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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we go. It is a Wednesday, and we are
live in August and Living Color. Ready to roll. A
lot of things happening today. Joe Thomas stops by way
in on Shuder Sanders, who's getting the start Friday against Caroline.
I'll get to that in a second. Philip Rivers is
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stopping by the show as well, one of the great
trash talkers of all time. Many many subscribe to the
belief he is a Hall of Famer. Some do, some don't,
but an interesting guy. He'll be joining us. I don't
like to lecture the American sports media, but I've said
this before. In politics, there's a lot of conspiracy theories,
(01:12):
and I'm hoping that in our business sports we try
to stay away from those. But there's one that's dangling
out there that is patently absurd right now. And here
it is so Shadoor Sanders, Kevin Stefanska. They've had all
sorts of quarterback injuries. He's going to start Friday, and
he's only had one pray. They'll only have one practice
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with the ones, and he's going to start. And this
is now being called sabotage. And this is not just
like crazy internet dweb, it's like network people. It's sabotage.
Cleveland doesn't want him to succeed. Okay, let's start with this.
Josh Dobbs was acquired by the Minnesota Vikings and had
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to start and did not get a single practice. Remember
that game, three touchdowns, no picks, one hundred and two
passer rating, completed sixty six percent of his throws, didn't
know the playbook, teammates coordinator, coach, didn't get a practice,
won the game. Baker Mayfield, we're friendemies now. Baker Mayfield
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came to the Rams on a Tuesday, had to play
Thursday against the Raiders ninety eight yard fourth quarter game
winning drive with a single practice in the highly sophisticated
Sean McVay offense, a timing offense, a rhythm offense, one practice.
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Shadoor Sanders has been with the Browns through OTA's rookie
Minnie camp and training camp. He knows the playbook, the
head coach, the coordinator, and his teammates. And because he
only gets one practice with the Ones, it's sabotage. You've
got to be kidding me. Stop pandering, stop protecting media.
(03:04):
The great Ones would consider this an amazing opportunity, and
he probably does, but we got to stop this. If
I was Kevin Stefanski and they're hemorrhaging quarterbacks because of injuries,
and you don't need to see Joe Flacco. The last
thing we need to see is Joe Flacco, I would
make an argument, well, rich dad, famous dad, Let's give
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him a little turbulence. Let's give him a little challenge here.
So if Kevin Stefanski and I don't think that's the
reason they're doing it, but I could absolutely see a
coach saying famous rich. I mean, wasn't it wasn't it
Shador who called himself legendary in the draft room. Let's
see if he is. But the idea at some level
(03:48):
of a sabotage. Maybe Kevin wants to just see what
his speed limit is. The Other part of this that's
ridiculous is how many reps the first team guys play
in the preseason. He's gonna end up playing with twos,
threes and fours, which is what he's practicing with Cleveland,
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and there's not If you look at Cleveland's wide receiving corps,
they're not a big gap between the ones, twos, threes,
and fours. It's one of the worst receiving corps in
the league. And they're dealing with massive injuries at quarterbacks.
So there's absolutely no value in screwing over Shador Sanders.
He may not be the future, but the perfect scenario
actually is he plays kind of well, establishes himself as
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a backup. You move off Kenny Pickett, get a draft pick,
probably a fifth or sixth seventh rounder, and then at
the end of the year, because he's shown himself to
be a capable backup, you get another six seventh round
pick for Shaduur and that gives you more picks to
get Arch Manning or Drew Aller or the Nussmeyer kid
at LSU. That's all Cleveland's doing this year. They know
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they're not good. They would love Shador Sanders. I mean,
would there be a better story for Cleveland. He's a
perfect scenario. Well, perfect scenario is getting arch Manning next year,
but to get him you'll need extra picks. The perfect
scenario to get you some help out from under that
awful Deshaun Watson contract is Shadur is good this year
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and arch Manning is great next year, you're home free.
That's what Denver did with bon Nicks. Oh, the Russell
Wilson dead cap money. Oh, Bonnicks is good and he's
mostly free. So the idea, I mean, first of all,
sabotage is Kevin Stefanski's trying to retain his job. The owner,
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I don't know if you've noticed, is a little impulsive.
In Cleveland, right, there's Nick Saban rumors there's a connection
between the Mannings and Saban and Jimmy Haslam and Jimmy Sexton.
So this is just a ridiculous story. I mean, I'm
not a huge fan of brock Purty, but brock Purty
was third string, and then Trey Lance wasn't good. Quickly
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he was second. Then Garoppolo gets hurt in the game
and he's thrust in to the starting role mid game.
He had no reps with the one couple ten days earlier,
he's a three, and he took advantage of it. That's
what the great athletes do. They have a level of
arrogance and belief that they look at this as an opportunity,
and I think Shadoor probably does. But the idea that
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this is like gaining steam multiple day trending, well, you know,
they don't want to see him succeed. It's Cleveland the
world best scenario. He looks great against Carolina. They can
move Kenny Pickett, get a six round pick, and then
move Shador next year and get another one. They need
as many picks as they can. If they win five games,
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have the number two pick to give up the house
to get Arcs Manning. Here's Kevin Stefanski on Shador, the
situation of the start coming up.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
We'll play Shador at quarterback. We just signed Snoop Puntley,
as you guys saw, we'll see get Snoop back up
the speed. My expectations for Shador are no different than
the rest of the guys. Honestly, Mary kay that we
expect them to go operate. When you get in these
preseason games, you try to keep it very simple so
that guys can play fast all concepts that our players
know and can kind of not think too much and
(07:11):
just play ball.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, Josh Dobbs, no practices. Baker Mayfield won in by
the way mcveigh's system and Kevin O'Connell's system, those are
complex system, no practice, one practice, and Baker and Josh
Dobbs saw it as an unbelievable opportunity and both crushed. Okay,
So I'm just doing basically daily updates on Caleb Williams.
(07:36):
So whenever I see the word sloppy, it's always like, well,
it is sloppy, a lack of focus, a lack of effort.
So Ben Johnson said he was saying Sunday after Caleb
Williams performance, he said, you know, we're sloppier than i'd
want to be at this point. We had a couple
of good practices, we had a step back. I just
(08:00):
not where we want to be at this point. Okay, okay,
ok fine, okay, okay, fine, But did you hear what
he said about Caleb William's backup Tyson Pageant?
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Man, he's been he's been phenomenal. I mean he's smart
as a whip. Appreciate the seriousness and intent that he
brings every time he walks into a room, you know,
meeting room, walk through. It doesn't matter. He's locked in,
he's focused, he's preparing the right way, and I couldn't
be more thrilled that he's here with us.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Tyson Bajent Okay, So I just think about that. Coaches
with young quarterbacks tend to be very careful with their words,
very intentional. He's serious, he's focused, he's locked in, smart
as a whip. The other guy's sloppy. I'm sorry. If
a director of the film says, right now, our lead actor,
(08:53):
you've got to be patient, but wey, I'll tell you
the supporting cast, whoo, they are locked in and focused.
That's insinuating the lead isn't locked in. I don't know.
It's something you don't have to be Sherlock Home to
connect these dots, right, it's I think we have to
(09:15):
be honest about this. Ben Johnson has worked with a
number one pick before, Jared Goff, and he's now worked
with undrafted quarterback Tyson Bagent. Okay, So he's got you know,
the variables of what he's worked with are pretty wide.
So he's seen gifted and he's seen hardworking. And now
I read something recently which I thought was an interesting take,
(09:36):
and sorry for not giving it credit, but it was
an interesting take. Somebody said that Ben Johnson and Caleb
was always going to be a little rough because Ben Johnson,
like a Kyle Shanahan, has a precise, precision based offense.
Jared Goff was second in NFL completion percentage last season.
(09:56):
Here's the play. Follow the play, follow my scheme, distribute
the ball accurately. That's Ben Jonson. That's what Kyle Shanahan loves.
That's what Kyle Shanahan loves. Okay, and Caleb's the opposite
of that stylistically. So there is an argument out there
(10:17):
that these two, what Ben has coached so far is
actually more shanahan Esque, more schematic based. Follow the play.
You can add lib a little, but by the way
Sean Payton, he wants you to run his play, and
that's not really Caleb's style, So that the two are
(10:38):
not an ideal fit. That does not mean they can't work,
but I do think, let's be honest, if this thing
is ugly, Ben Johnson came to Chicago with a prenup.
He's gonna win this divorce. Okay, he's the boy genius.
He multiple teams interested. Caleb's already had a bad year.
If he struggled with the second coaching staff, you start
(11:00):
point at the quarterback. So it's just I don't know
what it's not. It's not that big of a deal
that you know. Caleb was a little sloppy, okay, but
the other guy, whooh hoys. He locked in kind of
felt intentional, like he was trying to say something. But again,
(11:20):
I don't want to be out here throwing heaters, J mack.
That's not what I do. I'm not out here to
ruffle feathers. But it it was kind of, you know,
so a little over the top, locked in, prepared, focus,
smart as a whip. That's a little mu wouldn't you
have just thought of like, I'm not gonna go overboard
in the backup, be like, hey, he's a hustler, he's
(11:41):
gonna be a great backup for us. He is. He
is doing a great job. A little intentional in the wording.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
I think he's sending a message pretty clearly, right, I mean,
that's that's the goal here. We got to get Caleb
up to speed. He's sloppy, it's not working. Let me
ask you, con I we brought up the whole Will
Caleb be bench this year? I'm gonna I'm gonna fast
track it. Will he be benched once before Halloween? So
we're talking first eight weeks of the season. Will Ben
be so fed up? He's like, Caleb, I'm pulling you.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I I don't know. I'm not going to bet that.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
You're afraid huh because you think you can play it.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
No.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I just think I think what I've read in recent days,
and I think it's a fair take, is that Caleb's
style and he got into some really bad habits, as
we've discussed his second year at USC, because he didn't
trust the old line. They got blown out at Notre Dame.
Lincoln Riley didn't want to get him hurt. Lincoln didn't
trust the old line. Caleb didn't trust the old line.
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He got into really bad habits of hero Ball got
really bad. His tape was probably better the year before,
even though he's a year younger than the second year
when he started playing hero ball, and when you do
hero ball, your mechanic struggle. And then last year's staff
wasn't capable enough to correct that stuff. I think Ben
Johnson is and is holding him accountable. But I do
think it's interesting the wording used for the backup Tyson Bagon.
(12:59):
I just think that was fairly intentional.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Yeah, Colin, I will note we're now on two straight seasons,
as you just noted of hero ball and bad football
from Caleb Williams. He was bad in his final year
at USC, we would agree, and he was not good
last year as a rookies. Such two straight football seasons
of subparer football, I.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Think I think, you know, Ben Johnson nickname should be
the janitor. He's just trying to clean stuff up in Chicago.
He's trying to clean up the culture. He's trying to
clean up the offense. He's trying to clean up the
offensive line. He's trying to clean up Caleb Williams. This this,
this is a heavy lift that that he's got a
lot of stuff to clean up, you know. Yeah, and
(13:43):
by the way, vrabel does in New England as well.
But Vrabel's got a quarterback that looked pretty good. They
had three hundred million dollars they spent on free agency,
so Vrabel's got to clean some stuff up. But that
franchise has a history with that ownership of winning a
lot of big games. But Chicago's not winning big games.
They don't have the culture. They can't get the old
line right, they can't get quarterback right now they've got Caleb.
(14:06):
There's some urgency issues, so there's a list. Is not
an easy Matt Lafleur taken over for Mike McCarthy and
trying to get on Aaron Rodgers' good side. That was
a pretty easy lift. That was a pretty I mean,
you gotta get on Aaron's good So Aaron was closer
to his prime. Aaron just wanted a new guy. Generationally,
they were closer in age. Chicago is a big lift.
(14:27):
This is not an easy job.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Remember, Drake May was not brought in to save the Patriots.
He was not a generational talent. Caleb Williams as.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
To do both of those things.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
People were asking, would Caleb be the greatest quarterback in
franchise history? Nobody said that about nobodys saying that there's
no pressure on Drake May, Like I do think Caleb
is gonna start to feel the weight of what's going
on in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
No, I do think this is and it's also Chicago
it's a big, loud market, you know, rival with the Packers.
It's a big, big lift. I mean, nobody thought is
going to be John Elway. Nobody thinks he's Peyton Manning sewn.
Peyton just wants him to be as close to Drew
Brees as he can get to get this organization winning again.
(15:10):
So bo Nix doesn't have a lot of pressure. Washington
was a dumpster fire during Daniel Snyder's ownership. There wasn't
a huge pressure on him. Drake May isn't viewed as
Brady so and even Michael Pennix when you drop you know,
when you go to Atlanta, how much pressure is it.
You could argue it's an SEC market as much as
an NFL market. You could argue there is there is
heat on Caleb William.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
JJ McCarthy probably has the second most pressure from that class,
given that they won fourteen games with Darnold last year.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yes, that's fair. I would say that that's totally fair.
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Speaker 1 (16:22):
You know, I talked about this before, and it just
it's the way our brains usually work. The more beautiful
or aesthetically pleasing something is film, art, sports, the greater
stature we hold it in. A great example is Larry
Bird had a beautiful game, the three point shots, the
(16:43):
clever passing. I mean, who doesn't love watching old Larry
Bird highlights? You watch old Tim Duncan highlights, Magic Bird, MJ,
Doctor J. Aesthetically pleasing. We think of them so fondly,
Tim Duncan. There's an argument, was you know, it's better
in all of them. There's an argument, but it wasn't pleasing.
(17:05):
I always said this about Brady. Brady retires. Brady wasn't
beautiful to watch. He was smart, he was efficient, He
got rid of the ball quickly. Dimnity retires five minutes later.
Mahomes is better. It's like now, Tom, they played a
couple times, like in a super Bowl, in a Big
AFC showdown, in the playoffs. Tom won both of them. Yeah,
(17:25):
in Kansas City super Bowl. Yeah, Tom won both and
has more trophies and is the greatest quarterback of all time.
But the minute Tom said, ah, Mahomes, because Mahomes game.
He's throwing left handed, the side arm stuff. It's a
beautifully esthetically pleasing game. And I've always said it's hard
with athletes like that when they get old, like with Brady,
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like at forty four, he felt like he was thirty
four because he was still smart, still efficient, still got
rid of it quickly. And but like with Aaron Rodgers,
his resume is you view him not his reality. So
there is another story out of Pittsburgh, Christopher Barbary of
steeernation dot com raising red flags on Aaron's training camp
(18:13):
that sounds so much like the Jets. Not enough balls
down the field, too many short passes and checkdowns, and
he doesn't trust a number two receiver. Yet that's the Jets.
Here's the thing. You're not into reality with Aaron because
he's so beautiful to watch throw the ball. It's Marino
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and Aaron through the prettiest ball ever. Peyton Manning doesn't,
Tom Brady doesn't. And so you're all into the resume.
You have such fond memories and not the reality. Do
you know that since twenty twenty two, Aaron's last year
in Green Bay, he has fewer big plays downfield than
Derek Carr. You think of Derek Carr, you're a ding
(18:54):
dunk guy. But Derek's not beautiful to watch Aaron is.
And so this is what I've said about this team.
Aaron's forty one year old guy. He don't want to
get hit. He didn't trust the Jets on line, he
got rid of it. He doesn't trust the Steelers on line.
He shouldn't. PFF this morning. Had the Steelers all line
under the Jets old line last year and going into
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this season, he doesn't trust them and he shouldn't. Defensive
head coaches can struggle with old lines. Robert Sala like him,
Mike Tomlin like him. Old liones can't figure it out.
McVeigh figures it out in an offseason, So does Andy Reid,
so does Sean Payton. Sean Payton fix the Denver old
line in four months, and so forty one year old
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wealthy quarterbacks. There are certain things that are true. They
don't want to get hit, and sixty one year old
rich guys. They're things that are true. They don't want
to change their oil, they don't want to go to
the DMV, they don't want to sit in coach on
a plane. There are just truths about as you a
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if you are financially comfortable, Aaron, you don't want to
get hit. And DK metcalf is their only proven star receiver.
So your teams are gonna roll the coverage over and say,
beat us with Scotty Miller, beat us with a run game.
Trust your offensive line, sit in the pocket like you
can see what's gonna happen here. So, as I've said before,
(20:20):
it's not right now. The Steelers defense, which is good,
it's not great. Let's not kid ourselves. It's not Philadelphia
last year. It's not that good. It's good. Tomlin's good
at it, it's not that good. Is dominating Aaron in practice.
And I think a lot of this is Aaron's rich
forty one, close to the end and he didn't want to.
(20:42):
He doesn't trust that offensive line. You're not gonna sit
in there for an extra second, an extra beat. I
don't blame him. Here's Tomlin on the Steelers offense.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
I just think it's usual for this time of year.
Defense is usually developed a little faster than offenses to
get to know the cohesion that's required to be good.
It's just a component of it. And so Noah alarm Bell's.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
There, Okay, he's right for the record, defense which is
more about playing fast and blowing stuff up. It's it's
you know, they talk about this in baseball, like pitching
can be ahead of hitting or vice versa, defense is
usually ahead of offense. It's not in Cincinnati, by the way,
with Joe Burrow, according to reports. But that's some of it.
(21:27):
But I think the bigger picture is the reality of
a forty one year old who's recently had a big
surgery with an old line he doesn't trust. I would
be the same way as Aaron Rodgers. I'm not sitting
in there for an extra second. J Mack with a news.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Turn on the news. This is the headline.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
News, all right, Colin, Let's get started with the Buffalo Bills.
My pick to win the Super Bowl this year. Just
keeping that out there.
Speaker 7 (21:54):
Well.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Their nemesis in the postseason has been the Kansas City Chiefs,
who have eliminated them in the postseason war of the
last five years. Bill gm Brandon Bean says he can't
focus on the past. He told the media, we just
have to keep moving forward to try to keep there.
It's a play here or a play there.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
We're close.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
We can't just prepare the team to beat the Chiefs.
There are a lot of good teams in the AFC.
I don't think we're far away. We just have to
make a stop here or there. We haven't made the
stop we needed. We feel like we've upgraded our defense
for that reason.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
We got to get key stops.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Hard knocks. By the way, Buffalo Bill's hard knocks. Josh
Allen's impossible not to like. Here's an interesting stat. Since
twenty eighteen, Josh Allen has accounted for the most total
touchdowns in the league two hundred and sixty two to
mahomes two hundred and fifty nine. So I think with
Josh Allen, we can't hold his career to just well.
(22:50):
He doesn't have a bunch of trophies. He is an
all time player. He is an all time talent. Do
you believe? And does this not a shot at Sean McDermott,
who is more than capable. He is more than capable.
If Josh got Reid and Mahomes got McDermott, you think
Josh would have one.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
I do.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I'm not saying he'd have as many, but he'd have one.
So we have to contextualize all these quarterbacks. It is
an advantage to get Andy Reid or for Bonnicks to
get Sean Payton. It's absolutely advantage, and I love Bonnicks.
But do I think he would have done as well
if he went to Atlanta Raheem Morris, No, I don't.
(23:33):
So it's when I look at Josh, I'm like, I don't.
I don't really care. I've never been a big stats guy.
I don't really care. He's one of the three most
talented quarterbacks in my entire life of watching football. That's
how good I think he is.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Well, I mean, so Dan Marino goes and gets Shula
and you're like, Oh, that's a great parent, that's great.
They still couldn't break through, you know, Josh has to
I'm not blaming the coach for all this. Some of
them in the past, like last year, remember the playoff
lost to the Chiefs. They kept doing the brotherly shove
toush push. It wasn't didn't work. That's bad coaching, right,
(24:07):
it's not working. You hadn't kepted it.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
What I felt like, I felt like they were ad
libbing in a playoff game. We said it on the air.
They did not. Tom Brady was the best before the
Toush push. Tom Brady, obsessed with preparation, was unbelievable. On
fourth down, Josh Allen looked like they were winging it.
And so yeah, and again it says not a knock.
I think I liked the owner of the Bells, I
(24:30):
like the GM, I liked the coach, I love the quarterback.
But I do feel like we gotta be honest about this.
Who your coach is as a quarterback, mat go look
at John Elway. He got Mike Shanahan. They started winning
super Bowls. That's not to say that Dan Reeves wasn't
a good coach. Mike Shanahan was a better fit as
(24:51):
a coach.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
It could be Colin that against the Chiefs in January,
everybody gets in their head a little bit too much.
Remember the Ravens who had I think a top five
running game two years ago, stop running and they wanted
Their game plan was let throw the football.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
It was mystifying.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
I think the running backs had like four carries, some
ridiculous number.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
No, there's no question teams went into Foxboro and Brady's
trime and they melted like they They made mistakes that
didn't normally make. There were many times I felt in New
England wasn't as talented as the Baltimore Ravens team they
played in the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Yeah, how about Kyle Shanahan's Kyle Shanahan up ten in
the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl and just gag
it away against the Chiefs back in Miami pre COVID.
Let's go to the next story, So the Dallas Cowboys, Colin,
Jerry and Micah's war of words continues. Yesterday at camp,
Jerry started telling a story about when he bought the
team and how the deal went down. Taking a shot
(25:47):
at his star pass rusher in the meantime, take a listen.
Speaker 7 (25:51):
I bought the Dallas Cowboys with a handshake. Took about
thirty seconds and gave the numbers, shook hands. The detail
we worked out later. As a matter of fact, won
the details involved a lot of money and we had
to flip a coin over that. But the fundamental I'm
buying and you're going to sell it to me for
that range, that's done, and those are done with eye
(26:14):
contact and handshake. In the case of a player or contract,
you have to have it in writing. All parties do
we have a contract in writing, Yet we're still talking
about and renegotiating it.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Colin, there's a report on the internet that when Jerry
bought the Cowboys he took a horse and buggy to
the meeting when he had that handshake deal. Things have
changed a little bit in the ensuing minor eighty seven years.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
No, let me just say, wait, you're not defending Jerry.
I'm just saying if in fact they did have an
agreement and they said, I mean, I've done this before.
I'm not going to get into my stuff, but I've
done this before where I've talked to somebody over the
phone or I've met him and said listen, here's the number,
here's the years you want to do it, and we don't.
(27:07):
Nobody backs down. I've never had a boss back down
if they agreed in the meeting. So if they did agree,
you should have ethical values when it comes to that stuff.
Not everything has to be down. And if they had
a meeting, or if they sat down and went year's
number guarantee and there were and they made eye contact
and shake hands. In my life, anytime I've agreed to
(27:29):
somebody in person, nobody's ever backed out, and I certainly haven't.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
That's not fair, Colin, because Micah Parsons is not well
versed in contracts and the market. That's not his job.
His job is to play football. He can't go into
a meeting and make some handshake deal on his contract
with Jerry Jones, who's been negotiating contracts for decades.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
That's not right to me.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Isn't Jerry trying to take advantage of his guy, Micah?
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Well, of course management always is. So that's wrong. So
you're siding with that man taking it taking advantages a
little strong, But I think you know management with Jerry
wants to meet you in person, he doesn't want the agent.
Management always wants to meet you in person. They don't
want to deal with the agent. I mean, that's the
way it always works in every industry.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
I cannot believe that you're even a little bit thinking
Jerry's in the oka.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
No, I'm not. I'm saying I don't know what happened.
If they met eye contact, talked and agreed on something.
I think that holds. You know, Jerry wants to, for
the record, talk to the player individually and not the
agent because he feels he can get a better deal.
That's I've seen that happen a lot in a lot
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of businesses. I'll say that. But he's trying to.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Take advantage of his star.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Let me tell you something. Billionaires are always trying to
take advantage of millionaires. That's just the way I want, right.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
You fight for the billionaires, buddy, I will bet the
little people. I will bet be a defender of the
little guy like Michael Parsons, who's going to make forty
million dollars year. Anyways, let's go to the final story,
Colin and Oh the New York Giants. The gmon Oh
Malik Neighbors was a stud as a rookie well, guess
what Russell Wilson is really vibing with his star wide
(29:15):
receiver Brian Dables says the veteran quarterback has been a
huge help to the young fellow.
Speaker 8 (29:22):
I think he's had a very positive impact on the league.
They have a good relationship. They spend a lot of
time in the meeting room and then they spend time outside.
Just in terms of body maintenance, how Russ takes care
of his body, the things he's done to have a long,
long career at least, kind of grab hold of that.
Ask a lot of questions. Is very involved. I'm talking
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about Malik and the meetings communicated.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I think the biggest obstacle for the Giants is that
schedule in the first six weeks. I've never seen. It
is easily the toughest schedule in the league in the
first six to seven weeks. It's brutal. Yeah, So even
if they played well and executed, they could go own six.
It's tough.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
So I know you're a big fantasy football guy. Neighbors
was a beast last year, and I know nobody watches
the Giants because they're garbage. But I'm just telling you,
if Neighbors can beat to like Pickens was for Russ
last year. They could start fairly well. Those two will
have a connection, and the run game was kind of
good with the young kid, I believe from Purdue Tracy
(30:30):
it was solid. They just don't have enough good players.
And I think Brian Dable is a dead man walking.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
This is me. Yeah, tough schedule. It's they're not without talent,
left tackle, receiver, offensive coach. I think they upgraded their
old line, pass rushers Dexter Lawrence. They've got players. They're
not without talent. Don't have a quote in that well.
And also Philadelphia's got the best roster in the league
and they play them twice in division, so I mean
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a lot of it is in Washington's a totally different franchise.
So the Giants are not without talent that they They've
got some. If they get a great quarterback in a draft,
then it's I don't think they're that far off. There
are a couple of teams. The Giants are one of them.
To me, if they got a great quarterback, you'd look
up and go, it's a viable team. I really do.
(31:17):
I believe that. I don't think they're that far away.
Jmack with the news.
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Speaker 1 (32:06):
So we've been talking because we're talking so much. Caleb
Williams to start, it makes us hearken back to the
two young quarterbacks last year that crushed Jade and Daniels Washington,
Bo Nickson Denver, and I'm going to get to the
story in a second, which I think is really fascinating
about why you should spend money on coaching, and why
white coaching in college and pro you're always better off
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to just pay the money for a really elite, proven coach.
But Bo Nicks, as we talked about yesterday, is it's
really good. And because he's in Denver and not in
the NFC East playing the Cowboys and the Giants and
the Eagles, bo Nix's season got a little bit lost.
He had the most passing yards, he had the most
(32:50):
passing touchdowns, he had the most completions. Last year in
a division that had better defenses than the ones, Jayden
Daniels faced Steve Spagnola, Kansas City Jesse Minner, and the
Chargers defense was top one or two in the league.
So he got a little overshadowed. And from Week four
until the end of the regular season, he had twenty
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eight touchdowns, nine picks, and a passer rating over one
hundred and Sean Payton says, in this camp, he looks
even better than last year.
Speaker 9 (33:19):
If you look at it, you got like these twelve seconds,
you get to play the cadence to snap count and
then you know, can you remind the back Hey, you
might be the prime you know the little reminders. He's
way much I mean, he's light years further along. He's
doing well.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
So there's another story today that I think is really important.
Remember when the Chargers, you know, they were looking for
a coach and I said just to solve all your
problems at once. Your defense is way better than it
played again with Brandon Staley, Go spend the money on
Jim Harball, Go spend twenty million on the staff. And
they went and got Jim Harball, and instantly the culture
(34:01):
was different. And I said the same thing with you know,
like Denver, he'd either hire like they were going to
hire John Harball was getting talked about, or Jim Harball
or Sean Payton. Just there's certain things you should spend
money on. Mattresses and head coaches. With both, you'll sleep
better at night. But there's a great quote here about
(34:23):
from Seth Wickersham about drafting bow Nicks when he drafted him,
and it says, I'll get criticized for taking bow Nicks
at twelve. Peyton told Wickersham, I don't give a blank
three years from now is what I'm worried about. And
because Peyton is going to make it into the Hall
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of Fame as a coach, he can be more authentic
and truer with his acquisitions and trades. Remember when Harball
got to the Chargers, everybody's screaming, you got to take
a receiver. Harbaugh's like Now I'm gonna take Joe Alt.
You already got a great left tackle for Shaun Slater.
Now I'm gonna take Joe Wall. I'm gonna take a
right tackle. Nobody questioned it. The locker room, the front office,
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the ownership galvanized. You trust Jim Young, coach Ugh right
tackle over. You know, whoever the great receiver is. This
is classic. That's why you spend the money on a
Jim Harbaugh or a John Harbaugh or Andy Reid. And
(35:31):
remember when Andy Reid goes to Kansas City. I mean,
were there that many buyers on Alex Smith, you know,
like like and he just kept sticking with Alex Smith
and he believed in Alex Smith. Well, if Andy does,
I believe in him too. And that's like with Aaron Glenn.
We don't know if he's any good he's good coordinator,
we don't know. And so not only do championships validate
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you with Peyton and Jim Harbaugh at college or probe,
but I think when it comes to player acquisition and
draft picks, when when you have the big name coach,
it's easier to galvanize a locker room. It's easier to
get the trust of the ownership, like I think, for instance,
Kevin Stefanski's excellent, but I think Jimmy Haslam I think
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a lot of times he's breathing down his neck, and
I think Stefanski's great. So I think you're allowed to
take bigger swings when you pay for the big coach.
I think you're allowed to be truer and more authentic
to what you really need. But just Sean Peyton, who's
got a healthy ego and confidence acknowledging in this story,
(36:36):
acknowledging I'm gonna get crap for this, Sean Payton saying
I'm gonna have to endure this I got, I better
be ready for it. It tells you the truth about
the NFL is that how the media reacts has always mattered.
I've seen this before. When I used to work in Connecticut,
I would listen to WFAN, very popular New York radio station.
(36:59):
There was no question that that radio station in its
prime was absolutely listened to by baseball teams and football teams.
There was no question. I can remember one time, in particular,
the Mets. Everybody was banging on the Mets. It's like
you got to make a move. The Yankees are making
move and they went and got an outfielder. I think
(37:20):
it was Jason Was it Jason Bay? I think it was,
and he just didn't fit at the time. He didn't
fit the Mets. It wasn't gonna be the fit. But
they're like, I mean, I thought it was like, oh,
you're just influenced by this powerful, highly listened to, highly
effective radio station. And I felt it all the time
(37:43):
that the GM listened you know who. And I've been
told this before. Owners listen to sports talk radio and
they read the columns. Gms are busy, and often they don't,
but the owners and the owner's friends do. So you
get cultural buy in when you get a Sean Payton
or you get a Jim Harborough. And I think they're
just certain things. I would never go cheap on head
(38:05):
coach Mattress. You'll sleep better at night, all right. I
also think, oh, by the way, if you've missed this,
this was from a couple of days ago, and I
know in a summer in August, everybody's listening patterns are different.
On the show. I want to play this again because
I played it yesterday and he was on two days ago.
But I want to play this again. Sean Peyton, and
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he had texted me, and I'd been upfront with this.
Sean really liked bon Nicks. He liked him a lot,
and Sean and I had talked about it. I was
surprised he took the Denver job, but I had said
before Peyton's taken bon Nicks, it is I just what
listening to Sean over dinner the twenty interviews I did
with him. I know what Sean likes and I knew
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what bon Nicks delivered. It was a perfect fit. But
Seth Wickersham came on the show and said it beyond that,
there was a little secret sauce in why Sean Payton
like bo Necks from Oregon.
Speaker 10 (39:04):
I sat down with Sean Payton and this was in
March of twenty twenty four. Everybody knew that the Broncos
were in the market for a quarterback. He opened a
folder and there was all this data on the folder
and bow Knix was at the top of the list,
and I was like, what is this? And Sean Payton
had developed his own analytics formula to try to judge
processing speed of college quarterbacks and he started it back
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when he scouted Patrick Mahomes in twenty seventeen, and when
he ran the twenty twenty four quarterbacks through the formula,
bo Nix was by far the most efficient, and it
wasn't even close. And Caleb Williams, by the way, was
one of the last ones of the first round of
the guys who ended up going in the first round.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I thought that was the bite of the week on
our show, that he had devised his own analytic formula.
And for the record, Jimmy Johnson, remember Jimmy Johnson is
the guy who developed his own draft chart, like what
should we get if we make a trade? You can't
just wing it, So Jimmy Johnson and teams still use
(40:08):
it today, devised his own draft chart. I look at
it often, like if I'm trading for a third rounder,
what do I got to give up? And teams kind
of just ad libbed it until Jimmy Johnson created that chart.
So and again it doesn't mean it's a perfect chart,
but the things that matter to Sean Payton, like when
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you have twelve seconds on the clock and you've got
to call an audible and move a running back over
to chip block and you've got a rookie tight end
and you've got to make sure there's a lot of
stuff you're looking for. And I think through the years
with Drew Brees, I think probably Sean has certain things
that matter a lot to him. In that final eleven
twelve seconds of the clock, the efficiency and Mahomes was
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at the top of the chart, Drew Brees would have been,
and bo Nix was and that's why draft him, all right,
Jay mac Joe Thomas stopping by the My lead today
was there is a rising chorus of people that think
should Sanders starting Friday is low level sabotage by the
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Cleveland Brown.
Speaker 5 (41:18):
I mean, listen, Let's remember Tom Brady doesn't become Tom
Brady if Drew Bledsoe doesn't get knocked the hell out
by Moe Lewis of the New.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
York Jets, and Brady goes in and the rest is history.
Speaker 5 (41:28):
Maybe Shuder gets his chance in the preseason, crushes it,
and he secures the number one job.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
I will watch.
Speaker 6 (41:35):
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we go. It is a Wednesday, and we are
live in August and Living Color. Ready to roll. A
lot of things happening today. Joe Thomas stops by way
in on Shuder Sanders, who's getting the start Friday against Caroline.
I'll get to that in a second. Philip Rivers is
(00:49):
stopping by the show as well, one of the great
trash talkers of all time. Many many subscribe to the
belief he is a Hall of Famer. Some do, some don't,
but an interesting guy. He'll be joining us. I don't
like to lecture the American sports media, but I've said
this before. In politics, there's a lot of conspiracy theories,
(01:12):
and I'm hoping that in our business sports we try
to stay away from those. But there's one that's dangling
out there that is patently absurd right now. And here
it is so Shadoor Sanders, Kevin Stefanska. They've had all
sorts of quarterback injuries. He's going to start Friday, and
he's only had one pray. They'll only have one practice
(01:34):
with the ones, and he's going to start. And this
is now being called sabotage. And this is not just
like crazy internet dweb, it's like network people. It's sabotage.
Cleveland doesn't want him to succeed. Okay, let's start with this.
Josh Dobbs was acquired by the Minnesota Vikings and had
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to start and did not get a single practice. Remember
that game, three touchdowns, no picks, one hundred and two
passer rating, completed sixty six percent of his throws, didn't
know the playbook, teammates coordinator, coach, didn't get a practice,
won the game. Baker Mayfield, we're friendemies now. Baker Mayfield
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came to the Rams on a Tuesday, had to play
Thursday against the Raiders ninety eight yard fourth quarter game
winning drive with a single practice in the highly sophisticated
Sean McVay offense, a timing offense, a rhythm offense, one practice.
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Shadoor Sanders has been with the Browns through OTA's rookie
Minnie camp and training camp. He knows the playbook, the
head coach, the coordinator, and his teammates. And because he
only gets one practice with the Ones, it's sabotage. You've
got to be kidding me. Stop pandering, stop protecting media.
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The great Ones would consider this an amazing opportunity, and
he probably does, but we got to stop this. If
I was Kevin Stefanski and they're hemorrhaging quarterbacks because of injuries,
and you don't need to see Joe Flacco. The last
thing we need to see is Joe Flacco, I would
make an argument, well, rich dad, famous dad, Let's give
(03:26):
him a little turbulence. Let's give him a little challenge here.
So if Kevin Stefanski and I don't think that's the
reason they're doing it, but I could absolutely see a
coach saying famous rich. I mean, wasn't it wasn't it
Shador who called himself legendary in the draft room. Let's
see if he is. But the idea at some level
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of a sabotage. Maybe Kevin wants to just see what
his speed limit is. The Other part of this that's
ridiculous is how many reps the first team guys play
in the preseason. He's gonna end up playing with twos,
threes and fours, which is what he's practicing with Cleveland,
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and there's not If you look at Cleveland's wide receiving corps,
they're not a big gap between the ones, twos, threes,
and fours. It's one of the worst receiving corps in
the league. And they're dealing with massive injuries at quarterbacks.
So there's absolutely no value in screwing over Shador Sanders.
He may not be the future, but the perfect scenario
actually is he plays kind of well, establishes himself as
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a backup. You move off Kenny Pickett, get a draft pick,
probably a fifth or sixth seventh rounder, and then at
the end of the year, because he's shown himself to
be a capable backup, you get another six seventh round
pick for Shaduur and that gives you more picks to
get Arch Manning or Drew Aller or the Nussmeyer kid
at LSU. That's all Cleveland's doing this year. They know
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they're not good. They would love Shador Sanders. I mean,
would there be a better story for Cleveland. He's a
perfect scenario. Well, perfect scenario is getting arch Manning next year,
but to get him you'll need extra picks. The perfect
scenario to get you some help out from under that
awful Deshaun Watson contract is Shadur is good this year
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and arch Manning is great next year, you're home free.
That's what Denver did with bon Nicks. Oh, the Russell
Wilson dead cap money. Oh, Bonnicks is good and he's
mostly free. So the idea, I mean, first of all,
sabotage is Kevin Stefanski's trying to retain his job. The owner,
(05:34):
I don't know if you've noticed, is a little impulsive.
In Cleveland, right, there's Nick Saban rumors there's a connection
between the Mannings and Saban and Jimmy Haslam and Jimmy Sexton.
So this is just a ridiculous story. I mean, I'm
not a huge fan of brock Purty, but brock Purty
was third string, and then Trey Lance wasn't good. Quickly
(05:56):
he was second. Then Garoppolo gets hurt in the game
and he's thrust in to the starting role mid game.
He had no reps with the one couple ten days earlier,
he's a three, and he took advantage of it. That's
what the great athletes do. They have a level of
arrogance and belief that they look at this as an opportunity,
and I think Shadoor probably does. But the idea that
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this is like gaining steam multiple day trending, well, you know,
they don't want to see him succeed. It's Cleveland the
world best scenario. He looks great against Carolina. They can
move Kenny Pickett, get a six round pick, and then
move Shador next year and get another one. They need
as many picks as they can. If they win five games,
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have the number two pick to give up the house
to get Arcs Manning. Here's Kevin Stefanski on Shador, the
situation of the start coming up.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
We'll play Shador at quarterback. We just signed Snoop Puntley,
as you guys saw, we'll see get Snoop back up
the speed. My expectations for Shador are no different than
the rest of the guys. Honestly, Mary kay that we
expect them to go operate. When you get in these
preseason games, you try to keep it very simple so
that guys can play fast all concepts that our players
know and can kind of not think too much and
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just play ball.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, Josh Dobbs, no practices. Baker Mayfield won in by
the way mcveigh's system and Kevin O'Connell's system, those are
complex system, no practice, one practice, and Baker and Josh
Dobbs saw it as an unbelievable opportunity and both crushed. Okay,
So I'm just doing basically daily updates on Caleb Williams.
(07:36):
So whenever I see the word sloppy, it's always like, well,
it is sloppy, a lack of focus, a lack of effort.
So Ben Johnson said he was saying Sunday after Caleb
Williams performance, he said, you know, we're sloppier than i'd
want to be at this point. We had a couple
of good practices, we had a step back. I just
(08:00):
not where we want to be at this point. Okay, okay,
ok fine, okay, okay, fine, But did you hear what
he said about Caleb William's backup Tyson Pageant?
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Man, he's been he's been phenomenal. I mean he's smart
as a whip. Appreciate the seriousness and intent that he
brings every time he walks into a room, you know,
meeting room, walk through. It doesn't matter. He's locked in,
he's focused, he's preparing the right way, and I couldn't
be more thrilled that he's here with us.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Tyson Bajent Okay, So I just think about that. Coaches
with young quarterbacks tend to be very careful with their words,
very intentional. He's serious, he's focused, he's locked in, smart
as a whip. The other guy's sloppy. I'm sorry. If
a director of the film says, right now, our lead actor,
(08:53):
you've got to be patient, but wey, I'll tell you
the supporting cast, whoo, they are locked in and focused.
That's insinuating the lead isn't locked in. I don't know.
It's something you don't have to be Sherlock Home to
connect these dots, right, it's I think we have to
(09:15):
be honest about this. Ben Johnson has worked with a
number one pick before, Jared Goff, and he's now worked
with undrafted quarterback Tyson Bagent. Okay, So he's got you know,
the variables of what he's worked with are pretty wide.
So he's seen gifted and he's seen hardworking. And now
I read something recently which I thought was an interesting take,
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and sorry for not giving it credit, but it was
an interesting take. Somebody said that Ben Johnson and Caleb
was always going to be a little rough because Ben Johnson,
like a Kyle Shanahan, has a precise, precision based offense.
Jared Goff was second in NFL completion percentage last season.
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Here's the play. Follow the play, follow my scheme, distribute
the ball accurately. That's Ben Jonson. That's what Kyle Shanahan loves.
That's what Kyle Shanahan loves. Okay, and Caleb's the opposite
of that stylistically. So there is an argument out there
(10:17):
that these two, what Ben has coached so far is
actually more shanahan Esque, more schematic based. Follow the play.
You can add lib a little, but by the way
Sean Payton, he wants you to run his play, and
that's not really Caleb's style, So that the two are
(10:38):
not an ideal fit. That does not mean they can't work,
but I do think, let's be honest, if this thing
is ugly, Ben Johnson came to Chicago with a prenup.
He's gonna win this divorce. Okay, he's the boy genius.
He multiple teams interested. Caleb's already had a bad year.
If he struggled with the second coaching staff, you start
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point at the quarterback. So it's just I don't know
what it's not. It's not that big of a deal
that you know. Caleb was a little sloppy, okay, but
the other guy, whooh hoys. He locked in kind of
felt intentional, like he was trying to say something. But again,
(11:20):
I don't want to be out here throwing heaters, J mack.
That's not what I do. I'm not out here to
ruffle feathers. But it it was kind of, you know,
so a little over the top, locked in, prepared, focus,
smart as a whip. That's a little mu wouldn't you
have just thought of like, I'm not gonna go overboard
in the backup, be like, hey, he's a hustler, he's
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gonna be a great backup for us. He is. He
is doing a great job. A little intentional in the wording.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
I think he's sending a message pretty clearly, right, I mean,
that's that's the goal here. We got to get Caleb
up to speed. He's sloppy, it's not working. Let me
ask you, con I we brought up the whole Will
Caleb be bench this year? I'm gonna I'm gonna fast
track it. Will he be benched once before Halloween? So
we're talking first eight weeks of the season. Will Ben
be so fed up? He's like, Caleb, I'm pulling you.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I I don't know. I'm not going to bet that.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
You're afraid huh because you think you can play it.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
No.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I just think I think what I've read in recent days,
and I think it's a fair take, is that Caleb's
style and he got into some really bad habits, as
we've discussed his second year at USC, because he didn't
trust the old line. They got blown out at Notre Dame.
Lincoln Riley didn't want to get him hurt. Lincoln didn't
trust the old line. Caleb didn't trust the old line.
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He got into really bad habits of hero Ball got
really bad. His tape was probably better the year before,
even though he's a year younger than the second year
when he started playing hero ball, and when you do
hero ball, your mechanic struggle. And then last year's staff
wasn't capable enough to correct that stuff. I think Ben
Johnson is and is holding him accountable. But I do
think it's interesting the wording used for the backup Tyson Bagon.
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I just think that was fairly intentional.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Yeah, Colin, I will note we're now on two straight seasons,
as you just noted of hero ball and bad football
from Caleb Williams. He was bad in his final year
at USC, we would agree, and he was not good
last year as a rookies. Such two straight football seasons
of subparer football, I.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Think I think, you know, Ben Johnson nickname should be
the janitor. He's just trying to clean stuff up in Chicago.
He's trying to clean up the culture. He's trying to
clean up the offense. He's trying to clean up the
offensive line. He's trying to clean up Caleb Williams. This this,
this is a heavy lift that that he's got a
lot of stuff to clean up, you know. Yeah, and
(13:43):
by the way, vrabel does in New England as well.
But Vrabel's got a quarterback that looked pretty good. They
had three hundred million dollars they spent on free agency,
so Vrabel's got to clean some stuff up. But that
franchise has a history with that ownership of winning a
lot of big games. But Chicago's not winning big games.
They don't have the culture. They can't get the old
line right, they can't get quarterback right now they've got Caleb.
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There's some urgency issues, so there's a list. Is not
an easy Matt Lafleur taken over for Mike McCarthy and
trying to get on Aaron Rodgers' good side. That was
a pretty easy lift. That was a pretty I mean,
you gotta get on Aaron's good So Aaron was closer
to his prime. Aaron just wanted a new guy. Generationally,
they were closer in age. Chicago is a big lift.
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This is not an easy job.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Remember, Drake May was not brought in to save the Patriots.
He was not a generational talent. Caleb Williams as.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
To do both of those things.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
People were asking, would Caleb be the greatest quarterback in
franchise history? Nobody said that about nobodys saying that there's
no pressure on Drake May, Like I do think Caleb
is gonna start to feel the weight of what's going
on in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
No, I do think this is and it's also Chicago
it's a big, loud market, you know, rival with the Packers.
It's a big, big lift. I mean, nobody thought is
going to be John Elway. Nobody thinks he's Peyton Manning sewn.
Peyton just wants him to be as close to Drew
Brees as he can get to get this organization winning again.
(15:10):
So bo Nix doesn't have a lot of pressure. Washington
was a dumpster fire during Daniel Snyder's ownership. There wasn't
a huge pressure on him. Drake May isn't viewed as
Brady so and even Michael Pennix when you drop you know,
when you go to Atlanta, how much pressure is it.
You could argue it's an SEC market as much as
an NFL market. You could argue there is there is
heat on Caleb William.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
JJ McCarthy probably has the second most pressure from that class,
given that they won fourteen games with Darnold last year.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yes, that's fair. I would say that that's totally fair.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
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Speaker 1 (16:22):
You know, I talked about this before, and it just
it's the way our brains usually work. The more beautiful
or aesthetically pleasing something is film, art, sports, the greater
stature we hold it in. A great example is Larry
Bird had a beautiful game, the three point shots, the
(16:43):
clever passing. I mean, who doesn't love watching old Larry
Bird highlights? You watch old Tim Duncan highlights, Magic Bird, MJ,
Doctor J. Aesthetically pleasing. We think of them so fondly,
Tim Duncan. There's an argument, was you know, it's better
in all of them. There's an argument, but it wasn't pleasing.
(17:05):
I always said this about Brady. Brady retires. Brady wasn't
beautiful to watch. He was smart, he was efficient, He
got rid of the ball quickly. Dimnity retires five minutes later.
Mahomes is better. It's like now, Tom, they played a
couple times, like in a super Bowl, in a Big
AFC showdown, in the playoffs. Tom won both of them. Yeah,
(17:25):
in Kansas City super Bowl. Yeah, Tom won both and
has more trophies and is the greatest quarterback of all time.
But the minute Tom said, ah, Mahomes, because Mahomes game.
He's throwing left handed, the side arm stuff. It's a
beautifully esthetically pleasing game. And I've always said it's hard
with athletes like that when they get old, like with Brady,
(17:48):
like at forty four, he felt like he was thirty
four because he was still smart, still efficient, still got
rid of it quickly. And but like with Aaron Rodgers,
his resume is you view him not his reality. So
there is another story out of Pittsburgh, Christopher Barbary of
steeernation dot com raising red flags on Aaron's training camp
(18:13):
that sounds so much like the Jets. Not enough balls
down the field, too many short passes and checkdowns, and
he doesn't trust a number two receiver. Yet that's the Jets.
Here's the thing. You're not into reality with Aaron because
he's so beautiful to watch throw the ball. It's Marino
(18:34):
and Aaron through the prettiest ball ever. Peyton Manning doesn't,
Tom Brady doesn't. And so you're all into the resume.
You have such fond memories and not the reality. Do
you know that since twenty twenty two, Aaron's last year
in Green Bay, he has fewer big plays downfield than
Derek Carr. You think of Derek Carr, you're a ding
(18:54):
dunk guy. But Derek's not beautiful to watch Aaron is.
And so this is what I've said about this team.
Aaron's forty one year old guy. He don't want to
get hit. He didn't trust the Jets on line, he
got rid of it. He doesn't trust the Steelers on line.
He shouldn't. PFF this morning. Had the Steelers all line
under the Jets old line last year and going into
(19:16):
this season, he doesn't trust them and he shouldn't. Defensive
head coaches can struggle with old lines. Robert Sala like him,
Mike Tomlin like him. Old liones can't figure it out.
McVeigh figures it out in an offseason, So does Andy Reid,
so does Sean Payton. Sean Payton fix the Denver old
line in four months, and so forty one year old
(19:39):
wealthy quarterbacks. There are certain things that are true. They
don't want to get hit, and sixty one year old
rich guys. They're things that are true. They don't want
to change their oil, they don't want to go to
the DMV, they don't want to sit in coach on
a plane. There are just truths about as you a
(20:00):
if you are financially comfortable, Aaron, you don't want to
get hit. And DK metcalf is their only proven star receiver.
So your teams are gonna roll the coverage over and say,
beat us with Scotty Miller, beat us with a run game.
Trust your offensive line, sit in the pocket like you
can see what's gonna happen here. So, as I've said before,
(20:20):
it's not right now. The Steelers defense, which is good,
it's not great. Let's not kid ourselves. It's not Philadelphia
last year. It's not that good. It's good. Tomlin's good
at it, it's not that good. Is dominating Aaron in practice.
And I think a lot of this is Aaron's rich
forty one, close to the end and he didn't want to.
(20:42):
He doesn't trust that offensive line. You're not gonna sit
in there for an extra second, an extra beat. I
don't blame him. Here's Tomlin on the Steelers offense.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
I just think it's usual for this time of year.
Defense is usually developed a little faster than offenses to
get to know the cohesion that's required to be good.
It's just a component of it. And so Noah alarm Bell's.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
There, Okay, he's right for the record, defense which is
more about playing fast and blowing stuff up. It's it's
you know, they talk about this in baseball, like pitching
can be ahead of hitting or vice versa, defense is
usually ahead of offense. It's not in Cincinnati, by the way,
with Joe Burrow, according to reports. But that's some of it.
(21:27):
But I think the bigger picture is the reality of
a forty one year old who's recently had a big
surgery with an old line he doesn't trust. I would
be the same way as Aaron Rodgers. I'm not sitting
in there for an extra second. J Mack with a news.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Turn on the news. This is the headline.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
News, all right, Colin, Let's get started with the Buffalo Bills.
My pick to win the Super Bowl this year. Just
keeping that out there.
Speaker 7 (21:54):
Well.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Their nemesis in the postseason has been the Kansas City Chiefs,
who have eliminated them in the postseason war of the
last five years. Bill gm Brandon Bean says he can't
focus on the past. He told the media, we just
have to keep moving forward to try to keep there.
It's a play here or a play there.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
We're close.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
We can't just prepare the team to beat the Chiefs.
There are a lot of good teams in the AFC.
I don't think we're far away. We just have to
make a stop here or there. We haven't made the
stop we needed. We feel like we've upgraded our defense
for that reason.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
We got to get key stops.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Hard knocks. By the way, Buffalo Bill's hard knocks. Josh
Allen's impossible not to like. Here's an interesting stat. Since
twenty eighteen, Josh Allen has accounted for the most total
touchdowns in the league two hundred and sixty two to
mahomes two hundred and fifty nine. So I think with
Josh Allen, we can't hold his career to just well.
(22:50):
He doesn't have a bunch of trophies. He is an
all time player. He is an all time talent. Do
you believe? And does this not a shot at Sean McDermott,
who is more than capable. He is more than capable.
If Josh got Reid and Mahomes got McDermott, you think
Josh would have one.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
I do.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I'm not saying he'd have as many, but he'd have one.
So we have to contextualize all these quarterbacks. It is
an advantage to get Andy Reid or for Bonnicks to
get Sean Payton. It's absolutely advantage, and I love Bonnicks.
But do I think he would have done as well
if he went to Atlanta Raheem Morris, No, I don't.
(23:33):
So it's when I look at Josh, I'm like, I don't.
I don't really care. I've never been a big stats guy.
I don't really care. He's one of the three most
talented quarterbacks in my entire life of watching football. That's
how good I think he is.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Well, I mean, so Dan Marino goes and gets Shula
and you're like, Oh, that's a great parent, that's great.
They still couldn't break through, you know, Josh has to
I'm not blaming the coach for all this. Some of
them in the past, like last year, remember the playoff
lost to the Chiefs. They kept doing the brotherly shove
toush push. It wasn't didn't work. That's bad coaching, right,
(24:07):
it's not working. You hadn't kepted it.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
What I felt like, I felt like they were ad
libbing in a playoff game. We said it on the air.
They did not. Tom Brady was the best before the
Toush push. Tom Brady, obsessed with preparation, was unbelievable. On
fourth down, Josh Allen looked like they were winging it.
And so yeah, and again it says not a knock.
I think I liked the owner of the Bells, I
(24:30):
like the GM, I liked the coach, I love the quarterback.
But I do feel like we gotta be honest about this.
Who your coach is as a quarterback, mat go look
at John Elway. He got Mike Shanahan. They started winning
super Bowls. That's not to say that Dan Reeves wasn't
a good coach. Mike Shanahan was a better fit as
(24:51):
a coach.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
It could be Colin that against the Chiefs in January,
everybody gets in their head a little bit too much.
Remember the Ravens who had I think a top five
running game two years ago, stop running and they wanted
Their game plan was let throw the football.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
It was mystifying.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
I think the running backs had like four carries, some
ridiculous number.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
No, there's no question teams went into Foxboro and Brady's
trime and they melted like they They made mistakes that
didn't normally make. There were many times I felt in New
England wasn't as talented as the Baltimore Ravens team they
played in the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Yeah, how about Kyle Shanahan's Kyle Shanahan up ten in
the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl and just gag
it away against the Chiefs back in Miami pre COVID.
Let's go to the next story, So the Dallas Cowboys, Colin,
Jerry and Micah's war of words continues. Yesterday at camp,
Jerry started telling a story about when he bought the
team and how the deal went down. Taking a shot
(25:47):
at his star pass rusher in the meantime, take a listen.
Speaker 7 (25:51):
I bought the Dallas Cowboys with a handshake. Took about
thirty seconds and gave the numbers, shook hands. The detail
we worked out later. As a matter of fact, won
the details involved a lot of money and we had
to flip a coin over that. But the fundamental I'm
buying and you're going to sell it to me for
that range, that's done, and those are done with eye
(26:14):
contact and handshake. In the case of a player or contract,
you have to have it in writing. All parties do
we have a contract in writing, Yet we're still talking
about and renegotiating it.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Colin, there's a report on the internet that when Jerry
bought the Cowboys he took a horse and buggy to
the meeting when he had that handshake deal. Things have
changed a little bit in the ensuing minor eighty seven years.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
No, let me just say, wait, you're not defending Jerry.
I'm just saying if in fact they did have an
agreement and they said, I mean, I've done this before.
I'm not going to get into my stuff, but I've
done this before where I've talked to somebody over the
phone or I've met him and said listen, here's the number,
here's the years you want to do it, and we don't.
(27:07):
Nobody backs down. I've never had a boss back down
if they agreed in the meeting. So if they did agree,
you should have ethical values when it comes to that stuff.
Not everything has to be down. And if they had
a meeting, or if they sat down and went year's
number guarantee and there were and they made eye contact
and shake hands. In my life, anytime I've agreed to
(27:29):
somebody in person, nobody's ever backed out, and I certainly haven't.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
That's not fair, Colin, because Micah Parsons is not well
versed in contracts and the market. That's not his job.
His job is to play football. He can't go into
a meeting and make some handshake deal on his contract
with Jerry Jones, who's been negotiating contracts for decades.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
That's not right to me.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Isn't Jerry trying to take advantage of his guy, Micah?
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Well, of course management always is. So that's wrong. So
you're siding with that man taking it taking advantages a
little strong, But I think you know management with Jerry
wants to meet you in person, he doesn't want the agent.
Management always wants to meet you in person. They don't
want to deal with the agent. I mean, that's the
way it always works in every industry.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
I cannot believe that you're even a little bit thinking
Jerry's in the oka.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
No, I'm not. I'm saying I don't know what happened.
If they met eye contact, talked and agreed on something.
I think that holds. You know, Jerry wants to, for
the record, talk to the player individually and not the
agent because he feels he can get a better deal.
That's I've seen that happen a lot in a lot
(28:41):
of businesses. I'll say that. But he's trying to.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Take advantage of his star.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Let me tell you something. Billionaires are always trying to
take advantage of millionaires. That's just the way I want, right.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
You fight for the billionaires, buddy, I will bet the
little people. I will bet be a defender of the
little guy like Michael Parsons, who's going to make forty
million dollars year. Anyways, let's go to the final story,
Colin and Oh the New York Giants. The gmon Oh
Malik Neighbors was a stud as a rookie well, guess
what Russell Wilson is really vibing with his star wide
(29:15):
receiver Brian Dables says the veteran quarterback has been a
huge help to the young fellow.
Speaker 8 (29:22):
I think he's had a very positive impact on the league.
They have a good relationship. They spend a lot of
time in the meeting room and then they spend time outside.
Just in terms of body maintenance, how Russ takes care
of his body, the things he's done to have a long,
long career at least, kind of grab hold of that.
Ask a lot of questions. Is very involved. I'm talking
(29:45):
about Malik and the meetings communicated.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I think the biggest obstacle for the Giants is that
schedule in the first six weeks. I've never seen. It
is easily the toughest schedule in the league in the
first six to seven weeks. It's brutal. Yeah, So even
if they played well and executed, they could go own six.
It's tough.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
So I know you're a big fantasy football guy. Neighbors
was a beast last year, and I know nobody watches
the Giants because they're garbage. But I'm just telling you,
if Neighbors can beat to like Pickens was for Russ
last year. They could start fairly well. Those two will
have a connection, and the run game was kind of
good with the young kid, I believe from Purdue Tracy
(30:30):
it was solid. They just don't have enough good players.
And I think Brian Dable is a dead man walking.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
This is me. Yeah, tough schedule. It's they're not without talent,
left tackle, receiver, offensive coach. I think they upgraded their
old line, pass rushers Dexter Lawrence. They've got players. They're
not without talent. Don't have a quote in that well.
And also Philadelphia's got the best roster in the league
and they play them twice in division, so I mean
(30:56):
a lot of it is in Washington's a totally different franchise.
So the Giants are not without talent that they They've
got some. If they get a great quarterback in a draft,
then it's I don't think they're that far off. There
are a couple of teams. The Giants are one of them.
To me, if they got a great quarterback, you'd look
up and go, it's a viable team. I really do.
(31:17):
I believe that. I don't think they're that far away.
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
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Speaker 1 (32:06):
So we've been talking because we're talking so much. Caleb
Williams to start, it makes us hearken back to the
two young quarterbacks last year that crushed Jade and Daniels Washington,
Bo Nickson Denver, and I'm going to get to the
story in a second, which I think is really fascinating
about why you should spend money on coaching, and why
white coaching in college and pro you're always better off
(32:29):
to just pay the money for a really elite, proven coach.
But Bo Nicks, as we talked about yesterday, is it's
really good. And because he's in Denver and not in
the NFC East playing the Cowboys and the Giants and
the Eagles, bo Nix's season got a little bit lost.
He had the most passing yards, he had the most
(32:50):
passing touchdowns, he had the most completions. Last year in
a division that had better defenses than the ones, Jayden
Daniels faced Steve Spagnola, Kansas City Jesse Minner, and the
Chargers defense was top one or two in the league.
So he got a little overshadowed. And from Week four
until the end of the regular season, he had twenty
(33:11):
eight touchdowns, nine picks, and a passer rating over one
hundred and Sean Payton says, in this camp, he looks
even better than last year.
Speaker 9 (33:19):
If you look at it, you got like these twelve seconds,
you get to play the cadence to snap count and
then you know, can you remind the back Hey, you
might be the prime you know the little reminders. He's
way much I mean, he's light years further along. He's
doing well.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
So there's another story today that I think is really important.
Remember when the Chargers, you know, they were looking for
a coach and I said just to solve all your
problems at once. Your defense is way better than it
played again with Brandon Staley, Go spend the money on
Jim Harball, Go spend twenty million on the staff. And
they went and got Jim Harball, and instantly the culture
(34:01):
was different. And I said the same thing with you know,
like Denver, he'd either hire like they were going to
hire John Harball was getting talked about, or Jim Harball
or Sean Payton. Just there's certain things you should spend
money on. Mattresses and head coaches. With both, you'll sleep
better at night. But there's a great quote here about
(34:23):
from Seth Wickersham about drafting bow Nicks when he drafted him,
and it says, I'll get criticized for taking bow Nicks
at twelve. Peyton told Wickersham, I don't give a blank
three years from now is what I'm worried about. And
because Peyton is going to make it into the Hall
(34:44):
of Fame as a coach, he can be more authentic
and truer with his acquisitions and trades. Remember when Harball
got to the Chargers, everybody's screaming, you got to take
a receiver. Harbaugh's like Now I'm gonna take Joe Alt.
You already got a great left tackle for Shaun Slater.
Now I'm gonna take Joe Wall. I'm gonna take a
right tackle. Nobody questioned it. The locker room, the front office,
(35:09):
the ownership galvanized. You trust Jim Young, coach Ugh right
tackle over. You know, whoever the great receiver is. This
is classic. That's why you spend the money on a
Jim Harbaugh or a John Harbaugh or Andy Reid. And
(35:31):
remember when Andy Reid goes to Kansas City. I mean,
were there that many buyers on Alex Smith, you know,
like like and he just kept sticking with Alex Smith
and he believed in Alex Smith. Well, if Andy does,
I believe in him too. And that's like with Aaron Glenn.
We don't know if he's any good he's good coordinator,
we don't know. And so not only do championships validate
(35:55):
you with Peyton and Jim Harbaugh at college or probe,
but I think when it comes to player acquisition and
draft picks, when when you have the big name coach,
it's easier to galvanize a locker room. It's easier to
get the trust of the ownership, like I think, for instance,
Kevin Stefanski's excellent, but I think Jimmy Haslam I think
(36:16):
a lot of times he's breathing down his neck, and
I think Stefanski's great. So I think you're allowed to
take bigger swings when you pay for the big coach.
I think you're allowed to be truer and more authentic
to what you really need. But just Sean Peyton, who's
got a healthy ego and confidence acknowledging in this story,
(36:36):
acknowledging I'm gonna get crap for this, Sean Payton saying
I'm gonna have to endure this I got, I better
be ready for it. It tells you the truth about
the NFL is that how the media reacts has always mattered.
I've seen this before. When I used to work in Connecticut,
I would listen to WFAN, very popular New York radio station.
(36:59):
There was no question that that radio station in its
prime was absolutely listened to by baseball teams and football teams.
There was no question. I can remember one time, in particular,
the Mets. Everybody was banging on the Mets. It's like
you got to make a move. The Yankees are making
move and they went and got an outfielder. I think
(37:20):
it was Jason Was it Jason Bay? I think it was,
and he just didn't fit at the time. He didn't
fit the Mets. It wasn't gonna be the fit. But
they're like, I mean, I thought it was like, oh,
you're just influenced by this powerful, highly listened to, highly
effective radio station. And I felt it all the time
(37:43):
that the GM listened you know who. And I've been
told this before. Owners listen to sports talk radio and
they read the columns. Gms are busy, and often they don't,
but the owners and the owner's friends do. So you
get cultural buy in when you get a Sean Payton
or you get a Jim Harborough. And I think they're
just certain things. I would never go cheap on head
(38:05):
coach Mattress. You'll sleep better at night, all right. I
also think, oh, by the way, if you've missed this,
this was from a couple of days ago, and I
know in a summer in August, everybody's listening patterns are different.
On the show. I want to play this again because
I played it yesterday and he was on two days ago.
But I want to play this again. Sean Peyton, and
(38:27):
he had texted me, and I'd been upfront with this.
Sean really liked bon Nicks. He liked him a lot,
and Sean and I had talked about it. I was
surprised he took the Denver job, but I had said
before Peyton's taken bon Nicks, it is I just what
listening to Sean over dinner the twenty interviews I did
with him. I know what Sean likes and I knew
(38:49):
what bon Nicks delivered. It was a perfect fit. But
Seth Wickersham came on the show and said it beyond that,
there was a little secret sauce in why Sean Payton
like bo Necks from Oregon.
Speaker 10 (39:04):
I sat down with Sean Payton and this was in
March of twenty twenty four. Everybody knew that the Broncos
were in the market for a quarterback. He opened a
folder and there was all this data on the folder
and bow Knix was at the top of the list,
and I was like, what is this? And Sean Payton
had developed his own analytics formula to try to judge
processing speed of college quarterbacks and he started it back
(39:27):
when he scouted Patrick Mahomes in twenty seventeen, and when
he ran the twenty twenty four quarterbacks through the formula,
bo Nix was by far the most efficient, and it
wasn't even close. And Caleb Williams, by the way, was
one of the last ones of the first round of
the guys who ended up going in the first round.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I thought that was the bite of the week on
our show, that he had devised his own analytic formula.
And for the record, Jimmy Johnson, remember Jimmy Johnson is
the guy who developed his own draft chart, like what
should we get if we make a trade? You can't
just wing it, So Jimmy Johnson and teams still use
(40:08):
it today, devised his own draft chart. I look at
it often, like if I'm trading for a third rounder,
what do I got to give up? And teams kind
of just ad libbed it until Jimmy Johnson created that chart.
So and again it doesn't mean it's a perfect chart,
but the things that matter to Sean Payton, like when
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you have twelve seconds on the clock and you've got
to call an audible and move a running back over
to chip block and you've got a rookie tight end
and you've got to make sure there's a lot of
stuff you're looking for. And I think through the years
with Drew Brees, I think probably Sean has certain things
that matter a lot to him. In that final eleven
twelve seconds of the clock, the efficiency and Mahomes was
(40:55):
at the top of the chart, Drew Brees would have been,
and bo Nix was and that's why draft him, all right,
Jay mac Joe Thomas stopping by the My lead today
was there is a rising chorus of people that think
should Sanders starting Friday is low level sabotage by the
(41:17):
Cleveland Brown.
Speaker 5 (41:18):
I mean, listen, Let's remember Tom Brady doesn't become Tom
Brady if Drew Bledsoe doesn't get knocked the hell out
by Moe Lewis of the New.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
York Jets, and Brady goes in and the rest is history.
Speaker 5 (41:28):
Maybe Shuder gets his chance in the preseason, crushes it,
and he secures the number one job.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
I will watch.
Speaker 6 (41:35):
I know that
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