September 17, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin pushes back against people preaching “patience” for Vikings quarterback J.J. McCarthy by explaining the NFL is not a league of “patience” and the pressure to perform has already arrived.
He argues Chargers head coach Jim Harbaugh might be the greatest coach in football history based on his success in both college and the NFL.
Colin explains why Arch Manning may not be ready for the NFL after this season.
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Here we go. It is a Wednesday. It is great
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Speaker 3 (00:42):
So J Mack.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I was thinking about this driving in today, not driving,
but taking a train in.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I was thinking about this.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
It's easy when you're outside of a building to say
be patient.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Like it's very easy to say.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
If you're the Ohio State Buck guys and Ryan Daego's
on a two game losing street, be patient unless you're
in the building in Columbus. You can be patient at
Miami of Ohio.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
You can't be patient at Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
You have their different strains and different pressures, and I
want to.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Talk about that with JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Dave Roberts wins a World Series, literally has a bad
first half, fans won him out, and owners listen to fans,
and so do GMS. So I hear this about JJ McCarthy,
the Vikings young quarterback who in seven of eight quarters
has been awful, and I'm hearing this, Hey, you've got
to be patient. Not really, I hear that about CEOs.
(01:37):
Be patient, see the vision, long term growth. They have
quarterly earnings calls with investors and shareholders. Yeah, speed her up, Champ,
or we'll find the new CEO. This Vikings team number
one could lose their great defensive coordinator by the end
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of the season. Brian Flores do a head coaching job.
Number two. They're amazing. Left tackle Christian Darrissel is twenty six,
but he's already had one major surgery and several other injuries.
Left tackles are hard to find, especially as good as him,
and the roster's too good. So it's going to get
really expensive within the next year to two years. I mean,
this team in the last couple of years has won
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thirteen and fourteen games two out of the last three years.
I know Patience is a virtue. I understand that, but
you ever going to an NFL practice, they don't have
virtue drills ready set virtue and Green Bay, your primary
rival is great right now, and because of the youngest roster,
they're only getting better. So let's be patient for three
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years and go oh and six against your rival. I
don't buy it, this whole thing about people that preach patients.
Patience is for parenting or training, potty training a puppy,
or gardening. But the packers can be patient. They don't
have an owner the Viking and owners listen. They listen
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to people on the street and talk radio, and they
read columns, and they're gms under pressure. This isn't baseball
where if you're at a hitting slump, I will just
send you down to the minors. This isn't the NBA
where yes, he's struggling, but he's only nineteen years old.
I mean he's only a year out of high school.
JJ McCarthy's last five years of coaching, Jim Harbaugh for
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three years and Kevin O'Connell now for two. That is
world class coaching. Be good Sunday, Okay, Like it's different too.
Jared Goff. When he got to Detroit, he'd been to
a Super Bowl with the Rams and he was a
number one pick and he was very good. Okay, I'm
gonna wait a couple of years for Jared Goff because
he's proven he's good. And if you sold your first
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startup for a billion dollars, I'm gonna give you some
time with your second startup. But like Bryce Young at Carolina,
it's three years, you're not winning games. I gotta move
on and quarterbacks in twenty two five, like JJ McCarthy,
have private coaching, seven on seven summer camps. I mean
it's just they have more information at their fingertips. I
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mean they should be better. They have far more snaps
early than they ever did. So again, I will be
patient potty training a puppy, but JJ McCarthy does not
get to pee on the carpet. He's got to be
good in the next seven eight weeks. I gotta see something.
And if you look at seven of his eight quarters,
they've been terrible. And again, he was with Harball for years.
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Kevin o'conn there's an argument no coach in the history
of football is better than Jim Harball.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
And I mean that, and.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I'll talk about that in a second. And then Kevin O'Connell,
he's called the tall Sean McVay. Five years of that coaching.
I'm not waiting. I'm not waiting any longer. So I
just don't I don't buy it. I think gardening and parenting.
But all these teams are owned by billionaires, and they
listen to fans and GMS are on the clock. You
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want you want me to be? I mean Caleb Williams
has Ben Johnson and Lincoln Riley the last four years.
I got to see something fast. Speaking of Jim Harbaugh,
I was thinking about this. So in basketball, they have
the Basketball Hall of Fame. You could be a Harlem
globetrotter and make a basketball Hall of Fame. Football is different.
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There's the Pro football Hall of Fame and then there's
the college football Hall of Fame. But I was thinking
this morning that if you combined it like basketball and
it was just there was a football Hall of Fame,
you could count college and pro. I would make an
argument today the greatest coach in the history of football
is not Bill Belichick or Bill Walsh or Vince Lombardi.
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It's Jim Harball the greatest coach ever. Think about this.
He's never failed. He's five for five at San Diego, Stanford,
San Francisco, forty nine Ers, Michigan and the Chargers. He's
never failed, saving an urban unbelievable college legends, struggled in
the NFL. He's also not tied to a single player.
What's Belichick without Brady? Not great? The only person that
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kind of compares to him is Jimmy Johnson, my friend
and your friend.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Jimmy Johnson.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Great in college, great in the pros. But even Jimmy
took over a Hurricanes program that had won a Natty
and they.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Won after he left.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
And then he took over the Dolphins, and the previous
two years they were like ten and six and nine
and seven before he got there, and then he left,
and then Dave launched that took over, and Dave got
him to the playoffs with Harball. He's taken over five messes.
They're all very good by year two, some by year one.
And when he leaves, the Niners were unwatchable for four years.
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After he left. He went from Super Bowl too. Is
this the worst team in the league? I mean, it's
unbelievad he left Stanford a couple of years with Davis Shaw.
Now Stanford not good, not close for several years. So
and I think a lot of it. I mean, it's
like hardball takes stuff and one one day it's bar
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Rescue and the next day it's Michelin Star. And it's
amazing to watch Justin Herbert. We all knew Justin Herbert
was good. It wasn't a matter of that. But if
you look at Justin Herbert's last three seasons with Brandon Staley,
he'd become an average quarterback ninety three passer rating. If
you look at the last two seasons twenty games, nineteen
games with Jim Harbaugh, he's in a running for the
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best quarterback in the league. And now Jim was a quarterback,
so he's very good at that. But the defense was last.
It's now first college and pro. Now it's harder in college.
Stanford and Michigan took some years, although they got very
good very quickly. But like at Stanford, it's hard to
get players in and they were the worst program in
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college football when he took it over very quickly. He
went to USC and Pete Carroll is a forty one
point underdog and won in the Coliseum without many players.
Pete Carroll even recruited, and I really think it's very rare.
He takes over messes, they're good immediately, and when he leaves,
they're awful. And my question is why, I mean, as
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great as Jimmy Johnson is. He left the Cowboys, they
won a Super Bowl. He left the Hurricanes they wanted Nanny.
He left the Dolphins, they made the playoffs. And the
only thing I could wrap my brain around is that
when Jimmy Johnson left, you lost a great coach. When
Jim Harbaugh leaves, you lose the soul of the franchise.
He is so authentic, such a unicorn, such a unique personality.
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Eric Mangini years ago was in the offices of the
San Francisco forty nine ers, and he's been around Belichick
and great coaches, and I asked him about Harbaugh and
he said, yeah, I've never been around a coach like
Jim Harbaugh. And he's been around a lot of great coaches.
He goes there's nobody like hardball. It's not about the meetings,
it's the personality, the relentlessness, the obsession with football.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
He is obsessed with football.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
He leaves an organization, you don't lose a good coach,
you lose your personality. And I had Julian Edelman yesterday,
I said, how do you change a culture everywhere you
go that quickly?
Speaker 5 (09:25):
You can get fundamentals down, not turn the ball over,
not beat yourself with pre snap penalties. That's how you
change a culture right away, not with all the talking,
not with this. It's with the actions that they they're
showing that they're doing so they've looked very good. And
I think when a coach comes in and establishes that
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if he wants to be a tough football team, tough
football teams don't beat themselves.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
And Herbert's interceptions, Herbert's turnovers under Staley go up under Harball,
they mostly disappear. So I mean, I think if you
counted all coaches, usually there's always been this sense that
a college football coach has a certain personality. You know,
he's kind of glibbed, he's got to talk to the donors,
he's got to be a great recruiter. But the NFL guys,
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they're kind of academic, they're miserable. They look all a
little overweight and a little tired under the thirteenth cup
of coffee. And there's something that Harbad does that. And
what's most remarkable. Michigan was a mess, Stanford was a mess.
The Niners were a mess. He makes them great. He
leaves there is a noticeable drop off overnight, noticeable, and
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I think, again, he's not a coach, he is a
soul of a program. And you're just I mean, it's
like when Steve Jobs left Apple. You didn't just lose
a smart guy. He was the soul of Apple. Phil
Knight briefly stepped away from Nike years and years, a
couple decades ago. Like overnight, stock plummeted, fills the vision,
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fills the soul.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Of Nike. So here we are. You know what else?
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I made sure I wanted to talk one more day
Jay Mack about a guy.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Now he's a little bit of a gunslinger, he's a
little old school. But Baker Mayfield, Oh yeah, there's a
stat And I think this speaks well of Baker Mayfield.
The two quarterbacks in the league that have had the
most interception worthy throws are Bonnicks and Baker Mayfield. And
I was thinking as I was writing this morning, I
was writing notes for the Harbaugh thing rant, and I thought,
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you know what makes Baker great is that in Cleveland
his personality was seen as flammable. He's kind of the
same guy in Tampa. But it's not a flammable franchise.
But the fact that he leads the NFL right now
in interception worthy throws, it speaks to who he is.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
He is a gun slinger. He is a lot of
farv and.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I think that's incredibly appealing to a lot of football fans.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
Totally agree.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
And he actually ties into your earlier point about JJ
McCarthy because just imagine if the Cleveland Browns has had
had some patience with Baker Mayfield, they wouldn't be cycling
through a litany of quarterbacks every year looking for a guy.
I think that's a great point. Baker has that gunslinger.
It didn't work in Cleveland, but it necessarily wasn't Baker's fault,
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right because Baker is an excellent quarterback right now. Me
he was one of the leaders in yards and touchdowns
last year.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I also think Tampa is a different feel. I think
Baker's matured. I think I think the Browns are just
a flammable organization. Stefanski's brought the temperature down considerably. But
even with Stefanski, they guaranteed Deshan Watson a contract, they
drafted to her Sanders and nobody thinks Stefansky Andrew Berry
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wanted him. So that's just who they are. And when
you combine Baker's kind of raw personality with that culture,
it just didn't feel right.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Now.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
He's kind of the same guy. I'm matured a little,
but it feels perfect in Tampa because it's not a
flammable organization.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
It's kind of it's almost a sleepy organization.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (13:07):
I think if you're doing top ten quarterbacks, you cannot
leave Baker out of the top ten, all.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Right, right now, He's absolutely in it.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
Hey, I mean in not just two games last season,
he was incredible. This season before that, he was very,
very good. He is playing out of his mind.
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Speaker 1 (14:01):
I have always felt Joel Klatt top of Next Hour,
that you know certain people had been born too early
or too late. You know, Magic Johnson would have been
a good basketball player, but he was so physically big
for the point guard position six'. Eight now you've got
a lot of big. Guards he also was not a great.
Shooter now THE nba is about. SHOOTING i, Mean Steph
(14:24):
curry would have worked much better now than later because
he took shots that you weren't allowed to take in the, seventies, eighties.
NINETIES i don't care how good you were at shooting.
Them that the math hadn't been figured out in THE,
nba And Steph curry would have been shooting him and
they would have, said, well you're hitting thirty eight percent of,
them And steph would have, said.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah but if you do threes and.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Twos it took the analytics community to convince, people and
it still The lakers forever would not embrace the three point.
Shot So Steph curry born in the perfect, era a small,
guy not, physical not a, great but his shot which
has been totally embraced because the sport, changed like the sport,
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Changed AND, i you, KNOW i just think the reality
Is Baker mayfield has had a great couple of years In.
Tampa but it used to Be staubach And aikman And
Harry bradshaw And Dan. Fout you got drafted by a
team and you crossed your, fingers they would eventually get
you the right. Coach Eventually Dan fouts Gets Don coriel,
(15:32):
right and Eventually elway Gets. Shanahan but you kind of
just stayed with your. Team but young, gms now gms are.
Younger everybody. TRADES i, Mean Micah parsons just got traded
to a great team in the same, Conference Green bay From.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Dallas and so if you.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Look At baker's first five years in THE, nfl if
he'd have been born in nineteen, fifty nineteen, fifty it
would have been. Done he was under five, hundred his
past rating was mid. Eighties he completed sixty one percent
of his. Throws he had one hundred touchdown, passes sixty five.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Picks he would have never been given other.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Opportunities but in this, era Sleepy, tampa which has always
been able to get the roster right but Until brady
could never get the quarterback, right looked around and, said,
well McVeagh liked. Him he didn't get to a playoff In,
cleveland and they put their arms around. Him and And
tampa's a very sleepy. Brand like we all know the
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great brands in THE, nfl like The niners and The
eagles and The ravens and They're. Steelers and then we
all know the bad. Brands they can't get out of
their own, way you, know The jets and The panthers
At cleveland And chicago a. Lot tampa is one of
those that's much closer to the top than the. Bottom
people tend to think they're in the. Middle but since
two thousand and, two The buccaneers have more playoff wins Than,
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buffalo The, vikings a well run, team The, broncos by the,
way they have More Super bowl wins in that time
than The, niners and The Cowboy is and, oh by the,
way Only New england And kansas city the last twenty
three years in THE nfl have more Super. Bowls they're
on a long list of two or a short. List
So tampa's always been well. Run they just can't get
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the quarterback. Right and they've got quiet, owners a GREAT,
Gm Mike, Evans Chris. Godwin now they've got another young star.
Receiver it's never been a personnel issue In. Tampa they've
HAD i covered them years. Ago they've always had. Players
BUT i Think tampa is one of those sneaky good.
Businesses BUT i Think Baker mayfield And Sam darnold deserves,
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this And Gino, smith they would not have been able
to get these massive contracts and get a third or
a fourth. Team people gave up on. You people just
gave up on. You here, is by the, Way Baker
mayfield with The Kelsey brothers this summer talking about the
fit In.
Speaker 9 (17:55):
Tampa this isn't thet on the other Team. French but
like that when you step in and YOUR gm and
your head coach, say, hey just be. You After i've
been told at every stop and EVERYWHERE i, go, hey
you need to tone it down a little. Bit you
need to be a franchise. Quarterback it's just not WHO i,
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Am LIKE i where are my emotions on my? Sleeves
we've hung, out you guys know. Me i'm gonna, Talk
i'm gonna do. Whatever but when it's time to turn
the lights on and go do, Something i'm gonna do.
It so WHEN i stepped into the, building they all
told me to just be. Myself and so it's been
not to, say like, comfortable but it's felt like home
since the.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Beginning, yeah and it.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Does it looks like, home and it feels like. Home
and THE nfl now is a very transactional. League and
it's been great For Baker mayfield because you go look
at those first five.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Seasons he didn't suddenly get more.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Talented he got bad, fits weird, cities bitter media five.
Seasons then in the, seventies nobody is rolling the dice
and say you're our.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Guy he feels like a perfect fit In.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Tampa AND i DO i believe you, KNOW i always
hear about you, know young people are. Struggling young people
are struggling with their mental. Health AND i do think
some people have old school. Mentality they want to stay
in their. Hometown and society has gotten incredibly transactional and
fast and. Fluid in my, industry there's a change every six.
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Months some people just aren't built for. It they were
born too. Late baker got it. RIGHT i, mean this
is a great, story but it wasn't a story that
feels that. Possible even like fifteen years. Ago the league's
gotten incredibly. Transactional young gms are willing to trade. Anybody
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jmck of The.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
News, no, no.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
No.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
This is The Herdline. News you.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Know the other, Thing jaymack you talked about this yesterday
is when you look at the great quarterbacks in this,
league very, rarely they were all on the. MARKET i
Mean baker was on the market After cleveland And Josh
allen did not go number, one Or mahomes Or Jordan
love Or Aaron. RODGERS i, mean how many teams could
have Had Dan, marino like the Idea Peyton manning goes
(20:07):
one or A John. Elway when you look at the
best quarterbacks in the, league They Ohio state.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Had Joe, burrow then he went and won A natty AT.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Lsu generally they're available to all the bad. Teams baker
was available to the league and four or five teams
that could have had a shot at, him are still
bad at. Quarterback and when think About, Brady brady came
out Of New.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
England as a.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Goat two teams aggressively went after, Him tampa and The,
chargers and for the next three years he was still
a top three quarterback in the. League SO i don't
feel sorry for teams in THE nfl that. Struggle baker
was there for. Everybody Sam darnold was there for The.
Raiders he'll flourish In. Seattle.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
Now, yeah by the, way Hearing baker with The kelsey, Brothers,
colin it makes you, Wonder geez Shaduor.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Sanders The ravens wanted.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
You the Multiple ravens wanted to draft, you a good.
Organization you said, NO i want to go to The
browns BECAUSE i.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
Have a chance to.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
Start baker basically just unloaded on The browns to The Kelsey.
BROTHERS i, mean what a. Disaster, anyways let's move on
to The Chicago, Bears. Colin, listen they're zero and, Two,
Okay caleb has not looked great off the scripted plays
and the.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
Media they're starting to come out with their.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
Knives The Chicago Sun times as an article placing the
blame on wait for, IT, Gm Ryan, poles Not, caleb
not On Ben. Johnson the article basically, Says Ryan pole's
roster construction has been. Awful, Meanwhile detroit's crushing the, Draft
minnesota's finding guys in free, agency and colin our staff put.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
Together you Know Ryan pole's drafts over the last few.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
Years and unfortunately for.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
Him he has a Zero pro bowlers in that.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Time, Now Roma Don jay looks pretty.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
Good he, does BUT i would.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
Agree and zero all pros in that time since he's been.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
Drafting it's not. Great and all of a sudden people are, like,
oh they've got a terrible. Roster GM's.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Fault let me ask a couple of questions. Here number,
one do you Think Ben johnson is already this upset
that his camp is maybe starting to be, like, hey
it's not my, fault it's Not.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
Caleb take a deep.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
Breath look at the GM's track. Record do you think
this is a deflection of the blame game.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
Or is it too early?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Now SO i, think.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
You, know years, ago somebody told Me texas, Football Texas longhorn.
Football they said it out from the, outside that looks
like the best job in college. Football but it's very.
Political Mac brown was very good at dealing with that political,
stuff but That texas football has had a lot of failed.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Coaches, yeah it's. Hard it's a hard.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Job The Chicago bears is a very political. Organization you've
got a lot of McCaskey. Kids you're trying to curry
favor with the. Kids you're trying to balance. That it's
a proud football city where a lot of people have.
Opinions they've been trying to move the. Stadium now it's
going to go To Arlington. Heights not everybody's happy with.
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That Ryan poles got an. EXTENSION i didn't get. IT
a lot of people THAT i trust in the league
didn't really get. It SO i just think, it's you,
know one of the advantages The packers, have WHICH i
always thought was a disadvantage and now is an. Advantage
they don't have an, owner you, know The packers just
don't have to answer to an impulsive owner or the
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crazy kids in the.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Family SO i.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Think this, JOB i think people People Ben jonson knew
there were some politics with this. JOB i think there's
probably more than he. Guessed it's a heavier lift than he.
Thought SO i JUST i think this job is a.
LOT i think The jets job is a, hard hard.
JOB i think that you, Know New york And chicago
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make hard jobs.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
Harder it's what's really tough is the draft is in exact,
science and.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
We have on the screen The bears first and second.
Speaker 7 (23:49):
Round Pick center. Polls none of them have totally. HATE
i agree on A. Donezi but the problem, is for,
Instance Darnell, right remember him going, tenth it was it
felt like a.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
Reach do you know who went twelfth of The Detroit.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
Lions you not have to face him twice a, year
and he's absolutely crushing.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
It and you look in that.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Draft Christian, gonzalez who's hurt a, lot is a potential
stud with The.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Patriots so, Listen i'm not going to kill the guy
for the.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
Draft but you'd like to see some hits, Here, colin
and you're not really seeing. THEM i would Agree Roma
dunz looks like a bit of a potential.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Star there are picks he's made THAT i didn't. Like Belis,
jones third round, receiver did not like that. PICK i
didn't have a. PROBLEM i wasn't a Huge Luther burden.
Fan Colston, LOVELAND i think is a good. PICK i
Think romadnze is. Excellent you, KNOW i backed the Way william's.
Pick some of these guys are just young and haven't
worked into the. System can we start Targeting Colston? Loveland,
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LIKE i, MEAN i don't bring my awesome fantasy, team.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
But they're not getting the ball To? Loveland, like why
would you draft in that?
Speaker 7 (24:47):
HIGH i just some weirdness is going. On but you
know how this, Works. Colin once things start to fail
in any, business the finger pointing begins that everybody's looking
out for.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Themselves they want.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
To specially especially with The bears again a very political.
Speaker 7 (25:02):
Job, Yeah poles clearly needs to watch his. Back next, Up, Colin,
hey we got a birthday to. Celebrate Patrick mahomes thirty
years old. Today some people think he's a. GOAT i
think it's a little. Premature he could end up, there he's.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Certainly, yeah some people think.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
It's.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
Early it's a little early for, that but, listen he's
super accomplished Three Super bowl rings, already.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
By the, way and he played the goat in The
Super bowl and got cashed.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
And he got.
Speaker 7 (25:29):
Smoked brady has beaten him. Twice remember When brady went
Into arrowhead with that overtime drive before they change the. Rules,
anyways obviously with Colleague Tom brady the.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
Goat here's a chart.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
Comparing the two before turning thirty And Patrick mahomes extremely.
Accomplished you know when you get Handed Andy reid not
a bad start to your career before. Thirty But brady's
strength is his. Longevity just why Like lebron is the
goat because he's still putting up in doitible.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Numbers brady did this into HIS leti and let's.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Be fair To.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Brady brady entered this. League it was not a passing.
League it was a passing. League tom's last five to
six years in the. League it's been a passing league
for a. Decade mahomes entered right in the BIG i,
MEAN i would say that it had been established as
a passing. League And Andy reid is the great passing head.
Coach so some of these WHAT i care. About the
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only THING i really care about is playoff wins And super,
Bowls so that's WHAT i care. About brady faced him
in AN afc championship And arrowhead and beat, Him And
brady faced him in A Super bowl and blew him.
Out So tom is the goat and it's not particularly
close at this.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
POINT i.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
Agree, Hey by the, Way i'll just say, THIS i.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
Don't Remember Tom brady missing the playoffs in his, prime do.
You i'll have to double, say BUT i don't remember
other than the year he got injured, Obviously, Colin i'm
just telling you there is some pressure quietly On mahomes this.
Year hey, man ALL i keep, hearing is it everybody?
ELSE i don't want to hear. This we Need Xavier
Worthy and she writes.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Back that's the.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
Answer i'm just saying. It mahomes missus the playoffs this.
Year we need to put a this goat nonsense on the. Shelf,
okay he could get, there but he ain't there. Yet
final Story colin Is Dabo sweeney And clemson one and
two on the, season fell out of the top twenty
five after lost To Georgia. Tech dabo is really fired
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up defending his.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Program if we stink because we haven't played for the
national championship Since january of twenty WELL i guess we, stink.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
Or we haven't won it Since january of.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Nineteen we haven't won the national.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Championship, well THEN i guess we, Stink but why we
held to a different standard from all these other teams
out there who ain't ever won. Nothing we're not, perfect
and we may suck this. Year we, may we, may
we may lay a freaking egg and go six and.
Six BUT i don't think so they want me. Gone
they they tired of, winning they can send me on the,
way because that's all we've done.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Win so if they tired of, winning we've.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Had we've won this league eight.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
Out the last ten. Years is that not?
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Good i'm just, asking you.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
Know, really you know.
Speaker 9 (28:09):
WHAT i like?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
That BUT i think there's a Little Mike skrzewski. Here
So Mike krzyzewski was a great coach and Had natty's
and then he here came the one.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
And done and he, SAID i don't want to do.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
One, no that's.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Good and Then skrzyzewski, went, Whow i'm getting beat by
one and done. Teams and So shryzewski put his arms
around one and done and went on to win to Learn.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Natty So dabbo has.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Championships here comes the nil and the portal And dabbo is,
Like i'm not gonna play. That and now he's getting
beat by teams who are heavily invested in THE nil and.
Portal and the truth is he's gone the other. Way
AND i think it has A skrzewsky feel where at
some Point Mike krzyzewski, went, listen the world has, changed
the culture has. Changed the great athletes are not standing
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college two in three.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Years they're.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
NOT i, mean Even stanford tells its smartest students, leave
go pursue YOUR.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Id you can come.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Back if you're a great basketball, player you're a, prodigy
leave college. Early you do it in academics all the.
Time SO i think he needs to take a step
back and look At Mike krychevski and. Go mike didn't
get it right, initially But mike got it right. Eventually
dabbo isn't doing it right ON. Nil you don't have
to have twenty guys a, year BUT i think there's
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a number somewhere between like eight and twelve Where i'm,
sorry but THE nil isn't just for finding, Stars. JASON
a lot of times it's, like, like we need depth at.
Linebacker college football seasons, now if you end up in the, Playoffs.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Jason are like fifteen, Games, yeah you just. Lose it's
not eleven games.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Anymore you should go to the nil for a number three,
receiver a number two tight, end like a number two. Guard,
like it's not just getting, stars it's adding depth because
we all know who the. Recruiting half the guys never pan.
Out SO i think And il you think it's all
money and it's getting. Stars a lot of, times it's
just getting. Depth it's just getting another corner because you're
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gonna lose three over the course of a fifteen game
season if you're in the.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
Playoff, yeah it's, listen this happens across every, business, Right,
hey you know, what, more a lot of people are watching.
YouTube you need a YouTube. Page, hey you know, what
a lot of the eyeballs are on. TikTok get on.
TikTok you gotta adapt and. CHANGE i don't Feel dabo's done.
That And, Colin i'm gonna be, honest, LIKE i don't
want to HEAR i win THE acc every.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
Year wook the damn? Do you're in sec, Country.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
Bros that's not the standard. Anymore when you win national,
championships you got a certain standard to keep going.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
To and he's just not nobody.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Out she's a good. Coach, yeah but nothing kills a great.
Coach Bobby knight's a great example of. Rigidity. YEAH i,
mean by the, Way Mike shayzchewski looked up and, went, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
Carolina is doing one and. Done we gotta do it.
Too by the, way just colin real. Quick when they
have like six players drafted in the first and second,
round people are going to look at, me, like why
was It clemson? Better they had all this talent because
they're gonna have a lot of guys drafts a high,
yes and all of a sudden it's, like Oh clemson's
stunk or they were in nine, wins that's.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
It, well you, know the other thing about THE Nil
georgia doesn't feel as good today is they did PRE
nil transfer portal. Line it's not that they've lost their,
stars they've lost their. Depth you, know you play AN sec, schedule.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
You lose four.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Starters it used to Be georgia's backups were five star
kids ready to, play but they get poached in THE.
Nil so Even Ohio state last, year you lose a left,
tackle you.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Don't have a guy.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Available so what's happened to the big? Dogs the margins
are shrinking because your backups get. Poked louisville comes, In
purdue comes, In indiana comes in and, says you don't
have to play backup to.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Us you're our starting left.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Tackle you're a backup right tackle At. Bama and so
what's happened here is that it's not That clemson doesn't
have great, players but do they have the depth of
players Of Ohio. State and that's where you, Know Ohio
state can go Buy kalob deb but not every guy
you buy Is Caleb. Downs some are number two receivers
and number three. CORNERS J mack with the, News.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Well that's the, news and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
NEWS i always pushed back a little On Jalen HURTS J.
Mack you, KNOW J mack likes the shorter. Guys i'm
not going to get into, why but he loves the shorter.
Guys but there is AN nfl exec that kind of
summed it up On Jalen hurts and we'll talk about.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
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Speaker 1 (32:35):
App it's fair to say that Arch manning will not
be coming out of college football this, year that he
will come back for another year To. Texas it's been a,
disaster And i've got my theories on Why danny. Caneal
yesterday or the day, BEFORE i talked about is it?
Mental is it kind of A Ben simmons, thing A
Markel foltz, thing where it's above the. Shoulders he's, struggling
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he's lost. CONFIDENCE i don't. Know i've never played quarterback
at the college, level SO i don't necessarily.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Disagree but this season's been.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Bad he is literally last in THE sec among all
quarterbacks in completion percentage and near the bottom in everything.
Else of fourteen quarterbacks with three plus, starts he's twelveth
or worse in virtually.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Everything it doesn't look.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Good the production's bad, now they're missing some receivers and,
bags and THE o line is. Young the defense is much.
Better it just doesn't look right. Now to support, him
it should be noted that Bow nick spent five years in,
college so Did Jaden daniels And Justin herbert spent, four
so like time on task in college football matters for
quarterbacks in THE. Nfl the other thing is if your
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last name Is, manning you don't have a lot of.
Turbulence Jalen hurts had a, transfer And baker had a,
transfer And Joe burrow had a, transfer and Cam ward
had a, transfer and that turbulence is incredibly valuable for,
you Right it's incredibly. Valuable And alabama quarterbacks And texas
quarterbacks AND usc quarterbacks his story don't have as much.
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Turbulence they play with better. Players SO i THINK i
was thinking about this this. Morning take quarterbacks like thirty
one years or. Younger don't Take stafford Or Aaron. Rodgers
let's talk about this generation of. Quarterbacks let's look at
the quarterback mountain in THE. Nfl so the ten best
quarterbacks and we can argue who it. Is but right,
now so far this, season here are the ten best.
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Quarterbacks now think about. This Patrick mahomes had a losing
record in.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
College that's.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Turbulence Josh allen small, School wyoming awful his first year
in the. Pros Joe burrow had to, transfer multiple. Injuries
Lamar jackson passed over by, everybody including The ravens in
the first. Round they got him with their second, pick
and many believed he was a receiver and not a.
Quarterback Justin herbert probably the best. Route i'll get to
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him in a second. Though Dak, prescott fourth, rounder non traditional,
power couple of injuries here he is. Today Quarterback Baker
mayfield multiple, teams had to transfer in. College Jared goff
went to a non traditional football, power got crushed first.
Year Jared fisher gets to A Super, bowl eventually gets
traded to Losing. Detroit Jalen hurt second, rounder had to
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Transfer bama bench to be in a national championship. Game
And Jordan love non traditional Power Utah state lost a
lot of, games had to sit for three. Years so
of all the top ten, quarterbacks the young quarterbacks this generation's,
Quarterbacks herbert's had it the. Easiest and think about, this
he was a three star, player not a five. Star
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he had three different coaches At oregon And harbaughs is
third coach in the, pros so it took him his
fifth coach to get a legendary. Coach and that's the easiest.
Route Justin herbert's rout's been, like, Oh, Oregon, well, Yeah
oregon was, good but they couldn't get the coach right
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during his stay there because he started like five or
six games into HIS i think freshman, year and he
goes to The chargers and two coaches don't. Work now
he's put up great numbers At oregon and great he's
got the easiest. Route so my take is on Arch,
manning he's never had. Turbulence he grew up with, money
he grew up with. Fame he's a great looking. Kid
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he goes To, texas he was on a dominant high school.
Team this turbulence is. Important it's not a coincidence that
all these guys had to overcome, stuff all of. Them
Here's sark on arches struggles and why they.
Speaker 10 (36:41):
HELP i think you hit the nail on the. HEAD
i think some of this is really. Good you, know
here's a guy who's had an awesome. Life you, know
he's you, know the way he's grown, up where he,
played the school he went, to the people he's been surrounded.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
By BUT i think you.
Speaker 10 (36:57):
Learn a lot about yourself through adversity and overcoming adversity
and getting on the other side of. Adversity and so
to have some of this adversity that he has right
now and when he gets on the other side of,
IT i think all of this is going to serve
not only well for, him but well for us as a.
Speaker 6 (37:12):
Team and so.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Love the challenge for, him love the challenge for.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Us, yeah and it's just you, KNOW i read a
story it must have been like ten or fifteen years,
ago and somebody was writing ABOUT ufc fighters and how
most of them grew up with, brothers. Roughhousing they grew
up physical, kids sometimes older brothers picking on. Him and it's, like,
yeah if you're going to be that tough when you're twenty,
eight at eighteen and, eight you probably have to defend
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yourself at some. Point AND i look At Arch manning
and if it was just, hey the best high schooler
goes to the best college goes to THE. Nfl that's
The Peyton manning, story that's The Matt stafford, story and
he ended up With.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Detroit it almost never works that. Way it's.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Unbelievable at one point in THE nfl there were three
quarterbacks starting FROM Nc state and none FROM usc Or.
ALABAMA i mean in most of These alabama, quarterbacks it's
not that they're not good, kids but you, Know Mac
jones to a you, know when you lead every football.
Game this has been my knock ON jj. McCarthy he
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didn't have to.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Throw they.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Won he had the best, coach he had the best offensive,
line he had the best. Defense outside Of Ohio, state
he always had better. Players SO i, MEAN i, mean
think about how Great Ohio state football. IS i would
say it's the second best college program of my.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Life C.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
J stroud is their only GREAT nfl quarterback and right
now he's. Reeling and last year they couldn't keep a receiver.
Healthy the left tackle had an off. Year this year
he may have the worst offensive line in. Football now
he got to the. PLAYOFFS i think he's. Excellent but C. J,
stroud he is living a real. LIFE i MEAN i
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always say. THAT i remember When Matt liner played AT,
usc they were so dominant and The pac ten was
really bad at that. TIME i think one year he
got sacked like eleven. Times he got popped in the
mouth once At Arizona state and he had a bloody.
Lip But i'm, like, Now i've never seen that With Matt,
Lioner like it was just he lived this. Life he
sat in the, pocket he threw the great players five, Stars, like,
man that's not preparing you for THE.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
NFL.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Cj stroud the last year and a, half can't keep
a receiver, healthy doesn't have a run. Game it's easier
for The texans now to block a punt than pick
up two yards near the goal. Line they can't run the.
Football SO i mean we have right, now we have
starting quarterbacks in THE. Nfl think about this From Utah, State, Wyoming,
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delaware cow one FROM usc and by the, way he's
bounced all over the. League Sam, darnold he bounced all
over the. League SO i think this. STUFF i think
this stuff For Arch, MANNING i think it's All Caleb,
williams Well OKLAHOMA.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Usc half of. Them this thinks of the, other you know.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Whatever Caleb, WILLIAMS i, guess by the, way off to
a rocky.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Start So Jay, MAC i.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Guess my point is when you look at quarterback, mountain
there are no easy. Paths there are no drafted number
one went to a good, team like Even Patrick mahomes
sat for a. YEAR i REMEMBER i Watched Patrick mahomes
twice in. COLLEGE i thought he was way too. Wild i'm,
like this conference is. Crazy he was winning fifty four
to forty.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Five this is. Nonsense he's three real league.
Speaker 6 (40:26):
Football that's what it. Was, yeah it's like sixteen to fifty.
Four but quick.
Speaker 7 (40:30):
Note SO i happen to See Joel klatt downstairs this.
Morning we were, chatting AND i was, like you, Know
colin's been pumping up this quarterback class for the next year's.
Draft a lot Arch, Manning, notusmier all these young. Guys, Hey,
joel have you noticed they've largely stunk up the joint
so far this? Season he's, like, well you could be honest.
Something we're done talking Arch manning in twenty twenty. Six THAT'S,
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Ok BUT i am. Curious Club nick has been. Dreadful,
yes he can't read a defense to save his, life Nuss.
Meyer other than that first game is, Gold, COLIN i
think we need to readjust for the twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
DRAFT i think you're onto. Something, uh and there's a
kid out. West oh, gosh here we, go Usc Jaden.
Speaker 6 (41:12):
MAH i have a good power two, now
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So J Mack.
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I was thinking about this driving in today, not driving,
but taking a train in.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I was thinking about this.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
It's easy when you're outside of a building to say
be patient.
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Like it's very easy to say.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
If you're the Ohio State Buck guys and Ryan Daego's
on a two game losing street, be patient unless you're
in the building in Columbus. You can be patient at
Miami of Ohio.
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You can't be patient at Ohio State.
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Right.
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You have their different strains and different pressures, and I
want to.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Talk about that with JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Dave Roberts wins a World Series, literally has a bad
first half, fans won him out, and owners listen to fans,
and so do GMS. So I hear this about JJ McCarthy,
the Vikings young quarterback who in seven of eight quarters
has been awful, and I'm hearing this, Hey, you've got
to be patient. Not really, I hear that about CEOs.
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Be patient, see the vision, long term growth. They have
quarterly earnings calls with investors and shareholders. Yeah, speed her up, Champ,
or we'll find the new CEO. This Vikings team number
one could lose their great defensive coordinator by the end
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of the season. Brian Flores do a head coaching job.
Number two. They're amazing. Left tackle Christian Darrissel is twenty six,
but he's already had one major surgery and several other injuries.
Left tackles are hard to find, especially as good as him,
and the roster's too good. So it's going to get
really expensive within the next year to two years. I mean,
this team in the last couple of years has won
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thirteen and fourteen games two out of the last three years.
I know Patience is a virtue. I understand that, but
you ever going to an NFL practice, they don't have
virtue drills ready set virtue and Green Bay, your primary
rival is great right now, and because of the youngest roster,
they're only getting better. So let's be patient for three
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years and go oh and six against your rival. I
don't buy it, this whole thing about people that preach patients.
Patience is for parenting or training, potty training a puppy,
or gardening. But the packers can be patient. They don't
have an owner the Viking and owners listen. They listen
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to people on the street and talk radio, and they
read columns, and they're gms under pressure. This isn't baseball
where if you're at a hitting slump, I will just
send you down to the minors. This isn't the NBA
where yes, he's struggling, but he's only nineteen years old.
I mean he's only a year out of high school.
JJ McCarthy's last five years of coaching, Jim Harbaugh for
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three years and Kevin O'Connell now for two. That is
world class coaching. Be good Sunday, Okay, Like it's different too.
Jared Goff. When he got to Detroit, he'd been to
a Super Bowl with the Rams and he was a
number one pick and he was very good. Okay, I'm
gonna wait a couple of years for Jared Goff because
he's proven he's good. And if you sold your first
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startup for a billion dollars, I'm gonna give you some
time with your second startup. But like Bryce Young at Carolina,
it's three years, you're not winning games. I gotta move
on and quarterbacks in twenty two five, like JJ McCarthy,
have private coaching, seven on seven summer camps. I mean
it's just they have more information at their fingertips. I
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mean they should be better. They have far more snaps
early than they ever did. So again, I will be
patient potty training a puppy, but JJ McCarthy does not
get to pee on the carpet. He's got to be
good in the next seven eight weeks. I gotta see something.
And if you look at seven of his eight quarters,
they've been terrible. And again, he was with Harball for years.
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Kevin o'conn there's an argument no coach in the history
of football is better than Jim Harball.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
And I mean that, and.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I'll talk about that in a second. And then Kevin O'Connell,
he's called the tall Sean McVay. Five years of that coaching.
I'm not waiting. I'm not waiting any longer. So I
just don't I don't buy it. I think gardening and parenting.
But all these teams are owned by billionaires, and they
listen to fans and GMS are on the clock. You
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want you want me to be? I mean Caleb Williams
has Ben Johnson and Lincoln Riley the last four years.
I got to see something fast. Speaking of Jim Harbaugh,
I was thinking about this. So in basketball, they have
the Basketball Hall of Fame. You could be a Harlem
globetrotter and make a basketball Hall of Fame. Football is different.
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There's the Pro football Hall of Fame and then there's
the college football Hall of Fame. But I was thinking
this morning that if you combined it like basketball and
it was just there was a football Hall of Fame,
you could count college and pro. I would make an
argument today the greatest coach in the history of football
is not Bill Belichick or Bill Walsh or Vince Lombardi.
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It's Jim Harball the greatest coach ever. Think about this.
He's never failed. He's five for five at San Diego, Stanford,
San Francisco, forty nine Ers, Michigan and the Chargers. He's
never failed, saving an urban unbelievable college legends, struggled in
the NFL. He's also not tied to a single player.
What's Belichick without Brady? Not great? The only person that
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kind of compares to him is Jimmy Johnson, my friend
and your friend.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Jimmy Johnson.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Great in college, great in the pros. But even Jimmy
took over a Hurricanes program that had won a Natty
and they.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Won after he left.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
And then he took over the Dolphins, and the previous
two years they were like ten and six and nine
and seven before he got there, and then he left,
and then Dave launched that took over, and Dave got
him to the playoffs with Harball. He's taken over five messes.
They're all very good by year two, some by year one.
And when he leaves, the Niners were unwatchable for four years.
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After he left. He went from Super Bowl too. Is
this the worst team in the league? I mean, it's
unbelievad he left Stanford a couple of years with Davis Shaw.
Now Stanford not good, not close for several years. So
and I think a lot of it. I mean, it's
like hardball takes stuff and one one day it's bar
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Rescue and the next day it's Michelin Star. And it's
amazing to watch Justin Herbert. We all knew Justin Herbert
was good. It wasn't a matter of that. But if
you look at Justin Herbert's last three seasons with Brandon Staley,
he'd become an average quarterback ninety three passer rating. If
you look at the last two seasons twenty games, nineteen
games with Jim Harbaugh, he's in a running for the
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best quarterback in the league. And now Jim was a quarterback,
so he's very good at that. But the defense was last.
It's now first college and pro. Now it's harder in college.
Stanford and Michigan took some years, although they got very
good very quickly. But like at Stanford, it's hard to
get players in and they were the worst program in
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college football when he took it over very quickly. He
went to USC and Pete Carroll is a forty one
point underdog and won in the Coliseum without many players.
Pete Carroll even recruited, and I really think it's very rare.
He takes over messes, they're good immediately, and when he leaves,
they're awful. And my question is why, I mean, as
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great as Jimmy Johnson is. He left the Cowboys, they
won a Super Bowl. He left the Hurricanes they wanted Nanny.
He left the Dolphins, they made the playoffs. And the
only thing I could wrap my brain around is that
when Jimmy Johnson left, you lost a great coach. When
Jim Harbaugh leaves, you lose the soul of the franchise.
He is so authentic, such a unicorn, such a unique personality.
(08:45):
Eric Mangini years ago was in the offices of the
San Francisco forty nine ers, and he's been around Belichick
and great coaches, and I asked him about Harbaugh and
he said, yeah, I've never been around a coach like
Jim Harbaugh. And he's been around a lot of great coaches.
He goes there's nobody like hardball. It's not about the meetings,
it's the personality, the relentlessness, the obsession with football.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
He is obsessed with football.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
He leaves an organization, you don't lose a good coach,
you lose your personality. And I had Julian Edelman yesterday,
I said, how do you change a culture everywhere you
go that quickly?
Speaker 5 (09:25):
You can get fundamentals down, not turn the ball over,
not beat yourself with pre snap penalties. That's how you
change a culture right away, not with all the talking,
not with this. It's with the actions that they they're
showing that they're doing so they've looked very good. And
I think when a coach comes in and establishes that
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if he wants to be a tough football team, tough
football teams don't beat themselves.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
And Herbert's interceptions, Herbert's turnovers under Staley go up under Harball,
they mostly disappear. So I mean, I think if you
counted all coaches, usually there's always been this sense that
a college football coach has a certain personality. You know,
he's kind of glibbed, he's got to talk to the donors,
he's got to be a great recruiter. But the NFL guys,
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they're kind of academic, they're miserable. They look all a
little overweight and a little tired under the thirteenth cup
of coffee. And there's something that Harbad does that. And
what's most remarkable. Michigan was a mess, Stanford was a mess.
The Niners were a mess. He makes them great. He
leaves there is a noticeable drop off overnight, noticeable, and
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I think, again, he's not a coach, he is a
soul of a program. And you're just I mean, it's
like when Steve Jobs left Apple. You didn't just lose
a smart guy. He was the soul of Apple. Phil
Knight briefly stepped away from Nike years and years, a
couple decades ago. Like overnight, stock plummeted, fills the vision,
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fills the soul.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Of Nike. So here we are. You know what else?
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I made sure I wanted to talk one more day
Jay Mack about a guy.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Now he's a little bit of a gunslinger, he's a
little old school. But Baker Mayfield, Oh yeah, there's a
stat And I think this speaks well of Baker Mayfield.
The two quarterbacks in the league that have had the
most interception worthy throws are Bonnicks and Baker Mayfield. And
I was thinking as I was writing this morning, I
was writing notes for the Harbaugh thing rant, and I thought,
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you know what makes Baker great is that in Cleveland
his personality was seen as flammable. He's kind of the
same guy in Tampa. But it's not a flammable franchise.
But the fact that he leads the NFL right now
in interception worthy throws, it speaks to who he is.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
He is a gun slinger. He is a lot of
farv and.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I think that's incredibly appealing to a lot of football fans.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
Totally agree.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
And he actually ties into your earlier point about JJ
McCarthy because just imagine if the Cleveland Browns has had
had some patience with Baker Mayfield, they wouldn't be cycling
through a litany of quarterbacks every year looking for a guy.
I think that's a great point. Baker has that gunslinger.
It didn't work in Cleveland, but it necessarily wasn't Baker's fault,
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right because Baker is an excellent quarterback right now. Me
he was one of the leaders in yards and touchdowns
last year.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I also think Tampa is a different feel. I think
Baker's matured. I think I think the Browns are just
a flammable organization. Stefanski's brought the temperature down considerably. But
even with Stefanski, they guaranteed Deshan Watson a contract, they
drafted to her Sanders and nobody thinks Stefansky Andrew Berry
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wanted him. So that's just who they are. And when
you combine Baker's kind of raw personality with that culture,
it just didn't feel right.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Now.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
He's kind of the same guy. I'm matured a little,
but it feels perfect in Tampa because it's not a
flammable organization.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
It's kind of it's almost a sleepy organization.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (13:07):
I think if you're doing top ten quarterbacks, you cannot
leave Baker out of the top ten, all.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Right, right now, He's absolutely in it.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
Hey, I mean in not just two games last season,
he was incredible. This season before that, he was very,
very good. He is playing out of his mind.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
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Speaker 1 (14:01):
I have always felt Joel Klatt top of Next Hour,
that you know certain people had been born too early
or too late. You know, Magic Johnson would have been
a good basketball player, but he was so physically big
for the point guard position six'. Eight now you've got
a lot of big. Guards he also was not a great.
Shooter now THE nba is about. SHOOTING i, Mean Steph
(14:24):
curry would have worked much better now than later because
he took shots that you weren't allowed to take in the, seventies, eighties.
NINETIES i don't care how good you were at shooting.
Them that the math hadn't been figured out in THE,
nba And Steph curry would have been shooting him and
they would have, said, well you're hitting thirty eight percent of,
them And steph would have, said.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah but if you do threes and.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Twos it took the analytics community to convince, people and
it still The lakers forever would not embrace the three point.
Shot So Steph curry born in the perfect, era a small,
guy not, physical not a, great but his shot which
has been totally embraced because the sport, changed like the sport,
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Changed AND, i you, KNOW i just think the reality
Is Baker mayfield has had a great couple of years In.
Tampa but it used to Be staubach And aikman And
Harry bradshaw And Dan. Fout you got drafted by a
team and you crossed your, fingers they would eventually get
you the right. Coach Eventually Dan fouts Gets Don coriel,
(15:32):
right and Eventually elway Gets. Shanahan but you kind of
just stayed with your. Team but young, gms now gms are.
Younger everybody. TRADES i, Mean Micah parsons just got traded
to a great team in the same, Conference Green bay From.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Dallas and so if you.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Look At baker's first five years in THE, nfl if
he'd have been born in nineteen, fifty nineteen, fifty it
would have been. Done he was under five, hundred his
past rating was mid. Eighties he completed sixty one percent
of his. Throws he had one hundred touchdown, passes sixty five.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Picks he would have never been given other.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Opportunities but in this, era Sleepy, tampa which has always
been able to get the roster right but Until brady
could never get the quarterback, right looked around and, said,
well McVeagh liked. Him he didn't get to a playoff In,
cleveland and they put their arms around. Him and And
tampa's a very sleepy. Brand like we all know the
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great brands in THE, nfl like The niners and The
eagles and The ravens and They're. Steelers and then we
all know the bad. Brands they can't get out of
their own, way you, know The jets and The panthers
At cleveland And chicago a. Lot tampa is one of
those that's much closer to the top than the. Bottom
people tend to think they're in the. Middle but since
two thousand and, two The buccaneers have more playoff wins Than,
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buffalo The, vikings a well run, team The, broncos by the,
way they have More Super bowl wins in that time
than The, niners and The Cowboy is and, oh by the,
way Only New england And kansas city the last twenty
three years in THE nfl have more Super. Bowls they're
on a long list of two or a short. List
So tampa's always been well. Run they just can't get
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the quarterback. Right and they've got quiet, owners a GREAT,
Gm Mike, Evans Chris. Godwin now they've got another young star.
Receiver it's never been a personnel issue In. Tampa they've
HAD i covered them years. Ago they've always had. Players
BUT i Think tampa is one of those sneaky good.
Businesses BUT i Think Baker mayfield And Sam darnold deserves,
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this And Gino, smith they would not have been able
to get these massive contracts and get a third or
a fourth. Team people gave up on. You people just
gave up on. You here, is by the, Way Baker
mayfield with The Kelsey brothers this summer talking about the
fit In.
Speaker 9 (17:55):
Tampa this isn't thet on the other Team. French but
like that when you step in and YOUR gm and
your head coach, say, hey just be. You After i've
been told at every stop and EVERYWHERE i, go, hey
you need to tone it down a little. Bit you
need to be a franchise. Quarterback it's just not WHO i,
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Am LIKE i where are my emotions on my? Sleeves
we've hung, out you guys know. Me i'm gonna, Talk
i'm gonna do. Whatever but when it's time to turn
the lights on and go do, Something i'm gonna do.
It so WHEN i stepped into the, building they all
told me to just be. Myself and so it's been
not to, say like, comfortable but it's felt like home
since the.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Beginning, yeah and it.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Does it looks like, home and it feels like. Home
and THE nfl now is a very transactional. League and
it's been great For Baker mayfield because you go look
at those first five.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Seasons he didn't suddenly get more.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Talented he got bad, fits weird, cities bitter media five.
Seasons then in the, seventies nobody is rolling the dice
and say you're our.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Guy he feels like a perfect fit In.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Tampa AND i DO i believe you, KNOW i always
hear about you, know young people are. Struggling young people
are struggling with their mental. Health AND i do think
some people have old school. Mentality they want to stay
in their. Hometown and society has gotten incredibly transactional and
fast and. Fluid in my, industry there's a change every six.
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Months some people just aren't built for. It they were
born too. Late baker got it. RIGHT i, mean this
is a great, story but it wasn't a story that
feels that. Possible even like fifteen years. Ago the league's
gotten incredibly. Transactional young gms are willing to trade. Anybody
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jmck of The.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
News, no, no.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
No.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
This is The Herdline. News you.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Know the other, Thing jaymack you talked about this yesterday
is when you look at the great quarterbacks in this,
league very, rarely they were all on the. MARKET i
Mean baker was on the market After cleveland And Josh
allen did not go number, one Or mahomes Or Jordan
love Or Aaron. RODGERS i, mean how many teams could
have Had Dan, marino like the Idea Peyton manning goes
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one or A John. Elway when you look at the
best quarterbacks in the, league They Ohio state.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Had Joe, burrow then he went and won A natty AT.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Lsu generally they're available to all the bad. Teams baker
was available to the league and four or five teams
that could have had a shot at, him are still
bad at. Quarterback and when think About, Brady brady came
out Of New.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
England as a.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Goat two teams aggressively went after, Him tampa and The,
chargers and for the next three years he was still
a top three quarterback in the. League SO i don't
feel sorry for teams in THE nfl that. Struggle baker
was there for. Everybody Sam darnold was there for The.
Raiders he'll flourish In. Seattle.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
Now, yeah by the, way Hearing baker with The kelsey, Brothers,
colin it makes you, Wonder geez Shaduor.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Sanders The ravens wanted.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
You the Multiple ravens wanted to draft, you a good.
Organization you said, NO i want to go to The
browns BECAUSE i.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
Have a chance to.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
Start baker basically just unloaded on The browns to The Kelsey.
BROTHERS i, mean what a. Disaster, anyways let's move on
to The Chicago, Bears. Colin, listen they're zero and, Two,
Okay caleb has not looked great off the scripted plays
and the.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
Media they're starting to come out with their.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
Knives The Chicago Sun times as an article placing the
blame on wait for, IT, Gm Ryan, poles Not, caleb
not On Ben. Johnson the article basically, Says Ryan pole's
roster construction has been. Awful, Meanwhile detroit's crushing the, Draft
minnesota's finding guys in free, agency and colin our staff put.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
Together you Know Ryan pole's drafts over the last few.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
Years and unfortunately for.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
Him he has a Zero pro bowlers in that.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Time, Now Roma Don jay looks pretty.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
Good he, does BUT i would.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
Agree and zero all pros in that time since he's been.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
Drafting it's not. Great and all of a sudden people are, like,
oh they've got a terrible. Roster GM's.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Fault let me ask a couple of questions. Here number,
one do you Think Ben johnson is already this upset
that his camp is maybe starting to be, like, hey
it's not my, fault it's Not.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
Caleb take a deep.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
Breath look at the GM's track. Record do you think
this is a deflection of the blame game.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
Or is it too early?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Now SO i, think.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
You, know years, ago somebody told Me texas, Football Texas longhorn.
Football they said it out from the, outside that looks
like the best job in college. Football but it's very.
Political Mac brown was very good at dealing with that political,
stuff but That texas football has had a lot of failed.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Coaches, yeah it's. Hard it's a hard.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Job The Chicago bears is a very political. Organization you've
got a lot of McCaskey. Kids you're trying to curry
favor with the. Kids you're trying to balance. That it's
a proud football city where a lot of people have.
Opinions they've been trying to move the. Stadium now it's
going to go To Arlington. Heights not everybody's happy with.
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That Ryan poles got an. EXTENSION i didn't get. IT
a lot of people THAT i trust in the league
didn't really get. It SO i just think, it's you,
know one of the advantages The packers, have WHICH i
always thought was a disadvantage and now is an. Advantage
they don't have an, owner you, know The packers just
don't have to answer to an impulsive owner or the
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crazy kids in the.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Family SO i.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Think this, JOB i think people People Ben jonson knew
there were some politics with this. JOB i think there's
probably more than he. Guessed it's a heavier lift than he.
Thought SO i JUST i think this job is a.
LOT i think The jets job is a, hard hard.
JOB i think that you, Know New york And chicago
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make hard jobs.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
Harder it's what's really tough is the draft is in exact,
science and.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
We have on the screen The bears first and second.
Speaker 7 (23:49):
Round Pick center. Polls none of them have totally. HATE
i agree on A. Donezi but the problem, is for,
Instance Darnell, right remember him going, tenth it was it
felt like a.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
Reach do you know who went twelfth of The Detroit.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
Lions you not have to face him twice a, year
and he's absolutely crushing.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
It and you look in that.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Draft Christian, gonzalez who's hurt a, lot is a potential
stud with The.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Patriots so, Listen i'm not going to kill the guy
for the.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
Draft but you'd like to see some hits, Here, colin
and you're not really seeing. THEM i would Agree Roma
dunz looks like a bit of a potential.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Star there are picks he's made THAT i didn't. Like Belis,
jones third round, receiver did not like that. PICK i
didn't have a. PROBLEM i wasn't a Huge Luther burden.
Fan Colston, LOVELAND i think is a good. PICK i
Think romadnze is. Excellent you, KNOW i backed the Way william's.
Pick some of these guys are just young and haven't
worked into the. System can we start Targeting Colston? Loveland,
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LIKE i, MEAN i don't bring my awesome fantasy, team.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
But they're not getting the ball To? Loveland, like why
would you draft in that?
Speaker 7 (24:47):
HIGH i just some weirdness is going. On but you
know how this, Works. Colin once things start to fail
in any, business the finger pointing begins that everybody's looking
out for.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Themselves they want.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
To specially especially with The bears again a very political.
Speaker 7 (25:02):
Job, Yeah poles clearly needs to watch his. Back next, Up, Colin,
hey we got a birthday to. Celebrate Patrick mahomes thirty
years old. Today some people think he's a. GOAT i
think it's a little. Premature he could end up, there he's.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Certainly, yeah some people think.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
It's.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
Early it's a little early for, that but, listen he's
super accomplished Three Super bowl rings, already.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
By the, way and he played the goat in The
Super bowl and got cashed.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
And he got.
Speaker 7 (25:29):
Smoked brady has beaten him. Twice remember When brady went
Into arrowhead with that overtime drive before they change the. Rules,
anyways obviously with Colleague Tom brady the.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
Goat here's a chart.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
Comparing the two before turning thirty And Patrick mahomes extremely.
Accomplished you know when you get Handed Andy reid not
a bad start to your career before. Thirty But brady's
strength is his. Longevity just why Like lebron is the
goat because he's still putting up in doitible.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Numbers brady did this into HIS leti and let's.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Be fair To.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Brady brady entered this. League it was not a passing.
League it was a passing. League tom's last five to
six years in the. League it's been a passing league
for a. Decade mahomes entered right in the BIG i,
MEAN i would say that it had been established as
a passing. League And Andy reid is the great passing head.
Coach so some of these WHAT i care. About the
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only THING i really care about is playoff wins And super,
Bowls so that's WHAT i care. About brady faced him
in AN afc championship And arrowhead and beat, Him And
brady faced him in A Super bowl and blew him.
Out So tom is the goat and it's not particularly
close at this.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
POINT i.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
Agree, Hey by the, Way i'll just say, THIS i.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
Don't Remember Tom brady missing the playoffs in his, prime do.
You i'll have to double, say BUT i don't remember
other than the year he got injured, Obviously, Colin i'm
just telling you there is some pressure quietly On mahomes this.
Year hey, man ALL i keep, hearing is it everybody?
ELSE i don't want to hear. This we Need Xavier
Worthy and she writes.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Back that's the.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
Answer i'm just saying. It mahomes missus the playoffs this.
Year we need to put a this goat nonsense on the. Shelf,
okay he could get, there but he ain't there. Yet
final Story colin Is Dabo sweeney And clemson one and
two on the, season fell out of the top twenty
five after lost To Georgia. Tech dabo is really fired
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up defending his.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Program if we stink because we haven't played for the
national championship Since january of twenty WELL i guess we, stink.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
Or we haven't won it Since january of.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Nineteen we haven't won the national.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Championship, well THEN i guess we, Stink but why we
held to a different standard from all these other teams
out there who ain't ever won. Nothing we're not, perfect
and we may suck this. Year we, may we, may
we may lay a freaking egg and go six and.
Six BUT i don't think so they want me. Gone
they they tired of, winning they can send me on the,
way because that's all we've done.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Win so if they tired of, winning we've.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Had we've won this league eight.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
Out the last ten. Years is that not?
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Good i'm just, asking you.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
Know, really you know.
Speaker 9 (28:09):
WHAT i like?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
That BUT i think there's a Little Mike skrzewski. Here
So Mike krzyzewski was a great coach and Had natty's
and then he here came the one.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
And done and he, SAID i don't want to do.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
One, no that's.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Good and Then skrzyzewski, went, Whow i'm getting beat by
one and done. Teams and So shryzewski put his arms
around one and done and went on to win to Learn.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Natty So dabbo has.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Championships here comes the nil and the portal And dabbo is,
Like i'm not gonna play. That and now he's getting
beat by teams who are heavily invested in THE nil and.
Portal and the truth is he's gone the other. Way
AND i think it has A skrzewsky feel where at
some Point Mike krzyzewski, went, listen the world has, changed
the culture has. Changed the great athletes are not standing
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college two in three.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Years they're.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
NOT i, mean Even stanford tells its smartest students, leave
go pursue YOUR.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Id you can come.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Back if you're a great basketball, player you're a, prodigy
leave college. Early you do it in academics all the.
Time SO i think he needs to take a step
back and look At Mike krychevski and. Go mike didn't
get it right, initially But mike got it right. Eventually
dabbo isn't doing it right ON. Nil you don't have
to have twenty guys a, year BUT i think there's
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a number somewhere between like eight and twelve Where i'm,
sorry but THE nil isn't just for finding, Stars. JASON
a lot of times it's, like, like we need depth at.
Linebacker college football seasons, now if you end up in the, Playoffs.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Jason are like fifteen, Games, yeah you just. Lose it's
not eleven games.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Anymore you should go to the nil for a number three,
receiver a number two tight, end like a number two. Guard,
like it's not just getting, stars it's adding depth because
we all know who the. Recruiting half the guys never pan.
Out SO i think And il you think it's all
money and it's getting. Stars a lot of, times it's
just getting. Depth it's just getting another corner because you're
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gonna lose three over the course of a fifteen game
season if you're in the.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
Playoff, yeah it's, listen this happens across every, business, Right,
hey you know, what, more a lot of people are watching.
YouTube you need a YouTube. Page, hey you know, what
a lot of the eyeballs are on. TikTok get on.
TikTok you gotta adapt and. CHANGE i don't Feel dabo's done.
That And, Colin i'm gonna be, honest, LIKE i don't
want to HEAR i win THE acc every.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
Year wook the damn? Do you're in sec, Country.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
Bros that's not the standard. Anymore when you win national,
championships you got a certain standard to keep going.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
To and he's just not nobody.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Out she's a good. Coach, yeah but nothing kills a great.
Coach Bobby knight's a great example of. Rigidity. YEAH i,
mean by the, Way Mike shayzchewski looked up and, went, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
Carolina is doing one and. Done we gotta do it.
Too by the, way just colin real. Quick when they
have like six players drafted in the first and second,
round people are going to look at, me, like why
was It clemson? Better they had all this talent because
they're gonna have a lot of guys drafts a high,
yes and all of a sudden it's, like Oh clemson's
stunk or they were in nine, wins that's.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
It, well you, know the other thing about THE Nil
georgia doesn't feel as good today is they did PRE
nil transfer portal. Line it's not that they've lost their,
stars they've lost their. Depth you, know you play AN sec, schedule.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
You lose four.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Starters it used to Be georgia's backups were five star
kids ready to, play but they get poached in THE.
Nil so Even Ohio state last, year you lose a left,
tackle you.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Don't have a guy.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Available so what's happened to the big? Dogs the margins
are shrinking because your backups get. Poked louisville comes, In
purdue comes, In indiana comes in and, says you don't
have to play backup to.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Us you're our starting left.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Tackle you're a backup right tackle At. Bama and so
what's happened here is that it's not That clemson doesn't
have great, players but do they have the depth of
players Of Ohio. State and that's where you, Know Ohio
state can go Buy kalob deb but not every guy
you buy Is Caleb. Downs some are number two receivers
and number three. CORNERS J mack with the, News.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Well that's the, news and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
NEWS i always pushed back a little On Jalen HURTS J.
Mack you, KNOW J mack likes the shorter. Guys i'm
not going to get into, why but he loves the shorter.
Guys but there is AN nfl exec that kind of
summed it up On Jalen hurts and we'll talk about.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
That.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
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Speaker 1 (32:35):
App it's fair to say that Arch manning will not
be coming out of college football this, year that he
will come back for another year To. Texas it's been a,
disaster And i've got my theories on Why danny. Caneal
yesterday or the day, BEFORE i talked about is it?
Mental is it kind of A Ben simmons, thing A
Markel foltz, thing where it's above the. Shoulders he's, struggling
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he's lost. CONFIDENCE i don't. Know i've never played quarterback
at the college, level SO i don't necessarily.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Disagree but this season's been.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Bad he is literally last in THE sec among all
quarterbacks in completion percentage and near the bottom in everything.
Else of fourteen quarterbacks with three plus, starts he's twelveth
or worse in virtually.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Everything it doesn't look.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Good the production's bad, now they're missing some receivers and,
bags and THE o line is. Young the defense is much.
Better it just doesn't look right. Now to support, him
it should be noted that Bow nick spent five years in,
college so Did Jaden daniels And Justin herbert spent, four
so like time on task in college football matters for
quarterbacks in THE. Nfl the other thing is if your
(33:40):
last name Is, manning you don't have a lot of.
Turbulence Jalen hurts had a, transfer And baker had a,
transfer And Joe burrow had a, transfer and Cam ward
had a, transfer and that turbulence is incredibly valuable for,
you Right it's incredibly. Valuable And alabama quarterbacks And texas
quarterbacks AND usc quarterbacks his story don't have as much.
(34:01):
Turbulence they play with better. Players SO i THINK i
was thinking about this this. Morning take quarterbacks like thirty
one years or. Younger don't Take stafford Or Aaron. Rodgers
let's talk about this generation of. Quarterbacks let's look at
the quarterback mountain in THE. Nfl so the ten best
quarterbacks and we can argue who it. Is but right,
now so far this, season here are the ten best.
(34:23):
Quarterbacks now think about. This Patrick mahomes had a losing
record in.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
College that's.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Turbulence Josh allen small, School wyoming awful his first year
in the. Pros Joe burrow had to, transfer multiple. Injuries
Lamar jackson passed over by, everybody including The ravens in
the first. Round they got him with their second, pick
and many believed he was a receiver and not a.
Quarterback Justin herbert probably the best. Route i'll get to
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him in a second. Though Dak, prescott fourth, rounder non traditional,
power couple of injuries here he is. Today Quarterback Baker
mayfield multiple, teams had to transfer in. College Jared goff
went to a non traditional football, power got crushed first.
Year Jared fisher gets to A Super, bowl eventually gets
traded to Losing. Detroit Jalen hurt second, rounder had to
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Transfer bama bench to be in a national championship. Game
And Jordan love non traditional Power Utah state lost a
lot of, games had to sit for three. Years so
of all the top ten, quarterbacks the young quarterbacks this generation's,
Quarterbacks herbert's had it the. Easiest and think about, this
he was a three star, player not a five. Star
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he had three different coaches At oregon And harbaughs is
third coach in the, pros so it took him his
fifth coach to get a legendary. Coach and that's the easiest.
Route Justin herbert's rout's been, like, Oh, Oregon, well, Yeah
oregon was, good but they couldn't get the coach right
(36:02):
during his stay there because he started like five or
six games into HIS i think freshman, year and he
goes to The chargers and two coaches don't. Work now
he's put up great numbers At oregon and great he's
got the easiest. Route so my take is on Arch,
manning he's never had. Turbulence he grew up with, money
he grew up with. Fame he's a great looking. Kid
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he goes To, texas he was on a dominant high school.
Team this turbulence is. Important it's not a coincidence that
all these guys had to overcome, stuff all of. Them
Here's sark on arches struggles and why they.
Speaker 10 (36:41):
HELP i think you hit the nail on the. HEAD
i think some of this is really. Good you, know
here's a guy who's had an awesome. Life you, know
he's you, know the way he's grown, up where he,
played the school he went, to the people he's been surrounded.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
By BUT i think you.
Speaker 10 (36:57):
Learn a lot about yourself through adversity and overcoming adversity
and getting on the other side of. Adversity and so
to have some of this adversity that he has right
now and when he gets on the other side of,
IT i think all of this is going to serve
not only well for, him but well for us as a.
Speaker 6 (37:12):
Team and so.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Love the challenge for, him love the challenge for.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Us, yeah and it's just you, KNOW i read a
story it must have been like ten or fifteen years,
ago and somebody was writing ABOUT ufc fighters and how
most of them grew up with, brothers. Roughhousing they grew
up physical, kids sometimes older brothers picking on. Him and it's, like,
yeah if you're going to be that tough when you're twenty,
eight at eighteen and, eight you probably have to defend
(37:39):
yourself at some. Point AND i look At Arch manning
and if it was just, hey the best high schooler
goes to the best college goes to THE. Nfl that's
The Peyton manning, story that's The Matt stafford, story and
he ended up With.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Detroit it almost never works that. Way it's.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Unbelievable at one point in THE nfl there were three
quarterbacks starting FROM Nc state and none FROM usc Or.
ALABAMA i mean in most of These alabama, quarterbacks it's
not that they're not good, kids but you, Know Mac
jones to a you, know when you lead every football.
Game this has been my knock ON jj. McCarthy he
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didn't have to.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Throw they.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Won he had the best, coach he had the best offensive,
line he had the best. Defense outside Of Ohio, state
he always had better. Players SO i, MEAN i, mean
think about how Great Ohio state football. IS i would
say it's the second best college program of my.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Life C.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
J stroud is their only GREAT nfl quarterback and right
now he's. Reeling and last year they couldn't keep a receiver.
Healthy the left tackle had an off. Year this year
he may have the worst offensive line in. Football now
he got to the. PLAYOFFS i think he's. Excellent but C. J,
stroud he is living a real. LIFE i MEAN i
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always say. THAT i remember When Matt liner played AT,
usc they were so dominant and The pac ten was
really bad at that. TIME i think one year he
got sacked like eleven. Times he got popped in the
mouth once At Arizona state and he had a bloody.
Lip But i'm, like, Now i've never seen that With Matt,
Lioner like it was just he lived this. Life he
sat in the, pocket he threw the great players five, Stars, like,
man that's not preparing you for THE.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
NFL.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Cj stroud the last year and a, half can't keep
a receiver, healthy doesn't have a run. Game it's easier
for The texans now to block a punt than pick
up two yards near the goal. Line they can't run the.
Football SO i mean we have right, now we have
starting quarterbacks in THE. Nfl think about this From Utah, State, Wyoming,
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delaware cow one FROM usc and by the, way he's
bounced all over the. League Sam, darnold he bounced all
over the. League SO i think this. STUFF i think
this stuff For Arch, MANNING i think it's All Caleb,
williams Well OKLAHOMA.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Usc half of. Them this thinks of the, other you know.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Whatever Caleb, WILLIAMS i, guess by the, way off to
a rocky.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Start So Jay, MAC i.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Guess my point is when you look at quarterback, mountain
there are no easy. Paths there are no drafted number
one went to a good, team like Even Patrick mahomes
sat for a. YEAR i REMEMBER i Watched Patrick mahomes
twice in. COLLEGE i thought he was way too. Wild i'm,
like this conference is. Crazy he was winning fifty four
to forty.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Five this is. Nonsense he's three real league.
Speaker 6 (40:26):
Football that's what it. Was, yeah it's like sixteen to fifty.
Four but quick.
Speaker 7 (40:30):
Note SO i happen to See Joel klatt downstairs this.
Morning we were, chatting AND i was, like you, Know
colin's been pumping up this quarterback class for the next year's.
Draft a lot Arch, Manning, notusmier all these young. Guys, Hey,
joel have you noticed they've largely stunk up the joint
so far this? Season he's, like, well you could be honest.
Something we're done talking Arch manning in twenty twenty. Six THAT'S,
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Ok BUT i am. Curious Club nick has been. Dreadful,
yes he can't read a defense to save his, life Nuss.
Meyer other than that first game is, Gold, COLIN i
think we need to readjust for the twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
DRAFT i think you're onto. Something, uh and there's a
kid out. West oh, gosh here we, go Usc Jaden.
Speaker 6 (41:12):
MAH i have a good power two, now
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