September 2, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin reacts to Bill Belichick getting blown out by TCU in his college coaching debut and why the legendary head coach has fallen behind the modern state of football
He gives his thoughts on the Packers trading for Micah Parsons and why it's not the huge loss for the Cowboys that some may think
Ohio State HC Ryan Day joins The Herd to talk about the Buckeyes win over the Longhorns
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
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our final Herd hierarchy moving into the season. We're all
a little ten ready to roll Jmax. So that was
about as bad last I knew what today's lead was
going to be, and for at least five to seven
minutes it was a masterpiece for UNC Michael Jordan and
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Roy Williams that ended up being an.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
All time Conker.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I mean, that is as bad twenty nine to ten
first downs. So there was a lot of hope. Even
TCU's a social media team is mocking Carolina Football today.
So of all the discussion about Bill Belichick, the big
concern I had was, remember I talked about this forty transfers,
It's like a friends and family coaching staff. There's three Belichicks,
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and Mike Lombardi and his son, and then there's Belichick's girlfriend,
and then there's Jamie Collins who's never been a coach,
but he played with Belichick. It kind of feels like
a friends and family staff. And I saw that with
Bill Belichick at.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
The end of New England.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
He didn't hire the best coaches available. He hired the
guys he was most comfortable with. Young Bill Belichick would
have fired this. Bill Belichick, he's seeking comfort. You can't
coach in a gated community. Nick Saban goes out and
hires Lane Kiffen Is the OC. They were at each
other's throats. Saban was not seeking the most comfortable guy
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to hire. He brought in Lane, Lane's ego, but Lane's
a great coach, and Saban continually would go get the
best coach available. After the first drive, they had a
really nice scripted first drive. After that, six drives without
completing a pass. Because the game has changed, you have
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to take offense. Seriously, Freddy Kitchens is the OC. He
was already on staff, you know, so why putting the
effort into going out and getting the best OC on
the market.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
We'll just move up.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Freddy Kitchens was Freddie Kitchens up for elite offensive coordinator
jobs in the NFL or college.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
He wasn't, but he was on staff.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
This is like what they did in New England where
they made the DC the offensive coordinator. Wen't worry about
offense tomorrow. This offense isn't good. This is when Belichick
interviewed with the Atlanta Falcons. Remember he laid out his
plan and one of the reports or two of the
reports were, well, he wanted to hire his guys. McVeigh.
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McVeigh coaches his guys. Then they go on and become
good head coaches. Andy Reid, he'll coach his guys, then
they leave. You ever notice with Belichick, it's a lot
of the people that stick around. They may leave, they
always come back. So I watched last night Sunny Dikes,
by the way, the coach at TCU, his dad was
a legendary coach. You know what, they never worked together.
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They didn't want the nepotism. They didn't work together. So
as I watched the game unfold, the longer it went,
you could see the gap in coaching. And some of
this is forty transfers. I mean, I gotta be honest.
The transfer portal feels a little like Bitcoin. Everybody thinks
they're going to get rid and it's a lot of
nonsense and hope and hi ope, and I'm not really
sure you're ever going to be able to buy a
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really nice house with it. But hey, it sounds great.
Let's bring in all these new players. But I think
Belichick has become the chef that won't change the menu
bill in his career, if you count the Browns, the Patriots,
and Carolina last night without Tom Brady has averaged nineteen
points in his career. Forget the record, which is unimpressive,
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sub five hundred. He doesn't move the ball. He doesn't
take offense seriously enough, change the menu, update the weight
staff to new menu. It's a new area of town
and there are all the hipsters around. You are taking
offense seriously. So I watched TCU. I watched their quarterback,
I watched their offense. They dabbled just a little in
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the transfer portal. That was a well coached team, and
the longer the game went, the more they pulled away.
But you know, this is again it feels like Bill
has moved into a time in his life where he
just wants to work with coaches. He's comfortable with the people,
he's comfortable with. You know, there was a years and
years ago on this show, I think it was Urban
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Meyer had said he had talked to Bill, you know,
and at one point Bill had said, you know, there's
certain players I'm just not going to coach anymore. That
is the opposite of the early Bill Belichick. You took
guys that could be a little crazy. You took guys
that didn't make it comfortable. You had to be a
mentor to some of the coaches. They didn't know your system.
But that's okay. That is how you grow in life
with a little discomfort. You have to bark. Occasionally things
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go a little sideways. I just I had concerns coming
into this thing. Is that TCU came in with a
staff that had been around, They knew college football. But
this was way worse than I thought at its worst
it could be.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
And here's Bill.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
After they just outplayed us. They out coached us. I mean,
it was just better than we were tonight, That's all
it was to it. They controlled both sides of the
line of scrimmage. There's skilled players played well, you know
they they just they did a lot more things right
than we did. We're better than what we were tonight.
But we have to go out there and I show
that improve it. So nobody's going to do it for us.
We'll have to do ourselves. And that's what we're going
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to do.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
All right.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
So the second story, and this happened several days ago,
but ESPN threw a slew of reporters at it. It's
a very interesting read. It's inside the Cowboys decision to
trade Micah Parsons. And so I'm always a little and
I think all the reporters on this Don ben Not
is very good seth Wickersham has a lot of good reporters,
Jeremy Fowler, these are really talented people. I'm always a
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little gun shy about crushing the player because i know
where the leaks come from. There's a lot of leaks
from the Cowboys side, you know, protecting the enterprise and
protecting the brand and their stories here that he wasn't
good in the weight room.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
He didn't get treatment regularly.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
He participated in walked throughs, but his behavior could be odd,
and you know in the locker room he was kind
of a deflating energy. A lot of this stuff I
don't want to get into because I know where it's
coming from. The Cowboys got crushed for this move, and
now they want to make it look like, well, the
Packers are getting damaged goods here. The Packers are getting
a playmaker. But I still support the move. Now, I
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don't think I talked to somebody over the weekend. I
don't think Michael was the most popular guy in the
locker room. Albert Breer reported that Zach Martin, Ceedee Lamb,
and Dack are more popular.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Not by the way, Jalen Hurts, believe it or not,
is not the most beloved layer in the Eagles locker room.
Sa Kwon Barkley is loved in that locker room. Jalen
Hurts a little hit and miss does his own thing.
Not everybody loved Peyton Manning. He would bark at his friends.
Jeff Saturday. I don't care if the quarterback Troy Aikman
legendary Barkinget coaches, Barcinet players. So I don't care if
you're the most loved guy, but I will say this,
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when you pay a guy forty seven million, and that's
what that's what he wanted. You got to have the
cake made right like like they needed in Dallas because
they're not Green Bay. They don't have the culture right
now or the lead. They needed Michael Parsons to be
more than just seball go get it, and that's largely
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what he was. He's just gonna go wreck a play.
The problem is they have a week coaching staff right
now in Dallas. It's not a great roster, it may
not be a great culture. And here's the thing. When
you're gonna give forty seven million to a guy and
you're still kind of you're kind of in a soft rebuild,
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you need it more than just have ig followers and
some sacks. And Dallas now to me, has flexibility. And
Jerry Jones has always played himself off as a big
deal maker and he's an oil catter, kind of a maverick, right.
He was a pushback guy. If you watched the documentary
on Netflix, he's a wild catter. They called it, so
he was a deal maker. The problem is the last
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two years, they can't make any deals. They have no flexibility.
They had the worst running back room in the league,
and they couldn't go by Derrick Henry for eight million dollars,
which we kept pounding the table on this show in
Baltimore did so they couldn't make any deals that was
only going to get worse paying Micah forty seven million.
And so now they've got four first round picks in
the next couple of years, and they have real flexibility.
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That's what Dallas needs because in this sport right now,
is there any greater deal maker than Howie Roseman in
their division? Twice a year with the Eagles. No, I mean,
Philadelphia is tweaking. They're doing chess Dallas's checkers, and they
couldn't even make moves on checkers over the last couple
of years in free agency. So it gives them flexibility,
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it gives them multiple first round picks. I would certainly
look at drafting another quarterback next year in the first
round if I could. I know you're all in love
with Dak, but this insistence that Dallas got host folks,
I've seen Dak Ceedee, Lamb and Mike in the playoffs. Yeah,
I saw those guys get housed by the Green Bay
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Packers in Dallas. And that was the youngest playoff team
since nineteen seventy buff Bills. Remember, green Bay walked in
that thing about three series in was over. The Packers
came with with a bunch of twenty three year old kids.
Blew them out, Jordan Love bleuw them out.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
So I've seen this.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I don't get the rints in repeat factor or this insistence.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I mean the thing about Micah.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
He's a really good fit for what green Bay needs now,
but Dallas needs flexibility more than an edge rusher who
disappears at times against the best left tackles he goes
up against. He's never been a guy with great instincts
or great eyes. That's why you can't use him in
a stack linebacker inside space. You need him to just
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go and wreck plays. I'd have trouble paying forty seven million.
So I think it two things can be true. I
think he works right now for green Bay. But this
idea that I've seen CD Dak and Micah. I got
one playoff win, that's it. And this coaching staff in
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my opinion, is worse than that coaching staff that got
housed by the Packers. Here's Micah.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
Winning is everything to me.
Speaker 7 (11:10):
I don't think you're gonna find a more competitive person
on the team or anywhere NFL when it comes to
anything we do. So when you talk about winning in
the stage of what it takes, I haven't been there,
and I don't know what it takes. But I got
a funny feeling that you know a lot of this
history this program does you know, they weren't further than us,
and obviously they had a big one against us, and
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I trust coach Lafleur, and uh, you know, I really
feel like, you know, we can do it. And like
I said, I really want to win real bad.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Coach Lafleur and the youngest playoff team since the nineteen
seventy Buffalo Bills had a twenty seven nothing lead on Dallas.
And Dallas So I've never understood this. I know, to
a fault, I'm a non traditionalist, but this haf to
this idea that I just can't let go of stars.
I don't get it there. Everybody's different windows. Dallas is
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in a reboot. Dallas may have a new coaching staff
by next year. I'd seen Micah in big games against
the best left tackles, and he could be grabbed and
became kind of invisible in big spots. He served you well.
You got a lot of plays out of him. But
it's a different time, and I think Dallas the ability
to have some self awareness and acknowledge Green Bay's super
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Bowl team.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
We're not.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Let's get first round picks. I totally support with Dallas.
I've been banging on this team for years. You need
more good players, not a forty seven million dollar edge rusher.
You already overpaid for Dak. You paid CD about what
he deserves. You don't need to pay an edge rusher
forty seven million. You have two first rounders next year,
get a quarterback later first round, Go get another edge rusher.
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He'll be a lot cheaper Jamak. We have got in
one hour from now, our final herd hierarchy in to
the regular season, plus snick right, Ryan Day of the Buckeyes,
that was a very impressive start by them. Well, listen,
I thought the yards of offense now, but I see
I contend that Ryan Day in Ohio State watched the
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first two series and they saw how much trouble Matt
Patricia NFL guy was giving Arch Manning, and I believe
Ryan Day got on a headset and looked at it.
I mean, I can see this from TV. That was
one of those guys. Let's just play field position. We're
gonna be okay here.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
You could argue if they score on the tush push,
maybe it's a different environment. But I thought, I thought,
if there was any criticism of Ohio State, they played
a little safe. But if you were on that field
and you're Ryan Day and I am here to you,
the distance me and arch Manning, and I'm watching his feet,
his arm mechanics, the slotting like he was off.
Speaker 8 (13:53):
Yeah, I kind of crushed him yesterday and people were
coming after me on Texas.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
They take a deep breath. It's one game.
Speaker 8 (13:58):
Come on arch set for two years. He knows this
system well. He couldn't do anything against the Buck guy.
That surprised me big time. Yeah, we'll have some thoughts
on that.
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I'm like, folks, it takes about six months to let
this stuff bake. And my take is with arch Manning,
I don't want to go overboard. It was his first
big start. It's in Columbus against Ohio State against Matt Patricia,
an NFL elite NFL defensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
You maybe have heard of Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
They bulldozed the country last year in our last three
or four games, So it was not exactly it's like
opening on Broadway. You didn't get any local theater. It
was a rough open, but I didn't want it to
look like that. The mechanics were off. Sometimes he waded
into pressure, sometimes he didn't feel real pressure. I didn't
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like the arms slotting. He side armed a couple, he
skipped open guys. He missed a lot of lamps. So
people say, well, he's only been at Texas two years.
He was an early en roll lee. If you go
from that day until today, it's about three years and
Sark is known as a great offensive quarterbacks coach. So
I did not like the way it looked. My takeaway
during the game was, you know what, this kid needs
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the Manning passing academy. He needs the family's own academy.
He just looked off. I also did not love the
multiple TV commercials. Like a little more self awareness. I
want more touchdown passes than ad campaigns, please. And I've
been critical of a lot of quarterbacks, not just arch Manning.
I understand nerves, I understand jitters. The schedule I looked
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at it this morning. Let's just say there's a three
game winning streak coming. So it was a brutal opening.
He will not face a defensive coordinator. Even Sark admitted
after the game, he goes, that was the elite coverage.
These NFL coordinators, they're all very good against the pass,
or they get fired. You have to be good as
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an NFL defensive coordinator as a path against the pass
in college football, stop the run because you're very rarely
face an elite quarterback. Stop the run in college as
a coordinator, you're mostly good. In the NFL, you got
to make sure that Josh Allen or b don't go
thirty three of thirty seven. So Matt Patricia is going
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to be the best defensive coordinator he ever faces. It
was the buck Eyes, it was Columbus. It is a
buzzsuit buzzsaw on big games at the Shoe. So I'm
gonna give him a little pass. But it shouldn't look
like that. That wasn't just Jitters. That's three years with Sark.
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The mechanics didn't understand or feel pressure sometimes moved into it.
I was sitting with people who have been in football
for a long time, and it was a little jaw dropping.
It was a little daunting to watch. So here is
arch after.
Speaker 8 (17:43):
Yeah, ultimately not good enough.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
Obviously you don't want to start off season hing to one.
They're a good team.
Speaker 10 (17:48):
But I thought we beat ourselves a lot, and that
starts with me, and I got to play better for
us to win.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
Can't wait till the second half to kind of get
things going.
Speaker 10 (17:56):
I thought we we could have played better, and I
could have played a lot better.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
So this bond we connects cute.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Now, remember Joe Burrow with LSU's talent. His first year
transferring to LSU, completed fifty seven percent of his throws.
He had some rocky ones, you know. Nick Saban's first
year at Bama he lost at home to Louisiana Monroe.
Matt Stafford second year in Georgia completed like fifty five
percent of his throws. So it's a game, and the
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schedule gets cupcake soft. But it's I talk about this
all the time. I've always defended. I've seen Brady throw
pick sixes and Super Bowls, breeze overshoot a guy down
the sideline by twenty yards. There's a big energy. That's
not what I saw. I saw layups. I saw easy
stuff skipped, and that's that is troubling. Tom Brady talked
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about there may be some good that comes out of
a humiliating performance.
Speaker 11 (18:51):
There's a blessing and a curse in some of it.
The curses a lot of people, Paulong. The blessing is,
I don't believe a quarterback. There needs to be resilience
built up in the quarterback as well. So even though
he didn't have his best game today and they lost,
if he uses this to his advantage, arch, he's gonna
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be tougher for it, and he's gonna have a better
next game because of it.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
And again people are saying, hey, don't crush the kid.
Nobody's crushing him. But the Manning family is different. This
is not just a kid in the bright lights. I
said this a couple of weeks ago, like Manning family
dinners are events, like it's the Manning family, it's American
football royalty.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
So I think it's.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Fair to say, wow, that doesn't look close to being
where he should be at after two and a half
three years with Sark and Texas talent. I think that
is fair. I don't think that's mean. I think that
is fair today to say j Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
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Speaker 8 (20:01):
All right, Colin, Let's go right to Chicago, the Windy City.
Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams their first regular season game
Monday night football.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Vikings are favored in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Well, they have the better roster. We would admit Minnesota's
probably got a better composition.
Speaker 8 (20:19):
Yeah, but still is Chicago at home under the bright lights.
In a recent interview, Ben Johnson says one of the
biggest challenges will be getting all their weapons the football.
Speaker 12 (20:30):
It's completely different personnel. So we're gonna do what our
guys do best. And I think we've got weapons in
every room, you know, running back, tight end, receiver, and
so it's gonna be it's gonna be hard on us
coaches to make sure that we're getting everybody the ball.
Speaker 8 (20:46):
So two ways to look at this. One is, hey,
we got we got a lot of guys. The other is, hey, Caleb,
we've got weapons. You better deliver.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, it is no presser, no presser, Caleb. I gotta
tell you, I looked at this schedule. This is maybe
the most fascinating game. It's not just the Caleb Williams story.
We do not know what JJ McCarthy is. I at
least have seen Caleb Williams. I mean he only had
six picks last year. We saw his dynamic athletic ability.
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I have no idea. Now I love Minnesota's O line,
left tackles back Justin Jefferson. I think you know you
know how Matt Patricia was the secret sauce in the
Buckeyes Longhorns game. Brian Flores. Caleb Williams against Brian Flores
is the secret sauce in this the defensive coordinates. Yeah,
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I gotta tell you my early lean is I like
Minnesota here.
Speaker 8 (21:43):
Yeah, I would look at the under I'm with you.
Brian Flore as good. But Brian Floyds was employed last
year by the Fay. He's an awesome Patricia was unemploy
he was doing podcasts last year. Now he's dominating in
Ohio state. And I look at these weapons in Colin. Honestly,
they're good. God Swift is very good. We like DJ
Moore is a fantasy breakout guy. A lot of people
think he's gonna pop. Colston Loveland is an exceptional Titan.
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I think if you maybe I'm being too negative, But
if you read between the lines on this comment by Ben.
We just got to get it. We don't have any
quarterback problems. We got to get everybody the ball. It's like,
I don't know that that Beigent contract surprised me. I
don't want to be too negative, but like, I think
more pressure on Caleb in this game than JJ McCarthy's debut.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
There's no question.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
And Chicago's you know, they call it Minnesota nice. Minnesota
doesn't get hostile. Chicago gets hostile fast. It's a big,
loud Philadelphia, Boston, Chicago. They have expectations. I am fascinated
and I just don't know. I mean, if you told
me I get to watch one game this weekend, it's
Bears Vikings and for both quarterbacks, I know I have
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two brilliant offensive coaches.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Charger's Chiefs, Eagles.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Cowboys without all that game's over in the second quarter.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I think love's going up by the way, just the coaches.
Chicago Minnesota, those two teams have so many elite offensive weapons.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
That's your number one game of the week.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Oh, I think it's fascinating because there's such a mystery
behind the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Jet Steelers not remotely all right.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
Let's move on to Jalen Hurts and then defending Super
Bowl champion Eagles. There will not be a Super Bowl hangover.
Look at that line. You see that eight and a
half is opened at seven.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I know although numbers are at seven, it was the
bet of the weekend Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
This could be a beatdown.
Speaker 8 (23:33):
Let's just go to the Diana Russini believes Jalen Hurts
mentality will be the key to the team's success this year.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Jalen views this season so differently than he has every
other year because now that he has the ring.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
It's a completely different mentality.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
The pressure's off, right, He's done.
Speaker 11 (23:49):
It now, So now it almost feeds into the confidence
that he's done it.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
He knows how to do it. He knows how to
win in the big moments.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Favorite part about Jalen Hurts And I was talking with somebody.
I was gone for about nine ten days and I
was talking to somebody about nine or ten days ago,
and they so said, people would be surprised to know
that Jalen's not the most popular player in the locker room,
but he may be the most respected. Is that Jalen
really goes to the beat to his own drummer. You know,
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he's got his management team, it's all women. He does
his own thing, he's got his own view of it.
And I think he's one of those athletes that will
be totally unaffected by winning. I think he's got a
very I think good parents, strong parents, He's got a
real strong sense of self. I think Jalen Hurts is
one of those unique athletes that he just the heartbeat,
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doesn't change. Win or lose, you get the same guy.
And he's not really concerned. They call it inner scoreboard.
He's not really concerned what I think of him, the
media thinks of him, the fans think of him good,
He's not necessarily always concerned what his teammates think of him.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I've heard he's just he's guy.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I've said before at the podium, he's the best I've
ever seen. That is a noisy team and a noisy town,
and a noisy fan base and a noisy media. His personality,
you would never know on the Wednesday pressure if they
won by thirty or lost, you would never know.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
So he was at Alabama thriving, then gets benched, very humbly,
goes to Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
What happened right back in the playoff.
Speaker 8 (25:26):
This guy's you can't stop him. He's really I like
your point. He tunes out the outside, he does he
does not give a crack. He really doesn't.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
It's it's it's the opposite of a guy now that
I like Baker Mayfield. Remember Baker's first two years in Cleveland.
He heard everything. Jalen hears nothing.
Speaker 8 (25:42):
He's not favoriting tweets here.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
He's in his own zone. He is he is if
you're there, if you're talking in tangibles, his are as
good as anybody's I've seen.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
Are you surprised there's not more chatter about the Eagles repeating.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
I had not heard any. It was Chiefs. Hey can
they three beat? Can the Chiefs?
Speaker 8 (26:03):
There's like nothing about the Eagles. You like the Rams.
A lot of people talking forty nine ers, schedule, Green
Bay ads, Micah.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I almost feel like the Eagles are undervalued. Colin. I
don't want to say I unloaded on the Eagles here
in this game. If they smashed Dallas and.
Speaker 8 (26:17):
I'm talking like another thirty four to seven, because they
beat him badly twice last year. I just wonder if
people are like, maybe I don't want to say dynasty.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
They've been to two Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
To Dylan Hurds, I have the best composition of elite
older players, prime players, young player.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I get the best young players in the league.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
They also have multiple guys in their prime.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
They're all in the offensive line.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah, so they they and they so they tend to
be They move off guys a year early than late.
They're never afraid to move off good older players.
Speaker 8 (26:45):
The final story is your guy, Matthew Stafford. Now we
were texting about this yesterday. There is some concern about
Stafford and his back despite him starting in week one.
McVeigh says he's expected to start. I mean, come on,
they're not going to hold Stafford out. But the key
story here is left tackle Alaric Jackson. He had blood clots.
He just started practicing, participating in yesterday's practice, and McVeigh
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says the plan is for him to shut up.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Now, maybe there's some gamesmanship.
Speaker 8 (27:13):
Hey, Stafford's back Jackson with the blood cut.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Or I throw this is the upset of the weekend potentially.
So I have Will Anderson, one of the best young
rush ends. I have a left tackle that hasn't practiced
until this week, and a quarterback that by the way,
he's dB Cooper all camp.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Where is he?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Like? Honestly, this game, if you're a Rams staff this
game has to terrify you.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
If there's one thing.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
You want to have ready to go when you play Houston,
your left tackle, your offensive tackles. And I think Havenstein
did he have another shoulder surgery? He's had a couple
of them this game. If I'm the Rams is now
Davonte Adams, I think is real juice. But when I'm
reading the story on their left tackle, I'm like, this
is not the team to have a under practice left tackle.
Speaker 8 (28:03):
But at the same time, what about the Rams defense?
You love them, how they improved and is an undergame under.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
And I'm not. I don't have a side bet at all.
Speaker 8 (28:14):
I mean, listen Texas whole new offensive line basically and against.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
The Rams front with your boy Verse.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
Who people are betting him to win Defensive Player of
the Year, Like that's how much height there is?
Speaker 1 (28:23):
He was sensational, was excellent, and he got better first
quadrant of the cisore. Our guys have a stat here.
Stafford has struggled in Week one.
Speaker 8 (28:33):
Remember no preseason back, so maybe the Rams come out sluggish,
I heavy kyrin Williams game. Perhaps, but yeah, I'm with you.
I like the I like low scoring game.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Jmack with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the line. I want to touch on
this again. So there's a story at ESPN. They put
all their best reporters on it, and listen. I'm not
blaming the reporters, but Dallas is getting a little chirpy
and chippy because Dallas is getting crushed for the trade
of Micah.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
And I would have made the movie a year ago.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
But I do think the draft picks Dallas accumulated next
year are better than the ones in this draft, because
this was a week draft and next year is an
unbelievable draft. But here's the difference. Green Bay has a
great coach, Dallas doesn't. Green Bay has winning momentum Dallas doesn't.
Green Bay has their culture set Dallas doesn't. Green Bay
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is a Super Bowl capable team, Dallas isn't. So you
need Mica. You need Micah to be the cake and
the icing in Dallas. Green Bay just needs them to
be the icing. They've got the coach, coach, the culture,
the offense, a team first, mentality. They don't need much.
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They need a game wrecker. And green Bay is in
a division with Kevin O'Connell, Ben Johnson, Dan Campbell and
that great offensive weaponry in Detroit. They got to get
to the quarterback. And green Bay does almost everything well
except find game wreckers on defense. They did it with
Charles Woodson, they did it with Reggie White, and I
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think that history and that success of taking a huge swing,
which green Bay doesn't do a lot, I think they
look at this and they think, this is our Charles Woodson,
this is our Reggie White. So I think everybody's got
different windows. I think it works. Micah isn't for everybody.
I tend to think he's he wanted forty seven million,
But for green Bay, everybody's windows are different.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Green Bay is is.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
They needed a disruptor, They need a distraction, They need
a playmaker because they're in division with some of the
smartest offensive people in the league, and they got to
get the ball back to their offense. So I thought
green Bay it was the time to place. It's a
little more than I want to pay, but you know
they're paying. They're paying Jordan Love and they're paying Micah
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and quarterback and game wreckers. And they also are a
team that drafts and develops exceedingly well over the last
thirty years. They're a team that gets third, fourth, fifth
round players to perform quickly and for long stretches. So
I'm always like Philadelphia does. I'm always going to say
teams like that can take bigger swings because they get
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so many inexpensive players in the second, third, fourth, and
fifth rounds. And Green Bay has been doing that forever.
They've had great offensive lines the last thirty years. They
almost never draft offensive lineman in the first round. So
I like it for green Bay, I like it for
Dallas and Ryan Day of the Buckeyes.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
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Speaker 1 (31:44):
Well college football delivered in a big way. Notre Dame
Miami clems in LSU, Ohio State beats Texas. Ryan Day's
a busy guy. He always takes time for our show,
and I've told him how much I appreciate that. Seventh
season at Ohio State. By the way, is the only
active coach with a NAT is one over eighty five
percent of his games.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
So when you hired Matt Patricia.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
He wasn't the bell of the ball, and not everybody
was going, hey, brilliant higher Chip Kelly was different.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Everybody's like, that's gonna work.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
But what did you see with Matt Patricia who'd had
a little coaching turbulence. What did you see Ryan, because
he clearly was a problem for Arch and that Texas offense.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
Yeah, it's always.
Speaker 10 (32:26):
Great to be on your show, Colin, thanks for having me.
First off, I'm known Matt for a while. I know
the type of person he is. He's a great man,
he's a great husband, great father, and he really early
on built relationships and trust within the building in a
short period of time with the staff and they you know,
Tim Walton, McCrary, Larry Johnson, James Lurneitis and the players
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deserve a ton of the credit. But that being said,
you know, Matt put it all together. And it's only
a start. We had a long way to go, but certainly,
you know, for our first game of the year with
an inexperienced group going on the field, it was a
good start.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
It was a weird early start for you.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
You got pinned deep a couple of times, and some
Buckeye fans are like, we gained a couple of hundred yards.
But my takeaway was, and I said this from the
television set, I could see how uncomfortable arch Manning was,
And I said, if I was Ryan Day, I would
have just told I would have gotten on my heads
and said, guys, this is bad field position. Get out
of here. Let's not take big swings. Did you find
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yourself because of the situation you were in offensively that
yet that maybe you did get a little bit more
conservative with Julian, say in your quarterback, just because you
were pinned, but Patricia was giving Arch in Texas fits.
Did you find yourself, you know, changing things in game.
Speaker 10 (33:45):
Yes, Well, we had a large call sheet, and on
that call sheet was a bunch of different continuency plans,
you know if if you know, it's a high scoring game,
if we go up by a score, if we go
down by a score. We felt like, you know, there
was a point where we were fairly you know, in
control of the game. We had that long drive, I
think we had over eight minutes we scored. I felt
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like the defense was playing well and we were pinned.
We got to do a better job of that. You know,
in field position. You know, we have to find ways
not to get pinned inside our ten yard line. Now,
different situation, as you know, Julian, you know matures. You know, well,
we'll start, you know, opening it up. But we didn't
want to turn the ball over down there and put
our defense in a bad spot. And that's one of
the first things in our plan to win is play
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great defense. And a part of playing great defense is
sometimes making sure you play the field position game. Now,
we don't love that, you know, in terms of you know,
we want to be explosive, we want to open this
thing up, We want to score a ton of points,
which which you know, but at the end of the day,
the number one goal in a game.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
Like this was to win.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
I think when you have a player like Jeremiah Smith,
who is so sensational, and I've said this about the
NFL sometimes that young quarterbacks, you know, Dak Prescott goes
to the Cowboys with Dez Bryant, and you want to
get in the ball. You feel almost guilty if you don't.
And when you have a player like you, guys are
basically wide receiver. University in America is Ohio State and
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you have so many gifted receivers and you have such
a gifted quarterback. Do you find yourself because I thought
your team was very physical, and to me, Ohio State football,
it's physical football. How do you balance the You know,
we can do fast and finesse, we can be really pretty,
but that's not necessarily what one this weekend. This weekend
was toughness and physicality. Is that a tough balance for
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you with the quality of perimeter stars you have.
Speaker 10 (35:33):
Well, I think you always have to build an identity
with every team that you have, and we wanted to
build that identity early on.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
Is that we were going to play physical.
Speaker 10 (35:42):
We were going to play downhill, The running backs were
going to get downhill, and guys were going to finish
around the ball.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
I think you saw a lot of that. Can we
get better?
Speaker 10 (35:51):
Absolutely do We have a long way to go, for sure,
But I think once you build that foundation with the
type of receivers and skill that we have, and as
the quarterback continues to build confidence, that's where when you
can do both well. You can get ugly fours and
you can get dirty, and you can score in the
red zone and convert on short yardage because there was
a short yardage situation we didn't we didn't convert.
Speaker 6 (36:10):
On early in the game, like we got to do that.
Speaker 10 (36:13):
But then you also can spread it out and get
the ball to your playmakers and play in an open game.
That's when you have a chance to win championships. And
that's the goal, the goals and just to win the
first game. It's to win championships down the road to.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Build What is.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
You know when you hired Chip Kelly, who is your
longtime friend, and you know he brings some NFL but
college is different. We saw Belichick struggle last night. Is
it when you listen because you're you're the CEO of
this program?
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Is this going to be a trend?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
I like the idea that years ago, I felt like
college and pro football Ryan were totally different sports, and
I don't feel like that now. I kind of feel
like Chip works either way. I'm watching Matt Patricia that
clearly worked. Is do you think this will start a trend?
Because I was always kind of cynical on these NFL
g coming to college they'd be impatient.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
I don't know. It feels like it kind of works
to me.
Speaker 6 (37:06):
I think there's a lot of things that come into play,
and I agree with you. I think that's absolutely the case.
Speaker 10 (37:11):
I think the game, first off, is much more similar
to the NFL. Now, you know, the hash marks are different,
and that is significant. But the way the clock moves
now after every first down, the clock used to stop.
Now that only happens inside of two minutes, so the
games go quicker. Second thing that's different is now that
we can go coach to player communication. You're seeing the
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huddle more so the games and the number of plays
has shrunk way down. And then when it used to
be tempo where there was eighty five ninety plays, that
was a different style of game where everything was spread out.
I don't think you're seeing it as spread out as
it used to be. And then you take all the
things that are going on off the field with salary
caps and il in terms of you know, the way
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you structure your staff, unlimited coaches. That's why I think
you're seeing a lot more similarities. And then also the
play I mean that's different. And when you go to
the playoffs now that's that you have to be playing
your best football at the end of the season, where
in the past when it was just you know, a
fourteen playoff or even before that.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
That was a whole different dynamic. Well, that was fun
to watch. I got to tell you that it's sixteen news.
I think you have sixteen News starters, don't you? Was
it sixteen?
Speaker 6 (38:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (38:20):
Yeah, we we last year when we finished the season,
I think it was just under seven hundred starts with
the twenty two that started like under their belt, and
I think going into this game we were under two hundred,
so it was it was significant.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yeah, hey, congrats, that was fun. It's always fun to win,
but that was really fun. That was a big stage.
Speaker 10 (38:38):
Coach, congrats, Well it was good for college football, you know,
open up something like that.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
The stadium, the atmosphere was tremendous.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Unbelievable, all the all the big dogs delivered. Ryan Day,
Ohio State congratulates. Oh by the way, Julian sand One
more question. Because he's a young kid and I'd only
watched him on YouTube. I thought, you know, I love
the core, back position, the feet, the mechanics. What was
your takeaway when it was when you're walking back to
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the locker room you put your arm around him. What
do you say about his opening performance?
Speaker 10 (39:10):
I think the first thing is when you have young quarterbacks,
you asked him what did you see, and when they
can come over and tell you what they saw, and
then you watch the iPad after that drive and it
is exactly what he saw. That's a heck of it.
That's a great start. Like you said, I thought his
feet moved well. I thought he was accurate with the ball.
He made a couple off schedule plays, and then he
threw the ball away and took care of it. We
needed to again, all good starts, long way to go,
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but we could work with that.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Thanks, Ryan, appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (39:36):
You got to contac here man.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, by the way of all the young quarterbacks, I
would say Julian saying now he was at home. But
I thought he looked really comfortable. I thought car CJ.
Carr for Notre Dame had some moments. He made a
throwout in the flat with a Miami Hurricane standing there
that eventually got bounced around and intercepted. Garrett Nusmeyer again,
a lot of snaps. He looked good. So experience matters. Yeah,
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I thought last night Hoover, the quarterback for TCU, goes
on the road. He's a third year starter. I don't
think he's a great NFL prospect. He's got a lot
of snaps, a familiar coaching staff. So I thought Julian
saying in a way it benefited him. The whole discussion
was arch Manning and he could just go out and
play with a more experienced ow line, and I thought,
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I thought he looked really comfortable.
Speaker 8 (40:23):
Not to be negative, but who was more disappointing, Cad
Klubnick or arch Manning because Kate Klubnick's been around the
block and for him to just do nothing, I mean
he missing guys white open.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
I thought, I thought Garrett Nussmeier had. I thought he
was excellent.
Speaker 8 (40:39):
He looks like a pro. Now we know the lineage.
Obviously he's good. Albert Breers hyped him up. But Clubnick
was just extremely disappointing. Colin, I'll say this, Carson Bex
looks like a totally different play.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
For the record, Mario Cristobal, Miami's coach is an offensive
line guy.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Miami has built an whole line.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah, that is Penn State and Miami may have the
two best old lines in the country. Because Notre Dame.
They there four man their four down linemen. They didn't
get any rush all Carson Beck's was totally in a groove.
Speaker 8 (41:11):
One other thing on Arch, I totally missed this. I
don't remember anybody talking about this. They lost Golden to
the draft and Bond to the draft, two great receivers.
Remember when Beck at Georgia lost Brock Bowers and Lad
McConkey came back and was like, oh what is this?
That maybe hurt Arch Banning and I didn't really play
that in in the preseason.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Also, four new offensive linemen cohesion. That's a tough unit
on the road. I mean, go look at texas As schedule.
Three blowout wins coming. Yes, they got some confidence building
around the corner in Austin,
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
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our final Herd hierarchy moving into the season. We're all
a little ten ready to roll Jmax. So that was
about as bad last I knew what today's lead was
going to be, and for at least five to seven
minutes it was a masterpiece for UNC Michael Jordan and
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Roy Williams that ended up being an.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
All time Conker.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I mean, that is as bad twenty nine to ten
first downs. So there was a lot of hope. Even
TCU's a social media team is mocking Carolina Football today.
So of all the discussion about Bill Belichick, the big
concern I had was, remember I talked about this forty transfers,
It's like a friends and family coaching staff. There's three Belichicks,
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and Mike Lombardi and his son, and then there's Belichick's girlfriend,
and then there's Jamie Collins who's never been a coach,
but he played with Belichick. It kind of feels like
a friends and family staff. And I saw that with
Bill Belichick at.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
The end of New England.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
He didn't hire the best coaches available. He hired the
guys he was most comfortable with. Young Bill Belichick would
have fired this. Bill Belichick, he's seeking comfort. You can't
coach in a gated community. Nick Saban goes out and
hires Lane Kiffen Is the OC. They were at each
other's throats. Saban was not seeking the most comfortable guy
(02:20):
to hire. He brought in Lane, Lane's ego, but Lane's
a great coach, and Saban continually would go get the
best coach available. After the first drive, they had a
really nice scripted first drive. After that, six drives without
completing a pass. Because the game has changed, you have
(02:40):
to take offense. Seriously, Freddy Kitchens is the OC. He
was already on staff, you know, so why putting the
effort into going out and getting the best OC on
the market.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
We'll just move up.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Freddy Kitchens was Freddie Kitchens up for elite offensive coordinator
jobs in the NFL or college.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
He wasn't, but he was on staff.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
This is like what they did in New England where
they made the DC the offensive coordinator. Wen't worry about
offense tomorrow. This offense isn't good. This is when Belichick
interviewed with the Atlanta Falcons. Remember he laid out his
plan and one of the reports or two of the
reports were, well, he wanted to hire his guys. McVeigh.
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McVeigh coaches his guys. Then they go on and become
good head coaches. Andy Reid, he'll coach his guys, then
they leave. You ever notice with Belichick, it's a lot
of the people that stick around. They may leave, they
always come back. So I watched last night Sunny Dikes,
by the way, the coach at TCU, his dad was
a legendary coach. You know what, they never worked together.
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They didn't want the nepotism. They didn't work together. So
as I watched the game unfold, the longer it went,
you could see the gap in coaching. And some of
this is forty transfers. I mean, I gotta be honest.
The transfer portal feels a little like Bitcoin. Everybody thinks
they're going to get rid and it's a lot of
nonsense and hope and hi ope, and I'm not really
sure you're ever going to be able to buy a
(04:04):
really nice house with it. But hey, it sounds great.
Let's bring in all these new players. But I think
Belichick has become the chef that won't change the menu
bill in his career, if you count the Browns, the Patriots,
and Carolina last night without Tom Brady has averaged nineteen
points in his career. Forget the record, which is unimpressive,
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sub five hundred. He doesn't move the ball. He doesn't
take offense seriously enough, change the menu, update the weight
staff to new menu. It's a new area of town
and there are all the hipsters around. You are taking
offense seriously. So I watched TCU. I watched their quarterback,
I watched their offense. They dabbled just a little in
(04:49):
the transfer portal. That was a well coached team, and
the longer the game went, the more they pulled away.
But you know, this is again it feels like Bill
has moved into a time in his life where he
just wants to work with coaches. He's comfortable with the people,
he's comfortable with. You know, there was a years and
years ago on this show, I think it was Urban
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Meyer had said he had talked to Bill, you know,
and at one point Bill had said, you know, there's
certain players I'm just not going to coach anymore. That
is the opposite of the early Bill Belichick. You took
guys that could be a little crazy. You took guys
that didn't make it comfortable. You had to be a
mentor to some of the coaches. They didn't know your system.
But that's okay. That is how you grow in life
with a little discomfort. You have to bark. Occasionally things
(05:32):
go a little sideways. I just I had concerns coming
into this thing. Is that TCU came in with a
staff that had been around, They knew college football. But
this was way worse than I thought at its worst
it could be.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
And here's Bill.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
After they just outplayed us. They out coached us. I mean,
it was just better than we were tonight, That's all
it was to it. They controlled both sides of the
line of scrimmage. There's skilled players played well, you know
they they just they did a lot more things right
than we did. We're better than what we were tonight.
But we have to go out there and I show
that improve it. So nobody's going to do it for us.
We'll have to do ourselves. And that's what we're going
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to do.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
All right.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
So the second story, and this happened several days ago,
but ESPN threw a slew of reporters at it. It's
a very interesting read. It's inside the Cowboys decision to
trade Micah Parsons. And so I'm always a little and
I think all the reporters on this Don ben Not
is very good seth Wickersham has a lot of good reporters,
Jeremy Fowler, these are really talented people. I'm always a
(06:35):
little gun shy about crushing the player because i know
where the leaks come from. There's a lot of leaks
from the Cowboys side, you know, protecting the enterprise and
protecting the brand and their stories here that he wasn't
good in the weight room.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
He didn't get treatment regularly.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
He participated in walked throughs, but his behavior could be odd,
and you know in the locker room he was kind
of a deflating energy. A lot of this stuff I
don't want to get into because I know where it's
coming from. The Cowboys got crushed for this move, and
now they want to make it look like, well, the
Packers are getting damaged goods here. The Packers are getting
a playmaker. But I still support the move. Now, I
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don't think I talked to somebody over the weekend. I
don't think Michael was the most popular guy in the
locker room. Albert Breer reported that Zach Martin, Ceedee Lamb,
and Dack are more popular.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Not by the way, Jalen Hurts, believe it or not,
is not the most beloved layer in the Eagles locker room.
Sa Kwon Barkley is loved in that locker room. Jalen
Hurts a little hit and miss does his own thing.
Not everybody loved Peyton Manning. He would bark at his friends.
Jeff Saturday. I don't care if the quarterback Troy Aikman
legendary Barkinget coaches, Barcinet players. So I don't care if
you're the most loved guy, but I will say this,
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when you pay a guy forty seven million, and that's
what that's what he wanted. You got to have the
cake made right like like they needed in Dallas because
they're not Green Bay. They don't have the culture right
now or the lead. They needed Michael Parsons to be
more than just seball go get it, and that's largely
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what he was. He's just gonna go wreck a play.
The problem is they have a week coaching staff right
now in Dallas. It's not a great roster, it may
not be a great culture. And here's the thing. When
you're gonna give forty seven million to a guy and
you're still kind of you're kind of in a soft rebuild,
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you need it more than just have ig followers and
some sacks. And Dallas now to me, has flexibility. And
Jerry Jones has always played himself off as a big
deal maker and he's an oil catter, kind of a maverick, right.
He was a pushback guy. If you watched the documentary
on Netflix, he's a wild catter. They called it, so
he was a deal maker. The problem is the last
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two years, they can't make any deals. They have no flexibility.
They had the worst running back room in the league,
and they couldn't go by Derrick Henry for eight million dollars,
which we kept pounding the table on this show in
Baltimore did so they couldn't make any deals that was
only going to get worse paying Micah forty seven million.
And so now they've got four first round picks in
the next couple of years, and they have real flexibility.
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That's what Dallas needs because in this sport right now,
is there any greater deal maker than Howie Roseman in
their division? Twice a year with the Eagles. No, I mean,
Philadelphia is tweaking. They're doing chess Dallas's checkers, and they
couldn't even make moves on checkers over the last couple
of years in free agency. So it gives them flexibility,
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it gives them multiple first round picks. I would certainly
look at drafting another quarterback next year in the first
round if I could. I know you're all in love
with Dak, but this insistence that Dallas got host folks,
I've seen Dak Ceedee, Lamb and Mike in the playoffs. Yeah,
I saw those guys get housed by the Green Bay
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Packers in Dallas. And that was the youngest playoff team
since nineteen seventy buff Bills. Remember, green Bay walked in
that thing about three series in was over. The Packers
came with with a bunch of twenty three year old kids.
Blew them out, Jordan Love bleuw them out.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
So I've seen this.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I don't get the rints in repeat factor or this insistence.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I mean the thing about Micah.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
He's a really good fit for what green Bay needs now,
but Dallas needs flexibility more than an edge rusher who
disappears at times against the best left tackles he goes
up against. He's never been a guy with great instincts
or great eyes. That's why you can't use him in
a stack linebacker inside space. You need him to just
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go and wreck plays. I'd have trouble paying forty seven million.
So I think it two things can be true. I
think he works right now for green Bay. But this
idea that I've seen CD Dak and Micah. I got
one playoff win, that's it. And this coaching staff in
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my opinion, is worse than that coaching staff that got
housed by the Packers. Here's Micah.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
Winning is everything to me.
Speaker 7 (11:10):
I don't think you're gonna find a more competitive person
on the team or anywhere NFL when it comes to
anything we do. So when you talk about winning in
the stage of what it takes, I haven't been there,
and I don't know what it takes. But I got
a funny feeling that you know a lot of this
history this program does you know, they weren't further than us,
and obviously they had a big one against us, and
(11:32):
I trust coach Lafleur, and uh, you know, I really
feel like, you know, we can do it. And like
I said, I really want to win real bad.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Coach Lafleur and the youngest playoff team since the nineteen
seventy Buffalo Bills had a twenty seven nothing lead on Dallas.
And Dallas So I've never understood this. I know, to
a fault, I'm a non traditionalist, but this haf to
this idea that I just can't let go of stars.
I don't get it there. Everybody's different windows. Dallas is
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in a reboot. Dallas may have a new coaching staff
by next year. I'd seen Micah in big games against
the best left tackles, and he could be grabbed and
became kind of invisible in big spots. He served you well.
You got a lot of plays out of him. But
it's a different time, and I think Dallas the ability
to have some self awareness and acknowledge Green Bay's super
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Bowl team.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
We're not.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Let's get first round picks. I totally support with Dallas.
I've been banging on this team for years. You need
more good players, not a forty seven million dollar edge rusher.
You already overpaid for Dak. You paid CD about what
he deserves. You don't need to pay an edge rusher
forty seven million. You have two first rounders next year,
get a quarterback later first round, Go get another edge rusher.
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He'll be a lot cheaper Jamak. We have got in
one hour from now, our final herd hierarchy in to
the regular season, plus snick right, Ryan Day of the Buckeyes,
that was a very impressive start by them. Well, listen,
I thought the yards of offense now, but I see
I contend that Ryan Day in Ohio State watched the
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first two series and they saw how much trouble Matt
Patricia NFL guy was giving Arch Manning, and I believe
Ryan Day got on a headset and looked at it.
I mean, I can see this from TV. That was
one of those guys. Let's just play field position. We're
gonna be okay here.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
You could argue if they score on the tush push,
maybe it's a different environment. But I thought, I thought,
if there was any criticism of Ohio State, they played
a little safe. But if you were on that field
and you're Ryan Day and I am here to you,
the distance me and arch Manning, and I'm watching his feet,
his arm mechanics, the slotting like he was off.
Speaker 8 (13:53):
Yeah, I kind of crushed him yesterday and people were
coming after me on Texas.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
They take a deep breath. It's one game.
Speaker 8 (13:58):
Come on arch set for two years. He knows this
system well. He couldn't do anything against the Buck guy.
That surprised me big time. Yeah, we'll have some thoughts
on that.
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On set this before when you start a new show.
Me and MacIntyre been doing this forever. We can move
all over the country. It doesn't matter. We know each
other's speed and tempo and what we talk about. But
I always think, whatever critics you know go after a.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Show on its first show.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I'm like, folks, it takes about six months to let
this stuff bake. And my take is with arch Manning,
I don't want to go overboard. It was his first
big start. It's in Columbus against Ohio State against Matt Patricia,
an NFL elite NFL defensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
You maybe have heard of Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
They bulldozed the country last year in our last three
or four games, So it was not exactly it's like
opening on Broadway. You didn't get any local theater. It
was a rough open, but I didn't want it to
look like that. The mechanics were off. Sometimes he waded
into pressure, sometimes he didn't feel real pressure. I didn't
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like the arms slotting. He side armed a couple, he
skipped open guys. He missed a lot of lamps. So
people say, well, he's only been at Texas two years.
He was an early en roll lee. If you go
from that day until today, it's about three years and
Sark is known as a great offensive quarterbacks coach. So
I did not like the way it looked. My takeaway
during the game was, you know what, this kid needs
(15:58):
the Manning passing academy. He needs the family's own academy.
He just looked off. I also did not love the
multiple TV commercials. Like a little more self awareness. I
want more touchdown passes than ad campaigns, please. And I've
been critical of a lot of quarterbacks, not just arch Manning.
I understand nerves, I understand jitters. The schedule I looked
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at it this morning. Let's just say there's a three
game winning streak coming. So it was a brutal opening.
He will not face a defensive coordinator. Even Sark admitted
after the game, he goes, that was the elite coverage.
These NFL coordinators, they're all very good against the pass,
or they get fired. You have to be good as
(16:43):
an NFL defensive coordinator as a path against the pass
in college football, stop the run because you're very rarely
face an elite quarterback. Stop the run in college as
a coordinator, you're mostly good. In the NFL, you got
to make sure that Josh Allen or b don't go
thirty three of thirty seven. So Matt Patricia is going
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to be the best defensive coordinator he ever faces. It
was the buck Eyes, it was Columbus. It is a
buzzsuit buzzsaw on big games at the Shoe. So I'm
gonna give him a little pass. But it shouldn't look
like that. That wasn't just Jitters. That's three years with Sark.
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The mechanics didn't understand or feel pressure sometimes moved into it.
I was sitting with people who have been in football
for a long time, and it was a little jaw dropping.
It was a little daunting to watch. So here is
arch after.
Speaker 8 (17:43):
Yeah, ultimately not good enough.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
Obviously you don't want to start off season hing to one.
They're a good team.
Speaker 10 (17:48):
But I thought we beat ourselves a lot, and that
starts with me, and I got to play better for
us to win.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
Can't wait till the second half to kind of get
things going.
Speaker 10 (17:56):
I thought we we could have played better, and I
could have played a lot better.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
So this bond we connects cute.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Now, remember Joe Burrow with LSU's talent. His first year
transferring to LSU, completed fifty seven percent of his throws.
He had some rocky ones, you know. Nick Saban's first
year at Bama he lost at home to Louisiana Monroe.
Matt Stafford second year in Georgia completed like fifty five
percent of his throws. So it's a game, and the
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schedule gets cupcake soft. But it's I talk about this
all the time. I've always defended. I've seen Brady throw
pick sixes and Super Bowls, breeze overshoot a guy down
the sideline by twenty yards. There's a big energy. That's
not what I saw. I saw layups. I saw easy
stuff skipped, and that's that is troubling. Tom Brady talked
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about there may be some good that comes out of
a humiliating performance.
Speaker 11 (18:51):
There's a blessing and a curse in some of it.
The curses a lot of people, Paulong. The blessing is,
I don't believe a quarterback. There needs to be resilience
built up in the quarterback as well. So even though
he didn't have his best game today and they lost,
if he uses this to his advantage, arch, he's gonna
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be tougher for it, and he's gonna have a better
next game because of it.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
And again people are saying, hey, don't crush the kid.
Nobody's crushing him. But the Manning family is different. This
is not just a kid in the bright lights. I
said this a couple of weeks ago, like Manning family
dinners are events, like it's the Manning family, it's American
football royalty.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
So I think it's.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Fair to say, wow, that doesn't look close to being
where he should be at after two and a half
three years with Sark and Texas talent. I think that
is fair. I don't think that's mean. I think that
is fair today to say j Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 8 (20:01):
All right, Colin, Let's go right to Chicago, the Windy City.
Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams their first regular season game
Monday night football.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Vikings are favored in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Well, they have the better roster. We would admit Minnesota's
probably got a better composition.
Speaker 8 (20:19):
Yeah, but still is Chicago at home under the bright lights.
In a recent interview, Ben Johnson says one of the
biggest challenges will be getting all their weapons the football.
Speaker 12 (20:30):
It's completely different personnel. So we're gonna do what our
guys do best. And I think we've got weapons in
every room, you know, running back, tight end, receiver, and
so it's gonna be it's gonna be hard on us
coaches to make sure that we're getting everybody the ball.
Speaker 8 (20:46):
So two ways to look at this. One is, hey,
we got we got a lot of guys. The other is, hey, Caleb,
we've got weapons. You better deliver.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, it is no presser, no presser, Caleb. I gotta
tell you, I looked at this schedule. This is maybe
the most fascinating game. It's not just the Caleb Williams story.
We do not know what JJ McCarthy is. I at
least have seen Caleb Williams. I mean he only had
six picks last year. We saw his dynamic athletic ability.
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I have no idea. Now I love Minnesota's O line,
left tackles back Justin Jefferson. I think you know you
know how Matt Patricia was the secret sauce in the
Buckeyes Longhorns game. Brian Flores. Caleb Williams against Brian Flores
is the secret sauce in this the defensive coordinates. Yeah,
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I gotta tell you my early lean is I like
Minnesota here.
Speaker 8 (21:43):
Yeah, I would look at the under I'm with you.
Brian Flore as good. But Brian Floyds was employed last
year by the Fay. He's an awesome Patricia was unemploy
he was doing podcasts last year. Now he's dominating in
Ohio state. And I look at these weapons in Colin. Honestly,
they're good. God Swift is very good. We like DJ
Moore is a fantasy breakout guy. A lot of people
think he's gonna pop. Colston Loveland is an exceptional Titan.
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I think if you maybe I'm being too negative, But
if you read between the lines on this comment by Ben.
We just got to get it. We don't have any
quarterback problems. We got to get everybody the ball. It's like,
I don't know that that Beigent contract surprised me. I
don't want to be too negative, but like, I think
more pressure on Caleb in this game than JJ McCarthy's debut.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
There's no question.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
And Chicago's you know, they call it Minnesota nice. Minnesota
doesn't get hostile. Chicago gets hostile fast. It's a big,
loud Philadelphia, Boston, Chicago. They have expectations. I am fascinated
and I just don't know. I mean, if you told
me I get to watch one game this weekend, it's
Bears Vikings and for both quarterbacks, I know I have
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two brilliant offensive coaches.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Charger's Chiefs, Eagles.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Cowboys without all that game's over in the second quarter.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I think love's going up by the way, just the coaches.
Chicago Minnesota, those two teams have so many elite offensive weapons.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
That's your number one game of the week.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Oh, I think it's fascinating because there's such a mystery
behind the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Jet Steelers not remotely all right.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
Let's move on to Jalen Hurts and then defending Super
Bowl champion Eagles. There will not be a Super Bowl hangover.
Look at that line. You see that eight and a
half is opened at seven.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I know although numbers are at seven, it was the
bet of the weekend Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
This could be a beatdown.
Speaker 8 (23:33):
Let's just go to the Diana Russini believes Jalen Hurts
mentality will be the key to the team's success this year.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Jalen views this season so differently than he has every
other year because now that he has the ring.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
It's a completely different mentality.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
The pressure's off, right, He's done.
Speaker 11 (23:49):
It now, So now it almost feeds into the confidence
that he's done it.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
He knows how to do it. He knows how to
win in the big moments.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Favorite part about Jalen Hurts And I was talking with somebody.
I was gone for about nine ten days and I
was talking to somebody about nine or ten days ago,
and they so said, people would be surprised to know
that Jalen's not the most popular player in the locker room,
but he may be the most respected. Is that Jalen
really goes to the beat to his own drummer. You know,
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he's got his management team, it's all women. He does
his own thing, he's got his own view of it.
And I think he's one of those athletes that will
be totally unaffected by winning. I think he's got a
very I think good parents, strong parents, He's got a
real strong sense of self. I think Jalen Hurts is
one of those unique athletes that he just the heartbeat,
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doesn't change. Win or lose, you get the same guy.
And he's not really concerned. They call it inner scoreboard.
He's not really concerned what I think of him, the
media thinks of him, the fans think of him good,
He's not necessarily always concerned what his teammates think of him.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I've heard he's just he's guy.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I've said before at the podium, he's the best I've
ever seen. That is a noisy team and a noisy town,
and a noisy fan base and a noisy media. His personality,
you would never know on the Wednesday pressure if they
won by thirty or lost, you would never know.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
So he was at Alabama thriving, then gets benched, very humbly,
goes to Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
What happened right back in the playoff.
Speaker 8 (25:26):
This guy's you can't stop him. He's really I like
your point. He tunes out the outside, he does he
does not give a crack. He really doesn't.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
It's it's it's the opposite of a guy now that
I like Baker Mayfield. Remember Baker's first two years in Cleveland.
He heard everything. Jalen hears nothing.
Speaker 8 (25:42):
He's not favoriting tweets here.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
He's in his own zone. He is he is if
you're there, if you're talking in tangibles, his are as
good as anybody's I've seen.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
Are you surprised there's not more chatter about the Eagles repeating.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
I had not heard any. It was Chiefs. Hey can
they three beat? Can the Chiefs?
Speaker 8 (26:03):
There's like nothing about the Eagles. You like the Rams.
A lot of people talking forty nine ers, schedule, Green
Bay ads, Micah.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I almost feel like the Eagles are undervalued. Colin. I
don't want to say I unloaded on the Eagles here
in this game. If they smashed Dallas and.
Speaker 8 (26:17):
I'm talking like another thirty four to seven, because they
beat him badly twice last year. I just wonder if
people are like, maybe I don't want to say dynasty.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
They've been to two Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
To Dylan Hurds, I have the best composition of elite
older players, prime players, young player.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I get the best young players in the league.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
They also have multiple guys in their prime.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
They're all in the offensive line.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah, so they they and they so they tend to
be They move off guys a year early than late.
They're never afraid to move off good older players.
Speaker 8 (26:45):
The final story is your guy, Matthew Stafford. Now we
were texting about this yesterday. There is some concern about
Stafford and his back despite him starting in week one.
McVeigh says he's expected to start. I mean, come on,
they're not going to hold Stafford out. But the key
story here is left tackle Alaric Jackson. He had blood clots.
He just started practicing, participating in yesterday's practice, and McVeigh
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says the plan is for him to shut up.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Now, maybe there's some gamesmanship.
Speaker 8 (27:13):
Hey, Stafford's back Jackson with the blood cut.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Or I throw this is the upset of the weekend potentially.
So I have Will Anderson, one of the best young
rush ends. I have a left tackle that hasn't practiced
until this week, and a quarterback that by the way,
he's dB Cooper all camp.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Where is he?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Like? Honestly, this game, if you're a Rams staff this
game has to terrify you.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
If there's one thing.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
You want to have ready to go when you play Houston,
your left tackle, your offensive tackles. And I think Havenstein
did he have another shoulder surgery? He's had a couple
of them this game. If I'm the Rams is now
Davonte Adams, I think is real juice. But when I'm
reading the story on their left tackle, I'm like, this
is not the team to have a under practice left tackle.
Speaker 8 (28:03):
But at the same time, what about the Rams defense?
You love them, how they improved and is an undergame under.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
And I'm not. I don't have a side bet at all.
Speaker 8 (28:14):
I mean, listen Texas whole new offensive line basically and against.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
The Rams front with your boy Verse.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
Who people are betting him to win Defensive Player of
the Year, Like that's how much height there is?
Speaker 1 (28:23):
He was sensational, was excellent, and he got better first
quadrant of the cisore. Our guys have a stat here.
Stafford has struggled in Week one.
Speaker 8 (28:33):
Remember no preseason back, so maybe the Rams come out sluggish,
I heavy kyrin Williams game. Perhaps, but yeah, I'm with you.
I like the I like low scoring game.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Jmack with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the line. I want to touch on
this again. So there's a story at ESPN. They put
all their best reporters on it, and listen. I'm not
blaming the reporters, but Dallas is getting a little chirpy
and chippy because Dallas is getting crushed for the trade
of Micah.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
And I would have made the movie a year ago.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
But I do think the draft picks Dallas accumulated next
year are better than the ones in this draft, because
this was a week draft and next year is an
unbelievable draft. But here's the difference. Green Bay has a
great coach, Dallas doesn't. Green Bay has winning momentum Dallas doesn't.
Green Bay has their culture set Dallas doesn't. Green Bay
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is a Super Bowl capable team, Dallas isn't. So you
need Mica. You need Micah to be the cake and
the icing in Dallas. Green Bay just needs them to
be the icing. They've got the coach, coach, the culture,
the offense, a team first, mentality. They don't need much.
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They need a game wrecker. And green Bay is in
a division with Kevin O'Connell, Ben Johnson, Dan Campbell and
that great offensive weaponry in Detroit. They got to get
to the quarterback. And green Bay does almost everything well
except find game wreckers on defense. They did it with
Charles Woodson, they did it with Reggie White, and I
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think that history and that success of taking a huge swing,
which green Bay doesn't do a lot, I think they
look at this and they think, this is our Charles Woodson,
this is our Reggie White. So I think everybody's got
different windows. I think it works. Micah isn't for everybody.
I tend to think he's he wanted forty seven million,
But for green Bay, everybody's windows are different.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Green Bay is is.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
They needed a disruptor, They need a distraction, They need
a playmaker because they're in division with some of the
smartest offensive people in the league, and they got to
get the ball back to their offense. So I thought
green Bay it was the time to place. It's a
little more than I want to pay, but you know
they're paying. They're paying Jordan Love and they're paying Micah
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and quarterback and game wreckers. And they also are a
team that drafts and develops exceedingly well over the last
thirty years. They're a team that gets third, fourth, fifth
round players to perform quickly and for long stretches. So
I'm always like Philadelphia does. I'm always going to say
teams like that can take bigger swings because they get
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so many inexpensive players in the second, third, fourth, and
fifth rounds. And Green Bay has been doing that forever.
They've had great offensive lines the last thirty years. They
almost never draft offensive lineman in the first round. So
I like it for green Bay, I like it for
Dallas and Ryan Day of the Buckeyes.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Next, be sure to catch live editions of The Herd
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Speaker 1 (31:44):
Well college football delivered in a big way. Notre Dame
Miami clems in LSU, Ohio State beats Texas. Ryan Day's
a busy guy. He always takes time for our show,
and I've told him how much I appreciate that. Seventh
season at Ohio State. By the way, is the only
active coach with a NAT is one over eighty five
percent of his games.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
So when you hired Matt Patricia.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
He wasn't the bell of the ball, and not everybody
was going, hey, brilliant higher Chip Kelly was different.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Everybody's like, that's gonna work.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
But what did you see with Matt Patricia who'd had
a little coaching turbulence. What did you see Ryan, because
he clearly was a problem for Arch and that Texas offense.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
Yeah, it's always.
Speaker 10 (32:26):
Great to be on your show, Colin, thanks for having me.
First off, I'm known Matt for a while. I know
the type of person he is. He's a great man,
he's a great husband, great father, and he really early
on built relationships and trust within the building in a
short period of time with the staff and they you know,
Tim Walton, McCrary, Larry Johnson, James Lurneitis and the players
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deserve a ton of the credit. But that being said,
you know, Matt put it all together. And it's only
a start. We had a long way to go, but certainly,
you know, for our first game of the year with
an inexperienced group going on the field, it was a
good start.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
It was a weird early start for you.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
You got pinned deep a couple of times, and some
Buckeye fans are like, we gained a couple of hundred yards.
But my takeaway was, and I said this from the
television set, I could see how uncomfortable arch Manning was,
And I said, if I was Ryan Day, I would
have just told I would have gotten on my heads
and said, guys, this is bad field position. Get out
of here. Let's not take big swings. Did you find
(33:26):
yourself because of the situation you were in offensively that
yet that maybe you did get a little bit more
conservative with Julian, say in your quarterback, just because you
were pinned, but Patricia was giving Arch in Texas fits.
Did you find yourself, you know, changing things in game.
Speaker 10 (33:45):
Yes, Well, we had a large call sheet, and on
that call sheet was a bunch of different continuency plans,
you know if if you know, it's a high scoring game,
if we go up by a score, if we go
down by a score. We felt like, you know, there
was a point where we were fairly you know, in
control of the game. We had that long drive, I
think we had over eight minutes we scored. I felt
(34:07):
like the defense was playing well and we were pinned.
We got to do a better job of that. You know,
in field position. You know, we have to find ways
not to get pinned inside our ten yard line. Now,
different situation, as you know, Julian, you know matures. You know, well,
we'll start, you know, opening it up. But we didn't
want to turn the ball over down there and put
our defense in a bad spot. And that's one of
the first things in our plan to win is play
(34:27):
great defense. And a part of playing great defense is
sometimes making sure you play the field position game. Now,
we don't love that, you know, in terms of you know,
we want to be explosive, we want to open this
thing up, We want to score a ton of points,
which which you know, but at the end of the day,
the number one goal in a game.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
Like this was to win.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
I think when you have a player like Jeremiah Smith,
who is so sensational, and I've said this about the
NFL sometimes that young quarterbacks, you know, Dak Prescott goes
to the Cowboys with Dez Bryant, and you want to
get in the ball. You feel almost guilty if you don't.
And when you have a player like you, guys are
basically wide receiver. University in America is Ohio State and
(35:06):
you have so many gifted receivers and you have such
a gifted quarterback. Do you find yourself because I thought
your team was very physical, and to me, Ohio State football,
it's physical football. How do you balance the You know,
we can do fast and finesse, we can be really pretty,
but that's not necessarily what one this weekend. This weekend
was toughness and physicality. Is that a tough balance for
(35:28):
you with the quality of perimeter stars you have.
Speaker 10 (35:33):
Well, I think you always have to build an identity
with every team that you have, and we wanted to
build that identity early on.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
Is that we were going to play physical.
Speaker 10 (35:42):
We were going to play downhill, The running backs were
going to get downhill, and guys were going to finish
around the ball.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
I think you saw a lot of that. Can we
get better?
Speaker 10 (35:51):
Absolutely do We have a long way to go, for sure,
But I think once you build that foundation with the
type of receivers and skill that we have, and as
the quarterback continues to build confidence, that's where when you
can do both well. You can get ugly fours and
you can get dirty, and you can score in the
red zone and convert on short yardage because there was
a short yardage situation we didn't we didn't convert.
Speaker 6 (36:10):
On early in the game, like we got to do that.
Speaker 10 (36:13):
But then you also can spread it out and get
the ball to your playmakers and play in an open game.
That's when you have a chance to win championships. And
that's the goal, the goals and just to win the
first game. It's to win championships down the road to.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Build What is.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
You know when you hired Chip Kelly, who is your
longtime friend, and you know he brings some NFL but
college is different. We saw Belichick struggle last night. Is
it when you listen because you're you're the CEO of
this program?
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Is this going to be a trend?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
I like the idea that years ago, I felt like
college and pro football Ryan were totally different sports, and
I don't feel like that now. I kind of feel
like Chip works either way. I'm watching Matt Patricia that
clearly worked. Is do you think this will start a trend?
Because I was always kind of cynical on these NFL
g coming to college they'd be impatient.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
I don't know. It feels like it kind of works
to me.
Speaker 6 (37:06):
I think there's a lot of things that come into play,
and I agree with you. I think that's absolutely the case.
Speaker 10 (37:11):
I think the game, first off, is much more similar
to the NFL. Now, you know, the hash marks are different,
and that is significant. But the way the clock moves
now after every first down, the clock used to stop.
Now that only happens inside of two minutes, so the
games go quicker. Second thing that's different is now that
we can go coach to player communication. You're seeing the
(37:31):
huddle more so the games and the number of plays
has shrunk way down. And then when it used to
be tempo where there was eighty five ninety plays, that
was a different style of game where everything was spread out.
I don't think you're seeing it as spread out as
it used to be. And then you take all the
things that are going on off the field with salary
caps and il in terms of you know, the way
(37:53):
you structure your staff, unlimited coaches. That's why I think
you're seeing a lot more similarities. And then also the
play I mean that's different. And when you go to
the playoffs now that's that you have to be playing
your best football at the end of the season, where
in the past when it was just you know, a
fourteen playoff or even before that.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
That was a whole different dynamic. Well, that was fun
to watch. I got to tell you that it's sixteen news.
I think you have sixteen News starters, don't you? Was
it sixteen?
Speaker 6 (38:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (38:20):
Yeah, we we last year when we finished the season,
I think it was just under seven hundred starts with
the twenty two that started like under their belt, and
I think going into this game we were under two hundred,
so it was it was significant.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yeah, hey, congrats, that was fun. It's always fun to win,
but that was really fun. That was a big stage.
Speaker 10 (38:38):
Coach, congrats, Well it was good for college football, you know,
open up something like that.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
The stadium, the atmosphere was tremendous.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Unbelievable, all the all the big dogs delivered. Ryan Day,
Ohio State congratulates. Oh by the way, Julian sand One
more question. Because he's a young kid and I'd only
watched him on YouTube. I thought, you know, I love
the core, back position, the feet, the mechanics. What was
your takeaway when it was when you're walking back to
(39:06):
the locker room you put your arm around him. What
do you say about his opening performance?
Speaker 10 (39:10):
I think the first thing is when you have young quarterbacks,
you asked him what did you see, and when they
can come over and tell you what they saw, and
then you watch the iPad after that drive and it
is exactly what he saw. That's a heck of it.
That's a great start. Like you said, I thought his
feet moved well. I thought he was accurate with the ball.
He made a couple off schedule plays, and then he
threw the ball away and took care of it. We
needed to again, all good starts, long way to go,
(39:33):
but we could work with that.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Thanks, Ryan, appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (39:36):
You got to contac here man.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, by the way of all the young quarterbacks, I
would say Julian saying now he was at home. But
I thought he looked really comfortable. I thought car CJ.
Carr for Notre Dame had some moments. He made a
throwout in the flat with a Miami Hurricane standing there
that eventually got bounced around and intercepted. Garrett Nusmeyer again,
a lot of snaps. He looked good. So experience matters. Yeah,
(40:01):
I thought last night Hoover, the quarterback for TCU, goes
on the road. He's a third year starter. I don't
think he's a great NFL prospect. He's got a lot
of snaps, a familiar coaching staff. So I thought Julian
saying in a way it benefited him. The whole discussion
was arch Manning and he could just go out and
play with a more experienced ow line, and I thought,
(40:21):
I thought he looked really comfortable.
Speaker 8 (40:23):
Not to be negative, but who was more disappointing, Cad
Klubnick or arch Manning because Kate Klubnick's been around the
block and for him to just do nothing, I mean
he missing guys white open.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
I thought, I thought Garrett Nussmeier had. I thought he
was excellent.
Speaker 8 (40:39):
He looks like a pro. Now we know the lineage.
Obviously he's good. Albert Breers hyped him up. But Clubnick
was just extremely disappointing. Colin, I'll say this, Carson Bex
looks like a totally different play.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
For the record, Mario Cristobal, Miami's coach is an offensive
line guy.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Miami has built an whole line.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah, that is Penn State and Miami may have the
two best old lines in the country. Because Notre Dame.
They there four man their four down linemen. They didn't
get any rush all Carson Beck's was totally in a groove.
Speaker 8 (41:11):
One other thing on Arch, I totally missed this. I
don't remember anybody talking about this. They lost Golden to
the draft and Bond to the draft, two great receivers.
Remember when Beck at Georgia lost Brock Bowers and Lad
McConkey came back and was like, oh what is this?
That maybe hurt Arch Banning and I didn't really play
that in in the preseason.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Also, four new offensive linemen cohesion. That's a tough unit
on the road. I mean, go look at texas As schedule.
Three blowout wins coming. Yes, they got some confidence building
around the corner in Austin,
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