May 29, 2025 • 43 mins
Beloved broadcaster Jason Benetti joins the show today, telling some terrific stories to Action Network hosts Chad Millman and Simon Hunter. Jason is the television voice of the Detroit Tigers, a national broadcaster for Fox Sports and the owner of the hardest workin' vocal cords in the business. Together the boys discuss his favorite college football moment, life on the road as a MLB announcer, and so much more. #Volume
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast part of the Volume
podcast Network.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I am Chad Moment of the Action Network Today.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I'm joined as always by my co host, my companion,
my Campadre, my BFF professional better Simon Hunter Ros.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I am in Chad. How are we doing?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Brother? Your son a little froggy.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
It's early in the morning.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Brother, I'm not I'm not a married man with kids.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
I feel like.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
In the morning. So yeah, I've heard by.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
This time in the morning. I have fed the dog,
I have fed my kid. I have defended myself from
dirty looks for walking into the room where my kid
was just to give him his food. I have exercised,
I have showered, I have prepped for our podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I am rated a role. I'm gonna need a nappy.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Well, I went to bed.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I went to bed two hours ago. So that's that.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
It perfectly sums up the level we're on right now
in different ways.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Why did you go to that two hours ago?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Because life's fun. I'm not going to tell you what
I did, but I had a good night, let's just
put it that way. And yeah, nothing criminal, mainly maybe
a new video game came out chat who knows either way.
I literally do whatever I want. I'm living the dream.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Brother.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
It's amazing we're BFFs because you and I are living
entirely different lives. You know who's got an exciting life
our guest, because he is not only living the dream,
he is considered by many, including myself, to be one
of the very best sports broadcasters working today.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
He's been on the show before.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
He's the television play by play voice of the Detroit
Tigers and so many other games, college basketball, college football,
you name it, he's doing it. He's the host of
the Have a Seat podcast. Some of the hardest working
vocal cords in the business. Welcome back to the show,
Jason Bennetti.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Gentlemen, how are you?
Speaker 5 (02:06):
I think my life is somewhere in between you two.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Well, that's because you're on the road every single night.
Basically you work nights. I mean you basically you're basically
like a lounge singer.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Yeah, honestly, that's not far that's not far from the truth.
There's a dire straight song called all the Road Running.
It's just it's Mark Knoepfler. I think that's pretty much
my life. That or up in the air with George Clooney,
But I don't know which is sadder.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
If it's a alla.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Matt Mitchell, our producer who you graciously hosted, ed a
Brewers Tigers game earlier this season.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I thought that was a class act.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
His favorite call of yours was twenty twenty two College
football TCU at Baylor. TCU as the ball they're down
to with twenty two seconds left, third and seven Baylor
twenty six yard line with no timeouts for TCU. If
they lose, they lose a shot at the college football playoff.
(03:17):
Can you tell our listeners what happens next?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (03:22):
So yeah, I almost like get emotional thinking about this
moment because and that's so cheesy, right, Like it's a
sports play by play call, right, but it's everything you
want in a team concept emotionally. So like you know
those big moments where a play by play person yells
and it's just the play by play announcer and it
(03:43):
sounds like, you know whatever, Like it sounds great, but
when you do it together, it just means a lot,
you know, because you know that you've kind of it's
like a great scene in a movie that you build
off of each other to make sure that that you're
both feeling the emotion of it. Like I have some
(04:03):
actor friends who've told me, like, when you see two
actors sitting at a diner right and the camera is
over one of their shoulders, it's not always that that
second person is in the scene. As the person who's
talking is looking straightforward, they might be doing that alone.
I've had actor friends tell me that they respect most
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the actors who will sit opposite them and give them
the emotional reaction for them to feed off of so
they can have that real human concept that is this.
So TCU runs the ball without timeouts to set the
ball all up in the middle of the field, and
(04:47):
then they absolutely fire drill three alarms, send their kicker
on running with the field goal unit. As time is
ticking away like sand is moving fast from the hour glass.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Gravity is pulling harder for some.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Reason, and they are sprinting this kicker onto the field
so he can make the biggest kick of his life
and nothing will surpass that as the biggest kick of
his life, as we found out, like his name's Griffin Kel.
They absolutely nail it and win the game. But in
that moment, you know, I say, it's a run on
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third down. Brock gets some urgency in his voice. I
join in. I'm a little more urgent than Brock. They
build the line, the offensive line. As they're doing it,
we're kicking up the energy piece by piece. He nails it.
I make the call. Brock jumps in and says wow,
(05:48):
and then says, I don't believe what we just saw,
or some version of that. But it was every level
that they went to, you know, almost like a like
a menu at a buffalo wing restaurant where it's like, oh,
there's this many chili peppers. No, no, no, no, there are
this many chili peppers and this many. We did it
(06:10):
together and we felt the energy, and I remember very
distinctly there is a moment after we're done narrating it
where it's just the scene that Brock and I were
like if you had the snoop cam in the booth.
Brock and I are looking at each other just like wow,
and Brock says, I am shaking.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Third down, another run de mercado. Then you get on
the field, Yeah, it got a hustle.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Here a run and now it's a total scramble.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
Emergency mode for the unbeaten horn Frogs. Hipno toad in
a hurry Griffin con for the wind Ta CEO.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
It's undefeated stew whoa unreal.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
I am shaky. I can't believe what Sonny.
Speaker 7 (07:09):
Dykes just did.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
That is a walk off, really a runoff.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
For the ages.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
It's the genesis of my Brock impression, which I am
very excited about. But like, everything is a little extra
emotional in that moment. And then you have a guy
who is so good because he's done a lot of
talk radio, He's so good at getting the emotion out
of moments, and I think that was really it was
our first of three seasons together, and that was the
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moment that I think we would both and our entire
crew would look fondly on and say, like, I think
that's kind of when we hit the pocket.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
So you're in Saint Louis. You travel constantly. You do
every single sport. I like, because I watch every Bulls game.
I've heard you do Bulls games, both preseason games and
like early season games when Adam amin might be on
the road for Fox. And I know you do college basketball.
I know you do college football obviously doing the Tigers,
(08:16):
like Travel Warrior, Travel Nightmare. Do you subscribe the theory
that you get paid for the travel and the rest
is fun. How do you manage the travel? Where do
you never want to go again?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Oh wow?
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Hat tip to the Trailblazers by the way for giving
me five games this year and letting me stay on
the NBA circuit. So because I did enjoy it a
great deal and very small nod to them. You talk
about the stat Cast show, what they do with Tom
Haberstrow reminds me of a lot of Petriello, and so
I felt very much at home just bringing it full
(08:54):
circle with what they do that I can probe the
depths of Tom when I fill it for Kevin, who
has been so super generous to me. The place I
never want to go to again is an absolute trap
because if I go back there, they.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Will remind me of that. You know.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
My first year doing minor league baseball, I was with
a team in Salem, Virginia, where our parking lot was
where Borat went to the rodeo.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
In my country, they take them and they take them
to jail. In Finnish take them ounta and hang them. Yes,
half five.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
So I was with this team in Salem and our
first road trip we went to Northern Virginia. It's a
team that's now defunct. They've moved, and I believe the
hotel probably no long longer is standing. But most of
the team got bed bugs from that hotel, so I'd
rather not go there ever again. Thanks for that. I'd
also rather not go to the hotel in New York
(09:54):
City during college basketball season this season where the fire
alarm went off four time. I'm in a two hour
span and I was, I swear to you, I was
on a seven hundred and forty second floor. I don't
remember what floor it was, but I think it was
seven forty two. So yeah, no thanks on that. But
I actually I had a couple announcers, and I actually
(10:15):
felt this way too, say to me, like older announcers,
really revered announcers say to me during COVID, if they
never let us travel again this once we were traveling
once more, if they never let us.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Travel again, I would have quit.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
And I actually feel the same way, because you can't
do it justice, you can't do it right without being
at the game in the city. And so I actually
I remind myself even when travel is tough, like I've
had a couple cross countries for Fox this year, and
I don't care. I'm like, as long as I know
when I need to when I get to sleep next,
(10:51):
when I get to have that one night of sleep,
that's kind of my reset button. I'm good because I
didn't miss it a great deal when we weren't travel
when I was sitting at home in twenty twenty off
a kit in my living room, like making leftovers and
doing Korean baseball games from Chicago, like, I really missed it.
I missed the travel. I missed it a lot twenty
(11:13):
twenty one, like I was very vocal about the White
Sox not traveling TV and Major League Baseball not traveling TV,
and you know, you don't know what the plot's going
to look like twenty pages later when you're in the
middle of the story. I didn't know if we were
ever going to travel again. There seemed to be some
networks who were pretty comfortable, you know, regionally, and then
(11:35):
you know, teams, teams, but also networks but also leagues
that kind of were okay with it for a little while,
but a lot of us pushed back. And I think
it was important because you don't get the same entertainment
value out of a game done from a studio.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
You just don't.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
You're in Saint Louis today, one of my favorite talents
where my mommy is from. Do you know why the
date October second, twenty eighteen is significant?
Speaker 5 (12:02):
I think that was Cubs Rockies wild Card Day.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
That's exactly what it was.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
It was the first ever MLB stat cast on ESPN.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
You were the play by play.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
To this day, it is the best baseball broadcast I've
ever heard.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I'm not even kidding, Simon, I don't know why you're laughing, Like.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Uh, the most shocking port chat is the fact that
the Rockies were in the wild card round. That's probably
that's the most shocking car of this conversation.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
They were good back then.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
They were.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
That was like, by the way, talking about Saint Louis
Nolan Ernatto, I think that's like when he was sort
of in his prime. And I think they won that
game actually, but I couldn't even tell you the final score.
I think it was, actually I can't tell you. I
think it went extra innings and I think the Rockies
won two one. But Jason, truly that was a revelatory broadcast,
(13:05):
like loved every second of it. And I remember I
had just left ESPN to launch Action less than a
year earlier. And one of the reasons like we launched
Action is because I just didn't think ESPN was going
to get it, like when it came to this kind
of information that would engage fans in an accessible way,
(13:27):
and that broadcast did that. I remember emailing Phil Orleans,
who you know, is the producer of MLB's broadcasts, and
I'm like, this was fucking ridiculous. And I feel like
when you were in the moment, explain to people like
what that was, because I do think it was transformative.
Explain to people how it came about, and your partner
it and what you thought of it.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Yeah, man, you just hit me right in the heart
because that show changed my life in some ways, not
just career wise, but just informationally.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
You know.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
The whole goal for us for that show was to
be not really different. I think that would be the
inclination is like, hey, let's be different. Our goal for
that show was to make sure that if it was
on the screen, it was really specifically relevant, Like it
made sense to this moment, it made sense to this
(14:21):
specific player. The graphics when we walked up a player
like this was his best attribute, this is how he
might impact the game. And Mike Petriello, who works for MLB,
he's a stat cast guru. With his help, you know,
I got to really understand exactly how powerful the information.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Can be that we had.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
But you know it was it was Eduardo Perez, Mike,
and myself in the booth. Andy Jacobson was our producer
who's now the producer of Sunday Night Baseball on ESPN,
the main show, and we all got together and basically
just said, hey, let's make this information sing as much
as possible, as specifically as possible. And my first recollection
(15:08):
from that day is when we were having our meeting,
we had breakfast at the hotel in downtown Chicago, and
I was living there at the time, so I went
from home to the hotel and we were talking about
all this information and I said to the group, I said, hey,
is there still time for us to tell stories? And
I remember Phil phil Orleans who you mentioned, jumping in
(15:29):
and saying absolutely, like that should still be a part
of this show. But the information is different, and it
just kind of jigsaw puzzled in for me. At that
point where it was like, Okay, we are using stats
in the most muscular way possible while also keeping the
joy of baseball. And I remember distinctly, Shoot, I don't
(15:51):
remember who the player was, but I remember late in
that game we put up sort of a trivial pursuit
pie piece, like a whole pie of underneath a player.
It was a specialty graphic they had built for us
for his directional outs above average, and he was really
good one direction, and I swear to you, the next
(16:11):
batted ball was in that direction and he made the catch.
I don't remember who it might have been, like Charlie Culberson,
I don't remember who it was, but I just kind
of looked at Mike and he looked at me and
Eduardo and I are laughing, and it was just like,
oh man, we have fully unlocked the potential of what
baseball on television might be. So yeah, that was That
(16:32):
was an amazing night. We didn't we Mike. Mike found
a place for us to eat, and it was like
the wrong direction, Like we went further north instead of south,
back to the city, and we were all making fun
of him and like, but we didn't care.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I swear to you.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
I was up until four thirty in the morning just
buzzing on the high of teamwork.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Did you have a lot of experience or interest in
that kind of information Before that game.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
We kind of had a dry run by doing the
home run Derby. I think twenty eighteen was the first
time we did the derby, so we hadn't done on
a game here exactly right, There was no this was
the first time we rolled it out in a game broadcast,
but we did the derby, and I want to say
twenty eighteen was Washington. I want to say it was
it was NAT's Park with Bryce Harper and his dad
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just piping in fastballs like over and over and over again,
to the point where they were like, you're cheating, You're
throwing too many, you know, whatever it might be. But
so we did that, and you know, we could kind
of get a feel for what the information might be.
And so I had been able to, you know, kick
the tires on baseball savant and get to kind of
learn from myself over the course of the season in preparation.
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But then when you see it in play and you
see how like heat maps can show you exactly what
might happen in a game off a pitcher's hand, based
on specific matchups.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
It is.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
It's intoxicating in so many ways. And also we had
what I remember as like a fourteen inning game. But
we got off the air and I wasn't looking at
social media. But we got off the air, and I
remember people being like, well that went well, and I
was like, oh, how well? And then I looked at
social media and it was.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Like, do this more.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
That's the best thing ever, and like, you know, the
concept allowed us to be able to do that. But
we also happened to have in the booth two analysts
who are virtually egleless and so Eduardo and Mike can
you know. It wasn't like I think this camp and
I think that camp. That's not the point. Like that
is the really overly basic way to do a show
(18:44):
like that. It's like, well, I'm here for analytics, I'm
here for baseball garbage. That's garbage. That's not how this works.
How it works is you take the information, you funnel
it to a player, they tell you how it hits them.
We then ask follow ups to the person who's kind
of the information guy, and they talk to each other
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like human beings.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
But I think that's.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Why, you know, if I don't want to put words
in your mouth, Chad, but when you said like ESPN
might not get it, I feel like if you were
doing that as a as sort of like a hot
take show, it would devolve into just yelling at each
other about who's right. And that's entertaining for twelve seconds,
but not twelve innings.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
One of the topics that comes up often. I get
asked this all the time, and I'm sure people ask
Simon about this too, is that kind of stat cast.
It's really one nuanced piece of language away from being
a gambling cast.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I'm asked all the time, do you think that gambling
will be a regular part of broadcasts?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
My answer is usually know, because I don't know that
there's a big enough audience of gamblers that it's worth
incorporating it for the people who aren't gamblers. But do
you ever think about how to incorporate gambling information into
your broadcast? And you do every sport, so it's not
(20:16):
just for baseball, But do you think about that as
a circumstance or is something that is of value? How
do you consider that sort of new aspect of sports?
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Yeah, you know, it's a tough one for me because
of my multiple employments. You know, like I'm an employee
of the Tigers. I am not a gambler by definition,
can't be, but I wouldn't be anyway a sports gambler.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
So it's a tough question.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
But I also do play by play on FanDuel Sports Network, right,
so church and state are not as separate as they
used to be. And I you know, I'm not going
to be like Victorian England about this either in the
way that I perceive it, because you know, we do
the fandual home run ons on our Tigers games and
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all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
I can't do it, but I would say, you know,
like what I am, what I always marvel at in baseball.
This is going to be a little bit of a
generic answer, but it's only because like the specific answer
probably isn't worth it for me. But the kind of
generic answer is I marvel at how much information there
(21:28):
is that could help people if they wanted to just
follow the game, right, So I guess I would. I
would push back a little bit on like not even pushback,
but I don't know the distinction between information and gambling
information anymore. You know, like, I think all information could
be used to follow the game very specifically, step by step,
(21:49):
but we do. I will say this is the part
that I feel comfortable being very specific, and I think
it's I think it's some version of a novel thought.
You all be the judge. But you know, we spend
a lot of time in our baseball prep trying to
find tendencies. Like we had a game the other day
where a Red Sox starter was throwing a lot of
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sinkers to right handers that were pulling off the inside corner.
So you look at his heat map and there's this
red blob inside off the plate to right handers, so
his sinker is not a strike most of the time.
So we pulled that heat map because it was kind
of a novel lo and behold the first sinker he
throws to a right handed batter in the game is
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glabor torres any homers off of it, and it's in
off the plate and he like opens up to hammer it.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
And you know, the.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
First thought is, oh, my gosh, you can follow along
with anything through baseball savants, And then my second thought was, oh,
people could use this information, you know, like that did
run through my mind of like if if you're that good,
it's a little bit like and I don't want to
be like inside Trading tiptoe the line guy, but you know,
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like I read one of Jim Kramer's books in two
thousand and six and he's talking about listening to earnings
calls over and over again for like companies that have
had IPOs right, And so I think the information is
out there if you want to dive into it. But again,
the danger is danger. But like the the counterbalance of
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that is is everybody in baseball is looking for tendency breakers.
If your first pitch swing rate is four percent, at
some point you gotta bust that tendency. And so just
when you think you have it sized up, somebody does
something else completely different. And to me, informationally, that's the
fun of it. But I you know, that would be
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the thing that if you were somebody who's inclined to
place a wager on a sporting event, it might frustrate you.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Simon.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I know you're a big baseball fan. I know how
much you love the Phillies. When you watch a game,
do you watch it through the lens of information and analytics,
or because it's not a sport you bet on.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Is it just a purely visceral experience.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
I mean I do bet, I just don't better professionally,
So like if I'm getting good info, I always take
a position. But it's also like last night, perfect example,
as a Phillies fan, it was an easy bet.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
They're playing the Rockies. Okay, they open minus.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
I believe two fifty, and I say to myself, I'll
wait till it's live. Hope the Rockies get up one
or two. Sure enough, I think it was a third
or fourth inning, Rockies are up three to two. Take
a position on the Phillies at a plus number. I
think they end up winning the game, like nine to three.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Chets.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
So it's just those type of things. I'll take positions
on where the Rockies are so bad and you know
the pitching tendencies, and right now the Phillies are going
through an issue where their bullpend that we had a
guy basically tested positive for who knows what. But it's
funny where the market moves off of that. Where the
Phillies are a travel day, they're going to the Rockies
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play Colorado, and that number is usually the Rockies are
probably the worst team in baseball. The usual numbers minus
three hundred and guys I know who don't even bet.
They know how bad the Rockies are, so they'll bet
on that game. So that's the type of thing where
I think back in the day, that guy never bet
And that to me is the biggest difference now with
statue what Jason's talking about, where like I like that
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Jason's not out here acting like he knows what he's
talking about. When he works for a gambling company where
he's he stays in his lane and he does it
because it's part of his job. If they're like, hey, Jason,
give it out a home run guy, he'll do it.
I mean, he watches the game, he knows what he's
talking about. He's just letting people know, like I don't
do this for a living. I'm just doing as part
of the job.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
I like that there's more than baseball because I want,
I do want to hear from people like Jason who
are around the game a lot knows the game. But
he's not coming from from any type of angle, right,
He's just going strictly off what he knows, what numbers,
he follows and all of that. So to me, I know,
Jason went I love it because it's like it's a
new territory for him.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
I love people like.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Him getting into this type of stuff because it's something
that me loves gameling.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I love hearing his view of baseball through that lens.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
So yeah, it's my first question you, Jason, is just
do you hate it or if you embrace it a
little bit where it's it's just fun giving that perspective
on those step of numbers. Do you even hear from
fans about your your picks or anything like that? Are
you just are you just all about the job? So
I honestly don't build them like I don't. It's not
my choice. It's graphics that builds them.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Like I'm totally I'm very agnostic. Like I just I
it is a line that because I'm a team employee,
it's just not ever worth it. Like I will say, like, hey,
here are the fan dual home run odds and then
he's got this many or like we you know, like
looking into it, there's this matchup for that matchup. But
(26:48):
I really truly I give the information for the information's sake,
and if people want to use it for whatever purpose, right,
to like make fun of their little brother who doesn't
know as much about baseball or whatever it might be.
Like I I so, you know, like I've played blackjack.
I'm happy to go to Vegas and play blackjack like
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that is that's like I enjoy that. But I also
like it is just not worth it for me in
any way to go any closer, because you know, like
we we our producer said to me last week, like, hey,
you know they they want us to talk a little
bit about Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe and.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
All that stuff.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
And I was like, I don't really have one of
these like really strong opinions about this. And I also
don't know that I want to go into it because
if my opinion ends up being as I sus it out, like,
if my opinion ends up being, hey, they shouldn't be
allowed in the Hall of Fame. And I work for
FanDuel Sports Network, Like then what right?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Like that? Then what? So you know, I'm a.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
It's interesting because I'm a team employee and our games
are aired on FanDuel Sports Network, and I think, like
to your point, Chad, I think there's an alt cast
out there, like I really do think there's an alt
cast and teams have tried it. Teams have tried it
for sure, Like I know they tried it in Chicago,
like a specific gambling cast and things like that, and
(28:19):
I you know, I think you just have to figure
out exactly what the rules are that are going to
keep you employed. Like the only thing that stops me from,
you know, having a very open conversation is I'm a
team employee, and I like I cannot bet on baseball,
cannot will not not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
I always know, even when I don't know, like flipping
through the channels for a college football game or a
college basketball game, I know when it's a Benetti broadcast.
A because your voice is distinctive, but B there is
something funny and charming that you slip into were like
(29:00):
a reference that is good for the ten percent of
the pupil, but those ten percent that get it freaking
love it and then become sort of acolytes.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
You've done this.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
With the Tigers broadcasts, a couple of which have gone
a bit viral. One I think was you basically called
an entire inning as if you were golf announcers.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Right, explain sort of what happened.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
There, you could argue is that baseball was a sport
that actually could be called like golf. Very calming tapper,
and he just taps it to with a throw difference. Job.
There're two here on six, so the seven teabots, he yes.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Thank you for that.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
I would say again, I just told you I don't
gamble on sports, but I would say I would take
the under on ten percent of people understand the references,
maybe ten total people.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Well I'm one of them.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Thank you, thank you. I appreciate that. Jackson Job the
picture for the Tigers. His father is Brant Job, who
was a long time PGA tour golfer, and we had
a picture of Jackson caddying for Brant just before Jackson's
fourth birthday at the Masters way back in the day,
like eighteen and a half years ago, and so we
(30:22):
showed it earlier, but then we got into the thick
of the game. And I don't know what made me
do it, but maybe it's my partner, Andy Dirks, also
being a circus animal, and so I just started, you know,
as a golf person, and he came right with immediately,
and then we did it for I don't know, a
(30:42):
minute and a half, two minutes, and then broke character
and then told the Jackson job golf story again. And
you know, there was a time in my life where
that would have just been the whole thing, right, just
because it's fun to be golf announcers and it's fun
to laugh and enjoy life. I do as an aside,
I do think it's pretty funny when people tweet at us,
(31:06):
like you're laughing so much stick to the game, like
a dear sir or madam or whomever, I'm sorry, you're miserable,
sincerely us like imagining when you're eight, imagining a world
where somebody writes into you and says, laugh less that
(31:27):
is it's like you're reading the gringe that stole Christmas,
you know, like that, that's like what's going on there?
And so I just I think those are entertaining. But
the reason we did it is because of Jackson and
his story. And what I was going to say is
there was a time in my life where we had
just been really indulgent and done the golf voice because
(31:48):
it's funny, and he and I are a little bit
like Will Ferrell and John c Riley and stepbrothers, you know,
but it was about the kid and it's about his story,
and so I think I think that kind of helped it.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Land have you you've been with the Tigers now this
is your second season. Of course, you were with the
White Sox for many years before that, the favorite team
of Pope Leo the fourteenth.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
What's it like?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
And you're a Chicago guy, how are you enjoying Detroit?
How would you compare it to a Chicago baseball experience?
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Well, I thought this was going to be a pope
question because the Pope.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
The Pope lived for a while.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
New Pope lived for a while, like four blocks from
where I grew up in a Homewood, Illinois. So my
text thread was exploding from my high school friends and
I that day when we found out, like there's a
picture of New Pope at Aurelio's Pizza on the South
Side and like he knows to say, hey, use the
(32:56):
old oven at Aurelio's Pizza. So you know, we were
doing and like the whole like I wonder if the
Pope's ever been to Chuck's house at Magic or like
did he get his t shirts made at Knickknacks or
like all of.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
This stuff right outside of Chicago suburbs stuff. So yeah,
I thought I.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Was going to go there next. I was going to
ease your in with the question about Oroy.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
All right, so here's the answer. I'll give you the
answer about Detroit. I Detroit is an amazing sports town.
Like I knew it when I went there. You know,
I'd been there for.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
You picked a good time to go, though, you have
to admit totally yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Totally, totally, totally accurate, very accurate.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Like when when the town is like buzzing over Lions, Pistons, Tigers,
when for so long it was the Red Wings that
were propping up the town, You're like, oh, this all
could go write all at once very soon. So yeah,
I'm there at the very right time. That is one
hundred percent true. But that's part of the honestly. Like
(33:58):
I'm not saying that I expected thirty one and eleven
to race the playoff spot last year, but I did,
you know, Like I do think the world of AJ Hinch,
and I do think the world of Scott Harris and
Jeff Greenberg, Like I think they have a lockstep between
front office and manager that most Major League Baseball teams
don't have. And you know, there was a time where
(34:21):
I think people thought aj Hinch was going to be
the White Sox manager, in part because his signature was
on the Tony LaRussa welcome graphic that the White Sox did,
you know, so like that that was a thing, that
was a very public thing that he was being courted
in part for that White Sox job. And I always
was thrilled about the thought that he and I could,
(34:43):
you know, in our separate jobs, work together and I
be able to narrate his decision making because I do
do think like he has a little stat Cast dish
like I can't really vibe with aj because he sees
all of those details and he uses it in his
analysis a little bit like the stat Cast show to
circle back, like the stat Cast show helped me narrate
(35:05):
aj Hinch because that level of specificity is what he uses.
But you know, long story short, I having done White
Sox games, I know Chicago is split and that becomes
your existence.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Socks Cubs, Socks Cubs.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
I had never been in a team job where the
entire state loves your team, and that I should have
known was coming, and I did know was coming, But
until you don't have people walking up to you and
saying like, I'm a Cub fan, but or I'm a
Cub fan and I blank you right, like you don't
(35:42):
you don't realize how valuable it is to have an
entire state behind a team.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
When we were in Chico, we had an event for
the show in Chicago at Joson Weed the last weekend
in March, and we were all going down there and
I was going to hang out with my family on
Friday night and Simon, who was relatively alone, I don't
really know what happened that night.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
He was going to go.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
It was like the opening weekend for the White Sox,
and I'm like, dude, don't bother. You're not going to
the South Side to be in a stadium where it's
going to be freezing and there's going to.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Be eight people there.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Like, it's just a different experience. I said, if the
Cubs were home, you know, you'd go to this great.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
Food though, I will say great Field has great food.
That is that is definitely something I would stump for.
Is some of the better food in the.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Yeah, but when you're cooking for eight people, it's easy.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I will tell you.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
I have never cooked for eight people in my life
because one sometimes is a stretch.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
So, but here's my question about Detroit because last year
they had that crazy run and aj Hinch like, I
feel like that could be the perfect marriage of broadcaster
and manager. But yeah, you know, whenever I think of
some of the best movies are baseball movies where the
team goes on that run through June, July, August, right,
(37:08):
and they sort of have the great montage. Think about
like every major league right, yep, what is it like
when you're in that Like does it feel like it's
sped up? Do you feel the momentum every single day?
How does that energy manifest itself for you?
Speaker 5 (37:22):
Yeah, it's interesting because that montage that usually starts somewhere
near mid season, and this mid season the Tigers traded
away Jack Flaherty and traded away Mark Canna and Carson
Kelly and Andrew Chaffin and others. So it was that
you know exodus that you're used to when you were
(37:44):
playing for the long game, and so on the last
day of July. Little did we know it was a
plot point, but it was. It was like a red herring, right,
it was. It was in there as misdirection was the
trade deadline, and so there wasn't that slow build. It
was just like one day you're not and the next
(38:05):
day you are. There was a glimpse right before the
All Star breakak when they beat the dodgerswice in a
row on two straight walk offs, but until we got
to August and they they got super scalding hot, we
didn't know. I don't think any of us knew. And
it also required that a couple teams really fade. I mean,
(38:26):
Minnesota had to fade to let the Tigers back in
and that happened, and Seattle didn't play you know, outsized
baseball either, and so you know, we get to that
point in September where we're in San Diego and the
Tigers have given up a lead to the Padres and
(38:46):
lost because of Jackson Maryland part in Day two of
the series. And then maybe that was day one, but
then Parker Meadows hits this grand No that was day two,
because Parker Meadows Game three, to avoid a sweep, hits
this grand Slam in the ninth inning off the Padres closer.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
And.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
Like none of us knew it was coming, and I
had to recalibrate, Like on the walk back to the hotel,
I was going separately from the team because of college football,
and the walk back to the hotel, I remember thinking
to myself, I'm not going to be surprised again if
they're going to do this, Like I am going to
be on it from Jump Street expecting that they're going
to do this because if they do make this comeback.
(39:29):
And this was thirty days in advance, but but you
know that Grand Slam. I was on it, but I
wasn't expecting it. And those are separate things. And I
think this team felt the same that they were doing
some things, but they weren't expecting to win. And Spencer
Torkle said, actually just told us this on the podcast
the other day, like this is the first team he's
been a part of in Pro Bowl that he's felt
(39:50):
like they come to the ballpark and they expect to win,
and I think there's a difference. And so in the
way I did my job, I just started expecting fully
the unexpected, and that is a recalibration. And so that
was that was really valuable and important because then there
were all these moments and I was like, Okay, when's
the next one, when's the next one? When's the next one?
When's the next one? And you almost have to do
(40:12):
it like that and not be disappointed if it doesn't come,
but just thinking like, all right, we're gonna drill this
one now because they're going to do something and lo
and be old they did something over and over and
over again.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
But does that just make your call different? Is that
like that? What does that look like?
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Yeah, it looks like.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
Robin Ventura told me when he was the White Sox
manager my first year. We were at dinner and he
said some version of you know, I've told writers before,
try one game and not even in like this is
going to sound like he was like ripping writers or something.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
He didn't.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
He didn't mean it at all like this. He just
meant it as a thought exercise for one game. Really
lock in on every single pitch, like really lock in,
like don't look at your computer, don't write something, don't
talk to the person next to you, be eyes up
on every single pitch.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
You're going to be exhausted.
Speaker 5 (41:16):
And that was ringing in my ears as this was
going on, because I'm like, I think I'm an attention payer, right,
Like I think I'm watching the field most times, and
I think I'm locked in most times, but I'm also
talking to my partner and sometimes there's a pitch that
comes where we're in the middle of something. As the
pitch comes, that's okay. You're a baseball announcer. I shifted
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last year as much as I humanly could to like
this pitch is meaningful. That pitch is meaningful, and that
is not sustainable from April to July. It is not
like you just can't because at some point you become
over serious. Like last night, we're taping this the Tigers
were down eleven to nothing and Tomas Nido was pitching,
(42:05):
and we did a bit on the air where Dan
Petrie convinced me to believe that a comeback was possible
because I basically said, like, I'm under no obligation to
tell the people at home that the Tigers are likely
to win.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
This game, and he was like, ah, come on.
Speaker 5 (42:18):
And then there were two hits in a row and
I said, well, great, Dylan Dinglar's the tying run. Next
time he comes up, right, Like, you just can't pretend
that every pitch matters until it does.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Though.
Speaker 5 (42:29):
That's the fun about baseball. It's a little bit like
a Bugatti, right. You go zero to sixty real fast.
And that's the way that felt.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Jason Bennetti watching Tigers games is worth getting the MLB
package just to hear you doing, brother, Thanks for coming
on the show. Good luck with the rest of the season.
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I am Chad Moment of the Action Network Today.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I'm joined as always by my co host, my companion,
my Campadre, my BFF professional better Simon Hunter Ros.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I am in Chad. How are we doing?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Brother? Your son a little froggy.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
It's early in the morning.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Brother, I'm not I'm not a married man with kids.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
I feel like.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
In the morning. So yeah, I've heard by.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
This time in the morning. I have fed the dog,
I have fed my kid. I have defended myself from
dirty looks for walking into the room where my kid
was just to give him his food. I have exercised,
I have showered, I have prepped for our podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I am rated a role. I'm gonna need a nappy.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Well, I went to bed.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I went to bed two hours ago. So that's that.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
It perfectly sums up the level we're on right now
in different ways.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Why did you go to that two hours ago?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Because life's fun. I'm not going to tell you what
I did, but I had a good night, let's just
put it that way. And yeah, nothing criminal, mainly maybe
a new video game came out chat who knows either way.
I literally do whatever I want. I'm living the dream.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Brother.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
It's amazing we're BFFs because you and I are living
entirely different lives. You know who's got an exciting life
our guest, because he is not only living the dream,
he is considered by many, including myself, to be one
of the very best sports broadcasters working today.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
He's been on the show before.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
He's the television play by play voice of the Detroit
Tigers and so many other games, college basketball, college football,
you name it, he's doing it. He's the host of
the Have a Seat podcast. Some of the hardest working
vocal cords in the business. Welcome back to the show,
Jason Bennetti.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Gentlemen, how are you?
Speaker 5 (02:06):
I think my life is somewhere in between you two.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Well, that's because you're on the road every single night.
Basically you work nights. I mean you basically you're basically
like a lounge singer.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Yeah, honestly, that's not far that's not far from the truth.
There's a dire straight song called all the Road Running.
It's just it's Mark Knoepfler. I think that's pretty much
my life. That or up in the air with George Clooney,
But I don't know which is sadder.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
If it's a alla.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Matt Mitchell, our producer who you graciously hosted, ed a
Brewers Tigers game earlier this season.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I thought that was a class act.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
His favorite call of yours was twenty twenty two College
football TCU at Baylor. TCU as the ball they're down
to with twenty two seconds left, third and seven Baylor
twenty six yard line with no timeouts for TCU. If
they lose, they lose a shot at the college football playoff.
(03:17):
Can you tell our listeners what happens next?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (03:22):
So yeah, I almost like get emotional thinking about this
moment because and that's so cheesy, right, Like it's a
sports play by play call, right, but it's everything you
want in a team concept emotionally. So like you know
those big moments where a play by play person yells
and it's just the play by play announcer and it
(03:43):
sounds like, you know whatever, Like it sounds great, but
when you do it together, it just means a lot,
you know, because you know that you've kind of it's
like a great scene in a movie that you build
off of each other to make sure that that you're
both feeling the emotion of it. Like I have some
(04:03):
actor friends who've told me, like, when you see two
actors sitting at a diner right and the camera is
over one of their shoulders, it's not always that that
second person is in the scene. As the person who's
talking is looking straightforward, they might be doing that alone.
I've had actor friends tell me that they respect most
(04:27):
the actors who will sit opposite them and give them
the emotional reaction for them to feed off of so
they can have that real human concept that is this.
So TCU runs the ball without timeouts to set the
ball all up in the middle of the field, and
(04:47):
then they absolutely fire drill three alarms, send their kicker
on running with the field goal unit. As time is
ticking away like sand is moving fast from the hour glass.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Gravity is pulling harder for some.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Reason, and they are sprinting this kicker onto the field
so he can make the biggest kick of his life
and nothing will surpass that as the biggest kick of
his life, as we found out, like his name's Griffin Kel.
They absolutely nail it and win the game. But in
that moment, you know, I say, it's a run on
(05:25):
third down. Brock gets some urgency in his voice. I
join in. I'm a little more urgent than Brock. They
build the line, the offensive line. As they're doing it,
we're kicking up the energy piece by piece. He nails it.
I make the call. Brock jumps in and says wow,
(05:48):
and then says, I don't believe what we just saw,
or some version of that. But it was every level
that they went to, you know, almost like a like
a menu at a buffalo wing restaurant where it's like, oh,
there's this many chili peppers. No, no, no, no, there are
this many chili peppers and this many. We did it
(06:10):
together and we felt the energy, and I remember very
distinctly there is a moment after we're done narrating it
where it's just the scene that Brock and I were
like if you had the snoop cam in the booth.
Brock and I are looking at each other just like wow,
and Brock says, I am shaking.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Third down, another run de mercado. Then you get on
the field, Yeah, it got a hustle.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Here a run and now it's a total scramble.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
Emergency mode for the unbeaten horn Frogs. Hipno toad in
a hurry Griffin con for the wind Ta CEO.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
It's undefeated stew whoa unreal.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
I am shaky. I can't believe what Sonny.
Speaker 7 (07:09):
Dykes just did.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
That is a walk off, really a runoff.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
For the ages.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
It's the genesis of my Brock impression, which I am
very excited about. But like, everything is a little extra
emotional in that moment. And then you have a guy
who is so good because he's done a lot of
talk radio, He's so good at getting the emotion out
of moments, and I think that was really it was
our first of three seasons together, and that was the
(07:39):
moment that I think we would both and our entire
crew would look fondly on and say, like, I think
that's kind of when we hit the pocket.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
So you're in Saint Louis. You travel constantly. You do
every single sport. I like, because I watch every Bulls game.
I've heard you do Bulls games, both preseason games and
like early season games when Adam amin might be on
the road for Fox. And I know you do college basketball.
I know you do college football obviously doing the Tigers,
(08:16):
like Travel Warrior, Travel Nightmare. Do you subscribe the theory
that you get paid for the travel and the rest
is fun. How do you manage the travel? Where do
you never want to go again?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Oh wow?
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Hat tip to the Trailblazers by the way for giving
me five games this year and letting me stay on
the NBA circuit. So because I did enjoy it a
great deal and very small nod to them. You talk
about the stat Cast show, what they do with Tom
Haberstrow reminds me of a lot of Petriello, and so
I felt very much at home just bringing it full
(08:54):
circle with what they do that I can probe the
depths of Tom when I fill it for Kevin, who
has been so super generous to me. The place I
never want to go to again is an absolute trap
because if I go back there, they.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Will remind me of that. You know.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
My first year doing minor league baseball, I was with
a team in Salem, Virginia, where our parking lot was
where Borat went to the rodeo.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
In my country, they take them and they take them
to jail. In Finnish take them ounta and hang them. Yes,
half five.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
So I was with this team in Salem and our
first road trip we went to Northern Virginia. It's a
team that's now defunct. They've moved, and I believe the
hotel probably no long longer is standing. But most of
the team got bed bugs from that hotel, so I'd
rather not go there ever again. Thanks for that. I'd
also rather not go to the hotel in New York
(09:54):
City during college basketball season this season where the fire
alarm went off four time. I'm in a two hour
span and I was, I swear to you, I was
on a seven hundred and forty second floor. I don't
remember what floor it was, but I think it was
seven forty two. So yeah, no thanks on that. But
I actually I had a couple announcers, and I actually
(10:15):
felt this way too, say to me, like older announcers,
really revered announcers say to me during COVID, if they
never let us travel again this once we were traveling
once more, if they never let us.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Travel again, I would have quit.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
And I actually feel the same way, because you can't
do it justice, you can't do it right without being
at the game in the city. And so I actually
I remind myself even when travel is tough, like I've
had a couple cross countries for Fox this year, and
I don't care. I'm like, as long as I know
when I need to when I get to sleep next,
(10:51):
when I get to have that one night of sleep,
that's kind of my reset button. I'm good because I
didn't miss it a great deal when we weren't travel
when I was sitting at home in twenty twenty off
a kit in my living room, like making leftovers and
doing Korean baseball games from Chicago, like, I really missed it.
I missed the travel. I missed it a lot twenty
(11:13):
twenty one, like I was very vocal about the White
Sox not traveling TV and Major League Baseball not traveling TV,
and you know, you don't know what the plot's going
to look like twenty pages later when you're in the
middle of the story. I didn't know if we were
ever going to travel again. There seemed to be some
networks who were pretty comfortable, you know, regionally, and then
(11:35):
you know, teams, teams, but also networks but also leagues
that kind of were okay with it for a little while,
but a lot of us pushed back. And I think
it was important because you don't get the same entertainment
value out of a game done from a studio.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
You just don't.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
You're in Saint Louis today, one of my favorite talents
where my mommy is from. Do you know why the
date October second, twenty eighteen is significant?
Speaker 5 (12:02):
I think that was Cubs Rockies wild Card Day.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
That's exactly what it was.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
It was the first ever MLB stat cast on ESPN.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
You were the play by play.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
To this day, it is the best baseball broadcast I've
ever heard.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I'm not even kidding, Simon, I don't know why you're laughing, Like.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Uh, the most shocking port chat is the fact that
the Rockies were in the wild card round. That's probably
that's the most shocking car of this conversation.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
They were good back then.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
They were.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
That was like, by the way, talking about Saint Louis
Nolan Ernatto, I think that's like when he was sort
of in his prime. And I think they won that
game actually, but I couldn't even tell you the final score.
I think it was, actually I can't tell you. I
think it went extra innings and I think the Rockies
won two one. But Jason, truly that was a revelatory broadcast,
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like loved every second of it. And I remember I
had just left ESPN to launch Action less than a
year earlier. And one of the reasons like we launched
Action is because I just didn't think ESPN was going
to get it, like when it came to this kind
of information that would engage fans in an accessible way,
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and that broadcast did that. I remember emailing Phil Orleans,
who you know, is the producer of MLB's broadcasts, and
I'm like, this was fucking ridiculous. And I feel like
when you were in the moment, explain to people like
what that was, because I do think it was transformative.
Explain to people how it came about, and your partner
it and what you thought of it.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Yeah, man, you just hit me right in the heart
because that show changed my life in some ways, not
just career wise, but just informationally.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
You know.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
The whole goal for us for that show was to
be not really different. I think that would be the
inclination is like, hey, let's be different. Our goal for
that show was to make sure that if it was
on the screen, it was really specifically relevant, Like it
made sense to this moment, it made sense to this
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specific player. The graphics when we walked up a player
like this was his best attribute, this is how he
might impact the game. And Mike Petriello, who works for MLB,
he's a stat cast guru. With his help, you know,
I got to really understand exactly how powerful the information.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Can be that we had.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
But you know it was it was Eduardo Perez, Mike,
and myself in the booth. Andy Jacobson was our producer
who's now the producer of Sunday Night Baseball on ESPN,
the main show, and we all got together and basically
just said, hey, let's make this information sing as much
as possible, as specifically as possible. And my first recollection
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from that day is when we were having our meeting,
we had breakfast at the hotel in downtown Chicago, and
I was living there at the time, so I went
from home to the hotel and we were talking about
all this information and I said to the group, I said, hey,
is there still time for us to tell stories? And
I remember Phil phil Orleans who you mentioned, jumping in
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and saying absolutely, like that should still be a part
of this show. But the information is different, and it
just kind of jigsaw puzzled in for me. At that
point where it was like, Okay, we are using stats
in the most muscular way possible while also keeping the
joy of baseball. And I remember distinctly, Shoot, I don't
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remember who the player was, but I remember late in
that game we put up sort of a trivial pursuit
pie piece, like a whole pie of underneath a player.
It was a specialty graphic they had built for us
for his directional outs above average, and he was really
good one direction, and I swear to you, the next
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batted ball was in that direction and he made the catch.
I don't remember who it might have been, like Charlie Culberson,
I don't remember who it was, but I just kind
of looked at Mike and he looked at me and
Eduardo and I are laughing, and it was just like,
oh man, we have fully unlocked the potential of what
baseball on television might be. So yeah, that was That
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was an amazing night. We didn't we Mike. Mike found
a place for us to eat, and it was like
the wrong direction, Like we went further north instead of south,
back to the city, and we were all making fun
of him and like, but we didn't care.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I swear to you.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
I was up until four thirty in the morning just
buzzing on the high of teamwork.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Did you have a lot of experience or interest in
that kind of information Before that game.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
We kind of had a dry run by doing the
home run Derby. I think twenty eighteen was the first
time we did the derby, so we hadn't done on
a game here exactly right, There was no this was
the first time we rolled it out in a game broadcast,
but we did the derby, and I want to say
twenty eighteen was Washington. I want to say it was
it was NAT's Park with Bryce Harper and his dad
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just piping in fastballs like over and over and over again,
to the point where they were like, you're cheating, You're
throwing too many, you know, whatever it might be. But
so we did that, and you know, we could kind
of get a feel for what the information might be.
And so I had been able to, you know, kick
the tires on baseball savant and get to kind of
learn from myself over the course of the season in preparation.
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But then when you see it in play and you
see how like heat maps can show you exactly what
might happen in a game off a pitcher's hand, based
on specific matchups.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
It is.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
It's intoxicating in so many ways. And also we had
what I remember as like a fourteen inning game. But
we got off the air and I wasn't looking at
social media. But we got off the air, and I
remember people being like, well that went well, and I
was like, oh, how well? And then I looked at
social media and it was.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Like, do this more.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
That's the best thing ever, and like, you know, the
concept allowed us to be able to do that. But
we also happened to have in the booth two analysts
who are virtually egleless and so Eduardo and Mike can
you know. It wasn't like I think this camp and
I think that camp. That's not the point. Like that
is the really overly basic way to do a show
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like that. It's like, well, I'm here for analytics, I'm
here for baseball garbage. That's garbage. That's not how this works.
How it works is you take the information, you funnel
it to a player, they tell you how it hits them.
We then ask follow ups to the person who's kind
of the information guy, and they talk to each other
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like human beings.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
But I think that's.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Why, you know, if I don't want to put words
in your mouth, Chad, but when you said like ESPN
might not get it, I feel like if you were
doing that as a as sort of like a hot
take show, it would devolve into just yelling at each
other about who's right. And that's entertaining for twelve seconds,
but not twelve innings.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
One of the topics that comes up often. I get
asked this all the time, and I'm sure people ask
Simon about this too, is that kind of stat cast.
It's really one nuanced piece of language away from being
a gambling cast.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I'm asked all the time, do you think that gambling
will be a regular part of broadcasts?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
My answer is usually know, because I don't know that
there's a big enough audience of gamblers that it's worth
incorporating it for the people who aren't gamblers. But do
you ever think about how to incorporate gambling information into
your broadcast? And you do every sport, so it's not
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just for baseball, But do you think about that as
a circumstance or is something that is of value? How
do you consider that sort of new aspect of sports?
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Yeah, you know, it's a tough one for me because
of my multiple employments. You know, like I'm an employee
of the Tigers. I am not a gambler by definition,
can't be, but I wouldn't be anyway a sports gambler.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
So it's a tough question.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
But I also do play by play on FanDuel Sports Network, right,
so church and state are not as separate as they
used to be. And I you know, I'm not going
to be like Victorian England about this either in the
way that I perceive it, because you know, we do
the fandual home run ons on our Tigers games and
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all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
I can't do it, but I would say, you know,
like what I am, what I always marvel at in baseball.
This is going to be a little bit of a
generic answer, but it's only because like the specific answer
probably isn't worth it for me. But the kind of
generic answer is I marvel at how much information there
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is that could help people if they wanted to just
follow the game, right, So I guess I would. I
would push back a little bit on like not even pushback,
but I don't know the distinction between information and gambling
information anymore. You know, like, I think all information could
be used to follow the game very specifically, step by step,
(21:49):
but we do. I will say this is the part
that I feel comfortable being very specific, and I think
it's I think it's some version of a novel thought.
You all be the judge. But you know, we spend
a lot of time in our baseball prep trying to
find tendencies. Like we had a game the other day
where a Red Sox starter was throwing a lot of
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sinkers to right handers that were pulling off the inside corner.
So you look at his heat map and there's this
red blob inside off the plate to right handers, so
his sinker is not a strike most of the time.
So we pulled that heat map because it was kind
of a novel lo and behold the first sinker he
throws to a right handed batter in the game is
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glabor torres any homers off of it, and it's in
off the plate and he like opens up to hammer it.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
And you know, the.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
First thought is, oh, my gosh, you can follow along
with anything through baseball savants, And then my second thought was, oh,
people could use this information, you know, like that did
run through my mind of like if if you're that good,
it's a little bit like and I don't want to
be like inside Trading tiptoe the line guy, but you know,
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like I read one of Jim Kramer's books in two
thousand and six and he's talking about listening to earnings
calls over and over again for like companies that have
had IPOs right, And so I think the information is
out there if you want to dive into it. But again,
the danger is danger. But like the the counterbalance of
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that is is everybody in baseball is looking for tendency breakers.
If your first pitch swing rate is four percent, at
some point you gotta bust that tendency. And so just
when you think you have it sized up, somebody does
something else completely different. And to me, informationally, that's the
fun of it. But I you know, that would be
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the thing that if you were somebody who's inclined to
place a wager on a sporting event, it might frustrate you.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Simon.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I know you're a big baseball fan. I know how
much you love the Phillies. When you watch a game,
do you watch it through the lens of information and analytics,
or because it's not a sport you bet on.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Is it just a purely visceral experience.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
I mean I do bet, I just don't better professionally,
So like if I'm getting good info, I always take
a position. But it's also like last night, perfect example,
as a Phillies fan, it was an easy bet.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
They're playing the Rockies. Okay, they open minus.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
I believe two fifty, and I say to myself, I'll
wait till it's live. Hope the Rockies get up one
or two. Sure enough, I think it was a third
or fourth inning, Rockies are up three to two. Take
a position on the Phillies at a plus number. I
think they end up winning the game, like nine to three.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Chets.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
So it's just those type of things. I'll take positions
on where the Rockies are so bad and you know
the pitching tendencies, and right now the Phillies are going
through an issue where their bullpend that we had a
guy basically tested positive for who knows what. But it's
funny where the market moves off of that. Where the
Phillies are a travel day, they're going to the Rockies
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play Colorado, and that number is usually the Rockies are
probably the worst team in baseball. The usual numbers minus
three hundred and guys I know who don't even bet.
They know how bad the Rockies are, so they'll bet
on that game. So that's the type of thing where
I think back in the day, that guy never bet
And that to me is the biggest difference now with
statue what Jason's talking about, where like I like that
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Jason's not out here acting like he knows what he's
talking about. When he works for a gambling company where
he's he stays in his lane and he does it
because it's part of his job. If they're like, hey, Jason,
give it out a home run guy, he'll do it.
I mean, he watches the game, he knows what he's
talking about. He's just letting people know, like I don't
do this for a living. I'm just doing as part
of the job.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
I like that there's more than baseball because I want,
I do want to hear from people like Jason who
are around the game a lot knows the game. But
he's not coming from from any type of angle, right,
He's just going strictly off what he knows, what numbers,
he follows and all of that. So to me, I know,
Jason went I love it because it's like it's a
new territory for him.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
I love people like.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Him getting into this type of stuff because it's something
that me loves gameling.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I love hearing his view of baseball through that lens.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
So yeah, it's my first question you, Jason, is just
do you hate it or if you embrace it a
little bit where it's it's just fun giving that perspective
on those step of numbers. Do you even hear from
fans about your your picks or anything like that? Are
you just are you just all about the job? So
I honestly don't build them like I don't. It's not
my choice. It's graphics that builds them.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Like I'm totally I'm very agnostic. Like I just I
it is a line that because I'm a team employee,
it's just not ever worth it. Like I will say, like, hey,
here are the fan dual home run odds and then
he's got this many or like we you know, like
looking into it, there's this matchup for that matchup. But
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I really truly I give the information for the information's sake,
and if people want to use it for whatever purpose, right,
to like make fun of their little brother who doesn't
know as much about baseball or whatever it might be.
Like I I so, you know, like I've played blackjack.
I'm happy to go to Vegas and play blackjack like
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that is that's like I enjoy that. But I also
like it is just not worth it for me in
any way to go any closer, because you know, like
we we our producer said to me last week, like, hey,
you know they they want us to talk a little
bit about Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe and.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
All that stuff.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
And I was like, I don't really have one of
these like really strong opinions about this. And I also
don't know that I want to go into it because
if my opinion ends up being as I sus it out, like,
if my opinion ends up being, hey, they shouldn't be
allowed in the Hall of Fame. And I work for
FanDuel Sports Network, Like then what right?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Like that? Then what? So you know, I'm a.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
It's interesting because I'm a team employee and our games
are aired on FanDuel Sports Network, and I think, like
to your point, Chad, I think there's an alt cast
out there, like I really do think there's an alt
cast and teams have tried it. Teams have tried it
for sure, Like I know they tried it in Chicago,
like a specific gambling cast and things like that, and
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I you know, I think you just have to figure
out exactly what the rules are that are going to
keep you employed. Like the only thing that stops me from,
you know, having a very open conversation is I'm a
team employee, and I like I cannot bet on baseball,
cannot will not not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
I always know, even when I don't know, like flipping
through the channels for a college football game or a
college basketball game, I know when it's a Benetti broadcast.
A because your voice is distinctive, but B there is
something funny and charming that you slip into were like
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a reference that is good for the ten percent of
the pupil, but those ten percent that get it freaking
love it and then become sort of acolytes.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
You've done this.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
With the Tigers broadcasts, a couple of which have gone
a bit viral. One I think was you basically called
an entire inning as if you were golf announcers.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Right, explain sort of what happened.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
There, you could argue is that baseball was a sport
that actually could be called like golf. Very calming tapper,
and he just taps it to with a throw difference. Job.
There're two here on six, so the seven teabots, he yes.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Thank you for that.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
I would say again, I just told you I don't
gamble on sports, but I would say I would take
the under on ten percent of people understand the references,
maybe ten total people.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Well I'm one of them.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Thank you, thank you. I appreciate that. Jackson Job the
picture for the Tigers. His father is Brant Job, who
was a long time PGA tour golfer, and we had
a picture of Jackson caddying for Brant just before Jackson's
fourth birthday at the Masters way back in the day,
like eighteen and a half years ago, and so we
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showed it earlier, but then we got into the thick
of the game. And I don't know what made me
do it, but maybe it's my partner, Andy Dirks, also
being a circus animal, and so I just started, you know,
as a golf person, and he came right with immediately,
and then we did it for I don't know, a
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minute and a half, two minutes, and then broke character
and then told the Jackson job golf story again. And
you know, there was a time in my life where
that would have just been the whole thing, right, just
because it's fun to be golf announcers and it's fun
to laugh and enjoy life. I do as an aside,
I do think it's pretty funny when people tweet at us,
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like you're laughing so much stick to the game, like
a dear sir or madam or whomever, I'm sorry, you're miserable,
sincerely us like imagining when you're eight, imagining a world
where somebody writes into you and says, laugh less that
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is it's like you're reading the gringe that stole Christmas,
you know, like that, that's like what's going on there?
And so I just I think those are entertaining. But
the reason we did it is because of Jackson and
his story. And what I was going to say is
there was a time in my life where we had
just been really indulgent and done the golf voice because
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it's funny, and he and I are a little bit
like Will Ferrell and John c Riley and stepbrothers, you know,
but it was about the kid and it's about his story,
and so I think I think that kind of helped it.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Land have you you've been with the Tigers now this
is your second season. Of course, you were with the
White Sox for many years before that, the favorite team
of Pope Leo the fourteenth.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
What's it like?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
And you're a Chicago guy, how are you enjoying Detroit?
How would you compare it to a Chicago baseball experience?
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Well, I thought this was going to be a pope
question because the Pope.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
The Pope lived for a while.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
New Pope lived for a while, like four blocks from
where I grew up in a Homewood, Illinois. So my
text thread was exploding from my high school friends and
I that day when we found out, like there's a
picture of New Pope at Aurelio's Pizza on the South
Side and like he knows to say, hey, use the
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old oven at Aurelio's Pizza. So you know, we were
doing and like the whole like I wonder if the
Pope's ever been to Chuck's house at Magic or like
did he get his t shirts made at Knickknacks or
like all of.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
This stuff right outside of Chicago suburbs stuff. So yeah,
I thought I.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Was going to go there next. I was going to
ease your in with the question about Oroy.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
All right, so here's the answer. I'll give you the
answer about Detroit. I Detroit is an amazing sports town.
Like I knew it when I went there. You know,
I'd been there for.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
You picked a good time to go, though, you have
to admit totally yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Totally, totally, totally accurate, very accurate.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Like when when the town is like buzzing over Lions, Pistons, Tigers,
when for so long it was the Red Wings that
were propping up the town, You're like, oh, this all
could go write all at once very soon. So yeah,
I'm there at the very right time. That is one
hundred percent true. But that's part of the honestly. Like
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I'm not saying that I expected thirty one and eleven
to race the playoff spot last year, but I did,
you know, Like I do think the world of AJ Hinch,
and I do think the world of Scott Harris and
Jeff Greenberg, Like I think they have a lockstep between
front office and manager that most Major League Baseball teams
don't have. And you know, there was a time where
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I think people thought aj Hinch was going to be
the White Sox manager, in part because his signature was
on the Tony LaRussa welcome graphic that the White Sox did,
you know, so like that that was a thing, that
was a very public thing that he was being courted
in part for that White Sox job. And I always
was thrilled about the thought that he and I could,
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you know, in our separate jobs, work together and I
be able to narrate his decision making because I do
do think like he has a little stat Cast dish
like I can't really vibe with aj because he sees
all of those details and he uses it in his
analysis a little bit like the stat Cast show to
circle back, like the stat Cast show helped me narrate
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aj Hinch because that level of specificity is what he uses.
But you know, long story short, I having done White
Sox games, I know Chicago is split and that becomes
your existence.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Socks Cubs, Socks Cubs.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
I had never been in a team job where the
entire state loves your team, and that I should have
known was coming, and I did know was coming, But
until you don't have people walking up to you and
saying like, I'm a Cub fan, but or I'm a
Cub fan and I blank you right, like you don't
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you don't realize how valuable it is to have an
entire state behind a team.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
When we were in Chico, we had an event for
the show in Chicago at Joson Weed the last weekend
in March, and we were all going down there and
I was going to hang out with my family on
Friday night and Simon, who was relatively alone, I don't
really know what happened that night.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
He was going to go.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
It was like the opening weekend for the White Sox,
and I'm like, dude, don't bother. You're not going to
the South Side to be in a stadium where it's
going to be freezing and there's going to.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Be eight people there.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Like, it's just a different experience. I said, if the
Cubs were home, you know, you'd go to this great.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
Food though, I will say great Field has great food.
That is that is definitely something I would stump for.
Is some of the better food in the.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Yeah, but when you're cooking for eight people, it's easy.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I will tell you.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
I have never cooked for eight people in my life
because one sometimes is a stretch.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
So, but here's my question about Detroit because last year
they had that crazy run and aj Hinch like, I
feel like that could be the perfect marriage of broadcaster
and manager. But yeah, you know, whenever I think of
some of the best movies are baseball movies where the
team goes on that run through June, July, August, right,
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and they sort of have the great montage. Think about
like every major league right, yep, what is it like
when you're in that Like does it feel like it's
sped up? Do you feel the momentum every single day?
How does that energy manifest itself for you?
Speaker 5 (37:22):
Yeah, it's interesting because that montage that usually starts somewhere
near mid season, and this mid season the Tigers traded
away Jack Flaherty and traded away Mark Canna and Carson
Kelly and Andrew Chaffin and others. So it was that
you know exodus that you're used to when you were
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playing for the long game, and so on the last
day of July. Little did we know it was a
plot point, but it was. It was like a red herring, right,
it was. It was in there as misdirection was the
trade deadline, and so there wasn't that slow build. It
was just like one day you're not and the next
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day you are. There was a glimpse right before the
All Star breakak when they beat the dodgerswice in a
row on two straight walk offs, but until we got
to August and they they got super scalding hot, we
didn't know. I don't think any of us knew. And
it also required that a couple teams really fade. I mean,
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Minnesota had to fade to let the Tigers back in
and that happened, and Seattle didn't play you know, outsized
baseball either, and so you know, we get to that
point in September where we're in San Diego and the
Tigers have given up a lead to the Padres and
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lost because of Jackson Maryland part in Day two of
the series. And then maybe that was day one, but
then Parker Meadows hits this grand No that was day two,
because Parker Meadows Game three, to avoid a sweep, hits
this grand Slam in the ninth inning off the Padres closer.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
And.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
Like none of us knew it was coming, and I
had to recalibrate, Like on the walk back to the hotel,
I was going separately from the team because of college football,
and the walk back to the hotel, I remember thinking
to myself, I'm not going to be surprised again if
they're going to do this, Like I am going to
be on it from Jump Street expecting that they're going
to do this because if they do make this comeback.
(39:29):
And this was thirty days in advance, but but you
know that Grand Slam. I was on it, but I
wasn't expecting it. And those are separate things. And I
think this team felt the same that they were doing
some things, but they weren't expecting to win. And Spencer
Torkle said, actually just told us this on the podcast
the other day, like this is the first team he's
been a part of in Pro Bowl that he's felt
(39:50):
like they come to the ballpark and they expect to win,
and I think there's a difference. And so in the
way I did my job, I just started expecting fully
the unexpected, and that is a recalibration. And so that
was that was really valuable and important because then there
were all these moments and I was like, Okay, when's
the next one, when's the next one? When's the next one?
When's the next one? And you almost have to do
(40:12):
it like that and not be disappointed if it doesn't come,
but just thinking like, all right, we're gonna drill this
one now because they're going to do something and lo
and be old they did something over and over and
over again.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
But does that just make your call different? Is that
like that? What does that look like?
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Yeah, it looks like.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
Robin Ventura told me when he was the White Sox
manager my first year. We were at dinner and he
said some version of you know, I've told writers before,
try one game and not even in like this is
going to sound like he was like ripping writers or something.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
He didn't.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
He didn't mean it at all like this. He just
meant it as a thought exercise for one game. Really
lock in on every single pitch, like really lock in,
like don't look at your computer, don't write something, don't
talk to the person next to you, be eyes up
on every single pitch.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
You're going to be exhausted.
Speaker 5 (41:16):
And that was ringing in my ears as this was
going on, because I'm like, I think I'm an attention payer, right,
Like I think I'm watching the field most times, and
I think I'm locked in most times, but I'm also
talking to my partner and sometimes there's a pitch that
comes where we're in the middle of something. As the
pitch comes, that's okay. You're a baseball announcer. I shifted
(41:41):
last year as much as I humanly could to like
this pitch is meaningful. That pitch is meaningful, and that
is not sustainable from April to July. It is not
like you just can't because at some point you become
over serious. Like last night, we're taping this the Tigers
were down eleven to nothing and Tomas Nido was pitching,
(42:05):
and we did a bit on the air where Dan
Petrie convinced me to believe that a comeback was possible
because I basically said, like, I'm under no obligation to
tell the people at home that the Tigers are likely
to win.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
This game, and he was like, ah, come on.
Speaker 5 (42:18):
And then there were two hits in a row and
I said, well, great, Dylan Dinglar's the tying run. Next
time he comes up, right, Like, you just can't pretend
that every pitch matters until it does.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Though.
Speaker 5 (42:29):
That's the fun about baseball. It's a little bit like
a Bugatti, right. You go zero to sixty real fast.
And that's the way that felt.
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