September 25, 2025 • 40 mins
Colin reacts to an Athletic article on the best NFL front offices and how they’re all different and do things different. Sunday Night Football will be a disaster but the Micah Parsons homecoming is front and center. Colin and Jason look forward to NFL Week 4 and Thursday Night Football with the Cardinals and Seahawks.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go on a Thursday, one of my favorite
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Thanks for making us part of your day. Ryan, our producer,
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meltdown getting the field for Chicago and Wrigley Field. What
a great city it is. Jmax. The Athletic is that
subscribvishing business. You know they got some really good writers there.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And we've always known there's a gap between the best
quarterbacks and the second third tier quarterbacks or the best coaches.
That's obvious, right, But the Athletic pulled twenty nine coaches, executives,
general managers, and they pulled them on the best front
offices upstairs, the guys in the nice boxes during the game,
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and the camera occasionally shows. And the top ten might
as well be the hurd hierarchy. Eagles, Ravens, Rams, Bills, Chiefs, Buccaneers, Packers, Seahawks,
Line Niners. I mean, it's the hurd hierarchy, basically. And
I don't buy the Packers are lucky to hit on
three straight quarterbacks or the Eagles coincidentally have another stacked roster.
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The gap between front offices is as large or larger
than owners, quarterbacks and coaches. I mean, look what Jim
Harbaugh's done in twenty games with the Chargers worse to
me best team in the league. What's most interesting to
me in this poll is those top ten teams. They've
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all got, you know, quarterbacks, top quarterbacks. Isn't it fascinating
how each team landed the quarterback the most important position.
Each took an entirely different route. Let's start with the Eagles.
It's fascinating. So the Eagles, they go to the second round,
a smaller quarterback, Jalen Hurts, an athletic quarterback at the time,
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they had Carson Wentz moved off him, and they decide
we're gonna build an offense around this kid who's incredibly
strong for his size and do some different things that
a lot of teams aren't willing to do. We're gonna
go contrariyanto the market they had big, tall, range, Carson wentz,
We're gonna go smaller, strong athlete who's better moving initially
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than throwing. Second in this athletic poll is the Ravens.
They passed on Lamar Jackson wants themselves in the first round,
and then they decided, let's go for this hyper athletic
kid from Louisville. At the time, remember his mom was
representing him as very different, and we're not gonna play
him initially. We're gonna wait a while, let him watch
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Joe Flacco, but we're gonna roll the dice on this
super athletic quarterback, perhaps the most athletic quarterback probably that's
ever played. The Rams. Rams didn't do it that way.
The Rams had a Super Bowl quarterback. They're like, we're
going to trade him to Detroit and get Matt Stafford,
who actually has never won a playoff game, but we
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believe he's one of the best throwers of the football
in the league. And we're actually going to pay for
Stafford and Jared Goff to make it happen. The Bills
Bills different. They went to a small college, they go
get Josh Allen, they trade up for him, and we're
gonna need you to play your raw with a huge upside,
but we're gonna need you to play really quick. First
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year was bumpy, second year, third year got magical. How
about Kansas City, Yeah, we're gonna get this quarterback from
a conference, the Big Twelve that most of their quarterbacks
stink and don't work in the NFL. We're gonna trade
up for him. But unlike Buffalo, we're not gonna have
him play. We're gonna have him sit and learn the system.
Get his mechanics right, Alex Smith, learn the system behind
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a great mentor. We do not need you to play
early at all. How about the Buccaneers, they're on this list.
Buccaneers said, you know what I'm gonna do. There's this
guy little Cocky, there's this guy Baker Mayfield. We're gonna
give you like a one year prove it deal and
see if you got anything. And yeah, we're not really sure,
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but we kin Sean McVay like you you got the
Browns of the playoffs. And so the Buccaneers go, we're
gonna go with Baker Mayfield, and now they've signed a
new long term contract. Green Bay is it totally differently.
We're gonna draft you, Jordan Love and for the second time,
sit you for three years. You won't take a meaningful snap.
The Seahawks made this list. They go, and we're gonna
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go into free agency. Yeah yeah, I mean, we had
Geno Smith. We're gonna go a little younger, a little
more athletic. We're gonna bring in eventually an offensive coordinator,
Clint Kubiak, who works very well with quarterbacks. We're gonna
go free agent. The Lions do it differently. They're like, okay,
we'll give up Matt Stafford. We'll make a trade with
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the Rams. The Rams will pay for it. Gof's pretty good.
Not Stafford, but pretty good. And as the Rams pay
for the contract, we're gonna build a roster and take
all those draft picks and make us into a powerhouse.
And the forty nine ers did it totally differently. They
went and gave up a ton of picks for a
first round quarterback and very quickly said ooops, yeah, yeah,
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that's not working. And then they got lucky. They drafted
a guy they passed on multiple times, the entire league
passed on five, six, seven, eight times, and they got
brought purty. And this proves there's multiple routes to the
mountaintop for the most important position in the National Football
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League and in life. It reminds me when Live the
Live Golf Tour disrupted the PGA Tour. Rory was loyal
to the PGA, Phil wanted to be a disruptor. He left,
and Bryson Deshamba everybody wanted him, and he's like, you
know what, I want the freedom in flexibility to build
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my brand in YouTube and the PGA E're not gonna
like that, and Live's going to allow it. And by
the way, all three none were wrong. Each chose a
different path for different reasons, and all are okay. The
only absolute truth in the NFL when it comes to quarterback,
because I just showed you the top ten teams and
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they all had a different route. There's no one way
to do it. The only absolute truth. If you find
yourself as a GM or a coach, ear left tackle,
or even a fan, try trying to convince yourself you
have a franchise quarterback, Well, you know he works really hard,
he's a winner. I don't know, he's feisty. If he
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doesn't have an elite next level trade, you don't have.
The guy said, when Margot Robbie walks into a movie scene,
you don't have to explain it gonna be a good scene,
good traits Margot Robbie. So that's the only rule in
the NFL seventh round trade free agency draft from a
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bad program, rest, sit behind Alex Smith, play him immediately.
Million different ways to do it, but what you have
to do to win a super Bowl is do it
however it is. You gotta find a guy. The good
news is there's a lot of different routes. All Right,
Sunday Night Football. I don't think it's gonna be a
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close game. Green Bay is facing Dallas, and green Bay
is great and in a bad mood because they just
lost to Cleveland, and Dallas isn't necessarily in a bad mood,
They're just in a bad spot. Week staff week roster
and Ceedee Lamsdell hurt. Micah Parsons now is returning to
Big D and Micah says, hey, no hard feelings. I
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can't wait.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Dallas loves me, you know, I think they're gonna give
me a good ride of applause. And you know, there's
no hard feelings there, at least for me. And I
think it's gonna be like I said, it's gonna be
a great atmosphere. I think, you know, this is some
of the best football you're going to get in Dallas.
When it's Sunday night against you know, a rivalry.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Opponent, there should be no hard feelings. In that Athletic
survey of out front offices, Dallas got no vote of
the twenty nine people. Green Bay got eleven of twenty
nine right. Eleven people said they're a top five organization.
Saquon Barkley Giants to the Eat Eagles Super Bowl Ring
first year Stafford to the Rams from the Lions Super
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Bowl Ring first year, sho Hey O Tawni Angels to
the Dodgers World Series title first year all in the
first year. Some people are just too talented to mire
in dysfunction. And that's what Dallas is. There's a lot
of you hear all this altruism. I am going to
go down with a ship, be loyal. Oh that's nonsense.
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You end up like Mike Trout and Barry Sanders. You
end up surrounding yourself with secondary executives, managers, coaches, people
hitting in front of you, left guards blocking for you.
That's why I've said with Joe Burrow, Joe, you got
to talk to your agent and consider demanding a trade. Cincinnati,
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Carson Palmer said enough is enough. So I mean Kevin
Garnett's biggest regret. Remember when he got to the South
he said, my only regret in the NBA I didn't
I didn't leave Minnesota at the time dysfunctional earlier. So
Micah Parsons in this deal should have absolutely no regrets.
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It's one of those Saquon Barkley moves, Matt Stafford moves,
and Shoe Hao Tani moves. He is leaving dysfunction and
an average roster and an average staff and he is
upgrading across the board. And Uncle Colin life rule number
seven or eight, I forgot ride the wave in life.
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Don't fight the current. The packers, they win, they coach,
they draft, they develop. You go to Green Bay. You
ride that momentum, that culture, and that winning wave. Sadly
in Dallas last twenty years for the great players. It
feels like you're fighting a current. All right, j Mac
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bringing the energy today tonight there's a fascinating and we
won't spend a ton of time on it, but I
will tell you you and I are on opposite sides tonight.
Yeah on the NFL game.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Wait, why are we not spending a ton of time
on it? It's a great matchup.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
No, No, Seattle goes to Arizona. You like Seattle?
Speaker 5 (11:16):
I do.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I think it is a trap bet. It's the biggest
trap bet on the board. So Seattle in a blowout
win where I mean literally just rested people. So in
an insane win, the easiest win of the year, perhaps
short week division rival against an Arizona team that out
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played and should have beaten San Francisco, but the fans fancy, Uh,
Seahawks blew them out. Niners beat Arizona. If you watch
the Niners game, Arizona had them beat out, gained them
more yards yards per play. Arizona is a tough division rival.
They've always given this to division problems. Now they're at home,
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short week Seahawks. Maybe take their foot off the gas
after a blowout like college level win.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
That's very none of that I can refute. I like it.
My issue is, you know, James Connor is like the
emotional center of that team and he goes down out
for the season. That's a big loss. In addition, their
secondary is real beat up. Will Johnson, the young kid
out of Michigan who's having any time decision. Yeah, he's injured.
And Sam Darnold numbers against the play action have been amazing.
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I think Seattle kind of wins this one handling. I'm
higher than mark out on Seattle. I think they're a
legit well, you.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Know, I like it, threat, you know, I like Seattle.
I think when you played division rivals in loud stadiums
with capable quarterbacks, coming off a lollipop win against the
team that played out play the Niners and lost to me,
it feels so trappy.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
I have some Kyler numbers we'll talk about later against
Seattle last year, hint, they were awful.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Well, the things we build our future around are worth protecting.
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Speaker 1 (14:08):
That's Cavino and Rich. Major League Baseball's testing now is
better than ever, and the talent in the sport is
better than ever. And this is unbelievable. The Mariners clinched
the American League West last night. They beat Colorado Cal Rawley,
who's squats. He's a switch hitting catcher. Mostly catchers have
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shorter careers because they're squatting for three and a half hours.
The ability to hit fifty nine and sixty home runs
for that position is unbelievable. He hit two last night.
And here's the play by play of both.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
On the line up in the one.
Speaker 8 (14:46):
One swinging a drive, keep the right field.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Holy Smoke Squares is.
Speaker 8 (14:51):
Gonna land up pertect right field number fifty nine for
cal Raleigh. He is just tied Babe Ruth for the
most home runs in a single season in American League history.
The chance of MVP, MVP, the stretch of the pitch,
the cow swinging a drive, keep the right field there.
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It is not for sixty. The modern day bam veto
has just tied Bay Bruces record of sixty home runs
for third all time in American League history. Col Rowley
with his second home run of the ball game fifty
nine in the first number sixty.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
For a catcher to do that is absolutely remarkable. But
you're seeing remarkable all over baseball. The playoffs start Tuesday.
It's a global sport and it's never been this talent rich.
There's four guys now with fifty plus jacks, none of
them on cattle steroids. This sport now is incredibly tested.
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Shoe Heeo Tawny is an elite pitcher, hitter, base dealer,
power on base. Every team has multiple guys throwing one
hundred plus miles an hour. The Cincinnati Reds, you used
to have a great team in the seventies. One of
their big tough guys with Johnny Bench. He's four inches
shorter than the current Red shortstop La de la Cruz,
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who is an athletic freak. Last season he had almost
seventy stolen bases twenty five dingers. The bottom line here
is for cal Rawly to do what he is doing
for that position is insane. So this year he's the
first catcher to hit sixty, But then again, Shohy last
season was the first player to go fifty to fifty.
Aaron Judge this year just passed Bea and DiMaggio for
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the Yankees in an all time Yankee home run list,
and if you put Yogi Barra next to Aaron Judge,
they don't look like the same athlete. So major League
Baseball is The playoffs start Tuesday. I'll take the Brewers
and the Mariners in the World Series. Old timers like
to say, there's a way to play the game. Yes, smarter, faster,
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more athletic, ability, more global than ever. You watch those
baseball playoffs. Everybody's throwing ninety nine and up. Everybody can hit,
Catchers have power, pitchers, o taani have. It just kind
of remarkable what's happening in baseball. It is exploded and
baseball has smartly sped the game up, taken away the
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defensive shift, more runs, more runners, more stolen bases, more hits.
Incredible talent. I know we like to be romantics in baseball.
Incredible talent in this sport on display every night. Playoffs
again start Tuesday. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
No, no turn on the news. This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Let's start with the struggling Kansas City Chiefs. Colin. They
are not looking very super Bowl ready. One and two
start to the season. Whooped thee Damn do they beat
the Giants and did not look impressive. Patrick Mahomes needs
knows they need to change things up when they go
against Lamar Jackson led offense.
Speaker 9 (18:06):
I think for us, we got to start faster. I
think every game we've we've kind of said that we
haven't really got to do that. And we were moving
the ball early in the game last week, but we
weren't were settling with field goals. And when you play
teams that are that are really good, have dynamic quarterbacks
like the Ravens do, you got to get to turn
those into touchdowns and that that will not only put
pressure on them, but it unleash his spags. They'll be
able to do what he wants to do.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I kind of if it goes to three like Kansas
City here, if Worthy plays, I know it's I know, I.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Love this Xavior Worthy Savior stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I mean, like he's saying Savior, I'm holding a legitimate
number one or two receivers.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
He's not a number one, he's a two, coman two. Listen,
I'm looking at the Chiefs depth chart. Okay, you tell
me which one of these guys is a game breaker. Pacheco,
Kareem Hunt, Hollywood Brown, Travis Kelce, Taekwan Thornton, Noah Greg Colin.
That is like a that's like a Carolina Panthers level
offense right there. That there's no studs there. I'll say
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Thornton has looked the best of their scope.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Position guys, well, Baltimore's going to be on a short week.
They've got their own injuries to deal with. Outside of
Dave Flowers, They've they've got tight ends I like, and
I don't think I think they'll play up. I think
this game is going to be low scoring because I
think Kansas City has always done pretty well against Lamar.
They've always done They've always done pretty well against Lamar.
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And I think Baltimore will play an incredibly inspired defensive
effort despite limitations, and Kansas City doesn't score a lot.
This game feels twenty three to twenty, twenty four to
twenty one. To me, I'm taking the points in this
rivalry game. Well, I'm Florid.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
You think Kansas City's defense is going to contain Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
No, I think I think Kansas City has the ability
when they face Lamar. Lamar's never played well, he's always
a little tight. Short week. I think Kansas City stays
in game. Kansas City doesn't blow out anybody outside of
Super Bowls, they don't get blown out. I think it's close.
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I'm taking the points.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
I think so last week against Russ, they just basically
blitz the hell out of them. We're like, Russ, you
can't do anything.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Well, that's a different game, exactly right.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
So now Spags has to change it up. And again
I'm not bashing the d. It feels like mcguffe's not
off to a great start. The linebackers are not super fast.
We saw Justin Herbert run whenever he wanted against them
for key first downs.
Speaker 8 (20:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
I'm on Ravens here. I think she's go to one
and three. And on Monday morning, we're talking about no
playoffs for your Kansas City Chiefs, and everybody's gonna be
talking about old j Max take from the summer. All right,
let's move on to what do we do? Oh, this
is a good game. Eagles three and oh against Tampa
also three and oh. Now, last season Tampa took down
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Philly in Week four, really handled them. But it kind
of deserves an asterisk. No AJ Brown and I don't
think DeVonta Smith played either okay. Heading into this matchup,
Nick Sirianni is traveling to Tampa Friday. The team is
going early to get more acclimated to the weather in Tampa,
your favorite city in America. Speaking of Mark Sanchez on
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the rear View pod, Baker Mayfield says, Hey, traveling early,
that ain't gonna help you.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
We'll have a good game plan obviously to try and
tire these guys out. Advantage for us. We're in Tampa.
The heat they're not used to that. I know there's
already been the stories that broke about them coming down
to Tampa a day early. I don't necessarily think that.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Helps them one day.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
It doesn't get you acclimated to this humidity. So I
think honestly it makes them think about it more when
they get down here earlier.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
You know, it's funny you think the heat would be
an advantage. I always thought it was. I worked in
Tampa for two years. It was hottest place I've ever worked,
lightning every afternoon in the summer. But I do think
when you sometimes you take these cold weather teams where
it's already here in the northern areas, it's already cool down,
it's September steamier. If you don't know Tampa and Miami,
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it's hard to explain. You know the Saints. It's steamy,
but it's indoors. I think it's an advantage against northern
teams early in September. I do.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Yeah, So I'm looking at the weather. This is courtesy
of weather dot com. High of ninety one on Sunday
in Tampa.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
I think a bigger story is Mike Evans not playing,
Chris Godwin not playing. Essentially, it's the Abuca Show and
Quinjon Mitchell and Cooper Dejan can hand him off. I
think Philly really puts a beat down on the bike side.
I think, say Tampa Bay team that's shirped. And I
had a guy on my podcast who covers the Eagles
this week and he noted that Todd Bowles has had
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Jalen Hurts's number. So we got Baker Mayfield talking trash
about the weather, we got Todd Bowles owning Jalen Hurts.
I think the Philadelphia Eagles, they're here at all the
noise Colin, they know Tampa's had our number. He goes by.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I like the Eagles too, I do, I think, And
I also think they've played so poorly in the first half.
That's when you win and play poorly for stretches. It's
a it's a great week of coaching.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Yeah, how long can Tampa dance between the rain drops
and continue to win games? At the buzzer every week? Colin,
come on, they're like three fourth place from being zero
and three.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
You know that, right, Yes, absolutely, it's j Mack with
the news.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
It's you know, I don't want to pick on this team.
I really don't. I want to be positive because tonight
it's Arizona Seattle. Good game and Greg Cosel comes on
in thirty minutes and he you know, he often has
positive messaging for players. But I saw so. The Athletic
did this survey where they survey twenty nine people in
the NFL and executives, GMS and some coaches and first place,
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second place, third place, fourth place, fifth place. You had
fifth five opportunities to vote the best front offices in
the NFL. Not coaches vote the best front offices. Here's
the most shocking thing in the entire list of teams
is somebody put the Pittsburgh Steelers as the second best
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run front office in the NFL. Who and how that's unbelieving.
You better hope whoever voted him the Steelers number two
isn't your general manager, because it's twenty twenty five that
they have not won a playoff game in eight years.
They are completely toned af to offense. By the way,
Aaron Rodgers, who is the worst quarterback in the league
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right now under pressure. The problem is he's often under pressure.
They can't figure out their offensive line. It's been seven years,
so the Steelers offense since twenty twenty is twenty seventh
total offense, twenty three in scoring. It is an offensive league.
And uh, in fact, I saw this. I saw this
story this morning. The Browns and the Titans have more
offense touchdowns from twenty seventeen until today and more playoff
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wins than the Steelers. I'm not joking when I say this.
The only thing that gives you hope is well, Tomlin
knows what he's doing, and the defense is very good.
It's not the defense is not playing well, so it
is a it's an incredibly expensive defense, and it's kind
of slid backwards. The last three years. So they've only
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had one Pro bowler drafted in five seasons. That's nausey Harris.
He is gone. So I mean, I get writing in
your friend, Like your friend runs for mayor in your
small town, you get him write in vote. You know
nobody can. But if it ever got out that somebody
you voted the Steelers the second best front office in
the league is you have to pray as a fan
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that your GM did not vote them, your executive did
not vote. And this is nothing against Tomlin, it's the
whole organization. Mike Tomlin doesn't control the draft. Mike Tomlin,
you could argue, doesn't control the offensive line, which they
can't solved. They cannot solve their offensive line. And I'm
gonna argue they have better than average personnel. So the defense,
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I don't know what to say. It's a little old
in spots. There's a bunch of talented people. I think
Minnesota is going to be a handful for them. I
like Minnesota in that game comfortably. Mike Tomlin this week
addressed what so far has been a strangely under performing defense.
Speaker 10 (26:27):
Getting off the feel a lot or frequently enough on defense,
and I think it's altering our time of possession and
oftentimes that dictates how the game is played in a
myriad of ways. Who is somewhat limited with some of
our schematics due to obvious circumstances. I expect us to
continually work and get better in some of those spaces.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
It is interesting there's been this trend that I've talked
about and I've asked people in the league, but if
you look at defensive coaches, they struggle with offensive line play.
I mean, right now, Houston has the worst offensive line.
The Steelers once again have a bad offensive line. We
have defensive head coaches, So I don't really have an
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explanation for it. McVeigh, Andy Reid, Sean Payton have shown
the ability time and time again. The Niners, by the way,
have shown the ability with average personnel or in rebuilds
to develop offensive lines very quickly. Great O line, Dan Campbell,
offensive coach Sirianni Philadelphia. And I'm not saying the GMS
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don't count, but five of the six top offensive lines
right now according to PFF, and this is an annual reality,
five of the top six offensive lines have offensive coaches.
The exception is Buffalo, who's had Dion Dawkins anchoring at
left tackle, an elite left tackle for years and years,
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and he moves their number up. But Buffalo is the exception.
Other than that, top hole lines offensive coaches, many of
the worst O lines defensive coaches. I don't have an explanation,
but it feels like a trend for the last several years.
By the way, Jackson dart is starting this weekend, I'll
have some thoughts on that. And Aaron Rodgers doing it again,
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we'll talk about that. Greg Cosel, Top of the Hour,
Can't Wait.
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Speaker 1 (28:48):
Welcome back. I have sympathy. I mean the great news
when you're young, if you stumble early in your career,
you know you have a lot of time to make
it up. You make a big career mistake at fifty seven.
You may not get back into the workforce. You're twenty six,
you're seventeen or eighteen, you're stumbled. You'll be fine, but
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it can be disheartening and you can lose a lot
of confidence if your first job is a bad one.
I have sympathy for Jackson Dart. So the Giants are
at home and they're facing the Chargers, and Jim Harbaugh
since he's been the Chargers coach against rookie quarterbacks is
four and zero. They average fourteen points a game and
complete barely sixty percent of their throw So Jim Harball,
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like the great coaches, has owned rookie quarterbacks. And I
was never a huge Jackson Dart believer. Felt more like
a mid second round guy to me. But this is
a rough one. The head coach on the hot seat
GM could follow left tackles great Andrew Thomas, he's always
hurt and Monique Malik Neighbors is gifted, but he gets
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banged up. So it is remarkable. I lived on the
East Coast for ten years. It is remarkable how far
Big Blue has fallen since Eli Manning retired. And it
wasn't that long ago. They have had ten starting quarterbacks.
That is tied for the most in the league with Cleveland. Man,
that's unbelievable, and they convinced themselves a couple of these
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guys were the guy. In fact, in the last eleven seasons,
they're two big years. Twice they've won six games. So
they are not Cleveland. Cleveland's actually right now. You know
they won a playoff game with Baker Mayfield not that
long ago. They're not Cleveland. I mean you start looking
at the lowly franchises, Houston three years ago. No, Houston
found its way. So Jacksonville won a playoff game. So
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like they're at the bottom of the league right now.
So and I think they're starting Jackson Dart. One of
the reasons they're starting in is because the owner, mister Mara,
does not want to have a home crowd again chanting Dart,
Dart Dart. I think it's embarrassing for him. He's mentioned
before or that he pays attention to sports radio and
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he reads the papers. He's very aware of how New
York fans feel about the situation. So there there was
an I'm not joking, there there was a was it
last year? There was a plane. We looked for a
video we couldn't find it of a banner. Somebody paid
for an actual banner a Giants fan, and that flew
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over and it said, mister Mara enough, please fix this
dumpster fire. So it is, I mean it is. It
is bad. Now reportedly Jackson Dart actually is running a
plane this weekend. There's gonna be a few more banners
out there, and uh, you know, one of them is
get me out of here because Jackson Dart. This is
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a complete uphill struggle. I mean, honestly, how do you
succeed coach on the hot seat? Haven't won suboptimal general manager,
You're left tackling your star receiver, actually struggle to stay healthy.
I don't know. Here here is Jackson Dart on the start.
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I'm ready. So there wasn't anything extra.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
It was really just, you know, now I felt, you know,
it's you always try to say like I'm gonna prepare
eachweak the same, but you know, in all reality.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
You have a different you know, responsibilities as the starter.
So you know, I'm just locked in. Yeah, he I mean,
he's the junior coder who's been hired to overhaul the
software at a company and he's just trying to find
the break room. I this is a total uphill battle.
I honestly feel bad for Jackson Dart. The good news
is the NFL today, and this is actually great news
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for quarterbacks. Baker, Gino Darnold, You're gonna get second, third,
and fourth chance. Look at Mac Jones. Mac Jones was
buried in this league, like people were done with Jacksonville
got him. He's from that area. They moved on. So
but I it if you don't have sympathy for some
of these young quarterbacks and some of these situations. Again,
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if Andrew Thomas and Neighbors never got banged up, you'd
like be uh oh. Because I went into this year
and I was like, actually, if Jackson Dark can play,
I like their weapon, I like their left tackle. They're
both hurt again, so and I and and I mean again,
here's the Otter issue. Even if Jackson Dart's talented, will
we know with New York because I didn't see anything
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with Daniel Jones, like nothing. Daniel Jones is a field
goal underdog in LA against the Rams this weekend. That's
that's a pretty good number. That tells you that the
wise guys are Daniel Jones can play, So if he's good,
can they figure it out? I don't have a I
don't have an answer, but I think this is a
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I think the Mara family they just don't want to
hear booing and dart for three and a half hours,
and that's what you were gonna hear. Okay, week four
NFL schedule. He've said this, it is hard in the
NFL to hide your flaws in college you, like I've said,
USC could win this weekend and go five and zero.
I'm not going to know if USC is any good
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until they face Oregon in Notason and Notre Dame in
South Bend. But if we could put up the Week
four NFL schedule. In the NFL, it is hard to
hide your flaws. So Seattle, I think tonight it's a
trap game. I'd stay away. Jmack like Seattle. They're clearly
the better team, but it's a short week division rival
on the road in Arizona outplayed the Niners. So we
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disagree on that one, right.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
One hundred percent?
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Yeah, you and I both feel strongly that Minnesota is
to play in Dublin against Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Yeah, I was quoting you. The stats before the show.
Pro Football Focus grades out quarterbacks under pressure. Dead last
in the NFL is Aaron Rodgers. He is six for
twenty two passing under pressure with two picks and three
turnover worthy place he is a nightmare. Would you know
Brian Flores tendency Colin. He loves the blitz. They are
top eight in blitz percentage and I think top five
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in pressure rate. They're gonna get after Rogers, and I
don't see a world where he's bailed out by Metcalf
and Warren.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I like the Vikings a lot in Dublin. Yeah, it's
one of my stronger plays. We both like Philadelphia at Tampa.
Tampa has escaped average teams Jets and Falcons has really
not played a full game yet, and they don't have
Mike Evans, so they're gonna rely on their rookie receiver
against a Philadelphia team that puts pressure on a quarterback.
We both like Philly.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Yes, Detroit game. Have you seen that number is run
up to ten? It was like eight eight and a half.
Now ten.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I would stay away from that game, although I do
think Cleveland's defense. I told you I watched the Packers
Cleveland game again. That defense for Cleveland's legit. They get
a very pass right, it's totally legit. So they're gonna
They're gonna lose a lot of games, but they're gonna
lose close. The Lions. Listen, Detroit's got in the lea
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roster and at home they're really tough.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Remember Cleveland on the road like was fighting with Baltimore
and that next thing, you know, it's forty one ten.
So I suspect something similar happens here. They show well
for a bit and then the Lions open up a
can in the in the third quarter.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
All Right, Carolina at New England, I don't know about
the bat. I probably lean Carolina in the points, but
I think I think New England's the double here.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
So you you've made this point about the Patriots. They
have like a new team. It takes a little while
to jee.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
That's why their penalties and turnovers have been a mess.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Well, what is this the week it clicks against a
team that, Lets be real, Carolina is not good. I
know they won, they won last week, but this isn't
a week to week league. I mean we got to
look big picture, Like I think Christian Gonzales, the Great
cornerback returns this week. Some injuries for the Panthers. Tech
McMillan T mac is banged up.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
We'll see tell from Mike Vrabel's body language on the sidelines.
He knows he's got a young new team. He's not mad,
he's not frustrated. He knows it's a process. New England's
going to be pretty interesting. I still think they're going
to be a wild card team, but they are one
of They have more new guys playing than any team
in the league.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
I'm on the Patriots and we're opposite on that.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Okay, Washington and Atlanta. I don't bet Falcon.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Games time out. The staff said that I need to
come up with an upset. Atlanta is an underdog at home.
Is this an upset? Does that count? Can I go
with the Falcons?
Speaker 1 (37:27):
You know what, I strongly encourage you to bet everything
you own on the Falcons. Please seriously not interested. So
New Orleans at Buffalo, we know who the better team is.
You would suspect that the Saints would play as well
as they can play in Buffalo. You know, is a
team that comes off a dramatic game. I tend to
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think that's a stayaway game.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
So let me get this straight. New Orleans plays tough
at home, go to Seattle, get their butts kicked, fly back,
and now have to fly up to play arguably the
best team in the league.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
And yeah, blaffho is gonna win. I'm just not laying.
I'm not laying. You're not laying seventeen quins. I think
the Chargers at New York. I would take the Chargers
to win and cover because again, the Giants' key players
are banged up. I think it's actually the only thing
that worries me. I think it's a pretty low scoring game.
I think there's a lot of good defensive personnel in
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this game. The Chargers win, but I don't think it's pretty.
I think the Giants will make it look ugly.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
I know some Chargers season ticket holders in Colin they
were pointing out that Bo Knicks actually had some guys
open against the Chargers there, he just missed the passes.
There was Courtland Sutton late, like that was a go
either way game. I like the Chargers here, but I
am a little nervous. You know, new quarterback, what are
we expecting from Jackson Dart? Like he's a scramble run
around guy. I like the Chargers, but I'm a little nervous.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Okay, I'm not going to talk about Tennessee and Houston.
It's boring the Colts at the Rams. I would probably
take the Colts a sandwich game Niners next week, off
of filled Alia game last week. Those are two big rivals.
They have struggled against the Eagles. I tend to think,
not that they overlook them, but the energy will be low.
I think the Colts have a real roster. I think
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they're for real. I do. I said this last year.
If they can get competent quarterback play, the Colts have
a really good roster, an excellent O line to keep
the Rams D line at Bay. I think it's a
close game. I'll take the Rams to win, but if
I get the hook at three and a half, I'd
take the Colts.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
So you know the game Roulette in Vegas where you
black red and then there's this okay, so you know
people will see, oh, twelve blacks have come up in
a row. I'm just gonna keep betting red. It's got
to eventually go red. I feel like that's me with
the Colts. I want to go against them every week
and Daniel Jones just keeps delivering. But Colin, this week,
I got a good stat for you. Miss tackles is
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tracked as a stat. The Rams lead the NFL with
the lowest number three miss tackles in three games. Okay.
If Jonathan Taylor's not getting loose, okay, and Tyler Warren's
not breaking tackles and Jared Versus in company are getting
after Daniel Jones, I think the Rams. And again I'm
this is a team that led Philly twenty six to seven,
okay before crumbling. I like the Rams here comfortably. Bears
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at the Raiders Raiders are passed.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Okay, No, I don't like the Bears coming off this.
Caleb Williams Player of the week. It's like, folks, Caleb
is an inconsistent, erratic player at this point. Don't buy
the hype. The Raiders are coming home. Raiders O line
has struggled, Yes, really struggled. Green Bay at Dallas blowout.
(40:36):
Both of us believe Green Bay wins comfortably pulls away
Monday Night. I'll take the Dolphins at home and the
Broncos at home.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
Wait, did you see Justin Fields? If he's clear from
concussion protocol, he will start, but he has not been
cleared yet. Does that matter to you? Or is Tyrod
Taylor there? They're you know, flex, It doesn't really matter.
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Here we go on a Thursday, one of my favorite
days of the week. Greg co selling one hour we
are live. It's Chicago, It is the Herd. Wherever you
may be and however you may be watching or listening,
Thanks for making us part of your day. Ryan, our producer,
went to the Cubs game last night, watched the Mets
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meltdown getting the field for Chicago and Wrigley Field. What
a great city it is. Jmax. The Athletic is that
subscribvishing business. You know they got some really good writers there.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And we've always known there's a gap between the best
quarterbacks and the second third tier quarterbacks or the best coaches.
That's obvious, right, But the Athletic pulled twenty nine coaches, executives,
general managers, and they pulled them on the best front
offices upstairs, the guys in the nice boxes during the game,
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and the camera occasionally shows. And the top ten might
as well be the hurd hierarchy. Eagles, Ravens, Rams, Bills, Chiefs, Buccaneers, Packers, Seahawks,
Line Niners. I mean, it's the hurd hierarchy, basically. And
I don't buy the Packers are lucky to hit on
three straight quarterbacks or the Eagles coincidentally have another stacked roster.
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The gap between front offices is as large or larger
than owners, quarterbacks and coaches. I mean, look what Jim
Harbaugh's done in twenty games with the Chargers worse to
me best team in the league. What's most interesting to
me in this poll is those top ten teams. They've
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all got, you know, quarterbacks, top quarterbacks. Isn't it fascinating
how each team landed the quarterback the most important position.
Each took an entirely different route. Let's start with the Eagles.
It's fascinating. So the Eagles, they go to the second round,
a smaller quarterback, Jalen Hurts, an athletic quarterback at the time,
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they had Carson Wentz moved off him, and they decide
we're gonna build an offense around this kid who's incredibly
strong for his size and do some different things that
a lot of teams aren't willing to do. We're gonna
go contrariyanto the market they had big, tall, range, Carson wentz,
We're gonna go smaller, strong athlete who's better moving initially
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than throwing. Second in this athletic poll is the Ravens.
They passed on Lamar Jackson wants themselves in the first round,
and then they decided, let's go for this hyper athletic
kid from Louisville. At the time, remember his mom was
representing him as very different, and we're not gonna play
him initially. We're gonna wait a while, let him watch
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Joe Flacco, but we're gonna roll the dice on this
super athletic quarterback, perhaps the most athletic quarterback probably that's
ever played. The Rams. Rams didn't do it that way.
The Rams had a Super Bowl quarterback. They're like, we're
going to trade him to Detroit and get Matt Stafford,
who actually has never won a playoff game, but we
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believe he's one of the best throwers of the football
in the league. And we're actually going to pay for
Stafford and Jared Goff to make it happen. The Bills
Bills different. They went to a small college, they go
get Josh Allen, they trade up for him, and we're
gonna need you to play your raw with a huge upside,
but we're gonna need you to play really quick. First
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year was bumpy, second year, third year got magical. How
about Kansas City, Yeah, we're gonna get this quarterback from
a conference, the Big Twelve that most of their quarterbacks
stink and don't work in the NFL. We're gonna trade
up for him. But unlike Buffalo, we're not gonna have
him play. We're gonna have him sit and learn the system.
Get his mechanics right, Alex Smith, learn the system behind
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a great mentor. We do not need you to play
early at all. How about the Buccaneers, they're on this list.
Buccaneers said, you know what I'm gonna do. There's this
guy little Cocky, there's this guy Baker Mayfield. We're gonna
give you like a one year prove it deal and
see if you got anything. And yeah, we're not really sure,
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but we kin Sean McVay like you you got the
Browns of the playoffs. And so the Buccaneers go, we're
gonna go with Baker Mayfield, and now they've signed a
new long term contract. Green Bay is it totally differently.
We're gonna draft you, Jordan Love and for the second time,
sit you for three years. You won't take a meaningful snap.
The Seahawks made this list. They go, and we're gonna
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go into free agency. Yeah yeah, I mean, we had
Geno Smith. We're gonna go a little younger, a little
more athletic. We're gonna bring in eventually an offensive coordinator,
Clint Kubiak, who works very well with quarterbacks. We're gonna
go free agent. The Lions do it differently. They're like, okay,
we'll give up Matt Stafford. We'll make a trade with
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the Rams. The Rams will pay for it. Gof's pretty good.
Not Stafford, but pretty good. And as the Rams pay
for the contract, we're gonna build a roster and take
all those draft picks and make us into a powerhouse.
And the forty nine ers did it totally differently. They
went and gave up a ton of picks for a
first round quarterback and very quickly said ooops, yeah, yeah,
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that's not working. And then they got lucky. They drafted
a guy they passed on multiple times, the entire league
passed on five, six, seven, eight times, and they got
brought purty. And this proves there's multiple routes to the
mountaintop for the most important position in the National Football
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League and in life. It reminds me when Live the
Live Golf Tour disrupted the PGA Tour. Rory was loyal
to the PGA, Phil wanted to be a disruptor. He left,
and Bryson Deshamba everybody wanted him, and he's like, you
know what, I want the freedom in flexibility to build
(06:36):
my brand in YouTube and the PGA E're not gonna
like that, and Live's going to allow it. And by
the way, all three none were wrong. Each chose a
different path for different reasons, and all are okay. The
only absolute truth in the NFL when it comes to quarterback,
because I just showed you the top ten teams and
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they all had a different route. There's no one way
to do it. The only absolute truth. If you find
yourself as a GM or a coach, ear left tackle,
or even a fan, try trying to convince yourself you
have a franchise quarterback, Well, you know he works really hard,
he's a winner. I don't know, he's feisty. If he
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doesn't have an elite next level trade, you don't have.
The guy said, when Margot Robbie walks into a movie scene,
you don't have to explain it gonna be a good scene,
good traits Margot Robbie. So that's the only rule in
the NFL seventh round trade free agency draft from a
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bad program, rest, sit behind Alex Smith, play him immediately.
Million different ways to do it, but what you have
to do to win a super Bowl is do it
however it is. You gotta find a guy. The good
news is there's a lot of different routes. All Right,
Sunday Night Football. I don't think it's gonna be a
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close game. Green Bay is facing Dallas, and green Bay
is great and in a bad mood because they just
lost to Cleveland, and Dallas isn't necessarily in a bad mood,
They're just in a bad spot. Week staff week roster
and Ceedee Lamsdell hurt. Micah Parsons now is returning to
Big D and Micah says, hey, no hard feelings. I
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can't wait.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Dallas loves me, you know, I think they're gonna give
me a good ride of applause. And you know, there's
no hard feelings there, at least for me. And I
think it's gonna be like I said, it's gonna be
a great atmosphere. I think, you know, this is some
of the best football you're going to get in Dallas.
When it's Sunday night against you know, a rivalry.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Opponent, there should be no hard feelings. In that Athletic
survey of out front offices, Dallas got no vote of
the twenty nine people. Green Bay got eleven of twenty
nine right. Eleven people said they're a top five organization.
Saquon Barkley Giants to the Eat Eagles Super Bowl Ring
first year Stafford to the Rams from the Lions Super
(09:05):
Bowl Ring first year, sho Hey O Tawni Angels to
the Dodgers World Series title first year all in the
first year. Some people are just too talented to mire
in dysfunction. And that's what Dallas is. There's a lot
of you hear all this altruism. I am going to
go down with a ship, be loyal. Oh that's nonsense.
(09:29):
You end up like Mike Trout and Barry Sanders. You
end up surrounding yourself with secondary executives, managers, coaches, people
hitting in front of you, left guards blocking for you.
That's why I've said with Joe Burrow, Joe, you got
to talk to your agent and consider demanding a trade. Cincinnati,
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Carson Palmer said enough is enough. So I mean Kevin
Garnett's biggest regret. Remember when he got to the South
he said, my only regret in the NBA I didn't
I didn't leave Minnesota at the time dysfunctional earlier. So
Micah Parsons in this deal should have absolutely no regrets.
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It's one of those Saquon Barkley moves, Matt Stafford moves,
and Shoe Hao Tani moves. He is leaving dysfunction and
an average roster and an average staff and he is
upgrading across the board. And Uncle Colin life rule number
seven or eight, I forgot ride the wave in life.
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Don't fight the current. The packers, they win, they coach,
they draft, they develop. You go to Green Bay. You
ride that momentum, that culture, and that winning wave. Sadly
in Dallas last twenty years for the great players. It
feels like you're fighting a current. All right, j Mac
(10:56):
bringing the energy today tonight there's a fascinating and we
won't spend a ton of time on it, but I
will tell you you and I are on opposite sides tonight.
Yeah on the NFL game.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Wait, why are we not spending a ton of time
on it? It's a great matchup.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
No, No, Seattle goes to Arizona. You like Seattle?
Speaker 5 (11:16):
I do.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I think it is a trap bet. It's the biggest
trap bet on the board. So Seattle in a blowout
win where I mean literally just rested people. So in
an insane win, the easiest win of the year, perhaps
short week division rival against an Arizona team that out
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played and should have beaten San Francisco, but the fans fancy, Uh,
Seahawks blew them out. Niners beat Arizona. If you watch
the Niners game, Arizona had them beat out, gained them
more yards yards per play. Arizona is a tough division rival.
They've always given this to division problems. Now they're at home,
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short week Seahawks. Maybe take their foot off the gas
after a blowout like college level win.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
That's very none of that I can refute. I like it.
My issue is, you know, James Connor is like the
emotional center of that team and he goes down out
for the season. That's a big loss. In addition, their
secondary is real beat up. Will Johnson, the young kid
out of Michigan who's having any time decision. Yeah, he's injured.
And Sam Darnold numbers against the play action have been amazing.
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I think Seattle kind of wins this one handling. I'm
higher than mark out on Seattle. I think they're a
legit well, you.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Know, I like it, threat, you know, I like Seattle.
I think when you played division rivals in loud stadiums
with capable quarterbacks, coming off a lollipop win against the
team that played out play the Niners and lost to me,
it feels so trappy.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
I have some Kyler numbers we'll talk about later against
Seattle last year, hint, they were awful.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Well, the things we build our future around are worth protecting.
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That's Cavino and Rich. Major League Baseball's testing now is
better than ever, and the talent in the sport is
better than ever. And this is unbelievable. The Mariners clinched
the American League West last night. They beat Colorado Cal Rawley,
who's squats. He's a switch hitting catcher. Mostly catchers have
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shorter careers because they're squatting for three and a half hours.
The ability to hit fifty nine and sixty home runs
for that position is unbelievable. He hit two last night.
And here's the play by play of both.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
On the line up in the one.
Speaker 8 (14:46):
One swinging a drive, keep the right field.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Holy Smoke Squares is.
Speaker 8 (14:51):
Gonna land up pertect right field number fifty nine for
cal Raleigh. He is just tied Babe Ruth for the
most home runs in a single season in American League history.
The chance of MVP, MVP, the stretch of the pitch,
the cow swinging a drive, keep the right field there.
(15:12):
It is not for sixty. The modern day bam veto
has just tied Bay Bruces record of sixty home runs
for third all time in American League history. Col Rowley
with his second home run of the ball game fifty
nine in the first number sixty.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
For a catcher to do that is absolutely remarkable. But
you're seeing remarkable all over baseball. The playoffs start Tuesday.
It's a global sport and it's never been this talent rich.
There's four guys now with fifty plus jacks, none of
them on cattle steroids. This sport now is incredibly tested.
(15:54):
Shoe Heeo Tawny is an elite pitcher, hitter, base dealer,
power on base. Every team has multiple guys throwing one
hundred plus miles an hour. The Cincinnati Reds, you used
to have a great team in the seventies. One of
their big tough guys with Johnny Bench. He's four inches
shorter than the current Red shortstop La de la Cruz,
(16:15):
who is an athletic freak. Last season he had almost
seventy stolen bases twenty five dingers. The bottom line here
is for cal Rawly to do what he is doing
for that position is insane. So this year he's the
first catcher to hit sixty, But then again, Shohy last
season was the first player to go fifty to fifty.
Aaron Judge this year just passed Bea and DiMaggio for
(16:38):
the Yankees in an all time Yankee home run list,
and if you put Yogi Barra next to Aaron Judge,
they don't look like the same athlete. So major League
Baseball is The playoffs start Tuesday. I'll take the Brewers
and the Mariners in the World Series. Old timers like
to say, there's a way to play the game. Yes, smarter, faster,
(16:58):
more athletic, ability, more global than ever. You watch those
baseball playoffs. Everybody's throwing ninety nine and up. Everybody can hit,
Catchers have power, pitchers, o taani have. It just kind
of remarkable what's happening in baseball. It is exploded and
baseball has smartly sped the game up, taken away the
(17:22):
defensive shift, more runs, more runners, more stolen bases, more hits.
Incredible talent. I know we like to be romantics in baseball.
Incredible talent in this sport on display every night. Playoffs
again start Tuesday. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
No, no turn on the news. This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Let's start with the struggling Kansas City Chiefs. Colin. They
are not looking very super Bowl ready. One and two
start to the season. Whooped thee Damn do they beat
the Giants and did not look impressive. Patrick Mahomes needs
knows they need to change things up when they go
against Lamar Jackson led offense.
Speaker 9 (18:06):
I think for us, we got to start faster. I
think every game we've we've kind of said that we
haven't really got to do that. And we were moving
the ball early in the game last week, but we
weren't were settling with field goals. And when you play
teams that are that are really good, have dynamic quarterbacks
like the Ravens do, you got to get to turn
those into touchdowns and that that will not only put
pressure on them, but it unleash his spags. They'll be
able to do what he wants to do.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I kind of if it goes to three like Kansas
City here, if Worthy plays, I know it's I know, I.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Love this Xavior Worthy Savior stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I mean, like he's saying Savior, I'm holding a legitimate
number one or two receivers.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
He's not a number one, he's a two, coman two. Listen,
I'm looking at the Chiefs depth chart. Okay, you tell
me which one of these guys is a game breaker. Pacheco,
Kareem Hunt, Hollywood Brown, Travis Kelce, Taekwan Thornton, Noah Greg Colin.
That is like a that's like a Carolina Panthers level
offense right there. That there's no studs there. I'll say
(19:02):
Thornton has looked the best of their scope.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Position guys, well, Baltimore's going to be on a short week.
They've got their own injuries to deal with. Outside of
Dave Flowers, They've they've got tight ends I like, and
I don't think I think they'll play up. I think
this game is going to be low scoring because I
think Kansas City has always done pretty well against Lamar.
They've always done They've always done pretty well against Lamar.
(19:25):
And I think Baltimore will play an incredibly inspired defensive
effort despite limitations, and Kansas City doesn't score a lot.
This game feels twenty three to twenty, twenty four to
twenty one. To me, I'm taking the points in this
rivalry game. Well, I'm Florid.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
You think Kansas City's defense is going to contain Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
No, I think I think Kansas City has the ability
when they face Lamar. Lamar's never played well, he's always
a little tight. Short week. I think Kansas City stays
in game. Kansas City doesn't blow out anybody outside of
Super Bowls, they don't get blown out. I think it's close.
(20:07):
I'm taking the points.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
I think so last week against Russ, they just basically
blitz the hell out of them. We're like, Russ, you
can't do anything.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Well, that's a different game, exactly right.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
So now Spags has to change it up. And again
I'm not bashing the d. It feels like mcguffe's not
off to a great start. The linebackers are not super fast.
We saw Justin Herbert run whenever he wanted against them
for key first downs.
Speaker 8 (20:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
I'm on Ravens here. I think she's go to one
and three. And on Monday morning, we're talking about no
playoffs for your Kansas City Chiefs, and everybody's gonna be
talking about old j Max take from the summer. All right,
let's move on to what do we do? Oh, this
is a good game. Eagles three and oh against Tampa
also three and oh. Now, last season Tampa took down
(20:52):
Philly in Week four, really handled them. But it kind
of deserves an asterisk. No AJ Brown and I don't
think DeVonta Smith played either okay. Heading into this matchup,
Nick Sirianni is traveling to Tampa Friday. The team is
going early to get more acclimated to the weather in Tampa,
your favorite city in America. Speaking of Mark Sanchez on
(21:14):
the rear View pod, Baker Mayfield says, Hey, traveling early,
that ain't gonna help you.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
We'll have a good game plan obviously to try and
tire these guys out. Advantage for us. We're in Tampa.
The heat they're not used to that. I know there's
already been the stories that broke about them coming down
to Tampa a day early. I don't necessarily think that.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Helps them one day.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
It doesn't get you acclimated to this humidity. So I
think honestly it makes them think about it more when
they get down here earlier.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
You know, it's funny you think the heat would be
an advantage. I always thought it was. I worked in
Tampa for two years. It was hottest place I've ever worked,
lightning every afternoon in the summer. But I do think
when you sometimes you take these cold weather teams where
it's already here in the northern areas, it's already cool down,
it's September steamier. If you don't know Tampa and Miami,
(22:07):
it's hard to explain. You know the Saints. It's steamy,
but it's indoors. I think it's an advantage against northern
teams early in September. I do.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Yeah, So I'm looking at the weather. This is courtesy
of weather dot com. High of ninety one on Sunday
in Tampa.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
I think a bigger story is Mike Evans not playing,
Chris Godwin not playing. Essentially, it's the Abuca Show and
Quinjon Mitchell and Cooper Dejan can hand him off. I
think Philly really puts a beat down on the bike side.
I think, say Tampa Bay team that's shirped. And I
had a guy on my podcast who covers the Eagles
this week and he noted that Todd Bowles has had
(22:46):
Jalen Hurts's number. So we got Baker Mayfield talking trash
about the weather, we got Todd Bowles owning Jalen Hurts.
I think the Philadelphia Eagles, they're here at all the
noise Colin, they know Tampa's had our number. He goes by.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I like the Eagles too, I do, I think, And
I also think they've played so poorly in the first half.
That's when you win and play poorly for stretches. It's
a it's a great week of coaching.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Yeah, how long can Tampa dance between the rain drops
and continue to win games? At the buzzer every week? Colin,
come on, they're like three fourth place from being zero
and three.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
You know that, right, Yes, absolutely, it's j Mack with
the news.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
It's you know, I don't want to pick on this team.
I really don't. I want to be positive because tonight
it's Arizona Seattle. Good game and Greg Cosel comes on
in thirty minutes and he you know, he often has
positive messaging for players. But I saw so. The Athletic
did this survey where they survey twenty nine people in
the NFL and executives, GMS and some coaches and first place,
(23:58):
second place, third place, fourth place, fifth place. You had
fifth five opportunities to vote the best front offices in
the NFL. Not coaches vote the best front offices. Here's
the most shocking thing in the entire list of teams
is somebody put the Pittsburgh Steelers as the second best
(24:20):
run front office in the NFL. Who and how that's unbelieving.
You better hope whoever voted him the Steelers number two
isn't your general manager, because it's twenty twenty five that
they have not won a playoff game in eight years.
They are completely toned af to offense. By the way,
Aaron Rodgers, who is the worst quarterback in the league
(24:41):
right now under pressure. The problem is he's often under pressure.
They can't figure out their offensive line. It's been seven years,
so the Steelers offense since twenty twenty is twenty seventh
total offense, twenty three in scoring. It is an offensive league.
And uh, in fact, I saw this. I saw this
story this morning. The Browns and the Titans have more
offense touchdowns from twenty seventeen until today and more playoff
(25:05):
wins than the Steelers. I'm not joking when I say this.
The only thing that gives you hope is well, Tomlin
knows what he's doing, and the defense is very good.
It's not the defense is not playing well, so it
is a it's an incredibly expensive defense, and it's kind
of slid backwards. The last three years. So they've only
(25:25):
had one Pro bowler drafted in five seasons. That's nausey Harris.
He is gone. So I mean, I get writing in
your friend, Like your friend runs for mayor in your
small town, you get him write in vote. You know
nobody can. But if it ever got out that somebody
you voted the Steelers the second best front office in
the league is you have to pray as a fan
(25:46):
that your GM did not vote them, your executive did
not vote. And this is nothing against Tomlin, it's the
whole organization. Mike Tomlin doesn't control the draft. Mike Tomlin,
you could argue, doesn't control the offensive line, which they
can't solved. They cannot solve their offensive line. And I'm
gonna argue they have better than average personnel. So the defense,
(26:10):
I don't know what to say. It's a little old
in spots. There's a bunch of talented people. I think
Minnesota is going to be a handful for them. I
like Minnesota in that game comfortably. Mike Tomlin this week
addressed what so far has been a strangely under performing defense.
Speaker 10 (26:27):
Getting off the feel a lot or frequently enough on defense,
and I think it's altering our time of possession and
oftentimes that dictates how the game is played in a
myriad of ways. Who is somewhat limited with some of
our schematics due to obvious circumstances. I expect us to
continually work and get better in some of those spaces.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
It is interesting there's been this trend that I've talked
about and I've asked people in the league, but if
you look at defensive coaches, they struggle with offensive line play.
I mean, right now, Houston has the worst offensive line.
The Steelers once again have a bad offensive line. We
have defensive head coaches, So I don't really have an
(27:11):
explanation for it. McVeigh, Andy Reid, Sean Payton have shown
the ability time and time again. The Niners, by the way,
have shown the ability with average personnel or in rebuilds
to develop offensive lines very quickly. Great O line, Dan Campbell,
offensive coach Sirianni Philadelphia. And I'm not saying the GMS
(27:32):
don't count, but five of the six top offensive lines
right now according to PFF, and this is an annual reality,
five of the top six offensive lines have offensive coaches.
The exception is Buffalo, who's had Dion Dawkins anchoring at
left tackle, an elite left tackle for years and years,
(27:54):
and he moves their number up. But Buffalo is the exception.
Other than that, top hole lines offensive coaches, many of
the worst O lines defensive coaches. I don't have an explanation,
but it feels like a trend for the last several years.
By the way, Jackson dart is starting this weekend, I'll
have some thoughts on that. And Aaron Rodgers doing it again,
(28:18):
we'll talk about that. Greg Cosel, Top of the Hour,
Can't Wait.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
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Speaker 5 (28:28):
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Speaker 1 (28:48):
Welcome back. I have sympathy. I mean the great news
when you're young, if you stumble early in your career,
you know you have a lot of time to make
it up. You make a big career mistake at fifty seven.
You may not get back into the workforce. You're twenty six,
you're seventeen or eighteen, you're stumbled. You'll be fine, but
(29:09):
it can be disheartening and you can lose a lot
of confidence if your first job is a bad one.
I have sympathy for Jackson Dart. So the Giants are
at home and they're facing the Chargers, and Jim Harbaugh
since he's been the Chargers coach against rookie quarterbacks is
four and zero. They average fourteen points a game and
complete barely sixty percent of their throw So Jim Harball,
(29:32):
like the great coaches, has owned rookie quarterbacks. And I
was never a huge Jackson Dart believer. Felt more like
a mid second round guy to me. But this is
a rough one. The head coach on the hot seat
GM could follow left tackles great Andrew Thomas, he's always
hurt and Monique Malik Neighbors is gifted, but he gets
(29:54):
banged up. So it is remarkable. I lived on the
East Coast for ten years. It is remarkable how far
Big Blue has fallen since Eli Manning retired. And it
wasn't that long ago. They have had ten starting quarterbacks.
That is tied for the most in the league with Cleveland. Man,
that's unbelievable, and they convinced themselves a couple of these
(30:18):
guys were the guy. In fact, in the last eleven seasons,
they're two big years. Twice they've won six games. So
they are not Cleveland. Cleveland's actually right now. You know
they won a playoff game with Baker Mayfield not that
long ago. They're not Cleveland. I mean you start looking
at the lowly franchises, Houston three years ago. No, Houston
found its way. So Jacksonville won a playoff game. So
(30:41):
like they're at the bottom of the league right now.
So and I think they're starting Jackson Dart. One of
the reasons they're starting in is because the owner, mister Mara,
does not want to have a home crowd again chanting Dart,
Dart Dart. I think it's embarrassing for him. He's mentioned
before or that he pays attention to sports radio and
(31:03):
he reads the papers. He's very aware of how New
York fans feel about the situation. So there there was
an I'm not joking, there there was a was it
last year? There was a plane. We looked for a
video we couldn't find it of a banner. Somebody paid
for an actual banner a Giants fan, and that flew
(31:27):
over and it said, mister Mara enough, please fix this
dumpster fire. So it is, I mean it is. It
is bad. Now reportedly Jackson Dart actually is running a
plane this weekend. There's gonna be a few more banners
out there, and uh, you know, one of them is
get me out of here because Jackson Dart. This is
(31:49):
a complete uphill struggle. I mean, honestly, how do you
succeed coach on the hot seat? Haven't won suboptimal general manager,
You're left tackling your star receiver, actually struggle to stay healthy.
I don't know. Here here is Jackson Dart on the start.
(32:12):
I'm ready. So there wasn't anything extra.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
It was really just, you know, now I felt, you know,
it's you always try to say like I'm gonna prepare
eachweak the same, but you know, in all reality.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
You have a different you know, responsibilities as the starter.
So you know, I'm just locked in. Yeah, he I mean,
he's the junior coder who's been hired to overhaul the
software at a company and he's just trying to find
the break room. I this is a total uphill battle.
I honestly feel bad for Jackson Dart. The good news
is the NFL today, and this is actually great news
(32:48):
for quarterbacks. Baker, Gino Darnold, You're gonna get second, third,
and fourth chance. Look at Mac Jones. Mac Jones was
buried in this league, like people were done with Jacksonville
got him. He's from that area. They moved on. So
but I it if you don't have sympathy for some
of these young quarterbacks and some of these situations. Again,
(33:08):
if Andrew Thomas and Neighbors never got banged up, you'd
like be uh oh. Because I went into this year
and I was like, actually, if Jackson Dark can play,
I like their weapon, I like their left tackle. They're
both hurt again, so and I and and I mean again,
here's the Otter issue. Even if Jackson Dart's talented, will
we know with New York because I didn't see anything
(33:29):
with Daniel Jones, like nothing. Daniel Jones is a field
goal underdog in LA against the Rams this weekend. That's
that's a pretty good number. That tells you that the
wise guys are Daniel Jones can play, So if he's good,
can they figure it out? I don't have a I
don't have an answer, but I think this is a
(33:50):
I think the Mara family they just don't want to
hear booing and dart for three and a half hours,
and that's what you were gonna hear. Okay, week four
NFL schedule. He've said this, it is hard in the
NFL to hide your flaws in college you, like I've said,
USC could win this weekend and go five and zero.
I'm not going to know if USC is any good
(34:13):
until they face Oregon in Notason and Notre Dame in
South Bend. But if we could put up the Week
four NFL schedule. In the NFL, it is hard to
hide your flaws. So Seattle, I think tonight it's a
trap game. I'd stay away. Jmack like Seattle. They're clearly
the better team, but it's a short week division rival
on the road in Arizona outplayed the Niners. So we
(34:35):
disagree on that one, right.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
One hundred percent?
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Yeah, you and I both feel strongly that Minnesota is
to play in Dublin against Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Yeah, I was quoting you. The stats before the show.
Pro Football Focus grades out quarterbacks under pressure. Dead last
in the NFL is Aaron Rodgers. He is six for
twenty two passing under pressure with two picks and three
turnover worthy place he is a nightmare. Would you know
Brian Flores tendency Colin. He loves the blitz. They are
top eight in blitz percentage and I think top five
(35:06):
in pressure rate. They're gonna get after Rogers, and I
don't see a world where he's bailed out by Metcalf
and Warren.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I like the Vikings a lot in Dublin. Yeah, it's
one of my stronger plays. We both like Philadelphia at Tampa.
Tampa has escaped average teams Jets and Falcons has really
not played a full game yet, and they don't have
Mike Evans, so they're gonna rely on their rookie receiver
against a Philadelphia team that puts pressure on a quarterback.
We both like Philly.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Yes, Detroit game. Have you seen that number is run
up to ten? It was like eight eight and a half.
Now ten.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I would stay away from that game, although I do
think Cleveland's defense. I told you I watched the Packers
Cleveland game again. That defense for Cleveland's legit. They get
a very pass right, it's totally legit. So they're gonna
They're gonna lose a lot of games, but they're gonna
lose close. The Lions. Listen, Detroit's got in the lea
(36:01):
roster and at home they're really tough.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Remember Cleveland on the road like was fighting with Baltimore
and that next thing, you know, it's forty one ten.
So I suspect something similar happens here. They show well
for a bit and then the Lions open up a
can in the in the third quarter.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
All Right, Carolina at New England, I don't know about
the bat. I probably lean Carolina in the points, but
I think I think New England's the double here.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
So you you've made this point about the Patriots. They
have like a new team. It takes a little while
to jee.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
That's why their penalties and turnovers have been a mess.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Well, what is this the week it clicks against a
team that, Lets be real, Carolina is not good. I
know they won, they won last week, but this isn't
a week to week league. I mean we got to
look big picture, Like I think Christian Gonzales, the Great
cornerback returns this week. Some injuries for the Panthers. Tech
McMillan T mac is banged up.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
We'll see tell from Mike Vrabel's body language on the sidelines.
He knows he's got a young new team. He's not mad,
he's not frustrated. He knows it's a process. New England's
going to be pretty interesting. I still think they're going
to be a wild card team, but they are one
of They have more new guys playing than any team
in the league.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
I'm on the Patriots and we're opposite on that.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Okay, Washington and Atlanta. I don't bet Falcon.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Games time out. The staff said that I need to
come up with an upset. Atlanta is an underdog at home.
Is this an upset? Does that count? Can I go
with the Falcons?
Speaker 1 (37:27):
You know what, I strongly encourage you to bet everything
you own on the Falcons. Please seriously not interested. So
New Orleans at Buffalo, we know who the better team is.
You would suspect that the Saints would play as well
as they can play in Buffalo. You know, is a
team that comes off a dramatic game. I tend to
(37:47):
think that's a stayaway game.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
So let me get this straight. New Orleans plays tough
at home, go to Seattle, get their butts kicked, fly back,
and now have to fly up to play arguably the
best team in the league.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
And yeah, blaffho is gonna win. I'm just not laying.
I'm not laying. You're not laying seventeen quins. I think
the Chargers at New York. I would take the Chargers
to win and cover because again, the Giants' key players
are banged up. I think it's actually the only thing
that worries me. I think it's a pretty low scoring game.
I think there's a lot of good defensive personnel in
(38:20):
this game. The Chargers win, but I don't think it's pretty.
I think the Giants will make it look ugly.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
I know some Chargers season ticket holders in Colin they
were pointing out that Bo Knicks actually had some guys
open against the Chargers there, he just missed the passes.
There was Courtland Sutton late, like that was a go
either way game. I like the Chargers here, but I
am a little nervous. You know, new quarterback, what are
we expecting from Jackson Dart? Like he's a scramble run
around guy. I like the Chargers, but I'm a little nervous.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Okay, I'm not going to talk about Tennessee and Houston.
It's boring the Colts at the Rams. I would probably
take the Colts a sandwich game Niners next week, off
of filled Alia game last week. Those are two big rivals.
They have struggled against the Eagles. I tend to think,
not that they overlook them, but the energy will be low.
I think the Colts have a real roster. I think
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they're for real. I do. I said this last year.
If they can get competent quarterback play, the Colts have
a really good roster, an excellent O line to keep
the Rams D line at Bay. I think it's a
close game. I'll take the Rams to win, but if
I get the hook at three and a half, I'd
take the Colts.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
So you know the game Roulette in Vegas where you
black red and then there's this okay, so you know
people will see, oh, twelve blacks have come up in
a row. I'm just gonna keep betting red. It's got
to eventually go red. I feel like that's me with
the Colts. I want to go against them every week
and Daniel Jones just keeps delivering. But Colin, this week,
I got a good stat for you. Miss tackles is
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tracked as a stat. The Rams lead the NFL with
the lowest number three miss tackles in three games. Okay.
If Jonathan Taylor's not getting loose, okay, and Tyler Warren's
not breaking tackles and Jared Versus in company are getting
after Daniel Jones, I think the Rams. And again I'm
this is a team that led Philly twenty six to seven,
okay before crumbling. I like the Rams here comfortably. Bears
(40:10):
at the Raiders Raiders are passed.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Okay, No, I don't like the Bears coming off this.
Caleb Williams Player of the week. It's like, folks, Caleb
is an inconsistent, erratic player at this point. Don't buy
the hype. The Raiders are coming home. Raiders O line
has struggled, Yes, really struggled. Green Bay at Dallas blowout.
(40:36):
Both of us believe Green Bay wins comfortably pulls away
Monday Night. I'll take the Dolphins at home and the
Broncos at home.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
Wait, did you see Justin Fields? If he's clear from
concussion protocol, he will start, but he has not been
cleared yet. Does that matter to you? Or is Tyrod
Taylor there? They're you know, flex, It doesn't really matter.
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