August 14, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin sets expectations for Caleb Williams this season and why he should improve with new head coach Ben Johnson after a rollercoaster rookie year.
He's not convinced the Steelers will have a "historic" defense after head coach Mike Tomlin claims the team could be set up for greatness
Colin talks about the Dodgers getting swept by the Angels and them struggling even though they have the highest payroll
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
It is a Thursday. We are full as usual one hour,
Greg Cosal, It's The Herd in Chicago. Wherever you may be,
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. You know, jaymca, I was thinking about
this on Fox Sunday night. I'm not sure if I've
ever been this jack to watch a preseason game. It's
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Caleb Williams and the Bears taking on the Buffalo Bills.
And Ben Johnson has said, listen, we're playing starters. So
and we've seen this preseason Mahomes and Borough and you know,
veterans are playing everybody's so. But this week they held
out Caleb Williams, and so I want to talk about this.
We tend to think, as fans and media, we tend
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to think, if you're really talented, that the problems are
always solvable. Carmelo Anthony, Well, he's a great athlete, he'll
commit to defense eventually. He never did. James Harden never
committed to the defensive end. MJ did, Kobe did, Lebron did,
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Durant has even Steph Curry, who's not great, did byrd
did Melo. James Harden never did, could have Lucas never
really committed to defense. Well, he's in great shape. He'll
use that for offense, my guess, not for defense. Not.
We tend to think though, like we all know that
Sean mcvayh could not make Jared Goff fast or Kyle
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Shanahan may have made Matt Ryan an MVP, but he
couldn't make him a great athlete. But when we we
see these great talents, we think, wow, you can solve
their problems. Aaron Rodgers has been aloof his entire career.
J Cutler's temperament was not a winning temperament in the NFL.
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And Cutler was already talented, and so is Aaron Rodgers,
Kyler Murray. Is he really as committed as Tom Brady was.
He's certainly talented enough to be. We think commitments just
getting in a little early staying a little late doesn't work
that way. When you're a great athlete like Caleb Williams.
There's some things that come easy and you really never
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developed them right. Like I always said, there's very few supermodels,
male or female, that have been the neurosurgeons. They don't
have to be right. So I look at Caleb and
this is the part that I'm very optimistic. Last year,
with two different head coaches and two different play callers,
a total circus, and an egregiously bad offensive line, here
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were the numbers. Sixty two and a half percent completion percentage,
eighty eight passer rating, twenty touchdown, six picks. Those are
not terrible. If he just improved, just with Ben Johnson,
very very a luxury offensive mind and a very big
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upgrade on the offensive line. If he just improved fifteen percent,
look at the numbers, he's a pro bowler. Seventy one
percent completion percentage, twenty three touchdowns, only five picks in
one on one passer. Ready, you would be you would
be a pro bowler. Fifteen percent of fifteen percent is
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a huge return in the stock market on an annual basis,
but fifteen percent tweaking. That's kind of what McVeigh did
to Jared Goff, he really if you go look at
the golf numbers. I mean I was looking at him
this morning. It's not like he took Jared from fifty
four percent completion percentage to seventy. He's come fifty four
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to sixty two right like now the passer rating because
basically golf was on his back with a Jeff Fisher staff.
But it was a lot of tweaking. But he couldn't
make him a great athlete. My question with Caleb Williams
are his issues Like Carmelo he could do it or
Luca he could do it, they don't want to. He
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just wants to tuck it and run. Lamar Jackson could
have tucked it and run his way to Pro Bowls,
but he didn't want to do just that. So Lamar
Jackson has developed into a really good pocket quarterback. He
didn't have to. He was winning a lot of games
his first year and a half. Not great from the pocket,
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but above the shoulders. Lamar Jackson, a relentless competitor, said
I'm going to get better than the pocket, and he did.
But it doesn't always work that way. So there are
certain things in chick that are not solvable. The winter weather,
the Bears weaker than average ownership are not solvable. The
question becomes can he improve fifteen percent? Because coaches offensive
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coaches are great at tweaking, they are not magicians. Nobody
could make Jay Cutler joyful. Nobody's been able to make
Kyler Murray's commitment obsessive. You know, nobody's ever been able
to get Aaron Rodgers out of that passive aggressive nonsense
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or mellow to shoot a three or luke of the
play defense. Not all issues are solvable. Fifteen percent improvement
from Ben though, And you have a Pro Bowl quarterback,
and that's why I say you got to get him
on the field. Brian Boldeger came on the show yesterday
and agree, just get him on the field, and let's
figure out solvable or unsolvable. Let's figure it out by
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like Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Okay, great, you're toughening the team up to get tougher mentally.
Let's put the quarterback out there. You've upgraded the offensive line.
You can't be the least bit worried about him getting hurt.
He was sacked sixty eight times and never hurt last year.
Put him out there. Let him show the world that
this offense fits him and he can do the things
that Ben Jonson wants him to do. There's no point
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to hide him. He needs to play in this offense
and he needs to get the ball out of his
hands and went from the pocket.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
So people think I'm picking on the Pittsburgh Steeters, But
every even Hall of Fame coach has a little bit
of a hole. We saw with Bill Belichick. He started
taking over the drafts and the last seven New England
Patriot drafts where Belichick had ultimate control, sitting with his
dog in that Nantucket table making picks, they were awful.
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Bill had a hole in his game, and his hole
was he was not good at drafting. He reached on
multiple offensive linemen, multiple wide receivers. He was pretty good
on drafting the defensive side, especially corners, linebackers, safeties. He
was dreadful on offense. Did he ever draft a wide receiver?
I mean he had to go get Randy Moss already
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a pro, Wes Welker already a pro. Edelman was a
quarterback in college. Like, did they ever draft a wide
receiver that panned out? He just couldn't do it. Mike
Tomlin has a whole too, and I hope he's aware
of it. But Mike Tomlin is talking about the Steeler defense.
He said, Oh, this thing, listen to this. This thing
is going to be historic. Here's Mike Tomlin on this
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year's potential Steeler defense.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
We feel really good about the prospects of this group.
We do. We got to write that story, but we
got enough talent, we got enough schematics to do big,
big things. And when I say big things, I'm talking
about historic things.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
It's really hard to be a historic defense when you
can't sustain drives offensively. And this, to me is the
hole in Tomlin's game. He's a motivator, he develops, he
knows defense. But if you notice last year too, what
happens in the last five or six games to the
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Steelers defense, it falls apart because they're on the field
the whole season. Last year, last five games, their defense
last in the league in opponents passer eating dead, last
quarterbacks ate them alive. They gave up four hundred yards
a game, twenty seven and a half points a game.
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The point differential was minus sixty six, bottom of the league.
So this year's defense is going to be historic because
you had a Darius Slay and Jalen Ramsey. Both both
bats are prime. The Steelers can't develop consistent run games,
and there's a reason Philadelphia's defense or Baltimore's defense are dominating. Yes,
part of its personnel. The other part is Lamar Jackson
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and Derrick Henry keep the defense off the field so
they're arrested. And by the way, that's what Philadelpha Jalen
Hurts and Saquon Barkley in the old line. So when
the defense is on the field, they are arrested and
are ready to go. Pittsburgh's defense last year with TJ. Watt,
with Cam Hayward Mika Fitzpatrick was dreadful because they're on
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the field the entire game. And as the NFL keeps
expanding the season, we're now at seventeen games, many suspect
it will be eighteen. You will not have a great
defense in the NFL going forward. If we go to
eighteen games, you will not have a great defense without
a complimentary above average run game. That is too many
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games to have your defense on the field. Remember that
playoff game last year with the Ravens, Jusee, time of
possession Ravens forty minutes, Steelers twenty minutes. You can't be
a great defense in these elongated seasons. I mean, even
college football is going to fourteen to fifteen games after
the playoff. If you don't have a run game, I
don't care how good Alabama's defense is. More guys get hurt,
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more guys are exhausted. Pittsburgh's defense was terrible at the
end of last year because they couldn't move the change.
That's what Belichick Ohays got. He kept Dante's Scarnecki around
best offensive line coach. Ever, they always had an above
average run game. They didn't lead the NFL in sacks,
they didn't lead the NFL in interceptions year after year,
but their defense was fresh, usually healthy. Go to the sidelines,
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get on the iPad. What did we do wrong? Sustain drives, Brady,
pick it up first downs, Just move the chains, seven
minute drives. Even if you only get a field goal
or don't score, let the defense rest. There are no
going forward. There will be no great NFL defenses seventeen
to eighteen game schedule consistently without a good run game.
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And the Steelers cannot build a run game. And you
know the only thing that's historic is that the historic
nature of the Steelers is once again they lead the
in defensive spending. In the last four years, haven't been
a top ten defense. That's virtually impossible to do historically.
If you spend the most money on the side of
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the ball, and you do it for four straight years,
it is virtually unheard of that that's not top ten.
And yet the Steelers last four years haven't because there
run games stunk. It's not that complicated. I think it's
the hole in his game. All right, Jay Mac, we
got a lot. Greg co Sella's going to be joining us.
The Angel swept the Dodgers. The Brewers and the Angels
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this year have swept the Dodgers. Tay, did you listen
to Taylor Swift stuff?
Speaker 5 (11:36):
What Taylor Swift stuff?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
You didn't hear Taylor Swift on that New Heights podcast.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
I was unaware that happened. Of course I heard about it.
My daughter watched the whole thing. No, I did not
pay attention to.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
What does she make of it?
Speaker 6 (11:46):
She's a fan of Taylor Swift. You know, we went
to the concert. I don't know that there's anything super
interesting in there. Let me go back to your Pittsburgh point.
For said, Colin, can you run a business? I've run
a business. Can you think of running a business finding
no success? Were it matters most the bottom line for
like four years in a row. And then let's not
change anything. Let's just double down on what's not working.
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Like how can Pittsburgh think let's keep doing this? Like
what am I missing here? That's just bad business?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's so odd. And again, even
the great coaches have a hole. Belichick and personnel, offensive personnel.
He just couldn't do it last seven years. The proof's
in the pudding. Jerry Jones, smart guy, vanity and ego.
It's his hole. You know, everybody's got one temperament for
Elon Musk bit of a hole. He found that out,
you know, dealing with our president. Everybody's got a hole,
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no matter how smart they are. And I think Mike
tomlins Is he's unable to develop a run game to
allow his defense to win the time of possession battle.
You can't keep at Remember there's more injuries historically on
the defensive side than the offensive side. Defensive guys are
there to blow stuff up. I mean, that's what you
do is a defensive player pair on fire fast as
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you can blow stuff up. More defensive players get hurt
over a season and offensive players. And by the way,
as defensive players get older and expensive, they get hurt
more often. So the Steelers now were an old football
team on defense. TJ. Watt, Cam Hayward, thirty seven, Slay Ran.
They're an old defense. They're an expensive defense. And what's
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that mean when you can't develop a run game. By
the way, the guy they drafted not been impressive as camp,
not in camp, Najie Harris gone. So there's no indication
they have struggled to run the ball in camp. It's
going to be any different.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Yeah, they feel like a business, like a Kodak or Xerox.
They just don't see that you need to reboot or
reinvent yourself.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
We think it's a passing league. The top six rushing
teams last year in the NFL all made the playoffs.
Three of the top five teams in total defense last
year did not, So we know that defense isn't as
impactful as it used to be based on the rule changes.
But the great defense is almost all have something in common.
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Baltimore right Philadelphia, They have a complimentary run game to
keep the defense off the field. That's why the toush
push is so valuable to the defense. I mean they
could just they just convert third and fourth downs. That
is another four to five minutes of real time your
defense can be resting. Yeah, you want your defense to
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go to the sideline, go to the iPad. What do
we do wrong? Get a gatorade, smelling salts and yeah,
and then come out hair on fire.
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They just got swept by the Angels. Swept. The hottest
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team in baseball now is the Milwaukee Brewers. The Blue Jays,
in a division with the Yankees and Red Sox, are
leading handily. The Dodgers, Mets, and Yankees are all struggling
in the have now three highest payrolls all fallen out
of first place. Baseball has not had a repeat champions
since the Yankees in ninety nine and two thousand and
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outside of the COVID year, the Dodger have been out
spending almost everybody in baseball for over a decade, and
they've got one World Series title. Yet. The salary cap
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Patrick Mahomes dominated dominated and college sports you know, which
until recently didn't really pay players, has always had dynasties.
So I keep looking at the last eleven World Series champs. Yeah,
the Dodgers have a couple, one of them COVID. But
I see, you know, I see the Nats, and I
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see the Giants, and I see the Royals and the
Astros and the Rangers and the Braves and the I
don't see the Yankees and so, and I go up.
And if you're listening on radio, Dodgers, Rangers, Astros, Braves, Gnats,
Red Sox, Astros, Cubs, Royals, Giants, no Yankees, no Mets.
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So and I know Rob Manfred would like to see
more parody among salaries. But Cincinnati is not Los Angeles.
The economies aren't the same. If you want to contract
and get rid of Cincinnati, which I would not do. Okay, fine,
but every league has a bottom thirty percent. So does
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the Live and PGA Tour, So does every tennis tour,
So does college basketball college football. The same nine teams
have dominated college basketball my entire life. UCLA used to
be greater, they're still viable. The same eight college football
teams have dominated my entire life. The NBA just signed
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an eleven year, seventy six billion dollar deal. Sacramento has
never mattered. Revenue ratings never mattered. Memphis now doesn't matter.
Okase won the title. I'm not sure they matter. So this, literally,
this constant fear mongering of baseball is in an incredible
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place right now. Dodgers are a mess, Yankees and Mets
falling out of first Brewers on fire, with their manager
eating in game pancakes he stuffs in his pockets. Look
at it, I mean, right now, look at the brands
in baseball. Look at the best records in baseball. I
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mean the Phillies, Dodgers, Cubs, Tigers, Mets, Yankees, Red Sox
probably make the playoffs. Those are great brands. The Brewers
may win it all. The Tiger's best staff may win
it all. So when I said this yesterday, there's even
in socialism countryes driven by socialism, regulated by socialism. They're hierarchies.
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You're never gonna have perfect parody if you put Cincinnati
in a league with a team from New York in
Los Angeles, generally speaking, especially in the NFL, who are
the best owners? Those are the organization winning titles. The
Celtics have had really good ownership most of my life.
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They're always viable. The Dodgers really good ownership, Nicks, Wizards
not really stop the fear mongering. Baseball is in a
great place. The Brewers are absolutely on fire, and the
Dodgers are a mess. And here's Dave Roberts after getting
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swept by the Angels.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Now it's a new season, so you know, you look
at the standings and.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
We got to play better baseball and find ways to
win games.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
If you go to club soccer Barcelona, Real, Madrid, Man City,
you go anywhere on the globe, go to the German
Soccer League, the French League, you go to English Premier League.
They're always relegating the same teams. It's it's just, it's
just the way it is. I watched Tiger Woods do
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it in golf for ten years, fifteen years. I watched
Jack to it for fifteen before then. So you know,
watching the Dodgers get swept by the Angels, which should
never happen, but it did. It's baseball. J Mack with the.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
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Speaker 6 (20:31):
All right, Colin, let's pivot to the NFL and the
Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Listen, Jerry Jones keeps them in the news. What can
we say?
Speaker 6 (20:37):
Micah Parsons situation remains unsolved as they have their final
padded practice at Oxnard yesterday. Parsons has not spoken to
the media since the first day of camp on July
twenty second, so we're building in in a month and
Jerry Jones did not have much of an update.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Get a load of this, Colin.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
What's preventing you guys from talking right now?
Speaker 8 (20:58):
Again?
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (21:01):
The uh really nothing. We might or might not talk,
and the rest of that gets in what we do
every day.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
Is there a deadline to know whether Michael Parsons plans
to play in week one or not?
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (21:18):
No, not at all. You don't have deadlines when you're
playing under a contract.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
Very interesting, you don't have deadlines when you're playing under
a contracts like a shot.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
That's a shot at Michael.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Well, no, that's the truth.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Oh stop it, Colin, that's not technically, yes, that is
the truth.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Oh technically, well, contracts are technical.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Hey, I'll give you a jaywalking ticket.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
Okay, technically is not a big deal, but technically jaywalking, I.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Would have to pay the ticket or it would compound
in interest, that's payment.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
So Michael yourson's could theoretically sit out the season.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Theoretically he could, but he would not get paid and
he would get fined because there's a contract with a
CBA that does allow that. So contractually, Jerry is right,
there is no deadline. You've got a year left on
your contract. Jerry's on, you don't have to like this,
but there is no rule that I have to pay
you a year early. No, that is when you're getting
increasingly banged up. You're not practicing. I do not have
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to pay you a year.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
Wait, hold on, do you think that they're not paying
him because you're he's increasingly banged up and all that.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I think there's a lot of factors, and one of
them is why aren't you practicing?
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Get my new contract?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Everybody in my every I have to do what the
Mariners do? I have to do? Why do I have
to do what poorly run teams do?
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Sure, you don't have to.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
You could send a signal to other free agents that
this is how we do business.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
And do you think those free agents are going to
want to get in bed with you? Nobody's winning this
league because of free agents. They're winning it because of
quarterback play, drafting in a develop Free agency has never
equaled Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
The Philadelphia Eagles just added an all Pro linebacker and
Zach Gone and Sigwe Markley and won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
They won the Super Bowl because their offensive line all
drafted into developed outside of McKay, Beckton is all theirs all.
They did not win a Super Bowl because at Sagwon Barkley.
He added to the deepest roster by a mile in
the league. Derrick Henry made the Ravens interesting. They were
great before he got there. They were winning games. Nobody's
winning the Super Bowl to free agency. This threat, if
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you don't treat Damon Damian Lillard good for the Blazers,
no player will ever go to Portland. Nonsense. If I
call your agent and say here's three hundred million, you're
going to the Blazers. That is a threat that agents
have made forever. It doesn't hold water at all. Players
as they should be, are selfish and worried about themselves
and their family. Free agency is never in the NFL
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equal championships. In fact, I could argue the opposite has happened.
Teams that overspend and it ruined chemistry. It's like the
nil the transfer portal. Usc LSU Colorado are using it
a ton. Notre Dame's not, and they're winning more football.
Get Clemson's not. They have a top three team. So
this idea that, oh, they're not paying Micah, So what
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if they offered somebody else huge money, they would go
tomorrow to Dallas.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
I mean it seems unlikely they would offer someone else
huge money given they won't even pay Micah.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
I just think he's bungled this Colin. I know you
like to side with the millionaire owners if this is.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Not Cincinnati, where they don't where they struggle with every contract.
The Cowboys have made Dak the highest paid quarterback before
and made Ceedee Lamb. How's that working out? Well, that's
not the point. Stay on your point. They pay people,
they're not paying Micah. They overpaid for that linebacker from
Notre Dame coming off an injury. I forget the name
j Jalen Smith. They paid him too much, Dak. I
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think they paid too much, Ceedee Lamb. They paid him
about right. They paid people all they paid DeMarcus Lawrence,
They've paid all sorts. They paid Zach Martin for years.
Tyron Smith for you, cowboys have never They've never been cheap.
In fact, I'd argue they should pay earlier and then
they don't have to wait and pay as much as
they do. But Micah is a rare. We're not paying this.
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Jerry doesn't do this. Is Cincinnati does this annually. The
Chargers used to do this annually. This is not what
Jerry does annually.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
Yeah, So getting to the root of why he's dug
in his heels for Micah Parsons is strange. I mean,
he did this with Dak. It did not work out well.
They signed him to a huge deal. How many what
do you have to show for it? And now he's
waited for Micah and it's like every.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Day he's in front of fifty microphones.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
If Micah sits out the year and comes back, he
still has to play under the contract with a year left,
so all the leverage is with Jerry, Jones and Dallas.
He's getting increasingly hurt. He hasn't done anything in the playoffs.
Edge rushers are much more replaceable than quarterbacks. That's why
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you pay Dak. I've told you before, if I had
to pay three players on a team, it would be quarterback,
left tackle. There's an argument in twenty twenty five, third
should be a weapon. A Poka Amarante. There's the only
defensive player. I will absolutely move the Brinks truck over.
Is for a dominant interior D lineman. Chris Jones, Aaron Donald,
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A Reggie White, a Jalen Carter. That body type is
you know, getting a guy that's sixty one three point
thirty with great feet is impossible. You can find ed
rushers now, Miles Garrett, I would pay. But a lot
of these guys on this list, you can find them
the market. College football delivers they have on an annual basis.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
By the ways, let's see playoffs. Last year.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
Steelers did not win, Browns didn't make it. Yeah, Texans
won to one. Crosby did not make it, Niners did
not make it, Jets did not make Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
So that I mean, listen, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
But you could have got one of these deals two
years ago for Mike guy.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
I'll just pay them early.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
All right.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
Let's move on to the Ravens. Colin Derrick Henry. Last season,
I did not know this. He had over nineteen hundred
yards rushing. They were Dereck Henry and Lamark combined one
of the most prolific quarterback running duos in NFL history.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
They come by for over twenty eight hundred yards.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
Henry said joining Lamar and the Ravens was even better
than expected, adding things were electric. That's a good free
agent move for the Ravens. But she a little short
in the put. Yeah, Dallas could have had him probably, No.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
No, we preached on this show for a year before.
We're like, go get Derrick Henry. You can get him
for cheap, and the Ravens did. That's why the Ravens
are perpetually good. Owner Steve Bushatti in the executive suite
and John Harbaugh like they all work in unison. Derrick
Henry was a Steve I didn't think it would be
this good. I thought he was so physical. I figured
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there'd be some erosion or regression. He has been unbelievable.
It may happen next year, Colin. I looked historically, when
he has a lot of carries, like over three hundred
and twenty five, the next year there's some pullback.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
I will say, can you remind me.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
The last time you saw Steve Bushatti, the owner of
the Ravens at training camp, fielding questions from the media.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Do you remember when that was?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
You know what's funny about Steve Bushatti is he really
does pull all the levers there, but.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Hily behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Yeah, for a show there are I don't know if
there's another owner in the NFL, and I'm serious that
has more of a say on draft Day than Steve Bushati.
Steve Bushatti is all over the Ravens, but he doesn't
He's not driven by vanity. He's a great boss, one
of the really good billionaires in this league. I've talked
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to multiple people in the league that say he's the
best owner in the league.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Even during the Lamar remember two years ago Lamar, he
said out of it, MA was his mom.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Was like negotiating.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
Bushati wasn't involved and giving us weekly updates.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
I know he was involved, but he hides exactly.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
Jerry take notes. Final story Colin Eagles Brown's joint practices
this week ahead of the preseason matchup Saturday. How about
this moment Shader Sanders approached Jalen Hurts and the two
went for a ride in a golf cart.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Here's what they had to Here's what Hurt said about
their chat.
Speaker 9 (28:59):
There's a sense of obligation to be yourself and that's
who I am to you know, be honest and genuine
and expressing how how I got to where I am today. Ultimately,
it takes a great deal of patience and hard work
and the sense of resilience.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
You know, you gotta want it.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
You know you gotta want it.
Speaker 9 (29:17):
And so I'm supporting him from where I am and
I wish I have none but the best of his opportunities.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Good guy to learn from.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
Yeah, Chaduor hopefully was taking notes there. I like that
Jalen Hurts such a such a leader, you know, calling in.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
That quarterback tiers list. I don't think they have a.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Leadership quotion where it's like gives a golf cart ride
to a fifth round pick who's been maligned by the media.
Another thing Jalen Hurts has in his back pocket that
I love.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Now he's twenty seven doing on forty seven j Mack
with the news, Well.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the heard
Line News.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
It's always better to start out as a tough parent
and then lighting up, because if you start out as
ice cream for breakfast, dad, your kids won't take you seriously.
And one NFL team at a practice yesterday, a joint
practice that is being called a disaster. A disaster ice
(30:17):
scream for breakfast a dad is unraveling in Miami. We'll
talk about that. Man.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
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Speaker 6 (30:31):
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Speaker 1 (30:47):
So when Tom Coughlin coach the New York Giants, he
came in hot. He had been coaching at college. He
goes to Jacksonville. He goes to the Giants and he
was intense, and eventually the owner sat him down and said,
you gotta lighten up a little bit. You know, the
player counsels like, coach, you got lighted up a little bit.
He did, and they won super Bowls. But it's okay
because he's still he was always accountable. When he was
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a task master or he lightened up, he was still
holding people accountable. But I find this with parents managers
that I've had in my career. You can't come in
soft and then become tough guy. Everybody rolls their eyes
and it's this is what I've said. The media chooses
who they like and don't like. They didn't like Brian Flores.
He didn't give you any access. Like Urban Meyer in college,
(31:32):
even though he was winning games, he wouldn't give you
any access. And so the media is like, oh, we
don't like that guy, we don't like that person. Pete
Carroll give you a bunch of access at US See.
Everybody loved him, and so I think with Brian Flores,
he goes into Miami. This is the coach before Mike mcdonne.
He goes into Miami, no access, He's tough on everybody,
(31:56):
and he breaks down the culture. First eight weeks he
just breaks it down the goe. From that point forward
until he was fired, they were something. They were five
and four, bottom five penalized team in the league with
upgraded special teams. Okay, Mike McDaniel not a guy that
(32:17):
holds people accountable, fun loving, the snarky hipster. They're a
top five penalized team since he's been a coach of
the Dolphins. Brian floor is a bottom five penalized team.
Why accountability, which is something now Mike McDaniel is stressing.
So yesterday the Dolphins had a practice with the Lions.
The quote here is it was as lobsided a joint
(32:39):
NFL practice as I've ever seen. Apparently Tua got banged up,
Zach Wilson got banged up. A linebacker for the Lions.
Grant Steward said, I don't even know if they practice
how we practice. But again, you can't be a bull
(32:59):
of jello. That's what Miami is a lot of movement,
no meat in the sandwich. Brian Flores was rough, he
didn't treat everybody well. He has grown since then and
I think remains the best defensive coordinator in the league,
top two. He inspects. But Miami was something by like
week nine on. They didn't commit penalties, they took the
(33:21):
ball away, the special teams were buttoned up. You didn't
have to love him. He didn't get along with Tua,
but they were something. And that's why I say, with
Miami and Mike McDaniel, what are they? I don't know
what they are? And again I understand it takes a
while to break down the culture, but I would argue
today Miami doesn't even have a culture, and it all
starts with lack of accountability. And that's why Brian Flores
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came in hot. He probably should have lightened up. He
now has in Minnesota, but I would hire Brian Flores.
Mike McDaniels came in as everybody's friend, and now he's
trying to create accountability and it's hard. And that's not
a shot at Mike. It's hard. Jason Garrett in Dallas
tried to do that and people just didn't buy it
(34:08):
because he was everybody's, you know, the clapper. He was
everybody's buddy. It was hard. Wade Phillips in his career
is a really likable guy. It's hard to buy in.
He's a task master. Harbaugh can come in hot to Stanford,
San Francisco, Michigan, comes in hot and then can lighten
up and be more joyful. I mean, at the end
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in Michigan, Harbaugh was a lot of fun. And so
here's Mike McDaniel on the Lions player that said, I
don't even know if they practice like we do. Literally
does not affect me whatsoever. I think there's a.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
Lot of a lot of noise, and I would file
that into the noise category.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Well it's noise, but it's not necessarily there's some validation.
The noise is just a comment, that's right, Okay. So
Taylor Swift went on the Travis Kelsey podcast. It's called
New Heights. It's the Kelsey Brothers. It's very popular and
(35:12):
people got really worked out last year and it was
really ridiculous. So she would be on Chiefs games, she
would be on TV and whoever was airing the Chiefs game,
which they were on every network. They played every day
but Tuesday last year, so people would get worked up
over it, which I called him out because if you
looked at the time she was on screen, it was
like thirty four seconds per game. I mean, they networks
(35:34):
would show her, obviously as the world's biggest pop star,
just like they would show, you know, a Spice girl
married the David Beckham, you know if Beckham was playing.
I mean, Derek Jeter didn't get married, but Derek Jeter,
he had a very fruitful life as a Yankee. This
is we live in this world. Now, celebrities get celebrities,
(35:54):
but Here was Taylor Swift. She is it sounds real
here you got to give her. I know some of
you guys aren't comfortable with this because she's on screen
for thirty four seconds. And I would argue, celebrities get celebrities.
They get the intensity, they get the nonsense. You know,
they get people taking pictures constantly, like I get it.
They get each other. Here is her talking actually about football.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
I fell in love with it. I became obsessed with it.
Speaker 10 (36:21):
I became like a person who was running through the
halls of my house screaming.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
We Drafteda if you're worthy? And I wasn't so like,
what is who body snatched you?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
This is? This is?
Speaker 10 (36:34):
What do you mean that we're talking about cover two,
Cover four, Cover zero, man cover. We're talking, we're learning.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yes, and so it's okay, we're all going to be okay.
She's going to be shown for thirty four seconds. Travis
Kelsey's retiring after the year. But you know I've heard
this a while. They're using each other. Well, I would
argue they get each other. That Travis Kelcey is Saturday
Night Live, He's on GQ, MAGA. He was already popular
because he was so great in football. He's good looking,
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he's got a great person. It's not like he hosted
Saturday Night Live before Taylor Swift. I mean he was
a very popular guy. He was Mahomes's biggest ally on
the offense. It's not like he wasn't big. But I
will say I've been a little shocked at how myopic
and rigid sports fans have been with us. David Beckham
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married a spice girl, Derek Jeter had celebrity girlfriends, Russell
Wilson's Mary to a singer. Folks, it's hard for Taylor Swift,
the world's biggest musical act. In fact, not only that
I read just two days ago on Apple Watch, she
has pulled away from the rest of the industry. Who
do you want her to date? Got the true value
(37:45):
hardware store. I mean, let's be serious here, Celebrities get celebrities.
I mean, Justin Berlander, didn't he marry Kate Upton? The Supermode?
So just ask yourself, were you bothered by Derek or
Russell Wilson or David Beckham. I think a lot of
this is we as Americans are very tribal about our football.
(38:08):
But this idea that networks can't show Taylor Swift for
thirty four seconds. Folks, do you realize there's twelve and
a half minutes of football in a four hour broadcast.
They're showing you a lot that is non football. I've
seen every male in Buffalo jump off their mini van
onto a table on a pregame show that you can
(38:30):
cut back. I'm done seeing that. I'm done seeing cheesehead guy.
That is a cliche. I'm done with. I can live
with a thirty four seconds. By the way, Aaron Rodgers,
who has a mysterious wife, has twice dated celebrities. This
is just like the way it's going to. There are
in America athletes. There are royal family in the UK,
(38:55):
you have a royal family. You have princes in Monaco.
Right in America, our royal family are superstar athletes and
you know movie stars. That's our royal family. Here was
more Taylor on the new influx of female fans to football.
Speaker 10 (39:14):
A lot of the women and girls they maybe they
like watched one game to see me each year on
my boyfriend or whatever. But if they stayed, which is
what people are saying based on the numbers, that the
game is so great and it's such an amazing interesting
thing to learn about.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Yeah, it's great on television. I mean, it's the reason
the Netflix, Amazon, Primes, the Hulus, the paramounts, the reason
these companies do well good content. It's not because we
like paying our Netflix bill every month. They offer really
good documentaries and it's the best actors and the best
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writers and the best directors and producers. And that's what
the NFL is. The NFL is great content. Baseball can
be slow. There's not a lot of urgency with the
NBA season.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
It's long.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Soccer's over on Apple TV. I'm not paying for that.
The NFL's great content. Sorry, j Mac didn't mean to
take a shot, would you. I mean, let me ask
you this. Nobody complained about the obligatory and relentless shots
of Fireman ed for thirty years. We can't be bothered
by thirty four seconds of Taylor Swift Fireman Ed. I
(40:27):
am over that one. I'm over. I kind of look
forward to the Taylor Swift six second shot four times
a game.
Speaker 6 (40:34):
Yeah, I will say the whole Taylor Swift running around
screaming we got Xavier Worthy.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
That's pretty cool now.
Speaker 6 (40:39):
I know in my house, I can hype the Jets
with our draft picks.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
But my family's not all excited.
Speaker 6 (40:45):
I like the Taylor Swifts bought in and talking about
cover two, cover three, Man, like, that's kind of cool.
I don't know, I'm impressed. I mean, I assume ann
run circles around the family room. No, when you announce
USC just signed the five star offensive None. No.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
And I do think this is genuine and authentic. Is
that I think when you're young. I mean, my daughter
likes sports more than my son. She's willing to go.
She goes to MLS games all the time in Nashville,
So I think it's authentic. I don't buy their using
each other. I would they speak that celeb language. I
think they get each other. I think it's hard to
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be a celebrity. Celebrities and never made more in America
I happen to. I mean, of the twelve homes, I'm
sure Taylor Swift owns. I know where one of them's at.
And people sit on the beach and take pictures of
her home. It's like a it's a trend. It's what
people do all summer long. Who are you going to date?
Who are you going to be around?
Speaker 4 (41:38):
You know?
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Yeah, congrats to the Kelsey's on that all right, Greg
Cosel's around the corner on a Thursday. I can't wait.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
It is a Thursday. We are full as usual one hour,
Greg Cosal, It's The Herd in Chicago. Wherever you may be,
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. You know, jaymca, I was thinking about
this on Fox Sunday night. I'm not sure if I've
ever been this jack to watch a preseason game. It's
(00:46):
Caleb Williams and the Bears taking on the Buffalo Bills.
And Ben Johnson has said, listen, we're playing starters. So
and we've seen this preseason Mahomes and Borough and you know,
veterans are playing everybody's so. But this week they held
out Caleb Williams, and so I want to talk about this.
We tend to think, as fans and media, we tend
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to think, if you're really talented, that the problems are
always solvable. Carmelo Anthony, Well, he's a great athlete, he'll
commit to defense eventually. He never did. James Harden never
committed to the defensive end. MJ did, Kobe did, Lebron did,
(01:32):
Durant has even Steph Curry, who's not great, did byrd
did Melo. James Harden never did, could have Lucas never
really committed to defense. Well, he's in great shape. He'll
use that for offense, my guess, not for defense. Not.
We tend to think though, like we all know that
Sean mcvayh could not make Jared Goff fast or Kyle
(01:54):
Shanahan may have made Matt Ryan an MVP, but he
couldn't make him a great athlete. But when we we
see these great talents, we think, wow, you can solve
their problems. Aaron Rodgers has been aloof his entire career.
J Cutler's temperament was not a winning temperament in the NFL.
(02:15):
And Cutler was already talented, and so is Aaron Rodgers,
Kyler Murray. Is he really as committed as Tom Brady was.
He's certainly talented enough to be. We think commitments just
getting in a little early staying a little late doesn't work
that way. When you're a great athlete like Caleb Williams.
There's some things that come easy and you really never
(02:36):
developed them right. Like I always said, there's very few supermodels,
male or female, that have been the neurosurgeons. They don't
have to be right. So I look at Caleb and
this is the part that I'm very optimistic. Last year,
with two different head coaches and two different play callers,
a total circus, and an egregiously bad offensive line, here
(03:00):
were the numbers. Sixty two and a half percent completion percentage,
eighty eight passer rating, twenty touchdown, six picks. Those are
not terrible. If he just improved, just with Ben Johnson,
very very a luxury offensive mind and a very big
(03:21):
upgrade on the offensive line. If he just improved fifteen percent,
look at the numbers, he's a pro bowler. Seventy one
percent completion percentage, twenty three touchdowns, only five picks in
one on one passer. Ready, you would be you would
be a pro bowler. Fifteen percent of fifteen percent is
(03:44):
a huge return in the stock market on an annual basis,
but fifteen percent tweaking. That's kind of what McVeigh did
to Jared Goff, he really if you go look at
the golf numbers. I mean I was looking at him
this morning. It's not like he took Jared from fifty
four percent completion percentage to seventy. He's come fifty four
(04:05):
to sixty two right like now the passer rating because
basically golf was on his back with a Jeff Fisher staff.
But it was a lot of tweaking. But he couldn't
make him a great athlete. My question with Caleb Williams
are his issues Like Carmelo he could do it or
Luca he could do it, they don't want to. He
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just wants to tuck it and run. Lamar Jackson could
have tucked it and run his way to Pro Bowls,
but he didn't want to do just that. So Lamar
Jackson has developed into a really good pocket quarterback. He
didn't have to. He was winning a lot of games
his first year and a half. Not great from the pocket,
(04:48):
but above the shoulders. Lamar Jackson, a relentless competitor, said
I'm going to get better than the pocket, and he did.
But it doesn't always work that way. So there are
certain things in chick that are not solvable. The winter weather,
the Bears weaker than average ownership are not solvable. The
question becomes can he improve fifteen percent? Because coaches offensive
(05:11):
coaches are great at tweaking, they are not magicians. Nobody
could make Jay Cutler joyful. Nobody's been able to make
Kyler Murray's commitment obsessive. You know, nobody's ever been able
to get Aaron Rodgers out of that passive aggressive nonsense
(05:35):
or mellow to shoot a three or luke of the
play defense. Not all issues are solvable. Fifteen percent improvement
from Ben though, And you have a Pro Bowl quarterback,
and that's why I say you got to get him
on the field. Brian Boldeger came on the show yesterday
and agree, just get him on the field, and let's
figure out solvable or unsolvable. Let's figure it out by
(05:55):
like Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Okay, great, you're toughening the team up to get tougher mentally.
Let's put the quarterback out there. You've upgraded the offensive line.
You can't be the least bit worried about him getting hurt.
He was sacked sixty eight times and never hurt last year.
Put him out there. Let him show the world that
this offense fits him and he can do the things
that Ben Jonson wants him to do. There's no point
(06:17):
to hide him. He needs to play in this offense
and he needs to get the ball out of his
hands and went from the pocket.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
So people think I'm picking on the Pittsburgh Steeters, But
every even Hall of Fame coach has a little bit
of a hole. We saw with Bill Belichick. He started
taking over the drafts and the last seven New England
Patriot drafts where Belichick had ultimate control, sitting with his
dog in that Nantucket table making picks, they were awful.
(06:47):
Bill had a hole in his game, and his hole
was he was not good at drafting. He reached on
multiple offensive linemen, multiple wide receivers. He was pretty good
on drafting the defensive side, especially corners, linebackers, safeties. He
was dreadful on offense. Did he ever draft a wide receiver?
I mean he had to go get Randy Moss already
(07:10):
a pro, Wes Welker already a pro. Edelman was a
quarterback in college. Like, did they ever draft a wide
receiver that panned out? He just couldn't do it. Mike
Tomlin has a whole too, and I hope he's aware
of it. But Mike Tomlin is talking about the Steeler defense.
He said, Oh, this thing, listen to this. This thing
is going to be historic. Here's Mike Tomlin on this
(07:31):
year's potential Steeler defense.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
We feel really good about the prospects of this group.
We do. We got to write that story, but we
got enough talent, we got enough schematics to do big,
big things. And when I say big things, I'm talking
about historic things.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
It's really hard to be a historic defense when you
can't sustain drives offensively. And this, to me is the
hole in Tomlin's game. He's a motivator, he develops, he
knows defense. But if you notice last year too, what
happens in the last five or six games to the
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Steelers defense, it falls apart because they're on the field
the whole season. Last year, last five games, their defense
last in the league in opponents passer eating dead, last
quarterbacks ate them alive. They gave up four hundred yards
a game, twenty seven and a half points a game.
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The point differential was minus sixty six, bottom of the league.
So this year's defense is going to be historic because
you had a Darius Slay and Jalen Ramsey. Both both
bats are prime. The Steelers can't develop consistent run games,
and there's a reason Philadelphia's defense or Baltimore's defense are dominating. Yes,
part of its personnel. The other part is Lamar Jackson
(08:55):
and Derrick Henry keep the defense off the field so
they're arrested. And by the way, that's what Philadelpha Jalen
Hurts and Saquon Barkley in the old line. So when
the defense is on the field, they are arrested and
are ready to go. Pittsburgh's defense last year with TJ. Watt,
with Cam Hayward Mika Fitzpatrick was dreadful because they're on
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the field the entire game. And as the NFL keeps
expanding the season, we're now at seventeen games, many suspect
it will be eighteen. You will not have a great
defense in the NFL going forward. If we go to
eighteen games, you will not have a great defense without
a complimentary above average run game. That is too many
(09:39):
games to have your defense on the field. Remember that
playoff game last year with the Ravens, Jusee, time of
possession Ravens forty minutes, Steelers twenty minutes. You can't be
a great defense in these elongated seasons. I mean, even
college football is going to fourteen to fifteen games after
the playoff. If you don't have a run game, I
don't care how good Alabama's defense is. More guys get hurt,
(10:01):
more guys are exhausted. Pittsburgh's defense was terrible at the
end of last year because they couldn't move the change.
That's what Belichick Ohays got. He kept Dante's Scarnecki around
best offensive line coach. Ever, they always had an above
average run game. They didn't lead the NFL in sacks,
they didn't lead the NFL in interceptions year after year,
but their defense was fresh, usually healthy. Go to the sidelines,
(10:26):
get on the iPad. What did we do wrong? Sustain drives, Brady,
pick it up first downs, Just move the chains, seven
minute drives. Even if you only get a field goal
or don't score, let the defense rest. There are no
going forward. There will be no great NFL defenses seventeen
to eighteen game schedule consistently without a good run game.
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And the Steelers cannot build a run game. And you
know the only thing that's historic is that the historic
nature of the Steelers is once again they lead the
in defensive spending. In the last four years, haven't been
a top ten defense. That's virtually impossible to do historically.
If you spend the most money on the side of
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the ball, and you do it for four straight years,
it is virtually unheard of that that's not top ten.
And yet the Steelers last four years haven't because there
run games stunk. It's not that complicated. I think it's
the hole in his game. All right, Jay Mac, we
got a lot. Greg co Sella's going to be joining us.
The Angel swept the Dodgers. The Brewers and the Angels
(11:31):
this year have swept the Dodgers. Tay, did you listen
to Taylor Swift stuff?
Speaker 5 (11:36):
What Taylor Swift stuff?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
You didn't hear Taylor Swift on that New Heights podcast.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
I was unaware that happened. Of course I heard about it.
My daughter watched the whole thing. No, I did not
pay attention to.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
What does she make of it?
Speaker 6 (11:46):
She's a fan of Taylor Swift. You know, we went
to the concert. I don't know that there's anything super
interesting in there. Let me go back to your Pittsburgh point.
For said, Colin, can you run a business? I've run
a business. Can you think of running a business finding
no success? Were it matters most the bottom line for
like four years in a row. And then let's not
change anything. Let's just double down on what's not working.
(12:09):
Like how can Pittsburgh think let's keep doing this? Like
what am I missing here? That's just bad business?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's so odd. And again, even
the great coaches have a hole. Belichick and personnel, offensive personnel.
He just couldn't do it last seven years. The proof's
in the pudding. Jerry Jones, smart guy, vanity and ego.
It's his hole. You know, everybody's got one temperament for
Elon Musk bit of a hole. He found that out,
you know, dealing with our president. Everybody's got a hole,
(12:37):
no matter how smart they are. And I think Mike
tomlins Is he's unable to develop a run game to
allow his defense to win the time of possession battle.
You can't keep at Remember there's more injuries historically on
the defensive side than the offensive side. Defensive guys are
there to blow stuff up. I mean, that's what you
do is a defensive player pair on fire fast as
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you can blow stuff up. More defensive players get hurt
over a season and offensive players. And by the way,
as defensive players get older and expensive, they get hurt
more often. So the Steelers now were an old football
team on defense. TJ. Watt, Cam Hayward, thirty seven, Slay Ran.
They're an old defense. They're an expensive defense. And what's
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that mean when you can't develop a run game. By
the way, the guy they drafted not been impressive as camp,
not in camp, Najie Harris gone. So there's no indication
they have struggled to run the ball in camp. It's
going to be any different.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Yeah, they feel like a business, like a Kodak or Xerox.
They just don't see that you need to reboot or
reinvent yourself.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
We think it's a passing league. The top six rushing
teams last year in the NFL all made the playoffs.
Three of the top five teams in total defense last
year did not, So we know that defense isn't as
impactful as it used to be based on the rule changes.
But the great defense is almost all have something in common.
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Baltimore right Philadelphia, They have a complimentary run game to
keep the defense off the field. That's why the toush
push is so valuable to the defense. I mean they
could just they just convert third and fourth downs. That
is another four to five minutes of real time your
defense can be resting. Yeah, you want your defense to
(14:23):
go to the sideline, go to the iPad. What do
we do wrong? Get a gatorade, smelling salts and yeah,
and then come out hair on fire.
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and everybody's terrified of the Dodgers. It's Freddie Freeman, Molkie, Bets,
Shoho Tani, unlimited resources, unlimited money, La economy. I'll watch out.
They just got swept by the Angels. Swept. The hottest
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team in baseball now is the Milwaukee Brewers. The Blue Jays,
in a division with the Yankees and Red Sox, are
leading handily. The Dodgers, Mets, and Yankees are all struggling
in the have now three highest payrolls all fallen out
of first place. Baseball has not had a repeat champions
since the Yankees in ninety nine and two thousand and
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outside of the COVID year, the Dodger have been out
spending almost everybody in baseball for over a decade, and
they've got one World Series title. Yet. The salary cap
hard NFL. The hard cap in the NFL. Right, No
dynasties have been dominated. That league's been dominated for twenty
five years by the Patriots, Bill Belichick, Brady Andy Reid, Chiefs,
(16:21):
Patrick Mahomes dominated dominated and college sports you know, which
until recently didn't really pay players, has always had dynasties.
So I keep looking at the last eleven World Series champs. Yeah,
the Dodgers have a couple, one of them COVID. But
I see, you know, I see the Nats, and I
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see the Giants, and I see the Royals and the
Astros and the Rangers and the Braves and the I
don't see the Yankees and so, and I go up.
And if you're listening on radio, Dodgers, Rangers, Astros, Braves, Gnats,
Red Sox, Astros, Cubs, Royals, Giants, no Yankees, no Mets.
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So and I know Rob Manfred would like to see
more parody among salaries. But Cincinnati is not Los Angeles.
The economies aren't the same. If you want to contract
and get rid of Cincinnati, which I would not do. Okay, fine,
but every league has a bottom thirty percent. So does
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the Live and PGA Tour, So does every tennis tour,
So does college basketball college football. The same nine teams
have dominated college basketball my entire life. UCLA used to
be greater, they're still viable. The same eight college football
teams have dominated my entire life. The NBA just signed
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an eleven year, seventy six billion dollar deal. Sacramento has
never mattered. Revenue ratings never mattered. Memphis now doesn't matter.
Okase won the title. I'm not sure they matter. So this, literally,
this constant fear mongering of baseball is in an incredible
(18:07):
place right now. Dodgers are a mess, Yankees and Mets
falling out of first Brewers on fire, with their manager
eating in game pancakes he stuffs in his pockets. Look
at it, I mean, right now, look at the brands
in baseball. Look at the best records in baseball. I
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mean the Phillies, Dodgers, Cubs, Tigers, Mets, Yankees, Red Sox
probably make the playoffs. Those are great brands. The Brewers
may win it all. The Tiger's best staff may win
it all. So when I said this yesterday, there's even
in socialism countryes driven by socialism, regulated by socialism. They're hierarchies.
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You're never gonna have perfect parody if you put Cincinnati
in a league with a team from New York in
Los Angeles, generally speaking, especially in the NFL, who are
the best owners? Those are the organization winning titles. The
Celtics have had really good ownership most of my life.
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They're always viable. The Dodgers really good ownership, Nicks, Wizards
not really stop the fear mongering. Baseball is in a
great place. The Brewers are absolutely on fire, and the
Dodgers are a mess. And here's Dave Roberts after getting
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swept by the Angels.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Now it's a new season, so you know, you look
at the standings and.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
We got to play better baseball and find ways to
win games.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
If you go to club soccer Barcelona, Real, Madrid, Man City,
you go anywhere on the globe, go to the German
Soccer League, the French League, you go to English Premier League.
They're always relegating the same teams. It's it's just, it's
just the way it is. I watched Tiger Woods do
(20:10):
it in golf for ten years, fifteen years. I watched
Jack to it for fifteen before then. So you know,
watching the Dodgers get swept by the Angels, which should
never happen, but it did. It's baseball. J Mack with the.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
News, No, no turn on the news. This is the
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Speaker 6 (20:31):
All right, Colin, let's pivot to the NFL and the
Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Listen, Jerry Jones keeps them in the news. What can
we say?
Speaker 6 (20:37):
Micah Parsons situation remains unsolved as they have their final
padded practice at Oxnard yesterday. Parsons has not spoken to
the media since the first day of camp on July
twenty second, so we're building in in a month and
Jerry Jones did not have much of an update.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Get a load of this, Colin.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
What's preventing you guys from talking right now?
Speaker 8 (20:58):
Again?
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (21:01):
The uh really nothing. We might or might not talk,
and the rest of that gets in what we do
every day.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
Is there a deadline to know whether Michael Parsons plans
to play in week one or not?
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (21:18):
No, not at all. You don't have deadlines when you're
playing under a contract.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
Very interesting, you don't have deadlines when you're playing under
a contracts like a shot.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
That's a shot at Michael.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Well, no, that's the truth.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Oh stop it, Colin, that's not technically, yes, that is
the truth.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Oh technically, well, contracts are technical.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Hey, I'll give you a jaywalking ticket.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
Okay, technically is not a big deal, but technically jaywalking, I.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Would have to pay the ticket or it would compound
in interest, that's payment.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
So Michael yourson's could theoretically sit out the season.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Theoretically he could, but he would not get paid and
he would get fined because there's a contract with a
CBA that does allow that. So contractually, Jerry is right,
there is no deadline. You've got a year left on
your contract. Jerry's on, you don't have to like this,
but there is no rule that I have to pay
you a year early. No, that is when you're getting
increasingly banged up. You're not practicing. I do not have
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to pay you a year.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
Wait, hold on, do you think that they're not paying
him because you're he's increasingly banged up and all that.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I think there's a lot of factors, and one of
them is why aren't you practicing?
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Get my new contract?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Everybody in my every I have to do what the
Mariners do? I have to do? Why do I have
to do what poorly run teams do?
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Sure, you don't have to.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
You could send a signal to other free agents that
this is how we do business.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
And do you think those free agents are going to
want to get in bed with you? Nobody's winning this
league because of free agents. They're winning it because of
quarterback play, drafting in a develop Free agency has never
equaled Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
The Philadelphia Eagles just added an all Pro linebacker and
Zach Gone and Sigwe Markley and won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
They won the Super Bowl because their offensive line all
drafted into developed outside of McKay, Beckton is all theirs all.
They did not win a Super Bowl because at Sagwon Barkley.
He added to the deepest roster by a mile in
the league. Derrick Henry made the Ravens interesting. They were
great before he got there. They were winning games. Nobody's
winning the Super Bowl to free agency. This threat, if
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you don't treat Damon Damian Lillard good for the Blazers,
no player will ever go to Portland. Nonsense. If I
call your agent and say here's three hundred million, you're
going to the Blazers. That is a threat that agents
have made forever. It doesn't hold water at all. Players
as they should be, are selfish and worried about themselves
and their family. Free agency is never in the NFL
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equal championships. In fact, I could argue the opposite has happened.
Teams that overspend and it ruined chemistry. It's like the
nil the transfer portal. Usc LSU Colorado are using it
a ton. Notre Dame's not, and they're winning more football.
Get Clemson's not. They have a top three team. So
this idea that, oh, they're not paying Micah, So what
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if they offered somebody else huge money, they would go
tomorrow to Dallas.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
I mean it seems unlikely they would offer someone else
huge money given they won't even pay Micah.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
I just think he's bungled this Colin. I know you
like to side with the millionaire owners if this is.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Not Cincinnati, where they don't where they struggle with every contract.
The Cowboys have made Dak the highest paid quarterback before
and made Ceedee Lamb. How's that working out? Well, that's
not the point. Stay on your point. They pay people,
they're not paying Micah. They overpaid for that linebacker from
Notre Dame coming off an injury. I forget the name
j Jalen Smith. They paid him too much, Dak. I
(24:40):
think they paid too much, Ceedee Lamb. They paid him
about right. They paid people all they paid DeMarcus Lawrence,
They've paid all sorts. They paid Zach Martin for years.
Tyron Smith for you, cowboys have never They've never been cheap.
In fact, I'd argue they should pay earlier and then
they don't have to wait and pay as much as
they do. But Micah is a rare. We're not paying this.
(25:03):
Jerry doesn't do this. Is Cincinnati does this annually. The
Chargers used to do this annually. This is not what
Jerry does annually.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
Yeah, So getting to the root of why he's dug
in his heels for Micah Parsons is strange. I mean,
he did this with Dak. It did not work out well.
They signed him to a huge deal. How many what
do you have to show for it? And now he's
waited for Micah and it's like every.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Day he's in front of fifty microphones.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
If Micah sits out the year and comes back, he
still has to play under the contract with a year left,
so all the leverage is with Jerry, Jones and Dallas.
He's getting increasingly hurt. He hasn't done anything in the playoffs.
Edge rushers are much more replaceable than quarterbacks. That's why
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you pay Dak. I've told you before, if I had
to pay three players on a team, it would be quarterback,
left tackle. There's an argument in twenty twenty five, third
should be a weapon. A Poka Amarante. There's the only
defensive player. I will absolutely move the Brinks truck over.
Is for a dominant interior D lineman. Chris Jones, Aaron Donald,
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A Reggie White, a Jalen Carter. That body type is
you know, getting a guy that's sixty one three point
thirty with great feet is impossible. You can find ed
rushers now, Miles Garrett, I would pay. But a lot
of these guys on this list, you can find them
the market. College football delivers they have on an annual basis.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
By the ways, let's see playoffs. Last year.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
Steelers did not win, Browns didn't make it. Yeah, Texans
won to one. Crosby did not make it, Niners did
not make it, Jets did not make Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
So that I mean, listen, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
But you could have got one of these deals two
years ago for Mike guy.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
I'll just pay them early.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
All right.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
Let's move on to the Ravens. Colin Derrick Henry. Last season,
I did not know this. He had over nineteen hundred
yards rushing. They were Dereck Henry and Lamark combined one
of the most prolific quarterback running duos in NFL history.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
They come by for over twenty eight hundred yards.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
Henry said joining Lamar and the Ravens was even better
than expected, adding things were electric. That's a good free
agent move for the Ravens. But she a little short
in the put. Yeah, Dallas could have had him probably, No.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
No, we preached on this show for a year before.
We're like, go get Derrick Henry. You can get him
for cheap, and the Ravens did. That's why the Ravens
are perpetually good. Owner Steve Bushatti in the executive suite
and John Harbaugh like they all work in unison. Derrick
Henry was a Steve I didn't think it would be
this good. I thought he was so physical. I figured
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there'd be some erosion or regression. He has been unbelievable.
It may happen next year, Colin. I looked historically, when
he has a lot of carries, like over three hundred
and twenty five, the next year there's some pullback.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
I will say, can you remind me.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
The last time you saw Steve Bushatti, the owner of
the Ravens at training camp, fielding questions from the media.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Do you remember when that was?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
You know what's funny about Steve Bushatti is he really
does pull all the levers there, but.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Hily behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Yeah, for a show there are I don't know if
there's another owner in the NFL, and I'm serious that
has more of a say on draft Day than Steve Bushati.
Steve Bushatti is all over the Ravens, but he doesn't
He's not driven by vanity. He's a great boss, one
of the really good billionaires in this league. I've talked
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to multiple people in the league that say he's the
best owner in the league.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Even during the Lamar remember two years ago Lamar, he
said out of it, MA was his mom.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Was like negotiating.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
Bushati wasn't involved and giving us weekly updates.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
I know he was involved, but he hides exactly.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
Jerry take notes. Final story Colin Eagles Brown's joint practices
this week ahead of the preseason matchup Saturday. How about
this moment Shader Sanders approached Jalen Hurts and the two
went for a ride in a golf cart.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Here's what they had to Here's what Hurt said about
their chat.
Speaker 9 (28:59):
There's a sense of obligation to be yourself and that's
who I am to you know, be honest and genuine
and expressing how how I got to where I am today. Ultimately,
it takes a great deal of patience and hard work
and the sense of resilience.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
You know, you gotta want it.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
You know you gotta want it.
Speaker 9 (29:17):
And so I'm supporting him from where I am and
I wish I have none but the best of his opportunities.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Good guy to learn from.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
Yeah, Chaduor hopefully was taking notes there. I like that
Jalen Hurts such a such a leader, you know, calling in.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
That quarterback tiers list. I don't think they have a.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Leadership quotion where it's like gives a golf cart ride
to a fifth round pick who's been maligned by the media.
Another thing Jalen Hurts has in his back pocket that
I love.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Now he's twenty seven doing on forty seven j Mack
with the news, Well.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the heard
Line News.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
It's always better to start out as a tough parent
and then lighting up, because if you start out as
ice cream for breakfast, dad, your kids won't take you seriously.
And one NFL team at a practice yesterday, a joint
practice that is being called a disaster. A disaster ice
(30:17):
scream for breakfast a dad is unraveling in Miami. We'll
talk about that. Man.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
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Speaker 6 (30:31):
Saturday, it's Baseball Night in America. As a MVP front runner,
Aaron Judge leads the Yankees against the Cardinals, or the
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on thoughts.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
So when Tom Coughlin coach the New York Giants, he
came in hot. He had been coaching at college. He
goes to Jacksonville. He goes to the Giants and he
was intense, and eventually the owner sat him down and said,
you gotta lighten up a little bit. You know, the
player counsels like, coach, you got lighted up a little bit.
He did, and they won super Bowls. But it's okay
because he's still he was always accountable. When he was
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a task master or he lightened up, he was still
holding people accountable. But I find this with parents managers
that I've had in my career. You can't come in
soft and then become tough guy. Everybody rolls their eyes
and it's this is what I've said. The media chooses
who they like and don't like. They didn't like Brian Flores.
He didn't give you any access. Like Urban Meyer in college,
(31:32):
even though he was winning games, he wouldn't give you
any access. And so the media is like, oh, we
don't like that guy, we don't like that person. Pete
Carroll give you a bunch of access at US See.
Everybody loved him, and so I think with Brian Flores,
he goes into Miami. This is the coach before Mike mcdonne.
He goes into Miami, no access, He's tough on everybody,
(31:56):
and he breaks down the culture. First eight weeks he
just breaks it down the goe. From that point forward
until he was fired, they were something. They were five
and four, bottom five penalized team in the league with
upgraded special teams. Okay, Mike McDaniel not a guy that
(32:17):
holds people accountable, fun loving, the snarky hipster. They're a
top five penalized team since he's been a coach of
the Dolphins. Brian floor is a bottom five penalized team.
Why accountability, which is something now Mike McDaniel is stressing.
So yesterday the Dolphins had a practice with the Lions.
The quote here is it was as lobsided a joint
(32:39):
NFL practice as I've ever seen. Apparently Tua got banged up,
Zach Wilson got banged up. A linebacker for the Lions.
Grant Steward said, I don't even know if they practice
how we practice. But again, you can't be a bull
(32:59):
of jello. That's what Miami is a lot of movement,
no meat in the sandwich. Brian Flores was rough, he
didn't treat everybody well. He has grown since then and
I think remains the best defensive coordinator in the league,
top two. He inspects. But Miami was something by like
week nine on. They didn't commit penalties, they took the
(33:21):
ball away, the special teams were buttoned up. You didn't
have to love him. He didn't get along with Tua,
but they were something. And that's why I say, with
Miami and Mike McDaniel, what are they? I don't know
what they are? And again I understand it takes a
while to break down the culture, but I would argue
today Miami doesn't even have a culture, and it all
starts with lack of accountability. And that's why Brian Flores
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came in hot. He probably should have lightened up. He
now has in Minnesota, but I would hire Brian Flores.
Mike McDaniels came in as everybody's friend, and now he's
trying to create accountability and it's hard. And that's not
a shot at Mike. It's hard. Jason Garrett in Dallas
tried to do that and people just didn't buy it
(34:08):
because he was everybody's, you know, the clapper. He was
everybody's buddy. It was hard. Wade Phillips in his career
is a really likable guy. It's hard to buy in.
He's a task master. Harbaugh can come in hot to Stanford,
San Francisco, Michigan, comes in hot and then can lighten
up and be more joyful. I mean, at the end
(34:28):
in Michigan, Harbaugh was a lot of fun. And so
here's Mike McDaniel on the Lions player that said, I
don't even know if they practice like we do. Literally
does not affect me whatsoever. I think there's a.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
Lot of a lot of noise, and I would file
that into the noise category.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Well it's noise, but it's not necessarily there's some validation.
The noise is just a comment, that's right, Okay. So
Taylor Swift went on the Travis Kelsey podcast. It's called
New Heights. It's the Kelsey Brothers. It's very popular and
(35:12):
people got really worked out last year and it was
really ridiculous. So she would be on Chiefs games, she
would be on TV and whoever was airing the Chiefs game,
which they were on every network. They played every day
but Tuesday last year, so people would get worked up
over it, which I called him out because if you
looked at the time she was on screen, it was
like thirty four seconds per game. I mean, they networks
(35:34):
would show her, obviously as the world's biggest pop star,
just like they would show, you know, a Spice girl
married the David Beckham, you know if Beckham was playing.
I mean, Derek Jeter didn't get married, but Derek Jeter,
he had a very fruitful life as a Yankee. This
is we live in this world. Now, celebrities get celebrities,
(35:54):
but Here was Taylor Swift. She is it sounds real
here you got to give her. I know some of
you guys aren't comfortable with this because she's on screen
for thirty four seconds. And I would argue, celebrities get celebrities.
They get the intensity, they get the nonsense. You know,
they get people taking pictures constantly, like I get it.
They get each other. Here is her talking actually about football.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
I fell in love with it. I became obsessed with it.
Speaker 10 (36:21):
I became like a person who was running through the
halls of my house screaming.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
We Drafteda if you're worthy? And I wasn't so like,
what is who body snatched you?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
This is? This is?
Speaker 10 (36:34):
What do you mean that we're talking about cover two,
Cover four, Cover zero, man cover. We're talking, we're learning.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yes, and so it's okay, we're all going to be okay.
She's going to be shown for thirty four seconds. Travis
Kelsey's retiring after the year. But you know I've heard
this a while. They're using each other. Well, I would
argue they get each other. That Travis Kelcey is Saturday
Night Live, He's on GQ, MAGA. He was already popular
because he was so great in football. He's good looking,
(37:03):
he's got a great person. It's not like he hosted
Saturday Night Live before Taylor Swift. I mean he was
a very popular guy. He was Mahomes's biggest ally on
the offense. It's not like he wasn't big. But I
will say I've been a little shocked at how myopic
and rigid sports fans have been with us. David Beckham
(37:24):
married a spice girl, Derek Jeter had celebrity girlfriends, Russell
Wilson's Mary to a singer. Folks, it's hard for Taylor Swift,
the world's biggest musical act. In fact, not only that
I read just two days ago on Apple Watch, she
has pulled away from the rest of the industry. Who
do you want her to date? Got the true value
(37:45):
hardware store. I mean, let's be serious here, Celebrities get celebrities.
I mean, Justin Berlander, didn't he marry Kate Upton? The Supermode?
So just ask yourself, were you bothered by Derek or
Russell Wilson or David Beckham. I think a lot of
this is we as Americans are very tribal about our football.
(38:08):
But this idea that networks can't show Taylor Swift for
thirty four seconds. Folks, do you realize there's twelve and
a half minutes of football in a four hour broadcast.
They're showing you a lot that is non football. I've
seen every male in Buffalo jump off their mini van
onto a table on a pregame show that you can
(38:30):
cut back. I'm done seeing that. I'm done seeing cheesehead guy.
That is a cliche. I'm done with. I can live
with a thirty four seconds. By the way, Aaron Rodgers,
who has a mysterious wife, has twice dated celebrities. This
is just like the way it's going to. There are
in America athletes. There are royal family in the UK,
(38:55):
you have a royal family. You have princes in Monaco.
Right in America, our royal family are superstar athletes and
you know movie stars. That's our royal family. Here was
more Taylor on the new influx of female fans to football.
Speaker 10 (39:14):
A lot of the women and girls they maybe they
like watched one game to see me each year on
my boyfriend or whatever. But if they stayed, which is
what people are saying based on the numbers, that the
game is so great and it's such an amazing interesting
thing to learn about.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Yeah, it's great on television. I mean, it's the reason
the Netflix, Amazon, Primes, the Hulus, the paramounts, the reason
these companies do well good content. It's not because we
like paying our Netflix bill every month. They offer really
good documentaries and it's the best actors and the best
(39:53):
writers and the best directors and producers. And that's what
the NFL is. The NFL is great content. Baseball can
be slow. There's not a lot of urgency with the
NBA season.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
It's long.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Soccer's over on Apple TV. I'm not paying for that.
The NFL's great content. Sorry, j Mac didn't mean to
take a shot, would you. I mean, let me ask
you this. Nobody complained about the obligatory and relentless shots
of Fireman ed for thirty years. We can't be bothered
by thirty four seconds of Taylor Swift Fireman Ed. I
(40:27):
am over that one. I'm over. I kind of look
forward to the Taylor Swift six second shot four times
a game.
Speaker 6 (40:34):
Yeah, I will say the whole Taylor Swift running around
screaming we got Xavier Worthy.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
That's pretty cool now.
Speaker 6 (40:39):
I know in my house, I can hype the Jets
with our draft picks.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
But my family's not all excited.
Speaker 6 (40:45):
I like the Taylor Swifts bought in and talking about
cover two, cover three, Man, like, that's kind of cool.
I don't know, I'm impressed. I mean, I assume ann
run circles around the family room. No, when you announce
USC just signed the five star offensive None. No.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
And I do think this is genuine and authentic. Is
that I think when you're young. I mean, my daughter
likes sports more than my son. She's willing to go.
She goes to MLS games all the time in Nashville,
So I think it's authentic. I don't buy their using
each other. I would they speak that celeb language. I
think they get each other. I think it's hard to
(41:20):
be a celebrity. Celebrities and never made more in America
I happen to. I mean, of the twelve homes, I'm
sure Taylor Swift owns. I know where one of them's at.
And people sit on the beach and take pictures of
her home. It's like a it's a trend. It's what
people do all summer long. Who are you going to date?
Who are you going to be around?
Speaker 4 (41:38):
You know?
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Yeah, congrats to the Kelsey's on that all right, Greg
Cosel's around the corner on a Thursday. I can't wait.
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