August 21, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin looks at the 49ers struggling with injuries in training camp and explains why he doesn’t want to hear excuses for quarterback Brock Purdy if the offense struggles to start the season
He talks about Sean Payton pulling off one of the greatest steals in NFL history
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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a Thursday, Greg Cosell. In one hour, we are live.
We're in Chicago. It's The Herd. Wherever you may be
and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us
part of your day. Sean, I was sitting with my
wife last night in front of the fire, and I
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want to relay because you're a new parent. So and
in this story with the Niners reminds me of last night.
So I want to start the show. John here. I
was sitting with my wife having you know, cocktail, front
of the fire. We have six kids between us, and
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I made the analogy to my wife. We had a
little thing going on. I said, you know, honey, you
and I are firefighters, and occasionally one of our six
kids becomes an arsonist. They're just starting fires. Sometimes The
key is they don't have two or three arsenists at
the same time, So you've got to really when you
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have issues. Parenting's not about when your kids are eating
their vegetables and everybody's getting good grades and playing nice.
That's not parenting. That's like babysitting. That's easy. Parenting is crisis.
What happens when there's fire starters. What happens you got
to come in. You're the firefighter. You're putting that puppy out.
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And that's a little bit like being a quarterback in
the NFL. Everybody's good with a stacked roster. What happens.
Ask Jalen hurts, you lose your top offenive coordinator and
receiver gets hurt. Oh, that's real quarterback play. That's real
quarterback play. I mean tip of the cap to Justin
Herbert making the playoffs last year. That number one first
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round pick or that first round pick receiver Quentin Johnson
can't catch his rookie slot was his only legitimate, dependable
wide receiver and he made the playoffs. That's quarterbacking. So
the Niners this preseason are a mess. DeMarcus Robinson suspended
three games. They went and got Sky Moore yesterday. Andy
Reid bailed on him, probably not going to work a
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Russell Gage who was being counted on to help for
the injured receivers. He's now hurt. He's out for a
couple of weeks. And since twenty eighteen, with the exception
of one year, and I don't have an explanation for it.
The Niners have been top ten in injuries. A couple
of years, they've been number one. I mean, you can
only wear pads so many days, you can only practice
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so many days. I don't know what it is, but
I know this. That's that's the separator. Patrick Mahomes won
two Super Bowls and the wide receiver situation was a
mess whiffs, suspensions, drops.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I think.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I think for a couple of years, kansasit. He led
the NFL and drops as Mahomes is winning Super Bowls
by the way. CJ. Stroud last year, Stefan digs out
for the year, Tank Dell hurt, Nico Collins hurt at
one point, he's like working with a left tackle having
a bad season. And his number three, four, and five
wide receivers are his one, two and three receivers, and
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he won a playoff game, and Josh Allen win the MVP.
His number one wide receiver is a slot guy from
Boise State. That's quarterback. It's like parenting. Parenting is when
stuff gets messy. That's real parenting, all right, Parenting's not
everybody's eating their beans and get n ay's and you're
not helping with Homer's. That's not parenting. So I don't
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want to hear any excuses for brock Purty because to me,
this is the separation. The separation in this league is, oh,
your O line lost your center and right tackle Michael Pennix.
Right now in Atlanta they traded Drew Dolman or Drew
Dolman signed with the Bears, a great center, and now
they have two other offensive linemen hurt Michael Pennix. This
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is not Washington, where you had one of the top
ten O lines and a great coach. Now you've got
a defensive coach and your old lines phone apart in camp.
That that is quarterback play for Michael Pennicks, and this
is quarterback play for Brock Purty. Nobody's healthy at wide receiver,
Debo deebo leaves ay Yuke's not there yet. The guy
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you brought in to replace at least for the time
being your injured guy. He just got hurt. Kyle Shanahan
addresses the mess at wide receiver right now for the Niners,
it's pretty tough. I mean, I promise you guys.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
If it's a challenge for the fans, I promise you guys,
it's a bigger challenge for me just dealing with all this.
But you know, we haven't had the best luck this year,
down probably more guys than we've had. It's you know,
it's a tough situation. You got to keep practicing because
we got to we got to improve, We got to
be ready for the season.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
We got to continue to get better for the season.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
But it does make that a huge challenge with the
number of guys we've had down now.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I said, last year, stacked roster rock perty's getting you
to conference championships. Last year beat up, old, brittle roster,
A lot of guys hurt, won in six against playoff teams,
So the schedules easier. Kittle and McCaffrey are back. San
Francisco is going to be better. They're not going to
be won in six against playoff teams. But this is
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quarterback play in the NFL. Brock Perty went to Diowa
State that prepared him for the NFL pass rush. Second
best roster, not always the best coach. So that this
Michael Pennix and Rock Purty already between camp and preseason
up against it, real, real injury issues. And that schedule
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at Seattle for the Niners. Arizona plays him tough, Jags
Rams Bucks. Okay, I got to talk about this yesterday.
I got a text from a couple of front office people.
Yesterday the Broncos Sean Payton made a deal. You know
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how Trump wrote that book Art of the Deal. This
was Art of the steal. The Saints are delusional. They
don't realize they're going to rebuild. A year ago. Sean
Payton drafted an old receiver out of Utah. He entered
the NFL at twenty six years old. Entered the NFL
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at twenty six years old. He's now twenty seven. He'll
be twenty eight in the season. They draft him in
the seventh round and they traded him yesterday. They flipped
him for a fourth and a seventh round pick. And
the Saints are going to be bad. So that's going
to be top of the fourth and top of the
seventh art of the Steel. The kids played one year
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in the NFL. He's already older than Ceedee Lamb, so
he's probably got two to three years of prime left.
And Sean Payton knew itt. And this is what great
offensive coaching does. You find insane value later in the draft,
you make it immediately productive within your system, and then
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you sign it like a broad party or you flip it.
So they're going to get a top of the fourth
and the top of a seventh round pick for a
receiver that'll be twenty eight by December. And he knew
next year, when he turns twenty nine in a season,
you're not going to get the value for him. People
are going to go, well, he's a year away from
his prime. So Sean knew this is the time to
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move off him. You know, it's really smart. So it's
it's that Jordan Belfoort, Wolf of Wall Street. You sell
me this pen. That's what it feels like. And so
it's amazing the Saints got worked because they had Sean
Payton in the building for fifteen fifteen years that they
still got worked. But it's a great example offensive coaches
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fine value. Late niners have been in a couple times
with Shanahan, fine value late, make it immediately productive and
either sign them early to a good deal, get them
signed because you got it for free for four years,
or flip them early at the top and at Carolina,
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by the way, Carolina has a really sharp young GM,
a former player, Dan Morgan. Carolina did this last year
where they got a fourth round pick from the Cowboys
for Jonathan Mingo, who's like a number three or four
receiver in the league. They got a fourth round pick.
He's heard, he's on the ir and he had five
catches for the Cowboys last year. So in every business,
in every state business, the smart guys, the haves are working,
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the distracted and the delusional. The Saints are delusional. They're
going a rebuild. What are you doing? The Sharks eat
the minnows, the Hammers meet the nails. And that's a
great example. You wonder in your how is how is
Sean Payton made this roster? How has he made this
offensive line? Number two according to PFF in like two
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years it was mediocre, bottom third of the league. It's
this kind of stuff just knowing offensive personnel. Look what
he's done to that receiving corp and that offensive line.
The reason they can move off de von Vleight, The
reason they can move off him, talented kid, by the way,
The reason they could move off him because they've drafted
and developed and hit on wide receiver talent. So it's
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just it's just a little deal. But Sean knows the
Saints aren't going to be good. The kid's going to
be twenty seven, twenty eight years old in season in
one year. I probably can't move him. His age will
become a topic. And they get two good picks hammer
me in the nail. That is a and Mark Cleroz
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was on our show it was either yesterday or the
day before talking about how Sean Payton has just changed
the Denver culture.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
The difference between last year and this year was last.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Year we hoped we could win. This year, we know
we can win. And one of the big moves we made,
even if it was.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
A popular player, we got rid of popular players that
weren't the right guys. Guys that want to be here,
Guys that want to contribute, Guys that want to work hard,
Guys that want to sacrifice for one another.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
That's how we're building this roster. Yeah, I thought that
was when people reach out to me in the league
and they're like, whoa, it's like uninitiated. I didn't you know,
I responded, but I didn't send it out and I
was actually distracted and my phone light's up and it's like, yeah,
I mean, that's just Sean doing Sean's stuff. And we've
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talked about this before. I don't have the stats in
front of me, but the late great Tony Gwynn is
one of the best peer hitters I've ever seen in baseball.
But you know he wasn't hitting Oral Hirschheiser in Oral's prime.
Nobody was. You got to get those hits off the
number three and four starter, the average middle reliever, the
average setup guy. In almost every business I've ever been
a part of is you've got to take advantage of
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the people that are delusional and distracted and don't put
in the prep or the work that you're not working
the best people, you're not taking advantage of great You've
got to find people that are not paying attention or
have a higher belief in reality that New Orleans makes
that move, like that's the kind of move that can
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Great Rates and none of the bulls. So this is important.
The College Football Playoff announced yesterday revisions much needed revisions
to this selection process. Well, what do you know. New
metrics now for the committee will weigh to a larger
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degree strength of schedule and you'll get credit now for
beating great teams, but it will minimize the damage done
to losing the great teams, meaning the Indiana Hoosiers scheduling
Florida International, Western Illinois and Charlotte out of conference, and
the media loving the sob story of the little guy.
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Media softer than cookie dough. It's always let's include the
little guy. Little guys don't win natties, and even in
a twelve team playoff, they don't necessarily. I mean, Indiana
never beat a ranked opponent, got dragged by notre name
in Ohio State. I thought it was a cool story.
But don't confuse cool story or good story with great team.
And this is what I said last year when Ohio
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State lost to Oregon. I predicted before the season, you're
gonna look it up. I said, Ohio State's gonna lose
close at outsin they'll meet him later in the year
and Ohio State will win it and buy for the
title potentially, And it happened. Why should Ohio State bed
for losing on the last play of the game at
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Aux against one of the best teams in the country.
That's a net positive to me. If Texas goes to
Ohio State. Ohioston has the two best players in the country,
Caleb Downs Jeremiah Smith, two best players in my opinion
in the country. If Texas goes into the shoe and
it's thirty eight thirty four and Texas is trailing and
driving for the win, twelve ten nine, ball batted down
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in the end zone. That's a net positive. That tells
me one thing. It doesn't tell me Ohio State's great.
You should win your home games in college football against
twenty three year olds. It tells me Texas is good
enough to win the Natty. If you can go against
Ohio State on the road and ball's in the air
with a chance to win. The one thing I know
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for sure is Texas is going to win its home
games and has a chance to win the national championship.
And then that's what I said about Ohio State last year.
So and the media does this and then political media,
business media, sports media inclusion above everything. How about we
start with competency. We could have inclusion second or third.
I'm not saying it's not important in life. It is,
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but it can't lead everything. This is sports meritocracies, and
I love this. The metric now will reward teams defeating
high quality opponents, meaning schedule legitimate teams, while it will
minimize the penalty for losing to such a team exactly.
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And that's what I've argued for years. If you're gonna
punish teams for losing to rivals like Ohio State lost
to a bad Michigan team yet won the Natty, it happens.
It's a big rivalry game. Great Alabama team once lost
to Auburn on a quirky kick return or a field
goal that was short. They returned it all the way.
You're like, what did I just see? Weird stuff happens
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with an oddly shaped ball over three and four hours.
So no more rewarding teams for scheduling mercer. I mean
I always say this. I love Nick Saban, but he
worked the system. After about three years, they'd never do
a true road at a conference game. They always had
a buy in front of their LSU game or an
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Auburn game, and too many mercers and Panera tech, Panera
bread tech like get out of work in the system.
Go face big teams and if you lose, if the
Longhorns lose, close competitive driving for the win. I think
more of you, not less of you. John with a
news go turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
This is the herd Line news, Okay, Colin the Steelers
obviously hits their wagon too.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
A forty one year old future Hall of Famer in
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
And Ben Roethlisberger actually has been high on the addition
and says that Rogers and DK have something special going.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
But he knows that Rogers' success will come down to
one thing. Can Aaron have enough time to throw the ball.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
And that's not a knock on the line, that's just
a question I'm going to ask, because if he can
have the time to throw the ball, you're going to
see some crazy stuff happen. We've always talked about the
question to be a lined, but it always is you're
only going to be as good as your line is
if they can give Aaron time.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Watch out. Well, it's not just that to me, John,
it's a run game because Aaron can have all day
to throw if it's third and nine and people are
bearing down on you. So to me, in a seventeen
game schedule the way to make your defense better and
your quarterback better. The one thing that ensures it, ask
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brock Purty, is have your number one back and be
able to run the ball consistently. So line protection deteriorates
even for Jalen Hurts. If somebody brings the house, the
key is Jalen Hurts rarely has to throw now because
of the line in the run game on third and nine,
it's third and one. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I don't think anyone's been comparing the Steelers offensive line
to the mid nineties Cowboys for the.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Last I don't know decade.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
You know, one thing Ben could do is he could
break tackles and get out of things. He was kind
of like the version of Cam Newton Rogers and then
what Ben became at the end, it was hard for him, right,
and same thing with Aaron last year.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
He did not want to get hit. I don't blame him.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Forty years old Tom at the end, it's like, hey,
forty years old made a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Like what am I doing here? So that's a concern
with Stafford.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
But you know the reports I like the guy in college,
but the reports out of training camp is Caleb Johnson
been a little slow and they tried to replace levey
On Bell with Najie Harris and it didn't quite work. So,
you know, leve On Bell when their offense was really humming,
what's eight nine years ago?
Speaker 1 (18:37):
He was a big part of that, So I agree
with Ben. Yeah, I got him at about eight wins
your thoughts eight nine wins.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I think best case scenario if they have an elite defense,
which is a big question mark. They added a defensive
lineman in the first round, TJ. Watt, if he has
a defensive player of the Year type season their DBS.
You know, you add Jalen Rams, you add Darius Slay.
They already have Joey Porter's son, who's a good player.
Maybe their defense can be really good and they could
just be one of those rough and tumble ten to
eleven win teams. But that's asking a lot. I mean, yeah,
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can Aaron stay healthy? That to me is a big
question mark.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
Two.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Speaking of in the NFL, Michael Parsons and the Cowboys
have yet to come.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
To a long term deal.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
As we get closer to their Week one matchup against
the defending.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Super Bowl champion Eagles.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Despite the lack of contract extension, head coach Brian Schottenheimer
is still confident he'll have a star edge rusher available.
Speaker 8 (19:31):
I think at the end of the day, we feel
like Mike is going to be out there when we
line up against Philadelphia here in fifteen days or whatever
it is, and.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
You know, so no answers. I feel good about that. Yeah,
with the what's out of carndug extended.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I feel good that Mike is going to be out
there against the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Man, I'm glad somebody does. Other thing is he's not practicing,
So even if they signed him in ten days, he's
not ready to play. He's not working with a team.
He's not work I mean, I don't, I don't. He's
I think when you get hurt, John, is when you
sign late and you're you didn't get that three weeks
of hitting in practice, that's when you get banged up.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Well, what would be the point of giving him, you know,
one hundred and thirty hundred and forty million dollars guaranteed
and then shoving him right out there in a couple
of days against one of the best offensive lines. Do
you remember a couple of years ago not apples to
apples because the Chiefs hosted the game that the Cowboys
will be on the road, but Chris Jones wanted a
new contract. He didn't play in the game, but he
went to the game, like I do think you know
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this saga Jerry Jones the drama.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I think everything's on the table.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
If you tell me this contract is not signed, he's
not playing in the game, But would he show up
and being Philadelphia for that opening game?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I mean it could get really weird. I mean it
already is really weird.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
But this situation, I mean almost feels a little untenable
at this point, doesn't it?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, does to me. I don't know. It's been a
weird cam Trayvon Diggs, Michah Parson's defensive side. I remember John,
this was not a good defense last year with those guys.
So it's like it's it's problematic.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Now you have a coach a little over his head too. Okay, Last,
but not least, Shador Sanders. He obviously had the great
debut with the Cleveland Browns in the preseason game, but
then he got an oblique injury and during practice.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
It's been held out the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Shador returned to practice yesterday, but Kevin Stefanski hasn't committed
to playing him in their preseason finale Saturday against the Rams.
Baker Mayfield has some advice for Shador, basically telling him
control what you can control. What's this season going to
look like with Shador not being able to play in
these last couple of preseason games and probably starting the
year as the four string quarterback.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah, if they released is it official? John? Have they
released the death chart yet? I know it's not really.
I mean there's a reason they're not doing it.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I think they're gonna do the you know, Flacco's the one,
and then Picket or Gabriel or shit Sanders and get
one of those. Here's the problem these preseason games. Honestly
when the backup, but definitely when you're the third and
fourth string quarterbacks like Gabriel and Shador Sanders, if you're
not able to play in those once the season starts,
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you will The backup quarterback typically runs the scout team.
The third and fourth string quarterback don't do that much,
especially the four string quarterback.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
How do you get reps? He's gonna be in a
difficult position.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Now. These guys are all gonna play. I think by
the time we pass I don't know Halloween, and it's
really ugly. And Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco have both played.
But remember they drafted Gabriel before they drafted Shador Sanders.
You and I have been talking about this since the draft.
The head coach in the GM are going to play
Gabriel if they're both healthy. I would imagine before Shador Sanders.
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We could be looking at mid to late November, before
Shador Sanders, regardless of how many quarterbacks they go through,
ever gets on the field for the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah. John Middlekoff of the News, Well, that's the news
and thanks for stopping by the Herd Line show us.
I thought it was interesting we had Mac Brown on.
The former national champion coach broadcaster at Texas Carolina had
two different stays there and he's now retired living in
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beautiful Austin, Texas. And we had Mac Brown on yesterday
and one of the obvious questions to ask him is
how does he think Bill Belichick will do at a
program Carolina that Mac Brown knows very very well.
Speaker 8 (23:26):
Chancellor Lee Roberts has committed the football big time for
the first time in North Carolina history. They are really
wanting football to be good, so.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
They're all in.
Speaker 8 (23:36):
Bill is arguably the best coach of any sport. I mean,
you win that many Super Bowls at whatever level. The
man can coach, he can evaluate because he had to
bring in all those kids at the Patriots and now
administrators don't like to say it, but we have pro
football at some level in college. We no longer have amateurism.
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So I do think the fact that we are much
more like the NFL than ever before will really help
build with this transition.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
And I agree in premise to that. But here's what's
really interesting to me. This is why it's so fascinating,
is if you look at Belichick his last seven drafts
in New England, where he's evaluating college talent, he was awful.
There are so many misses and so many complete whiffs
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and so many reaches. Even in the early rounds. I mean,
from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty three, where Bill really
controlled personnel, they only drafted two players that made a
Pro Bowl. One was a punter, the other was Mac Jones,
who made a Pro Bowl because a bunch of quarterbacks
opted out of the Pro Bowl. He was a poor
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evaluator of college talent. He didn't do well now as
a defensive coach a plus plus plus. Best ever as
a culture creator a plus plus. I'm not saying Bill's
not smart and can't do things, but when he was
controlling the drafts and having to evaluate college talent. He
over evaluated average players all the time. And this Carolina
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program just brought in forty transfers. That is all, come on, man,
that's half your roster and they're not landing like five
star transfer guys. They got some good players. We don't
know much about their quarterback, Geo Lopez. He played at
South Alabama, so and he also he's using Freddie Kitchens
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as his offensive coordinator. And Freddie was an interim head
coach and ended up in the NFL being a tight
ends coach before he went to college, Like he didn't
have an NFL market, So is he going to work
at college? We'll see, nice enough guy, but like he
lost options in the NFL. That head coach thing at
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Cleveland was a mess. And they're not asking them to
be a head coach. But is he the guy is
builds personnel up to snuff. So it's what makes Deon
Sanders at Colorado so interesting, is and I am I
remember the weekend that you know, like Dion got the
job on a Thursday or Friday or something, and I
remember thinking about it that weekend and I'm like, this
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is not gonna work. He you know, he's college. Colorado
is kind of a quirky way left, you know, like
not really an athletic outside of skiing, not really an
athletic part of the country. Boulder, you know, we all
know Boulder. And it worked kind of, it got it
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sold out games, Belichick will do that. It was got
good TV ratings, Belichick will do that, but mostly lost
with good teams. And you know, the hype was real
and fun. And I still like watching Colorado with Dion.
It still gets me to a TV set, But I
have no idea how good the team's going to be.
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And I look at the scheduled, I'm like, oh, they've
got to win ten games. I've talked myself into actually
them losing to TCU. I know it's at home, but
I know what I get with TCU. I have no
idea what I get with them. Yesterday somebody was talking
to Bill Belichick and asked in the difference between college
football and pro football.
Speaker 9 (27:21):
And we've done a lot more live work here than
we ever did in the NFL at any team I
was ever wrong. So that part of it's been actually
an interesting thing to see. You know, some of the
coaches that are on our staff that've had a lot
of college experience have talked about the necessity to do
that again obviously about preseason games. It's you know, we
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do need to do and we've done it.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
So remember after two seasons of Colorado with a Heisman
Trophy winner at quarterback, you know, I mean, my bad
Travis Hunter won the Heisman, but Shitter was really good.
So with a star quarter back and the best player
in college football, Travis Hunter, they were thirteen and twelve,
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right right, So Shoulder was a say what you want
shouldar was a really good college quarterback at the most
important pay. He was a really good college quarterback and
Travis Hunters an insane o tawny level athlete potentially in
thirteen twelve, and they got doused a lot by the
good teams. And I think it's fair. You could say, well,
Belichick's a better coach. No, Belichick's better pro coach, But
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I mean Deon Sanders, pre Colorado was racking up wins
in college, How do we know that Dion's not the
better college coach than Belichick? Dion won his first college job,
won his conference, and Colorado was a mess before Dion
got there, Dion made them viable first game against the
good TCU team, or at least TCU was a good program.
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I don't know if that team was that great. So
it's a lot of unproven stuff and a lot of
I don't knows. Greg co Sales joining us Top of
the Hour Urban Meyer, who says I just read a
quote this morning that Jim Harbmarsh should be suspended in
the NFL. I'm gonna push back on that coming up next.
So Vegas rarely makes a mistake on betting lines, almost never,
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and futures they didn't make a mistake in my opinion
last year twice. I pled with you last year bet
the over on Sean Payton and the Broncos bet the
over on Washington, and we hit on both hos. I
thought those were obvious mistakes. I think they've made only
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one this year where I just think they made a
mistake and it's an opportunity for you to jump in
and make some letus on it. I think they made
one clear mistake and I'll talk about that next in
the hurt. Be sure to catch live editions of The
(30:00):
Herd weekdays in noon eastern non a em Pacific. Phil
and DJ.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Some of the biggest names in golf are teeing it
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Speaker 1 (30:21):
By the way, Indianapolis showed up in a big, big way,
huge crowds in India. It was wild to watch. Michigan
may break those records. Michigan's a great golf state, by
the way, underrated golf state. So there's a difference between
something crazy happening and a mistake. A lot of people
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struggle during COVID. A lot of businesses struggled during COVID.
Nobody can predict a pandemic, right like, it's some stuff.
Just businesses could not survive. A lot of great restaurants
just could not survive. Doesn't mean they're bad restaurants. So
Vegas does not make a lot of mistakes. Last year,
when Minnesota reeled off like fourteen wins, that wasn't a
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mistake by Vegas. That was an outlier. Nobody thought Sam
Darnold would be the best quarterback in the league for
fourteen weeks. Nobody saw that coming, including Kevin O'Connell. That's
not a mistake by Vegas. They made just two mistakes
last year. On Future Bets, they had Washington at six
and a half and I went on the air. I said, folks,
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Jaden Daniels is going to look a lot like Lamar Jackson.
He's got a lot of college starts. He's electric. And
they flushed out all those toxic people in the organization,
specifically Dan Snyder, and they bring in really really smart,
smart people. They're gonna do better. They're gonna do I
didn't think they'd go twelve and five, but I'm like,
this is they're gonna get to seven, eight, nine wins
on Dan Quinn, Cliff Kingsbury, Jade and Daniels, Terry McLaury.
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They're gonna win. That was a mistake by Vegas. Then
they had the Broncos at five and a half wins,
and I said, you've got to be kidding me, Sean Payton,
A loan's getting you the six bo Nicks has sixty
one college starts, They've got a top ten twelve roster.
I don't know how many games they're gonna win. I
don't know. I'm I'm not sure if they're a playoff team,
but they're gonna be a seven, eight, nine, ten win
They're not a five win team. So those were mistakes.
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Vegas doesn't make a lot of it. Minnesota's not a mistake.
It's just good. Hell was Sam Donold on fire for
the first fourteen weeks. Nobody knew that. I went through
all the future bets today the AFC, I think they're
right on the money with everybody. I don't think they
made a mistake in the AFC. There's a couple of
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teams in the NFC, and by the way, it's not
the Bears. The Bears are at eight and a half.
That's exactly where they should be. I think optimistically they
win nine a little less optimistically, eight wins feels about right.
They struggle in division Chicago is you know, twelve years,
I think once or twice they've had like an above
five hundred or five hundred record against their division. They
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don't beat Green Bay, and they're not as good right
now as Detroit, and if JJ McCarthy can play, they
could get swept by Minnesota. That's a good number for
Chicago's eight nine win team. That's what they are. But
here's one that I think is a glaring mistake. Seattle
at eight and a half. So Seattle went ten and
seven last year with a rookie head coach, figuring out
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how to be a head coach and creating a culture
on the fly. Gino Smith was the quarterback and the
offensive line was hutred thirty first. According to PFF. Well,
they've certainly helped solve the offensive line drafting Gray Zabel,
who is grabbing and picking up players like Chris Jones
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in the preseason. He's been unbelievable. And Sam Darnold, to me,
is an upgrade. The other thing to think about was Seattle.
They got the AFC in the NFC South, the two
weakest divisions, so they played New Orleans and Tampa and
the Colts at home. Jacksonville. They play huge at home,
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I mean Tennessee at Tennessee. I got a much better
roster than Tennessee. So it would you be shocked if
they got six out of eight games against the AFC
and NFC South. Would you be shocked if they won
six hosting New Orleans, hosting Tampa, hosting Houston, hosting the
Colts and at Carolina and at Jacksonville are not big
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home field advantages, so I think they could win six
games just against the AFC and NFC South. Also, San
Francisco is falling apart, and Seattle gets to open at
home against San Francisco. Their wide receiving corps is falling apart.
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And by the way they play the Rams in week
eleven and week sixteen, will Matt Stafford be standing upright?
We know Matt's going to be ready for the opener.
Is he going to be available? So I to me,
I hate the over at eight and a half, I
just year two of a head coach. They got the
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culture built. I mean, Sam Darnold an upgrade maybe slight
over Gino. Offensive line can't be as bad as it
was last year. And their schedule AFC, NFC South heavy
favorites in some of those games, like New Orleans at home,
and they're healthier at running back than last year. So
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you know, people say, oh, they lost DK Metcalf. There's
a reason they moved DK Metcalf. He was viewed as
a little bit of a distraction. Now there's one other team.
Now I wouldn't make a big bet, but I do
think Green Bay at nine and a half is undervaluing
the Packers. Again, they won double digits last year, and
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I'll argue that Jordan Love was not healthy the entire year.
He wasn't healthy early and he didn't look like he
was healthy late. And again, if you look at that schedule, oh,
once again you got some you got some Carolina at
home and Cleveland, and there's some very very favorable matchups.
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New York Giants, Carolina, They're just better than those teams.
So I think nine and a half, although the schedule
is tough. You know, they open with Detroit and Washington,
but they're both at home. So those are those are
tough openers, both at home, and their buys a little early,
but they do get a buy before before they host
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Joe Burrow. So if Joe Burrow is the best quarterback
you will face, and I believe he is, because they
don't play Kansas City and they don't play Buffalo. If
Joe Burrow is the best quarterback, you get two weeks
to prepare for him at home. So again that's a
little bit of a scheduling break. It's always easier you
come in and rested, you come in healthy. Yer off
the buye. I mean, we know what Brady did when
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he got the buy in Tampa. Seven and five became
don't lose another. So last year they went eleven and
six without a healthy quarterback. And by the way, they
were really young at wide receiver. They still are, but
all those guys except their first round pick are a
year older. And remember, the division has been a little loud.
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Chicago's been noisy, Minnesota been a little noisy. Detroit lost
their coordinator. So Detroit will not be as good as
last year. That is a fact. They're not going to
be as good. Chicago should be better, but we don't know.
And Minnesota is a mystery. I mean, I'm just gonna
say this. I'm going to make a bold prediction. Minnesota
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is not winning fourteen games. I'm going to go with that.
I feel strongly about that. So I think Seattle at
eight and a half, I see them as a ten
win team, maybe eleven, and green Bay nine and a half.
I just think the Packers are winning ten games. The
Jordan Love injury is non throwing hand. I don't worry
about that. I don't worry about that. Yes, the green
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Bay roster is young, but it's a year older than
last year when it was the youngest roster. So the
good thing about young rosters when players get hurt, they
will recover more quickly. That is the upside. NFL is
getting younger across the board. But young rosters heel quickly.
Old rosters do not. So John Greg Cosell, Top of
the Hour, I let's just stay with Seattle. And I
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know I'm from the Northwest, but I don't think I'm
a Northwest homer. I've banged on the Seahawks. I also think, well,
let's play a bite first. Here's Matt Hasselback. He's high
on Seattle too. Let's play the Hassleback bite, and then
we can react to it.
Speaker 10 (38:40):
People are pinching themselves like, this is the best the
Seahawks have looked in the preseason in a long while,
long while. So it is preseason, but I think you see,
like getting rid of Tyler Lockett, DK Metcalf, You're scratching
your head and then you're saying to yourself, like, what's
the plan.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Well, the plan is to be a physical, be the.
Speaker 10 (38:56):
Hammer not the nail kind of a run game and
call more runs thanes and then play great defense. Last year,
the sex didn't make the playoffs, but they were a
top ten defense in the NFL. And I think they're
they're you know, I think they're looking to and expecting
to take a jump again this year.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
So I think John between good drafts, some stuff happening
in division getting the Niners in Week one when they're
falling apart physically at wide receiver. I do think there's
these little breaks you get facing the AFC NFC South Zabel,
the draft pick, has been a monster on the offensive line.
Do you feel as strongly as I do about Seattle?
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I thought Seattle, of all the teams that have division
winning potential, have the craziest longest odds, Like you typically can't.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Get a team that had the same record.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
It's not like Day won ten games last year and
the team that won their division one fourteen or fifteen
the Rams had the same record.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Seattle wins that division last year.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
If Sam Donald doesn't make the play of his career,
you know, and then when he threw that touchdown to
the left kel of the ends up Seattle and then
in that cost you know, Mike McDonald.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Here's the other thing.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
When you get a new coach he's taking over Jacksonville, Oakland, Vegas. Right,
these teams are terrible. Pete Carroll was fired quit. However
that thing shook out. They had won nine games, and
the previous two years with Pete Carroll they had won
nine games.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Now that had fallen from where they had been back
in their heyday.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
But they were not some joke operation two years ago
or Pete second to last year. They made the playoffs
as a wild card team. So there are players on
this and they have one of the best gms in
the league. So they get a new quarterback, they get
a new offensive coordinator. Well, the quarterback and offensive coordinator
Kubiak know each other because Kubiak was on the staff
with Shanahan and San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Now their wide receivers are a question mark. I think
that is fair.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
But Mike McDonald, I think, would tell you we're going
to our defense is going to be so much better,
and we're going to run the ball. They Charbonay, the
Michigan guy that he transferred to UCLA, pretty high on him.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
I've always liked Kenneth Walker. He's got to stay on
the field.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
But running the ball, they got Jalen Milroy can bring
him in for some trick plays.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
But to me, I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
I think Seattle their roster is really really good and
getting that Niner game Week one, oh huge break. Now
it's at home, so you might have won it even
if they're healthy. But still, I mean, the Niners are
kind of in shambles right now healthwise. You know there's
no way around that. So I don't hate it at all.
I think Seattle could easily win eleven twelve games.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Yeah, so Greg Cosell Urban Meyer, Greg is coming up
right around the corner. There's a lot to talk about.
We've seen starters playing, We've seen this year's preseason better
than last year's, more high end guys on the field,
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We're in Chicago. It's The Herd. Wherever you may be
and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us
part of your day. Sean, I was sitting with my
wife last night in front of the fire, and I
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want to relay because you're a new parent. So and
in this story with the Niners reminds me of last night.
So I want to start the show. John here. I
was sitting with my wife having you know, cocktail, front
of the fire. We have six kids between us, and
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I made the analogy to my wife. We had a
little thing going on. I said, you know, honey, you
and I are firefighters, and occasionally one of our six
kids becomes an arsonist. They're just starting fires. Sometimes The
key is they don't have two or three arsenists at
the same time, So you've got to really when you
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have issues. Parenting's not about when your kids are eating
their vegetables and everybody's getting good grades and playing nice.
That's not parenting. That's like babysitting. That's easy. Parenting is crisis.
What happens when there's fire starters. What happens you got
to come in. You're the firefighter. You're putting that puppy out.
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And that's a little bit like being a quarterback in
the NFL. Everybody's good with a stacked roster. What happens.
Ask Jalen hurts, you lose your top offenive coordinator and
receiver gets hurt. Oh, that's real quarterback play. That's real
quarterback play. I mean tip of the cap to Justin
Herbert making the playoffs last year. That number one first
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round pick or that first round pick receiver Quentin Johnson
can't catch his rookie slot was his only legitimate, dependable
wide receiver and he made the playoffs. That's quarterbacking. So
the Niners this preseason are a mess. DeMarcus Robinson suspended
three games. They went and got Sky Moore yesterday. Andy
Reid bailed on him, probably not going to work a
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Russell Gage who was being counted on to help for
the injured receivers. He's now hurt. He's out for a
couple of weeks. And since twenty eighteen, with the exception
of one year, and I don't have an explanation for it.
The Niners have been top ten in injuries. A couple
of years, they've been number one. I mean, you can
only wear pads so many days, you can only practice
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so many days. I don't know what it is, but
I know this. That's that's the separator. Patrick Mahomes won
two Super Bowls and the wide receiver situation was a
mess whiffs, suspensions, drops.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I think.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I think for a couple of years, kansasit. He led
the NFL and drops as Mahomes is winning Super Bowls
by the way. CJ. Stroud last year, Stefan digs out
for the year, Tank Dell hurt, Nico Collins hurt at
one point, he's like working with a left tackle having
a bad season. And his number three, four, and five
wide receivers are his one, two and three receivers, and
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he won a playoff game, and Josh Allen win the MVP.
His number one wide receiver is a slot guy from
Boise State. That's quarterback. It's like parenting. Parenting is when
stuff gets messy. That's real parenting, all right, Parenting's not
everybody's eating their beans and get n ay's and you're
not helping with Homer's. That's not parenting. So I don't
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want to hear any excuses for brock Purty because to me,
this is the separation. The separation in this league is, oh,
your O line lost your center and right tackle Michael Pennix.
Right now in Atlanta they traded Drew Dolman or Drew
Dolman signed with the Bears, a great center, and now
they have two other offensive linemen hurt Michael Pennix. This
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is not Washington, where you had one of the top
ten O lines and a great coach. Now you've got
a defensive coach and your old lines phone apart in camp.
That that is quarterback play for Michael Pennicks, and this
is quarterback play for Brock Purty. Nobody's healthy at wide receiver,
Debo deebo leaves ay Yuke's not there yet. The guy
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you brought in to replace at least for the time
being your injured guy. He just got hurt. Kyle Shanahan
addresses the mess at wide receiver right now for the Niners,
it's pretty tough. I mean, I promise you guys.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
If it's a challenge for the fans, I promise you guys,
it's a bigger challenge for me just dealing with all this.
But you know, we haven't had the best luck this year,
down probably more guys than we've had. It's you know,
it's a tough situation. You got to keep practicing because
we got to we got to improve, We got to
be ready for the season.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
We got to continue to get better for the season.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
But it does make that a huge challenge with the
number of guys we've had down now.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I said, last year, stacked roster rock perty's getting you
to conference championships. Last year beat up, old, brittle roster,
A lot of guys hurt, won in six against playoff teams,
So the schedules easier. Kittle and McCaffrey are back. San
Francisco is going to be better. They're not going to
be won in six against playoff teams. But this is
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quarterback play in the NFL. Brock Perty went to Diowa
State that prepared him for the NFL pass rush. Second
best roster, not always the best coach. So that this
Michael Pennix and Rock Purty already between camp and preseason
up against it, real, real injury issues. And that schedule
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at Seattle for the Niners. Arizona plays him tough, Jags
Rams Bucks. Okay, I got to talk about this yesterday.
I got a text from a couple of front office people.
Yesterday the Broncos Sean Payton made a deal. You know
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how Trump wrote that book Art of the Deal. This
was Art of the steal. The Saints are delusional. They
don't realize they're going to rebuild. A year ago. Sean
Payton drafted an old receiver out of Utah. He entered
the NFL at twenty six years old. Entered the NFL
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at twenty six years old. He's now twenty seven. He'll
be twenty eight in the season. They draft him in
the seventh round and they traded him yesterday. They flipped
him for a fourth and a seventh round pick. And
the Saints are going to be bad. So that's going
to be top of the fourth and top of the
seventh art of the Steel. The kids played one year
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in the NFL. He's already older than Ceedee Lamb, so
he's probably got two to three years of prime left.
And Sean Payton knew itt. And this is what great
offensive coaching does. You find insane value later in the draft,
you make it immediately productive within your system, and then
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you sign it like a broad party or you flip it.
So they're going to get a top of the fourth
and the top of a seventh round pick for a
receiver that'll be twenty eight by December. And he knew
next year, when he turns twenty nine in a season,
you're not going to get the value for him. People
are going to go, well, he's a year away from
his prime. So Sean knew this is the time to
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move off him. You know, it's really smart. So it's
it's that Jordan Belfoort, Wolf of Wall Street. You sell
me this pen. That's what it feels like. And so
it's amazing the Saints got worked because they had Sean
Payton in the building for fifteen fifteen years that they
still got worked. But it's a great example offensive coaches
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fine value. Late niners have been in a couple times
with Shanahan, fine value late, make it immediately productive and
either sign them early to a good deal, get them
signed because you got it for free for four years,
or flip them early at the top and at Carolina,
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by the way, Carolina has a really sharp young GM,
a former player, Dan Morgan. Carolina did this last year
where they got a fourth round pick from the Cowboys
for Jonathan Mingo, who's like a number three or four
receiver in the league. They got a fourth round pick.
He's heard, he's on the ir and he had five
catches for the Cowboys last year. So in every business,
in every state business, the smart guys, the haves are working,
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the distracted and the delusional. The Saints are delusional. They're
going a rebuild. What are you doing? The Sharks eat
the minnows, the Hammers meet the nails. And that's a
great example. You wonder in your how is how is
Sean Payton made this roster? How has he made this
offensive line? Number two according to PFF in like two
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years it was mediocre, bottom third of the league. It's
this kind of stuff just knowing offensive personnel. Look what
he's done to that receiving corp and that offensive line.
The reason they can move off de von Vleight, The
reason they can move off him, talented kid, by the way,
The reason they could move off him because they've drafted
and developed and hit on wide receiver talent. So it's
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just it's just a little deal. But Sean knows the
Saints aren't going to be good. The kid's going to
be twenty seven, twenty eight years old in season in
one year. I probably can't move him. His age will
become a topic. And they get two good picks hammer
me in the nail. That is a and Mark Cleroz
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was on our show it was either yesterday or the
day before talking about how Sean Payton has just changed
the Denver culture.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
The difference between last year and this year was last.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Year we hoped we could win. This year, we know
we can win. And one of the big moves we made,
even if it was.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
A popular player, we got rid of popular players that
weren't the right guys. Guys that want to be here,
Guys that want to contribute, Guys that want to work hard,
Guys that want to sacrifice for one another.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
That's how we're building this roster. Yeah, I thought that
was when people reach out to me in the league
and they're like, whoa, it's like uninitiated. I didn't you know,
I responded, but I didn't send it out and I
was actually distracted and my phone light's up and it's like, yeah,
I mean, that's just Sean doing Sean's stuff. And we've
(11:05):
talked about this before. I don't have the stats in
front of me, but the late great Tony Gwynn is
one of the best peer hitters I've ever seen in baseball.
But you know he wasn't hitting Oral Hirschheiser in Oral's prime.
Nobody was. You got to get those hits off the
number three and four starter, the average middle reliever, the
average setup guy. In almost every business I've ever been
a part of is you've got to take advantage of
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the people that are delusional and distracted and don't put
in the prep or the work that you're not working
the best people, you're not taking advantage of great You've
got to find people that are not paying attention or
have a higher belief in reality that New Orleans makes
that move, like that's the kind of move that can
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win games now and get us into the playoffs. That's
not where New Orleans is. They're in a rebuilt It's
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The College Football Playoff announced yesterday revisions much needed revisions
to this selection process. Well, what do you know. New
metrics now for the committee will weigh to a larger
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degree strength of schedule and you'll get credit now for
beating great teams, but it will minimize the damage done
to losing the great teams, meaning the Indiana Hoosiers scheduling
Florida International, Western Illinois and Charlotte out of conference, and
the media loving the sob story of the little guy.
(13:18):
Media softer than cookie dough. It's always let's include the
little guy. Little guys don't win natties, and even in
a twelve team playoff, they don't necessarily. I mean, Indiana
never beat a ranked opponent, got dragged by notre name
in Ohio State. I thought it was a cool story.
But don't confuse cool story or good story with great team.
And this is what I said last year when Ohio
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State lost to Oregon. I predicted before the season, you're
gonna look it up. I said, Ohio State's gonna lose
close at outsin they'll meet him later in the year
and Ohio State will win it and buy for the
title potentially, And it happened. Why should Ohio State bed
for losing on the last play of the game at
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Aux against one of the best teams in the country.
That's a net positive to me. If Texas goes to
Ohio State. Ohioston has the two best players in the country,
Caleb Downs Jeremiah Smith, two best players in my opinion
in the country. If Texas goes into the shoe and
it's thirty eight thirty four and Texas is trailing and
driving for the win, twelve ten nine, ball batted down
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in the end zone. That's a net positive. That tells
me one thing. It doesn't tell me Ohio State's great.
You should win your home games in college football against
twenty three year olds. It tells me Texas is good
enough to win the Natty. If you can go against
Ohio State on the road and ball's in the air
with a chance to win. The one thing I know
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for sure is Texas is going to win its home
games and has a chance to win the national championship.
And then that's what I said about Ohio State last year.
So and the media does this and then political media,
business media, sports media inclusion above everything. How about we
start with competency. We could have inclusion second or third.
I'm not saying it's not important in life. It is,
(15:09):
but it can't lead everything. This is sports meritocracies, and
I love this. The metric now will reward teams defeating
high quality opponents, meaning schedule legitimate teams, while it will
minimize the penalty for losing to such a team exactly.
(15:31):
And that's what I've argued for years. If you're gonna
punish teams for losing to rivals like Ohio State lost
to a bad Michigan team yet won the Natty, it happens.
It's a big rivalry game. Great Alabama team once lost
to Auburn on a quirky kick return or a field
goal that was short. They returned it all the way.
You're like, what did I just see? Weird stuff happens
(15:53):
with an oddly shaped ball over three and four hours.
So no more rewarding teams for scheduling mercer. I mean
I always say this. I love Nick Saban, but he
worked the system. After about three years, they'd never do
a true road at a conference game. They always had
a buy in front of their LSU game or an
(16:15):
Auburn game, and too many mercers and Panera tech, Panera
bread tech like get out of work in the system.
Go face big teams and if you lose, if the
Longhorns lose, close competitive driving for the win. I think
more of you, not less of you. John with a
news go turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
This is the herd Line news, Okay, Colin the Steelers
obviously hits their wagon too.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
A forty one year old future Hall of Famer in
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
And Ben Roethlisberger actually has been high on the addition
and says that Rogers and DK have something special going.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
But he knows that Rogers' success will come down to
one thing. Can Aaron have enough time to throw the ball.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
And that's not a knock on the line, that's just
a question I'm going to ask, because if he can
have the time to throw the ball, you're going to
see some crazy stuff happen. We've always talked about the
question to be a lined, but it always is you're
only going to be as good as your line is
if they can give Aaron time.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Watch out. Well, it's not just that to me, John,
it's a run game because Aaron can have all day
to throw if it's third and nine and people are
bearing down on you. So to me, in a seventeen
game schedule the way to make your defense better and
your quarterback better. The one thing that ensures it, ask
(17:38):
brock Purty, is have your number one back and be
able to run the ball consistently. So line protection deteriorates
even for Jalen Hurts. If somebody brings the house, the
key is Jalen Hurts rarely has to throw now because
of the line in the run game on third and nine,
it's third and one. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I don't think anyone's been comparing the Steelers offensive line
to the mid nineties Cowboys for the.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Last I don't know decade.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
You know, one thing Ben could do is he could
break tackles and get out of things. He was kind
of like the version of Cam Newton Rogers and then
what Ben became at the end, it was hard for him, right,
and same thing with Aaron last year.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
He did not want to get hit. I don't blame him.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Forty years old Tom at the end, it's like, hey,
forty years old made a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Like what am I doing here? So that's a concern
with Stafford.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
But you know the reports I like the guy in college,
but the reports out of training camp is Caleb Johnson
been a little slow and they tried to replace levey
On Bell with Najie Harris and it didn't quite work. So,
you know, leve On Bell when their offense was really humming,
what's eight nine years ago?
Speaker 1 (18:37):
He was a big part of that, So I agree
with Ben. Yeah, I got him at about eight wins
your thoughts eight nine wins.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I think best case scenario if they have an elite defense,
which is a big question mark. They added a defensive
lineman in the first round, TJ. Watt, if he has
a defensive player of the Year type season their DBS.
You know, you add Jalen Rams, you add Darius Slay.
They already have Joey Porter's son, who's a good player.
Maybe their defense can be really good and they could
just be one of those rough and tumble ten to
eleven win teams. But that's asking a lot. I mean, yeah,
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can Aaron stay healthy? That to me is a big
question mark.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
Two.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Speaking of in the NFL, Michael Parsons and the Cowboys
have yet to come.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
To a long term deal.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
As we get closer to their Week one matchup against
the defending.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Super Bowl champion Eagles.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Despite the lack of contract extension, head coach Brian Schottenheimer
is still confident he'll have a star edge rusher available.
Speaker 8 (19:31):
I think at the end of the day, we feel
like Mike is going to be out there when we
line up against Philadelphia here in fifteen days or whatever
it is, and.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
You know, so no answers. I feel good about that. Yeah,
with the what's out of carndug extended.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I feel good that Mike is going to be out
there against the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Man, I'm glad somebody does. Other thing is he's not practicing,
So even if they signed him in ten days, he's
not ready to play. He's not working with a team.
He's not work I mean, I don't, I don't. He's
I think when you get hurt, John, is when you
sign late and you're you didn't get that three weeks
of hitting in practice, that's when you get banged up.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Well, what would be the point of giving him, you know,
one hundred and thirty hundred and forty million dollars guaranteed
and then shoving him right out there in a couple
of days against one of the best offensive lines. Do
you remember a couple of years ago not apples to
apples because the Chiefs hosted the game that the Cowboys
will be on the road, but Chris Jones wanted a
new contract. He didn't play in the game, but he
went to the game, like I do think you know
(20:33):
this saga Jerry Jones the drama.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I think everything's on the table.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
If you tell me this contract is not signed, he's
not playing in the game, But would he show up
and being Philadelphia for that opening game?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I mean it could get really weird. I mean it
already is really weird.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
But this situation, I mean almost feels a little untenable
at this point, doesn't it?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, does to me. I don't know. It's been a
weird cam Trayvon Diggs, Michah Parson's defensive side. I remember John,
this was not a good defense last year with those guys.
So it's like it's it's problematic.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Now you have a coach a little over his head too. Okay, Last,
but not least, Shador Sanders. He obviously had the great
debut with the Cleveland Browns in the preseason game, but
then he got an oblique injury and during practice.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
It's been held out the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Shador returned to practice yesterday, but Kevin Stefanski hasn't committed
to playing him in their preseason finale Saturday against the Rams.
Baker Mayfield has some advice for Shador, basically telling him
control what you can control. What's this season going to
look like with Shador not being able to play in
these last couple of preseason games and probably starting the
year as the four string quarterback.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah, if they released is it official? John? Have they
released the death chart yet? I know it's not really.
I mean there's a reason they're not doing it.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I think they're gonna do the you know, Flacco's the one,
and then Picket or Gabriel or shit Sanders and get
one of those. Here's the problem these preseason games. Honestly
when the backup, but definitely when you're the third and
fourth string quarterbacks like Gabriel and Shador Sanders, if you're
not able to play in those once the season starts,
(22:08):
you will The backup quarterback typically runs the scout team.
The third and fourth string quarterback don't do that much,
especially the four string quarterback.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
How do you get reps? He's gonna be in a
difficult position.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Now. These guys are all gonna play. I think by
the time we pass I don't know Halloween, and it's
really ugly. And Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco have both played.
But remember they drafted Gabriel before they drafted Shador Sanders.
You and I have been talking about this since the draft.
The head coach in the GM are going to play
Gabriel if they're both healthy. I would imagine before Shador Sanders.
(22:42):
We could be looking at mid to late November, before
Shador Sanders, regardless of how many quarterbacks they go through,
ever gets on the field for the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah. John Middlekoff of the News, Well, that's the news
and thanks for stopping by the Herd Line show us.
I thought it was interesting we had Mac Brown on.
The former national champion coach broadcaster at Texas Carolina had
two different stays there and he's now retired living in
(23:11):
beautiful Austin, Texas. And we had Mac Brown on yesterday
and one of the obvious questions to ask him is
how does he think Bill Belichick will do at a
program Carolina that Mac Brown knows very very well.
Speaker 8 (23:26):
Chancellor Lee Roberts has committed the football big time for
the first time in North Carolina history. They are really
wanting football to be good, so.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
They're all in.
Speaker 8 (23:36):
Bill is arguably the best coach of any sport. I mean,
you win that many Super Bowls at whatever level. The
man can coach, he can evaluate because he had to
bring in all those kids at the Patriots and now
administrators don't like to say it, but we have pro
football at some level in college. We no longer have amateurism.
(23:59):
So I do think the fact that we are much
more like the NFL than ever before will really help
build with this transition.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
And I agree in premise to that. But here's what's
really interesting to me. This is why it's so fascinating,
is if you look at Belichick his last seven drafts
in New England, where he's evaluating college talent, he was awful.
There are so many misses and so many complete whiffs
(24:29):
and so many reaches. Even in the early rounds. I mean,
from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty three, where Bill really
controlled personnel, they only drafted two players that made a
Pro Bowl. One was a punter, the other was Mac Jones,
who made a Pro Bowl because a bunch of quarterbacks
opted out of the Pro Bowl. He was a poor
(24:50):
evaluator of college talent. He didn't do well now as
a defensive coach a plus plus plus. Best ever as
a culture creator a plus plus. I'm not saying Bill's
not smart and can't do things, but when he was
controlling the drafts and having to evaluate college talent. He
over evaluated average players all the time. And this Carolina
(25:15):
program just brought in forty transfers. That is all, come on, man,
that's half your roster and they're not landing like five
star transfer guys. They got some good players. We don't
know much about their quarterback, Geo Lopez. He played at
South Alabama, so and he also he's using Freddie Kitchens
(25:35):
as his offensive coordinator. And Freddie was an interim head
coach and ended up in the NFL being a tight
ends coach before he went to college, Like he didn't
have an NFL market, So is he going to work
at college? We'll see, nice enough guy, but like he
lost options in the NFL. That head coach thing at
(25:56):
Cleveland was a mess. And they're not asking them to
be a head coach. But is he the guy is
builds personnel up to snuff. So it's what makes Deon
Sanders at Colorado so interesting, is and I am I
remember the weekend that you know, like Dion got the
job on a Thursday or Friday or something, and I
remember thinking about it that weekend and I'm like, this
(26:16):
is not gonna work. He you know, he's college. Colorado
is kind of a quirky way left, you know, like
not really an athletic outside of skiing, not really an
athletic part of the country. Boulder, you know, we all
know Boulder. And it worked kind of, it got it
(26:40):
sold out games, Belichick will do that. It was got
good TV ratings, Belichick will do that, but mostly lost
with good teams. And you know, the hype was real
and fun. And I still like watching Colorado with Dion.
It still gets me to a TV set, But I
have no idea how good the team's going to be.
(27:01):
And I look at the scheduled, I'm like, oh, they've
got to win ten games. I've talked myself into actually
them losing to TCU. I know it's at home, but
I know what I get with TCU. I have no
idea what I get with them. Yesterday somebody was talking
to Bill Belichick and asked in the difference between college
football and pro football.
Speaker 9 (27:21):
And we've done a lot more live work here than
we ever did in the NFL at any team I
was ever wrong. So that part of it's been actually
an interesting thing to see. You know, some of the
coaches that are on our staff that've had a lot
of college experience have talked about the necessity to do
that again obviously about preseason games. It's you know, we
(27:43):
do need to do and we've done it.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
So remember after two seasons of Colorado with a Heisman
Trophy winner at quarterback, you know, I mean, my bad
Travis Hunter won the Heisman, but Shitter was really good.
So with a star quarter back and the best player
in college football, Travis Hunter, they were thirteen and twelve,
(28:06):
right right, So Shoulder was a say what you want
shouldar was a really good college quarterback at the most
important pay. He was a really good college quarterback and
Travis Hunters an insane o tawny level athlete potentially in
thirteen twelve, and they got doused a lot by the
good teams. And I think it's fair. You could say, well,
Belichick's a better coach. No, Belichick's better pro coach, But
(28:29):
I mean Deon Sanders, pre Colorado was racking up wins
in college, How do we know that Dion's not the
better college coach than Belichick? Dion won his first college job,
won his conference, and Colorado was a mess before Dion
got there, Dion made them viable first game against the
good TCU team, or at least TCU was a good program.
(28:50):
I don't know if that team was that great. So
it's a lot of unproven stuff and a lot of
I don't knows. Greg co Sales joining us Top of
the Hour Urban Meyer, who says I just read a
quote this morning that Jim Harbmarsh should be suspended in
the NFL. I'm gonna push back on that coming up next.
So Vegas rarely makes a mistake on betting lines, almost never,
(29:16):
and futures they didn't make a mistake in my opinion
last year twice. I pled with you last year bet
the over on Sean Payton and the Broncos bet the
over on Washington, and we hit on both hos. I
thought those were obvious mistakes. I think they've made only
(29:40):
one this year where I just think they made a
mistake and it's an opportunity for you to jump in
and make some letus on it. I think they made
one clear mistake and I'll talk about that next in
the hurt. Be sure to catch live editions of The
(30:00):
Herd weekdays in noon eastern non a em Pacific. Phil
and DJ.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Some of the biggest names in golf are teeing it
up for the Live Golf Team Championship in Michigan. Catch
coverage of the quarterfinals tomorrow at two pm Eastern, the
semi finals Saturday at noon, and the finals Sunday at
four point thirty, all on Fox.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
By the way, Indianapolis showed up in a big, big way,
huge crowds in India. It was wild to watch. Michigan
may break those records. Michigan's a great golf state, by
the way, underrated golf state. So there's a difference between
something crazy happening and a mistake. A lot of people
(30:42):
struggle during COVID. A lot of businesses struggled during COVID.
Nobody can predict a pandemic, right like, it's some stuff.
Just businesses could not survive. A lot of great restaurants
just could not survive. Doesn't mean they're bad restaurants. So
Vegas does not make a lot of mistakes. Last year,
when Minnesota reeled off like fourteen wins, that wasn't a
(31:04):
mistake by Vegas. That was an outlier. Nobody thought Sam
Darnold would be the best quarterback in the league for
fourteen weeks. Nobody saw that coming, including Kevin O'Connell. That's
not a mistake by Vegas. They made just two mistakes
last year. On Future Bets, they had Washington at six
and a half and I went on the air. I said, folks,
(31:25):
Jaden Daniels is going to look a lot like Lamar Jackson.
He's got a lot of college starts. He's electric. And
they flushed out all those toxic people in the organization,
specifically Dan Snyder, and they bring in really really smart,
smart people. They're gonna do better. They're gonna do I
didn't think they'd go twelve and five, but I'm like,
this is they're gonna get to seven, eight, nine wins
on Dan Quinn, Cliff Kingsbury, Jade and Daniels, Terry McLaury.
(31:48):
They're gonna win. That was a mistake by Vegas. Then
they had the Broncos at five and a half wins,
and I said, you've got to be kidding me, Sean Payton,
A loan's getting you the six bo Nicks has sixty
one college starts, They've got a top ten twelve roster.
I don't know how many games they're gonna win. I
don't know. I'm I'm not sure if they're a playoff team,
but they're gonna be a seven, eight, nine, ten win
They're not a five win team. So those were mistakes.
(32:10):
Vegas doesn't make a lot of it. Minnesota's not a mistake.
It's just good. Hell was Sam Donold on fire for
the first fourteen weeks. Nobody knew that. I went through
all the future bets today the AFC, I think they're
right on the money with everybody. I don't think they
made a mistake in the AFC. There's a couple of
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teams in the NFC, and by the way, it's not
the Bears. The Bears are at eight and a half.
That's exactly where they should be. I think optimistically they
win nine a little less optimistically, eight wins feels about right.
They struggle in division Chicago is you know, twelve years,
I think once or twice they've had like an above
five hundred or five hundred record against their division. They
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don't beat Green Bay, and they're not as good right
now as Detroit, and if JJ McCarthy can play, they
could get swept by Minnesota. That's a good number for
Chicago's eight nine win team. That's what they are. But
here's one that I think is a glaring mistake. Seattle
at eight and a half. So Seattle went ten and
seven last year with a rookie head coach, figuring out
(33:16):
how to be a head coach and creating a culture
on the fly. Gino Smith was the quarterback and the
offensive line was hutred thirty first. According to PFF. Well,
they've certainly helped solve the offensive line drafting Gray Zabel,
who is grabbing and picking up players like Chris Jones
(33:36):
in the preseason. He's been unbelievable. And Sam Darnold, to me,
is an upgrade. The other thing to think about was Seattle.
They got the AFC in the NFC South, the two
weakest divisions, so they played New Orleans and Tampa and
the Colts at home. Jacksonville. They play huge at home,
(34:02):
I mean Tennessee at Tennessee. I got a much better
roster than Tennessee. So it would you be shocked if
they got six out of eight games against the AFC
and NFC South. Would you be shocked if they won
six hosting New Orleans, hosting Tampa, hosting Houston, hosting the
Colts and at Carolina and at Jacksonville are not big
(34:25):
home field advantages, so I think they could win six
games just against the AFC and NFC South. Also, San
Francisco is falling apart, and Seattle gets to open at
home against San Francisco. Their wide receiving corps is falling apart.
(34:45):
And by the way they play the Rams in week
eleven and week sixteen, will Matt Stafford be standing upright?
We know Matt's going to be ready for the opener.
Is he going to be available? So I to me,
I hate the over at eight and a half, I
just year two of a head coach. They got the
(35:06):
culture built. I mean, Sam Darnold an upgrade maybe slight
over Gino. Offensive line can't be as bad as it
was last year. And their schedule AFC, NFC South heavy
favorites in some of those games, like New Orleans at home,
and they're healthier at running back than last year. So
(35:27):
you know, people say, oh, they lost DK Metcalf. There's
a reason they moved DK Metcalf. He was viewed as
a little bit of a distraction. Now there's one other team.
Now I wouldn't make a big bet, but I do
think Green Bay at nine and a half is undervaluing
the Packers. Again, they won double digits last year, and
(35:49):
I'll argue that Jordan Love was not healthy the entire year.
He wasn't healthy early and he didn't look like he
was healthy late. And again, if you look at that schedule, oh,
once again you got some you got some Carolina at
home and Cleveland, and there's some very very favorable matchups.
(36:12):
New York Giants, Carolina, They're just better than those teams.
So I think nine and a half, although the schedule
is tough. You know, they open with Detroit and Washington,
but they're both at home. So those are those are
tough openers, both at home, and their buys a little early,
but they do get a buy before before they host
(36:34):
Joe Burrow. So if Joe Burrow is the best quarterback
you will face, and I believe he is, because they
don't play Kansas City and they don't play Buffalo. If
Joe Burrow is the best quarterback, you get two weeks
to prepare for him at home. So again that's a
little bit of a scheduling break. It's always easier you
come in and rested, you come in healthy. Yer off
the buye. I mean, we know what Brady did when
(36:56):
he got the buy in Tampa. Seven and five became
don't lose another. So last year they went eleven and
six without a healthy quarterback. And by the way, they
were really young at wide receiver. They still are, but
all those guys except their first round pick are a
year older. And remember, the division has been a little loud.
(37:20):
Chicago's been noisy, Minnesota been a little noisy. Detroit lost
their coordinator. So Detroit will not be as good as
last year. That is a fact. They're not going to
be as good. Chicago should be better, but we don't know.
And Minnesota is a mystery. I mean, I'm just gonna
say this. I'm going to make a bold prediction. Minnesota
(37:41):
is not winning fourteen games. I'm going to go with that.
I feel strongly about that. So I think Seattle at
eight and a half, I see them as a ten
win team, maybe eleven, and green Bay nine and a half.
I just think the Packers are winning ten games. The
Jordan Love injury is non throwing hand. I don't worry
about that. I don't worry about that. Yes, the green
(38:04):
Bay roster is young, but it's a year older than
last year when it was the youngest roster. So the
good thing about young rosters when players get hurt, they
will recover more quickly. That is the upside. NFL is
getting younger across the board. But young rosters heel quickly.
Old rosters do not. So John Greg Cosell, Top of
the Hour, I let's just stay with Seattle. And I
(38:26):
know I'm from the Northwest, but I don't think I'm
a Northwest homer. I've banged on the Seahawks. I also think, well,
let's play a bite first. Here's Matt Hasselback. He's high
on Seattle too. Let's play the Hassleback bite, and then
we can react to it.
Speaker 10 (38:40):
People are pinching themselves like, this is the best the
Seahawks have looked in the preseason in a long while,
long while. So it is preseason, but I think you see,
like getting rid of Tyler Lockett, DK Metcalf, You're scratching
your head and then you're saying to yourself, like, what's
the plan.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Well, the plan is to be a physical, be the.
Speaker 10 (38:56):
Hammer not the nail kind of a run game and
call more runs thanes and then play great defense. Last year,
the sex didn't make the playoffs, but they were a
top ten defense in the NFL. And I think they're
they're you know, I think they're looking to and expecting
to take a jump again this year.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
So I think John between good drafts, some stuff happening
in division getting the Niners in Week one when they're
falling apart physically at wide receiver. I do think there's
these little breaks you get facing the AFC NFC South Zabel,
the draft pick, has been a monster on the offensive line.
Do you feel as strongly as I do about Seattle?
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I thought Seattle, of all the teams that have division
winning potential, have the craziest longest odds, Like you typically can't.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Get a team that had the same record.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
It's not like Day won ten games last year and
the team that won their division one fourteen or fifteen
the Rams had the same record.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Seattle wins that division last year.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
If Sam Donald doesn't make the play of his career,
you know, and then when he threw that touchdown to
the left kel of the ends up Seattle and then
in that cost you know, Mike McDonald.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Here's the other thing.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
When you get a new coach he's taking over Jacksonville, Oakland, Vegas. Right,
these teams are terrible. Pete Carroll was fired quit. However
that thing shook out. They had won nine games, and
the previous two years with Pete Carroll they had won
nine games.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Now that had fallen from where they had been back
in their heyday.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
But they were not some joke operation two years ago
or Pete second to last year. They made the playoffs
as a wild card team. So there are players on
this and they have one of the best gms in
the league. So they get a new quarterback, they get
a new offensive coordinator. Well, the quarterback and offensive coordinator
Kubiak know each other because Kubiak was on the staff
with Shanahan and San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Now their wide receivers are a question mark. I think
that is fair.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
But Mike McDonald, I think, would tell you we're going
to our defense is going to be so much better,
and we're going to run the ball. They Charbonay, the
Michigan guy that he transferred to UCLA, pretty high on him.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
I've always liked Kenneth Walker. He's got to stay on
the field.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
But running the ball, they got Jalen Milroy can bring
him in for some trick plays.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
But to me, I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
I think Seattle their roster is really really good and
getting that Niner game Week one, oh huge break. Now
it's at home, so you might have won it even
if they're healthy. But still, I mean, the Niners are
kind of in shambles right now healthwise. You know there's
no way around that. So I don't hate it at all.
I think Seattle could easily win eleven twelve games.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Yeah, so Greg Cosell Urban Meyer, Greg is coming up
right around the corner. There's a lot to talk about.
We've seen starters playing, We've seen this year's preseason better
than last year's, more high end guys on the field,
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.