August 15, 2025 • 42 mins
Doug Gottlieb, in for Colin, reacts to the details released on NCAA's punishment for Michigan related to their sign-stealing scandal. Former NFL WR TJ Houshmandzadeh joins Doug to explain why he thinks Shedeur Sanders' attitude is good for his future in the league. Plus, is it time for the Rams to panic over Matt Stafford's injury?
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
What up?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Welcome in. This is of the Herd. Wherever you may
be and however you may be making this part of
your day. Thanks so much. I'm jug gottlie in for
your boy, Colin Cowherd, and for the next couple of hours,
I want to talk sports with you. This is weird, right,
So Colin moved to the Midwest following me. Right, let's
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just be honest. I followed him to Fox to where
I grew up in southern California. Then he follows me
to the Midwest. But now I'm in California and I
ease in parts unknown. Right, Hey, this is just the thing.
I have to state this because it's true. Obviously, Colin
I for years have gone back and forth about the
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hat backwards thing that he has, right, But here's my thing.
I'm gonna state this because I know it to be true.
A lot of you saw our Boycoin Cowherd at live
golf last weekend. Right, Okay, can we get together and
form some sort of petition or have some sort of
on air teaching Colin how to wear a hat, because
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if you're going to criticize others for wearing their hat
backwards and how it looks, that's fine, then I'm going
to criticize you for not understanding the basics of how
to wear a ball cap, which is you don't put
it on top of your hair so that your hair
is still showing. That's not ball cap, wearing one on
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one everybody. And when you wear it that way, much
like he believes you have your hat backwards, you wear
it that way, it gives off the perception of you're
trying to be a younger bro. It's not actually try.
I disagree, but again he's talking about perception. I'm telling you,
the perception is that guy's never played a sport in
his life, definitely never played baseball. If he doesn't know
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how to wear a ball cap, is that fair?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
So I just I wanted I was waiting for this day,
maybe the last day fill in for Colin very possible. Okay,
I love my boy, but I saw him last week
and I was like, can middlekough middle cooff doesn't have
this because he has no hair? Right, he fired it
before quit on him. I got it. Colin has great hair.
That's real hair. He's got there. There's no implans, no nothing,
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that's a real, real mop And he's been living on
this hat backwards thing. He got the Cowboys coach turning
his hat around. That really happened this year. Great mission accomplished,
Colin Cowhert. Dude, what are you doing? All right, Let's
get to the story of the day Michigan was levied
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fines and suspensions. And look, I don't know if this
comes to be. And the reason I say that is
I'm actually a coach for Wisconsin Green Bay, which Division
one program. We are under you know, NCAA rules and regulations,
just like anybody else. And what I have come to
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learn first observing as a basketball analyst and a radio
show host and a TV yaker, and now I know
is the general thought in college athletics of the NCAA
and the NCAA is not some d'arconian organization made it
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out to be it's just the conglomerate of schools, and
you know, it's like being mad at cong Risk when
there's actually you know, every state has the right to
vote their rights. They vote their opinions for their constituents.
And you just say I don't like Congress. Well yeah,
well there's fifty states, so you don't like the individual representatives.
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These are the individual schools.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
But there is.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
The Board of infractions.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Right.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
The general thought from most people is no matter what
rules the NCAA comes up with, if you sue, they'll lose.
Now here's where the NCAA has gotten smart over the
past couple of years. The new rules and regulations in
terms of roster limitations and this opt in that our
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program is a part of. In most college athletic programs
outside the Ivy League are a part of. All of
these rules supposedly are lawsuit proof, right, there's a reason
that they're put in place. They feel like their lawsuit
proof and they'll stabilize things for the next couple of
years dream scenario, maybe even ten years of some form
of stabilization. So I say that because when I read
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to you what Michigan's been punished, just understand that very
likely that Michigan appeals, ensues and tries to get out
of it. Right, Okay, So I don't need to go
through what they were doing with the signs, deealing. I
can only tell you that in my opinion without seeing
how much Jim Harbaugh knew. It's one of those Hey,
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I don't care you're doing advanced scouting, give me the calls,
get them for me. Give me the calls. And when
you're running a program as big as Michigan in my program,
you know my email right now? I have to It's
I have to do every I'm a CEO. I have
to worry about every little different department and oh yeah,
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by the way, much like Doge, what can we cut,
what can we keep? How little can we spend to
get the most out of it because we have to
compensate the student athlete. Now, but I'm gonna commend the NCAA. Look,
do I think this was a dog and pony show?
I do? Do I think was that this was? Do
I think there's another Connor Stallions out there? I'm not sure.
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I don't know. I do know that every college program,
basketball or football tries to figure out what the signs
are for the other for the other team, and that's
what you do.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
What you do it.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
You're not allowed unless you're playing in a tournament in basketball,
to scout in person. So you watch on video and
if they pull on their ear, if they tug on
their jersey, if they tap their head, you try and
figure out what exactly the set is, what exactly they're doing,
so you know what's coming. And if you can't pick
it up on video or I if you can, you
call somebody who's played them, because every coach has an
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assistant or a manager that's sitting on their bench. And
when you say, hey, that's earpool, Earpool, write that down, Earpool,
what is it?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Then you go in at halftime and you make sure
that you have it listed. So if they pull out
their ear in the second half, this is what they're doing.
And usually you know beforehand because you've talked to coaches
that have coached against them, because they keep a running
tab of what they're calling and how it coincides with
what they're doing on the floor. Makes sense. Okay, So
my point is I'm not excusing the behavior of Michigan.
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I'm just telling you that everybody on some former fashion
does it feels like they overdid it and they got
caught and then they won. But once they started winning,
they probably they didn't have this brogram in place and
they were in people's heads. And oh yeah, by the way,
if you didn't know signs stealing took place, why do
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you have three different people putting the signs out? Because
two are fake signs? Right, you know they're looking, so
let's not act like you're surprised that there's somebody in
the stands or some video camera trying to get it.
That was Bill Belichick's entire argument. Right, we film the game,
they're running in signs at the game. Why can't we
just film the sideline and then what it coincides with
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on the field. The big question for Belichick was were
they filming practice? That, of course, is a no no.
And most coaches are incredibly paranoid. If they say a
video camera running when they're in an empty gym or
an empty stadium, Okay, they'll freak out. They'll have somebody
go put a towel over it or whatever they do.
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I mean, heck, if you played youth football and I
did you know this right before the game, you'll be
running through plays. What do you do with the players
who aren't involved? You line them up so that the
other coach can't look down and see what you're doing. Right,
And every high school football coach college football coach has
been paranoid for years at practice, at covering up what
you're doing. You know, high school coaches, especially making sure
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there's empty stadiums when they're running through their game plan
for the next day. So let's not act like we're
surprised if this happens, or that Michigan's the only one
doing it. They got caught doing it at a higher
level and then ultimately succeeding while doing it. Here's the punishment.
Four years of probation, financial penalties, A fifty thousand dollars
fine plus ten percent of the budget of the football program,
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an equivalent to the anticipated loss of all postseason competition
revenue sharing associated with the twenty twenty five twenty twenty
six football seasons. A fine equivalent to the cost of
ten percent of scholarships awarded to Michigan's football programs in
the twenty five to twenty six academic year. A twenty
five percent reduction official football visits in twenty five to
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twenty six, a fourteen week probation recruiting communications in the
football program during the probation period, and then Connor Stallion's
eight year show cause. Harbaugh, you knew he had a
ten year show cause. Denard Robinson wasn't he shoelaces, wasn't
his nickname when he played our shoe strings when he
played there as quarterback? Three year show cause, restricted from
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all athletically related activities. That's a big one. That means
he can't really coach in college football. Whereas the show
cause means you have to show cause for hiring somebody.
It doesn't mean you can't coach. You can't get the job.
You have to just go through an infractions committee and
say you're sorry and say you've improved. It's much like
the probation department, you know, when you're trying to remember
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the start of Shawshank redemption, where you have to say
that you're a changed man type deal. And then Sharon
Moore got a two year show cause, but he's still
the head coach, so that doesn't matter. And he suspended
a total of three games. Michigan imposed a two game
suspension for this year. The panel says he's got to
be suspended one additional game. Do you want to know why?
It's an awesome punishment because it hits them in the wallet.
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They're not taking down a banner that we know they
earned and that you can't.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Do.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
You guys, remember Men in Black? Right, remember the little
silver thing that Will Smith or Tommy Lee Jones would
hold up and press it, and everybody's memory would be
a race. Your short term memories is zapped. Like don't
you wish that occurred in life? Would that'd be so cool?
You're like in an argument with your girlfriend, your wife,
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and you're just like two, Like what we're even argue about?
I don't know, mabe, how you doing right? Reset? Well,
the that's called a neuralizer. Don't ask me how I know?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
O gay.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Men in Black called it a neuralizer. There is no
neuralizer where we can hit the button. And Louisville's twenty
thirteen NCAA Championship is a race for our memory banks.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Right.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
We all saw it. We saw Trey Burke cleanly blocked
Peyton Siva. It didn't get called as a clean block.
It changed the momentum of that game. And Rick Patino's
Louisville Cardinal. Hey, Luke Hancock and the boys end up
winning a national championship. That's a real thing. Banner, no banner.
Nobody's giving back their rings. Nobody's saying I'm not an
NCAA champion. That's just dumb. How do you really punish
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a university? And the answer is you take the money,
right and who does this ultimately hurt? That's a lot
of money. Ten percent of the budget of the football
program at the University of Michigan. Okay, we calculating coaches
salaries in the budget, yep. We calculate a recruiting budget, yep.
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Are we calculating rev share in that budget? I don't
know that it's going to be a lot of money. Now,
I'm guessing Minisum Michigan will appeal and they'll probably sue
because it's a lot of money. And as much as
lawyer fees are a lot of money, I just ten
percent of scholarships a word a Michigan football program. Okay,
So what is an eighty thousand dollars scholarship a year?
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Nine ten percent is eight grand eight grand times? What
do you have? One hundred and five? Now in college football,
you do the math. That's a lot of money. That's
just the eight hundred or so grand plus you got
to take what you were going to get. And you're like, well,
what if they didn't make the postseason? And know what
they're talking about is everyone in your league gets a
portion of the postseason revenue. You get I believe two
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shares if you play, and then if you win, you
get additional shares of it. So that's a lot of money.
Now they didn't and I apparently can't take the TV revenue.
They can't take the in stadium revenue right where you're
making probably I don't know Michigan one hundred thousand people.
I can only estimate between one hundred and one hundred
and fifty million dollars per year from in stadium revenue.
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So they'll be fine, don't get me wrong, but taking
away the money is the only way to truly, truly
punish college sports programs because it is all about the money. Now,
you want to know what hurts the most. I would
not want to be the coach of Michigan softball, Michigan baseball,
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swim and diving, right, I feel terrible for Michigan hockey,
women's basketball, because Dusty May. They raised a bunch of money.
They got a squad. I know they wanted to play
us who don't want to play us? And we're like,
I don't really want to get forty piece by Michigan.
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No thanks, not into that. They got a squad there.
I don't know what their budget is. Probably ten million
dollars right, maybe maybe more fifteen I don't know. They
have a top ten program. They're awesome, right, and they
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already have the contracts for their roster of football players. Right,
those contracts are done, they have to pay those players,
and I'm guessing it's somewhere in the twenty twenty five
million dollar range overall with salaries, right, because Ohio State
was they won the national championship. Everybody said they were
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kind of top of the top of the heap in
the low twenties twenty million, So you got to calculate one,
every Michigan's going to try and get to that level,
and then two there's some sort of inflation. Can we
say twenty five million?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Right?
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Then you got a factor in the coaching staff you're
talking about. I don't know, somewhere in the fifty million
dollar variety they have to be you have to be
competitive in football, you have to be competitive in basketball
because that's where you make your money. So what I
love is that they hit him where it hurts. Again,
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I'm not saying I agree or disagree with that. I
don't know all the facts in the case, and I
don't have the time to kind of delineate how big
a deal this actually is. I do think that this
is kind of classic NCAA and it's like anything else,
like you know, supposedly this is Ohio State fans finding
this out, turning them in. We saw what likely Texas
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fans did to John Mattier this week. It's like you
allowing fans to matter is a mistake in litigating something
like this, in my opinion, allowing them to be whistleblowers
and oh my gosh, gotcha, because what that does is
now Michigan fans are going to have their cell phones
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on and try and find Ohio State guys. And you know,
there's all this, you know, all this back and forth.
But whatever, they did a lengthy investigation, this is what
they found out. And for years it was scholarship productions,
right and taking down banners. Well, you can't take away
scholarships now, because if you take away a player's scholarship,
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you say, hey, instead of I think it's one hundred
and five, I'm sorry, we don't have a football program.
I don't care about those numbers that used to be
eighty five. And what they've done is they've done instead
of scholarship limitations, it's roster limitations, it's roster limitations. And
again we were told that the reason they did roster limitations,
says scholarship limitations is their lawsuit proof that this is
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what This is how sports can survive lawsuits. Where you're
not cutting scholarships, you're simply cutting roster spots. That's all
you can have. You can do. Every spot can be
a scholarship, or half of them can be scholarships, or
none of it can be spot. You can do whatever
you want within your own domain. If you opted in,
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and Michigan of course opted in. I'm Doug Gottliebin for Colin.
This is the hurt Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app. What
you need to know is what you need to know
is Michigan got hit what it hurts right, got hit
where it hurts in the wallet, in the wallet. And
if you ask any Michigan coach or administrator. Okay, four years,
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they felt like, despite the fact we're Michigan, uh that
the hardest part for them was raising the money and
getting up to the level of Ohio State, because Ohio
State has never cared about anything other than how can
we put the best team on the field. Michigan liked
to have the academic repute. Well, how State just want
to win championsip pips. Ohio States run fast and loose
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with rules for a lifetime, especially in the football side. Okay,
I'm guessing probably Michigan did too, only they like Notre Dame,
like to feel like they're academically above it. They finally
got to the level of full investment from the university
on the football program, and now they're losing what ten
percent of their budget and all of their posts what
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would have been postseason revenue. And my guess is what
that hurts most is all the Olympic sports, the ones
that you don't hear about. Olympic sports are picked, the
one you don't soccer, hockey, track and field, lacrosse, any
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of those ones their budgets chopped, and what you do
is then you move it over cleverly to Michigan Football. Well,
you can't. We cut the budget. There's always ways, always ways.
What do I know? I just worked for ancient institution.
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now in the Herd on Fox Sports Radio. Who'shu shud
or Sanders So the good is after the first couple series,
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look good, you know, look confident, deliver the ball with accuracy,
move well in the pocket. Like I'm not going to
sit here and tell you I know the quarterback position
like you do or like coaches do. But look, it
wasn't like he didn't look like he belonged out there.
He looked really good. But that's first preseason game. It's
not with the ones. It's not against the ones. And
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there's a lot of quarterbacks that have looked good, that
are young, that are inexperienced, and that are not starters.
What's your assessment of Shador at this point in time
and how he looks.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I thought he looked great, to be honest with you,
And you're right, he wasn't going against the ones. But
very rarely do we see a quarterback drafted in the
fifth round play this way in his first NFL game. Ever,
we haven't seen that. I don't know if we can
recall a quarterback that wasn't drafted in the first round
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playing like this his first game. Now, obviously we would
like to see how he would perform going again starters,
But when you watch that game, the touch, the anticipation
and he played on time. That translates now, maybe that
first touchdown throw in a back corner against the Ones.
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When he threw that ball, I was like, ooh, that's
a pick. Oh great throw. Maybe that's an incompletion. But
he just trusts himself so much. And when you play
with confidence like it sucks that he's not going to
be able to play this weekend because of his oblique injury,
because I would have liked the scene how he would
have looked tomorrow. But that was a first step in
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the right direction. He should be proud of himself. But
we know this playing sports. It's not what you did yesterday,
it's what can you do today and tomorrow and every
day moving forward.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Okay, so let's get into it for a second. I actually,
you know, it's interesting. I love the path that he
had playing college football from this perspective, and is he
went to a level that was honestly well below his
level of competency coming out of high school. Right he
was like a three four star or whatever, and you know,
he's recruited like Southern Miss level. So instead goes to
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Jackson State, obviously plays for his dad, but he gets
to start for two years. Then they jump up and
he gets to start for two years at Colorado and
because he's I mean, this is honestly, who should Maybe
this is a little bit too much in the Beltway,
you know, behind the curtain, but in recruiting at my
level and really kind of at any level, but at
my level, we don't necessarily want a power five kid
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transferring down because in order for a power five kid
to transfer down to our level, he'd likely didn't play.
So he doesn't have the confidence because he hasn't actually
done it before. And because he was at a higher level,
he thinks that he's better than he actually is because
our level is actually pretty darn good. Right, So he
did the reverse, which is what we try and do
in recruiting, which is, hey start at this level, kill it,
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and then go to the next level, get paid, but
also play against better competition. But you have confidence. And
we've recruited two D two kids that have supreme self
confidence because they were dominant Division two one, Division three player. Anyway,
point is he's confident, he's well rounded, he's seen lots
of different football because he's actually played it. But what
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everyone said was missing was really two things, right. It
was the the lack of engagement in those meetings, and
really it comes down to the feeling of entitlement. And
then two from a football perspective, it's does he have
a big time arm and is he a big time athlete?
Let's start with the entitlement piece. Does it as a
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pro as a vet shows up, got the entourage, got
a guy carry in his bag, somebody filming him, that's
part of who he is. Does that affect the locker
room at all?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
No, we got to understand who is this. It's a
new day and age man. These young kids or young men,
they've grown up in a influencer era. Everything that they
do they want to record it, they want to have
memories that they want to have everything on video. That's
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just what this generation is and we got to get
used to that. Like that, the arrogance, like people, Oh
he's cocky, he's arrogant. He he may have been, but
I promise you you want somebody with supreme confidence over
somebody that has no confidence.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
There's a middle there's a middle ground there, right. I mean,
look what they try to do. What they try to
do is they try to dictate where he was going.
And so that was a lesson learned.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Right like that, that was a lesson learned from them.
If that's what they try to do, that's a lesson learned.
But I promise you, I would rather you be cocky
then you have no confidence. Because the cockiness that many
perceived him to have, he was somewhat humble because of
what happened. I believe he's going to be a really
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good player because.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
He has that.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I can't be as cocky as I will if I'm
trying to control where I go and I go on
the fifth round. But I'm gonna be me and me
is uber confident, super belief in myself, and that goes
so fine. I think people forget that. Man, if you
don't have belief, you might as well give it up.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
You could not be more right.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
T J.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Huschman's out, a former Pro Bowl wide receiver joining us,
the wide receiver whisperer himself kind of to spend some
time here with us in the herd. That said, okay,
can you be I know it's a new era. I
would we could go back and forth on whether or
not it's a new era for quarterbacks with that, but
that's I know it's a new era. Can you be
that guy with a media social media entourage following and
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be a backup quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
No, now you if you're a young guy, if you're
a backup a year or two possibly, but you you
can be a career backup and have that. No, I
don't believe so. Now the entourage is his older brothers,
So is it really? I mean, that's a family member
that's doing the recording, is Dion Jr. And so it's
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tough to have an entourage and people recording you in
this camera that camera. When you aren't a starter, that
that is going to be tough. But once you become
a starter, you're gonna have to you're gonna have to
manage it. You can't. It can be over the top
all the time. You aren't going to have to manage it.
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Because now other players are gonna feel they can do
certain things that they've seen you do and they're not you.
And so it's a fine line that they're gonna have
to walk. But it's so far away. I don't mind
the video. Everybody is recording themselves. Whether they're gonna record themselves,
they're gonna go on live, They're gonna go on tickets,
whatever it is, or they're gonna have somebody do it,
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and it's done the right way, and he's just doing
it the right way instead of doing it himself.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Yeah, the only quarterback to be doing it. That's that's
that's there. The positional part of it is going to
be the interesting aspect.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
You've never seen a quarterback do these things.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
But hey, yeah, but he did it to be losing.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
No, no, no, no, I'm just sitting it like when
the quarterback has always been the god. It's kind of quiet.
He's going to lead, but he isn't doing these things.
But he's look, his father maybe the flashiest football player
to ever play ever changed and so he's been brand
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this way.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
I know, I listen, I got it. I just it's
like you said, you can't do it if you're a backup.
And now he's hurt, gives other guys an opportunity. Maybe
they've maybe they fall in their face. Like I think
he's more talented than Dylan Gabriel. I think most people
think that, but Dylan Gabriel personality wise, is a great backup.
But did you draft to guy in the third round
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to be a backup? I don't know. We'll we'll find out.
Let me ask you about Matt Stafford. So Sean McVay
comes out and says he's gonna do some throwing next week.
He was supposed to do some throwing this week. It's
it's what's the old Yogi bear expression, it's getting late early.
If you're should the Rams be freaking out over Matt Stafford,
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I'd be concerned.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
If you haven't, Yeah, you're Matt Stafford. Mat I met
Matthew Stafford when he was going into as sophomore year
at Georgia, so it's long ago. He was a great
throw out of football. Then he's still a great throw
at the football. Now. One thing he's gonna be able
to do is throw the football with great accuracy and
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great velocity. He it will concern me that he hasn't
practiced in training camp. That that that is concerning, especially
when you say, okay, last Saturday he threw sixty passes.
We'll see how he feels on Sunday the next day.
So if he felt good on Sunday, you at least
would have practiced on Tuesday. And so the still now
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practice shows me he didn't feel good the next morning.
Because if he felt good, he would have practiced, and
so it has to be concerning, like they can spend
it any way you want to spend it. If Matthew
Stafford isn't practicing, something is bothering him. And so if
I'm the rounds us concerning because the Rams are Super
Bowl contenders, but they aren't Super Bowl contenders that Matthew
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Stafford isn't under center.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Calum Williams did he play Doug.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I'll say this, and I've told people this. If Caleb
Williams does not have success, this won't go to the
coaching staff. We can't blame matt uber Flues and the
offensive coordinator Ben Johnson is proven. Ben Johnson resurrected Jared Goff.
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Ben Johnson had the number one offense in the league
every year he was in Detroit. They were top three,
four or five moving the ball up. And like we know,
Ben Johnson can get it done. If they don't have
this is all gonna be on Kayler Williams. Can he play?
I'm gonna say yes, but I don't know why you
didn't play the first game, Like it's a new system,
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very interesting, but I must say yes, Caleb Williams can play.
They have the weapons at the skill position. They reinforced
that offensive line through free agency, but I'm slightly concerned.
I'll say that who's.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Here the best man? We gotta catch up in person.
I appreciate you join us. Thanks for our guest in.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
The hurt, Doug. I appreciate you, man. Take care.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
That's my guy, TJ. Houshpinsat up for a Pro Bowl
wide receiver, the wide spear pro whisperers whisper joining us
in the herd. Let's get to Greg Tooey with the.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
News, no nor line news.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
Hello dugger, Hello Gregory. By the way, do people call
you coach now or do they call you Doug? Everybody
calls me coach because everybody I know who's a coach,
I call him coach.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Yes, everybody in Green Bay. It's all right, you coach.
It's the weirdest thing. Well, you got to do the
Green Bay and you got a quote a coach, he
coach coach PI. That's a little that was.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
That's pretty close though, No, No, that's too far to
Green Bay.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
I have been to Green Bay. Yeah, I've been to
a Wisconsin game football game. Oh you went to they
played this year? The years ago we did a remote area. Yeah,
next year they play Uh no, no, tra Dame at
at Lambeau. Yeah it was great. Madison's awesome.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
Madison green Bay, I'm sorry, yeah, green Bay. Yeah, but
Madison is Wisconsin. Yeah, yeah, so it's not green Bay. Yes, Douger.
We got a coach. Coach, we got a big series.
We have a big series in LA. This weekend in baseball,
the Dodgers and Padres facing off three game series at
Chavez Ravine. But now it's the Dodgers looking up in
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the NL West as they trail the Padres by a
game mid August Dog Days.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Here was Dave.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
Roberts this week on LA falling out of first place
after being swept on the Angels.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Where where we're at?
Speaker 3 (33:14):
We put ourselves in this spot. But no, I wouldn't
have expected to spit second place.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
Right now, the Dodgers were being billed by many as
being maybe the best team in baseball three stopping.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
There was a lot of that talk. There was there
was nurse.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
You know, when they lost their first game, people were like, oh,
they're not going to go one sixty two, and oh
how could they?
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Who are these people who thought they were team ever,
they're a lot. They're randos on social media. There don't
pay attention to randos social media. All right, whatever, injuries
in consistency have killed them this year. But how worried
are you about the Dodgers?
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Not?
Speaker 6 (33:54):
Are they still a lock to make the World Series?
Speaker 4 (33:56):
The you know, they never thought they were a locked,
but I mean, you still have to put them as
it's a favorite, assuming they get healthy. There's a lot
of people that didn't think they did enough at the
trade deadline, and you look at what's happened to them
before and since the trade deadline, and there's some legitimacy
to that. But if we if we dial back to
last year in the playoffs, Padres were up two games
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to one. Everybody thought they had him dead to rights
and it's talking a bunch of ish and the Dodgers
bounce back and win the series and then go on
and win the World Series. So I do think that
when they got six against the Padres out of the
next nine and the Rockies in the middle, yep, yeah,
look I would if you if you're anywhere below five
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hundred in these next six against the Padres and oh yeah,
by the way, you need to at least win two
out of three against the Rockies. So if you're a
couple over five hundred after the next week and a half,
then I think you take a breath. If not, like,
if it's an abject disaster, then they got swept by
the Angels, which part of it is one of the
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good stories in baseball is that the Angels are not terrible.
And I understand that we don't cover sports where like, hey,
they're mediocre, But if you're an Angel fan like I am,
you're like, they're mediocre, it's kind of awesome. And they're
getting closer too. You can see it. They're getting a
lot closer. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, point is I think
you got to feel like they've got to win at
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least five or six out of the next nine, and
then you can take a breath if you go like
two and seven, start sweating a little bit, all right.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
Wrapping up with this, cluh Terry McLaurin continues to be
a hold in at Commander's campus. He waits for a
new deal. This week Cliff's Kingsbury thero c. He's starting
to voice his frustrations without the offense is still a
worker in progress as we move closer and closer to
the regular season.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Yeah, I think that's a work in progress. There's no doubt.
Speaker 7 (35:46):
I don't think until we get some of these other
pieces back, we're going to know exactly what we are.
We've had some good opportunities to see other guys get
work and these positions. But when you don't have your
kind of projected top to outside receivers, you know, one
of your projected both of your projected inside pieces at guard,
it's not going to really give you the chance to
jail or really build that relationship until you get a
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vite off on the grass. So that's something we have
to get to over the next three weeks.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
I mean, I think it seems more likely than not
that Jaden Daniels is going to take some kind of
a step back this year. A lot of people don't
think so, but not having Terry McLaurin in camp isn't
helping matters. Daniels made people forget how great c. J.
Stroud was his rookie ear based on how good you
know Jayden was last year. But with every NFC team,
NFC East team game planning to slow him down, is
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it crazy to think that he won't be as good
as he was last year.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
No, I mean again, there's there's a there's a chance
there to, you know, a sophomore slump, if you will. First,
we all know Terry mclaurin's going to be there, right sure, Yeah,
it's gonna get this done la minute. He'll keeps him
out of keeps him out of camp. But I wouldn't
be concerned. They start the year right, Giants at home,
the game that they should win, right game, they should win.
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Everybody's healthy, they should be better and further along than
the Giants. And you know, Jane Danis at this point
in his career has a much greater trajectory than Russell
Wilson at this.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Point in his career.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Then they come to take on the Packers, and that's
a quick turnaroun. It's a Thursday night game right now.
The Packers will play the Lions and then they play
the Commanders. So they go Giants at home, Packers in
the road, Raiders at home. If you start two and
one like, you're good, So much of it's how you start,
and you start with will met them two home games
against two very likely non playoff teams. You got to
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feel good about yourself. If you're the Commanders, considering the
year that you came off, is it possible. Yeah. I
mean the reason that that division was how it was
was who they crossed over against. And this year, who
they cross over against, it's going to be a little
bit more difficult. They do have the Broncos, albeit at home.
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They do have the Dolphins, albeit at home. And it's
in November, so you got to feel like cold weather
that that helps you out. You do have to go
to the Chiefs, you have to go to the Chargers,
gotta go to the Falcons, gotta go the Packers, gotta
go the Vikings. So just some tough games. I think
what you're talking about is very honest, very real. Right
memory commander has played a last play schedule and now
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they don't, So I do think there'll be some leveling
of it. If he doesn't level off, then this guy's
a super still be Yeah, he'll be Yeah, that's the news.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Herd line and oh yeah, by the way, part of
the whole why Jaden Daniels was successful initially was he
had years and years of reps Arizona State into Florida
State where he had an unbelievable or into LSU, sorry
LSU where he won the Heisman Trophy. Right, that's a
guy that played a lot of college football. Is it
time to sound in the alarm? With the rams and
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the Matt Stafford issue. We'll discuss next in The Herd.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays
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Speaker 4 (39:00):
Doug Gotti be in four columnists The Herd, Fox Sports Radio,
I Heart Radio app. When's the proper time to freak out?
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Right?
Speaker 4 (39:09):
And I'll tell you it's because it's like I have
a lot of friends who are have their kids going
off to college, right, send their kids off to college,
and they're gonna be homesick. I remember when I was
the other day in like the first two weeks were
like a dream, Like there's no parents around, and when
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you first get there, it's like freshman orientation. You know,
it's just meeting chicks and getting numbers, right, That's that's all,
that's all it is. And you start you start like
all right, like possibles not possible. As you start recruiting whatever,
it was unbelievable Now I had traveled a lot as
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a kid playing basketball, so the traveling and my parents
didn't like take me there and drop me off and
set up my room and kissed me goodbye. They're like,
put me on a plane a foot to Chicago. My
dad had a guy who played for him who's a
big stock trader. He actually took me on the floor
of the exchange in Chicago and then like two days
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later drove me to South Bend and that was it
was bye bye, and I had a bag and that
was it. And then my parents came in on a
couple weekends in took me to Best Buy, bought a
couple of things and that was that. You know, got
the room fridge, I got a TV VCR combo, but
it was white and open, open box, right, But that
thing was money that lasted post college anyway. Nowadays, you know,
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especially with young women, you take him to school and
there's crying and then they're rushing for sororities and like
if you don't get picked for the sorority you want,
Like these women think like their life is going to end.
It was like, okay, the point is I put two
in college last year. Two girls are twins, okay, and
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the adjust and for both was different. At what point
do you freak out and go like, well, maybe this
is the wrong school for the kid, right, and when
you're from southern California, they all want to come home.
Why because it's it's the old Why Southern California so expensive?
You know what the answer is, because it's worth it.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Right.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
It is. I love where I live, I love what
I do. But I mean again, if I was a
rich person and I could live in southern California and
just chill you and have the lives that high school
kids have, because that's what they think. They think they
go back in their high school life right when they
don't have a lot of they just but that's not
the reality anyway. When do you freak out? When is
that moment? Is it week three? Is it week four? Hey?
Get through the first semester, because the truth is that
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it's the start of your second year. If you go
back to your sophomore year and you're like, this is
still not my place, that's probably really the time. First
year is really weird murky. For Matt Stafford, when's the
moment that we freak out about the back? I don't
think it's that big a thing that he couldn't after throwing.
Like that's what old men do, right. If you go
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out and play basketball and you haven't played basketball in
a month, you're going to be sore the next couple
of days. And so you don't keep playing basketball, keep
getting more sore, that's when you get hurt. Because like
we're a week away from freaking out of Man Stafford.
No freak out yet, no freak out yet. Wait to
hear what one college football coach said next, and the
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What up?
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Welcome in. This is of the Herd. Wherever you may
be and however you may be making this part of
your day. Thanks so much. I'm jug gottlie in for
your boy, Colin Cowherd, and for the next couple of hours,
I want to talk sports with you. This is weird, right,
So Colin moved to the Midwest following me. Right, let's
(00:50):
just be honest. I followed him to Fox to where
I grew up in southern California. Then he follows me
to the Midwest. But now I'm in California and I
ease in parts unknown. Right, Hey, this is just the thing.
I have to state this because it's true. Obviously, Colin
I for years have gone back and forth about the
(01:12):
hat backwards thing that he has, right, But here's my thing.
I'm gonna state this because I know it to be true.
A lot of you saw our Boycoin Cowherd at live
golf last weekend. Right, Okay, can we get together and
form some sort of petition or have some sort of
on air teaching Colin how to wear a hat, because
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if you're going to criticize others for wearing their hat
backwards and how it looks, that's fine, then I'm going
to criticize you for not understanding the basics of how
to wear a ball cap, which is you don't put
it on top of your hair so that your hair
is still showing. That's not ball cap, wearing one on
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one everybody. And when you wear it that way, much
like he believes you have your hat backwards, you wear
it that way, it gives off the perception of you're
trying to be a younger bro. It's not actually try.
I disagree, but again he's talking about perception. I'm telling you,
the perception is that guy's never played a sport in
his life, definitely never played baseball. If he doesn't know
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how to wear a ball cap, is that fair?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
So I just I wanted I was waiting for this day,
maybe the last day fill in for Colin very possible. Okay,
I love my boy, but I saw him last week
and I was like, can middlekough middle cooff doesn't have
this because he has no hair? Right, he fired it
before quit on him. I got it. Colin has great hair.
That's real hair. He's got there. There's no implans, no nothing,
(02:46):
that's a real, real mop And he's been living on
this hat backwards thing. He got the Cowboys coach turning
his hat around. That really happened this year. Great mission accomplished,
Colin Cowhert. Dude, what are you doing? All right, Let's
get to the story of the day Michigan was levied
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fines and suspensions. And look, I don't know if this
comes to be. And the reason I say that is
I'm actually a coach for Wisconsin Green Bay, which Division
one program. We are under you know, NCAA rules and regulations,
just like anybody else. And what I have come to
(03:31):
learn first observing as a basketball analyst and a radio
show host and a TV yaker, and now I know
is the general thought in college athletics of the NCAA
and the NCAA is not some d'arconian organization made it
(03:51):
out to be it's just the conglomerate of schools, and
you know, it's like being mad at cong Risk when
there's actually you know, every state has the right to
vote their rights. They vote their opinions for their constituents.
And you just say I don't like Congress. Well yeah,
well there's fifty states, so you don't like the individual representatives.
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These are the individual schools.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
But there is.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
The Board of infractions.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Right.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
The general thought from most people is no matter what
rules the NCAA comes up with, if you sue, they'll lose.
Now here's where the NCAA has gotten smart over the
past couple of years. The new rules and regulations in
terms of roster limitations and this opt in that our
(04:45):
program is a part of. In most college athletic programs
outside the Ivy League are a part of. All of
these rules supposedly are lawsuit proof, right, there's a reason
that they're put in place. They feel like their lawsuit
proof and they'll stabilize things for the next couple of
years dream scenario, maybe even ten years of some form
of stabilization. So I say that because when I read
(05:08):
to you what Michigan's been punished, just understand that very
likely that Michigan appeals, ensues and tries to get out
of it. Right, Okay, So I don't need to go
through what they were doing with the signs, deealing. I
can only tell you that in my opinion without seeing
how much Jim Harbaugh knew. It's one of those Hey,
(05:30):
I don't care you're doing advanced scouting, give me the calls,
get them for me. Give me the calls. And when
you're running a program as big as Michigan in my program,
you know my email right now? I have to It's
I have to do every I'm a CEO. I have
to worry about every little different department and oh yeah,
(05:52):
by the way, much like Doge, what can we cut,
what can we keep? How little can we spend to
get the most out of it because we have to
compensate the student athlete. Now, but I'm gonna commend the NCAA. Look,
do I think this was a dog and pony show?
I do? Do I think was that this was? Do
I think there's another Connor Stallions out there? I'm not sure.
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I don't know. I do know that every college program,
basketball or football tries to figure out what the signs
are for the other for the other team, and that's
what you do.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
What you do it.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
You're not allowed unless you're playing in a tournament in basketball,
to scout in person. So you watch on video and
if they pull on their ear, if they tug on
their jersey, if they tap their head, you try and
figure out what exactly the set is, what exactly they're doing,
so you know what's coming. And if you can't pick
it up on video or I if you can, you
call somebody who's played them, because every coach has an
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assistant or a manager that's sitting on their bench. And
when you say, hey, that's earpool, Earpool, write that down, Earpool,
what is it?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Then you go in at halftime and you make sure
that you have it listed. So if they pull out
their ear in the second half, this is what they're doing.
And usually you know beforehand because you've talked to coaches
that have coached against them, because they keep a running
tab of what they're calling and how it coincides with
what they're doing on the floor. Makes sense. Okay, So
my point is I'm not excusing the behavior of Michigan.
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I'm just telling you that everybody on some former fashion
does it feels like they overdid it and they got
caught and then they won. But once they started winning,
they probably they didn't have this brogram in place and
they were in people's heads. And oh yeah, by the way,
if you didn't know signs stealing took place, why do
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you have three different people putting the signs out? Because
two are fake signs? Right, you know they're looking, so
let's not act like you're surprised that there's somebody in
the stands or some video camera trying to get it.
That was Bill Belichick's entire argument. Right, we film the game,
they're running in signs at the game. Why can't we
just film the sideline and then what it coincides with
(08:08):
on the field. The big question for Belichick was were
they filming practice? That, of course, is a no no.
And most coaches are incredibly paranoid. If they say a
video camera running when they're in an empty gym or
an empty stadium, Okay, they'll freak out. They'll have somebody
go put a towel over it or whatever they do.
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I mean, heck, if you played youth football and I
did you know this right before the game, you'll be
running through plays. What do you do with the players
who aren't involved? You line them up so that the
other coach can't look down and see what you're doing. Right,
And every high school football coach college football coach has
been paranoid for years at practice, at covering up what
you're doing. You know, high school coaches, especially making sure
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there's empty stadiums when they're running through their game plan
for the next day. So let's not act like we're
surprised if this happens, or that Michigan's the only one
doing it. They got caught doing it at a higher
level and then ultimately succeeding while doing it. Here's the punishment.
Four years of probation, financial penalties, A fifty thousand dollars
fine plus ten percent of the budget of the football program,
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an equivalent to the anticipated loss of all postseason competition
revenue sharing associated with the twenty twenty five twenty twenty
six football seasons. A fine equivalent to the cost of
ten percent of scholarships awarded to Michigan's football programs in
the twenty five to twenty six academic year. A twenty
five percent reduction official football visits in twenty five to
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twenty six, a fourteen week probation recruiting communications in the
football program during the probation period, and then Connor Stallion's
eight year show cause. Harbaugh, you knew he had a
ten year show cause. Denard Robinson wasn't he shoelaces, wasn't
his nickname when he played our shoe strings when he
played there as quarterback? Three year show cause, restricted from
(09:57):
all athletically related activities. That's a big one. That means
he can't really coach in college football. Whereas the show
cause means you have to show cause for hiring somebody.
It doesn't mean you can't coach. You can't get the job.
You have to just go through an infractions committee and
say you're sorry and say you've improved. It's much like
the probation department, you know, when you're trying to remember
(10:18):
the start of Shawshank redemption, where you have to say
that you're a changed man type deal. And then Sharon
Moore got a two year show cause, but he's still
the head coach, so that doesn't matter. And he suspended
a total of three games. Michigan imposed a two game
suspension for this year. The panel says he's got to
be suspended one additional game. Do you want to know why?
It's an awesome punishment because it hits them in the wallet.
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They're not taking down a banner that we know they
earned and that you can't.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Do.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
You guys, remember Men in Black? Right, remember the little
silver thing that Will Smith or Tommy Lee Jones would
hold up and press it, and everybody's memory would be
a race. Your short term memories is zapped. Like don't
you wish that occurred in life? Would that'd be so cool?
You're like in an argument with your girlfriend, your wife,
(11:12):
and you're just like two, Like what we're even argue about?
I don't know, mabe, how you doing right? Reset? Well,
the that's called a neuralizer. Don't ask me how I know?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
O gay.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Men in Black called it a neuralizer. There is no
neuralizer where we can hit the button. And Louisville's twenty
thirteen NCAA Championship is a race for our memory banks.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Right.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
We all saw it. We saw Trey Burke cleanly blocked
Peyton Siva. It didn't get called as a clean block.
It changed the momentum of that game. And Rick Patino's
Louisville Cardinal. Hey, Luke Hancock and the boys end up
winning a national championship. That's a real thing. Banner, no banner.
Nobody's giving back their rings. Nobody's saying I'm not an
NCAA champion. That's just dumb. How do you really punish
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a university? And the answer is you take the money,
right and who does this ultimately hurt? That's a lot
of money. Ten percent of the budget of the football
program at the University of Michigan. Okay, we calculating coaches
salaries in the budget, yep. We calculate a recruiting budget, yep.
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Are we calculating rev share in that budget? I don't
know that it's going to be a lot of money. Now,
I'm guessing Minisum Michigan will appeal and they'll probably sue
because it's a lot of money. And as much as
lawyer fees are a lot of money, I just ten
percent of scholarships a word a Michigan football program. Okay,
So what is an eighty thousand dollars scholarship a year?
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Nine ten percent is eight grand eight grand times? What
do you have? One hundred and five? Now in college football,
you do the math. That's a lot of money. That's
just the eight hundred or so grand plus you got
to take what you were going to get. And you're like, well,
what if they didn't make the postseason? And know what
they're talking about is everyone in your league gets a
portion of the postseason revenue. You get I believe two
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shares if you play, and then if you win, you
get additional shares of it. So that's a lot of money.
Now they didn't and I apparently can't take the TV revenue.
They can't take the in stadium revenue right where you're
making probably I don't know Michigan one hundred thousand people.
I can only estimate between one hundred and one hundred
and fifty million dollars per year from in stadium revenue.
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So they'll be fine, don't get me wrong, but taking
away the money is the only way to truly, truly
punish college sports programs because it is all about the money. Now,
you want to know what hurts the most. I would
not want to be the coach of Michigan softball, Michigan baseball,
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swim and diving, right, I feel terrible for Michigan hockey,
women's basketball, because Dusty May. They raised a bunch of money.
They got a squad. I know they wanted to play
us who don't want to play us? And we're like,
I don't really want to get forty piece by Michigan.
(14:13):
No thanks, not into that. They got a squad there.
I don't know what their budget is. Probably ten million
dollars right, maybe maybe more fifteen I don't know. They
have a top ten program. They're awesome, right, and they
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already have the contracts for their roster of football players. Right,
those contracts are done, they have to pay those players,
and I'm guessing it's somewhere in the twenty twenty five
million dollar range overall with salaries, right, because Ohio State
was they won the national championship. Everybody said they were
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kind of top of the top of the heap in
the low twenties twenty million, So you got to calculate one,
every Michigan's going to try and get to that level,
and then two there's some sort of inflation. Can we
say twenty five million?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Right?
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Then you got a factor in the coaching staff you're
talking about. I don't know, somewhere in the fifty million
dollar variety they have to be you have to be
competitive in football, you have to be competitive in basketball
because that's where you make your money. So what I
love is that they hit him where it hurts. Again,
(15:32):
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with that. I
don't know all the facts in the case, and I
don't have the time to kind of delineate how big
a deal this actually is. I do think that this
is kind of classic NCAA and it's like anything else,
like you know, supposedly this is Ohio State fans finding
this out, turning them in. We saw what likely Texas
(15:53):
fans did to John Mattier this week. It's like you
allowing fans to matter is a mistake in litigating something
like this, in my opinion, allowing them to be whistleblowers
and oh my gosh, gotcha, because what that does is
now Michigan fans are going to have their cell phones
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on and try and find Ohio State guys. And you know,
there's all this, you know, all this back and forth.
But whatever, they did a lengthy investigation, this is what
they found out. And for years it was scholarship productions,
right and taking down banners. Well, you can't take away
scholarships now, because if you take away a player's scholarship,
(16:35):
you say, hey, instead of I think it's one hundred
and five, I'm sorry, we don't have a football program.
I don't care about those numbers that used to be
eighty five. And what they've done is they've done instead
of scholarship limitations, it's roster limitations, it's roster limitations. And
again we were told that the reason they did roster limitations,
says scholarship limitations is their lawsuit proof that this is
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what This is how sports can survive lawsuits. Where you're
not cutting scholarships, you're simply cutting roster spots. That's all
you can have. You can do. Every spot can be
a scholarship, or half of them can be scholarships, or
none of it can be spot. You can do whatever
you want within your own domain. If you opted in,
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and Michigan of course opted in. I'm Doug Gottliebin for Colin.
This is the hurt Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app. What
you need to know is what you need to know
is Michigan got hit what it hurts right, got hit
where it hurts in the wallet, in the wallet. And
if you ask any Michigan coach or administrator. Okay, four years,
(17:42):
they felt like, despite the fact we're Michigan, uh that
the hardest part for them was raising the money and
getting up to the level of Ohio State, because Ohio
State has never cared about anything other than how can
we put the best team on the field. Michigan liked
to have the academic repute. Well, how State just want
to win championsip pips. Ohio States run fast and loose
(18:02):
with rules for a lifetime, especially in the football side. Okay,
I'm guessing probably Michigan did too, only they like Notre Dame,
like to feel like they're academically above it. They finally
got to the level of full investment from the university
on the football program, and now they're losing what ten
percent of their budget and all of their posts what
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would have been postseason revenue. And my guess is what
that hurts most is all the Olympic sports, the ones
that you don't hear about. Olympic sports are picked, the
one you don't soccer, hockey, track and field, lacrosse, any
(18:43):
of those ones their budgets chopped, and what you do
is then you move it over cleverly to Michigan Football. Well,
you can't. We cut the budget. There's always ways, always ways.
What do I know? I just worked for ancient institution.
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other shows. Of course, he's h'sh Tjoshpinzada. He joins us
now in the Herd on Fox Sports Radio. Who'shu shud
or Sanders So the good is after the first couple series,
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look good, you know, look confident, deliver the ball with accuracy,
move well in the pocket. Like I'm not going to
sit here and tell you I know the quarterback position
like you do or like coaches do. But look, it
wasn't like he didn't look like he belonged out there.
He looked really good. But that's first preseason game. It's
not with the ones. It's not against the ones. And
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there's a lot of quarterbacks that have looked good, that
are young, that are inexperienced, and that are not starters.
What's your assessment of Shador at this point in time
and how he looks.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I thought he looked great, to be honest with you,
And you're right, he wasn't going against the ones. But
very rarely do we see a quarterback drafted in the
fifth round play this way in his first NFL game. Ever,
we haven't seen that. I don't know if we can
recall a quarterback that wasn't drafted in the first round
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playing like this his first game. Now, obviously we would
like to see how he would perform going again starters,
But when you watch that game, the touch, the anticipation
and he played on time. That translates now, maybe that
first touchdown throw in a back corner against the Ones.
(22:14):
When he threw that ball, I was like, ooh, that's
a pick. Oh great throw. Maybe that's an incompletion. But
he just trusts himself so much. And when you play
with confidence like it sucks that he's not going to
be able to play this weekend because of his oblique injury,
because I would have liked the scene how he would
have looked tomorrow. But that was a first step in
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the right direction. He should be proud of himself. But
we know this playing sports. It's not what you did yesterday,
it's what can you do today and tomorrow and every
day moving forward.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Okay, so let's get into it for a second. I actually,
you know, it's interesting. I love the path that he
had playing college football from this perspective, and is he
went to a level that was honestly well below his
level of competency coming out of high school. Right he
was like a three four star or whatever, and you know,
he's recruited like Southern Miss level. So instead goes to
(23:08):
Jackson State, obviously plays for his dad, but he gets
to start for two years. Then they jump up and
he gets to start for two years at Colorado and
because he's I mean, this is honestly, who should Maybe
this is a little bit too much in the Beltway,
you know, behind the curtain, but in recruiting at my
level and really kind of at any level, but at
my level, we don't necessarily want a power five kid
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transferring down because in order for a power five kid
to transfer down to our level, he'd likely didn't play.
So he doesn't have the confidence because he hasn't actually
done it before. And because he was at a higher level,
he thinks that he's better than he actually is because
our level is actually pretty darn good. Right, So he
did the reverse, which is what we try and do
in recruiting, which is, hey start at this level, kill it,
(23:54):
and then go to the next level, get paid, but
also play against better competition. But you have confidence. And
we've recruited two D two kids that have supreme self
confidence because they were dominant Division two one, Division three player. Anyway,
point is he's confident, he's well rounded, he's seen lots
of different football because he's actually played it. But what
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everyone said was missing was really two things, right. It
was the the lack of engagement in those meetings, and
really it comes down to the feeling of entitlement. And
then two from a football perspective, it's does he have
a big time arm and is he a big time athlete?
Let's start with the entitlement piece. Does it as a
(24:35):
pro as a vet shows up, got the entourage, got
a guy carry in his bag, somebody filming him, that's
part of who he is. Does that affect the locker
room at all?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
No, we got to understand who is this. It's a
new day and age man. These young kids or young men,
they've grown up in a influencer era. Everything that they
do they want to record it, they want to have
memories that they want to have everything on video. That's
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just what this generation is and we got to get
used to that. Like that, the arrogance, like people, Oh
he's cocky, he's arrogant. He he may have been, but
I promise you you want somebody with supreme confidence over
somebody that has no confidence.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
There's a middle there's a middle ground there, right. I mean,
look what they try to do. What they try to
do is they try to dictate where he was going.
And so that was a lesson learned.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Right like that, that was a lesson learned from them.
If that's what they try to do, that's a lesson learned.
But I promise you, I would rather you be cocky
then you have no confidence. Because the cockiness that many
perceived him to have, he was somewhat humble because of
what happened. I believe he's going to be a really
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good player because.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
He has that.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I can't be as cocky as I will if I'm
trying to control where I go and I go on
the fifth round. But I'm gonna be me and me
is uber confident, super belief in myself, and that goes
so fine. I think people forget that. Man, if you
don't have belief, you might as well give it up.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
You could not be more right.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
T J.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Huschman's out, a former Pro Bowl wide receiver joining us,
the wide receiver whisperer himself kind of to spend some
time here with us in the herd. That said, okay,
can you be I know it's a new era. I
would we could go back and forth on whether or
not it's a new era for quarterbacks with that, but
that's I know it's a new era. Can you be
that guy with a media social media entourage following and
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be a backup quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
No, now you if you're a young guy, if you're
a backup a year or two possibly, but you you
can be a career backup and have that. No, I
don't believe so. Now the entourage is his older brothers,
So is it really? I mean, that's a family member
that's doing the recording, is Dion Jr. And so it's
(27:12):
tough to have an entourage and people recording you in
this camera that camera. When you aren't a starter, that
that is going to be tough. But once you become
a starter, you're gonna have to you're gonna have to
manage it. You can't. It can be over the top
all the time. You aren't going to have to manage it.
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Because now other players are gonna feel they can do
certain things that they've seen you do and they're not you.
And so it's a fine line that they're gonna have
to walk. But it's so far away. I don't mind
the video. Everybody is recording themselves. Whether they're gonna record themselves,
they're gonna go on live, They're gonna go on tickets,
whatever it is, or they're gonna have somebody do it,
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and it's done the right way, and he's just doing
it the right way instead of doing it himself.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Yeah, the only quarterback to be doing it. That's that's
that's there. The positional part of it is going to
be the interesting aspect.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
You've never seen a quarterback do these things.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
But hey, yeah, but he did it to be losing.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
No, no, no, no, I'm just sitting it like when
the quarterback has always been the god. It's kind of quiet.
He's going to lead, but he isn't doing these things.
But he's look, his father maybe the flashiest football player
to ever play ever changed and so he's been brand
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this way.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
I know, I listen, I got it. I just it's
like you said, you can't do it if you're a backup.
And now he's hurt, gives other guys an opportunity. Maybe
they've maybe they fall in their face. Like I think
he's more talented than Dylan Gabriel. I think most people
think that, but Dylan Gabriel personality wise, is a great backup.
But did you draft to guy in the third round
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to be a backup? I don't know. We'll we'll find out.
Let me ask you about Matt Stafford. So Sean McVay
comes out and says he's gonna do some throwing next week.
He was supposed to do some throwing this week. It's
it's what's the old Yogi bear expression, it's getting late early.
If you're should the Rams be freaking out over Matt Stafford,
(29:21):
I'd be concerned.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
If you haven't, Yeah, you're Matt Stafford. Mat I met
Matthew Stafford when he was going into as sophomore year
at Georgia, so it's long ago. He was a great
throw out of football. Then he's still a great throw
at the football. Now. One thing he's gonna be able
to do is throw the football with great accuracy and
(29:45):
great velocity. He it will concern me that he hasn't
practiced in training camp. That that that is concerning, especially
when you say, okay, last Saturday he threw sixty passes.
We'll see how he feels on Sunday the next day.
So if he felt good on Sunday, you at least
would have practiced on Tuesday. And so the still now
(30:09):
practice shows me he didn't feel good the next morning.
Because if he felt good, he would have practiced, and
so it has to be concerning, like they can spend
it any way you want to spend it. If Matthew
Stafford isn't practicing, something is bothering him. And so if
I'm the rounds us concerning because the Rams are Super
Bowl contenders, but they aren't Super Bowl contenders that Matthew
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Stafford isn't under center.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Calum Williams did he play Doug.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I'll say this, and I've told people this. If Caleb
Williams does not have success, this won't go to the
coaching staff. We can't blame matt uber Flues and the
offensive coordinator Ben Johnson is proven. Ben Johnson resurrected Jared Goff.
(30:59):
Ben Johnson had the number one offense in the league
every year he was in Detroit. They were top three,
four or five moving the ball up. And like we know,
Ben Johnson can get it done. If they don't have
this is all gonna be on Kayler Williams. Can he play?
I'm gonna say yes, but I don't know why you
didn't play the first game, Like it's a new system,
(31:23):
very interesting, but I must say yes, Caleb Williams can play.
They have the weapons at the skill position. They reinforced
that offensive line through free agency, but I'm slightly concerned.
I'll say that who's.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Here the best man? We gotta catch up in person.
I appreciate you join us. Thanks for our guest in.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
The hurt, Doug. I appreciate you, man. Take care.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
That's my guy, TJ. Houshpinsat up for a Pro Bowl
wide receiver, the wide spear pro whisperers whisper joining us
in the herd. Let's get to Greg Tooey with the.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
News, no nor line news.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
Hello dugger, Hello Gregory. By the way, do people call
you coach now or do they call you Doug? Everybody
calls me coach because everybody I know who's a coach,
I call him coach.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Yes, everybody in Green Bay. It's all right, you coach.
It's the weirdest thing. Well, you got to do the
Green Bay and you got a quote a coach, he
coach coach PI. That's a little that was.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
That's pretty close though, No, No, that's too far to
Green Bay.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
I have been to Green Bay. Yeah, I've been to
a Wisconsin game football game. Oh you went to they
played this year? The years ago we did a remote area. Yeah,
next year they play Uh no, no, tra Dame at
at Lambeau. Yeah it was great. Madison's awesome.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
Madison green Bay, I'm sorry, yeah, green Bay. Yeah, but
Madison is Wisconsin. Yeah, yeah, so it's not green Bay. Yes, Douger.
We got a coach. Coach, we got a big series.
We have a big series in LA. This weekend in baseball,
the Dodgers and Padres facing off three game series at
Chavez Ravine. But now it's the Dodgers looking up in
(33:01):
the NL West as they trail the Padres by a
game mid August Dog Days.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Here was Dave.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
Roberts this week on LA falling out of first place
after being swept on the Angels.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Where where we're at?
Speaker 3 (33:14):
We put ourselves in this spot. But no, I wouldn't
have expected to spit second place.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
Right now, the Dodgers were being billed by many as
being maybe the best team in baseball three stopping.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
There was a lot of that talk. There was there
was nurse.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
You know, when they lost their first game, people were like, oh,
they're not going to go one sixty two, and oh
how could they?
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Who are these people who thought they were team ever,
they're a lot. They're randos on social media. There don't
pay attention to randos social media. All right, whatever, injuries
in consistency have killed them this year. But how worried
are you about the Dodgers?
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Not?
Speaker 6 (33:54):
Are they still a lock to make the World Series?
Speaker 4 (33:56):
The you know, they never thought they were a locked,
but I mean, you still have to put them as
it's a favorite, assuming they get healthy. There's a lot
of people that didn't think they did enough at the
trade deadline, and you look at what's happened to them
before and since the trade deadline, and there's some legitimacy
to that. But if we if we dial back to
last year in the playoffs, Padres were up two games
(34:17):
to one. Everybody thought they had him dead to rights
and it's talking a bunch of ish and the Dodgers
bounce back and win the series and then go on
and win the World Series. So I do think that
when they got six against the Padres out of the
next nine and the Rockies in the middle, yep, yeah,
look I would if you if you're anywhere below five
(34:37):
hundred in these next six against the Padres and oh yeah,
by the way, you need to at least win two
out of three against the Rockies. So if you're a
couple over five hundred after the next week and a half,
then I think you take a breath. If not, like,
if it's an abject disaster, then they got swept by
the Angels, which part of it is one of the
(34:58):
good stories in baseball is that the Angels are not terrible.
And I understand that we don't cover sports where like, hey,
they're mediocre, But if you're an Angel fan like I am,
you're like, they're mediocre, it's kind of awesome. And they're
getting closer too. You can see it. They're getting a
lot closer. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, point is I think
you got to feel like they've got to win at
(35:18):
least five or six out of the next nine, and
then you can take a breath if you go like
two and seven, start sweating a little bit, all right.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
Wrapping up with this, cluh Terry McLaurin continues to be
a hold in at Commander's campus. He waits for a
new deal. This week Cliff's Kingsbury thero c. He's starting
to voice his frustrations without the offense is still a
worker in progress as we move closer and closer to
the regular season.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Yeah, I think that's a work in progress. There's no doubt.
Speaker 7 (35:46):
I don't think until we get some of these other
pieces back, we're going to know exactly what we are.
We've had some good opportunities to see other guys get
work and these positions. But when you don't have your
kind of projected top to outside receivers, you know, one
of your projected both of your projected inside pieces at guard,
it's not going to really give you the chance to
jail or really build that relationship until you get a
(36:08):
vite off on the grass. So that's something we have
to get to over the next three weeks.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
I mean, I think it seems more likely than not
that Jaden Daniels is going to take some kind of
a step back this year. A lot of people don't
think so, but not having Terry McLaurin in camp isn't
helping matters. Daniels made people forget how great c. J.
Stroud was his rookie ear based on how good you
know Jayden was last year. But with every NFC team,
NFC East team game planning to slow him down, is
(36:34):
it crazy to think that he won't be as good
as he was last year.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
No, I mean again, there's there's a there's a chance
there to, you know, a sophomore slump, if you will. First,
we all know Terry mclaurin's going to be there, right sure, Yeah,
it's gonna get this done la minute. He'll keeps him
out of keeps him out of camp. But I wouldn't
be concerned. They start the year right, Giants at home,
the game that they should win, right game, they should win.
(37:02):
Everybody's healthy, they should be better and further along than
the Giants. And you know, Jane Danis at this point
in his career has a much greater trajectory than Russell
Wilson at this.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Point in his career.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Then they come to take on the Packers, and that's
a quick turnaroun. It's a Thursday night game right now.
The Packers will play the Lions and then they play
the Commanders. So they go Giants at home, Packers in
the road, Raiders at home. If you start two and
one like, you're good, So much of it's how you start,
and you start with will met them two home games
against two very likely non playoff teams. You got to
(37:34):
feel good about yourself. If you're the Commanders, considering the
year that you came off, is it possible. Yeah. I
mean the reason that that division was how it was
was who they crossed over against. And this year, who
they cross over against, it's going to be a little
bit more difficult. They do have the Broncos, albeit at home.
(37:55):
They do have the Dolphins, albeit at home. And it's
in November, so you got to feel like cold weather
that that helps you out. You do have to go
to the Chiefs, you have to go to the Chargers,
gotta go to the Falcons, gotta go the Packers, gotta
go the Vikings. So just some tough games. I think
what you're talking about is very honest, very real. Right
memory commander has played a last play schedule and now
(38:17):
they don't, So I do think there'll be some leveling
of it. If he doesn't level off, then this guy's
a super still be Yeah, he'll be Yeah, that's the news.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Herd line and oh yeah, by the way, part of
the whole why Jaden Daniels was successful initially was he
had years and years of reps Arizona State into Florida
State where he had an unbelievable or into LSU, sorry
LSU where he won the Heisman Trophy. Right, that's a
guy that played a lot of college football. Is it
time to sound in the alarm? With the rams and
(38:51):
the Matt Stafford issue. We'll discuss next in The Herd.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays
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Speaker 4 (39:00):
Doug Gotti be in four columnists The Herd, Fox Sports Radio,
I Heart Radio app. When's the proper time to freak out?
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Right?
Speaker 4 (39:09):
And I'll tell you it's because it's like I have
a lot of friends who are have their kids going
off to college, right, send their kids off to college,
and they're gonna be homesick. I remember when I was
the other day in like the first two weeks were
like a dream, Like there's no parents around, and when
(39:31):
you first get there, it's like freshman orientation. You know,
it's just meeting chicks and getting numbers, right, That's that's all,
that's all it is. And you start you start like
all right, like possibles not possible. As you start recruiting whatever,
it was unbelievable Now I had traveled a lot as
(39:52):
a kid playing basketball, so the traveling and my parents
didn't like take me there and drop me off and
set up my room and kissed me goodbye. They're like,
put me on a plane a foot to Chicago. My
dad had a guy who played for him who's a
big stock trader. He actually took me on the floor
of the exchange in Chicago and then like two days
(40:12):
later drove me to South Bend and that was it
was bye bye, and I had a bag and that
was it. And then my parents came in on a
couple weekends in took me to Best Buy, bought a
couple of things and that was that. You know, got
the room fridge, I got a TV VCR combo, but
it was white and open, open box, right, But that
thing was money that lasted post college anyway. Nowadays, you know,
(40:36):
especially with young women, you take him to school and
there's crying and then they're rushing for sororities and like
if you don't get picked for the sorority you want,
Like these women think like their life is going to end.
It was like, okay, the point is I put two
in college last year. Two girls are twins, okay, and
(40:59):
the adjust and for both was different. At what point
do you freak out and go like, well, maybe this
is the wrong school for the kid, right, and when
you're from southern California, they all want to come home.
Why because it's it's the old Why Southern California so expensive?
You know what the answer is, because it's worth it.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Right.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
It is. I love where I live, I love what
I do. But I mean again, if I was a
rich person and I could live in southern California and
just chill you and have the lives that high school
kids have, because that's what they think. They think they
go back in their high school life right when they
don't have a lot of they just but that's not
the reality anyway. When do you freak out? When is
that moment? Is it week three? Is it week four? Hey?
Get through the first semester, because the truth is that
(41:43):
it's the start of your second year. If you go
back to your sophomore year and you're like, this is
still not my place, that's probably really the time. First
year is really weird murky. For Matt Stafford, when's the
moment that we freak out about the back? I don't
think it's that big a thing that he couldn't after throwing.
Like that's what old men do, right. If you go
(42:04):
out and play basketball and you haven't played basketball in
a month, you're going to be sore the next couple
of days. And so you don't keep playing basketball, keep
getting more sore, that's when you get hurt. Because like
we're a week away from freaking out of Man Stafford.
No freak out yet, no freak out yet. Wait to
hear what one college football coach said next, and the
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