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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome into the Herd.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I'm Danny Parkins in for Colin Cowherd. Always a thrill
to be sitting in the big chair for Colin, who
will be back soon because it's football season. We made it,
though there still is plenty of drama. Tarren Armstead will
join us in just over twenty minutes.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
In an hour, I'm.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Gonna try to call Colin on the air to remind
him that Caleb Williams is good. My guess is he
won't pick up.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We got a lot of.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Things to do and starting Monday, we'll hear more about
it later. Then you expanded First things first on FS one,
thrilled to tell you about it. I'll be on from
five to six Eastern every single day, and if you've
ever watched me or listened to me, you know that
I don't love talking contracts because generally speaking, they all
get done. But the preseason ends on Saturday, which means
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it becomes game week for all these teams, which means
it's about to get real for contract talk. And I
got to admit, even as someone who doesn't like talking money,
I don't like the pocket watch aspect of it, and
the vast majority of these guys ends up signing their deals,
I have to admit that the television producer that doubles
as the general manager of the Dallas Cowboys and the
owner and apparently a star of a documentary. The documentary,
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by the way, pretty good, Jerry Jones. He's given us
some tremendous color here on the Micah Parsons stalemate. Negotiations
impass and it's getting wildly unnecessarily ugly in Dallas. But
depending on your point of view, maybe that's exactly what
Jerry Jones wants because he's just here for the soap
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op wrote the clicks, and we're feeding into it because
here we are on the biggest show, talking about the
biggest story and the biggest team and their best defensive
player who remains unsigned.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
So let's catch you up on it.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Jerry Jones, goes on Michael Irvin's YouTube show just yesterday
and he gives us a very colorful update on how
the negotiations are going.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
We wanted to send the details to the agent. The
agent soldiers to stick it up our ass. We had
our agreements on term, amount, guarantees, everything. We were going
to send it over to the agent, and the agent said,
don't bother because we've got all that to negotiate. Well,
I already negotiate that, already moved off my mark own
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several areas. It's the Mama daddy deal. You go into
mama and she won't do it, and she's the boss,
sobo she won't do it, So you run into daddy,
Daddy says do it, and then you go back in
say Mama, Daddy said it was all right.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I don't think that Jerry Jones traffics in the world
of embarrassment very often, but Jerry should be embarrassed. The
agent in question is David Moulagetta. David Mullagetta, through multiple
media sources, has put out basically, I'm not going to
do any interviews, but I did not, or did anybody
with athletes first, as agency tell Jerry Jones with the
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Cowboys to stick it with their ass.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Whatever that didn't come up.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
So David Mulligetta is disputing the use of that colorful language.
But let's just forget about the language there that Jerry
is addressing here. Jerry Jones is saying that there is
not room in the negotiation between the Dallas Cowboys and
Micah Parsons for Micah Parsons's agent. Now, I have an agent.
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I know most of you don't.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
You're lucky.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
That's the only reason we have agents is to do
the negotiation. It's the only reason we pay the commission.
Maybe it's three percent, maybe it's one percent, maybe it's
five percent, maybe it's ten percent, depending on the industry.
For Michael Parsons, it's probably in the neighborhood of one
or two percent. But the point is he pays, arguably
the top agents in football a percentage of what will
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be the largest defensive contract in the history of the
NFL to do the negotiation.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Jerry did not stop there.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Because I will get into where I think this actually
ends up here in a minute. But allegations about colorful language,
no room in the negotiation for Mikeah Parsons's agent Jerry
did not stop on his media tour with the posturing
of how he looks at the timeline and to get
a deal done with Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
We really got three years to work this thing out.
I did that with Dak and we couldn't agree. So
Dak played his last year of his contract and then
we FRANCHISEE course, ultimately we got a contract made. Dak
has paid player in the NFL, so the president is
handling it like Dak, but in this particular case, then
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Micah comes in and plays this year under his contract
and then done and it's very costly.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Okay, so no one likes math on TV, but we'll
just let's just go through some facts here for a second.
Michah Parsons is set to make roughly twenty four million
bucks this year, so at the end of that from
the Michael Irvin Show and Jerry Jones, look, if he doesn't,
it's going to be very costly. Jerry Jones is one
hundred percent correct. Every game missed by Micah Parsons is
roughly one point three million dollars. Then Micah Parsons will
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not get paid. That's just money you can earn back.
So I think Michaeh. Parsons is going to play Week
one because I think he would rather play for one
point three million dollars than not play and get zero.
It's a revolutionary thought. That's where I'm at. Then Jerry
saying really takes three years, and he's right, because there's
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this year and then they could franchise Tag Michah Parsons,
and then they could franchise Tag Michah Parsons again for
one hundred and twenty percent of what he'd be doing
to make next year. Now, the player would be unhappy,
and he's already demanded the trade and scrubbed the Cowboys
from all the social media, and frankly, that's not good
for the team to have a premium player locked into
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the salary cap because there's no flexibility. One hundred percent
of the dollars are guaranteed. You can't move it around
for salary cap purposes.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
That sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
But I absolutely believe Jerry Jones that he talks to
Micah Parsons about money, that he feels like he even
moved off of his place, And I believe Jerry Jones
that he is willing to make Michael Parsons the highest
paid defensive player in football. But here's what I also
believe that that's not good enough. That if I was
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representing Michael Parsons, I wouldn't be saying, well, yeah, I
just have to get a dollar or more on the
average annual value of than TJ. Watt just over forty
one million a year, or I just got to get
a dollar more than the largest guarantee ever for a
defensive player in Miles Garrett at one hundred and twenty
two million a year, because those guys are three plus
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years older than Michah Parsons. Micah Parsons is going to
be the highest paid defensive player ever. The question is
going to be by how much is he going to
shatter the record for a non quarterback? Is he going
to shatter the record for a defensive player? And there's
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no reason for you to get too deep in the
weeds on who these agents are. But David Mulgetta is
something of a cult like figure in NFL circles because
he's the guy who got Deshaun Watson the fully guaranteed contract,
the one hundred percent of your money contract as being guaranteed.
He's the new thing. He's the power broker in the NFL.
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He represents Jordan loves Cs and a bunch of guys.
But here's another way that I know that Jerry is
not being totally truthful in this entire thing. There are
other players on the Cowboys who are represented by David Mulgetta,
who is Michael Parsons agent. So he's been able to
get business done. So when he's talking about this agent
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wants to make a name for himself. This agent is
trying to be the big third party in this deal.
There's only room for two parties, me and Micah Parsons.
He's done deals with mullagat his agency before.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Mollie Cooker is on his team this year signed.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
And Jerry Jones, I know he likes to say that
he's the general manager, and I know he carries the
title of general manager, but no one believes that he's
scouting the Senior Bowl and grinding tape.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
On fifth round prospects. He likes it for vanity, he
likes it for ego.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Do we really think that when Jake Ferguson signed his
fifty two million dollars deal with Dallas, it was like
Jerry Jones and Drake Ferguson drinking some Johnny Walker black
and just taggling back and forth. I think it should
be twelve million a year. No, I think it should
be fourteen million a year. Now, the Cowboys negotiator dealt
with the player's agent, because that's how it works.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
So this is very old school.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
This is very If you've watched any of the documentary,
you know, good old boy from Arkansas comes into Texas,
strikes it rich with an oil well buys the Dallas Cowboys.
He bought the Dallas Cowboys for one hundred and forty
million dollars. He's probably gonna have to give Micah Parsons
more than one hundred and forty million dollars. So he
got the team for one hundred and forty million. He's
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about to give a player more than one hundred and
forty million. Jerry Jones is living in the Stone Ages.
He's living in the back in the eighties. It's just
not how it's done anymore. And so ultimately this is
all posturing, and I believe that Micah Parsons will be unhappy.
I thought the post with the Allen Iverson quotes and
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the waving goodbye and the scrubbing of the social media. Frankly,
I thought he was a little late. That's like a
millennial playbook one oh one. You scrub the social media,
you make it like, oh yeah, I'm real serious. I'm
real serious about this trade. I'm real serious about sitting
out games. Chris Jones sat out a game one. Guys
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don't sit out games anymore. There's too much money at stake.
This isn't even the EMMITTT. Smith thing from back in
the early nineties where he misses a couple of games,
signs the deal and then the Cowboys go on to
win the Super Bowl. There's just too much money. These
deals get done. So I will stay where I've been
four months on this that this is publicity for a
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new season, this is publicity for a documentary, and deadlines
make deals. And we saw with Dak Prescott, as referenced
by Jerry Jones, the deadline was the opener when he
signed that deal. I expect Michael Parsons to be playing
against Philadelphia and this is just a lot of noise.
Embarrassing noise, but noise all the same, which brings us
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to the other unsigned contracts here. Because it's a I
will admit it. This is a unique NFL offseason and
that we have three A list Tier one players.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Who are still unsigned.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Terry McLaurin in Washington, Trey Henderson in Cincinnati, and of
course has discussed Micah Parsons in Dallas. Now, I don't
think Dallas is a super Bowl contender, but they do.
Washington obviously think it's a super Bowl contender. They were
in the NFC Championship Game last year. They had Laramie Tunsel,
they had Deebo Samuel and Cincinnati knows that they've got
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a super Bowl caliber offense. And they scored enough points
last year to be a twelve or thirteen win team,
but they only scored nine because their defense was historically bad.
I mean, the Bengals had a losing record. They were
three and four in games where they scored thirty or
more points.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
So just go through these.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I think Terry McLaurin signs in the next seventy two hours.
Generally speaking, preseason will end on Saturday, they'll revisit the
big picture stuff. It'll be game week, and it'll really
be like the game two weeks because with now three
preseason games, there's more time between the end of preseason
and they.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Start of the opener.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I just don't believe that a player who has been
as consistently productive for Washington when they had no one
at quarterback is going to let them have a superstar
quarterback on a rookie deal and not get it done
with his number one receiver. Do I think Terry McLaurin
is as good as AJ Brown? No, but it doesn't matter.
He is really, really good. The guy who signs the
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deal the most recently always gets a little bumped because
the salary cap goes up.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
So I will be shocked if.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Washington takes the field Week one and Terry McLaurin isn't there.
That one is in the as close to one hundred
percent as I.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Can make it.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Jaden Daniels just came out and said he thought it
was going to get done. This one's going to get done.
Next confident would be Trey Hendrickson and Cincinnati. I know's Cincinnati.
I know they're historically cheap, but they got Joe Burrow,
they paid him. They have t Higgins, they paid him.
They have Jamar Chase, they paid him. They changed defensive coordinators,
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they used three of their first four picks.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
On defensive players. Apparently they've agreed.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
On how much money per year and how long the
deal is going to be. They haven't agreed to the
biggest part of the deal, which is the guaranteed money.
Reports are that Trey Hendrickson won three years guaranteed, Bengals
only want to do one year guaranteed. My guess is
they settle on about two years guaranteed. Trey Hendrickson has led,
He's been what seventeen sacks NFL and sacks last year,
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been seventeen sacks each of the last two years.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yes, he's thirty, but two years.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Of guaranteed money feels like a reasonable place. And I
can't imagine looking Joe Burrow in the eye and being like, hey,
remember last year when you would score thirty regularly and
we would lose. We want you to do that again.
My guess is Hendrickson gets done and then that leaves
Micah again. I think it works out. I think they
get it done. I don't think he's going to be
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in the business of giving back one point three million
dollars per year, but at some point Jerry Jones is
going to have to do what Apparently Jerry Jones doesn't
want to do, which is talk to Micah Parsons's legal representation.
This is all noise, it's all unnecessary, it's all unbecoming.
But given that we are still in the season where
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the games don't count, it is fodder and at least
we know for Jerry, not for the thirty.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
One other teams.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
I don't think anything about the Terry McLaurin contract is
because Washington wants to be in the news cycle. I
don't think anything about the Trey Henderson contract is because
they want to be in the news cycle. But for Dallas,
we have a ton of data, including Jerry Jones's own
mouth in this. In the Netflix documentary It's a soap
op with three hundred and sixty five days a year,
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Jerry Jones sees value in the drama of dragging this out.
With Micah Parsons coming on next to for Tron Armstead,
Jackson Dart looks good again. Three successful preseason games for
Jackson Dart. I think the Giants plan for now is
the right one. Can they continue it? It's coming up
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Back in on the Herd of Danny Parkins in for
on Cowhard. We'll talk Jackson Dart in just a little bit.
Caleb Williams at the top of the hour, but joining
us now five time Pro Bowler and All Pro played
for the Saints and the Dolphins. Tron Armstead with us
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on the Herd. Turan, thank you so much for the time.
And I got to say, I'm a little surprised you retired, man.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
You were awesome last year. Is this like a smart retirement?
You're you're waiting, you're waiting for.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
A team to call, you're playing hard to get or
we were officially retired.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Danny is over. It is over.
Speaker 8 (16:35):
I am happily, gracefully retired. I don't miss the physical
toll of the game. Do miss some of the things,
Don't get me wrong, some of the camaraderie the locker room.
I know, just thinking about some of the playing rides
from away games.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
But uh, I am done.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
This is the time of year where it gets tough, right.
Speaker 8 (16:58):
Training camp, man training camp series is the hardest month
of the year. You go through that grind, especially in
the two teams that I played for New Orleans Miami.
Hot humidity, swamp water, ocean water like that, that moisture
coming off is just it's a real grind during those
training camps. So twelve of those, I think that's enough
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for me.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Okay, so it makes perfect sense. Let's talk about the
Dolphins who you played with. Obviously, most recently, I've heard
from a Dolphins fan or two in my life that
says that the issue with Mike McDaniel was that the
offense became too predictable. And that narrative is out there,
you were up close and personal with it. Is there
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any validity to it? When you hear criticisms of Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 8 (17:47):
Listen, Mike, Mike. I know Mike personally and I know
his story. He's been criticized his whole life. He's had
the battle narratives and people tell him what he can
and can't do his entire life. And I think the
guy done a pretty good job at life where he
is now and it's still continuing to grow. Like the
best thing about micas he's not afraid to combat the
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narratives or fight the noise. He works, man, he works,
He's put he put his best foot forward and try
to give his guys the best chance to win. As
far as becoming predictable, I think any team have tendencies.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
We know what a team likes to do. This is
what a team wants to do.
Speaker 8 (18:25):
Now to be able to impose that wheel on a
weekly basis, that's a different story.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
But every team across across the league have tendencies.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
When Tua plays, the offense tends to operate at a
very high level. When Tua missed time, it really didn't
Is that because Tua is so good or there's a
difficulty in running that offense if you're not you know,
entrenched in it.
Speaker 8 (18:52):
To his nice bro to his nice like I've been
known to publicly speak on tool and how I feel
about it.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I think he's a special quarterback.
Speaker 8 (19:02):
I think there's very few people on earth that can
do what he do on a consistent basis. Him under
center gives the Dolphins a chance to win every game,
and when he's not there, it's a different story. And
not just to say that the offense is tailored specifically
for him, but he's able to execute those things.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Those asks at a very high level.
Speaker 8 (19:21):
Whether people want to agree with it with it or not,
it is a glaring difference.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
So what is it that people who question to it,
whether it's size, arm strength, or frankly just you know,
worried about trusting him because of the injury history, although
I know he does have a seventeen game season now
under his belt. What is it that the masses are
missing about.
Speaker 8 (19:44):
Too that you see that makes you believe I don't
think they're necessarily missing His biggest strengths and attributes his anticipation,
his accuracy, the way he's able to delivered the ball
and throw the spots before the receiver even makes his break.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
That's different.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
It takes a lot of trust, It takes a lot
of practice, but I don't think people understand his preparation
and what makes him QB one and like where it's
a difference when someone else is running the running the
offense is being able to see pressure and blitz his
pre snap to be able to know what covers were
getting before the the before the first motion or as
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Tyreek is going up from left to right across the
formation he's getting in from, He's gathering information for the
play to be successful. It takes a really long time
to be able to develop that. I was with the
great Drew Brees and he was the best at that. Him,
peyton Man and Tom Brady was the best at reading
a defense before the snap.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
So their pre snap work was hall of fame.
Speaker 8 (20:48):
And that's why those three guys are Hall of famers.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Talking to Tron Armstead, you were at the joint practice
between the Bears and the Dolphins, which I know the
reports were how physical it was, and I know you
did not come away terribly impressed with Caleb Williams. Did
anything that he did in that preseason game against Buffalo
change your concerns or you still have your doubts.
Speaker 8 (21:12):
I wouldn't say I wasn't I was unimpressed with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I definitely had.
Speaker 8 (21:16):
Some concerns, and more so what I just spoke about
his pre snap process, being able to identify his threats,
his weak points in protection where he's hot. I didn't
see that in the one practice that I saw, and
a lot of times last year throughout the season. What
I did see in Buffalo, I was thoroughly impressed from
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him and Ben Johnson as well. Being Johnson created ways
for him to find the not necessarily easy throws, but
easier reads, and he was able to hit his his
number one target, his number one objective, play in and
play out. I did see a couple of plays where
the pressure affected him and I can't say that he
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saw it before before the snap, and that's the area
I would love to see as a fan, I would
love to see Caleb Williams take that step in his
process to be able to identify what the defense is
trying to do where he is in danger. Because as
a thrower of the football, he can do it all.
He can throw on the run, he can make the
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wild passes, he can make the easy ones. So as
a thrower of the football, he can there's no question,
But it's process. I would love to see that continue
to grow and develop. And he's young, man, it's early,
but going through that progression from receiver one all the
way over to receiver three or checking out to the
running back, I would love to see that speed up.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
When you hear Jerry Jones say that there's no room
in the negotiation for a third party between him and
Michael Parsons, referring to Michael Parsons's agent, David Owagata, what's
the player And you say to that, you know, listen, man,
Jerry's different.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I don't really understand it.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
You get a player like Michael Parsons who's a general player,
generational talent and production, no off the field issues.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
You paid them, man, You paid them man. Whatever the
market says.
Speaker 8 (23:09):
He's next in line, and let's just move on to
bigger and better things. It's interesting, man, that Zach Martin
had to go through a contract dispute in Dallas, and
I believe that.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I believe Zach Martin played eleven years in the league.
He was an eleven time All Pro.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
You pay that man whatever he's asking for you, just
you send it to him and let's let's move on.
So I really don't like the fact that the Cowboys
are making it more difficult than it needs to be.
Michaeh is as a player, he's in a figure in
Dallas that you don't question.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
You pay him the market, and let's move on.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Players, fans, media, Like I imagine we all kind of
come at preseason a little differently. Players, you're in it,
and then fans and media were so starved for football
that I think we have a tendency to overreact to,
like whatever we see, what this time of year actually matters,
Like if a Bears fan is pumped about Caleb or
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a Giants fan is pumped about Jackson Dart or on
the flip side, someone's concerned about a player based on
camp reports, Like this time of year, what should we
be paying attention to?
Speaker 8 (24:18):
Is very hard as a fan to get much information
if you're not at practice, if you're not seeing it live.
The only thing you have is a preseason game, and
that's small, small sample size. So really what you want
to see is the standouts, the young guys who have
made a jump from year one to two, two to three,
That's what you want to see. In my opinion, The
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guys that are being paid the most, and the guys
that has been consistent throughout their career, you expect what
you expect from them. That expectation is high and you
expect them to be consistent. But you want to see
the guys that have taken a step that the game
has slowed down for them. You want to hear more
about who's winning those one on one battles at practice
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on a consistent bab who's really making an impact, who's
getting their hands on the ball, making turnovers for the defense,
who's scoring the touchdowns? Like That's what you want to
hear about during this window is the young guys that's
really going to bring your roster together and determine if
you have a chance to play.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
January February Football.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
The last guy I wanted to ask you about you
already mentioned Drew Brees. You played with Drew Brees, you
played with Sean Payton. Do you buy the bow Knicks
Drew Brees comp It's different, different style quarterback. Bo is
a big guy, he's mobile, he's athletic. Drew's athlete too.
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Don't get me wrong, drews an athlete. But I think
it's a different style quarterback. The similarities were more so
live within Sean Payton and his preparation. What he wants
Bo to be able to see and diagnose pre snap,
where he wants him to attack certain zones, whether it's
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man or zone.
Speaker 8 (26:03):
This is our man beaters, is our zone beaters? How
quickly can you get to those after the snap?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (26:08):
With ball in hand and his ability to make and
create plays that breakdown, that's something that wasn't Drew strength.
Drew wasn't able to be mobile and run for twenty
thirty yards and run over a corner and that all
those good things. But so it's some differences there. But
the similarities I believe were lie. The similarities lie with
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the head man, with Sean Paige.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Toront Armstead, thank you so much for joining us on
the herd Man.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
It was fun. We'll do it again. Appreciate you, Danny,
Thank you absolutely. That's Tron.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Armstead played twelve years in the NFL Pro Football Focus.
It was a top ten pass blocker and top ten
run blocker. I saw him was retiring. I was like,
you sure you do know what wain for the Bears?
Speaker 2 (26:50):
You sure about that?
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Speaking of preseason hype I though Jackson Dart looked good
and has continued to look good in the preseason, and
the Giants are just They're in a very interesting spot
to me because Jackson Dart looks ready. To my untrained eye,
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he looks ready. I don't think he looks like a superstar.
I thought, you know, he had one touchdown drive out
of the four that he played. He took a big shot,
got tested for the concussion. A lot of the production
was on yards after the catch. The touchdown throw was
pretty nice, three hundred and seventy yards in the preseason
three touchdowns. He's he's taking shots down the field. Jackson
Dart has looked unafraid, He's looked mobile, He's looked athletic,
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looked like the arm strength certainly translates all of those things.
The Giants bring in Jamis and Russ, They've got a
GM and a coach that seemed to be on the
hot seat. They have one of the best front sevens,
you would.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Say in the entire NFL.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Their defense, I think has a legit shot at being
top five. In order to be they're probably going to
need their offense to be okay so that they're not
on the field the whole damn game. But the problem
for the Giants is going to be do they get
that itch, do they get impatient? Because I think Russ
with his experience, does give the Giants the best chance
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very early in the season. The problem is very early
in the season is very difficult. The Giants schedule is ridiculous.
It is just a murderers row. And I know on
paper and it's not who you play, but when you
play him, and who knows what the injuries are going
to end up being. But I think there's going to
be a huge push to play Jackson Dart Week five
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against New Orleans. When the Giants start zero to four,
they start in Washington, in Dallas, home against the Chiefs,
home against the Chargers. Could you win one of those games? Sure,
if you've got a top five defense, you can win
games nineteen seventeen. You can grind out some ugly wins.
But then after that Dance game, Philly, Denver, Philly again,
San Francisco, the Bears, the Packers.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
The Lions.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Like through Week twelve, they easily could be two to ten,
and then there's going to be that pressure to play
Jackson Dart. And this isn't the best comparison, but it's
pretty close. When the Bears drafted Mitch Trubisky, their plan
was to sit him for a year, even though he
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was the you know, they traded up three to two.
They took Mitch Trubisky in that draft, famously aheada Patrick Mahomes, but.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
The plan was to sit him.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
They gave Mike Glennon eighteen million bucks to be a
starter for a year. Through four games, Mike Glennon led
the NFL in turnovers, and because John Fox was on
the hot seat, they panicked and they played Mitch Trubisky
and that came.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
It didn't matter. Fox ended up getting fired.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
And it didn't matter because they ended up stunting and
confusing the development of Mitch Trubisky, who needed to then
learn a new system and a whole new thing the
next year when they brought.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
In Matt Naggy.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
So, if Jackson Guard is ready, you play Jackson Dart
because he's ready, not because you need a spark, not
because you have a bad win loss record. Jackson Guard
should play when he's ready. Whether the Giants are two
and ten or ten and two, four and seven, seven
and four winless are undefeated, Jackson Dart's development matters more
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than any win, loss, record or accomplishment that the New
York Giants can have this year. So they need to
resist the urge, and Brian Dable needs to resist the
urge to say, uh oh, the.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Schedule was brutal.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Russell Wilson was throwing moonballs, Russell Wilson was taking sacks,
Jameis Winston was eating W's and we've got to lose
the record. I need to show that I'm the right
guy for Jackson Dart in order for me to.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Keep it keep my job.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
If Jackson Dart is genuinely ready to play, great. But
I'd be concerned if I was a Giants fan, because
right now you kind of backed into a good spot.
You drafted the best player available, Abdul Carter, You traded
back into the first round for Jackson Dart. He looks good,
but you know your team's not going to be that
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good right now, and so you thought you were going
to try to get Matt Stafford, even though that was
always pie in the sky. And now here you are like, Okay,
we got a good young nucleus, we got a quarterback
that we're excited about, and we just don't really know
about our coach and our general manager. Play the season out,
clean house, go get your best bets. But if Dabele
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who helps Josh Allen, helps Jackson Dart, then you're good
to go, and you're off and running. The whole key
is going to be an honest evaluation. Is he ready not?
Does he give us the best chance to win?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Not?
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Is it pressure to save the job not? Is the
backpage of the New York Post? Is Jackson Dart at
truly ready to play?
Speaker 2 (32:02):
My eyes? He looks ready.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
My guess is Russ for week one gives you a
better shot. But Jackson Dart looks.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Ready to me.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
But you can't make a decision to play Jackson Dart
based on saving Brian Daviles job that will stunt Jackson
Dart's development and do way more harm than good. Coming
up next, a little bit of running back news in
the NFL, Plus Saquon Barkley has a shot at history
this year. Call this a future headline for December. It's
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coming up The Herd.
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Speaker 9 (32:38):
Bro Is, the Elder states for the show would you
like to make the announcement.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Sure, we've announced it already.
Speaker 7 (32:45):
I know now we have.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
We didn't announce the days. Now, we didn't announce a date.
We didn't announce the time. The first is moving to
three hours. We will now be three to six pm
Eastern time. There we go. That's the big news. And
you're right.
Speaker 9 (32:59):
We did announce a time because a lot of people
are thinking, wow, three hours is gonna go two hours
and then maybe eleven to midnight.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Turns out three consecutive hours. A lot of people didn't.
Speaker 7 (33:09):
I get no consecutive hours. Announced the date and still
hasn't announced the date.
Speaker 9 (33:15):
The date, Yes, d it's August August twenty fifth. It's
still Starter Predictions Week. Guys, this is I'm disappointed in you.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I have an announced. It's a pretty buttoned up in
this segment. Yeah, this present we know the listen camera here.
Speaker 9 (33:32):
First things first, First things first, Starting Predictions Week, August
twenty fifth. It's gonna be three to six pm, three
to five pm totally unchanged. Five to six pm will
be a part of it. Danny will get a part
of it. Coach will be a part of it. Grave
will be a part of it. Maybe new friends of
the First Things, First Family. That's what's happening. Starting Predictions
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week Monday, August twenty.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
You have a good take.
Speaker 9 (33:57):
The show's over sudden death, not how were we start
with a man halfway through the tank.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
You just gotta drive him home again. That would be extra.
Everyone gets a chance.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
It is.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
If you're getting death, you get a chance to make
it take. Bru gets a chance to make it take.
Speaker 9 (34:13):
If Bru doesn't score on his take, you win the
show starting August has ever.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Needed a vacation more than this guy.
Speaker 9 (34:23):
This guy starts the mornings the grumpy and then right
before the show starts around this time of day, he's loopy.
Then I see him in the hallways snip and smelling salts,
whole thing with no idea how this three hour show
is going to be exactly so you might ends up
like runners high.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
You know, the endorphins start to pump. Yeah. See August twenty,
fifth day, can't wait. That'll be great.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
It is going to be great. And you saw my
head and just kind of pop up that little uh
First Things First post show press conference. I'm very excited.
It's kind of a pinch me thing. I think First
Things First is the best show in sports television has
the best chemistry, and I've had chemistry with Nick Right
(35:10):
for about twenty years, my best friends since college, and
it's going to be really cool to bring the arguments
that we have watching ten hours of football together on
Sundays to a national TV audience here at FS one,
and Wild's and Brew are awesome and they've.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Been so welcoming.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
So yeah, I just on a personal note, I'm very,
very excited and honored to be sitting in for Colin today,
but also the idea that's starting Monday, five to six
pm Eastern every.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Day, I'll be there.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
They're going to be there for some of it, Greg Coach,
We're gonna still put it all together and figure it
all out. But the First Thing's First universe is expanding,
and it's an honor and a privilege and a responsibility,
frankly to join the best show in sports television. So
tune in Monday three to six Eastern. I'll be dire
from five to six on one the new First Things First,
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we set a trade in the NFL, which not the
biggest trade in the world, but there's something interesting here.
The Commanders have decided that they can part ways with
Brian Robinson junior running back and go to San Francisco.
I think the team acquiring the player is more interesting
than the team giving the player away. Because of future
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six round pick, it's not much for Washington. They just
don't want to be in the business of paying a
running back going forward, given what they did with Debo
and what they're going to have to do with Jaden,
although that's still a couple of years away. Obviously, they
spend their money on Tunsel and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
The Niners.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
You know, they acquire Sky Moore, now they acquire Brian Robinson.
Brian Robinson's coming off of a career year, not the
greatest year ever. He had basically eight hundred rushing yards
eight rushing touchdowns. But they need elite running back production.
Christian McCaffrey gives them that. Kyle Shanahan gives them a
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floor of good running back production. Kyle Shanahan's track record
is insane.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
It's like Andy Reid with quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
There's seven different quarterbacks who have had their career year
with Andy Reid. Jeff Garcia, Kevin Cobb, Alex Smith, Mike Vick,
on't on down the line. Same thing with Kyle Shanahan
and running backs like Alfred Morris and Devonte Freeman and
Raheem Moster. All those guys had their best years when
they were with Kyle Shanahan, when he was calling plays,
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when it was his system. So obviously they're banking on
McCaffrey coming back healthy and McCaffrey being worth basically four
points per game when he's with the Niners and he's
playing to when he's with the Niners.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
And he's not playing.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
So McCaffrey is the engine for them, but they want
Christian McCaffrey insurance, and that's what Brian Robinson Junior provides
the Niners. If McCaffrey can't go or they can't use
them as much, they want some talent there to try
to get that high end running back production that frankly
takes pressure off Brock Party. But really it's just a
focal point of a Kyle Shanahan system. Speaking of elite
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running back production. Though, you know, Colin, does you know
tomorrow's headlines today? In future headlines, it's called one of
those two things. Call this like a December headline. Saquon
Barkley pacing for best two year stretch for a running
back in NFL history. It's a wordy headline. I'll have
to work on it. But Sakwon Barkley is an interesting
(38:27):
case study because he has both said that he wants
to be one of the best players to ever do it,
and that Barry Sanders is his favorite ever and that
when he retires he might just walk away without much fanfare.
And there's no guarantee how long he'll play. And I
know he's walked back that a little bit, like I
don't think Saquon Barkley is a year or even two
years away from retirement, but there's no guarantee that he's
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going to play forever. And if Saquon Barkley retired tomorrow,
he would not be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
To be a player who.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Does not play very long and makes it to the
Hall of Fame, you've got a stack a really incredible
resume in a really short period of time. And Saquon
Barkley is pretty close. Like he would be a finalist,
he would be considered, he would be debated.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
He had last season.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
You know, he's wonted nine guys to ever have a
two thousand yard season. He had the most rushing yards
ever when you combine regular season in postseason, and he
had over twenty eight hundred yards from scrimmage. But I
think Saquon Barkley is uniquely positioned to have the best
two year stretch for a running back ever, which currently
is Eric Dickerson.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Sakuon Barkley would.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Need nineteen hundred and nine yards this year to break
Eric Dickerson's two year record. And you look at the
guys on that list most rushing yards in the two
year span, Barry Sanders, Earl Campbell, Terrell Davis, Eric Dickerson,
all Hall of famers. It's consistent excellence. Even though Terrell
Davis was only seven years he had multiple Super Bowls,
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He had a Super.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Bowl MVP, he had an MVP Award.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Barry Sanders obviously one of the greatest to ever do it,
Earl Campbell and Eric Dickerson the same. No players even
had back to back eighteen hundred yard seasons normally off
a two thousand yard season. You you know, Chris Johnson
had a solid, I think thirteen hundred yard campaign.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Derrick Henry was.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Having the best post two thousand yard season, but he
got hurt after just eight games. A lot of guys
get hurt, and Saquon Barkley has an injury history he has.
He's coming off of a career high in carries by far.
He had nearly three hundred and fifty carries last season,
and he's got to deal with the Madden curse for
whatever you believe in that, which I don't, but you
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know it's out there. But the other piece of it
is why I'd be bullish on it, is he is
uniquely positioned to follow up a historically great campaign with
another historically great campaign because in an era of passing football,
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the Eagles are a bit of a throwback, right. This
is the passing era of the NFL. It's never been
Completetion percentage has never been higher, passing yards never been
h all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
But the Eagles, we don't want.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Our quarterback to throw at thirty times. We have the
best offensive line. Our quarterback really helps the running game
and we are going to pound the rock. And if
you look at Saquon last year, I mean he had
a game against Tampa where he had ten carries. Remember
the game against the Giants where he could have set
his record for a game, and he just sat out
and didn't play anymore. And then he obviously sat out
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Week eighteen, Like he barely creeped over two thousand yards
in the regular season last year, and he could have
shattered it.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
So I actually felt like there was room.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Obviously there was he didn't play Week eighteen, but even
in the course of the season, there was room for
him to have a better year because he is so
uniquely gifted, and they are so dominant as a running
team in an era where teams are putting an extra
corner back on the field. It's easier to run in
the passing era because of how defenses are aligned to
stop the pass. I think Saquon Barkley is going to
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break Eric Dickerson's two year record. I think he's got
a shot at the first ever at back to back
two thousand yard seasons, and I think the greatest two
year stretch in NFL history for a running back. I
think that record falls and it's something we'll be talking
about throughout the month of December.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Coming up.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Tom Verducci will join us to explain how the hell
the Brewers are doing what they're doing, which really upsets
this Cubs fan. But coming up next, we're calling Collin Cower.
He won't answer, But why Colin has been.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
I'm Danny Parkins in for Colin Cowherd. Always a thrill
to be sitting in the big chair for Colin, who
will be back soon because it's football season. We made it,
though there still is plenty of drama. Tarren Armstead will
join us in just over twenty minutes.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
In an hour, I'm.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Gonna try to call Colin on the air to remind
him that Caleb Williams is good. My guess is he
won't pick up.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We got a lot of.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Things to do and starting Monday, we'll hear more about
it later. Then you expanded First things first on FS one,
thrilled to tell you about it. I'll be on from
five to six Eastern every single day, and if you've
ever watched me or listened to me, you know that
I don't love talking contracts because generally speaking, they all
get done. But the preseason ends on Saturday, which means
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it becomes game week for all these teams, which means
it's about to get real for contract talk. And I
got to admit, even as someone who doesn't like talking money,
I don't like the pocket watch aspect of it, and
the vast majority of these guys ends up signing their deals,
I have to admit that the television producer that doubles
as the general manager of the Dallas Cowboys and the
owner and apparently a star of a documentary. The documentary,
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by the way, pretty good, Jerry Jones. He's given us
some tremendous color here on the Micah Parsons stalemate. Negotiations
impass and it's getting wildly unnecessarily ugly in Dallas. But
depending on your point of view, maybe that's exactly what
Jerry Jones wants because he's just here for the soap
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op wrote the clicks, and we're feeding into it because
here we are on the biggest show, talking about the
biggest story and the biggest team and their best defensive
player who remains unsigned.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
So let's catch you up on it.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Jerry Jones, goes on Michael Irvin's YouTube show just yesterday
and he gives us a very colorful update on how
the negotiations are going.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
We wanted to send the details to the agent. The
agent soldiers to stick it up our ass. We had
our agreements on term, amount, guarantees, everything. We were going
to send it over to the agent, and the agent said,
don't bother because we've got all that to negotiate. Well,
I already negotiate that, already moved off my mark own
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several areas. It's the Mama daddy deal. You go into
mama and she won't do it, and she's the boss,
sobo she won't do it, So you run into daddy,
Daddy says do it, and then you go back in
say Mama, Daddy said it was all right.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I don't think that Jerry Jones traffics in the world
of embarrassment very often, but Jerry should be embarrassed. The
agent in question is David Moulagetta. David Mullagetta, through multiple
media sources, has put out basically, I'm not going to
do any interviews, but I did not, or did anybody
with athletes first, as agency tell Jerry Jones with the
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Cowboys to stick it with their ass.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Whatever that didn't come up.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
So David Mulligetta is disputing the use of that colorful language.
But let's just forget about the language there that Jerry
is addressing here. Jerry Jones is saying that there is
not room in the negotiation between the Dallas Cowboys and
Micah Parsons for Micah Parsons's agent. Now, I have an agent.
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I know most of you don't.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
You're lucky.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
That's the only reason we have agents is to do
the negotiation. It's the only reason we pay the commission.
Maybe it's three percent, maybe it's one percent, maybe it's
five percent, maybe it's ten percent, depending on the industry.
For Michael Parsons, it's probably in the neighborhood of one
or two percent. But the point is he pays, arguably
the top agents in football a percentage of what will
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be the largest defensive contract in the history of the
NFL to do the negotiation.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Jerry did not stop there.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Because I will get into where I think this actually
ends up here in a minute. But allegations about colorful language,
no room in the negotiation for Mikeah Parsons's agent Jerry
did not stop on his media tour with the posturing
of how he looks at the timeline and to get
a deal done with Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
We really got three years to work this thing out.
I did that with Dak and we couldn't agree. So
Dak played his last year of his contract and then
we FRANCHISEE course, ultimately we got a contract made. Dak
has paid player in the NFL, so the president is
handling it like Dak, but in this particular case, then
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Micah comes in and plays this year under his contract
and then done and it's very costly.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Okay, so no one likes math on TV, but we'll
just let's just go through some facts here for a second.
Michah Parsons is set to make roughly twenty four million
bucks this year, so at the end of that from
the Michael Irvin Show and Jerry Jones, look, if he doesn't,
it's going to be very costly. Jerry Jones is one
hundred percent correct. Every game missed by Micah Parsons is
roughly one point three million dollars. Then Micah Parsons will
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not get paid. That's just money you can earn back.
So I think Michaeh. Parsons is going to play Week
one because I think he would rather play for one
point three million dollars than not play and get zero.
It's a revolutionary thought. That's where I'm at. Then Jerry
saying really takes three years, and he's right, because there's
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this year and then they could franchise Tag Michah Parsons,
and then they could franchise Tag Michah Parsons again for
one hundred and twenty percent of what he'd be doing
to make next year. Now, the player would be unhappy,
and he's already demanded the trade and scrubbed the Cowboys
from all the social media, and frankly, that's not good
for the team to have a premium player locked into
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the salary cap because there's no flexibility. One hundred percent
of the dollars are guaranteed. You can't move it around
for salary cap purposes.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
That sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
But I absolutely believe Jerry Jones that he talks to
Micah Parsons about money, that he feels like he even
moved off of his place, And I believe Jerry Jones
that he is willing to make Michael Parsons the highest
paid defensive player in football. But here's what I also
believe that that's not good enough. That if I was
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representing Michael Parsons, I wouldn't be saying, well, yeah, I
just have to get a dollar or more on the
average annual value of than TJ. Watt just over forty
one million a year, or I just got to get
a dollar more than the largest guarantee ever for a
defensive player in Miles Garrett at one hundred and twenty
two million a year, because those guys are three plus
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years older than Michah Parsons. Micah Parsons is going to
be the highest paid defensive player ever. The question is
going to be by how much is he going to
shatter the record for a non quarterback? Is he going
to shatter the record for a defensive player? And there's
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no reason for you to get too deep in the
weeds on who these agents are. But David Mulgetta is
something of a cult like figure in NFL circles because
he's the guy who got Deshaun Watson the fully guaranteed contract,
the one hundred percent of your money contract as being guaranteed.
He's the new thing. He's the power broker in the NFL.
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He represents Jordan loves Cs and a bunch of guys.
But here's another way that I know that Jerry is
not being totally truthful in this entire thing. There are
other players on the Cowboys who are represented by David Mulgetta,
who is Michael Parsons agent. So he's been able to
get business done. So when he's talking about this agent
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wants to make a name for himself. This agent is
trying to be the big third party in this deal.
There's only room for two parties, me and Micah Parsons.
He's done deals with mullagat his agency before.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Mollie Cooker is on his team this year signed.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
And Jerry Jones, I know he likes to say that
he's the general manager, and I know he carries the
title of general manager, but no one believes that he's
scouting the Senior Bowl and grinding tape.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
On fifth round prospects. He likes it for vanity, he
likes it for ego.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Do we really think that when Jake Ferguson signed his
fifty two million dollars deal with Dallas, it was like
Jerry Jones and Drake Ferguson drinking some Johnny Walker black
and just taggling back and forth. I think it should
be twelve million a year. No, I think it should
be fourteen million a year. Now, the Cowboys negotiator dealt
with the player's agent, because that's how it works.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
So this is very old school.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
This is very If you've watched any of the documentary,
you know, good old boy from Arkansas comes into Texas,
strikes it rich with an oil well buys the Dallas Cowboys.
He bought the Dallas Cowboys for one hundred and forty
million dollars. He's probably gonna have to give Micah Parsons
more than one hundred and forty million dollars. So he
got the team for one hundred and forty million. He's
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about to give a player more than one hundred and
forty million. Jerry Jones is living in the Stone Ages.
He's living in the back in the eighties. It's just
not how it's done anymore. And so ultimately this is
all posturing, and I believe that Micah Parsons will be unhappy.
I thought the post with the Allen Iverson quotes and
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the waving goodbye and the scrubbing of the social media. Frankly,
I thought he was a little late. That's like a
millennial playbook one oh one. You scrub the social media,
you make it like, oh yeah, I'm real serious. I'm
real serious about this trade. I'm real serious about sitting
out games. Chris Jones sat out a game one. Guys
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don't sit out games anymore. There's too much money at stake.
This isn't even the EMMITTT. Smith thing from back in
the early nineties where he misses a couple of games,
signs the deal and then the Cowboys go on to
win the Super Bowl. There's just too much money. These
deals get done. So I will stay where I've been
four months on this that this is publicity for a
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new season, this is publicity for a documentary, and deadlines
make deals. And we saw with Dak Prescott, as referenced
by Jerry Jones, the deadline was the opener when he
signed that deal. I expect Michael Parsons to be playing
against Philadelphia and this is just a lot of noise.
Embarrassing noise, but noise all the same, which brings us
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to the other unsigned contracts here. Because it's a I
will admit it. This is a unique NFL offseason and
that we have three A list Tier one players.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Who are still unsigned.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Terry McLaurin in Washington, Trey Henderson in Cincinnati, and of
course has discussed Micah Parsons in Dallas. Now, I don't
think Dallas is a super Bowl contender, but they do.
Washington obviously think it's a super Bowl contender. They were
in the NFC Championship Game last year. They had Laramie Tunsel,
they had Deebo Samuel and Cincinnati knows that they've got
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a super Bowl caliber offense. And they scored enough points
last year to be a twelve or thirteen win team,
but they only scored nine because their defense was historically bad.
I mean, the Bengals had a losing record. They were
three and four in games where they scored thirty or
more points.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
So just go through these.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I think Terry McLaurin signs in the next seventy two hours.
Generally speaking, preseason will end on Saturday, they'll revisit the
big picture stuff. It'll be game week, and it'll really
be like the game two weeks because with now three
preseason games, there's more time between the end of preseason
and they.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Start of the opener.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I just don't believe that a player who has been
as consistently productive for Washington when they had no one
at quarterback is going to let them have a superstar
quarterback on a rookie deal and not get it done
with his number one receiver. Do I think Terry McLaurin
is as good as AJ Brown? No, but it doesn't matter.
He is really, really good. The guy who signs the
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deal the most recently always gets a little bumped because
the salary cap goes up.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
So I will be shocked if.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Washington takes the field Week one and Terry McLaurin isn't there.
That one is in the as close to one hundred
percent as I.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Can make it.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Jaden Daniels just came out and said he thought it
was going to get done. This one's going to get done.
Next confident would be Trey Hendrickson and Cincinnati. I know's Cincinnati.
I know they're historically cheap, but they got Joe Burrow,
they paid him. They have t Higgins, they paid him.
They have Jamar Chase, they paid him. They changed defensive coordinators,
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they used three of their first four picks.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
On defensive players. Apparently they've agreed.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
On how much money per year and how long the
deal is going to be. They haven't agreed to the
biggest part of the deal, which is the guaranteed money.
Reports are that Trey Hendrickson won three years guaranteed, Bengals
only want to do one year guaranteed. My guess is
they settle on about two years guaranteed. Trey Hendrickson has led,
He's been what seventeen sacks NFL and sacks last year,
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been seventeen sacks each of the last two years.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yes, he's thirty, but two years.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Of guaranteed money feels like a reasonable place. And I
can't imagine looking Joe Burrow in the eye and being like, hey,
remember last year when you would score thirty regularly and
we would lose. We want you to do that again.
My guess is Hendrickson gets done and then that leaves
Micah again. I think it works out. I think they
get it done. I don't think he's going to be
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in the business of giving back one point three million
dollars per year, but at some point Jerry Jones is
going to have to do what Apparently Jerry Jones doesn't
want to do, which is talk to Micah Parsons's legal representation.
This is all noise, it's all unnecessary, it's all unbecoming.
But given that we are still in the season where
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the games don't count, it is fodder and at least
we know for Jerry, not for the thirty.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
One other teams.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
I don't think anything about the Terry McLaurin contract is
because Washington wants to be in the news cycle. I
don't think anything about the Trey Henderson contract is because
they want to be in the news cycle. But for Dallas,
we have a ton of data, including Jerry Jones's own
mouth in this. In the Netflix documentary It's a soap
op with three hundred and sixty five days a year,
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Jerry Jones sees value in the drama of dragging this out.
With Micah Parsons coming on next to for Tron Armstead,
Jackson Dart looks good again. Three successful preseason games for
Jackson Dart. I think the Giants plan for now is
the right one. Can they continue it? It's coming up
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Speaker 3 (15:56):
Back in on the Herd of Danny Parkins in for
on Cowhard. We'll talk Jackson Dart in just a little bit.
Caleb Williams at the top of the hour, but joining
us now five time Pro Bowler and All Pro played
for the Saints and the Dolphins. Tron Armstead with us
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on the Herd. Turan, thank you so much for the time.
And I got to say, I'm a little surprised you retired, man.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
You were awesome last year. Is this like a smart retirement?
You're you're waiting, you're waiting for.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
A team to call, you're playing hard to get or
we were officially retired.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Danny is over. It is over.
Speaker 8 (16:35):
I am happily, gracefully retired. I don't miss the physical
toll of the game. Do miss some of the things,
Don't get me wrong, some of the camaraderie the locker room.
I know, just thinking about some of the playing rides
from away games.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
But uh, I am done.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
This is the time of year where it gets tough, right.
Speaker 8 (16:58):
Training camp, man training camp series is the hardest month
of the year. You go through that grind, especially in
the two teams that I played for New Orleans Miami.
Hot humidity, swamp water, ocean water like that, that moisture
coming off is just it's a real grind during those
training camps. So twelve of those, I think that's enough
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for me.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Okay, so it makes perfect sense. Let's talk about the
Dolphins who you played with. Obviously, most recently, I've heard
from a Dolphins fan or two in my life that
says that the issue with Mike McDaniel was that the
offense became too predictable. And that narrative is out there,
you were up close and personal with it. Is there
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any validity to it? When you hear criticisms of Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 8 (17:47):
Listen, Mike, Mike. I know Mike personally and I know
his story. He's been criticized his whole life. He's had
the battle narratives and people tell him what he can
and can't do his entire life. And I think the
guy done a pretty good job at life where he
is now and it's still continuing to grow. Like the
best thing about micas he's not afraid to combat the
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narratives or fight the noise. He works, man, he works,
He's put he put his best foot forward and try
to give his guys the best chance to win. As
far as becoming predictable, I think any team have tendencies.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
We know what a team likes to do. This is
what a team wants to do.
Speaker 8 (18:25):
Now to be able to impose that wheel on a
weekly basis, that's a different story.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
But every team across across the league have tendencies.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
When Tua plays, the offense tends to operate at a
very high level. When Tua missed time, it really didn't
Is that because Tua is so good or there's a
difficulty in running that offense if you're not you know,
entrenched in it.
Speaker 8 (18:52):
To his nice bro to his nice like I've been
known to publicly speak on tool and how I feel
about it.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I think he's a special quarterback.
Speaker 8 (19:02):
I think there's very few people on earth that can
do what he do on a consistent basis. Him under
center gives the Dolphins a chance to win every game,
and when he's not there, it's a different story. And
not just to say that the offense is tailored specifically
for him, but he's able to execute those things.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Those asks at a very high level.
Speaker 8 (19:21):
Whether people want to agree with it with it or not,
it is a glaring difference.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
So what is it that people who question to it,
whether it's size, arm strength, or frankly just you know,
worried about trusting him because of the injury history, although
I know he does have a seventeen game season now
under his belt. What is it that the masses are
missing about.
Speaker 8 (19:44):
Too that you see that makes you believe I don't
think they're necessarily missing His biggest strengths and attributes his anticipation,
his accuracy, the way he's able to delivered the ball
and throw the spots before the receiver even makes his break.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
That's different.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
It takes a lot of trust, It takes a lot
of practice, but I don't think people understand his preparation
and what makes him QB one and like where it's
a difference when someone else is running the running the
offense is being able to see pressure and blitz his
pre snap to be able to know what covers were
getting before the the before the first motion or as
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Tyreek is going up from left to right across the
formation he's getting in from, He's gathering information for the
play to be successful. It takes a really long time
to be able to develop that. I was with the
great Drew Brees and he was the best at that. Him,
peyton Man and Tom Brady was the best at reading
a defense before the snap.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
So their pre snap work was hall of fame.
Speaker 8 (20:48):
And that's why those three guys are Hall of famers.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Talking to Tron Armstead, you were at the joint practice
between the Bears and the Dolphins, which I know the
reports were how physical it was, and I know you
did not come away terribly impressed with Caleb Williams. Did
anything that he did in that preseason game against Buffalo
change your concerns or you still have your doubts.
Speaker 8 (21:12):
I wouldn't say I wasn't I was unimpressed with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I definitely had.
Speaker 8 (21:16):
Some concerns, and more so what I just spoke about
his pre snap process, being able to identify his threats,
his weak points in protection where he's hot. I didn't
see that in the one practice that I saw, and
a lot of times last year throughout the season. What
I did see in Buffalo, I was thoroughly impressed from
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him and Ben Johnson as well. Being Johnson created ways
for him to find the not necessarily easy throws, but
easier reads, and he was able to hit his his
number one target, his number one objective, play in and
play out. I did see a couple of plays where
the pressure affected him and I can't say that he
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saw it before before the snap, and that's the area
I would love to see as a fan, I would
love to see Caleb Williams take that step in his
process to be able to identify what the defense is
trying to do where he is in danger. Because as
a thrower of the football, he can do it all.
He can throw on the run, he can make the
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wild passes, he can make the easy ones. So as
a thrower of the football, he can there's no question,
But it's process. I would love to see that continue
to grow and develop. And he's young, man, it's early,
but going through that progression from receiver one all the
way over to receiver three or checking out to the
running back, I would love to see that speed up.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
When you hear Jerry Jones say that there's no room
in the negotiation for a third party between him and
Michael Parsons, referring to Michael Parsons's agent, David Owagata, what's
the player And you say to that, you know, listen, man,
Jerry's different.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I don't really understand it.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
You get a player like Michael Parsons who's a general player,
generational talent and production, no off the field issues.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
You paid them, man, You paid them man. Whatever the
market says.
Speaker 8 (23:09):
He's next in line, and let's just move on to
bigger and better things. It's interesting, man, that Zach Martin
had to go through a contract dispute in Dallas, and
I believe that.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I believe Zach Martin played eleven years in the league.
He was an eleven time All Pro.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
You pay that man whatever he's asking for you, just
you send it to him and let's let's move on.
So I really don't like the fact that the Cowboys
are making it more difficult than it needs to be.
Michaeh is as a player, he's in a figure in
Dallas that you don't question.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
You pay him the market, and let's move on.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Players, fans, media, Like I imagine we all kind of
come at preseason a little differently. Players, you're in it,
and then fans and media were so starved for football
that I think we have a tendency to overreact to,
like whatever we see, what this time of year actually matters,
Like if a Bears fan is pumped about Caleb or
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a Giants fan is pumped about Jackson Dart or on
the flip side, someone's concerned about a player based on
camp reports, Like this time of year, what should we
be paying attention to?
Speaker 8 (24:18):
Is very hard as a fan to get much information
if you're not at practice, if you're not seeing it live.
The only thing you have is a preseason game, and
that's small, small sample size. So really what you want
to see is the standouts, the young guys who have
made a jump from year one to two, two to three,
That's what you want to see. In my opinion, The
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guys that are being paid the most, and the guys
that has been consistent throughout their career, you expect what
you expect from them. That expectation is high and you
expect them to be consistent. But you want to see
the guys that have taken a step that the game
has slowed down for them. You want to hear more
about who's winning those one on one battles at practice
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on a consistent bab who's really making an impact, who's
getting their hands on the ball, making turnovers for the defense,
who's scoring the touchdowns? Like That's what you want to
hear about during this window is the young guys that's
really going to bring your roster together and determine if
you have a chance to play.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
January February Football.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
The last guy I wanted to ask you about you
already mentioned Drew Brees. You played with Drew Brees, you
played with Sean Payton. Do you buy the bow Knicks
Drew Brees comp It's different, different style quarterback. Bo is
a big guy, he's mobile, he's athletic. Drew's athlete too.
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Don't get me wrong, drews an athlete. But I think
it's a different style quarterback. The similarities were more so
live within Sean Payton and his preparation. What he wants
Bo to be able to see and diagnose pre snap,
where he wants him to attack certain zones, whether it's
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man or zone.
Speaker 8 (26:03):
This is our man beaters, is our zone beaters? How
quickly can you get to those after the snap?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (26:08):
With ball in hand and his ability to make and
create plays that breakdown, that's something that wasn't Drew strength.
Drew wasn't able to be mobile and run for twenty
thirty yards and run over a corner and that all
those good things. But so it's some differences there. But
the similarities I believe were lie. The similarities lie with
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the head man, with Sean Paige.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Toront Armstead, thank you so much for joining us on
the herd Man.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
It was fun. We'll do it again. Appreciate you, Danny,
Thank you absolutely. That's Tron.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Armstead played twelve years in the NFL Pro Football Focus.
It was a top ten pass blocker and top ten
run blocker. I saw him was retiring. I was like,
you sure you do know what wain for the Bears?
Speaker 2 (26:50):
You sure about that?
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Speaking of preseason hype I though Jackson Dart looked good
and has continued to look good in the preseason, and
the Giants are just They're in a very interesting spot
to me because Jackson Dart looks ready. To my untrained eye,
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he looks ready. I don't think he looks like a superstar.
I thought, you know, he had one touchdown drive out
of the four that he played. He took a big shot,
got tested for the concussion. A lot of the production
was on yards after the catch. The touchdown throw was
pretty nice, three hundred and seventy yards in the preseason
three touchdowns. He's he's taking shots down the field. Jackson
Dart has looked unafraid, He's looked mobile, He's looked athletic,
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looked like the arm strength certainly translates all of those things.
The Giants bring in Jamis and Russ, They've got a
GM and a coach that seemed to be on the
hot seat. They have one of the best front sevens,
you would.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Say in the entire NFL.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Their defense, I think has a legit shot at being
top five. In order to be they're probably going to
need their offense to be okay so that they're not
on the field the whole damn game. But the problem
for the Giants is going to be do they get
that itch, do they get impatient? Because I think Russ
with his experience, does give the Giants the best chance
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very early in the season. The problem is very early
in the season is very difficult. The Giants schedule is ridiculous.
It is just a murderers row. And I know on
paper and it's not who you play, but when you
play him, and who knows what the injuries are going
to end up being. But I think there's going to
be a huge push to play Jackson Dart Week five
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against New Orleans. When the Giants start zero to four,
they start in Washington, in Dallas, home against the Chiefs,
home against the Chargers. Could you win one of those games? Sure,
if you've got a top five defense, you can win
games nineteen seventeen. You can grind out some ugly wins.
But then after that Dance game, Philly, Denver, Philly again,
San Francisco, the Bears, the Packers.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
The Lions.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Like through Week twelve, they easily could be two to ten,
and then there's going to be that pressure to play
Jackson Dart. And this isn't the best comparison, but it's
pretty close. When the Bears drafted Mitch Trubisky, their plan
was to sit him for a year, even though he
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was the you know, they traded up three to two.
They took Mitch Trubisky in that draft, famously aheada Patrick Mahomes, but.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
The plan was to sit him.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
They gave Mike Glennon eighteen million bucks to be a
starter for a year. Through four games, Mike Glennon led
the NFL in turnovers, and because John Fox was on
the hot seat, they panicked and they played Mitch Trubisky
and that came.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
It didn't matter. Fox ended up getting fired.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
And it didn't matter because they ended up stunting and
confusing the development of Mitch Trubisky, who needed to then
learn a new system and a whole new thing the
next year when they brought.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
In Matt Naggy.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
So, if Jackson Guard is ready, you play Jackson Dart
because he's ready, not because you need a spark, not
because you have a bad win loss record. Jackson Guard
should play when he's ready. Whether the Giants are two
and ten or ten and two, four and seven, seven
and four winless are undefeated, Jackson Dart's development matters more
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than any win, loss, record or accomplishment that the New
York Giants can have this year. So they need to
resist the urge, and Brian Dable needs to resist the
urge to say, uh oh, the.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Schedule was brutal.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Russell Wilson was throwing moonballs, Russell Wilson was taking sacks,
Jameis Winston was eating W's and we've got to lose
the record. I need to show that I'm the right
guy for Jackson Dart in order for me to.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Keep it keep my job.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
If Jackson Dart is genuinely ready to play, great. But
I'd be concerned if I was a Giants fan, because
right now you kind of backed into a good spot.
You drafted the best player available, Abdul Carter, You traded
back into the first round for Jackson Dart. He looks good,
but you know your team's not going to be that
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good right now, and so you thought you were going
to try to get Matt Stafford, even though that was
always pie in the sky. And now here you are like, Okay,
we got a good young nucleus, we got a quarterback
that we're excited about, and we just don't really know
about our coach and our general manager. Play the season out,
clean house, go get your best bets. But if Dabele
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who helps Josh Allen, helps Jackson Dart, then you're good
to go, and you're off and running. The whole key
is going to be an honest evaluation. Is he ready not?
Does he give us the best chance to win?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Not?
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Is it pressure to save the job not? Is the
backpage of the New York Post? Is Jackson Dart at
truly ready to play?
Speaker 2 (32:02):
My eyes? He looks ready.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
My guess is Russ for week one gives you a
better shot. But Jackson Dart looks.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Ready to me.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
But you can't make a decision to play Jackson Dart
based on saving Brian Daviles job that will stunt Jackson
Dart's development and do way more harm than good. Coming
up next, a little bit of running back news in
the NFL, Plus Saquon Barkley has a shot at history
this year. Call this a future headline for December. It's
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coming up The Herd.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Speaker 9 (32:38):
Bro Is, the Elder states for the show would you
like to make the announcement.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Sure, we've announced it already.
Speaker 7 (32:45):
I know now we have.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
We didn't announce the days. Now, we didn't announce a date.
We didn't announce the time. The first is moving to
three hours. We will now be three to six pm
Eastern time. There we go. That's the big news. And
you're right.
Speaker 9 (32:59):
We did announce a time because a lot of people
are thinking, wow, three hours is gonna go two hours
and then maybe eleven to midnight.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Turns out three consecutive hours. A lot of people didn't.
Speaker 7 (33:09):
I get no consecutive hours. Announced the date and still
hasn't announced the date.
Speaker 9 (33:15):
The date, Yes, d it's August August twenty fifth. It's
still Starter Predictions Week. Guys, this is I'm disappointed in you.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I have an announced. It's a pretty buttoned up in
this segment. Yeah, this present we know the listen camera here.
Speaker 9 (33:32):
First things first, First things first, Starting Predictions Week, August
twenty fifth. It's gonna be three to six pm, three
to five pm totally unchanged. Five to six pm will
be a part of it. Danny will get a part
of it. Coach will be a part of it. Grave
will be a part of it. Maybe new friends of
the First Things, First Family. That's what's happening. Starting Predictions
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week Monday, August twenty.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
You have a good take.
Speaker 9 (33:57):
The show's over sudden death, not how were we start
with a man halfway through the tank.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
You just gotta drive him home again. That would be extra.
Everyone gets a chance.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
It is.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
If you're getting death, you get a chance to make
it take. Bru gets a chance to make it take.
Speaker 9 (34:13):
If Bru doesn't score on his take, you win the
show starting August has ever.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Needed a vacation more than this guy.
Speaker 9 (34:23):
This guy starts the mornings the grumpy and then right
before the show starts around this time of day, he's loopy.
Then I see him in the hallways snip and smelling salts,
whole thing with no idea how this three hour show
is going to be exactly so you might ends up
like runners high.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
You know, the endorphins start to pump. Yeah. See August twenty,
fifth day, can't wait. That'll be great.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
It is going to be great. And you saw my
head and just kind of pop up that little uh
First Things First post show press conference. I'm very excited.
It's kind of a pinch me thing. I think First
Things First is the best show in sports television has
the best chemistry, and I've had chemistry with Nick Right
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for about twenty years, my best friends since college, and
it's going to be really cool to bring the arguments
that we have watching ten hours of football together on
Sundays to a national TV audience here at FS one,
and Wild's and Brew are awesome and they've.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Been so welcoming.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
So yeah, I just on a personal note, I'm very,
very excited and honored to be sitting in for Colin today,
but also the idea that's starting Monday, five to six
pm Eastern every.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Day, I'll be there.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
They're going to be there for some of it, Greg Coach,
We're gonna still put it all together and figure it
all out. But the First Thing's First universe is expanding,
and it's an honor and a privilege and a responsibility,
frankly to join the best show in sports television. So
tune in Monday three to six Eastern. I'll be dire
from five to six on one the new First Things First,
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we set a trade in the NFL, which not the
biggest trade in the world, but there's something interesting here.
The Commanders have decided that they can part ways with
Brian Robinson junior running back and go to San Francisco.
I think the team acquiring the player is more interesting
than the team giving the player away. Because of future
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six round pick, it's not much for Washington. They just
don't want to be in the business of paying a
running back going forward, given what they did with Debo
and what they're going to have to do with Jaden,
although that's still a couple of years away. Obviously, they
spend their money on Tunsel and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
The Niners.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
You know, they acquire Sky Moore, now they acquire Brian Robinson.
Brian Robinson's coming off of a career year, not the
greatest year ever. He had basically eight hundred rushing yards
eight rushing touchdowns. But they need elite running back production.
Christian McCaffrey gives them that. Kyle Shanahan gives them a
(36:58):
floor of good running back production. Kyle Shanahan's track record
is insane.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
It's like Andy Reid with quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
There's seven different quarterbacks who have had their career year
with Andy Reid. Jeff Garcia, Kevin Cobb, Alex Smith, Mike Vick,
on't on down the line. Same thing with Kyle Shanahan
and running backs like Alfred Morris and Devonte Freeman and
Raheem Moster. All those guys had their best years when
they were with Kyle Shanahan, when he was calling plays,
(37:29):
when it was his system. So obviously they're banking on
McCaffrey coming back healthy and McCaffrey being worth basically four
points per game when he's with the Niners and he's
playing to when he's with the Niners.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
And he's not playing.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
So McCaffrey is the engine for them, but they want
Christian McCaffrey insurance, and that's what Brian Robinson Junior provides
the Niners. If McCaffrey can't go or they can't use
them as much, they want some talent there to try
to get that high end running back production that frankly
takes pressure off Brock Party. But really it's just a
focal point of a Kyle Shanahan system. Speaking of elite
(38:03):
running back production. Though, you know, Colin, does you know
tomorrow's headlines today? In future headlines, it's called one of
those two things. Call this like a December headline. Saquon
Barkley pacing for best two year stretch for a running
back in NFL history. It's a wordy headline. I'll have
to work on it. But Sakwon Barkley is an interesting
(38:27):
case study because he has both said that he wants
to be one of the best players to ever do it,
and that Barry Sanders is his favorite ever and that
when he retires he might just walk away without much fanfare.
And there's no guarantee how long he'll play. And I
know he's walked back that a little bit, like I
don't think Saquon Barkley is a year or even two
years away from retirement, but there's no guarantee that he's
(38:49):
going to play forever. And if Saquon Barkley retired tomorrow,
he would not be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
To be a player who.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Does not play very long and makes it to the
Hall of Fame, you've got a stack a really incredible
resume in a really short period of time. And Saquon
Barkley is pretty close. Like he would be a finalist,
he would be considered, he would be debated.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
He had last season.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
You know, he's wonted nine guys to ever have a
two thousand yard season. He had the most rushing yards
ever when you combine regular season in postseason, and he
had over twenty eight hundred yards from scrimmage. But I
think Saquon Barkley is uniquely positioned to have the best
two year stretch for a running back ever, which currently
is Eric Dickerson.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Sakuon Barkley would.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Need nineteen hundred and nine yards this year to break
Eric Dickerson's two year record. And you look at the
guys on that list most rushing yards in the two
year span, Barry Sanders, Earl Campbell, Terrell Davis, Eric Dickerson,
all Hall of famers. It's consistent excellence. Even though Terrell
Davis was only seven years he had multiple Super Bowls,
(39:57):
He had a Super.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Bowl MVP, he had an MVP Award.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Barry Sanders obviously one of the greatest to ever do it,
Earl Campbell and Eric Dickerson the same. No players even
had back to back eighteen hundred yard seasons normally off
a two thousand yard season. You you know, Chris Johnson
had a solid, I think thirteen hundred yard campaign.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Derrick Henry was.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Having the best post two thousand yard season, but he
got hurt after just eight games. A lot of guys
get hurt, and Saquon Barkley has an injury history he has.
He's coming off of a career high in carries by far.
He had nearly three hundred and fifty carries last season,
and he's got to deal with the Madden curse for
whatever you believe in that, which I don't, but you
(40:42):
know it's out there. But the other piece of it
is why I'd be bullish on it, is he is
uniquely positioned to follow up a historically great campaign with
another historically great campaign because in an era of passing football,
(41:02):
the Eagles are a bit of a throwback, right. This
is the passing era of the NFL. It's never been
Completetion percentage has never been higher, passing yards never been
h all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
But the Eagles, we don't want.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Our quarterback to throw at thirty times. We have the
best offensive line. Our quarterback really helps the running game
and we are going to pound the rock. And if
you look at Saquon last year, I mean he had
a game against Tampa where he had ten carries. Remember
the game against the Giants where he could have set
his record for a game, and he just sat out
and didn't play anymore. And then he obviously sat out
(41:35):
Week eighteen, Like he barely creeped over two thousand yards
in the regular season last year, and he could have
shattered it.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
So I actually felt like there was room.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Obviously there was he didn't play Week eighteen, but even
in the course of the season, there was room for
him to have a better year because he is so
uniquely gifted, and they are so dominant as a running
team in an era where teams are putting an extra
corner back on the field. It's easier to run in
the passing era because of how defenses are aligned to
stop the pass. I think Saquon Barkley is going to
(42:07):
break Eric Dickerson's two year record. I think he's got
a shot at the first ever at back to back
two thousand yard seasons, and I think the greatest two
year stretch in NFL history for a running back. I
think that record falls and it's something we'll be talking
about throughout the month of December.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Coming up.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Tom Verducci will join us to explain how the hell
the Brewers are doing what they're doing, which really upsets
this Cubs fan. But coming up next, we're calling Collin Cower.
He won't answer, But why Colin has been.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
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