Colin looks at the start of the NFL season between the Cowboys and the Eagles and why Jerry Jones is to blame for Dallas falling off that last 30 years compared to the perennial contenders in Philadelphia
It's looking like Bears QB Caleb Williams is finally starting to be coached the correct way
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. ANFL season starts tonight. Eagles about to
hammer the Cowboys in several hours. Greg Cosel one hour
from now, we are liveving Los Angeles, wherever you may be,
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of the Herd. Okay Jmax. Season starts tonight one hour.
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I'll give you my final predictions for all the divisions.
Not a lot of move. I didn't make one move.
I have a new division winner coming up. But some
alarm sounding and down tell us with the Cowboys little
alert them alarms going off. The thing about the NFL,
if you had to define what the most important stuff
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in the NFL is, it's really are you focused and
obsessed with winning? You can make a lot of mistakes,
hire the wrong person, fire the wrong person. Are you
obsessed with winning over everything? Else and never allow anything
to get in the way of that. Tom Brady famously
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would not drink a single beer during the season. Bill
Belichick's mantra no days off. Andy Reid drawing up plays
off season. He's not on hunting trips, He's not on
fishing trips. He is all off season, as is Sean
Payton drawing up and designing new plays. Going to YouTube
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look it up nineteen fifty five Rose Bowl tape to
draw up place obsessed with winning, and yet Troy Yateman
finally saying it, the former Cowboy Great finally admitting it
that Jerry is not obsessed with winning.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Having the Cowboys as a discussion point is meaningful to
him and team. If people aren't talking about the Cowboys,
then he'll do things to stir up. So he he
kind of walked into that and has given the impression
that that supersedes winning.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
In the NFL, the good teams, if they sniff selfish,
if they sniff anything that's not completely about the obsession
to win. Antonio Brown was to me the most talented
receiver arguably in the league. Steelers got him out of
the room, got him out of the room. Tom Brady
got him out of the room, actually at his house
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the room. Sean Payton goes to Denver. Russell Wilson has
his own quarterback office. He sniffs it's more about Russ
than the team. Whether that's fair or not. That office
is gone day one, Russell's gone year two. Cam Newton distracted.
No back to back winning seasons ever, despite his talent,
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ended very quickly if anything gets in the way, and
with Jerry finally Troy Aikman and others admitting it, Jerry's
selfish and he's not obsessed with winning. It's about his vanity,
it's about his drama. He puts it ahead of the team.
How about that article a year ago where Cowboy players
former Cowboy players came out and acknowledged it was distracting
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to have tours during practice at the facility. So Belichick said,
do your job in Dallas. It's wave the tours. That's
not about winning. You can do a lot wrong. I mean,
Eagles signed Carson Wentz to a massive deal, got rid
of him soon thereafter, but they're obsessed with it. Howie
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Roseman's obsessed with it. And I think what happens is
when you have a distracted owner and an owner that
lacks discipline in the workplaces that I've worked, it always
bleeds down. Who's the most penalized team in the NFL
the last five years? The Dallas Cowboys. They're not focused,
they're not disciplined, and they're not obsessed with winning. And
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what makes it worse is the one team more than
any other in this league I could argue is obsessed
with winning is the Philadelphia Eagles. If you go to
the Cowboys' last Super Bowl appearance nineteen ninety six, from
that day to today, the Eagles have twenty playoff wins,
the Cowboys have five. The Eagles have eight conference championship appearances,
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the Cowboys have zero. The Eagles have four Super Bowl appearances,
and the Cowboys have again zero. That since the Cowboys
last Super Bowl title. Do you know every team in
the NFC, every single team in the NFC past thirty years,
has reached the conference championship except the biggest brand, the
Dallas Cowboys, And it goes back to lack of discipline.
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They are not obsessed with winning. Jay Glazer has said this,
it's almost unhealthy. The great ones in this league, the
Belichicks and the Brady's and the Peyton Mannings and the
Mahomes and the Andy Reids and the Sean Payton's, the Harbaws.
It's almost unhealthy. It is more important than almost everything
else in their life. More Troy Aikman on Jerry.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I'm sure that Jerry and the Jones family and everyone
is tired of talking about the fact that they haven't
been to a championship game, let alone a super Bowl
in thirty years. The fact that the Cowboys are a
soap opera three hundred and sixty five days a year
that then becomes the scoreboard.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah, hey, Philadelphia can become noisy too. I'm not saying
Philadelphia is not noisy. I mean they got a coach
going after fans, going after staff man. I'm not saying
Philadelphia is not noisy. But you always know what matters
in Philadelphia above everything, doub bull ues. It's not the
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case with the Cowboys and Jerry. So I'm reading an
article in the Chicago Sun Times that's one of the
six newspapers still left in America, and it's interesting. They're
talking about Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson, and the opening
line by this reporter is the more Bears quarterback Kayleb
Williams explains how much he's learned from the new coach,
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Ben Johnson in the last seven plus months. The clear
it is how little he was taught as a rookie
an off season in preseason with Ben Johnson has been
like grad school for Caleb Williams. That will continue for
the rest of the season, if not longer. Heading into
the opener Monday against the Vikings. So we were talking
about this this morning. We've all had bad bosses. I've
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been very, very lucky. I've had one. I've had overwhelmingly
g eight supportive bosses and mentors, very lovy, lucky, knock
on wood or whatever this new set is built from.
I've had great bosses, but I had a bad one.
And they make everything harder. They hinder momentum, two steps forward,
three back. And I think sometimes we all know there's
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really good coaches and really bad coaches. We know there's
really good owners and bad owners, really great quarterbacks and
bad quarterbacks. I think the gap in coaching, the problem
with it is it affects everybody. I mean, Caleb Williams
last year as a rookie quarterback, essentially, let's be honest,
was sent into the wilderness without a compass. They gave
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him a couple of flashlights and a dark tunnel. Find
your way, Bo Nixon, Denver got human GPS. Sean Payton,
he got a shirp of climbing this mountain. Caleb Williams,
good luck, it's dark. Is that water is all? What
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do I see up there? That's the difference the gap
in coaching. If you go to the first quarterback taken
since twenty twenty, the last five years, and this counts Caleb, Bryce, Young,
Trevor Lawrence, Joe Burrow. Just to show you how hard
it is for number one picks in the pressure. They're
twelve and forty seven and one, okay, and that includes
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Joe Burrow. That's a guy that got to a Super Bowl.
It is hard. So I mean, all you have to
do is look at Sam Darnold with the Jets and
the Panthers, and then Sam Darnold with Kevin O'Connell thirty
five touchdowns on a one h two pass already, look
at Geno Smith career, Reborn, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnald. It
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is so hard. So my hunch is with Caleb Williams,
he is going to be the best version of Caleb
Williams now whatever that is in the NFL. If it's
a notch below Jaden Daniels, that's okay. This is a
franchise that it's never had a four thousand yard passing quarterback.
They've never had a quarterback throw for thirty touchdowns. So
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if he becomes an a minus quarterback in Jaden Daniels's
best in class, he becomes second or third best quarterback.
It's still a franchise quarterback. But he'll be the best
he can be. But anybody listening to me or watching
me that has had a bad boss, they just get
in the way of success. So Caleb Williams has a
great drive followed by bad coaching and a clunker. And
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I just think there's such an advantage for a Jadeen
Daniels having a Click at Kingsbury, or a JJ McCarthy
having a Kevin O'Connell bo Nicks having Sean Payton, for
anybody that's had a bad boss. It is. And it's
hard enough to scale Mount Kilimanjaro even with a great
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shirt pup. So here is Albert Breer earlier this week
on realistic expectations. Let's be realistic here. It's a tough
schedule for Caleb and the Bear.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
I think there is a world where you can get
them over five hundred, but because of the division that
they play in, it's a tough ask. And because the
schedule they have again it's a tough ask. Having to
play the other North division makes it difficult.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
So I would say, like.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
If I'm a Chicago fan, what I'm looking for as
an ascending team at the end of the year with
a quarterback who's playing.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Well, I said, I'm being optimistic. I think they split
their division games, which the Bears rarely do. I think
they're nine to eight. I don't think that's overwrought, over hyped.
Nine to eight Jmack feels about right to me. Again,
if you put them in the AFC South of the
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NFC South, I think eleven and six is on the table.
But Minnesota's roster is probably better green Bay by NFL executives,
and the NFC was just voted number two behind Philadelphia.
Detroit's offensive line and offensive personnel is in a short class,
you know, with the best teams in the league. So
I think nine and eight feels like, Okay, we got
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the coach right, we got a franchise quarterback that to
me in Chicago, with their history, that feels very very
good to me.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
You and I have been doing this long enough.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
You don't make sweeping conclusions after week one. That being said,
if the Bears can't beat JJ McCarthy at home and
Caleb and Ben aren't on the same page, I would
adjust that nine and eight down to like Morris six
to seven wins. I mean, they have to win this
game called or at least look good if they lose
thirty twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
This isn't college football where Texas can stumble, but their
next three games are basically versions of San Jose State. Yes,
like in the NFL, if you lose at home to
a division rival, that can become a three game skid.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
And then you get the media in Chicago swirling.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
You're on a short week because you're playing Monday night football,
and then there's panic, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Here we go again.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
And I think Chicago's.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
Probably one of the teams that needs a win in
Week one more than anyone else.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
That's a good point, Greg cosel in one hour from now,
how good is it to have football back thursdays from
this point I barely prep by and drive in. I'm
sitting eating breakfast in the car at ZZ Street. We
come back. We gave you a hint a sniff of
this yesterday. You see that number for college football?
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Who was significant?
Speaker 6 (12:26):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
That and a thought on the Eagles heading into tonight.
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None of the Bull oh So Texas, Ohio State. Remember
a couple of years ago. If I've learned anything doing
this job for thirty something years, here's what I've learned
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about human behavior. Half this country is terrified of change.
I was told I will never watch college football again.
This NIL. These might as well just watch pro football.
The transfer portal. I mean, what's going on. I mean,
one day the guy plays for Michigan, the next day
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plays for Notre Dame. It was going to ruin the sport. Yeah,
the College Football Playoff was going to kill rivalries. Well,
the ratings are in for Texas Ohio State seventeen million viewers,
most watched college football game in the history of the sport.
Oh And let me add this. In twenty twenty three,
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about the time the NIL and transfer portals started ramping up,
it was the most watched college football season ever. Twenty
twenty four topped it. This season topped the previous two.
The sport is growing. It's just like everybody's terrified of AI.
Let me make a guarantee about AI. It'll get rid
of some base bottom line entry jobs in like you know,
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mathematics and coding. It will undoubtedly expand the economy like
every single technology in the history of all of our lives.
The economy will be noticeably bigger in a decade, and
with the speed of AI maybe half that long. So
keep clutching your pearls as you step into your driverless car.
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But we're all going to be okay. This weekend three
top ten matchups and they were all riveting. Clemson LSU
can't turn it off. Notre Dame Miami may have been
the best game of the weekend. Ohio State Texas, even
the clunker by Belichick was good for about two and
a half quarters. It's all about quality of games, more
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big games, and yes, the red zone's going to be
fine with a couple of commercials. I've got a bladder.
Apparently nobody else does. We're all going to be okay,
we really are. It used to be Clemson season. They
lost at home. You're not playing for a natty. Clemson
reels off eight straight wins, six of them impressively. They're
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back into the playoff, maybe as a top seed. Better content,
bigger swings, better games. The audience in college football is
expanding since nil, the transfer portal and the college football Playoff,
just like our economy will with a maybe a little gravelly,
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a little bumpy, a little turbulent for eighteen months, it
will expand take a deep breath. Seventeen million. It wasn't
even frankly that artistic. The offenses weren't very good. Ohio
State only had two hundred yards arch Manning. You get
kind of stunk seventeen million people. I look forward to
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that first commercial on Red Zone. I'm gonna toast it
and then go to the bathroom. Two minutes later, J
Mack with a news no no, hear on the news.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
This is the headline news. All right, let's get started
with Sunday night football, Colin.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
It is gonna be an unbelievable matchup.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
Josh Allen, who won the MVP last year, and Lamar Jackson,
who won it two years ago. Here's Josh Allen giving
high praise to his counterpart, Lamar.
Speaker 8 (16:54):
You got Lamar Jackson, who's one of the greatest quarterbacks. Really,
we can already say it of all time. He is
an absolute stud, Like he's freakishly talented. He throws the
ball just as good as anybody in the league. And yeah,
he's a fun player to watch and I got a
lot of respect for him.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
That's a really good opener. I kind of like Baltimore
on their own.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
Yeah, that Bolton lines moving, Georg Baltimore, the Buffalo defense looking.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
Like a bit of a mass unit. And remember the
regular season.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Matchup last year, they killed him, Baltimore beat him by
a billion.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Well, Baltimore, in my opinion, Baltimore's got the better roster,
and that Buffalo remains, all these years later, very dependent
on Josh Allen. I've seen Baltimore on games in which
Lamar is not great in the regular season, blow people out.
So I Buffalo feels more than any team in the
league dependent. Their ultimate success is dependent solely on the quarterback.
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I mean, they've got a good left tackle and they've
got a good back in James Cook. But you know
they've moved off several defensive players once they paid Josh Allen.
They're a good drafting team. I don't know if they're great,
but they're very good. But I think Baltimore's got there's
an argument after Philly, the best roster in the sport.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Yeah, and John Harbaugh, I think we said yesterday number
one coach against the spread in Week one always comes prepared.
It's tough to go against the Bills. Here we got
some Labar numbers for you. I was surprised that Josh
said he's one of the greatest quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Of all time.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Oh, he's absolutely the best mobile quarterback of all time.
I thought the first time I saw a mobile quarterback
was fran Tarkan. And second one I saw that I
couldn't believe was Steve Young. Third one was Michael Vick.
Donovan mcdabb couldn't move, but he wasn't that athletic. He
was just could do both things. Lamar is the most
spectacular quarterback. And I'll go back to this. We can
talk about playoffs all we want. I get it. He's
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won seventy five percent of his starts in a league
where Bill Parcells won like fifty eight percent of his games.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
Again, this is not a knock on Lamar, but he
went to a great franchise, the Ravenser and me okay,
great owner.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
The front office topped in the league.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
In I'm not denying that. But every great quarterback ever,
notice this had a great coach. I mean, Akeman had Jimmy,
and Marino had Sula, and Elway had Mike uh Shanahan.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
You know you mentioned Mike Vick. I was a huge,
Mike Vick xan, we both let to.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Mike's not as good as Lamar, not even. But he
went to the Atlanta Falcons. It just functioned on franchise
where he carried them literally on it.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
But let's be honest, and I agree in premise what
you're saying. But when Lamar got hurt and Huntley stepped in,
remember the backup Yeah stupid lely. Yeah yeah, they couldn't score.
All the great coaches and all the great old Linement
and all the great they couldn't score.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
I mean and again, yes, Lamar.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Is a top fifteen quarterback in the history of football.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I think he is. I think that's fair.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
Yes, but again, like some other guys like Vic didn't
really have the chance because he didn't have a break.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
No, no, Don McNabb was. Michael admitted he came in
and he was immature. We have certain, no doubt that's
on Michael. He made and I love Mike. Mike is
the first to admit I wasn't ready. I was distracted.
Lamar came in obsessed. I mean remember lamar first year
and the second year of Chimmy, which, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
How do you do that?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
We'll must sure the Rock who comes in with new.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
Traps who're three summers removed from him and his mom
squabbling as the.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Age represents him.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
I nobody was like a that was the number one
off season story.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
That was like Michaeh Parsons for Jered Jones.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
He's got you.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Know he doesn't trust. He doesn't trust a lot of.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
People, nor do I.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
Let's move on to uh second story, and that is
the Packers obviously got Michael Parsons.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Micah has the back issue.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Lafleur says he's hopeful that he'll have his shiny new
toy ready to go Colin again. This is one of
my favorite bets of the week. I like the Packers
a lot, possibly irrationally, so I can actually see a
bit of a slow start for the Lions new coordinators.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
O line rebuilds curior O line.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Where does Jared got struggle the most?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Hear it with pressure? So did you and I talk
about this on the air off yesterday? I don't know.
I think it was on the air late in the show.
The one thing I worry about in the first two
weeks of the season is teams that are rebuilding their
ole line. So Chicago's done a great job with Joe
to Andy, Drew Dolman, and Jonah Jackson. How many snaps
in the preseason. When you ask coaches about all the units,
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secondaries can get better fast. A lot of secondary is
just do we have dogs or not. Pass rushes can
be improved quickly running games, but offensive lines take snaps
in cohesion and time. And I look at detroit new
offensive coordinator they attacked in the draft, the interior O line.
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I think Detroit's good. Would it shock you if they
were messy in the first month.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
Well, and also they've won five of six against the Packers,
so green Bay is a little bit of a revenge fighter.
They got swept last year. I'm going to remind folks
last year. Do you remember the first two weeks with
the New Orleans Saints did last year?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
No?
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Remember with Kobe at they try to forget Saints games.
They had like they won like forty one to ten
the first oh, they were one of the best.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
It was like, oh my.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
Gosh, Kubiak still not He's not even there this season. Okay,
the first two weeks, wacky stuff can happen. Keep an
eye on the Packers opening a can on Detroit I
would not be shocked thirty five.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Had we've had We should look this up for tomorrow.
We've had a massive upset in Week one. Yeah, it
feels like every year forever, and I've been looking at that.
We should do that later. Who's the biggest what is that?
Here's the thing in the opening week. I mean you've
only got the line. Tonight's eight and a half and
then Denver's a seven and a half to eight point fait.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
Arizona is a big Denver's up to nine. Arizona's a
big favorite. On the road in New Orleans, Spencer Ratler
pulls himself, well, I mean the Patriots beat the Bengals
last year Week one.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Think about that.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
That's right, they did.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Now Patriots Raiders is interesting, but that's only a three
point spread.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
It gets up to three and a half. A lot
of people like the page.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I'm gonna tell you. A fascinating game for me is
Houston against the Rams. So the Rams defense is nasty
and Houston's got I think three to four new offensive
line starters that really helps. I think my take is
on that game. But Stafford hasn't practiced a lot. The
left tackle for the Rams just started practicing. I think
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the Rams are vulnerable in Week one. They just don't
left tackleing quarterback. Not a lot of stands. Those are
like two teams on your fringe super Bowl. But that's right,
So I think they'll be fine later as long as
Matt healthy. But they also have Terrence Ferguson Rams rookie
tight end hasn't practiced much. Devonte Adams with Stafford hasn't
practiced much. I don't know what and Will Anderson's a
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great rush edge Rams left tackle at Blood Claws. So
I did that game has got upset written all over it, potentially.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Week one chaos. Final story Colin Is. Yesterday we heard
from Justin Fields saying, Hey, the game against Pittsburgh, it's
not a big deal, It's just another game. Well, Aaron
Rodgers is echoing that sentiment, saying he's just excited for
Week one now. He has been talking behind the scenes,
apparently with teammates. Pat Fryer move said that Rogers is saying, hey,
this is just another game. It's not a revenge. I
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know it's me and Fields going head to head. The
Jets got the crappy news about Vera Tucker yesterday. Obviously,
Rudel Line's still at three.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I like the Jets. I like the younger quarterback that
can extend plays. And I don't think Justin Fields is
a franchise quarterback, but he may be my favorite quarterback
in the league that's not a franchise quarterback. I don't
think i'd build around him, but I can win a
bunch of games with Justin Fields. Again, I would not
build around I don't think he's that guy. But if
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you're telling me, and I also think he's not a backup,
I think he's a guy that starts for several teams.
He bounces around, but he is first of all, big arm,
likable kid. Teammates love him, got a whip and can
really move and move the change.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Do you think he's like a Again, he's better than
this guy, but Malik Willis who he's much better than
Malik Willis. Okay, So here's the thing. So this is
the third year in a row he started Week one
for a different team.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yeah, here's see. I think he's gonna have a Gardner
Minshew feel where by the way, everywhere he goes, you're like,
Gardner Minshew's pretty good. Nobody really wants to build around it.
But Gardner Minshew is a really nice professional athlete. Justin
Fields has got talent. But there's a reason he keeps bouncing. Yeah,
there's a reason he's not in Pittsburgh. I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
I think jets to the side. Like you said yesterday,
Sauce Gardner on NETCAF, what else you got.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I gotta be honest. I picks in early. All the
lines are now worse. I would rather not do a
Blazing five in week one, but America wants it. It's
they're thirsty, so I'm gonna do it. But I don't know.
I don't even know what Aaron Rodgers and Pittsburgh's gonna
look like.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
I was last year's Blazing five weeks one.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
I don't recall poor Jamack with the news.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
The herd line, Irvin Meyer in a couple of hours,
Greg Cosell, top of next hour. You know I was
a night. The Dallas Cowboys face the Philadelphia Eagles, and
Philadelphia is a huge favorite and should be. What is
interesting about the Eagles, they're really one of one. They
do a lot of things that bad NFL franchises do.
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They fired Andy Reid and then another coach who won
the Super Bowl. They gave Carson Wentz a massive contract
and then quickly moved off it. They have a player
reading self help books on the sideline during games. Their
head coach often has to be held back he's sparring
with fans. They signed a running back with an injury
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history to a big contract. They pay both of their receivers.
They built their offense around a running game in a
passing league. They hired a coach who wasn't ready and
had the worst press conference opening press conference ever. And
they just keep ending up in Super Bowls. And I
think in this is where Jalen Hurts value is underrated.
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I mean he is the stoic therapist in a room
with arguing couples. I mean, your coach is loud, the
media is loud, you got security guards on the sidelines,
You've got players reading books. This is what this feels like, Carolina,
but all the noise and the drama. I mean, Philadelphia
is a loud sports city to begin with. It could
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be the Phillies, it could be the Sixers, it could
be Joel Embiid. But this is where Jalen Hurts is
a plus plus plus plus. I said this a couple
of years ago. I stand by it. He is the
best quarterback in league history. At the podium, and you
know what I think about the podium, the Wednesday pressure
at the podium with the bank sponsor behind you, got
the hat on forward, total grown up things are on.
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There's an inferno burning around him. He's the quiet mind
in a very loud storm in Philadelphia. So I mean
last year was last year? Nick Sirianni get a little
rough patch shave in his head, not interested, doesn't get involved,
doesn't have any comments. So it's it is just a
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wildly loud and restless sports city. And at times Philadelphia.
If I wrote down some of the things that the
Eagles regularly do on an annual basis, You're like, who
is that? Chicago? Is that the Texans eight years ago?
It's no, It's the Eagles. They'll end up in super Bowls.
So I think a lot of it is the owner
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is really good, the GM's probably the best in the league,
and Jalen Hurts. There's a lot more than throwing the football.
I have been on this for years and I get
so much crap when I do care about your maturity.
I said, can't draft Johnny Manziel Baker's going to have troubles.
Cam Newton worries me. Jamis Winston's goofy. That stuff matters.
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And the greatest example of the value of that being
a grown up. I know it's unfair that you got
to be twenty four going on forty eight, but the
greatest example of that is Jalen Hurts. And here's Nick
Seriani this week on what he loves about a star quarterback.
Speaker 9 (29:13):
Jalen.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I love how selfless he is.
Speaker 9 (29:15):
Right, He's been so efficient as a quarterback, taking care
of the football, efficient of going where the right place
with the football. And then there's a judgment on the
outside of well, he didn't throw for this many yards
or didn't throw for this many touchdowns. I don't care.
He was efficient with the football and he did everything
he needed to do for us to win the game.
That doesn't just apply with your star football player and
Jalen Hurts. That also applies for the rest of the team.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I mean, imagine in the NBA going to a star
and saying, we want you to take fewer shots. We
want the ball in your hands less. I'm not sure
how that would land, but that's what they did at
the bye week with Jalen Hurts. They said, we want
a more Jalen. We don't want you throwing thirty two times,
we want twenty six. And he's like, I'm good. I
want to win. And that's why I've always said, I
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think the basketball culture in this country, but the AAU
stuff is a little broken. I love the football culture.
Obsessed with winning. Their standings not really your feelings. Facts
and standings are bigger than feelings. You gotta get over yourself.
And Jalen Hurts did it Alabama when they benched him.
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He did it Oklahoma, and he's done it multiple times
in Philadelphia. Greg Cosel Top of the Hour and a
Thursday Cowboys at Philadelphia Tonight, and FC executives anonymously sat
down with Mike Sando and ranked one through sixteen in
the NFC. Interesting how they ranked the teams that's next.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
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Speaker 1 (31:17):
I'm taking Iowa State and Oklahoma big over Michigan this weekend.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
I can't believe you're taking Choklahoma in September.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
First of all, their defense is all juniors and seniors.
Brett Vennable's got his guys. It's an old defense. Have
you seen that Bryce Underwood.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
I'm familiar with his work.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah, he's great. But on the road, inexperienced quarterback, how
did they do this past weekend? They struggled? Inexperienced Oklahoma
was a top five six loud environment, old junior, senior defense,
freshman quarterback Michigan and that quarterback's good, but that's a
that's a rough spot.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
Remember last year they bottled up Jalen Milrod made him
look I mean, yeah, yeah, so at Vanderbilt.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
But okay, so Mike Sando at ESPN, who I think
it does some of their good deep diving at ESPN.
He went and he went and talked to eight NFL
executives about the NFC. So he wanted to rank one
through sixteen the NFC teams, and the executive said, listen,
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the NFC is really hard, and we've talked about this.
The AFC UF star quarterbacks. Josh Allen's going to win
his division. You know, Burrow or Lamar is going to
win his division.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
C J.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Stroud's going to probably win his division. It's just easier.
Mahomes will be a playoff quarterback. So one of the
lines by an executive anonymously is you know it's going
to be he said, somebody's going to surprise you, shock
you in the NFC and get into the playoffs, and
it's probably going to be a super lucky team. So
I went through one through sixteen. So for the radio audience,
I will read this once in order. It was Philly one,
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Green Bay, two Lions, three Bucks, four Rams, five Commander
six Niners, Vikings, Seahawks, nine Cardinals, ten Falcons, eleven Bears,
twelve Cowboys at thirteen, Giants fourteen, Panthers at fifteen. I
think Caroline is better than that, and the Saints sixteen.
I agree with that. I'll tell you why I think
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the NFC is harder than the AFC. I'll give you
an example. What in the hell do I do with Minnesota.
I love their coach, top three left tackle, maybe the
most talented receiver, good running back, excellent tight end, rebuilt
their offensive line, good home field advantage. It's an offensive league.
I like everything about Minnesota's offense, even the defense. I
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would argue after Andy Reid and'spags that Brian Flores and
Kevin O'Connell are the best coaching tannem in the league.
Now solid Shanahan a up there. It's a great in
an offensive league. I've got the Andy Reid spags of
the NFC. Great left tackle, great receiver, tight end, running back,
above average, rebuild, all line. I have no idea what
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I get with JJ McCarthy. I have no idea. I mean,
I look at Minnesota. Twelve and five is on the table,
and so is seven and ten. I have no idea.
So I wouldn't be shocked if Minnesota they're not going
to be as good as last year's record. But if
Minnesota surprises us. The other one is Arizona. Jonathan Gannon's
the coach. Here's all I know. First year four and thirteen,
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next year eight and nine took the worst defense or
second worst defense in the league. In one year their
middle of the pack, and they spent six of their
seven draft picks on defense, and they were in a
lot of one possession games. Now Jmack has called him
that's his team in the NFC, and I don't know.
I think that division is totally up for grabs. If
Matt Stafford's healthy, I'll take the Rams. If he's not,
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Rams could finish fourth if they're going with you know,
Jimmy Garoppolo thirteen weeks. I don't know. But Arizona's interesting also,
star tight end, star receiver, star back, old lines better
than you think. I don't know what to do with Arizona.
And I like Kyler Murray. Not everybody does, but spinet movement.
I again, I'll say it with Arizona, eleven and six
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is on the table, and six and eleven is on
the table, I don't know. And the other one is
the Bears. I don't know. Again, would you be shocked
if they're ten and seven and they're a wild card
team or what if it implodes and they're seven and ten.
I like Ben Johnson, but I don't know. Caleb Williams.
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Dude's got the horsepower. But I don't know receivers, DJ Moore,
Roma Dunze tight Ends. They've got two of them. That kid,
Colston Lovelin from Michigan's had a great camp. I don't know.
In the NAFC, I know who's great, and I know
who's a tire fire. Buffalo is gonna be really, really good.
Baltimore is gonna be good. Houston's gonna be good. Jmack
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loves the Jags. I'm terrified to bet the Jags this
weekend against Carolina. Like, I don't know what the Jags. Okay,
that's rare in the AFC. In the AFC, there's one
team that I it could be anything. Jacksonville, Like, I
don't know what Jacksonville. I don't trust them. It's a
new coach. I feel like I feel that way about Minnesota, Chicago, Arizona.
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I actually think Carolline is better than people think. I
don't even know what to make I love Seattle. You
don't Seattle's five to one to win their division. So
Vegas doesn't have a clue what to do with Seattle.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
So just a clear setting up. I don't love the Jags.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
I'm betting on Liam Cohen, their new head coach, who
is a.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
I don't want to put the genius label.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
On him, but let's be real. What he did with
Baker Mayfield Colin pretty impressive, I mean, very very good.
And I think with the addition of Travis Hunter, who's
starting at wide receiver two you get Brian Thomas, that
offense will be making the jump to light speed. Okay,
Travis etn They got a young p I would bet
on the Cohen brothers for another hit movie. I don't
know if Liam Cohen's a guy I'm gonna bet on you.
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Have you looked at the Panthers defense? Have you looked
at their wide receiver room were number wide receiver who
was awesome last year?
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Coker?
Speaker 6 (36:59):
He's out Adam Thieler and they traded him last week.
They got young dudes, Bryce Young.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
But I think Jacksonville is the one team in the
AFC we're not. You don't know what you're gonna get.
I think the NFC's got six of those. I the
NF this is just like this anonymous execs said, somebody's
gonna get hot, somebody's gonna get lucky. They're gonna win
the fumbles games, They're gonna win the walkoff games.
Speaker 6 (37:23):
Can you call that back on the screen because I
thought I saw Tampa Bay four? Is it was that
incorrect in the n you like Tampa, I don't like
them that much.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
I mean, Colin, that's it.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Well, I think works is not even selling week one.
So again I think that the NFC power rankings based
on executives is you don't know after Philadelphi even Green
Bay is Jordan love good?
Speaker 5 (37:44):
Yeah, I don't know why the Rams are buried so low.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
The Niners feels like a huge with Colin No Tristan
Wurf's an aging defense in Tampa there was hemorrhaging points
last year. I don't think the Bucks are that good.
I'm on team Falcons here. I like Atlanta. Okay, So
I want to end this first hour. Greg Cosell top
next hour. So we went back and looked.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Not only were we right, it's happened now five years
in a row where at least a six and a
half point underdog, almost a touchdown underdog, has one week one.
So last year, the Patriots beat the Bengals. Year before,
Lions beat the Chiefs on Thursday Night Football. The Steelers
beat the Bengals the year before as a touchdown Dog.
The Steelers beat the Bills. Remember that game. I think
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there was a block pund or something weird in that game.
Steelers went to Buffalo and beat Josh Allen and the Bills.
I remember that because I had the Bills. And then
five years ago Jags beat the Colts and it was
not a very it was a better Colts team and
out a very good Jacks team. So when you look
at the schedule, five years in a row is a trend.
I'd argue three years a trend. Five years is an absolute.
(38:49):
What is Don't tell me Philadelphia is going down? All right?
Speaker 5 (38:53):
Giants are Browns? Which one you want?
Speaker 1 (38:55):
One of those Giants?
Speaker 5 (38:57):
Both are divisional matchups.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
I like the Giants. I think the Giants is the
upset of the weekend.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
Both have new quarterbacks this season.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
The other thing is the Giants defensive front.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
They gotta keep them in that game.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Also Dan Quinn head coach, Washington Baden Openers, Brian Dable
offensive coach. Offensive coaches tend to be early in the season.
They bring out the stuff they've been drawn up all
off season. Giants at Washington, that one feels like it's
six and alight. What's the spread? Six and a half.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
It's been coming down.
Speaker 6 (39:29):
Actually, there's some money coming in on the Giants as
well as the Browns. Now, let's just remember Bengals notorious
slow starters, right their offensive line. Have you looked at Yeah,
he's something a guy named Patrick att Guard who's been
awful the last like three seasons. I wonder if Miles
Garrett and company could scheme up some stuff and make
that an interesting game.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Well, I mean, Flaco's starting, so it's a grown up.
He's at home. We haven't seen him much in the preset.
I don't even know how many stamps did Joe Flacco
take in the preseas. Did he take one? I don't know.
So they, you know, they feel confident in that that's
our starter. Yeah, one of those two.
Speaker 6 (40:02):
I'm not buying the Saints shock the Cardinals. Gosh, that
would be depressing because I'm the loaded up on the cart.
I mean, it's like six and a half seven.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
I know you're you're you're interesting because you don't like
Kyler Murray, but they're your shocking team in the league.
So you're making a bet. You make fun of me
because I bet against in the opener, Josh Allen and
maybe Mahomes. You don't even like Kyler Murray and you're
loading up on you used to like him.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
I'm kind of out on him. I know you guys
are hanging out at UFC fights, but it's less about
Kyler mccollin, Connor McBride, Harrison.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
They're sacked. Oh, they've got really good players.
Speaker 6 (40:35):
And you look at the Saints that I'm like, did
you watch Spencer Ratler last year?
Speaker 1 (40:38):
I know he was a great it was all one six.
I think it's a starter.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
I read that somewhere and Tyler they draft a new guy.
He can't even beat out to Spencer Ratler. So I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Kellen Moore.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Do we like Kellen Moore?
Speaker 5 (40:49):
I know people like, well, he was great.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
I don't know. Undecided, he goes.
Speaker 5 (40:53):
We're going to be great with her without Kellen Moore.
I did Kelly Moore do with the Chargers?
Speaker 6 (40:57):
Remember a couple of years ago, there's all this excitement
as the offensive.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Coordinator, Oh, Herbert Chuck Kellen Moore. Kellen Moore got fired
and like, I don't know this feel this week one
is crazy. I'll all circle this. I think Minnesota at Chicago, Yeah,
that is fascin.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
That one of those nights where you're not drinking.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Bro every I'm not. You got me marginalized as some
out of control boozer. Last night I had one Tito's
iced tea. It's called a John Daily. Really, yeah one.
Speaker 6 (41:31):
I thought you were hanging out with the boys. I
didn't get a call. Still waiting for my boys or
a good time. By the way, I check with the wife.
I'm free tonight. If you just happen to be in
my neighborhood, I'm.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
All jammed up doing I have a dentist appointment. I'm
moving across town.
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Here we go. ANFL season starts tonight. Eagles about to
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from now, we are liveving Los Angeles, wherever you may be,
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of the Herd. Okay Jmax. Season starts tonight one hour.
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I'll give you my final predictions for all the divisions.
Not a lot of move. I didn't make one move.
I have a new division winner coming up. But some
alarm sounding and down tell us with the Cowboys little
alert them alarms going off. The thing about the NFL,
if you had to define what the most important stuff
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in the NFL is, it's really are you focused and
obsessed with winning? You can make a lot of mistakes,
hire the wrong person, fire the wrong person. Are you
obsessed with winning over everything? Else and never allow anything
to get in the way of that. Tom Brady famously
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would not drink a single beer during the season. Bill
Belichick's mantra no days off. Andy Reid drawing up plays
off season. He's not on hunting trips, He's not on
fishing trips. He is all off season, as is Sean
Payton drawing up and designing new plays. Going to YouTube
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look it up nineteen fifty five Rose Bowl tape to
draw up place obsessed with winning, and yet Troy Yateman
finally saying it, the former Cowboy Great finally admitting it
that Jerry is not obsessed with winning.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Having the Cowboys as a discussion point is meaningful to
him and team. If people aren't talking about the Cowboys,
then he'll do things to stir up. So he he
kind of walked into that and has given the impression
that that supersedes winning.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
In the NFL, the good teams, if they sniff selfish,
if they sniff anything that's not completely about the obsession
to win. Antonio Brown was to me the most talented
receiver arguably in the league. Steelers got him out of
the room, got him out of the room. Tom Brady
got him out of the room, actually at his house
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the room. Sean Payton goes to Denver. Russell Wilson has
his own quarterback office. He sniffs it's more about Russ
than the team. Whether that's fair or not. That office
is gone day one, Russell's gone year two. Cam Newton distracted.
No back to back winning seasons ever, despite his talent,
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ended very quickly if anything gets in the way, and
with Jerry finally Troy Aikman and others admitting it, Jerry's
selfish and he's not obsessed with winning. It's about his vanity,
it's about his drama. He puts it ahead of the team.
How about that article a year ago where Cowboy players
former Cowboy players came out and acknowledged it was distracting
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to have tours during practice at the facility. So Belichick said,
do your job in Dallas. It's wave the tours. That's
not about winning. You can do a lot wrong. I mean,
Eagles signed Carson Wentz to a massive deal, got rid
of him soon thereafter, but they're obsessed with it. Howie
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Roseman's obsessed with it. And I think what happens is
when you have a distracted owner and an owner that
lacks discipline in the workplaces that I've worked, it always
bleeds down. Who's the most penalized team in the NFL
the last five years? The Dallas Cowboys. They're not focused,
they're not disciplined, and they're not obsessed with winning. And
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what makes it worse is the one team more than
any other in this league I could argue is obsessed
with winning is the Philadelphia Eagles. If you go to
the Cowboys' last Super Bowl appearance nineteen ninety six, from
that day to today, the Eagles have twenty playoff wins,
the Cowboys have five. The Eagles have eight conference championship appearances,
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the Cowboys have zero. The Eagles have four Super Bowl appearances,
and the Cowboys have again zero. That since the Cowboys
last Super Bowl title. Do you know every team in
the NFC, every single team in the NFC past thirty years,
has reached the conference championship except the biggest brand, the
Dallas Cowboys, And it goes back to lack of discipline.
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They are not obsessed with winning. Jay Glazer has said this,
it's almost unhealthy. The great ones in this league, the
Belichicks and the Brady's and the Peyton Mannings and the
Mahomes and the Andy Reids and the Sean Payton's, the Harbaws.
It's almost unhealthy. It is more important than almost everything
else in their life. More Troy Aikman on Jerry.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I'm sure that Jerry and the Jones family and everyone
is tired of talking about the fact that they haven't
been to a championship game, let alone a super Bowl
in thirty years. The fact that the Cowboys are a
soap opera three hundred and sixty five days a year
that then becomes the scoreboard.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah, hey, Philadelphia can become noisy too. I'm not saying
Philadelphia is not noisy. I mean they got a coach
going after fans, going after staff man. I'm not saying
Philadelphia is not noisy. But you always know what matters
in Philadelphia above everything, doub bull ues. It's not the
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case with the Cowboys and Jerry. So I'm reading an
article in the Chicago Sun Times that's one of the
six newspapers still left in America, and it's interesting. They're
talking about Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson, and the opening
line by this reporter is the more Bears quarterback Kayleb
Williams explains how much he's learned from the new coach,
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Ben Johnson in the last seven plus months. The clear
it is how little he was taught as a rookie
an off season in preseason with Ben Johnson has been
like grad school for Caleb Williams. That will continue for
the rest of the season, if not longer. Heading into
the opener Monday against the Vikings. So we were talking
about this this morning. We've all had bad bosses. I've
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been very, very lucky. I've had one. I've had overwhelmingly
g eight supportive bosses and mentors, very lovy, lucky, knock
on wood or whatever this new set is built from.
I've had great bosses, but I had a bad one.
And they make everything harder. They hinder momentum, two steps forward,
three back. And I think sometimes we all know there's
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really good coaches and really bad coaches. We know there's
really good owners and bad owners, really great quarterbacks and
bad quarterbacks. I think the gap in coaching, the problem
with it is it affects everybody. I mean, Caleb Williams
last year as a rookie quarterback, essentially, let's be honest,
was sent into the wilderness without a compass. They gave
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him a couple of flashlights and a dark tunnel. Find
your way, Bo Nixon, Denver got human GPS. Sean Payton,
he got a shirp of climbing this mountain. Caleb Williams,
good luck, it's dark. Is that water is all? What
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do I see up there? That's the difference the gap
in coaching. If you go to the first quarterback taken
since twenty twenty, the last five years, and this counts Caleb, Bryce, Young,
Trevor Lawrence, Joe Burrow. Just to show you how hard
it is for number one picks in the pressure. They're
twelve and forty seven and one, okay, and that includes
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Joe Burrow. That's a guy that got to a Super Bowl.
It is hard. So I mean, all you have to
do is look at Sam Darnold with the Jets and
the Panthers, and then Sam Darnold with Kevin O'Connell thirty
five touchdowns on a one h two pass already, look
at Geno Smith career, Reborn, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnald. It
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is so hard. So my hunch is with Caleb Williams,
he is going to be the best version of Caleb
Williams now whatever that is in the NFL. If it's
a notch below Jaden Daniels, that's okay. This is a
franchise that it's never had a four thousand yard passing quarterback.
They've never had a quarterback throw for thirty touchdowns. So
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if he becomes an a minus quarterback in Jaden Daniels's
best in class, he becomes second or third best quarterback.
It's still a franchise quarterback. But he'll be the best
he can be. But anybody listening to me or watching
me that has had a bad boss, they just get
in the way of success. So Caleb Williams has a
great drive followed by bad coaching and a clunker. And
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I just think there's such an advantage for a Jadeen
Daniels having a Click at Kingsbury, or a JJ McCarthy
having a Kevin O'Connell bo Nicks having Sean Payton, for
anybody that's had a bad boss. It is. And it's
hard enough to scale Mount Kilimanjaro even with a great
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shirt pup. So here is Albert Breer earlier this week
on realistic expectations. Let's be realistic here. It's a tough
schedule for Caleb and the Bear.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
I think there is a world where you can get
them over five hundred, but because of the division that
they play in, it's a tough ask. And because the
schedule they have again it's a tough ask. Having to
play the other North division makes it difficult.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
So I would say, like.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
If I'm a Chicago fan, what I'm looking for as
an ascending team at the end of the year with
a quarterback who's playing.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Well, I said, I'm being optimistic. I think they split
their division games, which the Bears rarely do. I think
they're nine to eight. I don't think that's overwrought, over hyped.
Nine to eight Jmack feels about right to me. Again,
if you put them in the AFC South of the
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NFC South, I think eleven and six is on the table.
But Minnesota's roster is probably better green Bay by NFL executives,
and the NFC was just voted number two behind Philadelphia.
Detroit's offensive line and offensive personnel is in a short class,
you know, with the best teams in the league. So
I think nine and eight feels like, Okay, we got
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the coach right, we got a franchise quarterback that to
me in Chicago, with their history, that feels very very
good to me.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
You and I have been doing this long enough.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
You don't make sweeping conclusions after week one. That being said,
if the Bears can't beat JJ McCarthy at home and
Caleb and Ben aren't on the same page, I would
adjust that nine and eight down to like Morris six
to seven wins. I mean, they have to win this
game called or at least look good if they lose
thirty twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
This isn't college football where Texas can stumble, but their
next three games are basically versions of San Jose State. Yes,
like in the NFL, if you lose at home to
a division rival, that can become a three game skid.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
And then you get the media in Chicago swirling.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
You're on a short week because you're playing Monday night football,
and then there's panic, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Here we go again.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
And I think Chicago's.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
Probably one of the teams that needs a win in
Week one more than anyone else.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
That's a good point, Greg cosel in one hour from now,
how good is it to have football back thursdays from
this point I barely prep by and drive in. I'm
sitting eating breakfast in the car at ZZ Street. We
come back. We gave you a hint a sniff of
this yesterday. You see that number for college football?
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Who was significant?
Speaker 6 (12:26):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
That and a thought on the Eagles heading into tonight.
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None of the Bull oh So Texas, Ohio State. Remember
a couple of years ago. If I've learned anything doing
this job for thirty something years, here's what I've learned
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about human behavior. Half this country is terrified of change.
I was told I will never watch college football again.
This NIL. These might as well just watch pro football.
The transfer portal. I mean, what's going on. I mean,
one day the guy plays for Michigan, the next day
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plays for Notre Dame. It was going to ruin the sport. Yeah,
the College Football Playoff was going to kill rivalries. Well,
the ratings are in for Texas Ohio State seventeen million viewers,
most watched college football game in the history of the sport.
Oh And let me add this. In twenty twenty three,
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about the time the NIL and transfer portals started ramping up,
it was the most watched college football season ever. Twenty
twenty four topped it. This season topped the previous two.
The sport is growing. It's just like everybody's terrified of AI.
Let me make a guarantee about AI. It'll get rid
of some base bottom line entry jobs in like you know,
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mathematics and coding. It will undoubtedly expand the economy like
every single technology in the history of all of our lives.
The economy will be noticeably bigger in a decade, and
with the speed of AI maybe half that long. So
keep clutching your pearls as you step into your driverless car.
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But we're all going to be okay. This weekend three
top ten matchups and they were all riveting. Clemson LSU
can't turn it off. Notre Dame Miami may have been
the best game of the weekend. Ohio State Texas, even
the clunker by Belichick was good for about two and
a half quarters. It's all about quality of games, more
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big games, and yes, the red zone's going to be
fine with a couple of commercials. I've got a bladder.
Apparently nobody else does. We're all going to be okay,
we really are. It used to be Clemson season. They
lost at home. You're not playing for a natty. Clemson
reels off eight straight wins, six of them impressively. They're
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back into the playoff, maybe as a top seed. Better content,
bigger swings, better games. The audience in college football is
expanding since nil, the transfer portal and the college football Playoff,
just like our economy will with a maybe a little gravelly,
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a little bumpy, a little turbulent for eighteen months, it
will expand take a deep breath. Seventeen million. It wasn't
even frankly that artistic. The offenses weren't very good. Ohio
State only had two hundred yards arch Manning. You get
kind of stunk seventeen million people. I look forward to
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that first commercial on Red Zone. I'm gonna toast it
and then go to the bathroom. Two minutes later, J
Mack with a news no no, hear on the news.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
This is the headline news. All right, let's get started
with Sunday night football, Colin.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
It is gonna be an unbelievable matchup.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
Josh Allen, who won the MVP last year, and Lamar Jackson,
who won it two years ago. Here's Josh Allen giving
high praise to his counterpart, Lamar.
Speaker 8 (16:54):
You got Lamar Jackson, who's one of the greatest quarterbacks. Really,
we can already say it of all time. He is
an absolute stud, Like he's freakishly talented. He throws the
ball just as good as anybody in the league. And yeah,
he's a fun player to watch and I got a
lot of respect for him.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
That's a really good opener. I kind of like Baltimore
on their own.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
Yeah, that Bolton lines moving, Georg Baltimore, the Buffalo defense looking.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
Like a bit of a mass unit. And remember the
regular season.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Matchup last year, they killed him, Baltimore beat him by
a billion.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Well, Baltimore, in my opinion, Baltimore's got the better roster,
and that Buffalo remains, all these years later, very dependent
on Josh Allen. I've seen Baltimore on games in which
Lamar is not great in the regular season, blow people out.
So I Buffalo feels more than any team in the
league dependent. Their ultimate success is dependent solely on the quarterback.
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I mean, they've got a good left tackle and they've
got a good back in James Cook. But you know
they've moved off several defensive players once they paid Josh Allen.
They're a good drafting team. I don't know if they're great,
but they're very good. But I think Baltimore's got there's
an argument after Philly, the best roster in the sport.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Yeah, and John Harbaugh, I think we said yesterday number
one coach against the spread in Week one always comes prepared.
It's tough to go against the Bills. Here we got
some Labar numbers for you. I was surprised that Josh
said he's one of the greatest quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Of all time.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Oh, he's absolutely the best mobile quarterback of all time.
I thought the first time I saw a mobile quarterback
was fran Tarkan. And second one I saw that I
couldn't believe was Steve Young. Third one was Michael Vick.
Donovan mcdabb couldn't move, but he wasn't that athletic. He
was just could do both things. Lamar is the most
spectacular quarterback. And I'll go back to this. We can
talk about playoffs all we want. I get it. He's
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won seventy five percent of his starts in a league
where Bill Parcells won like fifty eight percent of his games.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
Again, this is not a knock on Lamar, but he
went to a great franchise, the Ravenser and me okay,
great owner.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
The front office topped in the league.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
In I'm not denying that. But every great quarterback ever,
notice this had a great coach. I mean, Akeman had Jimmy,
and Marino had Sula, and Elway had Mike uh Shanahan.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
You know you mentioned Mike Vick. I was a huge,
Mike Vick xan, we both let to.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Mike's not as good as Lamar, not even. But he
went to the Atlanta Falcons. It just functioned on franchise
where he carried them literally on it.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
But let's be honest, and I agree in premise what
you're saying. But when Lamar got hurt and Huntley stepped in,
remember the backup Yeah stupid lely. Yeah yeah, they couldn't score.
All the great coaches and all the great old Linement
and all the great they couldn't score.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
I mean and again, yes, Lamar.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Is a top fifteen quarterback in the history of football.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I think he is. I think that's fair.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
Yes, but again, like some other guys like Vic didn't
really have the chance because he didn't have a break.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
No, no, Don McNabb was. Michael admitted he came in
and he was immature. We have certain, no doubt that's
on Michael. He made and I love Mike. Mike is
the first to admit I wasn't ready. I was distracted.
Lamar came in obsessed. I mean remember lamar first year
and the second year of Chimmy, which, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
How do you do that?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
We'll must sure the Rock who comes in with new.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
Traps who're three summers removed from him and his mom
squabbling as the.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Age represents him.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
I nobody was like a that was the number one
off season story.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
That was like Michaeh Parsons for Jered Jones.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
He's got you.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Know he doesn't trust. He doesn't trust a lot of.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
People, nor do I.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
Let's move on to uh second story, and that is
the Packers obviously got Michael Parsons.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Micah has the back issue.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Lafleur says he's hopeful that he'll have his shiny new
toy ready to go Colin again. This is one of
my favorite bets of the week. I like the Packers
a lot, possibly irrationally, so I can actually see a
bit of a slow start for the Lions new coordinators.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
O line rebuilds curior O line.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Where does Jared got struggle the most?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Hear it with pressure? So did you and I talk
about this on the air off yesterday? I don't know.
I think it was on the air late in the show.
The one thing I worry about in the first two
weeks of the season is teams that are rebuilding their
ole line. So Chicago's done a great job with Joe
to Andy, Drew Dolman, and Jonah Jackson. How many snaps
in the preseason. When you ask coaches about all the units,
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secondaries can get better fast. A lot of secondary is
just do we have dogs or not. Pass rushes can
be improved quickly running games, but offensive lines take snaps
in cohesion and time. And I look at detroit new
offensive coordinator they attacked in the draft, the interior O line.
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I think Detroit's good. Would it shock you if they
were messy in the first month.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
Well, and also they've won five of six against the Packers,
so green Bay is a little bit of a revenge fighter.
They got swept last year. I'm going to remind folks
last year. Do you remember the first two weeks with
the New Orleans Saints did last year?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
No?
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Remember with Kobe at they try to forget Saints games.
They had like they won like forty one to ten
the first oh, they were one of the best.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
It was like, oh my.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
Gosh, Kubiak still not He's not even there this season. Okay,
the first two weeks, wacky stuff can happen. Keep an
eye on the Packers opening a can on Detroit I
would not be shocked thirty five.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Had we've had We should look this up for tomorrow.
We've had a massive upset in Week one. Yeah, it
feels like every year forever, and I've been looking at that.
We should do that later. Who's the biggest what is that?
Here's the thing in the opening week. I mean you've
only got the line. Tonight's eight and a half and
then Denver's a seven and a half to eight point fait.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
Arizona is a big Denver's up to nine. Arizona's a
big favorite. On the road in New Orleans, Spencer Ratler
pulls himself, well, I mean the Patriots beat the Bengals
last year Week one.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Think about that.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
That's right, they did.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Now Patriots Raiders is interesting, but that's only a three
point spread.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
It gets up to three and a half. A lot
of people like the page.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I'm gonna tell you. A fascinating game for me is
Houston against the Rams. So the Rams defense is nasty
and Houston's got I think three to four new offensive
line starters that really helps. I think my take is
on that game. But Stafford hasn't practiced a lot. The
left tackle for the Rams just started practicing. I think
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the Rams are vulnerable in Week one. They just don't
left tackleing quarterback. Not a lot of stands. Those are
like two teams on your fringe super Bowl. But that's right,
So I think they'll be fine later as long as
Matt healthy. But they also have Terrence Ferguson Rams rookie
tight end hasn't practiced much. Devonte Adams with Stafford hasn't
practiced much. I don't know what and Will Anderson's a
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great rush edge Rams left tackle at Blood Claws. So
I did that game has got upset written all over it, potentially.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Week one chaos. Final story Colin Is. Yesterday we heard
from Justin Fields saying, Hey, the game against Pittsburgh, it's
not a big deal, It's just another game. Well, Aaron
Rodgers is echoing that sentiment, saying he's just excited for
Week one now. He has been talking behind the scenes,
apparently with teammates. Pat Fryer move said that Rogers is saying, hey,
this is just another game. It's not a revenge. I
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know it's me and Fields going head to head. The
Jets got the crappy news about Vera Tucker yesterday. Obviously,
Rudel Line's still at three.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I like the Jets. I like the younger quarterback that
can extend plays. And I don't think Justin Fields is
a franchise quarterback, but he may be my favorite quarterback
in the league that's not a franchise quarterback. I don't
think i'd build around him, but I can win a
bunch of games with Justin Fields. Again, I would not
build around I don't think he's that guy. But if
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you're telling me, and I also think he's not a backup,
I think he's a guy that starts for several teams.
He bounces around, but he is first of all, big arm,
likable kid. Teammates love him, got a whip and can
really move and move the change.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Do you think he's like a Again, he's better than
this guy, but Malik Willis who he's much better than
Malik Willis. Okay, So here's the thing. So this is
the third year in a row he started Week one
for a different team.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yeah, here's see. I think he's gonna have a Gardner
Minshew feel where by the way, everywhere he goes, you're like,
Gardner Minshew's pretty good. Nobody really wants to build around it.
But Gardner Minshew is a really nice professional athlete. Justin
Fields has got talent. But there's a reason he keeps bouncing. Yeah,
there's a reason he's not in Pittsburgh. I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
I think jets to the side. Like you said yesterday,
Sauce Gardner on NETCAF, what else you got.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I gotta be honest. I picks in early. All the
lines are now worse. I would rather not do a
Blazing five in week one, but America wants it. It's
they're thirsty, so I'm gonna do it. But I don't know.
I don't even know what Aaron Rodgers and Pittsburgh's gonna
look like.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
I was last year's Blazing five weeks one.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
I don't recall poor Jamack with the news.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
The herd line, Irvin Meyer in a couple of hours,
Greg Cosell, top of next hour. You know I was
a night. The Dallas Cowboys face the Philadelphia Eagles, and
Philadelphia is a huge favorite and should be. What is
interesting about the Eagles, they're really one of one. They
do a lot of things that bad NFL franchises do.
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They fired Andy Reid and then another coach who won
the Super Bowl. They gave Carson Wentz a massive contract
and then quickly moved off it. They have a player
reading self help books on the sideline during games. Their
head coach often has to be held back he's sparring
with fans. They signed a running back with an injury
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history to a big contract. They pay both of their receivers.
They built their offense around a running game in a
passing league. They hired a coach who wasn't ready and
had the worst press conference opening press conference ever. And
they just keep ending up in Super Bowls. And I
think in this is where Jalen Hurts value is underrated.
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I mean he is the stoic therapist in a room
with arguing couples. I mean, your coach is loud, the
media is loud, you got security guards on the sidelines,
You've got players reading books. This is what this feels like, Carolina,
but all the noise and the drama. I mean, Philadelphia
is a loud sports city to begin with. It could
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be the Phillies, it could be the Sixers, it could
be Joel Embiid. But this is where Jalen Hurts is
a plus plus plus plus. I said this a couple
of years ago. I stand by it. He is the
best quarterback in league history. At the podium, and you
know what I think about the podium, the Wednesday pressure
at the podium with the bank sponsor behind you, got
the hat on forward, total grown up things are on.
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There's an inferno burning around him. He's the quiet mind
in a very loud storm in Philadelphia. So I mean
last year was last year? Nick Sirianni get a little
rough patch shave in his head, not interested, doesn't get involved,
doesn't have any comments. So it's it is just a
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wildly loud and restless sports city. And at times Philadelphia.
If I wrote down some of the things that the
Eagles regularly do on an annual basis, You're like, who
is that? Chicago? Is that the Texans eight years ago?
It's no, It's the Eagles. They'll end up in super Bowls.
So I think a lot of it is the owner
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is really good, the GM's probably the best in the league,
and Jalen Hurts. There's a lot more than throwing the football.
I have been on this for years and I get
so much crap when I do care about your maturity.
I said, can't draft Johnny Manziel Baker's going to have troubles.
Cam Newton worries me. Jamis Winston's goofy. That stuff matters.
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And the greatest example of the value of that being
a grown up. I know it's unfair that you got
to be twenty four going on forty eight, but the
greatest example of that is Jalen Hurts. And here's Nick
Seriani this week on what he loves about a star quarterback.
Speaker 9 (29:13):
Jalen.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I love how selfless he is.
Speaker 9 (29:15):
Right, He's been so efficient as a quarterback, taking care
of the football, efficient of going where the right place
with the football. And then there's a judgment on the
outside of well, he didn't throw for this many yards
or didn't throw for this many touchdowns. I don't care.
He was efficient with the football and he did everything
he needed to do for us to win the game.
That doesn't just apply with your star football player and
Jalen Hurts. That also applies for the rest of the team.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I mean, imagine in the NBA going to a star
and saying, we want you to take fewer shots. We
want the ball in your hands less. I'm not sure
how that would land, but that's what they did at
the bye week with Jalen Hurts. They said, we want
a more Jalen. We don't want you throwing thirty two times,
we want twenty six. And he's like, I'm good. I
want to win. And that's why I've always said, I
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think the basketball culture in this country, but the AAU
stuff is a little broken. I love the football culture.
Obsessed with winning. Their standings not really your feelings. Facts
and standings are bigger than feelings. You gotta get over yourself.
And Jalen Hurts did it Alabama when they benched him.
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He did it Oklahoma, and he's done it multiple times
in Philadelphia. Greg Cosel Top of the Hour and a
Thursday Cowboys at Philadelphia Tonight, and FC executives anonymously sat
down with Mike Sando and ranked one through sixteen in
the NFC. Interesting how they ranked the teams that's next.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
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Speaker 6 (30:57):
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Rock o'beck lads the Cyclones in a showdown against arch
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Speaker 1 (31:17):
I'm taking Iowa State and Oklahoma big over Michigan this weekend.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
I can't believe you're taking Choklahoma in September.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
First of all, their defense is all juniors and seniors.
Brett Vennable's got his guys. It's an old defense. Have
you seen that Bryce Underwood.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
I'm familiar with his work.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah, he's great. But on the road, inexperienced quarterback, how
did they do this past weekend? They struggled? Inexperienced Oklahoma
was a top five six loud environment, old junior, senior defense,
freshman quarterback Michigan and that quarterback's good, but that's a
that's a rough spot.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
Remember last year they bottled up Jalen Milrod made him
look I mean, yeah, yeah, so at Vanderbilt.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
But okay, so Mike Sando at ESPN, who I think
it does some of their good deep diving at ESPN.
He went and he went and talked to eight NFL
executives about the NFC. So he wanted to rank one
through sixteen the NFC teams, and the executive said, listen,
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the NFC is really hard, and we've talked about this.
The AFC UF star quarterbacks. Josh Allen's going to win
his division. You know, Burrow or Lamar is going to
win his division.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
C J.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Stroud's going to probably win his division. It's just easier.
Mahomes will be a playoff quarterback. So one of the
lines by an executive anonymously is you know it's going
to be he said, somebody's going to surprise you, shock
you in the NFC and get into the playoffs, and
it's probably going to be a super lucky team. So
I went through one through sixteen. So for the radio audience,
I will read this once in order. It was Philly one,
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Green Bay, two Lions, three Bucks, four Rams, five Commander
six Niners, Vikings, Seahawks, nine Cardinals, ten Falcons, eleven Bears,
twelve Cowboys at thirteen, Giants fourteen, Panthers at fifteen. I
think Caroline is better than that, and the Saints sixteen.
I agree with that. I'll tell you why I think
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the NFC is harder than the AFC. I'll give you
an example. What in the hell do I do with Minnesota.
I love their coach, top three left tackle, maybe the
most talented receiver, good running back, excellent tight end, rebuilt
their offensive line, good home field advantage. It's an offensive league.
I like everything about Minnesota's offense, even the defense. I
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would argue after Andy Reid and'spags that Brian Flores and
Kevin O'Connell are the best coaching tannem in the league.
Now solid Shanahan a up there. It's a great in
an offensive league. I've got the Andy Reid spags of
the NFC. Great left tackle, great receiver, tight end, running back,
above average, rebuild, all line. I have no idea what
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I get with JJ McCarthy. I have no idea. I mean,
I look at Minnesota. Twelve and five is on the table,
and so is seven and ten. I have no idea.
So I wouldn't be shocked if Minnesota they're not going
to be as good as last year's record. But if
Minnesota surprises us. The other one is Arizona. Jonathan Gannon's
the coach. Here's all I know. First year four and thirteen,
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next year eight and nine took the worst defense or
second worst defense in the league. In one year their
middle of the pack, and they spent six of their
seven draft picks on defense, and they were in a
lot of one possession games. Now Jmack has called him
that's his team in the NFC, and I don't know.
I think that division is totally up for grabs. If
Matt Stafford's healthy, I'll take the Rams. If he's not,
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Rams could finish fourth if they're going with you know,
Jimmy Garoppolo thirteen weeks. I don't know. But Arizona's interesting also,
star tight end, star receiver, star back, old lines better
than you think. I don't know what to do with Arizona.
And I like Kyler Murray. Not everybody does, but spinet movement.
I again, I'll say it with Arizona, eleven and six
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is on the table, and six and eleven is on
the table, I don't know. And the other one is
the Bears. I don't know. Again, would you be shocked
if they're ten and seven and they're a wild card
team or what if it implodes and they're seven and ten.
I like Ben Johnson, but I don't know. Caleb Williams.
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Dude's got the horsepower. But I don't know receivers, DJ Moore,
Roma Dunze tight Ends. They've got two of them. That kid,
Colston Lovelin from Michigan's had a great camp. I don't know.
In the NAFC, I know who's great, and I know
who's a tire fire. Buffalo is gonna be really, really good.
Baltimore is gonna be good. Houston's gonna be good. Jmack
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loves the Jags. I'm terrified to bet the Jags this
weekend against Carolina. Like, I don't know what the Jags. Okay,
that's rare in the AFC. In the AFC, there's one
team that I it could be anything. Jacksonville, Like, I
don't know what Jacksonville. I don't trust them. It's a
new coach. I feel like I feel that way about Minnesota, Chicago, Arizona.
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I actually think Carolline is better than people think. I
don't even know what to make I love Seattle. You
don't Seattle's five to one to win their division. So
Vegas doesn't have a clue what to do with Seattle.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
So just a clear setting up. I don't love the Jags.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
I'm betting on Liam Cohen, their new head coach, who
is a.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
I don't want to put the genius label.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
On him, but let's be real. What he did with
Baker Mayfield Colin pretty impressive, I mean, very very good.
And I think with the addition of Travis Hunter, who's
starting at wide receiver two you get Brian Thomas, that
offense will be making the jump to light speed. Okay,
Travis etn They got a young p I would bet
on the Cohen brothers for another hit movie. I don't
know if Liam Cohen's a guy I'm gonna bet on you.
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Have you looked at the Panthers defense? Have you looked
at their wide receiver room were number wide receiver who
was awesome last year?
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Coker?
Speaker 6 (36:59):
He's out Adam Thieler and they traded him last week.
They got young dudes, Bryce Young.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
But I think Jacksonville is the one team in the
AFC we're not. You don't know what you're gonna get.
I think the NFC's got six of those. I the
NF this is just like this anonymous execs said, somebody's
gonna get hot, somebody's gonna get lucky. They're gonna win
the fumbles games, They're gonna win the walkoff games.
Speaker 6 (37:23):
Can you call that back on the screen because I
thought I saw Tampa Bay four? Is it was that
incorrect in the n you like Tampa, I don't like
them that much.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
I mean, Colin, that's it.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Well, I think works is not even selling week one.
So again I think that the NFC power rankings based
on executives is you don't know after Philadelphi even Green
Bay is Jordan love good?
Speaker 5 (37:44):
Yeah, I don't know why the Rams are buried so low.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
The Niners feels like a huge with Colin No Tristan
Wurf's an aging defense in Tampa there was hemorrhaging points
last year. I don't think the Bucks are that good.
I'm on team Falcons here. I like Atlanta. Okay, So
I want to end this first hour. Greg Cosell top
next hour. So we went back and looked.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Not only were we right, it's happened now five years
in a row where at least a six and a
half point underdog, almost a touchdown underdog, has one week one.
So last year, the Patriots beat the Bengals. Year before,
Lions beat the Chiefs on Thursday Night Football. The Steelers
beat the Bengals the year before as a touchdown Dog.
The Steelers beat the Bills. Remember that game. I think
(38:26):
there was a block pund or something weird in that game.
Steelers went to Buffalo and beat Josh Allen and the Bills.
I remember that because I had the Bills. And then
five years ago Jags beat the Colts and it was
not a very it was a better Colts team and
out a very good Jacks team. So when you look
at the schedule, five years in a row is a trend.
I'd argue three years a trend. Five years is an absolute.
(38:49):
What is Don't tell me Philadelphia is going down? All right?
Speaker 5 (38:53):
Giants are Browns? Which one you want?
Speaker 1 (38:55):
One of those Giants?
Speaker 5 (38:57):
Both are divisional matchups.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
I like the Giants. I think the Giants is the
upset of the weekend.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
Both have new quarterbacks this season.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
The other thing is the Giants defensive front.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
They gotta keep them in that game.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Also Dan Quinn head coach, Washington Baden Openers, Brian Dable
offensive coach. Offensive coaches tend to be early in the season.
They bring out the stuff they've been drawn up all
off season. Giants at Washington, that one feels like it's
six and alight. What's the spread? Six and a half.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
It's been coming down.
Speaker 6 (39:29):
Actually, there's some money coming in on the Giants as
well as the Browns. Now, let's just remember Bengals notorious
slow starters, right their offensive line. Have you looked at Yeah,
he's something a guy named Patrick att Guard who's been
awful the last like three seasons. I wonder if Miles
Garrett and company could scheme up some stuff and make
that an interesting game.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Well, I mean, Flaco's starting, so it's a grown up.
He's at home. We haven't seen him much in the preset.
I don't even know how many stamps did Joe Flacco
take in the preseas. Did he take one? I don't know.
So they, you know, they feel confident in that that's
our starter. Yeah, one of those two.
Speaker 6 (40:02):
I'm not buying the Saints shock the Cardinals. Gosh, that
would be depressing because I'm the loaded up on the cart.
I mean, it's like six and a half seven.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
I know you're you're you're interesting because you don't like
Kyler Murray, but they're your shocking team in the league.
So you're making a bet. You make fun of me
because I bet against in the opener, Josh Allen and
maybe Mahomes. You don't even like Kyler Murray and you're
loading up on you used to like him.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
I'm kind of out on him. I know you guys
are hanging out at UFC fights, but it's less about
Kyler mccollin, Connor McBride, Harrison.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
They're sacked. Oh, they've got really good players.
Speaker 6 (40:35):
And you look at the Saints that I'm like, did
you watch Spencer Ratler last year?
Speaker 1 (40:38):
I know he was a great it was all one six.
I think it's a starter.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
I read that somewhere and Tyler they draft a new guy.
He can't even beat out to Spencer Ratler. So I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Kellen Moore.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Do we like Kellen Moore?
Speaker 5 (40:49):
I know people like, well, he was great.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
I don't know. Undecided, he goes.
Speaker 5 (40:53):
We're going to be great with her without Kellen Moore.
I did Kelly Moore do with the Chargers?
Speaker 6 (40:57):
Remember a couple of years ago, there's all this excitement
as the offensive.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Coordinator, Oh, Herbert Chuck Kellen Moore. Kellen Moore got fired
and like, I don't know this feel this week one
is crazy. I'll all circle this. I think Minnesota at Chicago, Yeah,
that is fascin.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
That one of those nights where you're not drinking.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Bro every I'm not. You got me marginalized as some
out of control boozer. Last night I had one Tito's
iced tea. It's called a John Daily. Really, yeah one.
Speaker 6 (41:31):
I thought you were hanging out with the boys. I
didn't get a call. Still waiting for my boys or
a good time. By the way, I check with the wife.
I'm free tonight. If you just happen to be in
my neighborhood, I'm.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
All jammed up doing I have a dentist appointment. I'm
moving across town.
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