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Thanks so much. I'm County Killian for Colin Cowherd, and
for the next couple of hours, I want to talk
sports with you. It's a Friday, and I don't know
how to say this, so I get excited. It's a
football Fraight. We had NFL teams with Joe Burrow starting
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a quota for the Symphony Bengals last night. Right, we
had NFL teams playing NFL preseason games and actually playing
some of their guys last night. We'll have some of
that tonight. So and by the end of the weekend,
every team will have had a preseason game and we
can make all of our predictions and assessments based upon
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we don't really know, right one's playing against fours and whatever,
and while either crown Shador Sanders the starter and franchise
quarterback with the Cleveland Browns, or we're gonna say he's
abom any stinks by the end of the weekend and
it may not actually matter to how he plays. That's
preseason football. That's football. Mark Dominic, who's the former gentlem
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manager of the Tampa Buccaneers. He'll join us upcoming in
fifteen minutes. This is a weird way of presenting this story,
but I do think it's the only way of presenting
this story is and I understand it's a contradictory way
of talking about it, but it's the way in which
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I do feel like we should all talk about it,
which is, I don't care about Michael Parsons. Not that
I don't care about him as a person might care
about him as a person's fairly limited. Let's just kind
of be honest. We're not friends, doesn't mean we're enemies,
but I don't actually care. It's a great football player,
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seems to be a bright enough guy, and who am
I as a head basketball coach in Division one and
also a radio show host on the Doug Gotlib show
on Fox Sports Radio. Who am I to be critical
of him having a podcast, but I don't think the
podcast is the best idea for him, mostly because at
his age, he still has what I would call it's
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not that his opinions aren't developed, but partly they're not
really developed. Also, it just doesn't have like when you're
in your mid twenties, there's a lot you don't know,
especially when you grew up. It's not like you grew
up stat nerd studying every other and every other thing.
So when he's talking about football, he knows a lot.
When he's talking about other stuff, you know, I know
very much. And all he knows is during his lifespan, right,
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which may be interesting to you. But there's so many
pitfalls in talking about your team and talking about the Cowboys,
especially when you're going through struggles. It may not be
that smart. But this is not like a personal shot
at Michael Parsons. I don't care a ton because he's
going to be a cowboy. There's this we do this thing.
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We do this dance, not just with the Cowboys, we
do this dance every year. We're like, wow, you know,
he could be a free agent at the end of
the year. Huh did we not review how the contracts
the rookie contracts are structured in the NFL, and as
a high first round pick, this is year five where
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the year five option is a big payday, again in
comparison to the rest of the contract. And though there
doesn't appear to be any contract beyond this year, the
fact is that all the Cowboys have to do is
slap on the franchise tag, which they will do if
there's no contract agreed to at the end of the year.
And he has basically one choice that's to play for
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the two choices negotiate a long term extension with the
Cowboys or play for the Cowboys as a franchise tag
e which is a big number, but it doesn't have
long term benefits for either side, and like, well, we'll
be the long term benefits for a football team be well.
It it gives them cost certainty, and it also helps
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them with the luxury tax where it's not with luxury
tax with the with the UH with the salary cap
where they can't manipulate it and do some signing bonus
and push them away, and that's the benefit. So it
is it's mutually beneficial. It's mutually uh punitive. But the
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one thing I can tell you is that if the
Cowboys choose to not negotiate at all with Michael Parsons
for the next three seasons, he's a Dallas Cowboy after
this year. You're like, what, yeah, And most football fans
sitting there going like, I know this s Gottlieb. I
tuned into here. Cowherd. Cowherd's not there. He's in Chicago
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or Rhode Island or parts unknown that he will probably
tweet about later on today. And oh, yeah, by the way,
you're telling me something I already knew. But again, you
have to reiterate it. He is under contract and he's
not a free agent at the end of the year.
At the Cowboys don't want him to be a free agent.
There's no reason for them to want him to be
a free agent. And then you factor in it's a
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Dallas Cowboy, it's Cowboys, and it's it's did you guys
ever get caught up in the law and Order? And
some people did a special victims unit. Everybo had a
law and Order. What I loved about the Law and
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Orders was that it's just kind of self contained. There's
no long ongoing storyline for the most part what I
disliked about the law and orders. At some point you
kind of know who it is, and they do come
up with new and clever ways in which to point
out the who actually done it. You know, the storylines
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are kind of the I'm based upon a true story,
but it ends up coming to be where you're like, yeah,
you figure it out about three quarters the way in
how many years have we done this? Just last year?
Dak Prescott, Ceedee Lamb, Zach Martin. I mean you can
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go to Ezekiel Elliott in that year and then you
know Zeke who this is. It's like classic Dallas Cowboys playbook.
And Jerry always gives in Kay's gonna pay a bunch
of money. Jerry thinks they had a deal done. My
guess is that they had a deal done, and then
the agent, David Willghetta, is like, wait, he did a
deal without me, eh, and so he wants, you know,
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more money is some sort of punishment. They're like, we
agreed to a term, We're good. It eventually get done.
He's not even holding out, nor is he gonna hold
out because he doesn't want to get fined and he
doesn't want to lose this payday or this year. He's
not sitting as not threatening to sit out. He simply's like,
I want to be traded. Sure? Now, could the Cowboys
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trade him? Yeah? I mean you could sit there and go, hey,
we're not particularly good with or without him, so why
not trade him for a couple of two first round
picks and then be done with it and move on.
They could do that. I just don't think they will.
Drafted Mike com Parsons. They like Mike Caparsons. He works there,
he's been you know, last year was a different defensive
system than previously and it took some adjustment and they're
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not great. But he's gonna be a Cowboy. And the
only reason he wouldn't be a Cowboys if the Cowboys
decided he don't need to be a Cowboy anymore, and
they're clearly not at that point. Otherwise they wouldn't have
negotiated a deal. So I have talked for seven minutes
and three seconds on a topic that you do feel
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compelled to circle back to Dallas Cowboys, Micah Parson's star
player and the hold in and the story I'm going
to tell you or my perception of it is he's
going to be a cowboy, He's going to sign a
long term extension. And I feel like we keep getting
roped into the same storyline year after year, time after time.
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It's tiresome, made even worse by the fact that we
get this fake Oh, he could be he's a free
agent at the end of the year. When he's not
a free agent means you free means you contracts up,
go ever you up, and he will not be a
free agent. You can go restricted free agent right or
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he's under club control until otherwise it's not a free
agent that deal. And and just so you know, I
don't know why people know this. Media deals are much
the same most media deals. When you sign on with
a media company, even though your contract is up, they
do have right a first refusal. They can match anything,
and they can keep you under contract at that at
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that price if you go somewhere else, really unless they
release you and allow you out of it. And a
lot of people, a lot a lot of people I
know in the business world have that, you know, non
compete clauses or whatever. But for football, this is not
like the NBA, where your contract is up and you're done.
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There's no it's not a player option. It's not a
team option. I guess you could call it a team
option and a team option at franchise tag. But then
you can still negotiate a long term deal during any
one of those years. But don't get it twisted. You
have a tremendous player who's still not in his prime,
who's under contract this year and realistically under contract for
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the next three years after this year. If the Cowboys
don't want to negotiate at all, he's not holding out,
he's in. He's doing the I got a back injury
so he doesn't get fined. They came to some sort
of agreement that then the agent lost his mind because
he wasn't involved in the negotiation rightfully so and by
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the end of I don't know, next two weeks, Michael
Parsons to be playing for the Cowboys. It's not a
nothing burger. But I've seen this movie. I know how
it ends. I seen this movie. I know how it ends.
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Here's Jerry Jones this week on the Parsons negotiations bomb.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Thank the world of mic. Like I've said, I've had
a lot of I've had social time with Michael, which
isn't always the case, but I have. He's one of
the brightest people I've ever been around, and he's very.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Very talented.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Now, how we ultimately mail him in with our future
is a challenge and I'm built for it and he's
built for it. We have continual contract negotiations going on.
I know you have Mike at front of mine, but
we're continually working on contracts when all clubs are, and
so I don't necessarily put a big read letter beside
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any time that we've completed contract negotiations, but I'm appreciative
when we do so. But it's really business as usually.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
So if it's business as usual, what are we actually doing?
Wis and done? Coming up next in the Herd, I'm
Doug Gottlie Pavilion for Colin. Is the Parsons deal inevitable?
And I don't know if you guys saw it. And
Richardson just located a pinky last night didn't play particularly
well well. Ask Mark Dominic is into time for the
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Colts to kind of cut bait. That's next in the Hurd.
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Speaker 3 (12:52):
Out even for Colin this the Herd Fox sports Radio,
iHeartRadio app. Mmm. I will tell you a little bit
later on this hour why the Big Twelve got it
absolutely right without having it because they didn't have a
preseason poll, you know. And look, I fully understand that
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all of us want to know who's this year's Arizona
State right pick fourteenth end up winning the league last year.
But part of that is why I know the Big
Twelve got it right. We'll discuss that here before the
hour is up. In the meantime, let's welcome in a
good friend, a guy who you can hear weekly on
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my program on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Mark Dominic joins us. He's the former gentlem manager of
the tamp Bay Buccaneers. Really, his entire professional life has
been in professional football scouting, moving his way up to
being general manager. Mark, you and I have discussed this
a lot, and we can get into the machinations of it,
the agent and what went wrong in the handshake deal.
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But my first thought anytime somebody asking me about Micah
Parsons is I've seen this movie. I know how it ends.
He's under contract, not just this year, but they could
franchise in the next three years. He wants to be there.
Forget about asking to be traded. He he wouldn't be
doing the whole end thing if he didn't want If
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he didn't want to be there. So I feel like
we're extending a lot, spending a lot of energy on
something which ultimately is going to get worked out. Is
that a logical way of looking at it?
Speaker 7 (14:33):
Yeah, Doug, I think you're right, and thanks for having
me on It's it's certainly one of those ones where
you look at the contract and the way it's going
to come together over forty million dollars. It's posturing right
now from you know, both sides, But the Cowboys desperately
need Micah Parsons. I don't think the trade's happening either.
I think that they just I think there's just some
frustration that's boiled into it. But Jerry Jones desperately wants
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to get onto the stage and hold the Lombardi Trophy
one more time lifetime. And if you move Michaeh Parsons
away from the football team, I think you're delaying that
for at least another year or maybe longer. It's the Cowboys,
Sorry Cowboy fans, but you know, I think it's too critical,
and this is too critical of the year, and I
think they feel like they can compete against the Eagles
and the Commanders, and because of that, I think this
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deal does get done. It's just it might take another
week or two.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Are the Cowboys any good? See?
Speaker 7 (15:25):
I think they are. I actually think that they're good.
They just you know, what happened last night was Slater like,
they can't afford those kind of things to hit them.
But I think their offensive line is a little bit
better than I think people realize and I think that
they're going to be a good running football team. But
they've got the combination of just about everything on the
offensive side and defensively. You know, hopefully, you know, Trayvon
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Biggs can get himself back on the football field. They
missed him dearly last year and we'll see what he
can look like once he's back. But I think the
Cowboys are better. You know, over shown as a guy
that should be back this year, and they missed him
as well. So I think they're hidden pieces here on
that that Cowboys team that put them as a competitive team,
and I think they are competitive. Can they overtake the Eagles?
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Maybe not? But can they find magic?
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (16:10):
They can.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
They can.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
They can find a game and go beat just about
any of the NFL when they're playing.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Right, you mentioned Slater, Rashaun Slater. He gets he signs
a big contract with the LA Chargers and then he
tears as ptel attendant. They do have Joe Alt right,
they were supposed to be bookends. This is going to
be the Chargers And how how much does that hurt
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the Chargers offensively this year?
Speaker 7 (16:37):
It's just devastating, right, I mean, you knew what coach
Harbor wanted to do. That's why they took Hampton in
the first round to run the ball, and they signed
Nijia Harris, and they want to run the ball and
to lose a guy like Slater just as good as
he is as a pass protector, he's still a very
talented run player too, And it's just it's a blow,
you It just it's crushing in the office there today,
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you know, as you can imagine the NHR fan feels it. Yes,
they have experienced guys behind him, Sure, Trey Pipkins because
has played and been there before, Jamari Salier has played
there and been on the starting line before. But the
reality is it's a big blow and it's something that
they're going to have to deal with all season long.
There's nothing you can do about it. But when you
lose your premiere left tackle in the NFL, that hurts
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and has ripple effects. It takes me to the point
where I thought that they could take over this division
this year and win it from the Kanca Chiefs for
the first time in forever, that they'd win the West,
to saying I don't feel that way anymore. I think
it's that significant of an injury where I think they're
still going to be really good and they're still going
to be competitive, but I just think when you lose
a premier player at any position, that's going to cost
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you a game or two. And that's all the difference
is between them and Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Mark Dominic joining us here, former job manager of the
tamp Bay Buccaneers. I'm Doug Gottliebin for Collins the Herd,
Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app. It's funny you bring that
up because we'd had this conversation I think on my
show this week last week, I don't of the week's
run together here in the summer, and you were the
first person I thought. I was like, I ask everybody,
like is this the year? And Colin came out I
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think it was yesterday or the day before where he's like,
this is the year Chiefs Dynasty and I was like,
that sounds great. But then the Chargers lose their star
left tackle, like the Raiders better, but they did some
smart things, but yeah, I don't see them being you know,
it's like you kind of starting to go through it.
You're like, all right, the Broncos didn't play anybody last year.
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Let's see it's gonna be gonna be fasting Anthony Richardson.
So he gets hurt last night, but he got hurt
because he misread a blitz and didn't see the hot
routes on his right side. Instead just doesn't see the field.
At what point did the Colts just chalk it up
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to an l and say, let's let's move on.
Speaker 7 (18:53):
It's hard, right, Chris Ballard has been the GM there
for many years, and I think the Colts have had
a new starter every years since he's been the general manager.
That's a really really hard position to be in. And
with Richardson, you know, it's easy to you know, have
the hindsight. But we all talked about it when the
draft is coming around. Here's a guy that's you know,
played a little bit at Florida's had inconsistencies while he's there,
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He's had injury history that continues to mount. Uh, you know,
it's and then they want to do everything again. They
were I think they were desperately hopeful to say, let's
get Richardson on the field week one, be the starter,
and if he fails, we'll go to Daniel. Well, you know,
now the ball's in Daniel's hands and we get to
see what he can do with it, because you know,
when you lose your pinky finger, there's a lot of
touch on that, you know. I remember talking to Hasselbecks
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the Brothers and talking about which finger is one of
the ones if you had to lose one of your fingers,
which one would it be. You know that pinky has
a lot of last touch of the ball. For a
lot of these quarterbacks, you can try to hold it
off the ball, but if you're already inaccurate and you
don't have all five fingers working, guess what, it's getting worse.
And so I just think that this is this is
the blow for Richardson. They I think they want to
still to give him a shot, but the reality is
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Daniel Jones gonna out there and that's not good news
for the Alex Pierces of the world. And he likes
to throw more balls underneath and to the tight ends
into the backs, and so it's going to have a
ripple effects I think for this Cults team too, And
it's disappointing to see it happen, But to be surprised,
I think would be wrong.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah. I saw him play last year against the Packers,
and you know, Malik Wills was starting for the Packers
and he was the far better quarterback than answer record.
She just wasn't wasn't close. It wasn't. There was like
one or two throws You're like, well, it's could throw,
and then the rest of them were just nothing was
nothing was right, and he didn't. He just didn't look
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comfortable at all. Mark Domini's our guest here. I'm Doug
Gottliebn for Collins to Hurt on Fox Sports Radio and
the iHeartRadio app. Terry McLaurin. This sounds a little different,
right because it's not his it's not his second contract
coming out of his rookie contract with the Commanders, different
ownership group. On the other hand, like Jamie Daniels kind
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of took the league by storm last year and Cliff
Kingsbury had a really nice transition back to the to
being an offensive coordinator. It would seem like your most
vaunted and veteran wide receiver would be a guy you
want to hold on to. On the other hand, if
he's asking for crazy money, he's starting to get up
there in age, there's a limit there. How does that
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contract hold out end?
Speaker 7 (21:25):
Yeah, this is tough, right, He's twenty nine years old,
he's you know, got his contract right now, he's in
entering his last year of the contract, which is, you
know why you want to try to renegotiate. You see
what happens around the NFL as space. Houri's around fifteen
million dollars, which is, you know, significantly lower than where
the market is at wide receiver right now. I think
there's two different ways you could tack on two years
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and try to move this thing more into the mid twenties,
which is where I think Terry wants to be. You know, Godwin,
I think signed for twenty million dollars a year. I
think it's you know, you're trying to get north of that.
I think on an extension, or you incentivize this pretty strongly.
You put out some you know, potential earnings of catches
or touchdowns or something that's not likely to be earned,
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where he could still earn it, and you know, certainly
get his salary higher, and then you know, sell him
the fact that you're a unrestricted free agent next year,
like you can go anywhere you want. I think those
are the things you're trying to sell. I think the
two year extensions the way I look at it, because
he's such a great kid, like he's an unbelievable teammate
and a worker that you want him around the programs. It's,
you know, it's the Saquon Barkley mentality. You don't want
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to see him somewhere else having success because you know
how much you love him as a person. So I
think it's a two year extension. I think you try
to do, you know something about kind of what they
did the last time. It was three years, seventy million dollars.
I think it's in that rain, but you got to
probably put him to twenty two to twenty five million
per year, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
I I saw this deal earlier this week with Karen
Williams signing a three year It's it's really a twenty
three million dollar deal, And I thought of a discussion
we've had the last couple of years, which is I
get that Saquan was great and Philadelphia tore up his
deal and gave him more years. I get that Derrick
Henry has had a good year last year with Baltimore,
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and obviously Josh Jacobs. I don't know if the Raiders
would have let him walk if they knew he was
going to be that good, that effective and be able
to play that many steps. That said, like, what has
really changed on the running back market? Right? It's still
a two year deal, which is kind of They were
fighting for three year guaranteed contracts. They were fighting for
more money, and this really is writing with like seventh
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highest paid running back. It doesn't feel like there's that
much change and that the Saquon thing is an outlier thing.
Do you see a change in the running back market?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (23:45):
I think this is a mistake. I think it's an
agent who was wanting to get a guy signed, probably
getting pressure from the kid, the young man. He's a
really talented running back, and I think if he plays
this thing out, it's easy to sit there and say
this on the phone or you know, like ah, yeah,
just played out. You know thirty what's twenty something million dollars? Okay,
wait to say what if something goes wrong. But at
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the same point, this deal, this deal to me by
Drew Rosenhouse set the market back again for running backs.
It's a bad deal and it's a deal that looks
like it's the Rams said hey, look we'll do something,
but it's going to be what we want, not what
you need or what you should get, what your value
really should be. And so I think it's a I
don't I never blame a kid. I understand like that,
you know, this real money to their you know, it
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can really impact them, especially if they use it correctly
and invest it and think long term with some of
the stuff. But in terms of the running back market,
I think this hurt. It hurt James Cook, it hurt
you know, just about everybody because it's it's yeah, it's
a two year deal, but he was gonna already going
to be there this year or a Seeriars guaranteed, but
that that doesn't really matter, Like you're already going to
have him there this year, and you were going to
have him there next year, you know, so where the
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goal was to be there. So it's to me it's
just one of those deals where it hurt the market.
But I don't know who pushed it further. I don't
know if the agent was like, I want to get
this guy sighed because I want to get paid, or
if it was the player going I got to get
paid because I'm scared I'm gonna have something go wrong.
Either way, it wasn't good for running backs, even though
the players are really talented player.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Mark Dominic's our guest here in the Herd on Fox
Sports Radio. There have been some that have said that
Shador Sanders is being set up to fail because he's
had limited reps with the Ones and he's going to
get to start for the Browns. Now should be pointed
out that most of the starters. I don't think any of
the starters are actually playing, so it's the twos and threes.
But because of injury, he's been elevated. He's going to
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get an opportunity. You sat in that seat as a
general manager in the NFL with young quarterbacks that have
been drafted. Do you believe he's being set up to fail?
Speaker 7 (25:41):
No one such a guy have to fail. I mean
there's internally as an organization, the last thing you're ever
going to do is like, I can't wait to get
this guy out there so he falls on his face.
It's like no one thinks that way, especially with the
draft pick, and I know it's shaduor Sanders, and people
are like, oh this is you know, look, they already
drafted a quarterback and they traded up to make sure
they got the next quarterback. They want him to be
successful desperately. The problem is what you said that there's
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been a lot of injuries and he's found a way
to get healthier faster than all the other guys. And
you know, there's a great opportunity. You know it doesn't
you know, there's no way anyone in Cleveland and that
organization is like, let's put Shador out there so he
looks terrible and he fails. No one's thinking that in
that organization. So it's it's silly to write it that
way or even to consider it. I think that they
know how they play him, how they use them. We'll
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see to be determined, you know itself. It's a line
that's in front of him. That's the most concerning thing.
But it's still going to be an opportunity that Shaduur
has to say, Hey, look, I can play at this
level and I can play with I can rise the
level of guys that might not be first stringers, and
we can go out there and be productive. It'll be
great to watch. But he is not getting set up
to fail. He's getting set up there go have an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Caleb Williams seems to have struggled some in the new offense.
JJ McCarthy is, you know, he's second year, but really
just a rookie struggle a little bit in Minnesota. How
long before you know, like let's just go with JJ? Like,
how long before you know you're like, it's just not
going to work.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
Yeah, it's a great story I can share with you
real quick. Doug is that I was fortunate back in
the day when I first came in the league with
the Kansas City Chiefs, and then I went down to
Tampa for once in nineteen ninety five. Trent Dilferm was
our quarterback, so he'd already played the ninety four season.
He was in the second season. He just finished the
second season, was going in the ninety six and I
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met the NFL combine and back then you had to
sometimes take a bus to certain things. Well, the young
Mark Dollinic back then, at twenty four years old, happened
to get to sit next to Bill Walsh, which was
just goosebumps. Right, You're like, that's Bill Walston. I'm sitting
next to him on a So I was like, I
have this book, I'm just gonna ask him a question.
So I asked him the exact question, Doug, how long
until you know? He said, he takes a season and
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a half and after our season and a half, if
he can't do it, he's not doing it. That's what
Bill Walsh saw. And you know, I thought there was
a thing about Trent Dilfer. Can he really do it?
And you happy for Trent and that he went to
Baltimore and found a way to win a Super Bowl,
But he Bill Walts says, you got to season and
a half and if you can't do it by that point,
it's just not going to happen. I still believe that,
and I think if you look around the league, it
holds pretty true that most guys get it figured out
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or they don't.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I love that first, you basically sat next to God
himself in terms of offensive football. Right may maybe he's
that guy, but he's got a direct line because that dude,
you know, that's awesome, which which brings me actually that
it's great because it links up the arch Manning story
from yesterday, right where Archie Manning came out and say, hey,
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look my grandson's going to be at Texas not just
this year but next year. And you know, I know,
people want to make it about the NIL that kids
are receiving, and I do think there's a lot of
smarter decisions where guys stay in school longer. There's some
good to the NIL thing. There's some downside to it
as well, which we can get to at a different time.
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But I don't think it has anything to do with that.
I think it has to do with His uncles are
both Hall of Famers and they both stayed because you
need a volume of reps. And if you look at
Michael Pennix, if you look at I mean, the kid
in Denver is the perfect example. He wasn't very good
at Auburn, but but he got so many reps and
got to Oregon and he was the best quarterback on
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earth at Oregon. This feels like Archie Manning saying, like
we've done this before, we know how it works. It's
way more important you get a volume of live reps
than it is because you only get that year and
a half when you get to the NFL. Right.
Speaker 7 (29:30):
Yeah, No, I think they're absolutely spot on. And you know,
I think whether Nile was there or not, I think
it'd be able to be a two year starter in college.
Is tremendously important, and you know, because the transition for
the next level is astronomical, and so I think that
it's spot on. The benefit is that Nile exists, and
it makes this decision even easier, even though I think
they would have done it the same way because they
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have seen this book and they've played it, and they've
talked to people and they understand the difficulty of this
is that family of anybody understands the difficulty of this position,
and so you know, I think it's the right move.
I think he's being absolutely spot on, and you know,
thankfully and Il is going to make it a lot
easier for him to stay for another season and hopefully
really build off of what he learns this year.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Mark, great stuff man, Thanks for joining us. Enjoy the
football this weekend, and we will talk to you next
week on the Doug Otlieb Show.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
Thanks Doug, you're the best buddy, all right.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
That's Mark Dominic, former gentlem manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
He said, that's like you sit next to I was
in I was in Israel coaching a team and David Blatt.
I see, like David Blatt up very tall like now,
and I know, David Blatt, some people don't think great
coach because it didn't work out with Lebron in Cleveland,
but in Israel as a coach Mccabi Tel Aviv's national
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team coach. Again, that's like sitting next to a godlike
figure and just listening to him talk. Last year with
my job now at green Back, get a chance to
spend two days with Dick Bennett and you're listening to
you like whatever you say, that's what I should do
because you've done it for forty years. Let's get to
Ryan Music with the news.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
No, no, this is the Herd Line news.
Speaker 8 (31:10):
Hell right, Oh Doug, great to be with you today.
Let's kick things off picking up where you and Mark
Dominic just left off.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
That's some NFL football.
Speaker 8 (31:20):
And earlier this week, video of Caleb Williams at training
camp made the rounds. Showed Williams and Bears quarterbacks participating
in a throwing drill with a net and well, Williams
pretty much missing the target each time. Here was a
reporter asking Williams about that viral video.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
All right, so there's this video.
Speaker 9 (31:43):
I think some hilarious at some natural places, I think
they blew it up and it's a competition between us
and the guys, and so how fast you can get
it out, how I can get it out? And you know,
they just so happened to blow that one up and
not any other one.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
So what are you making of?
Speaker 8 (31:59):
Bears and William overall haven't necessarily received the most positive
reports out of training camp for these Chicago Bears under
new head coach Ben Johnson, despite a lot of the
sky high expectations for the pairing.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Two different like I'll eat too of different parts. First,
in regards to the drill, again, none of us know
and I thought Caleb was saying, Hey, it's about how
quick you get rid of it too? Right, Well, you're
you're not jacking around, but it's not like you're back
there trying to be precise and getting your drops and
then throwing it. Is it troubling Maybe a little bit,
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but again there's no context provided to it. Was he
missing everything all day?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Right now?
Speaker 3 (32:42):
What am I? So? So if you come to my
gym and you watch a one specific drill, you may
think my best player like, well, you're not very good
at that, and that that should be a basic skill
for a quarterback. But again, you don't know, like, am
I doing number may threes? Or am I doing how
many kids? Just get him up, Just get him up,
just catch it. Don't even look, just rip, get him
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up as quickly as you can. See how accurate you
are there.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
Totally so on those two points, real quick to provide
the larger context. So part of what he's pointed out
is that that was just one drill at one time.
Apparently the reports are from other people who are at
the training camp, is that there were other times where
he went like three for three and hit the target
perfectly every time. And he also went on to expand
and say that that drill specifically with getting it out
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quick is because you're supposed to be practicing as if
you're running a screenplay. So it's just about snap, get
the ball to the playmaker and go.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
So there you go.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Anyway, Now, what do I think of the Bears? Yeah,
I mean I've heard the same stuff, but nothing means anything.
Do we see him play on Sundays? All right, don't care.
We'll wrap up with this, just don't care.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Not.
Speaker 8 (33:50):
In ratings are out a bit of a surprise. Patrick
Mahomes came in fourth among quarterbacks behind Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,
and Joe Burrow. Mahomes, who's said he's a fan and
plays the legendary video game, was asked about the rankings.
Speaker 10 (34:05):
I would like to be rated higher, but I got
to play and showcase that stuff on the football field.
And so if I believe I go out there and
play the football that I want to play, that we
can get to ninety nine and pretty quickly.
Speaker 8 (34:17):
Feels like we've got a bit of Mahomes fatigue happening, right,
Like we all know.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Here's what I like. Here's that Like anybody who actually
takes those ratings to mean something, just go like, okay,
we clear the deck. You can draft anybody in the NFL?
Is anyone taking a quarterback? Adam Petmows?
Speaker 8 (34:37):
I don't see how you do. And I love Josh Allen,
and I love Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson's incredible, But
I don't see how if you're just given the number
one overall pick, nothing attached to it whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Just who do you want? I don't see how.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
He's been a starter for seven seasons?
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Is that right?
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Is seven? He's been somebody use that Google machine. I
think seven seasons? And he has reached the championship game.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Yeah, seven seasons as a full time starter. Correct.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yeah, he has reached.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
The AFC Championship game time every year.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
So somehow Madden ratings had become relevant to people. I
just we've reached the point to wear it and look,
I love Madden. I've been doing this job in sports
radio nationally. I remember my first year is two thousand
and three. I was with the ESPN, and I used
to play Madden because it would help me remember which
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player moved to which team, Like play every team in
play every team at least once, and like oh then
you know everybody's name was a great way. And I
was just married, no kids. You know, my wife worked afternoons.
I worked tonight, so I'd get up in the morning,
she'd be gone like midday and I just throw on whatever.
So this is not me telling you I'm not a gamer.
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I don't love Matten. But when do we take Madden
ratings or two K ratings to mean anything? I don't Sorry,
that's right. Music with the news.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
The Big twelve makes one small tweak hitting into the season.
I'll tell you why the tweak was the right one.
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Speaker 8 (36:57):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Brett, Your Mark is the commissioner of the Big Twelve.
And here's a guy that he's pretty impressive due to
former his brothers a twin brothers, is a high powered agent.
He basically ran the Brooklyn Nets previous to this, and
he's tried a lot of things, and I think there's
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one thing that some people have pushed back on that
is absolutely brilliant. And I'm not really sure if people
understand why this was your mark Back at Big Twelve
Media days, on why they decided not to release a
preseason poll.
Speaker 11 (37:38):
I think it disadvantaged Arizona State. Last year they were
picked sixteenth, and I think that hurt them.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
I think there's no value. And I also feel that with.
Speaker 11 (37:46):
The transfer portal and with roster management and what goes on,
you know, as you build that roster, no one knows
what they really have. They know what they have on paper,
but it hasn't played out, and that was the case
with Arizona State last year. So I think I don't
know if it's a trend or not, but certainly it's
the right thing for the Big twelve.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
And I'm glad we didn't.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
I the second part I could not echo more the
first part. Yeah, okay, maybe maybe maybe you're right, maybe
it held him back. I don't really know. But the
bigger part is the second part, which is nobody actually knows.
You know, I've been on my job for as a
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head coach at Green Bay for thirteen months. You know,
we knew that deck was stacked against us last year.
We also didn't know that our the nation's leading scorer,
would break his ankle ten games in. I didn't know that,
but the you know, the Robert Morris won our league,
won league tournament year before, they were next to last
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and even earlier this season. It took them a while
to kind of come together and they became a really,
really good team. But it wasn't you know, they got
laid out of the portal Dickerson who transferred to USC
and the only reason they got him was there's a
coaching change at carl to Charleston. He was going to Charleston,
then he became available, then they happened and got him,
and he just kind of fit what they did. The
point is nobody knows, you know, if you go back
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and listen to podcast, to my show, we had Michael
Lombardi on. Mike Lombardi. Of course he's been a general
manager in the NFL, he's been in front offices for years.
He's written numerous books and of course here's a broadcast
with Visen and before that the NFL network and Fox
as well, and Michael Lombardy is like, we have seventy
new guys. We don't really know what we have. You know,
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Myoma or Oklahoma State, they think they're going to be better,
but they have sixty five new players, fifteen padded practice
and then they go and play and again, granted, and
I know we do this stupid thing as broadcasters were like, wow,
why are you playing you know, Southwest, Northwestern whatever when
you're a power for school, because you don't know what
you have and even when you practice, oftentimes you don't
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know until there's live bullets. So a preseason pool, anybody
who tells you they know they're lying because nobody knows.
Ask all the coaches, how good are you? Like, I
think we're better, but I don't know what everybody else is. Right,
It's not just you don't know what you have, it's
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you don't know what everybody else has. And Indiana is
the perfect example. Do I think Indiana was great last year? No?
But did you know they spent twenty million dollars in
their roster? I didn't. And then it all just kind
of came together and their schedule was soft, and they
took advantage of things and had some great wins. Like
all those things were amazing. So when you have you know,
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most of these teams have at least half of their
roster brand new, and some of them have a strong
portion of them that came in after the spring game.
And we're doing away with some spring games, so they
never played together, they never played for you, some of
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them didn't play where they were previously. They're just talented
guys that you think can be good, and you're gonna
make predictions for a team and a conference in a
country like it doesn't work. I actually think you're Mark
nailed that, especially the second part of his remarks. Nobody
knows what they have, and anybody who tells you they
know lying because they may like what they have, but
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you don't. There's no context to it. You don't know
the level of competition. You're like, well, we spent about this.
They spent about that they should have more, but who knows.
You know, not one hundred percent hit rate just isn't
just isn't. So what the Big twelve did for me
is groundbreaking. I know it doesn't feel good. We all
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love predictions, but the fact is you're predicting about something
you have zero clue, actually about zero. I will ask
Josh Paid about it. Of course, he's a collegea ball
inside of the Josh Paid College Football Show. He joins
us next hour. I'm sure he's got predictions and things
he knows, but the reality is nobody really knows, although
you know, I think people want to see Caleb de
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boor year two, what that looks like, what's it looked
like for for Penn State. That this should be a
year where James Franklin can he actually beat a ranked team?
So we got Josh bit next hour coming up next,
the big day is finally here. Shador Sanders will make
his debut as a Cleveland Brown as the starting quarterback.
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football Fraight. We had NFL teams with Joe Burrow starting
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a quota for the Symphony Bengals last night. Right, we
had NFL teams playing NFL preseason games and actually playing
some of their guys last night. We'll have some of
that tonight. So and by the end of the weekend,
every team will have had a preseason game and we
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we don't really know, right one's playing against fours and whatever,
and while either crown Shador Sanders the starter and franchise
quarterback with the Cleveland Browns, or we're gonna say he's
abom any stinks by the end of the weekend and
it may not actually matter to how he plays. That's
preseason football. That's football. Mark Dominic, who's the former gentlem
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manager of the Tampa Buccaneers. He'll join us upcoming in
fifteen minutes. This is a weird way of presenting this story,
but I do think it's the only way of presenting
this story is and I understand it's a contradictory way
of talking about it, but it's the way in which
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I do feel like we should all talk about it,
which is, I don't care about Michael Parsons. Not that
I don't care about him as a person might care
about him as a person's fairly limited. Let's just kind
of be honest. We're not friends, doesn't mean we're enemies,
but I don't actually care. It's a great football player,
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seems to be a bright enough guy, and who am
I as a head basketball coach in Division one and
also a radio show host on the Doug Gotlib show
on Fox Sports Radio. Who am I to be critical
of him having a podcast, but I don't think the
podcast is the best idea for him, mostly because at
his age, he still has what I would call it's
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not that his opinions aren't developed, but partly they're not
really developed. Also, it just doesn't have like when you're
in your mid twenties, there's a lot you don't know,
especially when you grew up. It's not like you grew
up stat nerd studying every other and every other thing.
So when he's talking about football, he knows a lot.
When he's talking about other stuff, you know, I know
very much. And all he knows is during his lifespan, right,
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which may be interesting to you. But there's so many
pitfalls in talking about your team and talking about the Cowboys,
especially when you're going through struggles. It may not be
that smart. But this is not like a personal shot
at Michael Parsons. I don't care a ton because he's
going to be a cowboy. There's this we do this thing.
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We do this dance, not just with the Cowboys, we
do this dance every year. We're like, wow, you know,
he could be a free agent at the end of
the year. Huh did we not review how the contracts
the rookie contracts are structured in the NFL, and as
a high first round pick, this is year five where
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the year five option is a big payday, again in
comparison to the rest of the contract. And though there
doesn't appear to be any contract beyond this year, the
fact is that all the Cowboys have to do is
slap on the franchise tag, which they will do if
there's no contract agreed to at the end of the year.
And he has basically one choice that's to play for
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the two choices negotiate a long term extension with the
Cowboys or play for the Cowboys as a franchise tag
e which is a big number, but it doesn't have
long term benefits for either side, and like, well, we'll
be the long term benefits for a football team be well.
It it gives them cost certainty, and it also helps
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them with the luxury tax where it's not with luxury
tax with the with the UH with the salary cap
where they can't manipulate it and do some signing bonus
and push them away, and that's the benefit. So it
is it's mutually beneficial. It's mutually uh punitive. But the
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one thing I can tell you is that if the
Cowboys choose to not negotiate at all with Michael Parsons
for the next three seasons, he's a Dallas Cowboy after
this year. You're like, what, yeah, And most football fans
sitting there going like, I know this s Gottlieb. I
tuned into here. Cowherd. Cowherd's not there. He's in Chicago
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or Rhode Island or parts unknown that he will probably
tweet about later on today. And oh, yeah, by the way,
you're telling me something I already knew. But again, you
have to reiterate it. He is under contract and he's
not a free agent at the end of the year.
At the Cowboys don't want him to be a free agent.
There's no reason for them to want him to be
a free agent. And then you factor in it's a
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Dallas Cowboy, it's Cowboys, and it's it's did you guys
ever get caught up in the law and Order? And
some people did a special victims unit. Everybo had a
law and Order. What I loved about the Law and
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Orders was that it's just kind of self contained. There's
no long ongoing storyline for the most part what I
disliked about the law and orders. At some point you
kind of know who it is, and they do come
up with new and clever ways in which to point
out the who actually done it. You know, the storylines
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are kind of the I'm based upon a true story,
but it ends up coming to be where you're like, yeah,
you figure it out about three quarters the way in
how many years have we done this? Just last year?
Dak Prescott, Ceedee Lamb, Zach Martin. I mean you can
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go to Ezekiel Elliott in that year and then you
know Zeke who this is. It's like classic Dallas Cowboys playbook.
And Jerry always gives in Kay's gonna pay a bunch
of money. Jerry thinks they had a deal done. My
guess is that they had a deal done, and then
the agent, David Willghetta, is like, wait, he did a
deal without me, eh, and so he wants, you know,
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more money is some sort of punishment. They're like, we
agreed to a term, We're good. It eventually get done.
He's not even holding out, nor is he gonna hold
out because he doesn't want to get fined and he
doesn't want to lose this payday or this year. He's
not sitting as not threatening to sit out. He simply's like,
I want to be traded. Sure? Now, could the Cowboys
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trade him? Yeah? I mean you could sit there and go, hey,
we're not particularly good with or without him, so why
not trade him for a couple of two first round
picks and then be done with it and move on.
They could do that. I just don't think they will.
Drafted Mike com Parsons. They like Mike Caparsons. He works there,
he's been you know, last year was a different defensive
system than previously and it took some adjustment and they're
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not great. But he's gonna be a Cowboy. And the
only reason he wouldn't be a Cowboys if the Cowboys
decided he don't need to be a Cowboy anymore, and
they're clearly not at that point. Otherwise they wouldn't have
negotiated a deal. So I have talked for seven minutes
and three seconds on a topic that you do feel
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compelled to circle back to Dallas Cowboys, Micah Parson's star
player and the hold in and the story I'm going
to tell you or my perception of it is he's
going to be a cowboy, He's going to sign a
long term extension. And I feel like we keep getting
roped into the same storyline year after year, time after time.
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It's tiresome, made even worse by the fact that we
get this fake Oh, he could be he's a free
agent at the end of the year. When he's not
a free agent means you free means you contracts up,
go ever you up, and he will not be a
free agent. You can go restricted free agent right or
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he's under club control until otherwise it's not a free
agent that deal. And and just so you know, I
don't know why people know this. Media deals are much
the same most media deals. When you sign on with
a media company, even though your contract is up, they
do have right a first refusal. They can match anything,
and they can keep you under contract at that at
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that price if you go somewhere else, really unless they
release you and allow you out of it. And a
lot of people, a lot a lot of people I
know in the business world have that, you know, non
compete clauses or whatever. But for football, this is not
like the NBA, where your contract is up and you're done.
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There's no it's not a player option. It's not a
team option. I guess you could call it a team
option and a team option at franchise tag. But then
you can still negotiate a long term deal during any
one of those years. But don't get it twisted. You
have a tremendous player who's still not in his prime,
who's under contract this year and realistically under contract for
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the next three years after this year. If the Cowboys
don't want to negotiate at all, he's not holding out,
he's in. He's doing the I got a back injury
so he doesn't get fined. They came to some sort
of agreement that then the agent lost his mind because
he wasn't involved in the negotiation rightfully so and by
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the end of I don't know, next two weeks, Michael
Parsons to be playing for the Cowboys. It's not a
nothing burger. But I've seen this movie. I know how
it ends. I seen this movie. I know how it ends.
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Here's Jerry Jones this week on the Parsons negotiations bomb.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Thank the world of mic. Like I've said, I've had
a lot of I've had social time with Michael, which
isn't always the case, but I have. He's one of
the brightest people I've ever been around, and he's very.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Very talented.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Now, how we ultimately mail him in with our future
is a challenge and I'm built for it and he's
built for it. We have continual contract negotiations going on.
I know you have Mike at front of mine, but
we're continually working on contracts when all clubs are, and
so I don't necessarily put a big read letter beside
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any time that we've completed contract negotiations, but I'm appreciative
when we do so. But it's really business as usually.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
So if it's business as usual, what are we actually doing?
Wis and done? Coming up next in the Herd, I'm
Doug Gottlie Pavilion for Colin. Is the Parsons deal inevitable?
And I don't know if you guys saw it. And
Richardson just located a pinky last night didn't play particularly
well well. Ask Mark Dominic is into time for the
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Colts to kind of cut bait. That's next in the Hurd.
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Speaker 3 (12:52):
Out even for Colin this the Herd Fox sports Radio,
iHeartRadio app. Mmm. I will tell you a little bit
later on this hour why the Big Twelve got it
absolutely right without having it because they didn't have a
preseason poll, you know. And look, I fully understand that
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all of us want to know who's this year's Arizona
State right pick fourteenth end up winning the league last year.
But part of that is why I know the Big
Twelve got it right. We'll discuss that here before the
hour is up. In the meantime, let's welcome in a
good friend, a guy who you can hear weekly on
(13:39):
my program on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Mark Dominic joins us. He's the former gentlem manager of
the tamp Bay Buccaneers. Really, his entire professional life has
been in professional football scouting, moving his way up to
being general manager. Mark, you and I have discussed this
a lot, and we can get into the machinations of it,
the agent and what went wrong in the handshake deal.
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But my first thought anytime somebody asking me about Micah
Parsons is I've seen this movie. I know how it ends.
He's under contract, not just this year, but they could
franchise in the next three years. He wants to be there.
Forget about asking to be traded. He he wouldn't be
doing the whole end thing if he didn't want If
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he didn't want to be there. So I feel like
we're extending a lot, spending a lot of energy on
something which ultimately is going to get worked out. Is
that a logical way of looking at it?
Speaker 7 (14:33):
Yeah, Doug, I think you're right, and thanks for having
me on It's it's certainly one of those ones where
you look at the contract and the way it's going
to come together over forty million dollars. It's posturing right
now from you know, both sides, But the Cowboys desperately
need Micah Parsons. I don't think the trade's happening either.
I think that they just I think there's just some
frustration that's boiled into it. But Jerry Jones desperately wants
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to get onto the stage and hold the Lombardi Trophy
one more time lifetime. And if you move Michaeh Parsons
away from the football team, I think you're delaying that
for at least another year or maybe longer. It's the Cowboys,
Sorry Cowboy fans, but you know, I think it's too critical,
and this is too critical of the year, and I
think they feel like they can compete against the Eagles
and the Commanders, and because of that, I think this
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deal does get done. It's just it might take another
week or two.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Are the Cowboys any good? See?
Speaker 7 (15:25):
I think they are. I actually think that they're good.
They just you know, what happened last night was Slater like,
they can't afford those kind of things to hit them.
But I think their offensive line is a little bit
better than I think people realize and I think that
they're going to be a good running football team. But
they've got the combination of just about everything on the
offensive side and defensively. You know, hopefully, you know, Trayvon
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Biggs can get himself back on the football field. They
missed him dearly last year and we'll see what he
can look like once he's back. But I think the
Cowboys are better. You know, over shown as a guy
that should be back this year, and they missed him
as well. So I think they're hidden pieces here on
that that Cowboys team that put them as a competitive team,
and I think they are competitive. Can they overtake the Eagles?
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Maybe not? But can they find magic?
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (16:10):
They can.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
They can.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
They can find a game and go beat just about
any of the NFL when they're playing.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Right, you mentioned Slater, Rashaun Slater. He gets he signs
a big contract with the LA Chargers and then he
tears as ptel attendant. They do have Joe Alt right,
they were supposed to be bookends. This is going to
be the Chargers And how how much does that hurt
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the Chargers offensively this year?
Speaker 7 (16:37):
It's just devastating, right, I mean, you knew what coach
Harbor wanted to do. That's why they took Hampton in
the first round to run the ball, and they signed
Nijia Harris, and they want to run the ball and
to lose a guy like Slater just as good as
he is as a pass protector, he's still a very
talented run player too, And it's just it's a blow,
you It just it's crushing in the office there today,
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you know, as you can imagine the NHR fan feels it. Yes,
they have experienced guys behind him, Sure, Trey Pipkins because
has played and been there before, Jamari Salier has played
there and been on the starting line before. But the
reality is it's a big blow and it's something that
they're going to have to deal with all season long.
There's nothing you can do about it. But when you
lose your premiere left tackle in the NFL, that hurts
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and has ripple effects. It takes me to the point
where I thought that they could take over this division
this year and win it from the Kanca Chiefs for
the first time in forever, that they'd win the West,
to saying I don't feel that way anymore. I think
it's that significant of an injury where I think they're
still going to be really good and they're still going
to be competitive, but I just think when you lose
a premier player at any position, that's going to cost
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you a game or two. And that's all the difference
is between them and Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Mark Dominic joining us here, former job manager of the
tamp Bay Buccaneers. I'm Doug Gottliebin for Collins the Herd,
Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app. It's funny you bring that
up because we'd had this conversation I think on my
show this week last week, I don't of the week's
run together here in the summer, and you were the
first person I thought. I was like, I ask everybody,
like is this the year? And Colin came out I
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think it was yesterday or the day before where he's like,
this is the year Chiefs Dynasty and I was like,
that sounds great. But then the Chargers lose their star
left tackle, like the Raiders better, but they did some
smart things, but yeah, I don't see them being you know,
it's like you kind of starting to go through it.
You're like, all right, the Broncos didn't play anybody last year.
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Let's see it's gonna be gonna be fasting Anthony Richardson.
So he gets hurt last night, but he got hurt
because he misread a blitz and didn't see the hot
routes on his right side. Instead just doesn't see the field.
At what point did the Colts just chalk it up
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to an l and say, let's let's move on.
Speaker 7 (18:53):
It's hard, right, Chris Ballard has been the GM there
for many years, and I think the Colts have had
a new starter every years since he's been the general manager.
That's a really really hard position to be in. And
with Richardson, you know, it's easy to you know, have
the hindsight. But we all talked about it when the
draft is coming around. Here's a guy that's you know,
played a little bit at Florida's had inconsistencies while he's there,
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He's had injury history that continues to mount. Uh, you know,
it's and then they want to do everything again. They
were I think they were desperately hopeful to say, let's
get Richardson on the field week one, be the starter,
and if he fails, we'll go to Daniel. Well, you know,
now the ball's in Daniel's hands and we get to
see what he can do with it, because you know,
when you lose your pinky finger, there's a lot of
touch on that, you know. I remember talking to Hasselbecks
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the Brothers and talking about which finger is one of
the ones if you had to lose one of your fingers,
which one would it be. You know that pinky has
a lot of last touch of the ball. For a
lot of these quarterbacks, you can try to hold it
off the ball, but if you're already inaccurate and you
don't have all five fingers working, guess what, it's getting worse.
And so I just think that this is this is
the blow for Richardson. They I think they want to
still to give him a shot, but the reality is
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Daniel Jones gonna out there and that's not good news
for the Alex Pierces of the world. And he likes
to throw more balls underneath and to the tight ends
into the backs, and so it's going to have a
ripple effects I think for this Cults team too, And
it's disappointing to see it happen, But to be surprised,
I think would be wrong.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah. I saw him play last year against the Packers,
and you know, Malik Wills was starting for the Packers
and he was the far better quarterback than answer record.
She just wasn't wasn't close. It wasn't. There was like
one or two throws You're like, well, it's could throw,
and then the rest of them were just nothing was
nothing was right, and he didn't. He just didn't look
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comfortable at all. Mark Domini's our guest here. I'm Doug
Gottliebn for Collins to Hurt on Fox Sports Radio and
the iHeartRadio app. Terry McLaurin. This sounds a little different,
right because it's not his it's not his second contract
coming out of his rookie contract with the Commanders, different
ownership group. On the other hand, like Jamie Daniels kind
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of took the league by storm last year and Cliff
Kingsbury had a really nice transition back to the to
being an offensive coordinator. It would seem like your most
vaunted and veteran wide receiver would be a guy you
want to hold on to. On the other hand, if
he's asking for crazy money, he's starting to get up
there in age, there's a limit there. How does that
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contract hold out end?
Speaker 7 (21:25):
Yeah, this is tough, right, He's twenty nine years old,
he's you know, got his contract right now, he's in
entering his last year of the contract, which is, you
know why you want to try to renegotiate. You see
what happens around the NFL as space. Houri's around fifteen
million dollars, which is, you know, significantly lower than where
the market is at wide receiver right now. I think
there's two different ways you could tack on two years
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and try to move this thing more into the mid twenties,
which is where I think Terry wants to be. You know, Godwin,
I think signed for twenty million dollars a year. I
think it's you know, you're trying to get north of that.
I think on an extension, or you incentivize this pretty strongly.
You put out some you know, potential earnings of catches
or touchdowns or something that's not likely to be earned,
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where he could still earn it, and you know, certainly
get his salary higher, and then you know, sell him
the fact that you're a unrestricted free agent next year,
like you can go anywhere you want. I think those
are the things you're trying to sell. I think the
two year extensions the way I look at it, because
he's such a great kid, like he's an unbelievable teammate
and a worker that you want him around the programs. It's,
you know, it's the Saquon Barkley mentality. You don't want
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to see him somewhere else having success because you know
how much you love him as a person. So I
think it's a two year extension. I think you try
to do, you know something about kind of what they
did the last time. It was three years, seventy million dollars.
I think it's in that rain, but you got to
probably put him to twenty two to twenty five million
per year, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
I I saw this deal earlier this week with Karen
Williams signing a three year It's it's really a twenty
three million dollar deal, And I thought of a discussion
we've had the last couple of years, which is I
get that Saquan was great and Philadelphia tore up his
deal and gave him more years. I get that Derrick
Henry has had a good year last year with Baltimore,
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and obviously Josh Jacobs. I don't know if the Raiders
would have let him walk if they knew he was
going to be that good, that effective and be able
to play that many steps. That said, like, what has
really changed on the running back market? Right? It's still
a two year deal, which is kind of They were
fighting for three year guaranteed contracts. They were fighting for
more money, and this really is writing with like seventh
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highest paid running back. It doesn't feel like there's that
much change and that the Saquon thing is an outlier thing.
Do you see a change in the running back market?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (23:45):
I think this is a mistake. I think it's an
agent who was wanting to get a guy signed, probably
getting pressure from the kid, the young man. He's a
really talented running back, and I think if he plays
this thing out, it's easy to sit there and say
this on the phone or you know, like ah, yeah,
just played out. You know thirty what's twenty something million dollars? Okay,
wait to say what if something goes wrong. But at
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the same point, this deal, this deal to me by
Drew Rosenhouse set the market back again for running backs.
It's a bad deal and it's a deal that looks
like it's the Rams said hey, look we'll do something,
but it's going to be what we want, not what
you need or what you should get, what your value
really should be. And so I think it's a I
don't I never blame a kid. I understand like that,
you know, this real money to their you know, it
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can really impact them, especially if they use it correctly
and invest it and think long term with some of
the stuff. But in terms of the running back market,
I think this hurt. It hurt James Cook, it hurt
you know, just about everybody because it's it's yeah, it's
a two year deal, but he was gonna already going
to be there this year or a Seeriars guaranteed, but
that that doesn't really matter, Like you're already going to
have him there this year, and you were going to
have him there next year, you know, so where the
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goal was to be there. So it's to me it's
just one of those deals where it hurt the market.
But I don't know who pushed it further. I don't
know if the agent was like, I want to get
this guy sighed because I want to get paid, or
if it was the player going I got to get
paid because I'm scared I'm gonna have something go wrong.
Either way, it wasn't good for running backs, even though
the players are really talented player.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Mark Dominic's our guest here in the Herd on Fox
Sports Radio. There have been some that have said that
Shador Sanders is being set up to fail because he's
had limited reps with the Ones and he's going to
get to start for the Browns. Now should be pointed
out that most of the starters. I don't think any of
the starters are actually playing, so it's the twos and threes.
But because of injury, he's been elevated. He's going to
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get an opportunity. You sat in that seat as a
general manager in the NFL with young quarterbacks that have
been drafted. Do you believe he's being set up to fail?
Speaker 7 (25:41):
No one such a guy have to fail. I mean
there's internally as an organization, the last thing you're ever
going to do is like, I can't wait to get
this guy out there so he falls on his face.
It's like no one thinks that way, especially with the
draft pick, and I know it's shaduor Sanders, and people
are like, oh this is you know, look, they already
drafted a quarterback and they traded up to make sure
they got the next quarterback. They want him to be
successful desperately. The problem is what you said that there's
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been a lot of injuries and he's found a way
to get healthier faster than all the other guys. And
you know, there's a great opportunity. You know it doesn't
you know, there's no way anyone in Cleveland and that
organization is like, let's put Shador out there so he
looks terrible and he fails. No one's thinking that in
that organization. So it's it's silly to write it that
way or even to consider it. I think that they
know how they play him, how they use them. We'll
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see to be determined, you know itself. It's a line
that's in front of him. That's the most concerning thing.
But it's still going to be an opportunity that Shaduur
has to say, Hey, look, I can play at this
level and I can play with I can rise the
level of guys that might not be first stringers, and
we can go out there and be productive. It'll be
great to watch. But he is not getting set up
to fail. He's getting set up there go have an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Caleb Williams seems to have struggled some in the new offense.
JJ McCarthy is, you know, he's second year, but really
just a rookie struggle a little bit in Minnesota. How
long before you know, like let's just go with JJ? Like,
how long before you know you're like, it's just not
going to work.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
Yeah, it's a great story I can share with you
real quick. Doug is that I was fortunate back in
the day when I first came in the league with
the Kansas City Chiefs, and then I went down to
Tampa for once in nineteen ninety five. Trent Dilferm was
our quarterback, so he'd already played the ninety four season.
He was in the second season. He just finished the
second season, was going in the ninety six and I
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met the NFL combine and back then you had to
sometimes take a bus to certain things. Well, the young
Mark Dollinic back then, at twenty four years old, happened
to get to sit next to Bill Walsh, which was
just goosebumps. Right, You're like, that's Bill Walston. I'm sitting
next to him on a So I was like, I
have this book, I'm just gonna ask him a question.
So I asked him the exact question, Doug, how long
until you know? He said, he takes a season and
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a half and after our season and a half, if
he can't do it, he's not doing it. That's what
Bill Walsh saw. And you know, I thought there was
a thing about Trent Dilfer. Can he really do it?
And you happy for Trent and that he went to
Baltimore and found a way to win a Super Bowl,
But he Bill Walts says, you got to season and
a half and if you can't do it by that point,
it's just not going to happen. I still believe that,
and I think if you look around the league, it
holds pretty true that most guys get it figured out
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or they don't.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I love that first, you basically sat next to God
himself in terms of offensive football. Right may maybe he's
that guy, but he's got a direct line because that dude,
you know, that's awesome, which which brings me actually that
it's great because it links up the arch Manning story
from yesterday, right where Archie Manning came out and say, hey,
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look my grandson's going to be at Texas not just
this year but next year. And you know, I know,
people want to make it about the NIL that kids
are receiving, and I do think there's a lot of
smarter decisions where guys stay in school longer. There's some
good to the NIL thing. There's some downside to it
as well, which we can get to at a different time.
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But I don't think it has anything to do with that.
I think it has to do with His uncles are
both Hall of Famers and they both stayed because you
need a volume of reps. And if you look at
Michael Pennix, if you look at I mean, the kid
in Denver is the perfect example. He wasn't very good
at Auburn, but but he got so many reps and
got to Oregon and he was the best quarterback on
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earth at Oregon. This feels like Archie Manning saying, like
we've done this before, we know how it works. It's
way more important you get a volume of live reps
than it is because you only get that year and
a half when you get to the NFL. Right.
Speaker 7 (29:30):
Yeah, No, I think they're absolutely spot on. And you know,
I think whether Nile was there or not, I think
it'd be able to be a two year starter in college.
Is tremendously important, and you know, because the transition for
the next level is astronomical, and so I think that
it's spot on. The benefit is that Nile exists, and
it makes this decision even easier, even though I think
they would have done it the same way because they
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have seen this book and they've played it, and they've
talked to people and they understand the difficulty of this
is that family of anybody understands the difficulty of this position,
and so you know, I think it's the right move.
I think he's being absolutely spot on, and you know,
thankfully and Il is going to make it a lot
easier for him to stay for another season and hopefully
really build off of what he learns this year.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Mark, great stuff man, Thanks for joining us. Enjoy the
football this weekend, and we will talk to you next
week on the Doug Otlieb Show.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
Thanks Doug, you're the best buddy, all right.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
That's Mark Dominic, former gentlem manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
He said, that's like you sit next to I was
in I was in Israel coaching a team and David Blatt.
I see, like David Blatt up very tall like now,
and I know, David Blatt, some people don't think great
coach because it didn't work out with Lebron in Cleveland,
but in Israel as a coach Mccabi Tel Aviv's national
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team coach. Again, that's like sitting next to a godlike
figure and just listening to him talk. Last year with
my job now at green Back, get a chance to
spend two days with Dick Bennett and you're listening to
you like whatever you say, that's what I should do
because you've done it for forty years. Let's get to
Ryan Music with the news.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
No, no, this is the Herd Line news.
Speaker 8 (31:10):
Hell right, Oh Doug, great to be with you today.
Let's kick things off picking up where you and Mark
Dominic just left off.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
That's some NFL football.
Speaker 8 (31:20):
And earlier this week, video of Caleb Williams at training
camp made the rounds. Showed Williams and Bears quarterbacks participating
in a throwing drill with a net and well, Williams
pretty much missing the target each time. Here was a
reporter asking Williams about that viral video.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
All right, so there's this video.
Speaker 9 (31:43):
I think some hilarious at some natural places, I think
they blew it up and it's a competition between us
and the guys, and so how fast you can get
it out, how I can get it out? And you know,
they just so happened to blow that one up and
not any other one.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
So what are you making of?
Speaker 8 (31:59):
Bears and William overall haven't necessarily received the most positive
reports out of training camp for these Chicago Bears under
new head coach Ben Johnson, despite a lot of the
sky high expectations for the pairing.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Two different like I'll eat too of different parts. First,
in regards to the drill, again, none of us know
and I thought Caleb was saying, Hey, it's about how
quick you get rid of it too? Right, Well, you're
you're not jacking around, but it's not like you're back
there trying to be precise and getting your drops and
then throwing it. Is it troubling Maybe a little bit,
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but again there's no context provided to it. Was he
missing everything all day?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Right now?
Speaker 3 (32:42):
What am I? So? So if you come to my
gym and you watch a one specific drill, you may
think my best player like, well, you're not very good
at that, and that that should be a basic skill
for a quarterback. But again, you don't know, like, am
I doing number may threes? Or am I doing how
many kids? Just get him up, Just get him up,
just catch it. Don't even look, just rip, get him
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up as quickly as you can. See how accurate you
are there.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
Totally so on those two points, real quick to provide
the larger context. So part of what he's pointed out
is that that was just one drill at one time.
Apparently the reports are from other people who are at
the training camp, is that there were other times where
he went like three for three and hit the target
perfectly every time. And he also went on to expand
and say that that drill specifically with getting it out
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quick is because you're supposed to be practicing as if
you're running a screenplay. So it's just about snap, get
the ball to the playmaker and go.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
So there you go.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Anyway, Now, what do I think of the Bears? Yeah,
I mean I've heard the same stuff, but nothing means anything.
Do we see him play on Sundays? All right, don't care.
We'll wrap up with this, just don't care.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Not.
Speaker 8 (33:50):
In ratings are out a bit of a surprise. Patrick
Mahomes came in fourth among quarterbacks behind Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,
and Joe Burrow. Mahomes, who's said he's a fan and
plays the legendary video game, was asked about the rankings.
Speaker 10 (34:05):
I would like to be rated higher, but I got
to play and showcase that stuff on the football field.
And so if I believe I go out there and
play the football that I want to play, that we
can get to ninety nine and pretty quickly.
Speaker 8 (34:17):
Feels like we've got a bit of Mahomes fatigue happening, right,
Like we all know.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Here's what I like. Here's that Like anybody who actually
takes those ratings to mean something, just go like, okay,
we clear the deck. You can draft anybody in the NFL?
Is anyone taking a quarterback? Adam Petmows?
Speaker 8 (34:37):
I don't see how you do. And I love Josh Allen,
and I love Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson's incredible, But
I don't see how if you're just given the number
one overall pick, nothing attached to it whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Just who do you want? I don't see how.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
He's been a starter for seven seasons?
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Is that right?
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Is seven? He's been somebody use that Google machine. I
think seven seasons? And he has reached the championship game.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Yeah, seven seasons as a full time starter. Correct.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yeah, he has reached.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
The AFC Championship game time every year.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
So somehow Madden ratings had become relevant to people. I
just we've reached the point to wear it and look,
I love Madden. I've been doing this job in sports
radio nationally. I remember my first year is two thousand
and three. I was with the ESPN, and I used
to play Madden because it would help me remember which
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player moved to which team, Like play every team in
play every team at least once, and like oh then
you know everybody's name was a great way. And I
was just married, no kids. You know, my wife worked afternoons.
I worked tonight, so I'd get up in the morning,
she'd be gone like midday and I just throw on whatever.
So this is not me telling you I'm not a gamer.
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I don't love Matten. But when do we take Madden
ratings or two K ratings to mean anything? I don't Sorry,
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The Big twelve makes one small tweak hitting into the season.
I'll tell you why the tweak was the right one.
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Speaker 8 (36:57):
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Speaker 3 (37:00):
Brett, Your Mark is the commissioner of the Big Twelve.
And here's a guy that he's pretty impressive due to
former his brothers a twin brothers, is a high powered agent.
He basically ran the Brooklyn Nets previous to this, and
he's tried a lot of things, and I think there's
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one thing that some people have pushed back on that
is absolutely brilliant. And I'm not really sure if people
understand why this was your mark Back at Big Twelve
Media days, on why they decided not to release a
preseason poll.
Speaker 11 (37:38):
I think it disadvantaged Arizona State. Last year they were
picked sixteenth, and I think that hurt them.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
I think there's no value. And I also feel that with.
Speaker 11 (37:46):
The transfer portal and with roster management and what goes on,
you know, as you build that roster, no one knows
what they really have. They know what they have on paper,
but it hasn't played out, and that was the case
with Arizona State last year. So I think I don't
know if it's a trend or not, but certainly it's
the right thing for the Big twelve.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
And I'm glad we didn't.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
I the second part I could not echo more the
first part. Yeah, okay, maybe maybe maybe you're right, maybe
it held him back. I don't really know. But the
bigger part is the second part, which is nobody actually knows.
You know, I've been on my job for as a
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head coach at Green Bay for thirteen months. You know,
we knew that deck was stacked against us last year.
We also didn't know that our the nation's leading scorer,
would break his ankle ten games in. I didn't know that,
but the you know, the Robert Morris won our league,
won league tournament year before, they were next to last
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and even earlier this season. It took them a while
to kind of come together and they became a really,
really good team. But it wasn't you know, they got
laid out of the portal Dickerson who transferred to USC
and the only reason they got him was there's a
coaching change at carl to Charleston. He was going to Charleston,
then he became available, then they happened and got him,
and he just kind of fit what they did. The
point is nobody knows, you know, if you go back
(39:14):
and listen to podcast, to my show, we had Michael
Lombardi on. Mike Lombardi. Of course he's been a general
manager in the NFL, he's been in front offices for years.
He's written numerous books and of course here's a broadcast
with Visen and before that the NFL network and Fox
as well, and Michael Lombardy is like, we have seventy
new guys. We don't really know what we have. You know,
(39:35):
Myoma or Oklahoma State, they think they're going to be better,
but they have sixty five new players, fifteen padded practice
and then they go and play and again, granted, and
I know we do this stupid thing as broadcasters were like, wow,
why are you playing you know, Southwest, Northwestern whatever when
you're a power for school, because you don't know what
you have and even when you practice, oftentimes you don't
(39:58):
know until there's live bullets. So a preseason pool, anybody
who tells you they know they're lying because nobody knows.
Ask all the coaches, how good are you? Like, I
think we're better, but I don't know what everybody else is. Right,
It's not just you don't know what you have, it's
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you don't know what everybody else has. And Indiana is
the perfect example. Do I think Indiana was great last year? No?
But did you know they spent twenty million dollars in
their roster? I didn't. And then it all just kind
of came together and their schedule was soft, and they
took advantage of things and had some great wins. Like
all those things were amazing. So when you have you know,
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most of these teams have at least half of their
roster brand new, and some of them have a strong
portion of them that came in after the spring game.
And we're doing away with some spring games, so they
never played together, they never played for you, some of
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them didn't play where they were previously. They're just talented
guys that you think can be good, and you're gonna
make predictions for a team and a conference in a
country like it doesn't work. I actually think you're Mark
nailed that, especially the second part of his remarks. Nobody
knows what they have, and anybody who tells you they
know lying because they may like what they have, but
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you don't. There's no context to it. You don't know
the level of competition. You're like, well, we spent about this.
They spent about that they should have more, but who knows.
You know, not one hundred percent hit rate just isn't
just isn't. So what the Big twelve did for me
is groundbreaking. I know it doesn't feel good. We all
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love predictions, but the fact is you're predicting about something
you have zero clue, actually about zero. I will ask
Josh Paid about it. Of course, he's a collegea ball
inside of the Josh Paid College Football Show. He joins
us next hour. I'm sure he's got predictions and things
he knows, but the reality is nobody really knows, although
you know, I think people want to see Caleb de
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boor year two, what that looks like, what's it looked
like for for Penn State. That this should be a
year where James Franklin can he actually beat a ranked team?
So we got Josh bit next hour coming up next,
the big day is finally here. Shador Sanders will make
his debut as a Cleveland Brown as the starting quarterback.
(42:28):
Will he be legendary? We'll discuss next in the Hurt
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