Colin Cowherd breaks down one of the biggest stories in football — how Caleb Williams has transformed from a disappointing rookie to an elite NFL quarterback under head coach Ben Johnson, as the Chicago Bears surge into the NFC playoff race
It might be a good idea to keep Bill Belichick far away from Jaxson Dart
Colin also ranks the NFL quarterbacks in line for massive contract extensions — is Drake Maye showing true franchise potential? Can Bo Nix continue to deliver in the clutch?
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
There we go. It is a Wednesday, We're in Chicago.
Beautiful day Live. It's The Herd wherever you may be,
however you may be listening, whatever platform it is. Thanks
for making enough part of your day. Joel Platt in
one hour, got another look the college football rankings, which
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becomes the college football Playoff. You know I saw this
morning certain things that just make you smile. If you
saw this j Mac, you know, the highest graded quarterback
in the NFL the last two weeks.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Of course, let me get a guess. I'll go Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
That's interesting, isn't this funny?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Highest rated PFF quarterback all year as a former Trojan
and currently the hottest USC Trojan.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I'm telling you they're coming back telling you so.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I was thinking about this success.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
In any field.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Any field can be law education, it's mostly masonry, one
brick at a time. Great parenting isn't the weekend birthday parties.
It's Monday through Friday, seven to eight to seven p.
Caleb Williams was flashy last year. Caleb Williams is still
flashy this year. But you want to know why he's
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the highest credded quarterback. It's all the masonry. He proves
that young talented quarterbacks, even super hyper talented quarterbacks, they
just need a base line of support and common sense.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Ben Johnson takes.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
This job, does he say, Caleb, I want more zany
flashy plays.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
No.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
The first thing he addresses, we got to get better
at guard center guard. Not even the most dynamic offensive
line positions, the big uglies in the middle of the
old line. They get Jonah Jackson, Drew Dolman. They get
Joe Toney guard center guard. The second thing he says, Hey,
I gotta ask you something, Caleb, can you not run backwards?
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I want to eliminate the negative plays and the pre
stat penalties. Two basic masonry laying brick needs. And suddenly
he's the hottest quarterback in the league. Because when you're
not first and fifteen or first and twenty or second
in twenty eight. Because you got sacked running backwards, you
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run the ball better, and you run the ball more often,
and that helps the quarterback. Now, Patrick Mahomes the way
he entered the league Hall of Fame coach, great GM,
great owner, Hall of Fame, tight end, Pro Bowl wide receiver.
That car had no flat tires, and Caleb entered the
Bears with eber flues and that staff and the battle line.
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Their were four flat tires. But Caleb was not terrible
last year. He was wildly flashy. Twenty touchdown, six picks.
It's all the little stuff that makes great parenting and
great quarterback. Yeah, we have much better protection guard, center guard.
We don't have any negative plays pre snap stuff. What
did Belichick say about Brady?
Speaker 4 (03:38):
What Tom?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
You're always playing in front of the sticks. It's never
first and fifteen, it's never second and twenty two. Move
the ball ahead. Because the wild dynamic running thing that
is really really easy for Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
That's in eight, that's natural. That's gonna come.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Caleb's success this year is a on all the minutia
of the NFL. Guard play, no pre snap penalties. Last week,
Minnesota at eight. Last week, the Rams had no penalties
either side. Efficiency matters whether you're at Meta Fox Sports
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of the Bears. The Bears are just more They're more efficient,
they're more stable. I was looking at Caleb Williams passer rating.
Last year it was eighty eight. This year it's ninety two.
You look at yards per attempt six point three to
seven point three, it's not that different. The one thing
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you see of the sacks, no negative plays. Therefore you
can establish a run game. Therefore you're throwing on play accent.
You couldn't run the ball last year for Chicago between
the sacks and the pre snap stuff. You were throwing
it because you had to throw it. Now you throw
it because you want to throw it. Totally different. But
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as Greg Olsen said, yeahyesterday, you know, the hyper athletic stuff,
that's just who he is. He'll always have that. What
he needed was a grown up coach to do the
small stuff.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
When things break down in today's NFL, which is going
to be often past protection is very difficult. The rushers
are very good.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Scheme is good.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
You have to have a quarterback that can make second,
second level plays, meaning it's not the initial read it's
not the initial timing. I got a playoff script. He
can do that as well as anyone. As they continue
to get him into more of the on time rhythm
component of Ben Johnson's drop that game. If that continues
to develop, that's what Chicago thought they were drafting last year.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, Caleb brings the sizzle, right, he brings the sizzle.
Ben Johnson just brought in a better stake. Success is
largely masonry in every field, one brig at a time,
the little stuff. So I've always had a rule on
my show basically, I have opinions, and you can have
(06:03):
opinion on my opinion, but I'm not going to have
an opinion on your opinion on my opinion. I'll make
an exception because I think this is instructive. So I
said the other day, I said, Micah Parsons is a
stud athlete, but through the years. This summer, I had
a conversation with a general manager and he said, don't
be surprised if Dallas moves off him even though he's
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in his prime, because he's not a versatile player. He's
a great athlete and a great player, and he's going
to be a Hall of Famer. But the Cowboys try
to use him at linebacker and it didn't work. He
doesn't have fast eyes. He's one of those classic Hassan
Reddick was this. He's a much better player than Hassan Reddick.
See quarterback, go get him, sea ball, go get it.
There's no knock on that. He's a world class athlete. Well,
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he didn't like when I said that. He put up
a tweet yesterday and said, hey, we just held Saquon
Barkley to sixty rushing yards. Our only losses have been
holding teams to thirteen points. Man, Sometimes, can y'all please
just blankety blank stop giving people mics or listening to trash.
So let me just say this about your great job
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against Saquon Barkley. Seven of nine Philadelphia Eagle games this year,
Saquon Barkley has rushed for sixty yards or less. The
Dallas Cowboys held them to sixty yards. The Eagles can't
run the football this year. That wasn't great defense. That
is the inability due to injuries and other reasons. Philly
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can't run the ball this year. That's why they're not
as dominant. That was not a great packer performance. It
was a consistent Eagles run game performance. So the Cowboys
defense last year with Micah thirty first, the Cowboys defense
this year without Micah thirty first, and again. But the
argument here isn't about who's right me or Micah. It's
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this is instructive. There are certain players in the NFL,
very very infrequent professional athletes that do a bunch of
stuff well. Wemby ballhand hit, a three block, a shot,
post move, Jokinsch can do everything. Best passer on the Nuggets,
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best post guy in the Nuggets, best rebounder mostly on
the Nuggets.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Best shooter at times on the Nuggets. That is rare.
O Tawani can do everything.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Most baseball players, the great ones are Freddie Freeman, man
can he hit Otani can do everything, Yo Kitchen, Wemby
are versatile. Luca is a great scorer. Carmelo Anthony was
a great score. He wasn't a great playmaker, a great defender,
a great rebounder. Melo and Luke are great scores. And
that for great players, even great players, that's it. Christian
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McCaffrey's a versatile player. V Jon Robinson's a versatile player.
Adrian Peterson was just a great running back, Micah is
essentially Tyreek Hill for the record, both traded in their prime.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Tyreek Hill has never been a great block.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
He doesn't run great routes, but he'll probably make the
Hall of Fame because man, he is great with the
deep ball. But Andy Reid moved off him. Brett Veach,
arguably second best gem in the league, moved off him.
They moved off him in his prime, and the Cowboys
moved off Mike in his prime. Cleveland's not moving off
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Miles Garrett. Raiders aren't moving off Max Crosby. Steelers aren't
moving off TJ.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Watt. Why because those are versatile at rushers.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Mike is not in his run with alas Cowboys, they
were twenty third against the run, they got sacks, they
got pressure, they were twenty third against the run. So
what Micah is? He's Tyreek Hill. Both traded in their prime.
Both unbelievable, Both will probably make the Hall of Fame.
Both highly productive. But Tyreek Hill isn't Larry Fitzgerald. Okay,
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Larry Fitzgerald could Drake London maybe the best red zone receiver.
He can be an underneath receiver. Drake London can block
Blake Drake London can be a deep threat. Drake London
can be anything you want him to be. Larry Fitzgerald
can be anything. Tyreek just goes deep. Micah is a
sea ball sea quarterback. Get it, and that has unbelievable value.
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But the Cowboys tritament linebacker. I was told bad GM
doesn't have great eyes. Can't put him in the coverage.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
It's not what he does.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
And by great standards, nine percent great athletes, not just
average guy. The great ones are more Freddie Freeman than Otani.
They're more Carmelo than Yo Kitcher Wemby. They're more Tyreek
and Micah than Miles Garrett or Larry Fitzgerald or Christian
McCaffrey or Bjon Robinson, Kyle Hamilton jsend for the Seahawks.
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You can put him on the sideline. You can put
him in the slot. Remember the late Aaron Hernandez. He
can play like six positions. Gronk's a tight end. Okay,
Gronk is a tight end. Aaron hernandezoul put him in
the backfield. You could put him in the slot, you
could put him anywhere. So it's not a shot. It's
instructive on Micah. Mike is what he's always been, stud athlete,
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five star recruit, disruptive pass rusher, and Tyreek Hill is
always what he was man can he get deep fast?
But very rarely do you get a player, even an
old timer, that does a bunch of stuff. Well, Christian
McCaffrey does so many things better than Adrian Peterson. But
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if you told me I needed two yards and somebody
to run over a linebacker, I'd probably take Adrian Peterson.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Got Belichick New York Giant rumors, I believe it or not,
Belichick New York Giant rumors. I'm gonna quiz everybody this
hour on the show, because we always talk about this
with young quarterbacks. How it's not linear, it's bumpy, it's up,
it's down. Who's your coach, who's your office of line.
It's very interesting. I'm going to ask everybody watching our
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show today. You're the general manager, and I'm going to
give you every quarterback under twenty five, twenty five or under.
I'm gonna give you every one, and by the end
of today you have to decide on a two hundred
and fifty million dollar extension. Today's the last day you
get two guys who would be your two Just kind
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of throw it out there. I'm gonna give you a
couple of minutes to study the midterm every quarterback twenty
five and undred. You're the GM today at the end
of the business day, you have to make a decision
on those twelve young quarterbacks. Two you get a signed today.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
You have to.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
So there's twelve.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
It's about twelve.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I'll look at the number again, justin Herbert one of them. No, no, no,
he's now eclipsed.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Then he said, claps twenty five.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
Okay, this is setting up so that Caleb Williams is
one of the two.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Obviously, Yes, yes.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
I can tell already. You love the Bears and Caleb Williams.
Now you got me worried. I had liked the Bears
against the Vikings. But this is soliloquy you started off with.
I am a little nervous. I think JJ McCarthy shows
up big this weekend.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Oh okay, good luck.
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I'm gonna ask you to be the general manager. Before
the end of the hour. You have to pay a
quarterback two hundred and fifty million, one hundred and forty
of it guaranteed twenty five and under quarterbacks. Who would
you give it to? So the Giants fired their head
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coach on Monday during the show, and I said, two
coaches feel pretty obvious to me, Mike McCarthy and Lane Kiffin.
Lane Kiffin coach Jackson Dart in college, the Giants quarterback,
and Mike McCarthy works with every quarterback, even one games
with Cooper Rush. A lot of pushback on that either.
(14:41):
You know, Lane's a college guy, which I think college
and pro football look very similar today. They didn't fifteen
years ago, and Mike McCarthy gets more crap for a
guy that won a Super Bowl than any coach ever.
Bill Belichick's name is surfaced. Belichick was asked about it
as Carolina prepares for their next game, getting.
Speaker 8 (15:00):
Ready for Wait course, that's all I got this week.
Speaker 9 (15:05):
Has anyone asks you the players or recruits want to
know about the future.
Speaker 8 (15:10):
I have been asked about it from Tom to Ton.
But yeah, I look, I've been done this real before.
I'm focused on Wait Force. That's it, and that's my
commitment of this team. And next week it'll be to
our next opponent, and so for Worth. But you know
I'm here to do best I can.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
With this team.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Listen, I have defended Belichick's relationship with one twenty year old.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
I just don't. I'm not going to give him Jackson
Dart too.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Okay, No, I think you can look at Belichick as
the world has changed in football, and you can look
at one player, Mac Jones. This is what worries me.
When Mac Jones was in New England and Josh McDaniels
was there, he made a Pro Bowl. Mac Jones this year,
with Kyle Shanahan has been the best bridge slash backup.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Quarterback in the league. Last week he was thirty three.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
At thirty nine, he can really place the franchise quarterback.
When Josh left took the Raiders job and Bill had him,
he was awful, unplayable, as many turnovers as touchdowns. So
there is a formula that works with young quarterbacks. And
it's not saddled up side a seventy four year old
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defensive coach.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
And so I know Lane Kiffin and Mike McCarthy aren't
that attractive, but there's a formula to this. And I
know Bill was great, but be very careful about memories
and lore and tradition. We love, love to glamorize and
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romanticize sports, and we just do. Baseball over the last
two years has grown because of one reason. They stop
looking in the rear view mirror. They just made all
sorts of changes looking through the windshield. Baseball is on
a two year heater and basketball. By the way, Basketball's
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ratings are up well. They put more games on NBC,
they have more partners, They've made their product more available,
not just on cable new contract. The NFL does a
better job than any sport in my lifetime of always
upgrading rules. So I mean Tom Brady's last two years
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in New England. Tom Brady had fifty three touchdowns first
two years in Tampa.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
In the eighties.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
So go look at Mac Jones, a young quarterback and
the greatest quarterback young and old in their years with
Belichick when he had Remember Belichick in New England at
the end, was controlling personnel. Tom had nobody to throw to.
When Josh McDaniels was there for Mac Jones, Mac Jones
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was excellent.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
I mean for a young.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Guy that's not super athletic, team is very good pro bowler.
So that's my issue with Belichick. Maybe he could work
with a stable quarterback or a stable culture.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
I don't want him near my young quarterback. Just not interested.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
McCarthy, Lane Kiffin heartbeat Bill may be a legend, but
it's rear view mirror stuff to me.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Jmckle the news, Turn on the.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
News, this is the herdline news, all right.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Colin a few weeks ago, I said I was really
sick of Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Then they beat the Colts and then.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
You saw what happened last weekend, another brutal loss to
the Chargers. Colin, they're fading fast, specifically Aaron Rodgers fifty.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Two completions against the Chargers.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
I mean, Colin, that's the worst for Rogers in quite
some time. With the Ravens on their heels in the
AFC Norths, Mike Tomlin somehow is not worried about his
quarterbacks poor play.
Speaker 10 (18:53):
I'm not going to, you know, chalk it up to
an off night, but there are no long term concerns.
I'm just not going to allow your words to be
my words.
Speaker 9 (19:01):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
It's right.
Speaker 10 (19:04):
Sunday night was what it was, but I have no
long term reservations about his ability to play the position
and play the position at a high level for us.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
It's my second favorite bet of the week is the
Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 11 (19:19):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I like, first of all, they got they got beat
on Thursday by the Bengals. They're salty, They're a better
team at home. Cincinnati is not very good. They're coming
off an ugly loss, Aaron's worst game, and the Chargers
actually are pretty good. I think I think Pittsburgh will
rebound and they'll win comfortably against the really bad team
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in the Bengals. Steelers aren't a bad team. They've got
holes and liabilities and weaknesses. They still can't run the
ball seven years in a row, but Pittsburgh will throttle Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Interesting.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
So, uh, Bengals, you saw the big news this week, right,
Joe Burrow returning. At some point, he's back at practice.
I wonder if embattled coach Zach Taylor can use us
as a rally and cry, hey, Joe's coming back. We
just got to pick.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Up a win or two.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
We steal one here.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
We already beat these chumps, right, we're right back in
the wild card race. I wonder if with a bye week,
this is a huge motivational space for the Cincinnati Bagels gone?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Why not? Why not us?
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Everybody in the as he's losing the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Tomlin's issue has always been he's a terrible Thursday night coach.
So when they got beat by Cincinnati, you and I
talked about this. Tomlin's great on Monday night football, He's
terrible on Thursday night football. So now we're back to
a normal week, not a short week. Pittsburgh's got the
better the better roster, the better quarterback, home field advantage,
better coach.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah, I think I think Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Here's what we know about Pittsburgh, we don't know what
they are week to week. Don't forget the two weeks
ago they destroyed the Colts at home.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
That's oh, wait a minute, the Colts turned over six times.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Come on, they didn't handle them the ball. They earned
some of those turnovers.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Daniel Jones kind of the ball.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
A couple of times.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
But the other thing on the Bengals gone these divisional
matchups second time around. There's some data that shows later
in the season these games are closer because of the
familiarity between the coaching staffs the teams. I would be
careful the number is five and a half. It's a
pass for me. Plus, you know I love to root
against Aaron Rodgers. Next story, let's go to Detroit and Philly.
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This is a great Sunday night football matchup. I gotta
be honest, I'm a little surprised this is only two
and a half. A lot of respect in the market
for the Lions. Yeah, I mean hell, when you smash
Washington and score on seven straight possessions, you have to
Dan Campbell, very excited for the matchup, knows the margins
will be thin.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
In a clash of NFC powers.
Speaker 9 (21:50):
This is a heavyweight. This is a heavyweight match, and ma'am,
one misstep can cost you this game. Now, that shouldn't
make you type, that shouldn't make you play conservative. Just understand, man,
it's going to take all three units and every play.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Man.
Speaker 9 (22:09):
You got to give it your full attention and lay
it on the freaking line. You can't ask for anything better.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I like Philadelphia. It was one and a half. I
like them more than I do two and a half.
But I think Philadelphia knows what they are. It's flawed,
but they know what they are. I would worry that
Dan Campbell had to take over play calling duties last week.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
That's weird. Don't love that. He loves a hire. Don't
love that.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
So I just you know.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
I know Detroit just played outdoors against Washington, but historically
that Dome team going outdoors, it's just not as speedy
of a team. I'm trying to saint Brown, not as fast, Gibbs,
not as fast. Now the Eagles are off the night
game again a short week right.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Against the Packers. That was a tough one.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
I got to check the injuries and the weather as well.
But I don't see why. I mean, you remember when
Detroit went outdoors against the Chiefs. It's just not the
same team, right, I don't know. Just to me, seems
like a slam dunk Eagles. Maybe I'm missing something. Maybe
there's an injury. I didn't see Monday Night.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
One and a half one and a half. It was
a top three bet of the week. I thought Philadelphia
minus one and a half is up to two and
a half.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Philadelphia is the play here.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, final story, Colin and I love this one.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
The Dallas Mavericks obviously fired their GM Nico Harrison after
the worst trade in NBA history.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Well, now it's getting real spicy.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
There is an NBA writer named John Hollinger who is
floating the idea, hey man, Dallas ain't going to the
playoffs this year. Kyrie's not coming back. Build around Cooper
Flag trade. Anthony Davis put him on the market, see
what picks you can get, and essentially, you.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Know the fan base.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I'm sure you saw.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I talked about this on my podcast.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
Cooper Flag's mom was basically retweeted someone endorsing firing Nico
Harrison because the whole arena is booing during the game, and.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
She's like, why do we have.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
To put up with this crap, essentially the Nico Harrison trade.
There's just a stench lingering. And I hate to say it,
but Anthony Davis was.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Part of that trade.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Yeah, and I almost think you kind of have to
move him just to move on from that trade. Right,
you fired Nico, Now you got to move ad. I'm
putting you on the spot here, but do you have
any landing spots for Anthony Davis? And oh, by the way,
no Laker fan wants him back, Just to put that
out there, I don't. He's still a little overweight, he's
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still injured. I think he's coming back this week.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
They expect No. I thought, I see efensively, he's.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Really good, I said two weeks ago on the show.
I watched two Mavericks games. He looked heavy. It did
not look like he was in great shape. So and
that earlier in his career had been an issue. Yeah,
I mean, I just think Dallas, it just kind of
smells as a franchise.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
It was a bad move.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I always said, if you want to trade Luca, then
you got to get three first round picks. Anthony Davis,
Max Fris maybe in Austin Reeves. They didn't get enough.
I'm not anti trading in, but you got to get
more because I do think the drafts going forward. This
next draft, by the way, oh no, it's one of
the best drafts in a decade. I mean the top
three picks are like can't miss guys, the Kansas Wing,
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the Boozer Kid BYU Star like this. The nil is
going to make all these NBA drafts going forward much
more fortified, much better drafts, much thicker at the top
eight or nine guys that can't miss. I was okay
moving Luca if I got Austin Reeves three first round
picks and Ad they just didn't get enough, and then
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when everybody got hurt, then it makes the trade look disastrous.
So I'm not one of these you know when they
when the Chiefs traded a Tyreek Hill, Oh my god,
or Micah getting traded. Dallas' defense was bad this year,
it's bad last year. I'm I'm for trades, but you
got to get more than the Mavericks got.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
The problem Colent, I don't think the Mavericks can go
out there and be like, oh, we're going to get
to first for Ad. I'm sorry, I don't think that
I don't think anything close to that. I mean, I
don't want to say you sell them on pennies on
the dollar, but using your theory, if something's not working,
you just got to make.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Them just cut bait.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
They might just have to take a poop poo platter
of guys. And you know, a not great first and
a second round pick for Anthony Davis, who again at
the height of his powers, he's a really good, impactful
defensive player.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
J Mack with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
That's the heard Line news.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
So I was thinking about this, ask yourself, what draft picks.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Did we think.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
We're going to be pretty sensational players and they really
haven't delivered. I'll give you a list. Travis Hunter with
the Jags, Ashton Jenny with the Raiders, and Cam Ward
with the Titans, and those are dynamic players and they
didn't do anything. So there's a story. Travis Hunter. They
shut him down for the year. He had two hundred
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and ninety eight yards this year one touchdown. Do you
really think Travis Hunter if he went to the Chiefs,
the Rams of the Ravens would have under three hundred yards.
That would be I mean marginal defensive player, really talented.
So that's whenever I hear, oh, the Jets in Cleveland
have a bunch of first round picks, My take is
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that's just giving money in the family to the one
guy that's irresponsible with money. The Jacks screw everything up.
The Browns, Jets, they screw everything up. I don't want
to hear about all your first round picks. By the way,
what rookies have actually been really good?
Speaker 11 (27:40):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Will Campbell going to Vrabel and Robert Kraft the Patriots. Oh,
Tyler Warren going to Shane Stike in great GM Colts.
Oh a Mecca at MUKA Tampa is a playoff team.
Oh Gray Zabel Seattle, well run, I mean, go look
at the first round. But he said, oh cam Ward
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and Travis they're going to be unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Look where they went.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
The guys that are actually good is the first guy
that went to Mike Frable. Now I will say tam
Mac to the receiver in Carolina. They're dysfunctional, though less
so today than two years ago. He's pretty good. But
when I hear about all these draft picks, go look
at Travis Hunter. This whole flyer on cornerback is dumb.
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He's a wide receiver. It's an offensive league.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Get him the ball.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Fourteen targets, eleven catches, two jet sweeps, one reverse. He's
a super talented player, but he's a receiver and a
return man.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Get him out of corner.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Go look at the we thought Ashton genty was going
to be unbelievable. Travis Hunter and Cam Ward, a lot
of these guys are super talented. They went to franchises
that don't know what to do with the money, don't
know what to do with the talent. Bummer, But it's true. Okay,
you're the general manager. You're the general manager. You have
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until the end of today to give quarterbacks a two
hundred fifty million dollar contract.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
One hundred and forty of it's guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
We'll throw all the twenty five and under quarterbacks out
there and show you how difficult these decisions are.
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Speaker 1 (29:51):
So Chase Daniel was talking the other day on a podcast,
and he knows the Sean Payton Saints Denver system very
well offensively, and he said when he watches bon Nicks,
he sees somebody that just doesn't He's not seeing it.
He's not seeing the stuff that's open. But it's interesting.
Everybody's good at spending somebody else's money. But if you
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are a GM, and this is what gms go through.
I mean, Cleveland sat down in a room and said,
Baker's driving us crazy. We know he's talented, we're gonna
let him go. They probably regret it now. Minnesota, you know,
do we keep Sam? We pay him this, we let
him go, Minnesota regrets it. So Stefanski's really smart, Kevin
O'Connell's really smart. And they let go of Baker Mayfield
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and Sam Darnold and now they're Pro Bowl level quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
The stuff is hard.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
It's easy when you get somebody on a discount, they're
on a rookie contract, you know, or you're spending somebody
else's money. But if I said, you're the general manager
and knowing that the minute you pay a quarterback big money,
the roster will not look the same. Like, for instance,
if you paid Caleb Williams two hundred and ninety million
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dollars today, new contract. We gotta let dj Moore go.
We gotta let Joe Tony go. We can't pay for
all of it, can't can't get you gotta let now.
I got Roma Dunza and I'll still have Drew Dolman
and Jonah Jackson. I probably got let Joe Tuney go.
Kansas City had to let Joe Tuny go with protecting mahomes.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
They had to let him go guard.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Okay, So all these things considered, here are the quarterbacks
in the NFL twenty five and under.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
There's a eleven. Okay.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
So if I said you have until the end of
the business day today to make a decision two hundred
ninety three hundred million dollar contract, half of it guaranteed,
who are the three you would take? The easy one
is Drake May. Drake May wasn't great last year. He
was lousy in the opener against the Raiders, but the
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last eight nine weeks that's a franchise quarterback. Drake May,
He's the easy one. You need three total. The next
two I would take our CJ. Stroud, who's hurt again
and his passer rating the last two years is eighty nine,
eight great, not really a starter eighty nine. And the
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next I would take his Kleb and his two years
in the NFL year and a half, his passer rating
hovers around ninety not great, okay. So and even with
Ben Johnson it's like ninety two and a half that's
not great. I'd like upper nineties, okay. So the three
twenty five and under, and for our radio audience, I'll
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read you the quarterbacks. Jaden Daniels, Okay, I can't. He's
hurt for the fourth time a year and a half
in Jackson Dart lives in the blue tent. JJ McCarthy
obvious reasons. Michael Pennix junior hurt in college. Looks really
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really disappointing so far. Brock perty Small hurt again. Max
Jones went thirty three at thirty nine last weekend. Has
has brought every done that we're just asking, uh cam Ward,
who knows Bryce Young probably not going to extend him.
So you start looking at all these my three one
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with no hesitation as Drake May the next two c
J Stroud has a couple of playoff wins, hurt again,
ninety passer rating last two years. I would resign him
and Caleb because I think with Ben we're getting a
truer version of himself and it's about a ninety two
passer rating. But everybody bangs on bon Nicks. Let me
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remind you of Bononix. Two things I want to remind
you of. In the fourth quarter this season, he's basically
number one at everything, first downs, game winning drives, total touchdown,
second yards, really good in the fourth quarter for the record,
So it is Caleb. The second thing is he's durable.
He never gets hurt. Go look at that list again.
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Jackson Dart hurt, Jayden Daniels hurt, Bryce Young hurt, c
J Strout hurt, everybody's hurt.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Everybody's banged up.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
BONICKX and Caleb Williams and Drake May, they don't get hurt.
Sean Payton this week on Bonnicks and speeding up his game.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Internally, I think it's a plus and a minus.
Speaker 11 (34:31):
I've said that before. I think one of his great
strengths is not taken sacks, and so the clock in
his head relative to that sense of urgency. So I
think there is a fine line. I think that a
much easier problem to correct than the latter, which is
taking the sacks, and historically speaking, has proven to be
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much more difficult to fix.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah, so he's probably letting go of the ball a stepper,
not a step late. He's playing a little fast, a
little frenetic. But you I'm always amazed by people that
overlook durability. How many times is brock Purdy gonna be hurt?
How many times is Jackson Dark gonna go to the
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blue tenth? Bonis never gets hurt, Caleb Williams never gets hurt.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
I need my guys there.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
So, like I said this about mac Jones, Mac Jones,
I don't see a lot of injuries. Brock Purdy hurt
again all the time. I don't know how you can
overlook that. Cam Ward, it's almost unfair to put him
in there. He has no support. He could be really
good eventually. But if I said, you got to pick
three guys and you gotta write the check, knowing when
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you write the check, you gotta let people go. Now,
Drake May you can sign that check. They're not paying anybody,
so they wouldn't have to let people go. Travon Henderson rookie,
Kyle Williams receiver, rookie. So they're in a good space.
Will Campbell left can't tackle rookie. They're in a really
good space. But Caleb if you sign him, or CJ.
Stroud if you sign him, you gotta let people go.
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So bow Knicks, everybody's banging on bow Knicks. Durable wins
games great in the fourth quarter. What is Caleb this year?
Durable wins games great in the fourth quarter. I'm sorry
for me. I'm into that. I've worked with people in
this industry that are really talented, they're just not dependable.
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High and low don't get them every day. We talked
about masonry, So I don't know. You don't have to
like bo Knicks and how it looks. He's the best
fourth quarterback in the league right now. He's never hurt
and he wins games. He's eighteen and nine in a
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division with Mahomes and Herbert and Harbaugh, Spags, Andy Reid.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
I know that's a very disappointing segment for you.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
This is an awesome segment. I love this idea. So
I'm going to break it down for you where I
agree and disagree. So I think let's process of elimination
right off the bat. You can eliminate three guys. They're
not in the mix. Bryce Young out, Michael Pennix out
bow knicks out those three guys, and you.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
And I don't agree on that. I like the durable
guy that wins the games.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
Well again, you know we have two years worth of
data and his numbers are not good at all. Yes,
he has been able to finagle some wins with Sean Payton,
beat a lot of bad teams, but I would eliminate
bo Nicks. Not enough data so far. Kim Ward, I
don't think you can make a decision. Jackson Dart, I
know we love him, but can't make a decision. And
JJ McCarthy, you cannot. You just he's had four starts, okay,
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So that leaves five guys for do you.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Want two or three spots?
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Three spots?
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Okay? Drake May I.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
Think you're right based on the two years we've seen.
I think he's in. I do believe you're missing on
brock Purty. And why is that Colin? Because he's played
more than all these guys. Brock Perty has played way
more games than Caleb Williams, more wins, but you love
obviously more touchdown more games. He had two game winning
drives in the postseason two years ago. I know Caleb
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has four this year. WHOA Rock Purdy has two in
the playoffs. Okay, Purdy has as yards per attempt or
eight point eight in his career. Caleb Williams only six
point eight. Lot of dink and dunk. So I think
Rock Purty's a lock. I think Brock Purty is after
Drake May. And then you go between Caleb Stroud and
date Jayden Daniels, and Caleb has looked good. But con
(38:31):
do you think you're being a little emotional? You now
moved to Chicago. Caleb's on a heater.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
If I told you you'd never seen anybody play, I said,
I'm gonna give you this significantly better athlete who never
gets hurt.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Well, no, he doesn't never get hurt. He just hasn't
been hurt.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
I mean he's played like twenty five games or something.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Caleb didn't get hurt last year. He didn't get hurt
in college, he didn't get hurt in high school. He's
not hurt this year. If I told you you did
with brock Purty and Caleb Williams. You'd never seen him play.
I said, one guy much better arm, also significantly more
athletic and way more durable.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
Not a GM in the league that would take brock
per Yes. Now here's the big thing with Caleb. So
last year he didn't look good at all. Numbers were horrible,
body language.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Let's stop, let's stop.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Twenty touchdowns, six picks, and a passer rating close to ninety.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
It wasn't well, those are three numbers. There's a billion
numbers that go into the equation. But he changed coaches
and upgraded to Ben Johnson.
Speaker 6 (39:30):
So now he has basically brock Perty has Skyle Shanahan
and Caleb has Ben Johnson.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
And brock Perty's data compared to Caleb's so far is
night and day. Rock Purty's been the better quarterback by
almost every metric.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
When he has more starts, and he has a veteran coach,
and he has Christian McCaffrey as em mccaffe and he's
hurt all the time, and he's hurt again and mac
Jones just put up a Sunday better than any brock
Purty ever did from the pocket.
Speaker 6 (40:00):
I mean Tyson bagent filled in last year and was
like capable, Remember he had a starter or too low.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
I think nobody, nobody thinks I know Tyson Bageit is
Caleb mac Jones last week. That's a better that's a
better Sonny in the pocket than brock pertty never had
thirty three to thirty nine with backups.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
Just by the completion for cents. Listen, I get it,
you're out on pretty. He had the shoulder injury in
the playoffs and then the toe thing this year. I mean,
if he's injury prone, I don't know what joke that
makes Joe Burrow injuries happened though, I mean, come on,
Jaden Daniels flukey putting his arm down hyper extended.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Mahomes is never hurt, and Josh Allen's not hurt, and
Caleb's not hurt, and bo Nix isn't hurt, and Eli
Manning didn't get hurt. And I mean the truth is
most of Aaron Rodgers' career he didn't get hurt, most
of Brady's he didn't get hurt. And I think some
guys are just brittle and small by the way, too
is hurt. And then Kyler gets banged up, and Bryce
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Young is hurt, and brock Perty's not big as well.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
I don't think it's just co incidents.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Like I don't think it's coincidence the Jags have all
these great picks and none of them pan out. And yet,
and yet Mike Vrabel gets his top picks this year,
his top three picks, they all work out. I don't
think that's I don't think that's osmosis happenstance. Smart people, bigger, stronger,
durable athletes over time is who I'm with.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
I've always told you that before.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
I like traits and trunky and thick, and I like
all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
That that stuff matters to me. If you're a.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Little small, a little thin, you become Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
You know, how about you next,
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
There we go. It is a Wednesday, We're in Chicago.
Beautiful day Live. It's The Herd wherever you may be,
however you may be listening, whatever platform it is. Thanks
for making enough part of your day. Joel Platt in
one hour, got another look the college football rankings, which
(00:48):
becomes the college football Playoff. You know I saw this
morning certain things that just make you smile. If you
saw this j Mac, you know, the highest graded quarterback
in the NFL the last two weeks.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Of course, let me get a guess. I'll go Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
That's interesting, isn't this funny?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Highest rated PFF quarterback all year as a former Trojan
and currently the hottest USC Trojan.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I'm telling you they're coming back telling you so.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I was thinking about this success.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
In any field.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Any field can be law education, it's mostly masonry, one
brick at a time. Great parenting isn't the weekend birthday parties.
It's Monday through Friday, seven to eight to seven p.
Caleb Williams was flashy last year. Caleb Williams is still
flashy this year. But you want to know why he's
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the highest credded quarterback. It's all the masonry. He proves
that young talented quarterbacks, even super hyper talented quarterbacks, they
just need a base line of support and common sense.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Ben Johnson takes.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
This job, does he say, Caleb, I want more zany
flashy plays.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
No.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
The first thing he addresses, we got to get better
at guard center guard. Not even the most dynamic offensive
line positions, the big uglies in the middle of the
old line. They get Jonah Jackson, Drew Dolman. They get
Joe Toney guard center guard. The second thing he says, Hey,
I gotta ask you something, Caleb, can you not run backwards?
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I want to eliminate the negative plays and the pre
stat penalties. Two basic masonry laying brick needs. And suddenly
he's the hottest quarterback in the league. Because when you're
not first and fifteen or first and twenty or second
in twenty eight. Because you got sacked running backwards, you
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run the ball better, and you run the ball more often,
and that helps the quarterback. Now, Patrick Mahomes the way
he entered the league Hall of Fame coach, great GM,
great owner, Hall of Fame, tight end, Pro Bowl wide receiver.
That car had no flat tires, and Caleb entered the
Bears with eber flues and that staff and the battle line.
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Their were four flat tires. But Caleb was not terrible
last year. He was wildly flashy. Twenty touchdown, six picks.
It's all the little stuff that makes great parenting and
great quarterback. Yeah, we have much better protection guard, center guard.
We don't have any negative plays pre snap stuff. What
did Belichick say about Brady?
Speaker 4 (03:38):
What Tom?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
You're always playing in front of the sticks. It's never
first and fifteen, it's never second and twenty two. Move
the ball ahead. Because the wild dynamic running thing that
is really really easy for Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
That's in eight, that's natural. That's gonna come.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Caleb's success this year is a on all the minutia
of the NFL. Guard play, no pre snap penalties. Last week,
Minnesota at eight. Last week, the Rams had no penalties
either side. Efficiency matters whether you're at Meta Fox Sports
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of the Bears. The Bears are just more They're more efficient,
they're more stable. I was looking at Caleb Williams passer rating.
Last year it was eighty eight. This year it's ninety two.
You look at yards per attempt six point three to
seven point three, it's not that different. The one thing
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you see of the sacks, no negative plays. Therefore you
can establish a run game. Therefore you're throwing on play accent.
You couldn't run the ball last year for Chicago between
the sacks and the pre snap stuff. You were throwing
it because you had to throw it. Now you throw
it because you want to throw it. Totally different. But
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as Greg Olsen said, yeahyesterday, you know, the hyper athletic stuff,
that's just who he is. He'll always have that. What
he needed was a grown up coach to do the
small stuff.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
When things break down in today's NFL, which is going
to be often past protection is very difficult. The rushers
are very good.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Scheme is good.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
You have to have a quarterback that can make second,
second level plays, meaning it's not the initial read it's
not the initial timing. I got a playoff script. He
can do that as well as anyone. As they continue
to get him into more of the on time rhythm
component of Ben Johnson's drop that game. If that continues
to develop, that's what Chicago thought they were drafting last year.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, Caleb brings the sizzle, right, he brings the sizzle.
Ben Johnson just brought in a better stake. Success is
largely masonry in every field, one brig at a time,
the little stuff. So I've always had a rule on
my show basically, I have opinions, and you can have
(06:03):
opinion on my opinion, but I'm not going to have
an opinion on your opinion on my opinion. I'll make
an exception because I think this is instructive. So I
said the other day, I said, Micah Parsons is a
stud athlete, but through the years. This summer, I had
a conversation with a general manager and he said, don't
be surprised if Dallas moves off him even though he's
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in his prime, because he's not a versatile player. He's
a great athlete and a great player, and he's going
to be a Hall of Famer. But the Cowboys try
to use him at linebacker and it didn't work. He
doesn't have fast eyes. He's one of those classic Hassan
Reddick was this. He's a much better player than Hassan Reddick.
See quarterback, go get him, sea ball, go get it.
There's no knock on that. He's a world class athlete. Well,
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he didn't like when I said that. He put up
a tweet yesterday and said, hey, we just held Saquon
Barkley to sixty rushing yards. Our only losses have been
holding teams to thirteen points. Man, Sometimes, can y'all please
just blankety blank stop giving people mics or listening to trash.
So let me just say this about your great job
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against Saquon Barkley. Seven of nine Philadelphia Eagle games this year,
Saquon Barkley has rushed for sixty yards or less. The
Dallas Cowboys held them to sixty yards. The Eagles can't
run the football this year. That wasn't great defense. That
is the inability due to injuries and other reasons. Philly
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can't run the ball this year. That's why they're not
as dominant. That was not a great packer performance. It
was a consistent Eagles run game performance. So the Cowboys
defense last year with Micah thirty first, the Cowboys defense
this year without Micah thirty first, and again. But the
argument here isn't about who's right me or Micah. It's
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this is instructive. There are certain players in the NFL,
very very infrequent professional athletes that do a bunch of
stuff well. Wemby ballhand hit, a three block, a shot,
post move, Jokinsch can do everything. Best passer on the Nuggets,
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best post guy in the Nuggets, best rebounder mostly on
the Nuggets.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Best shooter at times on the Nuggets. That is rare.
O Tawani can do everything.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Most baseball players, the great ones are Freddie Freeman, man
can he hit Otani can do everything, Yo Kitchen, Wemby
are versatile. Luca is a great scorer. Carmelo Anthony was
a great score. He wasn't a great playmaker, a great defender,
a great rebounder. Melo and Luke are great scores. And
that for great players, even great players, that's it. Christian
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McCaffrey's a versatile player. V Jon Robinson's a versatile player.
Adrian Peterson was just a great running back, Micah is
essentially Tyreek Hill for the record, both traded in their prime.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Tyreek Hill has never been a great block.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
He doesn't run great routes, but he'll probably make the
Hall of Fame because man, he is great with the
deep ball. But Andy Reid moved off him. Brett Veach,
arguably second best gem in the league, moved off him.
They moved off him in his prime, and the Cowboys
moved off Mike in his prime. Cleveland's not moving off
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Miles Garrett. Raiders aren't moving off Max Crosby. Steelers aren't
moving off TJ.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Watt. Why because those are versatile at rushers.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Mike is not in his run with alas Cowboys, they
were twenty third against the run, they got sacks, they
got pressure, they were twenty third against the run. So
what Micah is? He's Tyreek Hill. Both traded in their prime.
Both unbelievable, Both will probably make the Hall of Fame.
Both highly productive. But Tyreek Hill isn't Larry Fitzgerald. Okay,
(09:59):
Larry Fitzgerald could Drake London maybe the best red zone receiver.
He can be an underneath receiver. Drake London can block
Blake Drake London can be a deep threat. Drake London
can be anything you want him to be. Larry Fitzgerald
can be anything. Tyreek just goes deep. Micah is a
sea ball sea quarterback. Get it, and that has unbelievable value.
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But the Cowboys tritament linebacker. I was told bad GM
doesn't have great eyes. Can't put him in the coverage.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
It's not what he does.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
And by great standards, nine percent great athletes, not just
average guy. The great ones are more Freddie Freeman than Otani.
They're more Carmelo than Yo Kitcher Wemby. They're more Tyreek
and Micah than Miles Garrett or Larry Fitzgerald or Christian
McCaffrey or Bjon Robinson, Kyle Hamilton jsend for the Seahawks.
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You can put him on the sideline. You can put
him in the slot. Remember the late Aaron Hernandez. He
can play like six positions. Gronk's a tight end. Okay,
Gronk is a tight end. Aaron hernandezoul put him in
the backfield. You could put him in the slot, you
could put him anywhere. So it's not a shot. It's
instructive on Micah. Mike is what he's always been, stud athlete,
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five star recruit, disruptive pass rusher, and Tyreek Hill is
always what he was man can he get deep fast?
But very rarely do you get a player, even an
old timer, that does a bunch of stuff. Well, Christian
McCaffrey does so many things better than Adrian Peterson. But
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if you told me I needed two yards and somebody
to run over a linebacker, I'd probably take Adrian Peterson.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Got Belichick New York Giant rumors, I believe it or not,
Belichick New York Giant rumors. I'm gonna quiz everybody this
hour on the show, because we always talk about this
with young quarterbacks. How it's not linear, it's bumpy, it's up,
it's down. Who's your coach, who's your office of line.
It's very interesting. I'm going to ask everybody watching our
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show today. You're the general manager, and I'm going to
give you every quarterback under twenty five, twenty five or under.
I'm gonna give you every one, and by the end
of today you have to decide on a two hundred
and fifty million dollar extension. Today's the last day you
get two guys who would be your two Just kind
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of throw it out there. I'm gonna give you a
couple of minutes to study the midterm every quarterback twenty
five and undred. You're the GM today at the end
of the business day, you have to make a decision
on those twelve young quarterbacks. Two you get a signed today.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
You have to.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
So there's twelve.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
It's about twelve.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I'll look at the number again, justin Herbert one of them. No, no, no,
he's now eclipsed.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Then he said, claps twenty five.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
Okay, this is setting up so that Caleb Williams is
one of the two.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Obviously, Yes, yes.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
I can tell already. You love the Bears and Caleb Williams.
Now you got me worried. I had liked the Bears
against the Vikings. But this is soliloquy you started off with.
I am a little nervous. I think JJ McCarthy shows
up big this weekend.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Oh okay, good luck.
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I'm gonna ask you to be the general manager. Before
the end of the hour. You have to pay a
quarterback two hundred and fifty million, one hundred and forty
of it guaranteed twenty five and under quarterbacks. Who would
you give it to? So the Giants fired their head
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coach on Monday during the show, and I said, two
coaches feel pretty obvious to me, Mike McCarthy and Lane Kiffin.
Lane Kiffin coach Jackson Dart in college, the Giants quarterback,
and Mike McCarthy works with every quarterback, even one games
with Cooper Rush. A lot of pushback on that either.
(14:41):
You know, Lane's a college guy, which I think college
and pro football look very similar today. They didn't fifteen
years ago, and Mike McCarthy gets more crap for a
guy that won a Super Bowl than any coach ever.
Bill Belichick's name is surfaced. Belichick was asked about it
as Carolina prepares for their next game, getting.
Speaker 8 (15:00):
Ready for Wait course, that's all I got this week.
Speaker 9 (15:05):
Has anyone asks you the players or recruits want to
know about the future.
Speaker 8 (15:10):
I have been asked about it from Tom to Ton.
But yeah, I look, I've been done this real before.
I'm focused on Wait Force. That's it, and that's my
commitment of this team. And next week it'll be to
our next opponent, and so for Worth. But you know
I'm here to do best I can.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
With this team.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Listen, I have defended Belichick's relationship with one twenty year old.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
I just don't. I'm not going to give him Jackson
Dart too.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Okay, No, I think you can look at Belichick as
the world has changed in football, and you can look
at one player, Mac Jones. This is what worries me.
When Mac Jones was in New England and Josh McDaniels
was there, he made a Pro Bowl. Mac Jones this year,
with Kyle Shanahan has been the best bridge slash backup.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Quarterback in the league. Last week he was thirty three.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
At thirty nine, he can really place the franchise quarterback.
When Josh left took the Raiders job and Bill had him,
he was awful, unplayable, as many turnovers as touchdowns. So
there is a formula that works with young quarterbacks. And
it's not saddled up side a seventy four year old
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defensive coach.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
And so I know Lane Kiffin and Mike McCarthy aren't
that attractive, but there's a formula to this. And I
know Bill was great, but be very careful about memories
and lore and tradition. We love, love to glamorize and
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romanticize sports, and we just do. Baseball over the last
two years has grown because of one reason. They stop
looking in the rear view mirror. They just made all
sorts of changes looking through the windshield. Baseball is on
a two year heater and basketball. By the way, Basketball's
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ratings are up well. They put more games on NBC,
they have more partners, They've made their product more available,
not just on cable new contract. The NFL does a
better job than any sport in my lifetime of always
upgrading rules. So I mean Tom Brady's last two years
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in New England. Tom Brady had fifty three touchdowns first
two years in Tampa.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
In the eighties.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
So go look at Mac Jones, a young quarterback and
the greatest quarterback young and old in their years with
Belichick when he had Remember Belichick in New England at
the end, was controlling personnel. Tom had nobody to throw to.
When Josh McDaniels was there for Mac Jones, Mac Jones
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was excellent.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
I mean for a young.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Guy that's not super athletic, team is very good pro bowler.
So that's my issue with Belichick. Maybe he could work
with a stable quarterback or a stable culture.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
I don't want him near my young quarterback. Just not interested.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
McCarthy, Lane Kiffin heartbeat Bill may be a legend, but
it's rear view mirror stuff to me.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Jmckle the news, Turn on the.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
News, this is the herdline news, all right.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Colin a few weeks ago, I said I was really
sick of Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Then they beat the Colts and then.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
You saw what happened last weekend, another brutal loss to
the Chargers. Colin, they're fading fast, specifically Aaron Rodgers fifty.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Two completions against the Chargers.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
I mean, Colin, that's the worst for Rogers in quite
some time. With the Ravens on their heels in the
AFC Norths, Mike Tomlin somehow is not worried about his
quarterbacks poor play.
Speaker 10 (18:53):
I'm not going to, you know, chalk it up to
an off night, but there are no long term concerns.
I'm just not going to allow your words to be
my words.
Speaker 9 (19:01):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
It's right.
Speaker 10 (19:04):
Sunday night was what it was, but I have no
long term reservations about his ability to play the position
and play the position at a high level for us.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
It's my second favorite bet of the week is the
Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 11 (19:19):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I like, first of all, they got they got beat
on Thursday by the Bengals. They're salty, They're a better
team at home. Cincinnati is not very good. They're coming
off an ugly loss, Aaron's worst game, and the Chargers
actually are pretty good. I think I think Pittsburgh will
rebound and they'll win comfortably against the really bad team
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in the Bengals. Steelers aren't a bad team. They've got
holes and liabilities and weaknesses. They still can't run the
ball seven years in a row, but Pittsburgh will throttle Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Interesting.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
So, uh, Bengals, you saw the big news this week, right,
Joe Burrow returning. At some point, he's back at practice.
I wonder if embattled coach Zach Taylor can use us
as a rally and cry, hey, Joe's coming back. We
just got to pick.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Up a win or two.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
We steal one here.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
We already beat these chumps, right, we're right back in
the wild card race. I wonder if with a bye week,
this is a huge motivational space for the Cincinnati Bagels gone?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Why not? Why not us?
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Everybody in the as he's losing the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Tomlin's issue has always been he's a terrible Thursday night coach.
So when they got beat by Cincinnati, you and I
talked about this. Tomlin's great on Monday night football, He's
terrible on Thursday night football. So now we're back to
a normal week, not a short week. Pittsburgh's got the
better the better roster, the better quarterback, home field advantage,
better coach.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah, I think I think Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Here's what we know about Pittsburgh, we don't know what
they are week to week. Don't forget the two weeks
ago they destroyed the Colts at home.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
That's oh, wait a minute, the Colts turned over six times.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Come on, they didn't handle them the ball. They earned
some of those turnovers.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Daniel Jones kind of the ball.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
A couple of times.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
But the other thing on the Bengals gone these divisional
matchups second time around. There's some data that shows later
in the season these games are closer because of the
familiarity between the coaching staffs the teams. I would be
careful the number is five and a half. It's a
pass for me. Plus, you know I love to root
against Aaron Rodgers. Next story, let's go to Detroit and Philly.
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This is a great Sunday night football matchup. I gotta
be honest, I'm a little surprised this is only two
and a half. A lot of respect in the market
for the Lions. Yeah, I mean hell, when you smash
Washington and score on seven straight possessions, you have to
Dan Campbell, very excited for the matchup, knows the margins
will be thin.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
In a clash of NFC powers.
Speaker 9 (21:50):
This is a heavyweight. This is a heavyweight match, and ma'am,
one misstep can cost you this game. Now, that shouldn't
make you type, that shouldn't make you play conservative. Just understand, man,
it's going to take all three units and every play.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Man.
Speaker 9 (22:09):
You got to give it your full attention and lay
it on the freaking line. You can't ask for anything better.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I like Philadelphia. It was one and a half. I
like them more than I do two and a half.
But I think Philadelphia knows what they are. It's flawed,
but they know what they are. I would worry that
Dan Campbell had to take over play calling duties last week.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
That's weird. Don't love that. He loves a hire. Don't
love that.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
So I just you know.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
I know Detroit just played outdoors against Washington, but historically
that Dome team going outdoors, it's just not as speedy
of a team. I'm trying to saint Brown, not as fast, Gibbs,
not as fast. Now the Eagles are off the night
game again a short week right.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Against the Packers. That was a tough one.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
I got to check the injuries and the weather as well.
But I don't see why. I mean, you remember when
Detroit went outdoors against the Chiefs. It's just not the
same team, right, I don't know. Just to me, seems
like a slam dunk Eagles. Maybe I'm missing something. Maybe
there's an injury. I didn't see Monday Night.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
One and a half one and a half. It was
a top three bet of the week. I thought Philadelphia
minus one and a half is up to two and
a half.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Philadelphia is the play here.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, final story, Colin and I love this one.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
The Dallas Mavericks obviously fired their GM Nico Harrison after
the worst trade in NBA history.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Well, now it's getting real spicy.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
There is an NBA writer named John Hollinger who is
floating the idea, hey man, Dallas ain't going to the
playoffs this year. Kyrie's not coming back. Build around Cooper
Flag trade. Anthony Davis put him on the market, see
what picks you can get, and essentially, you.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Know the fan base.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I'm sure you saw.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I talked about this on my podcast.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
Cooper Flag's mom was basically retweeted someone endorsing firing Nico
Harrison because the whole arena is booing during the game, and.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
She's like, why do we have.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
To put up with this crap, essentially the Nico Harrison trade.
There's just a stench lingering. And I hate to say it,
but Anthony Davis was.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Part of that trade.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Yeah, and I almost think you kind of have to
move him just to move on from that trade. Right,
you fired Nico, Now you got to move ad. I'm
putting you on the spot here, but do you have
any landing spots for Anthony Davis? And oh, by the way,
no Laker fan wants him back, Just to put that
out there, I don't. He's still a little overweight, he's
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still injured. I think he's coming back this week.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
They expect No. I thought, I see efensively, he's.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Really good, I said two weeks ago on the show.
I watched two Mavericks games. He looked heavy. It did
not look like he was in great shape. So and
that earlier in his career had been an issue. Yeah,
I mean, I just think Dallas, it just kind of
smells as a franchise.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
It was a bad move.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I always said, if you want to trade Luca, then
you got to get three first round picks. Anthony Davis,
Max Fris maybe in Austin Reeves. They didn't get enough.
I'm not anti trading in, but you got to get
more because I do think the drafts going forward. This
next draft, by the way, oh no, it's one of
the best drafts in a decade. I mean the top
three picks are like can't miss guys, the Kansas Wing,
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the Boozer Kid BYU Star like this. The nil is
going to make all these NBA drafts going forward much
more fortified, much better drafts, much thicker at the top
eight or nine guys that can't miss. I was okay
moving Luca if I got Austin Reeves three first round
picks and Ad they just didn't get enough, and then
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when everybody got hurt, then it makes the trade look disastrous.
So I'm not one of these you know when they
when the Chiefs traded a Tyreek Hill, Oh my god,
or Micah getting traded. Dallas' defense was bad this year,
it's bad last year. I'm I'm for trades, but you
got to get more than the Mavericks got.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
The problem Colent, I don't think the Mavericks can go
out there and be like, oh, we're going to get
to first for Ad. I'm sorry, I don't think that
I don't think anything close to that. I mean, I
don't want to say you sell them on pennies on
the dollar, but using your theory, if something's not working,
you just got to make.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Them just cut bait.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
They might just have to take a poop poo platter
of guys. And you know, a not great first and
a second round pick for Anthony Davis, who again at
the height of his powers, he's a really good, impactful
defensive player.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
J Mack with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
That's the heard Line news.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
So I was thinking about this, ask yourself, what draft picks.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Did we think.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
We're going to be pretty sensational players and they really
haven't delivered. I'll give you a list. Travis Hunter with
the Jags, Ashton Jenny with the Raiders, and Cam Ward
with the Titans, and those are dynamic players and they
didn't do anything. So there's a story. Travis Hunter. They
shut him down for the year. He had two hundred
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and ninety eight yards this year one touchdown. Do you
really think Travis Hunter if he went to the Chiefs,
the Rams of the Ravens would have under three hundred yards.
That would be I mean marginal defensive player, really talented.
So that's whenever I hear, oh, the Jets in Cleveland
have a bunch of first round picks, My take is
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that's just giving money in the family to the one
guy that's irresponsible with money. The Jacks screw everything up.
The Browns, Jets, they screw everything up. I don't want
to hear about all your first round picks. By the way,
what rookies have actually been really good?
Speaker 11 (27:40):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Will Campbell going to Vrabel and Robert Kraft the Patriots. Oh,
Tyler Warren going to Shane Stike in great GM Colts.
Oh a Mecca at MUKA Tampa is a playoff team.
Oh Gray Zabel Seattle, well run, I mean, go look
at the first round. But he said, oh cam Ward
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and Travis they're going to be unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Look where they went.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
The guys that are actually good is the first guy
that went to Mike Frable. Now I will say tam
Mac to the receiver in Carolina. They're dysfunctional, though less
so today than two years ago. He's pretty good. But
when I hear about all these draft picks, go look
at Travis Hunter. This whole flyer on cornerback is dumb.
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He's a wide receiver. It's an offensive league.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Get him the ball.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Fourteen targets, eleven catches, two jet sweeps, one reverse. He's
a super talented player, but he's a receiver and a
return man.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Get him out of corner.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Go look at the we thought Ashton genty was going
to be unbelievable. Travis Hunter and Cam Ward, a lot
of these guys are super talented. They went to franchises
that don't know what to do with the money, don't
know what to do with the talent. Bummer, But it's true. Okay,
you're the general manager. You're the general manager. You have
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until the end of today to give quarterbacks a two
hundred fifty million dollar contract.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
One hundred and forty of it's guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
We'll throw all the twenty five and under quarterbacks out
there and show you how difficult these decisions are.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
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Speaker 1 (29:51):
So Chase Daniel was talking the other day on a podcast,
and he knows the Sean Payton Saints Denver system very
well offensively, and he said when he watches bon Nicks,
he sees somebody that just doesn't He's not seeing it.
He's not seeing the stuff that's open. But it's interesting.
Everybody's good at spending somebody else's money. But if you
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are a GM, and this is what gms go through.
I mean, Cleveland sat down in a room and said,
Baker's driving us crazy. We know he's talented, we're gonna
let him go. They probably regret it now. Minnesota, you know,
do we keep Sam? We pay him this, we let
him go, Minnesota regrets it. So Stefanski's really smart, Kevin
O'Connell's really smart. And they let go of Baker Mayfield
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and Sam Darnold and now they're Pro Bowl level quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
The stuff is hard.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
It's easy when you get somebody on a discount, they're
on a rookie contract, you know, or you're spending somebody
else's money. But if I said, you're the general manager
and knowing that the minute you pay a quarterback big money,
the roster will not look the same. Like, for instance,
if you paid Caleb Williams two hundred and ninety million
(31:01):
dollars today, new contract. We gotta let dj Moore go.
We gotta let Joe Tony go. We can't pay for
all of it, can't can't get you gotta let now.
I got Roma Dunza and I'll still have Drew Dolman
and Jonah Jackson. I probably got let Joe Tuney go.
Kansas City had to let Joe Tuny go with protecting mahomes.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
They had to let him go guard.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Okay, So all these things considered, here are the quarterbacks
in the NFL twenty five and under.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
There's a eleven. Okay.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
So if I said you have until the end of
the business day today to make a decision two hundred
ninety three hundred million dollar contract, half of it guaranteed,
who are the three you would take? The easy one
is Drake May. Drake May wasn't great last year. He
was lousy in the opener against the Raiders, but the
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last eight nine weeks that's a franchise quarterback. Drake May,
He's the easy one. You need three total. The next
two I would take our CJ. Stroud, who's hurt again
and his passer rating the last two years is eighty nine,
eight great, not really a starter eighty nine. And the
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next I would take his Kleb and his two years
in the NFL year and a half, his passer rating
hovers around ninety not great, okay. So and even with
Ben Johnson it's like ninety two and a half that's
not great. I'd like upper nineties, okay. So the three
twenty five and under, and for our radio audience, I'll
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read you the quarterbacks. Jaden Daniels, Okay, I can't. He's
hurt for the fourth time a year and a half
in Jackson Dart lives in the blue tent. JJ McCarthy
obvious reasons. Michael Pennix junior hurt in college. Looks really
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really disappointing so far. Brock perty Small hurt again. Max
Jones went thirty three at thirty nine last weekend. Has
has brought every done that we're just asking, uh cam Ward,
who knows Bryce Young probably not going to extend him.
So you start looking at all these my three one
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with no hesitation as Drake May the next two c
J Stroud has a couple of playoff wins, hurt again,
ninety passer rating last two years. I would resign him
and Caleb because I think with Ben we're getting a
truer version of himself and it's about a ninety two
passer rating. But everybody bangs on bon Nicks. Let me
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remind you of Bononix. Two things I want to remind
you of. In the fourth quarter this season, he's basically
number one at everything, first downs, game winning drives, total touchdown,
second yards, really good in the fourth quarter for the record,
So it is Caleb. The second thing is he's durable.
He never gets hurt. Go look at that list again.
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Jackson Dart hurt, Jayden Daniels hurt, Bryce Young hurt, c
J Strout hurt, everybody's hurt.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Everybody's banged up.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
BONICKX and Caleb Williams and Drake May, they don't get hurt.
Sean Payton this week on Bonnicks and speeding up his game.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Internally, I think it's a plus and a minus.
Speaker 11 (34:31):
I've said that before. I think one of his great
strengths is not taken sacks, and so the clock in
his head relative to that sense of urgency. So I
think there is a fine line. I think that a
much easier problem to correct than the latter, which is
taking the sacks, and historically speaking, has proven to be
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much more difficult to fix.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah, so he's probably letting go of the ball a stepper,
not a step late. He's playing a little fast, a
little frenetic. But you I'm always amazed by people that
overlook durability. How many times is brock Purdy gonna be hurt?
How many times is Jackson Dark gonna go to the
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blue tenth? Bonis never gets hurt, Caleb Williams never gets hurt.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
I need my guys there.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
So, like I said this about mac Jones, Mac Jones,
I don't see a lot of injuries. Brock Purdy hurt
again all the time. I don't know how you can
overlook that. Cam Ward, it's almost unfair to put him
in there. He has no support. He could be really
good eventually. But if I said, you got to pick
three guys and you gotta write the check, knowing when
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you write the check, you gotta let people go. Now,
Drake May you can sign that check. They're not paying anybody,
so they wouldn't have to let people go. Travon Henderson rookie,
Kyle Williams receiver, rookie. So they're in a good space.
Will Campbell left can't tackle rookie. They're in a really
good space. But Caleb if you sign him, or CJ.
Stroud if you sign him, you gotta let people go.
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So bow Knicks, everybody's banging on bow Knicks. Durable wins
games great in the fourth quarter. What is Caleb this year?
Durable wins games great in the fourth quarter. I'm sorry
for me. I'm into that. I've worked with people in
this industry that are really talented, they're just not dependable.
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High and low don't get them every day. We talked
about masonry, So I don't know. You don't have to
like bo Knicks and how it looks. He's the best
fourth quarterback in the league right now. He's never hurt
and he wins games. He's eighteen and nine in a
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division with Mahomes and Herbert and Harbaugh, Spags, Andy Reid.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
I know that's a very disappointing segment for you.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
This is an awesome segment. I love this idea. So
I'm going to break it down for you where I
agree and disagree. So I think let's process of elimination
right off the bat. You can eliminate three guys. They're
not in the mix. Bryce Young out, Michael Pennix out
bow knicks out those three guys, and you.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
And I don't agree on that. I like the durable
guy that wins the games.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
Well again, you know we have two years worth of
data and his numbers are not good at all. Yes,
he has been able to finagle some wins with Sean Payton,
beat a lot of bad teams, but I would eliminate
bo Nicks. Not enough data so far. Kim Ward, I
don't think you can make a decision. Jackson Dart, I
know we love him, but can't make a decision. And
JJ McCarthy, you cannot. You just he's had four starts, okay,
(37:40):
So that leaves five guys for do you.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Want two or three spots?
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Three spots?
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Okay? Drake May I.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
Think you're right based on the two years we've seen.
I think he's in. I do believe you're missing on
brock Purty. And why is that Colin? Because he's played
more than all these guys. Brock Perty has played way
more games than Caleb Williams, more wins, but you love
obviously more touchdown more games. He had two game winning
drives in the postseason two years ago. I know Caleb
(38:08):
has four this year. WHOA Rock Purdy has two in
the playoffs. Okay, Purdy has as yards per attempt or
eight point eight in his career. Caleb Williams only six
point eight. Lot of dink and dunk. So I think
Rock Purty's a lock. I think Brock Purty is after
Drake May. And then you go between Caleb Stroud and
date Jayden Daniels, and Caleb has looked good. But con
(38:31):
do you think you're being a little emotional? You now
moved to Chicago. Caleb's on a heater.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
If I told you you'd never seen anybody play, I said,
I'm gonna give you this significantly better athlete who never
gets hurt.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Well, no, he doesn't never get hurt. He just hasn't
been hurt.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
I mean he's played like twenty five games or something.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Caleb didn't get hurt last year. He didn't get hurt
in college, he didn't get hurt in high school. He's
not hurt this year. If I told you you did
with brock Purty and Caleb Williams. You'd never seen him play.
I said, one guy much better arm, also significantly more
athletic and way more durable.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
Not a GM in the league that would take brock
per Yes. Now here's the big thing with Caleb. So
last year he didn't look good at all. Numbers were horrible,
body language.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Let's stop, let's stop.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Twenty touchdowns, six picks, and a passer rating close to ninety.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
It wasn't well, those are three numbers. There's a billion
numbers that go into the equation. But he changed coaches
and upgraded to Ben Johnson.
Speaker 6 (39:30):
So now he has basically brock Perty has Skyle Shanahan
and Caleb has Ben Johnson.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
And brock Perty's data compared to Caleb's so far is
night and day. Rock Purty's been the better quarterback by
almost every metric.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
When he has more starts, and he has a veteran coach,
and he has Christian McCaffrey as em mccaffe and he's
hurt all the time, and he's hurt again and mac
Jones just put up a Sunday better than any brock
Purty ever did from the pocket.
Speaker 6 (40:00):
I mean Tyson bagent filled in last year and was
like capable, Remember he had a starter or too low.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
I think nobody, nobody thinks I know Tyson Bageit is
Caleb mac Jones last week. That's a better that's a
better Sonny in the pocket than brock pertty never had
thirty three to thirty nine with backups.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
Just by the completion for cents. Listen, I get it,
you're out on pretty. He had the shoulder injury in
the playoffs and then the toe thing this year. I mean,
if he's injury prone, I don't know what joke that
makes Joe Burrow injuries happened though, I mean, come on,
Jaden Daniels flukey putting his arm down hyper extended.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Mahomes is never hurt, and Josh Allen's not hurt, and
Caleb's not hurt, and bo Nix isn't hurt, and Eli
Manning didn't get hurt. And I mean the truth is
most of Aaron Rodgers' career he didn't get hurt, most
of Brady's he didn't get hurt. And I think some
guys are just brittle and small by the way, too
is hurt. And then Kyler gets banged up, and Bryce
(40:55):
Young is hurt, and brock Perty's not big as well.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
I don't think it's just co incidents.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Like I don't think it's coincidence the Jags have all
these great picks and none of them pan out. And yet,
and yet Mike Vrabel gets his top picks this year,
his top three picks, they all work out. I don't
think that's I don't think that's osmosis happenstance. Smart people, bigger, stronger,
durable athletes over time is who I'm with.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
I've always told you that before.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
I like traits and trunky and thick, and I like
all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
That that stuff matters to me. If you're a.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Little small, a little thin, you become Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
You know, how about you next,
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