December 4, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin previews the Cowboys-Lions game tonight and explains why the Lions are having so many issues this season
Colin also defends the Denver Broncos’ string of narrow victories, arguing that their late-game formula is sustainable under head coach Sean Payton
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Here we go, Cowboys playing a night against the Detroit Lions.
Greg Cosell one hour from now to break it all down.
What's wrong with Detroit? One is right with Dallas. Maybe
in La next week, in Chicago today, It's the Herd.
Wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Thanks
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for making us part of your day. I and Jmac
both like Dallas tonight. I think Dallas wins by a
touchdown or more tonight. I think a lot of the
NFL is trends and which way you're headed. I think
Dallas is in the right direction, playing with a ton
of confidence now healthier than they've been all season. So
you and I agree on that, and let's just start
with them. So the Cowboys over under win total to
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start the year was seven and a half. I said,
bet the under Detroit's was ten and a half. Ten
and a half, I said bet the under, and here
we are week fourteen. They're pretty much the same. But
I think I'd rather be Dallas. I do. I like
where they're trending. And everybody's telling me it's injuries, or
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it's the Frank Ragnow retirement, or it's Jared Goff. You
want to know why Detroit's not as good? They lost
Ben Johnson, the offensive coordinator. Now he's the coach of
the Bears, and the Bears are looking down at the Lions.
That's it. It's almost impossible. It's not hard. It's really
impossible to replace brilliance. I remember Nike two thousand and four,
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Phil Knight step down as CEO. Nike, one of one,
a powerhouse, immediately starts losing market share to Adidas. Here
comes Phil, he comes back. We all know the story
of Steve Jobs left Apple. Apple was a powerhouse. They
begged to have him back ten years later. It's hard
to replace excellent people. I think Ben Johnson's different. I mean,
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what a shock. Suddenly the Bears are as good as
any team in the league running the football. They weren't
last year, and suddenly now The Lions are horrible on
third down? How with that offensive line? How would Jamir
Gibbs with a veteran quarterback? How they're good at tight end,
wide receiver? How because I lost Ben Johnson. That's it.
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I remember when Washington you remember this, had Sean McVay,
Kyle Shanahan, and Matt Lafleur in the building with Washington,
they were making the playoffs. Those guys left. I mean,
it wasn't until last year, for one year, that the
regression stop. Now they're bad again. You just can't replace
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McVeigh and Shanahan on his staff, arguably the two best
coaches in the league after Andy Reid and I I'll
die on this hill. The greater the talent you lose,
the wider the search has to be. You lose Jim
Harbaugh Michigan. You can't go in house. You lose Ben Johnson.
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You can't go in house. The bigger the shoes I
have to fill, the more feet I need to see.
And when I watched the Lions, it's not Frank rag Now,
it's not omar On Saint Brown is banged up. It's
not Jared Goff doesn't have mobility. He didn't have it
the previous three years. They're just not quite as clever
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and not quite as unique, even among really good people.
Jerry Jones said, Dak is irreplaceable, Mike is great, but replaceable,
and Mike is were to go, but he leaves. Dallas
is now second in the NFL in pressures. It's like,
we're actually better without my Ka because we got some
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draft picks and made some deals. But I mean, Miami
still looking to find the next Marino. How many quarterbacks
they had forty? I mean literally, Denver to replace Elway
had to go get an old Peyton Manning. So it's
just it's the Lions lost an all time offensive coordinator,
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an all time guy, and I love Dallas tonight nothing
quite feels the same when I watch them. The players
are great. It's not injuries. They've been injury plague previous years.
It's not the GM he's great. They just lost an
all timer who's now with the Bears. So I saw
a story this morning and it said the Broncos are
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the second NFL team in history to win four straight
games by three points or less. People are basically saying
what Denver is doing is not sustainable. You can't keep
winning in the fourth quarter like Denver's and I would say, no,
that's absolutely sustainable. What's not sustainable is when the Patriots
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went ten years without winning a Super Bowl, and those
Randy Moss years when you're scoring fifty and winning by
three touchdowns, they didn't win a super Bowl that year.
Every other Super Bowl Belichick and Brady were in in
New England all but one were one possession games. Further record,
Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback ever in one possession
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games sixty eight percent of games, sixty eight percent in
one score game, by the way, highest winning percentage when
trailing in the fourth quarter of the last two seasons,
Andy Reid and Sean Payton. So don't tell me it's
Mahomes because none of you like Bo Nicks. It's the coach.
Football has always been a game of inches. I go
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back to the New England dynasty. Winning close is totally sustainable.
The New England dynasty. The two things that I would
jump out beyond Belichick and Brady art they never fumbled.
Honest to God, I was in New England at the time.
They never fumbled, and they were always way above average
on special teams. They didn't lead the league in sacks
very often. They didn't lead the league in touchdowns very often.
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When I look at Denver, it's absolutely coaching and details.
For instance, fewest sacks allowed, that's coaching. How do I
know that's coaching because Caleb Williams last year was the
most sacked quarterback. This year, he's one of the least sacks.
They changed coaches, right, So like it is coaching and demanding,
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not pandering. Bo Nicks not a big, strong guy breaking
tackles from defensive ends. He didn't get sacked. His dad
was a coach. He takes to coaching. Sean Payton. They're
also great on third down defense. Why that's situational coaching.
Red zone defense, situational coaching. And so when I look
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at New England's dynasty, it was all about details. I
don't know how many times they led the NFL in
total offense. I would wager it wasn't as many as
you think. I don't know how many times that led
the league in touchdowns. By the Randy marsh years, they
didn't win Super Bowls. So I've always thought, like Andy Reid,
Sean Payton. In fact, I looked this morning at the
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top five last two years, the top five winning percentages,
winning its coaches in one score games. It's all offensive coaches.
No Mike Tomblin up there. It's all offensive coaches. So
to me, this idea that what Denver's doing is not sustainable.
I love NBA teams and baseball teams and Pro football
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teams that win close. I think it builds character, it
builds unity. Winn by blowouts, that's not sustainable. If you're
doing that in the NFL, you're probably doing it because
you have a really good rookie quarterback on a rookie deal,
and then when you have to eventually pay him and
have to get rid of stars. You're not winning by that.
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That's not sustainable. You don't see NFL teams going four
years blowing people out. You'll rarely get a year like that.
But winning close, Andy Reid, Sean Payton, Tom Brady totally
sustainable to me. Being good on third down offensively, not
getting sacked a lot, that's coaching. That's sustainable. Here's Sean
Payton on the way Denver's winning.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I hate losing more than anything like in the world,
and so I think fear of failure is a very
significant motivating factor from a detail standpoint, and you know,
there's nothing that's too small, that's not significant, that has
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to exist outside the lines as well.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, I mean I think highly organized people don't need
wide margins, right, highly organized people don't need wide margins margins.
I can read about a pro athlete that can't retire
in one hundred million dollars, and I'm like, well, I
know school teachers that are retired on one and live
very comfortable, great lives. If you need one hundred million
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dollars to retire comfortably, you're not great in the details.
You're not very efficient. There's a quality of life at
one or two million dollars in retirement. Jmak, we both
like the Dallas Cowboys to night, Greg Cosell. In one hour, I.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Was just looking at your Broncos, Colin. So, not only
do they struggle on the road this season, winning a
bunch of close games, but they faced four backup quarterbacks
this season, and guess who they got this week the Raiders,
and they are huge favorites in a dangerous game.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
But you know the last two years who's led the
NFL in point differential? Lions Ravens. How they do in
the playoffs, they're not ready for it. Denver and Chicago
are like, yeah, we've been in close games. Denver's trailed
every game this year at one point, so the Lion,
the Ravens the last two years before this year, but
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last year and the year before we saw this all
the time. NFC teams that played Baltimore just got destroyed.
It does you no value in the playoffs winning close.
To me, it builds a confidence in close games. I mean,
if you go back to Michael Jordan's great highlights, the
first one you think about that Cleveland series, it's a
game winning shot because they trailed, or the Utah shot,
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game winning shot because they trailed. Michael Jordan's highlights with
the against the Knicks. You know, even Michael Jordan and
the greatest team ever and the greatest player ever. Do
you know how many like grueling six game series they
were in, how many times they actually lost at home?
You gotta win close, and I think it builds stuff
beyond just a w.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
The only thing is they're beating bad teams in close games.
Those Michael Jordan are epic playoff games. This is like
Davis Mills, Okay, this is the Raiders ten to seven
at home. I will just cast you after this Raiders
game this week, Packers, Jags, Chiefs, Chargers, that will be
the truth serum. For the Broncos, they'll probably go one
in three or two and two down the street.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
What are you laughing at? Come on, here's all playoff teams.
I have been hearing this now for weeks about the
Chicago Bears. Oh, this game's true serum. Yeah, they just
went to Philly. That was a great win and knocked
the barn door over. You know, like guys, they keep winning,
like Denver, Well this one, this next one. I saw
them play Kansas City and I was told, oh, this
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game against the Chiefs, they'll be true serum. They won
that one.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Now by me, I was on the Broncos that one.
But by the way, do you have Broncos Super Bowl futures?
Are you gonna put Towns a couple of don't? I
don't divulge all my super Bowl future. Put your money
where your mouth this big guy. I picked Denver to
win the division. I think their roster is great.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I like bo Nicks and Sean Payton's history is bumpy.
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a job in Vegas out of college, I love boxing,
and boxing was already exploding. Thomas Hitman, her and Sugar
Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler and I would go to these
boxing events and was amazing these fights and there'd be
three judges, each sitting in a different part of the ring.
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And that's because you can all see a different fight
based on the angle. And so I'm reading a story
this morning that old Miss Players, an old Miss Athletic
Director dispute Lane Kiffen's version of what was said as
he left folks different angles. Where are you sitting? I
mean movie critics Gene Siskel, one of the great movie
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critics of all time, didn't like Silence of the Lambs. Sorry,
you know they rarely agreed on movies. I mean he
and Ebert. So the bottom line is there's three sides
to every story. Your side, my side, and the truth.
As they say, so Old Miss ad Old missus players.
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They're bitter, they're angry, they got dumped. They're emotional, they're scorned.
They're gonna hear things one way. Lane Kiffen leaving Old
Miss to LSU is hyped, optimistic, energized, can't wait. Maybe
maybe a little guilt, but he's hungry and aggressive and things.
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He needed his job the right way at Old Miss.
And there's a reason we need divorce attorneys, somebody, somebody
to come in without emotion and make a decision. Old
Miss got dumped and they're angry, and you could argue
they have a right to be angry, But I don't
suddenly believe everything Old Miss players and the athletic director
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and the boosters and the donors are saying all of us,
when dumped, are overly emotional, or at least emotional. So
I've argued from the beginning, you knew what you were
getting when you hired him and Old Miss. Maybe not
for all programs, but for Old Miss, it was better
to have had Lane Kiffin and lost him than to
have not had Lane Kiffen at all and Old Miss.
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The college football playoffs starts in two weeks. Everybody's been
against you. Why because you go to the airport, flip
people off and scream ugly things, and you're not concentrating
on your players and your game plan and your team.
I understand being angry, but I'm less inclined to listen
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to people who are highly emotional. I'm really if you're
highly emotional as a coach, a little league dad, a
soccer or pageant mom, I'm not really interested in your opinion. Okay,
So this idea that Lane Lane is just you know,
he's just embellishing it. He's hungry, he's excited. It's signing day.
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It's a new job. I've had four new jobs in
my life. You can't see straight. You're so happy, got
a new challenge. You're putting together a staff at signing day,
you can't wait. I couldn't even get my hair right.
The bottom line is the faster Ole Miss gets over it,
the better chance I have to win in the college
football playoff. Now, Joel Klatt and I but just here's
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Joel Klatt's opinion on Lane leaving the way Lane left.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
I don't begrudge this man his movement, and he's going
to go, and he thought LSU was going to be
a better opportunity for he and his family, you know,
more power to him, But that doesn't mean that there
are not consequences to those decisions. And he did leave
a team high and dry, and he left those players
high and dry. That's going to hurt his credibility moving forward.
And he also went to a place that, let's face it,
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is not as sound foundationally. They might have more resources,
but it's certainly a lot more crazy at LSU. It's like, listen,
you know you can go with a six to prom
and that six is going to be committed to you.
You take the nine. She might be crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I think LSU and Lane Kiffin both are a little crazy.
It's not a thirty year marriage. It's going to be
like a three or four year relationship, and I can't
wait to watch Hollywood. Divorces are far more interesting than
stable thirty year marriages. Not saying they're better for society,
you're better for the kids. Yeah, Lane's a little crazy.
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LSU's a little crazy. Okay, there is a reason eyewitness
testimony is the least reliable evidence. People are highly emotional.
Take a deep breath, ale, miss, concentrate on you keep
the thing the thing. Bitterness doesn't win playoff games. J
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Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
No, no, turn on the news. This is the herdline news.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
All right, let's bust right into it.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
She'd dore Sanders versus cam Ward on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Feel the excitement, Colin.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Two big names from the twenty twenty five NFL draft,
Ward win one shed her kind of tumble down draft boards.
Shuder obviously said there's no added motivation here, saying he
just wants to win the game and play well. Your thoughts,
Colin on these hugely important matchup, Well.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I think cam Ward's a much greater talent. I think
Shadu or Sanders is a more fascinating story. I think
Cleveland at Home is gonna win this football game. I
have strongly considered it for the Blazing five inclusion. I
got to get back in my winning ways.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
I think you bet you're backing Shader Sanders laying four.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
And a half. My take is anything between four and
five points. I generally like the favorites because Vegas doesn't
want to make anybody minus four minus five. They want
to make you minus three. And I think it tells
you that Cleveland's a much better football team. There are
things Cleveland does every single week that they're exceptional. In
Tennessee doesn't do anything consistently at an exceptional level. And
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I get the home team with the significantly better defense.
I like Cleveland. Yeah if you don't.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
If you play fantasy, you have to start the Browns
defense this week. They probably could score twenty points on
their own. I just can't, you know, fundamentally, put my
after tax dollar on the Browns with Shader Sanders needed
to cover a spread. I mean, come on, like that,
that's a bridge too far from I will say Cleveland
now is interesting to watch. I find myself tuning into
Cleveland game.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
You gotta watch Miles Garrett. Is he gonna set the record.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
He may do it this week. Honestly, he may break
the sack record this week. He might have another five bagger.
All right, let's move on to Josh Allen, an actually
good quarterback. Sorry, rookies, how about this wacky stat that
our guys found.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
This is crazy.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
So he scored a rushing touchdown Sunday. He's seventy sixth.
It's now, he's now the number one rushing touchdowns for quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
But here's what's crazy.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
He's scored more rushing touchdowns than a lot of Hall
of Fame running backs. Alan's total ranks twenty fifth in
NFL history among all players.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
That's crally, that's crazy. I mean, so our guy had.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
A list here, Okay, Gail Sayers or Josh Allen.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Who do you think has more rushing with Josh Allen?
Gale Sayers had a short career. Okay, let's go o.
J Simpson or Josh Allen. I don't know whatever happened
to Ojay, but I'd say Josh Allen, Thurman Thomas or
Josh Allen. Now that's closer. I would say Thurman.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Thomas, Josh Allen, Earl Campbell or Josh Allen.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
I mean it's a theme here, yeah, yeah, No, I
would say Josh Allen Derman Thomas, it was it close.
It was close.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Yeah, Thurman Thomas had sixty five and Josh Allen's had
seventy six. But Thrman Thomas was integral and all those gres. Yeah,
and this just goes to show Josh Allen is the man.
I won't ask the question sometimes they put questions here for.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Me to ask. Colin. Are the bills wasting Josh Allen
but not wasting it? But he is now moving toward
the middle of his prime. The early years of it
are done. Now he's in the middle of it, and
you're getting to a point in three years he could
be like moving out of the prime.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
When you run and.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Get hit, you get about eight years. He's still good
in the pocket. No, yeah, but Camon big Band got
old really fast. I mean Stafford's age quick. Stafford now
has held the year that it felt like when he
first got to LA And I mean I feel like
Stafford's getting great protection this year. Stafford all of a
sudden is not getting hit.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
It's he's releasing the ball quickly. But like, yeah, Cam
Newton couldn't win from the pocket like Josh Allen, No way, Now,
Cam did take a bunch of hits, but he also
had some off field stuff that didn't endear teams. I'll
just say this about Josh Allen Colin. He can stay healthy,
unlike Lamar Jackson and unlike Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I mean, like, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
I know those guys are all going to be lumped together,
but Mahomes and Allen don't get hurt.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I've said this about Kayleb Williams and bow Nicks. They
don't take a lot of sacks now, and they're durable.
And I mean, durability is a huge thing. Eli Manning,
Brett Farv, Tom Brady. Durability is a huge thing, all right.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Final story Collins Marcus Freeman, one of the best coaches
in college football. He's a little upset that Alabama leapt
ahead of the Irish and the latest college football playoff rankings.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Freeman said he disagreed.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
We have sound of Marcus Freeman a little ticked off
about Alabama.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Obviously, you're disappointed, but more so because a little bit
of confusion. You're confused in terms of what we could
have done differently right and why we fell when we
won forty nine to twenty. I think we were up
forty forty two to six going in the fourth quarter.
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You always look for calls and effect. You look for
a reason and why. You know, you go up or
you fall.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
This is one of the problems calling Chris Feldman. I'm
sure you read his column. I think he's coming on
the show later. Like there's no rhyme or reason to
what they're doing. It's goofy, it's embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Well, you know, the print media, certainly not talk radio,
but print media has always had a soft spot for
the little guy. I do not I would take Miami
and Notre Dame and Texas and put him in. I
think when you get to the final twelve teams, nobody
went to national championship. That doesn't recruit at an elite level.
So why are we trying to fool ourselves, including like
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the second best team here or the third bet like
last year we had SMU in good program, shouldn't be
in a playoff. But if we're gonna do this and
kind of make exceptions so the little guy can play along,
all right, that's fine. But we don't have the twelve
best teams in. We just don't what we should do.
I think the better way to do it is do
the four four to two two thing they talked about,
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which is SEC gets for Big ten gets four, Big
twelve gets four, ACC gets two. I mean that way,
at least you take the committee out of it. I
would have no problem doing the five five two. Well, wait,
we'll hold on. Hold on.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Four to four two is goofy because the fifth best
team in the Big ten could be better than the
fourth best team in the SEC, which would you know,
or vice versa. I think you got to toss that out.
I don't understand why they can't use logic and data
and numbers, which all show Notre Dame is a playoff team.
Everything you want to look at strength, the schedule, sager
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and some of these sp plus some of these advanced stats,
like why can't they just do that?
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Well they did. We used to have computers do it.
Nobody liked it. Well, that was only two teams, right, Well,
I mean you need more media to the computers, and
now it's a committee. I don't think any of those
aren't necessary. I don't think the NFL used computers. I
don't think the NFL uses an arbitrary ca Well that's
a pro league.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Come on.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Well, college football now has never been more pro. You
have a free agency period, coaches make ten million plus. Yeah,
there's a salary cap. Come on, and no, no.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
In college basketball, there's beef about who makes the NCAA tournament.
The problem is it seemed like sixty eight, right, you know,
nobody cares. But when it's like big brands, listen, if.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Notre Dame, Miami and Alabama all happened to miss, that's
terrible for college football. You got admit that. Oh again,
I don't have this soft spot for the little guy.
I'm not saying that Utah shouldn't get in. I don't
consider them a little guy or like B I don't
consider BYU with their huge nil money to be a
little guy. They're a very solid program and if they
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go undefeated or only have one close loft. I watched
BYU play Texas Tech. It wasn't competitive. That was to me.
That was their moment and it was not couldn't move
the ball. All right, you're not a playoff team. And
I don't lose a niche sleep over that. So J
mckle the news, Well that's the news, and thanks for
stopping by the Heard Line news. So there is this story.
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Chums is reporting that Jannis Milwaukee buck Star and his
agent are now having conversations about his future and will
know more in the next couple of weeks. So, I mean, listen,
Milwaukee's not even a legitimate team a big time threat
to win the East to in the East, not the West,
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which may have like seven of the top eight teams
the East. One of the reasons I have so much
respect for the Green Bay Packers they have moved off icons,
Brett Aaron Rodgers far still had a lot in the tank.
So Milwaukee's five times as big as Green Bay. It's
the big city right next to Green Bay. I mean
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they even have in Milwaukee, they even have a Costco.
And yet they act like Green Bay. Like the Packers
act like a big city team. You know, they move
off guys, they move off icons. They're like a They're
run like a big city team. And Milwaukee now it's like,
come on, man, they're terrified to acknowledge that. Listen. They
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don't control any of their first round picks until I
think it's twenty thirty one, and they're going to be
paying Damian Lillard twenty million a year for the next
four or five years. They're in a bad spot in Milwaukee.
They're not relevant in the East. The West has okay
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see in Denver, and I mean, go look at the West.
Go look at the standings in the West. I mean,
look how good the Lakers are. And we're like, yeah,
they couldn't win the West. So OKC, the Green Bay
Packers of the NBA OKC. Sam Presty moved off, James
Harden moved off, Paul George traded Russell Westbrook. Those are
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wildly popular players. So it's just interesting to me. I
think the Milwaukee Bucks need to kind of reset their
draft picks. I mean, they don't control any of their
first round picks. And the other thing that's scary about
that is that for a long time, for about a
twenty year period, first round NBA draft picks weren't that
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valuable because you know, you were getting guys that were
nineteen years old. What's happened because of the nil college basketball. Now,
the next three picks next year are superstar level players,
and then the following ten after that could be all stars.
Over the last two to three years, if you noticed
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how good the NBA drafts getting, why because guys like
Zach Edie are staying one more year in college because
of Nil and the American colleges are poaching the top
twelve to fifteen European young guys. So college basketball is
now incredibly watchable, packed with talent load. The best teams
have multiple NBA players. You want your draft picks, Yeah,
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Milwaukee didn't control any of them for like twenty thirty one.
So right now Jannis is out for a couple of weeks.
Five of the top six teams records are in the West,
and Milwaukee's not viable in the East. Make a move.
I mean, the last three seasons with Yannis, who there's
an argument he's been the first or second best player
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in the league. Last three years in the East first
round exits, So they're they're acting the packers down the
road or up the road. I mean, they're moving on Farv.
It's hard to explain how below Farv was in Green
Bay more, I mean, which is amazing. Farv was more beloved,
moved off him, moved off him, and he was still
really good. Remember that Minnesota year or two he was
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still a pro bowler. So I think the smartest people
I've ever met, ever met in any industry. They have
one thing in common. It's not where they went to college.
It's not it really isn't flexibility. They crave flexibility. That's
what Jerry Jones did. Like Cowboy fans did not want
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Jerry Jones to trade Micah, and Jerry's like, I have
to to get flexibility. The Bucks are bad in the East.
They have no flexibility, don't control their draft picks, paying
Damian Lillard. They got to take a big swing. They
are stuck. You got to get out of being stuck.
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That's what Jerry Jones didn't sign Mike. He's like, I
gotta get unstuck. So it's almost like I'm telling Milwaukee,
like diversify your portfolio. And I love Yannis, but this
is it's not working. And I'm not being a hypocrite.
I said this three years ago when they got really old,
really fast, Like, guys, you gotta title out of it,
(30:11):
restock the cupboard, get five. I mean, I think with
Yannis and j Mack. You may disagree. I think with
Yannis you could get four first round picks, and in
an improved draft, for I would give up four first
round picks.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
The problem is nobody really has that except really okayc
which is scary.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
And I don't think will happen. That's the problem.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
So Colin, let's say there's nobody with four first round picks.
Would you want to would you want to clean up
the books and just get like salary dust and you.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Go to ok see, give us chet Holmgren. We'll give
you y Honis four first round picks, and like a
lou Dort or another really good you give me, I'll
give you Yannis. I get because okay, so you can
do it. Four first round picks. I need a big
give me chet Holmgren who's younger. It may be a
more natural and and uh fight offensive player, can shoot threes,
(31:01):
can handle the ball. Well, you give me home Grin,
you give me another starter. I need another good starter
and a bench player. Well, they might want a round picks.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
They might want to move off Caruso or one of
these guys that they got to pay again in a
year or two. But that's interesting. Con let me ask you.
The thunder just won the title. They are I believe,
twenty one and one on pace to win seventy four games,
and you're gonna break that up and bring on Yiannis.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I'm not giving up Sga. I'm not giving up Jalen Williams.
I'm not giving up Sam Presty. I'm not giving up
the GM. I'd be giving up a starter who's not
as good as Giannis, another starter and four picks. Well,
I might take more than just one. They might take
Russo and Caseon r Ask you this, what is ok
C gonna do with all these first round picks. Well,
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that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
They can move off like they're players like five, six, seven,
eight are good. They're gonna have to pay them. Just
let them walk, don't pay them and bring on they might.
As of right now, okay See has two top ten
picks in the draft next year.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
That's terrifying for them. League. Now, Giannis makes what is
it fifty a year, chet Holmgren makes thirteen, So you
have to get the salaries to match. You may need
a third you may need a third team like Houston, Fine.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
But yeah, salaries connext now, that would be one of
the best dynastys in NBA history. If you bring giannest
okay See that arrival the Warriors and Durant and Curry
that arrival Jordan's Bulls.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Would it it'll be it'd be great to this idea. Ooh,
you can't break stuff up. Remember when the I always
say you need to break stuff up, like every couple
of years because like maybe maybe you don't. But at
the trade deadline, because okay, so he's the best team
in the league, and you're like, why should we take
a chance on it to get Yannis, lose Holmegren, lou
(32:41):
Dort four picks. You can't just say howe Rossman can
win a super Bowl? You know what? How he does
in the offseason trades people.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Yeah, but he's not trading Jalen Hurts, sa Quon Barkley,
AJ Brown. He's not trading his core guys. You could
do stuff around the edges. I mean, Chet's their third
best player. He was their second best player in certain
games last year. I would trade my third best player
for Giannis.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Third and four picks and two other guys.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Yeah, that's a whole I mean, if you're the Bucks,
that that's a good you.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
It's a great get. If you get four picks. Well,
they're trying to get unstuck. Yeah, got to take a
big swing on I'm just throwing it out there. You
got to get salaries to match. But I'm curious with
the OKC fan.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
We have a lot of OKC fans, at least a
dozen listen to this show, so I'm really curious what
they're thought.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
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Speaker 1 (34:02):
I'll take Ohio State by a touchdown ish, I think
Georgia struggles with Bama. I would probably take Georgia to
beat Alabama. Yeah, Texas Tech Big twelve and nobody cares
too much about the ACC, although I think it's ridiculous
(34:25):
that if Duke wins over Virginia then nobody from the
ACC goes Bruce Feldman later on the show. So football's
got a salary cap, Hockey's got one, NBA has one
MLS has, you know, tight screws on their salaries. Baseball
does not have a salary cap. I'm pretty okay with it.
(34:48):
I think there should be a floor where a billionaire
should have to spend a certain amount of money to
be viable. But I don't like taking money from the
richest owners and the the smartest gms and owners and
giving it to the guys that aren't as well run.
Dave Roberts was asked this week about a Major League
(35:09):
Baseball salary cap. The Dodgers manager said this.
Speaker 8 (35:14):
You know what, I'm alright with that. I think the
NBA has done a nice job of kind of revenue
sharing with the players and the owners. But if you're
going to kind of suppress spending at the top, I
think that you got to raise the floor to make
those bottom feed or spend money too.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
So far, the Dylan Ceize just made two hundred and
ten million dollars. He was acquired by a team. It
was not the Yankees or the Dodgers, or the Cubs,
or the Mets or the Phillies. It was a team
in Canada. Toronto's like, we got a rich owner, We're
gonna spend money. By the way, richest owner in baseball
is Steve Cohen. How the Mets do They've missed the
(35:54):
playoffs three times. By the way, the Washington Nationals owner
third or fourth richest, they were the third worst team
in baseball. Major League Baseball is on fire. The TV ratings,
the attendance, the vibe. And there's two reasons it's on fire.
Number one, they've done a really smart job to speed
the game up. Rob Manfred deserves a lot of credit,
(36:16):
and it also helps that the big brands are on fire.
But you know what else made the playoffs really great?
The underdog stories. The well run Cleveland Guardians, the well
run Seattle Mariners. They're really well run Milwaukee Brewers. So
you had a lot of David and Goliath. Now Goliath
may win those in the end, but it made for
fascinating storytelling. So again, Steve Cohen Ilich family in Detroit,
(36:40):
I think second richest the Nationals owners, So I don't
think those guys should have to give money to the
Pittsburgh Pirates billionaire. The Pirates are bad, not because of
Major League Baseball or because of revenue sharing. The Pirates
owners cheap cause small market Seattle, the mall market Milwaukee
(37:01):
is doing just fine. Milwaukee is really well run. Does
Milwaukee have that much more money than Pittsburgh? Aren't they
kind of the same size as a market. So I
think baseball's on fire because of Rob Manfred's changes, because
the big markets are crushing, and because it's not as
lobsided as you want to believe it is. There's a
(37:23):
lot of small market stories doing really well. At one point,
I don't know what it ended up being in the
regular season. Didn't the Brewers sweep the Dodgers six to
oz in the regular season? Now by the time the
postseason came around and the Dodgers solved their bullpen, it
was a different story. But I mean, to me, the
sport's in an incredible spot, an absolutely incredible spot. We
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do have ourselves a dynasty going on because the Dodgers
have done one thing that is available to other owners,
but they haven't done it. They have deferred payments, and
so by getting Yoshi and Otani, these are unbelievable, transcendent players.
I mean, Yoshi was unbelievable, and the Dodgers out bit everybody,
(38:10):
and no question. But I've said this before about the Dodgers,
is they have so many guys Max Munsey, the A's
got rid of him. I mean, you look at Tommy Edmond.
It was a two to sixty hitter, a good defensive
player for the Cardinals. They moved off him. The Dodgers
are not just about Otani. Otani mostly could not hit
in the postseason. Mookie Bett struggled hit it. A lot
(38:34):
of their stars struggled. It was a lot of other
guys in the bullpen starting finally getting healthy. So I
think baseball is in an incredible place. If you're gonna
put anything in force teams at the bottom to have
to spend their billionaire owner to have to spend. Because
I do think the bottom of baseball right now. I
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mean the A's feel like a Triple A team, and
I think that bad for the sport. But the NFL's
got nine to ten unwatchable teams, NBA alas does so
the bottom of these leagues has never been great. All Right,
Greg Cosel is showing up. I did I want to
throw this out there. I mean maybe you noticed, but
(39:19):
I predicted when the nil happened in college football, I said,
the SEC will still be very good, but it won't
be as dominant. There's a lot more money at Notre
Dame phil Knight in Oregon, USC California's economy, Michigan, Michigan
and Notre Dame have top ten endowments in the country.
The other eight are mostly Ivy League schools. And did
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you notice now that you can pay players, did you
notice who had the best recruiting class USC at A
Los Angeles number two, Oregon, Phil Knight, Notre Dame depending
on the service, number three? First time in eighteen years,
wasn't an SEC team. Now George's got money. But you know,
(40:02):
we were joking around this morning in SEC, and this
is this is true in the SEC Alabama territory. Your
number two or three booster can be a car dealer.
In the Big tenets a car maker, and that's there
is a difference. And that doesn't mean Georgia can't be
really good. But when the NIL got created and college
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football went from purely college football to about thirty thirty
five percent NFL free agency scheduling was going to be
more even. Pay all your players that can transfer it
any time. And so you know, when I watched, did
you notice who signed a five star quarterback in the
South Vandy? Why would that be why what probably to
(40:49):
pay him?
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Right?
Speaker 1 (40:51):
The New York Times in twenty seventeen did a study
on economic outcomes. Economic outcomes, how much people that go
to all the SEC schools make. Vandy over two hundred
thousand dollars the median family income Banna closer to ninety
That's still pretty good, right. But in the end, NIL
(41:13):
didn't squish the little guy. Indiana is now a power.
Vanderbilt is outbidding everywhere. Vandy is the heady school in
the South two Lane by the way, another heady school.
They're pretty good. Everybody thought the NIL would squish the
little guy. It's hurt the big guy. It is seems
(41:36):
to me if Bandy's rolling, that wasn't happening ten years ago.
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Here we go, Cowboys playing a night against the Detroit Lions.
Greg Cosell one hour from now to break it all down.
What's wrong with Detroit? One is right with Dallas. Maybe
in La next week, in Chicago today, It's the Herd.
Wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Thanks
(00:48):
for making us part of your day. I and Jmac
both like Dallas tonight. I think Dallas wins by a
touchdown or more tonight. I think a lot of the
NFL is trends and which way you're headed. I think
Dallas is in the right direction, playing with a ton
of confidence now healthier than they've been all season. So
you and I agree on that, and let's just start
with them. So the Cowboys over under win total to
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start the year was seven and a half. I said,
bet the under Detroit's was ten and a half. Ten
and a half, I said bet the under, and here
we are week fourteen. They're pretty much the same. But
I think I'd rather be Dallas. I do. I like
where they're trending. And everybody's telling me it's injuries, or
(01:33):
it's the Frank Ragnow retirement, or it's Jared Goff. You
want to know why Detroit's not as good? They lost
Ben Johnson, the offensive coordinator. Now he's the coach of
the Bears, and the Bears are looking down at the Lions.
That's it. It's almost impossible. It's not hard. It's really
impossible to replace brilliance. I remember Nike two thousand and four,
(01:59):
Phil Knight step down as CEO. Nike, one of one,
a powerhouse, immediately starts losing market share to Adidas. Here
comes Phil, he comes back. We all know the story
of Steve Jobs left Apple. Apple was a powerhouse. They
begged to have him back ten years later. It's hard
to replace excellent people. I think Ben Johnson's different. I mean,
(02:22):
what a shock. Suddenly the Bears are as good as
any team in the league running the football. They weren't
last year, and suddenly now The Lions are horrible on
third down? How with that offensive line? How would Jamir
Gibbs with a veteran quarterback? How they're good at tight end,
wide receiver? How because I lost Ben Johnson. That's it.
(02:43):
I remember when Washington you remember this, had Sean McVay,
Kyle Shanahan, and Matt Lafleur in the building with Washington,
they were making the playoffs. Those guys left. I mean,
it wasn't until last year, for one year, that the
regression stop. Now they're bad again. You just can't replace
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McVeigh and Shanahan on his staff, arguably the two best
coaches in the league after Andy Reid and I I'll
die on this hill. The greater the talent you lose,
the wider the search has to be. You lose Jim
Harbaugh Michigan. You can't go in house. You lose Ben Johnson.
(03:26):
You can't go in house. The bigger the shoes I
have to fill, the more feet I need to see.
And when I watched the Lions, it's not Frank rag Now,
it's not omar On Saint Brown is banged up. It's
not Jared Goff doesn't have mobility. He didn't have it
the previous three years. They're just not quite as clever
(03:47):
and not quite as unique, even among really good people.
Jerry Jones said, Dak is irreplaceable, Mike is great, but replaceable,
and Mike is were to go, but he leaves. Dallas
is now second in the NFL in pressures. It's like,
we're actually better without my Ka because we got some
(04:07):
draft picks and made some deals. But I mean, Miami
still looking to find the next Marino. How many quarterbacks
they had forty? I mean literally, Denver to replace Elway
had to go get an old Peyton Manning. So it's
just it's the Lions lost an all time offensive coordinator,
(04:27):
an all time guy, and I love Dallas tonight nothing
quite feels the same when I watch them. The players
are great. It's not injuries. They've been injury plague previous years.
It's not the GM he's great. They just lost an
all timer who's now with the Bears. So I saw
a story this morning and it said the Broncos are
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the second NFL team in history to win four straight
games by three points or less. People are basically saying
what Denver is doing is not sustainable. You can't keep
winning in the fourth quarter like Denver's and I would say, no,
that's absolutely sustainable. What's not sustainable is when the Patriots
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went ten years without winning a Super Bowl, and those
Randy Moss years when you're scoring fifty and winning by
three touchdowns, they didn't win a super Bowl that year.
Every other Super Bowl Belichick and Brady were in in
New England all but one were one possession games. Further record,
Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback ever in one possession
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games sixty eight percent of games, sixty eight percent in
one score game, by the way, highest winning percentage when
trailing in the fourth quarter of the last two seasons,
Andy Reid and Sean Payton. So don't tell me it's
Mahomes because none of you like Bo Nicks. It's the coach.
Football has always been a game of inches. I go
(05:52):
back to the New England dynasty. Winning close is totally sustainable.
The New England dynasty. The two things that I would
jump out beyond Belichick and Brady art they never fumbled.
Honest to God, I was in New England at the time.
They never fumbled, and they were always way above average
on special teams. They didn't lead the league in sacks
very often. They didn't lead the league in touchdowns very often.
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When I look at Denver, it's absolutely coaching and details.
For instance, fewest sacks allowed, that's coaching. How do I
know that's coaching because Caleb Williams last year was the
most sacked quarterback. This year, he's one of the least sacks.
They changed coaches, right, So like it is coaching and demanding,
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not pandering. Bo Nicks not a big, strong guy breaking
tackles from defensive ends. He didn't get sacked. His dad
was a coach. He takes to coaching. Sean Payton. They're
also great on third down defense. Why that's situational coaching.
Red zone defense, situational coaching. And so when I look
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at New England's dynasty, it was all about details. I
don't know how many times they led the NFL in
total offense. I would wager it wasn't as many as
you think. I don't know how many times that led
the league in touchdowns. By the Randy marsh years, they
didn't win Super Bowls. So I've always thought, like Andy Reid,
Sean Payton. In fact, I looked this morning at the
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top five last two years, the top five winning percentages,
winning its coaches in one score games. It's all offensive coaches.
No Mike Tomblin up there. It's all offensive coaches. So
to me, this idea that what Denver's doing is not sustainable.
I love NBA teams and baseball teams and Pro football
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teams that win close. I think it builds character, it
builds unity. Winn by blowouts, that's not sustainable. If you're
doing that in the NFL, you're probably doing it because
you have a really good rookie quarterback on a rookie deal,
and then when you have to eventually pay him and
have to get rid of stars. You're not winning by that.
(08:08):
That's not sustainable. You don't see NFL teams going four
years blowing people out. You'll rarely get a year like that.
But winning close, Andy Reid, Sean Payton, Tom Brady totally
sustainable to me. Being good on third down offensively, not
getting sacked a lot, that's coaching. That's sustainable. Here's Sean
Payton on the way Denver's winning.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I hate losing more than anything like in the world,
and so I think fear of failure is a very
significant motivating factor from a detail standpoint, and you know,
there's nothing that's too small, that's not significant, that has
(08:54):
to exist outside the lines as well.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, I mean I think highly organized people don't need
wide margins, right, highly organized people don't need wide margins margins.
I can read about a pro athlete that can't retire
in one hundred million dollars, and I'm like, well, I
know school teachers that are retired on one and live
very comfortable, great lives. If you need one hundred million
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dollars to retire comfortably, you're not great in the details.
You're not very efficient. There's a quality of life at
one or two million dollars in retirement. Jmak, we both
like the Dallas Cowboys to night, Greg Cosell. In one hour, I.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Was just looking at your Broncos, Colin. So, not only
do they struggle on the road this season, winning a
bunch of close games, but they faced four backup quarterbacks
this season, and guess who they got this week the Raiders,
and they are huge favorites in a dangerous game.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
But you know the last two years who's led the
NFL in point differential? Lions Ravens. How they do in
the playoffs, they're not ready for it. Denver and Chicago
are like, yeah, we've been in close games. Denver's trailed
every game this year at one point, so the Lion,
the Ravens the last two years before this year, but
(10:12):
last year and the year before we saw this all
the time. NFC teams that played Baltimore just got destroyed.
It does you no value in the playoffs winning close.
To me, it builds a confidence in close games. I mean,
if you go back to Michael Jordan's great highlights, the
first one you think about that Cleveland series, it's a
game winning shot because they trailed, or the Utah shot,
(10:34):
game winning shot because they trailed. Michael Jordan's highlights with
the against the Knicks. You know, even Michael Jordan and
the greatest team ever and the greatest player ever. Do
you know how many like grueling six game series they
were in, how many times they actually lost at home?
You gotta win close, and I think it builds stuff
beyond just a w.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
The only thing is they're beating bad teams in close games.
Those Michael Jordan are epic playoff games. This is like
Davis Mills, Okay, this is the Raiders ten to seven
at home. I will just cast you after this Raiders
game this week, Packers, Jags, Chiefs, Chargers, that will be
the truth serum. For the Broncos, they'll probably go one
in three or two and two down the street.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
What are you laughing at? Come on, here's all playoff teams.
I have been hearing this now for weeks about the
Chicago Bears. Oh, this game's true serum. Yeah, they just
went to Philly. That was a great win and knocked
the barn door over. You know, like guys, they keep winning,
like Denver, Well this one, this next one. I saw
them play Kansas City and I was told, oh, this
(11:38):
game against the Chiefs, they'll be true serum. They won
that one.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Now by me, I was on the Broncos that one.
But by the way, do you have Broncos Super Bowl futures?
Are you gonna put Towns a couple of don't? I
don't divulge all my super Bowl future. Put your money
where your mouth this big guy. I picked Denver to
win the division. I think their roster is great.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I like bo Nicks and Sean Payton's history is bumpy.
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a job in Vegas out of college, I love boxing,
and boxing was already exploding. Thomas Hitman, her and Sugar
Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler and I would go to these
boxing events and was amazing these fights and there'd be
three judges, each sitting in a different part of the ring.
(13:06):
And that's because you can all see a different fight
based on the angle. And so I'm reading a story
this morning that old Miss Players, an old Miss Athletic
Director dispute Lane Kiffen's version of what was said as
he left folks different angles. Where are you sitting? I
mean movie critics Gene Siskel, one of the great movie
(13:29):
critics of all time, didn't like Silence of the Lambs. Sorry,
you know they rarely agreed on movies. I mean he
and Ebert. So the bottom line is there's three sides
to every story. Your side, my side, and the truth.
As they say, so Old Miss ad Old missus players.
(13:49):
They're bitter, they're angry, they got dumped. They're emotional, they're scorned.
They're gonna hear things one way. Lane Kiffen leaving Old
Miss to LSU is hyped, optimistic, energized, can't wait. Maybe
maybe a little guilt, but he's hungry and aggressive and things.
(14:10):
He needed his job the right way at Old Miss.
And there's a reason we need divorce attorneys, somebody, somebody
to come in without emotion and make a decision. Old
Miss got dumped and they're angry, and you could argue
they have a right to be angry, But I don't
suddenly believe everything Old Miss players and the athletic director
(14:34):
and the boosters and the donors are saying all of us,
when dumped, are overly emotional, or at least emotional. So
I've argued from the beginning, you knew what you were
getting when you hired him and Old Miss. Maybe not
for all programs, but for Old Miss, it was better
to have had Lane Kiffin and lost him than to
have not had Lane Kiffen at all and Old Miss.
(14:56):
The college football playoffs starts in two weeks. Everybody's been
against you. Why because you go to the airport, flip
people off and scream ugly things, and you're not concentrating
on your players and your game plan and your team.
I understand being angry, but I'm less inclined to listen
(15:19):
to people who are highly emotional. I'm really if you're
highly emotional as a coach, a little league dad, a
soccer or pageant mom, I'm not really interested in your opinion. Okay,
So this idea that Lane Lane is just you know,
he's just embellishing it. He's hungry, he's excited. It's signing day.
(15:44):
It's a new job. I've had four new jobs in
my life. You can't see straight. You're so happy, got
a new challenge. You're putting together a staff at signing day,
you can't wait. I couldn't even get my hair right.
The bottom line is the faster Ole Miss gets over it,
the better chance I have to win in the college
football playoff. Now, Joel Klatt and I but just here's
(16:06):
Joel Klatt's opinion on Lane leaving the way Lane left.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
I don't begrudge this man his movement, and he's going
to go, and he thought LSU was going to be
a better opportunity for he and his family, you know,
more power to him, But that doesn't mean that there
are not consequences to those decisions. And he did leave
a team high and dry, and he left those players
high and dry. That's going to hurt his credibility moving forward.
And he also went to a place that, let's face it,
(16:33):
is not as sound foundationally. They might have more resources,
but it's certainly a lot more crazy at LSU. It's like, listen,
you know you can go with a six to prom
and that six is going to be committed to you.
You take the nine. She might be crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I think LSU and Lane Kiffin both are a little crazy.
It's not a thirty year marriage. It's going to be
like a three or four year relationship, and I can't
wait to watch Hollywood. Divorces are far more interesting than
stable thirty year marriages. Not saying they're better for society,
you're better for the kids. Yeah, Lane's a little crazy.
(17:12):
LSU's a little crazy. Okay, there is a reason eyewitness
testimony is the least reliable evidence. People are highly emotional.
Take a deep breath, ale, miss, concentrate on you keep
the thing the thing. Bitterness doesn't win playoff games. J
(17:32):
Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
No, no, turn on the news. This is the herdline news.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
All right, let's bust right into it.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
She'd dore Sanders versus cam Ward on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Feel the excitement, Colin.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Two big names from the twenty twenty five NFL draft,
Ward win one shed her kind of tumble down draft boards.
Shuder obviously said there's no added motivation here, saying he
just wants to win the game and play well. Your thoughts,
Colin on these hugely important matchup, Well.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I think cam Ward's a much greater talent. I think
Shadu or Sanders is a more fascinating story. I think
Cleveland at Home is gonna win this football game. I
have strongly considered it for the Blazing five inclusion. I
got to get back in my winning ways.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
I think you bet you're backing Shader Sanders laying four.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
And a half. My take is anything between four and
five points. I generally like the favorites because Vegas doesn't
want to make anybody minus four minus five. They want
to make you minus three. And I think it tells
you that Cleveland's a much better football team. There are
things Cleveland does every single week that they're exceptional. In
Tennessee doesn't do anything consistently at an exceptional level. And
(18:45):
I get the home team with the significantly better defense.
I like Cleveland. Yeah if you don't.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
If you play fantasy, you have to start the Browns
defense this week. They probably could score twenty points on
their own. I just can't, you know, fundamentally, put my
after tax dollar on the Browns with Shader Sanders needed
to cover a spread. I mean, come on, like that,
that's a bridge too far from I will say Cleveland
now is interesting to watch. I find myself tuning into
Cleveland game.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
You gotta watch Miles Garrett. Is he gonna set the record.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
He may do it this week. Honestly, he may break
the sack record this week. He might have another five bagger.
All right, let's move on to Josh Allen, an actually
good quarterback. Sorry, rookies, how about this wacky stat that
our guys found.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
This is crazy.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
So he scored a rushing touchdown Sunday. He's seventy sixth.
It's now, he's now the number one rushing touchdowns for quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
But here's what's crazy.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
He's scored more rushing touchdowns than a lot of Hall
of Fame running backs. Alan's total ranks twenty fifth in
NFL history among all players.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
That's crally, that's crazy. I mean, so our guy had.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
A list here, Okay, Gail Sayers or Josh Allen.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Who do you think has more rushing with Josh Allen?
Gale Sayers had a short career. Okay, let's go o.
J Simpson or Josh Allen. I don't know whatever happened
to Ojay, but I'd say Josh Allen, Thurman Thomas or
Josh Allen. Now that's closer. I would say Thurman.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Thomas, Josh Allen, Earl Campbell or Josh Allen.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
I mean it's a theme here, yeah, yeah, No, I
would say Josh Allen Derman Thomas, it was it close.
It was close.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Yeah, Thurman Thomas had sixty five and Josh Allen's had
seventy six. But Thrman Thomas was integral and all those gres. Yeah,
and this just goes to show Josh Allen is the man.
I won't ask the question sometimes they put questions here for.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Me to ask. Colin. Are the bills wasting Josh Allen
but not wasting it? But he is now moving toward
the middle of his prime. The early years of it
are done. Now he's in the middle of it, and
you're getting to a point in three years he could
be like moving out of the prime.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
When you run and.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Get hit, you get about eight years. He's still good
in the pocket. No, yeah, but Camon big Band got
old really fast. I mean Stafford's age quick. Stafford now
has held the year that it felt like when he
first got to LA And I mean I feel like
Stafford's getting great protection this year. Stafford all of a
sudden is not getting hit.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
It's he's releasing the ball quickly. But like, yeah, Cam
Newton couldn't win from the pocket like Josh Allen, No way, Now,
Cam did take a bunch of hits, but he also
had some off field stuff that didn't endear teams. I'll
just say this about Josh Allen Colin. He can stay healthy,
unlike Lamar Jackson and unlike Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I mean, like, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
I know those guys are all going to be lumped together,
but Mahomes and Allen don't get hurt.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I've said this about Kayleb Williams and bow Nicks. They
don't take a lot of sacks now, and they're durable.
And I mean, durability is a huge thing. Eli Manning,
Brett Farv, Tom Brady. Durability is a huge thing, all right.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Final story Collins Marcus Freeman, one of the best coaches
in college football. He's a little upset that Alabama leapt
ahead of the Irish and the latest college football playoff rankings.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Freeman said he disagreed.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
We have sound of Marcus Freeman a little ticked off
about Alabama.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Obviously, you're disappointed, but more so because a little bit
of confusion. You're confused in terms of what we could
have done differently right and why we fell when we
won forty nine to twenty. I think we were up
forty forty two to six going in the fourth quarter.
(22:24):
You always look for calls and effect. You look for
a reason and why. You know, you go up or
you fall.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
This is one of the problems calling Chris Feldman. I'm
sure you read his column. I think he's coming on
the show later. Like there's no rhyme or reason to
what they're doing. It's goofy, it's embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Well, you know, the print media, certainly not talk radio,
but print media has always had a soft spot for
the little guy. I do not I would take Miami
and Notre Dame and Texas and put him in. I
think when you get to the final twelve teams, nobody
went to national championship. That doesn't recruit at an elite level.
So why are we trying to fool ourselves, including like
(23:03):
the second best team here or the third bet like
last year we had SMU in good program, shouldn't be
in a playoff. But if we're gonna do this and
kind of make exceptions so the little guy can play along,
all right, that's fine. But we don't have the twelve
best teams in. We just don't what we should do.
I think the better way to do it is do
the four four to two two thing they talked about,
(23:24):
which is SEC gets for Big ten gets four, Big
twelve gets four, ACC gets two. I mean that way,
at least you take the committee out of it. I
would have no problem doing the five five two. Well, wait,
we'll hold on. Hold on.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Four to four two is goofy because the fifth best
team in the Big ten could be better than the
fourth best team in the SEC, which would you know,
or vice versa. I think you got to toss that out.
I don't understand why they can't use logic and data
and numbers, which all show Notre Dame is a playoff team.
Everything you want to look at strength, the schedule, sager
(24:00):
and some of these sp plus some of these advanced stats,
like why can't they just do that?
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Well they did. We used to have computers do it.
Nobody liked it. Well, that was only two teams, right, Well,
I mean you need more media to the computers, and
now it's a committee. I don't think any of those
aren't necessary. I don't think the NFL used computers. I
don't think the NFL uses an arbitrary ca Well that's
a pro league.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Come on.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Well, college football now has never been more pro. You
have a free agency period, coaches make ten million plus. Yeah,
there's a salary cap. Come on, and no, no.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
In college basketball, there's beef about who makes the NCAA tournament.
The problem is it seemed like sixty eight, right, you know,
nobody cares. But when it's like big brands, listen, if.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Notre Dame, Miami and Alabama all happened to miss, that's
terrible for college football. You got admit that. Oh again,
I don't have this soft spot for the little guy.
I'm not saying that Utah shouldn't get in. I don't
consider them a little guy or like B I don't
consider BYU with their huge nil money to be a
little guy. They're a very solid program and if they
(25:06):
go undefeated or only have one close loft. I watched
BYU play Texas Tech. It wasn't competitive. That was to me.
That was their moment and it was not couldn't move
the ball. All right, you're not a playoff team. And
I don't lose a niche sleep over that. So J
mckle the news, Well that's the news, and thanks for
stopping by the Heard Line news. So there is this story.
(25:27):
Chums is reporting that Jannis Milwaukee buck Star and his
agent are now having conversations about his future and will
know more in the next couple of weeks. So, I mean, listen,
Milwaukee's not even a legitimate team a big time threat
to win the East to in the East, not the West,
(25:49):
which may have like seven of the top eight teams
the East. One of the reasons I have so much
respect for the Green Bay Packers they have moved off icons,
Brett Aaron Rodgers far still had a lot in the tank.
So Milwaukee's five times as big as Green Bay. It's
the big city right next to Green Bay. I mean
(26:11):
they even have in Milwaukee, they even have a Costco.
And yet they act like Green Bay. Like the Packers
act like a big city team. You know, they move
off guys, they move off icons. They're like a They're
run like a big city team. And Milwaukee now it's like,
come on, man, they're terrified to acknowledge that. Listen. They
(26:39):
don't control any of their first round picks until I
think it's twenty thirty one, and they're going to be
paying Damian Lillard twenty million a year for the next
four or five years. They're in a bad spot in Milwaukee.
They're not relevant in the East. The West has okay
(26:59):
see in Denver, and I mean, go look at the West.
Go look at the standings in the West. I mean,
look how good the Lakers are. And we're like, yeah,
they couldn't win the West. So OKC, the Green Bay
Packers of the NBA OKC. Sam Presty moved off, James
Harden moved off, Paul George traded Russell Westbrook. Those are
(27:22):
wildly popular players. So it's just interesting to me. I
think the Milwaukee Bucks need to kind of reset their
draft picks. I mean, they don't control any of their
first round picks. And the other thing that's scary about
that is that for a long time, for about a
twenty year period, first round NBA draft picks weren't that
(27:42):
valuable because you know, you were getting guys that were
nineteen years old. What's happened because of the nil college basketball. Now,
the next three picks next year are superstar level players,
and then the following ten after that could be all stars.
Over the last two to three years, if you noticed
(28:03):
how good the NBA drafts getting, why because guys like
Zach Edie are staying one more year in college because
of Nil and the American colleges are poaching the top
twelve to fifteen European young guys. So college basketball is
now incredibly watchable, packed with talent load. The best teams
have multiple NBA players. You want your draft picks, Yeah,
(28:24):
Milwaukee didn't control any of them for like twenty thirty one.
So right now Jannis is out for a couple of weeks.
Five of the top six teams records are in the West,
and Milwaukee's not viable in the East. Make a move.
I mean, the last three seasons with Yannis, who there's
an argument he's been the first or second best player
(28:46):
in the league. Last three years in the East first
round exits, So they're they're acting the packers down the
road or up the road. I mean, they're moving on Farv.
It's hard to explain how below Farv was in Green
Bay more, I mean, which is amazing. Farv was more beloved,
moved off him, moved off him, and he was still
really good. Remember that Minnesota year or two he was
(29:08):
still a pro bowler. So I think the smartest people
I've ever met, ever met in any industry. They have
one thing in common. It's not where they went to college.
It's not it really isn't flexibility. They crave flexibility. That's
what Jerry Jones did. Like Cowboy fans did not want
(29:30):
Jerry Jones to trade Micah, and Jerry's like, I have
to to get flexibility. The Bucks are bad in the East.
They have no flexibility, don't control their draft picks, paying
Damian Lillard. They got to take a big swing. They
are stuck. You got to get out of being stuck.
(29:51):
That's what Jerry Jones didn't sign Mike. He's like, I
gotta get unstuck. So it's almost like I'm telling Milwaukee,
like diversify your portfolio. And I love Yannis, but this
is it's not working. And I'm not being a hypocrite.
I said this three years ago when they got really old,
really fast, Like, guys, you gotta title out of it,
(30:11):
restock the cupboard, get five. I mean, I think with
Yannis and j Mack. You may disagree. I think with
Yannis you could get four first round picks, and in
an improved draft, for I would give up four first
round picks.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
The problem is nobody really has that except really okayc
which is scary.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
And I don't think will happen. That's the problem.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
So Colin, let's say there's nobody with four first round picks.
Would you want to would you want to clean up
the books and just get like salary dust and you.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Go to ok see, give us chet Holmgren. We'll give
you y Honis four first round picks, and like a
lou Dort or another really good you give me, I'll
give you Yannis. I get because okay, so you can
do it. Four first round picks. I need a big
give me chet Holmgren who's younger. It may be a
more natural and and uh fight offensive player, can shoot threes,
(31:01):
can handle the ball. Well, you give me home Grin,
you give me another starter. I need another good starter
and a bench player. Well, they might want a round picks.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
They might want to move off Caruso or one of
these guys that they got to pay again in a
year or two. But that's interesting. Con let me ask you.
The thunder just won the title. They are I believe,
twenty one and one on pace to win seventy four games,
and you're gonna break that up and bring on Yiannis.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I'm not giving up Sga. I'm not giving up Jalen Williams.
I'm not giving up Sam Presty. I'm not giving up
the GM. I'd be giving up a starter who's not
as good as Giannis, another starter and four picks. Well,
I might take more than just one. They might take
Russo and Caseon r Ask you this, what is ok
C gonna do with all these first round picks. Well,
(31:47):
that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
They can move off like they're players like five, six, seven,
eight are good. They're gonna have to pay them. Just
let them walk, don't pay them and bring on they might.
As of right now, okay See has two top ten
picks in the draft next year.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
That's terrifying for them. League. Now, Giannis makes what is
it fifty a year, chet Holmgren makes thirteen, So you
have to get the salaries to match. You may need
a third you may need a third team like Houston, Fine.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
But yeah, salaries connext now, that would be one of
the best dynastys in NBA history. If you bring giannest
okay See that arrival the Warriors and Durant and Curry
that arrival Jordan's Bulls.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Would it it'll be it'd be great to this idea. Ooh,
you can't break stuff up. Remember when the I always
say you need to break stuff up, like every couple
of years because like maybe maybe you don't. But at
the trade deadline, because okay, so he's the best team
in the league, and you're like, why should we take
a chance on it to get Yannis, lose Holmegren, lou
(32:41):
Dort four picks. You can't just say howe Rossman can
win a super Bowl? You know what? How he does
in the offseason trades people.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Yeah, but he's not trading Jalen Hurts, sa Quon Barkley,
AJ Brown. He's not trading his core guys. You could
do stuff around the edges. I mean, Chet's their third
best player. He was their second best player in certain
games last year. I would trade my third best player
for Giannis.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Third and four picks and two other guys.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Yeah, that's a whole I mean, if you're the Bucks,
that that's a good you.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
It's a great get. If you get four picks. Well,
they're trying to get unstuck. Yeah, got to take a
big swing on I'm just throwing it out there. You
got to get salaries to match. But I'm curious with
the OKC fan.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
We have a lot of OKC fans, at least a
dozen listen to this show, so I'm really curious what
they're thought.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Sorry, guys, I had to Greg Cosell. Top of next hour,
It's The Herd.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon eastern non a em Pacific Saturday.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
For the first time in conference history, number one and
number two.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Collide in the Big Ten title game.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Heisman front runners collide as Julian Sayan leads Number one
Ohio State against Fernando Mendoza and number two Indiana. Coverage
begins saturd at six thirty eastern non Fox.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
I'll take Ohio State by a touchdown ish, I think
Georgia struggles with Bama. I would probably take Georgia to
beat Alabama. Yeah, Texas Tech Big twelve and nobody cares
too much about the ACC, although I think it's ridiculous
(34:25):
that if Duke wins over Virginia then nobody from the
ACC goes Bruce Feldman later on the show. So football's
got a salary cap, Hockey's got one, NBA has one
MLS has, you know, tight screws on their salaries. Baseball
does not have a salary cap. I'm pretty okay with it.
(34:48):
I think there should be a floor where a billionaire
should have to spend a certain amount of money to
be viable. But I don't like taking money from the
richest owners and the the smartest gms and owners and
giving it to the guys that aren't as well run.
Dave Roberts was asked this week about a Major League
(35:09):
Baseball salary cap. The Dodgers manager said this.
Speaker 8 (35:14):
You know what, I'm alright with that. I think the
NBA has done a nice job of kind of revenue
sharing with the players and the owners. But if you're
going to kind of suppress spending at the top, I
think that you got to raise the floor to make
those bottom feed or spend money too.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
So far, the Dylan Ceize just made two hundred and
ten million dollars. He was acquired by a team. It
was not the Yankees or the Dodgers, or the Cubs,
or the Mets or the Phillies. It was a team
in Canada. Toronto's like, we got a rich owner, We're
gonna spend money. By the way, richest owner in baseball
is Steve Cohen. How the Mets do They've missed the
(35:54):
playoffs three times. By the way, the Washington Nationals owner
third or fourth richest, they were the third worst team
in baseball. Major League Baseball is on fire. The TV ratings,
the attendance, the vibe. And there's two reasons it's on fire.
Number one, they've done a really smart job to speed
the game up. Rob Manfred deserves a lot of credit,
(36:16):
and it also helps that the big brands are on fire.
But you know what else made the playoffs really great?
The underdog stories. The well run Cleveland Guardians, the well
run Seattle Mariners. They're really well run Milwaukee Brewers. So
you had a lot of David and Goliath. Now Goliath
may win those in the end, but it made for
fascinating storytelling. So again, Steve Cohen Ilich family in Detroit,
(36:40):
I think second richest the Nationals owners, So I don't
think those guys should have to give money to the
Pittsburgh Pirates billionaire. The Pirates are bad, not because of
Major League Baseball or because of revenue sharing. The Pirates
owners cheap cause small market Seattle, the mall market Milwaukee
(37:01):
is doing just fine. Milwaukee is really well run. Does
Milwaukee have that much more money than Pittsburgh? Aren't they
kind of the same size as a market. So I
think baseball's on fire because of Rob Manfred's changes, because
the big markets are crushing, and because it's not as
lobsided as you want to believe it is. There's a
(37:23):
lot of small market stories doing really well. At one point,
I don't know what it ended up being in the
regular season. Didn't the Brewers sweep the Dodgers six to
oz in the regular season? Now by the time the
postseason came around and the Dodgers solved their bullpen, it
was a different story. But I mean, to me, the
sport's in an incredible spot, an absolutely incredible spot. We
(37:47):
do have ourselves a dynasty going on because the Dodgers
have done one thing that is available to other owners,
but they haven't done it. They have deferred payments, and
so by getting Yoshi and Otani, these are unbelievable, transcendent players.
I mean, Yoshi was unbelievable, and the Dodgers out bit everybody,
(38:10):
and no question. But I've said this before about the Dodgers,
is they have so many guys Max Munsey, the A's
got rid of him. I mean, you look at Tommy Edmond.
It was a two to sixty hitter, a good defensive
player for the Cardinals. They moved off him. The Dodgers
are not just about Otani. Otani mostly could not hit
in the postseason. Mookie Bett struggled hit it. A lot
(38:34):
of their stars struggled. It was a lot of other
guys in the bullpen starting finally getting healthy. So I
think baseball is in an incredible place. If you're gonna
put anything in force teams at the bottom to have
to spend their billionaire owner to have to spend. Because
I do think the bottom of baseball right now. I
(38:56):
mean the A's feel like a Triple A team, and
I think that bad for the sport. But the NFL's
got nine to ten unwatchable teams, NBA alas does so
the bottom of these leagues has never been great. All Right,
Greg Cosel is showing up. I did I want to
throw this out there. I mean maybe you noticed, but
(39:19):
I predicted when the nil happened in college football, I said,
the SEC will still be very good, but it won't
be as dominant. There's a lot more money at Notre
Dame phil Knight in Oregon, USC California's economy, Michigan, Michigan
and Notre Dame have top ten endowments in the country.
The other eight are mostly Ivy League schools. And did
(39:41):
you notice now that you can pay players, did you
notice who had the best recruiting class USC at A
Los Angeles number two, Oregon, Phil Knight, Notre Dame depending
on the service, number three? First time in eighteen years,
wasn't an SEC team. Now George's got money. But you know,
(40:02):
we were joking around this morning in SEC, and this
is this is true in the SEC Alabama territory. Your
number two or three booster can be a car dealer.
In the Big tenets a car maker, and that's there
is a difference. And that doesn't mean Georgia can't be
really good. But when the NIL got created and college
(40:23):
football went from purely college football to about thirty thirty
five percent NFL free agency scheduling was going to be
more even. Pay all your players that can transfer it
any time. And so you know, when I watched, did
you notice who signed a five star quarterback in the
South Vandy? Why would that be why what probably to
(40:49):
pay him?
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Right?
Speaker 1 (40:51):
The New York Times in twenty seventeen did a study
on economic outcomes. Economic outcomes, how much people that go
to all the SEC schools make. Vandy over two hundred
thousand dollars the median family income Banna closer to ninety
That's still pretty good, right. But in the end, NIL
(41:13):
didn't squish the little guy. Indiana is now a power.
Vanderbilt is outbidding everywhere. Vandy is the heady school in
the South two Lane by the way, another heady school.
They're pretty good. Everybody thought the NIL would squish the
little guy. It's hurt the big guy. It is seems
(41:36):
to me if Bandy's rolling, that wasn't happening ten years ago.
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