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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It is a Thursday, and once again best time of
the year in sports. There is a ton to talk about,
ascending teams, seasons, ending seasons.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
On the brink.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
One hour from now, Greg Cosell stops by best fifteen
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or any show. It's Greg Cosel Jmax. A team from Canada.
Oh Canada has eliminated your New York Yankees, and it
was in fairly dominating fast.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
And I know it's painful to one and then to
the error, you know, like, come on, let's close.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I don't know doubt it. Let's have a harsh talk this.
I'll be a therapist for the New York Yankees. Let's
all sit down, take a deep breath and admit, the
Yankees just aren't that good. They're good, They're not that good.
Think about this. I looked it up this morning. If
you take out the American League Central in the playoffs
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since two thousand and nine, the last World Series, the
Yankees are three and ten against every other division in
the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Three and ten.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, they're great against the middling payroll American League Central
since that time, eight and two. Aaron Judge is great.
Garrett Cole and Max Freed if they're healthy. What a
one to two punch. I like Jazz Chisholm. I like him,
don't love him. But they just got out hit by
Toronto fifty hits to thirty four. And the Jays are
the better fielding team. They strike out less, they get
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more hits, more contact hitters, they create more action.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
The Yankees feel like an unbalanced diet, too much protein,
not enough green, like all those weirdos on TikTok selling
you and lecturing you on the carnivore diet. Hey Champ
mixing a carrot. The Yankees are completely beholden. This team
is once Carrett Garrett Cole got hurt to home runs. Yeah,
Garrett Stanton had seven last year in the playoffs. This
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year had none. It's a totally unbalanced baseball team. And
Aaron Judges great, But last year was all on Garrett Cole.
When you took Garrett Cole out against the Dodgers, they
looked like one of those American League Central teams against
the Dodgers. This year it's all on Aaron Judge because
you don't have coal. And it's I mean again, you
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needed Stanton and Judge to both be great. Aaron was
John Carlos Stanton, where's the deep ball? So I mean,
I if you want to talk about balance, and you
can hit home runs and pay a lot of money
and have balance. The Dodgers last year O Tawny had
a historic regular season, carried the Dodgers and then Tommy
Edmund Nationallygue Championship Series, MVP and the World Series. It
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was Freddie Freeman. That's balance. Yankees have none. It's just
completely unbalanced. And here's the other thing, this is probably
the last run with these guys. It should be I mean,
Aaron Judge next year is going to be thirty four
in the season, Stanton's going to be thirty five. Garrett
Cole's going to be thirty five off an injury, So
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they need to get younger, they need to get more athletic,
and they need to turn radio off. I mean, it's
not a coincidence that Seattle and Milwaukee and a lot
of these medium markets are really good right now. They
don't react to the noise outside the building. I mean,
you take out since they last won a World Series
in two thousand and nine. They do not beat top
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tier franchises. They beat the American League Central in the
playoffs eight and two. They're great against the Central, but
those teams don't have any money. The Dodgers spend it,
but spend it smarter. The Cubs are spending it smarter.
They're just running into Milwaukee. So it's a little bit
like the Pittsburgh Steelers. The brand is big, they do
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a lot of things well, they draft pretty well. But
you know the Steelers, when do they beat elite quarterbacks
in the playoffs? They don't. Ten years they don't. When
do the Yankees beat good franchises in the playoffs? They're
all and four against the Astros. Astros just fell apart
this year physically, But again, who are you beating? Like
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the Dodgers have their hands full with the Phillies. The
Phillies are great. My guess is the Dodgers probably figure
out a way to win one of the next two games.
But the Phillies are great, and the Dodgers are great,
and Milwaukee is really really good. Toronto's excellent. They do
a lot of things. Well, what do the Yankees do well?
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I mean this is this is Aaron Judge on this.
Their stars are old Garrett Cole Stanton Aaron Judge, I mean,
you gotta start moving some pieces, do you not.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Here's Aaron after nothing.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Once again, it comes down to the little things. Making
the little plays come with the big hit. If you
don't do that, give team duckture outs. You know they're
going to capitalize on it. For us, we gotta we
gotta clean a couple of things up and we'll be
right back here.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
The other thing is this is it's like an annual tradition.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
It is so predictable.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Is that you know, the Giants and the Jets and
the Nicks and the Nets and the Mets, they're always
just moving pieces left and right, and fire and gms
and firing coaches and the knock in New York as
they're too patient. Brian Cashman need to relieve him. Why
don't they have more good players? Well, analytics and baseball
the guys upstairs are making a lot of the calls,
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So let's blame the manager. But the truth is, Aaron
Boone I don't know how much power he has. I mean,
I'm listening to Derek Jeter after that loss last night
talk about the current state of the New York Yankees
and Aaron Boone, and I think there is a lot
of truth. And what Derek Jeter said.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
What's tough is for the Yankee fans, right, this is
the second year in a row that they've watched another
team celebrate on their home field, and you can.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Feel the frustration. Aaron did a good job.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
I mean, look, he's working with what he has to
work with, and he sticks up for his players. I
know he takes a lot of heat, but look, I'm
not saying it from any inside knowledge, but I'm pretty
sure Aaron's not the one that's calling every move that
they make throughout the game.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Go look at the salaries of major League baseball managers.
They make about half of what a college football coach makes.
There's a reason they've been marginalized. They don't matter, right,
so they have to be pro play to keep their jobs.
You don't want to disrupt the locker room. Players have
never made more money three four five hundred million, So
you can blame Aaron Boone. But I look at this
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team and I just see an unbalanced diet, not enough greens,
home run dependent last year, Garrett Cole dependent. The truth
is when Garrett Cole got hurt before the season. I
think we talked about it on the show. You're not
a World Series team, but it's more than that. It's
the average base running. They're not athletic enough. They're not
a great fielding team. They don't sacrifice, they strike out
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too much. Let's be honest, Toronto dominated them. The Toronto
Blue Jays weren't just better than the Yankees. They are
a lot better than the Yankees. They don't strike out
as much, more contact guys, they get on base more,
and their pitching was better.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
All right.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
So there's a couple of stories on Bill Belichick yesterday
after our show. One story says, and there are those
disputing it, is that North Carolina and Belichick are already
working on a buyout. So the person who's stating that
isn't a big name, doesn't work at a big company.
I don't know how realistic it is, but I thought
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about this yesterday when I heard it. If I said
give me four or five words that explain the NFL,
you'd say shield corporate, professional business, kind of cutthroat. If
I said five or six words that explain college football, pageantry, bands, alumni, donors, fun,
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which one does it sound like Bill Belichick would fit in.
I thought this from the beginning. I thought it was
a bit of a money grab. He showed no interest
in college football none none. I mean, look at his
draft the last seven years in New England. He clearly
doesn't watch the sport until he has to at the
Senior Bowl.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
But he's a new year.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Job, bottom line guy, and that's what not College football's
not college football. When you win, sometimes you got to
dance with the players. It's not about culture. Sometimes you
got to dance with the players. You can look at
Nick say and go oh, he's harsh. Nick Saban's charming
and can be funny. You watch him on television. Nick's great,
he's funny, he's charming, he's a great storyteller. I mean
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the whole thing is felt weird, Like the Jordan Hudson
relationship doesn't bother me. To each their own, but I
mean she's kind of the age of some of the players.
Maybe to parents administrators, there's an ick factor and recently
Carolina had a buy. Bill goes to Nantucket with his girlfriend.
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That's not what Dan Lanning's doing. He's on the phone
to recruits. Nick Saban the day after winning a national
championship is on the recruiting trail. So you've got to
be totally committed to college football. And it's a different vibe, totally.
Sometimes you got to dance with the players. And Mike Lombardi,
the GM is again, he's not your warm uncle. You know,
that's just not his personality. And that's okay. Bill's a
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pro guy, Mike's a pro guy. That's who they are.
So I think a lot of times I talk about
this all the time. Fit happens right and fit matters,
and you know, he comes out with a book and
chapel Bill and Bill had bills. The NFL said no thanks,
and Bill's got bills to pay. He's got the Florida house,
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the Nantucket plays, the boats and the lifestyle and he
not flying Southwest Airlines. And Bill's like, I'll take it.
But from the very beginning I was suspicious about the buyout.
Didn't you guys think that was crazy? Bill and his
agent negotiated a very very small buyout, meaning if Bill
got a job within a year, he could leave buyouts nothing.
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So I don't know which story is true. It's not
going well, it's going sideways. It's circling the drain. But
to be great in college football, it's a lot of things,
and it's sometimes it is connective tissue with players and parents.
And I said, when Bill got this job, I said,
do you really think Bill's going to be going to
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volleyball matches cheering on that? Well, that's what you got
to do in college. Sometimes you gotta go watch the
softball team and go drop by the volleyball coach's office
and call and deal with parents and say hi to
the administrators. Let's go grab a cocktail tonight. That's part
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of college football. College football is more fun than the NFL.
The NFL is just better, better coaching, more professional, better
quarterback play. It's professional sports, which is always better than
college sports. And you know, it's just run better big cities,
big brands, a lot of money. But college football is awesome.
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But it's a bit more joyful and fun to those
two words sound like Bill Belichick. So we'll keep you
updated on that story. Some are disputing that the buyouts happening.
I don't have any insight in North Carolina football. I
was actually at a place last night. I'm not going
to give you the specifics, but first person I saw
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is a big, big Carolina I would just say supporter
as a business person. I know, very sharp, former player,
and he was on the field against Clemson. I said
what it was it like? He said, we were beat
before that thing started. No energy, no juice. College football
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is about running out of the tunnel.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Miami.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
The smoke's coming out, the fight song, the Rock and
Clemson and coming out of the tunnel is a big
deal in college football. No juice, no energy, and at
this point, no shot in Carolina for Belichick. So Jay Mac,
I want you to turn that frown upside down in
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the Yankees. Wait wait, wait, you bury the lead.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
You're hanging out with Michael Jordan last night, A big
god on the sideline of the Clemson game. Oh good stuff, coward, Yeah, listen, Yankees,
tough loss, We move on. We'll bear win ninety games.
Right back in the thicket thing.
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Speaker 3 (13:55):
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Speaker 1 (13:55):
They won ninety six games. The Phillies are really good,
second best in baseball. Bryce Harper, He's gonna be a
Hall of Famer. Kyle Schwarber, who is just money, great
power hitter, always good in the playoffs. And then Trey Turner,
excellent starting staff, top ten tm ERA. So they were
gonna bust out, and Kyle Schwarber took out his frustration.
Here's his home run over the pavilion. Watch and listen
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to this.
Speaker 8 (14:21):
He's from the right side. That ball's crushed deep to
right field. Hernandez doesn't even move. It is long gone.
It's off the roof for the pavilion in right field.
Kyle Schwarber his first postseason home run of the year.
It's his twenty second of his career, and with a
lightning strike, the Phillies tie it up at one.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, ball's reportedly somewhere in Pasadena. So in the first
two games, the Phillies, which have power, and they get
on base a lot of hits, batted two three. They
are much closer to what you watched last night. Schwarber,
big time hitter, delivers in the playoffs. Trade Turners your
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batting champ in the National League. Bryce Harper is Bryce Harper,
first ballot Hall of Famer. So the team you saw
last night from Philadelphia. That's closer to the team. And
tonight they've got their best picture a Christopher Sanchez, one
of the races is going.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
So we have ourselves a series.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
And the Dodgers also didn't get anything, you know, near
the top of the order between ta Oscar Hernandez and
Otani and Freddie Freeman, they went oh for twelve. That
can't happen. But when you watched that game last night,
the Phillies do that a lot to a lot of teams.
And you got a fifty plus home run guy in
a National League batting champ and a great team era
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and then Bryce Harper adds in a couple of hits.
That's what they look like all year. I thought Philadelphia
would win this series because I didn't think the eighth
inning last night is what I thought we would see
a lot of in this series, a little bit of
batting practice, the elite hitting, especially at the top of
the order against the Dodger So it's a real series.
Speaker 9 (16:02):
Now.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
You know, the Dodgers have more overall talent, but Philadelphia
can punish you in a lot of ways, and they
get good starting pitching. Bullpen can be susceptible you know,
welcome to the sport outside of a few teams like Milwaukee.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
But uh, I think we have a series.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
And Kyle sch Forber hit a couple of them and
that's what he does.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
No, no, this is the herdline news.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Let's get started, Colin. With the Cubs exploding for four
in the first inning in Game three yesterday against the
Brewers that were able to hold on for a four
to three win to extend the NLDS, this is kind
of mind boggling. The four runs brookes Chicago's thirteen game
playoff streak with three runs or fewer scored set's futility.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Well, listen, Milwaukee got loaded the bases in like the
eighth innings, so you can Milwaukee's a better scene and
you can say all you want about this, but Milwaukee
almost won this puppy, despite falling into a four to
nothing hole. So Milwaukee led the National League. And hits
they get on base, they can hit for average contact.
So Milwaukee puts a ton of pressure on Chicago. There's
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always it feels like runners on basin in scoring position.
So I did this feels like it feels like the
Toronto series with the Yankees. When you put that many
people on base, somebody's gonna deliver for the Blue Jays,
And I think Milwaukee's one of those teams. Is they
just they put so much pressure on your pitching staff
and your manager that eventually the Dyke breaks. They loaded
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him in the eighth inning. The Cubs hold on. But
this feels like we're looking at a much better Milwaukee
team top to bottom.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
The Cubs manager Craig Council joked he was gonna tell
his team every inning was the first inning for Game four.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Yeah, so overall, I mean, you like the Brewers, sil
I think they're gonna win the World Series. I think
Toronto's really good. I think the Mariners gonna be interesting.
But if you start looking the Cubs outside of the
first inning, they're not doing They're not putting anybody on base,
and Milwaukee is.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Let's move on to the Philadelphia Eagles, Colin. They got
the Giants tonight in Thursday Night Football. The offense off
to a slow start for sure, and not to Saquon
Barkley A J. Brown, both of them really on the
struggle bus. Saquon was asked about the offensive struggles take
a listen.
Speaker 9 (18:28):
So Tom just doesn't hit off right away. I know
hasn't shown, you know, make consistent a way throughout the
first five games. But there's been sparks. It's been half
where we look untouchable, but there's been half when we.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Looked really bad.
Speaker 9 (18:42):
So we've got to find a way to be more
consistent in that area.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
And that started out with.
Speaker 9 (18:48):
Our details being more detailed to make sure we are
on the same dage and make any playwork.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
You know, you think to yourself, Okay, the Eagles are
gonna role but is in New York. Philadelphia has horrible,
horrible offensive halves, and the Giants are off an embarrassing
loss to the Saints. So the truth is it'll probably
be an ugly, low scoring game and the Eagles will win.
Say you look at this is not college. You look
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at these games and go, oh, seven points. First of
all their division rivals, so they know each other's personnel.
Brian Dabols face the Eagles multiple times. It hasn't done
a lot against he hasn't done a lot against him.
But Jackson Dart's just a new player, and there's a
little bit, you know, kind.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Of a new vibe.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
What was shocking last week, and this is virtually impossible
to do. The Giants had a turnover on five straight possessions.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Well rookie quarterback, you know. And it was against the Saints,
which is even worse. So one of the things I
looked at last week that helped me with the five
and one in headlines was how quarterbacks have fared against
zone or man. The Giants are playing a lot of
man defense. Well, guess who eats up man? Aj Brown?
So I know that Aj Brown. They had the c
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your meeting this week. I would not be surprised if
he had like eight for a buck fifteen tonight against
the Giants. I think the Eagles role tonight low scoring.
You're probably onto something. I'm Dual Carter. We don't know
if he's.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Gonna play or not.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
The young guy out of Penn State for the Giants.
We'll see about that. No, Landon Dickerson interior linemen for
the Eagles. But I think we both like Eagles. But
you're not touching the spread. I'm not touching it.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I mean, if it ended up being twenty four or
seventeen and Philadelphia was clearly better, would you be shocked?
Speaker 4 (20:29):
No, that it seems about right. Get out of there,
no injuries, get right. Yeah, our final story Colin Green
Bay Packers. Their offense is averaging twenty six points a game,
tops in the league in third down efficiency, But Jordan
Love told the media recently he still thinks there's room
to grow. He put it to his own mistakes. He
had the stripsack against Dallas. He had that bad interception
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against the Browns.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I don't know, when you think about Jordan Love, I
think it's interesting that there's so many skeptics on Jordan Love.
If you go back to week ten of last year
to today, his numbers are unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Why is everybody doubting it works? It works? He's good.
He's very good.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Okay, so that's fine, very good. Has he been a
top ten quarterback in the league this season? I don't think.
I mean, there's Sam Donald playing way better than again
Dak Presty.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
He doesn't, Man, that's just a construct top ten quarterback.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
He's been very good. He's been good enough to get.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
You to a super Bowl. Go back to week ten
of last year. I think it's week ten or week twelve,
and you look at his numbers until today, he's an
a quarterback, he may be a minus. He can be
you know, he's one of these guys that he's got
a little bit of a Sam Darnold Baker thing, like
he's gonna let it rip and he's not gonna lose
any sleep if he throws an interception. He's not going
to be protective or safe and so you know, but
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I think about this, if you are anywhere B plus
plus to a minus, you mostly got your quarterback, and
I think I don't think you can even dispute it.
He is somewhere in that space. I would say he's
not quite the elite five, but he's very close to
the rest.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
He's he's very good. The problem is, when you're in
the NFC playoffs, you're gonna be going up against Jalen Hurts,
Matthew Stafford, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnald. I trust those guys
in a big spot. I don't know that I'm there yet.
Matt Stafford gets hurt a lot. The Rams running backs
have ball security issues. Sam Darnold where his playoff wins,
and I like him too. I've got a veteran coach,
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I've got unbelievable weapons. Finally, an edge pass Rush. If
Green Bay, if I had to bet somebody in the
NFC Championship today, if I had to bet Green Bays
as good as bet as that conference has. So they
got the Bengals, Oh yeah, their schedule.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Let's start looking at their schedule.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Favored by fourteen?
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Now I know one is their schedule going forward?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Have you seen it?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I think it's favorable. You know, you got a lot
of giants.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
I think it's favor Jack Browning this weekend, I'm sorry,
Joe Flacco this weekend, which is even just let just for.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
The audience, let's name the quarterbacks, okay, going forward that
they're gonna play Flacco, Kyliner Murray, forty one year old,
Aaron Rodgers, Bryce Young, Jalen Hirst in a massively struggling offense,
Jackson Dart whoever Minnesota starts. That's a six to seven
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game sled of w's green Bay is. By the way,
green Bay opened pretty interesting team Dallas, which is really
good offensively. Detroit's got great personnel.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
So it's like to know, Baltimore late week seventeen, are
they going to be playing for something?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
We don't just don't forget what Green Bay did to
Washington and Jaden Daniels. In Week two random off the field,
Washington just beat the Chargers.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
So the one big difference is getting that number one seed.
The Niners are four and one, They're gonna be healthy soon.
If Green Bay gets it, then forty nine ers have
to go to Lambeau, possibly from nfcit. That's huge versus
being at home out here in Sonny or foggy San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
J Mack with the News, Well, that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the herd Line News. So I
would term Baker Mayfield's relationship with me were frenemies, is
that if I saw him, I would be like, hey,
what are you doing? And he'd be like, hey, good,
how you doing? And then we go our separate way.
I think I like him more than he likes me.
(24:24):
But I've talked about him a lot. So at Baker Mayfield,
I swear he listens to our show yesterday or a
couple of days ago. He's talking about about you know,
the critics. Yeah, I wonder who that is. The critics
who say he's a little bit of a changed man.
Speaker 10 (24:42):
Sold you guys try and not get too high and
not get too low, which is something that I was
not doing early on in my career. But you know,
early on in my career, yeah, it's looked as cocky, immature.
Now it's moxy. He's a dog, same different days, just
as long as you play well. They changed the air,
but you just got to be yourself. And I've always
been like that.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
First of all, Baker Mayfield's too smart to not get
wiser as he ages. He's a wiser version of Baker. Now,
I do think, and I've said this multiple times, Baker's
mostly still Baker. He's a smarter version, a little wiser
because he's too smart not to be. We all grow
and get smarter. I mean, that's just the dumb guys
don't get smarter, still banging their head on the wall
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at forty five. Baker smart. And so the difference is
the environments. Cleveland is cold, impulsive, owner bitter because of
all the losing, and not really a supportive media. Tampa's
got a better infrastructure, better owners, great GM they're inviting.
Cleveland felt like they were poking them in the ribs.
Tampa feels like they open every door from him, office door,
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car door. They're just opening doors from Hugh Jackson a
little bit of ego to Todd Bowles, no ego, So
it doesn't feel like he's battling. He felt like he
was constantly under siege in battling. So I don't buy this.
It's like, I'll give you an example. People that are
fiery and intense. Take Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan's fire didn't
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work early or late. I mean, he scored a bunch
of points, but he didn't win a lot early Chicago, late, Washington.
You know where Michael won when he had the intellect
of Steve Kerr next to him, and then the zen Master,
the psychologist at Phil Jackson and kind of a chill
Robin Scottie Pippen, veterans, bj Armstrong, super smart Horace Grant.
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Michael scored a lot of points early and late, but
his intensity wore people out early and late. It wasn't
until he got the right supporting cast that he scored
and won games. Because Michael's intimidating and Michael's intense, and
that's the truth about people with big, fiery, confident personalities.
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Fit becomes essential. And Cleveland was kind of intimidated by it.
Didn't know what to do with it, and Tampa's like,
we're looking for a pirate. It's Ebor City, it's cocktails early.
They've always had talent, they don't have a medaling owner.
Tampa's a great fit. Tampa empowers his personality. It felt
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like Cleveland was intimidated by it and poked at it.
So Baker hasn't changed that much. He's changed a little bit.
He's too smart not to have changed. And he's always
going to have fire. That's his personality. I mean, I
thought it was great in Seattle, but he was talking.
He was talking trash to all these fans. That Baker's
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going to do that as a grandpa and his sons
and his grandkids, you know pee wee games. That's who
Baker is. That's his personality. He's an ass talker and
that's great. And after he won the game, he went
back to those people at talk trash. He put it
on his Instagram. That's who Baker is. But he's a
little wiser. And when you have that on of personality, support,
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support becomes the people around you. The surrounding environment becomes
incredibly important. So yesterday I said some apparently some of
you were deeply bothered by my assertion. It wasn't even
an assertion. It was just early facts that Jared Gof's
going to be a Hall of Famer. I mean, listen,
Jmax like, oh yeah, right, guys, I mean, I seriously
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buy your tickets to Canton.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
He's going to be in there pretty soon.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
I got many texts about this from from friends and
a couple of fans. Coward's out of his mind.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Okay, way too early, Okay, Okay, So I want to talk.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
There's a reason why your friends are wrong, and I'm
gonna support them and their ability to get right. Plus
Chip Kelly, Pete Carroll, hmm, interesting, is there a squabble
going on. We'll talk about that coming up.
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Speaker 1 (29:20):
There is nothing wrong with working at one company with
one boss and having great success. That's probably you know,
gives you, you know, a sense of security. But there
is something to be said about entrepreneurs that can start
five different businesses and work with multiple people and succeed
over and over and over. That's impressive, right, Like and
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I yesterday I said Jared Goff has had seven coordinators.
He's been really good with six of them. The first
was a disaster. The whole staff was. And I said,
Jared Goff's absolutely of a Hall of Famer guy is
still in his prime. Gough does not get hurt despite
his kind of tall and lanky frame. I would say
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he's got at least because his strength is throwing the football.
And quarterbacks can throw the football. Drew Bledsoe could grab
a football today and throw a thirty five yard out,
they lose their legs. So Jared Goff has got four
to five years of prime left because he throws. He's
like Steph Curry. Steph will be able to shoot when
he's fifty. He'll just lose his legs. Golf's a thrower
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and so but when I said this yesterday he's a
first ballot Hall of Famer, people just freaked out. So,
since twenty seventeen, eight years is a pretty big span
with seven coordinators, number one in the league in completions,
passing yards and big pass plays, number two in passing touchdowns,
and wins five playoff appearances, too conference championships. Again, he's
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still in his prime. But the two reasons why Pete,
I mean, it's so obvious. If he was a flashy player,
you'd all have him in the Hall of Fame. But
he's not. So there's this thing carry's kind of boring.
But if you think about why doesn't everybody get Jared Goff?
Number one is first impressions matter, and his first season
was brutal, zero ver seven. McVeigh wasn't there yet. He
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looked like a complete bust. He didn't know which direction
the sunset. Remember that you got to see it on
Hard Knocks, so you watch this disaster. First impressions are
really powerful. And the second reason you're all struggling with
it is Matt Stafford won a Super Bowl the first
year in LA. McVeigh punted on Goff. First impressions are
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really powerful. Matt Stafford's first year in LA, Jared goff
first year powerful moments. Let me remind you Goff was
a number one pick and Stafford was a number one pick, okay,
and people forget this. The Rams wanted to reboot at quarterback,
so did the Lions. Brad Holmes is the least talked
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about great personnel guy in the last ten years in
this league. He does not miss on his top picks
in the draft the GM. He does not miss on trades.
Brad Holmes is great. What was his first move to
move off Stafford and to go get Goff? So the
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big game hunting GM in Detroit, it's like, y'all take
Goff and the Rams will pay some of the salary.
He's turned those picks with GoF into home runs like
Jamior Gibbs. But I think people forget that. It's not linear.
Jeter Kobe Elway, that's storybook. That doesn't happen much one team,
all those memories, loyal forever Brady Belichick wanted about two
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years before he went to Tampa Montana ends with the Chiefs,
Peyton Manning, ends with Denver Lebron's had three separate moves.
That's typical Jeter, Kobe and Lway's story book.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
That stuff doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Michael Jordan is early teammates and coaches didn't like him
and they couldn't stand in Washington, he got Phil. It
all worked. So here's the other thing to remember that
Goff went to a total rebuild in Detroit and Stafford
went to McVeigh Andrew Whitworth, Cooper Copp.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Von Miller.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yet since the trade, look at the numbers between Golf
and Stafford, and I love Stafford. Goff's better at everything,
wins yards, touchdowns, fewer picks, passer rating, and that includes
the rebuild years in Detroit. Stafford took over baked ready
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to pull out of the oven and consume, and Golf's
numbers are still better.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
And we think the Rams know what they're doing. So
the Rams were better.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Initially had kind of a quasi one year rebuild hit
on a bunch of defensive draft picks. Now Stafford's had
the better defense, I would say on average, Golf's had
to me. I mean, they both had great receivers omor
On Saint Brown, Puka, Cooper Cupp, now Devonte Adams. They
both had good skilled people, both have good running backs.
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But if you look at the numbers since the trade,
and that includes Golf having him go through a two
year rebuild, Golf's numbers are better across the board, so
but I think it just first impressions are incredibly powerful,
and that first year oh and seven, and it was
on hard knocks, and then the Rams punt golf, and
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then Stafford comes in and win. People just they can't
like put.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Their arms around it.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
If Jared Goff had a little wiggle in his step,
if he moved, I'm not saying like Lamar Jackson or
Kyler Murray, but if he moved like even bo Nicks,
everybody would be like, oh, that's a Hall of Famer.
Goff is the last pure pocket guy we have drafted.
Is a number one pick. It's interesting how it works.
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I mean, Caleb Williams, I think it's fair to say,
has struggled with basic operations with the Bears, and people
are like they always lean to the positive. I like
what I see. It is getting very interesting. Gof's not
as much fun to watch. The guy is second and
wins first and everything else, and everybody's like, I just
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don't see it. I've said this about Russell Westbrook. Russell Westbrook,
you can't take your eyes off him. He's so hyper athletic,
but he is a guard that can't shoot right, like
like John Stockton kind of boring, could shoot and did
a lot of dirty work and it, but Stockton wasn't
as much fun to watch.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
So and that's just a lot of it.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Goff is still in his prime and and and because
he is not like an NBA shooter, he gonna age well.
Jared Goff's gonna age well. He's got a great GM.
They're always gonna have good players around him. Omar On
Saint Brown Prime, Finanzuel Prime. They just drafted interior lineman.
Two of them look really good. J Mack, what are
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your friends texting now? No?
Speaker 4 (36:17):
No, I didn't look at my phone. I was trying
to come up with a comp for GoF because you
think he's such a lock. So I think the best
I can come up with is Philip Rivers really really
good quarterback, great regular season numbers, longevity. I mean he
played seventeen seasons.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
How many conference championships?
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Yeah, no Super Bowl appearances, but he had a five
and seven playoff record. Golf is four and five currently,
so I mean golf is on track.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
But golf is having much more postseason success. I mean
four and five versus five and seven, So I mean
he's on jetting to conference championships. Yeah, okay, well that's
you know, it's like Andy Reid was great before Kansas City.
Do you think Rivers is a lock? No, I don't think.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Okay, So do you think golf like is that much
better than Philip Rivers?
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Like, it's not about who's better, it's about it a
lot of it's productivity. And if you go eight years
into Philip rivers career, did he have the most wins
in the league, did he have the most big plays
in the league. I mean, Philip was great. Now you'll
never argue, you know, I'll never bang on Philip Rivers.
I love Philip Rivers game. He wasn't very athletic, less
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athletic than golf actually, but at the end especially but
when when you start putting up these numbers, you.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Know, it's just it's a classic example.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
If you keep succeeding like anybody, I mean, let's be honest,
a lot of powerball winners either go broke or lose
a majority of the money. Some people do get like
a great hand in life. They get rich parents, their
trust fund kids. But to me, it's always been about
what do you do with it Like, what do you
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do if you, let's say tomorrow you win the power
Ball at LA, so you get about five of it?
Can you turn the five into twenty five? Most people can't.
I could they turned the five into one right or
less than that? So my point is, yeah, Jared Goff
got McVeigh and Andrew Whitworth. Okay, that was a great break,
and he got to a super Bowl and then he
got a great GM. But they were awful when he
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got there, and he keeps winning.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Yeah, that the best case for Goff as man. He
got kicked to the curb by McVeigh, right, that was harsh.
He went to a super Bowl and he didn't give
up or throwing the towel or stink. He kind of thrived.
And I think that's great. I just it's a to me,
it's a little reach to say Hall of Fame. I
definitely am a fan. I think he's been outstanding. He's
got a little work to do.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
I'll ask you this.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Detroit gets to a super Bowl, Jared Goff was still
five years of prime, will be to two super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
And it's Peggott. Yeah, I mean Russell Wilson only.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Got to Okay, but again, Russell's a prime example.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Yes, that's why I brought him up.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Let's go to back to the being of my argument.
Who did Russell succeed with kind of one group of players?
By the end, Pete wanted about Tom and want him out,
Peyton wanted him out, and Dabel's not interested. So Russell had,
like golf, this really good run. But did he succeed
with multiple people? And that's the start of this rant.
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But that's part of what makes Goff great is seven
coordinators and six he's crushed with.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
What hurts Russell Wilson is he struggled in Denver, did
not he butted heads with Peyton, struggled nice. Then he
was in Pittsburgh that you know, landed the year. Now
he's in the Giants. He's been benched before September was finished.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
So if you're close, like one of the arguments for
Philip Rivers, it actually helps him in this way. When
he was at his oldest and the least athletic quarterback
in the league and he was in Philip would at
first to admit it. He goes to Indianapolis, goes eleven
and five, goes to Buffalo for a playoff, game, and
they were in that thing.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Covered the spread.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I remember, so Philip rivers Old Philip got out of comfortable,
went to kind of rebuilding Indianapolis. The roster Indy had
that is not nearly as good as the roster now
for Daniel Jones. This roster now in Indy is legit
top ten, top seven roster that wasn't eleven and five.
Go to Buffalo toe to toe of Josh Allen, and
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I remember that game. You're like, this is a real
and that was when Buffalo was at the height of
their powers. So how you end when your borderline matters?
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Gof's gonna age really well.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
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Here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It is a Thursday, and once again best time of
the year in sports. There is a ton to talk about,
ascending teams, seasons, ending seasons.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
On the brink.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
One hour from now, Greg Cosell stops by best fifteen
minutes of football talk all week, arguably on this show
or any show. It's Greg Cosel Jmax. A team from Canada.
Oh Canada has eliminated your New York Yankees, and it
was in fairly dominating fast.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
And I know it's painful to one and then to
the error, you know, like, come on, let's close.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I don't know doubt it. Let's have a harsh talk this.
I'll be a therapist for the New York Yankees. Let's
all sit down, take a deep breath and admit, the
Yankees just aren't that good. They're good, They're not that good.
Think about this. I looked it up this morning. If
you take out the American League Central in the playoffs
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since two thousand and nine, the last World Series, the
Yankees are three and ten against every other division in
the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Three and ten.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, they're great against the middling payroll American League Central
since that time, eight and two. Aaron Judge is great.
Garrett Cole and Max Freed if they're healthy. What a
one to two punch. I like Jazz Chisholm. I like him,
don't love him. But they just got out hit by
Toronto fifty hits to thirty four. And the Jays are
the better fielding team. They strike out less, they get
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more hits, more contact hitters, they create more action.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
The Yankees feel like an unbalanced diet, too much protein,
not enough green, like all those weirdos on TikTok selling
you and lecturing you on the carnivore diet. Hey Champ
mixing a carrot. The Yankees are completely beholden. This team
is once Carrett Garrett Cole got hurt to home runs. Yeah,
Garrett Stanton had seven last year in the playoffs. This
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year had none. It's a totally unbalanced baseball team. And
Aaron Judges great, But last year was all on Garrett Cole.
When you took Garrett Cole out against the Dodgers, they
looked like one of those American League Central teams against
the Dodgers. This year it's all on Aaron Judge because
you don't have coal. And it's I mean again, you
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needed Stanton and Judge to both be great. Aaron was
John Carlos Stanton, where's the deep ball? So I mean,
I if you want to talk about balance, and you
can hit home runs and pay a lot of money
and have balance. The Dodgers last year O Tawny had
a historic regular season, carried the Dodgers and then Tommy
Edmund Nationallygue Championship Series, MVP and the World Series. It
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was Freddie Freeman. That's balance. Yankees have none. It's just
completely unbalanced. And here's the other thing, this is probably
the last run with these guys. It should be I mean,
Aaron Judge next year is going to be thirty four
in the season, Stanton's going to be thirty five. Garrett
Cole's going to be thirty five off an injury, So
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they need to get younger, they need to get more athletic,
and they need to turn radio off. I mean, it's
not a coincidence that Seattle and Milwaukee and a lot
of these medium markets are really good right now. They
don't react to the noise outside the building. I mean,
you take out since they last won a World Series
in two thousand and nine. They do not beat top
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tier franchises. They beat the American League Central in the
playoffs eight and two. They're great against the Central, but
those teams don't have any money. The Dodgers spend it,
but spend it smarter. The Cubs are spending it smarter.
They're just running into Milwaukee. So it's a little bit
like the Pittsburgh Steelers. The brand is big, they do
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a lot of things well, they draft pretty well. But
you know the Steelers, when do they beat elite quarterbacks
in the playoffs? They don't. Ten years they don't. When
do the Yankees beat good franchises in the playoffs? They're
all and four against the Astros. Astros just fell apart
this year physically, But again, who are you beating? Like
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the Dodgers have their hands full with the Phillies. The
Phillies are great. My guess is the Dodgers probably figure
out a way to win one of the next two games.
But the Phillies are great, and the Dodgers are great,
and Milwaukee is really really good. Toronto's excellent. They do
a lot of things. Well, what do the Yankees do well?
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I mean this is this is Aaron Judge on this.
Their stars are old Garrett Cole Stanton Aaron Judge, I mean,
you gotta start moving some pieces, do you not.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Here's Aaron after nothing.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Once again, it comes down to the little things. Making
the little plays come with the big hit. If you
don't do that, give team duckture outs. You know they're
going to capitalize on it. For us, we gotta we
gotta clean a couple of things up and we'll be
right back here.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
The other thing is this is it's like an annual tradition.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
It is so predictable.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Is that you know, the Giants and the Jets and
the Nicks and the Nets and the Mets, they're always
just moving pieces left and right, and fire and gms
and firing coaches and the knock in New York as
they're too patient. Brian Cashman need to relieve him. Why
don't they have more good players? Well, analytics and baseball
the guys upstairs are making a lot of the calls,
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So let's blame the manager. But the truth is, Aaron
Boone I don't know how much power he has. I mean,
I'm listening to Derek Jeter after that loss last night
talk about the current state of the New York Yankees
and Aaron Boone, and I think there is a lot
of truth. And what Derek Jeter said.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
What's tough is for the Yankee fans, right, this is
the second year in a row that they've watched another
team celebrate on their home field, and you can.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Feel the frustration. Aaron did a good job.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
I mean, look, he's working with what he has to
work with, and he sticks up for his players. I
know he takes a lot of heat, but look, I'm
not saying it from any inside knowledge, but I'm pretty
sure Aaron's not the one that's calling every move that
they make throughout the game.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Go look at the salaries of major League baseball managers.
They make about half of what a college football coach makes.
There's a reason they've been marginalized. They don't matter, right,
so they have to be pro play to keep their jobs.
You don't want to disrupt the locker room. Players have
never made more money three four five hundred million, So
you can blame Aaron Boone. But I look at this
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team and I just see an unbalanced diet, not enough greens,
home run dependent last year, Garrett Cole dependent. The truth
is when Garrett Cole got hurt before the season. I
think we talked about it on the show. You're not
a World Series team, but it's more than that. It's
the average base running. They're not athletic enough. They're not
a great fielding team. They don't sacrifice, they strike out
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too much. Let's be honest, Toronto dominated them. The Toronto
Blue Jays weren't just better than the Yankees. They are
a lot better than the Yankees. They don't strike out
as much, more contact guys, they get on base more,
and their pitching was better.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
All right.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
So there's a couple of stories on Bill Belichick yesterday
after our show. One story says, and there are those
disputing it, is that North Carolina and Belichick are already
working on a buyout. So the person who's stating that
isn't a big name, doesn't work at a big company.
I don't know how realistic it is, but I thought
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about this yesterday when I heard it. If I said
give me four or five words that explain the NFL,
you'd say shield corporate, professional business, kind of cutthroat. If
I said five or six words that explain college football, pageantry, bands, alumni, donors, fun,
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which one does it sound like Bill Belichick would fit in.
I thought this from the beginning. I thought it was
a bit of a money grab. He showed no interest
in college football none none. I mean, look at his
draft the last seven years in New England. He clearly
doesn't watch the sport until he has to at the
Senior Bowl.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
But he's a new year.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Job, bottom line guy, and that's what not College football's
not college football. When you win, sometimes you got to
dance with the players. It's not about culture. Sometimes you
got to dance with the players. You can look at
Nick say and go oh, he's harsh. Nick Saban's charming
and can be funny. You watch him on television. Nick's great,
he's funny, he's charming, he's a great storyteller. I mean
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the whole thing is felt weird, Like the Jordan Hudson
relationship doesn't bother me. To each their own, but I
mean she's kind of the age of some of the players.
Maybe to parents administrators, there's an ick factor and recently
Carolina had a buy. Bill goes to Nantucket with his girlfriend.
(09:30):
That's not what Dan Lanning's doing. He's on the phone
to recruits. Nick Saban the day after winning a national
championship is on the recruiting trail. So you've got to
be totally committed to college football. And it's a different vibe, totally.
Sometimes you got to dance with the players. And Mike Lombardi,
the GM is again, he's not your warm uncle. You know,
that's just not his personality. And that's okay. Bill's a
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pro guy, Mike's a pro guy. That's who they are.
So I think a lot of times I talk about
this all the time. Fit happens right and fit matters,
and you know, he comes out with a book and
chapel Bill and Bill had bills. The NFL said no thanks,
and Bill's got bills to pay. He's got the Florida house,
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the Nantucket plays, the boats and the lifestyle and he
not flying Southwest Airlines. And Bill's like, I'll take it.
But from the very beginning I was suspicious about the buyout.
Didn't you guys think that was crazy? Bill and his
agent negotiated a very very small buyout, meaning if Bill
got a job within a year, he could leave buyouts nothing.
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So I don't know which story is true. It's not
going well, it's going sideways. It's circling the drain. But
to be great in college football, it's a lot of things,
and it's sometimes it is connective tissue with players and parents.
And I said, when Bill got this job, I said,
do you really think Bill's going to be going to
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volleyball matches cheering on that? Well, that's what you got
to do in college. Sometimes you gotta go watch the
softball team and go drop by the volleyball coach's office
and call and deal with parents and say hi to
the administrators. Let's go grab a cocktail tonight. That's part
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of college football. College football is more fun than the NFL.
The NFL is just better, better coaching, more professional, better
quarterback play. It's professional sports, which is always better than
college sports. And you know, it's just run better big cities,
big brands, a lot of money. But college football is awesome.
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But it's a bit more joyful and fun to those
two words sound like Bill Belichick. So we'll keep you
updated on that story. Some are disputing that the buyouts happening.
I don't have any insight in North Carolina football. I
was actually at a place last night. I'm not going
to give you the specifics, but first person I saw
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is a big, big Carolina I would just say supporter
as a business person. I know, very sharp, former player,
and he was on the field against Clemson. I said
what it was it like? He said, we were beat
before that thing started. No energy, no juice. College football
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is about running out of the tunnel.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Miami.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
The smoke's coming out, the fight song, the Rock and
Clemson and coming out of the tunnel is a big
deal in college football. No juice, no energy, and at
this point, no shot in Carolina for Belichick. So Jay Mac,
I want you to turn that frown upside down in
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the Yankees. Wait wait, wait, you bury the lead.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
You're hanging out with Michael Jordan last night, A big
god on the sideline of the Clemson game. Oh good stuff, coward, Yeah, listen, Yankees,
tough loss, We move on. We'll bear win ninety games.
Right back in the thicket thing.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Hope le'll matchup with the Twins. That's about your speed.
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Are the Guardians, you know.
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You are now entering the No Bull Zone sponsored by
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Stadium hammered the Dodgers last night.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
They won ninety six games. The Phillies are really good,
second best in baseball. Bryce Harper, He's gonna be a
Hall of Famer. Kyle Schwarber, who is just money, great
power hitter, always good in the playoffs. And then Trey Turner,
excellent starting staff, top ten tm ERA. So they were
gonna bust out, and Kyle Schwarber took out his frustration.
Here's his home run over the pavilion. Watch and listen
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to this.
Speaker 8 (14:21):
He's from the right side. That ball's crushed deep to
right field. Hernandez doesn't even move. It is long gone.
It's off the roof for the pavilion in right field.
Kyle Schwarber his first postseason home run of the year.
It's his twenty second of his career, and with a
lightning strike, the Phillies tie it up at one.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, ball's reportedly somewhere in Pasadena. So in the first
two games, the Phillies, which have power, and they get
on base a lot of hits, batted two three. They
are much closer to what you watched last night. Schwarber,
big time hitter, delivers in the playoffs. Trade Turners your
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batting champ in the National League. Bryce Harper is Bryce Harper,
first ballot Hall of Famer. So the team you saw
last night from Philadelphia. That's closer to the team. And
tonight they've got their best picture a Christopher Sanchez, one
of the races is going.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
So we have ourselves a series.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
And the Dodgers also didn't get anything, you know, near
the top of the order between ta Oscar Hernandez and
Otani and Freddie Freeman, they went oh for twelve. That
can't happen. But when you watched that game last night,
the Phillies do that a lot to a lot of teams.
And you got a fifty plus home run guy in
a National League batting champ and a great team era
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and then Bryce Harper adds in a couple of hits.
That's what they look like all year. I thought Philadelphia
would win this series because I didn't think the eighth
inning last night is what I thought we would see
a lot of in this series, a little bit of
batting practice, the elite hitting, especially at the top of
the order against the Dodger So it's a real series.
Speaker 9 (16:02):
Now.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
You know, the Dodgers have more overall talent, but Philadelphia
can punish you in a lot of ways, and they
get good starting pitching. Bullpen can be susceptible you know,
welcome to the sport outside of a few teams like Milwaukee.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
But uh, I think we have a series.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
And Kyle sch Forber hit a couple of them and
that's what he does.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
No, no, this is the herdline news.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Let's get started, Colin. With the Cubs exploding for four
in the first inning in Game three yesterday against the
Brewers that were able to hold on for a four
to three win to extend the NLDS, this is kind
of mind boggling. The four runs brookes Chicago's thirteen game
playoff streak with three runs or fewer scored set's futility.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Well, listen, Milwaukee got loaded the bases in like the
eighth innings, so you can Milwaukee's a better scene and
you can say all you want about this, but Milwaukee
almost won this puppy, despite falling into a four to
nothing hole. So Milwaukee led the National League. And hits
they get on base, they can hit for average contact.
So Milwaukee puts a ton of pressure on Chicago. There's
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always it feels like runners on basin in scoring position.
So I did this feels like it feels like the
Toronto series with the Yankees. When you put that many
people on base, somebody's gonna deliver for the Blue Jays,
And I think Milwaukee's one of those teams. Is they
just they put so much pressure on your pitching staff
and your manager that eventually the Dyke breaks. They loaded
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him in the eighth inning. The Cubs hold on. But
this feels like we're looking at a much better Milwaukee
team top to bottom.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
The Cubs manager Craig Council joked he was gonna tell
his team every inning was the first inning for Game four.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Yeah, so overall, I mean, you like the Brewers, sil
I think they're gonna win the World Series. I think
Toronto's really good. I think the Mariners gonna be interesting.
But if you start looking the Cubs outside of the
first inning, they're not doing They're not putting anybody on base,
and Milwaukee is.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Let's move on to the Philadelphia Eagles, Colin. They got
the Giants tonight in Thursday Night Football. The offense off
to a slow start for sure, and not to Saquon
Barkley A J. Brown, both of them really on the
struggle bus. Saquon was asked about the offensive struggles take
a listen.
Speaker 9 (18:28):
So Tom just doesn't hit off right away. I know
hasn't shown, you know, make consistent a way throughout the
first five games. But there's been sparks. It's been half
where we look untouchable, but there's been half when we.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Looked really bad.
Speaker 9 (18:42):
So we've got to find a way to be more
consistent in that area.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
And that started out with.
Speaker 9 (18:48):
Our details being more detailed to make sure we are
on the same dage and make any playwork.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
You know, you think to yourself, Okay, the Eagles are
gonna role but is in New York. Philadelphia has horrible,
horrible offensive halves, and the Giants are off an embarrassing
loss to the Saints. So the truth is it'll probably
be an ugly, low scoring game and the Eagles will win.
Say you look at this is not college. You look
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at these games and go, oh, seven points. First of
all their division rivals, so they know each other's personnel.
Brian Dabols face the Eagles multiple times. It hasn't done
a lot against he hasn't done a lot against him.
But Jackson Dart's just a new player, and there's a
little bit, you know, kind.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Of a new vibe.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
What was shocking last week, and this is virtually impossible
to do. The Giants had a turnover on five straight possessions.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Well rookie quarterback, you know. And it was against the Saints,
which is even worse. So one of the things I
looked at last week that helped me with the five
and one in headlines was how quarterbacks have fared against
zone or man. The Giants are playing a lot of
man defense. Well, guess who eats up man? Aj Brown?
So I know that Aj Brown. They had the c
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your meeting this week. I would not be surprised if
he had like eight for a buck fifteen tonight against
the Giants. I think the Eagles role tonight low scoring.
You're probably onto something. I'm Dual Carter. We don't know
if he's.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Gonna play or not.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
The young guy out of Penn State for the Giants.
We'll see about that. No, Landon Dickerson interior linemen for
the Eagles. But I think we both like Eagles. But
you're not touching the spread. I'm not touching it.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I mean, if it ended up being twenty four or
seventeen and Philadelphia was clearly better, would you be shocked?
Speaker 4 (20:29):
No, that it seems about right. Get out of there,
no injuries, get right. Yeah, our final story Colin Green
Bay Packers. Their offense is averaging twenty six points a game,
tops in the league in third down efficiency, But Jordan
Love told the media recently he still thinks there's room
to grow. He put it to his own mistakes. He
had the stripsack against Dallas. He had that bad interception
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against the Browns.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I don't know, when you think about Jordan Love, I
think it's interesting that there's so many skeptics on Jordan Love.
If you go back to week ten of last year
to today, his numbers are unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Why is everybody doubting it works? It works? He's good.
He's very good.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Okay, so that's fine, very good. Has he been a
top ten quarterback in the league this season? I don't think.
I mean, there's Sam Donald playing way better than again
Dak Presty.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
He doesn't, Man, that's just a construct top ten quarterback.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
He's been very good. He's been good enough to get.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
You to a super Bowl. Go back to week ten
of last year. I think it's week ten or week twelve,
and you look at his numbers until today, he's an
a quarterback, he may be a minus. He can be
you know, he's one of these guys that he's got
a little bit of a Sam Darnold Baker thing, like
he's gonna let it rip and he's not gonna lose
any sleep if he throws an interception. He's not going
to be protective or safe and so you know, but
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I think about this, if you are anywhere B plus
plus to a minus, you mostly got your quarterback, and
I think I don't think you can even dispute it.
He is somewhere in that space. I would say he's
not quite the elite five, but he's very close to
the rest.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
He's he's very good. The problem is, when you're in
the NFC playoffs, you're gonna be going up against Jalen Hurts,
Matthew Stafford, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnald. I trust those guys
in a big spot. I don't know that I'm there yet.
Matt Stafford gets hurt a lot. The Rams running backs
have ball security issues. Sam Darnold where his playoff wins,
and I like him too. I've got a veteran coach,
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I've got unbelievable weapons. Finally, an edge pass Rush. If
Green Bay, if I had to bet somebody in the
NFC Championship today, if I had to bet Green Bays
as good as bet as that conference has. So they
got the Bengals, Oh yeah, their schedule.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Let's start looking at their schedule.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Favored by fourteen?
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Now I know one is their schedule going forward?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Have you seen it?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I think it's favorable. You know, you got a lot
of giants.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
I think it's favor Jack Browning this weekend, I'm sorry,
Joe Flacco this weekend, which is even just let just for.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
The audience, let's name the quarterbacks, okay, going forward that
they're gonna play Flacco, Kyliner Murray, forty one year old,
Aaron Rodgers, Bryce Young, Jalen Hirst in a massively struggling offense,
Jackson Dart whoever Minnesota starts. That's a six to seven
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game sled of w's green Bay is. By the way,
green Bay opened pretty interesting team Dallas, which is really
good offensively. Detroit's got great personnel.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
So it's like to know, Baltimore late week seventeen, are
they going to be playing for something?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
We don't just don't forget what Green Bay did to
Washington and Jaden Daniels. In Week two random off the field,
Washington just beat the Chargers.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
So the one big difference is getting that number one seed.
The Niners are four and one, They're gonna be healthy soon.
If Green Bay gets it, then forty nine ers have
to go to Lambeau, possibly from nfcit. That's huge versus
being at home out here in Sonny or foggy San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
J Mack with the News, Well, that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the herd Line News. So I
would term Baker Mayfield's relationship with me were frenemies, is
that if I saw him, I would be like, hey,
what are you doing? And he'd be like, hey, good,
how you doing? And then we go our separate way.
I think I like him more than he likes me.
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But I've talked about him a lot. So at Baker Mayfield,
I swear he listens to our show yesterday or a
couple of days ago. He's talking about about you know,
the critics. Yeah, I wonder who that is. The critics
who say he's a little bit of a changed man.
Speaker 10 (24:42):
Sold you guys try and not get too high and
not get too low, which is something that I was
not doing early on in my career. But you know,
early on in my career, yeah, it's looked as cocky, immature.
Now it's moxy. He's a dog, same different days, just
as long as you play well. They changed the air,
but you just got to be yourself. And I've always
been like that.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
First of all, Baker Mayfield's too smart to not get
wiser as he ages. He's a wiser version of Baker. Now,
I do think, and I've said this multiple times, Baker's
mostly still Baker. He's a smarter version, a little wiser
because he's too smart not to be. We all grow
and get smarter. I mean, that's just the dumb guys
don't get smarter, still banging their head on the wall
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at forty five. Baker smart. And so the difference is
the environments. Cleveland is cold, impulsive, owner bitter because of
all the losing, and not really a supportive media. Tampa's
got a better infrastructure, better owners, great GM they're inviting.
Cleveland felt like they were poking them in the ribs.
Tampa feels like they open every door from him, office door,
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car door. They're just opening doors from Hugh Jackson a
little bit of ego to Todd Bowles, no ego, So
it doesn't feel like he's battling. He felt like he
was constantly under siege in battling. So I don't buy this.
It's like, I'll give you an example. People that are
fiery and intense. Take Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan's fire didn't
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work early or late. I mean, he scored a bunch
of points, but he didn't win a lot early Chicago, late, Washington.
You know where Michael won when he had the intellect
of Steve Kerr next to him, and then the zen Master,
the psychologist at Phil Jackson and kind of a chill
Robin Scottie Pippen, veterans, bj Armstrong, super smart Horace Grant.
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Michael scored a lot of points early and late, but
his intensity wore people out early and late. It wasn't
until he got the right supporting cast that he scored
and won games. Because Michael's intimidating and Michael's intense, and
that's the truth about people with big, fiery, confident personalities.
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Fit becomes essential. And Cleveland was kind of intimidated by it.
Didn't know what to do with it, and Tampa's like,
we're looking for a pirate. It's Ebor City, it's cocktails early.
They've always had talent, they don't have a medaling owner.
Tampa's a great fit. Tampa empowers his personality. It felt
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like Cleveland was intimidated by it and poked at it.
So Baker hasn't changed that much. He's changed a little bit.
He's too smart not to have changed. And he's always
going to have fire. That's his personality. I mean, I
thought it was great in Seattle, but he was talking.
He was talking trash to all these fans. That Baker's
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going to do that as a grandpa and his sons
and his grandkids, you know pee wee games. That's who
Baker is. That's his personality. He's an ass talker and
that's great. And after he won the game, he went
back to those people at talk trash. He put it
on his Instagram. That's who Baker is. But he's a
little wiser. And when you have that on of personality, support,
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support becomes the people around you. The surrounding environment becomes
incredibly important. So yesterday I said some apparently some of
you were deeply bothered by my assertion. It wasn't even
an assertion. It was just early facts that Jared Gof's
going to be a Hall of Famer. I mean, listen,
Jmax like, oh yeah, right, guys, I mean, I seriously
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buy your tickets to Canton.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
He's going to be in there pretty soon.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
I got many texts about this from from friends and
a couple of fans. Coward's out of his mind.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Okay, way too early, Okay, Okay, So I want to talk.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
There's a reason why your friends are wrong, and I'm
gonna support them and their ability to get right. Plus
Chip Kelly, Pete Carroll, hmm, interesting, is there a squabble
going on. We'll talk about that coming up.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
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Speaker 1 (29:20):
There is nothing wrong with working at one company with
one boss and having great success. That's probably you know,
gives you, you know, a sense of security. But there
is something to be said about entrepreneurs that can start
five different businesses and work with multiple people and succeed
over and over and over. That's impressive, right, Like and
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I yesterday I said Jared Goff has had seven coordinators.
He's been really good with six of them. The first
was a disaster. The whole staff was. And I said,
Jared Goff's absolutely of a Hall of Famer guy is
still in his prime. Gough does not get hurt despite
his kind of tall and lanky frame. I would say
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he's got at least because his strength is throwing the football.
And quarterbacks can throw the football. Drew Bledsoe could grab
a football today and throw a thirty five yard out,
they lose their legs. So Jared Goff has got four
to five years of prime left because he throws. He's
like Steph Curry. Steph will be able to shoot when
he's fifty. He'll just lose his legs. Golf's a thrower
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and so but when I said this yesterday he's a
first ballot Hall of Famer, people just freaked out. So,
since twenty seventeen, eight years is a pretty big span
with seven coordinators, number one in the league in completions,
passing yards and big pass plays, number two in passing touchdowns,
and wins five playoff appearances, too conference championships. Again, he's
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still in his prime. But the two reasons why Pete,
I mean, it's so obvious. If he was a flashy player,
you'd all have him in the Hall of Fame. But
he's not. So there's this thing carry's kind of boring.
But if you think about why doesn't everybody get Jared Goff?
Number one is first impressions matter, and his first season
was brutal, zero ver seven. McVeigh wasn't there yet. He
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looked like a complete bust. He didn't know which direction
the sunset. Remember that you got to see it on
Hard Knocks, so you watch this disaster. First impressions are
really powerful. And the second reason you're all struggling with
it is Matt Stafford won a Super Bowl the first
year in LA. McVeigh punted on Goff. First impressions are
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really powerful. Matt Stafford's first year in LA, Jared goff
first year powerful moments. Let me remind you Goff was
a number one pick and Stafford was a number one pick, okay,
and people forget this. The Rams wanted to reboot at quarterback,
so did the Lions. Brad Holmes is the least talked
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about great personnel guy in the last ten years in
this league. He does not miss on his top picks
in the draft the GM. He does not miss on trades.
Brad Holmes is great. What was his first move to
move off Stafford and to go get Goff? So the
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big game hunting GM in Detroit, it's like, y'all take
Goff and the Rams will pay some of the salary.
He's turned those picks with GoF into home runs like
Jamior Gibbs. But I think people forget that. It's not linear.
Jeter Kobe Elway, that's storybook. That doesn't happen much one team,
all those memories, loyal forever Brady Belichick wanted about two
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years before he went to Tampa Montana ends with the Chiefs,
Peyton Manning, ends with Denver Lebron's had three separate moves.
That's typical Jeter, Kobe and Lway's story book.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
That stuff doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Michael Jordan is early teammates and coaches didn't like him
and they couldn't stand in Washington, he got Phil. It
all worked. So here's the other thing to remember that
Goff went to a total rebuild in Detroit and Stafford
went to McVeigh Andrew Whitworth, Cooper Copp.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Von Miller.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yet since the trade, look at the numbers between Golf
and Stafford, and I love Stafford. Goff's better at everything,
wins yards, touchdowns, fewer picks, passer rating, and that includes
the rebuild years in Detroit. Stafford took over baked ready
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to pull out of the oven and consume, and Golf's
numbers are still better.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
And we think the Rams know what they're doing. So
the Rams were better.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Initially had kind of a quasi one year rebuild hit
on a bunch of defensive draft picks. Now Stafford's had
the better defense, I would say on average, Golf's had
to me. I mean, they both had great receivers omor
On Saint Brown, Puka, Cooper Cupp, now Devonte Adams. They
both had good skilled people, both have good running backs.
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But if you look at the numbers since the trade,
and that includes Golf having him go through a two
year rebuild, Golf's numbers are better across the board, so
but I think it just first impressions are incredibly powerful,
and that first year oh and seven, and it was
on hard knocks, and then the Rams punt golf, and
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then Stafford comes in and win. People just they can't
like put.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Their arms around it.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
If Jared Goff had a little wiggle in his step,
if he moved, I'm not saying like Lamar Jackson or
Kyler Murray, but if he moved like even bo Nicks,
everybody would be like, oh, that's a Hall of Famer.
Goff is the last pure pocket guy we have drafted.
Is a number one pick. It's interesting how it works.
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I mean, Caleb Williams, I think it's fair to say,
has struggled with basic operations with the Bears, and people
are like they always lean to the positive. I like
what I see. It is getting very interesting. Gof's not
as much fun to watch. The guy is second and
wins first and everything else, and everybody's like, I just
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don't see it. I've said this about Russell Westbrook. Russell Westbrook,
you can't take your eyes off him. He's so hyper athletic,
but he is a guard that can't shoot right, like
like John Stockton kind of boring, could shoot and did
a lot of dirty work and it, but Stockton wasn't
as much fun to watch.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
So and that's just a lot of it.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Goff is still in his prime and and and because
he is not like an NBA shooter, he gonna age well.
Jared Goff's gonna age well. He's got a great GM.
They're always gonna have good players around him. Omar On
Saint Brown Prime, Finanzuel Prime. They just drafted interior lineman.
Two of them look really good. J Mack, what are
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your friends texting now? No?
Speaker 4 (36:17):
No, I didn't look at my phone. I was trying
to come up with a comp for GoF because you
think he's such a lock. So I think the best
I can come up with is Philip Rivers really really
good quarterback, great regular season numbers, longevity. I mean he
played seventeen seasons.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
How many conference championships?
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Yeah, no Super Bowl appearances, but he had a five
and seven playoff record. Golf is four and five currently,
so I mean golf is on track.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
But golf is having much more postseason success. I mean
four and five versus five and seven, So I mean
he's on jetting to conference championships. Yeah, okay, well that's
you know, it's like Andy Reid was great before Kansas City.
Do you think Rivers is a lock? No, I don't think.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Okay, So do you think golf like is that much
better than Philip Rivers?
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Like, it's not about who's better, it's about it a
lot of it's productivity. And if you go eight years
into Philip rivers career, did he have the most wins
in the league, did he have the most big plays
in the league. I mean, Philip was great. Now you'll
never argue, you know, I'll never bang on Philip Rivers.
I love Philip Rivers game. He wasn't very athletic, less
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athletic than golf actually, but at the end especially but
when when you start putting up these numbers, you.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Know, it's just it's a classic example.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
If you keep succeeding like anybody, I mean, let's be honest,
a lot of powerball winners either go broke or lose
a majority of the money. Some people do get like
a great hand in life. They get rich parents, their
trust fund kids. But to me, it's always been about
what do you do with it Like, what do you
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do if you, let's say tomorrow you win the power
Ball at LA, so you get about five of it?
Can you turn the five into twenty five? Most people can't.
I could they turned the five into one right or
less than that? So my point is, yeah, Jared Goff
got McVeigh and Andrew Whitworth. Okay, that was a great break,
and he got to a super Bowl and then he
got a great GM. But they were awful when he
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got there, and he keeps winning.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Yeah, that the best case for Goff as man. He
got kicked to the curb by McVeigh, right, that was harsh.
He went to a super Bowl and he didn't give
up or throwing the towel or stink. He kind of thrived.
And I think that's great. I just it's a to me,
it's a little reach to say Hall of Fame. I
definitely am a fan. I think he's been outstanding. He's
got a little work to do.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
I'll ask you this.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Detroit gets to a super Bowl, Jared Goff was still
five years of prime, will be to two super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
And it's Peggott. Yeah, I mean Russell Wilson only.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Got to Okay, but again, Russell's a prime example.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Yes, that's why I brought him up.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Let's go to back to the being of my argument.
Who did Russell succeed with kind of one group of players?
By the end, Pete wanted about Tom and want him out,
Peyton wanted him out, and Dabel's not interested. So Russell had,
like golf, this really good run. But did he succeed
with multiple people? And that's the start of this rant.
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But that's part of what makes Goff great is seven
coordinators and six he's crushed with.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
What hurts Russell Wilson is he struggled in Denver, did
not he butted heads with Peyton, struggled nice. Then he
was in Pittsburgh that you know, landed the year. Now
he's in the Giants. He's been benched before September was finished.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
So if you're close, like one of the arguments for
Philip Rivers, it actually helps him in this way. When
he was at his oldest and the least athletic quarterback
in the league and he was in Philip would at
first to admit it. He goes to Indianapolis, goes eleven
and five, goes to Buffalo for a playoff, game, and
they were in that thing.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Covered the spread.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I remember, so Philip rivers Old Philip got out of comfortable,
went to kind of rebuilding Indianapolis. The roster Indy had
that is not nearly as good as the roster now
for Daniel Jones. This roster now in Indy is legit
top ten, top seven roster that wasn't eleven and five.
Go to Buffalo toe to toe of Josh Allen, and
(40:18):
I remember that game. You're like, this is a real
and that was when Buffalo was at the height of
their powers. So how you end when your borderline matters?
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Gof's gonna age really well.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
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