just lent it to. We're a
running back first organization. We've been that way for a
whole history because where we play, so a lot of
teams do lean into what they've been historically.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yesterday, I was procrastinating and so I went on TikTok,
which is what I like to do. And in my
TikTok feed, maybe the longest TikTok I've ever seen was
a rebroadcast basically of past summer All and John Madden
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calling the first round playoff game, the first playoff game
between the in nineteen eighty five seasons. So it was
January nineteen eighty six between the Bears and the Giants,
and it was about twenty below at Soldier Field that day.
I was at the game. It was like January fifth,
nineteen eighty six, and it was gloryus. How much fun
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it was. And like in the broadcast, Brett Musburger is
opening it and talking about the weather and showing the
scoreboard saying, don't let frost bite bite. You go to
these stations if you feel uncomfortable for relief. And I
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remember being bundled up. I remember like where I was sitting.
I remember the plays that were happening in front of me.
It was magical, totally totally magical. That's the advantage, like
handling the elements. I don't think there's anything a crowd
can do. I think it's about strategically drafting, right. I
think it's about how a quarterback can control the crowd.
And I think it's about the elements. Those are the things.
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Those are the things I would try to build into
home field advantage. Agree all right, Offensive and rookie Offensive
and defensive Rookie of the Year markets are up at FanDuel.
At least, I'm going to lift a couple of them
for you. Offense Ashton Gent plus two seventy, cam Ward
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plus three eighty, Travis Hunter plus seven fifty. I have
an immediate opinion.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah, I've only made two bets.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I immediately you obviously know I love cam like board,
I'm all about Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I grabbed that one immediately.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
I just think he should be the odds on favorite
in my opinion. The next one might check a little bit.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Hampton. I grabbed him for the Chargers. I just love
I love the spot.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
The opportunity, and the fact that you know it's it's
never the one that everyone thinks is coming right. There's
always sometimes the outside guy, and this feels like a
nice spot for him. And our run first type of
offense that you know, if he hits this, give me
an absolute mega player for them going forward.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Like he just seems like it's a horriball guy. He's
going to try.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
To feed this running back, even though I know they
have other guys there. The fact they took him in
the first round, that pick that they did. Historically guy's
taking the first round are usually the guy coming right out.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
So I like that. I like that value at fourteen
to one.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, I mean, look, it makes sense. It's what Harbaugh
is trying to build in Los Angeles with that team.
I saw this great clip the other day. I think
it might have been on Rich Eisen show. Harbut said
he shot up in the middle of the night and
said to himself, I've got to get Justin Herbert into
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the Hall of Fame. He said, If I get Justin
Herbert into the Hall of Fame, then everything we were
hoping to do we did. If he's going to get
into the Hall of Fame, he's probably got to win
a couple of Super Bowls. If we're going to win
super Bowls, we've got to build a team like X,
Y and Z right and so, so he is thinking
so big picture and so intensely about justin Herbert. He's
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waking up in the middle of the night to get
this guy into the Hall of Fame. I think you're
not wrong. It starts with running a much better offense
and controlling the ball and not putting in the position
where he has to be scrambling at the end of
a game with a shitty offensive line and trying to
get the ball downfield. But I immediately saw cam Warden
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and was like, if he's not the shortest ohs, then
I'm betting him.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
And I also go back to the Herbert point.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
I think Harville just needs to get that first playoff
win then then maybe start thinking getting the.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Herbert to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
All right, that's that's pretty insane that Herbert Herbert Hall
of Fame talk. The guys in year five or six
doesn't have a playoff win yet. But yeah, for me, Chad,
I'm with the award. It just feels like the easy
bet right now. Right this is such a QB award,
like for anyone else to get it, it really has
to be a down year for the Cobs and I
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just like we talked about why I love Tennessee at
plus eight hundred eight to one to win their division.
It's like a week division on a team that has
a pretty good defense, that has weapons offense, The offensive
line improved every week last year. It's it's all there.
If cam wor can come in and just take that
next step. Like we've seen these you know, we've seen
CJ come out and do it. We saw Jane Daniels
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do it. I get it, like we're not gonna have
one of these guys every year. But this just lines
up with cam Ward here where it's like he's falling
into a nice spot if he's comfortable, Like you just said,
this is this feels like crazy odds. So I really
liked that we're getting him not as number one, it's
the number two in the value.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah, I actually started to like the idea of Tennessee
a little bit more. Yeah, to win that division.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Look at that division.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
But it also lines up. You know, it's funny. Someone
commented in the YouTube comments on at Route Real Chad
moment at Real Chad, No.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
It's a lace. You're going to YouTube comments.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Well, you know what I get like alerts when people comment,
And so I looked at it, but they were they
were coming after us because we said we liked the
Patriots as value to win the AFC East. And of course,
like it might have been Matt Mitchell like just coming
after me.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
But you know, I said the top, the Bills deserve
to be a big, huge favorite, that they're by far
the best team in that division.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah, the Bills, you know, defensive line has improved, whatever
it was. And I was like, look, I'm not saying
the Bills aren't great. I'm just saying if you look back,
every year, there is always a surprise division winner, and
the formula tends to be first or second year quarterback,
first or second year coach. Right, think about the Giants
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with Brian Dayball. Think about what the Texans with CJ.
Shroud and Demico Ryans. Think about the Bengals a few
years go, right when it was Joe Burrow and Zach Taylor.
Think about like every single year there is always a
surprise and it always ends up being something in that pattern.
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We liked it for Vrabel and Drake May, but just
easily be cam Ward and Brian Callahan, which in a
much weaker division.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah, and let it be known now I'm going to
have ten times the amount of money on Tennessee divisional odds,
and I will on the Patriots ods. We're just saying
in that spot, we thought the Patriots are good value
because what Chad just outlined year two jump quarterback head coach,
that combo, we're hoping for the best. If you want
to play it safe, we said it, throw the bills
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and whatever type of parlay you want to make divisional odds,
there's nothing wrong with throwing the Bills in there. They're
by far the best team in that division and there
should be minus two to fifty rare the hell they
were at the when we were talking about them.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
All right, question about defensive Rookie of the year, this
one's fun. Abdua Carter plus two fifty, Jalen wo plus
seven hundred, Travis Hunter plus one thousand, and then it
goes on and on and on. Anyone on the board
that I didn't mention just now because I've got an opinion.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Like Mike Green and Johat Campbell could be guys that
could be great. Like you know, Mike Green is someone
that has a ton of talent, obviously a ton of bagage.
You can google look it up. Why he did fall
to the Ravens. We've seen the Ravens do this all
the time, Right, they take a guy who's got issues,
tons of talent, straighten them out. He's gonna fit right
into that defense. He could be an absolute stud and
a steel for that team. And same with Campbell Man.
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If this kid is legit playing the number two linebacker
for the Eagles, or if he ends up being an edge,
he could be a stub. But for to me, each
had just a value. How do you not take Walker
like this kid is an absolute stud on a defense
that has zero pass russ ability In Atlanta they're one
of the worst worst d end groups and all the NFL.
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They're instantly getting a guy who could have been a
top ten pick, ton of raw of talent. If he
goes there and he's incredible, I get why he's at
number two, like him being the second odds on favorite
ahead of Travis Hunter. To me, that's price right by
the sportsbooks, But I think there's still value there. I
have a closer plus five hundred plus seven hundred plus
seven to fifty a couple different books.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I'll take that by on Walker Travis Hunter.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Tend to one dude come on. Think about it. Think
about it. Jalen Walker will have to be so brilliant.
He'll need double digit sacks, and he'll need to be
in a position where that team is getting so much
spotlight and playing in a Marquee game at least once
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or twice, and his highlights are all over social media.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
He's in the right division for it, though you'd agree,
right the Saints, the Panthers, and the Bucks.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Well, what I would say about that is that he's
not because he's not a guy who automatically his team
is going to be playing in primetime games right right, right,
So he's going to need a viral campaign where every
week it's like when Micah Parsons was blowing up and
you're like, oh my god, look at what this guy
is doing. Oh my god, look at what this guy
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is doing. Travis Hunter, if he plays twenty five percent
of the time on defense and let's say he gets
four picks, all right, all of those are going to
be all over social media. All of those are going
to lead Sports Center with Scott Van Pelt, all of
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those are going to be discussed. Everybody wants to see.
It's a narrative.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Award, don't do not bet Travis Hunter for defense.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Ten to one. People are going to want that.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
There's no way. I just don't think he's gonna play
enough for you. I get what you're saying, but.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
It's just I don't know, I get like from from
your point of view, though, this is going to probably
be the most beat guy, and the fact that the
books are just keeping.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Him at plus a thousand should scare you off.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Because this he's got a really diehard fan base that
are Bettingham right now. And you know, it's gonna be
interesting where we're at in August where the books report
where the money is on these different spots.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I really think the public's gonna hammer that. From your
same point of view.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Of just you know, he could win this award, but yeah,
someone just said in our chat, the cornerbacks just don't
win it. And he really has to be, you know,
one of the most hyped up unicorns we've ever had
coming to the sport.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I mean, like I.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Told you, I will forever hold I don't want a
bad enouth to people because they want our show. But
comparing him to Aatani to me, was the dumbest thing
I've ever heard of my life. Like one guy is
built like the biggest freak I've ever seen in person.
I don't think people understand how huge Otani is and
how jacked he is, and he's playing a.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Non contact sport.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Trastunter is, you know, skinny as hell playing a contact
sport trying to play both sides. Again, it's just not
going to happen. I'm telling you, it's not going to happen.
So yeah, I get where Chad's coming from. I just
I wouldn't do it. There's just so much has to
go your way and it just never happens. Cornerbacks never
win this award because the jump from college, let alone
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the Big twelve, to being in the NFL playing corner
it's so extreme.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I just I can't see him winning this award.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Travis Hunter tend to one. Honest to god, he gets
four picks and makes you know, three highlight wheth he
plays on defense. People are fucking suckers. They just don't are.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
The voters are suckers. Everyone wants to be validated for
saying I'm with you. I think it's idiotic to be
saying this guy, to be having conversations about this guy
playing aggressively both ways, but they took it so seriously
in the draft coverage, they talked about it so much.
One guy was saying, I forgot who it was. Was like,
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it's actually easier to do it in the NFL because
there's fewer plays. It was just like people are trying
to will this to be a thing. Travis Hunter like
at ten to one, someone wants to make this happen.
And when someone wants to make something happen in the NFL,
fucking happens.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Favorite stadium arena you've been in, and the stadium you've
never been in that you would love to travel to
for a game.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I mean, I'll be biased, like Citizens Bank Park. I
just it's a very special place for me. And you know,
I'm a big Phillies fan, and I see the VET
would be number one as an old Eagles fan. Great
memories of being in the VET in the nineties, tons
of losing. I was there for that Tampa game in
the freezing cold as well, where it was guaranteed we're
going to beat Tampa.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
They don't win in the cold, and a pick six
by Barber and it was all downhill from there. So yeah,
for base.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Being a fan base, you know, Eagles fan, I would say,
that's that's really special for me a team.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I can't believe I'm going to say this.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
It's It's probably the best ballpark I ever went through,
just being nostalgic as a little kid. Was Yankees Ballpark,
Like when I was a kid going there, you know, knowing.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
All the history.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I feel like there was a wall with all the
different players pictures on it, and there was like some
Hall of Fame walk through in there and just all that.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
It's called Monument Park.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah, so that was in the old Yankee Stadium.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
It was just crazy thinking back to that, and then
I guess Stateium. I want to go to Chad knows Cubs.
I wanted to go there when we were in Chicago.
I wanted to catch a game. It's always been on
my bucket list. I'm just never in Chicago when they
either Cubs were playing at home or like, it just
doesn't line up right. So that's that's still my number one.
I just got to get the Wrigley at some point
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in my life.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
You know what, You and I we got to go
to a day game at Wrigley. Seriously, because I went
to Chicago. I'll make it work the the you know,
I'm going to talk right about this in the book,
But the guy who invented the point spread lived in
Chicago and spent so many days at Wrigley Field for
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day games, betting with his neighbors that he was sitting
next to. And so you know, and now the Cubs
they've got a DraftKings sportsbook at Wrigly and I want
to go to the game and sit in stands. You
should come with me as a better Uh, it would
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be really fun. Wriggly for sure. I feel like you
can't answer this question without count accounting for sort of
the emotional elements.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Go look Wriggly in the World Series when they beat
the Indians and it was they were down three to
two and heading back to Cleveland. That's going to be
as good as it gets, right, being a soldier field
for the playoffs for the eighty five season, for that
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Giants game and then the Rams, like, that's brilliant. It's
never going to be topped being at the old Chicago
Stadium when Michael Jordan would have it rocking. Of course,
like other people might not feel that way, but I'm
going to feel that way. I would say the best
one I've ever been in, not emotionally connected, has to
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be Death Valley at LSU easily the most electric, exciting
in stadium experience I've ever had.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I was a game, who were they playing?
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Twenty twelve night game Saturday night against Alabama. Wow, Bama
was one, LSU was five or something.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
To score nine to six. Those were like the nine six, twelve.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Ten years Bama won like on the last drive of
the game, a comeback. I had been there for ESPN,
the magazine we used to these issues called one Day,
one Game, where we would cover the whole issue would
be dedicated to everything it takes to pull off this
huge event. So we were at the tailgate, we were
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in the locker room. We were in the Crimson Tide
locker room. When they're hanging up the uniforms. We've got
a sort of photo booth set up with fans who
come through. Actually behind me on the wall you can
see like some of the pictures that we took from that,
I'm right in front of it. But that one right
there is from the very end of the game, after
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LSU had lost. That was two fans just sitting there
alone at the top of the stadium because they were
so dejected. That was the last page of the magazine
for that issue. But jeez, that that was insane and
the stadium. I'd want to go to Wembley for a
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for a football match. How do you not want to
go to Wembley for a football match?
Speaker 2 (34:06):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
I mean I've been to Manchester for a match like
that was obviously life changing.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
But yeah, it's as an American.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
I tell anyone that ever asked me, if you can
get to a football match, any club really does not matter.
Just get in there, get with the fans, have a
couple of drinks, and get singing. It's just it really
changed your perspective as an American fan going over to England
seeing a match.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Uh oh. Our listeners are like this one. What is
one food you'd love to make your co host eat?
Are you ready? Do you want to know what mine is?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I think you'd love it. I'd like you to have
cottage cheese.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I'm already out with but I think I can make
some type of cottage.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I think I can make it completely edible for you. Okay,
it's cottage cheese. And there's like a brand called good
cottage cheese, and it's delicious. It's thicker, so it's not
like runny like your nineteen seventies cottage cheese that comes
with peaches. You put some date caramel in there. You
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know what date caramel is. No, Oh, my god, dad,
caramel is the best. You take the dates, you take
out the pits. You pour boiling water over the dates.
You let them sit for fifteen minutes. You take them out,
you put them in a blender. You put in half
a can of coconut milk, a little cinnamon, a little vanilla.
You blend it and you've got like this creamy, delicious,
(35:39):
healthy sweetener. You put a spoonful of date caramel in there,
and you take some roasted nuts and you uh, and
then you put like an apple or some blueberries or raspberries,
any kind of fruit you like, and you mix it up. Simon,
It's it's freaking heaven. It's so good and very healthy breakfast.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
All right, So I'm gonna go to complete ops away.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
I was trying to think, what, like, I have a
couple of different foods that are my go to as
a guy who's a bigger guy. We have every bigger
guy's sad food what food we go to and we're sad.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
So whenever we have a bad.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Losing day on this show, especially when we do our
Sunday night shows, as soon as I hop on here,
this is seriously the low of lows, I'll door dash
from Cinabun and I will get a cinnabun. And that's
why I would love to see Chatty an eight hundred
thousand calories cinnabun with just pure sugar, nothing, nothing healthy,
and it just cooked by some seventeen year old and
(36:35):
some mall somewhere. That's just terrible. I would love to
see you eat a cinnamon which I absolutely love.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
By the way, you know what's crazy. You just mentioned
it was your sad food. It was my sad and
lonely food too. Back in the day. So when I
when I was writing The Odds, which was the best
selling book I did about sports betting, you know, in
the early twoth I would be in Vegas for multiple
(37:06):
days on end, and then I'd take a red eye
back from Vegas to New York. I usually on Sunday
nights at the I'd like go straight from the sports
book to the airport and I'd hop on the plane,
but it would be getting late, and there weren't a
lot of things that were open then, and so the
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saddest food you could have is the cinnabon on the
way to your gate, just getting through security at mccaren Airport.
And I would sit there in the under the fluorescent
lights two hours before my plane left, because I was
stuck in no man's land and it's a red eye
(37:49):
and I'm having this sinnabon and it's just filling me
up and making me sick. And then I got to
go take out my contacts and walk onto the plane blind,
and I I got to try to fall asleep. And
the next day I gotta go to work. I'd land
and have to go right to work, take a bus
from freaking Newark Airport into the city. That was my
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saddest meal. You're right, I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Let's say you've never hit rock bottom until you're trying
to send him on your PLUSK fork just snaps in
half because.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
It's such an ultimate process. Sure, cooking the heater for
three days.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Why can't they just make the fork stronger at the cinema?
Speaker 2 (38:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
It's so true, all right, there are some season long
Saquon Barkley markets available, Simon specifically you any thoughts on
any markets that are available, you know, can he break
the season rushing record or anything that you want to
(38:47):
take a look at.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Yeah, Like, again, this is my job people as a fan,
obviously I want Saquan to have great things happened to him.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
He crossed the most dangerous.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Number in all football chat he crossed the two K number,
and we have his store of data to back it
up where it's it's never good. And you know, my
mindset of it is, this guy is the freak of freaks.
He left some yards on the field that he could
have easily got way more yards than he even did.
And he's only going to get better year two behind
this offensive line, and it should be great. But we've
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seen the numbers, like if you want to bet against it,
you're gonna make money long term betting against.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
The player after rushing for two K.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
So my mentality of it, I mean it sucks to
be negative, is I'll take all of his unders.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
It's just it's just the way you have to do it.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
It's all of it's gonna be peaked value at this point,
it's going to be an easy bet for most public.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Betters, but I would say, just run it from far away.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
It's just gonna be, you know, a number bumped up
too much to ever have value on it. So yeah,
I hate to be the negative one, but I'm down
obviously on Saquon.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Coming to this upcoming season.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Breaking New y sovereignty, winner of the Kentucky Dribby will
not be running in the preetness. I don't have any
other information. I only have what's in the chat from
what I assume is Gifford, who was also telling me
that the game I referenced LSU Alabama AJ McCarran to TJ. Weldon.
(40:19):
I think it was a screen to win the game
twenty one seventeen. I'll also say my other sad food.
When I was in high school and my girlfriend broke
up with me a week after prom because she wanted
to date a dude who she had always had a
crush on, who had just broken up with his girlfriend
and she always wanted dat him before they graduated. She
was a year older little Frozen Sarah Lee cheesecakes, and
(40:47):
I was eating them on top of my covers on
a trundle bed in my tidy whities watching Saturday Night
Live when my parents came home from being out and
my dad walked into my room and saw me and
looked at me and said, she dumped you. Huh said yeah.
He said that was like that looks like it hurts,
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and then he left.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
God, I wish Barry was my dad.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Dude, you know Barry, you know Barry.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
He's the best.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Oh my god. Barry also in that room, stayed with
me all night after I was puking while drinking Jack
Daniels to celebrate getting into Tulane University, and then made
me get up at six am to go work at
the pharmacy where I had a weekend job, and I
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had a seven am shift and they sent me home
about two hours later because I couldn't keep anything down.
Oh god, Oh yeah, Barry, he was one for the
work ethic. All right, last question before we get out
of here, hold on wordd I lost it here for
a second. Oh this was the best one. Shdor Sanders?
Will Dor Sanders be the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns? Really,
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the market is who will be the starting quarterback for
the Cleveland Browns? Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Uh, Dylan Gabriel,
Dr Sanders. Who are you betting on right now?
Speaker 2 (42:17):
I mean, how do you not bet Flacco?
Speaker 3 (42:20):
It just feels like he's the type of guy who's
played the offense before, knows what to do, and he'll
have a step up in all these young kids fighting for,
you know, the positions behind him. I feel like, as
much I want to make it Sanders that I just
he would really have to wow them right away, Chad.
So yeah, for me, I'll go boring, I'll go Joe.
Flacco just feels like he's gonna have a leg up
on all of them because you know, he's just seen
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it all and that's just that's a big deal, especially
where you know these guys not only a they're playing
for you know, the number two, number three job. Someone's
gonna lose their job, right They're not carrying four guys
into the season, So yeah, it's I can't see Kenny
Pickett beaten out Flacco, but I could see Sanders go
for his money because I do think he has a
ton of talent.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Oh, I think this is Shador sanders job to lose.
He is gonna come in.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Do you see the video of the team when they
drafted him, the GM and the coach.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
They didn't look happy, no, but they're gonna be. If
de Door Sanders is coming in, he's gonna fight for
that job. He's gonna win that job. He's gonna be
the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. They got nothing
to lose. They're not gonna win anything with Joe Flack,
or they're not gonna win anything with Kenny Picky. You
might as well find out now. Is shud or Sanders
going to be the guy or are you gonna tank
immediately to go into the next year and get one
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of these quarterbacks that everyone says is sort of gonna
make up a much better quarterback class. I think it's
gonna be Sugar Sanders love it. I think Kenny Pickett's
gonna get cut. All right. Simon and I will return
with our next episode of The Favorites Thursday on the
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Speaker 2 (43:59):
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Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast, part of the Volume
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Today I'm joined as always by my co host, my companion,
my compadre, my BFF, professional better Simon Hunter ellosim.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
In Chad, how are we doing, dude?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
We got a lot to talk about. Because they've started
posting Rookie of the Year odds in the NFL. There's
already some Saquon Barkley props up. You and I are
both loving the NBA Playoffs, which we are going to
talk about because my favorite betting theory that I have
(00:52):
written about since I lived in New Jersey, going back
almost twenty years, the zig zag theory is in play
and prices are moving off of the Nix, Celtics and
thunder Nuggets. We haven't even gotten to the other games yet.
As you know, we also hear at the Favorites receive
(01:13):
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like we did back in March, we're going to go
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We're gonna be throwing up clips from the show, not
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All right, Simon, NBA plaffs zig zag theory is in
full effect. There's so much to unpack from last night.
The Celtics blowing a twenty point lead to the Knicks,
the Nuggets coming from eleven down with four minutes left,
last second shot by Aaron Gordon to beat the Thunder.
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The number one seeds in three of the four series
now no longer have or the top seeds in three
of the four series. Celtics, Thunder Calves all lost home
court advantage, Nuggets Wolves still be played. I'm loving the
NBA plass. You know I love the NBA. I'm an
(02:40):
avid watcher. I think I've watched just about every game
I can stay up for, including those that I can't
even tremendous.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, I think Evan had an amazing tweet about it
that it was the first time two teams in the
NBA that were plus nine dogs both won outright on
the same day in twenty five years, which is just
even if you're not an NBA fan, you're gonna be
hearing about the NBA today because that's what people are
gonna be talking about because that's just something so rare,
and people watching it know how rare it is, because
it's like, Okay, both those teams were kind of in
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bad spots, playing teams that have been hyped up that
are very young, and the Grizzly Vets one. And that's
what's so fun about the NBA, right It's like you think,
these young teams, like you know, Oklahoma City getting all
this love, isn't the team, but.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
You can't, you can't tap into the championship pedigree.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
So yeah, the the Knicks Boston series right now, Chad's
is the probably the highest talked about series that the betters,
So I would say the masses the chalk are all
going to go heavy now on this Boston series. But
surprisingly professional betters, a lot of guys I respect, are
doing the same thing. Like it's moved now from obviously
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minus nine hundred to them being minus two forty minus
two fifty a lot of books, so I get why
they're doing it, Like that's a lot of value to
move off one game in historically bad shooting night. So
it's it pains me to root for Boston. But when
there's money involved, Chad, we root for the money. So yeah,
I'm gonna take a position on Boston in the series
price but Duch just following the smart money the guys
(04:10):
I respect, But deep down I think we're all kind
of rooting for this next team.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Right, this is a really fun story.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, I'm always conflicted. Like I love watching Jalen Bronson,
I love watching Josh Hard. I've got a soft spot
for Tibbs, for Tom Tinodeou just because he's from New Britain,
which is, you know, twenty minutes from where I live
in Central Connecticut. He coached the Bulls and like got
him back to respectability after that era, that post Jordan,
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post Pippin era with Derek Rose, with Joe Kim Noah,
like with lu Al Dang. That was a really fun
era and Tibbs was great for that team and had
him playing really well and got him to the playoffs
and made them contenders. So and he's just so gruff
and miserable looking. I love watching him when they were
last night by twenty, like I've never actually, I've watched
(05:04):
a lot of Knicks games, Bulls games with Thibodeaux as
the head coach, and the fact that at one point
he just threw up his arms after they were down twenty,
and I'm like, I've never seen the guy actually look
exasperated because they were losing. I've seen him look exasperated
because they weren't playing good defense, or because they did
(05:25):
something stupid, and the fact they turned that around. Look,
I think the Celtics lost that game as much as
the Knicks won that game. And as I was watching
it last night, it's infuriating to watch it, and you
could do a freeze frame of almost every single time
the Celtics were down the court, and it's five guys
standing outside the three point line, one guy trying to
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beat another guy off the dribble in a mismatch, and
then taking a step back three and banging it off
the back of the iron. They had one play where
Drew Holliday cut to the basket, Tatum hit him, he
got a layup that that was like the only time
Joe Miszula would stand on the sideline and they'd show
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him like doing his hand gestures and finger gestures like
he's calling a play. What fucking player are you calling?
Everybody knows the only play is we're gonna shoot a
step back three after dribbling the clock down to five
seconds left in the twenty four second clock. It just
makes no sense to me. It was actually infuriating to watch,
and I don't even like the Celtics. It was just
(06:29):
so frustrating.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, but it's be interesting if they actually overadjust or
they didn't stay the course because they had a lot
of open threes. Honestly, watching that game, so it's like,
you know, Dad's basketball right some nights it's just not
doesn't bounce your way. And that's what it felt like
to me watching the game. It feels like Boston is
way superior in many ways compared to the Knicks.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
So once again, I bet it. I bet Boston.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
But like, deep down, I'm hoping what you're saying is true, Chad,
that this is like just one of those NBA series
where the Knicks just staying at every game and when
it comes down to at the end of the game.
We see it every time teams, some certainties get tight,
other players step up, and you know, like you said,
it feels like that momentum right now is on the
knick side.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Well, look, the I mentioned in the intro, the zig
zag theory, which is one of my favorite betting phrases,
you know, as someone who loves the romanticism of the
language and the Damon runyanesque phrases of betting, zig zag
is as good as it gets. And I remember when
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I was first introduced to the idea, you know, honestly
twenty years ago. I remember Bob Scuccy, you know, Scooch,
Simon's predecessor as co host of the podcast UH subject
of the Odds, former bookmaker at the Start US now
overseeing BOYD Gaming bookmaking operations. He told me about the
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zig zag theory during the NBA playoff one year and
I was completely taken with it. Essentially, the theory says,
you bet on the team that lost the night before
or the game before in an NBA playoff series. The
trick has always been that bookmakers know this, They know
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professional betters are going to do this, so even if
the team lost, they would shade the line in their direction.
So you weren't really getting any value as a better
because the bookmakers knew everybody who was a professional is
going to pile in on the team that had just
lost the game. So the Celtics now, and in this
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by the way, in the first round, the NBA's zigzag theory,
which was basically teams coming off a straight up loss
in the first round, finished twenty three to twelve against
the spread in their next game. That is the best
mark for any opening round in the past twenty years.
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So now we look at this game with the Celtics
and the Knicks, and also the Thunder and the Nuggets.
The Celtics opened at nine. That number immediately got bet up,
so the bookmakers couldn't shade it enough.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
The Calves and Pacers, ever got bet up as well, and.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
The Calves and Pacers got bat and the Nuggets and
the Thunder got bet up. I don't think the Celtics
will change one bit of their strategy because this is
what they've done all years. Shoot literally fifty three pointers
a game, and they're going to look and say, we
make five of these three pointers. We're not having this conversation.
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They're going to rationalize and justify. I still might take
the Celtics in minus ten.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I mean, I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
It's it's it's tempting because you just know it's a
game in which you just said, if they just make
one basket, right, that was the difference in that game.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
And that's why I.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Love NBA in so many ways, where it's this long
ass game where it always comes down to one or
two plays that decide the entire thing.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
If they had drawn up one freaking play at the
end of overtime or the end of regulation, they might
have won that game. That was a big difference. Like
Tibbs drew up a brilliant play on the out of
bounds to get Jalen Brunt in the ball and a
wide open look. The Celtics couldn't get a shot off
at the end of regulation and then their only option
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was a lob, a cross court lob that Mikail Bridge
is basically bullyball of Jalen Brown and got the ball
and ended the game. It was It was a coaching
blood bath for the next and in addition to Jalen
Brunson just being mister Clash. It was great, totally great,
loved it. Can't wait for the playoffs to continue. Right,
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here's the question. We're going to get into the questions
a little bit. We've talked about this a lot on
the podcast so far. Home field advantage has never been
lower in the NFL. If you owned an NFL team, Simon,
would you value home field advantage? That's the first question
I think yes or no, Yes, okay, you would. What
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steps would you take to take full advantage to optimize
home field advantage?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I mean, there's a lot of ways you can attack it,
but the biggest one to me will always be attacking
what the strength is of your home field with the
players are looking at and bringing in and you know,
you can say what you want about why the Bills
drafted Josh Allen from Wyoming, but a lot of the
stuff you heard is he's big, like Ben Roethlisberger at
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big hands. He was used to playing out in the
elements like he did in college, did well planing out
in those type elements, and the Bill's mindset was, we're
bringing him in here because he kind of fits what
we need in this the location we play at, like
we need a guy who can throw through these strong
wins late in the year. And you know, holds on
the ball and bad element, bad weather, and is big
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and strong, just like Ben Roethlisberger was.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
So you know, it's certain teams attack it. You know.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Another one that jumps out to me will always be
Drew Brees bringing him down to the Saints in New Orleans.
Like he is the perfect type of quarterback to play indoors, right,
not the strongest arm when there's no win, no type
of rain, anything like that, and he's indoors. He's perfect
pain manning. Think about those years of the Colts.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
It was. It was perfect.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Like he hated playing outdoors, playing with the wet ball.
So yeah, I just think it's interesting. There's certain teams
that do adjust to and attack it in different ways
where you know, my view of it is, I agree
with that home field's dying in many ways, and there's
certain teams though that it feels like it's not right.
I feel like the Eagles have an advantage at playing
at home. I feel like the Lions had an advantage
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of plane at home. There's certain teams that I do
think that does matter to you where I think we
both agree, right, Chad, the Rams and the Chargers, do
they really have any type of home field.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
No.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
So I do agree with a lot of this stuff
that there's some certain teams that, yeah, there is literally zero.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Difference playing on the home or on the road for
those teams.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Well, look, I feel like there's strategic value that you're
talking about, and that's to me what makes the real difference,
the ability to control your crowd to play to your advantage.
The Saints did it with Drew Brees. Peyton Manning did
it with the Colts. The stadium would be so quiet
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when they were on offense. You could hear in the
press box. Peyton Manning called the plays right because he understood,
and the crowd understood, like they were very knowledgeable football fans.
They had been trained. And I think that you cannot
intimidate football players with noise anymore. I would say, you know,
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create the kind of environment that Steve Balmer has created
at the new Stadium arena that the Clippers play at,
because he's got all the fans that are basically standing
the whole time. But that's real intimate and you're in
the player's grill while they're shooting free throws. I don't
think you're going to be able to do that in
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a football environment if you turn it into something that
is akin to soccer. You go to the stadiums in
the EPL, and you know, you've got the flags that unfurl,
that are going from top of the stadium to bottom
of the stadium, and people are standing the whole time. Hey,
you're never going to get Americans to do that, like
stand the entire time. There's too much sitting, there's too
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much dead time, Like, there's not enough sort of discipline
to get an entire stadium to do what they do
in the EPL. But I also think football players just
aren't going to be intimidated by that. I guess just
not part of the culture. They're not going to care.
It's not going to matter.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
They're not.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
I mean, you hear more players get intimidated by the
moment then more so than the stadium.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Right, they talk about that a lot.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
And yeah, like you know, I don't think anyone go
when Dallas built that new stadium. I don't think anyone
went down there when they were all struck, right, they
weren't not playing well because they had a bigger screen
in the middle of the field to look up at
jumbo tron.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
So I'm with you Chad.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
It's times have changed though, but like I still do
think there is advantage to certain teams where you know,
Buffalo build an indoor stadium, it just feels like it's sacrilege.
Like I just thinking of the games we've had of
them having these January games or these late December games
up in Buffalo. My favorite game ever will always be
that Patriots game where Belichick ran the ball fifty times.
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I think Mac Jones threw it twice, and it was just, yeah,
I hope they're not building interstateum matter. I hope you're right.
It's just it just seems like every day I hear
different stories about what's going on Buffalo. Just to me,
Buffalo outdoors in the cold, I love everything about it.
It's just one of my favorite football venues. That And
you know, you have the same thing with the Bears.
Like the Bears never having a guy throw for over
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four thousand yards has a lot to do with their
stadium and just the way the location of it is
where their team, their team that's never drafted that big
arm quarterback, they always just lent it to. We're a
running back first organization. We've been that way for a
whole history because where we play, so a lot of
teams do lean into what they've been historically.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yesterday, I was procrastinating and so I went on TikTok,
which is what I like to do. And in my
TikTok feed, maybe the longest TikTok I've ever seen was
a rebroadcast basically of past summer All and John Madden
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calling the first round playoff game, the first playoff game
between the in nineteen eighty five seasons. So it was
January nineteen eighty six between the Bears and the Giants,
and it was about twenty below at Soldier Field that day.
I was at the game. It was like January fifth,
nineteen eighty six, and it was gloryus. How much fun
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it was. And like in the broadcast, Brett Musburger is
opening it and talking about the weather and showing the
scoreboard saying, don't let frost bite bite. You go to
these stations if you feel uncomfortable for relief. And I
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remember being bundled up. I remember like where I was sitting.
I remember the plays that were happening in front of me.
It was magical, totally totally magical. That's the advantage, like
handling the elements. I don't think there's anything a crowd
can do. I think it's about strategically drafting, right. I
think it's about how a quarterback can control the crowd.
And I think it's about the elements. Those are the things.
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Those are the things I would try to build into
home field advantage. Agree all right, Offensive and rookie Offensive
and defensive Rookie of the Year markets are up at FanDuel.
At least, I'm going to lift a couple of them
for you. Offense Ashton Gent plus two seventy, cam Ward
(18:24):
plus three eighty, Travis Hunter plus seven fifty. I have
an immediate opinion.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah, I've only made two bets.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I immediately you obviously know I love cam like board,
I'm all about Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I grabbed that one immediately.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
I just think he should be the odds on favorite
in my opinion. The next one might check a little bit.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Hampton. I grabbed him for the Chargers. I just love
I love the spot.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
The opportunity, and the fact that you know it's it's
never the one that everyone thinks is coming right. There's
always sometimes the outside guy, and this feels like a
nice spot for him. And our run first type of
offense that you know, if he hits this, give me
an absolute mega player for them going forward.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Like he just seems like it's a horriball guy. He's
going to try.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
To feed this running back, even though I know they
have other guys there. The fact they took him in
the first round, that pick that they did. Historically guy's
taking the first round are usually the guy coming right out.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
So I like that. I like that value at fourteen
to one.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, I mean, look, it makes sense. It's what Harbaugh
is trying to build in Los Angeles with that team.
I saw this great clip the other day. I think
it might have been on Rich Eisen show. Harbut said
he shot up in the middle of the night and
said to himself, I've got to get Justin Herbert into
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the Hall of Fame. He said, If I get Justin
Herbert into the Hall of Fame, then everything we were
hoping to do we did. If he's going to get
into the Hall of Fame, he's probably got to win
a couple of Super Bowls. If we're going to win
super Bowls, we've got to build a team like X,
Y and Z right and so, so he is thinking
so big picture and so intensely about justin Herbert. He's
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waking up in the middle of the night to get
this guy into the Hall of Fame. I think you're
not wrong. It starts with running a much better offense
and controlling the ball and not putting in the position
where he has to be scrambling at the end of
a game with a shitty offensive line and trying to
get the ball downfield. But I immediately saw cam Warden
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and was like, if he's not the shortest ohs, then
I'm betting him.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
And I also go back to the Herbert point.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
I think Harville just needs to get that first playoff
win then then maybe start thinking getting the.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Herbert to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
All right, that's that's pretty insane that Herbert Herbert Hall
of Fame talk. The guys in year five or six
doesn't have a playoff win yet. But yeah, for me, Chad,
I'm with the award. It just feels like the easy
bet right now. Right this is such a QB award,
like for anyone else to get it, it really has
to be a down year for the Cobs and I
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just like we talked about why I love Tennessee at
plus eight hundred eight to one to win their division.
It's like a week division on a team that has
a pretty good defense, that has weapons offense, The offensive
line improved every week last year. It's it's all there.
If cam wor can come in and just take that
next step. Like we've seen these you know, we've seen
CJ come out and do it. We saw Jane Daniels
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do it. I get it, like we're not gonna have
one of these guys every year. But this just lines
up with cam Ward here where it's like he's falling
into a nice spot if he's comfortable, Like you just said,
this is this feels like crazy odds. So I really
liked that we're getting him not as number one, it's
the number two in the value.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah, I actually started to like the idea of Tennessee
a little bit more. Yeah, to win that division.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Look at that division.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
But it also lines up. You know, it's funny. Someone
commented in the YouTube comments on at Route Real Chad
moment at Real Chad, No.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
It's a lace. You're going to YouTube comments.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Well, you know what I get like alerts when people comment,
And so I looked at it, but they were they
were coming after us because we said we liked the
Patriots as value to win the AFC East. And of course,
like it might have been Matt Mitchell like just coming
after me.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
But you know, I said the top, the Bills deserve
to be a big, huge favorite, that they're by far
the best team in that division.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah, the Bills, you know, defensive line has improved, whatever
it was. And I was like, look, I'm not saying
the Bills aren't great. I'm just saying if you look back,
every year, there is always a surprise division winner, and
the formula tends to be first or second year quarterback,
first or second year coach. Right, think about the Giants
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with Brian Dayball. Think about what the Texans with CJ.
Shroud and Demico Ryans. Think about the Bengals a few
years go, right when it was Joe Burrow and Zach Taylor.
Think about like every single year there is always a
surprise and it always ends up being something in that pattern.
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We liked it for Vrabel and Drake May, but just
easily be cam Ward and Brian Callahan, which in a
much weaker division.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah, and let it be known now I'm going to
have ten times the amount of money on Tennessee divisional odds,
and I will on the Patriots ods. We're just saying
in that spot, we thought the Patriots are good value
because what Chad just outlined year two jump quarterback head coach,
that combo, we're hoping for the best. If you want
to play it safe, we said it, throw the bills
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and whatever type of parlay you want to make divisional odds,
there's nothing wrong with throwing the Bills in there. They're
by far the best team in that division and there
should be minus two to fifty rare the hell they
were at the when we were talking about them.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
All right, question about defensive Rookie of the year, this
one's fun. Abdua Carter plus two fifty, Jalen wo plus
seven hundred, Travis Hunter plus one thousand, and then it
goes on and on and on. Anyone on the board
that I didn't mention just now because I've got an opinion.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Like Mike Green and Johat Campbell could be guys that
could be great. Like you know, Mike Green is someone
that has a ton of talent, obviously a ton of bagage.
You can google look it up. Why he did fall
to the Ravens. We've seen the Ravens do this all
the time, Right, they take a guy who's got issues,
tons of talent, straighten them out. He's gonna fit right
into that defense. He could be an absolute stud and
a steel for that team. And same with Campbell Man.
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If this kid is legit playing the number two linebacker
for the Eagles, or if he ends up being an edge,
he could be a stub. But for to me, each
had just a value. How do you not take Walker
like this kid is an absolute stud on a defense
that has zero pass russ ability In Atlanta they're one
of the worst worst d end groups and all the NFL.
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They're instantly getting a guy who could have been a
top ten pick, ton of raw of talent. If he
goes there and he's incredible, I get why he's at
number two, like him being the second odds on favorite
ahead of Travis Hunter. To me, that's price right by
the sportsbooks, But I think there's still value there. I
have a closer plus five hundred plus seven hundred plus
seven to fifty a couple different books.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I'll take that by on Walker Travis Hunter.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Tend to one dude come on. Think about it. Think
about it. Jalen Walker will have to be so brilliant.
He'll need double digit sacks, and he'll need to be
in a position where that team is getting so much
spotlight and playing in a Marquee game at least once
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or twice, and his highlights are all over social media.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
He's in the right division for it, though you'd agree,
right the Saints, the Panthers, and the Bucks.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Well, what I would say about that is that he's
not because he's not a guy who automatically his team
is going to be playing in primetime games right right, right,
So he's going to need a viral campaign where every
week it's like when Micah Parsons was blowing up and
you're like, oh my god, look at what this guy
is doing. Oh my god, look at what this guy
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is doing. Travis Hunter, if he plays twenty five percent
of the time on defense and let's say he gets
four picks, all right, all of those are going to
be all over social media. All of those are going
to lead Sports Center with Scott Van Pelt, all of
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those are going to be discussed. Everybody wants to see.
It's a narrative.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Award, don't do not bet Travis Hunter for defense.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Ten to one. People are going to want that.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
There's no way. I just don't think he's gonna play
enough for you. I get what you're saying, but.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
It's just I don't know, I get like from from
your point of view, though, this is going to probably
be the most beat guy, and the fact that the
books are just keeping.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Him at plus a thousand should scare you off.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Because this he's got a really diehard fan base that
are Bettingham right now. And you know, it's gonna be
interesting where we're at in August where the books report
where the money is on these different spots.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I really think the public's gonna hammer that. From your
same point of view.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Of just you know, he could win this award, but yeah,
someone just said in our chat, the cornerbacks just don't
win it. And he really has to be, you know,
one of the most hyped up unicorns we've ever had
coming to the sport.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I mean, like I.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Told you, I will forever hold I don't want a
bad enouth to people because they want our show. But
comparing him to Aatani to me, was the dumbest thing
I've ever heard of my life. Like one guy is
built like the biggest freak I've ever seen in person.
I don't think people understand how huge Otani is and
how jacked he is, and he's playing a.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Non contact sport.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Trastunter is, you know, skinny as hell playing a contact
sport trying to play both sides. Again, it's just not
going to happen. I'm telling you, it's not going to happen.
So yeah, I get where Chad's coming from. I just
I wouldn't do it. There's just so much has to
go your way and it just never happens. Cornerbacks never
win this award because the jump from college, let alone
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the Big twelve, to being in the NFL playing corner
it's so extreme.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I just I can't see him winning this award.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Travis Hunter tend to one. Honest to god, he gets
four picks and makes you know, three highlight wheth he
plays on defense. People are fucking suckers. They just don't are.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
The voters are suckers. Everyone wants to be validated for
saying I'm with you. I think it's idiotic to be
saying this guy, to be having conversations about this guy
playing aggressively both ways, but they took it so seriously
in the draft coverage, they talked about it so much.
One guy was saying, I forgot who it was. Was like,
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it's actually easier to do it in the NFL because
there's fewer plays. It was just like people are trying
to will this to be a thing. Travis Hunter like
at ten to one, someone wants to make this happen.
And when someone wants to make something happen in the NFL,
fucking happens.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Favorite stadium arena you've been in, and the stadium you've
never been in that you would love to travel to
for a game.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I mean, I'll be biased, like Citizens Bank Park. I
just it's a very special place for me. And you know,
I'm a big Phillies fan, and I see the VET
would be number one as an old Eagles fan. Great
memories of being in the VET in the nineties, tons
of losing. I was there for that Tampa game in
the freezing cold as well, where it was guaranteed we're
going to beat Tampa.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
They don't win in the cold, and a pick six
by Barber and it was all downhill from there. So yeah,
for base.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Being a fan base, you know, Eagles fan, I would say,
that's that's really special for me a team.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I can't believe I'm going to say this.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
It's It's probably the best ballpark I ever went through,
just being nostalgic as a little kid. Was Yankees Ballpark,
Like when I was a kid going there, you know, knowing.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
All the history.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I feel like there was a wall with all the
different players pictures on it, and there was like some
Hall of Fame walk through in there and just all that.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
It's called Monument Park.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah, so that was in the old Yankee Stadium.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
It was just crazy thinking back to that, and then
I guess Stateium. I want to go to Chad knows Cubs.
I wanted to go there when we were in Chicago.
I wanted to catch a game. It's always been on
my bucket list. I'm just never in Chicago when they
either Cubs were playing at home or like, it just
doesn't line up right. So that's that's still my number one.
I just got to get the Wrigley at some point
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in my life.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
You know what, You and I we got to go
to a day game at Wrigley. Seriously, because I went
to Chicago. I'll make it work the the you know,
I'm going to talk right about this in the book,
But the guy who invented the point spread lived in
Chicago and spent so many days at Wrigley Field for
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day games, betting with his neighbors that he was sitting
next to. And so you know, and now the Cubs
they've got a DraftKings sportsbook at Wrigly and I want
to go to the game and sit in stands. You
should come with me as a better Uh, it would
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be really fun. Wriggly for sure. I feel like you
can't answer this question without count accounting for sort of
the emotional elements.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Go look Wriggly in the World Series when they beat
the Indians and it was they were down three to
two and heading back to Cleveland. That's going to be
as good as it gets, right, being a soldier field
for the playoffs for the eighty five season, for that
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Giants game and then the Rams, like, that's brilliant. It's
never going to be topped being at the old Chicago
Stadium when Michael Jordan would have it rocking. Of course,
like other people might not feel that way, but I'm
going to feel that way. I would say the best
one I've ever been in, not emotionally connected, has to
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be Death Valley at LSU easily the most electric, exciting
in stadium experience I've ever had.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I was a game, who were they playing?
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Twenty twelve night game Saturday night against Alabama. Wow, Bama
was one, LSU was five or something.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
To score nine to six. Those were like the nine six, twelve.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Ten years Bama won like on the last drive of
the game, a comeback. I had been there for ESPN,
the magazine we used to these issues called one Day,
one Game, where we would cover the whole issue would
be dedicated to everything it takes to pull off this
huge event. So we were at the tailgate, we were
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in the locker room. We were in the Crimson Tide
locker room. When they're hanging up the uniforms. We've got
a sort of photo booth set up with fans who
come through. Actually behind me on the wall you can
see like some of the pictures that we took from that,
I'm right in front of it. But that one right
there is from the very end of the game, after
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LSU had lost. That was two fans just sitting there
alone at the top of the stadium because they were
so dejected. That was the last page of the magazine
for that issue. But jeez, that that was insane and
the stadium. I'd want to go to Wembley for a
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for a football match. How do you not want to
go to Wembley for a football match?
Speaker 2 (34:06):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
I mean I've been to Manchester for a match like
that was obviously life changing.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
But yeah, it's as an American.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
I tell anyone that ever asked me, if you can
get to a football match, any club really does not matter.
Just get in there, get with the fans, have a
couple of drinks, and get singing. It's just it really
changed your perspective as an American fan going over to England
seeing a match.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Uh oh. Our listeners are like this one. What is
one food you'd love to make your co host eat?
Are you ready? Do you want to know what mine is?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I think you'd love it. I'd like you to have
cottage cheese.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I'm already out with but I think I can make
some type of cottage.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I think I can make it completely edible for you. Okay,
it's cottage cheese. And there's like a brand called good
cottage cheese, and it's delicious. It's thicker, so it's not
like runny like your nineteen seventies cottage cheese that comes
with peaches. You put some date caramel in there. You
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know what date caramel is. No, Oh, my god, dad,
caramel is the best. You take the dates, you take
out the pits. You pour boiling water over the dates.
You let them sit for fifteen minutes. You take them out,
you put them in a blender. You put in half
a can of coconut milk, a little cinnamon, a little vanilla.
You blend it and you've got like this creamy, delicious,
(35:39):
healthy sweetener. You put a spoonful of date caramel in there,
and you take some roasted nuts and you uh, and
then you put like an apple or some blueberries or raspberries,
any kind of fruit you like, and you mix it up. Simon,
It's it's freaking heaven. It's so good and very healthy breakfast.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
All right, So I'm gonna go to complete ops away.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
I was trying to think, what, like, I have a
couple of different foods that are my go to as
a guy who's a bigger guy. We have every bigger
guy's sad food what food we go to and we're sad.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
So whenever we have a bad.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Losing day on this show, especially when we do our
Sunday night shows, as soon as I hop on here,
this is seriously the low of lows, I'll door dash
from Cinabun and I will get a cinnabun. And that's
why I would love to see Chatty an eight hundred
thousand calories cinnabun with just pure sugar, nothing, nothing healthy,
and it just cooked by some seventeen year old and
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some mall somewhere. That's just terrible. I would love to
see you eat a cinnamon which I absolutely love.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
By the way, you know what's crazy. You just mentioned
it was your sad food. It was my sad and
lonely food too. Back in the day. So when I
when I was writing The Odds, which was the best
selling book I did about sports betting, you know, in
the early twoth I would be in Vegas for multiple
(37:06):
days on end, and then I'd take a red eye
back from Vegas to New York. I usually on Sunday
nights at the I'd like go straight from the sports
book to the airport and I'd hop on the plane,
but it would be getting late, and there weren't a
lot of things that were open then, and so the
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saddest food you could have is the cinnabon on the
way to your gate, just getting through security at mccaren Airport.
And I would sit there in the under the fluorescent
lights two hours before my plane left, because I was
stuck in no man's land and it's a red eye
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and I'm having this sinnabon and it's just filling me
up and making me sick. And then I got to
go take out my contacts and walk onto the plane blind,
and I I got to try to fall asleep. And
the next day I gotta go to work. I'd land
and have to go right to work, take a bus
from freaking Newark Airport into the city. That was my
(38:10):
saddest meal. You're right, I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Let's say you've never hit rock bottom until you're trying
to send him on your PLUSK fork just snaps in
half because.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
It's such an ultimate process. Sure, cooking the heater for
three days.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Why can't they just make the fork stronger at the cinema?
Speaker 2 (38:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
It's so true, all right, there are some season long
Saquon Barkley markets available, Simon specifically you any thoughts on
any markets that are available, you know, can he break
the season rushing record or anything that you want to
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take a look at.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Yeah, Like, again, this is my job people as a fan,
obviously I want Saquan to have great things happened to him.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
He crossed the most dangerous.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Number in all football chat he crossed the two K number,
and we have his store of data to back it
up where it's it's never good. And you know, my
mindset of it is, this guy is the freak of freaks.
He left some yards on the field that he could
have easily got way more yards than he even did.
And he's only going to get better year two behind
this offensive line, and it should be great. But we've
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seen the numbers, like if you want to bet against it,
you're gonna make money long term betting against.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
The player after rushing for two K.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
So my mentality of it, I mean it sucks to
be negative, is I'll take all of his unders.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
It's just it's just the way you have to do it.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
It's all of it's gonna be peaked value at this point,
it's going to be an easy bet for most public.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Betters, but I would say, just run it from far away.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
It's just gonna be, you know, a number bumped up
too much to ever have value on it. So yeah,
I hate to be the negative one, but I'm down
obviously on Saquon.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Coming to this upcoming season.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Breaking New y sovereignty, winner of the Kentucky Dribby will
not be running in the preetness. I don't have any
other information. I only have what's in the chat from
what I assume is Gifford, who was also telling me
that the game I referenced LSU Alabama AJ McCarran to TJ. Weldon.
(40:19):
I think it was a screen to win the game
twenty one seventeen. I'll also say my other sad food.
When I was in high school and my girlfriend broke
up with me a week after prom because she wanted
to date a dude who she had always had a
crush on, who had just broken up with his girlfriend
and she always wanted dat him before they graduated. She
was a year older little Frozen Sarah Lee cheesecakes, and
(40:47):
I was eating them on top of my covers on
a trundle bed in my tidy whities watching Saturday Night
Live when my parents came home from being out and
my dad walked into my room and saw me and
looked at me and said, she dumped you. Huh said yeah.
He said that was like that looks like it hurts,
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and then he left.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
God, I wish Barry was my dad.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Dude, you know Barry, you know Barry.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
He's the best.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Oh my god. Barry also in that room, stayed with
me all night after I was puking while drinking Jack
Daniels to celebrate getting into Tulane University, and then made
me get up at six am to go work at
the pharmacy where I had a weekend job, and I
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had a seven am shift and they sent me home
about two hours later because I couldn't keep anything down.
Oh god, Oh yeah, Barry, he was one for the
work ethic. All right, last question before we get out
of here, hold on wordd I lost it here for
a second. Oh this was the best one. Shdor Sanders?
Will Dor Sanders be the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns? Really,
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the market is who will be the starting quarterback for
the Cleveland Browns? Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Uh, Dylan Gabriel,
Dr Sanders. Who are you betting on right now?
Speaker 2 (42:17):
I mean, how do you not bet Flacco?
Speaker 3 (42:20):
It just feels like he's the type of guy who's
played the offense before, knows what to do, and he'll
have a step up in all these young kids fighting for,
you know, the positions behind him. I feel like, as
much I want to make it Sanders that I just
he would really have to wow them right away, Chad.
So yeah, for me, I'll go boring, I'll go Joe.
Flacco just feels like he's gonna have a leg up
on all of them because you know, he's just seen
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it all and that's just that's a big deal, especially
where you know these guys not only a they're playing
for you know, the number two, number three job. Someone's
gonna lose their job, right They're not carrying four guys
into the season, So yeah, it's I can't see Kenny
Pickett beaten out Flacco, but I could see Sanders go
for his money because I do think he has a
ton of talent.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Oh, I think this is Shador sanders job to lose.
He is gonna come in.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Do you see the video of the team when they
drafted him, the GM and the coach.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
They didn't look happy, no, but they're gonna be. If
de Door Sanders is coming in, he's gonna fight for
that job. He's gonna win that job. He's gonna be
the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. They got nothing
to lose. They're not gonna win anything with Joe Flack,
or they're not gonna win anything with Kenny Picky. You
might as well find out now. Is shud or Sanders
going to be the guy or are you gonna tank
immediately to go into the next year and get one
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of these quarterbacks that everyone says is sort of gonna
make up a much better quarterback class. I think it's
gonna be Sugar Sanders love it. I think Kenny Pickett's
gonna get cut. All right. Simon and I will return
with our next episode of The Favorites Thursday on the
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