Colin Cowherd breaks down a pivotal Thursday Night Football match up as the Detroit Lions bounce back with a massive win over the Dallas Cowboys to stay alive in the NFC playoff race
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Here we go, capping off the week with.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
A Friday before a huge college football weekend, the Weirdest
Blazing five and the history of Blazing fives in one
hour from now, Detroit Deliver. I mean, it was a
wild shootout, thirty seven thirty with two minutes thirty seconds left,
the trash meet by the Detroit line, So let's talk
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about that. I like Dallas last night, but it was
pretty clear by the middle of the second quarter that
Detroit found on their rhythm. This felt like the Ben
Johnson offensive coordinator for the Lions. Lion seven point two
yards of play. They have crazy offensive talent. They have
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two running backs I like, two wide receivers that are stars.
They always get an offensive line push and it's a
well constructed roster. David Montgomery, the bruiser, Jamiir Gibbs, the
home run hitter, Amoran Saint Brown, the volume receiver, receiver
Jamison Williams, acceleration guy, speed guy. They can be physical
or fanas. They can score slowly and eat up the clock,
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or they can score quickly. They had a three play
drive fifty three yard touchdown that took up ninety seconds.
They had a ten play drive for a field goal
that took up six minutes. For about three years, they
were the most talked about offense. They looked like the
best constructed offense even before Jamiir Gibbs. It was Pro
bowlers and should be Pro bowlers. That's never been the issue.
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We didn't even really question Dan Campbell.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
We didn't.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
We always thought Dan was a great culture guy. Since
he's taken over the play calling, though he's a little
better scheme guy than we give him credit for. They're
averaging six point eight yards of play and last night
their last seven drives they had no punt, So I
would say we've never criticized their front office.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
We love it.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
We think Dan Campbell has established himself as a franchise
culture builder, kind of like a Vrabel, big guy physically
culture builder. We also like Jared goff. Don't listen to anybody.
He's really good. But we kind of this last night
looked like the team with Ben Johnson, and by the way,
we've seen glimpses of it this year. I went and
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looked up this morning. They've scored thirty eight against Baltimore.
They scored fifty two way back went against the Bears,
forty four against Washington, forty four last night against Dallas,
so we know it's there. But they also gave us
pause because they scored nine against Philly and seventeen against
the Chiefs. It's not about talent with Detroit, and we've
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seen this. The Niners defense is more depleted than last year,
but it's better because they got the right coordinator, Robert Sala.
And we've said when you lose Ben Johnson, an all
time offensive coordinator, even if you're replace him with a
solid guy, a pretty good guy, it doesn't look quite
as unique and quite as clever. So Dan Campbell stepped
in and said, listen, our defense still isn't great. We're
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going to mostly win by track meets. And since Dan
Campbell's taking it over, you're getting you're seeing this, but
remember this is a team that also lost to JJ McCarthy,
but I thought it was a beautiful thing to watch.
By about the mid second quarter, and you were looking
at the Ben Johnson Lions. So ideally a coach does
not want to take over play calling duties offensively or
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defensively from a coordinator. But I also feel like it's
time right now. Last night was a must win for them.
They've signed a lot of their guys to big contracts
in Detroit, a lot of them, and a couple of
them have injuries. As players get old, they get banged up,
and so these windows. We all know this, windows close
very quickly in the NFL. So I'm watching it last
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night by the mid second quarter and I'm like, oh, okay,
these Lions. I've seen these Lions for about two three years.
With Ben Johnson it felt like every Sunday. This year,
it's like every third Sunday, and it was last night
on Thursday. It was a beautiful thing to watch. The
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roster construction's outstanding. You look at their schedule now at
LA Steelers, at Minnesota, at Bears, they're an eight and
five team. They're going to control most of their destiny.
Here is Dan Campbell after.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
These guys do a great job of they take it
for what it is. Man. They don't don't get panicked.
They don't get panicked, they don't make something out of
it that it's not. I think by doing that and
keeping it that way, our guys are able to always
answer back. Know they do. I think where you get
in trouble is if you start just that, you start panicking,
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and you start you know, I mentioned this last week.
You got to start doing more than you need to do,
just do your job.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
The more often we get that Detroit and that offense
and that explosion and speed, that that feels like a
playoff team because their ceiling is very high. Okay, let's
talk Cowboys. They lost a shootout. Two things are obvious
and two things jumped out to us. One we kind
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of knew is the truth. One we were hoping would
never be the truth. Again, let's start with the first.
We told you we like Dallas's O line, but there
are a much better run blocking O line than a
pass blocking O line. And last night they got exposed.
Tyler Geton. Their left tackle was out. Yeah that was
bad because the right tackle is not good. So Dak
Prescott was getting whacked. He got hit, sacked, knocked down
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eleven times. Do you realize this year Dak press got
is the third most pressured quarterback in the league. First
as Herbert, seconds cam Ward, Third is Dak. So Aiden
Hutchison had ten pressures, seven in the fourth quarter. So
when Dallas absolutely had to throw when time was running out,
it got ugly. So Dallas has two first round picks.
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It's a good offensive tackle draft, it's a good edge
rusher draft.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
They need both.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
That's they can solve one massive concern and getting an
edge just gives their pass rush even more push. But
last night it was very obvious Jared Goff was the
much more comfortable quarterback. This is not on Dak. I've
defended Justin Herbert all year. I've defended cam Ward, I'll
defend Dak. When you're facing that kind of pass rush,
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you have to speed it up. You make more mistakes.
I don't care if you're a typist, a pianist, or
a quarterback. When you're playing faster than you're supposed to,
it gets ugly.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
So Dak.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
In Deck's six wins, he's been sacked six times seven times.
In Dak's six losses, even sacked fourteen times. So there's
the answer to the test. The second thing, and I
didn't think this was going to be a thing again.
George Pickens became the Steelers. George Pickens, uninterested, uninspired, immature,
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He still had five catches. But every Cowboy fan you saw,
we saw, we all saw. Now Ceedee Lamb is so
great and they've got enough other receivers like Turpin, you
know where you don't have to keep George Pickens. But
George Pickens has been so good this year. When Dak
in the first eleven games was throwing the Pickens, he
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had one hundred and thirty five passer rating. In the
last two games Dak thrown at George Pickens has a
twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Passer rating and that's not on Dak.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
So remember, Dallas moved off Des Bryant, Dallas moved off
Michael Parsons, Jerry Jones. If you are committed, you're an adult,
and you're productive, Jerry, he'll overpay you. But if you're not,
Remember Jerry got tired of Zeke. He moved off. Dez
Micah had his world famous podcast, Jerry wantsh You committed?
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Jerry wantsh you grinding? Okay, Jerry has been all in
on Dak. Dax's mature Dax committed Dak Smiths games. Dak's
been hurt, but he knows Dak is one hundred percent
about the team. George Pickens, this is what we all feared.
Pickens pouts on Prime is not the headline anybody wanted
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this morning. And Richard Sherman, good for him, called it
out after.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
The big story.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Here's George Pickens.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
George Pickens throughout the game, especially late in the game,
just looked uninterested, uninterested in playing football, you know. And
that's what you can't have if you're going to be
a superstar, if you want to be the best receiver
in the National Football League, you can ever be disengaged.
You can't just disappear in these games or else you're
not gonna have impact.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
You're the guy. You're the guy.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Ceede Lamb's not in this game, he's out. It's unacceptable.
And if you're the Dallas Cowboys and you're looking at
him and you're looking to pay him big time receiver
money forty million dollars, you got to look at this
state and say, hey, is this a guy we can trust?
Paying forty million dollars to show up, regardless of circumstance.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Good for Richard Sherman, regardless of circumstance, regardless of circumstance,
George Pickens when the going's good, but now and I'm
just gonna guess here. His agents called Jerry looking for
a big contract, and they've said, let's wait till the
seasons over. Agent tells Pickens Pickings starts pouting. Remember those
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words from Richard Sherman, regardless of circumstance. Because regardless of circumstance,
Dak Prescott always delivers, winning, losing hurt. Dak is a
leader on the worst of Sundays and the best of Thursdays. Okay,
just because the workplace environment is an ideal Well, don't
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do a Dez because Jerry moved off Dez and it
distracted in his mind and a replaceable Micah.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
He got tired of Zeke.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
So I, Richard Sherman, circumstance superstars, circumstance superstars, They're not
going to get the bag in Dallas. And I know
everybody's gonna go. He's been so great last couple of games.
You're getting the Pittsburgh guy. Hey, Dez Bryant to the
end in Dallas got into the end zone a lot.
I talked to Jason Garrett off the air once about that.
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He's like, I love Dez. He got into the end zone.
It's hard to get in the end zone. So that's
not a good look. And again Dak was getting hammered,
picking starts pouting.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
That is not on Dak last night.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
And I'll say this about the Dallas defense, it's better,
but I've seen Detroit do that this year to all
sorts of teams, including the Ravens, who have a very
good defense. It was banged up, but I I it's
just one of those nights where standalone games kind of
feels like you quit late in the game when Ceedee
Lamb left And that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
CD was out, get taken off the field.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Now it's your time to shine, and it looked like
you just quit on a football.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
You don't get the bag. You get the boot in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
If you're a circumstances superstar, boot over the bag. So Jmack,
we have a blazing five today. It's reminiscent of one
of yours. Because I'm doing something that I am not
prone to do, which is bet games I don't want
to watch. It's a lot of bad teams, including one
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year close to that.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I really really like this weekend. And did I talk
you into the Falcons yesterday.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I'm not even going to get into it. I'm going
to tease it for the audience. But as I was
making my picks, the staff was like, did you steal
Jmax picks? Because these are the games once you start
going to AFC South NFC South games. You know I'm
not on a heater. I'm looking for w go.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
Well, yeah, listen, you got to bounce back. By the way,
I did wear black. For the people who aren't watching
on TV, this is a funeral day for the Cowboys season.
It's over the picking stuff. You nailed it absolutely, you know.
I'm sure Jerry said, hey, well, franchise tag him.
Speaker 7 (12:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
Yeah, and Pickens don't want to hear that. You know,
you know how this goes. I'm just telling you that
was a massive swing game, not only for this year
for the Cowboys Colin, but I think for next year
because they probably looked at that defensive front.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Hey we got three defensive tackles. They couldn't stop the run.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
What are we doing?
Speaker 6 (12:34):
I think they got a lot of changes coming to
Dallas next time.
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Speaker 1 (13:20):
Lakers beat Toronto in Toronto last night.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
It was how they did it.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Lebron James by a mile had the longest streak of
games scoring in double figures. Second was Michael Jordan, third
was Kareem but Lebron's at one two hundred and ninety
seven consecutive games going into last night. And one of
the things I've always defended about Lebron James, and I
mean from his second third year into the league until today,
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he always makes the right basketball play. For years, he
was bizarrely ripped by Kobe and Michael Jordan fanboys for
not being aggressive enough, not being more selfish taking he
needs to take the bad shot.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
He's the man force it ugh.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Lebron's always been more magic than Michael anyway, That's his
game and everybody plays better with Lebron. He's the brilliant
basketball quarterback. He's a marvelous passer, very clever. He's fourth
all time and assists. So last night broke that nineteen
year stretch because coming down the stretch he found Ruey
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in the corner and Ruey hits the three. But Lebron
has always been more than just basketball. Is a get
a bucket. Carmelo Anthony was that. Carmelo Anthony, in his career,
played in only three playoff series. Lebron's played in forty one.
They came out same draft. One is the Swiss Army Knife,
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the tent and the canteen. That's Lebron James, who I
have said both ends of the floor, is the the
greatest all around player I've ever seen play. Michael's the
most aggressive score and some would argue the greatest player,
but this was classic Lebron James and the other thing
about Lebron My favorite. Lebron's stat, ever, is not an
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NBA stat, and we know he didn't go to college
to play basketball. It's a high school stat. Lebron averaged
twenty eight a game. Twenty eight points a game is
a junior in high school. He must average sixty a
senior year. Right, No, Lebron averaged one point more as
a senior, from twenty eight a game as a junior
to twenty nine as a senior. Why because Lebron's always
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been about the team and leadership and making the right
play and involving everybody. I'm not saying he's always the
easiest to coach. He and Spolstra had battles. I'm not
saying that, But all stars are difficult. Magic Johnson got
rid of a coach too, right. Lu Al sinder Kareem
one of the all time great not easy to coach,
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could be a stoic and moody, but Lebron in high
school established who he was from twenty eight to twenty
nine a game. You don't think Lebron could average seventy
the next year in the NBA if he wanted to
he could have averaged thirty points. He's always been around
about the right basketball play and I've never been into
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the get a bucket. Guys like Lebron's smarter than that.
He's beyond that. Everybody that plays with Lebron tends to
have the best years of their career. And what's interesting
about Lebron this year is the Lakers when he plays,
it's not his scoring. They get more threes and hit
more threes. Lebron in his last year ultimate compliment is
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realizing he's not going to be a consistent big time
score That's Luca's role and off in Austin Reeves role.
Lebron has been really about playmaking, about giving other guys
great shots.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
And if you look at.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
The numbers, the Lakers are shooting a much better three
point percentage with Lebron on the floor in games Lebron
has played. And here he was last night snapping his
own all time record for consecutive double digit scoring games.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Now that the streak has ended, for you, what feelings
did you have?
Speaker 8 (17:20):
Any what fales you did?
Speaker 9 (17:22):
None?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
We won?
Speaker 1 (17:28):
And he's been about that from day one. I'm not
saying he didn't like being the all time leading score.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Of course I get it, we'd all.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Do that, but that was classic Lebron that if you
do ten pieces of video, the ten pieces of video
to describe Lebron James' career, most will be in his prime.
That should be on That's on the real that should
be on the tape. That he broke his own streak
to win a game in maybe his final years a pro.
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Maybe maybe not, but I think that defines him. When
I think of Lebron, I don't think you know he's
the all time leading score. I think of him as
the great Swiss Army knife plus the tent, plus the canteen.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
J Mack with the news, No, no turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
All right, we'll start with one of your favorites, Colin
bo Nicks and the Denver Broncos ten and two record
this season, eight and two and one score games. Enjoy
a while, alasts here's bo Nicks talking about handling the
team's success.
Speaker 10 (18:36):
The worst thing you can do is let other people
tear down a ten and two record, whether it's saying
you don't play anybody, or you know you're just relying
on the defense, or whatever. Negative somebody's gonna put on
a positive It's always going to happen, and we don't
really worry about it.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Winner I see a winner.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
It's not negative or tearing down. It's providing context.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
You know.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
That's what smart people, smart shows do. They provide context
to the Broncos gaudy ten and two record. I mean again,
imagine if we didn't tell the audience last year head
the Chiefs. I know, they were fifteen and two and
they went like eleven or zero when one score games,
but they the numbers don't say they were great, and
then this year they stink. So we're trying to help
you guys out.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Bo.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
I'm not coming after the Broncos, right, just providing context.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Right, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
And also last year when the Chiefs went eleven to zero,
it was disturbing because Mahomes was a veteran.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Bo Nicks is still young.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
You give him a little bit of a pass, but
I don't think there's any question and I like him.
I'm you know, I'm a devoted Sean Payton, yes, believer, yes,
and I love bo Nicks.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
But he's been really, really uneven. It's a lot.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
I said this yesterday and I think this is fair.
He and Calber talented and they're very good late, but
you don't quite know in the first three quarters what
you're getting, whereas Drake May, I feel like first snap on,
I get the same guy. So I think the criticism
for bo Nicks, I think he's gotten better over the
last couple of weeks. But I think all the credits
are totally, absolutely, inarguably fair. And I think Sean Payton
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and he have probably have conversations and they're acknowledging he's
uneven right now.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
He's inconsistent.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
I mean, the reality is Colin he's a second year quarterback.
If I told you when they drafted bo Nicks in
year two they'll be ten and two through twelve games
and the number one seed, you would take that in
a heartbet and a heartbeat and'll enjoy it. It's great.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Live in the moment, Jack Jerseys.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I will say, if they go to the playoffs and
I'm just throwing a team out and they played Houston
with that pass rush, and you said there's going to
be an upset in round one, right, you'd be like, oh,
I don't feel good about this because what's going to
happen in the AFC, is Denver could end up facing
one of these teams that have the ability to be scary,
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Like I the team that I would not want to
play in the AFC. I've said I wouldn't want to
play the Seahawks in the NFC because they're gonna get
you know, they're not favored like the Rams or the Packers.
Seattle's gonna come in. They played great East Coast, West
Coast Houston, I mean Kansas City this weekend, aline injuries
facing Houston. I mean if Kansas City scored ten points,
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would you be shocked. So I think Denver is one
of those teams because they're uneven that a lot of
people will pick them to lose in the first round.
As a big dog, that's a big favorite. But but
they they have you can see.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Them struggling in the postseason.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
Let's move on now this I love, Colin. You've been
blasting Penn State all week. Well how about this report
that emerged yesterday. Oh my goodness, Penn State is talking
to Matt Campbell, the fantastic coach from Iowa, Steve Yeah,
and it looks like he's.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Now the clubhouse leader for the job.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
Colin, I cannot believe this would be a massive home
run for Penn State.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Campus is awesome.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I when I saw that story this morning, I'm like, Oh,
this guy should.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Have been in the running six weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Like he's a great, great still very very young coach,
good recruiter, and he's been you know, he's been viable
in a program that's the second best program in Iowa.
So I think he'd be a great, great selection.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
By the way, the Jets interviewed him years ago. The
Lions interviewed him years like, the NFL sees this guy.
The Patriots tried to hire him when he was a
young coach. So there is a lot to like about Campbell.
He's a Midwest guy, right, went to high school in Ohio.
He's still in his forties, he's young.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I think this will be.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
A slam dunk. Penn State needs to close this. By
the way, I look this up. Last five seasons, Iowa
State has two top twenty finishes.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
That's great.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
The forty years before that they had one top twenty
five finish. Campbell has taken this program and done awesome things.
Rock perty in the NFL. By the way, Penn State
needs to lock this down asad, this will be a.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Huge, huge, hog, huge kit.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Final story, Colin, we got to go to the Eagles.
They play Monday night against the Chajas. Interesting line movement here,
look at that.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
No longer three.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
Obviously Eagles have some injury issues, but a lot of
this problems surrounding the team have to do with aj
Brown and Saquon. But what about Jalen Hurts not running
the ball like he used to? Through twelve games this season,
Hurts has carried the ball eighty four times for three
hundred twenty nine yards and eight touchdowns. You know it's
pretty good, but these are his lowest rushing totals since
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he became the permanent starter with the Eagles. So we said,
Hurts isn't running the ball, well, Saquon's not running the
ball well. Is this an offensive line issue?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Is this an oc issue? Take it away?
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, I think it's a bow line injury. I think
it's a reality with Jalen Hurts. When you're not getting
a running game and have to throw on third and seven,
Jalen hurts throwing on third and one or going for
a toush push on third and two. But Jalen Hurts
when everybody in the ballpark knows. Because you have no
run game, you have to throw is not that's that's
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not his strength. Josh Allen's fine, can do that. Joe
Burrow can do that. That's it's not Jalen Hurt. Jalen
Hurts is very good throwing when you're not sure he's throwing.
And that Jmack describes half the quarterbacks in this league
that we like.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Baker's better than Sam.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Darnold's better when he can throw on third and two,
not third and eight. So I think it's a reality.
Is the run game is essential to Jalen Hurt's success,
and I it's sputtered.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
Yeah, now there's some cutups going around on social media
of Jalen Hurt simply not making the right read to
players who were open. Now, last night we saw weirdness
right with Dak Prescott. He seemed to be holding the
ball in the pocket longer than normal, and it.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Was like, is he confused? I don't.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
Maybe Jalen Hurts is confused not seeing the feel well. Again,
they went to the Super Bowl last year, so they
got the targets on their backs. Maybe defenses are trying
some exotic stuff and Hurts is not processing. I don't know,
but I had liked the Eagles in the NFC column.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I don't think they're the best team in the NFL. No,
they're not.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Right now, Green Bay in LA both feel superior, no question.
Jmack with a news.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping that the
herd line news.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
So I saw this story this morning, and it's just
kind of instructive. Google's number one trending athlete last year
was it show Hey o Tani? Was it Josh Allen. No,
Google's number one trending athlete was Shader Sanders, proving that
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trending is the dumbest trend of my life. Sometimes Patrick
Mahomes trends, you know, when he's winning Super Bowls or
his brother Jackson is being you know, a little goofy.
For the record, the LA Dodgers were not a top
ten trending Major League Baseball team. Trending and attention is
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not quality. This morning, George Pickens is trending, not for
a great catch he made last night. So Shadour Sanders
is interesting and I'm in the interesting business. He will
never be great because he doesn't have any great traits.
His arm is not great. His athletic ability is not great.
His athleticism, you know, it's not great. In the summer
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when we're dying for topics, there were days and weeks
he was the most interesting. And I'll be honest, let's
be totally upfront about this. I'm in the media. We
don't report on safe landings. We report on airplanes. The crash.
That's what we report on. All trending means is stop
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and look. That's what trending is, and it's the auto
accident of sports. And I do think shoulder can be interesting.
But the fact that he's the number one trending athlete,
and this is instructive, is why he dropped to the
fifth round. He just started starting, and he trends more
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than Otani. Otani had a scandal at the beginning of
this year. Look at all the great athletes. This is
exactly and precisely why he dropped to the fifth round.
Nobody wanted this auto accident on the I five, stopping preening, looking,
slowing down.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Gms don't want that.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I've always said, if you're going to be a backup
quarterback in the NFL, what gms want is a guy
that can put a baseball hat on in a mall,
walk through it and nobody notices him.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
That's what you want. That's why I said.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Belichick got rid of Cam Newton the minute he was
going to start Mac jones t bow as a starter.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I didn't buy it.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
It doesn't work as a backup. Chadour is a backup.
It's just too much noise. So I mean, I want
my quarterback to have followers fifty two in a locker
room or another ten in a huddle.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
I don't care about your ig or your ex account.
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
And so at this stage, Shoulder is more of an
interesting trend than he is a franchise quarterback. And he
seems like a nice kid. But you know, going viral
used to mean you witnessed two rainbows in the sky,
like now it means you know, you hooked up with
a coworker a Coldplay concert, Like That's not what I'm
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looking for. And by the way, Sophie Cunningham should trend too,
She's amazing, and people trend for different reasons. Beauty, funny,
pile up on the freeway. So but when he dropped
in the fifth round and I contacted people in the league.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
This was kind of it.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
They don't want quarterbacks trending unless it's like winning playoff games,
and that's just the reality of the position. Again, George
Pickens is trending this morning, and it's not because they
made a great one headed catch.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
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weekdays and noone Easter, not a em Pacific Colin.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
We got the Super six? Which quarterback will have the
most passing yards this week? Josh Allen versus the Bengals,
Jordan Love versus the AARs, Caleb versus the Packers, or
Joe Burrow who just got t Higgins back versus the Bills.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Joe Burrow against the Bills.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
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Speaker 1 (29:32):
All right, This weekend, for the first time in a
long time, the Bears are going to face the Packers,
and I like both the offenses. This is the most
one sided great rivalry in sports.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Think about this.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
The last twenty times Duke and Carolina have met in basketball,
it's ten ten. The last ten times the Buck guys
and the Wolverines have met in football, it's six to
four Ohio State. The last ten times Tech Oklahoma play
in football, It's six to four Sooners. The last thirty
times the Bears and Packers have played, It's twenty six
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to four green Bay. If this was a fight, they
had called it like two decades ago. Why my belief
isn't just that Green Bay drafts good quarterbacks. The reason
they do draft good quarterbacks, and they draft ahead. Green
Bay gets out of dysfunction very quickly. And everybody in
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the NFL has dysfunction and injuries. Everybody green Bay, McCarthy
and Aaron Rodgers started getting prickly moved off it. Farvs
started getting prickly moved off it.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Even this year.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Green Bay's offense got it was broken a month ago
and they fixed it. So they stay ahead of dysfunction,
and Chicago doesn't. And so much of life and so
much of sports is not turning a bad day into
a bad week, is not turning one bad loss into
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a four game losing streak. I saw a story this
week where Matt Stafford came out and he said, I'm
really good at getting over bad games. And I was
thinking about Tom Brady when he went to Tampa, he
had back to back games before the bye where his
passer rating was in the seventies and they were lost
as a franchise. And then they had a bye and
Tom Brady I think, went eight to zero and won
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of Super Bowl. From that point forward, don't let a
bad day become a bad week or month as a
human being.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
And so in.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Fact, in golf they call it bounce back. What do
you do after a bogee? On the tour the best
guy is Scotty Scheffler. Scotty Scheffler thirty six percent of
the time after a bogie, next hole has a birdie.
You gotta forget losses, bad series, bad plays, bad days
at work, Get over it.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Just move on. You gotta be resilient.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
The Bears until this season, we're still clinging in nineteen
eighty five. We're tough, we're physical, We're about defense. I
like defense too, and I love physicality. But Ben Johnson said, yeah,
we can be physical. It's called a run game. And
that's what the Bears. That's where they figured it out.
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Chicago loves physicality. Pittsburgh, Chicago, they love defense, they love
violent football.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Chicago is in their run game. It's a great run game.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
So the Bears, now that we're looking in the rear
view mirror since eighty five, you know, feel very progressive.
They've got a McVeigh feel. Everybody thinks McVeigh loves to throw.
McVeigh loves to run, Kyle Shannon loves to run, Matt
Lafleuur loves to run. We've discovered Ben Johnson loves to run.
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The football. Physicality is not just on defense. And so
I mean, if you look at the Bears offensive improvement
from last year to this year, they're average eight more
a game, almost one hundred yards more. The sacks are
down by two and a half a game, and they're
running for over fifty two more yards a game. That's
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the biggest improvement in the NFL. So I feel like
the Bears have just discovered Venmo this year. They'd been
paying people off in brown paper sacks since nineteen eighty five,
and they're like they figured it out.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Now.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
What makes it tough for the Bears is Green Bays
at home. And when Ben Johnson got hired, he probably
regrets it now, but he kind of fired a shot
at Matt LeFleur and the Bears rival.
Speaker 8 (33:43):
Remember this, I've got tremendous amount of respect for the
coaches and the players in this league. Haven't competed against
them for the last six years. And to be quite
frank with you, I kind of enjoyed beating Matt Lafour
twice a year.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Okay, I wouldn't have said that, but you know what happens.
It's an opening press conference.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Dan Campbell had a bad opening press conference, so at
Nick SIONI it's okay, but it's I feel like the
Bears have transitioned from Taxis to Uber, from paying people
off in brown paper sacks to Venmo and it's it's cool.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
It took him a while, but it's cool.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Dave want Staff, former Bear coach, going to be joining
us top of the hour along with the Blazing five picks.
So last night, Detroit beats Dallas, and because of that,
Detroit has a much greater shot to go to the playoffs,
and the Cowboys are kind of toast. The AFC equivalent
to that. The other conference is the Texans facing the Chiefs.
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If the Texans win and beat him this weekend, and
I think it's a last second field goal game. I
don't get three and a half as a line at all,
Houston eighty five percent chance of making the playoffs. If
the Chiefs lose this weekend and go six and seven
like Dallas last night, they're in big trouble.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
They're done.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
But I can I just say this, and I'm not
saying this because Tom Brady works for Fox. I've always
believed this, But let's just say Kansas City loses and
Mahomes doesn't make the playoffs. When you look at the
Brady Mahomes and I don't know if it's a rivalry,
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but I mean until Tom went to Tampa, everybody was
saying there were a lot of people saying.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Well, you know, it's just it's Belichick maybe.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
System quarterback, and he went to Tampa won a super Bowl.
You're like, yeah, that's nonsense. In Belichick's Patriots circle the dream.
But never forget in the whole Brady Mahomes rivalry. And
they're both all time greats and I love both. Brady
never got thoroughly blown out in the Super Bowl. Mahomes
is already at two in counting. Brady beat Mahomes twice,
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once with Tampa and the Super Bowl blowout, and then
once in the AFC Championship at Arrowhead. That's in the
books forever, can't be argued. And number three, Brady in
his peak, never missed the playoffs. You can give me
twenty excuses. Two of those you can't turn around the
Super Bowl blowouts. Brady didn't have them, and Brady beat
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him twice Super Bowl and AFC Championship. This would be
the third thing you can't argue about because Tom and
his prime did miss the playoffs. Now again I'm celebrating both.
It's like Jordan and Lebron, two best basketball players along
with Magic I ever saw in Priy kaream. But and
this is with Andy Reid and with Travis Kelce. I
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do think some of the problems and this will well
run organization in Kansas City are out of Patrick's control.
They're not right now dependable at offensive tackle and the
two times they got whacked in the Super Bowl, they
weren't very good in the old line, specifically tackle, so
and they also haven't run the ball particularly well. Listen,
they had to move off Joe Tooney. Joe Tooney is
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the best guard arguably in the sport. Their tackle situation
is not good, so it's really hard to win a
Super Bowl, even to get to one. When you're online,
you don't trust them. Here's Mahomes on the must win
game against the gnarly defense in Houston this weekend.
Speaker 9 (37:31):
I don't know if we've been in this situation this
early in the season, and so I think just learning
from it together, building together, and then using what we
can use from prior seasons to hopefully make a run
of this thing and try to get ourselves into the
playoff and see where we can go from there.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
So, if you look at the playoff picture today in
the AFC and the NFC. In the AFC, New England, Denver, Jacksonville,
Baltimore leading their wild card Chargers Colts Buffalo, I'd be
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very wary of the Colts right now in the hunt Houston, Pittsburgh,
and Kansas City. When you take those in the hunt
teams Houston, Pittsburgh, and Kansas City, what's the best unit
of all three teams, It's the Texans defense. My take
is the Texans are going to be probably find themselves
as a wildcard team. If you look at the NFC
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playoff picture right now, it is very much established. San
Francisco is the seventh seed, so Chicago's in rams, Philadelphia, Tampa,
Seattle's dangerous, Green Bay, San Francisco keep your eye in Detroit.
I think Carolina's defense will eventually be their issue. Dallas
played themselves out of it last night. I think Detroit's
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got more good players than San Francisco does in terms
of overall talent.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
I don't know if it's even that close.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Most of Detroit's best players offensively are just entering their
prime or in their prime. A lot of the great
players for the Niners are Old Kittle, Christian McCaffrey, Trent Williams,
Hall of famers, but Old so the Texans. Kansas City
is not as good as Green Bay Chicago in terms
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of game of the week, and it's hard to bet
against Kansas City in these spots. I think it's a
field goal game, a go either way game, but that's
where we are. My Blazing five picks are at the
top of next hour. I just took one out. It
has been reported that Jaden Daniels will play for Washington,
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and I had Minnesota at home in that game as
one of my Blazing five picks. I have removed that
because I am not betting against Jaden Daniels whoever the
quarterback is for the Minnesota Vikings. So I just took
that one out put the Chargers Eagles in. It's not
the season on the line for either team, but wow,
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Philadelphia loses on Monday Night, it'll be a sixty five
to thirty five Eagles crowd. They're Philadelphia fans, I've been
told all over Los Angeles. Blazing five Dave Wanstad around
the corner.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Here we go, capping off the week with.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
A Friday before a huge college football weekend, the Weirdest
Blazing five and the history of Blazing fives in one
hour from now, Detroit Deliver. I mean, it was a
wild shootout, thirty seven thirty with two minutes thirty seconds left,
the trash meet by the Detroit line, So let's talk
(00:52):
about that. I like Dallas last night, but it was
pretty clear by the middle of the second quarter that
Detroit found on their rhythm. This felt like the Ben
Johnson offensive coordinator for the Lions. Lion seven point two
yards of play. They have crazy offensive talent. They have
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two running backs I like, two wide receivers that are stars.
They always get an offensive line push and it's a
well constructed roster. David Montgomery, the bruiser, Jamiir Gibbs, the
home run hitter, Amoran Saint Brown, the volume receiver, receiver
Jamison Williams, acceleration guy, speed guy. They can be physical
or fanas. They can score slowly and eat up the clock,
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or they can score quickly. They had a three play
drive fifty three yard touchdown that took up ninety seconds.
They had a ten play drive for a field goal
that took up six minutes. For about three years, they
were the most talked about offense. They looked like the
best constructed offense even before Jamiir Gibbs. It was Pro
bowlers and should be Pro bowlers. That's never been the issue.
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We didn't even really question Dan Campbell.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
We didn't.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
We always thought Dan was a great culture guy. Since
he's taken over the play calling, though he's a little
better scheme guy than we give him credit for. They're
averaging six point eight yards of play and last night
their last seven drives they had no punt, So I
would say we've never criticized their front office.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
We love it.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
We think Dan Campbell has established himself as a franchise
culture builder, kind of like a Vrabel, big guy physically
culture builder. We also like Jared goff. Don't listen to anybody.
He's really good. But we kind of this last night
looked like the team with Ben Johnson, and by the way,
we've seen glimpses of it this year. I went and
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looked up this morning. They've scored thirty eight against Baltimore.
They scored fifty two way back went against the Bears,
forty four against Washington, forty four last night against Dallas,
so we know it's there. But they also gave us
pause because they scored nine against Philly and seventeen against
the Chiefs. It's not about talent with Detroit, and we've
(03:03):
seen this. The Niners defense is more depleted than last year,
but it's better because they got the right coordinator, Robert Sala.
And we've said when you lose Ben Johnson, an all
time offensive coordinator, even if you're replace him with a
solid guy, a pretty good guy, it doesn't look quite
as unique and quite as clever. So Dan Campbell stepped
in and said, listen, our defense still isn't great. We're
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going to mostly win by track meets. And since Dan
Campbell's taking it over, you're getting you're seeing this, but
remember this is a team that also lost to JJ McCarthy,
but I thought it was a beautiful thing to watch.
By about the mid second quarter, and you were looking
at the Ben Johnson Lions. So ideally a coach does
not want to take over play calling duties offensively or
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defensively from a coordinator. But I also feel like it's
time right now. Last night was a must win for them.
They've signed a lot of their guys to big contracts
in Detroit, a lot of them, and a couple of
them have injuries. As players get old, they get banged up,
and so these windows. We all know this, windows close
very quickly in the NFL. So I'm watching it last
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night by the mid second quarter and I'm like, oh, okay,
these Lions. I've seen these Lions for about two three years.
With Ben Johnson it felt like every Sunday. This year,
it's like every third Sunday, and it was last night
on Thursday. It was a beautiful thing to watch. The
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roster construction's outstanding. You look at their schedule now at
LA Steelers, at Minnesota, at Bears, they're an eight and
five team. They're going to control most of their destiny.
Here is Dan Campbell after.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
These guys do a great job of they take it
for what it is. Man. They don't don't get panicked.
They don't get panicked, they don't make something out of
it that it's not. I think by doing that and
keeping it that way, our guys are able to always
answer back. Know they do. I think where you get
in trouble is if you start just that, you start panicking,
(05:06):
and you start you know, I mentioned this last week.
You got to start doing more than you need to do,
just do your job.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
The more often we get that Detroit and that offense
and that explosion and speed, that that feels like a
playoff team because their ceiling is very high. Okay, let's
talk Cowboys. They lost a shootout. Two things are obvious
and two things jumped out to us. One we kind
(05:34):
of knew is the truth. One we were hoping would
never be the truth. Again, let's start with the first.
We told you we like Dallas's O line, but there
are a much better run blocking O line than a
pass blocking O line. And last night they got exposed.
Tyler Geton. Their left tackle was out. Yeah that was
bad because the right tackle is not good. So Dak
Prescott was getting whacked. He got hit, sacked, knocked down
(05:57):
eleven times. Do you realize this year Dak press got
is the third most pressured quarterback in the league. First
as Herbert, seconds cam Ward, Third is Dak. So Aiden
Hutchison had ten pressures, seven in the fourth quarter. So
when Dallas absolutely had to throw when time was running out,
it got ugly. So Dallas has two first round picks.
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It's a good offensive tackle draft, it's a good edge
rusher draft.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
They need both.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
That's they can solve one massive concern and getting an
edge just gives their pass rush even more push. But
last night it was very obvious Jared Goff was the
much more comfortable quarterback. This is not on Dak. I've
defended Justin Herbert all year. I've defended cam Ward, I'll
defend Dak. When you're facing that kind of pass rush,
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you have to speed it up. You make more mistakes.
I don't care if you're a typist, a pianist, or
a quarterback. When you're playing faster than you're supposed to,
it gets ugly.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
So Dak.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
In Deck's six wins, he's been sacked six times seven times.
In Dak's six losses, even sacked fourteen times. So there's
the answer to the test. The second thing, and I
didn't think this was going to be a thing again.
George Pickens became the Steelers. George Pickens, uninterested, uninspired, immature,
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He still had five catches. But every Cowboy fan you saw,
we saw, we all saw. Now Ceedee Lamb is so
great and they've got enough other receivers like Turpin, you
know where you don't have to keep George Pickens. But
George Pickens has been so good this year. When Dak
in the first eleven games was throwing the Pickens, he
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had one hundred and thirty five passer rating. In the
last two games Dak thrown at George Pickens has a
twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Passer rating and that's not on Dak.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
So remember, Dallas moved off Des Bryant, Dallas moved off
Michael Parsons, Jerry Jones. If you are committed, you're an adult,
and you're productive, Jerry, he'll overpay you. But if you're not,
Remember Jerry got tired of Zeke. He moved off. Dez
Micah had his world famous podcast, Jerry wantsh You committed?
(08:08):
Jerry wantsh you grinding? Okay, Jerry has been all in
on Dak. Dax's mature Dax committed Dak Smiths games. Dak's
been hurt, but he knows Dak is one hundred percent
about the team. George Pickens, this is what we all feared.
Pickens pouts on Prime is not the headline anybody wanted
(08:33):
this morning. And Richard Sherman, good for him, called it
out after.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
The big story.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Here's George Pickens.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
George Pickens throughout the game, especially late in the game,
just looked uninterested, uninterested in playing football, you know. And
that's what you can't have if you're going to be
a superstar, if you want to be the best receiver
in the National Football League, you can ever be disengaged.
You can't just disappear in these games or else you're
not gonna have impact.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
You're the guy. You're the guy.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Ceede Lamb's not in this game, he's out. It's unacceptable.
And if you're the Dallas Cowboys and you're looking at
him and you're looking to pay him big time receiver
money forty million dollars, you got to look at this
state and say, hey, is this a guy we can trust?
Paying forty million dollars to show up, regardless of circumstance.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Good for Richard Sherman, regardless of circumstance, regardless of circumstance,
George Pickens when the going's good, but now and I'm
just gonna guess here. His agents called Jerry looking for
a big contract, and they've said, let's wait till the
seasons over. Agent tells Pickens Pickings starts pouting. Remember those
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words from Richard Sherman, regardless of circumstance. Because regardless of circumstance,
Dak Prescott always delivers, winning, losing hurt. Dak is a
leader on the worst of Sundays and the best of Thursdays. Okay,
just because the workplace environment is an ideal Well, don't
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do a Dez because Jerry moved off Dez and it
distracted in his mind and a replaceable Micah.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
He got tired of Zeke.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
So I, Richard Sherman, circumstance superstars, circumstance superstars, They're not
going to get the bag in Dallas. And I know
everybody's gonna go. He's been so great last couple of games.
You're getting the Pittsburgh guy. Hey, Dez Bryant to the
end in Dallas got into the end zone a lot.
I talked to Jason Garrett off the air once about that.
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He's like, I love Dez. He got into the end zone.
It's hard to get in the end zone. So that's
not a good look. And again Dak was getting hammered,
picking starts pouting.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
That is not on Dak last night.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
And I'll say this about the Dallas defense, it's better,
but I've seen Detroit do that this year to all
sorts of teams, including the Ravens, who have a very
good defense. It was banged up, but I I it's
just one of those nights where standalone games kind of
feels like you quit late in the game when Ceedee
Lamb left And that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
CD was out, get taken off the field.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Now it's your time to shine, and it looked like
you just quit on a football.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
You don't get the bag. You get the boot in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
If you're a circumstances superstar, boot over the bag. So Jmack,
we have a blazing five today. It's reminiscent of one
of yours. Because I'm doing something that I am not
prone to do, which is bet games I don't want
to watch. It's a lot of bad teams, including one
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year close to that.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I really really like this weekend. And did I talk
you into the Falcons yesterday.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I'm not even going to get into it. I'm going
to tease it for the audience. But as I was
making my picks, the staff was like, did you steal
Jmax picks? Because these are the games once you start
going to AFC South NFC South games. You know I'm
not on a heater. I'm looking for w go.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
Well, yeah, listen, you got to bounce back. By the way,
I did wear black. For the people who aren't watching
on TV, this is a funeral day for the Cowboys season.
It's over the picking stuff. You nailed it absolutely, you know.
I'm sure Jerry said, hey, well, franchise tag him.
Speaker 7 (12:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
Yeah, and Pickens don't want to hear that. You know,
you know how this goes. I'm just telling you that
was a massive swing game, not only for this year
for the Cowboys Colin, but I think for next year
because they probably looked at that defensive front.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Hey we got three defensive tackles. They couldn't stop the run.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
What are we doing?
Speaker 6 (12:34):
I think they got a lot of changes coming to
Dallas next time.
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Speaker 1 (13:20):
Lakers beat Toronto in Toronto last night.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
It was how they did it.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Lebron James by a mile had the longest streak of
games scoring in double figures. Second was Michael Jordan, third
was Kareem but Lebron's at one two hundred and ninety
seven consecutive games going into last night. And one of
the things I've always defended about Lebron James, and I
mean from his second third year into the league until today,
(13:47):
he always makes the right basketball play. For years, he
was bizarrely ripped by Kobe and Michael Jordan fanboys for
not being aggressive enough, not being more selfish taking he
needs to take the bad shot.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
He's the man force it ugh.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Lebron's always been more magic than Michael anyway, That's his
game and everybody plays better with Lebron. He's the brilliant
basketball quarterback. He's a marvelous passer, very clever. He's fourth
all time and assists. So last night broke that nineteen
year stretch because coming down the stretch he found Ruey
(14:30):
in the corner and Ruey hits the three. But Lebron
has always been more than just basketball. Is a get
a bucket. Carmelo Anthony was that. Carmelo Anthony, in his career,
played in only three playoff series. Lebron's played in forty one.
They came out same draft. One is the Swiss Army Knife,
(14:53):
the tent and the canteen. That's Lebron James, who I
have said both ends of the floor, is the the
greatest all around player I've ever seen play. Michael's the
most aggressive score and some would argue the greatest player,
but this was classic Lebron James and the other thing
about Lebron My favorite. Lebron's stat, ever, is not an
(15:16):
NBA stat, and we know he didn't go to college
to play basketball. It's a high school stat. Lebron averaged
twenty eight a game. Twenty eight points a game is
a junior in high school. He must average sixty a
senior year. Right, No, Lebron averaged one point more as
a senior, from twenty eight a game as a junior
to twenty nine as a senior. Why because Lebron's always
(15:40):
been about the team and leadership and making the right
play and involving everybody. I'm not saying he's always the
easiest to coach. He and Spolstra had battles. I'm not
saying that, But all stars are difficult. Magic Johnson got
rid of a coach too, right. Lu Al sinder Kareem
one of the all time great not easy to coach,
(16:02):
could be a stoic and moody, but Lebron in high
school established who he was from twenty eight to twenty
nine a game. You don't think Lebron could average seventy
the next year in the NBA if he wanted to
he could have averaged thirty points. He's always been around
about the right basketball play and I've never been into
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the get a bucket. Guys like Lebron's smarter than that.
He's beyond that. Everybody that plays with Lebron tends to
have the best years of their career. And what's interesting
about Lebron this year is the Lakers when he plays,
it's not his scoring. They get more threes and hit
more threes. Lebron in his last year ultimate compliment is
(16:47):
realizing he's not going to be a consistent big time
score That's Luca's role and off in Austin Reeves role.
Lebron has been really about playmaking, about giving other guys
great shots.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
And if you look at.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
The numbers, the Lakers are shooting a much better three
point percentage with Lebron on the floor in games Lebron
has played. And here he was last night snapping his
own all time record for consecutive double digit scoring games.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Now that the streak has ended, for you, what feelings
did you have?
Speaker 8 (17:20):
Any what fales you did?
Speaker 9 (17:22):
None?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
We won?
Speaker 1 (17:28):
And he's been about that from day one. I'm not
saying he didn't like being the all time leading score.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Of course I get it, we'd all.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Do that, but that was classic Lebron that if you
do ten pieces of video, the ten pieces of video
to describe Lebron James' career, most will be in his prime.
That should be on That's on the real that should
be on the tape. That he broke his own streak
to win a game in maybe his final years a pro.
(18:00):
Maybe maybe not, but I think that defines him. When
I think of Lebron, I don't think you know he's
the all time leading score. I think of him as
the great Swiss Army knife plus the tent, plus the canteen.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
J Mack with the news, No, no turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
All right, we'll start with one of your favorites, Colin
bo Nicks and the Denver Broncos ten and two record
this season, eight and two and one score games. Enjoy
a while, alasts here's bo Nicks talking about handling the
team's success.
Speaker 10 (18:36):
The worst thing you can do is let other people
tear down a ten and two record, whether it's saying
you don't play anybody, or you know you're just relying
on the defense, or whatever. Negative somebody's gonna put on
a positive It's always going to happen, and we don't
really worry about it.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Winner I see a winner.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
It's not negative or tearing down. It's providing context.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
You know.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
That's what smart people, smart shows do. They provide context
to the Broncos gaudy ten and two record. I mean again,
imagine if we didn't tell the audience last year head
the Chiefs. I know, they were fifteen and two and
they went like eleven or zero when one score games,
but they the numbers don't say they were great, and
then this year they stink. So we're trying to help
you guys out.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Bo.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
I'm not coming after the Broncos, right, just providing context.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Right, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
And also last year when the Chiefs went eleven to zero,
it was disturbing because Mahomes was a veteran.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Bo Nicks is still young.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
You give him a little bit of a pass, but
I don't think there's any question and I like him.
I'm you know, I'm a devoted Sean Payton, yes, believer, yes,
and I love bo Nicks.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
But he's been really, really uneven. It's a lot.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
I said this yesterday and I think this is fair.
He and Calber talented and they're very good late, but
you don't quite know in the first three quarters what
you're getting, whereas Drake May, I feel like first snap on,
I get the same guy. So I think the criticism
for bo Nicks, I think he's gotten better over the
last couple of weeks. But I think all the credits
are totally, absolutely, inarguably fair. And I think Sean Payton
(20:04):
and he have probably have conversations and they're acknowledging he's
uneven right now.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
He's inconsistent.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
I mean, the reality is Colin he's a second year quarterback.
If I told you when they drafted bo Nicks in
year two they'll be ten and two through twelve games
and the number one seed, you would take that in
a heartbet and a heartbeat and'll enjoy it. It's great.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Live in the moment, Jack Jerseys.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I will say, if they go to the playoffs and
I'm just throwing a team out and they played Houston
with that pass rush, and you said there's going to
be an upset in round one, right, you'd be like, oh,
I don't feel good about this because what's going to
happen in the AFC, is Denver could end up facing
one of these teams that have the ability to be scary,
(20:48):
Like I the team that I would not want to
play in the AFC. I've said I wouldn't want to
play the Seahawks in the NFC because they're gonna get
you know, they're not favored like the Rams or the Packers.
Seattle's gonna come in. They played great East Coast, West
Coast Houston, I mean Kansas City this weekend, aline injuries
facing Houston. I mean if Kansas City scored ten points,
(21:10):
would you be shocked. So I think Denver is one
of those teams because they're uneven that a lot of
people will pick them to lose in the first round.
As a big dog, that's a big favorite. But but
they they have you can see.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Them struggling in the postseason.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
Let's move on now this I love, Colin. You've been
blasting Penn State all week. Well how about this report
that emerged yesterday. Oh my goodness, Penn State is talking
to Matt Campbell, the fantastic coach from Iowa, Steve Yeah,
and it looks like he's.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Now the clubhouse leader for the job.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
Colin, I cannot believe this would be a massive home
run for Penn State.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Campus is awesome.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I when I saw that story this morning, I'm like, Oh,
this guy should.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Have been in the running six weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Like he's a great, great still very very young coach,
good recruiter, and he's been you know, he's been viable
in a program that's the second best program in Iowa.
So I think he'd be a great, great selection.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
By the way, the Jets interviewed him years ago. The
Lions interviewed him years like, the NFL sees this guy.
The Patriots tried to hire him when he was a
young coach. So there is a lot to like about Campbell.
He's a Midwest guy, right, went to high school in Ohio.
He's still in his forties, he's young.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I think this will be.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
A slam dunk. Penn State needs to close this. By
the way, I look this up. Last five seasons, Iowa
State has two top twenty finishes.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
That's great.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
The forty years before that they had one top twenty
five finish. Campbell has taken this program and done awesome things.
Rock perty in the NFL. By the way, Penn State
needs to lock this down asad, this will be a.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Huge, huge, hog, huge kit.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Final story, Colin, we got to go to the Eagles.
They play Monday night against the Chajas. Interesting line movement here,
look at that.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
No longer three.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
Obviously Eagles have some injury issues, but a lot of
this problems surrounding the team have to do with aj
Brown and Saquon. But what about Jalen Hurts not running
the ball like he used to? Through twelve games this season,
Hurts has carried the ball eighty four times for three
hundred twenty nine yards and eight touchdowns. You know it's
pretty good, but these are his lowest rushing totals since
(23:19):
he became the permanent starter with the Eagles. So we said,
Hurts isn't running the ball, well, Saquon's not running the
ball well. Is this an offensive line issue?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Is this an oc issue? Take it away?
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, I think it's a bow line injury. I think
it's a reality with Jalen Hurts. When you're not getting
a running game and have to throw on third and seven,
Jalen hurts throwing on third and one or going for
a toush push on third and two. But Jalen Hurts
when everybody in the ballpark knows. Because you have no
run game, you have to throw is not that's that's
(23:54):
not his strength. Josh Allen's fine, can do that. Joe
Burrow can do that. That's it's not Jalen Hurt. Jalen
Hurts is very good throwing when you're not sure he's throwing.
And that Jmack describes half the quarterbacks in this league
that we like.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Baker's better than Sam.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Darnold's better when he can throw on third and two,
not third and eight. So I think it's a reality.
Is the run game is essential to Jalen Hurt's success,
and I it's sputtered.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
Yeah, now there's some cutups going around on social media
of Jalen Hurt simply not making the right read to
players who were open. Now, last night we saw weirdness
right with Dak Prescott. He seemed to be holding the
ball in the pocket longer than normal, and it.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Was like, is he confused? I don't.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
Maybe Jalen Hurts is confused not seeing the feel well. Again,
they went to the Super Bowl last year, so they
got the targets on their backs. Maybe defenses are trying
some exotic stuff and Hurts is not processing. I don't know,
but I had liked the Eagles in the NFC column.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I don't think they're the best team in the NFL. No,
they're not.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Right now, Green Bay in LA both feel superior, no question.
Jmack with a news.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping that the
herd line news.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
So I saw this story this morning, and it's just
kind of instructive. Google's number one trending athlete last year
was it show Hey o Tani? Was it Josh Allen. No,
Google's number one trending athlete was Shader Sanders, proving that
(25:26):
trending is the dumbest trend of my life. Sometimes Patrick
Mahomes trends, you know, when he's winning Super Bowls or
his brother Jackson is being you know, a little goofy.
For the record, the LA Dodgers were not a top
ten trending Major League Baseball team. Trending and attention is
(25:47):
not quality. This morning, George Pickens is trending, not for
a great catch he made last night. So Shadour Sanders
is interesting and I'm in the interesting business. He will
never be great because he doesn't have any great traits.
His arm is not great. His athletic ability is not great.
His athleticism, you know, it's not great. In the summer
(26:10):
when we're dying for topics, there were days and weeks
he was the most interesting. And I'll be honest, let's
be totally upfront about this. I'm in the media. We
don't report on safe landings. We report on airplanes. The crash.
That's what we report on. All trending means is stop
(26:34):
and look. That's what trending is, and it's the auto
accident of sports. And I do think shoulder can be interesting.
But the fact that he's the number one trending athlete,
and this is instructive, is why he dropped to the
fifth round. He just started starting, and he trends more
(26:58):
than Otani. Otani had a scandal at the beginning of
this year. Look at all the great athletes. This is
exactly and precisely why he dropped to the fifth round.
Nobody wanted this auto accident on the I five, stopping preening, looking,
slowing down.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Gms don't want that.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I've always said, if you're going to be a backup
quarterback in the NFL, what gms want is a guy
that can put a baseball hat on in a mall,
walk through it and nobody notices him.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
That's what you want. That's why I said.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Belichick got rid of Cam Newton the minute he was
going to start Mac jones t bow as a starter.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I didn't buy it.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
It doesn't work as a backup. Chadour is a backup.
It's just too much noise. So I mean, I want
my quarterback to have followers fifty two in a locker
room or another ten in a huddle.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
I don't care about your ig or your ex account.
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
And so at this stage, Shoulder is more of an
interesting trend than he is a franchise quarterback. And he
seems like a nice kid. But you know, going viral
used to mean you witnessed two rainbows in the sky,
like now it means you know, you hooked up with
a coworker a Coldplay concert, Like That's not what I'm
(28:27):
looking for. And by the way, Sophie Cunningham should trend too,
She's amazing, and people trend for different reasons. Beauty, funny,
pile up on the freeway. So but when he dropped
in the fifth round and I contacted people in the league.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
This was kind of it.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
They don't want quarterbacks trending unless it's like winning playoff games,
and that's just the reality of the position. Again, George
Pickens is trending this morning, and it's not because they
made a great one headed catch.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Right, be sure to catch live editions of the Herd
weekdays and noone Easter, not a em Pacific Colin.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
We got the Super six? Which quarterback will have the
most passing yards this week? Josh Allen versus the Bengals,
Jordan Love versus the AARs, Caleb versus the Packers, or
Joe Burrow who just got t Higgins back versus the Bills.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Joe Burrow against the Bills.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
Maybe all right, play the Fox Super Six NFL Challenge.
Download the app and enter for a free shot to
win your share of ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
All right, This weekend, for the first time in a
long time, the Bears are going to face the Packers,
and I like both the offenses. This is the most
one sided great rivalry in sports.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Think about this.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
The last twenty times Duke and Carolina have met in basketball,
it's ten ten. The last ten times the Buck guys
and the Wolverines have met in football, it's six to
four Ohio State. The last ten times Tech Oklahoma play
in football, It's six to four Sooners. The last thirty
times the Bears and Packers have played, It's twenty six
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to four green Bay. If this was a fight, they
had called it like two decades ago. Why my belief
isn't just that Green Bay drafts good quarterbacks. The reason
they do draft good quarterbacks, and they draft ahead. Green
Bay gets out of dysfunction very quickly. And everybody in
(30:29):
the NFL has dysfunction and injuries. Everybody green Bay, McCarthy
and Aaron Rodgers started getting prickly moved off it. Farvs
started getting prickly moved off it.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Even this year.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Green Bay's offense got it was broken a month ago
and they fixed it. So they stay ahead of dysfunction,
and Chicago doesn't. And so much of life and so
much of sports is not turning a bad day into
a bad week, is not turning one bad loss into
(31:02):
a four game losing streak. I saw a story this
week where Matt Stafford came out and he said, I'm
really good at getting over bad games. And I was
thinking about Tom Brady when he went to Tampa, he
had back to back games before the bye where his
passer rating was in the seventies and they were lost
as a franchise. And then they had a bye and
Tom Brady I think, went eight to zero and won
(31:22):
of Super Bowl. From that point forward, don't let a
bad day become a bad week or month as a
human being.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
And so in.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Fact, in golf they call it bounce back. What do
you do after a bogee? On the tour the best
guy is Scotty Scheffler. Scotty Scheffler thirty six percent of
the time after a bogie, next hole has a birdie.
You gotta forget losses, bad series, bad plays, bad days
at work, Get over it.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Just move on. You gotta be resilient.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
The Bears until this season, we're still clinging in nineteen
eighty five. We're tough, we're physical, We're about defense. I
like defense too, and I love physicality. But Ben Johnson said, yeah,
we can be physical. It's called a run game. And
that's what the Bears. That's where they figured it out.
(32:17):
Chicago loves physicality. Pittsburgh, Chicago, they love defense, they love
violent football.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Chicago is in their run game. It's a great run game.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
So the Bears, now that we're looking in the rear
view mirror since eighty five, you know, feel very progressive.
They've got a McVeigh feel. Everybody thinks McVeigh loves to throw.
McVeigh loves to run, Kyle Shannon loves to run, Matt
Lafleuur loves to run. We've discovered Ben Johnson loves to run.
(32:51):
The football. Physicality is not just on defense. And so
I mean, if you look at the Bears offensive improvement
from last year to this year, they're average eight more
a game, almost one hundred yards more. The sacks are
down by two and a half a game, and they're
running for over fifty two more yards a game. That's
(33:11):
the biggest improvement in the NFL. So I feel like
the Bears have just discovered Venmo this year. They'd been
paying people off in brown paper sacks since nineteen eighty five,
and they're like they figured it out.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Now.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
What makes it tough for the Bears is Green Bays
at home. And when Ben Johnson got hired, he probably
regrets it now, but he kind of fired a shot
at Matt LeFleur and the Bears rival.
Speaker 8 (33:43):
Remember this, I've got tremendous amount of respect for the
coaches and the players in this league. Haven't competed against
them for the last six years. And to be quite
frank with you, I kind of enjoyed beating Matt Lafour
twice a year.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Okay, I wouldn't have said that, but you know what happens.
It's an opening press conference.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Dan Campbell had a bad opening press conference, so at
Nick SIONI it's okay, but it's I feel like the
Bears have transitioned from Taxis to Uber, from paying people
off in brown paper sacks to Venmo and it's it's cool.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
It took him a while, but it's cool.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Dave want Staff, former Bear coach, going to be joining
us top of the hour along with the Blazing five picks.
So last night, Detroit beats Dallas, and because of that,
Detroit has a much greater shot to go to the playoffs,
and the Cowboys are kind of toast. The AFC equivalent
to that. The other conference is the Texans facing the Chiefs.
(34:53):
If the Texans win and beat him this weekend, and
I think it's a last second field goal game. I
don't get three and a half as a line at all,
Houston eighty five percent chance of making the playoffs. If
the Chiefs lose this weekend and go six and seven
like Dallas last night, they're in big trouble.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
They're done.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
But I can I just say this, and I'm not
saying this because Tom Brady works for Fox. I've always
believed this, But let's just say Kansas City loses and
Mahomes doesn't make the playoffs. When you look at the
Brady Mahomes and I don't know if it's a rivalry,
(35:36):
but I mean until Tom went to Tampa, everybody was
saying there were a lot of people saying.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Well, you know, it's just it's Belichick maybe.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
System quarterback, and he went to Tampa won a super Bowl.
You're like, yeah, that's nonsense. In Belichick's Patriots circle the dream.
But never forget in the whole Brady Mahomes rivalry. And
they're both all time greats and I love both. Brady
never got thoroughly blown out in the Super Bowl. Mahomes
is already at two in counting. Brady beat Mahomes twice,
(36:08):
once with Tampa and the Super Bowl blowout, and then
once in the AFC Championship at Arrowhead. That's in the
books forever, can't be argued. And number three, Brady in
his peak, never missed the playoffs. You can give me
twenty excuses. Two of those you can't turn around the
Super Bowl blowouts. Brady didn't have them, and Brady beat
(36:30):
him twice Super Bowl and AFC Championship. This would be
the third thing you can't argue about because Tom and
his prime did miss the playoffs. Now again I'm celebrating both.
It's like Jordan and Lebron, two best basketball players along
with Magic I ever saw in Priy kaream. But and
this is with Andy Reid and with Travis Kelce. I
(36:53):
do think some of the problems and this will well
run organization in Kansas City are out of Patrick's control.
They're not right now dependable at offensive tackle and the
two times they got whacked in the Super Bowl, they
weren't very good in the old line, specifically tackle, so
and they also haven't run the ball particularly well. Listen,
they had to move off Joe Tooney. Joe Tooney is
(37:14):
the best guard arguably in the sport. Their tackle situation
is not good, so it's really hard to win a
Super Bowl, even to get to one. When you're online,
you don't trust them. Here's Mahomes on the must win
game against the gnarly defense in Houston this weekend.
Speaker 9 (37:31):
I don't know if we've been in this situation this
early in the season, and so I think just learning
from it together, building together, and then using what we
can use from prior seasons to hopefully make a run
of this thing and try to get ourselves into the
playoff and see where we can go from there.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
So, if you look at the playoff picture today in
the AFC and the NFC. In the AFC, New England, Denver, Jacksonville,
Baltimore leading their wild card Chargers Colts Buffalo, I'd be
(38:06):
very wary of the Colts right now in the hunt Houston, Pittsburgh,
and Kansas City. When you take those in the hunt
teams Houston, Pittsburgh, and Kansas City, what's the best unit
of all three teams, It's the Texans defense. My take
is the Texans are going to be probably find themselves
as a wildcard team. If you look at the NFC
(38:29):
playoff picture right now, it is very much established. San
Francisco is the seventh seed, so Chicago's in rams, Philadelphia, Tampa,
Seattle's dangerous, Green Bay, San Francisco keep your eye in Detroit.
I think Carolina's defense will eventually be their issue. Dallas
played themselves out of it last night. I think Detroit's
(38:54):
got more good players than San Francisco does in terms
of overall talent.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
I don't know if it's even that close.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Most of Detroit's best players offensively are just entering their
prime or in their prime. A lot of the great
players for the Niners are Old Kittle, Christian McCaffrey, Trent Williams,
Hall of famers, but Old so the Texans. Kansas City
is not as good as Green Bay Chicago in terms
(39:23):
of game of the week, and it's hard to bet
against Kansas City in these spots. I think it's a
field goal game, a go either way game, but that's
where we are. My Blazing five picks are at the
top of next hour. I just took one out. It
has been reported that Jaden Daniels will play for Washington,
(39:44):
and I had Minnesota at home in that game as
one of my Blazing five picks. I have removed that
because I am not betting against Jaden Daniels whoever the
quarterback is for the Minnesota Vikings. So I just took
that one out put the Chargers Eagles in. It's not
the season on the line for either team, but wow,
(40:09):
Philadelphia loses on Monday Night, it'll be a sixty five
to thirty five Eagles crowd. They're Philadelphia fans, I've been
told all over Los Angeles. Blazing five Dave Wanstad around
the corner.
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