Colin reacts to Thursday Night Football as Sam Darnold leads the Seahawks to victory, freed from past shackles of bad franchises. Kyler Murray fails to inspire his locker room in Arizona and it's becoming a problem. West coast cool was needed in the Big Ten, and teams like USC and Washington are bringing it. Russell Wilson was benched for Jaxson Dart, and Colin explains how the quarterback has fallen.
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Oh do we have a show today? It is a Friday.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
We are live Flazing five Bounce Back Week, Love the Picks,
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may be and however you may be listening, Thanks for
making us part of your day. Jmac went out on
the town last night, watched the Seahawks with a friend.
A lot of energy, a lot of energy, and I'm
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you know.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I try never to be a Homer.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I try not to be. It's hard, you know, you
grow up with certain teams. But Arroyo, JSN, Kenneth Walker,
Sam Arnold defensive coach, and I do think they have
as good a GM as the league has outside of
Howie Roseman. I see Seattle, I see a lot of talent.
I see a super Bowl capable team. I do after
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that performance last night, making your Super Bowl bubble pick
look kind of sharp?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Huh, kind of did so?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I mean, there's no greater example of where you land
matters than Sam Darnold, USC, Jets, Carolina, Especially Jets and Carolina.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
They asked him at.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
A very young age carry the franchise the last two stops,
good coaches, good roster. Suddenly he's elite, and oh yeah,
he's elite. Last two years, he's tied for the most
wins in the league by a quarterback. He's tied for
the most game winning drives with Patrick Mahome, and he
leads the NFL in big plays. And this is the
second youngest offensive roster. So he's doing it with kids.
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Rookie tight end jsn the rookie from Colorado State Walker
is still young though he's doing it with kids. So
people say, well, at the end of last season, he
got blown out. I've seen Mahomes get blown out in
two Super Bowls. I love Lamar Jackson. I've seen him
freeze in the headlights multiple games in the playoffs. If
you look at what have the Jets and the Panthers
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done since Sam Darnold left, they remain pathetic. Sometimes winners
in life can't elevate every loser.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
High school.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
He was a winner, USC Rose Bowl, he was a winner, Vikings,
He's a winner. Seattle, He's a winner. Nobody can help
the Jets and the Panthers, so like not everybody can elevate,
elevate everything. Four straight seasons with better coaching. Oh, his
completion percentage keeps going up. Leads the NFL in big plays.
When he went to New York, he was ridiculously young.
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He was twenty one years old, and he wasn't ready
for New York. And New York the Jets aren't ready
for any quarterback. So I look at Sam and I
look at this young roster, and I think it's amazing.
We know, oh, Green Bay is a really young roster,
but Jordan loves been in the building for so long.
He's grown with these guys. So Jordan loves young. The
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roster's young, but he's been in the mix for years.
Donald keeps bouncing around to teams everywhere he goes. It
works Minnesota with a veteran left tackle and a veteran
star receiver.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
It worked.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Now he goes to Seattle, the opposite their kid's second
youngest offense in the league, to Green Bay and it
clicks jsn Arroyo. It shows you the work, it shows
you the leadership. You know, I was thinking about this
last night watching him. I actually think Donald has great intangibles.
And I've always said this about Dak Prescott. I don't
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love the arm of Dak. I don't think he throws
the prettiest ball. I think Sam Darnold is Dak with
better tangibles. Both have great intangibles. They're loved by teammates,
one of the guys alpha without the ego. They're both
the kind of the same guy, Dak and Donald. Donald's
got the bigger arm, Donald's the better athlete. Both tough,
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So I don't know. I just look at Sam Donald
and high school USC and Rose Bulls, Seattle, Minnesota. When
you've surrounded him with winners and quality people and quality teammates,
Sam wins a lot, tied for the league lead and wins.
And I think it's impressive that he's doing it with
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Seattle because you know, Minnesota had some older star players.
You can go to a safety, a left tackle, the
star receiver there was, older star players are running back.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
This is a young team.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
He just plopped into Seattle. And it's already working. That
is a much harder win than you think. Division rival,
short week, young team on the road, Arizona's always fight.
Arizona's got a lot of good offensive players. So here
was Mike McDonald, the young head coach, on Sam Donald
don't win last night.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Sam's playing out of his mind right now. And you
see him.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
He's just like just I guess, such a cool customer,
but he's a guy on a mission. He's just so
determined for us to be a great team and a
great offense.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
And he's doing a great job leading us. He certainly is.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And I said yesterday I put the Seahawks in the
Super Bowl bubble. The Athletic came out with this survey
this week judging the best front offices in the NFL,
and it was all the teams that draft and develop. Well,
you can argue that John Snyder is as good a
personnel guy as the NFL has the GM. I mean,
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all I see with Seattle is they just don't miss
they don't miss on a lot of draft picks. And
now they've they've got this young defensive coach kind of
their version of Jesse Minter and Donald's playmaker when you
put him around players and smart coaches. Sam Donald's, he's elite.
So I was watching Kyler Murray last night. I have
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defended Kyler Murray from his first day in the league.
I defended him when the owner called him out for
lack of study habits. I think he's an insane talent.
But I do think privately watching last night, if he
asked the owner and the GM and the head coach
and they could wiggle out of the contract and move.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
On, I think they would.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
He's not terribly verbal. I feel like sometimes he feels detached.
I don't feel like he's obsessed with football, but I
don't know him well enough to have strong opinions. I
will defend his talent forever. But when I see Mahomes
barking at his teammates on the sideline, or Lamar Jackson
is the soul of the offense, or Stafford and McVeigh,
they're totally in sync. And I always watched Kyler Murray
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and I'm like, he's the fifth longest ten year quarterback
in the league.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Fifth, who's he close to? Who's he connected to?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
So I'm watching last night and again I've defended him
the entire time, and he has a market. But there
is something that I think matters. And this is where
I think being.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
One of the guys.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Like a lot of times, I'll watch politicians and I'll
think to myself, Oh, I'd like to have a beer
with that guy, And I always think that's the best
kind of politician. They're smart, they're passionate, they have some courage,
some fortitude, but there's like a relatability thing. Baker Mayfield
is great in close games. Brady, even though he was
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older in New England, great in close games. Darnald starting
to win these close games. Jack's actually through the year's
been pretty good in close games. Why is Kyler Murray
as great as he is? Why is he so bad
in close games? Nineteen thirty two and one and one
score games. Every stat in the fourth quarter goes down.
And I just don't know if he's a unifier. He
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always feels detached. He's not a lead us over the
hill when games get close. When fit hits the shan
in life, people aren't looking for talent, They're looking for guidance.
And I think I think the body language, the head shaking.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Again.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I will defend him and have defended him talent, no question,
He's the best slider.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
He's got a beautiful ball, he move and giving the
baseball background has helped him in football. But Baker is
so great this year in close games because Baker's.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Like, guys, get.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
On my back, I'm leading the way. You can see
it with his body language. And then I watched Kyler
Murray It's just like it's just sort of talented. I
don't know, I don't feel like that he's like a
unifier in this league. I mean that game last night,
they all doesn't it feel like they all end like this?
How many games this year have like ended on the
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final drive Seattle dominates the game, punishing them and have
to need to walk off to win.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
That's the league.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
It's about unity and connectibility and how close you are
and who's going to lead us over the hill. And
that's the Darnold walks into a brand new club with
a bunch of kids, and he feels totally connected to
JSN and Arroyo and Walker and the coaching staff. And
Kyler's just really talented. I mean, his career record when
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trailing by ten points is eight and thirty six and
one like, like if he's not playing well. I feel
like he just shuts it down. I never feel that
with Baker. Baker's a great come from behind quarterback. I
think Kyler's got more talent than Baker, I really do.
But Baker is fighting to the last play. Kyler's eight
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thirty six and one when he gets behind, and I
just there's something about the ability to unify and lead
the way that I always feel like he lacks. And
here he was after the loss.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Wasn't I wasn't clicking, was not clicking. You know, pretty
much can physically dominated whole first half. We just gotta
make more place. We got to goual be ready to go,
you know what I mean. It's like we're just floating, you.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
And it's taking too long.
Speaker 8 (10:03):
You know.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
Obviously there's the resilience of the team is you love
to see it and you feel like, give yourself a
chance to win the game at the end, but it's
just too late.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
There is there a team in the NFL that always
has good players, is in a ton of close games
and just doesn't win a lot of them, more than Arizona.
And I think sometimes you got to say, well, who's
the quarterback, who's the guy taking the snaps late.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
It's not a lack of talent.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
So J Mack, you have been bailing on Kyler Murray
for a long time, and there's been a lot of
reports that he's not obsessed about football and whatever I do,
I think he is.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I don't know. He's certainly good.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
But it was that was one of those games where
I don't know, just the body language, the mannerism. Sometimes
I just kind of feel like when he trails, he bails,
and I think he can't do that as a quarterback.
Speaker 8 (10:55):
That's not a great moniker to slap on him, but
that sounds accurate. Another part of the handicap yesterday, Remember
I really like Seattle. Kyler just can't do anything against Seattle.
I think he's lost like six or seven in Rowe,
some ridiculous number. He just can't generate offense. Now, it's
obviously not all on in The offensive line was bad.
I think he got sacked six times. But I just
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need to ask you, Colin. When Josh Allen runs Buffalo
super dangerous, when Lamar Jackson runs Man Baltimore's tough, why
isn't Kyler Murray running anymore? He basically had five carries,
but one of them was twenty nine yards. So the
rest of the time it's like scrambles. I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I remember I had somebody on our show his rookie year,
because I've been a fan since day one.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I think he's a huge talent, obviously.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah, And it was that defensive lineman in the NFL
that had sacked him, and it was at the end
of his first year, and he goes, he said, Man,
he didn't say it on the air. He set it off.
There's a good player still in the league. He said
he didn't like to get hit. He's a small guy
and he didn't.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Like to get hit. He goes, I've hit a lot
of quarterbacks. He didn't like it.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
He does not like to get and I think some
of it is self preservation.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
He's a smaller athlete.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I mean, it's listen, Josh Allen and Cam Newton and
Big Ben and Philip Rivers. Bigger, thicker guys can take
hits smaller guys. Tua can't take the beating. By the way,
Sam Darnold, my comp for him when he came out
was actually, I got a lot of crap for this
was Andrew Luck. I said, I don't think he's as good.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
As Andrew Luck.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
But I said, I think there's some Andrew Luck last
two years. Look at the numbers, it's Andrew Luck. So
my comp for him. But Andrew Luck, I thought was
a greater transformational talent who could overcome and maybe more
than any quarterback in fifteen years, Andrew Luck could overcome
bad stuff. Sam came into the league at twenty one.
He wasn't as good on the white board. It took
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him a while to develop, but he is becoming. I
thought he was, you know, I hate to say a
poor man's Andrew Luck, but I thought there was a
lot of qualities where he could be reckless. He was tough,
he was physical. He never took blame. He always took blame.
He never pointed fingers. But I think Sam's got the
Dak Pressot intangibles. But he's a really, really good athlete
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with a big arm.
Speaker 8 (13:10):
Yes, so Sam scrambling is effective for Seattle, right.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
He's great with his legs and I get it. Kyler
does run.
Speaker 8 (13:15):
You said he's one of the best sliders in the league.
Colin listen, I want to do whatever's best for my
team to help us win. That should be the vibe.
I don't see him as like a big energy, raw raguy,
which is fine, not everybody is.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
But when you Patrick Mahomes is screwing up, he's on
the sideline fire and everybody up.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I don't see no, yeah, no, I can see how
much Lamar cares. Lamar gets so mad at himself and
he's so hard on himself. And I can see my
homes how much they care.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
And I get.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I just don't feel that and whatever that is and
how much that matters. I mean, I do look at
stats a lot. Why is Kyler so bad when trailing
by Tim? I always said this about Aaron Rodgers in
the body language. Why does Aaron Rodgers have so few
come from hind wins? It's like shocking. Why I always
said Aaron is a little bit more of a Baylor
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than a baller. He's not a fox old guy. I
feel no, and I've always felt that with Kyler. He's
not a fox old guy. He's just really gifted. Aaron's
really gifted.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
There are guys, and I.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Think Baker Mayfield's a great example. That dude plays hard.
Baker plays with a chip on his shoulder down twenty
seven with a minute thirty left, he gives up no
plays and you get in his body language. He gets
mad at himself. I think that stuff does matter, lazing
five and forty five minutes.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
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Speaker 1 (14:33):
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Speaker 1 (15:41):
All right, that's going to be an insane college football weekend.
And I'm reading the headlines this morning. Oregon going to
Penn State. Can they wish stand though wide out against
the nitne Lyons. USC's next three games. The key for
Lincoln Riley and their playoff hulps Ohio State, Washington Gonna
Huskies slow down the Buckeyes. All you heard when Pac
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twelve teams four joined the Big Ten was they are soft.
They will not be able to handle the physicality of
the Big Ten. The weather out here is different. All Oregon,
first year in the conference, won the conference. So this
weekend it's not just a good game, it's a regional statement,
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it's a territory battle. The Ryder Cup is not the
only geographical TETA te this weekend, and I think it's great.
I think the Big Ten needed some flash. West Coast
teams are more creative, they have better quarterbacks, they're more inventive,
they're generally a little more finesse. But I think the
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Big Ten was top heavy and at times plotting. I
do think the Pac twelve Oregon needed to get bigger
up front. USC's felt like a finesse team for two
many years, so I think, and you know, Washington, whenever
they have a good coach, is a really good team.
So I think Buckeye fans will have their first vanilla
cold brew this weekend in Seattle, and I think it's perfect.
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And I think USC fans are going to say, where's
the champagne? Now you don't have any that's the name
of the town. And it's all good. I like the
mesh here. I always thought the Big Ten was top
heavy and then it got slow plotting and needed some speed,
some creativity. And I think the Big the Big Ten
needed these teams. It feels broader, it feels more clever,
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more creative, and I think frankly, USC last year decided
we got to get bigger upfront, and they did need
that and now they are so in a weird way,
joining the Big Ten has made USC a better program.
They're now a run first program, They're not a pass
first team. And Jed Fish, the Huskies coach they host
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the Buckeye, said this weekend, jointly, a Big Ten has
been really good for West Coast teams.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
We could sell that we're going to be playing on
the East Coast, We're gonna be playing in the West Coast,
we're gonna be playing in the Midwest. Well, you know,
there's so many different areas that we'll be able to
attack that people can watch them on TV, we can
natally recruit. We were in the National Championship Game two
years ago, so people know who Washington is. They played
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Michigan on the big stage. We got to find a
way to get back there, to continue to re emphasize
the type of program that we are.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
And they're really they were different sensibilities. I mean, Oregon's
got three hundred and sixteen uniforms, nine helmets, and Penn
State's got exactly one. But it's not like the West
Coast didn't have, you know, tradition. USC's uniforms forget altering those.
When it was suggested drop the Notre Dame game, everybody
freaked out. So but the Big Ten, let's be honest
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about it. It's not the most creative. The quarterback plays
kind of a bridge for years. It's very top heavy.
It needed an infusion of creative, it needed some West
Coast cool. And I think it's helped the conference. And
I think when you plan the Big Ten, you gotta
be bigger upfront.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
And it is forced Oregon and.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
USC to just recruit bigger players who wear well in November.
So I think it's really been an amazing mesh in
my opinion.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Here's j Mack with the.
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Speaker 8 (19:32):
All right, Colin, let's go to the Philadelphia Eagles three
and oh big big showdown with the three and oh
Tampa Bay Bucks in Tampa Sunday at one on Fox.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Outstanding game.
Speaker 8 (19:43):
Colin aj Brown talked about that comeback in the second
half and wants to keep the Eagles aggressive heading into Tampa.
Speaker 9 (19:52):
The goal is to win the game, and obviously we
want to do that first. But like I was just saying,
like I think it just kind of took too long
for us as an offense to adjust and be more
be more aggressive, you know, when one.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Thing's not working.
Speaker 9 (20:08):
I was just saying, like, let's not continue to keep
trying to get our head on the wall and to
see if it is gonna work, and let's let's mix
it up and do what we.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Need to do.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I pulled this game out of my blazing five. This
This was a I do think Philadelphia is the play here,
but I will say you down to steamy Tampa Baker.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
I think Philadelphia is the better team. But Todd Bowles
against Jalen Hurts has been interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I pulled This was the last pick that I.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Pulled out, and I inserted another pick.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
The chicken there, coward, I'm bailing on the Eagles. Okay,
so a couple notes.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
It's well, you know, remember how one of my big
takes is I like what the Patriots did for twenty years.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
It constantly revolving colin as a team.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Right.
Speaker 8 (20:53):
They would be tight end heavy, they would go slot receiver,
running back defense. They won a lot of different ways.
So this Eagles offense, everybody thinks of it as, oh,
it's just push, push and saque. They just showed you
against the Rams. Hey, we can throw the ball if
we need to. But what's underreported is this defense Colin
is unbelievable. They can win now with defense, the run game,
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Hurtz and Brown, Devonte Smith, They've got a great tight
ending Goddard.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Where's the weakness on this team?
Speaker 8 (21:19):
Honestly, I'm just straight up what does what's interesting is there?
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Philadelphia is just a bad matchup for a lot of
teams because they're so good defensively on the defensive line.
Interior between Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter. Rams, as we discovered,
aren't great there. Rams are really good. They need a tall,
physical corner and they need better interior linemen. They were
gonna address both in the draft and they didn't. There
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are teams that match up with Philadelphia. I think Detroit
very good offensive line. I think Detroit matches unwell with them.
But I think Philadelphia and Tampa. I think Tampa actually,
I think they match up better. I think they have
a corner. I think their interior line is better than
the you know, than the Rams. I think this game
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I just had to stay away for me. Yeah, Tampa
at home. Baker the Way's plan it's stay away.
Speaker 8 (22:13):
So did you see that Tampa, by the way, has
signed or brought him up from the practice squad, a
guy who's like four hundred and seventy five pounds, in
an effort to put him next to vite Veya and
stop the tourst push. They're calling him the Church push stopper.
This dude, there's a real thing. Tampa's like strategizing. So
I respect that.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
And like you said, Bowles has bottled.
Speaker 8 (22:30):
Up hurts if you look at their matchups, his schemes
have given him problems.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
I like Tille.
Speaker 8 (22:36):
All right, let's go to the next story. And my Niners.
Remember you made me pivot from the Jets to the
Niners a couple of years ago. They're three and oh
colin interesting situation developing a quarterback. Brock perty quote should
return according to Kyle Shanahan. But is that because Mac
Jones seemingly cannot go. He's limited a practice right now.
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Toe and shoulder for Mac Jones. He got beat up
in that Cardinals game. I want to be on the
Niners here.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Uh. I'm a little nervous.
Speaker 8 (23:07):
Though about this Jacksonville team, because I, for some reason,
I like Jacksonville this season.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I know I can't justify it, yet I always feel
the Niners. I don't bet the Niners very often, if
you really look, I don't. And one of the reasons
I don't is I never know who's playing.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
I don't like to.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I like to go into bets with answers, not questions.
I know they have a great coach, but I don't
know who the quarterback is.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Going to be. You know.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I just when you have old, more brutal players that
you can lose, like without Bosa, it's not the same
defense I did not so I think with the Niners,
I'm always like game time decision, who's playing? When when
I turn the game out, I'm like, okay, he's playing
Kittles back. I can't go into a game where I
don't know who the starting quarterback is. If brought Pertty
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had played in practice all week, I think San Francisco
with well.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Final one on the Niners before we move to the Cowboys.
Speaker 8 (23:59):
I wonder if the Niners are so worried about offense
that they had Robert Salah go out and say, hey,
you know the Jags steal signals on the sideline, which
is like a little brushfire to take it away, the
attention away from the Niners injuries and put it on
the Jags. Interesting subplot. That's a great game. I'm very
excited for that. Long in the afternoon of Fox final
story Colin is Michael Parsons and the return to Dallas. Obviously,
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people are excited that he gets to go against a
beat up offensive line in Dallas and he's going.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
To be chasing around Dak Prescott.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
Here's Dak talking about how the story of the game
should not be about the two friends.
Speaker 10 (24:36):
It'll definitely be fun. Yeah, there's one me and my
fiance are just talking about the other day and just
just all the the reps of practice going against Micah,
you know, in times when he couldn't hit me, whether
him getting back there, just the trash tug back and forth.
Just excited to go and have that match up. But
he's got five guys up front plus tight ends and
running back. Said, he's got to get through, so then
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we'll worry about if you can get to me.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
It is.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
It's a testament to Dak Prescott that as bad as
Dallas's defense with Ceedee Lamb hurt, they're only a touchdown
underdog at home.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
That's a big number roads to cover a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Green Bays offense.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
They scored ten against the Browns.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I mean Browns may.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Have the first, second or third best defense in the league.
Speaker 8 (25:23):
They've played well early final note, wouldn't you appreciate it
if Dak went to the podium and be like, bro,
what do you expect me to do against the Micah?
I out have Ceedee Lamb Like he was just brutally honest. Hey,
Jake Ferguson's nice. Pickens is nice. We're going up against
the machine here, Guys, we're in trouble if you know
what's be honest.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I always thought Pickens. You know, Pickens is a huge talent.
He's good, but when you put him on the field
with Ceedee Lamb, he's not close to Ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Like that tells you.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Like Ceedee Lamb separates on every pass play, like Ceedee
Lamb separates from good corners, Pickens doesn't separate. He's just
long and really strong and physical, but he doesn't separate.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Lamb can run every.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
Route in the route treet okay Pickens is basically his
move is to go route. Remember last year Russell Wilson
would basically just throw him jump balls.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
That was the offense for them. Deep.
Speaker 8 (26:14):
I like Packers a lot. Here, tolland tell me you
included this game.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I don't take this. You you love the big TV games.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
No, those are the ones you don't want to I.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Don't you you. I think this is go into the
weeds on stuff.
Speaker 8 (26:29):
Yeah, but remind me what happened in that playoff game.
Do you remember that Packers Cowboys playoff game?
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah? It was a blowout.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I mean it was from the d was like twenty
eight nothing.
Speaker 8 (26:37):
I would not be shocked if this was the early
Packers Holy smokes.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
All right, J McK of the news.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
So, I mean, the game everybody's talking about. I don't
think it will be the best game, but it is.
It feels big is Baltimore in Kansas City. So I
think we have found officially the limit on how much
even a superstar, legendary quarterback can do. Mahomes maybe one
and three after the weekend. They just don't have any
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juice offensively, and Lamar Babe, maybe one in three after
the weekend. They don't do anything right. Now well defensively,
although they are a little banged up. So we all
know that if you give like average quarterbacks, really good weapons,
good coach, they can feel like a different quarterback. But
even all time greats have limits. And in Mahomes, think
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about this. In Mahomes' last twenty two starts, we look
this up, he has a lower passer rating, lower than
Russell Wilson. So nothing lasts forever. Andy Reid and Belichick
were fired in this league. Brady and Belichick in their
dynasty went in the middle of it, went three years
without winning a playoff game. So I mean, and a
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lot of what has happened to Kansas City, it's not
their fault. They've had weird injuries, Navy or Worthy runs
into Travis Kelce. I've had suspensions by players who get into.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Hit and runs and do really bad things.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
And you know, they've missed on a couple of wide
receivers like Skymore.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Everybody does.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
But I think a lot of times we talk about
this the eye test.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
And yesterday I put.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Up the Super Bowl bubble of you know, the five
or six teams that I feel can win the Super Bowl,
and the one thing they all have in common and
you saw it with Seattle last night. You can see
the energy. There is something that's special. And when I
watch Kansas City, they look a little tired, they look fatigue.
I don't see a lot of dynamic performers. Chris Jones
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in the trenches is good, but trust your eyes. I
just I mean, my team's in the Super Bowl bubble,
and even the two or three surrounding them, there is
something that is exceptional. I don't see exceptional. I think
Andy and Mahomes are all time great, but offensively not
a lot of juice. They come out slow, and I
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gotta see you gotta feel like a baseball pitcher who's
throwing one on one and you're thrown at past people
and I feel like they're a guy throwing sliders in
the low nineties and they're painting the corners and you
you know, Greg Maddox maybe won that way. Most don't.
So I just I think the offense, it's between miss
draft picks they couldn't afford. Joe Tooney, Travis Kelsey getting old,
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weird injury, ridiculous suspension, not that the suspension was ridiculous,
that Rashid Rice's behavior was. I think it just all
adds up to mid or worse than mid last twenty
two games. Mahomes lower passer rating the Russell Wilson who
just got benched.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Here's Mahomes on the evolving offense.
Speaker 11 (29:42):
I understand that these guys can can protect and they
can get me time to make these throws, and I'll
continue to get better and better at that and try
to get make some of these throws more accurate down
the field and then instead of hitting one to two
a game, making that three to four in five to six,
and then defense was back up and it will help
us out with other stuff within the offense. You got
to be able to execute and show the showcase that
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you can hit those throws. And if you do that,
they'll adjust and then we have to adjust as well.
And so that's what's beautiful about the NFL is you
have to be able to adjust on the fly and
make things happen.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Again.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I think Mahomes is carrying a very average unit, and
we talked about it this week. When you pay the quarterback,
one of the reasons Tampa and Seattle are so good.
They've got really good quarterbacks playing at real team friendly deals.
When you pay Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, you have holes.
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You're just you're going to have to give up special players.
If Joe Tooney was still on this team, maybe the
offensive line would look different. But he's not, and it doesn't.
So you know it's I said this the other day,
j Mac. For about three to four years, it felt
like the AFC the best were way better than the NFC.
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Then you had to pay Lamar, Then you had to
pay Josh, Then you had to pay Mahomes, you had
to pay Trevor Lawrence, you had to.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Pay all the quarterbacks, Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Now those teams had to make sacrifices on personnel. So
now the NFC has got really good quarterbacks on much
more team friendly deals like Baker, like Darnold, so like
Jaden Daniels, who's a rookie. So what you're seeing now
is and Jalen Hurdsteel's pretty team friendly. So what you're
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seeing now is the better quarterbacks maybe in the AFC.
The better roster teams, the better teams and rosters are
on the network called Foxy. The deeper rosters, Detroit roster rams, rosters,
Philly's roster. They when you get, you know, either a
young quarterback, a rookie quarterback deal, or more favorable deal.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
You just get more good players.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
That was my favorite take of years.
Speaker 8 (31:55):
This week, I want to add there's a couple cross
conference matchups this week to watch Colt Rams.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Are the Colts for real? Are they frauds? We don't know.
Speaker 8 (32:03):
We'll kind of find out Rams are good. Right, you
got Browns Lions. You seem to think the Browns defense
is good. We do, We'll see. And then there was
one other one. I'm spacing on it now, but it
seems like, you know, there are only six teams in
the AFC with winning records that could be down to
like four after this weekend.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Honestly, if that two and one teams go down, it's like.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yeah, I'm betting on an AFC team this weekend to
win convincingly that I think they're one of the only
teams left that is really good and it hasn't shown it.
And if they don't show it this weekend, then they're not good.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
You can't. You can't go a month and not be good.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Oh, I know, there is one team in the AFC
I actually think is really really good and they've sputtered
around and played with their food. I think it changes
this weekend, but if it doesn't, then I was wrong
and I'm done with them. Blazing five top of the hour,
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Speaker 1 (33:24):
Then it's USC Illinois only on Fox. You know, it's
so funny. Lincoln Riley has this you know this reputation.
Well you kind of fines and they pass a lot.
Usc is running the ball at a fifty five percent clip.
They're a run team. They've got good receivers. But USC
is a run team. Illinois is a man to man defense,
heavy blitz team. It'll be very interesting. The Aligni's back
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end is all beat up. They lost a player for
the year, so I'm not I think USC may go
to the air in this one because generally, if you
look at what Illinois does defensively, they put people in
the box.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
They bring heat.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
But it's funny to watch that. Lincoln Riley's got this reputation.
And I used to watch Oklahoma. Everybody thought I he
was throwing the ball around. I thought it was the
power run game at Oklahoma and the complimentary pass game.
I think Caleb Williams made you think that USC and
Lincoln Riley, it made you know. It made Caleb Williams
individually made you think Lincoln Riley love to pass. He
actually likes to run the ball. If you watch USC
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play this year, they are a run first team. They've
got excellent running back. Then probably the deepest part of
this team is they can go four deep at running back.
That's what they're great at. They've got two really good receivers,
and then they have to play a freshman. They're not
terribly deep at wide receiver. They want to run the football.
They and and because they blew leads last year. They
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blew leads last year because their offensive line wasn't very good.
This year it's much better. It's still super young, so
Illinois is going to blitz the hell out of them
and say, let's see if your freshman in red shirt
sophomores can block. That's what That's what Illinois is gonna do.
They're gonna bring a ton of pressure and USC. They
want to crowd the box, make USC throw, make Jaden
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Mayova make mistakes. But I do think it's funny this
whole idea of like Lincoln Riley's throw the ball guy.
This team is a run first team at Oklahoma, they
ran the ball.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
That's not who he is.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
So I thought it was interesting last night on the
Amazon broadcast. Generally speaking, this is the way it works.
Most former pro athletes, Peyton Manning is a great example,
don't like to criticize current pro athletes. Tom Brady doesn't
like to criticize pro athletes. He'll criticize a coach an organization.
But you know, most of these guys, there's a brotherhood,
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and you just you don't like to bring the hammer
on players. You kind of soft pedal it or maneuver
around the harshness. Except Russell Wilson. So Tony Gonzalez last night,
and Tony's a nice guy and not super opinionated. He's like,
if there's ever been a guy who's played himself out
of the Hall of Fame, Tony Gonzalez said, it's Russell Wilson,
and I mean Richard Sherman.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Backed him up.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
He said without that legendary defense and Seattle look at
the truth. I think what happened with Russell Wilson is weird.
He went from eight years Pro Bowls, maybe the most
talked about quarterback in the league not named Brady. I mean,
Seahawks were like the story four years in the league,
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but it didn't get along with Sean Payton. His college
coach at North Carolina State benched him. Pete Carroll got
tired of him, Pittsburgh was one and done, and now
his coach is benching him at zhen to three. And
I by the way, I've never seen a quarterback get
criticized more often publicly than Russell Wilson. And my takeaway
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is there's a cringy, corny, kind of inauthentic field that
players just don't like. Almost like, you know, I don't
know how to put it, like he acts the way
a quarterback should act, but it doesn't feel terribly authentic.
I mean, didn't have a lot of players at his wedding.
He's not that close with a lot of players. Whatever,
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it just doesn't work but I think, you know, if
he hands the ball off to Marshawn Lynch in Super
Bowl forty nine, he's probably a Hall of Famer. That
was a big discussion this week. Now I don't think
he is, but I think the big the big issue
came down to this is that in Seattle, the Seahawks
were great for about six seven years. But they were
great for a lot of reasons. It was a collective
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Marshawn Lynch, Pete Carroll's energy, the legion of Boom, the
twelfth Man in the fans, John Snyder's drafting, you know,
Marshawn Lynch and Russell Wilson. There was a lot of
reasons they were great. Russell Wilson was getting star treatment.
I think it felt like to his teammates he wanted
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super star treatment and he was a star of the team.
But Marshawn Lynch is every bit as good at his position,
and that defense is legendarily, historically great. And the only
thing I've ever been able to put my finger on
with the dynamic in Seattle is that that great Seattle
team was a collective of coaching and GMing and Marshawn
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Lynch and the defense in the outstanding corners, and Russell
was a star, but his teammates felt like he wanted
superstar treatment, and it just it never felt right. That's
the only way I can describe it. Maybe a little
bit of a lack of self awareness.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I just it's just a weird career from way up
here to suddenly nobody wants to coach him long term
without a big injury.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
It's weird.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
It's one of the strangest things I've ever Three years ago,
I just couldn't figure it out at all. Now I
think I've wrapped my brain around.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
It at some point.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
It's you know, like that self awareness in your own office,
which I defended initially, and Sean Payton's like, no, and
it's just a disconnect. I mean, he still has a
great deal of confidence about his ability.
Speaker 12 (38:57):
I think for me personally, you know, as well as
I'm not done. I got so much belief in myself
and no capable of I believe I was able to show,
especially you know on the road in Dallas and everything else.
I know that can help this football team, you know,
if that comes up.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
He went from kind of underrated, undervalued to instantly in
Denver overrated, overvalued, with no major injury. It generally, if
you plan this league for ten years, fans have a
beat on you, Media's got a beat on you. I'm
from the Pacific Northwest. I watched every one of his games.
I thought I had a beat on him, and then
I didn't fast like it just turned now it's gone downhill.
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As last eight starts, he's own eight, so that's including
the playoffs, he's own eight. Giants and Steelers. I don't
think they're great fits. I think their organization. One is
tone deaf to offense Pittsburgh, and the other one didn't
have a lot going for at the Giants, but it is.
It has been an incredible career. But there was a
big debate this week when he got benched, as he
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a Hall of Famer, and I tend to think when
you have a career that ends poorly, you had to
be unbelievable in the meat of it, and Aaron Rodgers
it may not end well. But for like eleven years,
there was a sense he was the best quarterback in
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the league and he was putting up those kind of numbers.
There was about eight years with Russell he was really good.
But Aaron didn't have that kind of run game. Aaron
didn't have that kind of defense. You could argue Aaron
didn't have that kind of coaching. Aaron didn't have that
kind of twelfth man like Seattle. That roster. That roster
in Seattle for about five years was like a notch
above the second best roster in the league. Aaron's never
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had that. So Aaron's you know, in Green Bay, where
you don't have a lot of free agents. The coach
Mike McCarthy wasn't beloved. He never had great run games,
with the exception of the one year he won a
Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Aaron didn't have a lot of great defenses. Russ had
all of it.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
And so when it comes to Hall of Fame, I
have to think about that. In your what were you
surrounded by? Russ had an All Star team. It's a
little bit like Jalen Hurts. Like Jalen Hurts in his
prime is surrounded with a completely stacked roster. And if
we look in eight, ten, nine, eleven years with Jalen
Hurts and we consider the you know, the totality of
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his career, is he a Hall of Famer? What was
he surrounded by in his prime? We all know Aaron
Rodgers is a Hall of Famer. The best argument for
Aaron's greatness is did he ever have a great coach?
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Did he ever have a great defense? Did he ever
have a great run game?
Speaker 1 (41:28):
And until he got Matt Lafleur, I could argue no,
he kind of carried Green Bay for years. The Hall
of Fame thing is Russell was never really asked to
carry a team. Brady had to carry some pretty lean
defenses at the year. Brady, outside of the Randy Moss years,
had to carry a lot of average receiving course. I mean,
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let's be honest, he didn't.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Have a lot to work with.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Outside of the you know, Gronk and his prime Randy
Moss Edelman late Tom carried a lot of average offensive personnel.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
The Holmes has won Super Bowls in the.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Last three years, very offensively limited. You know, russ had
an all star team in his prime, and Denver's not
an all star team, Pittsburgh's not, the Giants aren't.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
And here's what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I think you have to consider all that stuff, all right,
lazing five, I like favorites this weekend, some big, some small,
but favorites doing pretty well weird weekend. I don't think
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
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A lot of energy, a lot of energy, and I'm
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you know.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I try never to be a Homer.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I try not to be. It's hard, you know, you
grow up with certain teams. But Arroyo, JSN, Kenneth Walker,
Sam Arnold defensive coach, and I do think they have
as good a GM as the league has outside of
Howie Roseman. I see Seattle, I see a lot of talent.
I see a super Bowl capable team. I do after
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that performance last night, making your Super Bowl bubble pick
look kind of sharp?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Huh, kind of did so?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I mean, there's no greater example of where you land
matters than Sam Darnold, USC, Jets, Carolina, Especially Jets and Carolina.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
They asked him at.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
A very young age carry the franchise the last two stops,
good coaches, good roster. Suddenly he's elite, and oh yeah,
he's elite. Last two years, he's tied for the most
wins in the league by a quarterback. He's tied for
the most game winning drives with Patrick Mahome, and he
leads the NFL in big plays. And this is the
second youngest offensive roster. So he's doing it with kids.
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Rookie tight end jsn the rookie from Colorado State Walker
is still young though he's doing it with kids. So
people say, well, at the end of last season, he
got blown out. I've seen Mahomes get blown out in
two Super Bowls. I love Lamar Jackson. I've seen him
freeze in the headlights multiple games in the playoffs. If
you look at what have the Jets and the Panthers
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done since Sam Darnold left, they remain pathetic. Sometimes winners
in life can't elevate every loser.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
High school.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
He was a winner, USC Rose Bowl, he was a winner, Vikings,
He's a winner. Seattle, He's a winner. Nobody can help
the Jets and the Panthers, so like not everybody can elevate,
elevate everything. Four straight seasons with better coaching. Oh, his
completion percentage keeps going up. Leads the NFL in big plays.
When he went to New York, he was ridiculously young.
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He was twenty one years old, and he wasn't ready
for New York. And New York the Jets aren't ready
for any quarterback. So I look at Sam and I
look at this young roster, and I think it's amazing.
We know, oh, Green Bay is a really young roster,
but Jordan loves been in the building for so long.
He's grown with these guys. So Jordan loves young. The
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roster's young, but he's been in the mix for years.
Donald keeps bouncing around to teams everywhere he goes. It
works Minnesota with a veteran left tackle and a veteran
star receiver.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
It worked.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Now he goes to Seattle, the opposite their kid's second
youngest offense in the league, to Green Bay and it
clicks jsn Arroyo. It shows you the work, it shows
you the leadership. You know, I was thinking about this
last night watching him. I actually think Donald has great intangibles.
And I've always said this about Dak Prescott. I don't
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love the arm of Dak. I don't think he throws
the prettiest ball. I think Sam Darnold is Dak with
better tangibles. Both have great intangibles. They're loved by teammates,
one of the guys alpha without the ego. They're both
the kind of the same guy, Dak and Donald. Donald's
got the bigger arm, Donald's the better athlete. Both tough,
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So I don't know. I just look at Sam Donald
and high school USC and Rose Bulls, Seattle, Minnesota. When
you've surrounded him with winners and quality people and quality teammates,
Sam wins a lot, tied for the league lead and wins.
And I think it's impressive that he's doing it with
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Seattle because you know, Minnesota had some older star players.
You can go to a safety, a left tackle, the
star receiver there was, older star players are running back.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
This is a young team.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
He just plopped into Seattle. And it's already working. That
is a much harder win than you think. Division rival,
short week, young team on the road, Arizona's always fight.
Arizona's got a lot of good offensive players. So here
was Mike McDonald, the young head coach, on Sam Donald
don't win last night.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Sam's playing out of his mind right now. And you
see him.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
He's just like just I guess, such a cool customer,
but he's a guy on a mission. He's just so
determined for us to be a great team and a
great offense.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
And he's doing a great job leading us. He certainly is.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And I said yesterday I put the Seahawks in the
Super Bowl bubble. The Athletic came out with this survey
this week judging the best front offices in the NFL,
and it was all the teams that draft and develop. Well,
you can argue that John Snyder is as good a
personnel guy as the NFL has the GM. I mean,
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all I see with Seattle is they just don't miss
they don't miss on a lot of draft picks. And
now they've they've got this young defensive coach kind of
their version of Jesse Minter and Donald's playmaker when you
put him around players and smart coaches. Sam Donald's, he's elite.
So I was watching Kyler Murray last night. I have
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defended Kyler Murray from his first day in the league.
I defended him when the owner called him out for
lack of study habits. I think he's an insane talent.
But I do think privately watching last night, if he
asked the owner and the GM and the head coach
and they could wiggle out of the contract and move.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
On, I think they would.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
He's not terribly verbal. I feel like sometimes he feels detached.
I don't feel like he's obsessed with football, but I
don't know him well enough to have strong opinions. I
will defend his talent forever. But when I see Mahomes
barking at his teammates on the sideline, or Lamar Jackson
is the soul of the offense, or Stafford and McVeigh,
they're totally in sync. And I always watched Kyler Murray
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and I'm like, he's the fifth longest ten year quarterback
in the league.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Fifth, who's he close to? Who's he connected to?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
So I'm watching last night and again I've defended him
the entire time, and he has a market. But there
is something that I think matters. And this is where
I think being.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
One of the guys.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Like a lot of times, I'll watch politicians and I'll
think to myself, Oh, I'd like to have a beer
with that guy, And I always think that's the best
kind of politician. They're smart, they're passionate, they have some courage,
some fortitude, but there's like a relatability thing. Baker Mayfield
is great in close games. Brady, even though he was
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older in New England, great in close games. Darnald starting
to win these close games. Jack's actually through the year's
been pretty good in close games. Why is Kyler Murray
as great as he is? Why is he so bad
in close games? Nineteen thirty two and one and one
score games. Every stat in the fourth quarter goes down.
And I just don't know if he's a unifier. He
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always feels detached. He's not a lead us over the
hill when games get close. When fit hits the shan
in life, people aren't looking for talent, They're looking for guidance.
And I think I think the body language, the head shaking.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Again.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I will defend him and have defended him talent, no question,
He's the best slider.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
He's got a beautiful ball, he move and giving the
baseball background has helped him in football. But Baker is
so great this year in close games because Baker's.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Like, guys, get.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
On my back, I'm leading the way. You can see
it with his body language. And then I watched Kyler
Murray It's just like it's just sort of talented. I
don't know, I don't feel like that he's like a
unifier in this league. I mean that game last night,
they all doesn't it feel like they all end like this?
How many games this year have like ended on the
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final drive Seattle dominates the game, punishing them and have
to need to walk off to win.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
That's the league.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
It's about unity and connectibility and how close you are
and who's going to lead us over the hill. And
that's the Darnold walks into a brand new club with
a bunch of kids, and he feels totally connected to
JSN and Arroyo and Walker and the coaching staff. And
Kyler's just really talented. I mean, his career record when
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trailing by ten points is eight and thirty six and
one like, like if he's not playing well. I feel
like he just shuts it down. I never feel that
with Baker. Baker's a great come from behind quarterback. I
think Kyler's got more talent than Baker, I really do.
But Baker is fighting to the last play. Kyler's eight
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thirty six and one when he gets behind, and I
just there's something about the ability to unify and lead
the way that I always feel like he lacks. And
here he was after the loss.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Wasn't I wasn't clicking, was not clicking. You know, pretty
much can physically dominated whole first half. We just gotta
make more place. We got to goual be ready to go,
you know what I mean. It's like we're just floating, you.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
And it's taking too long.
Speaker 8 (10:03):
You know.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
Obviously there's the resilience of the team is you love
to see it and you feel like, give yourself a
chance to win the game at the end, but it's
just too late.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
There is there a team in the NFL that always
has good players, is in a ton of close games
and just doesn't win a lot of them, more than Arizona.
And I think sometimes you got to say, well, who's
the quarterback, who's the guy taking the snaps late.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
It's not a lack of talent.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
So J Mack, you have been bailing on Kyler Murray
for a long time, and there's been a lot of
reports that he's not obsessed about football and whatever I do,
I think he is.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I don't know. He's certainly good.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
But it was that was one of those games where
I don't know, just the body language, the mannerism. Sometimes
I just kind of feel like when he trails, he bails,
and I think he can't do that as a quarterback.
Speaker 8 (10:55):
That's not a great moniker to slap on him, but
that sounds accurate. Another part of the handicap yesterday, Remember
I really like Seattle. Kyler just can't do anything against Seattle.
I think he's lost like six or seven in Rowe,
some ridiculous number. He just can't generate offense. Now, it's
obviously not all on in The offensive line was bad.
I think he got sacked six times. But I just
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need to ask you, Colin. When Josh Allen runs Buffalo
super dangerous, when Lamar Jackson runs Man Baltimore's tough, why
isn't Kyler Murray running anymore? He basically had five carries,
but one of them was twenty nine yards. So the
rest of the time it's like scrambles. I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I remember I had somebody on our show his rookie year,
because I've been a fan since day one.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I think he's a huge talent, obviously.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah, And it was that defensive lineman in the NFL
that had sacked him, and it was at the end
of his first year, and he goes, he said, Man,
he didn't say it on the air. He set it off.
There's a good player still in the league. He said
he didn't like to get hit. He's a small guy
and he didn't.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Like to get hit. He goes, I've hit a lot
of quarterbacks. He didn't like it.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
He does not like to get and I think some
of it is self preservation.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
He's a smaller athlete.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I mean, it's listen, Josh Allen and Cam Newton and
Big Ben and Philip Rivers. Bigger, thicker guys can take
hits smaller guys. Tua can't take the beating. By the way,
Sam Darnold, my comp for him when he came out
was actually, I got a lot of crap for this
was Andrew Luck. I said, I don't think he's as good.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
As Andrew Luck.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
But I said, I think there's some Andrew Luck last
two years. Look at the numbers, it's Andrew Luck. So
my comp for him. But Andrew Luck, I thought was
a greater transformational talent who could overcome and maybe more
than any quarterback in fifteen years, Andrew Luck could overcome
bad stuff. Sam came into the league at twenty one.
He wasn't as good on the white board. It took
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him a while to develop, but he is becoming. I
thought he was, you know, I hate to say a
poor man's Andrew Luck, but I thought there was a
lot of qualities where he could be reckless. He was tough,
he was physical. He never took blame. He always took blame.
He never pointed fingers. But I think Sam's got the
Dak Pressot intangibles. But he's a really, really good athlete
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with a big arm.
Speaker 8 (13:10):
Yes, so Sam scrambling is effective for Seattle, right.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
He's great with his legs and I get it. Kyler
does run.
Speaker 8 (13:15):
You said he's one of the best sliders in the league.
Colin listen, I want to do whatever's best for my
team to help us win. That should be the vibe.
I don't see him as like a big energy, raw raguy,
which is fine, not everybody is.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
But when you Patrick Mahomes is screwing up, he's on
the sideline fire and everybody up.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I don't see no, yeah, no, I can see how
much Lamar cares. Lamar gets so mad at himself and
he's so hard on himself. And I can see my
homes how much they care.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
And I get.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I just don't feel that and whatever that is and
how much that matters. I mean, I do look at
stats a lot. Why is Kyler so bad when trailing
by Tim? I always said this about Aaron Rodgers in
the body language. Why does Aaron Rodgers have so few
come from hind wins? It's like shocking. Why I always
said Aaron is a little bit more of a Baylor
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than a baller. He's not a fox old guy. I
feel no, and I've always felt that with Kyler. He's
not a fox old guy. He's just really gifted. Aaron's
really gifted.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
There are guys, and I.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Think Baker Mayfield's a great example. That dude plays hard.
Baker plays with a chip on his shoulder down twenty
seven with a minute thirty left, he gives up no
plays and you get in his body language. He gets
mad at himself. I think that stuff does matter, lazing
five and forty five minutes.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I like it. It's a Favorites weekend.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I like it.
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Speaker 1 (15:41):
All right, that's going to be an insane college football weekend.
And I'm reading the headlines this morning. Oregon going to
Penn State. Can they wish stand though wide out against
the nitne Lyons. USC's next three games. The key for
Lincoln Riley and their playoff hulps Ohio State, Washington Gonna
Huskies slow down the Buckeyes. All you heard when Pac
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twelve teams four joined the Big Ten was they are soft.
They will not be able to handle the physicality of
the Big Ten. The weather out here is different. All Oregon,
first year in the conference, won the conference. So this
weekend it's not just a good game, it's a regional statement,
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it's a territory battle. The Ryder Cup is not the
only geographical TETA te this weekend, and I think it's great.
I think the Big Ten needed some flash. West Coast
teams are more creative, they have better quarterbacks, they're more inventive,
they're generally a little more finesse. But I think the
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Big Ten was top heavy and at times plotting. I
do think the Pac twelve Oregon needed to get bigger
up front. USC's felt like a finesse team for two
many years, so I think, and you know, Washington, whenever
they have a good coach, is a really good team.
So I think Buckeye fans will have their first vanilla
cold brew this weekend in Seattle, and I think it's perfect.
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And I think USC fans are going to say, where's
the champagne? Now you don't have any that's the name
of the town. And it's all good. I like the
mesh here. I always thought the Big Ten was top
heavy and then it got slow plotting and needed some speed,
some creativity. And I think the Big the Big Ten
needed these teams. It feels broader, it feels more clever,
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more creative, and I think frankly, USC last year decided
we got to get bigger upfront, and they did need
that and now they are so in a weird way,
joining the Big Ten has made USC a better program.
They're now a run first program, They're not a pass
first team. And Jed Fish, the Huskies coach they host
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the Buckeye, said this weekend, jointly, a Big Ten has
been really good for West Coast teams.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
We could sell that we're going to be playing on
the East Coast, We're gonna be playing in the West Coast,
we're gonna be playing in the Midwest. Well, you know,
there's so many different areas that we'll be able to
attack that people can watch them on TV, we can
natally recruit. We were in the National Championship Game two
years ago, so people know who Washington is. They played
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Michigan on the big stage. We got to find a
way to get back there, to continue to re emphasize
the type of program that we are.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
And they're really they were different sensibilities. I mean, Oregon's
got three hundred and sixteen uniforms, nine helmets, and Penn
State's got exactly one. But it's not like the West
Coast didn't have, you know, tradition. USC's uniforms forget altering those.
When it was suggested drop the Notre Dame game, everybody
freaked out. So but the Big Ten, let's be honest
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about it. It's not the most creative. The quarterback plays
kind of a bridge for years. It's very top heavy.
It needed an infusion of creative, it needed some West
Coast cool. And I think it's helped the conference. And
I think when you plan the Big Ten, you gotta
be bigger upfront.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
And it is forced Oregon and.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
USC to just recruit bigger players who wear well in November.
So I think it's really been an amazing mesh in
my opinion.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Here's j Mack with the.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
News, No turns, this is the Herdline News.
Speaker 8 (19:32):
All right, Colin, let's go to the Philadelphia Eagles three
and oh big big showdown with the three and oh
Tampa Bay Bucks in Tampa Sunday at one on Fox.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Outstanding game.
Speaker 8 (19:43):
Colin aj Brown talked about that comeback in the second
half and wants to keep the Eagles aggressive heading into Tampa.
Speaker 9 (19:52):
The goal is to win the game, and obviously we
want to do that first. But like I was just saying,
like I think it just kind of took too long
for us as an offense to adjust and be more
be more aggressive, you know, when one.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Thing's not working.
Speaker 9 (20:08):
I was just saying, like, let's not continue to keep
trying to get our head on the wall and to
see if it is gonna work, and let's let's mix
it up and do what we.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Need to do.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I pulled this game out of my blazing five. This
This was a I do think Philadelphia is the play here,
but I will say you down to steamy Tampa Baker.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
I think Philadelphia is the better team. But Todd Bowles
against Jalen Hurts has been interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I pulled This was the last pick that I.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Pulled out, and I inserted another pick.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
The chicken there, coward, I'm bailing on the Eagles. Okay,
so a couple notes.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
It's well, you know, remember how one of my big
takes is I like what the Patriots did for twenty years.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
It constantly revolving colin as a team.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Right.
Speaker 8 (20:53):
They would be tight end heavy, they would go slot receiver,
running back defense. They won a lot of different ways.
So this Eagles offense, everybody thinks of it as, oh,
it's just push, push and saque. They just showed you
against the Rams. Hey, we can throw the ball if
we need to. But what's underreported is this defense Colin
is unbelievable. They can win now with defense, the run game,
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Hurtz and Brown, Devonte Smith, They've got a great tight
ending Goddard.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Where's the weakness on this team?
Speaker 8 (21:19):
Honestly, I'm just straight up what does what's interesting is there?
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Philadelphia is just a bad matchup for a lot of
teams because they're so good defensively on the defensive line.
Interior between Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter. Rams, as we discovered,
aren't great there. Rams are really good. They need a tall,
physical corner and they need better interior linemen. They were
gonna address both in the draft and they didn't. There
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are teams that match up with Philadelphia. I think Detroit
very good offensive line. I think Detroit matches unwell with them.
But I think Philadelphia and Tampa. I think Tampa actually,
I think they match up better. I think they have
a corner. I think their interior line is better than
the you know, than the Rams. I think this game
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I just had to stay away for me. Yeah, Tampa
at home. Baker the Way's plan it's stay away.
Speaker 8 (22:13):
So did you see that Tampa, by the way, has
signed or brought him up from the practice squad, a
guy who's like four hundred and seventy five pounds, in
an effort to put him next to vite Veya and
stop the tourst push. They're calling him the Church push stopper.
This dude, there's a real thing. Tampa's like strategizing. So
I respect that.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
And like you said, Bowles has bottled.
Speaker 8 (22:30):
Up hurts if you look at their matchups, his schemes
have given him problems.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
I like Tille.
Speaker 8 (22:36):
All right, let's go to the next story. And my Niners.
Remember you made me pivot from the Jets to the
Niners a couple of years ago. They're three and oh
colin interesting situation developing a quarterback. Brock perty quote should
return according to Kyle Shanahan. But is that because Mac
Jones seemingly cannot go. He's limited a practice right now.
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Toe and shoulder for Mac Jones. He got beat up
in that Cardinals game. I want to be on the
Niners here.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Uh. I'm a little nervous.
Speaker 8 (23:07):
Though about this Jacksonville team, because I, for some reason,
I like Jacksonville this season.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I know I can't justify it, yet I always feel
the Niners. I don't bet the Niners very often, if
you really look, I don't. And one of the reasons
I don't is I never know who's playing.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
I don't like to.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I like to go into bets with answers, not questions.
I know they have a great coach, but I don't
know who the quarterback is.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Going to be. You know.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I just when you have old, more brutal players that
you can lose, like without Bosa, it's not the same
defense I did not so I think with the Niners,
I'm always like game time decision, who's playing? When when
I turn the game out, I'm like, okay, he's playing
Kittles back. I can't go into a game where I
don't know who the starting quarterback is. If brought Pertty
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had played in practice all week, I think San Francisco
with well.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Final one on the Niners before we move to the Cowboys.
Speaker 8 (23:59):
I wonder if the Niners are so worried about offense
that they had Robert Salah go out and say, hey,
you know the Jags steal signals on the sideline, which
is like a little brushfire to take it away, the
attention away from the Niners injuries and put it on
the Jags. Interesting subplot. That's a great game. I'm very
excited for that. Long in the afternoon of Fox final
story Colin is Michael Parsons and the return to Dallas. Obviously,
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people are excited that he gets to go against a
beat up offensive line in Dallas and he's going.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
To be chasing around Dak Prescott.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
Here's Dak talking about how the story of the game
should not be about the two friends.
Speaker 10 (24:36):
It'll definitely be fun. Yeah, there's one me and my
fiance are just talking about the other day and just
just all the the reps of practice going against Micah,
you know, in times when he couldn't hit me, whether
him getting back there, just the trash tug back and forth.
Just excited to go and have that match up. But
he's got five guys up front plus tight ends and
running back. Said, he's got to get through, so then
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we'll worry about if you can get to me.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
It is.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
It's a testament to Dak Prescott that as bad as
Dallas's defense with Ceedee Lamb hurt, they're only a touchdown
underdog at home.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
That's a big number roads to cover a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Green Bays offense.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
They scored ten against the Browns.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I mean Browns may.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Have the first, second or third best defense in the league.
Speaker 8 (25:23):
They've played well early final note, wouldn't you appreciate it
if Dak went to the podium and be like, bro,
what do you expect me to do against the Micah?
I out have Ceedee Lamb Like he was just brutally honest. Hey,
Jake Ferguson's nice. Pickens is nice. We're going up against
the machine here, Guys, we're in trouble if you know
what's be honest.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I always thought Pickens. You know, Pickens is a huge talent.
He's good, but when you put him on the field
with Ceedee Lamb, he's not close to Ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Like that tells you.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Like Ceedee Lamb separates on every pass play, like Ceedee
Lamb separates from good corners, Pickens doesn't separate. He's just
long and really strong and physical, but he doesn't separate.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Lamb can run every.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
Route in the route treet okay Pickens is basically his
move is to go route. Remember last year Russell Wilson
would basically just throw him jump balls.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
That was the offense for them. Deep.
Speaker 8 (26:14):
I like Packers a lot. Here, tolland tell me you
included this game.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I don't take this. You you love the big TV games.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
No, those are the ones you don't want to I.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Don't you you. I think this is go into the
weeds on stuff.
Speaker 8 (26:29):
Yeah, but remind me what happened in that playoff game.
Do you remember that Packers Cowboys playoff game?
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah? It was a blowout.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I mean it was from the d was like twenty
eight nothing.
Speaker 8 (26:37):
I would not be shocked if this was the early
Packers Holy smokes.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
All right, J McK of the news.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
So, I mean, the game everybody's talking about. I don't
think it will be the best game, but it is.
It feels big is Baltimore in Kansas City. So I
think we have found officially the limit on how much
even a superstar, legendary quarterback can do. Mahomes maybe one
and three after the weekend. They just don't have any
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juice offensively, and Lamar Babe, maybe one in three after
the weekend. They don't do anything right. Now well defensively,
although they are a little banged up. So we all
know that if you give like average quarterbacks, really good weapons,
good coach, they can feel like a different quarterback. But
even all time greats have limits. And in Mahomes, think
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about this. In Mahomes' last twenty two starts, we look
this up, he has a lower passer rating, lower than
Russell Wilson. So nothing lasts forever. Andy Reid and Belichick
were fired in this league. Brady and Belichick in their
dynasty went in the middle of it, went three years
without winning a playoff game. So I mean, and a
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lot of what has happened to Kansas City, it's not
their fault. They've had weird injuries, Navy or Worthy runs
into Travis Kelce. I've had suspensions by players who get into.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Hit and runs and do really bad things.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
And you know, they've missed on a couple of wide
receivers like Skymore.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Everybody does.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
But I think a lot of times we talk about
this the eye test.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
And yesterday I put.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Up the Super Bowl bubble of you know, the five
or six teams that I feel can win the Super Bowl,
and the one thing they all have in common and
you saw it with Seattle last night. You can see
the energy. There is something that's special. And when I
watch Kansas City, they look a little tired, they look fatigue.
I don't see a lot of dynamic performers. Chris Jones
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in the trenches is good, but trust your eyes. I
just I mean, my team's in the Super Bowl bubble,
and even the two or three surrounding them, there is
something that is exceptional. I don't see exceptional. I think
Andy and Mahomes are all time great, but offensively not
a lot of juice. They come out slow, and I
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gotta see you gotta feel like a baseball pitcher who's
throwing one on one and you're thrown at past people
and I feel like they're a guy throwing sliders in
the low nineties and they're painting the corners and you
you know, Greg Maddox maybe won that way. Most don't.
So I just I think the offense, it's between miss
draft picks they couldn't afford. Joe Tooney, Travis Kelsey getting old,
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weird injury, ridiculous suspension, not that the suspension was ridiculous,
that Rashid Rice's behavior was. I think it just all
adds up to mid or worse than mid last twenty
two games. Mahomes lower passer rating the Russell Wilson who
just got benched.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Here's Mahomes on the evolving offense.
Speaker 11 (29:42):
I understand that these guys can can protect and they
can get me time to make these throws, and I'll
continue to get better and better at that and try
to get make some of these throws more accurate down
the field and then instead of hitting one to two
a game, making that three to four in five to six,
and then defense was back up and it will help
us out with other stuff within the offense. You got
to be able to execute and show the showcase that
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you can hit those throws. And if you do that,
they'll adjust and then we have to adjust as well.
And so that's what's beautiful about the NFL is you
have to be able to adjust on the fly and
make things happen.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Again.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I think Mahomes is carrying a very average unit, and
we talked about it this week. When you pay the quarterback,
one of the reasons Tampa and Seattle are so good.
They've got really good quarterbacks playing at real team friendly deals.
When you pay Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, you have holes.
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You're just you're going to have to give up special players.
If Joe Tooney was still on this team, maybe the
offensive line would look different. But he's not, and it doesn't.
So you know it's I said this the other day,
j Mac. For about three to four years, it felt
like the AFC the best were way better than the NFC.
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Then you had to pay Lamar, Then you had to
pay Josh, Then you had to pay Mahomes, you had
to pay Trevor Lawrence, you had to.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Pay all the quarterbacks, Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Now those teams had to make sacrifices on personnel. So
now the NFC has got really good quarterbacks on much
more team friendly deals like Baker, like Darnold, so like
Jaden Daniels, who's a rookie. So what you're seeing now
is and Jalen Hurdsteel's pretty team friendly. So what you're
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seeing now is the better quarterbacks maybe in the AFC.
The better roster teams, the better teams and rosters are
on the network called Foxy. The deeper rosters, Detroit roster rams, rosters,
Philly's roster. They when you get, you know, either a
young quarterback, a rookie quarterback deal, or more favorable deal.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
You just get more good players.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
That was my favorite take of years.
Speaker 8 (31:55):
This week, I want to add there's a couple cross
conference matchups this week to watch Colt Rams.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Are the Colts for real? Are they frauds? We don't know.
Speaker 8 (32:03):
We'll kind of find out Rams are good. Right, you
got Browns Lions. You seem to think the Browns defense
is good. We do, We'll see. And then there was
one other one. I'm spacing on it now, but it
seems like, you know, there are only six teams in
the AFC with winning records that could be down to
like four after this weekend.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Honestly, if that two and one teams go down, it's like.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yeah, I'm betting on an AFC team this weekend to
win convincingly that I think they're one of the only
teams left that is really good and it hasn't shown it.
And if they don't show it this weekend, then they're not good.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
You can't. You can't go a month and not be good.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Oh, I know, there is one team in the AFC
I actually think is really really good and they've sputtered
around and played with their food. I think it changes
this weekend, but if it doesn't, then I was wrong
and I'm done with them. Blazing five top of the hour,
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Eastern.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Then it's USC Illinois only on Fox. You know, it's
so funny. Lincoln Riley has this you know this reputation.
Well you kind of fines and they pass a lot.
Usc is running the ball at a fifty five percent clip.
They're a run team. They've got good receivers. But USC
is a run team. Illinois is a man to man defense,
heavy blitz team. It'll be very interesting. The Aligni's back
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end is all beat up. They lost a player for
the year, so I'm not I think USC may go
to the air in this one because generally, if you
look at what Illinois does defensively, they put people in
the box.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
They bring heat.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
But it's funny to watch that. Lincoln Riley's got this reputation.
And I used to watch Oklahoma. Everybody thought I he
was throwing the ball around. I thought it was the
power run game at Oklahoma and the complimentary pass game.
I think Caleb Williams made you think that USC and
Lincoln Riley, it made you know. It made Caleb Williams
individually made you think Lincoln Riley love to pass. He
actually likes to run the ball. If you watch USC
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play this year, they are a run first team. They've
got excellent running back. Then probably the deepest part of
this team is they can go four deep at running back.
That's what they're great at. They've got two really good receivers,
and then they have to play a freshman. They're not
terribly deep at wide receiver. They want to run the football.
They and and because they blew leads last year. They
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blew leads last year because their offensive line wasn't very good.
This year it's much better. It's still super young, so
Illinois is going to blitz the hell out of them
and say, let's see if your freshman in red shirt
sophomores can block. That's what That's what Illinois is gonna do.
They're gonna bring a ton of pressure and USC. They
want to crowd the box, make USC throw, make Jaden
(35:00):
Mayova make mistakes. But I do think it's funny this
whole idea of like Lincoln Riley's throw the ball guy.
This team is a run first team at Oklahoma, they
ran the ball.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
That's not who he is.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
So I thought it was interesting last night on the
Amazon broadcast. Generally speaking, this is the way it works.
Most former pro athletes, Peyton Manning is a great example,
don't like to criticize current pro athletes. Tom Brady doesn't
like to criticize pro athletes. He'll criticize a coach an organization.
But you know, most of these guys, there's a brotherhood,
(35:35):
and you just you don't like to bring the hammer
on players. You kind of soft pedal it or maneuver
around the harshness. Except Russell Wilson. So Tony Gonzalez last night,
and Tony's a nice guy and not super opinionated. He's like,
if there's ever been a guy who's played himself out
of the Hall of Fame, Tony Gonzalez said, it's Russell Wilson,
and I mean Richard Sherman.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Backed him up.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
He said without that legendary defense and Seattle look at
the truth. I think what happened with Russell Wilson is weird.
He went from eight years Pro Bowls, maybe the most
talked about quarterback in the league not named Brady. I mean,
Seahawks were like the story four years in the league,
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but it didn't get along with Sean Payton. His college
coach at North Carolina State benched him. Pete Carroll got
tired of him, Pittsburgh was one and done, and now
his coach is benching him at zhen to three. And
I by the way, I've never seen a quarterback get
criticized more often publicly than Russell Wilson. And my takeaway
(36:40):
is there's a cringy, corny, kind of inauthentic field that
players just don't like. Almost like, you know, I don't
know how to put it, like he acts the way
a quarterback should act, but it doesn't feel terribly authentic.
I mean, didn't have a lot of players at his wedding.
He's not that close with a lot of players. Whatever,
(37:00):
it just doesn't work but I think, you know, if
he hands the ball off to Marshawn Lynch in Super
Bowl forty nine, he's probably a Hall of Famer. That
was a big discussion this week. Now I don't think
he is, but I think the big the big issue
came down to this is that in Seattle, the Seahawks
were great for about six seven years. But they were
great for a lot of reasons. It was a collective
(37:23):
Marshawn Lynch, Pete Carroll's energy, the legion of Boom, the
twelfth Man in the fans, John Snyder's drafting, you know,
Marshawn Lynch and Russell Wilson. There was a lot of
reasons they were great. Russell Wilson was getting star treatment.
I think it felt like to his teammates he wanted
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super star treatment and he was a star of the team.
But Marshawn Lynch is every bit as good at his position,
and that defense is legendarily, historically great. And the only
thing I've ever been able to put my finger on
with the dynamic in Seattle is that that great Seattle
team was a collective of coaching and GMing and Marshawn
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Lynch and the defense in the outstanding corners, and Russell
was a star, but his teammates felt like he wanted
superstar treatment, and it just it never felt right. That's
the only way I can describe it. Maybe a little
bit of a lack of self awareness.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I just it's just a weird career from way up
here to suddenly nobody wants to coach him long term
without a big injury.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
It's weird.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
It's one of the strangest things I've ever Three years ago,
I just couldn't figure it out at all. Now I
think I've wrapped my brain around.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
It at some point.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
It's you know, like that self awareness in your own office,
which I defended initially, and Sean Payton's like, no, and
it's just a disconnect. I mean, he still has a
great deal of confidence about his ability.
Speaker 12 (38:57):
I think for me personally, you know, as well as
I'm not done. I got so much belief in myself
and no capable of I believe I was able to show,
especially you know on the road in Dallas and everything else.
I know that can help this football team, you know,
if that comes up.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
He went from kind of underrated, undervalued to instantly in
Denver overrated, overvalued, with no major injury. It generally, if
you plan this league for ten years, fans have a
beat on you, Media's got a beat on you. I'm
from the Pacific Northwest. I watched every one of his games.
I thought I had a beat on him, and then
I didn't fast like it just turned now it's gone downhill.
(39:36):
As last eight starts, he's own eight, so that's including
the playoffs, he's own eight. Giants and Steelers. I don't
think they're great fits. I think their organization. One is
tone deaf to offense Pittsburgh, and the other one didn't
have a lot going for at the Giants, but it is.
It has been an incredible career. But there was a
big debate this week when he got benched, as he
(39:57):
a Hall of Famer, and I tend to think when
you have a career that ends poorly, you had to
be unbelievable in the meat of it, and Aaron Rodgers
it may not end well. But for like eleven years,
there was a sense he was the best quarterback in
(40:17):
the league and he was putting up those kind of numbers.
There was about eight years with Russell he was really good.
But Aaron didn't have that kind of run game. Aaron
didn't have that kind of defense. You could argue Aaron
didn't have that kind of coaching. Aaron didn't have that
kind of twelfth man like Seattle. That roster. That roster
in Seattle for about five years was like a notch
above the second best roster in the league. Aaron's never
(40:40):
had that. So Aaron's you know, in Green Bay, where
you don't have a lot of free agents. The coach
Mike McCarthy wasn't beloved. He never had great run games,
with the exception of the one year he won a
Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Aaron didn't have a lot of great defenses. Russ had
all of it.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
And so when it comes to Hall of Fame, I
have to think about that. In your what were you
surrounded by? Russ had an All Star team. It's a
little bit like Jalen Hurts. Like Jalen Hurts in his
prime is surrounded with a completely stacked roster. And if
we look in eight, ten, nine, eleven years with Jalen
Hurts and we consider the you know, the totality of
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his career, is he a Hall of Famer? What was
he surrounded by in his prime? We all know Aaron
Rodgers is a Hall of Famer. The best argument for
Aaron's greatness is did he ever have a great coach?
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Did he ever have a great defense? Did he ever
have a great run game?
Speaker 1 (41:28):
And until he got Matt Lafleur, I could argue no,
he kind of carried Green Bay for years. The Hall
of Fame thing is Russell was never really asked to
carry a team. Brady had to carry some pretty lean
defenses at the year. Brady, outside of the Randy Moss years,
had to carry a lot of average receiving course. I mean,
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let's be honest, he didn't.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Have a lot to work with.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Outside of the you know, Gronk and his prime Randy
Moss Edelman late Tom carried a lot of average offensive personnel.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
The Holmes has won Super Bowls in the.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Last three years, very offensively limited. You know, russ had
an all star team in his prime, and Denver's not
an all star team, Pittsburgh's not, the Giants aren't.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
And here's what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I think you have to consider all that stuff, all right,
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