December 12, 2025 • 40 mins
Colin Cowherd breaks down why the Tampa Bay Buccaneers’ fifth loss in six games reinforces his long-standing belief about offensive head coaches vs. defensive head coaches -- and how that philosophy directly impacts quarterbacks in today’s NFL
He once again discusses why the Bills need to put better weapons around QB Josh Allen and the GM not taking the WR position seriously
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, it is a Friday. Let's wrap up the
week with a strong one. The Blazing Five off another
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Jmack likes the Dogs this week, I'm going with some
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the Bucks and the Falcons not that fascinating. But there's
a bigger picture here that I'm watching all over. I
sought at Michigan and I'm seeing it all over for
the NFL. So I love the fact, first of all,
that Todd Bowles ripped the players after the game. Sometimes
it's the player's fault. You can't lose a game when
the other team has nineteen penalties like Atlanta did and.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
You lost brutal.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Now, I'm not sure Todd Bowles is a great head coach.
He's a great defensive coordinator, so got fired with the Jets.
They've lost five to six, third straight season in Tampa
where they start strong and they fade fast. So I
don't know if he's a great coach. But the Baker
Mayfield component here is interesting. So Baker lost two great
offensive coordinators last couple of years, Liam Cohen. He's in
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first place with the Jags, and Dave Canalis first place
with the Panthers. So Baker's always been a great comeback story.
But Baker Mayfield is one in nine in primetime games.
He's not mahomes Allen, He's not Stafford, He's not that
kind of talent. He's very dependent on his coordinator. And
what did Tampa do when they lost Liam Cohen? You know,
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I don't like they hired a guy who was in house.
Now the offense stinks. Baker didn't get worse. They added
in Muka, the receiver from why Ohio State. They should
be a better offense, Muka, they should be a better offense.
They're worse, far worse. What did the Eagles do when
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they lost Kellen Moore? They hired in house. The Eagles
offense broken. What did the Lions do when Ben Johnson left, Well,
let's just hire the guy down the Hall. Lions offense
is not the same Tampa Bay did it, Michigan football.
Let's replace hardball with a guy down two doors down
in the facility stop. The NFL is too big of
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a business to hire proximity. Sometimes it works, But if
you lose Ben Johnson, if you're losing Liam Cohen and
Dave Canal's who are head coaches? Is the guy you
give the job to, the in house guy? Is he
going to be an NFL head coach someday? So Baker,
last year top five red zone offense in the NFL.
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Now they're twenty second. How they added a great wide receiver.
Last year, they were first in the league on third downs,
Now they're eighteenth. Everything has dropped off a mat. They
were a top five offense last year, they had a
star receiver out of Ohio State, and now they're a
bottom feeder. So I know everybody thinks I'm crazy on
this offensive defensive coach. I think you should hire offensive coaches.
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I think there are exceptions, and I don't know if
Todd Bowles is a great coach. The problem being if
you hire an offensive coach and he does nail it
with the OC. The OC within the year two leaves,
then you've got to nail it again. And Todd Bowles went, oh,
he nailed it again. And then that guy leads who's
going to go three for three on hiring brilliant offensive coordinators?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
So Shanahan, Andy.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Reid, Mcveighhan Payton, they don't have to worry about that
as offensive coaches. They know the scheme. They're offensive guys.
So that's the danger and a defensive head coach. I
like Baker, but Baker's not a great quarterback. He gets hot,
he's a streaky quarterback, but he is very reliant on
a sharp young coordinator. The Eagles did it, The Buccaneers
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have done it, the Lions did it. Michigan football had
a whole different issues there, but Michigan.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Football did it.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
The greater the candidate who leaves, the greater the candidate
you've got to replace, the wider the search has to be.
The NFL is a massive business. The guy down the
hallway is not the best candidate. Ninety nine percent of
the times. Here's a very angry Todd Bowles after.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
It's an excuse the book you don't make excuses. You
got to care enough the way it hurts. You got
to care enough where it hurts. It got to mean
something to you. It's more than a her livelihood. How
well do you know your job? How well can you
do your job?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Well?
Speaker 4 (05:05):
You can't sugarcoat that. It was inexcusable and he has
no answer for it. That's for no excuse for it.
And that's what you're telling him a lot mirror.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Can you imagine an NBA coach doing that?
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
So, sometimes it is on the players. So now I
see a headline this morning, Well, Todd Bowles, he is
officially on the hot seat, and maybe he should be.
Can I offer another GM and a coach who could be?
It's up in Buffalo. Buffalo's playing the Patriots this weekend.
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Let's say the Patriots beat the Bills again this season
and at the very brisk business by the way, heard Harold,
the headline is Patriots clinch Division in Vrabel's first year,
MVP Allen falls short again. How's that gonna play in Buffalo?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
How's that gonna play? Worst receiving room in the league
for a star quarterback? Matt Stafford has Sean McVay has
an array of weapons, Devontae Adams and Pooka. By the way,
you could have traded for Devonte Adams he was on
the market. Greg cosel Truthbaum yesterday on our show about
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the Bills current roster.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
It'd be hard pressed to name an impact player that
they have on the defensive side of the ball. They
certainly don't have a receiving corps. If we look at
you Kir and say he's their best receiver, he's clearly
a number three type. He's very good at that, but
he's a number three type. So they're really not that
good a football team. And I know that there's been
a lot to talk about, well, this is Josh Allen
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geer and if he doesn't make it, you know that
is so silly. They're just not that good overall from
a talent perspective.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Lat week, Josh Allen completed twenty two passes. Fifteen were
to tight ends and running backs. It's the weakest wide
receiver room in the league. And the general manager Brandon
Bean when he was called out by local media instead
of owning it because this is an awful receiving room.
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They don't have a number one or a number two
Brandon Bean went after the local Buffalo radio hosts.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
You guys were bitching in twenty eighteen about Josh Allen.
You guys wanted Josh Rosen, and now you guys are
bitching that we don't have a receiver.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
I don't get it.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
You got to have a show and you got to
have something to bitch about. But bitching about wide receiver
is one of the dumbest arguments I've heard.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Really, worst receiving room in the league.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Josh Allen's the quarterback, best deep ball thrower in the league.
By the way, Brandon Bean brought back twenty of twenty
two starters.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
He thinks this group's good. They're not.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
They've got a handful of really good players at the
te deadline. By the way, Jacoby Myers was available, they
talked to him, didn't land him. You know where he
went Jacksonville three straight games with a touchdown. Jacoby Myers,
Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean both they need to win
and they are favored, and they may match up very
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well with the Patriots, but they have the world's best
football player at the most important position. I had Mark
Schlareth on this week and I asked Mark, I said,
you know you've been around the Bills, and his quote was,
I was thoroughly unimpressed with Buffalo as a football team,
blown away by their quarterback, unimpressed with everything else. Greg
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Cosel watches the film, you watch the games. I do too,
So Todd Bowles may not be a head coach, and
I think Sean McDermott is more than capable. And Brandon
Bean has hit on some really good players. But when
he's barking at local radio hosts, my take his last
week is a prime example of why this team feels
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out of the Super Bowl bubble. Twenty two completions fifteen
to tight ends and running backs. The local radio guys
probably right. Jacoby Myers on the market, Davonte Adams again,
I'm watching the Rams go out Land Nate Landman, Davonte Adams,
Emmanuel Forbes and nail every draft pick defensively for three years.
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I just don't think Buffalo's that good. And what if
New England in Mike Vrabel's first year and the kid
quarterback Drake may sweep him in Vrabel's first year. Maybe
that's not You're not going to pull the trigger like
Todd bole's getting fired after the season. I think this
game is huge for the GM and the head coach
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because Buffalo's got the owner. He's a good owner, new stadium,
star quarterback, everything else to me on the table, everything
Mac blazing five in one hour. A lot of interesting
stuff today.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
Yeah, I'm just looking at this Bill's Patriots game. Interesting
sounds like you like the Patriots too, Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I think a rested team at home that does pretty
much everything well against a Buffalo team with a superstar
quarterback who's now turning the ball over, has no deep threat.
I think I get the better coach in New England.
I like home, better coach, well rested, healthier, and oh,
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by the way, doesn't really have a bad unit.
Speaker 8 (10:40):
That's fair. I'm looking at the last meeting.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
So Buffalo fumbled inside their own twenty handing the Patriots point.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Well, they did that last week too, Josh.
Speaker 7 (10:47):
Allen interception in the red zone of Josh Allen fumble
near midfield. Like they made a lot of mistakes, eleven penalties,
weren't really buttoned up early in the season.
Speaker 8 (10:56):
I think we get a max effort from the Bills.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Oh I do too.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I'm just saying if they lose, that is a bad
Monday in Buffalo.
Speaker 7 (11:03):
Oh yeah, I think you're spot on McDermott. They want
to find a real estate.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I got nothing against the general manager, but it's like,
you can't have the best quarterback in the league and
be awful at receiver.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
Well, you know Baltimore is dealing with that too, right
They Flowers is better better than anything anything Buffalo hapen.
But you know, kin Kate is good, Knocks is good.
Speaker 8 (11:24):
I like them both.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
But Dalton kidd game got hurt earlier this year, and
the offense is like, really, it's like you can't reel
because a tight end. By the way, the Rams have
four tight ends. They can all play.
Speaker 8 (11:35):
Yeah four.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
When do we have a reckoning with quarterback salaries because
Josh Allen salary is it's onerous, Like, I mean, I
don't know how you build a team.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
I'm not saying it's I'm not saying it's not harder,
but it seems to me the Rams hit on all
their draft picks. Therefore they can go get Devonte Adams
and steal Nate Landman. I mean, Howie Roseman stole the
linebacker last year, became a Pro Bowler you gotta find
some value you on the market. I keep saying this.
I never understood whether the Patriots like go with Jacoby Myers.
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I don't get what the Raiders did. He goes to Jacksonville.
He's a touchdown machine.
Speaker 8 (12:08):
They think he's a problem in the locker room.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
I don't know think that's the case. Trevor Lawrence loves him.
I mean he throw him all the time.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 3 (12:55):
So I got into this discussion last night.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
We were talking about Sdor Sanders and he's a fan
of Shitter Sanders, and I said, you know, I could
never understand how I missed that badly on a quarterback.
I said, I thought he was like a mid to
late first round guy, maybe top of the second and
he dropped to the fifth round. But I was thinking
about this, he's looked pretty good. I mean, Greg Cosel
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this week came on and said, yeah, it's early, but
those are those are big time throws. So let's just
say Shaduur Sanders does become a franchise quarterback and through
three starts with the weakest receiving room in the NFL
thirty second worst receiving room in the NFL PFF thirty
second third worst offensive line PFF, he's got nothing to
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work with five touchdowns, two picks, ninety four passer rating.
Should also be noted that Shaduur Sanders did not get
any work with the ones before he started, right, it
was Dylan Gabriel getting all of it because Dylan Gabriel
was a rookie. So he's got the third worst O
line in the league, the worst wide receiving room in
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the league, did not work with number ones, and yet
eight of the top twelve teams drafting currently in the
NFL at the top of the draft board are desperate
for a quarterback, and people thought Shadour. NFLGM said he's
a little immature. I agree, he's not serious enough for
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my taste. So I think the NFL wanted to send
sort of a message. Straighten up, young man. I'll say
it again. Fifth round. Every team in this league passed
on him at least four times. Do you realize with
the worst receiving core in the league and the third
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worst offensive line since becoming a starter, Shadour is the
best rookie quarterback in the league total yards, total touchdowns,
big plays, passing yards and attempts. He's the best rookie
quarterback since he got the start. Again, not much around him,
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So some of these NFL teams, I think, said we're
just going to send a message. He thinks he's a celebrity.
I kept saying, he's the most accurate college quarterback in
the sports history. He moves pretty well, he's a big
play guy. And I don't know if he's going to
be a franchise quarterback. I don't know, but I know
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what I'm watching and I know what he has to
work with.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Now.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I like Stefanski a lot, but it is interesting anytime
go look at the draft order right now, eight of
the twelve teams at the top could use a quarterback,
and everybody passed on him. And it's not like they
passed on him like you could say, well, brock Purty.
Brock Purty was reckless and small. He was not viewed
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by a single GM I talked to, was a top
four round quarterback. Some liked him late fifth, sixth. There's
a reason he dropped. And if he didn't have Shanahan
and Kittle and McCaffrey, my guess is we wouldn't be
talking about brock perty every Sunday or every other Sunday.
Shadur's got nothing to work with. Shanahan is viewed as
a higher grade coach than Stefanski. I like both a lot,
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but it is pretty fascinating in a league desperate for
a certain position, eight teams minimum need one, if not
this year, in two years, and he dropped to the
fifth round as the most accurate college quarterback ever not
playing with a lot of NFL guys in college. That's
one of the things I said Dylan Gabriel, he played
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with pros at Oregon. Those guys get more open than
Colorado guys on average. I mean he was running for
his life at Colorado as a two to three year
starter who's running for his life. So here is Stefanski
on the improving Shahdour Sanders.
Speaker 9 (16:48):
There's a lot of quarterbacks that have always made plays
outside the structure of their offense, from when they were
young to when they get to the pros. And I
never want to take that away from a player. And
Shabdor has a ability to make plays off schedule, So
that's something that you certainly want to promote and enhance
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and get the team playing to that style as well.
You also you learn that from playing, you learn that
from being in these games. And I think he's making
progress there.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, And I had said j Mack is my witness
in all the years I've been doing this show, which
is about twenty did some local for a while, but
the syndicated stuff, I'd never projected a quarterback to be
a first rounder, and they fell to the fifth like
I had sourcing people I trusted, I trusted my eyes
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fifth like I get it top of the third little immature.
He's a little mature. He's not serious enough for me.
But I'll also argue he's pretty good at the podium.
But it's really interesting that I think the NFL wanted
to send a message.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
They did.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah, we should have drafted him because we need one
now in this draft. And oh, by the way, with nil,
many of the teams that need a quarterback, I don't
think people thought about this. Dante Moore is probably going
to stay in college, ty Simpson may stay in college.
More and more quarterbacks are going to stay another year
in college. So if you get the opportunity to draft
somebody as talented as Shader, you may want to get
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out of the message business, right Like it used to be,
guys would rush maybe a year early to the NFL
with the nil. Outside of Mendoza, If Dante Moore, ty
Simpson sellers, they all all stay in college. The supply
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doesn't meet the demand. So it just the NFL kind
of got into the message business when you should probably
probably worry more about drafting the best players available that business.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
J Mack with the News.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
No, no, this is the herd line news.
Speaker 8 (19:04):
All right, let's go to that Cowboys vikings game Colin,
very good match away.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
I missed my blazing part.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
Yeah, Dallas obviously needs it badly. At six six and one,
they are unlikely to make the playoffs, just an eleven
percent chance to make the postseason. So it's basically you
got to win out. Dallas needs to win out, and
uh here's Dak Prescott talking about it.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Just gotta go win every game. I mean that's all
I can control. No root against them regardless.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
So so whether we are in this position or not,
I got to control what I can control and go
win games on my hand.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah, this is last week. You did this too. You
talked me out of this game.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
Well, if them being the Eagles obviously in the division,
they want to catch them, I'm sorry for talking to
you out of games.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
I'll just say this. I think Dak became a father.
Is that this year? You know he had the brown.
Speaker 7 (19:56):
He seems so with it at the podium, every time
he talk to the media.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
He just he just really very relaxed.
Speaker 8 (20:02):
I like him, man, I like this.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I think he's a hard guy not to let the problem.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
You know.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
The tough part is is the contract they gave him.
You know, the richest contract in the league.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Well, this is the for the record, this is Buffalo's
would be their primary issue, which is we're paying you know,
Josh Allen's the second biggest cap, Dak's the biggest cap hit.
So it's I'm not saying it makes it easier, but
Dallas is making all sorts of deals.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
Well they're trying, Yeah, they are they shuffling the deck
chairs on the Titanic?
Speaker 8 (20:30):
Well were they making deals to get into the way?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Bought back twenty to twenty two players, So they're like,
we're satisfied. Jerry's like, We're not so. And I also
think you got to give Dak credit. It's a noisy operation.
It's a family business. This is not the easiest place
to be an NFL quarterback.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
Am Cowboys five and a half. So even if they win,
we know the Eagles are not losing to the Raiders, right,
that's not happening, right, So I just don't see where
where they catch that thing.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I agree, it just feels.
Speaker 8 (20:59):
And then you go to the offseason.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
We got the picking stuff, and then we're paying them
three defensive tackles a ton.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Of money, but two first round picks, which you can
very easily because you don't need a quarterback, and you're
getting a pass rush without Micah, you don't have to
get an edge.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I would get a right tackle.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
My guess is Dallas goes right tackle offensive tackle in
the draft in the first round with one of their picks,
and then tries to trade down the other one and
get a bevy of picks.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
I'll argue this all day.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I like Dallas's future if they move those picks, because
they've been a very good first round picking team. Yeah,
I think Dallas is pretty stocked if they can nail
the first two picks at the right positions, right tackle, absolutely.
Speaker 8 (21:39):
I just you'd like to talk about roster strength.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
There's at least seven teams with better rosters in the
NFC than daw at least seven, and then you start
looking at salary cap stuff. It's it feels like a
big mountain to climb, Like, look at the Lions have
way better players than the Cowboys.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
It's not even close. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
I don't want to see town sound too down on Dallas,
butlet's get positive. Let's talk Lions Rams. Huge matchup on
Fox Sunday. Obviously, big history between McVeigh Goff and Stafford.
Both both teams have profited. Obviously, the Rams have the
Super Bowl win, but ahead of this weekend's matchup, McVeigh
spoke to the grossy scene in his former quarterback Jared Goff.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Unbelievable accuracy and anticipation. Jared's played really great, you know,
and I've been truly happy to see, you know, what
he's done and how he's really put that team on
his back and done such.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
A great job of being able to build.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
You know, I've been very open and very clear about
I had a lot of growing up to do.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
You know.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Back when that thing went down, there was a lot
of great memories, a lot of really good ball that
he did here that I'll always cherish, and I'm truly
happy for him.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
It's the It's the best trade for both teams in
the NFL in a long time. Like I I mean,
you can go to any sport. Everybody won with that deal.
The Lions needed a little younger quarterback and lots to
draft capital, and their GM nailed depicts and the Rams
said we need we need a little better in the pocket,
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little more experienced, little bigger arm.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Both hit it out of the park.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
Where are you on this game because six is a
big number for Allion's team, they can come in the
backdoor easily.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Lions defense is struggling, but more problematic, their offense is
not good on third or fourth down. And if you
go on the road against the high powered offense, you
got to pick up first downs, okay, and they're Detroit
is punting more and not moving the change. The problem
with Detroit is are they gonna get the Rams? Are
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gonna get thirteen fourteen possessions because they they're struggling to
extend drives. It's not a lack of talent, it's a
lack of third down conversion.
Speaker 8 (23:46):
It's almost like you're looking at my scream.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
So remember Dan Campbell couldn't get a fourth down to
save his life.
Speaker 8 (23:51):
Back to back weeks.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
He didn't go for fourth down once against Dallas. Is
he in his own head? I don't know, because, like
you said, extending drives are gonna be huge, Colin, And
I'll just add this fifty four percent chance for the
Lions to make the playoffs. Gambler, Dan Campbell, He's gonna
probably go for a few fourth downs here, right. This
is gonna be one of these games where it's like,
oh my gosh, we need we got.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
To have it.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
This has been the year in the NFL, the year
of coordinator value, Eagles, Lions, Bucks, all these high powered offense,
all these just juggernauts. Go look at Tampa's numbers last
year in Detroit's and they didn't go big, broad wide
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search on replacing excellent coordinators who became excellent head coaches.
That is not a knock on the guys who got
the jobs when you lose. Ben Johnson and Liam Cohen
are those guys are great, great offensive guys. So I
mean to me, I start looking around this league, we
always think, oh, it's it's just quarterback with Jared Goff
didn't get worse. They can't pick up first downs on
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third or four. That's not a Jared Goff issue.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
And Ben Johnson currently in the playoff, Liam Cohen currently
in the playoffs, DA Dave can Alice in the mix.
Kellen Moore, Well, the Saints aren't good, but they've been
plucky for the last one.
Speaker 8 (25:09):
That's a that's an interesting theory. All right, final story call,
let's go to Joe Burrow.
Speaker 7 (25:13):
Obviously, the inflammatory comments in Cincinnati this week. Okay, that's
that's a bit of a shocker. They are facing the Ravens.
They are home dogs. But interestingly, after Burrow's comments about
not having fun, Jamar Chase chimed in and he seems
just stunned that these are real comments.
Speaker 8 (25:33):
How much do you think Joe Burrow loves football?
Speaker 10 (25:38):
I thought this is an AI. I'm not Does this
really happen though? They that's real today? Yeah, nothing's wrong
with a little emotion at the end of the day,
especially coming back from injury. The man, the man loves
the game. I think he loves the game from what
I what I've.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Learned from him.
Speaker 10 (25:52):
Also at the end of the day, you know what
I'm saying. So I can't really say what he feels
at the end of the day, but from what I see,
he seems the same every day.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah, Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
This week it had a little Andrew LUCKVI, little Trevor
Lawrence vibe. I don't but I'm going to defend Burrow
because Burrows had to go into rehab multiple times. Rehab
is really hard for all pro athletes. It's a grind
and there's no payoff, so rehab is brutal. If you
have to do it once in your career. I think
Burrough's done it three to four times. Secondly, is the
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organization has failed to protect him. We talk about it
on this show all the time. The offensive line is
the insurance policy. The quarterbacks, the Bentley. You'd never own
a Bentley without an insurance policy. The Bengals have failed
Burrow on the offensive line atrocious six years in a row.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
So this league is not.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
That compliment, not that confusing, not that confounding, not that complicated.
Get a great quarterback, protect great quarterback, and then draft
people who get the other team's quarterback. They have failed
at number two miserably in Cincinnati.
Speaker 8 (27:00):
This is crazy.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
So I'm looking at his career arc. He's played six seasons.
Three of them he's played ten or fewer games. Like
if we would call him Zion Williamson if he had
not gone to a super Bowl. I mean, Joe Burrow
went to the super Bowl in year two, then he
went to the AFC Championship and then nothing.
Speaker 8 (27:17):
I don't know when he's going to get back to
the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Column.
Speaker 7 (27:20):
Like, I'm not saying it's over for Burrow and Cincinnati,
but talk about this, what's their path to success? He
has won eight of his last nine stars.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
That's why I love the Bengals this weekend, everybody's staring
at the record. He wins every time he starts. He's
an incredible winning quarterback. Baltimore's offense is completely broken Cincinnati
last week if not for kind of a fluky pick
six that one that was bad at that to a
flukey play, you maybe have one of those in your career.
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They beat Buffalo at Buffalo in a snow store.
Speaker 7 (27:53):
As a different discussion, yeah, I will ask you. Obviously
the Bengals aren't going to want to entertain a Burrow trade, right,
but could anybody make it moderately interesting? A sweet and
a sick pot of picks players and Bengals.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
He's an Ohio kid. I don't think the Brown family
would listen.
Speaker 8 (28:11):
What if he went to them, because we know he
went to the team and.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
Was unhappy last season, Remember meeting with Zach Taylor after
the game.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
He's pissed.
Speaker 7 (28:18):
What if he does something like that this in the offseason. Guys,
this is not working. We're not going anywhere. Yeah, what's
your game plan? I've said this before.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
If you come out of college and let's say you're
a very talented attorney. You go to Yale, you go
to cal you go to Virginia, great schools, Michigan, and
you're an attorney. You can pick the city you want
to go to in the law firm. The better you
are as an athlete in college, generally you'll get picked
by the worse organization. Joe Burrow got a Carson Palmer.
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Joe Burrow got a bad break. Golf got a good one, right,
not the first year, but Goff got a good woe
Jeff Fisher. I mean, you start mahomes owns is unbelievably
and by the way, Lamar Jordan Love. Sometimes you get
the break.
Speaker 7 (29:05):
Yeah, and then other times you're like Lebron Kevin Durant, Joe.
You get crap franchises and it stinks because in the
NFL you're kind of locked in.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
They get double franchise tag.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Well, even in the NBA. Now, I was talking to
Danny Parkins about this. In the NBA, they make it unfair,
like you have to give up hundreds of millions of
dollars if you leave now the team that drafted you. Right,
so they think, well, it'll keep players in a local market.
But what if that local market has allows the owner
sagging attendance, a bad coach, and a cheap billionaire owner.
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So you're trapped. The NBA says, well, if you stay,
we'll pay us so much more three hundred million. And
that's supposed to be a player's league. Let players go
where they want to go. I understand a team drafting them,
but you should allow players. Stop worrying about protecting billionaires,
protect your talent.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
Yeah, the billionaires have it as socialism.
Speaker 7 (29:55):
Basically, everybody's going to get their guy, they get to
keep them, and you're kind of if you're Joe Burrow,
I feel bad.
Speaker 9 (30:01):
For the guy.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Yeah, that's where I think NBA players get hosed. I mean,
you'd have to give up one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 8 (30:07):
You can kind of make up for that. Another area's marketing,
not one hundred million.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
A lot of guys sell shoes.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
So you want to win and have fun and enjoy
your life for one hundred fifty million, or just get
paid three hundred million.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
To hate life.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Again, it's relative to their industry. I nobody wants to
hear this, but anyway, Jmack with the.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
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Speaker 1 (30:29):
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Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Jmck and I have talked about this. When you pay
your quarterback what you're paying Josh Allen or you know, uh,
you know, you know that you know the drill mahomes
Josh Allen. It's harder to construct a roster. It's very
hard to draft. You know, all the anonymous trolls on
the internet, they're brilliant drafters. I know these guys. It's hard.
It's really hard to draft. You just don't know, especially
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positions like wide receiver. There were some ego and a
big personality at wide receiver, and you know, some guys
just it doesn't work. You're asking young people to, you know,
come into a sport, travel cross country, different told law offense.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
It's hard.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I think it's much harder than drafting in basketball because
you can spot basketball talent.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I always tell the story.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I was in Hartford, Connecticut watching my daughter play in
a tournament and there was seven eight teams playing at once.
I sit down next to a coach and I said,
who's that girl like four courts away, And he goes, oh, yeah,
she's the best player, like seventh eighth grade girls. He's like,
she's already getting a talk from Division one schools. You
can spot basketball talent in one second. Football it's maturity.
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It's not the biggest, the strongest. It's heart, it's intangibles.
So I think it's hard and I understand that, and
Brett Veach is really good with the Chiefs, but Kansas
City can be officially eliminated this weekend. Should be noted
Tom Brady went healthy, made the playoffs nineteen straight years.
Tom took very favorable team deals. So last week was
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the home game against Texans. It was must win, and
they got worked. And I said on the time at
the time, Houston's got better players. So Kansas City just
doesn't look the part. And this morning I was saying
this to the team. I said, name the top ten
Chiefs players not on resume or legacy, guys who are
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playing at a high level right now. Number one is Mahomes,
Number two is a center Creed Humphrey, and number three
is a corner Trent McDuffie. But the time you get
to the fourth best player, you're saying, well, I mean
Chris Jones is having a down year, or maybe he's old. Well, ha,
Trey Smith is usually good. He's taken a small step back.
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You know, Travis Kelsey's had some drops, but he's been reasonably.
I don't know who the fourth best player is. They
have an offensive tackle issue. Conversely, let's go to a
team that also has an expensive quarterback but a more
team friendly deal, Matt Stafford Rams. Let's go to their
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ten best players, folks. They're all having great years Stafford,
Puka Nakua, Jared Vers, Devonte Adams, Kevin Dotson, Steve Avila.
The guards are great, Kyron Williams, poonah Ford has been unbelievable,
Byron Young, Nate Landman. I didn't mention any of their
good tight ends. They've got safeties. I like, I didn't
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mention any of their safeties. They got two really good safeties.
So my point is, trust your eyes. I don't know
who the Chief's fourth best player is I think carloftis
a little overpaid, big salary cap next year.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
I don't know if I'd be comfortable with it.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
So this is not anti Kansas City. Kareem Hunt isn't
either leading rusher. He was with me out of the
league a couple of years ago. Like, I just don't
think to me, the Rams and the Eagles and the
Packers and the Lions, A lot of these teams who
are also paying their quarterback Jared Goff and Matt Stafford
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Jalen Hurts. You can get around it, but I just
don't like. I trust my eyes. I don't like what
I see with Kansas City. So this is an interesting player.
So this weekend is a This is one of my
blazing five picks. I won't say what side. Denver hosts
Green Bay, and Denver's gonna win this division. Kansas City
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is now third behind Denver and the Chargers. I think
it's fascinating with Bo Nicks. So the Broncos quarterback is
Bo Nicks. He's on a rookie deal. So the Broncos roster,
especially defense, it's pretty stacked. But it's interesting about bo Nicks.
He is twenty one to nine as a starter. And
you could say, well, it's the defense. Well, he's taken
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the fewest sacks during these last two years. That's a skill.
He leads the NFL in game winning drives. Yes, leads
the NFL last two seasons. That's a skill. Okay, he
has the second most fourth quarter touchdown since he entered
the league.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
That's a skill.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
And by the way, this is where I will defend him.
Outside of Mahomes, he also has the most pass attempts.
Sean Payton's hard on his quarterbacks. He's incredibly demanding. It's
a thick playbook. This is not Big Ben when he
came to the NFL out of Miami, Ohio, went to
the Steelers and they were babysitting in for two years
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and letting it dominating defense control the games. You know,
Ben would make seventeen eighteen nineteen throws. They were kind
of babysitting. Again, that's not what this is. This is
here's the playbook, kid, memorize it. We're going to use
all of it Sunday. So there's no babysitting with this kid.
They're asking him to do more and I'm going to
defend those quarterbacks who have to throw it forty five
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times a game. And I feel like with bow Nicks
and people do this. Everybody's made up their mind on
bow Nicks because you saw a lot of them at Oregon,
and you've seen enough of them here, and nobody wants
just to acknowledge he's really good in the fourth He's
got all those things I love. He's durable, he's coachable,
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he's athletic, he's productive in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
He's a winner. Uh.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
He doesn't listen to the noise. You know you're not
on social media. He's one hundred percent team guy. But
I've said, if you love Caleb Williams and Chick, you
gotta like bo Nicks. Both have good rosters, both have
excellent O lines, Both have brilliant offensive coaches. Both have
nice weapons. I like Denver's receivers. I don't care what
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anybody says. I love Courtland Sutton. So if you like Caleb,
you gotta like bow Knicks. Both are uneven, both are
very very good in the fourth quarter. Yeah, I hear that, Oh,
Caleb's a superstar Bonnicks I'm out on so far. Great
offensive coach, great O line, defenses that take the ball
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away right one's leading a division. One's battling Green Bay
to lead a division. Here's bow Knicks on being underdogs.
Actually at home to Green Bay.
Speaker 11 (37:46):
Seems to be a playoff game, so this will be
an intense game on the field, it'll be an intense environment.
I don't don't really care if my mom thinks will win,
so that's all it matters.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Uh, you know, you can tell he his dad was
a coach. He doesn't take sacks, totally coachable. And again,
Sean Payton's not easy, Sean. You know it's funny about this,
Sean Payton. That's why I say Caleb and bo Nicks
to this point very comparable. Both now were in their
second year. Both can struggle early in games, but both
usually win and deliver late. Both throw occasional interceptions, but
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not that many really, But Caleb's got this kind of
fandom behind him. I think bo Nix is really good.
I think bo Nicks is way more athletic than anybody
gives them credit for. And in that draft class, Drake
may has been the absolute, inarguable start. Nobody can push
back on that. But if you like Caleb, it feels
like you gotta like bo Nicks.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
To me.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
In fact, bo Nix has actually been more accurate as
a thrower Blazing five top of the hour. The NFL
schedule for the weekend, it is a very important weekend,
even the games that don't have playoff implications. Minnesota Dallas
is fascinating because what are we going to see from
JJ McCarthy. He just had his best game as a pro.
They need to watch him the next four weeks to
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make a decision. What are they going to do with
JJ McCarthy. The Dallas defense doesn't let you run, so
he's gonna have to throw to beat the Cowboys on
the road. So even a game without playoff implications, Dallas
hosting Minnesota, to me, is a very interesting game. Atlanta
won last night, Bucks are reeling. I think it's not
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a Blazing five pick. I think Chicago wins this weekend,
but I think it's an entertaining game. I want to
see chador in Caleb Williams, I really do.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
J Mack. I ask you every week, where's the upset
on the board.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
There's going to be a couple of them five double
digits threads. There's there's gonna be an upset on the board.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
I mean there was one.
Speaker 7 (39:48):
Last night Falcons were what five six something like that.
I was looking at the Browns, but I don't think
I can do it. I mean, a weather's bad, Chadeur's
down his start, both tackles right now, and his starting center.
Speaker 8 (39:59):
I don't see that happening.
Speaker 7 (40:01):
I guess if you're begging me to take a dog,
I would kick the tires.
Speaker 8 (40:06):
With the Minnesota Vikings on Sunday Night football. I mean, listen,
I know you're smiling.
Speaker 7 (40:11):
You don't like JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
I stop with you. I don't like JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
The current data leads me to believe he's not a
franchise quarterback.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
We restate that.
Speaker 7 (40:20):
We can restate that. That being said, they won thirty
one nothing. He lit the world on fire. We didn't
even mention the guy all week practically like he had.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
A good game.
Speaker 7 (40:27):
I know it's washed very busy show. Yeah, there is
no time to mention it. I think they'll be frisky.
I like the Miami Dolphins on Monday and yeah getting
three and a half.
Speaker 8 (40:37):
I don't love the three.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
We gotta give Miami credit. We bailed on everything. They
have played their butt off the club. DJ Mike McDaniel
is last week and in New York cold weather, that
game was over an eight minutes. Yeah, lazing five neck
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All right, it is a Friday. Let's wrap up the
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Jmack likes the Dogs this week, I'm going with some
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the Bucks and the Falcons not that fascinating. But there's
a bigger picture here that I'm watching all over. I
sought at Michigan and I'm seeing it all over for
the NFL. So I love the fact, first of all,
that Todd Bowles ripped the players after the game. Sometimes
it's the player's fault. You can't lose a game when
the other team has nineteen penalties like Atlanta did and.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
You lost brutal.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Now, I'm not sure Todd Bowles is a great head coach.
He's a great defensive coordinator, so got fired with the Jets.
They've lost five to six, third straight season in Tampa
where they start strong and they fade fast. So I
don't know if he's a great coach. But the Baker
Mayfield component here is interesting. So Baker lost two great
offensive coordinators last couple of years, Liam Cohen. He's in
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first place with the Jags, and Dave Canalis first place
with the Panthers. So Baker's always been a great comeback story.
But Baker Mayfield is one in nine in primetime games.
He's not mahomes Allen, He's not Stafford, He's not that
kind of talent. He's very dependent on his coordinator. And
what did Tampa do when they lost Liam Cohen? You know,
(02:00):
I don't like they hired a guy who was in house.
Now the offense stinks. Baker didn't get worse. They added
in Muka, the receiver from why Ohio State. They should
be a better offense, Muka, they should be a better offense.
They're worse, far worse. What did the Eagles do when
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they lost Kellen Moore? They hired in house. The Eagles
offense broken. What did the Lions do when Ben Johnson left, Well,
let's just hire the guy down the Hall. Lions offense
is not the same Tampa Bay did it, Michigan football.
Let's replace hardball with a guy down two doors down
in the facility stop. The NFL is too big of
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a business to hire proximity. Sometimes it works, But if
you lose Ben Johnson, if you're losing Liam Cohen and
Dave Canal's who are head coaches? Is the guy you
give the job to, the in house guy? Is he
going to be an NFL head coach someday? So Baker,
last year top five red zone offense in the NFL.
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Now they're twenty second. How they added a great wide receiver.
Last year, they were first in the league on third downs,
Now they're eighteenth. Everything has dropped off a mat. They
were a top five offense last year, they had a
star receiver out of Ohio State, and now they're a
bottom feeder. So I know everybody thinks I'm crazy on
this offensive defensive coach. I think you should hire offensive coaches.
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I think there are exceptions, and I don't know if
Todd Bowles is a great coach. The problem being if
you hire an offensive coach and he does nail it
with the OC. The OC within the year two leaves,
then you've got to nail it again. And Todd Bowles went, oh,
he nailed it again. And then that guy leads who's
going to go three for three on hiring brilliant offensive coordinators?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
So Shanahan, Andy.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Reid, Mcveighhan Payton, they don't have to worry about that
as offensive coaches. They know the scheme. They're offensive guys.
So that's the danger and a defensive head coach. I
like Baker, but Baker's not a great quarterback. He gets hot,
he's a streaky quarterback, but he is very reliant on
a sharp young coordinator. The Eagles did it, The Buccaneers
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have done it, the Lions did it. Michigan football had
a whole different issues there, but Michigan.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Football did it.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
The greater the candidate who leaves, the greater the candidate
you've got to replace, the wider the search has to be.
The NFL is a massive business. The guy down the
hallway is not the best candidate. Ninety nine percent of
the times. Here's a very angry Todd Bowles after.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
It's an excuse the book you don't make excuses. You
got to care enough the way it hurts. You got
to care enough where it hurts. It got to mean
something to you. It's more than a her livelihood. How
well do you know your job? How well can you
do your job?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Well?
Speaker 4 (05:05):
You can't sugarcoat that. It was inexcusable and he has
no answer for it. That's for no excuse for it.
And that's what you're telling him a lot mirror.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Can you imagine an NBA coach doing that?
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
So, sometimes it is on the players. So now I
see a headline this morning, Well, Todd Bowles, he is
officially on the hot seat, and maybe he should be.
Can I offer another GM and a coach who could be?
It's up in Buffalo. Buffalo's playing the Patriots this weekend.
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Let's say the Patriots beat the Bills again this season
and at the very brisk business by the way, heard Harold,
the headline is Patriots clinch Division in Vrabel's first year,
MVP Allen falls short again. How's that gonna play in Buffalo?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
How's that gonna play? Worst receiving room in the league
for a star quarterback? Matt Stafford has Sean McVay has
an array of weapons, Devontae Adams and Pooka. By the way,
you could have traded for Devonte Adams he was on
the market. Greg cosel Truthbaum yesterday on our show about
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the Bills current roster.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
It'd be hard pressed to name an impact player that
they have on the defensive side of the ball. They
certainly don't have a receiving corps. If we look at
you Kir and say he's their best receiver, he's clearly
a number three type. He's very good at that, but
he's a number three type. So they're really not that
good a football team. And I know that there's been
a lot to talk about, well, this is Josh Allen
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geer and if he doesn't make it, you know that
is so silly. They're just not that good overall from
a talent perspective.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Lat week, Josh Allen completed twenty two passes. Fifteen were
to tight ends and running backs. It's the weakest wide
receiver room in the league. And the general manager Brandon
Bean when he was called out by local media instead
of owning it because this is an awful receiving room.
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They don't have a number one or a number two
Brandon Bean went after the local Buffalo radio hosts.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
You guys were bitching in twenty eighteen about Josh Allen.
You guys wanted Josh Rosen, and now you guys are
bitching that we don't have a receiver.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
I don't get it.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
You got to have a show and you got to
have something to bitch about. But bitching about wide receiver
is one of the dumbest arguments I've heard.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Really, worst receiving room in the league.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Josh Allen's the quarterback, best deep ball thrower in the league.
By the way, Brandon Bean brought back twenty of twenty
two starters.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
He thinks this group's good. They're not.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
They've got a handful of really good players at the
te deadline. By the way, Jacoby Myers was available, they
talked to him, didn't land him. You know where he
went Jacksonville three straight games with a touchdown. Jacoby Myers,
Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean both they need to win
and they are favored, and they may match up very
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well with the Patriots, but they have the world's best
football player at the most important position. I had Mark
Schlareth on this week and I asked Mark, I said,
you know you've been around the Bills, and his quote was,
I was thoroughly unimpressed with Buffalo as a football team,
blown away by their quarterback, unimpressed with everything else. Greg
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Cosel watches the film, you watch the games. I do too,
So Todd Bowles may not be a head coach, and
I think Sean McDermott is more than capable. And Brandon
Bean has hit on some really good players. But when
he's barking at local radio hosts, my take his last
week is a prime example of why this team feels
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out of the Super Bowl bubble. Twenty two completions fifteen
to tight ends and running backs. The local radio guys
probably right. Jacoby Myers on the market, Davonte Adams again,
I'm watching the Rams go out Land Nate Landman, Davonte Adams,
Emmanuel Forbes and nail every draft pick defensively for three years.
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I just don't think Buffalo's that good. And what if
New England in Mike Vrabel's first year and the kid
quarterback Drake may sweep him in Vrabel's first year. Maybe
that's not You're not going to pull the trigger like
Todd bole's getting fired after the season. I think this
game is huge for the GM and the head coach
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because Buffalo's got the owner. He's a good owner, new stadium,
star quarterback, everything else to me on the table, everything
Mac blazing five in one hour. A lot of interesting
stuff today.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
Yeah, I'm just looking at this Bill's Patriots game. Interesting
sounds like you like the Patriots too, Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I think a rested team at home that does pretty
much everything well against a Buffalo team with a superstar
quarterback who's now turning the ball over, has no deep threat.
I think I get the better coach in New England.
I like home, better coach, well rested, healthier, and oh,
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by the way, doesn't really have a bad unit.
Speaker 8 (10:40):
That's fair. I'm looking at the last meeting.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
So Buffalo fumbled inside their own twenty handing the Patriots point.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Well, they did that last week too, Josh.
Speaker 7 (10:47):
Allen interception in the red zone of Josh Allen fumble
near midfield. Like they made a lot of mistakes, eleven penalties,
weren't really buttoned up early in the season.
Speaker 8 (10:56):
I think we get a max effort from the Bills.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Oh I do too.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I'm just saying if they lose, that is a bad
Monday in Buffalo.
Speaker 7 (11:03):
Oh yeah, I think you're spot on McDermott. They want
to find a real estate.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I got nothing against the general manager, but it's like,
you can't have the best quarterback in the league and
be awful at receiver.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
Well, you know Baltimore is dealing with that too, right
They Flowers is better better than anything anything Buffalo hapen.
But you know, kin Kate is good, Knocks is good.
Speaker 8 (11:24):
I like them both.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
But Dalton kidd game got hurt earlier this year, and
the offense is like, really, it's like you can't reel
because a tight end. By the way, the Rams have
four tight ends. They can all play.
Speaker 8 (11:35):
Yeah four.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
When do we have a reckoning with quarterback salaries because
Josh Allen salary is it's onerous, Like, I mean, I
don't know how you build a team.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
I'm not saying it's I'm not saying it's not harder,
but it seems to me the Rams hit on all
their draft picks. Therefore they can go get Devonte Adams
and steal Nate Landman. I mean, Howie Roseman stole the
linebacker last year, became a Pro Bowler you gotta find
some value you on the market. I keep saying this.
I never understood whether the Patriots like go with Jacoby Myers.
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I don't get what the Raiders did. He goes to Jacksonville.
He's a touchdown machine.
Speaker 8 (12:08):
They think he's a problem in the locker room.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
I don't know think that's the case. Trevor Lawrence loves him.
I mean he throw him all the time.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 3 (12:55):
So I got into this discussion last night.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
We were talking about Sdor Sanders and he's a fan
of Shitter Sanders, and I said, you know, I could
never understand how I missed that badly on a quarterback.
I said, I thought he was like a mid to
late first round guy, maybe top of the second and
he dropped to the fifth round. But I was thinking
about this, he's looked pretty good. I mean, Greg Cosel
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this week came on and said, yeah, it's early, but
those are those are big time throws. So let's just
say Shaduur Sanders does become a franchise quarterback and through
three starts with the weakest receiving room in the NFL
thirty second worst receiving room in the NFL PFF thirty
second third worst offensive line PFF, he's got nothing to
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work with five touchdowns, two picks, ninety four passer rating.
Should also be noted that Shaduur Sanders did not get
any work with the ones before he started, right, it
was Dylan Gabriel getting all of it because Dylan Gabriel
was a rookie. So he's got the third worst O
line in the league, the worst wide receiving room in
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the league, did not work with number ones, and yet
eight of the top twelve teams drafting currently in the
NFL at the top of the draft board are desperate
for a quarterback, and people thought Shadour. NFLGM said he's
a little immature. I agree, he's not serious enough for
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my taste. So I think the NFL wanted to send
sort of a message. Straighten up, young man. I'll say
it again. Fifth round. Every team in this league passed
on him at least four times. Do you realize with
the worst receiving core in the league and the third
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worst offensive line since becoming a starter, Shadour is the
best rookie quarterback in the league total yards, total touchdowns,
big plays, passing yards and attempts. He's the best rookie
quarterback since he got the start. Again, not much around him,
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So some of these NFL teams, I think, said we're
just going to send a message. He thinks he's a celebrity.
I kept saying, he's the most accurate college quarterback in
the sports history. He moves pretty well, he's a big
play guy. And I don't know if he's going to
be a franchise quarterback. I don't know, but I know
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what I'm watching and I know what he has to
work with.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Now.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I like Stefanski a lot, but it is interesting anytime
go look at the draft order right now, eight of
the twelve teams at the top could use a quarterback,
and everybody passed on him. And it's not like they
passed on him like you could say, well, brock Purty.
Brock Purty was reckless and small. He was not viewed
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by a single GM I talked to, was a top
four round quarterback. Some liked him late fifth, sixth. There's
a reason he dropped. And if he didn't have Shanahan
and Kittle and McCaffrey, my guess is we wouldn't be
talking about brock perty every Sunday or every other Sunday.
Shadur's got nothing to work with. Shanahan is viewed as
a higher grade coach than Stefanski. I like both a lot,
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but it is pretty fascinating in a league desperate for
a certain position, eight teams minimum need one, if not
this year, in two years, and he dropped to the
fifth round as the most accurate college quarterback ever not
playing with a lot of NFL guys in college. That's
one of the things I said Dylan Gabriel, he played
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with pros at Oregon. Those guys get more open than
Colorado guys on average. I mean he was running for
his life at Colorado as a two to three year
starter who's running for his life. So here is Stefanski
on the improving Shahdour Sanders.
Speaker 9 (16:48):
There's a lot of quarterbacks that have always made plays
outside the structure of their offense, from when they were
young to when they get to the pros. And I
never want to take that away from a player. And
Shabdor has a ability to make plays off schedule, So
that's something that you certainly want to promote and enhance
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and get the team playing to that style as well.
You also you learn that from playing, you learn that
from being in these games. And I think he's making
progress there.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, And I had said j Mack is my witness
in all the years I've been doing this show, which
is about twenty did some local for a while, but
the syndicated stuff, I'd never projected a quarterback to be
a first rounder, and they fell to the fifth like
I had sourcing people I trusted, I trusted my eyes
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fifth like I get it top of the third little immature.
He's a little mature. He's not serious enough for me.
But I'll also argue he's pretty good at the podium.
But it's really interesting that I think the NFL wanted
to send a message.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
They did.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah, we should have drafted him because we need one
now in this draft. And oh, by the way, with nil,
many of the teams that need a quarterback, I don't
think people thought about this. Dante Moore is probably going
to stay in college, ty Simpson may stay in college.
More and more quarterbacks are going to stay another year
in college. So if you get the opportunity to draft
somebody as talented as Shader, you may want to get
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out of the message business, right Like it used to be,
guys would rush maybe a year early to the NFL
with the nil. Outside of Mendoza, If Dante Moore, ty
Simpson sellers, they all all stay in college. The supply
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doesn't meet the demand. So it just the NFL kind
of got into the message business when you should probably
probably worry more about drafting the best players available that business.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
J Mack with the News.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
No, no, this is the herd line news.
Speaker 8 (19:04):
All right, let's go to that Cowboys vikings game Colin,
very good match away.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
I missed my blazing part.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
Yeah, Dallas obviously needs it badly. At six six and one,
they are unlikely to make the playoffs, just an eleven
percent chance to make the postseason. So it's basically you
got to win out. Dallas needs to win out, and
uh here's Dak Prescott talking about it.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Just gotta go win every game. I mean that's all
I can control. No root against them regardless.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
So so whether we are in this position or not,
I got to control what I can control and go
win games on my hand.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah, this is last week. You did this too. You
talked me out of this game.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
Well, if them being the Eagles obviously in the division,
they want to catch them, I'm sorry for talking to
you out of games.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
I'll just say this. I think Dak became a father.
Is that this year? You know he had the brown.
Speaker 7 (19:56):
He seems so with it at the podium, every time
he talk to the media.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
He just he just really very relaxed.
Speaker 8 (20:02):
I like him, man, I like this.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I think he's a hard guy not to let the problem.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
You know.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
The tough part is is the contract they gave him.
You know, the richest contract in the league.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Well, this is the for the record, this is Buffalo's
would be their primary issue, which is we're paying you know,
Josh Allen's the second biggest cap, Dak's the biggest cap hit.
So it's I'm not saying it makes it easier, but
Dallas is making all sorts of deals.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
Well they're trying, Yeah, they are they shuffling the deck
chairs on the Titanic?
Speaker 8 (20:30):
Well were they making deals to get into the way?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Bought back twenty to twenty two players, So they're like,
we're satisfied. Jerry's like, We're not so. And I also
think you got to give Dak credit. It's a noisy operation.
It's a family business. This is not the easiest place
to be an NFL quarterback.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
Am Cowboys five and a half. So even if they win,
we know the Eagles are not losing to the Raiders, right,
that's not happening, right, So I just don't see where
where they catch that thing.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I agree, it just feels.
Speaker 8 (20:59):
And then you go to the offseason.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
We got the picking stuff, and then we're paying them
three defensive tackles a ton.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Of money, but two first round picks, which you can
very easily because you don't need a quarterback, and you're
getting a pass rush without Micah, you don't have to
get an edge.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I would get a right tackle.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
My guess is Dallas goes right tackle offensive tackle in
the draft in the first round with one of their picks,
and then tries to trade down the other one and
get a bevy of picks.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
I'll argue this all day.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I like Dallas's future if they move those picks, because
they've been a very good first round picking team. Yeah,
I think Dallas is pretty stocked if they can nail
the first two picks at the right positions, right tackle, absolutely.
Speaker 8 (21:39):
I just you'd like to talk about roster strength.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
There's at least seven teams with better rosters in the
NFC than daw at least seven, and then you start
looking at salary cap stuff. It's it feels like a
big mountain to climb, Like, look at the Lions have
way better players than the Cowboys.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
It's not even close. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
I don't want to see town sound too down on Dallas,
butlet's get positive. Let's talk Lions Rams. Huge matchup on
Fox Sunday. Obviously, big history between McVeigh Goff and Stafford.
Both both teams have profited. Obviously, the Rams have the
Super Bowl win, but ahead of this weekend's matchup, McVeigh
spoke to the grossy scene in his former quarterback Jared Goff.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Unbelievable accuracy and anticipation. Jared's played really great, you know,
and I've been truly happy to see, you know, what
he's done and how he's really put that team on
his back and done such.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
A great job of being able to build.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
You know, I've been very open and very clear about
I had a lot of growing up to do.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
You know.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Back when that thing went down, there was a lot
of great memories, a lot of really good ball that
he did here that I'll always cherish, and I'm truly
happy for him.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
It's the It's the best trade for both teams in
the NFL in a long time. Like I I mean,
you can go to any sport. Everybody won with that deal.
The Lions needed a little younger quarterback and lots to
draft capital, and their GM nailed depicts and the Rams
said we need we need a little better in the pocket,
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little more experienced, little bigger arm.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Both hit it out of the park.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
Where are you on this game because six is a
big number for Allion's team, they can come in the
backdoor easily.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Lions defense is struggling, but more problematic, their offense is
not good on third or fourth down. And if you
go on the road against the high powered offense, you
got to pick up first downs, okay, and they're Detroit
is punting more and not moving the change. The problem
with Detroit is are they gonna get the Rams? Are
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gonna get thirteen fourteen possessions because they they're struggling to
extend drives. It's not a lack of talent, it's a
lack of third down conversion.
Speaker 8 (23:46):
It's almost like you're looking at my scream.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
So remember Dan Campbell couldn't get a fourth down to
save his life.
Speaker 8 (23:51):
Back to back weeks.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
He didn't go for fourth down once against Dallas. Is
he in his own head? I don't know, because, like
you said, extending drives are gonna be huge, Colin, And
I'll just add this fifty four percent chance for the
Lions to make the playoffs. Gambler, Dan Campbell, He's gonna
probably go for a few fourth downs here, right. This
is gonna be one of these games where it's like,
oh my gosh, we need we got.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
To have it.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
This has been the year in the NFL, the year
of coordinator value, Eagles, Lions, Bucks, all these high powered offense,
all these just juggernauts. Go look at Tampa's numbers last
year in Detroit's and they didn't go big, broad wide
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search on replacing excellent coordinators who became excellent head coaches.
That is not a knock on the guys who got
the jobs when you lose. Ben Johnson and Liam Cohen
are those guys are great, great offensive guys. So I
mean to me, I start looking around this league, we
always think, oh, it's it's just quarterback with Jared Goff
didn't get worse. They can't pick up first downs on
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third or four. That's not a Jared Goff issue.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
And Ben Johnson currently in the playoff, Liam Cohen currently
in the playoffs, DA Dave can Alice in the mix.
Kellen Moore, Well, the Saints aren't good, but they've been
plucky for the last one.
Speaker 8 (25:09):
That's a that's an interesting theory. All right, final story call,
let's go to Joe Burrow.
Speaker 7 (25:13):
Obviously, the inflammatory comments in Cincinnati this week. Okay, that's
that's a bit of a shocker. They are facing the Ravens.
They are home dogs. But interestingly, after Burrow's comments about
not having fun, Jamar Chase chimed in and he seems
just stunned that these are real comments.
Speaker 8 (25:33):
How much do you think Joe Burrow loves football?
Speaker 10 (25:38):
I thought this is an AI. I'm not Does this
really happen though? They that's real today? Yeah, nothing's wrong
with a little emotion at the end of the day,
especially coming back from injury. The man, the man loves
the game. I think he loves the game from what
I what I've.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Learned from him.
Speaker 10 (25:52):
Also at the end of the day, you know what
I'm saying. So I can't really say what he feels
at the end of the day, but from what I see,
he seems the same every day.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah, Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
This week it had a little Andrew LUCKVI, little Trevor
Lawrence vibe. I don't but I'm going to defend Burrow
because Burrows had to go into rehab multiple times. Rehab
is really hard for all pro athletes. It's a grind
and there's no payoff, so rehab is brutal. If you
have to do it once in your career. I think
Burrough's done it three to four times. Secondly, is the
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organization has failed to protect him. We talk about it
on this show all the time. The offensive line is
the insurance policy. The quarterbacks, the Bentley. You'd never own
a Bentley without an insurance policy. The Bengals have failed
Burrow on the offensive line atrocious six years in a row.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
So this league is not.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
That compliment, not that confusing, not that confounding, not that complicated.
Get a great quarterback, protect great quarterback, and then draft
people who get the other team's quarterback. They have failed
at number two miserably in Cincinnati.
Speaker 8 (27:00):
This is crazy.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
So I'm looking at his career arc. He's played six seasons.
Three of them he's played ten or fewer games. Like
if we would call him Zion Williamson if he had
not gone to a super Bowl. I mean, Joe Burrow
went to the super Bowl in year two, then he
went to the AFC Championship and then nothing.
Speaker 8 (27:17):
I don't know when he's going to get back to
the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Column.
Speaker 7 (27:20):
Like, I'm not saying it's over for Burrow and Cincinnati,
but talk about this, what's their path to success? He
has won eight of his last nine stars.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
That's why I love the Bengals this weekend, everybody's staring
at the record. He wins every time he starts. He's
an incredible winning quarterback. Baltimore's offense is completely broken Cincinnati
last week if not for kind of a fluky pick
six that one that was bad at that to a
flukey play, you maybe have one of those in your career.
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They beat Buffalo at Buffalo in a snow store.
Speaker 7 (27:53):
As a different discussion, yeah, I will ask you. Obviously
the Bengals aren't going to want to entertain a Burrow trade, right,
but could anybody make it moderately interesting? A sweet and
a sick pot of picks players and Bengals.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
He's an Ohio kid. I don't think the Brown family
would listen.
Speaker 8 (28:11):
What if he went to them, because we know he
went to the team and.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
Was unhappy last season, Remember meeting with Zach Taylor after
the game.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
He's pissed.
Speaker 7 (28:18):
What if he does something like that this in the offseason. Guys,
this is not working. We're not going anywhere. Yeah, what's
your game plan? I've said this before.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
If you come out of college and let's say you're
a very talented attorney. You go to Yale, you go
to cal you go to Virginia, great schools, Michigan, and
you're an attorney. You can pick the city you want
to go to in the law firm. The better you
are as an athlete in college, generally you'll get picked
by the worse organization. Joe Burrow got a Carson Palmer.
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Joe Burrow got a bad break. Golf got a good one, right,
not the first year, but Goff got a good woe
Jeff Fisher. I mean, you start mahomes owns is unbelievably
and by the way, Lamar Jordan Love. Sometimes you get
the break.
Speaker 7 (29:05):
Yeah, and then other times you're like Lebron Kevin Durant, Joe.
You get crap franchises and it stinks because in the
NFL you're kind of locked in.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
They get double franchise tag.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Well, even in the NBA. Now, I was talking to
Danny Parkins about this. In the NBA, they make it unfair,
like you have to give up hundreds of millions of
dollars if you leave now the team that drafted you. Right,
so they think, well, it'll keep players in a local market.
But what if that local market has allows the owner
sagging attendance, a bad coach, and a cheap billionaire owner.
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So you're trapped. The NBA says, well, if you stay,
we'll pay us so much more three hundred million. And
that's supposed to be a player's league. Let players go
where they want to go. I understand a team drafting them,
but you should allow players. Stop worrying about protecting billionaires,
protect your talent.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
Yeah, the billionaires have it as socialism.
Speaker 7 (29:55):
Basically, everybody's going to get their guy, they get to
keep them, and you're kind of if you're Joe Burrow,
I feel bad.
Speaker 9 (30:01):
For the guy.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Yeah, that's where I think NBA players get hosed. I mean,
you'd have to give up one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 8 (30:07):
You can kind of make up for that. Another area's marketing,
not one hundred million.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
A lot of guys sell shoes.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
So you want to win and have fun and enjoy
your life for one hundred fifty million, or just get
paid three hundred million.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
To hate life.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Again, it's relative to their industry. I nobody wants to
hear this, but anyway, Jmack with the.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
News, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
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Speaker 1 (30:29):
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Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Jmck and I have talked about this. When you pay
your quarterback what you're paying Josh Allen or you know, uh,
you know, you know that you know the drill mahomes
Josh Allen. It's harder to construct a roster. It's very
hard to draft. You know, all the anonymous trolls on
the internet, they're brilliant drafters. I know these guys. It's hard.
It's really hard to draft. You just don't know, especially
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positions like wide receiver. There were some ego and a
big personality at wide receiver, and you know, some guys
just it doesn't work. You're asking young people to, you know,
come into a sport, travel cross country, different told law offense.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
It's hard.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I think it's much harder than drafting in basketball because
you can spot basketball talent.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I always tell the story.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I was in Hartford, Connecticut watching my daughter play in
a tournament and there was seven eight teams playing at once.
I sit down next to a coach and I said,
who's that girl like four courts away, And he goes, oh, yeah,
she's the best player, like seventh eighth grade girls. He's like,
she's already getting a talk from Division one schools. You
can spot basketball talent in one second. Football it's maturity.
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It's not the biggest, the strongest. It's heart, it's intangibles.
So I think it's hard and I understand that, and
Brett Veach is really good with the Chiefs, but Kansas
City can be officially eliminated this weekend. Should be noted
Tom Brady went healthy, made the playoffs nineteen straight years.
Tom took very favorable team deals. So last week was
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the home game against Texans. It was must win, and
they got worked. And I said on the time at
the time, Houston's got better players. So Kansas City just
doesn't look the part. And this morning I was saying
this to the team. I said, name the top ten
Chiefs players not on resume or legacy, guys who are
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playing at a high level right now. Number one is Mahomes,
Number two is a center Creed Humphrey, and number three
is a corner Trent McDuffie. But the time you get
to the fourth best player, you're saying, well, I mean
Chris Jones is having a down year, or maybe he's old. Well, ha,
Trey Smith is usually good. He's taken a small step back.
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You know, Travis Kelsey's had some drops, but he's been reasonably.
I don't know who the fourth best player is. They
have an offensive tackle issue. Conversely, let's go to a
team that also has an expensive quarterback but a more
team friendly deal, Matt Stafford Rams. Let's go to their
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ten best players, folks. They're all having great years Stafford,
Puka Nakua, Jared Vers, Devonte Adams, Kevin Dotson, Steve Avila.
The guards are great, Kyron Williams, poonah Ford has been unbelievable,
Byron Young, Nate Landman. I didn't mention any of their
good tight ends. They've got safeties. I like, I didn't
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mention any of their safeties. They got two really good safeties.
So my point is, trust your eyes. I don't know
who the Chief's fourth best player is I think carloftis
a little overpaid, big salary cap next year.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
I don't know if I'd be comfortable with it.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
So this is not anti Kansas City. Kareem Hunt isn't
either leading rusher. He was with me out of the
league a couple of years ago. Like, I just don't
think to me, the Rams and the Eagles and the
Packers and the Lions, A lot of these teams who
are also paying their quarterback Jared Goff and Matt Stafford
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Jalen Hurts. You can get around it, but I just
don't like. I trust my eyes. I don't like what
I see with Kansas City. So this is an interesting player.
So this weekend is a This is one of my
blazing five picks. I won't say what side. Denver hosts
Green Bay, and Denver's gonna win this division. Kansas City
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is now third behind Denver and the Chargers. I think
it's fascinating with Bo Nicks. So the Broncos quarterback is
Bo Nicks. He's on a rookie deal. So the Broncos roster,
especially defense, it's pretty stacked. But it's interesting about bo Nicks.
He is twenty one to nine as a starter. And
you could say, well, it's the defense. Well, he's taken
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the fewest sacks during these last two years. That's a skill.
He leads the NFL in game winning drives. Yes, leads
the NFL last two seasons. That's a skill. Okay, he
has the second most fourth quarter touchdown since he entered
the league.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
That's a skill.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
And by the way, this is where I will defend him.
Outside of Mahomes, he also has the most pass attempts.
Sean Payton's hard on his quarterbacks. He's incredibly demanding. It's
a thick playbook. This is not Big Ben when he
came to the NFL out of Miami, Ohio, went to
the Steelers and they were babysitting in for two years
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and letting it dominating defense control the games. You know,
Ben would make seventeen eighteen nineteen throws. They were kind
of babysitting. Again, that's not what this is. This is
here's the playbook, kid, memorize it. We're going to use
all of it Sunday. So there's no babysitting with this kid.
They're asking him to do more and I'm going to
defend those quarterbacks who have to throw it forty five
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times a game. And I feel like with bow Nicks
and people do this. Everybody's made up their mind on
bow Nicks because you saw a lot of them at Oregon,
and you've seen enough of them here, and nobody wants
just to acknowledge he's really good in the fourth He's
got all those things I love. He's durable, he's coachable,
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he's athletic, he's productive in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
He's a winner. Uh.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
He doesn't listen to the noise. You know you're not
on social media. He's one hundred percent team guy. But
I've said, if you love Caleb Williams and Chick, you
gotta like bo Nicks. Both have good rosters, both have
excellent O lines, Both have brilliant offensive coaches. Both have
nice weapons. I like Denver's receivers. I don't care what
(37:10):
anybody says. I love Courtland Sutton. So if you like Caleb,
you gotta like bow Knicks. Both are uneven, both are
very very good in the fourth quarter. Yeah, I hear that, Oh,
Caleb's a superstar Bonnicks I'm out on so far. Great
offensive coach, great O line, defenses that take the ball
(37:31):
away right one's leading a division. One's battling Green Bay
to lead a division. Here's bow Knicks on being underdogs.
Actually at home to Green Bay.
Speaker 11 (37:46):
Seems to be a playoff game, so this will be
an intense game on the field, it'll be an intense environment.
I don't don't really care if my mom thinks will win,
so that's all it matters.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Uh, you know, you can tell he his dad was
a coach. He doesn't take sacks, totally coachable. And again,
Sean Payton's not easy, Sean. You know it's funny about this,
Sean Payton. That's why I say Caleb and bo Nicks
to this point very comparable. Both now were in their
second year. Both can struggle early in games, but both
usually win and deliver late. Both throw occasional interceptions, but
(38:22):
not that many really, But Caleb's got this kind of
fandom behind him. I think bo Nix is really good.
I think bo Nicks is way more athletic than anybody
gives them credit for. And in that draft class, Drake
may has been the absolute, inarguable start. Nobody can push
back on that. But if you like Caleb, it feels
like you gotta like bo Nicks.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
To me.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
In fact, bo Nix has actually been more accurate as
a thrower Blazing five top of the hour. The NFL
schedule for the weekend, it is a very important weekend,
even the games that don't have playoff implications. Minnesota Dallas
is fascinating because what are we going to see from
JJ McCarthy. He just had his best game as a pro.
They need to watch him the next four weeks to
(39:05):
make a decision. What are they going to do with
JJ McCarthy. The Dallas defense doesn't let you run, so
he's gonna have to throw to beat the Cowboys on
the road. So even a game without playoff implications, Dallas
hosting Minnesota, to me, is a very interesting game. Atlanta
won last night, Bucks are reeling. I think it's not
(39:27):
a Blazing five pick. I think Chicago wins this weekend,
but I think it's an entertaining game. I want to
see chador in Caleb Williams, I really do.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
J Mack. I ask you every week, where's the upset
on the board.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
There's going to be a couple of them five double
digits threads. There's there's gonna be an upset on the board.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
I mean there was one.
Speaker 7 (39:48):
Last night Falcons were what five six something like that.
I was looking at the Browns, but I don't think
I can do it. I mean, a weather's bad, Chadeur's
down his start, both tackles right now, and his starting center.
Speaker 8 (39:59):
I don't see that happening.
Speaker 7 (40:01):
I guess if you're begging me to take a dog,
I would kick the tires.
Speaker 8 (40:06):
With the Minnesota Vikings on Sunday Night football. I mean, listen,
I know you're smiling.
Speaker 7 (40:11):
You don't like JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
I stop with you. I don't like JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
The current data leads me to believe he's not a
franchise quarterback.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
We restate that.
Speaker 7 (40:20):
We can restate that. That being said, they won thirty
one nothing. He lit the world on fire. We didn't
even mention the guy all week practically like he had.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
A good game.
Speaker 7 (40:27):
I know it's washed very busy show. Yeah, there is
no time to mention it. I think they'll be frisky.
I like the Miami Dolphins on Monday and yeah getting
three and a half.
Speaker 8 (40:37):
I don't love the three.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
We gotta give Miami credit. We bailed on everything. They
have played their butt off the club. DJ Mike McDaniel
is last week and in New York cold weather, that
game was over an eight minutes. Yeah, lazing five neck
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