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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
We are live.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
On a day many of us, most of us woke up,
rushed to the Internet and saw a story that was
a combination of James Bond meets Casino meets uncut Gems
meets Rounders meets reality. First the Louver heist in Paris
this weekend and now a gambling sting with the FBI.
(00:53):
In the NBA, it's the Roaring twenties apparently, Welcome into
the Herd in Chicago owns still here?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
WHOA what is happening?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
If you have not heard NBA current and active NBA
coach Chauncey Billups four MVP in the finals, has been arrested,
so is Damon Jones and Terry Rozier. So first of all,
I used to work in Vegas for seven years I
saw a lot of bad actors.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
The mob was still in Vegas, so.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I don't get real precious on this stuff. For years
and years. I mean, you can go back to Henry Hill,
Boston College in the seventies. People go into prison over
this stuff. You can go back to the Romans and
the Chariots. Gambling in sports has been intertwined forever, and
the mafia is often part of it. Tim Donneghe, the
NBA investigation Shoheo Tani, the interpreter. I always look at
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stories like this as a good thing. I want to
protect our sports. I want to protect the sanctity of
these sports. So when stories like this come out and
they're uncovered and discovered and there's intments and these are
all accusations, but it's a four year process by the FBI,
about seven million dollars, victims lost hours and hours of videotape.
(02:14):
And I've been reading this stuff for the last forty
five minutes to an hour, and these are accusations. I'll
try to simplify it as much as I can and
give you my take on it. So Damon Jones, Terry Rosier,
Chauncey Billins. So it's all illegal, gambling. It's eleven states
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spanned across eleven states, thirty individuals arrested. Thirteen of them
are mafia members LaCOSA and Ustra, that's the Italian mafia.
So these are two separate incidents. So the NBA one
is six defendants, Damon Jones, Terry Rozier. Basically, they leverage
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their connections to place prop bets. For instance, Terry rose
Ear in a game in March two years ago, feigned
an injury so he would be pulled out of a
game and all the unders on the prop bets would hit.
And a guy who's made over one hundred million dollars
apparently won a couple hundred thousand dollars for doing it
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from real bad actors. Not sure why you'd do that,
Maybe he was in huge debt. But they're two separate indictments.
The poker fraud's been going on forever in basements all
across the world. Okay, so the poker fraud stuff, I mean,
let me just read some of this. The technology was
hidden cameras, special contact lenses, glasses that could read mark cards,
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X ray poker tables that could read cards face down.
There were people off site from the decks that were
getting information feeding it back to people who were playing
in the game. In those games, there were some NBA
players like Damon Jones is mentioned in this accusation, these arrests,
and again, it the poker stuff, and that's been happening forever.
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It's happening this morning, and it's happening tonight all over
the country, all over the globe. That stuff, it's it's
it's casino meets rounders. It's intense. I don't play poker.
I have friends who do you know, they joke about
stuff like this. The NBA stuff is the stuff we
all worry about primarily, right, that's the stuff we worry about.
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Tim Donneghe, Henry Hill, Boston College. There was that NASU investigation.
Vegas often tells the leagues, Vegas doesn't want cheaters. Vegas
their margins are thins. Sports betters are smarter than ever.
I mean last week or the week before, Joe Fan
crushed the books, So you fans are smarter than ever.
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Vegas doesn't want to see this stuff. Vegas wants to
get this stuff out. So and I lived in Vegas
for seven years and sports gambling and the mafia been
around forever. There were accusations forever around Tart, none of
it ever proven.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I don't believe any of it.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
But players were in casinos, and there's bad actors everywhere,
and he was always terribly aware of it and preached
to his players stay out of those casinos. And I
covered a program that had that stuff hovering over him
for years and years and years.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I didn't believe any.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Of it, none of it just it was just oh,
as part of the fabric and casinos and gambling and
bad guys and basketball coaches. And so my takeaway on
all this stuff is this is serious business. The poker
stuff happening forever, the NBA stuff. They just signed these
massive contracts. This is an awful day for Adam Silver.
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Just an awful day for Adam Silver and the people
I know in sports. They tell athletes don't do it,
they tell them to stay away. I've always worried more
about officials than athletes. My first job was covering a
basketball team in Vegas, and I'm telling you you and
LV was so aware of it, so concerned about it,
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writing about it, preached to the athletes constantly, and.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Good for them.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
They ninety nine point nine point nine percent of the
time except for one person that got involved.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
It's a hot tub.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
It was that.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I remember waking up in Vegas one year Spokesman review.
The ad was Dennis Friendfrock and there was a Richard
the fixer. Perry was in a hot tub with a
couple of players. Blew up the program. This stuff's been
going on forever ever. So my takeaway on this, I
don't want to get precious on it. I would love
to get Cash Betel on the show today. Here there
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was a press conference for forty five minutes this morning,
and here's Cash Betel Today.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
We are here in New York to announce a historic
arrests across a wide, sweeping criminal enterprise that envelops both
the NBA and La Casa Nostra. But as you now know,
individuals such as Chauncey Phillips, Damon Jones, and Terry Rozier
were taking into custody today former current NBA players and coaches.
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You don't know is that this is an illegal gambling
operation and sports rigging operation that spanned the course of years.
The FBI led a coordinative takedown across eleven states to
arrest over thirty individuals today responsible for this case, which
is very much ongoing.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
So the one thing I read there was some video
that surfaced last year on the internet, and like all
of you, I'm on my phone sometimes with Terry Rozier
and really ugly turnovers. The FBI says that Rozier told
the defendants that he was going to leave a game
March two years ago. The defendants then placed a couple
hundred thousand dollars in wagers on under on prop bets.
He feigns an injury, they take him out.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
It hits.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
It says there were tens of thousands of dollars in profits. Again,
I want these stories uncovered. I want to protect the
sanctity of our sports. I don't get precious.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I'm not naive. I know what goes on.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
My first job was covering a Vegas team where Richard
the fixer Perry in a hot tub showed up one
day in the Review Journal. You can look it up online.
I woke up, read it and thought, oh, my world's imploded.
So I just think chariot races, the Romans, gambling mafia,
uncut gems, It's live in living color, and here we
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are today with it once again in my life. I
feel like this about the fifteenth time something like that.
The Donneghe stuff was unbelievable when it happened, and Donneghie
for years and years said I didn't change outcomes.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I just wanted to hit the over.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I just called fowls like validating it, rationalizing it.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So we'll keep you posted now before this story.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Last night, when I went to bed, it was a
normal story, well abnormal. The second best player in the league,
and maybe the first in about three months, is Wimby
Forty points, fifteen rebounds, three blocks, no turnovers, seventy percent
from the field. What is he twenty one right now?
(08:56):
I think he's the second starting last night, the second
most dominating player in the league. Luca can't change a
game defensively, either can Sga. Jokic isn't much of a defender,
but he is so great offensively. He basically carried Denver
to a title. When he's off the floor, they're a
non playoff team. When he's on the floor, they can
win the title. It's the only player in the league,
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maybe outside of Giannis, that could do that. I think
there are five great players in the NBA, and they're
all international right now, Jokich, Wemby, Luca Jannis and Sga.
But what I watched last night I kind of felt
watching it is and those are clearly the five best players.
They're all international, and the NBA is going to an
interesting thing. No more dynasties. Adam Silver doesn't want dynasty,
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so they have these aprons, so it's so punitive to
owners to stack rosters. And the second thing is all
the best players are international, and keep your eye on
Elbrin Shengun of Houston, who's twenty three, made an All
Star Game at twenty two and is ascending fast. He
is notably, clearly and arguably better than Kevin Durant right
(10:02):
now today, NBA may market Durant. Shan Gun's the better
player and like improving every thirty games. So it's a
fascinating time in the NBA. I love watching Jokic. I
know a lot of people think it's boring. I covered
our Venas Sabonis in Portland. I thought he was the
best passer on the team, the best shooter on the team,
and I didn't even see him. He was in Lithuania
first prime. I didn't even get the best of him,
(10:23):
and I thought he was an unbelievable basketball player. Jokic
is notably better than Sabonis, and Sabonis was on that
Blazer team that made the finals or almost made the finals,
got beating the Lakers in seven with Kobe and Shack,
and I thought Sabonis was the most skilled player, way
past his prime. So I think last night it's just
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we're watching the kid. The kid had forty points in
thirty minutes. Thirty minutes, forty points, all those rebounds, seventy
percent from the field. So I think at some point,
maybe before the All Star break, Wemby will be the
second best player in this league.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I mean, it's he's putting up.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
He's going to get to fifty points in thirty minutes
here pretty quick. Those are Wilt numbers, except Wilt couldn't
hoist and hit threes and didn't have a crossover dribble.
So last night, and by the way, Spurs have a
great starting five, maybe they are the next dynasty. But
watching him last night, I'm just thinking, Wow, he's not
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Jokice today, but he could be soon.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
And here's Wenby.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
After much morning control of myself the mind, I'm not
worried about because I saw what it's like to be
confronted with, you know, potentially losing a lot, whether it's
your career or you're health.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
So I'm not thinking disre granted anymore. But the body, it's, uh,
it's I'm having more fun than I'm not struggling to
move as much, you know, And I know I'm still
need to get better. I'm still going to get better.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, he's had to put on twenty five pounds of muscle.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
He is just I mean, you're watching last night.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I sat there with my wife and I said, see
that guy in the bright shoes, He's gonna be the
best player in the NBA, either by the end of
tonight or the end of the season. That was unbelievable.
And it's not like Dallas is a small team. Dallas's
front lines the deepest in the league forty points thirty minutes.
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Dallas has six eleven seven foot guys. As Jay Billis said,
he may have look like sixth graders. But that is
the second biggest story with the NBA today. All right,
bring in J Mack. You know, it's just it's interesting
J Mack because my first job out of college was
covering UNLV and I loved it, and I had a
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hot and cold relationship with a late great Jerry Tarkenan.
But I woke up one morning it was a Sunday morning,
and the local paper had a notorious game fixer just
in a hot tub with a couple of the players.
And it was never the same program, And they preached
for years to keep players out of casinos, and U
and LV did a really good job at the time.
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Dark really tried. But it's Vegas, it's you know, and
the MAFU was there. So I feel like I've lived
in this kind of weird world forever. And I read
this story this morning. When I read the poker stuff,
I don't play poker, it did read like Rounders. I mean,
James Bond meets Casino meets Rounders meets Uncut Gems, the
NBA stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
What was your first reaction to it? I don't know.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
I got to choose my words carefully. You know, it
is obviously a big story.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (13:36):
The FBI and the NBA met with Terry Rozier multiple
times in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
He was cleared by the NBA.
Speaker 7 (13:43):
I guess maybe the FBI found some new folks willing
to say some stuff, so we got to see what
happens there. The poker stuff, to me is fascinating. Those
poker games. I'm sure you've played in some poker games,
ever plays I'm not a poker player. What's interesting You
never played in a poker game.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
No?
Speaker 1 (13:57):
No, I mean I've played poker, but not in big
poker game I played. You know, I'm on a flight
with somebody and my wife or something like that. But
I mean, I'm more willing to do a backgammon or solitaire.
But when you read, when you read the poker stuff
in this accusation, it's unbelievable. It is, it is, there's
a lot, it is really you know that scene in
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a casino Ocean's eleven.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Oh you're talking about fascinating.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, I mean we had the Louver heist, we have this.
It's like, folks don't get precious. I mean, in my career,
I've had literally media people text me I'm very disappointed.
You don't take this stuff as serious, and I'm like, oh,
grow up, stop being precious. Chariots, romans, betting, mafia. It's
been happening forever, and gambling is Legal Supreme Court said, yep,
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you can gamble in America. We were way behind Europe.
So don't don't get don't get precious. And there's warning labels.
I read warning labels all the time if I have
a gambling sponsor. So but I will say, when I
woke up this morning and saw Chauncey Billups, I would
not have guessed Chauncey Billups. He was always one of
the smarter headier.
Speaker 7 (15:04):
Let's profess, these are just allegations a poker game, not
a big deal.
Speaker 8 (15:10):
You know.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Let's see the other stuff that comes out.
Speaker 7 (15:12):
Uh. You know, Chauncey Bullups made over one hundred million
dollars in his career. He's an NBA head coach.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
Like I playing in a poker game, Okay, I get it,
but like being a part of it, like.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I need to wait and see.
Speaker 7 (15:28):
Just remember with the Otani interpreter, everybody rushed the judgment.
Oh was like whoa, whoa, wait a minute. We didn't
we did we did not, of course not. I'm gonna
I'm gonna give these guys a benefit of the doubt.
We'll see the evidence, and then if you want to
come in off the top rope, go for it, but
I I gotta wait and see.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, no, that's reasonable.
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Speaker 1 (16:24):
So the NBA has made this statement announcement this morning.
There's two current NBA people involved in this FBI arrest.
Blazer's head coach in Portland, Chauncey Phillips, good player and
Terry Rozier, who's currently I think he was nursing an
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injury Miami Heat player. So both of them have been
placed on immediate leave by the NBA. These are accusations
by the FBI two separate you know, indictments. One is massive,
it's poker. The other involves six people on some prop
bets the NBA. And we'll just keep you posted on
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what we know. World Series starts Friday, and I thought
about this this morning. I spent eight years living in California.
Now I go there often but live in Chicago. And
one of the things I've told people before, I love
living in California. There's a very large anti California anything
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resentment in America. A lot of the conservative media bangs
on them a lot, and for good reason.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
There's envy.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
It's the largest economy in the country by a mile.
It's got the best most moderate weather. You got mountain ranges,
the Pacific Ocean, desert's farming, it's amazing. And Californians, frankly,
do not care what you think. If the fifty States
were a family, California would be the rich, good looking
kid driving a convertible that owns a tech company. They're
easy to hate. CALIFORNI is the quarterback and the valedictorian,
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Like I get it. And here's my take on the Dodgers.
I didn't hear all this whining and complaining when the
New York Yankees, when the New York Yankees own the
Hot Stove League and bought all the best players, because
there's a sense that New Yorkers earn their money Wall
Street grinding hours, toughness, and maybe that's right, But I
didn't hear all this animosity about money and the cool
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thing about the Dodgers there's no ego. Oh Tani's a
great guy. Freddie Freeman, Yoshi, Dave Roberts, the manager, the
front office, Mookie Betts, Max Munsey, no ego. I mean,
they're just the nicest group of guys. They all get
along the stars. There's no toxicity, there's no resentment. It's
all the talent, none of the ego. So if you
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hate the Dodgers, might take is you kind of you
hate yourself? You know, it's an envy thing that they're
the Yankees.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
You could hate.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Steinbrenner was obnoxious, and Billy Martin was poking in the ribs,
and there was the narcissism of Reggie Jackson, and then
the Mattingly teams weren't any good, but he was likable,
and then he went to the other teams. They were
feisty in that. But the truth is the Dodgers. Like,
if you want to hate the Astros they cheated, I
get it. Or if you don't like Hollywood and their
politics and they're not relatable, I get it. Or the
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Kardashians jamming their wealth in your face. You don't like that,
I totally get it. But let me be your therapist.
You don't hate the Dodgers. You want to be the Dodgers. Smart,
ahead of the curve, use your money wisely, classy, successful.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
You don't hate them, you want to be them.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
They're a shining example in Major League Baseball of what's
possible if you spend money and spend it wisely. They've
led it Baseball and attendants every year since twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Buy a lot.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
In a stadium that's gorgeous, but older and not easy
to get in and out of. Here's Dave Roberts poking
everybody else in the ribs after they swept the Milwaukee
Brewers in the NLCS.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
This is a one team, one dream operation.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
And uh, I'll tell you.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
Before this season started, they said the Dodgers are ruining baseball.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Let's get four more wins and really ruined baseball.
Speaker 8 (20:19):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I find he's on our show later today. From the
manager to the front office. Uh, the ownership group, they're
not hateable. I'm sorry, it's like hating, you know. I
mean it's it's it's like hating Easter. Hey to you
problem and no egoes at all on this team. Jmack
with the news.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
No, no turn on the news.
Speaker 8 (20:45):
This is the Herdline News. All right.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
Con Let's start with Patrick Mahomes, who's having a rebound season.
He was not very good last year as the Chiefs
got super lucky in one score games eleven or zero,
lost in the Super Bowl badly. This year their own
four and three, but Kansas City has scored on fifty
two percent of their offensive possessions, which is the best
mark since his first year as a starter. The offense
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has improved dramatically. It's interesting Colin trying to pinpoint why
this is happening. Mahomes said last season he was over
analyzing things. This year he wants to simplify and play fast.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
It looks to me.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
Just the eye test that he's not throwing the ball
as deep downfield often. He's taking what the defense is
giving him, and he's hitting his layoffs right.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, And I also think if you look at Worthy,
and you look at Hollywood Brown, j Mack, and you
look at Rashie Rice, their very good yard after the
catch guys, Juju.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Smith Schuster isn't the burner. I think.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Also Mahomes is a really bright guy, and he identifies
a lot of our guys. You see this in Detroit
with Gibbs or an amor on Saint Brown, Like sometimes
a receiver has plotting veteran receivers and then sometimes he's
got on Mahomes does, which is twitchy, smaller guys who
make people miss in space.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
So why throw it deep?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Go high percentage underneath and let This was when the
Niners in brock perty Head Kittle, Christian McCaffrey and Devot
Samuel like, why throw it deep, get those guys the
ball and let them break tackles. So I think Kansas
City's got a little Niner feel about three years ago.
These twitchy guys underneath, they'll get the yards after the catch.
Speaker 7 (22:31):
So, okay, all that makes sense, I get it. But
a lot of it starts with the offensive line. Remember
in the Super Bowl they could not block the Eagles, right.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Interesting thing?
Speaker 7 (22:39):
Have you followed this, Josh Simmons saga Colin a little bit.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Okay, so it's a little mysterious.
Speaker 7 (22:45):
The kid out of Ohio State, right, he fell in
the draft because of the injury, and he played well
in the preseason and he's played well.
Speaker 8 (22:52):
This season, yes, and then.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
He's like taken a little I don't know if it's
a leave of absence or he's just not there and
nobody's talking about it. We haven't seen the offensive line
struggle because they're playing the Raiders who stick. Okay, Washington
a little tougher, Buffalo a little tougher. So we'll see
in the coming weeks if that offensive line can hold up,
because Colin, you know, it's easy to make the dink
and dunk passes right when the offensive line's locking. In
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the Super Bowl, there was no time for that. Jalen
Carter was in his face.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
And I don't think there are a lot of great
old lines Detroit, Philadelphia, Indianapolis, Denver.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
There's not a lot of great o lines.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
The Bears, by the way on the interior now guard
center guard, I think has become really really elite. But
the truth is most teams, I mean, Brady used to
beat you, getting rid of the ball quickly. When he
had a great deep threat, he didn't win Super Bowl.
So I've never been a big believer in the deep ball.
And the other reason I don't believe in it is
because the playoffs are January in late December, and it's
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hard to throw the ball deep in windy Kansas City, Cincinnati, Baltimore,
Buffalo weather.
Speaker 7 (23:55):
So I don't know what we're doing with gambling on
the show. But we haven't talked this game. It's up
to twelve and a half Monday Night, stay away college number.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I don't listen.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
They just smashed the Raiders thirty one zero was non competitive,
and now we got Marcus Mariota in there.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Ken Washington Hang.
Speaker 7 (24:10):
They couldn't stop Dallas at all. What makes you think
they're gonna stop KC.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
I don't wager on college numbers. That's too big for me.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
That's probably smart.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
Let's move on to Lamar Jackson Colin speaking of mysteries.
We don't know if he's gonna play this week. John
Harbaugh's playing being very coy. The Ravens obviously need him.
The Cooper Rush experience has been awful. Here's John Harbaugh
on Lamar's status for Sunday.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
It's hard to put a number on. I think it's
just part of the process right now. I really don't
have any shareable injury intelligence for you guys at this point.
What do you think of that.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
Gamesmanship?
Speaker 2 (24:51):
What are we doing here?
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Lamar's plan you feel confident with the line hasn't gone down.
If it all of a sudden goes to three and
a half today, maybe he's out, but I think he plays.
Is this a blazing five.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Or Farr shows up to practice. Maybe it is Lamar
shows up to practice on Tuesday, he's playing.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
Oh it was Wednesday yesterday. Yeah, interesting, you're considering. I'm
considering it for headlines, but I'm not considering the Bears.
And for me, this is Ravens are passed and it
sounds like they're going to be very healthy off the buy. Okay,
you've said enough by just nodding all right.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Now, Colin, This one caught me off guard. Final story.
Speaker 7 (25:31):
AJ Brown had a phenomenal game against the Vikings, and
all of a sudden, he's got a hamstring injury. Miss
practice yesterday. What I thought the Eagles were going to
be my biggest play of the week. Against the Giants.
I love them in a revenge spot here, but no
Aj Brown kind of changes things. We saw the Giant
secondary get lit up like a Christmas tree in the
fourth quarter, could not stop Bo Nicks, your guy. I
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like the Eagles here, but this Aj Brown injury kind
of mysterious. Kin the lead get healthy?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
What's going on here? I I think the league's always bad.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
I also think much like the Dodgers pitching staff, where
Snell and Glass know were eventually going to be healthy
just in time for the playoffs. I think when you
get when you're as deep as they are and you're
at home against the team, do you feel good about
why risk it? I like in a seventeen game schedule,
there's no question that NFL teams now if it's a
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go either way decision. I think we've seen this about
a half dozen times this year. It's a go either
way decision on game day and the player doesn't play.
I grew up with a fourteen game NFL schedule, then
I went to sixteen. Now at seventeen, rumor is in
two years at eighteen. I think, like a baseball or
a basketball, if a guys go either way and you
got a winning record, sity, it's not like they don't
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have offensive weapons.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Well, my only thing is Colin.
Speaker 7 (26:52):
I don't want to go overboard here, but the Dallas
Cowboys Broncos game is fascinating.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Right.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
If Dallas wins that and the Eagle somehow slip up
against the Giants, I think we could start talking about
the NFC East being a Cowboys Eagles deal. Like, well,
I think it's closer than people are talking about.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Now.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
That's how good Dallas has been. Do you not think
Dallas has a shot? I think Washington's out the schedules.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I don't think you can win a division with that
bad of defense, But I do think everybody's smushed closer
because of a bit of a coaching crisis and o
line injury crisis in Philly.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I think I thought of.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
It as Eagles way up here, Giants way down there,
and between the Giants offense and the Cowboys offense and
the regression of Washington's offense, it's all mushed together.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
How about the season opener, Dallas nearly beat Philly if
des Bryant doesn't drop a million boys, So I think
the Eagles. I know you want to play it safe, Hey,
let's sit aj Brown. I think they kind of need
him this week. You cannot mess around this Giants team, Colin.
They're frisky with your boy, Jackson.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Dart Jmack with the news.
Speaker 8 (27:58):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
News and we'll we'll keep you updated on the Terry
Rosier Chaunce Phillips story the FBI, which is what we
all woke up to this morning. So I was thinking
about this. The Ben Johnson Bears, the Caleb william Ben
Johnson Chicago Bears are really interesting and we're all kind
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of watching it whether it hits or fails. I think
it's gonna hit, but it is interesting. Ben Johnson when
he was in Detroit was with Jared Goff, and this
morning we went and looked at Ben Johnson's first six
games with Caleb Williams and his first six games with
Jared Goff, and you know what, you see identical numbers.
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Caleb just wins more so two things. Three things are
very clear. There's clearly progress with Caleb Williams and the
Bears offense this year to last. And it also proves
most of you weren't watching Jared Goff in the twenty
twenty two Lions. By the way, that Lions team, they
had Homer on Saint Brown o line PFF had at
top ten. They had Piney Sewel, they had two good
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running backs including DeAndre Swift Jabal Williams. It was a
good team. They had a lot of good players, and
they weren't very good. And nobody was watching that team,
and everybody's watching this team. The only time you watched
that Lions team last game of the year, when they
went to Lambeau and beat Aaron Rodgers and not Green
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Bay out of the playoffs, and that was Aaron's last game.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
As a Packer.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
That's when you first watched them. The difference is the Bears.
We've been watching it since June. That's when we've been
watching this Bears team. So I think, and here's the
thing is is that Caleb Williams was under a microscope
his first started at Oklahoma. I think he replaced Spencer Rattlers.
I mean it was like, oh, first start Oklahoma, then
at USC then last year, then this year. Jared Goff.
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You didn't watch them in Detroit until that game in
Green Bay. And so here are facts about Caleb Williams
and the Bears and Ben Johnson through six games. The
facts looked it up this morning. He is taking far
fewer sacks. That was my number one concern, not yards,
not touchdowns. He's taken fewer sacks. He has a higher
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passer rating, and the Bears lead the NFL in big
plays per game.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
It is working. It is absolutely working.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
It's a little rough the operational side of it's a
little clunky about twice a game. But Greg Olsen came
on the show earlier and said, it's fine right now.
Speaker 10 (30:33):
Franchises fail young quarterbacks more than young quarterbacks fail franchises,
and I think you're seeing it with what Kevin O'Connell
is doing with some of these rebirth of Sam Darnold,
who now continued it in Seattle. And you know, you're
seeing what goes on with so many of these quarterbacks
that were left for dead. It is such an important
part of all this. And then you factor in just
how young Caleb is and how fresh he is in
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his NFL career. I think there's been great Growthstely.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
We're just watching this and we didn't watch the Lions
until the following year when we all went, oh yeah,
like most of us. We're watching Stafford of the Rams
way more than golf to the Lions until that Packer game,
and then the following year they came out and you're like,
is Detroit good? What differences? We're just watching every snap
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Caleb takes less sacks, higher passer rating lead the NFL
in big plays. Can be a little clunky, but it's good.
There's no question. I'll say this.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
It's going to work.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
It's just how unrealistic are the critics this week? Ravens,
that is a test and I believe Lamarro play.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Coming up next.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
You make big money, people want big results.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
I'll talk about that next.
Speaker 8 (31:55):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays
and Noone Easter nine Amphus BNBA story.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Chauncey Billups is involved in the poker part of the
indictment Terry Rozier in the basketball part. The poker indictment
includes X ray machines built into tables to read face
down cards, contact lenses and glasses that read pre mark cards,
secret cameras, and card trays.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
This is high tech stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
And remember legalization of gambling didn't create this. It exposes
it didn't create it. It's been going on forever. So
I'm I'm for finding all the bad actors and keeping
our sports some sanctity in our sports and some purity
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to it. But legalized gambling, you're gonna get all the Puritans,
you know, rushing to tell you see, this is what
happens when you legalize gambling. Yeah, what about the Boston
College nineteen seventy scandal, Tim donaghy. It didn't create this stuff,
it's exposing it. Transparency is not a flaw, this is
a credit. We want this stuff.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
I want to.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I saw this this morning. Nick Saban apparently this weekend,
was defending James Franklin, and he went out and he said,
it's unfair what they're doing to Billy Napier, and it's
unfair what they're doing to James Franklin. I wouldn't have
fired James Franklin either, because he won thirteen.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Games last year.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
But in any business, the more the bigger that business gets,
including college football, the more pressure and the more pressure
to win quickly. And everybody keeps telling me, well, the
players are making big money. Now, that's made it harder. Well,
the coaches are also making nine, ten to eleven million
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dollars a year, win more games faster. I wouldn't have
fired James Franklin, but he did go four and twenty
one against top ten teams and a one in fifteen
against top five teams.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
You gotta win more of those games. Apier.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
It was time Billy Napier lost to South Florida. If
you're at the University of Florida, you can't lose to
directional schools in Florida. He was also a guy had
a worse record he's in year four than Dan Mullin,
who got whacked. So again, I hear about, oh, the
players making money. Do you know what the average player
in college football makes? Less than ten thousand dollars. The
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coaches are making that by lunch on Monday. Okay, coaches
are making ten million dollars and eleven million dollars beat
good teams. If you coach Penn State, you can't go
four in twenty one against top ten teams. You gotta
be closer to five hundred. I'm not saying you have
to do a Saban or a Pete Carroll at LSU.
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You can't go four in twenty one, can't go one
in fifteen against top ten teams. So the bigger the money,
the bigger the expectations.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
More is more.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
You get more money, players get more money, there's more pressure.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
You gotta win more games. More is more.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
And with that, Chris sim Is joining US former Texas
Longhorn quarterback eight years in the NFL. I mean, I
look at Texas and Sark. I think he's safe. I
think he's a great coach. But you know that school
arch has struggled. Do you think Sark's feeling heat at Texas?
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Well, he's feeling heat because of the expectations. I mean
maybe the number one team in the country. They spent
a lot of money on anil to emphasize that, and
of course they have a quarterback that everybody thought was
going to be the number one pick in the draft. Right,
So he's feeling the heat just because, Hey, that's a
major program and it's the biggest thing in the city
of Austin, and it's almost like an NFL team as
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far as the attention it gets from a big city.
But I don't think he has to worry about, like
feeling the heat as far as job security that I
don't think, No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Okay, USC four years in offense is snazzy and fun.
Defense isn't physical consistently can't run road games in the
Big Ten. Do you think there should be heat on
Lincoln Riley today?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Oh, one hundred percent. I never really understand that marriage there.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Lincoln Riley does not seem like a Southern cal Los
Angeles type of guy. I do believe help or that
helps in the college football setting a little bit, So yeah,
I don't. And then the course, like to your point,
I mean, yes, it's fun, wow, great passing yards, but
what's that mean.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
It doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
They're not capable of playing, Like you said, Big ten
football defense is a little bit better this year, but
certainly nothing special, right and yet I've seen nothing or
no inkling so far to go ooh, watch out. They
got a ton of talent coming up the pipes here.
I know the recruiting class next year is supposed to
be pretty good, but come on, it's USC. You know,
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Colin Forever, if there was ten good players in the
state of California, you were like, well, the top nine are.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Going to USC.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
If there was fifteen on the West Coast, you were like, well,
thirteen of them are going to the USC. That's not happening,
so that would concern me.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Ohio State. I've watched every game, almost every game they've played,
and my takeaway is the defense is too good for
ninety nine percent of college offenses.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I don't know what they'll do to in the end.
It's just too fast.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
The windows you're allowed to throw in against them are
NFL windows.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
They're tiny little windows. What do you see? I see that.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
I think Ohio States the best team in college football.
I don't really think it's close, all right, because of
what you said. The talent, right, Matt Patricia has brought
that defense to a different stratosphere with some NFL concepts
and things where I think a lot of college football
is like, WHOA, what the hell is this coverage? I
don't know what to do. I think that's part of
Texas's problem. I think that this defense put out a
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few ways of how to defend that offense, and people
have copied that a little bit. But yes, between that
and Colin, here's the other aspect. We know. The offense
is awesome. The quarterback, the receivers, the running back, all
of that. Their running game is legit. They haven't even
had to be creative in a game. Yet they're literally like,
we're gonna run here, and then they run here, They're like,
Jeremiah's here, he's gonna be open, We're gonna throw to him.
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So I don't think they've even had to like dive
deep into the pipe book as far as creativity to
this point.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yet, finally, you know, quarterback? Who is the best college
quarterback you've seen?
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Now?
Speaker 1 (38:07):
This past week against SC Carr didn't play well. Who
have you seen? Is it enoughs Meyer or Dante Moore?
Is it Mendoza?
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Who do you like?
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Yeah, there's a lot of good ones out there. Mendoza
certainly catches my eye. Dante Moore to me looks like,
you know, I don't know if it's ready for him
to come out this year, but he certainly has top
ten type of talent to me in the draft. Same
with Fernando Madus Mendoza. Jaydon Mayaba of USC's really talented.
The best quarterback though I've seen this year is Ty
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Simpson of Alabama. When I talk about big throws, pushing
the ball down the field, throwing the ball into tight windows,
all that, I'm going to give him the belt right now.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
But there is a lot of good college football players.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
I like neus Meyer Colin, but he has not looked
the same as last year. And I've heard and I
know he's kind of battling through some injuries. I think
he's got a little oblique issue there all together. But
for my money right now, it would be Ty Simpson.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Yeap, Kaylin de Boor did it with Michael Pennix after
those injuries. Right, there's no question the coach always helps
with a quarterback. It could be Bo Nicks or Sean Payton,
Kaylin de Boor and Ty Simpson. Chris Sims on a
rush day for us because of a little story that
broke between the FBI and the NBA. Chris is, Oh,
it's great seeing you.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Good seeing you, buddy, have a good one. Enjoy the weekend,
all right, man?
Speaker 10 (39:24):
All right?
Speaker 1 (39:25):
So his dad a couple of weeks ago on the show,
Chris Simms today thoughts on Cooper flag Greg co Sell
on a Thursday, This is not.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Your typical Thursday in the herd.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
We led with something we hope not to lead with
ever again, not a great day for Adam Silver in
the NBA. Don't accusations, don't know what to make poker
NBA problems, greg Co Soman,
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to
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day in the Herd.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
We are live.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
On a day many of us, most of us woke up,
rushed to the Internet and saw a story that was
a combination of James Bond meets Casino meets uncut Gems
meets Rounders meets reality. First the Louver heist in Paris
this weekend and now a gambling sting with the FBI.
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In the NBA, it's the Roaring twenties apparently, Welcome into
the Herd in Chicago owns still here?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
WHOA what is happening?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
If you have not heard NBA current and active NBA
coach Chauncey Billups four MVP in the finals, has been arrested,
so is Damon Jones and Terry Rozier. So first of all,
I used to work in Vegas for seven years I
saw a lot of bad actors.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
The mob was still in Vegas, so.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I don't get real precious on this stuff. For years
and years. I mean, you can go back to Henry Hill,
Boston College in the seventies. People go into prison over
this stuff. You can go back to the Romans and
the Chariots. Gambling in sports has been intertwined forever, and
the mafia is often part of it. Tim Donneghe, the
NBA investigation Shoheo Tani, the interpreter. I always look at
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stories like this as a good thing. I want to
protect our sports. I want to protect the sanctity of
these sports. So when stories like this come out and
they're uncovered and discovered and there's intments and these are
all accusations, but it's a four year process by the FBI,
about seven million dollars, victims lost hours and hours of videotape.
(02:14):
And I've been reading this stuff for the last forty
five minutes to an hour, and these are accusations. I'll
try to simplify it as much as I can and
give you my take on it. So Damon Jones, Terry Rosier,
Chauncey Billins. So it's all illegal, gambling. It's eleven states
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spanned across eleven states, thirty individuals arrested. Thirteen of them
are mafia members LaCOSA and Ustra, that's the Italian mafia.
So these are two separate incidents. So the NBA one
is six defendants, Damon Jones, Terry Rozier. Basically, they leverage
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their connections to place prop bets. For instance, Terry rose
Ear in a game in March two years ago, feigned
an injury so he would be pulled out of a
game and all the unders on the prop bets would hit.
And a guy who's made over one hundred million dollars
apparently won a couple hundred thousand dollars for doing it
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from real bad actors. Not sure why you'd do that,
Maybe he was in huge debt. But they're two separate indictments.
The poker fraud's been going on forever in basements all
across the world. Okay, so the poker fraud stuff, I mean,
let me just read some of this. The technology was
hidden cameras, special contact lenses, glasses that could read mark cards,
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X ray poker tables that could read cards face down.
There were people off site from the decks that were
getting information feeding it back to people who were playing
in the game. In those games, there were some NBA
players like Damon Jones is mentioned in this accusation, these arrests,
and again, it the poker stuff, and that's been happening forever.
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It's happening this morning, and it's happening tonight all over
the country, all over the globe. That stuff, it's it's
it's casino meets rounders. It's intense. I don't play poker.
I have friends who do you know, they joke about
stuff like this. The NBA stuff is the stuff we
all worry about primarily, right, that's the stuff we worry about.
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Tim Donneghe, Henry Hill, Boston College. There was that NASU investigation.
Vegas often tells the leagues, Vegas doesn't want cheaters. Vegas
their margins are thins. Sports betters are smarter than ever.
I mean last week or the week before, Joe Fan
crushed the books, So you fans are smarter than ever.
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Vegas doesn't want to see this stuff. Vegas wants to
get this stuff out. So and I lived in Vegas
for seven years and sports gambling and the mafia been
around forever. There were accusations forever around Tart, none of
it ever proven.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I don't believe any of it.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
But players were in casinos, and there's bad actors everywhere,
and he was always terribly aware of it and preached
to his players stay out of those casinos. And I
covered a program that had that stuff hovering over him
for years and years and years.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I didn't believe any.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Of it, none of it just it was just oh,
as part of the fabric and casinos and gambling and
bad guys and basketball coaches. And so my takeaway on
all this stuff is this is serious business. The poker
stuff happening forever, the NBA stuff. They just signed these
massive contracts. This is an awful day for Adam Silver.
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Just an awful day for Adam Silver and the people
I know in sports. They tell athletes don't do it,
they tell them to stay away. I've always worried more
about officials than athletes. My first job was covering a
basketball team in Vegas, and I'm telling you you and
LV was so aware of it, so concerned about it,
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writing about it, preached to the athletes constantly, and.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Good for them.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
They ninety nine point nine point nine percent of the
time except for one person that got involved.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
It's a hot tub.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
It was that.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I remember waking up in Vegas one year Spokesman review.
The ad was Dennis Friendfrock and there was a Richard
the fixer. Perry was in a hot tub with a
couple of players. Blew up the program. This stuff's been
going on forever ever. So my takeaway on this, I
don't want to get precious on it. I would love
to get Cash Betel on the show today. Here there
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was a press conference for forty five minutes this morning,
and here's Cash Betel Today.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
We are here in New York to announce a historic
arrests across a wide, sweeping criminal enterprise that envelops both
the NBA and La Casa Nostra. But as you now know,
individuals such as Chauncey Phillips, Damon Jones, and Terry Rozier
were taking into custody today former current NBA players and coaches.
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You don't know is that this is an illegal gambling
operation and sports rigging operation that spanned the course of years.
The FBI led a coordinative takedown across eleven states to
arrest over thirty individuals today responsible for this case, which
is very much ongoing.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
So the one thing I read there was some video
that surfaced last year on the internet, and like all
of you, I'm on my phone sometimes with Terry Rozier
and really ugly turnovers. The FBI says that Rozier told
the defendants that he was going to leave a game
March two years ago. The defendants then placed a couple
hundred thousand dollars in wagers on under on prop bets.
He feigns an injury, they take him out.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
It hits.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
It says there were tens of thousands of dollars in profits. Again,
I want these stories uncovered. I want to protect the
sanctity of our sports. I don't get precious.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I'm not naive. I know what goes on.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
My first job was covering a Vegas team where Richard
the fixer Perry in a hot tub showed up one
day in the Review Journal. You can look it up online.
I woke up, read it and thought, oh, my world's imploded.
So I just think chariot races, the Romans, gambling mafia,
uncut gems, It's live in living color, and here we
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are today with it once again in my life. I
feel like this about the fifteenth time something like that.
The Donneghe stuff was unbelievable when it happened, and Donneghie
for years and years said I didn't change outcomes.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I just wanted to hit the over.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I just called fowls like validating it, rationalizing it.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So we'll keep you posted now before this story.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Last night, when I went to bed, it was a
normal story, well abnormal. The second best player in the league,
and maybe the first in about three months, is Wimby
Forty points, fifteen rebounds, three blocks, no turnovers, seventy percent
from the field. What is he twenty one right now?
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I think he's the second starting last night, the second
most dominating player in the league. Luca can't change a
game defensively, either can Sga. Jokic isn't much of a defender,
but he is so great offensively. He basically carried Denver
to a title. When he's off the floor, they're a
non playoff team. When he's on the floor, they can
win the title. It's the only player in the league,
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maybe outside of Giannis, that could do that. I think
there are five great players in the NBA, and they're
all international right now, Jokich, Wemby, Luca Jannis and Sga.
But what I watched last night I kind of felt
watching it is and those are clearly the five best players.
They're all international, and the NBA is going to an
interesting thing. No more dynasties. Adam Silver doesn't want dynasty,
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so they have these aprons, so it's so punitive to
owners to stack rosters. And the second thing is all
the best players are international, and keep your eye on
Elbrin Shengun of Houston, who's twenty three, made an All
Star Game at twenty two and is ascending fast. He
is notably, clearly and arguably better than Kevin Durant right
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now today, NBA may market Durant. Shan Gun's the better
player and like improving every thirty games. So it's a
fascinating time in the NBA. I love watching Jokic. I
know a lot of people think it's boring. I covered
our Venas Sabonis in Portland. I thought he was the
best passer on the team, the best shooter on the team,
and I didn't even see him. He was in Lithuania
first prime. I didn't even get the best of him,
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and I thought he was an unbelievable basketball player. Jokic
is notably better than Sabonis, and Sabonis was on that
Blazer team that made the finals or almost made the finals,
got beating the Lakers in seven with Kobe and Shack,
and I thought Sabonis was the most skilled player, way
past his prime. So I think last night it's just
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we're watching the kid. The kid had forty points in
thirty minutes. Thirty minutes, forty points, all those rebounds, seventy
percent from the field. So I think at some point,
maybe before the All Star break, Wemby will be the
second best player in this league.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I mean, it's he's putting up.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
He's going to get to fifty points in thirty minutes
here pretty quick. Those are Wilt numbers, except Wilt couldn't
hoist and hit threes and didn't have a crossover dribble.
So last night, and by the way, Spurs have a
great starting five, maybe they are the next dynasty. But
watching him last night, I'm just thinking, Wow, he's not
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Jokice today, but he could be soon.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
And here's Wenby.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
After much morning control of myself the mind, I'm not
worried about because I saw what it's like to be
confronted with, you know, potentially losing a lot, whether it's
your career or you're health.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
So I'm not thinking disre granted anymore. But the body, it's, uh,
it's I'm having more fun than I'm not struggling to
move as much, you know, And I know I'm still
need to get better. I'm still going to get better.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, he's had to put on twenty five pounds of muscle.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
He is just I mean, you're watching last night.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I sat there with my wife and I said, see
that guy in the bright shoes, He's gonna be the
best player in the NBA, either by the end of
tonight or the end of the season. That was unbelievable.
And it's not like Dallas is a small team. Dallas's
front lines the deepest in the league forty points thirty minutes.
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Dallas has six eleven seven foot guys. As Jay Billis said,
he may have look like sixth graders. But that is
the second biggest story with the NBA today. All right,
bring in J Mack. You know, it's just it's interesting
J Mack because my first job out of college was
covering UNLV and I loved it, and I had a
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hot and cold relationship with a late great Jerry Tarkenan.
But I woke up one morning it was a Sunday morning,
and the local paper had a notorious game fixer just
in a hot tub with a couple of the players.
And it was never the same program, And they preached
for years to keep players out of casinos, and U
and LV did a really good job at the time.
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Dark really tried. But it's Vegas, it's you know, and
the MAFU was there. So I feel like I've lived
in this kind of weird world forever. And I read
this story this morning. When I read the poker stuff,
I don't play poker, it did read like Rounders. I mean,
James Bond meets Casino meets Rounders meets Uncut Gems, the
NBA stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
What was your first reaction to it? I don't know.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
I got to choose my words carefully. You know, it
is obviously a big story.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (13:36):
The FBI and the NBA met with Terry Rozier multiple
times in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
He was cleared by the NBA.
Speaker 7 (13:43):
I guess maybe the FBI found some new folks willing
to say some stuff, so we got to see what
happens there. The poker stuff, to me is fascinating. Those
poker games. I'm sure you've played in some poker games,
ever plays I'm not a poker player. What's interesting You
never played in a poker game.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
No?
Speaker 1 (13:57):
No, I mean I've played poker, but not in big
poker game I played. You know, I'm on a flight
with somebody and my wife or something like that. But
I mean, I'm more willing to do a backgammon or solitaire.
But when you read, when you read the poker stuff
in this accusation, it's unbelievable. It is, it is, there's
a lot, it is really you know that scene in
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a casino Ocean's eleven.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Oh you're talking about fascinating.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, I mean we had the Louver heist, we have this.
It's like, folks don't get precious. I mean, in my career,
I've had literally media people text me I'm very disappointed.
You don't take this stuff as serious, and I'm like, oh,
grow up, stop being precious. Chariots, romans, betting, mafia. It's
been happening forever, and gambling is Legal Supreme Court said, yep,
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you can gamble in America. We were way behind Europe.
So don't don't get don't get precious. And there's warning labels.
I read warning labels all the time if I have
a gambling sponsor. So but I will say, when I
woke up this morning and saw Chauncey Billups, I would
not have guessed Chauncey Billups. He was always one of
the smarter headier.
Speaker 7 (15:04):
Let's profess, these are just allegations a poker game, not
a big deal.
Speaker 8 (15:10):
You know.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Let's see the other stuff that comes out.
Speaker 7 (15:12):
Uh. You know, Chauncey Bullups made over one hundred million
dollars in his career. He's an NBA head coach.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
Like I playing in a poker game, Okay, I get it,
but like being a part of it, like.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I need to wait and see.
Speaker 7 (15:28):
Just remember with the Otani interpreter, everybody rushed the judgment.
Oh was like whoa, whoa, wait a minute. We didn't
we did we did not, of course not. I'm gonna
I'm gonna give these guys a benefit of the doubt.
We'll see the evidence, and then if you want to
come in off the top rope, go for it, but
I I gotta wait and see.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, no, that's reasonable.
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Speaker 1 (16:24):
So the NBA has made this statement announcement this morning.
There's two current NBA people involved in this FBI arrest.
Blazer's head coach in Portland, Chauncey Phillips, good player and
Terry Rozier, who's currently I think he was nursing an
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injury Miami Heat player. So both of them have been
placed on immediate leave by the NBA. These are accusations
by the FBI two separate you know, indictments. One is massive,
it's poker. The other involves six people on some prop
bets the NBA. And we'll just keep you posted on
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what we know. World Series starts Friday, and I thought
about this this morning. I spent eight years living in California.
Now I go there often but live in Chicago. And
one of the things I've told people before, I love
living in California. There's a very large anti California anything
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resentment in America. A lot of the conservative media bangs
on them a lot, and for good reason.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
There's envy.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
It's the largest economy in the country by a mile.
It's got the best most moderate weather. You got mountain ranges,
the Pacific Ocean, desert's farming, it's amazing. And Californians, frankly,
do not care what you think. If the fifty States
were a family, California would be the rich, good looking
kid driving a convertible that owns a tech company. They're
easy to hate. CALIFORNI is the quarterback and the valedictorian,
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Like I get it. And here's my take on the Dodgers.
I didn't hear all this whining and complaining when the
New York Yankees, when the New York Yankees own the
Hot Stove League and bought all the best players, because
there's a sense that New Yorkers earn their money Wall
Street grinding hours, toughness, and maybe that's right, But I
didn't hear all this animosity about money and the cool
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thing about the Dodgers there's no ego. Oh Tani's a
great guy. Freddie Freeman, Yoshi, Dave Roberts, the manager, the
front office, Mookie Betts, Max Munsey, no ego. I mean,
they're just the nicest group of guys. They all get
along the stars. There's no toxicity, there's no resentment. It's
all the talent, none of the ego. So if you
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hate the Dodgers, might take is you kind of you
hate yourself? You know, it's an envy thing that they're
the Yankees.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
You could hate.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Steinbrenner was obnoxious, and Billy Martin was poking in the ribs,
and there was the narcissism of Reggie Jackson, and then
the Mattingly teams weren't any good, but he was likable,
and then he went to the other teams. They were
feisty in that. But the truth is the Dodgers. Like,
if you want to hate the Astros they cheated, I
get it. Or if you don't like Hollywood and their
politics and they're not relatable, I get it. Or the
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Kardashians jamming their wealth in your face. You don't like that,
I totally get it. But let me be your therapist.
You don't hate the Dodgers. You want to be the Dodgers. Smart,
ahead of the curve, use your money wisely, classy, successful.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
You don't hate them, you want to be them.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
They're a shining example in Major League Baseball of what's
possible if you spend money and spend it wisely. They've
led it Baseball and attendants every year since twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Buy a lot.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
In a stadium that's gorgeous, but older and not easy
to get in and out of. Here's Dave Roberts poking
everybody else in the ribs after they swept the Milwaukee
Brewers in the NLCS.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
This is a one team, one dream operation.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
And uh, I'll tell you.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
Before this season started, they said the Dodgers are ruining baseball.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Let's get four more wins and really ruined baseball.
Speaker 8 (20:19):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I find he's on our show later today. From the
manager to the front office. Uh, the ownership group, they're
not hateable. I'm sorry, it's like hating, you know. I
mean it's it's it's like hating Easter. Hey to you
problem and no egoes at all on this team. Jmack
with the news.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
No, no turn on the news.
Speaker 8 (20:45):
This is the Herdline News. All right.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
Con Let's start with Patrick Mahomes, who's having a rebound season.
He was not very good last year as the Chiefs
got super lucky in one score games eleven or zero,
lost in the Super Bowl badly. This year their own
four and three, but Kansas City has scored on fifty
two percent of their offensive possessions, which is the best
mark since his first year as a starter. The offense
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has improved dramatically. It's interesting Colin trying to pinpoint why
this is happening. Mahomes said last season he was over
analyzing things. This year he wants to simplify and play fast.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
It looks to me.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
Just the eye test that he's not throwing the ball
as deep downfield often. He's taking what the defense is
giving him, and he's hitting his layoffs right.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, And I also think if you look at Worthy,
and you look at Hollywood Brown, j Mack, and you
look at Rashie Rice, their very good yard after the
catch guys, Juju.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Smith Schuster isn't the burner. I think.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Also Mahomes is a really bright guy, and he identifies
a lot of our guys. You see this in Detroit
with Gibbs or an amor on Saint Brown, Like sometimes
a receiver has plotting veteran receivers and then sometimes he's
got on Mahomes does, which is twitchy, smaller guys who
make people miss in space.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
So why throw it deep?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Go high percentage underneath and let This was when the
Niners in brock perty Head Kittle, Christian McCaffrey and Devot
Samuel like, why throw it deep, get those guys the
ball and let them break tackles. So I think Kansas
City's got a little Niner feel about three years ago.
These twitchy guys underneath, they'll get the yards after the catch.
Speaker 7 (22:31):
So, okay, all that makes sense, I get it. But
a lot of it starts with the offensive line. Remember
in the Super Bowl they could not block the Eagles, right.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Interesting thing?
Speaker 7 (22:39):
Have you followed this, Josh Simmons saga Colin a little bit.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Okay, so it's a little mysterious.
Speaker 7 (22:45):
The kid out of Ohio State, right, he fell in
the draft because of the injury, and he played well
in the preseason and he's played well.
Speaker 8 (22:52):
This season, yes, and then.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
He's like taken a little I don't know if it's
a leave of absence or he's just not there and
nobody's talking about it. We haven't seen the offensive line
struggle because they're playing the Raiders who stick. Okay, Washington
a little tougher, Buffalo a little tougher. So we'll see
in the coming weeks if that offensive line can hold up,
because Colin, you know, it's easy to make the dink
and dunk passes right when the offensive line's locking. In
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the Super Bowl, there was no time for that. Jalen
Carter was in his face.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
And I don't think there are a lot of great
old lines Detroit, Philadelphia, Indianapolis, Denver.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
There's not a lot of great o lines.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
The Bears, by the way on the interior now guard
center guard, I think has become really really elite. But
the truth is most teams, I mean, Brady used to
beat you, getting rid of the ball quickly. When he
had a great deep threat, he didn't win Super Bowl.
So I've never been a big believer in the deep ball.
And the other reason I don't believe in it is
because the playoffs are January in late December, and it's
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hard to throw the ball deep in windy Kansas City, Cincinnati, Baltimore,
Buffalo weather.
Speaker 7 (23:55):
So I don't know what we're doing with gambling on
the show. But we haven't talked this game. It's up
to twelve and a half Monday Night, stay away college number.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I don't listen.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
They just smashed the Raiders thirty one zero was non competitive,
and now we got Marcus Mariota in there.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Ken Washington Hang.
Speaker 7 (24:10):
They couldn't stop Dallas at all. What makes you think
they're gonna stop KC.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
I don't wager on college numbers. That's too big for me.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
That's probably smart.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
Let's move on to Lamar Jackson Colin speaking of mysteries.
We don't know if he's gonna play this week. John
Harbaugh's playing being very coy. The Ravens obviously need him.
The Cooper Rush experience has been awful. Here's John Harbaugh
on Lamar's status for Sunday.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
It's hard to put a number on. I think it's
just part of the process right now. I really don't
have any shareable injury intelligence for you guys at this point.
What do you think of that.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
Gamesmanship?
Speaker 2 (24:51):
What are we doing here?
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Lamar's plan you feel confident with the line hasn't gone down.
If it all of a sudden goes to three and
a half today, maybe he's out, but I think he plays.
Is this a blazing five.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Or Farr shows up to practice. Maybe it is Lamar
shows up to practice on Tuesday, he's playing.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
Oh it was Wednesday yesterday. Yeah, interesting, you're considering. I'm
considering it for headlines, but I'm not considering the Bears.
And for me, this is Ravens are passed and it
sounds like they're going to be very healthy off the buy. Okay,
you've said enough by just nodding all right.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Now, Colin, This one caught me off guard. Final story.
Speaker 7 (25:31):
AJ Brown had a phenomenal game against the Vikings, and
all of a sudden, he's got a hamstring injury. Miss
practice yesterday. What I thought the Eagles were going to
be my biggest play of the week. Against the Giants.
I love them in a revenge spot here, but no
Aj Brown kind of changes things. We saw the Giant
secondary get lit up like a Christmas tree in the
fourth quarter, could not stop Bo Nicks, your guy. I
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like the Eagles here, but this Aj Brown injury kind
of mysterious. Kin the lead get healthy?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
What's going on here? I I think the league's always bad.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
I also think much like the Dodgers pitching staff, where
Snell and Glass know were eventually going to be healthy
just in time for the playoffs. I think when you
get when you're as deep as they are and you're
at home against the team, do you feel good about
why risk it? I like in a seventeen game schedule,
there's no question that NFL teams now if it's a
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go either way decision. I think we've seen this about
a half dozen times this year. It's a go either
way decision on game day and the player doesn't play.
I grew up with a fourteen game NFL schedule, then
I went to sixteen. Now at seventeen, rumor is in
two years at eighteen. I think, like a baseball or
a basketball, if a guys go either way and you
got a winning record, sity, it's not like they don't
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have offensive weapons.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Well, my only thing is Colin.
Speaker 7 (26:52):
I don't want to go overboard here, but the Dallas
Cowboys Broncos game is fascinating.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Right.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
If Dallas wins that and the Eagle somehow slip up
against the Giants, I think we could start talking about
the NFC East being a Cowboys Eagles deal. Like, well,
I think it's closer than people are talking about.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Now.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
That's how good Dallas has been. Do you not think
Dallas has a shot? I think Washington's out the schedules.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I don't think you can win a division with that
bad of defense, But I do think everybody's smushed closer
because of a bit of a coaching crisis and o
line injury crisis in Philly.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I think I thought of.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
It as Eagles way up here, Giants way down there,
and between the Giants offense and the Cowboys offense and
the regression of Washington's offense, it's all mushed together.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
How about the season opener, Dallas nearly beat Philly if
des Bryant doesn't drop a million boys, So I think
the Eagles. I know you want to play it safe, Hey,
let's sit aj Brown. I think they kind of need
him this week. You cannot mess around this Giants team, Colin.
They're frisky with your boy, Jackson.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Dart Jmack with the news.
Speaker 8 (27:58):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
News and we'll we'll keep you updated on the Terry
Rosier Chaunce Phillips story the FBI, which is what we
all woke up to this morning. So I was thinking
about this. The Ben Johnson Bears, the Caleb william Ben
Johnson Chicago Bears are really interesting and we're all kind
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of watching it whether it hits or fails. I think
it's gonna hit, but it is interesting. Ben Johnson when
he was in Detroit was with Jared Goff, and this
morning we went and looked at Ben Johnson's first six
games with Caleb Williams and his first six games with
Jared Goff, and you know what, you see identical numbers.
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Caleb just wins more so two things. Three things are
very clear. There's clearly progress with Caleb Williams and the
Bears offense this year to last. And it also proves
most of you weren't watching Jared Goff in the twenty
twenty two Lions. By the way, that Lions team, they
had Homer on Saint Brown o line PFF had at
top ten. They had Piney Sewel, they had two good
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running backs including DeAndre Swift Jabal Williams. It was a
good team. They had a lot of good players, and
they weren't very good. And nobody was watching that team,
and everybody's watching this team. The only time you watched
that Lions team last game of the year, when they
went to Lambeau and beat Aaron Rodgers and not Green
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Bay out of the playoffs, and that was Aaron's last game.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
As a Packer.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
That's when you first watched them. The difference is the Bears.
We've been watching it since June. That's when we've been
watching this Bears team. So I think, and here's the
thing is is that Caleb Williams was under a microscope
his first started at Oklahoma. I think he replaced Spencer Rattlers.
I mean it was like, oh, first start Oklahoma, then
at USC then last year, then this year. Jared Goff.
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You didn't watch them in Detroit until that game in
Green Bay. And so here are facts about Caleb Williams
and the Bears and Ben Johnson through six games. The
facts looked it up this morning. He is taking far
fewer sacks. That was my number one concern, not yards,
not touchdowns. He's taken fewer sacks. He has a higher
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passer rating, and the Bears lead the NFL in big
plays per game.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
It is working. It is absolutely working.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
It's a little rough the operational side of it's a
little clunky about twice a game. But Greg Olsen came
on the show earlier and said, it's fine right now.
Speaker 10 (30:33):
Franchises fail young quarterbacks more than young quarterbacks fail franchises,
and I think you're seeing it with what Kevin O'Connell
is doing with some of these rebirth of Sam Darnold,
who now continued it in Seattle. And you know, you're
seeing what goes on with so many of these quarterbacks
that were left for dead. It is such an important
part of all this. And then you factor in just
how young Caleb is and how fresh he is in
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his NFL career. I think there's been great Growthstely.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
We're just watching this and we didn't watch the Lions
until the following year when we all went, oh yeah,
like most of us. We're watching Stafford of the Rams
way more than golf to the Lions until that Packer game,
and then the following year they came out and you're like,
is Detroit good? What differences? We're just watching every snap
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Caleb takes less sacks, higher passer rating lead the NFL
in big plays. Can be a little clunky, but it's good.
There's no question. I'll say this.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
It's going to work.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
It's just how unrealistic are the critics this week? Ravens,
that is a test and I believe Lamarro play.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Coming up next.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
You make big money, people want big results.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
I'll talk about that next.
Speaker 8 (31:55):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays
and Noone Easter nine Amphus BNBA story.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Chauncey Billups is involved in the poker part of the
indictment Terry Rozier in the basketball part. The poker indictment
includes X ray machines built into tables to read face
down cards, contact lenses and glasses that read pre mark cards,
secret cameras, and card trays.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
This is high tech stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
And remember legalization of gambling didn't create this. It exposes
it didn't create it. It's been going on forever. So
I'm I'm for finding all the bad actors and keeping
our sports some sanctity in our sports and some purity
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to it. But legalized gambling, you're gonna get all the Puritans,
you know, rushing to tell you see, this is what
happens when you legalize gambling. Yeah, what about the Boston
College nineteen seventy scandal, Tim donaghy. It didn't create this stuff,
it's exposing it. Transparency is not a flaw, this is
a credit. We want this stuff.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
I want to.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I saw this this morning. Nick Saban apparently this weekend,
was defending James Franklin, and he went out and he said,
it's unfair what they're doing to Billy Napier, and it's
unfair what they're doing to James Franklin. I wouldn't have
fired James Franklin either, because he won thirteen.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Games last year.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
But in any business, the more the bigger that business gets,
including college football, the more pressure and the more pressure
to win quickly. And everybody keeps telling me, well, the
players are making big money. Now, that's made it harder. Well,
the coaches are also making nine, ten to eleven million
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dollars a year, win more games faster. I wouldn't have
fired James Franklin, but he did go four and twenty
one against top ten teams and a one in fifteen
against top five teams.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
You gotta win more of those games. Apier.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
It was time Billy Napier lost to South Florida. If
you're at the University of Florida, you can't lose to
directional schools in Florida. He was also a guy had
a worse record he's in year four than Dan Mullin,
who got whacked. So again, I hear about, oh, the
players making money. Do you know what the average player
in college football makes? Less than ten thousand dollars. The
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coaches are making that by lunch on Monday. Okay, coaches
are making ten million dollars and eleven million dollars beat
good teams. If you coach Penn State, you can't go
four in twenty one against top ten teams. You gotta
be closer to five hundred. I'm not saying you have
to do a Saban or a Pete Carroll at LSU.
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You can't go four in twenty one, can't go one
in fifteen against top ten teams. So the bigger the money,
the bigger the expectations.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
More is more.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
You get more money, players get more money, there's more pressure.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
You gotta win more games. More is more.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
And with that, Chris sim Is joining US former Texas
Longhorn quarterback eight years in the NFL. I mean, I
look at Texas and Sark. I think he's safe. I
think he's a great coach. But you know that school
arch has struggled. Do you think Sark's feeling heat at Texas?
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Well, he's feeling heat because of the expectations. I mean
maybe the number one team in the country. They spent
a lot of money on anil to emphasize that, and
of course they have a quarterback that everybody thought was
going to be the number one pick in the draft. Right,
So he's feeling the heat just because, Hey, that's a
major program and it's the biggest thing in the city
of Austin, and it's almost like an NFL team as
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far as the attention it gets from a big city.
But I don't think he has to worry about, like
feeling the heat as far as job security that I
don't think, No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Okay, USC four years in offense is snazzy and fun.
Defense isn't physical consistently can't run road games in the
Big Ten. Do you think there should be heat on
Lincoln Riley today?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Oh, one hundred percent. I never really understand that marriage there.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Lincoln Riley does not seem like a Southern cal Los
Angeles type of guy. I do believe help or that
helps in the college football setting a little bit, So yeah,
I don't. And then the course, like to your point,
I mean, yes, it's fun, wow, great passing yards, but
what's that mean.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
It doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
They're not capable of playing, Like you said, Big ten
football defense is a little bit better this year, but
certainly nothing special, right and yet I've seen nothing or
no inkling so far to go ooh, watch out. They
got a ton of talent coming up the pipes here.
I know the recruiting class next year is supposed to
be pretty good, but come on, it's USC. You know,
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Colin Forever, if there was ten good players in the
state of California, you were like, well, the top nine are.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Going to USC.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
If there was fifteen on the West Coast, you were like, well,
thirteen of them are going to the USC. That's not happening,
so that would concern me.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Ohio State. I've watched every game, almost every game they've played,
and my takeaway is the defense is too good for
ninety nine percent of college offenses.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I don't know what they'll do to in the end.
It's just too fast.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
The windows you're allowed to throw in against them are
NFL windows.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
They're tiny little windows. What do you see? I see that.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
I think Ohio States the best team in college football.
I don't really think it's close, all right, because of
what you said. The talent, right, Matt Patricia has brought
that defense to a different stratosphere with some NFL concepts
and things where I think a lot of college football
is like, WHOA, what the hell is this coverage? I
don't know what to do. I think that's part of
Texas's problem. I think that this defense put out a
(37:36):
few ways of how to defend that offense, and people
have copied that a little bit. But yes, between that
and Colin, here's the other aspect. We know. The offense
is awesome. The quarterback, the receivers, the running back, all
of that. Their running game is legit. They haven't even
had to be creative in a game. Yet they're literally like,
we're gonna run here, and then they run here, They're like,
Jeremiah's here, he's gonna be open, We're gonna throw to him.
(37:57):
So I don't think they've even had to like dive
deep into the pipe book as far as creativity to
this point.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yet, finally, you know, quarterback? Who is the best college
quarterback you've seen?
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Now?
Speaker 1 (38:07):
This past week against SC Carr didn't play well. Who
have you seen? Is it enoughs Meyer or Dante Moore?
Is it Mendoza?
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Who do you like?
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Yeah, there's a lot of good ones out there. Mendoza
certainly catches my eye. Dante Moore to me looks like,
you know, I don't know if it's ready for him
to come out this year, but he certainly has top
ten type of talent to me in the draft. Same
with Fernando Madus Mendoza. Jaydon Mayaba of USC's really talented.
The best quarterback though I've seen this year is Ty
(38:38):
Simpson of Alabama. When I talk about big throws, pushing
the ball down the field, throwing the ball into tight windows,
all that, I'm going to give him the belt right now.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
But there is a lot of good college football players.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
I like neus Meyer Colin, but he has not looked
the same as last year. And I've heard and I
know he's kind of battling through some injuries. I think
he's got a little oblique issue there all together. But
for my money right now, it would be Ty Simpson.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Yeap, Kaylin de Boor did it with Michael Pennix after
those injuries. Right, there's no question the coach always helps
with a quarterback. It could be Bo Nicks or Sean Payton,
Kaylin de Boor and Ty Simpson. Chris Sims on a
rush day for us because of a little story that
broke between the FBI and the NBA. Chris is, Oh,
it's great seeing you.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Good seeing you, buddy, have a good one. Enjoy the weekend,
all right, man?
Speaker 10 (39:24):
All right?
Speaker 1 (39:25):
So his dad a couple of weeks ago on the show,
Chris Simms today thoughts on Cooper flag Greg co Sell
on a Thursday, This is not.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Your typical Thursday in the herd.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
We led with something we hope not to lead with
ever again, not a great day for Adam Silver in
the NBA. Don't accusations, don't know what to make poker
NBA problems, greg Co Soman,
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