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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, a beautiful Thursday here on the
Herd out in sunny Los Angeles. It's meat Jason McIntyre
barely surviving. I mean, geez are coming for the online
Rachel with picks and feathers.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Whatever they say, whatever they say, They're coming after me.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
But I'm still surviving.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
Then, Rachel.
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We got a pretty kids.
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A lot going on, There is a lot.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
We are one week exactly, one week from today NFL season.
We get Packers, Not Packers, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
We get Eagles, Yeah, and caw and Cowboys. Oh it's he.
Speaker 6 (01:04):
Is there anything I on with the capital?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
You know, let's just dive right into that, shall we remember?
We are one week away from the start of the
NFL season, and a week from today it's Eagles, Cowboys
and the Eagles are defending champs, they got the best
roster in the league. They're stacked, and nobody is talking
about them for some reason. It's all about the Dallas Cowboys.
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Jerry Jones likes.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
It that way.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
He loves it that way. By the way, do you
guys remember what happened last year in the Eagles Cowboys games?
They met twice. Now dak missed both games. Well, let
me just check here, Okay, thirty four to six was
the first one that was Eagles winning, and then it
was forty one seven.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Jalen Hurts satokancussion did not play.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
So it's a little early for math, but I'm not
seventy five to thirteen. The Eagles smoked the Cowboys last year.
It was not competitive in any way, shape or form.
Yet the media remains obsessed with the wretched whoebegone Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Why would that be? Well, wouldn't you know it? But
yesterday Michaeh.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Parsons, their star holdout hold in I don't know, showed
up at an airport.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Where's he going? He doesn't have to go to practice?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Well, Michael Parsons is going to get a second opinion
on his back there's Micah at the I believe it's
a Dallas Fort Worth airport. You know, tough to miss.
Michael Parsons, a large individual. Somebody snapped his photo and
next thing you know.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
It's wait a minute.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
So he's not gonna be at practice this weekend, pivotal
practices right before the season.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Well that ain't good because.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
We got everybody saying, ah, it's gonna be fine, he's.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Gonna show up. But it didn't stop there, folks.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Michaeh filed a grievance against the Cowboys over his fifty
year option, and it.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Continued the news in Dallas.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Jerry Jones loves this, right, Jerry, we'll get to you
a second, buddy.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
There's more.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Michaeh Parson's older brother went on social media yesterday, and
I want to make sure I quote him correctly. It's
gonna get ugly. Put your gloves on. This is going
twelve rounds now. I don't know if he's talking about
like a Jake Paul fight coming up or what's happening.
Maybe it's his brother who's going toe to toe with
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Jerry Jones and folks, the more I look at this,
the more I just get disappointed and sad for Cowboys
fans because, without question, this is the most futile organization
in the NFC.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
A staggering stat I'm sure you guys have seen.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Since twenty ten, every team in the NFC has made
the conference championship game. Yes, the pathetic Panthers, the sad
Sack Saints, they've made a conference championship game since twenty ten.
There's only one team in the entire conference that hasn't.
And if you look at the bottom of the screen
there it's the Dallas Cowboys. Nineteen ninety five was the
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last time they made the conference championship game, fifteen years
behind everyone else in the conference. That to me is
a very clear signal Jerry Jones is not serious about
actual football. The Eagles, who they're playing next Thursday. They're
crushing free agency every year, they're crushing the draft. Howie
Roseman is building a juggernaut, and Jerry Jones is out
(04:16):
here creating reality TV shows.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
You've heard of Love Island, Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
They got Star Island, keeping up with the Kardashians.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
We about keeping up with the Joneses.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yet somehow the media seems to think, wow, this happens
every year. Here's Matt Mosley earlier this week talking about how, hey,
Mike is going to be there week one.
Speaker 7 (04:35):
Remember who Jerry is, and remember how much he loves
the pageantry and the circus of all of this, and
the last minute get the deal signed is kind of
a fun thing for him. Dak got one of his
deals done the morning of the first game CD and
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Zeke's were done four five days. Every one of these
holdouts in in the Cowboys capitulating, right, I mean, namely
one that they've won, Like, well, look at the Cowboys,
they won this negotiation, Zeke Zach. I mean every CD
they all end and the deals getting done.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
So the worst part is Jerry thinks this is good
business because he's not serious about football. He's like, oh,
our names are in the headline. I mean they play
at a stadium called Jerry World. I mean, the guy's
obsessed with himself. That's not going to translate to building
a contender in the modern era.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
It's not going to happen.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
And on top of all this, there was a couple
of reports saying, well, wait a minute, the Green Bay
Packers are interested in Michael Parsons, and everybody gets all
excited about that. I'm like, whoa, whoa, let's be let's
pause for a second. That ain't happening. I mean, Jerry,
there's no way he's trading Michael. We all know and think, yeah,
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he's gonna cave at the last minute, because that's what
he does.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
He chickens out.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
He talks a tough game, and then chickens out and
it signs a deal. So here's Tyler Dunn talking about
Jerry's history with his stars recently. This is headed toward
opening night.
Speaker 8 (06:16):
Jerry Jones is gonna know all eyes are on the NFL.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Is the NFL. He's the most powerful person in the NFL,
and then that's when the news breaks. They don't care
about winning.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
They just they just don't.
Speaker 8 (06:28):
If the Dallas Cowboys prioritize the winning, they wouldn't locked
up Dappy year ahead of time, Steve de Lammi year
out of time, Michael Parsons a year, a year at
a time. They just jerk around their best players because
they can. They think they're the smartest people in the room.
They don't modernize the franchise. And if you're a Cowboys
fan out there, I don't know. I guess the only
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thing you can do is not show up to the stadium.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
And that's why I say, you know, Jerry's kind of
unserious about the actual football product. I don't think he cares.
He said, well, I want to win a Super Bowl.
I want to, but the actions are not backing that up.
And it's got to be disappout pointing if you're a
Cowboys fan. So let me address one of the points
that done made yesterday, because a lot of people out
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there are thinking, hey, you know, actually, Jay, Jerry Jones
has a point. Mike is under contract for three more years.
He's got to show up and play, and that's just
that's that's not how it works. I'm gonna turn back
to twenty twenty one. Okay, that's when Michael Parsons was drafted.
I remember that draft fondly because as a Jets fan,
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all season leading up.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
To that, we were in position to get Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
I was so geeked, all excited, and then the Jets,
like morons, end up beating the Rams. I believe it
was out here at so far in December, costs themselves
Trevor Lawrence and have to settle for Zach Wilson.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
We know Zach Wilson.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
I mean, I think he's working at a coffee bean
out here in Los Angeles. However, that draft had a
lot of other good players who went the first round,
and we just so happened to have a full screen
of all that those twenty twenty one draft picks. Take
a look at the final column did they sign their extension?
These are all guys drafted the exact same day as
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Michael Parsons, Trevor Lawrence, and Jacksonville got his extension. It's done,
no drama. Jamar Chase argue'll be the best receiver in
the league. Got it done, no drama, no holdouts, headlines.
Jaylen Wattle Miami got his deal. Penay Sewell, the great
offensive lineman in Detroit.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
J C.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Horn who's been injured.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
A ton and Carolina still got his extension done. Patrick
Certayan defensive player of the Year. Devonte Smith of the Eagles,
Boy Eagles Cowboys. Hey, Devonte Smith in Micah's draft class,
got his extension. Guys, I had to look this up
seventeen months ago.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
He got his extension. He was drafted the same day.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
As Michael Parsons, and we all say the Eagles are
the worst we'll run organization.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
In the NFL. Right now, he got his deal done.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
And you look at the very end of that list,
and there's a gentleman named Rayshawn Slater who went to
the Chargers. Okay, July twenty seventh, this summer, Rayshawn Slater
four year, one hundred and fourteen million dollar deal. Chargers
locked him up. Great contract for an offensive lineman. Less
than two weeks later, he tears his ptel attendant out
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for the season. But guess what, because he got extended,
he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Have to worry about anything.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Can you imagine the panic Rayshon Slater would have right
now if he were playing for the Cowboys and Jerry
was jerking him around and then he tears his PATEL
attendant in practice and he's out for the year. But bro,
you didn't get your extension. You just cost yourself a
ton of money. He got taken care of. No worries Slater, Hey, man,
get healthy. You don't have a damn thing to worry about.
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We don't need you to rush back because you got paid.
We want you to come back fully strong next season.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Easy. Well, enter Michael Parsons. He doesn't have his extension.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
You really think Michael Parsons wants to go out there
and play and jeopardize an injury like Slater with no
security and don't tell me, well, he's got the fifth
year option or they can franchise tag him.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
That ain't security.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Security is a four year deal with ninety one million guaranteed,
which is what Slater got, and Jerry, for some reason,
is reluctant to give him that money. And at the
bottom of that full screen graphic, I don't know if
we can get it again.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Our guys put it in gold lettering.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Okay, Of all those guys that got their extensions, Micah
Parsons is the only player in this draft to have
three all Pro seasons. So you could argue, you know,
Jamar Chase has been great, Sewell's been awesome, Michaeh. Parsons
has been the best player from his draft. That's a legitimate,
credible argument. And I know, hey, Jay, what's he done
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in the playoffs? Okay, guys, what's Trevor Lawrence done in
the playoffs? You know, Penny Sewell, how did he do
against Washington?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Patrick?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Certain like you could play that game all day.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
But the reality is Jerry Jones is just unserious about football.
He doesn't truly care about winning, because if he did,
his actions would align with the smarter teams in the league,
like the Philadelphia Eagles, who they're going to be playing
next Thursday. Now the spread for that is seven. I
would not be surprised if that ticked up to seven
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and a half. As we get closer, it's increasingly looking
like Micah Parsons is not gonna play his brother's on
social media. He's at an airport, Mike's getting a second
opinion on his back. This is headed toward disaster if
Jerry doesn't step in say hey, hey, hey, okay, just kidding.
We had a lot of fun with that. Now let's
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get down to football. Let's get down to brass tacks.
Because I'm just it's you gotta be disappointed if you're
a Dallas Cowboys fan with how Jerry has handled this.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
So we have a good show today, let's upgrade it
to great.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Actually, I know Bears fans are unhappy with me. Somehow,
Rachel was able to escape any enmity from the Bears
former Bears coming after me online, even though we're in
alignment on what's happening. With the Chicago team and Ben
Johnson and his quarterback.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Well, I think it's more of a stylistic issue, right
whereas you maybe think if it's more of a is
a good enough issue. In my mind, Ben Johnson is
a very precise coach, right, I mean everything he did
with the Lions the Mad Scientists. To be a mad Scientist,
you have to have pretty insight, you know, pretty concise
ingredients on exactly what you want to do, when you
want to do it, how you want to do it.
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And Caleb Williams has always been more of a freelancer,
and by the way, that's not a bad quality. Some
of the best quarterbacks we have going right now can
freelance out there, but it's not necessarily what Ben is
used to when you're coming from Jared Goff, because he's
not like that. So for me, the question throughout this
camp and now going into the season is how do
those two styles merge and can they live together.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
So we'll be talking a little bit about the Bears
coming up next, and listen, if you compare what's being
said in Chicago with what's being said about another rookie
quarterback in the league right now, I know Caleb the
second year, but one of them's very positive and the
other is Ben Johnson.
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Folks, boy, we talk to futility cowboys, futile bears. I
don't know, we will see. So, you know, I like
Caleb Williams. I liked him coming out of USC. I
like the potential that I.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Saw from him.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
I didn't quite think face of the NFL like some
folks did, but clearly the guy has some skills. The escapability,
the improvisation, throwing on the run. Like, there's a lot
to like about Caleb Willis. So he comes into his
rookie year. We know eber Flus and company were really
gassing him up almost two positi an upbeat, and then
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it quickly went downhill and Caleb was kind of on
an island by himself. The new regime is Ben Johnson,
and this is interesting. I don't know that much about
Ben Johnson. He was kind of a quiet, behind the
scenes guy, really was in demand for his offensive creativity.
But you know with some of the great coaches, you
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learn that Belichick, Okay, his dad, you know, a hardcore
football guy, assistant coach all his life was you know,
I grew up in Annapolis, Maryland, and Belichick.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Was breathing football the whole time.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
We know about Nick Saban and West Virginia and all
the coal mining stuff. Like we know the hard scrabble
upbringing of some of these all time coaches. We even
know a little bit about Brian Daboles background in New York.
I don't know anything about Ben Johnson. It's there, just
isn't a ton about his entire life.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
So I don't know what he is like as a coach,
as a person, I just don't. I don't think many
people do.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
This is first go round, but I'm listening to the
messaging coming out of New York about their young quarterback
Jackson Dart, and I can't help but think it's the
entire opposite of what we're hearing the messaging from Ben
Johnson regarding his guy Caleb Williams, and.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I know bears fans got upset with me yesterday. Oh
you're a hater and.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
All this nonsense. But forget about what I'm saying. Listen
to Joe Shane, the GM of the Giants, talking about
his rookie quarterback Jackson.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Dart, who ain't even gonna start.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Okay, he's maybe the backup, I don't know, third string,
But this is the messaging on their rookie quarterback, Jackson Dart.
Speaker 10 (16:36):
I think they've just said it a million times, rusts
our quarterback. So that's what we're rolling with, and the
timeline will be the timeline, however it works out. With
rookie quarterbacks, I would just I would always say how
long it's gonna take them to get up to speed
and be able to go out.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
And execute it.
Speaker 10 (16:50):
It's one thing to be able to learn in the
classroom and regurgitate it, but to go out and actually
execute it and do it quickly and correctly.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
I would say, Jackson, you know, impressed me in terms
of not.
Speaker 10 (17:03):
That he couldn't do it or we didn't think he could,
but impressed me in terms of how quick he was
able to pick it up and actually go execute and
play fast.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Jackson Dart Okay, nobody who covers the draft or puts
together Montdress had Jackson Dart as the second quarterback. Take
it just wasn't a thing if you had odds on
that in Vegas. Congratulations, you are wealthy right now, not
powerball wealthy, but you did good for yourself. So now
you go to Ben Johnson, and I know he's not
dealing with a rookie, but you could argue he's dealing
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with a rookie because it was such a bad rookie
year for him. Here's Ben Johnson on Caleb. Remember what
you just heard about Joe Shay and the GM on
Jackson Dart.
Speaker 11 (17:44):
The standard has been set, the bar has been set high.
He has said that he wants to be not just
one of the best top five quarterbacks in this league,
but he wants to have a legacy that lasts for
a long time. And so we're coaching him that way.
We're approaching it that way. That's not going to change.
Is he gonna be a finished product here year two. No,
He's gonna continue to get better year in and year out,
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and and it's a process. And so we're very clear
on that. You know, there is a little bit of
grace here as we as we go through it, we
know he's learning, he's gonna take his bumps. But at
the same time, as long as we're not making the
same mistake twice, we're gonna be right on track and
we'll be just fine.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Again.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I'm not like analyzing every sentence, but there's a lot
of negativity. Hey, there's gonna be a grace period. He's
gonna take his bumps. Like, just a lot of not
positive stuff. Meanwhile, in New York, Hey, we love Jackson Dart.
Oh my gosh, he's ahead of schedule.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Like you know, Caleb and his family, they pay attention
to the media. Okay, Caleb's family was very close with
the writer leading up to the draft, where they told
the writer, yeah, we don't want to be here, Like,
I think you got to be careful with what you're
saying Ben Johnson, and I know that even former Bears
players right now are like, we good, were fine, He's
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gonna be the best quarterback that's maybe possible. But I
just don't like what I'm hearing in Chicago now. Rachel
had a good point yesterday or two days ago about
how Ben Johnson held him out of Week one in
the preseason.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Obviously he played in other games.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
I don't think he looked great, and yeah, there's a
learning curve, But you know who did look great is
Jackson Dart in New York. And again, I don't think
Jackson Dart's like gonna be some pro bowler or Hall
of Famer. Caleb Williams supposed to be big time Rachel.
Maybe I'm on an island here, but I don't love
this early vibes on Caleb Williams.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
I mean, look, clearly at the beginning of the preseason,
he didn't think that Caleb going out there was in
Caleb's best interest, right, even though there was all this controversy,
why isn't he playing?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
What does that really mean? Is Caleb in trouble?
Speaker 12 (19:52):
You know?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Is he really not that good?
Speaker 6 (19:54):
That talk was preferable, in Ben Johnson's eyes, to him
going out there and screwing the pooch in a way
that would make the talk even more substantive about whether
he was good or bad. So we don't know if
actually that's what would have happened, but that was clearly
Johnson's opinion about what would have happened because he sat
him so and he said he needs more time to
get ready. So it's hard to tell whether this is
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just sort of a bumpy start of two styles coming
together and Johnson coming in and having all these ideas.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
It's the first time as a.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Head coach, right, so you sit back for twenty years
and think, these are all the things I'm going to
do when I finally get my shot, and Caleb's kind
of on the other end of that, right, So it's
hard to tell if this is just the way it's
beginning because you've got someone with a bunch of ideas
and a quarterback who frankly didn't have much coaching prior
to this, so it's sort of hard to get all
the pieces to fit together and once they've got it,
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it's going to be great, or if it's an indication
on Caleb William, Yeah, we don't know yet.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
The most recent example, and it's not apples to apples,
but Sean Payton goes to Denver. He's got his veteran
quarterback and Russell Wilson Russ had the run of the
place the year.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Prior, go at an office. He's got a great parking spot.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Peyton comes in, Yeah, that's all squashed, and they butted
heads and I listen, people won't admit it, but I'm
pretty sure Ben and Caleb are butting heads a little bit.
Caleb is I mean, this guy was a five star recruit.
He goes to Oklahoma supplant Spencer Rattler. Hey, you're going
to USC Lincoln, I'm coming with you. Wins a superstar,
winning everything, number one pick coddled last year. I just
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I'm very curious to see how this shakes out.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
First month.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Remember Tyson Bagent got a surprising little contract there.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Yeah, what like a week ago, two weeks ago.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
Yeah, it's a great story on its own.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
By the way, Yes, indeed, all right, let's go to
Rachel with the news.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
No, no, turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
Arch Banning will make his highly highly anticipated debut as
a long runs unquestioned starter on Saturday at Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Right here on Fox.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
Obviously, he's had relatively little experience at the college level,
but that hasn't stopped Buckeye's coach Ryan Day from talking
him up.
Speaker 13 (22:05):
And with arch man, athletic, big strong, arm, smart, quick release, accurate,
you know all the above. I mean, he checks every box.
I think they had their mindset up that they wanted
to play, you know, down South and wet a little
bit here and there for sure with his dad, Cooper,
but but not a whole bunch. He kind of had
his mindset But but yeah, heck of a player.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
Ryan Day, referring to the fact that he also tried
to recruit arch Manning Jason. I'm not sure if any
other highly touted college quarterback has ever had their sort
of debut as the official QB one against such tough competition, right,
I mean, normally you get that parade of cupcakes when
you start, especially when they're trying to get easy guy in.
And this time around, we've got the College Football Committee
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saying strength of schedule, strength of schedule, and we have
this kind of matchup. Do you think are you going
to take into account who he's playing against when you
evaluate him week one or are you just going to say,
how's he do?
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Yeah, even if he's terrible, Let's say he's fourteen of
twenty eight hundred and fifty yards, they lose by twenty,
like this is against Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Now the opposite Rachel, Let's be positive if he goes
in there, throw us for three hundred yards and they win.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
I think this hype machine's going to get out of control,
next level stuff.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
It's just such a fascinating matchup. It's very exciting. Listen.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
We usually don't have to wait this long for a
guy to make his big, splashy debut. If he had
played against Georgia or who the if it's Clemson, I
don't think we would be as excited.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
But he's kind of still a mystery, right, and.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Most guys were this highly touted go on to have
great careers. You, I know, have been a little skeptical
about what do we even know about this guy?
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Already?
Speaker 4 (23:45):
I don't want to be too scared. We got some
Texas guys on staff. You're very confident there. But we'll
see Arch Banning noon on Fox Saturday.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Cannot wait. I haven't been great game.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
I'm super pumped about this. All right, Let's talk about
forty nine ers. We know they love Rock Purdy. They
just gave him a five year, two hundred and sixty
five million dollar contract extension.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
But former Niner pro Bolivernon.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Davis going a step further, he said, pretty quote makes
great decisions. He's very accurate. His attitude toward the game
is amazing. I'd compare him to Drew Brees.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
J Maack, what do you think of that Hall of
Fame Drew Brees? Is that same Drew Brees? That would
be that true. Make sure he didn't have a brother brother.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Sometimes you know this, you've been in sports long enough.
Rage like you just picked somebody and you're like, I
like this guy.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I like the cut of his jib. I want to
rock with this guy.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
I'm gonna be a fan, I'm gonna follow, and I
for some reason, I saw that with Purdy early and
I was like, I like this guy, underdog, seventh round pick.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
He was good at.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Iowa State and then but stuck around for four years,
kind of picked apart in the draft process.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
He's just been so good.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
And I know he's got Shannon yeah, which which certainly helps.
But Trey Lance was the number two pick and could
not work with sh in a hand, you know, So
I like Purdy.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
I mean, listen, Drew Brees, is that's high praise.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
Well, look, if you compare just stay within the Niners organization,
Joe Montana and Steve Young, right, I mean the icons,
the icons of the icons, right, So we don't know
what Rockberdy's going to turn into. I'm not in any
way saying that he's Joe Montana or Steve Young. However,
if you look at their first two seasons and you
match up against his first two seasons, uh oh, Ardi
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comes out ahead right stat wise completely in the first
twenty six games. More wins, more accurate, more yards, more
and better yards per attempt, better TV to pick margin,
higher passer rating than Joe or Steve. Pretty interesting now,
so he is, and this is perty embrace Joe and
Steve Young, just for those first first twenty six.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Games, and then listen, Steve Young, I'm trying to think
Bill Walsh was certainly with Montana. I don't know if
it was the first first three, but like Bill Walsh
obviously a genius.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I forget who Drew Brees had early? Was it Peyton
that early in his for three years? Well, he is
at the Chargers first, that's right, he started with the Chargers.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Yeah, listen, I'm a brock pretty guy, I'm a Truther.
What can I twenty five picks that's way lower than Breese.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
He's good. He's an easy guy to root for, you know,
no drama. There was the stories about how he was
making so little money.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
He had like a roommate and he's driving some old
car like I like that stuff.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
His teammates really like him. I think, to me, that's
that's one of the first things I found out about
a guy. When I'm gonna do a profile on him
or something like that, what does everyone around him say
about because that's how you know.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Yeah, if anybody writes a profile about me, they should
just ask the staff.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
The staff here loves me. Oh my, we hang out
all the time constantly. I don't hang out with anybody.
I don't have a life.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Sorry.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Let's talk about another universally beloved figure. No controversy about him.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Bill Belichick.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
He in North Carolina. The group says they are ready
to go for their opening game. He's giving some credit
for being ready to the program at the University of Washington.
Remember when Bill had his year off right after the NFL.
His son Steve was the defensive coordinator at U dub
Belichick was a frequent visitor practices games, actually spoke to
the team a bunch, met with certain players to give
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them advice, and he called Washington a quote template to
his program.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
He said the style of sort.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Of their mixing of college and pro is what really
convinced him he could do the same thing at North Carolina.
Of course, I personally would like to note that all
sounds very nice. Belichick at the end of this time,
being a guest of their program, poached for of their
players in the transfer portal and took the top two assistance.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
But you know, that's fine.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
He's giving them a lot of credit.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Now, what do you think sort of of this idea
that he didn't go to Alabama, right, He didn't go
TOSU to say how do you guys do it? He
wants to a smaller program because he felt like this
is more of what I want to do.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Do we know if Jordan Hudson had.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Any saying oh wow, sorry wow, why he was going
to North Carolina. But that's in because Kaylin de Boor
was at Washington, he's now out all of it, and
because they had a good team. Michael penni'x roma dun. Yeah,
they were pretty damn good and they aired it out.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
That is interesting. Oh yep, I'm excited for There's so
much good stuff.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Happening in college football. Between Arch Manning and Belichick. Those
storylines they ravel a lot of the NFL stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Absolutely, So what's what's your guests on on UNC this year?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Like eight wins?
Speaker 12 (28:38):
Ten?
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Nine?
Speaker 6 (28:39):
You said nine yesterday. I feel like that might I'm
more in the eighth camp maybe.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
I think it's seven and a half in Vegas. Yeah,
I think eight.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
Let's give him the let's give him the half game,
right and.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
They the Richmond or Art Yeah, exactly. Just that TCU
game Monday.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
I think it's Monday is going to be a big
one because if you win that, I think the hype
machine gets excited and we're like, all right, it's all
about can we take down Clemson? You know, if Clemson
happens to lose LSU, then you get excited.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
I mean, there's there's coaches of the teams on the
schedule who have an enormous amount of experience, but there
are also coaches on the teams of the schedule who
do not. And there is no situation in the game
of football that Bill Belichick has not been in where
he will not know exactly what to do in exactly
the right moment with the exactly right stringed pull. And
in addition, to everything about the program and the players
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and the transfers and all the stuff that in second
split decision decision making I think is going to be
a factor to his success.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
I'm with you, Rachel with the news.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News.
Speaker 13 (29:41):
All right.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Coming up next, we're going to talk to a former
NFL GM What is the endgame in Dallas?
Speaker 3 (29:46):
With Micah and Jerry. That's next.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
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Speaker 3 (29:59):
Back here on the I heard Oh boy, this next guest.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
He is one of the most accomplished front office guys
in recent NFL history. He's worked at he's currently working
with UVA, Iowa and Utah.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Scott Pioli.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Let's bring him in work with the Falcon chiefs.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Patrick briefly, my jet, Scott. How you doing?
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Man?
Speaker 12 (30:20):
Jay Mackham doing great? And I know Rachel's over there,
So what's up?
Speaker 5 (30:23):
Rachel? How are hey?
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Scott?
Speaker 7 (30:24):
How you been?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
We are well?
Speaker 12 (30:27):
Thank you well, thanks guys for having me. I really
really appreciate great to be here.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah, it's been an awesome week. We're having a lot
of fun.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Now we're not having as much fun as Charlottesville, Virginia,
a town I know, well going up in Virginia. By
the way, how are things looking for the for the
Cabs this year?
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Hey?
Speaker 12 (30:43):
This is it's you know, I'm not good at predicting things,
and I was always you know, I never predict. But
I'll tell you what, being around Tony Elliott, being around
there athletic director Carla Williams, there is some special stuff
going on here. Now we never know, right if all
the great stuff that's happening translates to win.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
But I'll tell you what.
Speaker 12 (31:01):
The way that Tony's doing things, the way that this
athletic department is doing things, it's going to be a
lot of.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Fun, kind of fun.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
They just do things the right way and they work
on the right stuff.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
College football is going through like a big transformational period
with all this nil are you I mean, as someone
who worked in the NFL and you're now seeing this,
I mean, it's like a totally different game sport almost.
Speaker 12 (31:25):
Yeah, yeah, Jay Mackott, it's fascinating. You know, I started
when I left the Falcons after the twenty nineteen draft,
Nick Saban hired me to come and do some work
for him at the University of Alabama as a consultant,
and then coach Kirby Kirby Smart brought me in there,
and then I worked for a number of different schools
and for Marcus up at Notre Dame. Anyway, they had
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me doing this one thing. But as this has evolved,
You're right, it's becoming a lot in a lot of ways,
very similar to professional sports, and not just for football programs,
but for entire athletic departments. Right the athletic each athletic
department that's in these power for conferences, they have twenty
point five million dollars to spend, not on football, but
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on all sports. So they're trying to figure out their
revenue sharing, how are they going to build their model
of how they're going to play pay student athletes, not
only in football but in every sport. So I'm spending
some time, and I tell you, it's a lot of fun,
and there's so many similarities. And you know, I'm down
for players being paid. I absolutely think that they should be.
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I just hope that they start to build in some
things that make some of the crazy a little bit
more certainly.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
So, and what do you think in like building in
like can't transfer to multiple times or what kind of things.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Do you think?
Speaker 2 (32:41):
You know?
Speaker 12 (32:42):
The transfer thing is always so touchy, right because people
always go after the players when they transfer. But let's
remember coaches change jobs too, right, so I get the
transfer portal. Yet this I'm not smart enough to figure
out those answers. But there are people out there a
lot smarter than me that can figure out some of
the constructs that we can put in place to help
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young people. And I'm going to sound like an old
man here, but to help focus on being able to
chase your dream, chase something, chase something better, but also
have a degree of commitment and accountability. And when I
say that, that doesn't mean the kids shouldn't be able
to transfer, but we need to put things in that
make it more sensible and easier for them to understand
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why they're doing not just that life's gotten too tough
and I'm not starting so I got to go somewhere else.
There's a lot to it, But I really hope that
they continue to build things out the right way. But
I'm down for so much that so many of the
changes that they have made, and.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
It's funny you use that phrasing. I'm not playing. I
want to go somewhere else. A guy you were part
of drafted. Tom Brady famously sat for a long time
at Michigan, got a chance.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
But yeah, anyways, but you talked about it.
Speaker 12 (33:55):
He has said publicly the fact that he was pushed
to go through the grind and to be uncomfortable and
to have to work and do more and suffer a
little bit. It also made him less entitled when.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
He got there.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Certainly, Yeah, let's talk money and a gentleman in Dallas.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
I kind of opened the show saying, listen, I don't
think Jerry Jones is serious about football and putting together
a good product.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
He cares about his name in the headlines and the valuation.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Of the Cowboys, because otherwise he wouldn't wait for the
last minute to sign Dak and Lamb and now Michael
Parsons and it's getting ugly. Michael Parsons getting a second
opinion on his back. His brother is tweeting out, this
is going twelve rounds. You've been at some ugly standoffs,
I assume, Oh yeah, but what's your takeaway here?
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (34:41):
Unfortunately, I have been a part of those things, and
I've always felt that the best thing to do is
to say nothing publicly on either side. You don't want
to try to leverage people publicly. And I think once
one side says something, then the other side feels like
they have to say something and becomes this unnecessary competitiness.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
And the bottom line is Michael wants to get paid.
Speaker 12 (35:05):
Mike should get paid, He should get paid a lot
of money, and Jerry wants to pay and they just
have to figure this thing out. I don't know Jerry's
reasons for, you know, making things and doing things and
doing business the way he does, but my instincts tell
me that he's he's going to make sure that he
gets business done at some point in time. I can't
believe that he would ever and that he or Steven
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would ever let a player of Mike's ability get out
of that building. And the toughest things you bring up,
J Mack is you just hope during these kind of
you know, these controversial negotiations, you just need to work
as hard as possible to keep family business family business,
because inevitably, if you talk publicly, someone's going to say
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something that hurts the other side, and you hope that
you can reel that stuff in later on.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
So I'm obsessed with team building. I really love talking
about this stuff. And we have a graphic. I hope
they could pull it that we used earlier in the
show about that twenty twenty one draft class that Michael
Parsons was in, and listens, Scott, all the best guys, Trevor, Lawrence,
Jamar Chase, Patrick, schurt In, they all were paid early.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Right now, you get that out.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Of the way.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Listen, you worked in front offices. There's one guy of
all the stars from this draft class in the first
round who has not been paid. There's also one guy
who's been the pro three times, only one and it's
Michael Parsons.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
So yeah, you know that.
Speaker 12 (36:31):
I can't I can't say I agree with the way
that business is getting done.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
And I here's the thing.
Speaker 12 (36:36):
If you pay someone early, it's going to be at
a discount because where wherever the tide is right now,
however high it is right now, it's going to be
less next year. And that's with every position because every
year we read, every single position, every year has a
new record setting contract done in its position.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
That's the way it happens.
Speaker 12 (36:57):
So the earlier that you get a deal done, the
more potential savings. Is it cash out the door right now?
Yes it is, but there's more potential savings. And you know,
I don't know too many teams that have signed really
good players that maintain playing well where it ends up
being a bad deal.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
The only bad.
Speaker 12 (37:17):
Deals is when when the player stinks it up or
the player gets injured, and then it doesn't work out.
So I'm all about the and that's how we were
most every place I ever worked.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
You tried to get the contracts done. You've brought Tom
Brady before.
Speaker 12 (37:31):
We got that deal done early, and because we did,
he was not only did he give us a discount,
but because of the market that we negotiated the contract in,
it was a discount just naturally.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
I again, I don't want to call out Jerry Jones
too much. He's kind of powerful. But Scott, when you
just think about that, which you just said, everywhere I've
worked for the last twenty years, and you work with
a lot of champs, that's how they do business. He
seems to be the only one not doing it that way.
Is there any guess as to why other than he
likes Fen's name in the headlines.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
No, but here's the other thing. I'll say. Here's the
other thing.
Speaker 12 (38:07):
He's a billionaire for a reason, so he knows how
to do business right. He has done something right or
a bunch of somethings right when it comes to business
to make money. He didn't just fall off the turnip truck.
He's done some smart things in his life to make money.
Why he does it this way, I don't know. And
I'm also not very good at speculating as to why
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people make certain decisions, so you know, to do business
a certain way. But you know, Jerry has clearly done
business that I have because I'm not looking at the
bank account that he is.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Well, you know, okay, we won't get it as billionaire status,
but I want to quick the pivot.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
I totally forgot about this.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
So we talked about Brock party yesterday, and I am
a Brock prety guy. I don't mind gassing him up.
I feel like I can rock with this guy. I
love his story. You were with Brady in the early
years when he took over for blood Sell, and I
keep trying to tell people like I I'm a nerdy sports.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Fan following the league.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Tom Brady, despite winning that for Super Bowl, was thought
of as a game manager for several years.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Isn't that what the storyline was with Brady, like, hey,
bloods it was.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
Yeah, But again, Revisions Revision's.
Speaker 12 (39:15):
History on things is very interesting, and with Tommy, you know,
it was it was interesting he was And again, a
game manager isn't a bad thing. When you call the
game manager, that generally means you're doing a lot of
really smart stuff, you're making a lot of really good decisions,
and you're winning football games usually. And with Brady, he
was still developing. And I think that's the there's different
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kind of game managers. Is it a game manager that's developing?
And again, I've never I don't know why people get
insulted by game managing, you know, being called gay managers,
because that's part of the job of being the quarterback.
That's part of what you have to do. When we
started things early on, Tommy was still developing. He was
developing his skills, he was developing his accuracy, he was
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developing his foot movement, his movement in the pocket, and
we had a really good defense. People forget that we
had a twelve hundred yard rusher in Antoine Smith. We
had a really really good defense and he was surrounded
by good people and good players. Therefore, that made his
development better. And the other thing about player development, particularly
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at the quarterback position, I still believe it's very much circumstantial.
And Tommy was in the right program for him and
he was the right guy for us.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
So it wasn't one or the other. And it wasn't
just Tommy and Bill.
Speaker 12 (40:33):
I mean, Dick Raybon did an incredible job working with
him his first year.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
Charlie Weiss did an incredible job.
Speaker 12 (40:39):
He also did a super job of play calling to
the strengths of Tom Brady. And that's what Kyle Shanahan
is doing with Rock Party. You know, I think quarterbacks
need to end up in the right situations and the
right people. It has to be the right marriage, and
he gives them a chance to develop. And there's a
lot of things that are really right for per you know,
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between Kyle and Bobby Turner, their running back coach, and
what Kyle learned from his dad Mike, they know the
running game. They are incredible in the running game, which
allows them to play action pass which really helps purty
in terms of his protection and how much time he has,
so it all kind of works together.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
J MaTx.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
I love that. That what a great answer.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
And I don't want to act like game manager's derogatory,
but when these quarterback lists come out Scott, it's always like,
oh yeah, Brock, perty's like ten to eighteen and I'm like, guys,
he's been dominant for three years.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
And Jamack here one hundred percent.
Speaker 12 (41:36):
Right.
Speaker 5 (41:36):
Here's the other thing is look at how many games
he's won.
Speaker 12 (41:40):
And more importantly, one of our sayings was always you know,
you end up losing more.
Speaker 5 (41:45):
Games than you win.
Speaker 12 (41:47):
Yeah. Right, And when you look at those quarterbacks, how
many games have they lost? I'm not talking about wins
and losses, but do they lose you games? Are they
doing dumb things in order for you to lose games?
Speaker 5 (41:59):
That's not what you're looking for it. Brock doesn't do that.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
I hope people will listening to Scott, the only longtime
NFL fixture in front offices.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Great stuff and enjoy the college seasons, buddy.
Speaker 8 (42:08):
J Max.
Speaker 5 (42:09):
Thanks very much, Rachel, take care, see you Scott.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
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We are one week exactly, one week from today NFL season.
We get Packers, Not Packers, I'm sorry.
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We get Eagles, Yeah, and caw and Cowboys. Oh it's he.
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Is there anything I on with the capital?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
You know, let's just dive right into that, shall we remember?
We are one week away from the start of the
NFL season, and a week from today it's Eagles, Cowboys
and the Eagles are defending champs, they got the best
roster in the league. They're stacked, and nobody is talking
about them for some reason. It's all about the Dallas Cowboys.
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Jerry Jones likes.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
It that way.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
He loves it that way. By the way, do you
guys remember what happened last year in the Eagles Cowboys games?
They met twice. Now dak missed both games. Well, let
me just check here, Okay, thirty four to six was
the first one that was Eagles winning, and then it
was forty one seven.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Jalen Hurts satokancussion did not play.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
So it's a little early for math, but I'm not
seventy five to thirteen. The Eagles smoked the Cowboys last year.
It was not competitive in any way, shape or form.
Yet the media remains obsessed with the wretched whoebegone Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Why would that be? Well, wouldn't you know it? But
yesterday Michaeh.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Parsons, their star holdout hold in I don't know, showed
up at an airport.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Where's he going? He doesn't have to go to practice?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Well, Michael Parsons is going to get a second opinion
on his back there's Micah at the I believe it's
a Dallas Fort Worth airport. You know, tough to miss.
Michael Parsons, a large individual. Somebody snapped his photo and
next thing you know.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
It's wait a minute.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
So he's not gonna be at practice this weekend, pivotal
practices right before the season.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Well that ain't good because.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
We got everybody saying, ah, it's gonna be fine, he's.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Gonna show up. But it didn't stop there, folks.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Michaeh filed a grievance against the Cowboys over his fifty
year option, and it.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Continued the news in Dallas.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Jerry Jones loves this, right, Jerry, we'll get to you
a second, buddy.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
There's more.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Michaeh Parson's older brother went on social media yesterday, and
I want to make sure I quote him correctly. It's
gonna get ugly. Put your gloves on. This is going
twelve rounds now. I don't know if he's talking about
like a Jake Paul fight coming up or what's happening.
Maybe it's his brother who's going toe to toe with
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Jerry Jones and folks, the more I look at this,
the more I just get disappointed and sad for Cowboys
fans because, without question, this is the most futile organization
in the NFC.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
A staggering stat I'm sure you guys have seen.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Since twenty ten, every team in the NFC has made
the conference championship game. Yes, the pathetic Panthers, the sad
Sack Saints, they've made a conference championship game since twenty ten.
There's only one team in the entire conference that hasn't.
And if you look at the bottom of the screen
there it's the Dallas Cowboys. Nineteen ninety five was the
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last time they made the conference championship game, fifteen years
behind everyone else in the conference. That to me is
a very clear signal Jerry Jones is not serious about
actual football. The Eagles, who they're playing next Thursday. They're
crushing free agency every year, they're crushing the draft. Howie
Roseman is building a juggernaut, and Jerry Jones is out
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here creating reality TV shows.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
You've heard of Love Island, Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
They got Star Island, keeping up with the Kardashians.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
We about keeping up with the Joneses.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yet somehow the media seems to think, wow, this happens
every year. Here's Matt Mosley earlier this week talking about how, hey,
Mike is going to be there week one.
Speaker 7 (04:35):
Remember who Jerry is, and remember how much he loves
the pageantry and the circus of all of this, and
the last minute get the deal signed is kind of
a fun thing for him. Dak got one of his
deals done the morning of the first game CD and
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Zeke's were done four five days. Every one of these
holdouts in in the Cowboys capitulating, right, I mean, namely
one that they've won, Like, well, look at the Cowboys,
they won this negotiation, Zeke Zach. I mean every CD
they all end and the deals getting done.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
So the worst part is Jerry thinks this is good
business because he's not serious about football. He's like, oh,
our names are in the headline. I mean they play
at a stadium called Jerry World. I mean, the guy's
obsessed with himself. That's not going to translate to building
a contender in the modern era.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
It's not going to happen.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
And on top of all this, there was a couple
of reports saying, well, wait a minute, the Green Bay
Packers are interested in Michael Parsons, and everybody gets all
excited about that. I'm like, whoa, whoa, let's be let's
pause for a second. That ain't happening. I mean, Jerry,
there's no way he's trading Michael. We all know and think, yeah,
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he's gonna cave at the last minute, because that's what
he does.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
He chickens out.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
He talks a tough game, and then chickens out and
it signs a deal. So here's Tyler Dunn talking about
Jerry's history with his stars recently. This is headed toward
opening night.
Speaker 8 (06:16):
Jerry Jones is gonna know all eyes are on the NFL.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Is the NFL. He's the most powerful person in the NFL,
and then that's when the news breaks. They don't care
about winning.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
They just they just don't.
Speaker 8 (06:28):
If the Dallas Cowboys prioritize the winning, they wouldn't locked
up Dappy year ahead of time, Steve de Lammi year
out of time, Michael Parsons a year, a year at
a time. They just jerk around their best players because
they can. They think they're the smartest people in the room.
They don't modernize the franchise. And if you're a Cowboys
fan out there, I don't know. I guess the only
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thing you can do is not show up to the stadium.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
And that's why I say, you know, Jerry's kind of
unserious about the actual football product. I don't think he cares.
He said, well, I want to win a Super Bowl.
I want to, but the actions are not backing that up.
And it's got to be disappout pointing if you're a
Cowboys fan. So let me address one of the points
that done made yesterday, because a lot of people out
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there are thinking, hey, you know, actually, Jay, Jerry Jones
has a point. Mike is under contract for three more years.
He's got to show up and play, and that's just
that's that's not how it works. I'm gonna turn back
to twenty twenty one. Okay, that's when Michael Parsons was drafted.
I remember that draft fondly because as a Jets fan,
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all season leading up.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
To that, we were in position to get Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
I was so geeked, all excited, and then the Jets,
like morons, end up beating the Rams. I believe it
was out here at so far in December, costs themselves
Trevor Lawrence and have to settle for Zach Wilson.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
We know Zach Wilson.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
I mean, I think he's working at a coffee bean
out here in Los Angeles. However, that draft had a
lot of other good players who went the first round,
and we just so happened to have a full screen
of all that those twenty twenty one draft picks. Take
a look at the final column did they sign their extension?
These are all guys drafted the exact same day as
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Michael Parsons, Trevor Lawrence, and Jacksonville got his extension. It's done,
no drama. Jamar Chase argue'll be the best receiver in
the league. Got it done, no drama, no holdouts, headlines.
Jaylen Wattle Miami got his deal. Penay Sewell, the great
offensive lineman in Detroit.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
J C.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Horn who's been injured.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
A ton and Carolina still got his extension done. Patrick
Certayan defensive player of the Year. Devonte Smith of the Eagles,
Boy Eagles Cowboys. Hey, Devonte Smith in Micah's draft class,
got his extension. Guys, I had to look this up
seventeen months ago.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
He got his extension. He was drafted the same day.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
As Michael Parsons, and we all say the Eagles are
the worst we'll run organization.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
In the NFL. Right now, he got his deal done.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
And you look at the very end of that list,
and there's a gentleman named Rayshawn Slater who went to
the Chargers. Okay, July twenty seventh, this summer, Rayshawn Slater
four year, one hundred and fourteen million dollar deal. Chargers
locked him up. Great contract for an offensive lineman. Less
than two weeks later, he tears his ptel attendant out
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for the season. But guess what, because he got extended,
he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Have to worry about anything.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Can you imagine the panic Rayshon Slater would have right
now if he were playing for the Cowboys and Jerry
was jerking him around and then he tears his PATEL
attendant in practice and he's out for the year. But bro,
you didn't get your extension. You just cost yourself a
ton of money. He got taken care of. No worries Slater, Hey, man,
get healthy. You don't have a damn thing to worry about.
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We don't need you to rush back because you got paid.
We want you to come back fully strong next season.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Easy. Well, enter Michael Parsons. He doesn't have his extension.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
You really think Michael Parsons wants to go out there
and play and jeopardize an injury like Slater with no
security and don't tell me, well, he's got the fifth
year option or they can franchise tag him.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
That ain't security.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Security is a four year deal with ninety one million guaranteed,
which is what Slater got, and Jerry, for some reason,
is reluctant to give him that money. And at the
bottom of that full screen graphic, I don't know if
we can get it again.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Our guys put it in gold lettering.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Okay, Of all those guys that got their extensions, Micah
Parsons is the only player in this draft to have
three all Pro seasons. So you could argue, you know,
Jamar Chase has been great, Sewell's been awesome, Michaeh. Parsons
has been the best player from his draft. That's a legitimate,
credible argument. And I know, hey, Jay, what's he done
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in the playoffs? Okay, guys, what's Trevor Lawrence done in
the playoffs? You know, Penny Sewell, how did he do
against Washington?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Patrick?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Certain like you could play that game all day.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
But the reality is Jerry Jones is just unserious about football.
He doesn't truly care about winning, because if he did,
his actions would align with the smarter teams in the league,
like the Philadelphia Eagles, who they're going to be playing
next Thursday. Now the spread for that is seven. I
would not be surprised if that ticked up to seven
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and a half. As we get closer, it's increasingly looking
like Micah Parsons is not gonna play his brother's on
social media. He's at an airport, Mike's getting a second
opinion on his back. This is headed toward disaster if
Jerry doesn't step in say hey, hey, hey, okay, just kidding.
We had a lot of fun with that. Now let's
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get down to football. Let's get down to brass tacks.
Because I'm just it's you gotta be disappointed if you're
a Dallas Cowboys fan with how Jerry has handled this.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
So we have a good show today, let's upgrade it
to great.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Actually, I know Bears fans are unhappy with me. Somehow,
Rachel was able to escape any enmity from the Bears
former Bears coming after me online, even though we're in
alignment on what's happening. With the Chicago team and Ben
Johnson and his quarterback.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Well, I think it's more of a stylistic issue, right
whereas you maybe think if it's more of a is
a good enough issue. In my mind, Ben Johnson is
a very precise coach, right, I mean everything he did
with the Lions the Mad Scientists. To be a mad Scientist,
you have to have pretty insight, you know, pretty concise
ingredients on exactly what you want to do, when you
want to do it, how you want to do it.
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And Caleb Williams has always been more of a freelancer,
and by the way, that's not a bad quality. Some
of the best quarterbacks we have going right now can
freelance out there, but it's not necessarily what Ben is
used to when you're coming from Jared Goff, because he's
not like that. So for me, the question throughout this
camp and now going into the season is how do
those two styles merge and can they live together.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
So we'll be talking a little bit about the Bears
coming up next, and listen, if you compare what's being
said in Chicago with what's being said about another rookie
quarterback in the league right now, I know Caleb the
second year, but one of them's very positive and the
other is Ben Johnson.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
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Speaker 3 (14:23):
Chicago Bears.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Folks, boy, we talk to futility cowboys, futile bears. I
don't know, we will see. So, you know, I like
Caleb Williams. I liked him coming out of USC. I
like the potential that I.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Saw from him.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
I didn't quite think face of the NFL like some
folks did, but clearly the guy has some skills. The escapability,
the improvisation, throwing on the run. Like, there's a lot
to like about Caleb Willis. So he comes into his
rookie year. We know eber Flus and company were really
gassing him up almost two positi an upbeat, and then
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it quickly went downhill and Caleb was kind of on
an island by himself. The new regime is Ben Johnson,
and this is interesting. I don't know that much about
Ben Johnson. He was kind of a quiet, behind the
scenes guy, really was in demand for his offensive creativity.
But you know with some of the great coaches, you
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learn that Belichick, Okay, his dad, you know, a hardcore
football guy, assistant coach all his life was you know,
I grew up in Annapolis, Maryland, and Belichick.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Was breathing football the whole time.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
We know about Nick Saban and West Virginia and all
the coal mining stuff. Like we know the hard scrabble
upbringing of some of these all time coaches. We even
know a little bit about Brian Daboles background in New York.
I don't know anything about Ben Johnson. It's there, just
isn't a ton about his entire life.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
So I don't know what he is like as a coach,
as a person, I just don't. I don't think many
people do.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
This is first go round, but I'm listening to the
messaging coming out of New York about their young quarterback
Jackson Dart, and I can't help but think it's the
entire opposite of what we're hearing the messaging from Ben
Johnson regarding his guy Caleb Williams, and.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I know bears fans got upset with me yesterday. Oh
you're a hater and.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
All this nonsense. But forget about what I'm saying. Listen
to Joe Shane, the GM of the Giants, talking about
his rookie quarterback Jackson.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Dart, who ain't even gonna start.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Okay, he's maybe the backup, I don't know, third string,
But this is the messaging on their rookie quarterback, Jackson Dart.
Speaker 10 (16:36):
I think they've just said it a million times, rusts
our quarterback. So that's what we're rolling with, and the
timeline will be the timeline, however it works out. With
rookie quarterbacks, I would just I would always say how
long it's gonna take them to get up to speed
and be able to go out.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
And execute it.
Speaker 10 (16:50):
It's one thing to be able to learn in the
classroom and regurgitate it, but to go out and actually
execute it and do it quickly and correctly.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
I would say, Jackson, you know, impressed me in terms
of not.
Speaker 10 (17:03):
That he couldn't do it or we didn't think he could,
but impressed me in terms of how quick he was
able to pick it up and actually go execute and
play fast.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Jackson Dart Okay, nobody who covers the draft or puts
together Montdress had Jackson Dart as the second quarterback. Take
it just wasn't a thing if you had odds on
that in Vegas. Congratulations, you are wealthy right now, not
powerball wealthy, but you did good for yourself. So now
you go to Ben Johnson, and I know he's not
dealing with a rookie, but you could argue he's dealing
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with a rookie because it was such a bad rookie
year for him. Here's Ben Johnson on Caleb. Remember what
you just heard about Joe Shay and the GM on
Jackson Dart.
Speaker 11 (17:44):
The standard has been set, the bar has been set high.
He has said that he wants to be not just
one of the best top five quarterbacks in this league,
but he wants to have a legacy that lasts for
a long time. And so we're coaching him that way.
We're approaching it that way. That's not going to change.
Is he gonna be a finished product here year two. No,
He's gonna continue to get better year in and year out,
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and and it's a process. And so we're very clear
on that. You know, there is a little bit of
grace here as we as we go through it, we
know he's learning, he's gonna take his bumps. But at
the same time, as long as we're not making the
same mistake twice, we're gonna be right on track and
we'll be just fine.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Again.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I'm not like analyzing every sentence, but there's a lot
of negativity. Hey, there's gonna be a grace period. He's
gonna take his bumps. Like, just a lot of not
positive stuff. Meanwhile, in New York, Hey, we love Jackson Dart.
Oh my gosh, he's ahead of schedule.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Like you know, Caleb and his family, they pay attention
to the media. Okay, Caleb's family was very close with
the writer leading up to the draft, where they told
the writer, yeah, we don't want to be here, Like,
I think you got to be careful with what you're
saying Ben Johnson, and I know that even former Bears
players right now are like, we good, were fine, He's
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gonna be the best quarterback that's maybe possible. But I
just don't like what I'm hearing in Chicago now. Rachel
had a good point yesterday or two days ago about
how Ben Johnson held him out of Week one in
the preseason.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Obviously he played in other games.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
I don't think he looked great, and yeah, there's a
learning curve, But you know who did look great is
Jackson Dart in New York. And again, I don't think
Jackson Dart's like gonna be some pro bowler or Hall
of Famer. Caleb Williams supposed to be big time Rachel.
Maybe I'm on an island here, but I don't love
this early vibes on Caleb Williams.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
I mean, look, clearly at the beginning of the preseason,
he didn't think that Caleb going out there was in
Caleb's best interest, right, even though there was all this controversy,
why isn't he playing?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
What does that really mean? Is Caleb in trouble?
Speaker 12 (19:52):
You know?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Is he really not that good?
Speaker 6 (19:54):
That talk was preferable, in Ben Johnson's eyes, to him
going out there and screwing the pooch in a way
that would make the talk even more substantive about whether
he was good or bad. So we don't know if
actually that's what would have happened, but that was clearly
Johnson's opinion about what would have happened because he sat
him so and he said he needs more time to
get ready. So it's hard to tell whether this is
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just sort of a bumpy start of two styles coming
together and Johnson coming in and having all these ideas.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
It's the first time as a.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Head coach, right, so you sit back for twenty years
and think, these are all the things I'm going to
do when I finally get my shot, and Caleb's kind
of on the other end of that, right, So it's
hard to tell if this is just the way it's
beginning because you've got someone with a bunch of ideas
and a quarterback who frankly didn't have much coaching prior
to this, so it's sort of hard to get all
the pieces to fit together and once they've got it,
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it's going to be great, or if it's an indication
on Caleb William, Yeah, we don't know yet.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
The most recent example, and it's not apples to apples,
but Sean Payton goes to Denver. He's got his veteran
quarterback and Russell Wilson Russ had the run of the
place the year.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Prior, go at an office. He's got a great parking spot.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Peyton comes in, Yeah, that's all squashed, and they butted
heads and I listen, people won't admit it, but I'm
pretty sure Ben and Caleb are butting heads a little bit.
Caleb is I mean, this guy was a five star recruit.
He goes to Oklahoma supplant Spencer Rattler. Hey, you're going
to USC Lincoln, I'm coming with you. Wins a superstar,
winning everything, number one pick coddled last year. I just
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I'm very curious to see how this shakes out.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
First month.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Remember Tyson Bagent got a surprising little contract there.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Yeah, what like a week ago, two weeks ago.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
Yeah, it's a great story on its own.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
By the way, Yes, indeed, all right, let's go to
Rachel with the news.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
No, no, turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
Arch Banning will make his highly highly anticipated debut as
a long runs unquestioned starter on Saturday at Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Right here on Fox.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
Obviously, he's had relatively little experience at the college level,
but that hasn't stopped Buckeye's coach Ryan Day from talking
him up.
Speaker 13 (22:05):
And with arch man, athletic, big strong, arm, smart, quick release, accurate,
you know all the above. I mean, he checks every box.
I think they had their mindset up that they wanted
to play, you know, down South and wet a little
bit here and there for sure with his dad, Cooper,
but but not a whole bunch. He kind of had
his mindset But but yeah, heck of a player.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
Ryan Day, referring to the fact that he also tried
to recruit arch Manning Jason. I'm not sure if any
other highly touted college quarterback has ever had their sort
of debut as the official QB one against such tough competition, right,
I mean, normally you get that parade of cupcakes when
you start, especially when they're trying to get easy guy in.
And this time around, we've got the College Football Committee
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saying strength of schedule, strength of schedule, and we have
this kind of matchup. Do you think are you going
to take into account who he's playing against when you
evaluate him week one or are you just going to say,
how's he do?
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Yeah, even if he's terrible, Let's say he's fourteen of
twenty eight hundred and fifty yards, they lose by twenty,
like this is against Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Now the opposite Rachel, Let's be positive if he goes
in there, throw us for three hundred yards and they win.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
I think this hype machine's going to get out of control,
next level stuff.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
It's just such a fascinating matchup. It's very exciting. Listen.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
We usually don't have to wait this long for a
guy to make his big, splashy debut. If he had
played against Georgia or who the if it's Clemson, I
don't think we would be as excited.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
But he's kind of still a mystery, right, and.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Most guys were this highly touted go on to have
great careers. You, I know, have been a little skeptical
about what do we even know about this guy?
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Already?
Speaker 4 (23:45):
I don't want to be too scared. We got some
Texas guys on staff. You're very confident there. But we'll
see Arch Banning noon on Fox Saturday.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Cannot wait. I haven't been great game.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
I'm super pumped about this. All right, Let's talk about
forty nine ers. We know they love Rock Purdy. They
just gave him a five year, two hundred and sixty
five million dollar contract extension.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
But former Niner pro Bolivernon.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Davis going a step further, he said, pretty quote makes
great decisions. He's very accurate. His attitude toward the game
is amazing. I'd compare him to Drew Brees.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
J Maack, what do you think of that Hall of
Fame Drew Brees? Is that same Drew Brees? That would
be that true. Make sure he didn't have a brother brother.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Sometimes you know this, you've been in sports long enough.
Rage like you just picked somebody and you're like, I
like this guy.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I like the cut of his jib. I want to
rock with this guy.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
I'm gonna be a fan, I'm gonna follow, and I
for some reason, I saw that with Purdy early and
I was like, I like this guy, underdog, seventh round pick.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
He was good at.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Iowa State and then but stuck around for four years,
kind of picked apart in the draft process.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
He's just been so good.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
And I know he's got Shannon yeah, which which certainly helps.
But Trey Lance was the number two pick and could
not work with sh in a hand, you know, So
I like Purdy.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
I mean, listen, Drew Brees, is that's high praise.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
Well, look, if you compare just stay within the Niners organization,
Joe Montana and Steve Young, right, I mean the icons,
the icons of the icons, right, So we don't know
what Rockberdy's going to turn into. I'm not in any
way saying that he's Joe Montana or Steve Young. However,
if you look at their first two seasons and you
match up against his first two seasons, uh oh, Ardi
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comes out ahead right stat wise completely in the first
twenty six games. More wins, more accurate, more yards, more
and better yards per attempt, better TV to pick margin,
higher passer rating than Joe or Steve. Pretty interesting now,
so he is, and this is perty embrace Joe and
Steve Young, just for those first first twenty six.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Games, and then listen, Steve Young, I'm trying to think
Bill Walsh was certainly with Montana. I don't know if
it was the first first three, but like Bill Walsh
obviously a genius.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I forget who Drew Brees had early? Was it Peyton
that early in his for three years? Well, he is
at the Chargers first, that's right, he started with the Chargers.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Yeah, listen, I'm a brock pretty guy, I'm a Truther.
What can I twenty five picks that's way lower than Breese.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
He's good. He's an easy guy to root for, you know,
no drama. There was the stories about how he was
making so little money.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
He had like a roommate and he's driving some old
car like I like that stuff.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
His teammates really like him. I think, to me, that's
that's one of the first things I found out about
a guy. When I'm gonna do a profile on him
or something like that, what does everyone around him say
about because that's how you know.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Yeah, if anybody writes a profile about me, they should
just ask the staff.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
The staff here loves me. Oh my, we hang out
all the time constantly. I don't hang out with anybody.
I don't have a life.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Sorry.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Let's talk about another universally beloved figure. No controversy about him.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Bill Belichick.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
He in North Carolina. The group says they are ready
to go for their opening game. He's giving some credit
for being ready to the program at the University of Washington.
Remember when Bill had his year off right after the NFL.
His son Steve was the defensive coordinator at U dub
Belichick was a frequent visitor practices games, actually spoke to
the team a bunch, met with certain players to give
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them advice, and he called Washington a quote template to
his program.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
He said the style of sort.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Of their mixing of college and pro is what really
convinced him he could do the same thing at North Carolina.
Of course, I personally would like to note that all
sounds very nice. Belichick at the end of this time,
being a guest of their program, poached for of their
players in the transfer portal and took the top two assistance.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
But you know, that's fine.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
He's giving them a lot of credit.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Now, what do you think sort of of this idea
that he didn't go to Alabama, right, He didn't go
TOSU to say how do you guys do it? He
wants to a smaller program because he felt like this
is more of what I want to do.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Do we know if Jordan Hudson had.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Any saying oh wow, sorry wow, why he was going
to North Carolina. But that's in because Kaylin de Boor
was at Washington, he's now out all of it, and
because they had a good team. Michael penni'x roma dun. Yeah,
they were pretty damn good and they aired it out.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
That is interesting. Oh yep, I'm excited for There's so
much good stuff.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Happening in college football. Between Arch Manning and Belichick. Those
storylines they ravel a lot of the NFL stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Absolutely, So what's what's your guests on on UNC this year?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Like eight wins?
Speaker 12 (28:38):
Ten?
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Nine?
Speaker 6 (28:39):
You said nine yesterday. I feel like that might I'm
more in the eighth camp maybe.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
I think it's seven and a half in Vegas. Yeah,
I think eight.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
Let's give him the let's give him the half game,
right and.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
They the Richmond or Art Yeah, exactly. Just that TCU
game Monday.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
I think it's Monday is going to be a big
one because if you win that, I think the hype
machine gets excited and we're like, all right, it's all
about can we take down Clemson? You know, if Clemson
happens to lose LSU, then you get excited.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
I mean, there's there's coaches of the teams on the
schedule who have an enormous amount of experience, but there
are also coaches on the teams of the schedule who
do not. And there is no situation in the game
of football that Bill Belichick has not been in where
he will not know exactly what to do in exactly
the right moment with the exactly right stringed pull. And
in addition, to everything about the program and the players
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and the transfers and all the stuff that in second
split decision decision making I think is going to be
a factor to his success.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
I'm with you, Rachel with the news.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News.
Speaker 13 (29:41):
All right.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Coming up next, we're going to talk to a former
NFL GM What is the endgame in Dallas?
Speaker 3 (29:46):
With Micah and Jerry. That's next.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
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Speaker 3 (29:59):
Back here on the I heard Oh boy, this next guest.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
He is one of the most accomplished front office guys
in recent NFL history. He's worked at he's currently working
with UVA, Iowa and Utah.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Scott Pioli.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Let's bring him in work with the Falcon chiefs.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Patrick briefly, my jet, Scott. How you doing?
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Man?
Speaker 12 (30:20):
Jay Mackham doing great? And I know Rachel's over there,
So what's up?
Speaker 5 (30:23):
Rachel? How are hey?
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Scott?
Speaker 7 (30:24):
How you been?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
We are well?
Speaker 12 (30:27):
Thank you well, thanks guys for having me. I really
really appreciate great to be here.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah, it's been an awesome week. We're having a lot
of fun.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Now we're not having as much fun as Charlottesville, Virginia,
a town I know, well going up in Virginia. By
the way, how are things looking for the for the
Cabs this year?
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Hey?
Speaker 12 (30:43):
This is it's you know, I'm not good at predicting things,
and I was always you know, I never predict. But
I'll tell you what, being around Tony Elliott, being around
there athletic director Carla Williams, there is some special stuff
going on here. Now we never know, right if all
the great stuff that's happening translates to win.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
But I'll tell you what.
Speaker 12 (31:01):
The way that Tony's doing things, the way that this
athletic department is doing things, it's going to be a
lot of.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Fun, kind of fun.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
They just do things the right way and they work
on the right stuff.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
College football is going through like a big transformational period
with all this nil are you I mean, as someone
who worked in the NFL and you're now seeing this,
I mean, it's like a totally different game sport almost.
Speaker 12 (31:25):
Yeah, yeah, Jay Mackott, it's fascinating. You know, I started
when I left the Falcons after the twenty nineteen draft,
Nick Saban hired me to come and do some work
for him at the University of Alabama as a consultant,
and then coach Kirby Kirby Smart brought me in there,
and then I worked for a number of different schools
and for Marcus up at Notre Dame. Anyway, they had
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me doing this one thing. But as this has evolved,
You're right, it's becoming a lot in a lot of ways,
very similar to professional sports, and not just for football programs,
but for entire athletic departments. Right the athletic each athletic
department that's in these power for conferences, they have twenty
point five million dollars to spend, not on football, but
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on all sports. So they're trying to figure out their
revenue sharing, how are they going to build their model
of how they're going to play pay student athletes, not
only in football but in every sport. So I'm spending
some time, and I tell you, it's a lot of fun,
and there's so many similarities. And you know, I'm down
for players being paid. I absolutely think that they should be.
(32:27):
I just hope that they start to build in some
things that make some of the crazy a little bit
more certainly.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
So, and what do you think in like building in
like can't transfer to multiple times or what kind of things.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Do you think?
Speaker 2 (32:41):
You know?
Speaker 12 (32:42):
The transfer thing is always so touchy, right because people
always go after the players when they transfer. But let's
remember coaches change jobs too, right, so I get the
transfer portal. Yet this I'm not smart enough to figure
out those answers. But there are people out there a
lot smarter than me that can figure out some of
the constructs that we can put in place to help
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young people. And I'm going to sound like an old
man here, but to help focus on being able to
chase your dream, chase something, chase something better, but also
have a degree of commitment and accountability. And when I
say that, that doesn't mean the kids shouldn't be able
to transfer, but we need to put things in that
make it more sensible and easier for them to understand
(33:26):
why they're doing not just that life's gotten too tough
and I'm not starting so I got to go somewhere else.
There's a lot to it, But I really hope that
they continue to build things out the right way. But
I'm down for so much that so many of the
changes that they have made, and.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
It's funny you use that phrasing. I'm not playing. I
want to go somewhere else. A guy you were part
of drafted. Tom Brady famously sat for a long time
at Michigan, got a chance.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
But yeah, anyways, but you talked about it.
Speaker 12 (33:55):
He has said publicly the fact that he was pushed
to go through the grind and to be uncomfortable and
to have to work and do more and suffer a
little bit. It also made him less entitled when.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
He got there.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Certainly, Yeah, let's talk money and a gentleman in Dallas.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
I kind of opened the show saying, listen, I don't
think Jerry Jones is serious about football and putting together
a good product.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
He cares about his name in the headlines and the valuation.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Of the Cowboys, because otherwise he wouldn't wait for the
last minute to sign Dak and Lamb and now Michael
Parsons and it's getting ugly. Michael Parsons getting a second
opinion on his back. His brother is tweeting out, this
is going twelve rounds. You've been at some ugly standoffs,
I assume, Oh yeah, but what's your takeaway here?
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (34:41):
Unfortunately, I have been a part of those things, and
I've always felt that the best thing to do is
to say nothing publicly on either side. You don't want
to try to leverage people publicly. And I think once
one side says something, then the other side feels like
they have to say something and becomes this unnecessary competitiness.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
And the bottom line is Michael wants to get paid.
Speaker 12 (35:05):
Mike should get paid, He should get paid a lot
of money, and Jerry wants to pay and they just
have to figure this thing out. I don't know Jerry's
reasons for, you know, making things and doing things and
doing business the way he does, but my instincts tell
me that he's he's going to make sure that he
gets business done at some point in time. I can't
believe that he would ever and that he or Steven
(35:28):
would ever let a player of Mike's ability get out
of that building. And the toughest things you bring up,
J Mack is you just hope during these kind of
you know, these controversial negotiations, you just need to work
as hard as possible to keep family business family business,
because inevitably, if you talk publicly, someone's going to say
(35:50):
something that hurts the other side, and you hope that
you can reel that stuff in later on.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
So I'm obsessed with team building. I really love talking
about this stuff. And we have a graphic. I hope
they could pull it that we used earlier in the
show about that twenty twenty one draft class that Michael
Parsons was in, and listens, Scott, all the best guys, Trevor, Lawrence,
Jamar Chase, Patrick, schurt In, they all were paid early.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Right now, you get that out.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Of the way.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Listen, you worked in front offices. There's one guy of
all the stars from this draft class in the first
round who has not been paid. There's also one guy
who's been the pro three times, only one and it's
Michael Parsons.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
So yeah, you know that.
Speaker 12 (36:31):
I can't I can't say I agree with the way
that business is getting done.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
And I here's the thing.
Speaker 12 (36:36):
If you pay someone early, it's going to be at
a discount because where wherever the tide is right now,
however high it is right now, it's going to be
less next year. And that's with every position because every
year we read, every single position, every year has a
new record setting contract done in its position.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
That's the way it happens.
Speaker 12 (36:57):
So the earlier that you get a deal done, the
more potential savings. Is it cash out the door right now?
Yes it is, but there's more potential savings. And you know,
I don't know too many teams that have signed really
good players that maintain playing well where it ends up
being a bad deal.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
The only bad.
Speaker 12 (37:17):
Deals is when when the player stinks it up or
the player gets injured, and then it doesn't work out.
So I'm all about the and that's how we were
most every place I ever worked.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
You tried to get the contracts done. You've brought Tom
Brady before.
Speaker 12 (37:31):
We got that deal done early, and because we did,
he was not only did he give us a discount,
but because of the market that we negotiated the contract in,
it was a discount just naturally.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
I again, I don't want to call out Jerry Jones
too much. He's kind of powerful. But Scott, when you
just think about that, which you just said, everywhere I've
worked for the last twenty years, and you work with
a lot of champs, that's how they do business. He
seems to be the only one not doing it that way.
Is there any guess as to why other than he
likes Fen's name in the headlines.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
No, but here's the other thing. I'll say. Here's the
other thing.
Speaker 12 (38:07):
He's a billionaire for a reason, so he knows how
to do business right. He has done something right or
a bunch of somethings right when it comes to business
to make money. He didn't just fall off the turnip truck.
He's done some smart things in his life to make money.
Why he does it this way, I don't know. And
I'm also not very good at speculating as to why
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people make certain decisions, so you know, to do business
a certain way. But you know, Jerry has clearly done
business that I have because I'm not looking at the
bank account that he is.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Well, you know, okay, we won't get it as billionaire status,
but I want to quick the pivot.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
I totally forgot about this.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
So we talked about Brock party yesterday, and I am
a Brock prety guy. I don't mind gassing him up.
I feel like I can rock with this guy. I
love his story. You were with Brady in the early
years when he took over for blood Sell, and I
keep trying to tell people like I I'm a nerdy sports.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Fan following the league.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Tom Brady, despite winning that for Super Bowl, was thought
of as a game manager for several years.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Isn't that what the storyline was with Brady, like, hey,
bloods it was.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
Yeah, But again, Revisions Revision's.
Speaker 12 (39:15):
History on things is very interesting, and with Tommy, you know,
it was it was interesting he was And again, a
game manager isn't a bad thing. When you call the
game manager, that generally means you're doing a lot of
really smart stuff, you're making a lot of really good decisions,
and you're winning football games usually. And with Brady, he
was still developing. And I think that's the there's different
(39:37):
kind of game managers. Is it a game manager that's developing?
And again, I've never I don't know why people get
insulted by game managing, you know, being called gay managers,
because that's part of the job of being the quarterback.
That's part of what you have to do. When we
started things early on, Tommy was still developing. He was
developing his skills, he was developing his accuracy, he was
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developing his foot movement, his movement in the pocket, and
we had a really good defense. People forget that we
had a twelve hundred yard rusher in Antoine Smith. We
had a really really good defense and he was surrounded
by good people and good players. Therefore, that made his
development better. And the other thing about player development, particularly
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at the quarterback position, I still believe it's very much circumstantial.
And Tommy was in the right program for him and
he was the right guy for us.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
So it wasn't one or the other. And it wasn't
just Tommy and Bill.
Speaker 12 (40:33):
I mean, Dick Raybon did an incredible job working with
him his first year.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
Charlie Weiss did an incredible job.
Speaker 12 (40:39):
He also did a super job of play calling to
the strengths of Tom Brady. And that's what Kyle Shanahan
is doing with Rock Party. You know, I think quarterbacks
need to end up in the right situations and the
right people. It has to be the right marriage, and
he gives them a chance to develop. And there's a
lot of things that are really right for per you know,
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between Kyle and Bobby Turner, their running back coach, and
what Kyle learned from his dad Mike, they know the
running game. They are incredible in the running game, which
allows them to play action pass which really helps purty
in terms of his protection and how much time he has,
so it all kind of works together.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
J MaTx.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
I love that. That what a great answer.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
And I don't want to act like game manager's derogatory,
but when these quarterback lists come out Scott, it's always like,
oh yeah, Brock, perty's like ten to eighteen and I'm like, guys,
he's been dominant for three years.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
And Jamack here one hundred percent.
Speaker 12 (41:36):
Right.
Speaker 5 (41:36):
Here's the other thing is look at how many games
he's won.
Speaker 12 (41:40):
And more importantly, one of our sayings was always you know,
you end up losing more.
Speaker 5 (41:45):
Games than you win.
Speaker 12 (41:47):
Yeah. Right, And when you look at those quarterbacks, how
many games have they lost? I'm not talking about wins
and losses, but do they lose you games? Are they
doing dumb things in order for you to lose games?
Speaker 5 (41:59):
That's not what you're looking for it. Brock doesn't do that.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
I hope people will listening to Scott, the only longtime
NFL fixture in front offices.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Great stuff and enjoy the college seasons, buddy.
Speaker 8 (42:08):
J Max.
Speaker 5 (42:09):
Thanks very much, Rachel, take care, see you Scott.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
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