Colin Cowherd breaks down why the Kansas City Chiefs Week 5 loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars isn't as concerning as it looks — and why he's still confident in their Super Bowl chances
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, it is a Tuesday. We are packs postseason baseball,
crazy Monday night football outcome.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
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Speaker 1 (00:39):
It's the Herd wherever you may be, and however you
may be listening or watching. Thanks for choosing whatever platform
you're on. Jmact. Part of what we do, part of
what a lot of people do, is being able to
see the truth before the truth comes out. You know,
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you want to buy a stock. You don't want to
buy it when it's gone up. You want to buy
it right before. And so I start my show today
as the Jags beat the Kansas City Chiefs last night,
and I'm going to give you all a heads up
in one hour from now, I am not putting the
Jags four and one, Jags in the hurt hierarchy, and
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I'm putting Kansas City in it. Jacksonville's a ridiculous winning team.
I told the staff this morning. The Jaguars are a
David Lynch film. Even the ones I like make me uncomfortable.
They're just ridiculous. I mean, Kansas City averaged seven point
six yards of play before last night. A team that
averaged seven point five yards of play had won thirty
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three straight games. I don't care what the final outcome was,
yards yards per play, first down, rushing, red zone. Kansas
City's a better team. Patrick Mahomes did not see Devin
Lloyd on a pick six. He didn't see him. Tom
Brady had pick sixes won in a Super Bowl. It
happens he did not see him, and the Jags deserve credit.
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Lloyd's a very good player right now. I mean they
they leave the NFL in interceptions. I don't think it's sustainable,
but that's a great play. But I was impressed with
a team that lost. Kansas City. Keep your eyes open
for Brishard Smith, that late round receiver kid from Miami,
number twenty four. Keep your eye on him. Mahomes hit
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eight different receivers. Mahomes athletically in the best shape he's
been in. He looked great. I'm telling you, Kansas City's coming,
and they're coming fast. And the Jaguars, I mean, they're ridiculous.
They get to the one yard line and they fumble
and then later Hey, the final play of the game,
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a guy I love, Trevor Lawrence has fallen all over
the place, tripping over his left guard. This is not sustainable,
It's nonsense. I mean, they leave the NFL in takeaways.
A linebacker leads the NFL interc not sustainable. Brian Thomas,
wide receiver. I don't know what's going on there. He's
in a weird slump. They're head coach twice has had
to apologize. They don't feel buttoned up, but they've got talent.
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I'm rooting for Travis Hunter two. I've always loved Trevor Lawrence.
I feel like he's the indie band. I knew him
before you knew him. I saw him in high school
and loved him. I still love him. He turned the
ball over too much. But I look at Kansas City
and they made a lot of young guy mistakes. And
this is what happens when you pay Chris Jones a
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ton and Mahomes a ton, and you pay Travis Kelsey
a ton. You get top heavy and you have to
have inexpensive labor. And they had thirteen penalties. I think
they had five special teams penalties. They're a very young team.
Andy Reid is going to coach those mistakes out of them.
Jacksonville doesn't make mistakes. Falling down on the final winning play,
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that's just Jacksonville. Fumbling the ball at the one, that's
just Jacksonville. So I think you can co out the
thirteen penalties are most of them. I think Kansas City's
good and getting better now. They're losing one score games.
Last year they were eleven to zero one score games,
but this year they were a little younger in spots
and they're making mistakes. And I mean the final play
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of the game they had Trevor Lawrence trapped Jags out
of timeouts and they couldn't make the play, but they
averaged seven point six yards of play, had almost five
hundred yards. They had a bad pick six from Mahomes,
So congrats to Duval. I love Trevor Lawrence. I thought
his throw to Brian Thomas up the right sideline on
that final drive was one of the best throws of
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the year in the NFL. He's always had talent, fumbles
too much, makes too many mistakes, but he's a great kid.
I've met him a couple times. I'll always root for him.
But this morning, I feel Kansas City's a better team.
And I don't care what the score was. My herd
hierarchy is not standings. I can't put Jacksonville in. But
here is Trevor Lawrence out after I'll.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Just panic, sheer panic on the ground trying to we
don't have any timeouts, got stepped on coming out and
I was like, I gotta get up and I was
just gonna throw it out of balance to stop the clock,
and then there was really no one around me.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
So when made a play.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, I mean again, I'm I'm the best team doesn't
always win. And I also think there are things that
are sustainable. I mean, you can win Powerball that's not sustainable.
Or you can invest in the market, pay off your house,
live below your means that's sustainable. Jacksonville's a wild crazy
David Lynch film, Blue Velvet, whatever, I don't care pick
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your favorite, but I'm watching it and I'm like, yeah,
I don't trust this team. I trust Kansas City. They
had a bad pick six and loss. But I trust
them and they're getting better. And that wide receiver group
when they get Rashi Rice back, watch out. They're still
not running the ball well enough, but watch out. Okay,
if you didn't watch any Dodger game, especially a Dodger
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playoff game, you've never seen him play.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Last night was.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
The perfect example of why they may or may not
win the World Series. It was all the brilliance in
athleticism and pitching and timely hitting, all these great players
and a god awful bullpen that almost lost in the game.
It was the perfect Dodger game as they beat the
Phillies again on the road. Now they got three games
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to win one. Let's start with Blake Snell. He was
great six innings, gave up only one hit, nine strikeouts,
a little wild, but Bryce Harper's a lefty, you know,
Kyle Schwarber.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Is a lefty.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Hey, you got to get these guys out. It was
an advantage and you had to take advantage of it.
Snell was great, struck out. Bryce Harper got him on
a two on one out in the six inning and
got him out. Huge, huge crisis management for Blake Snell.
So let's start with there great pitching, and this is
what the Dodgers need. They need great starting pitching. They
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got to push it late, they got to get to
the sixth. They got to get to the seventh because
you don't trust the bullpen. And then later in the
sixth inning, Miguel Rojas, who's been around forever shortstop third base,
makes a great defensive play for the Dodgers. They had
several great defensive plays. He races to the bag. It
is a huge play with a couple of runners on
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in the sixth it gets him out of the inning.
So you saw Blake Snell. Great pitching, tremendous defense. Then
we go to the top of the seventh and the
Dodgers timely hitting. We've said before they've got to hit
with runners in scoring position. They've got to get leads
in games. Not one runner two, they need three and
four runnings. Will Smith a couple of RBIs there o.
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Tawny follows drives in another run, and here you go.
Dodgers now lead for nothing. Two nothing lead not good enough.
So now and as we discuss, the bullpen in the
playoffs has a nine er, so they're giving up a
run per inning. So now they're gonta lead, and this
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is the classic Dodgers. You've seen great defense, you've seen
starting pitching, you've seen timely hitting. Here comes Blake, try
to well traveled old dude, uh for to one lead,
three hits, three batters. Suddenly it's four to three and
there's still nobody out. This is a classic Dodger game.
A white knuckler. So you see all the greatness and
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then they go to the bullpen. Shocker, they can't close
the door. But then they have another great defensive play.
It's called the wheel play. They hadn't practiced. It's usually
a spring training play, and the Dodgers month set of
Mookie pull it off at third base.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
That could have been the game. Probably was the game.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
So you've seen starting pitching, you've seen great defense, timely hitting,
more great defense, and that's what it took. They needed
three pay to get through the ninth inning. It was
a classic Dodger game. Even the final out of the game,
you are holding your breath. The Dodgers are a flawed team,
but unlike the Yankees, they're not uneven. They can play
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small ball, they can play great defense, they can run
the bases, they can hit for power, they have great
starting pitching.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
They're not the Yankees.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
The Yankees depend too much on the home run, they
strike out too much, they don't do small ball, and
they don't love their bullpen. The Dodgers are flawed, but
they're not uneven. They can win a multitude a ways.
And last night was perfect. You saw all of the ways.
Timely hitting singles, not home runs, starting pitching, great defense,
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the wheel play, and here's Dave Roberts.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
After those guys executed it to perfection, it was a
lot tougher. They made it look a lot easier than
it was. And for me, that was our only chance
really to win that game in that moment.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Again, if you'd never watched the Dodger game, that was
the one to watch because it perfectly encapsulated what they are. Brilliant,
the deepest roster, the best roster. And I know you're thinking,
for all that money, you shouldn't have flaws. No, they
were on display.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
They are.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I mean, the Dodger team could end up winning the
World Series and have more games where their fans literally
lost sleep as they win over one hundred games if
you count the playoffs, well over one hundred games potentially,
so it was a great night of sports. Cubs are
in big trouble Milwaukee and the Dodgers. I picked Milwaukee
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to win the World Series. It looks like right now
you're gonna get a Milwaukee and Dodger NLCS. And again,
the Dodgers have more stars, but Milwaukee's got the better bullpen,
Milwaukee's got some young star players. Milwaukee's a team without
a flaw. I mean Milwaukee last year, everybody thought they
had the best GM and the best manager in baseball,
and the Mets stole one of them. The Cubs stole
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another one and then they replaced them. Haven't missed beat.
So Milwaukee's just a really well owned, smartly run, brilliantly
managed baseball team that may not have the star power
outside of Milwaukee, but they don't do anything poorly. So
that could potentially be a great series. Jmack heard hierarchy
one hour from now. Nick Wright stops by a Rod's
on the show today as well.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
You really said, Jacksonville's not never heard hierarchy.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Interesting, you tick down the Niners and the Chiefs have
them at eleven. They're not worthy. Are the Chiefs in
the top ten? Yep? Oh, dear, Oh, Mike, you know
I wore black today.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
It's kind of Navy bluish because I want to celebrate
the Chief's funeral.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Season over if you.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Look at the schedule, con I'm not even kidding. Lions
this week at Lions teams good. I think you like
them a lot, and looking forward, they still got to
play the Broncos twice. Chargers is in December when they're
going to be healthy with Hampton back, and so.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, okay, let me mention a few other games can
win Bills can't defend the run or the back.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
In the Buffalo and meeting Josh Allen.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Okay, Dallas Houston beat up Chargers, Titans Raiders again, But.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Did Dallas just tide Green Bay, who was.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
Like number two in your herd hierarchy. I'll give you
the two ruins over the Raiders. I'll give you Tennessee.
Find me more wins the colt is that's not gonna
be easy. Culture very good.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I'm just telling you this schedule looks like eight and
nine for the Chiefs. I don't see playoffs.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
I know you think that they're gonna Oh they're Rashi Rice,
I mean, is he Jerry Rice is Jerry Rice and
Bro'm Jerry Rice joining the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
I saw a great football team with a bad pick six.
It happens. I mean if they score.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
There, keep that same energy when Brock Party throws a
pick six next week.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
He's not momes.
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Speaker 1 (13:21):
All right, welcome back. It is a Tuesday. Nick Wright
Herd hierarchy forty minutes from now. Say right now, Jacks
aren't in it. They're eleven. So anytime a team starts
winning a bunch of championships could be duke basketball. The
Patriots with Brady. It could be the Warriors. You heard
it a lot in Kansas City, the Meatheads, especially the
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meatheads online.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
It's got to be rigged. I mean, the league wants
them to win.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, the league really roots for small market Kansas City
to dominate.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah. Yeah, sure.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Second possession of the game, touchdown Mahomes of Travis Elsey.
Flag thrown and on this play, everybody's yell it's a pack.
But Mahomes knew the rules because Andy Reid knows the rules,
and Mahomes was right. He didn't talk the ref out
of it. He said, hey, it's pass interference by either
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team when any act by a player more than one
yard beyond the line of scrimmage has to be more
than one yard. Ball was at the two, Juju contacted
the defender at the one. Kansas City was right because
Andy Reid knows the rules. Kobe Bryant spent his off
seasons every year rereading the rule book. Sean Payton knows
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the rules. Remember when San Francisco and Kansas City met
in Super Bowl fifty eight and San Francisco players did
not know the overtime rules. Kansas City's did because Andy
Reid's a stickler for that stuff, and that is constantly
in Patrick Mahomes' ear. The one thing you have to
say about Kansas City there were four for five in
the red zone last night. They're the best circumstance situational offense.
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I think the Mahomes offense the best ever. Now you
could say Brady was with Edelman and Gronk, but you add,
you know, you also add the mobility of Patrick Mahomes.
To me, Andy Reid, Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, it's the best
situational third and fourth down team. I don't want to
hear about the Eagles. They got a tush push. I'm
talking third and five, third and six, red zone. This
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is what Kansas City does. And there are certain coaches
that just know the rule book. So this is not
about I know all you grifters online are freaking out,
just like you were with every Warriors call they got
in the finals. But this is what they do. They
were right, the players knew they were right. And by
the way, Andy Reid, I can guarantee you when he
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created this play, I bet he'll text me. I guarantee
you they talked about this. I'm going to text him today.
I'm going to say, Andy, I want you to text me.
I'll text first. I guarantee you. When they drew up
this play, he said, listen, they may call a flag
on the play, but it's not illegal.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
It is not illegal, So you know, you go. I know,
I know the league.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I always laugh at all these dynasties, like everybody is
rooting for Green Bay in the league office to be
good every year, the smallest North American market or Kansas City,
or they were rooting for New England and their crusty
coach Bill Belichick that hated the media and refused to
do like national interviews. I can assure you the Warriors
were not the team that David Stern and Adam Silver
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were rooting for before the dynasty. Steve Kerr smart, Steph
Curry's amazing, Draymond Green's a Hall of Famer. So they
know the rules and that's why they win. That's why
they win so many close games. That's why they're so
good on this stuff. I mean, I watched Kansas City
in these situational moments. By the way, you saw it
with Denver, j Max. You saw it with Denver against
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the Eagles when they went for the two point conversion
and Sean Payton came out, he goes, oh, I love
that play, and we worked down it perfectly. That's why,
because the last three or four weeks they've done it
forty times at practice. So I know, folks, you think
in the stands on your couch, you got it all
figured out. That's what these teams do. Seventy five percent
of the Chiefs practice is on plays like this. They're
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not practicing between the forty yard line stuff. They're practicing
situational third down football, and Andy Reid's arguably the best
that's ever done it in the history.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Of the league.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
You know what's tough about this is the broadcast brought
on the rules officiator guy, and he said it would
have been a good offensive pass interfears, and I think
that's probably what.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Led to the online tsunami of oh the Chiefs get
all the calls. I was a little.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Confused, right, Oh, contention is the guy came on and
he was like, yeah, some of these rules analysts, Thank god,
we've had Mike Pereira. I'll just say that we've had
real good ones at Fox. They're not all equal, just
like all quarterbacks and coaches aren't equal. All rules analysts
on networks are not equal. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Now this is the herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
All right, let's get started with last night's Brewers game.
Oh my gosh, how about that the Brewers had played
fifty five postseason games in franchise history and had never
homered with multiple runners on base in any of them.
Then they hit two three run homers in the span
of four innings. Went from Andrew Vaughan Latin homers since
August fifteenth and Jacksonurio.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Oh yeah, who is a complete stud.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah, this is great, This is good for baseball. I mean,
I know everybody loves the Cubs, but I'll tell you this,
Milwaukee is. It reminds me years and years ago when
the Rays down in Tampa before the Dodger stole their
GM Andrew Friedman. The Rays were good every year and
you're like, they have no money. They literally have no
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fans and no money. Milwaukee's got fans in money. So
Milwaukee's like a better capitalized version of Tampa, where they
scout better, they develop better, They've got a pipeline of
really smart managers in their minor league system. Milwaukee is
a you know, you think about this all the time.
Think of how good, how well run the Packers are,
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and now how well run the Brewers are. So it's
just yet the New York football teams are sad, sack pathetic,
has Matt spills, so everybody gets they're afraid of all this.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Oh my god. Milwaukee does sports well. Well, the Bucks
are about to lose, you honest, But you're right.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
They've been a winning playoff team right now. New York
sports is gross. Everything in Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Well, the Badgers as.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Well, But the Badgers right now, I mean, they've never
gotten their quarterback right. But the nil has not helped
Wisconsin football. It's it's it's and that's kind of a
cultural change that they're going to have to figure out.
Badger fans, I agree with Barry Alvarez, are a little spoiled.
They've been so good for so long since he got there.
But i'd sist Milwaukee is a team without a flaw.
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They don't have the Dodger star power, bullpen staff. We're
hitting average singles. I think Bay and the Jades. They
may let the National League and singles.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
They do everything well, and the Cubs come back and
make this interestinger.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I mean Milwaukee's got win one more game. Do you
think Milwaukee's going to go into three game losing streak?
Great teams, don't.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
I hope, so go Cubs. Next up, Colin Not great news.
Bill's wide receiver Keon Coleman, who's emerging, is like maybe
a number one time. Interestingly, he was absent for the
Bill's first drive Sunday night against the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Everybody's wondering where's Keon Coleman.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
Bill's coach Sean McDermott was asked about it Monday, and
here's what he said about his young pass catcher.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Growth maturation that leads to.
Speaker 9 (20:43):
Consistency more than anything, and like anything else you do,
you have winning habits, it leads to winning on the field.
And so that's really what we're trying to create, and
that's what we're here to do, is help young men
in this case grow and mature and develop and come professionals.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Shocker wide receiver maturity issues not good.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
We saw Jordan Addison in Minnesota was benched.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Hanging out with a rapper in London after hour. I mean,
was that the crazy?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I mean that it's amazing to me that you would
talk yourself into that knowing. I mean, it's like the
golden rule for any organization when you go on the road.
It's like the two times people get in trouble companies,
are you go on the road or a Christmas party.
You got to know that going in butt't it out.
And so it's just like, come on, man, Jordan Aison,
come on, bro, You're you're smarter than that. And then
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this is probably another you know, a young guy making
a mistake.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Well, Keon Coleman. This guy was a big time athlete.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
He was at Michigan State basketball and football. Briefly, they
need him Colin because that receiving core like Kim Kid's awesome.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Shak here's a good slot guy.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
They can't need Kid. Bills can't defend their run. What
does that mean? So there are going to be stretches
where Josh Allen watches. I mean, like a bad matchup
for Buffalo would be Detroit. Detroit's a bad matchup because
Josh Allen would sit and watch the game on the bench.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
So they have to score some easy points.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Okay, because you start looking at the way Buffalo is constructed,
they need that pop player. I mean, just like New
England Stefon Diggs. You need these pop players because not
every you can't win Super Bowls where everything is a
twenty seven play drive like last night. Kansas City because
they don't have Rashi Rice yet and it's an emerging,
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growing receiving core. Kansas City had long, long, several long drives.
At some point Worthy in Rashi Rice will give you
four play touchdown drives like right now. That's the thing
with Philadelphia. It's like they're a run team, but you
got to get aj Brown. He's got to give you
a freebie every weekend. They can't get him the ball deep.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
Yeah, this Bill's run defense major leaky Ravens ran all
over them.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
We know the Chargers are going to have a real
good run game. Broncos have a good run game.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
All of a sudden, I don't know that the I
don't feel as confident as I did about the Bills
coming out.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Of the as. No do I who do you have
a leader at this point? Is it Buffalo?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I'm just gonna tell you, I don't know who's gonna
win the AFC. You do not want to play the Colts.
Cults are gonna win their division. You do not want
to play the Colt I.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Mean, John choices.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
I would rather face Daniel Jones anywhere, Indie whatever, than I.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Would rather face Josh Allen in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
Okay, that's obvious. Josh Allen's gonna make things happen, bro
final story Listen, I don't want to get too negative here, Colin,
but isolate number ninety five Chris Jones on your screen.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
This was the game decided to play. Look at Chris Jones.
He's not even running. I mean, he's just loafing.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Chris Jones, not even making any of an effort. Trevor
Lawrence fill down twice on this play.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Jones couldn't stiff him.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
You see the rest of his defense after that, there's
multiple angles on this.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
The rest of the defense is gas. They're on one knee.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
Oh my gosh, I'm tired. Chris Jones is just like
walking around now. He was asked of it after the game.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Here's what he said.
Speaker 10 (24:04):
I thought, multiple times we had him and we just
got to finish.
Speaker 11 (24:06):
We got to finish.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, multiple guys there that we just got to finish
that play.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
It was a flute play for him to be able
to break that many tackles. But yeah, I think I
put it on mess as the defense.
Speaker 10 (24:19):
We got to finish, you know, we got to bring
him down on that.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Now, it should be noted on that last drive he
he almost created three or four disruptions. So Chris Jones
was very good, and he forced Trevor Lawrence to run
on the out side on a big play. I think
he thought he was down and stopped and then he
got up and he thought, oh, I can't catch him.
I'm not trying to defend Chris Jones. But Chris Jones
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had had a good final drive until that play.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
I don't like hearing we we we we had multiple
guys there. How about I I didn't make a play? Now?
Remember week one? Do you remember the game against the Chargers?
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Justin Herbert on that bootleg and he didn't contain and
Drew Trenkle got in his face and they were kind
of squabbling.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I'm just listen.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
Chris Jones is He's obviously a Hall of Fame player,
He's got the credentials. Something's going on this season. He
does not seem locked in Colin. If they lose to
the Lions. This is gonna go sideways for Kansas City at.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Two and four with some holes in the.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
Defense where she writes, ain't saving to day, He's not
put on a superman gape and getting Chris.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Jones into shape. Look at that he's walking. Can you
imagine me half asking a segment like that.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
You'd be like, come on, that is unacceptable. Andy Reid
has to show that Spagnolo to the whole defense.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Colin, that is not good man, show that to Nick. Right,
I'm curious what he thinks. All right, we'll la mister
Kansas City. Yeah, you go ahead and sell all your
chief stock. I don't even know that anything all by,
all of them, have all of it, all of it
is all yours. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
You know, there's the old cliche that you want to
you wanna treat people well as you're moving up the
food chain in life, because you'll be coming down that
food chain and people will remember. And the stories now
are emerging, multiple sources, multiple stories, multiple leaks at Carolina
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that Bill Belichick and Mike Lombardi. It is a disaster.
Parents hate him, administrators can't stand him. And this is
what happens when you lose people keep quiet when you're
winning because nobody wants to hear it and you'll get
called out. But when you're losing, the truth comes out.
And I said this for years, Belichick, when he was
in Cleveland, he didn't treat people well.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
In New England. He didn't even treat Brady well.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
And now.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Think about how successful he was in New England. Couple
bad seasons. Robert Kraft is like out of here. Would
you really do that if he had a warm spot
in your heart? Form But he's been so curt and
so bottom line and so dismissive for so long that
the minute New England went sideways, the minute Carolina go sideways.
(27:03):
And I said this, Belichick and Mike Lombardi, it's a
friends and family staff. They're NFL guys, they're not college guys.
College football is about pageantry and bands and lee corso
for years putting on a silly mascot helmet. If you
watch the college football pregame show at that network or
our network, it's stunts and fun and laughing and it's great.
(27:26):
It's not the NFL. The NFL is business. It's cutting
guys after a bad game. It's hard, and Belichick is hard,
and Lombardi's his guy.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
He's hard.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
And that's why I said, I don't know how this
thing's going to go. But they're NFL guys, and there's
a lot of sons on the staff, and they're the
well compensated ones, at least in Belichick's case, and it's
going to create animosity. And now there are stories out
now that when you're dismissive and you're gruff and you're
cranky and on the way up, people get a member
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on the way down and they've had no on the
way up at Carolina. So I mean, Drew bledsoell, what
was on our show yesterday? Just I asked him, are
you surprised how bad it's been?
Speaker 11 (28:10):
Bill is obviously brilliant, there's no getting around that. But
he also put together teams in New England that were brilliant.
You know, you look at the guys on the defenses
that he coached and the you know, you got, you know,
really brilliant guys. Rabel was one of those guys. You know,
Teddy Bruski, you know ty law Lawyer, Molloy, Rodney Harrison,
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you son. I'm not piling on Bill here, but you know,
you're gonna go sit in the living room with a
seventeen year old you know, do you want to go
play for Bill Belichick as a seventeen year old, you know?
Or do you want to go, you know, play for
the Oregon Ducks.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Yeah. And by the way, Bledsoe is no fan of
the Oregon Ducks. He's a Washington Stater. So and I
think this is true. I think just sort of the
Kurt Gruff dismissive nature. I think it works at the
NFL level if you're winning, But the minute Bill started
losing in New England, people are just over it.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
The other thing.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
And I've said this before, not every NFL coach would
win in college, even though NFL coaches on average are
better than college coaches.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I always felt.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
John Gruden and Rex Ryan, their personalities can win in college.
Nick Saban may have been gruff, but he's also charming.
And Nick Saban's got a personality, and he's a great storyteller.
And Nick Saban likes the media. He disagrees with the media.
He can be rough on the media, but Nick Saban
kind of likes the media. He joined the media. It's
not performative. Nick's fun to be around. Nick Listens. Nick's fun,
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he's charming, he's smart, Bill smart. But I just this
is a I didn't think it would be this bad.
But you know, Mac Brown won twice at North Carolina.
He won a lot of games. And he tweeted out
a picture yesterday with Drake May which may be a
shot at Belichick. I'm not sure because Belichick won't have
anything to do with anybody that plays for the Patriots.
(29:53):
And again it's all that grudge holding and anger and
that vendetta stuff because he doesn't like Robert Kraft and broke.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
You got to get over it.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
College I said this, the NFL is about upstairs. It's
about smart GMing and really good scheming. College football is
about talent. Because you only have seventeen hours a week
to coach. You're not gonna win with schemes. You need bros.
You just got to have talent. In the NFL, you
have to have some talent, but you really have to
(30:23):
have a good front office. I mean, that's why Kansas
City is good year after year after year. It's not
just Andy Reid and Mahomes. They haven't had always the
most talent, but they work the trade deadline, they draft
and develop. Well, they find guys in later rounds. So
you know, it's an upstairs, downstairs thing. In the NFL.
College is about guys. You guys got to get guys,
(30:45):
and it's you know, this is getting ugly. And now
there's a ton of leaks because he's alienated so many
people through the years. And you know, college football a
lot of it's about walking down the hall and saying
hi to the volleyball coach and taking the call for
from the dad whose son's not playing. I said, that's
not Bill. That is not Bill, and that is college football.
(31:07):
And if you don't want to own it, don't do
it right right. If you don't like the smell of
a farm, don't milk cows right like part of working
on a farm as it smells all the time, and
you gotta get used to it, or don't be a farmer.
This is this is really bad. Go read the stories yourself.
There it is the tide is turned.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
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Speaker 6 (31:32):
It's a pair of game threes in the Alds starting
but the Mariners taking on the Tigers.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Coverage begins next here on FS one.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Then in primetime Judge and the Yankees look to stay
alive as they host the Blue Jays at eight Eastern.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I've said this, I said it yesterday and last week
about the Yankees. The Dodgers and the Yankees spend a
lot of money on their teams. The difference is the
Yankees are uneven and totally home run dependent. The Dodgers
just have a bad bullpen. There's a difference. The Yankees aren't.
I don't think they field as well. They don't sacrifice,
they don't do small ball, they don't have a great bullpen.
(32:11):
I think last night you really saw what makes the
Dodger special is they know they've got to get three
and four run leads. They know they've got to have
great starting pitching. Dodgers know that, but last night they
answered the bell. That's always harder to win on the road,
a harsh environment. But between Snell and Rojas and Will Smith,
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Munsey and Bookie Betts on the defensive gym in the
ninth inning, it was a complete team victory. I don't
know if the Yankees can do that. And Toronto gets
a lot of guys on base, so the Eagles are
the best roster in the NFL, but over the course
of the last two years, they've been surging, shrinking hot
cold based on their coordinators. And they think they've hired
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a coordinator, a first time play caller, and he's struggling
to find his way. So talented players don't just suddenly
get untalented. And last year this offense was unbelievable. Philadelphia
has got a coaching crisis, and in times of crisis,
you have to go back to your identity, and the
Eagles identity is pretty obvious. Last two years, they're twelve
to zero when they throw fewer than twenty five times,
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run the damn ball, and be physical. It's not complicated,
so it's interesting. Sometimes it's very complicated. Why is a
team losing? And you're looking around, You're like, I don't know,
Like Kansas City last night, well the thirteen penalties, we
had a bad pick six, but they should have won
the average seven point six yards of play. So you
fly back home and you're scratching your head. It's not
difficult with this team. They were two and two last
(33:39):
year at the bye, and you know what they did.
Threw the ball less, ran more and it won here's
Matt Hasselbeck yesterday on their issues.
Speaker 12 (33:48):
I just think that Filly needs just be proud of
who they are. Like I think, you know, sometimes you're
trying to feed disgruntled players just a little big trying
to keep everybody happy. I think Saquon I appreciate how
they're getting involved in the passing game, but you're giving
the defense too much credit. If you just say, oh,
they're gonna quote unquote stack the box against Saquon, Make
them prove that they can stop the run. That would
(34:10):
be my advice to Philly. Make every team you play
prove that they are as physical as they are lining
up to be with guys in the box.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, there should never be a moment for the Philadelphia
Eagles when you lead by fourteen points and Saquon Barkley
finishes with only six carries. That is coaching malfeasons and
for the record, coaches and players improve. That is not
to say their new offensive coordinator can't grow and get better.
(34:41):
I watched Matt Lafleur, first year Packer coach. The second year,
I felt like, Wow, he was a much better situational
coach in year two, a much better coach After halftime
coaches improve. But yeah, I don't think it's complicated with Philadelphia.
Just run the ball more so. There's always been this
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weird mystery with one player in NFL history, and I've
talked about it on this show several times. Russell Wilson
did not have a major injury, and he went from
elite to not very good to bad really fast. Why
how did he age so quickly? I was reading a
tweet yesterday by Daniel Popper. It says since entering the
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NFL in twenty twenty, Justin Herbert has been hit more
times than any quarterback in the league. Only one other quarterback,
Russell Wilson, has been hit more than four hundred and
ninety times in that span. By the way, said Daniel Popper,
Andrew Luck was hit five hundred eighty times in his
six seasons. Justin Herbert is on pace to be hit
six hundred and twenty five times through six seasons. There's
(35:47):
your answer on Russell Wilson. He just spent a career
getting hit too much and he aged fast. Go look
at Cam Newton. Cam Newton started declining at twenty nine, Gannett,
Cam got hit too much.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Andrew Luck left the league early.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
So it's almost like if you want to be the
guy that closes the bar in your twenties and thirties,
you may not see it in real time. You're gonna
look like hell at fifty one, you can look like
fifty nine and you may not see it now in
real time with Justin Herbert, but you cannot get hit
fourteen and fifteen times a game, and we know why
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because both tackles are out and Makai Bectin's never healthy.
So right now, the Chargers are starting three sixth round
picks on the offensive line. And whereas Cincinnati can't protect
Burrow because they're cheap. This is not a cheap thing.
This is a cluster injuries at one position. And for
years I've always had this rule. I've talked to executives
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in this league forever. I always say, there's three ways
to win in this league, and you have to do
him in order find a great quarterback. Number two, buy
insurance for him, protect him at the offensive line, and
then draft guys who make the opposing quarterback uncomfortable. That's
the league. If you do those three three things, well,
(37:11):
you win super Bowls. When the Rams and McVeigh won
a Super Bowl star quarterback Andrew Whitworth, left tackle Aaron
Donald von Miller.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Andrew Whitworth retires. You still have McVeigh, You still you
have Jared Verse, you have Matt Stafford. Offensive lines not
quite as good. So this is really an offensive line issue.
But unlike Cincinnati, who just doesn't spend the money, the
Chargers have just had bad breaks. So my takeaway is
go back to those Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson stats.
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I think the Chargers, for no other reason forget winning
today is to protect their asset, have to make a
move at the trade deadline. I think the Rams need
to corner. I think you have to go and get
a tackle. And if you have to move Slater when
he gets healthy, if you you gotta go protect this guy.
Go look at it, right, Andrew Luck was a big player.
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Cam Newton was gigantic. Remember how quickly big Ben? Remember
the Big Ben play when he snapped the ball and
fell down without being touched. Big Ben six six two
sixty A big man. Herbert's big But they got to
protect them. Here here's Jim Harbaugh in their recent struggles.
Speaker 10 (38:22):
Doing exactly what we're supposed to be doing and that's
where you got to that's where you got to tighten
tighten up. We need to get the bleeding stop on
the you know, on the penalties of self inflicted wounds,
and it takes I know that's and I know that, Uh,
I know we're capable of doing that. No, we're a
(38:43):
good football team in those areas, and we're not good
at it right now.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Again, three six rounders playing starting. Also, Tom Brady did
the game this past week and Tom Brady said, Justin
Herbert's the best passer in the league.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
He's the best peer passer. He's forty four forty and
a lot of it has been rookie year on.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
They can't protect him, and so I think there's some
times you have to you know, some things in life
you have to overspend, Like if you have kids, you're
gonna spend more in a house for the school district.
There are things in life you just have to overspend.
One gee, you're just gonna have to overspend on a
school district if you have a bunch of young kids.
And I think if you have a star quarterback that's
getting hit, you just got to overspend on the old line.
(39:25):
You got to figure out stuff. You got to hit
on outher draft picks. You have to be cheap at linebacker.
I mean, the Rams won a Super Bowl. They weren't
very good at linebacker. They weren't very good at safety,
but they were great on the old line McVeigh and Stafford.
Right now, according to PFF, bottom five offensive line. So
you can say, well, we're gonna wait for Joe Walt
to get back. You want to wait three more weeks?
You want to watch fourteen hits three more weeks.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Oh, let me ask you something.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
Listening to you talk about Jim Harbaugh's Chargers cluster injuries,
Why are both Harball brothers two of the most injured
teams in the league right now? Is that just fluky unlucky,
or is there like the mindset that they play harder
and it leads to injury.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
I mean, I just thought of this a second ago.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
I'm like, the Ravens are really banged up, and now
the Chargers, I mean, Hampton's on the IR that's not good.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Now, Well, I think both Harbaugh brothers lean into physicality
and some of it's bad breaks. But I think you
know it's the Ravens have been banged up for several years.
By the way, another coast that leans into physicality, Kyle Shanahan.
The Niners are banged up. There is no finesse with
the Harbor's or Shanahan. There's no finesse in those families.
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Speaker 1 (00:39):
It's the Herd wherever you may be, and however you
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you're on. Jmact. Part of what we do, part of
what a lot of people do, is being able to
see the truth before the truth comes out. You know,
(01:00):
you want to buy a stock. You don't want to
buy it when it's gone up. You want to buy
it right before. And so I start my show today
as the Jags beat the Kansas City Chiefs last night,
and I'm going to give you all a heads up
in one hour from now, I am not putting the
Jags four and one, Jags in the hurt hierarchy, and
(01:21):
I'm putting Kansas City in it. Jacksonville's a ridiculous winning team.
I told the staff this morning. The Jaguars are a
David Lynch film. Even the ones I like make me uncomfortable.
They're just ridiculous. I mean, Kansas City averaged seven point
six yards of play before last night. A team that
averaged seven point five yards of play had won thirty
(01:43):
three straight games. I don't care what the final outcome was,
yards yards per play, first down, rushing, red zone. Kansas
City's a better team. Patrick Mahomes did not see Devin
Lloyd on a pick six. He didn't see him. Tom
Brady had pick sixes won in a Super Bowl. It
happens he did not see him, and the Jags deserve credit.
(02:04):
Lloyd's a very good player right now. I mean they
they leave the NFL in interceptions. I don't think it's sustainable,
but that's a great play. But I was impressed with
a team that lost. Kansas City. Keep your eyes open
for Brishard Smith, that late round receiver kid from Miami,
number twenty four. Keep your eye on him. Mahomes hit
(02:26):
eight different receivers. Mahomes athletically in the best shape he's
been in. He looked great. I'm telling you, Kansas City's coming,
and they're coming fast. And the Jaguars, I mean, they're ridiculous.
They get to the one yard line and they fumble
and then later Hey, the final play of the game,
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a guy I love, Trevor Lawrence has fallen all over
the place, tripping over his left guard. This is not sustainable,
It's nonsense. I mean, they leave the NFL in takeaways.
A linebacker leads the NFL interc not sustainable. Brian Thomas,
wide receiver. I don't know what's going on there. He's
in a weird slump. They're head coach twice has had
to apologize. They don't feel buttoned up, but they've got talent.
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I'm rooting for Travis Hunter two. I've always loved Trevor Lawrence.
I feel like he's the indie band. I knew him
before you knew him. I saw him in high school
and loved him. I still love him. He turned the
ball over too much. But I look at Kansas City
and they made a lot of young guy mistakes. And
this is what happens when you pay Chris Jones a
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ton and Mahomes a ton, and you pay Travis Kelsey
a ton. You get top heavy and you have to
have inexpensive labor. And they had thirteen penalties. I think
they had five special teams penalties. They're a very young team.
Andy Reid is going to coach those mistakes out of them.
Jacksonville doesn't make mistakes. Falling down on the final winning play,
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that's just Jacksonville. Fumbling the ball at the one, that's
just Jacksonville. So I think you can co out the
thirteen penalties are most of them. I think Kansas City's
good and getting better now. They're losing one score games.
Last year they were eleven to zero one score games,
but this year they were a little younger in spots
and they're making mistakes. And I mean the final play
(04:17):
of the game they had Trevor Lawrence trapped Jags out
of timeouts and they couldn't make the play, but they
averaged seven point six yards of play, had almost five
hundred yards. They had a bad pick six from Mahomes,
So congrats to Duval. I love Trevor Lawrence. I thought
his throw to Brian Thomas up the right sideline on
that final drive was one of the best throws of
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the year in the NFL. He's always had talent, fumbles
too much, makes too many mistakes, but he's a great kid.
I've met him a couple times. I'll always root for him.
But this morning, I feel Kansas City's a better team.
And I don't care what the score was. My herd
hierarchy is not standings. I can't put Jacksonville in. But
here is Trevor Lawrence out after I'll.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Just panic, sheer panic on the ground trying to we
don't have any timeouts, got stepped on coming out and
I was like, I gotta get up and I was
just gonna throw it out of balance to stop the clock,
and then there was really no one around me.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
So when made a play.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, I mean again, I'm I'm the best team doesn't
always win. And I also think there are things that
are sustainable. I mean, you can win Powerball that's not sustainable.
Or you can invest in the market, pay off your house,
live below your means that's sustainable. Jacksonville's a wild crazy
David Lynch film, Blue Velvet, whatever, I don't care pick
(05:39):
your favorite, but I'm watching it and I'm like, yeah,
I don't trust this team. I trust Kansas City. They
had a bad pick six and loss. But I trust
them and they're getting better. And that wide receiver group
when they get Rashi Rice back, watch out. They're still
not running the ball well enough, but watch out. Okay,
if you didn't watch any Dodger game, especially a Dodger
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playoff game, you've never seen him play.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Last night was.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
The perfect example of why they may or may not
win the World Series. It was all the brilliance in
athleticism and pitching and timely hitting, all these great players
and a god awful bullpen that almost lost in the game.
It was the perfect Dodger game as they beat the
Phillies again on the road. Now they got three games
(06:31):
to win one. Let's start with Blake Snell. He was
great six innings, gave up only one hit, nine strikeouts,
a little wild, but Bryce Harper's a lefty, you know,
Kyle Schwarber.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Is a lefty.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Hey, you got to get these guys out. It was
an advantage and you had to take advantage of it.
Snell was great, struck out. Bryce Harper got him on
a two on one out in the six inning and
got him out. Huge, huge crisis management for Blake Snell.
So let's start with there great pitching, and this is
what the Dodgers need. They need great starting pitching. They
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got to push it late, they got to get to
the sixth. They got to get to the seventh because
you don't trust the bullpen. And then later in the
sixth inning, Miguel Rojas, who's been around forever shortstop third base,
makes a great defensive play for the Dodgers. They had
several great defensive plays. He races to the bag. It
is a huge play with a couple of runners on
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in the sixth it gets him out of the inning.
So you saw Blake Snell. Great pitching, tremendous defense. Then
we go to the top of the seventh and the
Dodgers timely hitting. We've said before they've got to hit
with runners in scoring position. They've got to get leads
in games. Not one runner two, they need three and
four runnings. Will Smith a couple of RBIs there o.
(07:49):
Tawny follows drives in another run, and here you go.
Dodgers now lead for nothing. Two nothing lead not good enough.
So now and as we discuss, the bullpen in the
playoffs has a nine er, so they're giving up a
run per inning. So now they're gonta lead, and this
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is the classic Dodgers. You've seen great defense, you've seen
starting pitching, you've seen timely hitting. Here comes Blake, try
to well traveled old dude, uh for to one lead,
three hits, three batters. Suddenly it's four to three and
there's still nobody out. This is a classic Dodger game.
A white knuckler. So you see all the greatness and
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then they go to the bullpen. Shocker, they can't close
the door. But then they have another great defensive play.
It's called the wheel play. They hadn't practiced. It's usually
a spring training play, and the Dodgers month set of
Mookie pull it off at third base.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
That could have been the game. Probably was the game.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
So you've seen starting pitching, you've seen great defense, timely hitting,
more great defense, and that's what it took. They needed
three pay to get through the ninth inning. It was
a classic Dodger game. Even the final out of the game,
you are holding your breath. The Dodgers are a flawed team,
but unlike the Yankees, they're not uneven. They can play
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small ball, they can play great defense, they can run
the bases, they can hit for power, they have great
starting pitching.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
They're not the Yankees.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
The Yankees depend too much on the home run, they
strike out too much, they don't do small ball, and
they don't love their bullpen. The Dodgers are flawed, but
they're not uneven. They can win a multitude a ways.
And last night was perfect. You saw all of the ways.
Timely hitting singles, not home runs, starting pitching, great defense,
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the wheel play, and here's Dave Roberts.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
After those guys executed it to perfection, it was a
lot tougher. They made it look a lot easier than
it was. And for me, that was our only chance
really to win that game in that moment.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Again, if you'd never watched the Dodger game, that was
the one to watch because it perfectly encapsulated what they are. Brilliant,
the deepest roster, the best roster. And I know you're thinking,
for all that money, you shouldn't have flaws. No, they
were on display.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
They are.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I mean, the Dodger team could end up winning the
World Series and have more games where their fans literally
lost sleep as they win over one hundred games if
you count the playoffs, well over one hundred games potentially,
so it was a great night of sports. Cubs are
in big trouble Milwaukee and the Dodgers. I picked Milwaukee
(10:42):
to win the World Series. It looks like right now
you're gonna get a Milwaukee and Dodger NLCS. And again,
the Dodgers have more stars, but Milwaukee's got the better bullpen,
Milwaukee's got some young star players. Milwaukee's a team without
a flaw. I mean Milwaukee last year, everybody thought they
had the best GM and the best manager in baseball,
and the Mets stole one of them. The Cubs stole
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another one and then they replaced them. Haven't missed beat.
So Milwaukee's just a really well owned, smartly run, brilliantly
managed baseball team that may not have the star power
outside of Milwaukee, but they don't do anything poorly. So
that could potentially be a great series. Jmack heard hierarchy
one hour from now. Nick Wright stops by a Rod's
on the show today as well.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
You really said, Jacksonville's not never heard hierarchy.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Interesting, you tick down the Niners and the Chiefs have
them at eleven. They're not worthy. Are the Chiefs in
the top ten? Yep? Oh, dear, Oh, Mike, you know
I wore black today.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
It's kind of Navy bluish because I want to celebrate
the Chief's funeral.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Season over if you.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Look at the schedule, con I'm not even kidding. Lions
this week at Lions teams good. I think you like
them a lot, and looking forward, they still got to
play the Broncos twice. Chargers is in December when they're
going to be healthy with Hampton back, and so.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, okay, let me mention a few other games can
win Bills can't defend the run or the back.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
In the Buffalo and meeting Josh Allen.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Okay, Dallas Houston beat up Chargers, Titans Raiders again, But.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Did Dallas just tide Green Bay, who was.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
Like number two in your herd hierarchy. I'll give you
the two ruins over the Raiders. I'll give you Tennessee.
Find me more wins the colt is that's not gonna
be easy. Culture very good.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I'm just telling you this schedule looks like eight and
nine for the Chiefs. I don't see playoffs.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
I know you think that they're gonna Oh they're Rashi Rice,
I mean, is he Jerry Rice is Jerry Rice and
Bro'm Jerry Rice joining the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
I saw a great football team with a bad pick six.
It happens. I mean if they score.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
There, keep that same energy when Brock Party throws a
pick six next week.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
He's not momes.
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Speaker 1 (13:21):
All right, welcome back. It is a Tuesday. Nick Wright
Herd hierarchy forty minutes from now. Say right now, Jacks
aren't in it. They're eleven. So anytime a team starts
winning a bunch of championships could be duke basketball. The
Patriots with Brady. It could be the Warriors. You heard
it a lot in Kansas City, the Meatheads, especially the
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meatheads online.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
It's got to be rigged. I mean, the league wants
them to win.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, the league really roots for small market Kansas City
to dominate.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah. Yeah, sure.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Second possession of the game, touchdown Mahomes of Travis Elsey.
Flag thrown and on this play, everybody's yell it's a pack.
But Mahomes knew the rules because Andy Reid knows the rules,
and Mahomes was right. He didn't talk the ref out
of it. He said, hey, it's pass interference by either
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team when any act by a player more than one
yard beyond the line of scrimmage has to be more
than one yard. Ball was at the two, Juju contacted
the defender at the one. Kansas City was right because
Andy Reid knows the rules. Kobe Bryant spent his off
seasons every year rereading the rule book. Sean Payton knows
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the rules. Remember when San Francisco and Kansas City met
in Super Bowl fifty eight and San Francisco players did
not know the overtime rules. Kansas City's did because Andy
Reid's a stickler for that stuff, and that is constantly
in Patrick Mahomes' ear. The one thing you have to
say about Kansas City there were four for five in
the red zone last night. They're the best circumstance situational offense.
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I think the Mahomes offense the best ever. Now you
could say Brady was with Edelman and Gronk, but you add,
you know, you also add the mobility of Patrick Mahomes.
To me, Andy Reid, Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, it's the best
situational third and fourth down team. I don't want to
hear about the Eagles. They got a tush push. I'm
talking third and five, third and six, red zone. This
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is what Kansas City does. And there are certain coaches
that just know the rule book. So this is not
about I know all you grifters online are freaking out,
just like you were with every Warriors call they got
in the finals. But this is what they do. They
were right, the players knew they were right. And by
the way, Andy Reid, I can guarantee you when he
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created this play, I bet he'll text me. I guarantee
you they talked about this. I'm going to text him today.
I'm going to say, Andy, I want you to text me.
I'll text first. I guarantee you. When they drew up
this play, he said, listen, they may call a flag
on the play, but it's not illegal.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
It is not illegal, So you know, you go. I know,
I know the league.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I always laugh at all these dynasties, like everybody is
rooting for Green Bay in the league office to be
good every year, the smallest North American market or Kansas City,
or they were rooting for New England and their crusty
coach Bill Belichick that hated the media and refused to
do like national interviews. I can assure you the Warriors
were not the team that David Stern and Adam Silver
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were rooting for before the dynasty. Steve Kerr smart, Steph
Curry's amazing, Draymond Green's a Hall of Famer. So they
know the rules and that's why they win. That's why
they win so many close games. That's why they're so
good on this stuff. I mean, I watched Kansas City
in these situational moments. By the way, you saw it
with Denver, j Max. You saw it with Denver against
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the Eagles when they went for the two point conversion
and Sean Payton came out, he goes, oh, I love
that play, and we worked down it perfectly. That's why,
because the last three or four weeks they've done it
forty times at practice. So I know, folks, you think
in the stands on your couch, you got it all
figured out. That's what these teams do. Seventy five percent
of the Chiefs practice is on plays like this. They're
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not practicing between the forty yard line stuff. They're practicing
situational third down football, and Andy Reid's arguably the best
that's ever done it in the history.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Of the league.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
You know what's tough about this is the broadcast brought
on the rules officiator guy, and he said it would
have been a good offensive pass interfears, and I think
that's probably what.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Led to the online tsunami of oh the Chiefs get
all the calls. I was a little.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Confused, right, Oh, contention is the guy came on and
he was like, yeah, some of these rules analysts, Thank god,
we've had Mike Pereira. I'll just say that we've had
real good ones at Fox. They're not all equal, just
like all quarterbacks and coaches aren't equal. All rules analysts
on networks are not equal. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Now this is the herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
All right, let's get started with last night's Brewers game.
Oh my gosh, how about that the Brewers had played
fifty five postseason games in franchise history and had never
homered with multiple runners on base in any of them.
Then they hit two three run homers in the span
of four innings. Went from Andrew Vaughan Latin homers since
August fifteenth and Jacksonurio.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Oh yeah, who is a complete stud.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah, this is great, This is good for baseball. I mean,
I know everybody loves the Cubs, but I'll tell you this,
Milwaukee is. It reminds me years and years ago when
the Rays down in Tampa before the Dodger stole their
GM Andrew Friedman. The Rays were good every year and
you're like, they have no money. They literally have no
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fans and no money. Milwaukee's got fans in money. So
Milwaukee's like a better capitalized version of Tampa, where they
scout better, they develop better, They've got a pipeline of
really smart managers in their minor league system. Milwaukee is
a you know, you think about this all the time.
Think of how good, how well run the Packers are,
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and now how well run the Brewers are. So it's
just yet the New York football teams are sad, sack pathetic,
has Matt spills, so everybody gets they're afraid of all this.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Oh my god. Milwaukee does sports well. Well, the Bucks
are about to lose, you honest, But you're right.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
They've been a winning playoff team right now. New York
sports is gross. Everything in Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Well, the Badgers as.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Well, But the Badgers right now, I mean, they've never
gotten their quarterback right. But the nil has not helped
Wisconsin football. It's it's it's and that's kind of a
cultural change that they're going to have to figure out.
Badger fans, I agree with Barry Alvarez, are a little spoiled.
They've been so good for so long since he got there.
But i'd sist Milwaukee is a team without a flaw.
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They don't have the Dodger star power, bullpen staff. We're
hitting average singles. I think Bay and the Jades. They
may let the National League and singles.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
They do everything well, and the Cubs come back and
make this interestinger.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I mean Milwaukee's got win one more game. Do you
think Milwaukee's going to go into three game losing streak?
Great teams, don't.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
I hope, so go Cubs. Next up, Colin Not great news.
Bill's wide receiver Keon Coleman, who's emerging, is like maybe
a number one time. Interestingly, he was absent for the
Bill's first drive Sunday night against the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Everybody's wondering where's Keon Coleman.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
Bill's coach Sean McDermott was asked about it Monday, and
here's what he said about his young pass catcher.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Growth maturation that leads to.
Speaker 9 (20:43):
Consistency more than anything, and like anything else you do,
you have winning habits, it leads to winning on the field.
And so that's really what we're trying to create, and
that's what we're here to do, is help young men
in this case grow and mature and develop and come professionals.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Shocker wide receiver maturity issues not good.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
We saw Jordan Addison in Minnesota was benched.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Hanging out with a rapper in London after hour. I mean,
was that the crazy?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I mean that it's amazing to me that you would
talk yourself into that knowing. I mean, it's like the
golden rule for any organization when you go on the road.
It's like the two times people get in trouble companies,
are you go on the road or a Christmas party.
You got to know that going in butt't it out.
And so it's just like, come on, man, Jordan Aison,
come on, bro, You're you're smarter than that. And then
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this is probably another you know, a young guy making
a mistake.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Well, Keon Coleman. This guy was a big time athlete.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
He was at Michigan State basketball and football. Briefly, they
need him Colin because that receiving core like Kim Kid's awesome.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Shak here's a good slot guy.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
They can't need Kid. Bills can't defend their run. What
does that mean? So there are going to be stretches
where Josh Allen watches. I mean, like a bad matchup
for Buffalo would be Detroit. Detroit's a bad matchup because
Josh Allen would sit and watch the game on the bench.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
So they have to score some easy points.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Okay, because you start looking at the way Buffalo is constructed,
they need that pop player. I mean, just like New
England Stefon Diggs. You need these pop players because not
every you can't win Super Bowls where everything is a
twenty seven play drive like last night. Kansas City because
they don't have Rashi Rice yet and it's an emerging,
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growing receiving core. Kansas City had long, long, several long drives.
At some point Worthy in Rashi Rice will give you
four play touchdown drives like right now. That's the thing
with Philadelphia. It's like they're a run team, but you
got to get aj Brown. He's got to give you
a freebie every weekend. They can't get him the ball deep.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
Yeah, this Bill's run defense major leaky Ravens ran all
over them.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
We know the Chargers are going to have a real
good run game. Broncos have a good run game.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
All of a sudden, I don't know that the I
don't feel as confident as I did about the Bills
coming out.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Of the as. No do I who do you have
a leader at this point? Is it Buffalo?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I'm just gonna tell you, I don't know who's gonna
win the AFC. You do not want to play the Colts.
Cults are gonna win their division. You do not want
to play the Colt I.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Mean, John choices.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
I would rather face Daniel Jones anywhere, Indie whatever, than I.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Would rather face Josh Allen in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
Okay, that's obvious. Josh Allen's gonna make things happen, bro
final story Listen, I don't want to get too negative here, Colin,
but isolate number ninety five Chris Jones on your screen.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
This was the game decided to play. Look at Chris Jones.
He's not even running. I mean, he's just loafing.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Chris Jones, not even making any of an effort. Trevor
Lawrence fill down twice on this play.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Jones couldn't stiff him.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
You see the rest of his defense after that, there's
multiple angles on this.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
The rest of the defense is gas. They're on one knee.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
Oh my gosh, I'm tired. Chris Jones is just like
walking around now. He was asked of it after the game.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Here's what he said.
Speaker 10 (24:04):
I thought, multiple times we had him and we just
got to finish.
Speaker 11 (24:06):
We got to finish.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, multiple guys there that we just got to finish
that play.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
It was a flute play for him to be able
to break that many tackles. But yeah, I think I
put it on mess as the defense.
Speaker 10 (24:19):
We got to finish, you know, we got to bring
him down on that.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Now, it should be noted on that last drive he
he almost created three or four disruptions. So Chris Jones
was very good, and he forced Trevor Lawrence to run
on the out side on a big play. I think
he thought he was down and stopped and then he
got up and he thought, oh, I can't catch him.
I'm not trying to defend Chris Jones. But Chris Jones
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had had a good final drive until that play.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
I don't like hearing we we we we had multiple
guys there. How about I I didn't make a play? Now?
Remember week one? Do you remember the game against the Chargers?
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Justin Herbert on that bootleg and he didn't contain and
Drew Trenkle got in his face and they were kind
of squabbling.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I'm just listen.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
Chris Jones is He's obviously a Hall of Fame player,
He's got the credentials. Something's going on this season. He
does not seem locked in Colin. If they lose to
the Lions. This is gonna go sideways for Kansas City at.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Two and four with some holes in the.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
Defense where she writes, ain't saving to day, He's not
put on a superman gape and getting Chris.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Jones into shape. Look at that he's walking. Can you
imagine me half asking a segment like that.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
You'd be like, come on, that is unacceptable. Andy Reid
has to show that Spagnolo to the whole defense.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Colin, that is not good man, show that to Nick. Right,
I'm curious what he thinks. All right, we'll la mister
Kansas City. Yeah, you go ahead and sell all your
chief stock. I don't even know that anything all by,
all of them, have all of it, all of it
is all yours. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
You know, there's the old cliche that you want to
you wanna treat people well as you're moving up the
food chain in life, because you'll be coming down that
food chain and people will remember. And the stories now
are emerging, multiple sources, multiple stories, multiple leaks at Carolina
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that Bill Belichick and Mike Lombardi. It is a disaster.
Parents hate him, administrators can't stand him. And this is
what happens when you lose people keep quiet when you're
winning because nobody wants to hear it and you'll get
called out. But when you're losing, the truth comes out.
And I said this for years, Belichick, when he was
in Cleveland, he didn't treat people well.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
In New England. He didn't even treat Brady well.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
And now.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Think about how successful he was in New England. Couple
bad seasons. Robert Kraft is like out of here. Would
you really do that if he had a warm spot
in your heart? Form But he's been so curt and
so bottom line and so dismissive for so long that
the minute New England went sideways, the minute Carolina go sideways.
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And I said this, Belichick and Mike Lombardi, it's a
friends and family staff. They're NFL guys, they're not college guys.
College football is about pageantry and bands and lee corso
for years putting on a silly mascot helmet. If you
watch the college football pregame show at that network or
our network, it's stunts and fun and laughing and it's great.
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It's not the NFL. The NFL is business. It's cutting
guys after a bad game. It's hard, and Belichick is hard,
and Lombardi's his guy.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
He's hard.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
And that's why I said, I don't know how this
thing's going to go. But they're NFL guys, and there's
a lot of sons on the staff, and they're the
well compensated ones, at least in Belichick's case, and it's
going to create animosity. And now there are stories out
now that when you're dismissive and you're gruff and you're
cranky and on the way up, people get a member
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on the way down and they've had no on the
way up at Carolina. So I mean, Drew bledsoell, what
was on our show yesterday? Just I asked him, are
you surprised how bad it's been?
Speaker 11 (28:10):
Bill is obviously brilliant, there's no getting around that. But
he also put together teams in New England that were brilliant.
You know, you look at the guys on the defenses
that he coached and the you know, you got, you know,
really brilliant guys. Rabel was one of those guys. You know,
Teddy Bruski, you know ty law Lawyer, Molloy, Rodney Harrison,
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you son. I'm not piling on Bill here, but you know,
you're gonna go sit in the living room with a
seventeen year old you know, do you want to go
play for Bill Belichick as a seventeen year old, you know?
Or do you want to go, you know, play for
the Oregon Ducks.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Yeah. And by the way, Bledsoe is no fan of
the Oregon Ducks. He's a Washington Stater. So and I
think this is true. I think just sort of the
Kurt Gruff dismissive nature. I think it works at the
NFL level if you're winning, But the minute Bill started
losing in New England, people are just over it.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
The other thing.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
And I've said this before, not every NFL coach would
win in college, even though NFL coaches on average are
better than college coaches.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I always felt.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
John Gruden and Rex Ryan, their personalities can win in college.
Nick Saban may have been gruff, but he's also charming.
And Nick Saban's got a personality, and he's a great storyteller.
And Nick Saban likes the media. He disagrees with the media.
He can be rough on the media, but Nick Saban
kind of likes the media. He joined the media. It's
not performative. Nick's fun to be around. Nick Listens. Nick's fun,
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he's charming, he's smart, Bill smart. But I just this
is a I didn't think it would be this bad.
But you know, Mac Brown won twice at North Carolina.
He won a lot of games. And he tweeted out
a picture yesterday with Drake May which may be a
shot at Belichick. I'm not sure because Belichick won't have
anything to do with anybody that plays for the Patriots.
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And again it's all that grudge holding and anger and
that vendetta stuff because he doesn't like Robert Kraft and broke.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
You got to get over it.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
College I said this, the NFL is about upstairs. It's
about smart GMing and really good scheming. College football is
about talent. Because you only have seventeen hours a week
to coach. You're not gonna win with schemes. You need bros.
You just got to have talent. In the NFL, you
have to have some talent, but you really have to
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have a good front office. I mean, that's why Kansas
City is good year after year after year. It's not
just Andy Reid and Mahomes. They haven't had always the
most talent, but they work the trade deadline, they draft
and develop. Well, they find guys in later rounds. So
you know, it's an upstairs, downstairs thing. In the NFL.
College is about guys. You guys got to get guys,
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and it's you know, this is getting ugly. And now
there's a ton of leaks because he's alienated so many
people through the years. And you know, college football a
lot of it's about walking down the hall and saying
hi to the volleyball coach and taking the call for
from the dad whose son's not playing. I said, that's
not Bill. That is not Bill, and that is college football.
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And if you don't want to own it, don't do
it right right. If you don't like the smell of
a farm, don't milk cows right like part of working
on a farm as it smells all the time, and
you gotta get used to it, or don't be a farmer.
This is this is really bad. Go read the stories yourself.
There it is the tide is turned.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays
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Speaker 6 (31:32):
It's a pair of game threes in the Alds starting
but the Mariners taking on the Tigers.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Coverage begins next here on FS one.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Then in primetime Judge and the Yankees look to stay
alive as they host the Blue Jays at eight Eastern.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I've said this, I said it yesterday and last week
about the Yankees. The Dodgers and the Yankees spend a
lot of money on their teams. The difference is the
Yankees are uneven and totally home run dependent. The Dodgers
just have a bad bullpen. There's a difference. The Yankees aren't.
I don't think they field as well. They don't sacrifice,
they don't do small ball, they don't have a great bullpen.
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I think last night you really saw what makes the
Dodger special is they know they've got to get three
and four run leads. They know they've got to have
great starting pitching. Dodgers know that, but last night they
answered the bell. That's always harder to win on the road,
a harsh environment. But between Snell and Rojas and Will Smith,
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Munsey and Bookie Betts on the defensive gym in the
ninth inning, it was a complete team victory. I don't
know if the Yankees can do that. And Toronto gets
a lot of guys on base, so the Eagles are
the best roster in the NFL, but over the course
of the last two years, they've been surging, shrinking hot
cold based on their coordinators. And they think they've hired
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a coordinator, a first time play caller, and he's struggling
to find his way. So talented players don't just suddenly
get untalented. And last year this offense was unbelievable. Philadelphia
has got a coaching crisis, and in times of crisis,
you have to go back to your identity, and the
Eagles identity is pretty obvious. Last two years, they're twelve
to zero when they throw fewer than twenty five times,
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run the damn ball, and be physical. It's not complicated,
so it's interesting. Sometimes it's very complicated. Why is a
team losing? And you're looking around, You're like, I don't know,
Like Kansas City last night, well the thirteen penalties, we
had a bad pick six, but they should have won
the average seven point six yards of play. So you
fly back home and you're scratching your head. It's not
difficult with this team. They were two and two last
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year at the bye, and you know what they did.
Threw the ball less, ran more and it won here's
Matt Hasselbeck yesterday on their issues.
Speaker 12 (33:48):
I just think that Filly needs just be proud of
who they are. Like I think, you know, sometimes you're
trying to feed disgruntled players just a little big trying
to keep everybody happy. I think Saquon I appreciate how
they're getting involved in the passing game, but you're giving
the defense too much credit. If you just say, oh,
they're gonna quote unquote stack the box against Saquon, Make
them prove that they can stop the run. That would
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be my advice to Philly. Make every team you play
prove that they are as physical as they are lining
up to be with guys in the box.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, there should never be a moment for the Philadelphia
Eagles when you lead by fourteen points and Saquon Barkley
finishes with only six carries. That is coaching malfeasons and
for the record, coaches and players improve. That is not
to say their new offensive coordinator can't grow and get better.
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I watched Matt Lafleur, first year Packer coach. The second year,
I felt like, Wow, he was a much better situational
coach in year two, a much better coach After halftime
coaches improve. But yeah, I don't think it's complicated with Philadelphia.
Just run the ball more so. There's always been this
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weird mystery with one player in NFL history, and I've
talked about it on this show several times. Russell Wilson
did not have a major injury, and he went from
elite to not very good to bad really fast. Why
how did he age so quickly? I was reading a
tweet yesterday by Daniel Popper. It says since entering the
(35:24):
NFL in twenty twenty, Justin Herbert has been hit more
times than any quarterback in the league. Only one other quarterback,
Russell Wilson, has been hit more than four hundred and
ninety times in that span. By the way, said Daniel Popper,
Andrew Luck was hit five hundred eighty times in his
six seasons. Justin Herbert is on pace to be hit
six hundred and twenty five times through six seasons. There's
(35:47):
your answer on Russell Wilson. He just spent a career
getting hit too much and he aged fast. Go look
at Cam Newton. Cam Newton started declining at twenty nine, Gannett,
Cam got hit too much.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Andrew Luck left the league early.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
So it's almost like if you want to be the
guy that closes the bar in your twenties and thirties,
you may not see it in real time. You're gonna
look like hell at fifty one, you can look like
fifty nine and you may not see it now in
real time with Justin Herbert, but you cannot get hit
fourteen and fifteen times a game, and we know why
(36:27):
because both tackles are out and Makai Bectin's never healthy.
So right now, the Chargers are starting three sixth round
picks on the offensive line. And whereas Cincinnati can't protect
Burrow because they're cheap. This is not a cheap thing.
This is a cluster injuries at one position. And for
years I've always had this rule. I've talked to executives
(36:50):
in this league forever. I always say, there's three ways
to win in this league, and you have to do
him in order find a great quarterback. Number two, buy
insurance for him, protect him at the offensive line, and
then draft guys who make the opposing quarterback uncomfortable. That's
the league. If you do those three three things, well,
(37:11):
you win super Bowls. When the Rams and McVeigh won
a Super Bowl star quarterback Andrew Whitworth, left tackle Aaron
Donald von Miller.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Andrew Whitworth retires. You still have McVeigh, You still you
have Jared Verse, you have Matt Stafford. Offensive lines not
quite as good. So this is really an offensive line issue.
But unlike Cincinnati, who just doesn't spend the money, the
Chargers have just had bad breaks. So my takeaway is
go back to those Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson stats.
(37:43):
I think the Chargers, for no other reason forget winning
today is to protect their asset, have to make a
move at the trade deadline. I think the Rams need
to corner. I think you have to go and get
a tackle. And if you have to move Slater when
he gets healthy, if you you gotta go protect this guy.
Go look at it, right, Andrew Luck was a big player.
(38:04):
Cam Newton was gigantic. Remember how quickly big Ben? Remember
the Big Ben play when he snapped the ball and
fell down without being touched. Big Ben six six two
sixty A big man. Herbert's big But they got to
protect them. Here here's Jim Harbaugh in their recent struggles.
Speaker 10 (38:22):
Doing exactly what we're supposed to be doing and that's
where you got to that's where you got to tighten
tighten up. We need to get the bleeding stop on
the you know, on the penalties of self inflicted wounds,
and it takes I know that's and I know that, Uh,
I know we're capable of doing that. No, we're a
(38:43):
good football team in those areas, and we're not good
at it right now.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Again, three six rounders playing starting. Also, Tom Brady did
the game this past week and Tom Brady said, Justin
Herbert's the best passer in the league.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
He's the best peer passer. He's forty four forty and
a lot of it has been rookie year on.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
They can't protect him, and so I think there's some
times you have to you know, some things in life
you have to overspend, Like if you have kids, you're
gonna spend more in a house for the school district.
There are things in life you just have to overspend.
One gee, you're just gonna have to overspend on a
school district if you have a bunch of young kids.
And I think if you have a star quarterback that's
getting hit, you just got to overspend on the old line.
(39:25):
You got to figure out stuff. You got to hit
on outher draft picks. You have to be cheap at linebacker.
I mean, the Rams won a Super Bowl. They weren't
very good at linebacker. They weren't very good at safety,
but they were great on the old line McVeigh and Stafford.
Right now, according to PFF, bottom five offensive line. So
you can say, well, we're gonna wait for Joe Walt
to get back. You want to wait three more weeks?
You want to watch fourteen hits three more weeks.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Oh, let me ask you something.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
Listening to you talk about Jim Harbaugh's Chargers cluster injuries,
Why are both Harball brothers two of the most injured
teams in the league right now? Is that just fluky unlucky,
or is there like the mindset that they play harder
and it leads to injury.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
I mean, I just thought of this a second ago.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
I'm like, the Ravens are really banged up, and now
the Chargers, I mean, Hampton's on the IR that's not good.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Now, Well, I think both Harbaugh brothers lean into physicality
and some of it's bad breaks. But I think you
know it's the Ravens have been banged up for several years.
By the way, another coast that leans into physicality, Kyle Shanahan.
The Niners are banged up. There is no finesse with
the Harbor's or Shanahan. There's no finesse in those families.
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