Colin Cowherd breaks down the key difference that propelled the New York Yankees to a Game 2 win in the AL Wild Card Series against the Boston Red Sox, setting up a decisive Game 3.
He also dives into the Los Angeles Dodgers’ dominant series win over the Cincinnati Reds, and explains why this Dodgers lineup could go down as one of the greatest in MLB history.
Colin also talks about why the Vikings have major decision on their hands at QB
Urban Meyer stops by The Herd to talk about Colin's criticism of Penn State HC James Franklin, the University of Miami this season, Alabama's huge win over Georgia, and more
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh, here we go, another magical night of baseball. Last
night we are live in Chicago. It's the Herd wherever
you may feed it, however you may be listening. Thanks
for making us part of your day. A lot of baseball.
First hour, great co sal top of next hour. We'll
go to New York later in this show. My buddy
(00:47):
in O'Connor is gonna stop by. Who's been covering the
Yankees for a long long time.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Jmac.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
It's just the wild card round. See, this is what
the NBA should do games. You don't need to go
back and forth. If you're a top seed or a
better seed. We don't need to go to Fenway and
Yankee Stadium. We're playing in New York. It's three games,
it's three in a row. You earned it. I don't
know who I like to two young pitchers going in
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Game three tonight. But the bottom line is massive urgency
NBA first Round seven games. I don't have to watch.
You have to watch these games. I mean, just unbelievable
last night. Now we get a game three to night
with two young arms going. So let's start with this.
The best thing the Yankees had going for him last
night is that Garrett Crochet wasn't pitching for Boston. Basically
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is I mean, left handers had won sixty six on
them all year, so hit it. He didn't pitch, and
it was the Yankees who had the better starting pitcher.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Last night.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Red Sox went to their pen early. So the Yankees
have Carlos Roodon going. He won eighteen games. So before
the game started, oh good, we get one of our races.
And the annaly palytics department, thanks analytics department, they allowed
Ben Rice back in the lineup. Jack two nothing Yankee,
So now they got the better pitcher. Now the analytics
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department upstairs said, yeah, we'll allow Ben Rice, the Dartmouth
kid with real power. Okay, he's not a great fielder,
he gives them power. But what this game was about
is on this night, it was the Red Sox that
were making the mistakes.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Let's go to the fifth inning.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Aaron Judge hits the ball to left field, usually reliable
Boston outfielders clanket. Yankees take the three to two lead.
So in Game one, it was the Yankees making the
little mistakes. Last night it was the Red Sox that
were Then we go to the top of the seventh.
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The Red Sox had another opportunity. Two runners on, nobody out,
and they get allows it bat. They pop out a bunt,
so prime example, and then they have a they load
the bases up and then they fly out. So they
just got bad at bats and Fernando Cruz is able
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to get out of the inning and Cruz was fired up.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
But again a high.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Leverage moment, and the Yankees are the ones that deliver.
Now we go to the bottom of the eighth. Jazz Chisholm,
who should play every game, give me a break. Athletics defense,
base running. He gotta walk was often running on the
three and two circles. The basis bang bang beats the
throw Austin Wells delivers, so again high leverage moments. The
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analytics department, you guys love the crush Kora and crush
Aaron Boom. The guys upstairs are setting the lineup. Oh,
Ben Rice is allowed to play bang jack two nothing,
Jazz Chisholm needs to be on the field. Athlete, defense,
base running. I don't care what analytics says. Get him
out there, all right. Then we go to the ninth inning,
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the Yankees closers wrap it up. So again we just
love in baseball to crush the managers. Game one, Garrett Crochet,
give me a break. He's a horse. I mean, you're
already in a huge deficit. And the analytics departments like, no,
Jazz isn't gonna play and Ben's.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Not gonna play.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Well, were those guys pretty valuable last night? It's almost
like Ben and Jazz were like super valuable. So you
know a lot of this stuff. I mean, Jazz is
like addicted to baseball. I mean he's like lives, breeze, eat, sleep,
goes home. He's playing baseball, you know on PlayStation. Some
guys you need to have in the lineup, like athletes.
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They can help you defense, they can help you around
the bases. They just bring juice. So this was just
to me, this was just a game that all these
high leverage moments. The Yankees start the game with a
better starting pitcher, and they in these crucial moments, got
the hit, got the defensive play, moved the base runner over.
And it was the Red Sox, not the Yankees in
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Game two that made the little errors that get magnified
in these massive games.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Here's Aaron Boone after.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
I thought our defense tonight was, you know, really really good.
Turned a couple of big, big time double plays, did
some good things on the bases, a homer by Benny
to get us rolling, and then you know, the bullpen
closing it down after Rodo gave us, gave us enough there,
even though he struggled a little bit there in the
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seventh to get us you know, through six, set us
up and able to hang on.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
But what a game, so Jazz Chisholm reportedly will play tonight.
Should I mean again, you're watching the Yankees play. You're
watching his defense, his base running. He's intensity, he's just juice.
He's got to play will Ben, We'll see. But he's
a big stick. It's a short porch in right field.
He's been on a heater hitting in September. I'd play
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him too. Yeah, I know, Lefty righty, lefty, analytics, but
there are just players in big moments you want out there.
It's a short porch in right field. Have a guy
who hits line, drives deep in the lineup, regardless lefty, righty,
and he's hitting well. So I mean to me, I'm
not anti analytics guy, but I mean yankee field. If
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you got a power hitter from the left side of
the plate and he's hitting well over the last three
or four weeks, just play him, Just play him. Baseball
postseason has always been about stars in big moments delivering,
and I don't think there is a favorite.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Tonight.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
You got young pitchers who knows okay, let's talk Dodgers.
You know, for as much money as they spent, it's
a terrifying experience to watch the Dodgers in the seventh
and eighth innings before they get to their closer. So
they had thirteen hits and eight runs. It's one of
the all time great lineups. Rookie Bets last night's insane
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Mookie Bets gets four hits, three RBIs. Remember early in
the year he had a stomach virus. He was he
had a terrible like career, terrible slump. Well, he's on
a heater now. And listen, the Dodgers just have too
much talent. They just overpower Cincinnati. The Reds are a
young team, they're still they're good, but they've got holes
that the Dodgers don't. But we said yesterday the Dodger
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stars have to deliver at the plate and they also
have to get excellent starting pitching.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Okay, and last night they.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Scored eight runs without a home run. So it's interesting
with the Dodgers. They can grind out at bats too.
It's not just home runs. They can grind out at bats.
They also got Yamamoto. Yashinobu Yamamoto, their best pitcher came in.
He was dealing after a kind of a rocky start.
But then you went to the bullpen.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yikes. Then you went too the bullpen, and it's a nightmare.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
They threw forty one pitches in the eighth inning the
Dodger bullpen. In fact, in the sixth, seventh and eighth innings,
the Dodgers bullpen through eighty four pitches. Watching a Dodger game,
if you're a Dodger fans literally like watching a horror
movie with a great cat. You just wait to the
last ten minutes and see if your favorite survive. So
this is one of the all time great lineups with
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a double, the Trifa, a bullpen. Now the glimmer of
hope is Roki Sazaki. They brought over from Japan. He's
a twenty three year old. He throws absolute gas. They've
moved him to the bullpen. They're gonna need him to
be great against the Phillies because that Philly lineup, it's
a lot scarier than the Cincinnati Reds lineup. And so
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the glimmer of hope for the Dodgers is, Okay, can
the starters go seven and two thirds and then can
we go to our closer, because if you've got to
use that those seventh and eighth inning guys, it is
a problem. They're struggling with the Reds. You're not going
to Philadelphia and holding those leads. So there's a way
to win. You hold your breath. They didn't hit a
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bunch of home runs last night. They grind out at bat.
They moved the runners over it singles, doubles, driving in people.
But the primary concern against ball market Cincinnati is once
again on display.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
And here's Dave Roberts in the locker room. There's a
lot of work to be done.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
My only ass is that every single guy be ready
when called upon.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Keep your mind right. We're gonna eat every single one
of you guys.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Stay in it, stay focused, keep playing for each other.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Let's go it.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I mean, it's all hands on deck against the Phillies.
I think my gut feeling is I would take the Phillies.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I think.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
You know, all lines that are bad can't win Super Bowls.
Patrick Mahomes been blown out twice in Super Bowls. A
bad old line, you can't win it.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
All.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
This bullpen problematic all year long. I will say this,
it keeps every Dodger game interesting, Like every Dodger game
is interesting. But and Yankees Red Sox tonight, who knows
two young pitchers, I mean, who delivers. But I do
think it's interesting, you know, managing the Yankees. I've known
Aaron Boone for one while managing the Yankees is I mean,
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it's just different.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Games in New York are different.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
It's like like games at Georgia Alabama just feels different.
You know, there are just certain parts of the country
where stuff matters more. These Yankee games in Yankee Stadium,
I know it's not maybe as good as the old
Yankee Stadium. Uh it's it's a lot nicer stadium. But
who knows. I mean, you don't write tonight. I you
(10:25):
all hands on deck. I mean with the Yankees. Seriously,
if the game was if the game was four to
four and you go to the ninth inning, would the
Red Sox bring in Garrett Crochet for two batters?
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I think you'd have to.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I mean, wild Wild Card Round got three games, you're
on the road for all of them. And if you're
if you're the Red Sox and you need two outs,
you go to the your big left hander. I think
I think it's all hands on deck. J Mack, that
was fun last night. That was really fun last night.
It won't be nearly as much fun tonight. Is the
Rams Hammer.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Well we'll talk about that soon. But a big week
for New York.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Right.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Yankees win last night in a thriller.
Speaker 7 (11:08):
They're probably winning today, and you know the Jets are
delivering it home on Sunday against the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
You know, I don't know about the Giants.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I don't know if they'll say this this year.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
The Red Sox have played great at Yankee Stadium.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
If I had to flip a coin, I probably say
Boston in a close game, Okay, But I mean I
don't But my takeaway is on the Yankees is the
Yankees were at a deficit in Game one starting pitcher
and lost. The Yankees had the better starting pitcher last
night and one, and the difference was the Yankees made
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little airs in Game one. Red Sox took advantage in
this one. Little airs by the Red Sox and Alex
Cora excellent manager, and the Yankees won. But remember the
guys upstairs in the analytics department, they're set in the lineups.
So Jazz his home, he's not playing. What you watched
last night. You saw his defense. Yankees defense was excellent
last night. You saw his base running. So you know,
(12:08):
I don't like I mean, in the NBA, the head
coach sets the rotation. In the NFL, nobody's telling Andy
Reid who to start. But in baseball you're told. I mean, yesterday,
before the game started, I saw the Yankee lineup and
I'm like, oh, that's a better lineup. He's got Jazz
and that's a better lineup. So I don't know, we'll
get tonight. I think it'll be an all timer classic
and I can't wait.
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There's a way San Diego has to play, and they
played yesterday at Wrigley Field. So there's a story out
today is that the Vikings are in a little bit
of a dilemma, and the headline today is is it
(13:35):
too early to question what the Vikings did letting.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Sam Donald go? All right?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
So Sam Donald was great in Minnesota, much better than
I think JJ McCarthy could ever be. I really believe
that he had thirty five touchdowns, twelve picks, forty three
hundred yards last year.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
It was unbelievable on the road.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I don't think JJ McCarthy is that Donald and Minnesota
had a one h three passer rating. Donald and Seattle
as one seven passer rating. He's an elite athlete. He
is big, he is strong. I always said that he's
somewhere between Carson Wentz and Andrew Luck. He's a really,
really big time talent. Can be a little reckless, but
if you give him a good coach and structure, he's
a baller.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
He's a great player.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
So that's the first thing is I think they wanted
to sign Sam Darnold, but they wanted a bargain and
Sam's agent and Sam said, now I want to be
a starting quarterback without some young guy hovering over me.
So the first thing I'm going to defend Minnesota. It
is really hard to find a franchise quarterback really hard.
Go look at the Jets since Joe Namath or the
Dolphin since Dan Marino Cleveland, Let's not even get into it.
(14:38):
I mean, the Saints have only had two really elite
franchise quarterbacks in the entire franchise history, Archie Manning and
Drew Brees. I mean, strangely, Cincinnati weird sheep. Cincinnati always
gets quarterback right, Kenny Anderson, Boomerasias and Carson Palmer. Andy
Dalton made the playoffs four times in Joe Burrow, Yeah,
(14:59):
small mark it frugal to the point of being cheap.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
The Bengals have always nailed it.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
The Chargers, who disappoint fans always you kind of feel
deep down the end or a cheap The Chargers get
quarterback right, Dan Fouts, Stan Humphries took him to a
Super Bowl, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Justin Herbert.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
But I mean Tampa has been.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Around since nineteen what seventy six, Baker Mayfield's the first
quarterback they've ever had to make multiple Pro Bowls, so
it is hard to find a quarterback. And we bang
on Tua, but I mean, you know, the Dolphins, Let's
be honest, he made a Pro Bowl. They had the
number one offense with him, but he feels small. Feel
it's hard you take toa you keep him, you extend him.
(15:39):
I guess I didn't like the contract, so it's very hard.
The second thing is, once you draft a quarterback like
JJ McCarthy in the first round, first.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Round, are you gonna cut bait? What are you supposed
to do?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Now?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Play him?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
He's played a couple of games and one of his
quarters was great, the other seven not so much. But
you know, he's young. I thought he was overvalued. I
thought he was more of a second round but you know, whatever,
But what are you gonna do? They wanted Donald, but
they wanted him on a discount. They like Daniel Jones,
they wanted him in a discount. Well, Daniel Jones wants
to start without JJ McCarthy breathing down his neck and
(16:12):
Donald wants to start. So I mean, Donald and Daniel
Jones are like, well, well you got this young guy
behind us. The minute we struggled and go to two
game losing streak, we're out. So I don't blame Donald,
I don't blame Daniel Jones, and I don't blame Kevin
O'Connell you got to play him. He just looks like
he's a little overwhelmed in Kevin O'Connell as this season. Now,
(16:33):
is it a tipping point? Does it circle? The drain
talks about their quarterback position, played.
Speaker 8 (16:39):
A lot of guys at the position, and we've you know,
tried to navigate those times by you know, being at
our best for that player and ultimately try to do
the things that they're most comfortable with. And that can
be different when you think about Kirk Cousins to Sam
Donald and JJ McCarthy to now Carson Wentz, and there's
been others that have played at a really high level
and helped us win some games along the way as well.
(17:02):
So I think it's I think it's just, you know,
it's it's not leaving any stone unturned.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Minnesota feels like the Indianapolis Colts, good roster, well run,
smart GM, excellent offensive coach, and you for the last
several years are looking for the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Like I think Minnesota is well run.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I think they have an excellent coaching staff, they got
star players everywhere.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
You're limited in this sport without a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
College football, you can win a Natty without a great
quarterback Canton, the Pros and Indianapolis. I've been saying this
for two years. Everybody's banging on the organization and the GM.
Chris palder To keep saying they got dudes. I fall
to the draft. They drafted players, they got like seven
eight elite guys.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
They have a great old line. They just didn't have
a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
And so you know, everybody, it's like banging on Major
League Baseball managers. Folks, the lineup is set upstairs. I mean,
what if JJ Reddick drove to the arena in Los
Angeles and the analytics department said, here's who has to start,
and hear the first three off the bench. I'm not
going to give you all the heat when you lose.
So I think baseball managers used to set the lineup.
(18:11):
They don't anymore. Z Chisholm. You're told he's not playing,
the numbers say he's not playing. Well, then he does
and you're like, oh, yeah, he's got a lot of
juice he needs to play. Then Ben Rice, no, analytics
say is a lefty, and that's funny. He played last
night two nothing Yankees. So I hate to be really
hard on organizations that I think are well run the
(18:32):
Vikings and the Coles. It's hard to find quarterbacks. I
mean I can give you like six franchises. I mean, God,
before Brady and Baker showed up to Tampa and they
have a great GM, they were bailing water for years
at quarterback.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
It is hard. Jay Macklin News.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
No news, This is the herd line News.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Start with the biggest story in the NFL, and that's
the injury to Lamar Jackson. The Baltimore's son is reporting
he's going to be out two to three weeks. But
John Harbaugh, I don't know if this is gamesmanship or
he just doesn't want to talk about it, but he
is being a little combative with the media regarding Lamar's injury.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Here we go.
Speaker 8 (19:15):
I really don't have any information on that, and I
really don't think it matters.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
You know, it's not really what I'm thinking about.
Speaker 8 (19:21):
I'm thinking about the team and getting ready to practice,
and Lamar's working.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
You know, he's doing a great job, you would.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Say, David, David ten, I just don't say anything.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
That's what I would do.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
I just don't want to take a eight tight at him.
Yeah yeah, yeah, Well we just let leave it alone.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
And we'll just I mean, wait, you out four.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Yeah, the injury thank you, The injury report will be
out of four.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Yeah, real funny. I mean we gamble on this league.
We do survivor, we do fantasy.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
He cares. The least you can do. The least you
can do is just come clean. He's out.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Just say it.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
He's not practicing.
Speaker 7 (19:54):
And there is a chasm, a difference between when Lamar
plays and when he does it.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
So we have the stats.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
When Lamar's in the two time MVP, Shocker is awesome
and the Ravens are dominant.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I've told you without him, I've told you before. I've
said this ten times in the history of me hosting
a radio or TV show. I think the NFL should
ban the injury reports.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Oh stop it, come on.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I mean, the last thing you need is to tell
the other defensive line. Yeah, the left guard's got a
bad knee. Go ask Mark schlera. If you knew a
defensive tackle had a bad shoulder, you go after the shoulder.
I think the NFL should ban injury reports.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Who care?
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I mean, listen, I love gambling on football. You gotta
you gotta keep the players safe. It's about all these
sports have one rule. Protect the athlete. That is the
number one rule. Make sure you don't put them in
the crosshairs of everybody knows. Hey, right guard's got a
bad left ankle.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
What are you gonna do? Dive your helmet into his antieater?
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Come on, we're not attacking injury. Come on, you have
to have this stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Come on?
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Who does the fans, the.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
Millions of people who watch the games, Why does it
go to games?
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Why does a fan have to have a knee report
on a left guard?
Speaker 7 (21:13):
I listen, I don't need specifics on the exact injury,
but we need to know if these guys are gonna play,
or they're healthy or not. You don't think that stuffs relevant.
I mean it was like a hip ho Colin. We
took injury reports here on the show every day Monday
through Friday, the whole football season.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
That's huge. You're just taking that out now, and we're
just about this.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
If I miss a day of work, Fox cannot tell
people why. And I'm just a radio TV guy. But
in the NFL, a pro league worth billions, if a
player is hurt, you got to be specific.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Yeah, I know you are a quarterback in high school.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
But you're you're a TV radio guy.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I shouldn't. I just I don't like the injury.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
If I was a coach, I would be Bury, John Harbaugh, Belichick.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
I'd be like, we'll see, well, it looks like it's
Cooper Rush and the Texans are favored by one and
a half. Next up Colin another injury plagued game, and
that's tonight, Thursday Night football.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
I know it doesn't have.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
The glimmer that it usually would when shanahan and mcvego
at it. But no Purty, no Jennings, no Pearsol, no Ayuk.
So that's wide receivers one, two and three and QB
one and Kittles out and Bosa's out. I mean, this
is this is rough and you can see what the lines.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
At least they have that, at least they have their
best quarterback playing. Wow.
Speaker 7 (22:32):
Wow, Mac Jones, he and Christian McCaffrey and Fred Warner
basically against the entire Rams team.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
I'm just curious. This is a divisional matchup.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
No, it'll be close because it'll be a touchdown game.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Are you taking the eight and a half.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I already told you it's it's five and a half.
I loved the rams. This is one of those lines
you had to jump on early. That's not always the case.
Sometimes you do get better lines closer to the game.
This line and all the you kind of hemming and
hauling on the injuries, We're all like, oh, they're kind.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Of beat up.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
This was the second best bet on the board on
Monday or Tuesday. Now it's a stayaway game.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
Now, listen.
Speaker 7 (23:09):
The injuries are a story in the London game. They're
all over the league. It's a thing. I am gonna
just ask you this.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
Do you think that Shanahan is a little tick that
he's got to play a Thursday game against his division rival.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
I don't think early on.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
The season, he's just like, guys, just sit out. We
don't need I mean, are we going to see McCaffrey
get shut down after a quarter and a half?
Speaker 6 (23:28):
Two quarters?
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I don't think coaches like Thursday games. But it's the
machine known as the NFL. So some streamer comes in
and gives them billions of dollars and they say, okay.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Yes, final story Colin, Oh gosh, we got to talk
about him briefly. The Shedure pantomime yesterday I mean, we've
never seen anything like it.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
The internet was just went crazy. But of course Deon
Sanders keeps the flame going. He went on Instagram and
backed up his son. Here we go, good one, son.
You did that with like a bunch of laughing moojis.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Well, he said, Dad he should support He doesn't care
what we think. Dad should support their son.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Do you think he cares what the NFL thinks?
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Well, I mean it's I mean, that ship feels like
it's almost saled. People have made their mind up on
Shador Sanders as a kind of marginal talent who's a
little silly. And but you know, this is such a
weird story. I like it, said, I don't want to
pick on sh Sanders.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
Well, people think that, but we're not. Remember I was here.
Speaker 7 (24:30):
The week of the draft saying I think Schador's going
top five.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
He's gonna be come.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
On, I thought he was a late first early second
round quarterback. I watched him played fifteen times, ten times
at Colorado. Accurate, move well, tough, he got sacked all
the time.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
He was a tough kid.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
But you know it, just so everybody knows, Like no
people who analyzed the draft thought he was dropping in
the fifth round. So this clearly is something that everybody
missed that teams were in lockstep on, like we don't
want to get in bed with this, we just don't listen.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I've put some of the blame on Dion. I think
going Super Bowl week on radio, going to Radio Row
and saying, hey, we don't want certain teams to draft him,
I thought was a huge, huge mistake. It by the way,
sometimes dads moms love their kids so much, you know,
they squeezed too hard, and so I thought that was
a huge, huge mistake. And the NFL said, oh, okay,
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and then we find out the Ravens and the Eagles
were interested, and basically the memo, the message was sent out,
now we don't want to be backups to Lamar and
Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I thought that was a mistake.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
I think when you're in your twenties and are really
good corporation calls and they don't pay it quite what
you want, and you don't get the position quite what
you want, take it.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I'm not saying you do that when you have.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Kids in your thirties or your forties and fifties, but
in your twenties opportunities from great companies don't happen. We've
seen all these great college athletes go to horrible teams and.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Have their careers wrecked.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
If the Ravens and the Eagles call, go, I'm not
saying if you're an establish later, but go. There's just
not that many well run NFL teams.
Speaker 7 (26:05):
If Google comes to your college campus is like, yeah,
we're interested in you, it's gonna be You're not going
to rise to the top instantly.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
Yes, Google, I'm coming on board. Let me get my
foot in the door.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Somebody told me this when I moved to the Northeast
for eleven years. They said, when you go to a
private school in the Northeast that they have legendary boarding schools.
It's not for the academics, it's for the connections you go.
You know, people always say that about Stanford. Cal is
easier to get in, but they'll flunk you out. Stanford's
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impossible to get in, but once you get in, they
don't want to flunk you out. It's all the relationships
you make. It's the same thing. Go to the Ravens,
go to the Eagles. Somebody will spot you at practice. Eventually,
get a job somewhere else and go that Shader kid
was a hard worker at practice. I mean, how often
does that happen in the NFL? Well, where a coach
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hires a coach or a player follows a coach because
they really formed a bond and they're not like stars,
You're just like, oh, no, no, I coached him over here.
Let's bring him on and give him a bigger role.
So it's I mean, like, if you go look at
Sam Donald's career, he goes to San Francisco and Shanahan's like,
I love the guy.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
And then Sean.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
McVay is talking to Kevin O'Connell and Kevin O'Connell's like,
calls Kyle Shanahan. They're all buddies, and Kevin O'Connell's like, okay,
let's go buy Sam Donald well, because he was with
the Niners, not playing, he was a backup, and they're
all buddies and they're all talking. And that's how Sam
Donald's career started, sitting on the bench in San Francisco
watching Shanahan and Shanahan calling people in the league and
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saying I love the kid. He practiced hard, He's a great,
great teammate, that's life. That's how it works when you're
in your twenties. Jmck with the news, Well that's the news,
and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
The herd line.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
We said this yesterday, Cubs Padre is going to a
third game. I think I like Chicago here. San Diego
has a way to play. I mean they went to
the bullpen. They pulled their starter in the fourth inning.
He hadn't given up a run. They just want to
get to their amazing bullpen. And so in this game
at Wrigley, San Diego scores first, and their two best players,
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tatis and Manny Machado. You know, they provide the offense yesterday.
So Manny Machado comes up, fifth inning, Bang, there it goes.
Suddenly it's three nothing. They scored in the first inning.
You get two runs there. Tatisa walked, Machado Jackson out
three nothing. Yep, with that bullpen, good night. I mean
they surrendered that bullpen for San Diego surrendered one hit
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in five innings.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
And again they pulled their starter in the fourth he
hadn't given up a run.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
They want to take a quick lead and they want
to get to the bullpen, and the bullpen most notably
is Mason Miller, who throws absolute gas one O two,
one oh three. He actually threw a one oh four
point five pitch, an all time postseason baseball record. So,
I mean, again, this is how they have to play.
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They're two best players, Machado and Tatis have to create
offense and then they want to go to the bullpen early.
So San Diego had the force fourth most wins in
baseball scoring three runs or fewer. So immediately when they
take a one nothing lead, you're like, I mean, seriously, that.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
May win it for you.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
You just got to get to the bullpen.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
And here's Machado on the w pust is about man.
Speaker 9 (29:34):
It's it's a beautiful, beautiful thing to be playing here
and in front of these crowds, and you know what's
on you know, what's he stake. So, uh, you know,
our boys went out there and you know, competed as
well as well as you can. Sometimes you gotta hit
a stoft and not hit it as hard, you know,
to get stuff going. But uh yeah, I mean swing's
there's just got to continue doing it and continue rinding and
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having good at bats.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
You know, most teams, now Milwaukee can beat you. With singles.
They can beat you with starting pitching. Milwaukee can beat
you with a bullpen. They've got power, Milwaukee's rare. They
can beat you in a million ways. The Dodgers, by
the way, beat you with home runs. They can grind
out at bats, they can beat you with starting pitching.
Everything's about avoiding the bullpen until you get to know
the very last closer. So the reality is, most teams
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in baseball have a way to win, even though there's
not a salary cap. Some markets, there's limitations. San Diego,
Machado's got a hit. Tatis has to be somewhat productive
on offense. Let's get to the bullpen by the fifth
or sixth inning or sooner. That's what they did yesterday
and they even.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Up the series.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Urban Myers around the corner. Greg cost Sell huge college
weekend last weekend. I've got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
It's so funny, Oregon. All these former Pac twelve coaches
are complaining now about the Big Ten travel, And my
take is you're the ones that we're begging to get
into the conference, and now.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
They're all like, well, we traveled too much.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Well, I mean, nobody was watching you when we were playing
the other conference, and you want to be in the
Big Ten. It gets cold, and well you complain about
the weather again. I mean it's you're making a lot
more money in the Big Ten. Gee, the Big Ten
yesterday did some I think they're doing a two billion
dollar deal. Like, I don't want to hear it. It's
not hurting Oregon. Oregon keeps winning.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
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Speaker 1 (31:33):
Cubs, Padres, Yankees, Red Sox. We'll have more on that
coming out. We just had one of the great college
football weekends of all time, and Urban Meyer is going
to join me.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
So Urban, you.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Went four and one against James Franklin, and I have
defended him forever. I defended Ryan Day when he was
losing to Georgia and Harbaugh. I'm like, Okay, who's he
losing to? And I've defended James Franklin. But when you
have an NFL quarterback the offensive roster, you're favored, you're
at home, you gotta win that game. And I thought
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landing in Dante more like I think for the first
time ever, Urban, I thought James Franklin deserves criticism.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Is it fair?
Speaker 10 (32:15):
We certainly it's fair whenever you had a blue blood place,
and Penn State is. But I brought this up on
Big Noon, Colin. I might have said this to you
last week that I've been at Columbus when you lose
a game and walking off that stadium and life ends
as you know it. I mean, the world goes dark
and ann arbor you lose a game, and I mean
the nasty et cetera, etc. That you see there at
Penn State, the pageantry and the white out is second
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to none. However, I've been at Penn State when we
won some close games and I walk off the field
in the you know, it's tay close, seeing a couple
of years and the nicest people, and I'm thinking, I wonder,
I wonder if deep down that I'm not saying it's
good enough. But it's just it's not life or death.
So I don't I think he's doing a great job.
I think, you know, you talk, Ryan Days got a
wolver Raine problem, and and Penn State's got a couple
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of problem Oregon. Everybody's got their little flaws that they
just got to work out. So is criticism right to
answer your question, yes, Is it time to make a
change or even talk about that?
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
So you coached in the SEC, and I've told people before,
is I knew the SEC was different? When I worked
in Tampa. I was a sportscaster and I went to
cover to do a Florida Gator story. Spurrier was the
coach and a body Bowden was at Florida States and
it was Wednesday, and I showed up to Gainesville and
there were people parked in the parking lot on Wednesday.
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And I'm like, I grew up a Husky fan, Like
we love the game, but we didn't shum up till
Friday night or Saturday morning. And so I felt kilin
de boor beating Georgian Athens, and I'm counting Nick Saban.
I don't know of a bigger regular season win at Alabama.
I went back last night and googled it. In the
last six years you've been there, you watched that. What
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do you make of how hard it is at these
traditional powers to get support.
Speaker 10 (34:04):
Oh, it's beyond heard, and it's not something you just
get overnight. It's something that got to be sustained. And certainly,
you know you talk about that win. I don't want
to say that was a job saver, but it was
a job saver. I mean that was incredible. That was
to go into to between the hedges there. You know,
I've never been there. I've never been to Athens, Georgia.
But everything, you know, first of all, you'd be a
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great team. But also, and I made a comment on
Big Noon, that is a big boy win with there
must be some some tough ass guys in Alabama locker
room because they came back from I mean they were
dead and buried after that first loss. People are counting
them out. Now they're not being count out at all.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
And I thought the coaching was great. I thought, and
I currently Smart's great. I thought Kalen out coached him.
And I think in that mattered. It wasn't a flukey play,
it wasn't officials. It was like that was a game plan. Okay,
So I watched Ohio. I thought Ohio State would win.
I thought be closer. And I gotta tell you it's interesting.
I think Ohio State is playing with so much confidence
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off winning a national championship. It's like when I watched
that Texas game, I'm like, they just were really confident.
They didn't panic, they slowed down the offense. I watched
them at Husky Stadium. That place has engulfed great coaches.
There is something about winning a Natty. But when I
watch them now, they feel different than they did that
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moment they lost as a favorite to Michigan. The last
four or five games they played. Coach, it feels different
for Ohio State.
Speaker 10 (35:36):
And it does with the whole new set of coordinators,
a new quarterback, and a bunch of new players and
Ryan Day. You know, someone showed me that he met
passed Newt Rockney. You start whenever you say the words
Newt Rockney, the name Newt Rockney and your name next
to it. That's pretty cool. So we've won a few
national championships. The year after some times can be really hard,
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at times miserable. I don't feel it at all, and
talk to a lot of guys still within the program,
and I think what him and his staff are done
is nothing less than maybe the best coaching job yet.
To have two wins, to beat Texas, to go on
the road across the country and go into that environment
against that That quarterback, to me is a stud demon.
Williams Junior I mean, he's a monster to hold them.
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They're playing a whole different level of defense than anybody
else in the country right now.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
You play defense like that, Colin, you don't lose.
Speaker 10 (36:26):
If you think about this, walk into the offensive staff
room and say, if we score two to three touchdowns,
we win that game.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
That's what they're doing right now.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah, you know it's Miami looks the part. They're big physical.
I always thought Miami was about seventy percent a college
football job and thirty percent a pro football job because
they don't.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
They don't.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
They're not like college. It's not about the band. They
don't have this massive following. It's a pro market, and
so it's interesting. There isn't quite the pressure that you
get in the big ten of the SEC, but it's
also harder sometimes to revenue and keep assistance. Do you
think Miami is officially back or it's just nil it's
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this year? What do you make of their kind of
resurgence here?
Speaker 10 (37:14):
What I like the best is their coaching staff, their
head coach, and consistency. He's been fairly consistent. I went
back as I'm doing part of Big Newton, I'm going
to cover this game the Florida State, Miami and not
that long ago, Colin the winner of this game won
eight national championships. So it's great to see. There's a
little bit of a think about that. The winner of
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this game back in the Bobby Bowden and the Jimmy Johnson,
you know that era, Larry Coker era, they won eight
national titles a winner of this game. I'm not saying
it's there yet, but I like consistency. I've always had
respect for Crystal Ball. I know that's his home. If
he can't do it, then I'm not sure in our
lifetime Miami will ever be back.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
So I'm not saying it.
Speaker 10 (37:56):
Back yet, but this is as close as it's been
in fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah, they definitely passed the eye test. I've always said
college football is better when Texas, Miami and us ERE winning.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
It just feels bigger. It just feels bigger.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
By the way Dante Moore, all these Pac twelve coaches now,
I just saw a story this morning. They're all complaining
about the travel and the Big ten, and it's like, uh,
stop it.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
It's not hurt in Oregon.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
I think Dante Moore, if I was an NFLGM, Dante
Moore would be my first pick. I'm serious. I thought
he blew me away in that game. What did you
make of it? We've covered him, I stood next to him.
He's not really the biggest guy, but I've watched him play.
His performance at the end of that game and overtime
was phenomenal. He is the most humble, lead by example
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type guy. The coach loves him, Dan Lanny loves him.
Speaker 10 (38:48):
I would just I've always pumped the brakes on that
because I think that's the one position that you need time.
You need to be time tested. He has not been
time tested yet. You know it's gonna You know. I
had Dwayne Haskins's rest of soul, But when people started
saying the word he should leave after one year, I
would always pump the breaks and say not that position.
And he left, and I still think Dwayne would have
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been maybe the number one pick overall if he came back.
I just think that position, there's none like it in
all and once I'm not well versed enough in the
other sports I am, in football, there's no position like quarterback. Yeah,
the amount of stress that's put on you every snap,
knowing what everybody has to do, not having a bad day,
not having a bad snap. So I think at some
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point he will be I would pump the brakes and
just his body work has to grow.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
I love the kid though. Yeah, Stoic calmb and all
that pressure really emotional. See an emotional after that one? Did?
I want see him get emotional after that big win?
I was beautiful. It was a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah, I thought it's just a neat I mean I
covered the Oregon program. That was one of the biggest
games in the history of the program. I really believe
that that was an unbelievable for them to travel three
thousand miles and win that game is something else that's
I'm we watch Bama going to Athens, Oregon go East.
Those were huge wins for those programs. Urban Meyer, great senior.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Zoas Thanks Collin saved you.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Urban and I worked together last weekend. We were on
that college football show. Reportedly in that segment waiting, I'm
seeing the biz popped.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
We'll check for yourself, be pop. Greg co Selma
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh, here we go, another magical night of baseball. Last
night we are live in Chicago. It's the Herd wherever
you may feed it, however you may be listening. Thanks
for making us part of your day. A lot of baseball.
First hour, great co sal top of next hour. We'll
go to New York later in this show. My buddy
(00:47):
in O'Connor is gonna stop by. Who's been covering the
Yankees for a long long time.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Jmac.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
It's just the wild card round. See, this is what
the NBA should do games. You don't need to go
back and forth. If you're a top seed or a
better seed. We don't need to go to Fenway and
Yankee Stadium. We're playing in New York. It's three games,
it's three in a row. You earned it. I don't
know who I like to two young pitchers going in
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Game three tonight. But the bottom line is massive urgency
NBA first Round seven games. I don't have to watch.
You have to watch these games. I mean, just unbelievable
last night. Now we get a game three to night
with two young arms going. So let's start with this.
The best thing the Yankees had going for him last
night is that Garrett Crochet wasn't pitching for Boston. Basically
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is I mean, left handers had won sixty six on
them all year, so hit it. He didn't pitch, and
it was the Yankees who had the better starting pitcher.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Last night.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Red Sox went to their pen early. So the Yankees
have Carlos Roodon going. He won eighteen games. So before
the game started, oh good, we get one of our races.
And the annaly palytics department, thanks analytics department, they allowed
Ben Rice back in the lineup. Jack two nothing Yankee,
So now they got the better pitcher. Now the analytics
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department upstairs said, yeah, we'll allow Ben Rice, the Dartmouth
kid with real power. Okay, he's not a great fielder,
he gives them power. But what this game was about
is on this night, it was the Red Sox that
were making the mistakes.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Let's go to the fifth inning.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Aaron Judge hits the ball to left field, usually reliable
Boston outfielders clanket. Yankees take the three to two lead.
So in Game one, it was the Yankees making the
little mistakes. Last night it was the Red Sox that
were Then we go to the top of the seventh.
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The Red Sox had another opportunity. Two runners on, nobody out,
and they get allows it bat. They pop out a bunt,
so prime example, and then they have a they load
the bases up and then they fly out. So they
just got bad at bats and Fernando Cruz is able
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to get out of the inning and Cruz was fired up.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
But again a high.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Leverage moment, and the Yankees are the ones that deliver.
Now we go to the bottom of the eighth. Jazz Chisholm,
who should play every game, give me a break. Athletics defense,
base running. He gotta walk was often running on the
three and two circles. The basis bang bang beats the
throw Austin Wells delivers, so again high leverage moments. The
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analytics department, you guys love the crush Kora and crush
Aaron Boom. The guys upstairs are setting the lineup. Oh,
Ben Rice is allowed to play bang jack two nothing,
Jazz Chisholm needs to be on the field. Athlete, defense,
base running. I don't care what analytics says. Get him
out there, all right. Then we go to the ninth inning,
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the Yankees closers wrap it up. So again we just
love in baseball to crush the managers. Game one, Garrett Crochet,
give me a break. He's a horse. I mean, you're
already in a huge deficit. And the analytics departments like, no,
Jazz isn't gonna play and Ben's.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Not gonna play.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Well, were those guys pretty valuable last night? It's almost
like Ben and Jazz were like super valuable. So you
know a lot of this stuff. I mean, Jazz is
like addicted to baseball. I mean he's like lives, breeze, eat, sleep,
goes home. He's playing baseball, you know on PlayStation. Some
guys you need to have in the lineup, like athletes.
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They can help you defense, they can help you around
the bases. They just bring juice. So this was just
to me, this was just a game that all these
high leverage moments. The Yankees start the game with a
better starting pitcher, and they in these crucial moments, got
the hit, got the defensive play, moved the base runner over.
And it was the Red Sox, not the Yankees in
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Game two that made the little errors that get magnified
in these massive games.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Here's Aaron Boone after.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
I thought our defense tonight was, you know, really really good.
Turned a couple of big, big time double plays, did
some good things on the bases, a homer by Benny
to get us rolling, and then you know, the bullpen
closing it down after Rodo gave us, gave us enough there,
even though he struggled a little bit there in the
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seventh to get us you know, through six, set us
up and able to hang on.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
But what a game, so Jazz Chisholm reportedly will play tonight.
Should I mean again, you're watching the Yankees play. You're
watching his defense, his base running. He's intensity, he's just juice.
He's got to play will Ben, We'll see. But he's
a big stick. It's a short porch in right field.
He's been on a heater hitting in September. I'd play
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him too. Yeah, I know, Lefty righty, lefty, analytics, but
there are just players in big moments you want out there.
It's a short porch in right field. Have a guy
who hits line, drives deep in the lineup, regardless lefty, righty,
and he's hitting well. So I mean to me, I'm
not anti analytics guy, but I mean yankee field. If
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you got a power hitter from the left side of
the plate and he's hitting well over the last three
or four weeks, just play him, Just play him. Baseball
postseason has always been about stars in big moments delivering,
and I don't think there is a favorite.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Tonight.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
You got young pitchers who knows okay, let's talk Dodgers.
You know, for as much money as they spent, it's
a terrifying experience to watch the Dodgers in the seventh
and eighth innings before they get to their closer. So
they had thirteen hits and eight runs. It's one of
the all time great lineups. Rookie Bets last night's insane
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Mookie Bets gets four hits, three RBIs. Remember early in
the year he had a stomach virus. He was he
had a terrible like career, terrible slump. Well, he's on
a heater now. And listen, the Dodgers just have too
much talent. They just overpower Cincinnati. The Reds are a
young team, they're still they're good, but they've got holes
that the Dodgers don't. But we said yesterday the Dodger
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stars have to deliver at the plate and they also
have to get excellent starting pitching.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Okay, and last night they.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Scored eight runs without a home run. So it's interesting
with the Dodgers. They can grind out at bats too.
It's not just home runs. They can grind out at bats.
They also got Yamamoto. Yashinobu Yamamoto, their best pitcher came in.
He was dealing after a kind of a rocky start.
But then you went to the bullpen.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yikes. Then you went too the bullpen, and it's a nightmare.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
They threw forty one pitches in the eighth inning the
Dodger bullpen. In fact, in the sixth, seventh and eighth innings,
the Dodgers bullpen through eighty four pitches. Watching a Dodger game,
if you're a Dodger fans literally like watching a horror
movie with a great cat. You just wait to the
last ten minutes and see if your favorite survive. So
this is one of the all time great lineups with
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a double, the Trifa, a bullpen. Now the glimmer of
hope is Roki Sazaki. They brought over from Japan. He's
a twenty three year old. He throws absolute gas. They've
moved him to the bullpen. They're gonna need him to
be great against the Phillies because that Philly lineup, it's
a lot scarier than the Cincinnati Reds lineup. And so
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the glimmer of hope for the Dodgers is, Okay, can
the starters go seven and two thirds and then can
we go to our closer, because if you've got to
use that those seventh and eighth inning guys, it is
a problem. They're struggling with the Reds. You're not going
to Philadelphia and holding those leads. So there's a way
to win. You hold your breath. They didn't hit a
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bunch of home runs last night. They grind out at bat.
They moved the runners over it singles, doubles, driving in people.
But the primary concern against ball market Cincinnati is once
again on display.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
And here's Dave Roberts in the locker room. There's a
lot of work to be done.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
My only ass is that every single guy be ready
when called upon.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Keep your mind right. We're gonna eat every single one
of you guys.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Stay in it, stay focused, keep playing for each other.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Let's go it.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I mean, it's all hands on deck against the Phillies.
I think my gut feeling is I would take the Phillies.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I think.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
You know, all lines that are bad can't win Super Bowls.
Patrick Mahomes been blown out twice in Super Bowls. A
bad old line, you can't win it.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
All.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
This bullpen problematic all year long. I will say this,
it keeps every Dodger game interesting, Like every Dodger game
is interesting. But and Yankees Red Sox tonight, who knows
two young pitchers, I mean, who delivers. But I do
think it's interesting, you know, managing the Yankees. I've known
Aaron Boone for one while managing the Yankees is I mean,
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it's just different.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Games in New York are different.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
It's like like games at Georgia Alabama just feels different.
You know, there are just certain parts of the country
where stuff matters more. These Yankee games in Yankee Stadium,
I know it's not maybe as good as the old
Yankee Stadium. Uh it's it's a lot nicer stadium. But
who knows. I mean, you don't write tonight. I you
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all hands on deck. I mean with the Yankees. Seriously,
if the game was if the game was four to
four and you go to the ninth inning, would the
Red Sox bring in Garrett Crochet for two batters?
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I think you'd have to.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I mean, wild Wild Card Round got three games, you're
on the road for all of them. And if you're
if you're the Red Sox and you need two outs,
you go to the your big left hander. I think
I think it's all hands on deck. J Mack, that
was fun last night. That was really fun last night.
It won't be nearly as much fun tonight. Is the
Rams Hammer.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Well we'll talk about that soon. But a big week
for New York.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Right.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Yankees win last night in a thriller.
Speaker 7 (11:08):
They're probably winning today, and you know the Jets are
delivering it home on Sunday against the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
You know, I don't know about the Giants.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I don't know if they'll say this this year.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
The Red Sox have played great at Yankee Stadium.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
If I had to flip a coin, I probably say
Boston in a close game, Okay, But I mean I
don't But my takeaway is on the Yankees is the
Yankees were at a deficit in Game one starting pitcher
and lost. The Yankees had the better starting pitcher last
night and one, and the difference was the Yankees made
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little airs in Game one. Red Sox took advantage in
this one. Little airs by the Red Sox and Alex
Cora excellent manager, and the Yankees won. But remember the
guys upstairs in the analytics department, they're set in the lineups.
So Jazz his home, he's not playing. What you watched
last night. You saw his defense. Yankees defense was excellent
last night. You saw his base running. So you know,
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I don't like I mean, in the NBA, the head
coach sets the rotation. In the NFL, nobody's telling Andy
Reid who to start. But in baseball you're told. I mean, yesterday,
before the game started, I saw the Yankee lineup and
I'm like, oh, that's a better lineup. He's got Jazz
and that's a better lineup. So I don't know, we'll
get tonight. I think it'll be an all timer classic
and I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
All right.
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There's a way San Diego has to play, and they
played yesterday at Wrigley Field. So there's a story out
today is that the Vikings are in a little bit
of a dilemma, and the headline today is is it
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too early to question what the Vikings did letting.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Sam Donald go? All right?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
So Sam Donald was great in Minnesota, much better than
I think JJ McCarthy could ever be. I really believe
that he had thirty five touchdowns, twelve picks, forty three
hundred yards last year.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
It was unbelievable on the road.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I don't think JJ McCarthy is that Donald and Minnesota
had a one h three passer rating. Donald and Seattle
as one seven passer rating. He's an elite athlete. He
is big, he is strong. I always said that he's
somewhere between Carson Wentz and Andrew Luck. He's a really,
really big time talent. Can be a little reckless, but
if you give him a good coach and structure, he's
a baller.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
He's a great player.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
So that's the first thing is I think they wanted
to sign Sam Darnold, but they wanted a bargain and
Sam's agent and Sam said, now I want to be
a starting quarterback without some young guy hovering over me.
So the first thing I'm going to defend Minnesota. It
is really hard to find a franchise quarterback really hard.
Go look at the Jets since Joe Namath or the
Dolphin since Dan Marino Cleveland, Let's not even get into it.
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I mean, the Saints have only had two really elite
franchise quarterbacks in the entire franchise history, Archie Manning and
Drew Brees. I mean, strangely, Cincinnati weird sheep. Cincinnati always
gets quarterback right, Kenny Anderson, Boomerasias and Carson Palmer. Andy
Dalton made the playoffs four times in Joe Burrow, Yeah,
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small mark it frugal to the point of being cheap.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
The Bengals have always nailed it.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
The Chargers, who disappoint fans always you kind of feel
deep down the end or a cheap The Chargers get
quarterback right, Dan Fouts, Stan Humphries took him to a
Super Bowl, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Justin Herbert.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
But I mean Tampa has been.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Around since nineteen what seventy six, Baker Mayfield's the first
quarterback they've ever had to make multiple Pro Bowls, so
it is hard to find a quarterback. And we bang
on Tua, but I mean, you know, the Dolphins, Let's
be honest, he made a Pro Bowl. They had the
number one offense with him, but he feels small. Feel
it's hard you take toa you keep him, you extend him.
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I guess I didn't like the contract, so it's very hard.
The second thing is, once you draft a quarterback like
JJ McCarthy in the first round, first.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Round, are you gonna cut bait? What are you supposed
to do?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Now?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Play him?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
He's played a couple of games and one of his
quarters was great, the other seven not so much. But
you know, he's young. I thought he was overvalued. I
thought he was more of a second round but you know, whatever,
But what are you gonna do? They wanted Donald, but
they wanted him on a discount. They like Daniel Jones,
they wanted him in a discount. Well, Daniel Jones wants
to start without JJ McCarthy breathing down his neck and
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Donald wants to start. So I mean, Donald and Daniel
Jones are like, well, well you got this young guy
behind us. The minute we struggled and go to two
game losing streak, we're out. So I don't blame Donald,
I don't blame Daniel Jones, and I don't blame Kevin
O'Connell you got to play him. He just looks like
he's a little overwhelmed in Kevin O'Connell as this season. Now,
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is it a tipping point? Does it circle? The drain
talks about their quarterback position, played.
Speaker 8 (16:39):
A lot of guys at the position, and we've you know,
tried to navigate those times by you know, being at
our best for that player and ultimately try to do
the things that they're most comfortable with. And that can
be different when you think about Kirk Cousins to Sam
Donald and JJ McCarthy to now Carson Wentz, and there's
been others that have played at a really high level
and helped us win some games along the way as well.
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So I think it's I think it's just, you know,
it's it's not leaving any stone unturned.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Minnesota feels like the Indianapolis Colts, good roster, well run,
smart GM, excellent offensive coach, and you for the last
several years are looking for the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Like I think Minnesota is well run.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I think they have an excellent coaching staff, they got
star players everywhere.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
You're limited in this sport without a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
College football, you can win a Natty without a great
quarterback Canton, the Pros and Indianapolis. I've been saying this
for two years. Everybody's banging on the organization and the GM.
Chris palder To keep saying they got dudes. I fall
to the draft. They drafted players, they got like seven
eight elite guys.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
They have a great old line. They just didn't have
a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
And so you know, everybody, it's like banging on Major
League Baseball managers. Folks, the lineup is set upstairs. I mean,
what if JJ Reddick drove to the arena in Los
Angeles and the analytics department said, here's who has to start,
and hear the first three off the bench. I'm not
going to give you all the heat when you lose.
So I think baseball managers used to set the lineup.
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They don't anymore. Z Chisholm. You're told he's not playing,
the numbers say he's not playing. Well, then he does
and you're like, oh, yeah, he's got a lot of
juice he needs to play. Then Ben Rice, no, analytics
say is a lefty, and that's funny. He played last
night two nothing Yankees. So I hate to be really
hard on organizations that I think are well run the
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Vikings and the Coles. It's hard to find quarterbacks. I
mean I can give you like six franchises. I mean, God,
before Brady and Baker showed up to Tampa and they
have a great GM, they were bailing water for years
at quarterback.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
It is hard. Jay Macklin News.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
No news, This is the herd line News.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Start with the biggest story in the NFL, and that's
the injury to Lamar Jackson. The Baltimore's son is reporting
he's going to be out two to three weeks. But
John Harbaugh, I don't know if this is gamesmanship or
he just doesn't want to talk about it, but he
is being a little combative with the media regarding Lamar's injury.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Here we go.
Speaker 8 (19:15):
I really don't have any information on that, and I
really don't think it matters.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
You know, it's not really what I'm thinking about.
Speaker 8 (19:21):
I'm thinking about the team and getting ready to practice,
and Lamar's working.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
You know, he's doing a great job, you would.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Say, David, David ten, I just don't say anything.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
That's what I would do.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
I just don't want to take a eight tight at him.
Yeah yeah, yeah, Well we just let leave it alone.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
And we'll just I mean, wait, you out four.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Yeah, the injury thank you, The injury report will be
out of four.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Yeah, real funny. I mean we gamble on this league.
We do survivor, we do fantasy.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
He cares. The least you can do. The least you
can do is just come clean. He's out.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Just say it.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
He's not practicing.
Speaker 7 (19:54):
And there is a chasm, a difference between when Lamar
plays and when he does it.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
So we have the stats.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
When Lamar's in the two time MVP, Shocker is awesome
and the Ravens are dominant.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I've told you without him, I've told you before. I've
said this ten times in the history of me hosting
a radio or TV show. I think the NFL should
ban the injury reports.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Oh stop it, come on.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I mean, the last thing you need is to tell
the other defensive line. Yeah, the left guard's got a
bad knee. Go ask Mark schlera. If you knew a
defensive tackle had a bad shoulder, you go after the shoulder.
I think the NFL should ban injury reports.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Who care?
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I mean, listen, I love gambling on football. You gotta
you gotta keep the players safe. It's about all these
sports have one rule. Protect the athlete. That is the
number one rule. Make sure you don't put them in
the crosshairs of everybody knows. Hey, right guard's got a
bad left ankle.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
What are you gonna do? Dive your helmet into his antieater?
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Come on, we're not attacking injury. Come on, you have
to have this stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Come on?
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Who does the fans, the.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
Millions of people who watch the games, Why does it
go to games?
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Why does a fan have to have a knee report
on a left guard?
Speaker 7 (21:13):
I listen, I don't need specifics on the exact injury,
but we need to know if these guys are gonna play,
or they're healthy or not. You don't think that stuffs relevant.
I mean it was like a hip ho Colin. We
took injury reports here on the show every day Monday
through Friday, the whole football season.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
That's huge. You're just taking that out now, and we're
just about this.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
If I miss a day of work, Fox cannot tell
people why. And I'm just a radio TV guy. But
in the NFL, a pro league worth billions, if a
player is hurt, you got to be specific.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Yeah, I know you are a quarterback in high school.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
But you're you're a TV radio guy.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I shouldn't. I just I don't like the injury.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
If I was a coach, I would be Bury, John Harbaugh, Belichick.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
I'd be like, we'll see, well, it looks like it's
Cooper Rush and the Texans are favored by one and
a half. Next up Colin another injury plagued game, and
that's tonight, Thursday Night football.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
I know it doesn't have.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
The glimmer that it usually would when shanahan and mcvego
at it. But no Purty, no Jennings, no Pearsol, no Ayuk.
So that's wide receivers one, two and three and QB
one and Kittles out and Bosa's out. I mean, this
is this is rough and you can see what the lines.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
At least they have that, at least they have their
best quarterback playing. Wow.
Speaker 7 (22:32):
Wow, Mac Jones, he and Christian McCaffrey and Fred Warner
basically against the entire Rams team.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
I'm just curious. This is a divisional matchup.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
No, it'll be close because it'll be a touchdown game.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Are you taking the eight and a half.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I already told you it's it's five and a half.
I loved the rams. This is one of those lines
you had to jump on early. That's not always the case.
Sometimes you do get better lines closer to the game.
This line and all the you kind of hemming and
hauling on the injuries, We're all like, oh, they're kind.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Of beat up.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
This was the second best bet on the board on
Monday or Tuesday. Now it's a stayaway game.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
Now, listen.
Speaker 7 (23:09):
The injuries are a story in the London game. They're
all over the league. It's a thing. I am gonna
just ask you this.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
Do you think that Shanahan is a little tick that
he's got to play a Thursday game against his division rival.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
I don't think early on.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
The season, he's just like, guys, just sit out. We
don't need I mean, are we going to see McCaffrey
get shut down after a quarter and a half?
Speaker 6 (23:28):
Two quarters?
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I don't think coaches like Thursday games. But it's the
machine known as the NFL. So some streamer comes in
and gives them billions of dollars and they say, okay.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Yes, final story Colin, Oh gosh, we got to talk
about him briefly. The Shedure pantomime yesterday I mean, we've
never seen anything like it.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
The internet was just went crazy. But of course Deon
Sanders keeps the flame going. He went on Instagram and
backed up his son. Here we go, good one, son.
You did that with like a bunch of laughing moojis.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Well, he said, Dad he should support He doesn't care
what we think. Dad should support their son.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Do you think he cares what the NFL thinks?
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Well, I mean it's I mean, that ship feels like
it's almost saled. People have made their mind up on
Shador Sanders as a kind of marginal talent who's a
little silly. And but you know, this is such a
weird story. I like it, said, I don't want to
pick on sh Sanders.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
Well, people think that, but we're not. Remember I was here.
Speaker 7 (24:30):
The week of the draft saying I think Schador's going
top five.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
He's gonna be come.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
On, I thought he was a late first early second
round quarterback. I watched him played fifteen times, ten times
at Colorado. Accurate, move well, tough, he got sacked all
the time.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
He was a tough kid.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
But you know it, just so everybody knows, Like no
people who analyzed the draft thought he was dropping in
the fifth round. So this clearly is something that everybody
missed that teams were in lockstep on, like we don't
want to get in bed with this, we just don't listen.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I've put some of the blame on Dion. I think
going Super Bowl week on radio, going to Radio Row
and saying, hey, we don't want certain teams to draft him,
I thought was a huge, huge mistake. It by the way,
sometimes dads moms love their kids so much, you know,
they squeezed too hard, and so I thought that was
a huge, huge mistake. And the NFL said, oh, okay,
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and then we find out the Ravens and the Eagles
were interested, and basically the memo, the message was sent out,
now we don't want to be backups to Lamar and
Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I thought that was a mistake.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
I think when you're in your twenties and are really
good corporation calls and they don't pay it quite what
you want, and you don't get the position quite what
you want, take it.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I'm not saying you do that when you have.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Kids in your thirties or your forties and fifties, but
in your twenties opportunities from great companies don't happen. We've
seen all these great college athletes go to horrible teams and.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Have their careers wrecked.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
If the Ravens and the Eagles call, go, I'm not
saying if you're an establish later, but go. There's just
not that many well run NFL teams.
Speaker 7 (26:05):
If Google comes to your college campus is like, yeah,
we're interested in you, it's gonna be You're not going
to rise to the top instantly.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
Yes, Google, I'm coming on board. Let me get my
foot in the door.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Somebody told me this when I moved to the Northeast
for eleven years. They said, when you go to a
private school in the Northeast that they have legendary boarding schools.
It's not for the academics, it's for the connections you go.
You know, people always say that about Stanford. Cal is
easier to get in, but they'll flunk you out. Stanford's
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impossible to get in, but once you get in, they
don't want to flunk you out. It's all the relationships
you make. It's the same thing. Go to the Ravens,
go to the Eagles. Somebody will spot you at practice. Eventually,
get a job somewhere else and go that Shader kid
was a hard worker at practice. I mean, how often
does that happen in the NFL? Well, where a coach
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hires a coach or a player follows a coach because
they really formed a bond and they're not like stars,
You're just like, oh, no, no, I coached him over here.
Let's bring him on and give him a bigger role.
So it's I mean, like, if you go look at
Sam Donald's career, he goes to San Francisco and Shanahan's like,
I love the guy.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
And then Sean.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
McVay is talking to Kevin O'Connell and Kevin O'Connell's like,
calls Kyle Shanahan. They're all buddies, and Kevin O'Connell's like, okay,
let's go buy Sam Donald well, because he was with
the Niners, not playing, he was a backup, and they're
all buddies and they're all talking. And that's how Sam
Donald's career started, sitting on the bench in San Francisco
watching Shanahan and Shanahan calling people in the league and
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saying I love the kid. He practiced hard, He's a great,
great teammate, that's life. That's how it works when you're
in your twenties. Jmck with the news, Well that's the news,
and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
The herd line.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
We said this yesterday, Cubs Padre is going to a
third game. I think I like Chicago here. San Diego
has a way to play. I mean they went to
the bullpen. They pulled their starter in the fourth inning.
He hadn't given up a run. They just want to
get to their amazing bullpen. And so in this game
at Wrigley, San Diego scores first, and their two best players,
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tatis and Manny Machado. You know, they provide the offense yesterday.
So Manny Machado comes up, fifth inning, Bang, there it goes.
Suddenly it's three nothing. They scored in the first inning.
You get two runs there. Tatisa walked, Machado Jackson out
three nothing. Yep, with that bullpen, good night. I mean
they surrendered that bullpen for San Diego surrendered one hit
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in five innings.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
And again they pulled their starter in the fourth he
hadn't given up a run.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
They want to take a quick lead and they want
to get to the bullpen, and the bullpen most notably
is Mason Miller, who throws absolute gas one O two,
one oh three. He actually threw a one oh four
point five pitch, an all time postseason baseball record. So,
I mean, again, this is how they have to play.
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They're two best players, Machado and Tatis have to create
offense and then they want to go to the bullpen early.
So San Diego had the force fourth most wins in
baseball scoring three runs or fewer. So immediately when they
take a one nothing lead, you're like, I mean, seriously, that.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
May win it for you.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
You just got to get to the bullpen.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
And here's Machado on the w pust is about man.
Speaker 9 (29:34):
It's it's a beautiful, beautiful thing to be playing here
and in front of these crowds, and you know what's
on you know, what's he stake. So, uh, you know,
our boys went out there and you know, competed as
well as well as you can. Sometimes you gotta hit
a stoft and not hit it as hard, you know,
to get stuff going. But uh yeah, I mean swing's
there's just got to continue doing it and continue rinding and
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having good at bats.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
You know, most teams, now Milwaukee can beat you. With singles.
They can beat you with starting pitching. Milwaukee can beat
you with a bullpen. They've got power, Milwaukee's rare. They
can beat you in a million ways. The Dodgers, by
the way, beat you with home runs. They can grind
out at bats, they can beat you with starting pitching.
Everything's about avoiding the bullpen until you get to know
the very last closer. So the reality is, most teams
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in baseball have a way to win, even though there's
not a salary cap. Some markets, there's limitations. San Diego,
Machado's got a hit. Tatis has to be somewhat productive
on offense. Let's get to the bullpen by the fifth
or sixth inning or sooner. That's what they did yesterday
and they even.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Up the series.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Urban Myers around the corner. Greg cost Sell huge college
weekend last weekend. I've got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
It's so funny, Oregon. All these former Pac twelve coaches
are complaining now about the Big Ten travel, And my
take is you're the ones that we're begging to get
into the conference, and now.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
They're all like, well, we traveled too much.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Well, I mean, nobody was watching you when we were playing
the other conference, and you want to be in the
Big Ten. It gets cold, and well you complain about
the weather again. I mean it's you're making a lot
more money in the Big Ten. Gee, the Big Ten
yesterday did some I think they're doing a two billion
dollar deal. Like, I don't want to hear it. It's
not hurting Oregon. Oregon keeps winning.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
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Speaker 1 (31:33):
Cubs, Padres, Yankees, Red Sox. We'll have more on that
coming out. We just had one of the great college
football weekends of all time, and Urban Meyer is going
to join me.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
So Urban, you.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Went four and one against James Franklin, and I have
defended him forever. I defended Ryan Day when he was
losing to Georgia and Harbaugh. I'm like, Okay, who's he
losing to? And I've defended James Franklin. But when you
have an NFL quarterback the offensive roster, you're favored, you're
at home, you gotta win that game. And I thought
(32:06):
landing in Dante more like I think for the first
time ever, Urban, I thought James Franklin deserves criticism.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Is it fair?
Speaker 10 (32:15):
We certainly it's fair whenever you had a blue blood place,
and Penn State is. But I brought this up on
Big Noon, Colin. I might have said this to you
last week that I've been at Columbus when you lose
a game and walking off that stadium and life ends
as you know it. I mean, the world goes dark
and ann arbor you lose a game, and I mean
the nasty et cetera, etc. That you see there at
Penn State, the pageantry and the white out is second
(32:38):
to none. However, I've been at Penn State when we
won some close games and I walk off the field
in the you know, it's tay close, seeing a couple
of years and the nicest people, and I'm thinking, I wonder,
I wonder if deep down that I'm not saying it's
good enough. But it's just it's not life or death.
So I don't I think he's doing a great job.
I think, you know, you talk, Ryan Days got a
wolver Raine problem, and and Penn State's got a couple
(33:02):
of problem Oregon. Everybody's got their little flaws that they
just got to work out. So is criticism right to
answer your question, yes, Is it time to make a
change or even talk about that?
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
So you coached in the SEC, and I've told people before,
is I knew the SEC was different? When I worked
in Tampa. I was a sportscaster and I went to
cover to do a Florida Gator story. Spurrier was the
coach and a body Bowden was at Florida States and
it was Wednesday, and I showed up to Gainesville and
there were people parked in the parking lot on Wednesday.
(33:34):
And I'm like, I grew up a Husky fan, Like
we love the game, but we didn't shum up till
Friday night or Saturday morning. And so I felt kilin
de boor beating Georgian Athens, and I'm counting Nick Saban.
I don't know of a bigger regular season win at Alabama.
I went back last night and googled it. In the
last six years you've been there, you watched that. What
(33:58):
do you make of how hard it is at these
traditional powers to get support.
Speaker 10 (34:04):
Oh, it's beyond heard, and it's not something you just
get overnight. It's something that got to be sustained. And certainly,
you know you talk about that win. I don't want
to say that was a job saver, but it was
a job saver. I mean that was incredible. That was
to go into to between the hedges there. You know,
I've never been there. I've never been to Athens, Georgia.
But everything, you know, first of all, you'd be a
(34:25):
great team. But also, and I made a comment on
Big Noon, that is a big boy win with there
must be some some tough ass guys in Alabama locker
room because they came back from I mean they were
dead and buried after that first loss. People are counting
them out. Now they're not being count out at all.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
And I thought the coaching was great. I thought, and
I currently Smart's great. I thought Kalen out coached him.
And I think in that mattered. It wasn't a flukey play,
it wasn't officials. It was like that was a game plan. Okay,
So I watched Ohio. I thought Ohio State would win.
I thought be closer. And I gotta tell you it's interesting.
I think Ohio State is playing with so much confidence
(35:07):
off winning a national championship. It's like when I watched
that Texas game, I'm like, they just were really confident.
They didn't panic, they slowed down the offense. I watched
them at Husky Stadium. That place has engulfed great coaches.
There is something about winning a Natty. But when I
watch them now, they feel different than they did that
(35:29):
moment they lost as a favorite to Michigan. The last
four or five games they played. Coach, it feels different
for Ohio State.
Speaker 10 (35:36):
And it does with the whole new set of coordinators,
a new quarterback, and a bunch of new players and
Ryan Day. You know, someone showed me that he met
passed Newt Rockney. You start whenever you say the words
Newt Rockney, the name Newt Rockney and your name next
to it. That's pretty cool. So we've won a few
national championships. The year after some times can be really hard,
(35:57):
at times miserable. I don't feel it at all, and
talk to a lot of guys still within the program,
and I think what him and his staff are done
is nothing less than maybe the best coaching job yet.
To have two wins, to beat Texas, to go on
the road across the country and go into that environment
against that That quarterback, to me is a stud demon.
Williams Junior I mean, he's a monster to hold them.
(36:19):
They're playing a whole different level of defense than anybody
else in the country right now.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
You play defense like that, Colin, you don't lose.
Speaker 10 (36:26):
If you think about this, walk into the offensive staff
room and say, if we score two to three touchdowns,
we win that game.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
That's what they're doing right now.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah, you know it's Miami looks the part. They're big physical.
I always thought Miami was about seventy percent a college
football job and thirty percent a pro football job because
they don't.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
They don't.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
They're not like college. It's not about the band. They
don't have this massive following. It's a pro market, and
so it's interesting. There isn't quite the pressure that you
get in the big ten of the SEC, but it's
also harder sometimes to revenue and keep assistance. Do you
think Miami is officially back or it's just nil it's
(37:09):
this year? What do you make of their kind of
resurgence here?
Speaker 10 (37:14):
What I like the best is their coaching staff, their
head coach, and consistency. He's been fairly consistent. I went
back as I'm doing part of Big Newton, I'm going
to cover this game the Florida State, Miami and not
that long ago, Colin the winner of this game won
eight national championships. So it's great to see. There's a
little bit of a think about that. The winner of
(37:34):
this game back in the Bobby Bowden and the Jimmy Johnson,
you know that era, Larry Coker era, they won eight
national titles a winner of this game. I'm not saying
it's there yet, but I like consistency. I've always had
respect for Crystal Ball. I know that's his home. If
he can't do it, then I'm not sure in our
lifetime Miami will ever be back.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
So I'm not saying it.
Speaker 10 (37:56):
Back yet, but this is as close as it's been
in fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah, they definitely passed the eye test. I've always said
college football is better when Texas, Miami and us ERE winning.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
It just feels bigger. It just feels bigger.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
By the way Dante Moore, all these Pac twelve coaches now,
I just saw a story this morning. They're all complaining
about the travel and the Big ten, and it's like, uh,
stop it.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
It's not hurt in Oregon.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
I think Dante Moore, if I was an NFLGM, Dante
Moore would be my first pick. I'm serious. I thought
he blew me away in that game. What did you
make of it? We've covered him, I stood next to him.
He's not really the biggest guy, but I've watched him play.
His performance at the end of that game and overtime
was phenomenal. He is the most humble, lead by example
(38:45):
type guy. The coach loves him, Dan Lanny loves him.
Speaker 10 (38:48):
I would just I've always pumped the brakes on that
because I think that's the one position that you need time.
You need to be time tested. He has not been
time tested yet. You know it's gonna You know. I
had Dwayne Haskins's rest of soul, But when people started
saying the word he should leave after one year, I
would always pump the breaks and say not that position.
And he left, and I still think Dwayne would have
(39:09):
been maybe the number one pick overall if he came back.
I just think that position, there's none like it in
all and once I'm not well versed enough in the
other sports I am, in football, there's no position like quarterback. Yeah,
the amount of stress that's put on you every snap,
knowing what everybody has to do, not having a bad day,
not having a bad snap. So I think at some
(39:32):
point he will be I would pump the brakes and
just his body work has to grow.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
I love the kid though. Yeah, Stoic calmb and all
that pressure really emotional. See an emotional after that one? Did?
I want see him get emotional after that big win?
I was beautiful. It was a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah, I thought it's just a neat I mean I
covered the Oregon program. That was one of the biggest
games in the history of the program. I really believe
that that was an unbelievable for them to travel three
thousand miles and win that game is something else that's
I'm we watch Bama going to Athens, Oregon go East.
Those were huge wins for those programs. Urban Meyer, great senior.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Zoas Thanks Collin saved you.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Urban and I worked together last weekend. We were on
that college football show. Reportedly in that segment waiting, I'm
seeing the biz popped.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
We'll check for yourself, be pop. Greg co Selma
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