Colin Cowherd breaks down another wild week in the NFL! Despite a 7-game winning streak, Colin explains why he’s still concerned about the Denver Broncos and rookie QB Bo Nix after their Thursday Night Football win over the Raiders
He talks about the complete disfunction of the Las Vegas Raiders by them actually pursuing Geno Smith instead of Sam Darnold
This weekend will be a huge game for Minnesota Vikings QB JJ McCarthy
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Blazing five, hitting on a fifty eight percent clip. That's like,
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what mob guys do? I mean? That is really Rowland
fifty eight percent clip, Blazing five in one hour. Urban
Meyer College football talking a couple hours. Well, Jmac, I
know it was windy, oh in Denver. But ten first
downs and eleven penalties not great for your guy, not
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great for bon Knicks. So if Sean Payton is your
head coach, PFF says, you have the best offensive line
in football. It's the Raiders defense. You have two very
capable running backs, good wide receiver court great, I don't know.
Good you gotta do better than ten first downs right now.
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This team has ten more punts this year than Cleveland.
In my opinion, bow Knicks looks nervous. That's why he's
so bad in the first half. It's like he's trying
to please Sean Payton. Feels the weight of the world
on his shoulders. He is nervous, side arming stuff, feels
rushed when he's not rushed, skipping balls out of the
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backfield like I get throws downfield. We're tough last night
for Bold quarterbacks. It was windy. Denver gets that way.
We're moving into the winner. But it shouldn't look like that.
He looks nervous. He looks like he's got a lot
of anxiety. And he only plays well most of this year.
In the fourth quarter, when he trails and has nothing
to lose, he just lets it go. Sean Payton now
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is trying to protect Bonnicks, and so he's making some
odd compensation calls, like that double pass on third and one.
It's just a bad call. Well, Sean Payton didn't get dumb.
He's trying to protect him. He knows that bo Nicks
is not right upstairs. And because this Raider defense hasn't
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made any quarterback look that bad this year. So the
Broncos have one touchdown in their last seventeen drives. They
have more three and outs than the Titans. Yeah, so
I'm dead serious here. Sean Payton is a very impatient guy.
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He also understands the urgency at quarterback, unlike a lot
of coaches in this league. I wonder because the roster,
the O line, set the D line, set the pass
rush the receivers. With Sean Payton draft another quarterback, I'm
dead serious. Bow Knicks has regressed badly. His completion percentage
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is now towing that backup quarterback line from sixty six
and a half to sixty. His passer rating is plummeted
mid nineties to mid eighties. He's going to have more
turnovers this year. Again. He is a significantly worse quarterback
this year than last. And I understand quarterback development is
not linear. I think it was Peyton Manning who suddenly
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had a really bad fourth year in the league. I
get it, you lose a coordinator, you lose an offensive lineman.
But this old line's great, and we thought with bow
Nicks he was one of these high floor, low ceiling guys.
We knew he didn't have like Caleb Williams horsepower, but
he was a high floor guy. At worst, he'd be
like b b Ish. This is the Ish, that old
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line that play caller those running backs. And remember this,
Denver's defense is staggeringly good and aggressive. So bow Nicks
on average is getting much better field position than quarterbacks
in the league. I mean, last night, you're getting really
good field position. So I've gone from a bye to
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a hold to a potential sell on bo Nix. I
got seven straight weeks of this stuff, and that last
night was a problem. And Denver's had an easy schedule.
So now Kansas City comes up off a bye. I
don't care what the number is. Take the Chiefs because
this is a problem that's not getting better. We got
Defcom three here, what's Defcom three increase readiness. I'm I
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really look at this, and I wonder if Sean Payton
is talking to George at GM and saying, you know,
we got a stack roster here. We don't have a
lot of needs. You know, there's like seven quarterbacks in
the first couple of rounds. We may want to roll
the dice on them and sit them behind bow for
a year. I think you're to that point over and
over and over. I mean, if you put Josh Allen Lamar,
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Herbert Holmes, I mean, there's like seven eight quarterbacks golf
behind this group, this coach, this line, look at that
offensive line, you'd be blowing people out. I mean, the
Raiders are a lost franchise. Here's bonecks. After a messy performance.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
You'll win a lot of games to the defense playing
like that. And then tonight we had a little spark
with some special teams plays, and then you know, we
just at some point we got to start moving football,
scoring points. I've been booed before and I'll be booed again,
so I'm not gonna be the last time. It's obviously unfortunately,
you don't want your your own fans booing you, but
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you know it's part of it.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Guy.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I know the wind was bad, it wasn't that bad.
Let's talk Raiders briefly. When you pursue Geno Smith, the
Raiders gave up a third round pick and paid him
sixty six million guaranteed. The Seahawks got Sam Darnel for
no picks he was a free agent, and only pay
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him fifty five million guaranteed. Seattle's John Snyder, really smart,
really good personnel guy. The Raiders they overpaid, over pursued
Geno Smith, who once again leads the NFL in picks.
I mean he can't figure out basic pass protection. It's
it's I mean, it's it's bad. And right now you'll
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be the worst quarterback in the league. The last two years,
Geno Smith has seven more interceptions than the next highest
interception quarterback. So it's one thing to settle at quarterback.
You should never settle at quarterback. It's another to pursue
the wrong one. And I understand sometimes you draft, we're
back and you don't really know how it's going to
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pan out, because it's college football to pro. Geno has
been in the league as long as I've been at Fox.
You got a lot of tape on me. You got
a lot of tape on Geno. You gotta know, after
all these years in the league what a guy is
and what a guy isn't. The smart gms are not
pursuing pursuing surrendering a third round pick the Raiders could
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have had Donald. Nobody in the world thinks Gino's better
than Darnald. So I mean the other thing is brock Powers.
As far as I can tell, I don't have the game.
Film is open on every play. How does he have
one reception? I don't even understand it. So Pete Carroll
had a full year away from football to modernize, to reflect,
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to look in the mirror, to take stock, to evaluate everything,
and he went back to Geno Smith. That ain't good.
I mean, your go at, that's old school Geno Smith
twenty seven picks in the last two years, seven more
than the next guy. So the Raiders have earned fourth
place in the modern NFL. If you are tone deaf
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to quarterback, you're tone deaf to winning. And again, it's
not like Gino didn't have a resume. You didn't need
to go to West Virginia sophomore year to look at film.
You could have gone to last year. And Pete had
a year off to reflect. I offensively, I don't even
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know what the Raiders are. Here's Pete after that's one points.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
Yeah, I mean I agree with you guys, you know,
and it's despa as obviously as you can get.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
The running game would have helped us in that regard,
but Chip was trying.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
He was staying with the.
Speaker 8 (08:44):
Running game to try to not let them te off
on us, and so yeah, we gut score more.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, you never want to settle at quarterback. A lot
of these defensive coaches, they're like, ah, Sam Howe, Mitch Trubisky.
It's another to pursue sixty six million guaranteed in a
third round pick, to pursue Geno who's been in the
league forever and is a turnover machine. So you kind
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of earned your spot in fourth place. Denver's a different story.
Bonix was young. It's college, good rookie year. You think
he's gonna grow. Something's happened. He looks nervous. That's a
different feel. You do feel like, how do they right
the ship? It was so ascending last year. Raiders are
just why how j Mac? We have ourselves a weekend?
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I tell you something. I had this discussion with Danny
Parkins at the network yesterday. Sometimes we in the media,
you know, we get on something, we get really close
to something, and you look at something and maybe we
should take a step back.
Speaker 9 (09:53):
Are you talking about the Raiders and Beef Caroll? I mean, listen,
you kenn of given pet Carroll. There's a veteran coach
who's like we could win. Now, let's bring in Geno Smith.
I mean, this is kind.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
Of a disaster.
Speaker 9 (10:06):
I don't want to say Pete Carroll's won and done
there in Vegas, but Colin, I mean there's a veteran coach.
They look awful, like genuinely bad. People are close to
Pete Carroll, He's well respected of the media. Is he
coaching this team next year?
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I don't know. I mean the Raiders make a lot
of moves. They make a lot. I mean, listen, we
know what is winning in this league, young offensive coaches.
We know what's not winning as much and creating some
angst older defensive coaches, Tomlin, Pete McDermott, right, Like, we
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know young offensive coach Andy Reid's outlier. All these young
offensive coaches, the Ben Johnson's, the Sean mcvays, Kyle Shannan
is still pretty young. That's what's working in the league.
Some of the old defensive coaches like Ron Rivera, Tomlin, Pete,
that's what we're kind of critical of these days. There's
some young defensive coaches Jesse min Or, Mike McDonald and
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Seattle that have kind of a new way of seeing things.
So that's why I've said for the Miami Dolphins, I
would look at Lane Kiffin. These young offensive coaches. You
don't have to love Mike McDaniel and he may not
be the right CEO and cultural fit, but you know,
Mike McDaniel knows offense.
Speaker 9 (11:19):
So the Raiders they need a lot of things. And
that Ashton gent Pick. I don't I can't say anything.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to
know what to make of it. I can't blame him
because the old line's a tragedy.
Speaker 9 (11:33):
I mean, yeah, they're missing Miller, but you know, Jami
or Kinns came into this league, d John Robinson came on.
They're getting the ball in space, they're doing things. Jen
Z's like three yards of carry. I don't see anything
out of him.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah, yeah, the old lines everything on offense. Brock Bowers
is open.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
It wouldn't catch on three targets.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I believe what I know. It's a lot of what
blazing five fifty eight percent? Clip? What the staffs?
Speaker 7 (11:59):
Well, how was it last week?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I forgot last week? A little bumpy?
Speaker 7 (12:02):
Okay, yeah, you know I'm familiar with bumpy.
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Speaker 3 (12:46):
Well what a life it is for Chicago Bear fans.
A winning record, favored at home against the team that
has struggled to score. You know, I was thinking about this.
I'm watching bow Nicks last night, three and out out,
three and out, after watching bow Knicks for the last
eight weeks, after watching Jaden Daniels get hurt for the
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fourth time in a year and a half, after watching
JJ McCarthy in a year and a half have two
good quarters, and watching Pennix in Atlanta struggling to score.
Can we just now say that Drake May of New
England and Caleb Williams of Chicago or the two best
quarterbacks from the twenty twenty four class. They're both. I
mean big playmakers, strong, can make plays with their feet,
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big arms, and big bodies that don't get hurt. Through
eight games with Ben Johnson's let's pull back and look
at the truth, Chicago leads the NFL in big plays.
They are fourth in yards per play, their top five
in total offense. Yeah, some of it's Ben Johnson schemes.
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Some of it's Caleb Williams. And unlike bow Nix, and
I'm watching last night and I'm thinking on like bo Nicks,
who was regressed, what was the one thing I worried
about Caleb? You gotta cut the sacks in half he has.
He's never thrown interceptions. He didn't throw him at USC,
doesn't throw them, didn't throw him last year. He doesn't
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throw interceptions. He holds the ball too long, but he
doesn't turn it over. Passer rating up, sacks down, passing
yards per game up. So he's ascending. And yeah, well, yeah,
it's Ben Johnson. All the great quarterbacks Bradshaw had, nol
Marino had, Shula, Elway has, Shanahan, Stafford's got McVeigh, Akeman
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had Jimmy Johnson, Breeze had Peyton Folks. All the quarterbacks
that succeed in this league have great coaches. There's nobody,
you know from a test tube that just does everything themselves.
Everybody's got a king maker. So if Ben Johnson's is kingmaker,
so be it. But I look at Drake May and
Caleb right now there body. They're thick, they're big, they're playmakers,
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they can move, they throw bad picks. Drake May throws
bad picks and sometimes Caleb operationally gets out of sorts.
But it's like looking at the economy. I'm not an economist,
but the inflation's down, unemployments low, the stock market up
ten and a half percent. You could probably zoom into
sectors and be apocalyptic and panicky, but we have a
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gigantic economy, and from thirty three thousand feet, I think
it's okay. I think it's okay. Right, it's a big
economy that overcame a pandemic. If you pull out on
Caleb yards per play, big plays, rushing, dynamic downfield rows,
pull out. You can look at individual drives, you can
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look at individual throws, but when you pull out. You're like,
that's pretty good numbers. I mean last year to this year,
touchdown more game, almost one hundred yards total yards per game,
rushing's better, passings better, There's clear growth, dynamic results. He
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and Drake may look like those are the two stars.
Here's Ben Johnson on the growth.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
I do think he's getting better every week. There's ups
and there's downs, and some weeks are better than others,
which we knew. But he's a lot better place now
with his process and he was to start the season.
You know that whole the week isn't necessarily smooth sailing always,
but I think that's to be expected with year one
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in a new system. So he's learning and he's spent
a lot of time at it. So I'm very pleased
with his approach. I think we're going to continue to
see him take off here second half the season.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yeah. I mean, it's it's not linear with these young quarterbacks,
but if you have the right cut. Whenever I hear this,
well it's Ben Johnson. Every great quarterback has a Hall
of Fame level coach, and if they don't, the coach
gets fired and they go find one. Mahomes has Andy Reid,
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Andy Reid gets credit to, but it's Mahomes He's pulling
the trigger. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 12 (17:17):
This is the Herd Line news.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
And get back to basics.
Speaker 13 (17:37):
Bounce back by just coming back in the building, getting
back to work and find ways to improve, keep keep
stacking the days, and keep that mindset. They're a good
team obviously, you know to to losses against them last year.
So it's gonna be a test. You know, we know
that it's Monday night football, will be a great atmosphere,
and it's gonna be a test.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
It's gonna be a bounced back week for us.
Speaker 13 (17:56):
And uh you know, like I said, we just got
that mindset to to focus on us and our process
and all the little details and just have that mindset
to go out there, star fast and play our best
ball Monday.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (18:10):
I'm taking Philly no easily. I mean as one of
the bigger matchups of the season at this.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Point, right Philly off a bye. I don't understand the line.
There's a couple of lines. The Colts line. I think
they're going to blow out Atlanta, and I think the
Philadelphia Eagles are the better team here. And I think
last week in the last two weeks have kind of
figured out what they are. Green Bay doesn't know what
they are.
Speaker 7 (18:31):
Well we know. I saw some video.
Speaker 9 (18:34):
Breakdowns of what the Panthers did to Jordan Love, and
essentially they said, hey, we're inviting you, go ahead throw
the deep ball. And Jordan Love's like, fine, I'll do it, and.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
He kept throwing picks. He was not good at all.
Speaker 9 (18:45):
The Eagles are susceptible to the deep ball in the
back end because they've got now that safety. The kid
from Iowa, Cooper dejen is playing in the slot, so
he's not like on the back end. I think there's
some over the top action here for Christian Watson. I
know they're going to mistuck craft underneath Colin. I think
I'd be loath to go against the Packers here. It
will just be in the.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Blaze of five. It will not It's it's gonna be
like about once a week there's a game I want
to watch, and I just I don't like betting a
game when I have more questions than answer answers. And
green Bay is the favorite, and so it's tough to
play Lambeau those standalone games, and they played as poorly
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as they have played in two years. So my my
feeling would be green Bay is going to bounce back
with a very strong performance. I always say, if you
have a good coach and a quarterback and you lay
an egg, you almost always played great the next week.
So that's the number. Hard to bet against. Philadelphia and
close games they've been in so many, and they're so
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good in close games, the Parsons and also green Bay
multiple times this year. It wasn't just Carolina. They tied Dallas,
they lost to Cleveland. It's not like that was a
one off against bad teams. Against bad teams and struggles
take out the Detroit win in Week one. It's still
trying to find their way in week eight, Week nine,
Week ten.
Speaker 9 (20:06):
Micah knows Jalen Hurts very well, knows those tendencies from
the dime in Dallas.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I like packers here.
Speaker 9 (20:13):
All right, let's go to the second story here, Colin,
I don't know what the hell's going on with my
guy brock Perty.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
This is just strange.
Speaker 9 (20:20):
He hasn't played since Week four. They didn't put him
on IR every week. It's like, well I got this
turf toe thing, Colin, I don't know. Listen to Kyle Shanahan,
You tell me if any of this makes sense.
Speaker 11 (20:33):
I think we're definitely being more aggressive with them as
we go this week, more aggressive than.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
That last week.
Speaker 11 (20:38):
And he's definitely getting better each week, head in the
right direction. Stuffn't decided this week where we'd rule them
out or not, Probably do that tomorrow after practice, but
Brock's definitely getting closer.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
So you're confident that we we'll see him again this year.
Speaker 11 (20:50):
Yes, I'm pretty confident you'll see him this year.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Well, would hope? Pretty content? How about this? The offense
has been defined, it's Christian McCaffrey on Mac Jones two.
He trusts Mac Jones. Kyle Shannan's my coach of the
year right now? What and I think this is not
in my blazing five above Shane Steikin, Yeah, Shane Steikin
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has his starters, Shane Steikin has a better roster. Shannan's
got Christian McCaffrey, Trent Williams. Cross your fingers. That defense
shouldn't be close to this good. And I'll tell you
this was almost one of my picks with San Francisco.
The lines now up to four and a half. I
would take San Francisco on this. Remember the Rams have
played a lot of Jags and Saints. This rivalry is
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physical and intense. You go up to the Bay Area,
this is going to be a close, fairly low scoring game.
Speaker 9 (21:43):
Problem is, last time we saw San France against a
good team and that's not Atlanta, that was a Tampa
Bay game. They really struggled, They got destroyed. I think
they lost by two scorers.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
That was in Tampa. There at home on that in Tampa.
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe that if that was yeah, that
was at Tampa, you're right, Yeah, this is at home
against Arrival. Step up in class for the Rams.
Speaker 9 (22:04):
They real quick on the injuries. So Ricky Piersoll, like
I don't nobody knows what's going on. He's buried on
every fantasy roster. People are waiting.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
Why didn't they put him in Rock Purty on ir.
Speaker 9 (22:15):
Those that's showing up roster spots Skyland for five weeks
for guys who aren't even playing or practicing. What is
happening in San Franciso.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
They have so many injuries they didn't make a move
at the trade deadline, meaning they think they're getting guys back,
so they were not desperate they're getting guys back. You know,
it's almost like the Dodgers, where the Dodgers Blake Snell
had like eleven starts. They all they cared about was September.
That's what September and October. I wonder if Kyle's looking
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at this and thinking, listen, I'm not going to bring
guys back at eighty five percent. If we can keep
winning two out of three weeks with this roster, I'm
just we're not going to make a move of the
trade deadline. I want these guys Thanksgiving on and so
they're winning an they're in contention here, They're not on
a three game, four game losing streak. I wonder if
he's like pearsall could play, but he's eighty percent. And
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Shanahan's take is, I want my guys fully healthy for
the last eight games of the year.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
They're hopeful.
Speaker 9 (23:14):
Bryce Huff, who I know we shofted him good rush
a factor for this team because they got nobody that
could touch a quarterback. If you give him me, Stafford
in a clean pocket all day. Niners are cooked. Final
story college football, Now, this one's spicy. You like this guy,
Josh Paid, He's great football.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Josh Pate is excellent.
Speaker 9 (23:32):
So he's doing one of his shows, and at the
very end he just tosses this in, saying, Hey, all
these interesting openings in college football, keep an eye on
Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
When Zach told me this.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I'm like, come on, is this Josh Pate is as
connected as anybody in the sport?
Speaker 9 (23:51):
Okay, So who's bending over backwards to proby Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Out of Well? First of all, unlike Brian Kelly, he's
not old and grumpy, okay. Does he fit culturally at LSU? Well,
he's a good offensive coach? Okay, so was Brian Kelly. Well,
old and grumpy doesn't necessarily want to put the time
into recruit so okay.
Speaker 9 (24:10):
So Lincoln Riley maybe, Okay? Does he fit at Penn State?
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Well? Fit? It's same conference here When I saw that, Well,
first of all, I trust Josh implicity, I'm not so.
My take on this is USC has gotten, has spent
a lot of money in nil a lot of money
in facilities, a lot of money on the staff, a
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lot of money on the GM, and this roster has
very few elite players, very few. They're just now waking
up to the fact that LA actually has really good athletes.
They didn't recruit it for four years. So I think
there's some discomfort the fact that they're sub five hundred
on the road and many of their losses are to
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Maryland and Minnesota. And then you know, last year an
average Michigan team in illinoy and I'll I'll be honest,
if Penn State came and said, boom, here's the check
and USC didn't have to pay in some sort of buyout,
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could possibly at the end of the year if they
get clobbered by Oregon and it does they lose a
you know, the last game. I don't know. All i'ms
I'm not making. What I'm saying is Josh Pace is
well connected. There's not a lot of guys out there.
If Lane Kiffen takes an NFL job or stays at
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Old Miss and doesn't go you tell me the Vanderbilt
guy everybody loved, but really Barkley, he's amazing.
Speaker 9 (25:45):
Oh okay, amazing, Okay, so my day. So I've been
in this long enough. You know, in the media, you
get fed stuff. You got people talking to you when
I say stuff here on the show that's.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
You know, forward thinking people could.
Speaker 9 (25:56):
Say, oh, I listened to his pod. I listened to
the show closely. I know where j Max getting that from.
I don't know Josh as well as you do, but
I'll just say this. If I'm Lincoln Riley and I'm
watching all these buyouts happen around.
Speaker 7 (26:07):
College football, I'm in his camp.
Speaker 9 (26:09):
I'm floating this, Hey keep Lincoln's name out there in case,
like you said, they get smashed by Oregon and the
USC boosters say this is not good enough, let's buy
him out. Let's I think this is Lincoln Riley, his
camp hedging his bet.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
They're not dissatisfied with Lincoln.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
Well, if they get smashed by Oregon by thirty.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yes, then I think you look in the mirror and
go four years in. What are we? That's what I've
said with USC. What's the there there? I know he's smart.
I compare him to Matt Lafleur. I know he's young, smart,
good play caller, liked by players. I don't know if
the CEO thing is perfect. I kind of feel both
get prickly. They can be a little defensive, but I
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know they're both smart and capable. Matt Lafleur would be
on the job market and fired. In a minute, he'd
get a job. Lincoln Riley would get hired in a minute.
He's he has done an unbelievable Offensively, they don't have
their they're using a walk on running back, a walk
on on the offensive line. They really are. They've got
some nice receivers and a good left tackle, but they're
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young everywhere, and their star right now is a former
UNLV quarterback and a walk on running back. So I
think he's a really good coach. But they spent a
lot of money in this program, and everybody at USC
they kind of look down at Oregon still. They're like,
it's Oregon.
Speaker 9 (27:26):
You know, the USC booster crowd is a little nutty.
I mean the college football the well I think always.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
I mean, when you're writing five million dollar shecks, is
it nutty or demanding? Well were they before.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
Lincoln Riley got here?
Speaker 14 (27:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
I think he's done a pretty damn good job.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
If they had beaten Illinois and they had their chance
go either way game at the end, had they beaten Illinois,
I don't think you'd hear these rumors, but I do.
Speaker 9 (27:51):
Think they wouldn't move off him. I'll just say this.
He's not Jim Harbaugh, obviously, but with Jim Harbor.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I wouldn't move off him either.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
Multiple years people were like, get him out of here.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
No, I wouldn't move off of me. Just be patient.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I'm the Brian Kelly thing. I got grumpy, weird fit,
didn't want to recruit older.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
He lost the team.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, Lincoln's young. I don't see him as grumpy, little defensive.
He's young, he's smart. He's on the right side of
the ball. What he has done to Jaden may Ava. Yeah,
it's unbelievable.
Speaker 10 (28:22):
That kid.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Two years ago, I watched him at UNLV and I'm like,
what is Lincoln seeing that guy? I think he looks
like a pro. He does look like a pro because
a Lincoln. Yeah. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. That's
the herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Yes man, I got stuff today, Blazing five, Top of
the Show, bounce back week, so very very interesting game.
Minnesota hosts Baltimore. Lamar Jackson owns the NFC. But over
the next month, starting this Sunday, the truth is going
to come out on JJ McCarthy. No more handholding Baltimore, Chicago,
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Green Bay, Seattle can all score points. There's gonna be
some shootouts, and they're gonna need thirty points a game,
twenty eight thirty points a game to win games. So
so far this year JJ McCarthy, I mean, if if
you kind of almost look at the career thing, it's
it's two good quarters of twelve. Okay, if you take
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the two good quarters out, he has a thirty seven
passer rating and is completing fifty three percent of his throws.
Two good quarters of twelve this year. That's not that's
not great. He was the one quarterback in the twenty
twenty four class. I didn't buy. There was nothing personal,
but I have to see in college a wow trait.
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That's why I like Kyler Murray. I'm like, I've never
seen a guy move like that, size are athletic ability.
I gotta get a wow trade. You can't tell me
he's a winner. What does that mean. That's like if
I'm trying to hire your son or daughter and I
ask you as a parent about him, and you're like, well,
they're a good kid. Well you're their parents. I would
(30:07):
hope they're a good kid. You got to give me
a resume. Where do they go to school? What is
their skill set? What have they done? I got twelve quarters,
two good ones, you know I. And here's the thing,
if you go to his quarterback class in college. I
looked it up. Pennix, Caleb, Jayden Daniels, Bonnick straight May
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averaged over three hundred yards a game they carried their teammates.
JJ McCarthy averaged one hundred and ninety nine yards. He
was carried by Michigan. So his college career did not
set him up for the NFL reality, which is you
don't have the best O line, the best coach, the
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best run game, the best defense, and the best field position.
So and people say, well, Colin, he'll make one or
two spectacular throws a game. That's like being a comedian.
One or two jokes that land does not make a
great set, Right. You gotta be funny for twenty five minutes.
You gotta do a Bill Burr like you gotta be
You gotta stand on stage for forty five minutes and
(31:09):
ninety percent of it is really really funny. Then you're
a franchise comedian. It can't be a couple of good jokes.
So I don't see the wow in twenty five games,
he's he's played three. I don't know what to make
of it. This morning the staffs, I said, give me
the total quarters twelve? How many are good too? That's
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not a good hit rate. I don't know what to
do with it. So he plays the Ravens. I look
at the schedule, Baltimore, Chicago, Green Bay, Seattle. There are
some offenses there. Lamar Caleb, Jordan loves Sam Darnold. You
gotta put some points up. Here's Kevin O'Connell. I mean,
two of twelve's not even a good batting average. I mean,
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here's Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 14 (31:56):
I've always thought JJ is a very very high level
prossessor of information. I think the way I would equate
it to it would be like, you know, if you're
a high level chef making a meal. You know, we
try to put the ingredients out on the counter and
then leave the instructions right next to the ingredients, and
then potentially, you know, have up until fifteen seconds to
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help guide the crafting of that meal.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
That's how we try to do it.
Speaker 14 (32:24):
So it's not just show up to the stadium and
figure it out all on your own.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
You know I like the ingredients. I got no problem
with the ingredients. It's the chef. I don't know if
can bring it home. Like I said, left tackle, Star
Receivers head coach, I love the ingredients. Defensive coordinator Brian Flores,
I'd hire him in a heartbeat. I love all the ingredients,
but you got to make that land on my plate.
(32:51):
I don't see it. We got blazing five. Top of
next hour, Mike Sandals got a fascinating piece, Mayor to
put my tinfoil hat on with Lebron James. See that. Suddenly,
Lebron James, Siatica is all hels. This is very interesting.
(33:12):
My back is suddenly healed.
Speaker 9 (33:14):
After a great lucas it happens to us old guys.
Come on, you know that A good night's sleep and
your back is fine.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Siatica can't get out of bed. Luca drops thirty five.
I'm ready to go.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
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Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, USC is gonna beat Northwestern and Iowa. It all
comes down to that Oregon game. And to your point,
us he views themselves as and they're spending money like
Ohio State is and Texas they're spending big money on
facilities and the staff and the nil. It's that Oregon game.
It's one thing, you know, it's one thing to lose
it Notre Dame. The alumni is okay with that, and
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it's another thing. It's a battle with Oregon. But if
you go down there and get baked in Eugene after
losing to Illinois, and you look up four years in
and you're like, our record's kind of the same as
Clay Hilton. Now we know Lincoln's better than Clay Helton.
He develops players better, but it's a lot of the
same stuff. Recruiting's not as powerful as it should be.
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That was a Clay Hilton problem. It's a Lincoln issue.
Everybody's like, oh, next year's class is great. Well, let's
just see it's the nil world. Guys leave all the time.
Speaker 9 (34:39):
Indiana went into Oregon and had a pretty convincing win. Excellent,
you need to show up. I like USC tonight. I
think it's fourteen and a half. They're a very good
home team. But it's the story.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Josh Pate like, there's keep your eye on Penn State
maybe it's just out there through an agent to cool
the heat on Lincoln. I like Lincoln. He's my Matt Lafleur.
I know he's smart. I know he knows quarterbacks. I
know he's a really bright guy. Some of the CEO
stuff a little prickly. Sometimes I doubt the worldview on
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the program. Where's the they're there with the packers.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
And remember when he was at Oklahoma.
Speaker 9 (35:15):
There's not that massive spotlight at USC much bigger spotlight,
big Den. I think you got to give these guys time.
I agree, I'm with you. I'm defended Dabbo and all
these guys. He won eleven games every year at Oklahoma.
I don't know that I can go defend Dabbo. But
that's another story, all right.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Well, you know there's a lot of talk trade deadline
week criticizing teams that were too aggressive, like Indianapolis, and
I was thinking about Jalen Phillips. Good player goes from
spiraling out of control Miami to Philadelphia. Sauce Gardner goes
(35:53):
from the abysmal hapless Jets to the Colts. Rashid Shaheed
hooks back up with his offive coordinator in New Orleans,
goes from the lost woeful Saints to the Seahawks. I
think all three players are going to crush. And it's
three of my favorite gms Howie Roseman, Chris Ballard, John
Snyder great gms. So when people say they say this
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a lot, well, you gave up too much, be careful.
First of all, Philly needed an edge rusher. They're like
bottom six in sacks, bottom seven in sacks. The Colts
needed a corner. Look at the Colts schedule in the
next five weeks they need They're facing a lot of
number one receivers. They need an elite corner. In Seattle.
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Too much of their offense through the air was JSN.
They needed another perimeter weapon. But when people say, oh,
you gave up this first round picks. So instead of
just crossing your fingers and hoping next year the first
rounders play, let's go back to this pass first round.
Two players in the first round are crushing playmakers today.
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Two of thirty two Tyler Warren, who Chris Ballard drafted
tight end Colts all pro level tight end, and a
Mecca Abuka wide receiver Tampa Productive Dynamic. They are professional
football players and high end players. Two of thirty two
in the first round. There's another six six, seven guys
(37:25):
who are good. They're not Sauce Gardner or Jalen Phillips productive.
So again, windows close very quickly in professional football. Strike
when the iron is hot is a term used in
every industry. And I look at Rashid Shaheed and Jalen
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Phillips and Sauce Gardner. All of those guys fill a
small hole on good rosters. Somebody told me this years ago.
They're like, everybody loves draft picks, but if you have
a really good roster, like the Philadelphia Eagles, how many
spots are available in the draft? I mean, you're the Colts,
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how many guys can you draft? Tyler Warren hits the
only I mean, there's only two or three spots that
a second third rounder could even make. That that's why
they gave up first round picks. Philly, Seattle and Indy
have three of the top six rosters in the sport.
And if you like your quarterback, and all of them
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apparently do, all right, you give up first round picks.
So I like aggressive gms, maybe to a fault. Here's
Jalen Phillips. I'm going from Miami to Philly.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
I thought I was excited at day one.
Speaker 13 (38:42):
I mean, talk to me now, like this is literally
the greatest thing that's happened to me in my whole life.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
Probably.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
I mean, it's like a workplace transfer. It's unbelievable. I
will defend those gms. I want to throw this out there.
I don't want to go too deep into it. I'm
not going to put on a ten fold hat. But
you're a Lebron guy a little bit J mac So. Wednesday,
report surfaces Lebron's not making the five game Roadie, that
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psiatica nerve is very temperamental. And then that night Luca
has one of his games of the year, Wemby gets steimied.
JJ Reddick looks like a genius. And the next morning
the report comes out the sciatica nerve, what psiatica nerve?
(39:32):
Feel like a million dollars. I read the story yesterday
Lebron has now been cleared for contact and then made
sure that story made the news. That's made sure that
story made the La Times. They got out there for
the press. Kind of felt a little intentional, is all
I'm saying.
Speaker 9 (39:50):
Look at me, maybe so is that Lebron he's gonna
rush back.
Speaker 7 (39:55):
Now, what are you going to say?
Speaker 3 (39:56):
The tinfoil hat on Lebron is very inten tensional. Stuff
gets out because his camp wants it out. Luke on
a heater beat the Red Hot Spurs. Honestly, Aiden's playing great, Luca.
They did it without Austin Reeves and Lebron. Lebron just
make sure the old Sciantica nothing just a little achy breaky,
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it's all healed up. I don't know. I just think
here's Rachel Nichols on the Lebron fitting in with the Lakers.
Speaker 8 (40:32):
I think now he's really on board with being on
this team right now and letting what happens next year be,
you know, next summer to sort of thing. But look,
Lebron has a gravity in the locker room, in any
room he's in. I always compare him to Jupiter. Jupiter
has two and a half times the gravity of Earth.
Lebron has two and a half times the gravity of
anyone else in that locker room. So when he's in
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the locker room actively on the court, he is such
a huge presence. That's not Lebron's fault. He doesn't do
anything disruptive. It's just that he's different.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
I am not wearing a tinfoil hat. It just felt
like it was an intentional report after a glorious win
at home over the Spurs. Hey, this is how journalism works.
You've got a probe. Love it The Blazing Five
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(00:47):
what mob guys do? I mean? That is really Rowland
fifty eight percent clip, Blazing five in one hour. Urban
Meyer College football talking a couple hours. Well, Jmac, I
know it was windy, oh in Denver. But ten first
downs and eleven penalties not great for your guy, not
(01:11):
great for bon Knicks. So if Sean Payton is your
head coach, PFF says, you have the best offensive line
in football. It's the Raiders defense. You have two very
capable running backs, good wide receiver court great, I don't know.
Good you gotta do better than ten first downs right now.
(01:32):
This team has ten more punts this year than Cleveland.
In my opinion, bow Knicks looks nervous. That's why he's
so bad in the first half. It's like he's trying
to please Sean Payton. Feels the weight of the world
on his shoulders. He is nervous, side arming stuff, feels
rushed when he's not rushed, skipping balls out of the
(01:54):
backfield like I get throws downfield. We're tough last night
for Bold quarterbacks. It was windy. Denver gets that way.
We're moving into the winner. But it shouldn't look like that.
He looks nervous. He looks like he's got a lot
of anxiety. And he only plays well most of this year.
In the fourth quarter, when he trails and has nothing
to lose, he just lets it go. Sean Payton now
(02:15):
is trying to protect Bonnicks, and so he's making some
odd compensation calls, like that double pass on third and one.
It's just a bad call. Well, Sean Payton didn't get dumb.
He's trying to protect him. He knows that bo Nicks
is not right upstairs. And because this Raider defense hasn't
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made any quarterback look that bad this year. So the
Broncos have one touchdown in their last seventeen drives. They
have more three and outs than the Titans. Yeah, so
I'm dead serious here. Sean Payton is a very impatient guy.
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He also understands the urgency at quarterback, unlike a lot
of coaches in this league. I wonder because the roster,
the O line, set the D line, set the pass
rush the receivers. With Sean Payton draft another quarterback, I'm
dead serious. Bow Knicks has regressed badly. His completion percentage
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is now towing that backup quarterback line from sixty six
and a half to sixty. His passer rating is plummeted
mid nineties to mid eighties. He's going to have more
turnovers this year. Again. He is a significantly worse quarterback
this year than last. And I understand quarterback development is
not linear. I think it was Peyton Manning who suddenly
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had a really bad fourth year in the league. I
get it, you lose a coordinator, you lose an offensive lineman.
But this old line's great, and we thought with bow
Nicks he was one of these high floor, low ceiling guys.
We knew he didn't have like Caleb Williams horsepower, but
he was a high floor guy. At worst, he'd be
like b b Ish. This is the Ish, that old
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line that play caller those running backs. And remember this,
Denver's defense is staggeringly good and aggressive. So bow Nicks
on average is getting much better field position than quarterbacks
in the league. I mean, last night, you're getting really
good field position. So I've gone from a bye to
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a hold to a potential sell on bo Nix. I
got seven straight weeks of this stuff, and that last
night was a problem. And Denver's had an easy schedule.
So now Kansas City comes up off a bye. I
don't care what the number is. Take the Chiefs because
this is a problem that's not getting better. We got
Defcom three here, what's Defcom three increase readiness. I'm I
(04:52):
really look at this, and I wonder if Sean Payton
is talking to George at GM and saying, you know,
we got a stack roster here. We don't have a
lot of needs. You know, there's like seven quarterbacks in
the first couple of rounds. We may want to roll
the dice on them and sit them behind bow for
a year. I think you're to that point over and
over and over. I mean, if you put Josh Allen Lamar,
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Herbert Holmes, I mean, there's like seven eight quarterbacks golf
behind this group, this coach, this line, look at that
offensive line, you'd be blowing people out. I mean, the
Raiders are a lost franchise. Here's bonecks. After a messy performance.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
You'll win a lot of games to the defense playing
like that. And then tonight we had a little spark
with some special teams plays, and then you know, we
just at some point we got to start moving football,
scoring points. I've been booed before and I'll be booed again,
so I'm not gonna be the last time. It's obviously unfortunately,
you don't want your your own fans booing you, but
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you know it's part of it.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Guy.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I know the wind was bad, it wasn't that bad.
Let's talk Raiders briefly. When you pursue Geno Smith, the
Raiders gave up a third round pick and paid him
sixty six million guaranteed. The Seahawks got Sam Darnel for
no picks he was a free agent, and only pay
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him fifty five million guaranteed. Seattle's John Snyder, really smart,
really good personnel guy. The Raiders they overpaid, over pursued
Geno Smith, who once again leads the NFL in picks.
I mean he can't figure out basic pass protection. It's
it's I mean, it's it's bad. And right now you'll
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be the worst quarterback in the league. The last two years,
Geno Smith has seven more interceptions than the next highest
interception quarterback. So it's one thing to settle at quarterback.
You should never settle at quarterback. It's another to pursue
the wrong one. And I understand sometimes you draft, we're
back and you don't really know how it's going to
(07:02):
pan out, because it's college football to pro. Geno has
been in the league as long as I've been at Fox.
You got a lot of tape on me. You got
a lot of tape on Geno. You gotta know, after
all these years in the league what a guy is
and what a guy isn't. The smart gms are not
pursuing pursuing surrendering a third round pick the Raiders could
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have had Donald. Nobody in the world thinks Gino's better
than Darnald. So I mean the other thing is brock Powers.
As far as I can tell, I don't have the game.
Film is open on every play. How does he have
one reception? I don't even understand it. So Pete Carroll
had a full year away from football to modernize, to reflect,
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to look in the mirror, to take stock, to evaluate everything,
and he went back to Geno Smith. That ain't good.
I mean, your go at, that's old school Geno Smith
twenty seven picks in the last two years, seven more
than the next guy. So the Raiders have earned fourth
place in the modern NFL. If you are tone deaf
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to quarterback, you're tone deaf to winning. And again, it's
not like Gino didn't have a resume. You didn't need
to go to West Virginia sophomore year to look at film.
You could have gone to last year. And Pete had
a year off to reflect. I offensively, I don't even
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know what the Raiders are. Here's Pete after that's one points.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
Yeah, I mean I agree with you guys, you know,
and it's despa as obviously as you can get.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
The running game would have helped us in that regard,
but Chip was trying.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
He was staying with the.
Speaker 8 (08:44):
Running game to try to not let them te off
on us, and so yeah, we gut score more.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, you never want to settle at quarterback. A lot
of these defensive coaches, they're like, ah, Sam Howe, Mitch Trubisky.
It's another to pursue sixty six million guaranteed in a
third round pick, to pursue Geno who's been in the
league forever and is a turnover machine. So you kind
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of earned your spot in fourth place. Denver's a different story.
Bonix was young. It's college, good rookie year. You think
he's gonna grow. Something's happened. He looks nervous. That's a
different feel. You do feel like, how do they right
the ship? It was so ascending last year. Raiders are
just why how j Mac? We have ourselves a weekend?
(09:40):
I tell you something. I had this discussion with Danny
Parkins at the network yesterday. Sometimes we in the media,
you know, we get on something, we get really close
to something, and you look at something and maybe we
should take a step back.
Speaker 9 (09:53):
Are you talking about the Raiders and Beef Caroll? I mean, listen,
you kenn of given pet Carroll. There's a veteran coach
who's like we could win. Now, let's bring in Geno Smith.
I mean, this is kind.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
Of a disaster.
Speaker 9 (10:06):
I don't want to say Pete Carroll's won and done
there in Vegas, but Colin, I mean there's a veteran coach.
They look awful, like genuinely bad. People are close to
Pete Carroll, He's well respected of the media. Is he
coaching this team next year?
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I don't know. I mean the Raiders make a lot
of moves. They make a lot. I mean, listen, we
know what is winning in this league, young offensive coaches.
We know what's not winning as much and creating some
angst older defensive coaches, Tomlin, Pete McDermott, right, Like, we
(10:40):
know young offensive coach Andy Reid's outlier. All these young
offensive coaches, the Ben Johnson's, the Sean mcvays, Kyle Shannan
is still pretty young. That's what's working in the league.
Some of the old defensive coaches like Ron Rivera, Tomlin, Pete,
that's what we're kind of critical of these days. There's
some young defensive coaches Jesse min Or, Mike McDonald and
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Seattle that have kind of a new way of seeing things.
So that's why I've said for the Miami Dolphins, I
would look at Lane Kiffin. These young offensive coaches. You
don't have to love Mike McDaniel and he may not
be the right CEO and cultural fit, but you know,
Mike McDaniel knows offense.
Speaker 9 (11:19):
So the Raiders they need a lot of things. And
that Ashton gent Pick. I don't I can't say anything.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to
know what to make of it. I can't blame him
because the old line's a tragedy.
Speaker 9 (11:33):
I mean, yeah, they're missing Miller, but you know, Jami
or Kinns came into this league, d John Robinson came on.
They're getting the ball in space, they're doing things. Jen
Z's like three yards of carry. I don't see anything
out of him.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah, yeah, the old lines everything on offense. Brock Bowers
is open.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
It wouldn't catch on three targets.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I believe what I know. It's a lot of what
blazing five fifty eight percent? Clip? What the staffs?
Speaker 7 (11:59):
Well, how was it last week?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I forgot last week? A little bumpy?
Speaker 7 (12:02):
Okay, yeah, you know I'm familiar with bumpy.
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Speaker 3 (12:46):
Well what a life it is for Chicago Bear fans.
A winning record, favored at home against the team that
has struggled to score. You know, I was thinking about this.
I'm watching bow Nicks last night, three and out out,
three and out, after watching bow Knicks for the last
eight weeks, after watching Jaden Daniels get hurt for the
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fourth time in a year and a half, after watching
JJ McCarthy in a year and a half have two
good quarters, and watching Pennix in Atlanta struggling to score.
Can we just now say that Drake May of New
England and Caleb Williams of Chicago or the two best
quarterbacks from the twenty twenty four class. They're both. I
mean big playmakers, strong, can make plays with their feet,
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big arms, and big bodies that don't get hurt. Through
eight games with Ben Johnson's let's pull back and look
at the truth, Chicago leads the NFL in big plays.
They are fourth in yards per play, their top five
in total offense. Yeah, some of it's Ben Johnson schemes.
(13:53):
Some of it's Caleb Williams. And unlike bow Nix, and
I'm watching last night and I'm thinking on like bo Nicks,
who was regressed, what was the one thing I worried
about Caleb? You gotta cut the sacks in half he has.
He's never thrown interceptions. He didn't throw him at USC,
doesn't throw them, didn't throw him last year. He doesn't
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throw interceptions. He holds the ball too long, but he
doesn't turn it over. Passer rating up, sacks down, passing
yards per game up. So he's ascending. And yeah, well, yeah,
it's Ben Johnson. All the great quarterbacks Bradshaw had, nol
Marino had, Shula, Elway has, Shanahan, Stafford's got McVeigh, Akeman
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had Jimmy Johnson, Breeze had Peyton Folks. All the quarterbacks
that succeed in this league have great coaches. There's nobody,
you know from a test tube that just does everything themselves.
Everybody's got a king maker. So if Ben Johnson's is kingmaker,
so be it. But I look at Drake May and
Caleb right now there body. They're thick, they're big, they're playmakers,
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they can move, they throw bad picks. Drake May throws
bad picks and sometimes Caleb operationally gets out of sorts.
But it's like looking at the economy. I'm not an economist,
but the inflation's down, unemployments low, the stock market up
ten and a half percent. You could probably zoom into
sectors and be apocalyptic and panicky, but we have a
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gigantic economy, and from thirty three thousand feet, I think
it's okay. I think it's okay. Right, it's a big
economy that overcame a pandemic. If you pull out on
Caleb yards per play, big plays, rushing, dynamic downfield rows,
pull out. You can look at individual drives, you can
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look at individual throws, but when you pull out. You're like,
that's pretty good numbers. I mean last year to this year,
touchdown more game, almost one hundred yards total yards per game,
rushing's better, passings better, There's clear growth, dynamic results. He
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and Drake may look like those are the two stars.
Here's Ben Johnson on the growth.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
I do think he's getting better every week. There's ups
and there's downs, and some weeks are better than others,
which we knew. But he's a lot better place now
with his process and he was to start the season.
You know that whole the week isn't necessarily smooth sailing always,
but I think that's to be expected with year one
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in a new system. So he's learning and he's spent
a lot of time at it. So I'm very pleased
with his approach. I think we're going to continue to
see him take off here second half the season.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yeah. I mean, it's it's not linear with these young quarterbacks,
but if you have the right cut. Whenever I hear this,
well it's Ben Johnson. Every great quarterback has a Hall
of Fame level coach, and if they don't, the coach
gets fired and they go find one. Mahomes has Andy Reid,
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Andy Reid gets credit to, but it's Mahomes He's pulling
the trigger. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 12 (17:17):
This is the Herd Line news.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
And get back to basics.
Speaker 13 (17:37):
Bounce back by just coming back in the building, getting
back to work and find ways to improve, keep keep
stacking the days, and keep that mindset. They're a good
team obviously, you know to to losses against them last year.
So it's gonna be a test. You know, we know
that it's Monday night football, will be a great atmosphere,
and it's gonna be a test.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
It's gonna be a bounced back week for us.
Speaker 13 (17:56):
And uh you know, like I said, we just got
that mindset to to focus on us and our process
and all the little details and just have that mindset
to go out there, star fast and play our best
ball Monday.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (18:10):
I'm taking Philly no easily. I mean as one of
the bigger matchups of the season at this.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Point, right Philly off a bye. I don't understand the line.
There's a couple of lines. The Colts line. I think
they're going to blow out Atlanta, and I think the
Philadelphia Eagles are the better team here. And I think
last week in the last two weeks have kind of
figured out what they are. Green Bay doesn't know what
they are.
Speaker 7 (18:31):
Well we know. I saw some video.
Speaker 9 (18:34):
Breakdowns of what the Panthers did to Jordan Love, and
essentially they said, hey, we're inviting you, go ahead throw
the deep ball. And Jordan Love's like, fine, I'll do it, and.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
He kept throwing picks. He was not good at all.
Speaker 9 (18:45):
The Eagles are susceptible to the deep ball in the
back end because they've got now that safety. The kid
from Iowa, Cooper dejen is playing in the slot, so
he's not like on the back end. I think there's
some over the top action here for Christian Watson. I
know they're going to mistuck craft underneath Colin. I think
I'd be loath to go against the Packers here. It
will just be in the.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Blaze of five. It will not It's it's gonna be
like about once a week there's a game I want
to watch, and I just I don't like betting a
game when I have more questions than answer answers. And
green Bay is the favorite, and so it's tough to
play Lambeau those standalone games, and they played as poorly
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as they have played in two years. So my my
feeling would be green Bay is going to bounce back
with a very strong performance. I always say, if you
have a good coach and a quarterback and you lay
an egg, you almost always played great the next week.
So that's the number. Hard to bet against. Philadelphia and
close games they've been in so many, and they're so
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good in close games, the Parsons and also green Bay
multiple times this year. It wasn't just Carolina. They tied Dallas,
they lost to Cleveland. It's not like that was a
one off against bad teams. Against bad teams and struggles
take out the Detroit win in Week one. It's still
trying to find their way in week eight, Week nine,
Week ten.
Speaker 9 (20:06):
Micah knows Jalen Hurts very well, knows those tendencies from
the dime in Dallas.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I like packers here.
Speaker 9 (20:13):
All right, let's go to the second story here, Colin,
I don't know what the hell's going on with my
guy brock Perty.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
This is just strange.
Speaker 9 (20:20):
He hasn't played since Week four. They didn't put him
on IR every week. It's like, well I got this
turf toe thing, Colin, I don't know. Listen to Kyle Shanahan,
You tell me if any of this makes sense.
Speaker 11 (20:33):
I think we're definitely being more aggressive with them as
we go this week, more aggressive than.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
That last week.
Speaker 11 (20:38):
And he's definitely getting better each week, head in the
right direction. Stuffn't decided this week where we'd rule them
out or not, Probably do that tomorrow after practice, but
Brock's definitely getting closer.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
So you're confident that we we'll see him again this year.
Speaker 11 (20:50):
Yes, I'm pretty confident you'll see him this year.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Well, would hope? Pretty content? How about this? The offense
has been defined, it's Christian McCaffrey on Mac Jones two.
He trusts Mac Jones. Kyle Shannan's my coach of the
year right now? What and I think this is not
in my blazing five above Shane Steikin, Yeah, Shane Steikin
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has his starters, Shane Steikin has a better roster. Shannan's
got Christian McCaffrey, Trent Williams. Cross your fingers. That defense
shouldn't be close to this good. And I'll tell you
this was almost one of my picks with San Francisco.
The lines now up to four and a half. I
would take San Francisco on this. Remember the Rams have
played a lot of Jags and Saints. This rivalry is
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physical and intense. You go up to the Bay Area,
this is going to be a close, fairly low scoring game.
Speaker 9 (21:43):
Problem is, last time we saw San France against a
good team and that's not Atlanta, that was a Tampa
Bay game. They really struggled, They got destroyed. I think
they lost by two scorers.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
That was in Tampa. There at home on that in Tampa.
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe that if that was yeah, that
was at Tampa, you're right, Yeah, this is at home
against Arrival. Step up in class for the Rams.
Speaker 9 (22:04):
They real quick on the injuries. So Ricky Piersoll, like
I don't nobody knows what's going on. He's buried on
every fantasy roster. People are waiting.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
Why didn't they put him in Rock Purty on ir.
Speaker 9 (22:15):
Those that's showing up roster spots Skyland for five weeks
for guys who aren't even playing or practicing. What is
happening in San Franciso.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
They have so many injuries they didn't make a move
at the trade deadline, meaning they think they're getting guys back,
so they were not desperate they're getting guys back. You know,
it's almost like the Dodgers, where the Dodgers Blake Snell
had like eleven starts. They all they cared about was September.
That's what September and October. I wonder if Kyle's looking
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at this and thinking, listen, I'm not going to bring
guys back at eighty five percent. If we can keep
winning two out of three weeks with this roster, I'm
just we're not going to make a move of the
trade deadline. I want these guys Thanksgiving on and so
they're winning an they're in contention here, They're not on
a three game, four game losing streak. I wonder if
he's like pearsall could play, but he's eighty percent. And
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Shanahan's take is, I want my guys fully healthy for
the last eight games of the year.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
They're hopeful.
Speaker 9 (23:14):
Bryce Huff, who I know we shofted him good rush
a factor for this team because they got nobody that
could touch a quarterback. If you give him me, Stafford
in a clean pocket all day. Niners are cooked. Final
story college football, Now, this one's spicy. You like this guy,
Josh Paid, He's great football.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Josh Pate is excellent.
Speaker 9 (23:32):
So he's doing one of his shows, and at the
very end he just tosses this in, saying, Hey, all
these interesting openings in college football, keep an eye on
Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
When Zach told me this.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I'm like, come on, is this Josh Pate is as
connected as anybody in the sport?
Speaker 9 (23:51):
Okay, So who's bending over backwards to proby Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Out of Well? First of all, unlike Brian Kelly, he's
not old and grumpy, okay. Does he fit culturally at LSU? Well,
he's a good offensive coach? Okay, so was Brian Kelly. Well,
old and grumpy doesn't necessarily want to put the time
into recruit so okay.
Speaker 9 (24:10):
So Lincoln Riley maybe, Okay? Does he fit at Penn State?
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Well? Fit? It's same conference here When I saw that, Well,
first of all, I trust Josh implicity, I'm not so.
My take on this is USC has gotten, has spent
a lot of money in nil a lot of money
in facilities, a lot of money on the staff, a
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lot of money on the GM, and this roster has
very few elite players, very few. They're just now waking
up to the fact that LA actually has really good athletes.
They didn't recruit it for four years. So I think
there's some discomfort the fact that they're sub five hundred
on the road and many of their losses are to
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Maryland and Minnesota. And then you know, last year an
average Michigan team in illinoy and I'll I'll be honest,
if Penn State came and said, boom, here's the check
and USC didn't have to pay in some sort of buyout,
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could possibly at the end of the year if they
get clobbered by Oregon and it does they lose a
you know, the last game. I don't know. All i'ms
I'm not making. What I'm saying is Josh Pace is
well connected. There's not a lot of guys out there.
If Lane Kiffen takes an NFL job or stays at
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Old Miss and doesn't go you tell me the Vanderbilt
guy everybody loved, but really Barkley, he's amazing.
Speaker 9 (25:45):
Oh okay, amazing, Okay, so my day. So I've been
in this long enough. You know, in the media, you
get fed stuff. You got people talking to you when
I say stuff here on the show that's.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
You know, forward thinking people could.
Speaker 9 (25:56):
Say, oh, I listened to his pod. I listened to
the show closely. I know where j Max getting that from.
I don't know Josh as well as you do, but
I'll just say this. If I'm Lincoln Riley and I'm
watching all these buyouts happen around.
Speaker 7 (26:07):
College football, I'm in his camp.
Speaker 9 (26:09):
I'm floating this, Hey keep Lincoln's name out there in case,
like you said, they get smashed by Oregon and the
USC boosters say this is not good enough, let's buy
him out. Let's I think this is Lincoln Riley, his
camp hedging his bet.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
They're not dissatisfied with Lincoln.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
Well, if they get smashed by Oregon by thirty.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yes, then I think you look in the mirror and
go four years in. What are we? That's what I've
said with USC. What's the there there? I know he's smart.
I compare him to Matt Lafleur. I know he's young, smart,
good play caller, liked by players. I don't know if
the CEO thing is perfect. I kind of feel both
get prickly. They can be a little defensive, but I
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know they're both smart and capable. Matt Lafleur would be
on the job market and fired. In a minute, he'd
get a job. Lincoln Riley would get hired in a minute.
He's he has done an unbelievable Offensively, they don't have
their they're using a walk on running back, a walk
on on the offensive line. They really are. They've got
some nice receivers and a good left tackle, but they're
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young everywhere, and their star right now is a former
UNLV quarterback and a walk on running back. So I
think he's a really good coach. But they spent a
lot of money in this program, and everybody at USC
they kind of look down at Oregon still. They're like,
it's Oregon.
Speaker 9 (27:26):
You know, the USC booster crowd is a little nutty.
I mean the college football the well I think always.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
I mean, when you're writing five million dollar shecks, is
it nutty or demanding? Well were they before.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
Lincoln Riley got here?
Speaker 14 (27:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
I think he's done a pretty damn good job.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
If they had beaten Illinois and they had their chance
go either way game at the end, had they beaten Illinois,
I don't think you'd hear these rumors, but I do.
Speaker 9 (27:51):
Think they wouldn't move off him. I'll just say this.
He's not Jim Harbaugh, obviously, but with Jim Harbor.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I wouldn't move off him either.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
Multiple years people were like, get him out of here.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
No, I wouldn't move off of me. Just be patient.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I'm the Brian Kelly thing. I got grumpy, weird fit,
didn't want to recruit older.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
He lost the team.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, Lincoln's young. I don't see him as grumpy, little defensive.
He's young, he's smart. He's on the right side of
the ball. What he has done to Jaden may Ava. Yeah,
it's unbelievable.
Speaker 10 (28:22):
That kid.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Two years ago, I watched him at UNLV and I'm like,
what is Lincoln seeing that guy? I think he looks
like a pro. He does look like a pro because
a Lincoln. Yeah. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. That's
the herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Yes man, I got stuff today, Blazing five, Top of
the Show, bounce back week, so very very interesting game.
Minnesota hosts Baltimore. Lamar Jackson owns the NFC. But over
the next month, starting this Sunday, the truth is going
to come out on JJ McCarthy. No more handholding Baltimore, Chicago,
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Green Bay, Seattle can all score points. There's gonna be
some shootouts, and they're gonna need thirty points a game,
twenty eight thirty points a game to win games. So
so far this year JJ McCarthy, I mean, if if
you kind of almost look at the career thing, it's
it's two good quarters of twelve. Okay, if you take
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the two good quarters out, he has a thirty seven
passer rating and is completing fifty three percent of his throws.
Two good quarters of twelve this year. That's not that's
not great. He was the one quarterback in the twenty
twenty four class. I didn't buy. There was nothing personal,
but I have to see in college a wow trait.
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That's why I like Kyler Murray. I'm like, I've never
seen a guy move like that, size are athletic ability.
I gotta get a wow trade. You can't tell me
he's a winner. What does that mean. That's like if
I'm trying to hire your son or daughter and I
ask you as a parent about him, and you're like, well,
they're a good kid. Well you're their parents. I would
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hope they're a good kid. You got to give me
a resume. Where do they go to school? What is
their skill set? What have they done? I got twelve quarters,
two good ones, you know I. And here's the thing,
if you go to his quarterback class in college. I
looked it up. Pennix, Caleb, Jayden Daniels, Bonnick straight May
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averaged over three hundred yards a game they carried their teammates.
JJ McCarthy averaged one hundred and ninety nine yards. He
was carried by Michigan. So his college career did not
set him up for the NFL reality, which is you
don't have the best O line, the best coach, the
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best run game, the best defense, and the best field position.
So and people say, well, Colin, he'll make one or
two spectacular throws a game. That's like being a comedian.
One or two jokes that land does not make a
great set, Right. You gotta be funny for twenty five minutes.
You gotta do a Bill Burr like you gotta be
You gotta stand on stage for forty five minutes and
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ninety percent of it is really really funny. Then you're
a franchise comedian. It can't be a couple of good jokes.
So I don't see the wow in twenty five games,
he's he's played three. I don't know what to make
of it. This morning the staffs, I said, give me
the total quarters twelve? How many are good too? That's
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not a good hit rate. I don't know what to
do with it. So he plays the Ravens. I look
at the schedule, Baltimore, Chicago, Green Bay, Seattle. There are
some offenses there. Lamar Caleb, Jordan loves Sam Darnold. You
gotta put some points up. Here's Kevin O'Connell. I mean,
two of twelve's not even a good batting average. I mean,
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here's Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 14 (31:56):
I've always thought JJ is a very very high level
prossessor of information. I think the way I would equate
it to it would be like, you know, if you're
a high level chef making a meal. You know, we
try to put the ingredients out on the counter and
then leave the instructions right next to the ingredients, and
then potentially, you know, have up until fifteen seconds to
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help guide the crafting of that meal.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
That's how we try to do it.
Speaker 14 (32:24):
So it's not just show up to the stadium and
figure it out all on your own.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
You know I like the ingredients. I got no problem
with the ingredients. It's the chef. I don't know if
can bring it home. Like I said, left tackle, Star
Receivers head coach, I love the ingredients. Defensive coordinator Brian Flores,
I'd hire him in a heartbeat. I love all the ingredients,
but you got to make that land on my plate.
(32:51):
I don't see it. We got blazing five. Top of
next hour, Mike Sandals got a fascinating piece, Mayor to
put my tinfoil hat on with Lebron James. See that. Suddenly,
Lebron James, Siatica is all hels. This is very interesting.
(33:12):
My back is suddenly healed.
Speaker 9 (33:14):
After a great lucas it happens to us old guys.
Come on, you know that A good night's sleep and
your back is fine.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Siatica can't get out of bed. Luca drops thirty five.
I'm ready to go.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
It's the hurd.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
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Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, USC is gonna beat Northwestern and Iowa. It all
comes down to that Oregon game. And to your point,
us he views themselves as and they're spending money like
Ohio State is and Texas they're spending big money on
facilities and the staff and the nil. It's that Oregon game.
It's one thing, you know, it's one thing to lose
it Notre Dame. The alumni is okay with that, and
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it's another thing. It's a battle with Oregon. But if
you go down there and get baked in Eugene after
losing to Illinois, and you look up four years in
and you're like, our record's kind of the same as
Clay Hilton. Now we know Lincoln's better than Clay Helton.
He develops players better, but it's a lot of the
same stuff. Recruiting's not as powerful as it should be.
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That was a Clay Hilton problem. It's a Lincoln issue.
Everybody's like, oh, next year's class is great. Well, let's
just see it's the nil world. Guys leave all the time.
Speaker 9 (34:39):
Indiana went into Oregon and had a pretty convincing win. Excellent,
you need to show up. I like USC tonight. I
think it's fourteen and a half. They're a very good
home team. But it's the story.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Josh Pate like, there's keep your eye on Penn State
maybe it's just out there through an agent to cool
the heat on Lincoln. I like Lincoln. He's my Matt Lafleur.
I know he's smart. I know he knows quarterbacks. I
know he's a really bright guy. Some of the CEO
stuff a little prickly. Sometimes I doubt the worldview on
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the program. Where's the they're there with the packers.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
And remember when he was at Oklahoma.
Speaker 9 (35:15):
There's not that massive spotlight at USC much bigger spotlight,
big Den. I think you got to give these guys time.
I agree, I'm with you. I'm defended Dabbo and all
these guys. He won eleven games every year at Oklahoma.
I don't know that I can go defend Dabbo. But
that's another story, all right.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Well, you know there's a lot of talk trade deadline
week criticizing teams that were too aggressive, like Indianapolis, and
I was thinking about Jalen Phillips. Good player goes from
spiraling out of control Miami to Philadelphia. Sauce Gardner goes
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from the abysmal hapless Jets to the Colts. Rashid Shaheed
hooks back up with his offive coordinator in New Orleans,
goes from the lost woeful Saints to the Seahawks. I
think all three players are going to crush. And it's
three of my favorite gms Howie Roseman, Chris Ballard, John
Snyder great gms. So when people say they say this
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a lot, well, you gave up too much, be careful.
First of all, Philly needed an edge rusher. They're like
bottom six in sacks, bottom seven in sacks. The Colts
needed a corner. Look at the Colts schedule in the
next five weeks they need They're facing a lot of
number one receivers. They need an elite corner. In Seattle.
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Too much of their offense through the air was JSN.
They needed another perimeter weapon. But when people say, oh,
you gave up this first round picks. So instead of
just crossing your fingers and hoping next year the first
rounders play, let's go back to this pass first round.
Two players in the first round are crushing playmakers today.
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Two of thirty two Tyler Warren, who Chris Ballard drafted
tight end Colts all pro level tight end, and a
Mecca Abuka wide receiver Tampa Productive Dynamic. They are professional
football players and high end players. Two of thirty two
in the first round. There's another six six, seven guys
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who are good. They're not Sauce Gardner or Jalen Phillips productive.
So again, windows close very quickly in professional football. Strike
when the iron is hot is a term used in
every industry. And I look at Rashid Shaheed and Jalen
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Phillips and Sauce Gardner. All of those guys fill a
small hole on good rosters. Somebody told me this years ago.
They're like, everybody loves draft picks, but if you have
a really good roster, like the Philadelphia Eagles, how many
spots are available in the draft? I mean, you're the Colts,
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how many guys can you draft? Tyler Warren hits the
only I mean, there's only two or three spots that
a second third rounder could even make. That that's why
they gave up first round picks. Philly, Seattle and Indy
have three of the top six rosters in the sport.
And if you like your quarterback, and all of them
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apparently do, all right, you give up first round picks.
So I like aggressive gms, maybe to a fault. Here's
Jalen Phillips. I'm going from Miami to Philly.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
I thought I was excited at day one.
Speaker 13 (38:42):
I mean, talk to me now, like this is literally
the greatest thing that's happened to me in my whole life.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
Probably.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
I mean, it's like a workplace transfer. It's unbelievable. I
will defend those gms. I want to throw this out there.
I don't want to go too deep into it. I'm
not going to put on a ten fold hat. But
you're a Lebron guy a little bit J mac So. Wednesday,
report surfaces Lebron's not making the five game Roadie, that
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psiatica nerve is very temperamental. And then that night Luca
has one of his games of the year, Wemby gets steimied.
JJ Reddick looks like a genius. And the next morning
the report comes out the sciatica nerve, what psiatica nerve?
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Feel like a million dollars. I read the story yesterday
Lebron has now been cleared for contact and then made
sure that story made the news. That's made sure that
story made the La Times. They got out there for
the press. Kind of felt a little intentional, is all
I'm saying.
Speaker 9 (39:50):
Look at me, maybe so is that Lebron he's gonna
rush back.
Speaker 7 (39:55):
Now, what are you going to say?
Speaker 3 (39:56):
The tinfoil hat on Lebron is very inten tensional. Stuff
gets out because his camp wants it out. Luke on
a heater beat the Red Hot Spurs. Honestly, Aiden's playing great, Luca.
They did it without Austin Reeves and Lebron. Lebron just
make sure the old Sciantica nothing just a little achy breaky,
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it's all healed up. I don't know. I just think
here's Rachel Nichols on the Lebron fitting in with the Lakers.
Speaker 8 (40:32):
I think now he's really on board with being on
this team right now and letting what happens next year be,
you know, next summer to sort of thing. But look,
Lebron has a gravity in the locker room, in any
room he's in. I always compare him to Jupiter. Jupiter
has two and a half times the gravity of Earth.
Lebron has two and a half times the gravity of
anyone else in that locker room. So when he's in
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the locker room actively on the court, he is such
a huge presence. That's not Lebron's fault. He doesn't do
anything disruptive. It's just that he's different.
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I am not wearing a tinfoil hat. It just felt
like it was an intentional report after a glorious win
at home over the Spurs. Hey, this is how journalism works.
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