August 12, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin looks at what NFL executives around the NFL said about Commanders quarterback Jayden Daniels being a Tier 2 QB and why where young plays land dictates their level of success.
He points out “real” NFL life is about to set in for Brock Purdy as the 49ers are dealing with injuries
Colin talks about Bill Belichick and if his brilliance will transfer to college
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It is a Tuesday. Welcome in. There is a lot
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You know we're getting into injury reports now. Jmac are
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very crucial for quarterbacks and perspective because people are going
crazy on stuff. I think we would both agree the
two best rookie quarterbacks because I remember John Elway, but
I don't remember a game by game. The two best
rookie quarterbacks I've ever seen here Andrew Luck who won
eleven games with a bad roster and didn't never write coach,
didn't never write GM, didn't never write a line, didn't
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never write anything. And then Jayden Daniels last year, who
you know, ends up at the NFC Championship. I mean,
those guys looked just unbelievable. Bo Nicks was good. Jayden Daniels,
you know there were times here like he's the third
fourth best quarterback in the league. So sometimes we lack perspective.
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And yesterday Mike Sando, who will be joining us in
a couple hours, he came out with his annual survey
of fifty NFL executives. It's called quarterback Tiers, And it
should be noted that Jade and Daniels, the rookie got
thirteen more Tsier one votes and the rest of his
division combined because Jalen Hurts got three and Deck got one.
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But it is interesting. Here's where it's different from Andrew
Lucky Daniels got some breaks. Number one, he didn't go
to Chicago. They can't get quarterback right. Number two, he
didn't get a coach on the hot seat. Number three,
he didn't get the oldest and arguably strangest ownership group
in the NFL, the mccaskey's. That stuff matters. Instead, he
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goes to Washington and his looney owner got flushed out
at the end of that last season. So he gets
a new owner, new GM, new coach, new momentum, new
culture with a very very mature number one wide receiver.
And he wasn't the number one pick. He was the
number two pick. And we always spend more time talking
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about the number one pick. So I'm not saying he
landed in Kansas City like with Andy Reid and Mahomes,
But ask yourself this, and I love Jayden Daniels, but
this is where Andrew Luck has him beat. Think about
the winningest quarterbacks in the last several years in the NFL, Mahomes, Lamar,
Josh Allen, Jaden Hurts, Jordan Love. What do they have
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in common? None of them entered the league in k
Here's who did Bryce Young, Caleb Williams, Justin Herbert, Trevor
Lawrence not so shockingly, They've had bumpier roads and more turbulence.
I mean a great example is Bo Nicks. Half the
GM's were not high on him. He gets Sean Payton
a good old line, he looks great. Caleb Williams, everybody
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kind of thought he was special, bad everything, coach coordinators
a line he looks completely lost. So don't undervalue even
for somebody as good as Jaden Daniels. Don't undervalue how
many breaks he got I mean the owner sharp, the
general manager Adam Peters, super sharp. Cliff Kingsbury may not
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be a head coach, excellent coordinator. The O line PFF
had at ranked number ten, a mature receiver at number one,
and even if he wasn't mature, he's a number one
receiver and a very workable schedule. Remember this. Jayden Daniels
only one time last year beat a playoff team, and
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that was against Philadelphia when Jalen Hurts got hurt, and
most of the game he faced Kenny Pickett. So if
you look at the quarterbacks he beat, it was Daniel
Jones twice, Kyler, Marie DeShawn Watson. In the disaster in Cleveland,
Andy Dalton, Caleb Williams, Will Levis, Jake Han, Michael Penix,
Trey Lance, and Kitty Pickett. He played Lamar Baker and
Jalen Hurts. He lost. He even lost to Russell Wilson.
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So two things can be true. I think he's just
tremendous player, but the landing spot is really crucial. And
what you think of Washington is what a mess. They
weren't a mess. They had all new people. Remember before
J Mack and I argued about this. J Max said,
how can you be good with all that change? And
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I said, when all the stuff you flushed out was
awful and all the new stuff is good, I am
for change. And I had told you I thought he
was going to look like Lamar Jackson, not quite as
nimble athletically, but much better in the pocket. And that's
what happened. But do I think Jaden Daniels, if you
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put him in Carolina would have been that? I do
not where you land really matters, So speaking of where
you land, So here's more bad news for the Niners,
specifically a wide receiver, Brandon Ayuk, who is their best
deep threat and the most talented wide receiver, is now
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reportedly going to be back in a week six. So
for the uninitiated, those not paying attention, not playing fantasy football,
let me give you an update on the fairly important
position for a quarterback, the wide receiver unit for the Niners. Debo.
Jayden Daniels has him now. Devo's gone, Brandon Ayuk can't
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plan till Week six. Juan Jennings contract dispute, not happy,
and he's hurt. Ricky pearsall year two hit, thirty one catches,
He's fine, he's not a one, he's probably a two
ish and DeMarcus Robinson not a big volume guy. He
may be suspended to start the season. So basically, if
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Christian McCaffrey, let's say, twists and ankle, the Great Rock
Party will have one of the weakest skill groups in
the NFL. And remember last year he was one in
six against playoff teams. But my take on this is, well,
this is real life in the NFL. This is not
brock Perty's first twenty one games. People were healthy, stacked roster,
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excellent defense, didn't have to win shootouts. He was very
good in his first twenty one starts, but in his
last fifteen starts it looks like this current wide receiver group.
He's six to nine, twenty touchdowns, twelve picks, and a
passer rating in the mid nineties. Why his teammates are older,
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they're brittle. They brought in Robert Sola to help the defense,
but green Law Defunger are gone, and outside of Bosa,
they don't have any real dominant players up front. So
he's got to win more shootouts and he doesn't have
as many great players. When he came into the league
his first year as rookie four all pros. Just on offense.
This offense. If Christian McCaffrey twists and ankle is not good,
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it's George Kittle and cross your fingers because Ricky Pearsol's
not a one. Juwan Jennings is not happy and hurt.
DeMarcus Robinson isn't the answer regardless of the question. Brandon
Aiyuk week six at the earliest, and Debo's gone. And
in my take is in those last fifteen stars. I
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looked up this this morning. In eight games last season
when they asked Brock Purty, bro you gotta throw at
thirty plus times, he was one seven. So but that's
the real life. It brought. Perty's career reminds me a
lot of des Bryant. Remember when Dez came into the
league thirteen and three rookie season, best O line easily
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in the league. Zeke was arguably the best running back
and des Bryant was a bit of a headache, but
was a touchdown machine. And then by year two and
three you needed Dak Prescott as the O line aged Zeke,
aged Dez was gone. The coaching was okay. Then you're
like we started all arguing on what DAK was worth.
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And that's the stage I believe we're going to be
at by mid to late October arguing about Brock. Perty.
We overvalued Dak and Brock early. Then they struggled when
deterioration age conflict. I mean San Francisco once again been
noisy in the off season, green Bay quiet. So here
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here's Kyle Shanahan noting they have an issue at wide receiver.
What do you do? This is a challenge.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I meant, there's possibilities later not are guaranteed, but you know,
and there's lots of things that tied to that. Who's available,
how much you're available for and the situation our teams
in salary cap wise and stuff, and what we can do.
But yeah, we're looking into everything. We'll always try to
do the best, but try not to just panic and
do something to survive a tough situation at the expense
of what would really hurt you later in this year
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and definitely next.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Year and by the way, over the next several years.
Brock now makes more money, so you just can't go shopping,
you know, at Walmart. You're just not getting those Walmart prices, right,
So all this stuff matters. Jaden Daniels my theme to
start the show today. Jaden Daniels had way more support
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than you think because the Washington brand was so beat up.
You're like, what a circus. No, wasn't easy schedule backup
quarterbacks not as much price sure is a number two
pick only beat one playoff team? Way beat Burrow. Yeah,
it was early. A lot of people beat Joe Burrow early. Right,
So when he played Jalen and Baker and Lamar and
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all of a sudden you got to win shootouts and
maybe a trail, and the coaching staffs are better, it's
a whole different ballgame. And brock Purty was overvalued early.
He's probably a little undervalued now by the critics, myself
being one of them. But this what he's dealing with,
the wide receiver. That's the real NFL. And for years
I've said this about quarterbacks. One of the advantages brock
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perty had at Iowa State it got him ready and
prepared him for the NFL, which is bad. Old lines
running for your life often have the second best coach
or second best roster. That's why a lot of these
Bama quarterbacks they don't do great in the NFL. They
never trail, they get great protection. The receivers are always
wide open. That's not preparing you for the NFL. North
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Carolina State, Miami of Ohio quarterback at those schools. Col
that's Iowa State. That's preparing you for the NFL. So
Nick Wright stops by in about fifty minutes, you see
Tom Brady's talking about Bill Belichick. I am so fired
up for Bill Belichick. I feel it's so much Jmack
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like Deon at Colorado. So Deon brings in a new
energy and a bunch of transfers, like it's a bad
program that didn't have success recruiting, and So Carolina brings
in a bunch of transfers, totally new energy. Thought Jordan
Hudson's story, it's got some youth that's got Belichick. But
Dion made his hay in the NFL as a player.
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Belichick made his hay in the NFL as a coach.
On Sundays and they both opened with TCU. Dion blew
them out. Belichick's an underdog. So is that TCU Carolina
is that labor day? Weekend by day? It is, Oh,
it's Monday. I know what I'm leading with on Tuesday
show a can't wait for It all Right? Coming up next? Uh,
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the Cleveland Browns released a depth chart kind of wonky
if you ask me.
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Nick right top of the hour. So I just said,
I think Dion and Belichick, you'd think they're totally different,
going to college, very similar. They bring a new energy,
both made their hay in NFL football, and they both
open with TCU Belichick's and underdog Dion beat TCU in
the opener. I just went back and looked at it
very close. He was a shootout. But my question is
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there I think I've always believed there are. I always
had Rex Ryan would have been a really good college coach.
He's kind of a good looking guy with a huge personality.
He would have been a great recruiter. I think Rex
Ryan would have been a big now now, I thought
he was a little sloppy and light on the details
as an NFL coach, but he did have a pretty
good run. Let's be honest with the Jets. He had
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a pretty good run. And I know Rex a little bit.
He's a big person. I always thought John Gruden would
be an excellent college coach. He's got just enough bs
in the recruiting trail. John could recruit Jimmy Johnson, Pete
Carroll and Jim Harball were great college coaches and pro
coaches right. But the reason is they can recruit their
personalities and their culture set their tone setters. They're not
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as much they're walk around guys more than just scheme guys.
Kyle Shanahan, Andy Reid, Sean Payton scheme guys. I don't
think they'd like recruiting. I think they're like sitting in
a room and figuring out plays. And I don't think
they'd be as successful in college. And I love Sean Payton,
Andy Reid and Shanahan. Shanahan would have no interest with boosters,
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no interest with an athletic director, and I don't think
Kyle would want to recruit much. So that's my question
with Belichick is that will his brilliance be muted? And
I like Elon Musk needs as a genius, the freedom
to be a genius. If you put Elon Musk in
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a rigid corporate setting, he would be the smartest guy
at IBM and would go crazy. Jeff Bezos at Amazon,
he didn't even make He didn't make a profit for
the first twenty twenty one years. He needed the freedom
to explore the late architect Frank Lloyd Wright. You don't
want him building DMV building, right, Like sometimes the greater
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the intellect, they're mavericks. They're risk takers because they have
so much confidence in their ability. And I think with Belichick,
my question is if he's smart enough. He's a brilliant guy,
but like how much in a seventeen hour NCAA mandated
work week. How much can you teach? And Tom Brady
was on Joel Clap's podcast and talked about that very thing.
Speaker 8 (15:27):
What they're going to get is obviously the most prepared,
the most hard working coach.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
That I'd ever been around.
Speaker 8 (15:36):
If you go to that school, you will be prepared
to play at the next level. He's going to teach
you the right fundamentals, the right techniques, He's going to
have a high expectation for you, and you're going to
develop a lot.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
That's what I know.
Speaker 8 (15:49):
He is so smart with how he approaches defensive schemes
and offensive schemes and how much can these young kids retain?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, and also just actively. I mean, there have been
NFL coaches that go to college, and there's always been
this perception that a college guy can't go to the NFL.
But Jim Harbaugh did and had great success, and Jimmy
Johnson didn't have success, and Pete Carroll didn't had success,
And it's usually because they could really recruit they have
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a I mean, Pete Carroll's Jimmy john I've been around
Jimmy a lot. They've got an energy, hardball when he
comes on my show for an interview. The last couple
of them. As a Charger guy, huge energy, and I
think the guys that are more intellects the wrong word,
but more like football academics like Andy Reid will not
do joint practices. He won't let you even look at
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any of his stuff. He doesn't want any team at
his practice. And Belichick is a brilliant, brilliant football coach.
But man, I got six kids in my life at
nineteen years old, they make weird choices. They can frustrate.
I hate you, especially as you age. Jmack with the news.
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Turn on the news. This is the herd Line news,
all right.
Speaker 9 (17:13):
Remember last week we did NFC predictions and I had
the Packers near the top. Some not great news coming
out of Green Bay here in the last hour. Obviously,
Jordan Love banged his hand on a helmet during the
Jets loss. Jordan the loss of the Jets over the weekend. Well,
the Packers just announced that Jordan Love tore a ligament
in his left thumb and had a procedure to repair it,
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calling it just a little procedure.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
He should be fine for Week one.
Speaker 9 (17:40):
But here's Brian Gudikins, the GM addressing the media after the.
Speaker 10 (17:44):
Game, Jordan is having a little procedure done on his
left thumb that he heard in the game.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
We'll put him out a little bit of a while.
Speaker 10 (17:52):
Hopefully I'm got back at practice next week. Shouldn't shouldn't
miss any regular season time when you kind of could
you know, split two guys they can helmet just got it.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah, that that doesn't worry me. Oh, really left thumb.
Tom Brady played with a gash that I think remember
Tom Brady got a gash. Was that on his throwing
hand or his offhand? It was brutal, It may have
been on his throwing hand. And Tom Brady won a
playoff game.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Tom Brady, Jordan Love, Yeah, they're in the same boat.
Just Jordan Love.
Speaker 9 (18:26):
Though, Colin I've been looking looking into the Packers since
I started hyping him last week. So McKinney the safety,
he's banged up, missing time, their top cornerback Hobbs also.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
Injured, missing a lot of practice times.
Speaker 9 (18:37):
And Jaden Reid who can't stay healthy, their gadgety receiver.
So you got four critical players there, starters missing a
lot of practice time.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
Leading into Week one. I don't want to go overboard, but.
Speaker 9 (18:50):
You need your quarterback out there developing rapport.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
With saying you're right, golden. If you were playing Philadelphia
in week one, I degree there, they're playing the cold
so they get a scheduling break and they know it.
So again, if you're playing Jayden Daniels or Jalen Hurd's,
or you're playing you know, you're playing Mahomes, or you're
playing on you know, Thursday night, you know they're who
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are who they? Who's the Green Bay opener? I see
here they're playing Saturday. They're playing to call who do
they open in the season with?
Speaker 6 (19:20):
I think it's the Bears?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Is it? Okay? Where's the game at? I the Bears
with new coordinators who have looked shaking.
Speaker 9 (19:30):
Okay, So Colin, now we're get into to Jordan Love
hurt again.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
When you kept saying Joe Burrow.
Speaker 9 (19:36):
Was fragile and I called him glass Joe. He had
numerous injuries. I mean, Jordan Love, now this is two
years in a row.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
He's hurt. What's the time, Just time out, time out?
Joe Burrow had a cl M c L. Joe Burrow
had serious, serious injuries. Banging your off hand on a
helmet Matt Stafford does that every third week with the
Rams like that. That's not that is not a serious injury.
That's what he's open with Lions.
Speaker 9 (20:00):
I'm sorry, not the Bears, the Green cashes here on
the screen, open with the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
So not a layup at all.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Well, it's not a layup, but the new Lions with
new coordinators will be very interesting to watch. I think
they could develop over the course of the year. But
we saw him in the Hall of Fame game and
they were awful with all new coordinators, all new system.
So I think that's fine. It's it's I just think
offhand the way I mean our medical profession now, people
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are in and out these hour surgeries, these minor procedures,
and he's a young athlete in his prime. He'll heal quickly.
He'll be fine, totally get that.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
I just he's going to be out this week.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
So no practice, right, Bob.
Speaker 9 (20:43):
Seasons three weeks away come. I don't know, I'm not overreacting.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Remember, remember this is interesting you say that no practice.
He sat for three years. He sort of knows Matt
Lafleur's offense. Again, it'd be if he was a rookie.
But like he this is a guy that has been
in that culture and that's with those teammates now for
several years. Remember last year, Matt Lafleur got Malik Willis
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with virtually no practice time to play really well in
early September, didn't even know the system was viewed largely
as a bust. Jordan Love's gonna be good.
Speaker 9 (21:18):
Okay, let's move on to another layer to the story
about the big noon Ohio State Texas matchup. For the
first time since polls have been in action, the number
one team in the country is an underdog in their opener.
The Buckeyes currently minus two and a half at home
against Texas. I'm not surprised at all about this. I
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think this Texas ranking is just arch manning vibes. That's
the only reason they're ranked number one in the country. Well,
roster is not number one in the country.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Well, Sark is a top three to four recruiter in
the country. Now that Saban's gone, there's an argument he
is the best recruiter in college football. Sark is a
at USC, he was a he was Pete s guy.
He's a great recruiter. Texas is a not only a
big brand, it's a cool brand. The state of Texas
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produces a lot of high school players. This roster backups
right now at Texas are like backups when Saban was
at Bama. They're just young eventual NFL players. So like,
for instance, I believe they have to replace four offensive linemens. Yes,
I guarantee you the guys that are starting now for
the first time were four or five star recruits.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Problem.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah and so and by the way, we're practicing against
NFL defensive lineman. For Texas, it's like Georgia, like I'm sorry,
but you know before the nil especially it's and I
do think nil you can get poached, But Texas doesn't
get poached necessarily as much as Georgia because Texas is
the richest college football program in the country.
Speaker 9 (22:52):
I don't know when your boy Klat's coming back on
the show, but I would love to hear if he
thinks Texas even has a top three or four ross
in the country, because I'm telling you, Clemson is loaded.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yes, Ohio State is loaded.
Speaker 9 (23:04):
Penn State is stacked beyond belief like that right there
as three teams.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
I think their rosters are better.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Penn State is returning a ton of really good players.
So this may be the year for Penn State, but
last year and the year before Texas had better players.
I mean, all you needed to go go back to
Sark early in his career, and I think we talked
about this. He went to Bama and he played Nick Saban,
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and I remember thinking at the time it was the
first time in ten years Bama looked small. Bama looked
like the smaller team. And I think, by the way,
I think Nick Saban knew that, and it's one of
the reasons he decided. Well, ESPN's offered me a job
for about six years, I think I'm gonna take it.
So remember, the SEC schools outside of Texas are getting
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poached now, and they don't have big nils like Oregon
or Ohio State Texas if you take I mean right now,
the top two NIL programs in the SEC are Texas
and Texas A and M. It's the Texas economy. So
the bottom line with Texas is their backups, their first
year offensive line guys. I mean, I'll have their depth
chart in front of me. I guarantee you they're four
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and five star guys. They're gonna be fine.
Speaker 9 (24:17):
I mean, Georgia has that too, but listen, college football
is super awesome at the top this season.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
All right, let's go to the final story.
Speaker 9 (24:23):
Obviously, we talked about the interaction over the weekend between
Chidure Sanders and Cleveland radio host Tony Grosi in the Tunnel,
filmed by Schidour's younger brother.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
Grocey told his side of the story yesterday on the radio.
Speaker 11 (24:39):
He left the podium to walk into the locker room,
and I called his name to ask him another question,
and that's when we discussed what was on his mind.
It was fine. I was a little bit surprised that
on his big night, and it's a big night for him,
considering all the circumstances that he would raise this. I
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thought that's why I thought he was joking. You know,
it shouldn't have been that big a deal on his
mind after his big night.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
That's exactly right. It's your first preseason game. That should
not be what you're thinking about. That's the judgment and maturity.
He's got to get better at the speeding tickets, the
legendary draft room, like like like that should not that's
not what you should be thinking about. Like, get over
local radio guy, even if he's popular.
Speaker 9 (25:30):
I mean, the guy's like, what is he twenty three,
twenty four?
Speaker 6 (25:32):
He's a young dude.
Speaker 9 (25:34):
Yeah, you know, back in your young ra hey day
in the radio career.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
Now, I got slighted by someone. You would probably let
him know.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
To Colin, No, by the way, when you're young, doctor
at twenty five slices and artery, are you gonna be
okay with him saying Hey, j Mac, I'm you young.
I was at a Sennor Froggy's last night half in
the time of my life, a third Morgarita quarterback. Well,
I'm saying there are professions pilot, surgeon, quarterback where unfortunately,
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you have to be uniquely mature at twenty four to
twenty five years old. This is not I didn't have
to be. I'm reading sports scores. Nobody cares. That's fair?
Speaker 9 (26:13):
Uh, I mean, I mean, I Colin, I agree with you,
not a great look.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
But I also remember what I was like as a
young more.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
You weren't a quarterback. I know you were a blogger.
I think there is even a lower standard than what
I did.
Speaker 9 (26:27):
Probably, yes, especially in two thousand and eight or whatever.
But again, remember, young people do dumb things. We've got
to get them a little bit of leeway. Now, the
multiple speeding tickets I think is much worse than this
encounter in the tunnel, right, I mean to one hundred
miles an hour fun, that's not oh.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Well, you're endangering other people's lives. Yes, but on a
scale they're all silly'd be serious again, twenty five year
old men are not serious, except I want them to
be as a pilot, as a quarterback, and as surgeon.
You've got to be more safe if you're not. By
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the way, same with stockbroker. I don't want a twenty
four year old handling my money, even if you're I
just don't. I want somebody who's been through two or
three recessions, doesn't freak out, has dealt with you know,
has dealt with the market for twenty or thirty years.
And that's that's why my broker's not twenty four years old.
Like I just don't trust in most critical situations a
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twenty four year old male.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
I think that's a good call.
Speaker 9 (27:27):
Unfortunately, owners in the NFL don't have that luxury. You
got to find the next superstar in I'm just more
shocked that he's still fourth on the depth chart, but
that's another time.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Well, we're gonna we're gonna address that. I think that's
very legitimate. J Mack with the News, Well, that's the news,
and thanks for stopping by the herd Line News. Yeah,
I've been I've been arguing that singular top. In fact,
it was so funny. So this morning I looked up.
I'm not going to give you the place, but there's
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a it's a country club, but it's a nine hole course,
and it's just a lot of times I don't have
time to play eighteen, I want to play nine. And
I was looking it up and it's a nine hole
course somewhere in the country. It's very, very nice, but
it's not too fancy. But I looked at their requirements
and one of their requirements at the very top was
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hats or visors have to be worn forward. Okay, you
can keep telling me, Hey, I was over at my
uncle Teddy's knocking down some Bruski's at the barbecue. Yeah,
I don't care if you wear your hat on backwards.
But at a nine whole golf course, advisors got to
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be front, hats got to be front. And so yes,
there are some environments in which we were asking you
no Jeanes hat on forward, no profanity, no and quarterbacks.
And by the way, ninety percent of you get this.
Like the ten percent that don't are the ones on
X also big bitcoin investors and bigfoot hunters, So I
(29:04):
mean most of us all get this stuff. But you know,
there are just certain things in life where dress matters.
And I'm not a guy that's in you know, I'm
not a six country club guy. It's not my scene.
I respect people who are, but there are environments where
we needed to be like a little bit more mature
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One we have very interesting discussions during the breaks. I
have like a rule with my family. I had to
tell my daughter the other day as a family, and
I don't think this is elitist. We do not fly
any airline that's the same color as a highlighter. We
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do not fly bright yellow airlines. And it's my theory
is any boardroom that decides that's a great looking color
in the sky the same as lightning, I'm not flying it.
So we do Delta an American and British and Air
Canada and Swiss and Luftanza and KLM and Singapore and Emirates.
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I've never flown, but it's supposed to be boushie. But
if you're bright yellow, we're not flying you. And that's
just my theory is if you're the same color as lightning,
we're not flying you. That management team has made bad decisions. Okay,
So I thought it was a little weird. The Cleveland
Brown's second day chart of the summer came out. Joe Flacco,
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Kenny pick Att, Dylan Gabriel and Schnor Sanders is fourth,
the guy who played Friday and was really good. So
and it reminded me of something. Is that I used to.
Right out of college, I got a job with a
minor league baseball team, And if you were a twentieth
round draft pick and hit three p seventy in the
spring and from a center field position, you still wouldn't
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make the major forty man roster. But if you were
a first round pick who hit two hundred and sixty
at the same position, you probably would. There's politics, there
is pick equity, there's validation of choices by general managers.
And I noticed this a lot, the politics of it
when I worked in minor league baseball. Guys would have
great springs and not make the forty man roster. My guy,
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he's a twenty seventh round pick, and like Schnur's a
fifth round pick, and the team, the GM and the
coach put the third round pick. You know, that's the
one they were trying to sell.
Speaker 9 (31:58):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
And I don't think Dylan Gabriel's an NFL quarterback, maybe
a backup. He's just too small. But you've got to
give Shadoor Sanders credit. A lot of pressure on him
Friday and it's pretty good, Okay, arm movement and can
we stop with he's not athletic enough. I'm watching again
this morning. He's athletic enough. There's one play against Carolina.
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He's spinning around and this is more athletic than half
the quarterbacks in the NFL. Flush to the left, spins,
spins again, and then in a front rate that is
more athletic than all but about ten guys in the league.
That's a very athletic quarterback. And we know he's accurate.
So and by the way, Shadour is their only healthy
quarterback right now. Is that not a skill? Was that
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not a skill for Eli Manning and Tom Brady and
Brett Farv He's healthy, Little Dylan Gabriel's dot, Kenny Piketts
banged up, Deshaun Watson can't get his act together or
stay healthy. Now. Joe Flacco's fine, He's going to be
the starter. But my point is is he's healthy. You
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deserve credit for that. He was good Friday, You deserve credit.
I was looking at his throws downfield. You can dink
and dunk your way to a really nice sixty nine
percent completion percentage on throws ten plus yards downfield, had
one hundred and forty nine passer rating. Those are the
throws that matter. Again, not with a very good receiving corps.
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I mean they are one of the weaker receiving cores
in the league. So I do think it's a little odd.
I don't think anybody's rooting against him, but it is
a little odd that you'd put out the second depth
chart and he's fourth. He's available, he's healthy with is
this gil? He played and he played well, So I
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don't know. I feel like me trying to read the
Cleveland Brown sensibility on quarterbacks is like trying to figure
out J Loo's boyfriends. I don't know what he's looking
for at this point, young, old, funny academic. I can't
I can't follow J. J Low's boyfriends. I can't follow Cleveland.
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They loved didn't just like they love Manzell's cockiness. They
loved Baker's hutspa. They overlooked Deshaun Watson's weirdness. I mean,
Chador's not serious enough for my taste yet. Maybe he
grows into it, but I I think sometimes he has
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to grow up. Some don't overlook the obvious. He's accurate,
he moves well. Deon Sanders gave him some, you know, advantages.
His dad was a coach. He also by the way
in college had forty one total starts that matters, Like
Anthony Richardson at Florida had thirteen looks raw at different
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levels of football, should have had forty one college starts.
Dad's an all time legend. That's a football family best
friends with Travis Hunter. So now he's not legendary like
his draft room said. But I think we have to
be fair here. He's not serious enough for my taste
at this point in his life. But you can't watch
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Friday and tell me you know he's kind. He's just
a pocket guy. No he's not. No, he's not. That's
not fair. He's not just a pocket guy. Here is
a Kevin Stefanski yesterday on the Browns sort of odd
quarterback room.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Dylan can do some eleven on eleven. Obviously, we're still
mindful of his tightness in the hamstring. Kenny not just
yet eleven on eleven, But both guys progressing well.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Do you expect shug Or to start Saturday.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
I'm not there on the game itself. Ill by Wednesday Thursday,
I have a better feel for the game and how
we're gonna handle that.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Now. I pushed back greatly when an announcer for the
other networks that he is being sabotaged. That's nonsense. They
want him to flourish. But now that he has flourished
and is healthy, it seems to me there you would
reward him. Now there is the possibility of this famous dad,
legendary draft room. They are tempering the hype. Their take is, listen,
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we're giving him easy stuff. But if you're giving him
easy stuff and he's throwing to a week receiving room
and as one hundred and forty nine quarterback rating on
throws of ten yards down the field, then he's probably
better than you think. And we also players drop in
the draft for a lot of reasons. A lot maturity
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I think really hurt him. But let's also be fair.
People that we respect, I mean Jmack and I. There
are certain people we both bring on our shows or podcasts.
Daniel Jeremiah is somebody that I have a lot of
respect for. Daniel Jeremiah had a first round grade, so
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it's not like I get the legendary stuff. He butchered
the New York Giants interview. I have now had that
validated by two people with very close contacts to the
New York Giants. It was awful. It was worse than
what was reported. It was because the Giants don't want
to make him look bad. It was bad and legendary
speeding tickets. But the speeding tickets were pre drafts, so
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he was underdrafted. Obviously, brock Perty was underdrafted. Tom Brady
was underdrafted because Brady did have some success at Michigan.
But here's Matt Hasselback yesterday on Shador in the entire saga.
Speaker 7 (37:44):
Will the Cleveland Browns have the courage to keep four quarterbacks?
And courage is the word I'm using because it's like
no one else does that. It doesn't make any sense.
This is a team that has gone without a quarterback
for so long that they might just say, hey, and
it's that important of a position. We like what we
have here, the traits that he's showing, let's hold on
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to him and develop him on the field. He doesn't
give me pause at all. He doesn't worry me at all.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
The other thing about availability, because Dylan Gabriel's hurt, is that,
I know it sounds weird to say availability is a skill,
but I think anything you practice is a skill. Tom
Brady practiced getting sacked. Lamar Jackson practiced being a better
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slider when he ran. He wanted to slide better. Russell
Wilson and Kyler Murray had baseball backgrounds day one. They
were great at avoiding big contact. Not getting hit is
a skill, and when you're practicing not getting sacked. So
Shadur Sanders for all the misgivings I have with his
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speeding tickets, He's not getting hurt. And there now, sometimes
you bang your left hand on a helmet. Again. Tom
Brady before the AFC Championship game had a gash on
his throwing hand, like he had to wear a glove.
I remember, I remember seeing a picture of it. It
was ghastly. It was awful, and he ended up winning
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the game. So accidents do happen. But I would give
I if everybody was I know this, If I was
a coach and everybody was hurt and that kid was healthy,
I would maybe unfairly view him. I would move him
up the roster. I'm like, well, the kid's healthy, he's
ready to play. Because in the NFL, everybody's hurt, even quarterbacks.
Everybody's banged up football. You know, we've all if even
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in high school level. Football practice is physical. Basketball practice
is fun. Ground ball's baseball practice, lacrosse practice, those are fun.
Football practice is not that fun. It's really not that fun,
even if you play quarterback. All right, j mac nick
Wright's going to be joining us next hour, at the
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very top of the hour. So tomorrow, Now, later in
the show, Mike Sando, who did the quarterback tiers, I'm
going to ask him about what people said, because what's
fascinating he had fifty different people, six gms, six assistant gms,
six former gms, and those quotes are anonymous. So a
couple of coaches came out and hammered Kayleb Williams processing.
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But I'm also interested. I'm going to ask him about
what a lot of the people said off the record
on Bo Nicks, Jordan Love, JJ McCarthy, Althothough we don't
have a lot on him and Kayleb Williams. So it's
going to be a very interesting interview. The other thing
to think about tomorrow, I have two more opportunities to
change my NFL standing picks. So last year we got
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the AFC division winners. All right, I'm going to make
one two major moves, so I do think preseason matters.
You look at injuries. I am making one major AFC
move and one substantial NFC move, both with playoff teams.
So I think you. I do think I do think
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preseason matters. I'll just tell you right now, losing Rashawn
Slater at left tackle for the Chargers is a real problem.
That is a real Thank god Harbaugh drafted Joe Ault.
If they'd have gone receiver, they would be in that division.
With Denver's pass rush in Kansas City's pass rush, they
would be in big trouble. Oh yeah, our one in
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You know we're getting into injury reports now. Jmac are
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very crucial for quarterbacks and perspective because people are going
crazy on stuff. I think we would both agree the
two best rookie quarterbacks because I remember John Elway, but
I don't remember a game by game. The two best
rookie quarterbacks I've ever seen here Andrew Luck who won
eleven games with a bad roster and didn't never write coach,
didn't never write GM, didn't never write a line, didn't
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never write anything. And then Jayden Daniels last year, who
you know, ends up at the NFC Championship. I mean,
those guys looked just unbelievable. Bo Nicks was good. Jayden Daniels,
you know there were times here like he's the third
fourth best quarterback in the league. So sometimes we lack perspective.
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And yesterday Mike Sando, who will be joining us in
a couple hours, he came out with his annual survey
of fifty NFL executives. It's called quarterback Tiers, And it
should be noted that Jade and Daniels, the rookie got
thirteen more Tsier one votes and the rest of his
division combined because Jalen Hurts got three and Deck got one.
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But it is interesting. Here's where it's different from Andrew
Lucky Daniels got some breaks. Number one, he didn't go
to Chicago. They can't get quarterback right. Number two, he
didn't get a coach on the hot seat. Number three,
he didn't get the oldest and arguably strangest ownership group
in the NFL, the mccaskey's. That stuff matters. Instead, he
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goes to Washington and his looney owner got flushed out
at the end of that last season. So he gets
a new owner, new GM, new coach, new momentum, new
culture with a very very mature number one wide receiver.
And he wasn't the number one pick. He was the
number two pick. And we always spend more time talking
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about the number one pick. So I'm not saying he
landed in Kansas City like with Andy Reid and Mahomes,
But ask yourself this, and I love Jayden Daniels, but
this is where Andrew Luck has him beat. Think about
the winningest quarterbacks in the last several years in the NFL, Mahomes, Lamar,
Josh Allen, Jaden Hurts, Jordan Love. What do they have
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in common? None of them entered the league in k
Here's who did Bryce Young, Caleb Williams, Justin Herbert, Trevor
Lawrence not so shockingly, They've had bumpier roads and more turbulence.
I mean a great example is Bo Nicks. Half the
GM's were not high on him. He gets Sean Payton
a good old line, he looks great. Caleb Williams, everybody
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kind of thought he was special, bad everything, coach coordinators
a line he looks completely lost. So don't undervalue even
for somebody as good as Jaden Daniels. Don't undervalue how
many breaks he got I mean the owner sharp, the
general manager Adam Peters, super sharp. Cliff Kingsbury may not
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be a head coach, excellent coordinator. The O line PFF
had at ranked number ten, a mature receiver at number one,
and even if he wasn't mature, he's a number one
receiver and a very workable schedule. Remember this. Jayden Daniels
only one time last year beat a playoff team, and
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that was against Philadelphia when Jalen Hurts got hurt, and
most of the game he faced Kenny Pickett. So if
you look at the quarterbacks he beat, it was Daniel
Jones twice, Kyler, Marie DeShawn Watson. In the disaster in Cleveland,
Andy Dalton, Caleb Williams, Will Levis, Jake Han, Michael Penix,
Trey Lance, and Kitty Pickett. He played Lamar Baker and
Jalen Hurts. He lost. He even lost to Russell Wilson.
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So two things can be true. I think he's just
tremendous player, but the landing spot is really crucial. And
what you think of Washington is what a mess. They
weren't a mess. They had all new people. Remember before
J Mack and I argued about this. J Max said,
how can you be good with all that change? And
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I said, when all the stuff you flushed out was
awful and all the new stuff is good, I am
for change. And I had told you I thought he
was going to look like Lamar Jackson, not quite as
nimble athletically, but much better in the pocket. And that's
what happened. But do I think Jaden Daniels, if you
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put him in Carolina would have been that? I do
not where you land really matters, So speaking of where
you land, So here's more bad news for the Niners,
specifically a wide receiver, Brandon Ayuk, who is their best
deep threat and the most talented wide receiver, is now
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reportedly going to be back in a week six. So
for the uninitiated, those not paying attention, not playing fantasy football,
let me give you an update on the fairly important
position for a quarterback, the wide receiver unit for the Niners. Debo.
Jayden Daniels has him now. Devo's gone, Brandon Ayuk can't
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plan till Week six. Juan Jennings contract dispute, not happy,
and he's hurt. Ricky pearsall year two hit, thirty one catches,
He's fine, he's not a one, he's probably a two
ish and DeMarcus Robinson not a big volume guy. He
may be suspended to start the season. So basically, if
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Christian McCaffrey, let's say, twists and ankle, the Great Rock
Party will have one of the weakest skill groups in
the NFL. And remember last year he was one in
six against playoff teams. But my take on this is, well,
this is real life in the NFL. This is not
brock Perty's first twenty one games. People were healthy, stacked roster,
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excellent defense, didn't have to win shootouts. He was very
good in his first twenty one starts, but in his
last fifteen starts it looks like this current wide receiver group.
He's six to nine, twenty touchdowns, twelve picks, and a
passer rating in the mid nineties. Why his teammates are older,
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they're brittle. They brought in Robert Sola to help the defense,
but green Law Defunger are gone, and outside of Bosa,
they don't have any real dominant players up front. So
he's got to win more shootouts and he doesn't have
as many great players. When he came into the league
his first year as rookie four all pros. Just on offense.
This offense. If Christian McCaffrey twists and ankle is not good,
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it's George Kittle and cross your fingers because Ricky Pearsol's
not a one. Juwan Jennings is not happy and hurt.
DeMarcus Robinson isn't the answer regardless of the question. Brandon
Aiyuk week six at the earliest, and Debo's gone. And
in my take is in those last fifteen stars. I
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looked up this this morning. In eight games last season
when they asked Brock Purty, bro you gotta throw at
thirty plus times, he was one seven. So but that's
the real life. It brought. Perty's career reminds me a
lot of des Bryant. Remember when Dez came into the
league thirteen and three rookie season, best O line easily
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in the league. Zeke was arguably the best running back
and des Bryant was a bit of a headache, but
was a touchdown machine. And then by year two and
three you needed Dak Prescott as the O line aged Zeke,
aged Dez was gone. The coaching was okay. Then you're
like we started all arguing on what DAK was worth.
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And that's the stage I believe we're going to be
at by mid to late October arguing about Brock. Perty.
We overvalued Dak and Brock early. Then they struggled when
deterioration age conflict. I mean San Francisco once again been
noisy in the off season, green Bay quiet. So here
(08:58):
here's Kyle Shanahan noting they have an issue at wide receiver.
What do you do? This is a challenge.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I meant, there's possibilities later not are guaranteed, but you know,
and there's lots of things that tied to that. Who's available,
how much you're available for and the situation our teams
in salary cap wise and stuff, and what we can do.
But yeah, we're looking into everything. We'll always try to
do the best, but try not to just panic and
do something to survive a tough situation at the expense
of what would really hurt you later in this year
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and definitely next.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Year and by the way, over the next several years.
Brock now makes more money, so you just can't go shopping,
you know, at Walmart. You're just not getting those Walmart prices, right,
So all this stuff matters. Jaden Daniels my theme to
start the show today. Jaden Daniels had way more support
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than you think because the Washington brand was so beat up.
You're like, what a circus. No, wasn't easy schedule backup
quarterbacks not as much price sure is a number two
pick only beat one playoff team? Way beat Burrow. Yeah,
it was early. A lot of people beat Joe Burrow early. Right,
So when he played Jalen and Baker and Lamar and
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all of a sudden you got to win shootouts and
maybe a trail, and the coaching staffs are better, it's
a whole different ballgame. And brock Purty was overvalued early.
He's probably a little undervalued now by the critics, myself
being one of them. But this what he's dealing with,
the wide receiver. That's the real NFL. And for years
I've said this about quarterbacks. One of the advantages brock
(10:33):
perty had at Iowa State it got him ready and
prepared him for the NFL, which is bad. Old lines
running for your life often have the second best coach
or second best roster. That's why a lot of these
Bama quarterbacks they don't do great in the NFL. They
never trail, they get great protection. The receivers are always
wide open. That's not preparing you for the NFL. North
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Carolina State, Miami of Ohio quarterback at those schools. Col
that's Iowa State. That's preparing you for the NFL. So
Nick Wright stops by in about fifty minutes, you see
Tom Brady's talking about Bill Belichick. I am so fired
up for Bill Belichick. I feel it's so much Jmack
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like Deon at Colorado. So Deon brings in a new
energy and a bunch of transfers, like it's a bad
program that didn't have success recruiting, and So Carolina brings
in a bunch of transfers, totally new energy. Thought Jordan
Hudson's story, it's got some youth that's got Belichick. But
Dion made his hay in the NFL as a player.
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Belichick made his hay in the NFL as a coach.
On Sundays and they both opened with TCU. Dion blew
them out. Belichick's an underdog. So is that TCU Carolina
is that labor day? Weekend by day? It is, Oh,
it's Monday. I know what I'm leading with on Tuesday
show a can't wait for It all Right? Coming up next? Uh,
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the Cleveland Browns released a depth chart kind of wonky
if you ask me.
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Nick right top of the hour. So I just said,
I think Dion and Belichick, you'd think they're totally different,
going to college, very similar. They bring a new energy,
both made their hay in NFL football, and they both
open with TCU Belichick's and underdog Dion beat TCU in
the opener. I just went back and looked at it
very close. He was a shootout. But my question is
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there I think I've always believed there are. I always
had Rex Ryan would have been a really good college coach.
He's kind of a good looking guy with a huge personality.
He would have been a great recruiter. I think Rex
Ryan would have been a big now now, I thought
he was a little sloppy and light on the details
as an NFL coach, but he did have a pretty
good run. Let's be honest with the Jets. He had
(13:37):
a pretty good run. And I know Rex a little bit.
He's a big person. I always thought John Gruden would
be an excellent college coach. He's got just enough bs
in the recruiting trail. John could recruit Jimmy Johnson, Pete
Carroll and Jim Harball were great college coaches and pro
coaches right. But the reason is they can recruit their
personalities and their culture set their tone setters. They're not
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as much they're walk around guys more than just scheme guys.
Kyle Shanahan, Andy Reid, Sean Payton scheme guys. I don't
think they'd like recruiting. I think they're like sitting in
a room and figuring out plays. And I don't think
they'd be as successful in college. And I love Sean Payton,
Andy Reid and Shanahan. Shanahan would have no interest with boosters,
(14:22):
no interest with an athletic director, and I don't think
Kyle would want to recruit much. So that's my question
with Belichick is that will his brilliance be muted? And
I like Elon Musk needs as a genius, the freedom
to be a genius. If you put Elon Musk in
(14:42):
a rigid corporate setting, he would be the smartest guy
at IBM and would go crazy. Jeff Bezos at Amazon,
he didn't even make He didn't make a profit for
the first twenty twenty one years. He needed the freedom
to explore the late architect Frank Lloyd Wright. You don't
want him building DMV building, right, Like sometimes the greater
(15:02):
the intellect, they're mavericks. They're risk takers because they have
so much confidence in their ability. And I think with Belichick,
my question is if he's smart enough. He's a brilliant guy,
but like how much in a seventeen hour NCAA mandated
work week. How much can you teach? And Tom Brady
was on Joel Clap's podcast and talked about that very thing.
Speaker 8 (15:27):
What they're going to get is obviously the most prepared,
the most hard working coach.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
That I'd ever been around.
Speaker 8 (15:36):
If you go to that school, you will be prepared
to play at the next level. He's going to teach
you the right fundamentals, the right techniques, He's going to
have a high expectation for you, and you're going to
develop a lot.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
That's what I know.
Speaker 8 (15:49):
He is so smart with how he approaches defensive schemes
and offensive schemes and how much can these young kids retain?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, and also just actively. I mean, there have been
NFL coaches that go to college, and there's always been
this perception that a college guy can't go to the NFL.
But Jim Harbaugh did and had great success, and Jimmy
Johnson didn't have success, and Pete Carroll didn't had success,
And it's usually because they could really recruit they have
(16:20):
a I mean, Pete Carroll's Jimmy john I've been around
Jimmy a lot. They've got an energy, hardball when he
comes on my show for an interview. The last couple
of them. As a Charger guy, huge energy, and I
think the guys that are more intellects the wrong word,
but more like football academics like Andy Reid will not
do joint practices. He won't let you even look at
(16:42):
any of his stuff. He doesn't want any team at
his practice. And Belichick is a brilliant, brilliant football coach.
But man, I got six kids in my life at
nineteen years old, they make weird choices. They can frustrate.
I hate you, especially as you age. Jmack with the news.
(17:08):
Turn on the news. This is the herd Line news,
all right.
Speaker 9 (17:13):
Remember last week we did NFC predictions and I had
the Packers near the top. Some not great news coming
out of Green Bay here in the last hour. Obviously,
Jordan Love banged his hand on a helmet during the
Jets loss. Jordan the loss of the Jets over the weekend. Well,
the Packers just announced that Jordan Love tore a ligament
in his left thumb and had a procedure to repair it,
(17:36):
calling it just a little procedure.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
He should be fine for Week one.
Speaker 9 (17:40):
But here's Brian Gudikins, the GM addressing the media after the.
Speaker 10 (17:44):
Game, Jordan is having a little procedure done on his
left thumb that he heard in the game.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
We'll put him out a little bit of a while.
Speaker 10 (17:52):
Hopefully I'm got back at practice next week. Shouldn't shouldn't
miss any regular season time when you kind of could
you know, split two guys they can helmet just got it.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah, that that doesn't worry me. Oh, really left thumb.
Tom Brady played with a gash that I think remember
Tom Brady got a gash. Was that on his throwing
hand or his offhand? It was brutal, It may have
been on his throwing hand. And Tom Brady won a
playoff game.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Tom Brady, Jordan Love, Yeah, they're in the same boat.
Just Jordan Love.
Speaker 9 (18:26):
Though, Colin I've been looking looking into the Packers since
I started hyping him last week. So McKinney the safety,
he's banged up, missing time, their top cornerback Hobbs also.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
Injured, missing a lot of practice times.
Speaker 9 (18:37):
And Jaden Reid who can't stay healthy, their gadgety receiver.
So you got four critical players there, starters missing a
lot of practice time.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
Leading into Week one. I don't want to go overboard, but.
Speaker 9 (18:50):
You need your quarterback out there developing rapport.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
With saying you're right, golden. If you were playing Philadelphia
in week one, I degree there, they're playing the cold
so they get a scheduling break and they know it.
So again, if you're playing Jayden Daniels or Jalen Hurd's,
or you're playing you know, you're playing Mahomes, or you're
playing on you know, Thursday night, you know they're who
(19:14):
are who they? Who's the Green Bay opener? I see
here they're playing Saturday. They're playing to call who do
they open in the season with?
Speaker 6 (19:20):
I think it's the Bears?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Is it? Okay? Where's the game at? I the Bears
with new coordinators who have looked shaking.
Speaker 9 (19:30):
Okay, So Colin, now we're get into to Jordan Love
hurt again.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
When you kept saying Joe Burrow.
Speaker 9 (19:36):
Was fragile and I called him glass Joe. He had
numerous injuries. I mean, Jordan Love, now this is two
years in a row.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
He's hurt. What's the time, Just time out, time out?
Joe Burrow had a cl M c L. Joe Burrow
had serious, serious injuries. Banging your off hand on a
helmet Matt Stafford does that every third week with the
Rams like that. That's not that is not a serious injury.
That's what he's open with Lions.
Speaker 9 (20:00):
I'm sorry, not the Bears, the Green cashes here on
the screen, open with the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
So not a layup at all.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Well, it's not a layup, but the new Lions with
new coordinators will be very interesting to watch. I think
they could develop over the course of the year. But
we saw him in the Hall of Fame game and
they were awful with all new coordinators, all new system.
So I think that's fine. It's it's I just think
offhand the way I mean our medical profession now, people
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are in and out these hour surgeries, these minor procedures,
and he's a young athlete in his prime. He'll heal quickly.
He'll be fine, totally get that.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
I just he's going to be out this week.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
So no practice, right, Bob.
Speaker 9 (20:43):
Seasons three weeks away come. I don't know, I'm not overreacting.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Remember, remember this is interesting you say that no practice.
He sat for three years. He sort of knows Matt
Lafleur's offense. Again, it'd be if he was a rookie.
But like he this is a guy that has been
in that culture and that's with those teammates now for
several years. Remember last year, Matt Lafleur got Malik Willis
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with virtually no practice time to play really well in
early September, didn't even know the system was viewed largely
as a bust. Jordan Love's gonna be good.
Speaker 9 (21:18):
Okay, let's move on to another layer to the story
about the big noon Ohio State Texas matchup. For the
first time since polls have been in action, the number
one team in the country is an underdog in their opener.
The Buckeyes currently minus two and a half at home
against Texas. I'm not surprised at all about this. I
(21:41):
think this Texas ranking is just arch manning vibes. That's
the only reason they're ranked number one in the country. Well,
roster is not number one in the country.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Well, Sark is a top three to four recruiter in
the country. Now that Saban's gone, there's an argument he
is the best recruiter in college football. Sark is a
at USC, he was a he was Pete s guy.
He's a great recruiter. Texas is a not only a
big brand, it's a cool brand. The state of Texas
(22:10):
produces a lot of high school players. This roster backups
right now at Texas are like backups when Saban was
at Bama. They're just young eventual NFL players. So like,
for instance, I believe they have to replace four offensive linemens. Yes,
I guarantee you the guys that are starting now for
the first time were four or five star recruits.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Problem.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah and so and by the way, we're practicing against
NFL defensive lineman. For Texas, it's like Georgia, like I'm sorry,
but you know before the nil especially it's and I
do think nil you can get poached, But Texas doesn't
get poached necessarily as much as Georgia because Texas is
the richest college football program in the country.
Speaker 9 (22:52):
I don't know when your boy Klat's coming back on
the show, but I would love to hear if he
thinks Texas even has a top three or four ross
in the country, because I'm telling you, Clemson is loaded.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yes, Ohio State is loaded.
Speaker 9 (23:04):
Penn State is stacked beyond belief like that right there
as three teams.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
I think their rosters are better.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Penn State is returning a ton of really good players.
So this may be the year for Penn State, but
last year and the year before Texas had better players.
I mean, all you needed to go go back to
Sark early in his career, and I think we talked
about this. He went to Bama and he played Nick Saban,
(23:32):
and I remember thinking at the time it was the
first time in ten years Bama looked small. Bama looked
like the smaller team. And I think, by the way,
I think Nick Saban knew that, and it's one of
the reasons he decided. Well, ESPN's offered me a job
for about six years, I think I'm gonna take it.
So remember, the SEC schools outside of Texas are getting
(23:54):
poached now, and they don't have big nils like Oregon
or Ohio State Texas if you take I mean right now,
the top two NIL programs in the SEC are Texas
and Texas A and M. It's the Texas economy. So
the bottom line with Texas is their backups, their first
year offensive line guys. I mean, I'll have their depth
chart in front of me. I guarantee you they're four
(24:15):
and five star guys. They're gonna be fine.
Speaker 9 (24:17):
I mean, Georgia has that too, but listen, college football
is super awesome at the top this season.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
All right, let's go to the final story.
Speaker 9 (24:23):
Obviously, we talked about the interaction over the weekend between
Chidure Sanders and Cleveland radio host Tony Grosi in the Tunnel,
filmed by Schidour's younger brother.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
Grocey told his side of the story yesterday on the radio.
Speaker 11 (24:39):
He left the podium to walk into the locker room,
and I called his name to ask him another question,
and that's when we discussed what was on his mind.
It was fine. I was a little bit surprised that
on his big night, and it's a big night for him,
considering all the circumstances that he would raise this. I
(25:02):
thought that's why I thought he was joking. You know,
it shouldn't have been that big a deal on his
mind after his big night.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
That's exactly right. It's your first preseason game. That should
not be what you're thinking about. That's the judgment and maturity.
He's got to get better at the speeding tickets, the
legendary draft room, like like like that should not that's
not what you should be thinking about. Like, get over
local radio guy, even if he's popular.
Speaker 9 (25:30):
I mean, the guy's like, what is he twenty three,
twenty four?
Speaker 6 (25:32):
He's a young dude.
Speaker 9 (25:34):
Yeah, you know, back in your young ra hey day
in the radio career.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
Now, I got slighted by someone. You would probably let
him know.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
To Colin, No, by the way, when you're young, doctor
at twenty five slices and artery, are you gonna be
okay with him saying Hey, j Mac, I'm you young.
I was at a Sennor Froggy's last night half in
the time of my life, a third Morgarita quarterback. Well,
I'm saying there are professions pilot, surgeon, quarterback where unfortunately,
(26:02):
you have to be uniquely mature at twenty four to
twenty five years old. This is not I didn't have
to be. I'm reading sports scores. Nobody cares. That's fair?
Speaker 9 (26:13):
Uh, I mean, I mean, I Colin, I agree with you,
not a great look.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
But I also remember what I was like as a
young more.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
You weren't a quarterback. I know you were a blogger.
I think there is even a lower standard than what
I did.
Speaker 9 (26:27):
Probably, yes, especially in two thousand and eight or whatever.
But again, remember, young people do dumb things. We've got
to get them a little bit of leeway. Now, the
multiple speeding tickets I think is much worse than this
encounter in the tunnel, right, I mean to one hundred
miles an hour fun, that's not oh.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Well, you're endangering other people's lives. Yes, but on a
scale they're all silly'd be serious again, twenty five year
old men are not serious, except I want them to
be as a pilot, as a quarterback, and as surgeon.
You've got to be more safe if you're not. By
(27:03):
the way, same with stockbroker. I don't want a twenty
four year old handling my money, even if you're I
just don't. I want somebody who's been through two or
three recessions, doesn't freak out, has dealt with you know,
has dealt with the market for twenty or thirty years.
And that's that's why my broker's not twenty four years old.
Like I just don't trust in most critical situations a
(27:24):
twenty four year old male.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
I think that's a good call.
Speaker 9 (27:27):
Unfortunately, owners in the NFL don't have that luxury. You
got to find the next superstar in I'm just more
shocked that he's still fourth on the depth chart, but
that's another time.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Well, we're gonna we're gonna address that. I think that's
very legitimate. J Mack with the News, Well, that's the news,
and thanks for stopping by the herd Line News. Yeah,
I've been I've been arguing that singular top. In fact,
it was so funny. So this morning I looked up.
I'm not going to give you the place, but there's
(27:59):
a it's a country club, but it's a nine hole course,
and it's just a lot of times I don't have
time to play eighteen, I want to play nine. And
I was looking it up and it's a nine hole
course somewhere in the country. It's very, very nice, but
it's not too fancy. But I looked at their requirements
and one of their requirements at the very top was
(28:19):
hats or visors have to be worn forward. Okay, you
can keep telling me, Hey, I was over at my
uncle Teddy's knocking down some Bruski's at the barbecue. Yeah,
I don't care if you wear your hat on backwards.
But at a nine whole golf course, advisors got to
(28:40):
be front, hats got to be front. And so yes,
there are some environments in which we were asking you
no Jeanes hat on forward, no profanity, no and quarterbacks.
And by the way, ninety percent of you get this.
Like the ten percent that don't are the ones on
X also big bitcoin investors and bigfoot hunters, So I
(29:04):
mean most of us all get this stuff. But you know,
there are just certain things in life where dress matters.
And I'm not a guy that's in you know, I'm
not a six country club guy. It's not my scene.
I respect people who are, but there are environments where
we needed to be like a little bit more mature
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Speaker 1 (29:55):
One we have very interesting discussions during the breaks. I
have like a rule with my family. I had to
tell my daughter the other day as a family, and
I don't think this is elitist. We do not fly
any airline that's the same color as a highlighter. We
(30:16):
do not fly bright yellow airlines. And it's my theory
is any boardroom that decides that's a great looking color
in the sky the same as lightning, I'm not flying it.
So we do Delta an American and British and Air
Canada and Swiss and Luftanza and KLM and Singapore and Emirates.
(30:39):
I've never flown, but it's supposed to be boushie. But
if you're bright yellow, we're not flying you. And that's
just my theory is if you're the same color as lightning,
we're not flying you. That management team has made bad decisions. Okay,
So I thought it was a little weird. The Cleveland
Brown's second day chart of the summer came out. Joe Flacco,
(31:03):
Kenny pick Att, Dylan Gabriel and Schnor Sanders is fourth,
the guy who played Friday and was really good. So
and it reminded me of something. Is that I used to.
Right out of college, I got a job with a
minor league baseball team, And if you were a twentieth
round draft pick and hit three p seventy in the
spring and from a center field position, you still wouldn't
(31:25):
make the major forty man roster. But if you were
a first round pick who hit two hundred and sixty
at the same position, you probably would. There's politics, there
is pick equity, there's validation of choices by general managers.
And I noticed this a lot, the politics of it
when I worked in minor league baseball. Guys would have
great springs and not make the forty man roster. My guy,
(31:46):
he's a twenty seventh round pick, and like Schnur's a
fifth round pick, and the team, the GM and the
coach put the third round pick. You know, that's the
one they were trying to sell.
Speaker 9 (31:58):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
And I don't think Dylan Gabriel's an NFL quarterback, maybe
a backup. He's just too small. But you've got to
give Shadoor Sanders credit. A lot of pressure on him
Friday and it's pretty good, Okay, arm movement and can
we stop with he's not athletic enough. I'm watching again
this morning. He's athletic enough. There's one play against Carolina.
(32:19):
He's spinning around and this is more athletic than half
the quarterbacks in the NFL. Flush to the left, spins,
spins again, and then in a front rate that is
more athletic than all but about ten guys in the league.
That's a very athletic quarterback. And we know he's accurate.
So and by the way, Shadour is their only healthy
quarterback right now. Is that not a skill? Was that
(32:42):
not a skill for Eli Manning and Tom Brady and
Brett Farv He's healthy, Little Dylan Gabriel's dot, Kenny Piketts
banged up, Deshaun Watson can't get his act together or
stay healthy. Now. Joe Flacco's fine, He's going to be
the starter. But my point is is he's healthy. You
(33:04):
deserve credit for that. He was good Friday, You deserve credit.
I was looking at his throws downfield. You can dink
and dunk your way to a really nice sixty nine
percent completion percentage on throws ten plus yards downfield, had
one hundred and forty nine passer rating. Those are the
throws that matter. Again, not with a very good receiving corps.
(33:26):
I mean they are one of the weaker receiving cores
in the league. So I do think it's a little odd.
I don't think anybody's rooting against him, but it is
a little odd that you'd put out the second depth
chart and he's fourth. He's available, he's healthy with is
this gil? He played and he played well, So I
(33:49):
don't know. I feel like me trying to read the
Cleveland Brown sensibility on quarterbacks is like trying to figure
out J Loo's boyfriends. I don't know what he's looking
for at this point, young, old, funny academic. I can't
I can't follow J. J Low's boyfriends. I can't follow Cleveland.
(34:11):
They loved didn't just like they love Manzell's cockiness. They
loved Baker's hutspa. They overlooked Deshaun Watson's weirdness. I mean,
Chador's not serious enough for my taste yet. Maybe he
grows into it, but I I think sometimes he has
(34:35):
to grow up. Some don't overlook the obvious. He's accurate,
he moves well. Deon Sanders gave him some, you know, advantages.
His dad was a coach. He also by the way
in college had forty one total starts that matters, Like
Anthony Richardson at Florida had thirteen looks raw at different
(34:59):
levels of football, should have had forty one college starts.
Dad's an all time legend. That's a football family best
friends with Travis Hunter. So now he's not legendary like
his draft room said. But I think we have to
be fair here. He's not serious enough for my taste
at this point in his life. But you can't watch
(35:19):
Friday and tell me you know he's kind. He's just
a pocket guy. No he's not. No, he's not. That's
not fair. He's not just a pocket guy. Here is
a Kevin Stefanski yesterday on the Browns sort of odd
quarterback room.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Dylan can do some eleven on eleven. Obviously, we're still
mindful of his tightness in the hamstring. Kenny not just
yet eleven on eleven, But both guys progressing well.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Do you expect shug Or to start Saturday.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
I'm not there on the game itself. Ill by Wednesday Thursday,
I have a better feel for the game and how
we're gonna handle that.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Now. I pushed back greatly when an announcer for the
other networks that he is being sabotaged. That's nonsense. They
want him to flourish. But now that he has flourished
and is healthy, it seems to me there you would
reward him. Now there is the possibility of this famous dad,
legendary draft room. They are tempering the hype. Their take is, listen,
(36:25):
we're giving him easy stuff. But if you're giving him
easy stuff and he's throwing to a week receiving room
and as one hundred and forty nine quarterback rating on
throws of ten yards down the field, then he's probably
better than you think. And we also players drop in
the draft for a lot of reasons. A lot maturity
(36:45):
I think really hurt him. But let's also be fair.
People that we respect, I mean Jmack and I. There
are certain people we both bring on our shows or podcasts.
Daniel Jeremiah is somebody that I have a lot of
respect for. Daniel Jeremiah had a first round grade, so
(37:05):
it's not like I get the legendary stuff. He butchered
the New York Giants interview. I have now had that
validated by two people with very close contacts to the
New York Giants. It was awful. It was worse than
what was reported. It was because the Giants don't want
to make him look bad. It was bad and legendary
speeding tickets. But the speeding tickets were pre drafts, so
(37:28):
he was underdrafted. Obviously, brock Perty was underdrafted. Tom Brady
was underdrafted because Brady did have some success at Michigan.
But here's Matt Hasselback yesterday on Shador in the entire saga.
Speaker 7 (37:44):
Will the Cleveland Browns have the courage to keep four quarterbacks?
And courage is the word I'm using because it's like
no one else does that. It doesn't make any sense.
This is a team that has gone without a quarterback
for so long that they might just say, hey, and
it's that important of a position. We like what we
have here, the traits that he's showing, let's hold on
(38:06):
to him and develop him on the field. He doesn't
give me pause at all. He doesn't worry me at all.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
The other thing about availability, because Dylan Gabriel's hurt, is that,
I know it sounds weird to say availability is a skill,
but I think anything you practice is a skill. Tom
Brady practiced getting sacked. Lamar Jackson practiced being a better
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slider when he ran. He wanted to slide better. Russell
Wilson and Kyler Murray had baseball backgrounds day one. They
were great at avoiding big contact. Not getting hit is
a skill, and when you're practicing not getting sacked. So
Shadur Sanders for all the misgivings I have with his
(38:58):
speeding tickets, He's not getting hurt. And there now, sometimes
you bang your left hand on a helmet. Again. Tom
Brady before the AFC Championship game had a gash on
his throwing hand, like he had to wear a glove.
I remember, I remember seeing a picture of it. It
was ghastly. It was awful, and he ended up winning
(39:19):
the game. So accidents do happen. But I would give
I if everybody was I know this, If I was
a coach and everybody was hurt and that kid was healthy,
I would maybe unfairly view him. I would move him
up the roster. I'm like, well, the kid's healthy, he's
ready to play. Because in the NFL, everybody's hurt, even quarterbacks.
Everybody's banged up football. You know, we've all if even
(39:42):
in high school level. Football practice is physical. Basketball practice
is fun. Ground ball's baseball practice, lacrosse practice, those are fun.
Football practice is not that fun. It's really not that fun,
even if you play quarterback. All right, j mac nick
Wright's going to be joining us next hour, at the
(40:03):
very top of the hour. So tomorrow, Now, later in
the show, Mike Sando, who did the quarterback tiers, I'm
going to ask him about what people said, because what's
fascinating he had fifty different people, six gms, six assistant gms,
six former gms, and those quotes are anonymous. So a
couple of coaches came out and hammered Kayleb Williams processing.
(40:27):
But I'm also interested. I'm going to ask him about
what a lot of the people said off the record
on Bo Nicks, Jordan Love, JJ McCarthy, Althothough we don't
have a lot on him and Kayleb Williams. So it's
going to be a very interesting interview. The other thing
to think about tomorrow, I have two more opportunities to
change my NFL standing picks. So last year we got
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the AFC division winners. All right, I'm going to make
one two major moves, so I do think preseason matters.
You look at injuries. I am making one major AFC
move and one substantial NFC move, both with playoff teams.
So I think you. I do think I do think
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preseason matters. I'll just tell you right now, losing Rashawn
Slater at left tackle for the Chargers is a real problem.
That is a real Thank god Harbaugh drafted Joe Ault.
If they'd have gone receiver, they would be in that division.
With Denver's pass rush in Kansas City's pass rush, they
would be in big trouble. Oh yeah, our one in
(41:34):
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