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September 29, 2025 • 41 mins

Colin Cowherd breaks down why he’s still backing the Green Bay Packers as legitimate NFC contenders—despite a rocky couple of weeks and inconsistent play

At this point it seems like the Chiefs our Lamar Jackson's kryptonite

Colin gives his thoughts on Caleb Williams and the Bears beating the Raiders 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh, it is a Monday, A glorious Monday to be
the Ryder Cup the NFL College football. We've got it all.
Colin right, Colin wrong? One hour from now? What a
showcase last night? Jmak the NFL block kicks fifty eight
yard field goals. If you get the ball last, if

(00:47):
you don't win, you at least cover. I remember a
time when you used to get four out of five picks, right,
I mean it was a mine. Was money in the
bank by the Jet Skis on Saturday. I didn't even
need to watch Sunday. This league is nuts and last
is an exclamation point on nuts.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Absolutely crazy Sunday in the NFL. I mean Packers felt
like a loss of them.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, so Dallas is one two in one, and Dallas
feels pretty good about themselves. The Packers are two to
one in one and they think the sky is falling.
Take a deep breath, green Bay fans, you are still,
for the third year in a row, the youngest team
in the NFL. In the last two weeks, part of

(01:30):
being young is you can't figure out how to close
out games against inferior teams. You just can't figure it out.
The Eagles, the Chiefs, the Rams, they got veterans, they
close out those games that playoff experience, that wisdom. Green
Bay is crazy talented, but Matt Lafleur is in the
head coach, he's a chaperone. This roster is full of
twenty four to twenty five year olds, and there's not

(01:52):
many great corners in the league. And let's be honest,
George Pickens had a day. You know, you let go
of your most talented corner to Balta, so you came
in a little corner light. Michaeh. Parsons did not help.
Where's the pass rush, I'm not seeing it. One sack.
So this was just two very comfortable quarterbacks, Jordan Love

(02:12):
and Dak Prescott, and they as they say eight, they
had six touchdowns, no picks, they had all data throw
They were both comfortable they completed seventy five percent of
their throws. And it's the NFL. The Saints gave Buffalo
in Buffalo trouble. The Chargers got whacked by Jackson Dart
fifty seven year old. Field goals are chip shots. Every

(02:35):
third kick is blocked. And yesterday and Dublin Aaron Rodgers
looked twenty four years old. So it's like it's a
this is what it is. The weather's still very good,
so the offense is good. You can throw the ball
down the field. It'll get cold, teams won't be able
to throw the ball down the field. Teams will be
more injured. That was just two really good quarterbacks. Both

(02:57):
were incredibly comfortable, and Packer fans can be fatalists. It's
like you're gonna win the division. You had a bunch
of bad teams coming up. Let's be honest. You beat
a Lions team with two new coordinators that was trying
to find themselves, and I got a little high on you,
and you did too. And then you beat the Commanders
on a short week at home and Jaden Daniels wasn't

(03:18):
one hundred percent, and then you play you know you're
feeling yourself, and then you play a couple teams and
you're you have a fourth quarter lead against Cleveland and
you blow it. Jordan Love had a rare bad pick.
And then last night your clock management wasn't very good.
But again, this is the youngest team in the NFL.
Now you've got a stretch packer fans. We have faced Cardinals, Panthers, Bengals.

(03:42):
You could be six one on one coming up and
be fine. This is September football. It's crazy. I can
remember Ryan Fitzpatrick of the Bills years ago tearing up
September and they gave him a huge contract. Weird stuff happens.
Sean Payton's always been a bad September coach. So again,
young team and this is the downside to young teams, stoicism, temperament, poise.

(04:07):
Green Bay still doesn't have that. Green Bay got a
little high on their supply and we're lucky to settle
for a tie. What am I bad, bunny? All I
know is this. They're good, they're young, they're talented, the coach,
the quarterback. But but their temperament and sometimes I'm not
sure they understand the game has a clock, the management

(04:30):
of it. Mat Lafloor said after We're just not there yet.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
I think anytime mistakes happen is disappointing. Whether it's year
three with your group of guys or you got a
rookie in there, it really doesn't matter at the end
of the day because nobody cares. Bottom line is, you
got to get it right. The operation was just way
too slow, Like I don't know if our guys didn't
know where were in two minutes or what. But ultimately
the communication has got to get better. Myself to Jordan

(04:58):
to the hotel, and that's that's a bottom line.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
For the record. I thought the Micah Parsons deal, I said,
Green Bay is pretty stacked. It's a great roster. They
don't need a first round pick because they got their
quarterback and they've got there, They've got their weapons, and
they've got with Micah, they got a pass rush, so
they don't need first round picks. They can get away
with it for about two years. But Micah hasn't really

(05:22):
delivered on the promise right, like overall, not getting the
quarterback enough. By the way, if you're Dallas, you have
to feel great this morning. Think about this. I'm Dallas.
Everybody crapped on that Micah trade. My take is the
Cowboys are going into the next two drafts. They don't
need a quarterback and about eight to ten teams due
and now they got four first round picks and they

(05:43):
could turn those into other second, third, fourth round picks.
So Dak playing this well in the Cowboys, even without
Ceedee Lamb moving the ball this well, Dallas is in
a great spot. They have something they haven't had in years,
a healthy quarterback, two really good receivers when Ceedee Lamb
comes back. Yeah, they don't have mikeh but they have

(06:05):
four first round picks, which gives them unbelievable financial and
draft flexibility. Dallas. I mean, I'm Dallas. I'm watching them
last night, and I'm like, you know how lucky they
are that Dak is better post surgery. I mean, they
got a feel. You guys all crush the Michael Parsons move,
And I said, Mike is good for green Bay. He's
what they need. Dalla's gonna be fine. They're gonna be fine.

(06:27):
They're actually significantly better than I thought. So just take
a deep breath. Green Bay, Dallas feel pretty good. They should.
I'm looking at the green Bay schedule now, I got
at home against Cincinnati. By the way Cincinnati plays tonight,
it'll be a short week. Arizona, you trust them, Carolina,
you get Philadelphia at home. Pittsburgh, they had a lot

(06:48):
of w's come and take a deep breath, all right,
it is official. The Kansas City Chiefs are back, and
the Chiefs are in the little Tamar Jackson's head. Lamar
Jackson five for five on that first drive. The minute
he got off script, Lamar Jackson was awful. Had a

(07:11):
passer rating of fifty one. So Steve Spagnola has seen
him so many times. My opinion, they got a little
bit of a beat on him. He's got ten touchdowns
and nine giveaways against Kansas City. And again, Achilles had
his heel and Superman had his Crypto night. Everybody's got somebody,
and I just think he struggles with him, and simultaneously

(07:31):
Lamar Jackson is struggling. I don't want to hear about
the defensive injuries. Everybody's banged up. Minnesota barely could field
an offensive line. I don't want to hear about it.
It's Baltimore's offense that worries me. Lamar doesn't work against
Kansas City. They faced him so many times are in
his head. And simultaneously, oh oh, I said that Jay

(07:51):
Mack last week. Just get Xavier Worthy back. He's a
deep threat. He'll open up the stuff underneath. That's exactly
what happened. Smith Schuster's still making plays. Xavier Worthy is
not a number one, but he opens up opportunities for
guys underneath. They have a chance now to get back
to the super Bowl if they can develop any kind

(08:12):
of run game. The defense is excellent, the coaching's the
best in the league, and Mahomes good lord, he still
got it so and Xavier Worthy is all they need.
In about four weeks, They're going to get Rashee Rice
back because Travis Kelcey you can no longer count on.
He'll he'll show up to the big games. But you've
got to get Rashi Rice and Worthy. The old line
is getting a little bit better. But I feel like

(08:34):
Kansas City's a bacteria that is resistant to antibiotics, and
it's like the league had a chance to wipe them out,
and now Kansas City's gonna cough on everybody and pick
up wins. You had a chance, there was a window
here they were and I don't know Rashi Rice in
three weeks. I watched that passing game yesterday and I'm like, yeah,
I know there's injuries, but it's fine. Worthy gives them

(08:56):
a deep threat that will open it up for Rashi
Rice and Juju's miss Schuster, so you'll have a one
a gadget guy number two and then three and Travis
Kelcey be good in big games. And the other hallmark
of the Chiefs is they don't beat themselves. They had
one turnover this year Eagles Eagles, Canada City in Buffalo.
They just don't turn the ball over. So I think

(09:16):
you've got to feel I feel like Kansas City watching
that game. I don't feel I'm overreacting. It does take time.
You can't go into a game without Worthy and Rashi
Rice and an older Travis Kelcey and no run game.
You gotta give them something. At the trade deadline they
have to consider an upgrade, either O line or run game.
But I think you come out of this thing. They've

(09:37):
worked very hard. Worthy mattered Rice around the corner and
Kansas City's back. Here's Patrick.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
We've been working extremely hard and we want to have success,
and we've been just making little mistakes here and there
and that causes frustration, but at the same time, we've
been learning from them, and well, so we'll learn from
this game. With Xavier being back in just that threat
of being able to went over the top. It's scary
for defenses when they're going to bring pressure knowing that
you can get it to that guy short or deep
and then he can make plays happen. And so we

(10:07):
had good answers. There's a couple here and there that
I think I could have been better on as far
as some of my answers, but overall, I thought we
had a good game plan and we executed it well.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Listen, it's almost like the Ryder Cup. The Americans weren't bad,
the Europeans were better. It's almost like Kansas City. Mahomes
hasn't been bad. He's kept him afloat. He's been a
life preserver and so is Andy Reid. But you got
to give him something because they don't run the ball,
and Kelsey at this age isn't dependable. You got to
give him something. And this week they got something. They

(10:35):
got an over the top threat and worthy and suddenly
the offense looks good. Now they need a number one receiver.
They're not going to be a great run team this
year they're not. But Rashi Rice before the suspension was
a number one. Then you have Juju Smith's probably a
three worthies year two and a gadget guy. With that
defense and that coaching, that's a super Bowl bubble team. Now,

(10:56):
I think the nfcs but in the AFC this year
top to bottom. But don't I know Stone Oh the
injuries for Baltimore, the Vikings could barely field an offensive
line like this is just the reality of it. You
got all sorts of guys banged up right now, more
than I recall. But overall I was blown away. J
Mac Saturday was great. I don't know why. I mean,

(11:23):
the Bears blocked to kick to win. I don't know
what it is, but apparently blocked. It used to be
when you blocked to kick in the NFL that you
would get a big guy would get a hand on
it and he would just tip it and then about
twenty yards down the field, everybody was told to stay
away from the ball, don't touch it. Right now, guys
not only block it, they volleyball it, they spike it,

(11:44):
they get two hands on it. I don't know what's happened,
but it's just everywhere Like kicks now are like probably
most of the Greg Olsen told us last week you
shouldn't kick because of math. The second thing, I mean,
the Cowboys got two points blocking an extra point.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
It's crazy a game that felt like that turned the game.
It was about to be fourteen nothing. Then it's thirteen
to two and things snowball from there for Green Bay.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
But that's a good point, Colin.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
So remember how Belichick used to say that the first
four games.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Are like a preseason, right.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
I think that's how we should look at a gambling wise,
because special teams now is a huge factor in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Eagles had a punt block for a touchdown. How about.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Was it Jacksonville? Jacksonville had two huge returns Like San Francisco.
Special teams are garbage. I'm done with the Niners, by.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
The way, Yeah, Niners special teams. John Middlekoff's been telling this.
They've been bad for four years, so bad, so bad,
and then they reach and draft a kicker in the
third round. It's like, guys, you can draft kickers the
seventh round. You have two picks, all right?

Speaker 3 (12:46):
Regard Hey, regarding the Raiders, can you text Chip Kelly
and your boy Pete Carroll and be like, why are
you settling for a fifty four yardfield goal.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
To win the game? Like they didn't try to get
more yards? You know why? You know, why are we
doing because you know Smith had three picks.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah, but here's the thing, they were in Bears territory.
Gino only turned it over in his own end all
of yesterday.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Like, I no, no, I'm kind of joking, but yeah,
that was just brutal for it. For that game was
incredibly ugly. I want to talk about that with the Bears.
It was one of the ugliest games, but it was
wildly entertaining because these are not great teams. Uh. Caleb,
Caleb with a good game winning drive there. I was like,
there's no way he's pulling this off. He delivered hand

(13:27):
and had a couple of key drops by his guys.

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Speaker 1 (14:12):
All right, welcome back, Wild Colts Rams game two to
two at well Matt Stafford. One big connection all year.
It was the game winner. You got feel terrible if
you're the Colts because you had that game and you
lost it. Here's the good news. On the Chicago Bears,
they beat the Raiders. Here is the good news if

(14:33):
you go to the first four weeks of last year
and in the first four games that this year, for
the last two seasons, just with Caleb Williams this year,
he's given you a touchdown more a game. He's given
you a much better third down percentage and throwing for
about three hundred and seventy five yards more per game.

(14:54):
So clearly Caleb Williams has better coaching and is more effective.
It's real prob gress he's making hard throws. He's making
him over the middle of the field. He feels like
on every play he could break it with his legs.
He's taken fewer sacks, there is no question he makes
hard throws. And he had col Comet drop one yesterday.

(15:16):
He and Roma Dunze absolutely feel like this is gonna
last a while now. Penalties are a huge issue. That
a horrible false start and a fourth and one. Pre
staff operations. Pre staff operations need a lot of work.
But Caleb Williams last year at this time to this

(15:39):
year at this time, it's working much better. It's not perfect,
it's kind of sloppy. I mean, they got three picks
on Geno Smith and could have easily lost. So success
is not a straight line. But this is Chicago. They
can't get quarterback right. Last season they were finding way

(15:59):
to to lose. They lost on a hail Mary. Last year,
they lost on a block field goal. Last year they
were three and seven and one score games. Last year,
time running out, lousy clock management. They were just a mess.
This year. Yesterday, they're on the road. They can't block
Max Crosby, they had crucial drops, they had eight penalties
and they won. And that we said this year is

(16:21):
not about winning a losing. Last year they were two
and two. This year they're two and two to four games.
It totally feels different. You got the right coach, Kayla's
moving in the right direction. The operations is ugly, but
I don't think these guys are a perfect fit. The
coach is very much about structure. The quarterback likes to
kind of do his own thing more than I'd like,

(16:42):
but he's a huge talent. So I said it in preseason.
Stop looking at the wins and losses. What will it
feel like? It feels like, oh, this is way better,
this is like this thing could work. I mean, Drake
May has officially popped, Jayden Daniels pop really quick Bo
Nicks outside of September, looks like it works. Michael Pennix

(17:04):
was horrible last weekend. He was pretty good yesterday. So
it stages success is not a straight line. And I
don't think these guys are the perfect max. One guy's
a structure guy. The other guy's kind of good off
platform and moving. But you can see you're getting a
touchdown more game. From thirty three percent on third down

(17:26):
to forty five percent. That's a real improvement. They were
giving you two hundred and fifty yards of offense last year.
It's closer to three hundred and thirty yards this year
at Roma Dunze and Caleb. That's gonna work. The run
games what it was. I think the old line's better,
but the run game is what it is. They could
not block Max Crosby, who, outside of Miles Garrett's my

(17:46):
favorite defensive player in the league. But they block a field,
go and win. And here's what Ben Johnson told Caleb
before the game winning drive.

Speaker 6 (17:56):
It's easy to get frustrated. We don't panic. We just don't.
That's that's not who we are and that's not what
we do. I remember talking to Caleb before he took
the field. I said, this is this is what you're
built for. These are the moments that he thrives in
the most. I think that that's really been the story
of his life, to be honest with you, and I

(18:16):
know he came through for us in a big way.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
The reason Bears fans exploded after that block kick that
was that was frustration for not only the last twelve months,
but maybe for the last twelve years, because the Bears
have lost so many games like that so many different
ways and hail Mary's and block kicks and lousy clock management,
and it's like, it's not just luck. They've blocked to kick.

(18:40):
They blocked to kick. Players said because of what they
watched on film, they saw weakness last year. A year ago,
Caleb Williams was complaining nobody would watch film with him.
So this this, I mean, I watched it yesterday and
I'm like, listen, they should have put this thing away
about an hour ago. But when I blocked that kick,

(19:00):
I'm like, you know what, Buffalo struggled with the Saints.
You take it. You're happy, Caleb one, It's all good.
Jmack with the news. No news, this is the Herdline news.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
All right, let's bust right into a con star with
that Rams Colts thriller out here at so far an
amazing game. And as you're watching here on the screen,
Ad and I Mitchell, the young talented receiver for the Colts.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
You never want to say one guy lost the game,
but oh.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
My gosh, he took fourteen points off.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
The board, celebrating too early.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
I cannot believe this is still happening in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
It's like guys, listen, athletes don't do that. We don't
ask much. You're you're all millionaires. Just just get into
the end zone about halfway through and then you can
play with your food. I mean, he made some great moves,
by the way, on the catch, he moved, Bring me
two tackles. He's a technical kid. He also had a
holding on a huge jobson Taylor run, so he had

(19:58):
a bad, bad day. But it's like, guys, stop stop
showing off your employees. Your job is to get into
the end zone. That's what receivers do. That's your job.
You don't need to celebrate every catch and every touchdown.
Like I feel bad for the kid because reportedly he's
really loved in the locker room. But the Colts blew
this thing. Yeah, he's a big time talent.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
The culture up twenty to thirteen with like six minutes left,
I think five minutes left, pay happened and the Rams
came back and your guy to two out well who
I think had one catch on the season, and then
he's eighty.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Eight yards gone for the game winner. Sure he is. Yep.
Sean McVay brought him back ten million one year, and
he did it for this two to two is the
opposite of a volume receiver. But about once every two
weeks he breaks a big play and the Rams are like,
I got my number one in Pooka, I got my
star running back. We're gonna bring in Devonte Adams, I've

(20:51):
got Stafford. I just need a kind of like a
Xavier Worthy, but not nearly as good. I need a
gadget guy or a guy that can go upstairs and
take the top off. And that's what he did. But listen,
if you didn't watch this game, the Colts are going
to win the hundred percent. I'm telling you again. I
like their roster and Daniel Jones. Don't look at the

(21:14):
two picks, the last one, the last one, you're up again,
carbon copy like he's lobbing it up in the safety.
Read him like a book. But he is not in
a quarterback. But I when I look at him, I'm like,
he is size arm stiking, doesn't run a simple offense.
My takeaway is he's a B to a B plus quarterback.

(21:34):
He's at least a B quarterback. Guys were schemed open.
Jones was hitting him.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
I mean he's I'm not I'm not gonna go over
but I just think you did take away. The Colts
are good. This is not like some fake three game nonsense.
They're legitimately their enansive weapons. Warren's a stud, Taylor's a stud.
Pittman's probably the best number two in the league. They've
got Pierced, now they've got this kid. So the Colts
are going to win this division. This is a real

(22:00):
and their offensive line at least early held off the Rams.
Now by the end of it, you know, Versus doing
what he.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Does is an animal. Oh my gosh. He Max Crosby
and Miles Garrett totally different.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
By the way, there's a highlight of Verse just trucking
like I think the center of the guard and then
he just did a Superman dive.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Jones eluded it, but I was like, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
This guy's amazing. Hey, I need to say this. Colin
Pooka Nakua is a superstar. I don't want to hear
any more of this. It's just justin Jefferson and Chase
Puoka is in that class. I think he had thirteen
for a buck seventy. Zavian Howard was Bernt Toe's hand.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
And they knew. I mean Devonte and Stafford aren't quite
there yet. They knew they were going to Pooka on
every big third down. Yeah, and they still couldn't start.
He caught the ball sliding, he caught throws up top low.
He is on. I mean, is he the best fifth
round wide receiver ever? Elmron Saint Brown's the best fourth
I think he was a fourth round receiver.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
I mean, Pooka is something else. He's tough, man. I
just love that guy. And they got a lot of
weapons and Rams to me, like your big takeaway in
the NFC, give me your top three right now? Philadelphia
beat the Rams. Philly one Rams two that those are
my two I have in the NFC Championship before the season.

(23:16):
I think green Bay is going to right the ship
and win their division, and Detroit's gonna finish second in
that division.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
I think green Bay is going to be fun.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
I do think though, if you you know, we're just
projecting forward. I see some troubling signs for the Eagles.
We'll get to it later in the week. Oh yeah,
but I thinks right now, if you ask me now,
I think Ram's probably come out of the NFC all right.
Next story, Colin, Yeah, I love how you wedged this
into the first hour. Rock Berdie, my guy, not his
best game ever coming back off injury toe and shoulder,

(23:44):
and you.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Know it was not spot on. I'll let you take
it right, go ahead. He was not great. First of all,
he was sailing it all day. His interception was probably
the worst interception of his career, and maybe today one
was tipped. Come on, well, Mac Jones, four t d's
a pick, Brock Purtty this year four TD's four picks.

(24:07):
What was the knock on him in college? He was reckless?
Settle that.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
I know you want to get it out of your system.
Brock perty stinks. Jay mclin's wrong, I get it.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
That's fun.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Party did not have a great game, period and his story.
The Niners all around were sloppy. We talked at the
open their special.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Teams are raps in the league. Were special teams in
the league.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah, now without Bosa, are you ready for this stet
No Bosa. They did not have a sack or a
quarterback hit, not one. Trevor Lawrence all day to throw
finding his guys and then on offense, the Niners were
just sloppy. The tight end, the backup tight end, like fumbles.
McCaffrey had a fumble. I think he recovered it, yet
Kendrick Bourne was a drop. They are not because they

(24:45):
had so many injuries.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Colin.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
You know, like once Kittle's back and a Yuk Jennings
comes back and he gets hurt.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Ricky Piersall goes down with a knee. Okay. So the
three most injured teams this weekend were Minnesota lost, San
Francisco lost, Baltimore lost. Injuries absolutely matter, I'm not saying that.
But in the Baltimore game it was Lamar Jackson. Forget
the defense, Lamar couldn't move.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
The ball out for the first three lost Ronnie Stanley,
He's like, oh my, my left tackle's gone. I think
the Niners are going to be okay. But again, this
injury thing, this is almost every year with Shanahan's guys.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
This is what I said before the season when I
picked them for third I said, I love the coach,
I love their players, But the Rams are not old
and brittle the Seahawks. In the RAM the Rams have
the youngest great defense in the league. The Seahawks have
a young defense and a young offense. Age matters what
you want to be is experienced. You don't want to
be old, yeah right, Aaron Rodgers until yesterday looked old.

(25:42):
You don't want to be old in this league. But
to be Josh Allen or to be you know, Matt
Stafford where you're like, you've got a lot of wisdom,
and I think San Francisco is brittle, old and expensive.

Speaker 7 (25:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Final on this game. Afterward, Robert Salah and Liam Cohen
had some words exchanged at midfield. Robert Sala obviously lob
de grenade this week about their Jags dealing signs. He
didn't say it was illegal, He just pointed out, here's
a video on the screen, and Liam Cohen goes, keep
my name out your mouth, and all of a sudden,
Robert Sala's like, are you talking to me, you little shrimp?

(26:15):
And Sala kind of manned up and they were ready
to squabble up. Colin I was shot shocked at this,
and then Albert Breer reminded me that the Jags interviewed Sala,
remember back in January for their head coaching job. Liam
Cohen kind of didn't want to leave Tampa. He was unsure,
and then Cohen decides, oh yeah, I'll leave and Sala

(26:35):
would have been the Jags head coach, so I think
probably there's some resentment there from Robert Sala.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
But spicy. Final story, Colin is the.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Ryder Cup that happened over the weekend to Europe defeated
the US fifteen thirteen. The US was down seven entering
Sunday and dominated. To make it interesting, Europe has now
won nine of the last twelve Ryder Cups. The big
story here was a lot of odd jacking from these
Jabbronis in the in the stands and mac.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Let's be fair, it is not a Jabbroni crowd. These tickets,
well is it? I don't know. This is that a character?
These tickets are one thousand dollars to get in in
thirteen bucks for a sniff of a glass of beer.
So why are guys f bumbing Rory Mackleroy's Because the
Ryder Cup is loud and chaotic, and they're lubricated, and
they've got drinks in them, and they've spent a lot

(27:25):
of money and they want it. The Ryder Cup crowds
are always obnoxious. Now was it over the top? I
think it was. But I've lived in eight states. I've
lived in eight states. I know how fans are. Northeast
fans are more obnoxious. They just are New York fans. Boston, Philly,
New York. You put a couple of cocktails in the

(27:46):
Beth Page. I've lived there for ten years. California fans,
you get some idiots. But it's different. Okay, it's sunny.
We have bigger states, there's more space. You get people
out East Philly guy, New York guy. They are Boston guy.
It's a badge of honor to be obnoxious. So I
mean this idea. Now, if you want to cut alcohol sales,

(28:07):
go for it. If you want to cut crowd sides,
go for it. But the fact that everybody's shocked this
thing has always been a spectacle.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
That's more like the Waste Management Open, you know, where
it's chaos.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
That's fun. Everybody loves that. But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Golf is a sport of decorum, and you know the
way time silence.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Like, are we changing the rule? If we want to
change it, that's fine. I don't care. Golf is a
lot of things. Golf is the Live Tour, Golf is
the Masters, Golf is waste management. Golf is the US Open,
golf is the this idea that golf is just one thing. No,
it's not. I mean Michael Jordan's there, there's hackling. The
rider cut was started in nineteen twenty seven. It was

(28:44):
an exhibition. It's not an exhibition. It matters the difference
in this thing. First of all, it's amazing how good
the golf was. Beth Page didn't have any teeth because
they cut the rof so you know, it didn't matter
if you went to the rough. It was a putting contest.
The difference between these two teams is simple is that
the Europeans they have a committee. It's very organized. They

(29:07):
plan this thing. The minute this thing is over and
they're flying back, they're planning the next Writer Cup. We
spitball at every two years. Throw it together. We have
some personalities that can't play together. The infrastructure of the
European golfers is winning this event. That's what's winning. Our
infrastructure is not as good. We talk about this all

(29:27):
the time in the NFL. It's not just about your quarterback.
The best front offices. Remember last week the Athletic mn poll.
My herd hierarchy is basically, according to the Athletic the
ten best front offices. Everybody watches the players. There's a
reason Detroit and Philly are good. They have great general managers.
The Rams have great front office people. So the Writer Cup,

(29:49):
our problem is in our golfers. It's the infrastructure of
the Europeans. They are already planning two years down the road.
We spitball it with about six months to go, and
you can it's like a bad NFL front office. It's
not the quarterback, it's upstairs.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
So the US Ryder Cup team is like the Cleveland
Browns front office.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Basically, is that what we're saying. So here it is.
Ryder Cup tickets were eleven hundred apiece a mimosa was
thirty bucks and the beer was fifteen. It's not Jabbroni's
that's your street. It's Wall Street guys who were obnoxious
J Mack with the news. Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by. It's the lie, the idea that

(30:28):
first of all, the Ryder Cups a team thing, and
Euros the European team is better than us. But our
golfers played great. They got into a hole and it
was a putting contest. And I mean, I swear to God,
but Europeans in the first couple of days. I'm not
sure they missed a pot. It was insane, but it's
I don't want to be like, you know, this is
because of Trump, but this is because slow down. It's

(30:51):
the Ryder Cup. People are obnoxious when they're lubricated. I mean,
five of the top six golfers according to the World
Golf Ranking are Americans. Our guys are great, and they
played great, but we have got to be better infrastructure
wise to win this thing because the Euros are smart.
They're already planning the next I saw a golf writer

(31:12):
out there made a great point. He goes, why is
the Master so good? You know, I don't know why
the Masters is so good because it's so organized. They've
got the best committee. They're the most organized golf tournament
in America. That stuff matters, all right. I got a
lot of stuff here. I mean, I got defending our hooligans.
I mean, it's like European soccer. If you see what

(31:35):
these fans are thrown on the field by at large globally,
Our fans are great, our coaches aren't threatened. I mean,
the biggest fear right now in the NFL is Robert
Sala's bicps. He I would worry about Robert Salah more
than I worry about some guys six Heinekens in.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
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Speaker 3 (31:57):
Big Noon is back in ann Arbor and Michigan's own
El Presidente is leading the charge. The pregame party starts
at ten am Eastern. Then it's quarterback Bryce Underwood and
the Wolverines going head to head with Wisconsin at noon
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Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, Wisconsin stinks. I'll tell you this. Ohio State, Ohio State,
and Oregon. I had Penn State against Texas in the
National Championship. That's not gonna happen Oregon, Ohio State in
the Natty. I'm not sure if l Presidente is going
to love that. But okay, so you had to watch
the Giants Chargers game to appreciate what happened. You had

(32:39):
to watch can't watch clips or highlights. The Chargers have
massive offensive line issues at tackle, so that's a separate
story and a separate issue. But Jackson Dart ran it
ten times. Design Run plays toughness, Scataboo was a factor.
They lost their number one receiver and beat a good team.

(33:00):
The Giants have been bad and boring for a decade.
But this defensive front, this young quarterback who's confidence in moves,
has a nice arm. It felt promising. I mean, once again,
the metro circus, the Jets you'll see it that night
are probably a circus. And they didn't ask him to
do a ton, but you couldn't. Elite neighbors not available.
This this you know, offensive line. Eh, promising feels like

(33:25):
the right word. No turnovers. He plays with a lot
of confidence. He didn't have a huge arm, but he's
got a good arm and he moves well, and they
designed stuff for him, so the coaching staff likes him.
So it's it's baby steps for the New York Giants.
But you know what, they're not a playoff team. But
New England has officially found their franchise quarterback. Denver's found theirs,

(33:47):
Washington's found theirs in Atlanta and Chicago were feeling pretty
good today this season. Watched Brian dave All after the game.
That is a that is a head coach that liked
his quarterback, probably if it was his choice would have
started his quarterback, and Brian Dable after the game was
about as excited as I've ever seen Brian Dable, and

(34:09):
I think it's because he went into this game thinking
we go win this game. This kid's been pretty good
at practice, this kid's been pretty good in preseason. They
gave Jackson his shot, and I gotta be honest with you.
I like the vibes. I thought he was more of
a second round talent. I like what I saw. Here's
the coach after.

Speaker 8 (34:27):
That's his job as quarterback. Make good decisions, convert, make
the right choice. You know, he wasn't perfect, didn't expect
it to be in his first game, but a tough opponent.
You know, it's three to zero team with pretty good defense.
I think young man played well within himself. Made a
huge play when he needed to to see you on

(34:49):
that third down play. So happy we got him.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Listen, all these quarterbacks in year two, you know you
were kind of figuring out are they the real deal?
Jackson Dart that's his first start, so he got to
be fair about this stuff. He did not look overwhelmed.
He played with a ton of confidence. I don't think
he has a great arm, but it's good enough. He's
a good looking, confident kid. Scataboo's a great find. Milite

(35:17):
neighbors can't stay healthy, so I'm not sure you can
count on that going forward. But I don't know. Yeah,
I think he had to watch this game. I don't
think you can go to the stat sheet Milite neighbors.
It's confirmed torn acl that's awful, But overall, if you
watch the game, my take was, it's not just the
Chargers on line. I don't want to hear about injuries.

(35:40):
Pittsburgh out played Minnesota. I don't want to hear about injuries.
The Giants outplayed the Chargers. Okay, the Eagles. I had
a double check on this. They had minus one yards
offense in the second half. Between last week's first half
and this week second half. They've become the Chiefs of

(36:02):
last season. They're winning. They're four and oh in one
possession games, but the Margins have come way down. They
have had multiple dreadful halves four games in and they
have a worse point denferential at four and oh than
the Patriots through at two and two. They are thirtieth
in yards per play. Is there's no excuse? Very good
old line Saquon Barkley above average tight ends AJ Brown.

(36:26):
There is no excuse for being thirtieth in the NFL
in yards per play. By the way Jalen Hurtz and
AJ Brown. AJ's back in the witness protection program and
they're trying to get him the ball. They targeted him
nine times. They're not ignoring him. They're feeding him for
seven yards. So he's right now. AJ Brown is a

(36:47):
top four or five talent in the league at his position.
He's not top fifty in yards or catches. So this
I don't care. You know how I said, you gotta
watch the Giants the games. You gotta watch these games.
I don't care about the record. So I mean, like,
like Buffalo's defense isn't great, but they don't have great personnel.
The personnel here is unbelievable. And what's happening. Everybody's banging

(37:09):
on Saquon Barkley. Saquon Barkley's become the New York Giant.
Saquon Barkley. Nobody respects the downfield game, so they're putting
eight to nine in the box. And so Saquon Barkley,
I mean, nobody's gonna run if you put nine in
the box. So there's all sorts of issues here. People
have a book on this team. The Rams had a

(37:30):
book on them, and they couldn't hold on, and the
Bucks figured him out, pun pun punt at the end
and they couldn't come back. But I think there's a
book on the Eagles and not the one that Aj
Brown once run on the sidelines. It's not good. And
here's Sirianni after.

Speaker 7 (37:46):
In the first half he was fourteen. I look at
the statue of fifteen to sixteen.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
That's good, that's pretty darn good.

Speaker 7 (37:54):
And then the second half, you know, again, we didn't
we didn't coach well enough, we didn't play well enough.
In the second half, we were able to hang on
for the win because the defense was able to get
us some turnovers. But second half, I'm not sure any
of us played a coach to our standard there.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
On offense, Listen, they're bad teams and bad units, but
that's because they have bad personnel. I just don't love
Buffalo's defensive personnel. I like their offense. They have three
tight ends. I like Buffalo's defensive personnel. I mean Spencer
Ratler's slinging the ball around. Cowboys defensively I don't love
their personnel, but you can you know, we know this

(38:29):
isn't baseball where you have to draft the guy and
he takes four or five years. And you know in
the NFL, couple free agents you hit on three draft picks,
you can change the side of the ball quickly. So
I will say that, can I just complain about this?
So I don't. I don't mind celebrating a little bit,
but this drives me crazy. So Cooper de jan got

(38:51):
a taunting pen lee for this. Now watch this. He
got a taunting penlee for that fifteen yards. So we
let offensive guys celebrate. It's LFG. They get up in
point a finger, an offensive gut. He gets up and
walks over and by the way, he doesn't straddle, he

(39:12):
moves his left foot. He walks over him. And that's
a fifteen yard path, a fifteen yard penalty. I mean
with where the kickoffs go. Now, if you complete one
pass and add that penalty, you're in field goal range.
I don't like that at all. Listen, Taunting is when
you're getting into guy's face, you grab a face mask,
your head butt, and that stuff happens about once a weekend.

(39:36):
You can't be given up fifteen yard penalties if you
start adding I mean the defensive guys can't do anything.
They can't hit anybody. And I have said for years
I am for that. I want healthy quarterbacks. But you're
letting offensive guys have just a field day. You know,
there's gotta be some warning for that. That is a

(39:58):
fifteen yard penalty for that. Sorry for the radio audience
if you haven't seen it. But Cooper de Jean walks over,
but he moves his leg. You know they were connected.
He gets up, is he supposed to not get up
and move? He has to move around him? And football
part of football, there is a little bit of intimidation,
a little bit and if you he made look at

(40:21):
he looked down at him, he made sure there was
ye contact, Like, yeah, bro, you're not getting past me.
That's cool. This is football. That's that Penalley drives me nuts,
drives me nuts. Colin Wright, Colin wrong. To top of
next hour, J Mac, I got Denver tonight. I don't
like Monday night football duel Monday night football games, but

(40:42):
I want to watch Denver play.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Yeah, I want to watch the Jets play. I wish
you had given me more time. On the Uh Your
Jackson Dart love, Colin, can we revisit that later in
the show. I need to put you.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
In your place. You're way wrong. On Jackson Dart and
the Giants. It sounds like a franchise course like Jackson Dart,
sounds like a am right
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