Colin Cowherd breaks down the Philadelphia Eagles' shocking fourth-quarter meltdown against the Denver Broncos, handing the Eagles their first loss of the NFL season. He dives into the Eagles offensive struggles, poor execution in crunch time, and what it means for their Super Bowl hopes
Dak Prescott continues to show how underappreciated he is this season after another great performance
Drake Maye looks like a new man ever since hooking up with HC Mike Vrabel
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Here we go. It is a Monday. We're live in LA.
It's the Herd.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. You know,
jmck you said something about five minutes ago, as we
were sitting here at jotting some notes down the bottom
of the NFL is like the bottom of the NBA.
Now there are some bad teams. Two of them may
be in New York. It was done a good weekend
for New York sports, Yankees, Giants, Jets, even Buffalo upstate.
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But we've been sitting waiting for Philadelphia if they keep winning,
and we keep waiting for Philadelphia to lose, and finally
they met their match.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, hey, Denver Broncos, your guy Bonicks yep.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
So in football and in.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Life, drip drip drip, like people don't wake up and
just decide, let's get a divorce. There were signs companies
don't go from great quarterly earnings too, we're bankrupt. There
are signs, warning signs, red flags, arguments. Philadelphia has been
a leaky faucet for five weeks. We've been talking about this.
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Saquon Barkley, his production's been cut in half. The Lions
have two running backs that are more productive than Saquon Barkley.
They labor to get the ball to Aj Brown, an
elite wide receiver. The offensive line used to be the
best in the sport. Middle of the pack doesn't even
look close to Detroit's now. So I've been preaching this
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for three years. Nick Seriani is not a scheme guy, Okay,
so he is very offensive coordin dependent, all right, So
when he has a great coordinator, he gets the Super Bowls.
He hired Brian Johnson, didn't work circle the drain. He
missed on a coordinator. Hired somebody in the building that
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had never called plays before.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Could be a good coach, but right now.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
At this moment in that coach's life, probably not the
right fit with this veteran offense. And it just it
took a half. But bow Knicks, who's still a kid.
Bo Nicks has played what twenty two starts in the NFL.
He's gonna have bad halves, he's gonna have bad throws.
But in that second half, Sean Payton and this is
what he does, maybe as good as any coach in
this league. That's second half. Sean Payton extracted every yard
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out of that offense. Two point conversions on the road,
noisy crowd, everybody involved, multiple receivers running the ball. Another
very good Denver draft. All these guys can play, and
bow Knicks, that dude is athletic, and he is fast.
He used to hold the ball a little long last year.
Bow Knicks is seeing it and let it rip. So
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the better team, the better coach, and yes, the better quarterback.
By the second half of that game, we're on display.
And this is nothing against Nick Sara Janni, but he's
got a stacked roster. And don't even try to convince
me forty five yards rushing. The big plays are gone.
They were a good big play team. They're done. They're
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seventeenth in the NFL in big plays with aj Brown,
Deavonte Smith, Saquon Barkley, Jalen Hurts. They're seven their middle
of the pack on big plays. Yards per play has tanked.
Saquon Barkley's getting touched a yard into the carry, not
two and a half. So this is not on the players.
The players were great last year. What did they do
all eat twinkies in the offseason? Give me a break.
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It's a coordinator higher and that's okay. A lot of
coaches in this league are not Kyle Shanahan. Kyle Shanahan
Thursday Night, goes out with backups everywhere and out coaches
Sean McVay. He's a scheme guy. Coordinators much less relevant
than Kyle Shanahan. And it's not a knock on Sirianni,
but that's not what he is. And so if he
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makes the wrong oc higher, this is not the same team.
It's not the players, it's not the effort, it's not
the toughness. Coaching matters. We've seen this more and more
coordinating matters in this league. Second half of that game,
Sean Payton put on a clinic bo Nicks with twenty
two starts against Vic Fangio, one of the best defensive
coordinators in the sport. Clinic up and down those last
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two drives and here's Sirianni after.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
I think that the guys have worked extremely hard in preparation.
I see the same hunger that was there prior to
us winning the Super Bowl. So I don't think it's
it's anything like that again, just this name of this
game is always going to come down to, you know, detail,
and you know, as far as us as coaches and players,
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we weren't detailed enough today and they were a little
more detailed than Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Usually my second story on a Monday isn't about a blowout.
But when Dak Prescott broke into this league, Zeke was
a great running back. The O line, Tyron Smith, Zach Martin,
it was the best O line in a decade in
the NFL. Dak got a lot of credit and didn't
have to do a lot of heavy lifting.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
He had a babysit Dez Bryant. That was about it.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
But he was a little overrated now, Dak, this Dak
is not getting enough credit. They don't have a number
one receiver currently, the offensive line is still in a
rebuild mode. Running game okay, staff, fine, defense, last in
the league, Okay, Dak Prescott, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield. It's
like they've hit the ten thousand hour rule. Like they're
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just I mean, they're all smart guys, but they have
reached another level of football IQ and Dak's gone from
a little over rated to now underappreciated. If I had
an MVP vote today, I would vote probably Baker Mayfield
one and Dak two. I would give Baker it because
he's won more games and he's won them late. But
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also Baker Mayfield has the better general manager, the better
rookie receiver. I think the overall roster in Tampa is
much better than the Cowboys roster. But right now, what
you're seeing Dak Prescott do this is the best stack
I've ever seen. First of all, I think he's lost
weight and gain strength. They're missing three offensive linemen. Ceedee
Lamb's a top five receiver. Doesn't have him running backs
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kind of by committee. Okay, not special, And listen, Brian
Schottenheimer deserves a lot of credit. We don't think he's
Andy Reider Sean Payton. So again, I I'm looking at
MVP right now. And here's the other thing to remember
about Dak where he deserves a lot of credit. Everybody
said when des Bryant left, he was in trouble. Nope,
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when Zeke left, he's in trouble. Tyron Smith left, Micah left,
the great Zach Martin, all these great players have left
in every time, as long as Dak Prescott is upright,
the Cowboys win double digit games. I mean, that's let's
be honest. Sometimes it takes a long time. You got
to read to the end of the book.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I ever read a mystery or a murder mystery and
you kind of figure it out with a fourth or
fifth chapter, and then they're really great books. Like like
all of a sudden, you're like, in chapter ten twelve, Dak,
you got to peel this onion.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
You gotta peel this.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
There was the a little over hype Dac with a
great o' line in a great run game, and Jerry
Jones at the time felt, you know, not quite as meddling.
And then all of a sudden, it's Mike McCarthy and
and Dak's actually putting up better numbers. And now McCarthy leaves.
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Brian Schottenheimer, who nobody loved, Ceedee Lamb is hurt, Mike
is gone. It is a lot of c plus players
and they're still rebuilding this offensive line and Dak looks unbelievable.
He was getting envy chance in New York and he
was asked about it after.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
I mean my hears work, so I heard it, but
I didn't hear it. To your answer, it's week five,
I don't care. I don't care if it was week seventeen.
I've told y'all what I want to win. The team
goals right now. The success and the continued success is
going to happen is just a beneficiaria of all the
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guys in that locker room.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Again, Oas says the right thing.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
He is a dropped pass against Philadelphia from being three
to one and one. Don't pay attention to the two
to two and one. He is playing next level. Remember
they tied green Bay, and I mean the way green
Bay was running the clock late in that game could
have won it. They had Philadelphia beat Ceedee Lamb at
his worst game as a pro. Three drops one, I
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mean right in the bread basket, So you can't. Sometimes
the record doesn't belie the truth. Dak's planned out of
his mind, so is Baker, so is Darnold. It's these
old guys they got the ten thousand hours, but I
think I would vote Baker Mayfield MVP of the league today.
I think I would have right now Dak runner up
from you know, a little over hyped to is everybody
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paying attention to what's happening here? Coaching staff, ownership, O line.
I mean, find me a guy in the league that's
working with a bunch of mid that's putting up those numbers.
Well it's the Jets. Well the Jets look pretty good
against the Steelers. The Jets didn't look that bad last week.
Whatever's happening. Dak goes on the road. It's one of
my favorite picks of the week. I mean that thing
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was what was that thing? Twenty three at three at
half thirty to three at one point, and Dak's putting
on a clinic that is amazing. So j Mack, who
did you went five and one in your picks? I
had a winning week as well, So we know, taking
over a less talented team and rebuilding it, it's hard, Yeah,
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to Aaron Glenn's great example, but it's not that hard,
just like anything in life, taking over a building, a business,
I mean, you know, for a therapist, fixing a rocky marriage,
it's hard, but it's not that hard. Competent people can
do it. How about New England. How about what Mike
Vrabel's doing and Drake May's doing.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Drake May looks amazing, incredible fourth quarter line.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
York Jets had more high end players when Aaron Glenn
took him over than New England had. I don't and
a more experienced quarterback and justin fields. So again, same division.
I'm not saying it isn't hard, but you're seeing a
gap between Mike Rable and Aaron Glenn in a month.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
It's not even.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
So we'll talk about that. It's easy to beat up
on Buffalo. I don't think last night was about the
Buffalo Bills at all. I think everybody in this sport
has a stinker. They fumbled it, it was ball security
was a mess. We'll talk about what's happening in New
England as well as Baker and Sam, who put on
an absolute clinic yesterday.
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Speaker 1 (11:44):
Well, Stefan Diggs had a great homecoming. He was a
very valuable receiver for the Buffalo Bills when he was there.
Then he came back and he comes back to the
New England Patriot. So I'm not going to beat up
too much on the Bills. They don't lose it home much.
It was just one of those games. They couldn't hold
onto the football. They didn't particularly well. And Buffalo's fine,
it's Buffalo great. I don't know, but Buffalo just didn't
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play well. And you have games like this. The Chiefs
in their dynasty, the Patriots in their dynasty had games
like this. This game was about the culture that Mike
Vrabel has built and about Drake May now the legitimate
head coach, quickly becoming a franchise star. This one we called,
I said, basically Vrabel, and I picked him to make
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the playoffs despite being bad last year. Vrabel is the
opposite of Mike McDaniel in Miami. He is all function
and no flash. His brand, his scheme is toughness. He's
a two hundred and sixty pound pair of work boots.
And that is what Vrabel's all about. He's your classic CEO,
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brand creator, culture builder, all about resilience, all about toughness,
NFL coaching, and a lot of business is may scenery,
laying bricks every day, and that's what Vrabel does. He
still gives Brady and Belichick crap. He does not, you know,
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he doesn't. He honors many, he worships none. He's a
one of the smartest coaches in the league. And I
mean I and by the way, Belichick, you're seeing it
in college. Belichick doesn't know college personnel. He can't recruit
it in college. He couldn't draft it in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
He can't.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
And so Vrabel didn't get anything. The last five drafts
before Vrabel got there were nonsense crap. So he had
to get a GM and spend three hundred million bucks
to just get an NFL roster. But I look at it.
He also hiring Josh McDaniel. Again, not everybody is built
to be a head coach. Some guys are brilliant vice presidents.
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Josh McDaniel created Brady Brady in the early years, Charlie
Weisse Josh Mcdanidaniel, Brady was always willing to be coached.
Same with Drake Mayine. We said when Drake may came
out of college, he's justin Herbert. He just is not
quite polished enough. So it was speed dating, speed him
up quickly because Gerrod Mail was not it again, a
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guy that's more coordinator. But between Josh McDaniels, the culture, Vrabel,
the intelligence, this team's a playoff team. They check all
the boxes a playoff team does. Toughness, resilient, can win
on the road, excellent young quarterback. They've spent their money
in the right places, and if Stefan Diggs can stay healthy,
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you're not going to get a lot of over the
top throws in the playoffs and the AFC, you're not.
The weather's going to be lousy. But for the record,
the Titans are four and eighteen since Mike Rabel left.
That's one of the things we always talk about.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
It's not just.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
What you do when you arrive, what happens to the
company you left with Hardball, they go into the tank
with Rabel, the Titans are a laughing stock. Despite yesterday's
goofy win, they're a laughing stock, the worst team in
the league. So, I mean, this is not a small win.
This is a defining moment for Vrabel. I think they're
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actually I don't know if Mike Vrabel looked at the
schedule before the season and looked at this game and
thought it was that winnable. I think they're getting better
really fast. If you can look at Drake May's second
half stats the last three weeks, last four weeks, I mean,
they gave that game away against Pittsburgh. And he's a
young quarterback. I mean, Drake made a terrible red zone
pick against Pittsburgh. He's a young quarterback, he's a kid.
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He's got twenty starts. Bow Nick says, like twenty two starts.
But it's not about the bad throws. It's about can
you make the big boy throws? And Drake May last
night made about four of them. And it's like, oh, okay,
we had this is big boy football.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
That's c J.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Stroud that first year. He wasn't great every Sunday, but
he'd get protection. When he did, he'd make throws and
you're like, yeah, like six guys in the world that
can make that throw win for New England. This is
what a playoff team looks like. Now, I'm not sure
if it's a high level playoff team, but I mean,
burrows out Ravens are nonsense. They just beat Buffalo. Maybe
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they are. Here's Rabel after.
Speaker 9 (16:14):
I'm really proud of the whole team for being able
to come into this road environment. You know, we talk
about there's a lot of other people that had cracks
of beating them here. You know, for fourteen games, they
had their opportunity and we and then those players took
advantage of that opportunity and beat a really good football
team that hasn't lost here much.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, that was impressive. And by the way, here's the
earth thing I love. You ever see that thing Vrabel
does after the game. He greets every single player. Vrabel
is about the players. Belichick in the end was about Belichick, right,
Belichick became about Belichick and Vrabel's always been about the guys.
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It's very rare when you get somebody that's great at
the job and doesn't really have an ego. And I'm
telling you, I thought they'd be a wild card playoff team.
I think they're a head of schedule. I did not
expect them, I said this week, I took them to cover.
I said I'd take them to cover. It's a division
rivalry game. I didn't think I won'na win that thing.
Buffalo does not lose at home. J Mack with the News.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
This is the herd line News.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
If you want to buy low stock Patriots, here's who
they have next at Spencer Rattler first, cam Ward versus
Dylan Gabriel, Michael Pennix. There's still Jets and Giants on
the schedule. This could be an eleven win team calling
Jake Browning is coming up. Look at it. Look at this.
They're gonna win like eight or nine games before December.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
So do you realize this is gonna be my fifth string?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Oh gosh, what I bring that up?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Another hit for Calhard No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
My favorite bet every year is the what team will
double their win total?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Team?
Speaker 1 (17:56):
You take a crappy team. And again my take was
Jets and the Dolphins are not trending up. They're gonna
get four wins there. I didn't think they beat Buffalo,
But if you start looking at that schedule, I mean,
it's just I didn't think Tampa would be this good.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Their toughest game in the next seven weeks is at
Baker Mayfield. That's it, these guys. That's a good call
by you. All right, Let's get to a not so
good call. The Baltimore Ravens. Oh my gosh, Colin, this
team is bad, down bad right now, as the kids
like to say. They lose forty four to ten to
the Texans at home. The Ravens defense is on pace
to give up six hundred and two points, which would
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be the worst of all time. There's a stat floating
around they've given up one hundred and seventy seven points
through five games that Ray Lewis ed reed defense from
two thousand, that historically great cave up one hundred and
sixty five for the season. Here's John Harbaugh talking about
how bad it things are right now.
Speaker 10 (18:49):
Just a complete disappointment, and we have to find a
way to turn it around. Figure out who we are
this next week and then into the buy and after
the bye, we're gonna have more than half the season
left and we're gonna have to find our So that's
what our aim will be going forward.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
So they were down Roquan Smith, their middle linebacker, Marlon
Humphrew's their best corner, but he's not even playing good.
Kyle Hamilton, who's their chess piece on defense. They're not
winning any games without those guys. The backups were like
kind of undrafted dudes off the street getting cooked.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
That's what happens when you pay guys. When you're paying
Kyle or Rokwan smith Is, your backups aren't as good.
So there are very few rosters that have a ton
of depth. There just aren't many in the ENFL anymore
so because you that's why you have to and you
and I have discussed this a lot. You have to
really be careful in the NFL who you pay. You've
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got to be very careful because all you have to
do is pay one guy too much, and all of
a sudden, the linebacker in a corner go down, and
you have, like you have CFL players, but I mean
they pay their stars. Ronnie Stanley Lamar Jackson. They pay
their stars. Well, all it takes is three injuries. I mean,
go look at the Chargers right now without their offensive tackles.
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It's just it's not a functional offense.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Ronnie Stanley also missed the game. I don't know. I
don't want to get in this. Should they fire John
Harb But there's just too many injuries. It's not like
this is that right? Here's the problem. They got the
Rams on deck. Oh they're gonna lose, y'ah rams are
off extra time. If some of these guys don't come back,
I don't think they win.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Now.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
The good news is if we could get the Ravens
schedule in this week after the buye, their schedule is
a cakewalk.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Well, and also they'll get healthier, they'll get healthy. My
guess is they reel off six or seven wins post
Thanksgiving and they and they make it an eight to
nine or a nine and eight season. I don't think
it's a playoff team. I think I think teams like Denver.
Here comes Kansas City, Here's Denver. The Colts are absolutely
the real deal. Colt Jacksonville wins tonight. New England's the
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real deal. Listen, we're having a little changing of the
guard here. Burrow's hurt again, Ravens are a mess, and
all of a sudden, oh New England looks good. O.
Wait a minute, the Colts are totally legit.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Listen, if you want a decent bet, tell me if
you'd look at that schedule. Right, so you get the
Bears after the buye. They should beat the Bears with
Lamar and everybody, they're gonna beat the Dolphins. They should
beat JJ mccarth.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
They're gonna win eight or nine games.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Well, here's the thing. Can they still win the division?
Do you trust Aaron Rodgers in Pittsburgh to get separation? I?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Actually, the way Aaron's playing, I do. Listen, we thought
this could be the best division in football. It's arguably
the worst. With Burrow out and with Lamar out. So
it happens.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
They still got the Steelers twice. That's interesting. Now, let's
sorry to go to another bad team, but the Raiders
and beat Carol. Oh my gosh, they get destroyed by
the Colts yesterday forty six. It's bordering on embarrassing. Gino
Smith is just at rock bottom right now. I think
this is more about the Colts Colts are good. Yeah,
but forty to six and some of these decisions by Gino,
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he looks lost in the pocket.
Speaker 11 (21:49):
Now.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
He didn't have Bowers, which.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Hurts, and he doesn't have his best left tackle, so
it's not a functional offense. I think the Colts I
think they're absolutely for all. I think it's a top
three offensive line. I like their weapons. They've been very lucky.
Ballard in the first round has had great players fall
to him. This roster has, like I always said, this
to be a super Bowl team, you got to have
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about seven elite players somewhere close to their prime. I
almost think I don't think the tight ends close to
his prime yet.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Oh but Tyler Warren is everywhere. Man, He's throwing passes.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Yeah, he's running the football.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I mean, but when you watch the Colts, they gave
that game away against the Rams. They gave that thing away.
This Colts team's gonna win this division because I think
Kansas City beats Jacksonville tonight. This is not about the
Raiders being awful. It's Pete's first year. This is about
a GM who has built a really good roster and
they've been sitting there since the late Jim Rsey forced
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Wins to leave.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
They've been bailing water at quarterback.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Well, Daniel Jones may not be an a, but with
Stichen he's pretty damn good.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
It's interesting the Colts went and got Daniel Jones. Pete
Carroll wanted Gino Smith. Here's Pete Carroll after the loss.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I'm processing it poorly.
Speaker 11 (23:02):
I'll tell you the truth, because I did expect to
win right out of the shoots. They I executed this
in the throwing and catching part of it, and we
weren't able to get off the field, and that's why
they sustained their drives.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, I don't see a lot of upside with this team, Colin,
and we're gonna round out herd line. Here was another
negative story, and that's Bill Belichick and North Carolina football.
I don't know if you watch this Saturday all yet
out at Sports Day first.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Player of the game. Didn't Clemson go to the trucks?
Speaker 11 (23:29):
There?
Speaker 3 (23:29):
It is?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, I mean, and you know, look at North Carolina
five yards trailing here. It was bad. Thirty eight to
ten beat down was never close. I'm pretty sure this
was thirty five to three for a while. Meanwhile, Clemson
is not even good Bill Belichick. His team has scored
a touchdown on four of twenty nine drives against Power
five conferences. That sound good. Here's Belichick after.
Speaker 12 (23:52):
The l We just got to do a better job
of coaching. I had a better job of playing, and
I'll just eliminate the mistakes. They're they're fixable. I mean
that there's honestly not that many things that we can't
get right. But we got to do a better job
of it. And we can't give up plays like that
defensively at the beginning of the game. Obviously, it just
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till the score. Yeah, it's too much. So get back
to work here tomorrow. And you know, I think if
I expect the players to rebound like they did last
week and have another good week here.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Uh you know, I watched some of this game and
I just go back to the last six drafts in
New England. Bill controlled it and could not draft and
clearly doesn't have a great eye for college personnel because
they just don't have any good players. It's just I mean, defensively,
Kate Klubnick had struggled all year. It was pitch and catch.
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I don't know what his numbers were. Was he like
twenty four of twenty six. Very I mean it was
like practice. So I think college football to some degree
is a young man's game.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
But if you are middle aged or older like Stay,
and you have to have great energy mac Brown before him.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
But yeah, good, very good personality, very good energy, very
good recruiter. So as Saban Bill's not an engaging personality,
and he and Mike Lombardi they're Sunday guys. They're not
Saturday guys. So I don't think they have a feel
for it yet. That doesn't mean they couldn't turn it
around next year maybe, but this feels like arch Manning. Hey,
this was an exciting offseason story.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Everybody was bumped. And no, it's just a big.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Reason transfer portal seduces a lot of coaches. You think
you can solve a lot of your problems. You can't
bring fifty new guys to a football team and build
a culture. That's what I worried about. Remember I said
this about New England when Mike Brable came in. I said,
they spent so much money to get the NFL roster
of the Patriots just up to like NFL standards, There
were so much Remember how bad they were in the
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first couple of weeks and I said, you got to
give me a break. New England start playing too many
new people. Well then it took up all week three,
Week four, Week five, everybody was banging on New England.
Well think about this. You're doing that with college guys.
So Belichick's got fifty new guys. You just can't do that.
Lincoln Riley still can't get his defense right. When you
live and breathe with a transfer portal in college, you
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can't build a culture. You can build an offense if
you get a great quarterback, or you can have some
explosive plays, but they just don't have enough good players
and none of these guys have played together before.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Jaymck with the news.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
So it's one of these things in life that's never fair.
You know. They always say when men and women meet,
men take eight seconds, women take eight minutes, but they
decide first date. Yeah, I'm gonna hook up this. Personal
work and first impressions in pro sports are rough. Sam
Darnold's twenty one he goes to the completely dysfunctional New
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York Jets and then Baker Mayfield goes to completely functional Cleveland. Now,
Baker was much better than Sam, but it does get
embedded in your mind and you kind of hold it
against Sam well he's having another decent year, or you
look at Baker and you're like, oh, it'll implode.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
He's cocky.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
If you'd never watch Donald in New York and you'd
never watch Baker in Cleveland, and you just watched that
game yesterday, you would think you have Brady manning. Those
guys were unbelievable. Mayfield goes twenty nine to thirty three
three hundred and eighty yards. Donald goes twenty eight to
thirty four. They both have a passer rating at one
hundred and thirty five. It's one of the best offensive
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quarterback games I've ever seen in my life. And Baker's
missing Mike Evans, he's missing Bucky Irving. Seattle's defense was
a little banged up. I mean, it's the NFL. You're
not going to be healthy. Baker was unbelievable. I'd give
him my MVP today. This is the best Baker's ever played.
That Seattle defense is it was banged out, but it's
a good defense. That's a tough place to play. But again,
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Brady and Manning played over fifteen times. We went and
looked it up this morning. They never had a matchup
with this kind of offensive productivity. If you didn't get
this game in your local market and you got stuck
with the Cardinals and the Titans, the NFL owes you
an apology. That is one of the best quarterback games
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I've ever seen in my life. The game had nine
touchdowns and ten incompletions, and Baker was amazing. Sam's a
little more athletic, Baker probably better just throwing strikes from
the pocket. And I both what I watched was two
great quarterbacks, two great GM slash rosters, two very competent
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head coaches. I mean, and Baker was not playing with
a fully healthy team and Seattle wasn't playing with a
fully healthy defense.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
But you know, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Both these guys obviously take the coaching because Sam Donald's
biggest issue was really reckless and accuracy issues, and he
had a slow wind up. Donald gets rid of that
ball fast and he's really accurate. So four straight years
Donald's accurate see has improved. The other thing is they
both have a great young wide receiver that is growing
with them, so they didn't inherit. You know a lot
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of egos. They went to good coaches, defensive coaches who
let them be their own personality. But here was Baker
after a scintillating win.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
We're built different.
Speaker 13 (29:22):
That's just the way the locker room's wired, the way
they built this roster, and I love it.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
It's a group that plays with an edge.
Speaker 9 (29:29):
And I always say we're always in the fight, but
I love this team and I love the way they fight.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
And both Baker and Sam can have their reckless moments,
but we looked it up. Manning and Brady played seventeen times.
They never had a single game. We're both through for
over three hundred, so that they need neither ever played together.
And both teams scored over thirty five points, so that
shootout was rare. But again, if you go back to
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your first impression, Donald's twenty one, he goes to New York,
the Jets or the Jets, they could make anybody look bad.
Think about how many people in this league today are
flourishing that are former Jets. The coach of the Bucks,
Todd Bowles, the quarterback for the Seahawks, Sam Darnold, Davonte Adams.
I mean, it's remarkable how many former Jets. But again,
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when you're in twenty twenty one, twenty two, twenty three
and you walk into a dysfunctional business, you're not established.
It'd be one thing if you're thirty seven. Donald and
Baker now could go to a dysfunctional team, right, and
they'd have the buy in from players. But if these
two teams, Seattle and Tampa met in the NFC Championship,
I would not be shocked. That's what I watched, and
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these teams weren't healthy playmakers, quarterbacks, coaching speed. That's one
of the best games I've ever seen.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
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Speaker 2 (30:59):
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Speaker 3 (31:16):
Mariners even the series. Keep your eye on the Mariners.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
So I have this theory that everything now because of
TikTok and Instagram, is performative. Nobody can just have lunch
or a conversation with a friend, and you can't go out,
or you've got to take pictures of your food, and
you've got to show where you're at. People can't just live.
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And I think this trend among young people, this need
to constantly be performing and be cool. And I believe
this is happening in the NFL because I've now seen
it like three four times and it's disturbing. Yesterday, Arizona
running back Amari Demarcado breaks free. Man. It's a bad trend.
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Trying to be cool, drops the ball at the gold line.
This would have sealed the win. They would have gone
up twenty eight to six. They would have sealed the win.
Every yard counts in the NFL. Every play counts in
the NFL. Do you know how hard your teammates work,
how hard it is to be an offensive lineman to
create that whole How hard football practice is? I mean
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this is that's literally like showing up late to work
the week your company's having layoffs.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Hello self awareness.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
By the way, last week, Indianapolis wide receiver another show
voter Ady Mitchell does the exact same thing. This could
have sealed the game for the Colts, and this guy
never scored a touchdown in the NFL, still has it.
What in God's name are you thinking? Stop show voting,
get into the end zone. By the way, this week
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he played six snaps. Thankfully, I'd cut him. I'd have
no problem cutting guys that do this. Losing jobs in
the NFL because of this. Coaches, coordinators, teammates. You know
how hard it is to score in a long touchdown.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Run in the NFL. There are very few of them.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Philadelphia now can't run the football and they got Pro
Bowlers everywhere. It's hard, it's so selfish and so disrespectful.
The Jets had a guy that did this last year,
Malachi Corley, shocking, he's never scored a touchdown. Most of
the great players get it, but you have to be
so self absorbed, lacking in total self awareness. I mean,
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the Arizona was missing two starters at running back. Bro,
it's your moment, it is your moment. Remember this last
year with the Jets. A guy that's never scored a touchdown, performative,
trying to be cool. I mean, this is the NFL goldgen.
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers this year they're every single play matters.
I mean to do that to your teammates. I mean,
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baseball practice as a kid was fun. Basketball practice is
a good sweat. Soccer practice. Football practice it's often in
bad weather pads. It's cold, it's hard, you're getting hit.
Football practice is hard. You get me that selfish of
a human being. That's selfish of a teammate to all
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your brothers who worked so hard. You know how rarely
you get a fifty yard touchdown run in the NFL.
This thing was going to be a seventy yard touchdown run.
Those just don't happen. The good teams don't get those.
The bad teams never get them. All that work and
you're going performative. Don't tell me you couldn't see the line.
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Not that hard to figure out. Here was the coach after.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
As a coach, what do you say to him? That's
never about one play. We have coaching points that I'm
not going to tell you. Guys, now, is this the
worst thing you've felt after all lost year? I don't
know that. Boy, you think, Bob, We've had some bad ones.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Yeah, on the sideline, that coach was furious. I don't
blame him.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
I mean that coach was absolutely I'm surprised so many
players were consoling him. That is an l I mean
it is, man, you got to be a selfish coworker.
You really got to be selfish to do that. A
d Mitchell bro You've never been in the end zone.
The culture, good team. You're on the road, you're facing
the Rams. Daniel Jones is playing his butt off. Your
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offensive line's given great production, and you're trying to perform.
I sort of got I think this is TikTok and
Instagram and nobody can just have lunch. Nobody can just
have lunch without taking a picture of it. Can we
just live a little bit not have to constantly show off?
Speaking the show off, bo Nick's got to In the
fourth quarter, fourth quarter against the Eagles on the road,
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bo Nix was nine of ten, three or three on
scoring drives, a one on one on two point conversion.
A lot of you guys are rooting against bon Nicks.
It's gonna work. I mean he's going against Vic Fangio's
defense and that roster. He's really been able to speed
up his delivery. He held onto the ball last year
too long. He plays super fast right now. He is,
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and he's also really athletic. I'd make an argument you
could run him more. He is really athletic. And here's
the thing that you see. I say this all the time.
Watch a game and watch the play calling. A coach
will tell you what they think about a player by
the plays they call. Okay, there's no handholding here right now.
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Bo Nicks leads the NFL in pass attempts yep, more
than any other quarterback. That is trust. There's no handholding
going on in Denver So and the other thing. One
of the great things about Brady is Brady didn't take sacks.
Brady had no problem throwing it way, dirting it, getting
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rid of it. Bow Nick doesn't get sacked, and they
faced some real defenses. He's been sacked five times all year. Now,
you know how last year we said a lot of
times Caleb Williams was getting sacked and it wasn't always
the offensive line's fault. Matt Hasselbeck said that a lot
of people said that, well, he's only sacked five times,
that's not all the offensive line getting credit.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
He gets rid of it fast.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
And again, he's only played twenty two games, so it's
he's gonna have Drake May had a horrible interception against
the Steelers. Bad plays are going to happen. But when
I watch him and his ability to get rid of
the ball get first downs with his legs, I mean
intellectually physically at ball's out. Here's Sean Payton. After the
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road win and the decision to go for too.
Speaker 13 (37:50):
We felt situationally with time left on the clock. You know,
we came here to win a game, and I had
two or three calls that I loved. The executed it
was perfect, but we felt, I think, there's seventy seven
and a half minutes, let's do that, Let's keep let's
keep being aggressive.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
And by the way, the play was designed perfectly. It's
interesting about going for two because a lot of times
I think coaches tend to be math professors. Before they
need to, they start playing to the numbers. That was
one of the rare instances. I'm like, listen, Philly doesn't lose.
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They haven't loss since win December something last year. You're
on the road on Philly. When you're on the road,
you go for it. If you're on the road and
you're an underdog, that's a go for it moment. If
you're at home and a heavy favorite, you may just think, listen,
we want to get to overtime. We got the better players.
We're at home, our players are comfortable. Let's get to overtime.
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I got the better roster. But if you believe we're
on the road, we're an underdog. We were getting shell
that half. We have all the momentum. I like to call,
and again, I think it's situational. I don't think that's
an always do it. But again, you have momentum. Bonix
is hot. The Eagles are a little backpedaling. It's it's
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you're on the road. You're an underdog. By the way,
Kansas City just be You gotta think about all this stuff.
Kansas City faces Jacksonville tonight. Kansas City just crushed Baltimore.
Here comes Kansas City. My take is, we're not gonna
play it safe against the Chiefs. We're not gonna play
it safe against the top teams in the NFL. Let's
go for it. So that was the rare instance. Usually
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I'd be like, dude, just tie it up, don't be.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
A math professor. I don't know J Mack how you feel.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
But that was one of those, like, dude, when you
get Philadelphia chance to step on the neck a little bit,
I think you go for it.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah, I totally agree, because Philly has this weird thing.
They don't, you know, play to the whistle. Remember they
had Tampa down twenty four to six and just stop
playing up seventeen three and the fourth kind of stopped playing.
Let me ask you on the Eagles, Colin. We know
they're good. They were number one and hurt hierarchy. So
because Cedee lamb drops passes, they beat them. Travis Kelce
bobbles the inners. There's no great team in this league.
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That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
I don't know how good they.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
There are great units, there are teams that have great games.
There are no great teams in this league. There are
awful teams, two of them may be in New York,
but there are no great teams in the NFL. Colin Wright, Colin,
wrong hour to first one flew by.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. You know,
jmck you said something about five minutes ago, as we
were sitting here at jotting some notes down the bottom
of the NFL is like the bottom of the NBA.
Now there are some bad teams. Two of them may
be in New York. It was done a good weekend
for New York sports, Yankees, Giants, Jets, even Buffalo upstate.
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But we've been sitting waiting for Philadelphia if they keep winning,
and we keep waiting for Philadelphia to lose, and finally
they met their match.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, hey, Denver Broncos, your guy Bonicks yep.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
So in football and in.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Life, drip drip drip, like people don't wake up and
just decide, let's get a divorce. There were signs companies
don't go from great quarterly earnings too, we're bankrupt. There
are signs, warning signs, red flags, arguments. Philadelphia has been
a leaky faucet for five weeks. We've been talking about this.
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Saquon Barkley, his production's been cut in half. The Lions
have two running backs that are more productive than Saquon Barkley.
They labor to get the ball to Aj Brown, an
elite wide receiver. The offensive line used to be the
best in the sport. Middle of the pack doesn't even
look close to Detroit's now. So I've been preaching this
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for three years. Nick Seriani is not a scheme guy, Okay,
so he is very offensive coordin dependent, all right, So
when he has a great coordinator, he gets the Super Bowls.
He hired Brian Johnson, didn't work circle the drain. He
missed on a coordinator. Hired somebody in the building that
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had never called plays before.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Could be a good coach, but right now.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
At this moment in that coach's life, probably not the
right fit with this veteran offense. And it just it
took a half. But bow Knicks, who's still a kid.
Bo Nicks has played what twenty two starts in the NFL.
He's gonna have bad halves, he's gonna have bad throws.
But in that second half, Sean Payton and this is
what he does, maybe as good as any coach in
this league. That's second half. Sean Payton extracted every yard
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out of that offense. Two point conversions on the road,
noisy crowd, everybody involved, multiple receivers running the ball. Another
very good Denver draft. All these guys can play, and
bow Knicks, that dude is athletic, and he is fast.
He used to hold the ball a little long last year.
Bow Knicks is seeing it and let it rip. So
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the better team, the better coach, and yes, the better quarterback.
By the second half of that game, we're on display.
And this is nothing against Nick Sara Janni, but he's
got a stacked roster. And don't even try to convince
me forty five yards rushing. The big plays are gone.
They were a good big play team. They're done. They're
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seventeenth in the NFL in big plays with aj Brown,
Deavonte Smith, Saquon Barkley, Jalen Hurts. They're seven their middle
of the pack on big plays. Yards per play has tanked.
Saquon Barkley's getting touched a yard into the carry, not
two and a half. So this is not on the players.
The players were great last year. What did they do
all eat twinkies in the offseason? Give me a break.
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It's a coordinator higher and that's okay. A lot of
coaches in this league are not Kyle Shanahan. Kyle Shanahan
Thursday Night, goes out with backups everywhere and out coaches
Sean McVay. He's a scheme guy. Coordinators much less relevant
than Kyle Shanahan. And it's not a knock on Sirianni,
but that's not what he is. And so if he
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makes the wrong oc higher, this is not the same team.
It's not the players, it's not the effort, it's not
the toughness. Coaching matters. We've seen this more and more
coordinating matters in this league. Second half of that game,
Sean Payton put on a clinic bo Nicks with twenty
two starts against Vic Fangio, one of the best defensive
coordinators in the sport. Clinic up and down those last
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two drives and here's Sirianni after.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
I think that the guys have worked extremely hard in preparation.
I see the same hunger that was there prior to
us winning the Super Bowl. So I don't think it's
it's anything like that again, just this name of this
game is always going to come down to, you know, detail,
and you know, as far as us as coaches and players,
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we weren't detailed enough today and they were a little
more detailed than Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Usually my second story on a Monday isn't about a blowout.
But when Dak Prescott broke into this league, Zeke was
a great running back. The O line, Tyron Smith, Zach Martin,
it was the best O line in a decade in
the NFL. Dak got a lot of credit and didn't
have to do a lot of heavy lifting.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
He had a babysit Dez Bryant. That was about it.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
But he was a little overrated now, Dak, this Dak
is not getting enough credit. They don't have a number
one receiver currently, the offensive line is still in a
rebuild mode. Running game okay, staff, fine, defense, last in
the league, Okay, Dak Prescott, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield. It's
like they've hit the ten thousand hour rule. Like they're
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just I mean, they're all smart guys, but they have
reached another level of football IQ and Dak's gone from
a little over rated to now underappreciated. If I had
an MVP vote today, I would vote probably Baker Mayfield
one and Dak two. I would give Baker it because
he's won more games and he's won them late. But
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also Baker Mayfield has the better general manager, the better
rookie receiver. I think the overall roster in Tampa is
much better than the Cowboys roster. But right now, what
you're seeing Dak Prescott do this is the best stack
I've ever seen. First of all, I think he's lost
weight and gain strength. They're missing three offensive linemen. Ceedee
Lamb's a top five receiver. Doesn't have him running backs
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kind of by committee. Okay, not special, And listen, Brian
Schottenheimer deserves a lot of credit. We don't think he's
Andy Reider Sean Payton. So again, I I'm looking at
MVP right now. And here's the other thing to remember
about Dak where he deserves a lot of credit. Everybody
said when des Bryant left, he was in trouble. Nope,
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when Zeke left, he's in trouble. Tyron Smith left, Micah left,
the great Zach Martin, all these great players have left
in every time, as long as Dak Prescott is upright,
the Cowboys win double digit games. I mean, that's let's
be honest. Sometimes it takes a long time. You got
to read to the end of the book.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I ever read a mystery or a murder mystery and
you kind of figure it out with a fourth or
fifth chapter, and then they're really great books. Like like
all of a sudden, you're like, in chapter ten twelve, Dak,
you got to peel this onion.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
You gotta peel this.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
There was the a little over hype Dac with a
great o' line in a great run game, and Jerry
Jones at the time felt, you know, not quite as meddling.
And then all of a sudden, it's Mike McCarthy and
and Dak's actually putting up better numbers. And now McCarthy leaves.
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Brian Schottenheimer, who nobody loved, Ceedee Lamb is hurt, Mike
is gone. It is a lot of c plus players
and they're still rebuilding this offensive line and Dak looks unbelievable.
He was getting envy chance in New York and he
was asked about it after.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
I mean my hears work, so I heard it, but
I didn't hear it. To your answer, it's week five,
I don't care. I don't care if it was week seventeen.
I've told y'all what I want to win. The team
goals right now. The success and the continued success is
going to happen is just a beneficiaria of all the
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guys in that locker room.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Again, Oas says the right thing.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
He is a dropped pass against Philadelphia from being three
to one and one. Don't pay attention to the two
to two and one. He is playing next level. Remember
they tied green Bay, and I mean the way green
Bay was running the clock late in that game could
have won it. They had Philadelphia beat Ceedee Lamb at
his worst game as a pro. Three drops one, I
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mean right in the bread basket, So you can't. Sometimes
the record doesn't belie the truth. Dak's planned out of
his mind, so is Baker, so is Darnold. It's these
old guys they got the ten thousand hours, but I
think I would vote Baker Mayfield MVP of the league today.
I think I would have right now Dak runner up
from you know, a little over hyped to is everybody
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paying attention to what's happening here? Coaching staff, ownership, O line.
I mean, find me a guy in the league that's
working with a bunch of mid that's putting up those numbers.
Well it's the Jets. Well the Jets look pretty good
against the Steelers. The Jets didn't look that bad last week.
Whatever's happening. Dak goes on the road. It's one of
my favorite picks of the week. I mean that thing
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was what was that thing? Twenty three at three at
half thirty to three at one point, and Dak's putting
on a clinic that is amazing. So j Mack, who
did you went five and one in your picks? I
had a winning week as well, So we know, taking
over a less talented team and rebuilding it, it's hard, Yeah,
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to Aaron Glenn's great example, but it's not that hard,
just like anything in life, taking over a building, a business,
I mean, you know, for a therapist, fixing a rocky marriage,
it's hard, but it's not that hard. Competent people can
do it. How about New England. How about what Mike
Vrabel's doing and Drake May's doing.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Drake May looks amazing, incredible fourth quarter line.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
York Jets had more high end players when Aaron Glenn
took him over than New England had. I don't and
a more experienced quarterback and justin fields. So again, same division.
I'm not saying it isn't hard, but you're seeing a
gap between Mike Rable and Aaron Glenn in a month.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
It's not even.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
So we'll talk about that. It's easy to beat up
on Buffalo. I don't think last night was about the
Buffalo Bills at all. I think everybody in this sport
has a stinker. They fumbled it, it was ball security
was a mess. We'll talk about what's happening in New
England as well as Baker and Sam, who put on
an absolute clinic yesterday.
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Speaker 1 (11:44):
Well, Stefan Diggs had a great homecoming. He was a
very valuable receiver for the Buffalo Bills when he was there.
Then he came back and he comes back to the
New England Patriot. So I'm not going to beat up
too much on the Bills. They don't lose it home much.
It was just one of those games. They couldn't hold
onto the football. They didn't particularly well. And Buffalo's fine,
it's Buffalo great. I don't know, but Buffalo just didn't
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play well. And you have games like this. The Chiefs
in their dynasty, the Patriots in their dynasty had games
like this. This game was about the culture that Mike
Vrabel has built and about Drake May now the legitimate
head coach, quickly becoming a franchise star. This one we called,
I said, basically Vrabel, and I picked him to make
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the playoffs despite being bad last year. Vrabel is the
opposite of Mike McDaniel in Miami. He is all function
and no flash. His brand, his scheme is toughness. He's
a two hundred and sixty pound pair of work boots.
And that is what Vrabel's all about. He's your classic CEO,
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brand creator, culture builder, all about resilience, all about toughness,
NFL coaching, and a lot of business is may scenery,
laying bricks every day, and that's what Vrabel does. He
still gives Brady and Belichick crap. He does not, you know,
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he doesn't. He honors many, he worships none. He's a
one of the smartest coaches in the league. And I
mean I and by the way, Belichick, you're seeing it
in college. Belichick doesn't know college personnel. He can't recruit
it in college. He couldn't draft it in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
He can't.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
And so Vrabel didn't get anything. The last five drafts
before Vrabel got there were nonsense crap. So he had
to get a GM and spend three hundred million bucks
to just get an NFL roster. But I look at it.
He also hiring Josh McDaniel. Again, not everybody is built
to be a head coach. Some guys are brilliant vice presidents.
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Josh McDaniel created Brady Brady in the early years, Charlie
Weisse Josh Mcdanidaniel, Brady was always willing to be coached.
Same with Drake Mayine. We said when Drake may came
out of college, he's justin Herbert. He just is not
quite polished enough. So it was speed dating, speed him
up quickly because Gerrod Mail was not it again, a
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guy that's more coordinator. But between Josh McDaniels, the culture, Vrabel,
the intelligence, this team's a playoff team. They check all
the boxes a playoff team does. Toughness, resilient, can win
on the road, excellent young quarterback. They've spent their money
in the right places, and if Stefan Diggs can stay healthy,
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you're not going to get a lot of over the
top throws in the playoffs and the AFC, you're not.
The weather's going to be lousy. But for the record,
the Titans are four and eighteen since Mike Rabel left.
That's one of the things we always talk about.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
It's not just.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
What you do when you arrive, what happens to the
company you left with Hardball, they go into the tank
with Rabel, the Titans are a laughing stock. Despite yesterday's
goofy win, they're a laughing stock, the worst team in
the league. So, I mean, this is not a small win.
This is a defining moment for Vrabel. I think they're
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actually I don't know if Mike Vrabel looked at the
schedule before the season and looked at this game and
thought it was that winnable. I think they're getting better
really fast. If you can look at Drake May's second
half stats the last three weeks, last four weeks, I mean,
they gave that game away against Pittsburgh. And he's a
young quarterback. I mean, Drake made a terrible red zone
pick against Pittsburgh. He's a young quarterback, he's a kid.
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He's got twenty starts. Bow Nick says, like twenty two starts.
But it's not about the bad throws. It's about can
you make the big boy throws? And Drake May last
night made about four of them. And it's like, oh, okay,
we had this is big boy football.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
That's c J.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Stroud that first year. He wasn't great every Sunday, but
he'd get protection. When he did, he'd make throws and
you're like, yeah, like six guys in the world that
can make that throw win for New England. This is
what a playoff team looks like. Now, I'm not sure
if it's a high level playoff team, but I mean,
burrows out Ravens are nonsense. They just beat Buffalo. Maybe
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they are. Here's Rabel after.
Speaker 9 (16:14):
I'm really proud of the whole team for being able
to come into this road environment. You know, we talk
about there's a lot of other people that had cracks
of beating them here. You know, for fourteen games, they
had their opportunity and we and then those players took
advantage of that opportunity and beat a really good football
team that hasn't lost here much.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, that was impressive. And by the way, here's the
earth thing I love. You ever see that thing Vrabel
does after the game. He greets every single player. Vrabel
is about the players. Belichick in the end was about Belichick, right,
Belichick became about Belichick and Vrabel's always been about the guys.
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It's very rare when you get somebody that's great at
the job and doesn't really have an ego. And I'm
telling you, I thought they'd be a wild card playoff team.
I think they're a head of schedule. I did not
expect them, I said this week, I took them to cover.
I said I'd take them to cover. It's a division
rivalry game. I didn't think I won'na win that thing.
Buffalo does not lose at home. J Mack with the News.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
This is the herd line News.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
If you want to buy low stock Patriots, here's who
they have next at Spencer Rattler first, cam Ward versus
Dylan Gabriel, Michael Pennix. There's still Jets and Giants on
the schedule. This could be an eleven win team calling
Jake Browning is coming up. Look at it. Look at this.
They're gonna win like eight or nine games before December.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
So do you realize this is gonna be my fifth string?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Oh gosh, what I bring that up?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Another hit for Calhard No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
My favorite bet every year is the what team will
double their win total?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Team?
Speaker 1 (17:56):
You take a crappy team. And again my take was
Jets and the Dolphins are not trending up. They're gonna
get four wins there. I didn't think they beat Buffalo,
But if you start looking at that schedule, I mean,
it's just I didn't think Tampa would be this good.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Their toughest game in the next seven weeks is at
Baker Mayfield. That's it, these guys. That's a good call
by you. All right, Let's get to a not so
good call. The Baltimore Ravens. Oh my gosh, Colin, this
team is bad, down bad right now, as the kids
like to say. They lose forty four to ten to
the Texans at home. The Ravens defense is on pace
to give up six hundred and two points, which would
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be the worst of all time. There's a stat floating
around they've given up one hundred and seventy seven points
through five games that Ray Lewis ed reed defense from
two thousand, that historically great cave up one hundred and
sixty five for the season. Here's John Harbaugh talking about
how bad it things are right now.
Speaker 10 (18:49):
Just a complete disappointment, and we have to find a
way to turn it around. Figure out who we are
this next week and then into the buy and after
the bye, we're gonna have more than half the season
left and we're gonna have to find our So that's
what our aim will be going forward.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
So they were down Roquan Smith, their middle linebacker, Marlon
Humphrew's their best corner, but he's not even playing good.
Kyle Hamilton, who's their chess piece on defense. They're not
winning any games without those guys. The backups were like
kind of undrafted dudes off the street getting cooked.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
That's what happens when you pay guys. When you're paying
Kyle or Rokwan smith Is, your backups aren't as good.
So there are very few rosters that have a ton
of depth. There just aren't many in the ENFL anymore
so because you that's why you have to and you
and I have discussed this a lot. You have to
really be careful in the NFL who you pay. You've
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got to be very careful because all you have to
do is pay one guy too much, and all of
a sudden, the linebacker in a corner go down, and
you have, like you have CFL players, but I mean
they pay their stars. Ronnie Stanley Lamar Jackson. They pay
their stars. Well, all it takes is three injuries. I mean,
go look at the Chargers right now without their offensive tackles.
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It's just it's not a functional offense.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Ronnie Stanley also missed the game. I don't know. I
don't want to get in this. Should they fire John
Harb But there's just too many injuries. It's not like
this is that right? Here's the problem. They got the
Rams on deck. Oh they're gonna lose, y'ah rams are
off extra time. If some of these guys don't come back,
I don't think they win.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Now.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
The good news is if we could get the Ravens
schedule in this week after the buye, their schedule is
a cakewalk.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Well, and also they'll get healthier, they'll get healthy. My
guess is they reel off six or seven wins post
Thanksgiving and they and they make it an eight to
nine or a nine and eight season. I don't think
it's a playoff team. I think I think teams like Denver.
Here comes Kansas City, Here's Denver. The Colts are absolutely
the real deal. Colt Jacksonville wins tonight. New England's the
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real deal. Listen, we're having a little changing of the
guard here. Burrow's hurt again, Ravens are a mess, and
all of a sudden, oh New England looks good. O.
Wait a minute, the Colts are totally legit.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Listen, if you want a decent bet, tell me if
you'd look at that schedule. Right, so you get the
Bears after the buye. They should beat the Bears with
Lamar and everybody, they're gonna beat the Dolphins. They should
beat JJ mccarth.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
They're gonna win eight or nine games.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Well, here's the thing. Can they still win the division?
Do you trust Aaron Rodgers in Pittsburgh to get separation? I?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Actually, the way Aaron's playing, I do. Listen, we thought
this could be the best division in football. It's arguably
the worst. With Burrow out and with Lamar out. So
it happens.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
They still got the Steelers twice. That's interesting. Now, let's
sorry to go to another bad team, but the Raiders
and beat Carol. Oh my gosh, they get destroyed by
the Colts yesterday forty six. It's bordering on embarrassing. Gino
Smith is just at rock bottom right now. I think
this is more about the Colts Colts are good. Yeah,
but forty to six and some of these decisions by Gino,
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he looks lost in the pocket.
Speaker 11 (21:49):
Now.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
He didn't have Bowers, which.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Hurts, and he doesn't have his best left tackle, so
it's not a functional offense. I think the Colts I
think they're absolutely for all. I think it's a top
three offensive line. I like their weapons. They've been very lucky.
Ballard in the first round has had great players fall
to him. This roster has, like I always said, this
to be a super Bowl team, you got to have
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about seven elite players somewhere close to their prime. I
almost think I don't think the tight ends close to
his prime yet.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Oh but Tyler Warren is everywhere. Man, He's throwing passes.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Yeah, he's running the football.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I mean, but when you watch the Colts, they gave
that game away against the Rams. They gave that thing away.
This Colts team's gonna win this division because I think
Kansas City beats Jacksonville tonight. This is not about the
Raiders being awful. It's Pete's first year. This is about
a GM who has built a really good roster and
they've been sitting there since the late Jim Rsey forced
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Wins to leave.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
They've been bailing water at quarterback.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Well, Daniel Jones may not be an a, but with
Stichen he's pretty damn good.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
It's interesting the Colts went and got Daniel Jones. Pete
Carroll wanted Gino Smith. Here's Pete Carroll after the loss.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I'm processing it poorly.
Speaker 11 (23:02):
I'll tell you the truth, because I did expect to
win right out of the shoots. They I executed this
in the throwing and catching part of it, and we
weren't able to get off the field, and that's why
they sustained their drives.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, I don't see a lot of upside with this team, Colin,
and we're gonna round out herd line. Here was another
negative story, and that's Bill Belichick and North Carolina football.
I don't know if you watch this Saturday all yet
out at Sports Day first.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Player of the game. Didn't Clemson go to the trucks?
Speaker 11 (23:29):
There?
Speaker 3 (23:29):
It is?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, I mean, and you know, look at North Carolina
five yards trailing here. It was bad. Thirty eight to
ten beat down was never close. I'm pretty sure this
was thirty five to three for a while. Meanwhile, Clemson
is not even good Bill Belichick. His team has scored
a touchdown on four of twenty nine drives against Power
five conferences. That sound good. Here's Belichick after.
Speaker 12 (23:52):
The l We just got to do a better job
of coaching. I had a better job of playing, and
I'll just eliminate the mistakes. They're they're fixable. I mean
that there's honestly not that many things that we can't
get right. But we got to do a better job
of it. And we can't give up plays like that
defensively at the beginning of the game. Obviously, it just
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till the score. Yeah, it's too much. So get back
to work here tomorrow. And you know, I think if
I expect the players to rebound like they did last
week and have another good week here.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Uh you know, I watched some of this game and
I just go back to the last six drafts in
New England. Bill controlled it and could not draft and
clearly doesn't have a great eye for college personnel because
they just don't have any good players. It's just I mean, defensively,
Kate Klubnick had struggled all year. It was pitch and catch.
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I don't know what his numbers were. Was he like
twenty four of twenty six. Very I mean it was
like practice. So I think college football to some degree
is a young man's game.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
But if you are middle aged or older like Stay,
and you have to have great energy mac Brown before him.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
But yeah, good, very good personality, very good energy, very
good recruiter. So as Saban Bill's not an engaging personality,
and he and Mike Lombardi they're Sunday guys. They're not
Saturday guys. So I don't think they have a feel
for it yet. That doesn't mean they couldn't turn it
around next year maybe, but this feels like arch Manning. Hey,
this was an exciting offseason story.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Everybody was bumped. And no, it's just a big.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Reason transfer portal seduces a lot of coaches. You think
you can solve a lot of your problems. You can't
bring fifty new guys to a football team and build
a culture. That's what I worried about. Remember I said
this about New England when Mike Brable came in. I said,
they spent so much money to get the NFL roster
of the Patriots just up to like NFL standards, There
were so much Remember how bad they were in the
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first couple of weeks and I said, you got to
give me a break. New England start playing too many
new people. Well then it took up all week three,
Week four, Week five, everybody was banging on New England.
Well think about this. You're doing that with college guys.
So Belichick's got fifty new guys. You just can't do that.
Lincoln Riley still can't get his defense right. When you
live and breathe with a transfer portal in college, you
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can't build a culture. You can build an offense if
you get a great quarterback, or you can have some
explosive plays, but they just don't have enough good players
and none of these guys have played together before.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Jaymck with the news.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
So it's one of these things in life that's never fair.
You know. They always say when men and women meet,
men take eight seconds, women take eight minutes, but they
decide first date. Yeah, I'm gonna hook up this. Personal
work and first impressions in pro sports are rough. Sam
Darnold's twenty one he goes to the completely dysfunctional New
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York Jets and then Baker Mayfield goes to completely functional Cleveland. Now,
Baker was much better than Sam, but it does get
embedded in your mind and you kind of hold it
against Sam well he's having another decent year, or you
look at Baker and you're like, oh, it'll implode.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
He's cocky.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
If you'd never watch Donald in New York and you'd
never watch Baker in Cleveland, and you just watched that
game yesterday, you would think you have Brady manning. Those
guys were unbelievable. Mayfield goes twenty nine to thirty three
three hundred and eighty yards. Donald goes twenty eight to
thirty four. They both have a passer rating at one
hundred and thirty five. It's one of the best offensive
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quarterback games I've ever seen in my life. And Baker's
missing Mike Evans, he's missing Bucky Irving. Seattle's defense was
a little banged up. I mean, it's the NFL. You're
not going to be healthy. Baker was unbelievable. I'd give
him my MVP today. This is the best Baker's ever played.
That Seattle defense is it was banged out, but it's
a good defense. That's a tough place to play. But again,
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Brady and Manning played over fifteen times. We went and
looked it up this morning. They never had a matchup
with this kind of offensive productivity. If you didn't get
this game in your local market and you got stuck
with the Cardinals and the Titans, the NFL owes you
an apology. That is one of the best quarterback games
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I've ever seen in my life. The game had nine
touchdowns and ten incompletions, and Baker was amazing. Sam's a
little more athletic, Baker probably better just throwing strikes from
the pocket. And I both what I watched was two
great quarterbacks, two great GM slash rosters, two very competent
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head coaches. I mean, and Baker was not playing with
a fully healthy team and Seattle wasn't playing with a
fully healthy defense.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
But you know, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Both these guys obviously take the coaching because Sam Donald's
biggest issue was really reckless and accuracy issues, and he
had a slow wind up. Donald gets rid of that
ball fast and he's really accurate. So four straight years
Donald's accurate see has improved. The other thing is they
both have a great young wide receiver that is growing
with them, so they didn't inherit. You know a lot
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of egos. They went to good coaches, defensive coaches who
let them be their own personality. But here was Baker
after a scintillating win.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
We're built different.
Speaker 13 (29:22):
That's just the way the locker room's wired, the way
they built this roster, and I love it.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
It's a group that plays with an edge.
Speaker 9 (29:29):
And I always say we're always in the fight, but
I love this team and I love the way they fight.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
And both Baker and Sam can have their reckless moments,
but we looked it up. Manning and Brady played seventeen times.
They never had a single game. We're both through for
over three hundred, so that they need neither ever played together.
And both teams scored over thirty five points, so that
shootout was rare. But again, if you go back to
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your first impression, Donald's twenty one, he goes to New York,
the Jets or the Jets, they could make anybody look bad.
Think about how many people in this league today are
flourishing that are former Jets. The coach of the Bucks,
Todd Bowles, the quarterback for the Seahawks, Sam Darnold, Davonte Adams.
I mean, it's remarkable how many former Jets. But again,
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when you're in twenty twenty one, twenty two, twenty three
and you walk into a dysfunctional business, you're not established.
It'd be one thing if you're thirty seven. Donald and
Baker now could go to a dysfunctional team, right, and
they'd have the buy in from players. But if these
two teams, Seattle and Tampa met in the NFC Championship,
I would not be shocked. That's what I watched, and
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these teams weren't healthy playmakers, quarterbacks, coaching speed. That's one
of the best games I've ever seen.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Honestly, be sure to catch live editions of the Herd
weekdays and noon Easter not a em Pacific.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Tomorrow, it's a pair of game threes in the Alds,
starting with the Mariners taking on the Tigers. Coverage begins
at three pm Eastern, Then in prime time, the Blue
Jays head to the Bronx to take on Judge and
the Yankees at eight Eastern, all on FS one.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Mariners even the series. Keep your eye on the Mariners.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
So I have this theory that everything now because of
TikTok and Instagram, is performative. Nobody can just have lunch
or a conversation with a friend, and you can't go out,
or you've got to take pictures of your food, and
you've got to show where you're at. People can't just live.
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And I think this trend among young people, this need
to constantly be performing and be cool. And I believe
this is happening in the NFL because I've now seen
it like three four times and it's disturbing. Yesterday, Arizona
running back Amari Demarcado breaks free. Man. It's a bad trend.
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Trying to be cool, drops the ball at the gold line.
This would have sealed the win. They would have gone
up twenty eight to six. They would have sealed the win.
Every yard counts in the NFL. Every play counts in
the NFL. Do you know how hard your teammates work,
how hard it is to be an offensive lineman to
create that whole How hard football practice is? I mean
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this is that's literally like showing up late to work
the week your company's having layoffs.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Hello self awareness.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
By the way, last week, Indianapolis wide receiver another show
voter Ady Mitchell does the exact same thing. This could
have sealed the game for the Colts, and this guy
never scored a touchdown in the NFL, still has it.
What in God's name are you thinking? Stop show voting,
get into the end zone. By the way, this week
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he played six snaps. Thankfully, I'd cut him. I'd have
no problem cutting guys that do this. Losing jobs in
the NFL because of this. Coaches, coordinators, teammates. You know
how hard it is to score in a long touchdown.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Run in the NFL. There are very few of them.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Philadelphia now can't run the football and they got Pro
Bowlers everywhere. It's hard, it's so selfish and so disrespectful.
The Jets had a guy that did this last year,
Malachi Corley, shocking, he's never scored a touchdown. Most of
the great players get it, but you have to be
so self absorbed, lacking in total self awareness. I mean,
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the Arizona was missing two starters at running back. Bro,
it's your moment, it is your moment. Remember this last
year with the Jets. A guy that's never scored a touchdown, performative,
trying to be cool. I mean, this is the NFL goldgen.
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers this year they're every single play matters.
I mean to do that to your teammates. I mean,
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baseball practice as a kid was fun. Basketball practice is
a good sweat. Soccer practice. Football practice it's often in
bad weather pads. It's cold, it's hard, you're getting hit.
Football practice is hard. You get me that selfish of
a human being. That's selfish of a teammate to all
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your brothers who worked so hard. You know how rarely
you get a fifty yard touchdown run in the NFL.
This thing was going to be a seventy yard touchdown run.
Those just don't happen. The good teams don't get those.
The bad teams never get them. All that work and
you're going performative. Don't tell me you couldn't see the line.
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Not that hard to figure out. Here was the coach after.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
As a coach, what do you say to him? That's
never about one play. We have coaching points that I'm
not going to tell you. Guys, now, is this the
worst thing you've felt after all lost year? I don't
know that. Boy, you think, Bob, We've had some bad ones.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Yeah, on the sideline, that coach was furious. I don't
blame him.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
I mean that coach was absolutely I'm surprised so many
players were consoling him. That is an l I mean
it is, man, you got to be a selfish coworker.
You really got to be selfish to do that. A
d Mitchell bro You've never been in the end zone.
The culture, good team. You're on the road, you're facing
the Rams. Daniel Jones is playing his butt off. Your
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offensive line's given great production, and you're trying to perform.
I sort of got I think this is TikTok and
Instagram and nobody can just have lunch. Nobody can just
have lunch without taking a picture of it. Can we
just live a little bit not have to constantly show off?
Speaking the show off, bo Nick's got to In the
fourth quarter, fourth quarter against the Eagles on the road,
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bo Nix was nine of ten, three or three on
scoring drives, a one on one on two point conversion.
A lot of you guys are rooting against bon Nicks.
It's gonna work. I mean he's going against Vic Fangio's
defense and that roster. He's really been able to speed
up his delivery. He held onto the ball last year
too long. He plays super fast right now. He is,
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and he's also really athletic. I'd make an argument you
could run him more. He is really athletic. And here's
the thing that you see. I say this all the time.
Watch a game and watch the play calling. A coach
will tell you what they think about a player by
the plays they call. Okay, there's no handholding here right now.
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Bo Nicks leads the NFL in pass attempts yep, more
than any other quarterback. That is trust. There's no handholding
going on in Denver So and the other thing. One
of the great things about Brady is Brady didn't take sacks.
Brady had no problem throwing it way, dirting it, getting
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rid of it. Bow Nick doesn't get sacked, and they
faced some real defenses. He's been sacked five times all year. Now,
you know how last year we said a lot of
times Caleb Williams was getting sacked and it wasn't always
the offensive line's fault. Matt Hasselbeck said that a lot
of people said that, well, he's only sacked five times,
that's not all the offensive line getting credit.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
He gets rid of it fast.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
And again, he's only played twenty two games, so it's
he's gonna have Drake May had a horrible interception against
the Steelers. Bad plays are going to happen. But when
I watch him and his ability to get rid of
the ball get first downs with his legs, I mean
intellectually physically at ball's out. Here's Sean Payton. After the
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road win and the decision to go for too.
Speaker 13 (37:50):
We felt situationally with time left on the clock. You know,
we came here to win a game, and I had
two or three calls that I loved. The executed it
was perfect, but we felt, I think, there's seventy seven
and a half minutes, let's do that, Let's keep let's
keep being aggressive.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
And by the way, the play was designed perfectly. It's
interesting about going for two because a lot of times
I think coaches tend to be math professors. Before they
need to, they start playing to the numbers. That was
one of the rare instances. I'm like, listen, Philly doesn't lose.
(38:30):
They haven't loss since win December something last year. You're
on the road on Philly. When you're on the road,
you go for it. If you're on the road and
you're an underdog, that's a go for it moment. If
you're at home and a heavy favorite, you may just think, listen,
we want to get to overtime. We got the better players.
We're at home, our players are comfortable. Let's get to overtime.
(38:53):
I got the better roster. But if you believe we're
on the road, we're an underdog. We were getting shell
that half. We have all the momentum. I like to call,
and again, I think it's situational. I don't think that's
an always do it. But again, you have momentum. Bonix
is hot. The Eagles are a little backpedaling. It's it's
(39:17):
you're on the road. You're an underdog. By the way,
Kansas City just be You gotta think about all this stuff.
Kansas City faces Jacksonville tonight. Kansas City just crushed Baltimore.
Here comes Kansas City. My take is, we're not gonna
play it safe against the Chiefs. We're not gonna play
it safe against the top teams in the NFL. Let's
go for it. So that was the rare instance. Usually
(39:38):
I'd be like, dude, just tie it up, don't be.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
A math professor. I don't know J Mack how you feel.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
But that was one of those, like, dude, when you
get Philadelphia chance to step on the neck a little bit,
I think you go for it.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah, I totally agree, because Philly has this weird thing.
They don't, you know, play to the whistle. Remember they
had Tampa down twenty four to six and just stop
playing up seventeen three and the fourth kind of stopped playing.
Let me ask you on the Eagles, Colin. We know
they're good. They were number one and hurt hierarchy. So
because Cedee lamb drops passes, they beat them. Travis Kelce
bobbles the inners. There's no great team in this league.
(40:09):
That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
I don't know how good they.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
There are great units, there are teams that have great games.
There are no great teams in this league. There are
awful teams, two of them may be in New York,
but there are no great teams in the NFL. Colin Wright, Colin,
wrong hour to first one flew by.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
It's the hurt
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