September 10, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin discusses all the praise Vikings quarterback JJ McCarthy is getting for his 4th quarter comeback against the Bears and explains why organizational support is underrated in the NFL
He gives his thoughts on Bears HC Ben Johnson owning his mistakes during his teams loss against the Vikings
Colin also defends the Ravens and Lamar Jackson for another late game collapse by sharing evidence mostly great teams in the NFL have the most blown leads
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
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It's Wednesday, meaning Joel Clat one hour from now, as
we head into a college football weekend.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
You know, Jay MC.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Listen to Chicago Radio this morning, they're all worked out, everybody.
I had three different people, what what.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Do you make at? What are you making? Tato?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Will you?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I said, it's a long season. I'm not sure, but
I was thinking about this this morning. We're both parents,
and you know, parents want their kids to be number one,
number one in the class valedictorian, got to start on
the basketball team, number one. It's all nonsense. It's all nonsense.
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Where you go to college, where do you fit best?
Is where you should go to college if you're going
to be a success. Phil Knight started at Oregon. He
eventually went to Stanford, but he started, you know, at Oregon,
And that's kind of.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
The reality of life. It's about fit.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Here's where finishing number one doesn't necessarily help you. Getting
drafted as a quarterback. JJ McCarthy was the fifth quarterback
taken and Bo Nix was the sixth. Yet they got
Kevin O'Connell and they got Sean Payton, Lamar Jackson, last quarterback,
first round. Last player actually went to the Ravens. Patrick
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Mahomes pick went to the Stable Chiefs. Josh Allen, third
quarterback taken Aaron Rodgers, Dan Marino fell in the first round.
One got Don Shula, Super Bowl second year, the other
one got, you know, the Packers. I don't know how
good JJ McCarthy is. I don't know how good bo
Nicks is, but I suspect they're both going to win
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their division a lot and over the course of fifteen
years they're gonna win a bunch of games. Because I
think Kevin O'Connell is the best young offensive coach in football.
I know Sean McVay, yeah, but I mean, I don't
even consider Sean McVay young anymore, right, Like, he's a
veteran head coach, and that's a lot of it. There
are a lot of bad coaching staffs in this league.
And even when you get a coach that's not bad,
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pretty good Mike Tomlin, it doesn't mean he has any
understanding or any sensibility on how to help a young quarterback.
If you go look at Jared Goff's entire career, it
is tied to how good his coach is and the
Minnesota Like he's My wife used to live and work
in Minnesota, not a big sports fan, and we were
talking about Minnesota beating the Bears because we now live
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in Chicago, and she said, well, the Vikings are always good, right,
And I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
That's right. The Vikings are always good.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
They always have good owners, they always have a good
front office, a good general manager, a solid coach. I
mean Sam Donald and Kirk Cousins both finished top ten
in offense. I mean Sam Donald's career was over and
all of a sudden, he's MVP talk. I don't think
that would have happened. Didn't happen in Carolina, didn't happen
to the Jets. So this idea, this our society is
you've got to finish number one. Where do you fit best?
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I don't care if it's a high school choice, which
a lot of times you don't have options. But when
it's a college choice. The IVY League isn't for everybody.
Big state schools, you know Texas, you know they're not
for everybody. Some kids need more tutoring, smaller schools. Some
kids may need vocational schools or junior college, whatever it takes.
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But I look at bow Nicks, you know bo Nicks
in September. I looked at this up this morning in September.
In his career, two touchdowns, six picks. Yet Bo Nicks
has a winning record in September. That's called organizational support
and coaching support. He's been bad in September, and he
has a winning record in the AFC in a division with.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Justin Herbert and Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
You're not doing that with bad coaching, So JJ McCarthy,
Jim Harbaugh to Kevin O'Connell, I'm sorry. A part of
his success is that it's not fair. Baker Mayfield got
Cleveland and Hugh Jackson, Mahomes got Andy Reid and the
Hunk family.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Now, I think Mahomes is better than Baker, and it.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Took Baker a while to prove he could be a
franchise guy you could trust. And I do think talent
eventually finds its way. But in the NFL, injuries regulated
levels of violence, sometimes you don't.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Sometimes you get banged up.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Drew Brees wanted to be a Miami Dolphin and they
wouldn't let him. And thank god Sean Payton was there
right like banged up in San Diego. Dolphins are not interested.
Team doctor says, no, what if Sean Payton doesn't exist,
one of the all time greats gets another situation where
it's just not perfect for him. So listen, man, we
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all know this. The longer you live, parenting is not fair.
Some people get bad parents and bad bosses and bad coaches.
And you know, I just all I know is I
look at JJ McCarthy and Bowe Nicks. One is the
fifth quarterback taken. One is the sixth quarterback taken. I
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mean through three quarters. JJ McCarthy was about as bad
as you can be in the NFL. At quarterback that
picked six was Will Levis stuff, But his coach stayed
with him, hung with him, supported him. Here's Kevin O'Connell
on JJ's budding bond with his teammates.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
All the credit in the world should go to JJ
and his teammates. I mean that that relationship that's been built,
and you know many times around the league that those
you know, the requirements sometimes are you got to do
those things. First, we got to see it for our
team to still trust in that moment, and then kind
of that explosion of energy and emotion when he was,
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you know, making some of those plays in the second
half that you know, that can be infectious for a while,
I hope, because now we do have confirmation.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
We are obsessed with finishing number one. When it comes
to quarterbacks. Yeah, I mean, you know, there's there's the
occasional John Elway. But look at what Caleb Williams inherited
ownership down and look what bow Nicks got maybe the
richest owners in sports. I think I read yesterday they've
got a new stadium. It's Sean Payton. They led the
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NFL in sacks. Bow Nix doesn't have to get in shootouts.
By year two, his defense was keeping him in games.
JJ McCarthy as Brian Flores. I was talking to a
Bears fan this morning that was all dejected. I said, listen,
the bottom line is, Brian Flores in your opener is
a rough is a rough game. Caleb Williams probably faced
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his best defensive coordinator in the first game of the
rebuild with Ben Johnson. All Right, speaking of Ben Johnson,
I can't speak for everybody else, but I think this
is true. The best bosses I've ever had in my
life have held me accountable, but have also held my
coworkers accountable and themselves accountable. And Ben Johnson was talking
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about his debut as an NFL head coach.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Yeah, I didn't think I called a particularly great game.
I could have adjusted a little bit better to the
lack of pressure that flow was given us, and so
I can do a better job there. And then at
the end of the game, felt like we could kick
it out of the back.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
We weren't able to get that.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
In hindsight, I should have kicked you out of.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Balance training camp OTAs pre season week one. He's holding
himself and Caleb Williams accountable. Best bosses I've ever had
do the same thing. I always tell my boss bark
at me.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Just upset. Tell me, I'll figure it out.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Remember Matt Eberflus, they lost a hail mary game, gave
up all those free yards before the hail Mary. He
was questioned, nothing to see here, That is just no
big deal.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
It's a big deal. It's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
A lot of things were a big deal, and it
was always Mike McDaniel ice cream for breakfast. Mike McDaniel,
Miami players stroll in late Tyreek Hill criticizes his quarterback
publicly in camp. Remember this year in camp when teams
practiced against those joint practices practice against the Dolphins, and
I forget the team, but one of the players in
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the team said, yeah, they don't practice like us. Miami
doesn't practice nearly as hard as US standards. Excuses not
holding people accountable. Sean McVay admits now with the Rams
he had to lighten up. He was so harsh and intense.
Tom Comflin lightened up and then beat Brady and Belichick
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twice in Super Bowls. If you look at Conflin and
Sean McVay, their resumes are filled with accountability to themselves
and others. It's one of my knocks on Mike Tomlin
he's two player friendly. It just just I mean, And again,
I don't expect my.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Coaches to be perfect.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Right, we're all on a couch watching, you know, when
you're in a game and it's fluid and it's going fast.
I was joking with the staff this morning. It's like
going on a date with a beautiful, smart woman. You
want to be funny but not silly, confident but not arrogant,
smart but not preach like you know, like it's oh,
the state's happening and she's judging me, and I don't
have time, and they make their mind up in eight minutes.
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Then it's much easier to sit and watch the date
and go, boy, he's not handling it well, he's not
asking her about her, He's doing too much talking. That's
the way we judge in the media coaching. Well, how
come he didn't do this? And how come he didn't
do that. You've got a million things going on in
your head. You're dealing with coordinators, you're on the headset,
you're dealing with players, you're dealing with a clock.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
So I don't I don't. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Coaches are perfect, but when they make mistakes, just own it.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
You just got to own it.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
And Ben Johnson was in Detroit with Matt Patricia and
in Detroit with with Dan Campbell. So he's seen good
culture and bad culture. And that's the one thing about
Dan Campbell. I don't think he's a schematic genius, but
he's an authentic guy who when he screws up, Dan
Campbell owns it. And that is a great quality to
have as a quarterback, or as a coach, or as
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a boss, or as an employee. It was a Dolphins
Lions joint practice. Yeah, it was a Lions player who's said, yeah, Miami, it,
don'll practice like us. They're not nearly as intense. There,
you go, got to own it. Joel Klass's going to
show up forty five minutes from now. Mark Sanchez, by
the way, I think I read this morning that he's
got a new show at night on Fox on Tuesday
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Night's Wednesday night. So I'm like that, we'll ask Mark
Sanchez about that. You know, there's still a little reverb
Jmack on the Ravens lost of the Bills, which if
Dereck Henry doesn't fumble, it probably doesn't exist. I am
going to pivot on this I'm going to defend the
Ravens again today on this because I think I think
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the media is overlooking something about the Baltimore Ravens. And
I discussed it kind of yesterday where I said, you know,
I mean, Lamar Jackson's one of those quarterbacks you may
not figure him out until like the seventh, eighth, or
ninth series so later in games because he's such a
unique style. But I thought of something else this morning,
and I'll discuss that coming up.
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Speaker 1 (12:50):
So the Ravens got clobbered over the last couple of
days because they blew that late lead to Josh Allen
on the road. Yeah, Josh Allen occasionally is amazing.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I don't know if you've heard of him, but it
was interesting. I went back and I looked.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I said, you know, someven doesn't smell right, And I
went back, and the Ravens are one of seven teams
to lead at least twenty games by nine to sixteen
points in the fourth quarter over the past four seasons.
And here's what's funny about the teams that lead big.
They're all good Ravens, Bills, Niners, Lions, Eagles, Chiefs, and
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the Bengals are good with Joe Burrow. And not a
lot of crappy teams lead big. The other thing I
noticed is not only have the Ravens led more in
big games, they've led by more a lot more often. Yes,
they've had ten more huge leads in the fourth quarter
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than Buffalo, ten more in just four seasons, and seven
more than the Chiefs in just four seasons and ten
more than the Bengals. I'm not saying they don't play
with their food a little and they don't need to
get better. But when you look closely at it, wouldn't
the Jets, Giants and Panthers Jags love to have the
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luxury of actually leading by nine to sixteen points in
the fourth quarter. I think the Giants would love the
opportunity for that to happen. All the teams that are
listed blowing leads, they're all the good teams. And then
I went and looked at the teams they've blown leads against.
And here's what's interesting. It's often horrible teams. Dolphins, Giants, Jags, Browns, Raiders.
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They get complacent, they lead big, they close up shop offensively,
and they get burned on the back end. Again, I'm
not saying they don't have to get better then, and
I don't think Dereck Henry is going to fumble away
a lot of wins going forward.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Okay, so some of it's just circumstantial. It's a bad break.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Then I went and looked at the head coaches in
the history of the league with the most blown fourth
quarter leads, double digit leads, Yeah, Tom Landry, Don Shula,
Bill Belichick, Mike Shanahan, and John Harbaugh. You see blown leads.
You know what I see Lombardi trophies. Great companies with
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high expectations sometimes underachieved slightly and the stock goes down
because there's these huge expectations of their quarterly earnings. Right Like,
it's oh, Navidia, it was off half of one percent. Well,
it's because Navidia has been on a seven year run.
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So the Ravens have two touchdown leads significantly more than
every other team, including the Chiefs and the Bills, over
the last just four seasons, and that's Lamar in his prime.
They get off to huge leads. It's often against bad teams.
I mean, you've heard the back door cover. That's a
term used by gamblers, where you know you have the
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better team, you bet the better team, but you're concerned
that the other team can actually throw the ball. They
may backdoor cover. You know, you take seven and a
half points and they've been getting beat by thirteen fourteen
all day, and then they backdoor cover. Sometimes back door
covers become backdoor losses. But the truth is they just
lead more than everybody else. As did Belichick and Shanahan
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and Shula and John Harbaugh and Tom Landry. So I listen,
they have an issue. They can't beat Kansas City in
the playoffs, and that's a clear issue. But I got
one of the worst problems. It's like a it's almost
a good problem to have. I mean, no problems, good
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to have. But yeah, we get into these huge leads.
By the way, we win most of them. Yeah, we
win most of the games. We lead big late. That's
also not talked about. Yeah we win seventy five eighty
five percent of those games. Yeah, but we blow it
off into bad teams. Okay, half this league would just
like the opportunity to lead between nine and sixteen points
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over the last forty years.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
And and again they play with their food a little.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
They shut down the offense, probably a drive too soon.
John Harbaugh talks about it.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
Maybe part of it is effect that we've been ahead
a lot. You know, we've won a lot of games,
so we've had a lot of and we've had a
lot of two score leads, so we've we've kept a
lot of those, but we've I think we've lost six
of them, if I'm not mistaken. That's too many. We
need to be really thoughtful of, you know, how we
decide that we're going to approach those situations going forward.
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You know, let's give us some thought.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
And for the record, in college football, and I don't
think I'm wrong saying this, you can usually tell by
the third series of a game who's going to win
the game. Very rarely does a team trail by two
touchdowns all game and comes back and wins. It just
doesn't happen in college football. Very often you can trail.
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But generally, if a team goes into a fourth quarter
leading by ten, they've got the better players and the
better staff, and the better geography and the better recruiting base.
But in the NFL, look at what we've seen with
JJ McCarthy unplayable for three quarters and then the best
quarterback in the world for about fifteen minutes. That doesn't
happen a lot in college football, where some some quarterback
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can't complete passes, pick sixes, and then in the fourth quarter, yeah,
he's like nine to ten in perfect Buffalo, scoring all
those points to win forty one to forty after being outplayed.
There are no Josh Allens quarterbacking in college football. It's
just part of being pro football. It's like basketball. It's
the reality of basketball with a three point shot. You know,
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good teams blow big leads because good teams lead big
late more than bad teams. I would imagine I haven't
looked it up, but the Washington Wizards haven't blown a
lot of fifteen point fourth quarter leads in the last decade.
I'm going to go with it probably hasn't happened much.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Back with the news.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Turn this is the Herdline news.
Speaker 8 (19:06):
All right, God, let's bust right into it. The Chargers
had a huge win over the Chiefs in Brazil, and
Jim Harbaugh just gushed about his quarterback Justin Herbert. Listen,
he loves gushing about Herbert. It's a great SoundBite.
Speaker 9 (19:19):
Here we go, huge hit on Justin, the kind of
hit that would have killed a lesser man. That's how
big that hit was. Most quarterbacks, most human beings. I mean,
you take that kind of that kind of big hit
to come back the next play and just stand in
there and you know, look down the barrel of the
gun and hit another one. You know, it's it's pretty
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impressive offensively Justin Patrick.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Herbert, Yeah, he loves him so Justin Herbert and for
the rest I'll do come on, yeah, I mean, I
think ninety nine fans get that he finally has the
right coach.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
I mean Herbert twenty five of thirty four three hundred
and eighteen yards three touchdowns against Spags and the Chiefs,
Joe Alt was remember the left tackle gone, Joe Alt
sliding over was dominant. I mean, Colin, there's a lot
of reasons to be excited. You could tell harrball well
pepin his step heading into this Raiders game.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Don't you worry about though, coming back from Brazil, going
and having to give up three and a half to
a Raiders team that is feeling themselves now with a
very good coaching staff. That's a those whenever I see
three and a half in a division rivalry game. So
you're a three and a half point favorite on the
road with a capable division ridable and Gino was more
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than capable of making big throws a lot of its
quarterbacks Like that is a game that I it just
tells me the Raiders are going to keep that thing close.
That's going to be one of the better games of
the weekend that nobody's talking about. Raiders Chargers close.
Speaker 8 (20:54):
See again, we don't want to overreact, Colin, but I
watch the Chargers face the Chiefs, you would have the
chief top six in the league. I just saw the
Raiders play the Patriots. I mean, those are two bad teams,
so I can't take them a lot from Geno carving
up a new secondary rebuilt, Like if Gino Smith did that,
what's Herbert going to do? Because he has better receivers.
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I think he has better weapons on the outside, doesn't he.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
I don't know. Raiders is one of my favorite players
of the week. Favorite.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Well, I'm not saying they're going to win. It's going
to be a Chargers field goal win. But I maybe
I was too impressed with the Raiders going three thousand
miles with a brand new everything, staffs, coordinators, quarterback, GM.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Look, everything was new. It's kind of impressive to me.
Speaker 8 (21:41):
Or perhaps here's just too chub me with the Raiders staff.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (21:45):
I have no idea. Let's go on to the next story, Colin.
That's the Pittsburgh Steelers. They got a fortunate win. We'll
call it lucky. A sixty yard field goal with a
minute left. That's luck. To go want to know, beating
my Jets. There's another revenge game this week for the
Pittsburgh Steelers, and that is DK Metcalf facing off against
his former team, the Seahawks. Ahead of the matchup, Mike
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Tomlin says, although he hasn't spoken to Dk about the game,
common sense Colin would tell you the game will mean
a lot to him. DK had a good game against
the Jets. Sauce Gardner did shut him down. The only
time he got loose was when Sauce was not guarding him.
I like the Seahawks in this spot. I know, getting
the field goal. I just I was not impressed at
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all with the Steelers defense.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Well, I think the analytics tell you Seattle got a
lot of pressures on Brock Purty, se Sam Darnold. Actually
PFF played very well. Seattle's trying to establish who their
number one receiver is. But again, I when I watched
the Steelers and the Jets, the overwhelming story to me
was how good Justin fields was.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
That?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
That was I mean, Aaron's always had games like this.
I was blown away by their offense, the left side
of their O line, Breeze Hall. I mean, my whole
takeaway was I mean I thought it was gonna be
a low scoring game, so it was a wildly entertaining
early window game. But justin fields, to me was the story.
It wasn't that Aaron, you know, with a brand new
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staff in New York, was able to hit some I mean, listen,
DK Metcalf has a problem, and they didn't run the
ball in Pittsburgh, they didn't necess Aaron got sat before time.
So I thought it was one of those wins. Not
that it was a bad win, but it wasn't as
impressive as I thought. The Jets effort was on the
other side with a whole new staff.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Totally agree.
Speaker 8 (23:30):
And when you look at Rogers, everybody now Rogers is back,
see he can play in week one. I'm just going
to caution you a lot of that was against the
Jets and their new defensive scheme and everything. This Seahawks
defense is awesome. I think Rockberty's better than Rodgers at
the stage, would you agree, yes, at this stage? Yeah,
And he struggled against this Seattle secondary. Yes, elite man. Listen.
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I was on the Niners. I felt like we got
lucky with that win. One of my Niners friends texted me,
we stole that game, like sche masks and everything. I
think Seattle's aside against Pittsburgh final story, Colin, let's go
to the Buffalo Bills that huge comeback. Everybody's still buzzing
for the forty one forty victory over the Ravens. However,
the defense was quite abhorrent, and DC Bobby Babitch knows
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how they got a correctings.
Speaker 10 (24:21):
No one in the defensive room thinks anything of that
nature was acceptable, right You look at I think third
and six plus we were six for eight, which is
a good thing.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
They were one of three in the red zone.
Speaker 10 (24:34):
That's a good thing. But all the stuff in between
that you're talking about is unacceptable, and our.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Players know that.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, that's a really interesting game. I think a lot
of Buffalo's problem is just personnel. I don't think it's
scheme necessarily. First of all, Lamar's a handful, but I
think a lot of it is they've had to the
last two years. They've had to move off defensive players
who were like guys that were like important, lot of snaps,
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you know, like veteran guys. So I think it's the
reality the Ravens defense, Kansas City's O line and run game,
you pay the quarterback big money, you're you're gonna be
a flawed team. And I think they're just flawed in
the back end. And I don't think it's coaching.
Speaker 8 (25:16):
Obviously. You see the line on the screen, Bills favored
by seven at the Jets. Let me ask you, having
faced Lamar, a running quarterback last week, is that a
big edge for Buffalo now facing no, not a poor
man's Lamar, but Justin Field wants to run.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
The worst thing for the Jets is that? I mean,
I mean Buffalo won the game. Like, by the way,
the Ravens are a twelve point favorite. I'm thinking of
taking the Ravens because they're so ticked off they tend
to bounce back. I mean, I think the best thing
Sean Payton Noah says this winning imperfectly.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
You can coach harder. So the Bills come out of
that game and.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
They were getting they were getting housed for most of
it and won. So the best thing in the NFL
you win. You want the W in the win column,
but you don't play particularly well. So those teams like
that Buffalo, to me, Buffalo's probably the side if it
goes to seven and a half I'd stay away, but
at seven points, Buffalo played mostly a very poor football game.
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Yet one those teams can do the following week be
really focused in practice.
Speaker 8 (26:20):
I'll just say the divisional underdogs were barking last week
and early in the season with most teams healthy, you
lean toward the dogs. You like the Raiders divisional dog.
I'm surprised you're not going Jets here. I'd probably have
to pass on this one. Hitting the Jets last week,
you don't want to go back to the well with
your team just in case they lay an egg. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Jmack with the.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
News, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by
the herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
We've got a lot of stuff going on.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Joel Klatt is going to be joining us at the
top of the hour.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
I saw and I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Belabor this point because I've talked about it recently, but
people don't like change. People actually feared the invention or
discovery of electricity at the time. People were a little
terrified by electricity. I lived through Y two K and
now AI and five G. New stuff freaks people out
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and a lot of people just do not handle it.
So here's a number that Fox Michael Moulvehill are analytic
Maven at Fox. Total viewing of college football is up
twenty five percent across all networks through Week two, Even
this early in the season, fair to say it's pretty
likely third straight year of record breaking total viewing of
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college football. That's for the nil, the transfer portal, and
the expanded playoff. And I would say seventy five percent
of my audience thought it would ruin the sport. Not
heard it ruin the sport. It is unbelievable so far,
great games and more big games. Now a lot of
people are saying, well, Colin, there's a new metric where
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they're counting people who are watching that are away from home,
like in bars. Yeah, but that's the right metric. For
the previous fifty years of my life. The Nielsen couldn't
get it right. They didn't count eyes, They just counted
TV sets. Have you ever gone to a bar to
watch a game?
Speaker 8 (28:25):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah, we all have about six times a year. The
TV metrics were always wrong. It was always like a
running joke that we always knew in sports we had
much greater audiences, much greater bandwidth, much larger volume of
people watching that you got credit for I'm mostly if
I'm going to go watch a game. Because of my profession,
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I don't watch with other people. But every time I
drive by or walk by on a Saturday or Sunday
a place, it could be a World Series. I mean
I during the summer of the US Open walking by
a restaurant's got three TVs on there, all in the
US Open, everybody at the bars watching. So the new
metrics are the truth. The old metrics were deceptive. And
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next year, by the way, I always my truth serum
was always this, content always wins. Content always wins any platform,
and the platform of college football had a scarcity of
big out of conference games. For the record, the SEC
next year is getting rid of like a Panera Bread
Tech and they're gonna add a ninth conference game. So
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and this weekend next week we get Auburn Oklahoma. We
wouldn't have had that a couple of years ago. Two
weeks we get Oregon, Penn State, Ohio State in Seattle
at Washington, wouldn't have had that a couple of years
ago when the PAC twelve disbanded. Is going to ruin
college football out West?
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I watched the games at Austin. They're sold out. People
seem to be into it. A Husky Stadium seems very
alive to me. I mean you told me it was
all gonna shrivel up. No, it's not only up, it's
up significantly. And the new data and metrics for college
football and sports in general are the right metrics. It's
how it should have always been measured, because we all
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watch half the games or more to bar a lounge,
so it just it just goes to show people. And
I get it. Forty percent of Americans end up living
in the area code in which they were born in.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Like, I get it. I move more than most. I
get it.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
But college football isn't better now, it's significantly better, like
not even close. That doesn't mean the transfer portal is
not a little overly aggressive. And I think people, by
the way, like every other change in life, people went
hogwild in the transfer portal. And then you watch Belichick
with seventy new players and Lincoln Riley and Brian Kelly
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and everybody's come to terms with the transfer portal left
for about three to four years. You probably shouldn't bring
in more than like eight to ten players, Like every
other change, you experiment. There's not real boundaries and borders.
It's like bitcoin. I always had a theory about bitcoin.
Eventually cryptocurrency was going to work with one or two
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companies in Bitcoin now is one of those companies. There's seventy,
you know, seven hundred cryptocurrency companies. It eventually made sense
that it would work, but there's been a lot of
scams in it the first ten years. It'll find its
footing centralized bank eventually accepted everywhere. Eventually. The first step
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is you'd watch like CNBC and it would be on
the little right, lower right corner. You're like, Okay, it's something,
but I'm getting now Penn State and Oregon and Ohio
State and Washington and you know, Ohio State's never been
afraid to play the big dogs, but you're getting the
college football playoff now. Nobody's afraid to play big games
in September.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
It's great. Coming up next.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
It was inevitable that the Kansas City Chiefs dynasty, at
least in its current form, would end, and it is next.
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Speaker 1 (32:35):
By the way, that stadium is right on the water
Lake Michigan, so it's going to be an unbelievable view.
We may have some few people on boats in that game.
By the way, we were just laughing as a staff.
The people that push back and go, well, yeah, everybody's
ratings are up because of the new metric. Basically, what
you want is an outdated metric that was inaccurate. And
I know in this day and age, accurate data gets
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a pushback a little bit, But the reality is the
old system was ridiculous because very few people watch a
game by themselves. They're got a buddy or friends, and
you know, they're sitting around and watching it with a group,
or they're at a game or a tailgate. The new
college football ratings are accurate data, which is most of
us watch it with somebody, not sitting by ourselves in
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a dark room. That's what I do because I got
a notebook and.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
I have to do it for that.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
But most people don't watch games like that, and bars
should count.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Let me.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Let me shift to the Chiefs, so they play the
Eagles this week. I like Philadelphia because I think Philadelphia's
got a significantly better roster. But teams that start the
season oh and two, and the Chiefs are now currently
o and one, and they're going to be oh and
two because they're going to lose, probably to Philadelphia. They
have an eighty eight percent chance of missing the playoffs.
Over the last thirty five years. Since nineteen ninety thirty five,
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the two hundred and eighty eight teams to start two,
they made the playoffs twelve percent of the time. And
that's it. And I think there's a lot of factors here.
I thought you could see this coming. We talked about this.
I have him as a wild card. It's the head
coach quarterback league. Mahomes, Andy Reid, Del'll be fine, but
at some point in this league, roster depth and roster
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composition and just overall good players matter, and their running
back room is weak. Mahomes led them in rushing against
the Chargers, hit fifty seven yards and Mahomes is now
behind a rebuilt offensive line and an offensive line in
transition with a way below average run game. That means
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he's going to throw the ball forty to forty five
times a game. So, and also Kansas City no longer
benefits from the dysfunction of their division. Denver played poorly
and one the Raiders did not play great, traveled three
thousand miles across the country and one. So Kansas City
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has not had a thousand yard run usher since twenty seventeen.
And I think you can get away with that in
a dysfunctional division. Or Travis Kelsey's in his prime, but
now Xavier Worthy may not play, Rashi Rice is out
for another what four to five weeks. And the other
thing that I think has to be mentioned is that
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the fatigue factor. So I looked it up this morning.
In the Mahomes era, Kansas City in a sport with
regulated violence, It's had seven long playoff runs in a row.
Kansas City has played fifteen hundred more snaps than any
other NFL team in the Mahomes era, and now the
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league is seventeen games. So when you watched the Chargers
and the Chiefs in Brazil, I could not be the
only person that fought in the first quarter.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Kansas City had no juice, like.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
None, and the Chargers had a ton of urgency and
a ton of energy. And so PFF grades gives you
an overall team grade. They judge every offensive and defensive
and special team snap. The lowest in the league Week
one was Miami, Second lowest was the Giants. Third lowest
was the Chiefs. And here comes Philadelphia with Jalen Carter returning.
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And again the Chiefs, already perilous and thin receiving corps,
could be without Xavier Worthy and just go back a year.
So I had said, one of the easier bets was
Kansas City's was gonna you know, not that it was
a bet offered, but they won fifteen games. Even Vegas
had their over under and eleven and a half, so
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they were going to pull back. They weren't going to
go undefeated in one score games. But go back to
last season. In Week one, the Ravens were a tow
from a game time touchdown.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
They got a break.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Week two, the Bengals beat them on a controversial PI call.
In Week ten beat the Broncos on a block field goal.
Two weeks later, a game winning field goal is time
expired against Carolina. Week thirteen, they beat the Raiders on
a box snap, and Week fourteen was a walk off
field goal against the Chargers that boinked in.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Or doind whatever you want to say.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
So fifteen and two was really close to be in
ten and seven, and that's hey, they want them, they
get I do think there is some magic for really
good coaches and quarterbacks in close games, but you know,
pretty easy. Even Vegas is like, well, yeah, we're going
to take four wins away in the over under. So
I think you're seeing it when I said this. I
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think I said this on Monday. You pay Josh Allen,
you pay Lamar, you pay Herbert, you pay Burrow, you
pay Mahomes. There's going to be a part of your
team that's not good. Back end of the Bills not great.
Chiefs running back room and O line work in progress,
Chargers perimeter weapons sketchy. They need Quentin Johnson to hit.
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They need Quentin Johnson in Week one for the rest
of the season. So I don't think it's a wild take. Jmack.
I like Philadelphia in this game. Jalen's back. They're a
much better roster. I think there are things you can
see in Week one that they're clear, and I think
Kansas City offensively if Worthy doesn't play, I mean Jmack,
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they're going to struggle to move the ball.
Speaker 8 (38:24):
You know, Colin. One thing we talk about a lot
with that Patriots dynasty, it's tough to stay on top
for two decades. Okay, Chiefs haven't even been on top
for a decade. Is you were constantly reinventing yourself. Belichick
was changing how the team looked. Remember they went heavy
with the slot receivers Edelman Ammondola. They won with that.
Then they had the Moss era. They moved to heavy
running backs Corey Dillon. Like they constantly they were winning
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with defense. I look at this Chiefs team, Colin, what
have they changed from last year? Are they better anywhere
than they were last year?
Speaker 3 (38:54):
When no?
Speaker 8 (38:55):
I think us just articulated. It was a lot of
smoke and mirrors to get to fifteen and two and
eleven to zero one score games. And I don't see
what's their CounterPunch if the Eagles knocked them down early?
What's your CounterPunch? By the way, there's some numbers on
Patrick Mahomes right now, he's been one of the worst
deep ball throwers in the league over the last year.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
And including Week one.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Well, and some of that is Rashi Rice not available
and Worthy dinged up and now once again maybe not available.
So some of that's just personnel, and they have a
great GM.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
But this league.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Engineers great to be very good. Okay, this is not this,
by the way, this is what Adam Silver is doing.
Adam Silver has said he wants the NBA to be
more like the NFL, like you don't know who's gonna win,
and so you can't get that third star because of
the second apron with a new CBA. So what commissioners
have the power to do if they win the collective
bargaining is you engineer the great.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Teams have to.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Move off players quickly, like the Celtics had it kind
of grandfathered in. Then Jason Tatum got hurt and suddenly
you look at the Celtics and you're like, what would
they be in the West? The fourth best team two
years ago, we thought they were going to win for
the next five champion. Denver's a prime example, the Nuggets.
They had to move off these really important like fifth starters,
rotational guys, and now it's very Yokic centric. So Adam
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Silver wants what the NFL has, which is the minute
you pay that star quarterback. I mean again, Philly's the
outlier with a hyper aggressive GM, but it's the minute
you pay the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
You're going to have holes.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
And great coaches can't fix holes, but they're great at
finding them and taking advantajit of yours. And Jim Harball
looked at that team and he did not respect their
receiving cor much.
Speaker 8 (40:42):
And oh, by the way, Belichick and I know we
bash him with those Patriots. Edelman, late round pick, Chris Hogan,
remember a converted lacrosse player had a moment, Amandola. I
don't know where they found this guy, but he was
not like a Worthier Rice. He didn't have that pedigree.
James White was a super Bowl hero. I'm pretty sure
he was a late.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Round pick, non entity Wisconsin.
Speaker 8 (41:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, It's like the are the Chiefs finding
these guys? Pacheco. He had a moment right as a
seventh round pick. Okay, what's next? And it's like they
don't really have a run game. Colin Travis Kelce Okay,
he's pretty much done. Where's the backup?
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Like they're not?
Speaker 8 (41:16):
I know you said the GM's doing a great job.
I don't see a great roster. If you stacked Chiefs, Raiders, Chargers, Broncos.
Who's got the weakest roster in that division? And it's
not a hot Denver?
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Denver now as the best. I think Denver's got the
best roster in the division.
Speaker 8 (41:32):
I think the Chargers have a better roster than the
Chiefs do, and I would we could go toe to
toe if every position.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
If Rashawn Slater was healthy and all it was the
right tackle, I would agree with that. I do think
that injury that's a Pro Bowl level player at a
key position. And it's not a knock on anybody. It's
just they've had some immature wide receivers. They've got guys
that got hurt. They moved off Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 8 (41:53):
So you mentioned Tyreek Hill, Colin, Is there a world
where they say, do we try to bring back Tyreek Hill?
Do you consider it if things are going sideways in Miami,
which it appears they are.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
If you could do it on the cheap for the
remainder of just this season. I mean, they brought back
Jujus ms Schuster, like, can we bring you back for
fourteen games or thirteen games? Because Tyreek would probably be
on his best behavior. I think there's a world where
you have to consider it. If you're on AJ Brown,
there's going to be a team that I'm telling you
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Philadelphia they are deal makers. Power two Joel Klatt coming up.
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Speaker 3 (00:45):
You know, Jay MC.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Listen to Chicago Radio this morning, they're all worked out, everybody.
I had three different people, what what.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Do you make at? What are you making? Tato?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Will you?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I said, it's a long season. I'm not sure, but
I was thinking about this this morning. We're both parents,
and you know, parents want their kids to be number one,
number one in the class valedictorian, got to start on
the basketball team, number one. It's all nonsense. It's all nonsense.
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Where you go to college, where do you fit best?
Is where you should go to college if you're going
to be a success. Phil Knight started at Oregon. He
eventually went to Stanford, but he started, you know, at Oregon,
And that's kind of.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
The reality of life. It's about fit.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Here's where finishing number one doesn't necessarily help you. Getting
drafted as a quarterback. JJ McCarthy was the fifth quarterback
taken and Bo Nix was the sixth. Yet they got
Kevin O'Connell and they got Sean Payton, Lamar Jackson, last quarterback,
first round. Last player actually went to the Ravens. Patrick
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Mahomes pick went to the Stable Chiefs. Josh Allen, third
quarterback taken Aaron Rodgers, Dan Marino fell in the first round.
One got Don Shula, Super Bowl second year, the other
one got, you know, the Packers. I don't know how
good JJ McCarthy is. I don't know how good bo
Nicks is, but I suspect they're both going to win
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their division a lot and over the course of fifteen
years they're gonna win a bunch of games. Because I
think Kevin O'Connell is the best young offensive coach in football.
I know Sean McVay, yeah, but I mean, I don't
even consider Sean McVay young anymore, right, Like, he's a
veteran head coach, and that's a lot of it. There
are a lot of bad coaching staffs in this league.
And even when you get a coach that's not bad,
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pretty good Mike Tomlin, it doesn't mean he has any
understanding or any sensibility on how to help a young quarterback.
If you go look at Jared Goff's entire career, it
is tied to how good his coach is and the
Minnesota Like he's My wife used to live and work
in Minnesota, not a big sports fan, and we were
talking about Minnesota beating the Bears because we now live
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in Chicago, and she said, well, the Vikings are always good, right,
And I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
That's right. The Vikings are always good.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
They always have good owners, they always have a good
front office, a good general manager, a solid coach. I
mean Sam Donald and Kirk Cousins both finished top ten
in offense. I mean Sam Donald's career was over and
all of a sudden, he's MVP talk. I don't think
that would have happened. Didn't happen in Carolina, didn't happen
to the Jets. So this idea, this our society is
you've got to finish number one. Where do you fit best?
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I don't care if it's a high school choice, which
a lot of times you don't have options. But when
it's a college choice. The IVY League isn't for everybody.
Big state schools, you know Texas, you know they're not
for everybody. Some kids need more tutoring, smaller schools. Some
kids may need vocational schools or junior college, whatever it takes.
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But I look at bow Nicks, you know bo Nicks
in September. I looked at this up this morning in September.
In his career, two touchdowns, six picks. Yet Bo Nicks
has a winning record in September. That's called organizational support
and coaching support. He's been bad in September, and he
has a winning record in the AFC in a division with.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Justin Herbert and Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
You're not doing that with bad coaching, So JJ McCarthy,
Jim Harbaugh to Kevin O'Connell, I'm sorry. A part of
his success is that it's not fair. Baker Mayfield got
Cleveland and Hugh Jackson, Mahomes got Andy Reid and the
Hunk family.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Now, I think Mahomes is better than Baker, and it.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Took Baker a while to prove he could be a
franchise guy you could trust. And I do think talent
eventually finds its way. But in the NFL, injuries regulated
levels of violence, sometimes you don't.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Sometimes you get banged up.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Drew Brees wanted to be a Miami Dolphin and they
wouldn't let him. And thank god Sean Payton was there
right like banged up in San Diego. Dolphins are not interested.
Team doctor says, no, what if Sean Payton doesn't exist,
one of the all time greats gets another situation where
it's just not perfect for him. So listen, man, we
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all know this. The longer you live, parenting is not fair.
Some people get bad parents and bad bosses and bad coaches.
And you know, I just all I know is I
look at JJ McCarthy and Bowe Nicks. One is the
fifth quarterback taken. One is the sixth quarterback taken. I
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mean through three quarters. JJ McCarthy was about as bad
as you can be in the NFL. At quarterback that
picked six was Will Levis stuff, But his coach stayed
with him, hung with him, supported him. Here's Kevin O'Connell
on JJ's budding bond with his teammates.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
All the credit in the world should go to JJ
and his teammates. I mean that that relationship that's been built,
and you know many times around the league that those
you know, the requirements sometimes are you got to do
those things. First, we got to see it for our
team to still trust in that moment, and then kind
of that explosion of energy and emotion when he was,
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you know, making some of those plays in the second
half that you know, that can be infectious for a while,
I hope, because now we do have confirmation.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
We are obsessed with finishing number one. When it comes
to quarterbacks. Yeah, I mean, you know, there's there's the
occasional John Elway. But look at what Caleb Williams inherited
ownership down and look what bow Nicks got maybe the
richest owners in sports. I think I read yesterday they've
got a new stadium. It's Sean Payton. They led the
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NFL in sacks. Bow Nix doesn't have to get in shootouts.
By year two, his defense was keeping him in games.
JJ McCarthy as Brian Flores. I was talking to a
Bears fan this morning that was all dejected. I said, listen,
the bottom line is, Brian Flores in your opener is
a rough is a rough game. Caleb Williams probably faced
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his best defensive coordinator in the first game of the
rebuild with Ben Johnson. All Right, speaking of Ben Johnson,
I can't speak for everybody else, but I think this
is true. The best bosses I've ever had in my
life have held me accountable, but have also held my
coworkers accountable and themselves accountable. And Ben Johnson was talking
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about his debut as an NFL head coach.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Yeah, I didn't think I called a particularly great game.
I could have adjusted a little bit better to the
lack of pressure that flow was given us, and so
I can do a better job there. And then at
the end of the game, felt like we could kick
it out of the back.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
We weren't able to get that.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
In hindsight, I should have kicked you out of.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Balance training camp OTAs pre season week one. He's holding
himself and Caleb Williams accountable. Best bosses I've ever had
do the same thing. I always tell my boss bark
at me.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Just upset. Tell me, I'll figure it out.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Remember Matt Eberflus, they lost a hail mary game, gave
up all those free yards before the hail Mary. He
was questioned, nothing to see here, That is just no
big deal.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
It's a big deal. It's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
A lot of things were a big deal, and it
was always Mike McDaniel ice cream for breakfast. Mike McDaniel,
Miami players stroll in late Tyreek Hill criticizes his quarterback
publicly in camp. Remember this year in camp when teams
practiced against those joint practices practice against the Dolphins, and
I forget the team, but one of the players in
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the team said, yeah, they don't practice like us. Miami
doesn't practice nearly as hard as US standards. Excuses not
holding people accountable. Sean McVay admits now with the Rams
he had to lighten up. He was so harsh and intense.
Tom Comflin lightened up and then beat Brady and Belichick
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twice in Super Bowls. If you look at Conflin and
Sean McVay, their resumes are filled with accountability to themselves
and others. It's one of my knocks on Mike Tomlin
he's two player friendly. It just just I mean, And again,
I don't expect my.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Coaches to be perfect.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Right, we're all on a couch watching, you know, when
you're in a game and it's fluid and it's going fast.
I was joking with the staff this morning. It's like
going on a date with a beautiful, smart woman. You
want to be funny but not silly, confident but not arrogant,
smart but not preach like you know, like it's oh,
the state's happening and she's judging me, and I don't
have time, and they make their mind up in eight minutes.
(10:01):
Then it's much easier to sit and watch the date
and go, boy, he's not handling it well, he's not
asking her about her, He's doing too much talking. That's
the way we judge in the media coaching. Well, how
come he didn't do this? And how come he didn't
do that. You've got a million things going on in
your head. You're dealing with coordinators, you're on the headset,
you're dealing with players, you're dealing with a clock.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
So I don't I don't. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Coaches are perfect, but when they make mistakes, just own it.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
You just got to own it.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
And Ben Johnson was in Detroit with Matt Patricia and
in Detroit with with Dan Campbell. So he's seen good
culture and bad culture. And that's the one thing about
Dan Campbell. I don't think he's a schematic genius, but
he's an authentic guy who when he screws up, Dan
Campbell owns it. And that is a great quality to
have as a quarterback, or as a coach, or as
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a boss, or as an employee. It was a Dolphins
Lions joint practice. Yeah, it was a Lions player who's said, yeah, Miami, it,
don'll practice like us. They're not nearly as intense. There,
you go, got to own it. Joel Klass's going to
show up forty five minutes from now. Mark Sanchez, by
the way, I think I read this morning that he's
got a new show at night on Fox on Tuesday
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Night's Wednesday night. So I'm like that, we'll ask Mark
Sanchez about that. You know, there's still a little reverb
Jmack on the Ravens lost of the Bills, which if
Dereck Henry doesn't fumble, it probably doesn't exist. I am
going to pivot on this I'm going to defend the
Ravens again today on this because I think I think
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the media is overlooking something about the Baltimore Ravens. And
I discussed it kind of yesterday where I said, you know,
I mean, Lamar Jackson's one of those quarterbacks you may
not figure him out until like the seventh, eighth, or
ninth series so later in games because he's such a
unique style. But I thought of something else this morning,
and I'll discuss that coming up.
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Speaker 1 (12:50):
So the Ravens got clobbered over the last couple of
days because they blew that late lead to Josh Allen
on the road. Yeah, Josh Allen occasionally is amazing.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I don't know if you've heard of him, but it
was interesting. I went back and I looked.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I said, you know, someven doesn't smell right, And I
went back, and the Ravens are one of seven teams
to lead at least twenty games by nine to sixteen
points in the fourth quarter over the past four seasons.
And here's what's funny about the teams that lead big.
They're all good Ravens, Bills, Niners, Lions, Eagles, Chiefs, and
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the Bengals are good with Joe Burrow. And not a
lot of crappy teams lead big. The other thing I
noticed is not only have the Ravens led more in
big games, they've led by more a lot more often. Yes,
they've had ten more huge leads in the fourth quarter
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than Buffalo, ten more in just four seasons, and seven
more than the Chiefs in just four seasons and ten
more than the Bengals. I'm not saying they don't play
with their food a little and they don't need to
get better. But when you look closely at it, wouldn't
the Jets, Giants and Panthers Jags love to have the
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luxury of actually leading by nine to sixteen points in
the fourth quarter. I think the Giants would love the
opportunity for that to happen. All the teams that are
listed blowing leads, they're all the good teams. And then
I went and looked at the teams they've blown leads against.
And here's what's interesting. It's often horrible teams. Dolphins, Giants, Jags, Browns, Raiders.
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They get complacent, they lead big, they close up shop offensively,
and they get burned on the back end. Again, I'm
not saying they don't have to get better then, and
I don't think Dereck Henry is going to fumble away
a lot of wins going forward.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Okay, so some of it's just circumstantial. It's a bad break.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Then I went and looked at the head coaches in
the history of the league with the most blown fourth
quarter leads, double digit leads, Yeah, Tom Landry, Don Shula,
Bill Belichick, Mike Shanahan, and John Harbaugh. You see blown leads.
You know what I see Lombardi trophies. Great companies with
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high expectations sometimes underachieved slightly and the stock goes down
because there's these huge expectations of their quarterly earnings. Right Like,
it's oh, Navidia, it was off half of one percent. Well,
it's because Navidia has been on a seven year run.
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So the Ravens have two touchdown leads significantly more than
every other team, including the Chiefs and the Bills, over
the last just four seasons, and that's Lamar in his prime.
They get off to huge leads. It's often against bad teams.
I mean, you've heard the back door cover. That's a
term used by gamblers, where you know you have the
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better team, you bet the better team, but you're concerned
that the other team can actually throw the ball. They
may backdoor cover. You know, you take seven and a
half points and they've been getting beat by thirteen fourteen
all day, and then they backdoor cover. Sometimes back door
covers become backdoor losses. But the truth is they just
lead more than everybody else. As did Belichick and Shanahan
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and Shula and John Harbaugh and Tom Landry. So I listen,
they have an issue. They can't beat Kansas City in
the playoffs, and that's a clear issue. But I got
one of the worst problems. It's like a it's almost
a good problem to have. I mean, no problems, good
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to have. But yeah, we get into these huge leads.
By the way, we win most of them. Yeah, we
win most of the games. We lead big late. That's
also not talked about. Yeah we win seventy five eighty
five percent of those games. Yeah, but we blow it
off into bad teams. Okay, half this league would just
like the opportunity to lead between nine and sixteen points
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over the last forty years.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
And and again they play with their food a little.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
They shut down the offense, probably a drive too soon.
John Harbaugh talks about it.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
Maybe part of it is effect that we've been ahead
a lot. You know, we've won a lot of games,
so we've had a lot of and we've had a
lot of two score leads, so we've we've kept a
lot of those, but we've I think we've lost six
of them, if I'm not mistaken. That's too many. We
need to be really thoughtful of, you know, how we
decide that we're going to approach those situations going forward.
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You know, let's give us some thought.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
And for the record, in college football, and I don't
think I'm wrong saying this, you can usually tell by
the third series of a game who's going to win
the game. Very rarely does a team trail by two
touchdowns all game and comes back and wins. It just
doesn't happen in college football. Very often you can trail.
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But generally, if a team goes into a fourth quarter
leading by ten, they've got the better players and the
better staff, and the better geography and the better recruiting base.
But in the NFL, look at what we've seen with
JJ McCarthy unplayable for three quarters and then the best
quarterback in the world for about fifteen minutes. That doesn't
happen a lot in college football, where some some quarterback
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can't complete passes, pick sixes, and then in the fourth quarter, yeah,
he's like nine to ten in perfect Buffalo, scoring all
those points to win forty one to forty after being outplayed.
There are no Josh Allens quarterbacking in college football. It's
just part of being pro football. It's like basketball. It's
the reality of basketball with a three point shot. You know,
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good teams blow big leads because good teams lead big
late more than bad teams. I would imagine I haven't
looked it up, but the Washington Wizards haven't blown a
lot of fifteen point fourth quarter leads in the last decade.
I'm going to go with it probably hasn't happened much.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Back with the news.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Turn this is the Herdline news.
Speaker 8 (19:06):
All right, God, let's bust right into it. The Chargers
had a huge win over the Chiefs in Brazil, and
Jim Harbaugh just gushed about his quarterback Justin Herbert. Listen,
he loves gushing about Herbert. It's a great SoundBite.
Speaker 9 (19:19):
Here we go, huge hit on Justin, the kind of
hit that would have killed a lesser man. That's how
big that hit was. Most quarterbacks, most human beings. I mean,
you take that kind of that kind of big hit
to come back the next play and just stand in
there and you know, look down the barrel of the
gun and hit another one. You know, it's it's pretty
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impressive offensively Justin Patrick.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Herbert, Yeah, he loves him so Justin Herbert and for
the rest I'll do come on, yeah, I mean, I
think ninety nine fans get that he finally has the
right coach.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
I mean Herbert twenty five of thirty four three hundred
and eighteen yards three touchdowns against Spags and the Chiefs,
Joe Alt was remember the left tackle gone, Joe Alt
sliding over was dominant. I mean, Colin, there's a lot
of reasons to be excited. You could tell harrball well
pepin his step heading into this Raiders game.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Don't you worry about though, coming back from Brazil, going
and having to give up three and a half to
a Raiders team that is feeling themselves now with a
very good coaching staff. That's a those whenever I see
three and a half in a division rivalry game. So
you're a three and a half point favorite on the
road with a capable division ridable and Gino was more
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than capable of making big throws a lot of its
quarterbacks Like that is a game that I it just
tells me the Raiders are going to keep that thing close.
That's going to be one of the better games of
the weekend that nobody's talking about. Raiders Chargers close.
Speaker 8 (20:54):
See again, we don't want to overreact, Colin, but I
watch the Chargers face the Chiefs, you would have the
chief top six in the league. I just saw the
Raiders play the Patriots. I mean, those are two bad teams,
so I can't take them a lot from Geno carving
up a new secondary rebuilt, Like if Gino Smith did that,
what's Herbert going to do? Because he has better receivers.
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I think he has better weapons on the outside, doesn't he.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
I don't know. Raiders is one of my favorite players
of the week. Favorite.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Well, I'm not saying they're going to win. It's going
to be a Chargers field goal win. But I maybe
I was too impressed with the Raiders going three thousand
miles with a brand new everything, staffs, coordinators, quarterback, GM.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Look, everything was new. It's kind of impressive to me.
Speaker 8 (21:41):
Or perhaps here's just too chub me with the Raiders staff.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (21:45):
I have no idea. Let's go on to the next story, Colin.
That's the Pittsburgh Steelers. They got a fortunate win. We'll
call it lucky. A sixty yard field goal with a
minute left. That's luck. To go want to know, beating
my Jets. There's another revenge game this week for the
Pittsburgh Steelers, and that is DK Metcalf facing off against
his former team, the Seahawks. Ahead of the matchup, Mike
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Tomlin says, although he hasn't spoken to Dk about the game,
common sense Colin would tell you the game will mean
a lot to him. DK had a good game against
the Jets. Sauce Gardner did shut him down. The only
time he got loose was when Sauce was not guarding him.
I like the Seahawks in this spot. I know, getting
the field goal. I just I was not impressed at
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all with the Steelers defense.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Well, I think the analytics tell you Seattle got a
lot of pressures on Brock Purty, se Sam Darnold. Actually
PFF played very well. Seattle's trying to establish who their
number one receiver is. But again, I when I watched
the Steelers and the Jets, the overwhelming story to me
was how good Justin fields was.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
That?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
That was I mean, Aaron's always had games like this.
I was blown away by their offense, the left side
of their O line, Breeze Hall. I mean, my whole
takeaway was I mean I thought it was gonna be
a low scoring game, so it was a wildly entertaining
early window game. But justin fields, to me was the story.
It wasn't that Aaron, you know, with a brand new
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staff in New York, was able to hit some I mean, listen,
DK Metcalf has a problem, and they didn't run the
ball in Pittsburgh, they didn't necess Aaron got sat before time.
So I thought it was one of those wins. Not
that it was a bad win, but it wasn't as
impressive as I thought. The Jets effort was on the
other side with a whole new staff.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Totally agree.
Speaker 8 (23:30):
And when you look at Rogers, everybody now Rogers is back,
see he can play in week one. I'm just going
to caution you a lot of that was against the
Jets and their new defensive scheme and everything. This Seahawks
defense is awesome. I think Rockberty's better than Rodgers at
the stage, would you agree, yes, at this stage? Yeah,
And he struggled against this Seattle secondary. Yes, elite man. Listen.
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I was on the Niners. I felt like we got
lucky with that win. One of my Niners friends texted me,
we stole that game, like sche masks and everything. I
think Seattle's aside against Pittsburgh final story, Colin, let's go
to the Buffalo Bills that huge comeback. Everybody's still buzzing
for the forty one forty victory over the Ravens. However,
the defense was quite abhorrent, and DC Bobby Babitch knows
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how they got a correctings.
Speaker 10 (24:21):
No one in the defensive room thinks anything of that
nature was acceptable, right You look at I think third
and six plus we were six for eight, which is
a good thing.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
They were one of three in the red zone.
Speaker 10 (24:34):
That's a good thing. But all the stuff in between
that you're talking about is unacceptable, and our.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Players know that.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, that's a really interesting game. I think a lot
of Buffalo's problem is just personnel. I don't think it's
scheme necessarily. First of all, Lamar's a handful, but I
think a lot of it is they've had to the
last two years. They've had to move off defensive players
who were like guys that were like important, lot of snaps,
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you know, like veteran guys. So I think it's the
reality the Ravens defense, Kansas City's O line and run game,
you pay the quarterback big money, you're you're gonna be
a flawed team. And I think they're just flawed in
the back end. And I don't think it's coaching.
Speaker 8 (25:16):
Obviously. You see the line on the screen, Bills favored
by seven at the Jets. Let me ask you, having
faced Lamar, a running quarterback last week, is that a
big edge for Buffalo now facing no, not a poor
man's Lamar, but Justin Field wants to run.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
The worst thing for the Jets is that? I mean,
I mean Buffalo won the game. Like, by the way,
the Ravens are a twelve point favorite. I'm thinking of
taking the Ravens because they're so ticked off they tend
to bounce back. I mean, I think the best thing
Sean Payton Noah says this winning imperfectly.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
You can coach harder. So the Bills come out of
that game and.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
They were getting they were getting housed for most of
it and won. So the best thing in the NFL
you win. You want the W in the win column,
but you don't play particularly well. So those teams like
that Buffalo, to me, Buffalo's probably the side if it
goes to seven and a half I'd stay away, but
at seven points, Buffalo played mostly a very poor football game.
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Yet one those teams can do the following week be
really focused in practice.
Speaker 8 (26:20):
I'll just say the divisional underdogs were barking last week
and early in the season with most teams healthy, you
lean toward the dogs. You like the Raiders divisional dog.
I'm surprised you're not going Jets here. I'd probably have
to pass on this one. Hitting the Jets last week,
you don't want to go back to the well with
your team just in case they lay an egg. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Jmack with the.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
News, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by
the herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
We've got a lot of stuff going on.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Joel Klatt is going to be joining us at the
top of the hour.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
I saw and I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Belabor this point because I've talked about it recently, but
people don't like change. People actually feared the invention or
discovery of electricity at the time. People were a little
terrified by electricity. I lived through Y two K and
now AI and five G. New stuff freaks people out
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and a lot of people just do not handle it.
So here's a number that Fox Michael Moulvehill are analytic
Maven at Fox. Total viewing of college football is up
twenty five percent across all networks through Week two, Even
this early in the season, fair to say it's pretty
likely third straight year of record breaking total viewing of
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college football. That's for the nil, the transfer portal, and
the expanded playoff. And I would say seventy five percent
of my audience thought it would ruin the sport. Not
heard it ruin the sport. It is unbelievable so far,
great games and more big games. Now a lot of
people are saying, well, Colin, there's a new metric where
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they're counting people who are watching that are away from home,
like in bars. Yeah, but that's the right metric. For
the previous fifty years of my life. The Nielsen couldn't
get it right. They didn't count eyes, They just counted
TV sets. Have you ever gone to a bar to
watch a game?
Speaker 8 (28:25):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah, we all have about six times a year. The
TV metrics were always wrong. It was always like a
running joke that we always knew in sports we had
much greater audiences, much greater bandwidth, much larger volume of
people watching that you got credit for I'm mostly if
I'm going to go watch a game. Because of my profession,
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I don't watch with other people. But every time I
drive by or walk by on a Saturday or Sunday
a place, it could be a World Series. I mean
I during the summer of the US Open walking by
a restaurant's got three TVs on there, all in the
US Open, everybody at the bars watching. So the new
metrics are the truth. The old metrics were deceptive. And
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next year, by the way, I always my truth serum
was always this, content always wins. Content always wins any platform,
and the platform of college football had a scarcity of
big out of conference games. For the record, the SEC
next year is getting rid of like a Panera Bread
Tech and they're gonna add a ninth conference game. So
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and this weekend next week we get Auburn Oklahoma. We
wouldn't have had that a couple of years ago. Two
weeks we get Oregon, Penn State, Ohio State in Seattle
at Washington, wouldn't have had that a couple of years
ago when the PAC twelve disbanded. Is going to ruin
college football out West?
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I watched the games at Austin. They're sold out. People
seem to be into it. A Husky Stadium seems very
alive to me. I mean you told me it was
all gonna shrivel up. No, it's not only up, it's
up significantly. And the new data and metrics for college
football and sports in general are the right metrics. It's
how it should have always been measured, because we all
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watch half the games or more to bar a lounge,
so it just it just goes to show people. And
I get it. Forty percent of Americans end up living
in the area code in which they were born in.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Like, I get it. I move more than most. I
get it.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
But college football isn't better now, it's significantly better, like
not even close. That doesn't mean the transfer portal is
not a little overly aggressive. And I think people, by
the way, like every other change in life, people went
hogwild in the transfer portal. And then you watch Belichick
with seventy new players and Lincoln Riley and Brian Kelly
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and everybody's come to terms with the transfer portal left
for about three to four years. You probably shouldn't bring
in more than like eight to ten players, Like every
other change, you experiment. There's not real boundaries and borders.
It's like bitcoin. I always had a theory about bitcoin.
Eventually cryptocurrency was going to work with one or two
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companies in Bitcoin now is one of those companies. There's seventy,
you know, seven hundred cryptocurrency companies. It eventually made sense
that it would work, but there's been a lot of
scams in it the first ten years. It'll find its
footing centralized bank eventually accepted everywhere. Eventually. The first step
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is you'd watch like CNBC and it would be on
the little right, lower right corner. You're like, Okay, it's something,
but I'm getting now Penn State and Oregon and Ohio
State and Washington and you know, Ohio State's never been
afraid to play the big dogs, but you're getting the
college football playoff now. Nobody's afraid to play big games
in September.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
It's great. Coming up next.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
It was inevitable that the Kansas City Chiefs dynasty, at
least in its current form, would end, and it is next.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
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Speaker 8 (32:13):
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Quarterback Dante More leads Oregon's explosive attack into their first
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ten Eastern live from Evanston with the Big Noon kickoff crew.
Then it's Oregon Northwestern only on Fox.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
By the way, that stadium is right on the water
Lake Michigan, so it's going to be an unbelievable view.
We may have some few people on boats in that game.
By the way, we were just laughing as a staff.
The people that push back and go, well, yeah, everybody's
ratings are up because of the new metric. Basically, what
you want is an outdated metric that was inaccurate. And
I know in this day and age, accurate data gets
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a pushback a little bit, But the reality is the
old system was ridiculous because very few people watch a
game by themselves. They're got a buddy or friends, and
you know, they're sitting around and watching it with a group,
or they're at a game or a tailgate. The new
college football ratings are accurate data, which is most of
us watch it with somebody, not sitting by ourselves in
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a dark room. That's what I do because I got
a notebook and.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
I have to do it for that.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
But most people don't watch games like that, and bars
should count.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Let me.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Let me shift to the Chiefs, so they play the
Eagles this week. I like Philadelphia because I think Philadelphia's
got a significantly better roster. But teams that start the
season oh and two, and the Chiefs are now currently
o and one, and they're going to be oh and
two because they're going to lose, probably to Philadelphia. They
have an eighty eight percent chance of missing the playoffs.
Over the last thirty five years. Since nineteen ninety thirty five,
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the two hundred and eighty eight teams to start two,
they made the playoffs twelve percent of the time. And
that's it. And I think there's a lot of factors here.
I thought you could see this coming. We talked about this.
I have him as a wild card. It's the head
coach quarterback league. Mahomes, Andy Reid, Del'll be fine, but
at some point in this league, roster depth and roster
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composition and just overall good players matter, and their running
back room is weak. Mahomes led them in rushing against
the Chargers, hit fifty seven yards and Mahomes is now
behind a rebuilt offensive line and an offensive line in
transition with a way below average run game. That means
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he's going to throw the ball forty to forty five
times a game. So, and also Kansas City no longer
benefits from the dysfunction of their division. Denver played poorly
and one the Raiders did not play great, traveled three
thousand miles across the country and one. So Kansas City
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has not had a thousand yard run usher since twenty seventeen.
And I think you can get away with that in
a dysfunctional division. Or Travis Kelsey's in his prime, but
now Xavier Worthy may not play, Rashi Rice is out
for another what four to five weeks. And the other
thing that I think has to be mentioned is that
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the fatigue factor. So I looked it up this morning.
In the Mahomes era, Kansas City in a sport with
regulated violence, It's had seven long playoff runs in a row.
Kansas City has played fifteen hundred more snaps than any
other NFL team in the Mahomes era, and now the
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league is seventeen games. So when you watched the Chargers
and the Chiefs in Brazil, I could not be the
only person that fought in the first quarter.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Kansas City had no juice, like.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
None, and the Chargers had a ton of urgency and
a ton of energy. And so PFF grades gives you
an overall team grade. They judge every offensive and defensive
and special team snap. The lowest in the league Week
one was Miami, Second lowest was the Giants. Third lowest
was the Chiefs. And here comes Philadelphia with Jalen Carter returning.
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And again the Chiefs, already perilous and thin receiving corps,
could be without Xavier Worthy and just go back a year.
So I had said, one of the easier bets was
Kansas City's was gonna you know, not that it was
a bet offered, but they won fifteen games. Even Vegas
had their over under and eleven and a half, so
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they were going to pull back. They weren't going to
go undefeated in one score games. But go back to
last season. In Week one, the Ravens were a tow
from a game time touchdown.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
They got a break.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Week two, the Bengals beat them on a controversial PI call.
In Week ten beat the Broncos on a block field goal.
Two weeks later, a game winning field goal is time
expired against Carolina. Week thirteen, they beat the Raiders on
a box snap, and Week fourteen was a walk off
field goal against the Chargers that boinked in.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Or doind whatever you want to say.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
So fifteen and two was really close to be in
ten and seven, and that's hey, they want them, they
get I do think there is some magic for really
good coaches and quarterbacks in close games, but you know,
pretty easy. Even Vegas is like, well, yeah, we're going
to take four wins away in the over under. So
I think you're seeing it when I said this. I
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think I said this on Monday. You pay Josh Allen,
you pay Lamar, you pay Herbert, you pay Burrow, you
pay Mahomes. There's going to be a part of your
team that's not good. Back end of the Bills not great.
Chiefs running back room and O line work in progress,
Chargers perimeter weapons sketchy. They need Quentin Johnson to hit.
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They need Quentin Johnson in Week one for the rest
of the season. So I don't think it's a wild take. Jmack.
I like Philadelphia in this game. Jalen's back. They're a
much better roster. I think there are things you can
see in Week one that they're clear, and I think
Kansas City offensively if Worthy doesn't play, I mean Jmack,
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they're going to struggle to move the ball.
Speaker 8 (38:24):
You know, Colin. One thing we talk about a lot
with that Patriots dynasty, it's tough to stay on top
for two decades. Okay, Chiefs haven't even been on top
for a decade. Is you were constantly reinventing yourself. Belichick
was changing how the team looked. Remember they went heavy
with the slot receivers Edelman Ammondola. They won with that.
Then they had the Moss era. They moved to heavy
running backs Corey Dillon. Like they constantly they were winning
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with defense. I look at this Chiefs team, Colin, what
have they changed from last year? Are they better anywhere
than they were last year?
Speaker 3 (38:54):
When no?
Speaker 8 (38:55):
I think us just articulated. It was a lot of
smoke and mirrors to get to fifteen and two and
eleven to zero one score games. And I don't see
what's their CounterPunch if the Eagles knocked them down early?
What's your CounterPunch? By the way, there's some numbers on
Patrick Mahomes right now, he's been one of the worst
deep ball throwers in the league over the last year.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
And including Week one.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Well, and some of that is Rashi Rice not available
and Worthy dinged up and now once again maybe not available.
So some of that's just personnel, and they have a
great GM.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
But this league.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Engineers great to be very good. Okay, this is not this,
by the way, this is what Adam Silver is doing.
Adam Silver has said he wants the NBA to be
more like the NFL, like you don't know who's gonna win,
and so you can't get that third star because of
the second apron with a new CBA. So what commissioners
have the power to do if they win the collective
bargaining is you engineer the great.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Teams have to.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Move off players quickly, like the Celtics had it kind
of grandfathered in. Then Jason Tatum got hurt and suddenly
you look at the Celtics and you're like, what would
they be in the West? The fourth best team two
years ago, we thought they were going to win for
the next five champion. Denver's a prime example, the Nuggets.
They had to move off these really important like fifth starters,
rotational guys, and now it's very Yokic centric. So Adam
(40:17):
Silver wants what the NFL has, which is the minute
you pay that star quarterback. I mean again, Philly's the
outlier with a hyper aggressive GM, but it's the minute
you pay the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
You're going to have holes.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
And great coaches can't fix holes, but they're great at
finding them and taking advantajit of yours. And Jim Harball
looked at that team and he did not respect their
receiving cor much.
Speaker 8 (40:42):
And oh, by the way, Belichick and I know we
bash him with those Patriots. Edelman, late round pick, Chris Hogan,
remember a converted lacrosse player had a moment, Amandola. I
don't know where they found this guy, but he was
not like a Worthier Rice. He didn't have that pedigree.
James White was a super Bowl hero. I'm pretty sure
he was a late.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Round pick, non entity Wisconsin.
Speaker 8 (41:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, It's like the are the Chiefs finding
these guys? Pacheco. He had a moment right as a
seventh round pick. Okay, what's next? And it's like they
don't really have a run game. Colin Travis Kelce Okay,
he's pretty much done. Where's the backup?
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Like they're not?
Speaker 8 (41:16):
I know you said the GM's doing a great job.
I don't see a great roster. If you stacked Chiefs, Raiders, Chargers, Broncos.
Who's got the weakest roster in that division? And it's
not a hot Denver?
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Denver now as the best. I think Denver's got the
best roster in the division.
Speaker 8 (41:32):
I think the Chargers have a better roster than the
Chiefs do, and I would we could go toe to
toe if every position.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
If Rashawn Slater was healthy and all it was the
right tackle, I would agree with that. I do think
that injury that's a Pro Bowl level player at a
key position. And it's not a knock on anybody. It's
just they've had some immature wide receivers. They've got guys
that got hurt. They moved off Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 8 (41:53):
So you mentioned Tyreek Hill, Colin, Is there a world
where they say, do we try to bring back Tyreek Hill?
Do you consider it if things are going sideways in Miami,
which it appears they are.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
If you could do it on the cheap for the
remainder of just this season. I mean, they brought back
Jujus ms Schuster, like, can we bring you back for
fourteen games or thirteen games? Because Tyreek would probably be
on his best behavior. I think there's a world where
you have to consider it. If you're on AJ Brown,
there's going to be a team that I'm telling you
(42:25):
Philadelphia they are deal makers. Power two Joel Klatt coming up.
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