December 3, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin Cowherd tries to make sense of the latest College Football Playoff Rankings reinforcing his long-held belief that college football lacks the necessary leadership to establish who should get into the playoff bracket and direct the sport
The Steelers and Mike Tomlin may need a reset as the offense continues to struggle this season
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh, here we go. It'll be a rambunctious Wednesday show.
We are live in Chicago. It's The Herd wherever you
may be, however you may be listening. Joel cladd in
one hour two try to unravel the twenty twenty five
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latest edition of the College Football Playoff, the twelve team Playoff.
Now again, you have an ACC championship game, an SEC
championship game, a big twelve champion ship game to be played.
But I just want to talk about this for a second.
It's so confusing. March Madness has sixty eight teams easier
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to explain than this. I can explain over the next
five minutes, the blockchain easier than I can the College
Football Playoff. Miami is ten and two, has beaten Notre
Dame head to head, and they're not in the ACC
title game. You know who is seven and five, Duke,
And if Duke wins the ACC title game over Virginia,
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it blows up the ACC and nobody gets in from
the conference. How do you how do you make a
conference championship game? And if you win it a heroic
seven and five teams in the ACC championship ten and two,
Miami's not and if Duke wins, nobody gets in from
the ACC. Basically what we learned yesterday. The committee said, Yeah,
I know Miami that you beat Notre Dame, and I
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know that you're ten and two and have impressive wins.
You're not in and an hammering pit in cold weather
up north. That didn't impress us either. Okay, this is
a perfect time to go back to my ten to
twenty year rant on the ridiculousness of college football. Eight
billion dollar industry, no centralized figure, no ceo, no Dana
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White is ridiculous, And whenever anybody says college football is
better than the NFL, no it's not. You can't have
a great movie with a bad ending. You can't have
a great movie with a bad ending. Once again, we're
left with this nebulous cloud trying to decipher what matters.
I thought scheduling big, tough road games matters. Yeah, Texas
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did see you. I thought winning big games mattered well.
Texas beat Oklahoma. That was a pretty big game. Texas
has three wins. Beat Texas A and m beat Vandy. No,
that doesn't matter because they lost to Ohio State. I
thought bad losses punished you well. Last year, Notre Dame
they made the Natty. They lost to Northern Illinois at home.
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I mean, it's unbelievable. It's just unbelievable. I mean, ask yourself,
have you ever watched the NFL playoffs and said, I
like it, but I can't quite figure it out. I mean,
occasionally in the NFL you'll have like a team of
the losing record have a home playoff game. But we
all know why. We don't have to like it, but
we know why, because they want a division and they're
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playing a team that was a wildcard team with the
better record. That happens occasionally. But the simplest way to
explain what happened last night, and again we still have
championship games to be played. The simplest way to explain
last night is Notre Dame is in and Miami and
Texas are out and Miami has an impressive win. Texas
has several, but I guess Notre Dame doesn't have a
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really really bad loss. So Texas and Miami have you know.
I mean, Texas has multiple big wins, but that Florida
loss that's the kapper, and Notre Dame doesn't really have
a great win that you could say USC. But USC
has not played well the last two years in the
Big Ten on road, cold weather games. They just haven't.
So it's funny the last thirty years in college football.
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First we had the media select who played for the Natty,
Then it was the computers, and now we're down to
an arbitrary committee where it's math meets selective feelings. Again,
whenever you argue college football is better than the pros,
what you're saying is NFL great beginning, great middle, great
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end is not as good as a movie with an
atrocious ending. Even the Lane Kiffinsaga they can't even get
their calendar right. And I love college football, so I'm
not going to hyper ventilate too much on the rankings.
I'd put Miami in. I think Texas deserves a shot.
I don't have a problem with Notre Dame being in.
But it is remarkable that Duke at seven and five
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is in the ACC championship game and if they win,
they not only don't get in, nobody in the conference does.
That is absolutely ridiculous. That's why urban Meyer came on
my show earlier this week and said, get rid of
the committee. I think the committee's got to go away.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
You have Chris Folik, you got the Bear, you got
mark Ingram, you got Matt Lioner, Brady Quinn, urban Meyer,
there's a bunch of national titles. Heisman's a bunch of
football guys. That's what they do. I mean, we'd dam
near in fistfights in that green room getting ready to
go on Big Noon because everybody's.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Got and we can't agree.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
So how in the world are Athletic Director's Conference committe?
How are they coming up with who's going to be
in this in the playoffs? So I'm a big believer
in the four four two two one one that was
presented earlier about the committee goes away, the conferences take
care of it.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I agree the ACC is this weird, convoluted Ponzi scheme.
I'm almost rooting now for Duke to meet Virginia. So
nobody gets in from the ACC we know Miami should,
and then everybody has to sit down and go this
is ridiculous. I mean it's been ridiculous forever. It used
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to be computers. Now it's math and selective feelings. Take
a deep breath. We still have championship games coming up.
Maybe it'll get better. Okay. So Ben Roethlisberger, who carries
a lot of weight with the Pittsburgh Steelers, his voice
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carries He is now joining the fans and the media
and privately there is a discussion. There's tension between Tomlin
and the ownership. Here's Big Ben on the Mike Tomlin
future discussion.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
It's being talked about around here a lot. Maybe it's time,
Maybe it's a cleanhouse time, Maybe it is Maybe it's time.
And I like coach Tomlin. I have a lot of
respect coach Tomlin. But maybe it's best for him, him
to maybe a fresh start for him is what's best.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
This is what I agree with. Big Ben's right. Ask
yourself this Sometimes people, I would include myself in this.
I like fresh starts. Some people have to be pushed
into him. But a lot of times, be honest, did
your wife, your kids, a friend, convince you, you know
what this job. You need a fresh start. You're kind
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of getting tired, you've lost your energy, and you do it.
You got to be pushed into it ends up being
the greatest movie of your career. I think that's what
Mike Tomlin needs think about this. Since Mike Tomlin's last
playoff win, his last playoff win, Donald Trump hadn't been
inaugurated the first time show Heyo Taani was still playing
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baseball in Japan. Sam Darnold just beat Penn State in
a Rose Bowl. Kevin Durant it was his first season
with the Warriors. Sean McVeigh had not coached a single
game for the Rams. This isn't like just happening or
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in the last couple years Sam Darnold was in college.
I mean, come on, it's time. And I've said in
my career I'm not out the fire people, but when
somebody's going to get a job pretty quickly after, I
don't have a problem with it. It's time. I mean,
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this has been like a seven year leaky roof and
Pittsburgh just keeps putting buckets all over the living room
and kitchen. This offense has been dreadful bottom ten for years.
Aaron Rodgers, he'll save the day. Arthur Smith, He'll save
the day. It doesn't matter. You can keep running through
great receivers. NFL coach is not a Supreme Court justice.
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It's not a lifetime appointment. Mike Tomlin is not a
college professor. He's not tenured. Whatever's happening in his personal life,
I don't know, and I don't care. But what I
know right now is this is a seven to eight
year leaky roof. Fix the roof. Stop just putting buckets
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around the house. Twenty twenty five Pittsburgh Steelers once again
feel out of touch with the league offensively and kind
of outdated Defensively, old defensive coaches Belichick, Pete Carroll, Mike
Tomlin a few years ago, Ron Rivera, Lovey Smith. Those
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defensive coaches do not age as well. You can. I
tend to think offensive coaches tend to be more curious.
They're play designers where you have to be. Current defensive
coaches tend to be about brute strength and aggressive, which
doesn't owe as necessarily for people or businesses or teams
age well. But if Big Ben's entered the fray, you
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got to take it seriously. J Mac, Joel kladd In
one hour, Albert Breer, Alexi Lawless. We're gonna have the
World Cup draw on Friday, which is gonna be unbelievable.
Can't wait for that.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Hey, can I ask you real quick about this Tomlin
stuff because I'm kind of on the other side, Colin.
I've seen some of these franchises. You move off a
good coach and it may take you a while to
find a great replacement. I mean, we've seen this for quarterbacks. Yeah,
I mean, I hope you can't just save Mike.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
We're done. You need a game plan. Who you got?
Give me five names you think we could.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Realistically get to shape the franchise going forward.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Because they would all be offensive. You know, Brian Dabole
is somebody I would strongly consider. I mean to remember firing.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Domlin to hire a guy who couldn't get his act
together in New York over.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah, but New York's got worse ownership New York's front
office has Ben Wonky contextualize it. The Giants have run
through everybody. The Steelers generally aren't chaotic. They underperform, but
they haven't had a losing season in twenty one years.
When's the last time the Giants had a winning season?
So Brian Dable would be I mean, Brian Dables won
a playoff game in the last eight years with Daniel Jones,
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who Indiana or the Indianapolis Colts may regret now with
the Sauce Gardner move, why Brian Dable would be at
the top. And again, there's always a Liam Cohen out
there hunt around, There's always a Ben Johnson somewhere, But
I Brian Dable is the obvious one to me that
just jumps out.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
And do you think.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
Tomlin goes back into coaching, because, yeah, the Titans have
an opening, the Jets could have an opening, the Browns
could have.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
An opening in the division.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
I think people would be really interested. Tomlin's not quite
in the Verbel Harbaugh boat. Is he of like that
guy's gonna work? Remember those guys when they were on
the market, it was like that's a slam up.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Let me throw this one out. Mike McCarthy, all he
does is win twelve games in Green Bay in Dallas
like him, you know, I mean Mike McCarthy. Brian Dable
offensive guy. Whether you like them or not, it is
in undeniable. I mean, Brian Dable is the one that
push for Jackson Dart in New York and you're watching
Jackson Dart and it's like, oh, that's a franchise quarterback.
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Nobody the rest of the league wasn't clamoring for Jackson Dart.
So if you look at Jackson Dart's completion percentages running,
if you can stay out of the blue tent, which
by the way, Drake may first year was in the
blue ten lot guys are in the blue tent when
they're young, then they get hit a few times. End
of year two they're out of it. And I think
Jackson Dart after that hit against New England in the
first quarter, may be avoiding hits from this point forward.
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But the point is Brian Dable won a playoff game.
Brian Dable, like Jackson Dart, Brian Dabele, I think can
coach in the NFL, and he would get a less
chaotic ownership group. I think you to consider him.
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So there is a lot of consternation, a lot of
questions by Bears fans and Bronco fans, are we any good?
And there's a lot of questions about their quarterbacks Bo
Nix and Caleb Williams, and so in Chicago they have
quarterback it's like quarterback derangement syndrome, Like they get very
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defensive if you criticize Caleb Williams. And this week, Ben
Johnson addressed the fact that his quarterback has a bizarrely
low fifty eight percent completion percentage.
Speaker 8 (14:00):
With the stats say throw those out the window. He's
doing a really good job managed in the ballgame, and
that's step number one for the quarterback, and so he's
going to continue to get better. He's doing the process
is really good right now, with how he approaches the week,
the way he's taking the coaching, the way he's applying
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the coaching. I'm very pleased with that, and I think
we're going to continue to see him ascend, whether the
stats tell the story or not.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
So, I mean, here's the thing with Caleb. He is
a big play quarterback. Bears Ley the NFL in big plays,
so is ceiling high. And he's also really inaccurate. But
instead of just talking about Caleb Williams, I'm going to
combine Caleb Williams and Bonix because they're very similar. Both talented,
both in a rookie contract, both uneven, both miss on
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some laps, both make big plays right, both have offensive
coaches Sean Payton, Ben Johnson, And yet there's a lot
of criticism of both. How are they winning? Does quarterback
play even matter anymore? How is Denver number two seed?
How is Chicago number one seed? How is b Nicks
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ten and two? Quarterback just doesn't matter? It's overrated. How
is Caleb Williams nine and three a number one seed?
It's all very explainable. Go look at their old lines,
the top four old lines in the NFL, none have
a quarterback that's making the max money. There's two ways
to win big in this league, superstar quarterback mostly taking
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a team friendly deal, or a really talented quarterback Bo
Knicks Caleb Williams on a rookie deal. So I'll give
you an example. I think what's underrated is how good
Chicago and Denver's rosters are. If you're wondering how Bo
Nicks and Caleb could potentially end up as number one
seeds and be so uneven, let me give you an
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example of how good the Bears and Broncos rosters are.
Here are the ten best players. Okay, and there are
excellent players I'm not including, and I don't care what
the order is, but I'm going kind of close. Nick Benito, Denver,
Patrick Sirtan three time pro bowler Denver. Joe Tooney, pro
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bowler three straight years, Darnell Wright Chicago, Drew Dolman number
two rank center PFF, Garrett Bowles number two rank left
tackle Denver, who fung of the safety, unbelievable player USC
San Francisco and now in Denver, Montese sweat seven and
a half sacks, game changer since he arrived defensively in Chicago,
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Quinn miners right now, the number one guard on PFF,
Kevin Yered leaves the NFL in interceptions. I am not
including in the top ten. Do you see how many
offensive linemen we're on That Bears in Denver arguably have
the best offensive lines in football. Detroit's up there. I
didn't count Jalen Johnson, who's a pro Bowler, but he's
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been hurt most of the year, so I won't count him.
He may be the most talented defensive player. I'm not
count Zach Allen for Denver, who would start for every
single team in the NFL, every single one. So when
you're like, well, how does Bo Knicks, how does Caleb
Williams rookie contract? Really really high end offensive coaches unbelievable
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offensive lines. You don't have to complete sixty seven percent.
You can be uneven. Now what you hope is over
the next two to three years, bow gets up to
sixty six, Caleb gets up to sixty one and a half,
sixty two and a half, and all the bumps in
that uneven quarterback play. I mean, when Brady was at
his bast you got the same Tom Brady literally every
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Sunday he would throw picks. But it was the same guy.
It was the same Payton, it was the same breeze,
It's mostly the same mahomes. With these guys, you're not
quite sure quarter to quarter, half to half what you
get if that evens out, and it needs to because
as you get paid more. Think about this, how are
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these guys number one seeds. Caleb Williams' cap hit is
only fifteen percent of Dak Prescott's. Bow Nick's cap hit
is only eight percent of daks, which is a compliment
to Dak because Dak has the number one offense and
he's gobbling up so much of the money. So when
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you great offensive coach, great offensive line, fairly underappreciated, stacked rosters,
Dad explains it. And they're both good. Bow and Caleb
are really talented guys. They're uneven. You just got to
iron out the bumps and that's when the Super Bowl happens,
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eventually potentially for both. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
No news, This is the herd line news.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
All right, Let's start in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, Colin. Obviously,
Bill Belichick's first season did not go as expected. However,
reports indicate that the school will keep him quote for
at least one more season. Not a resounding vote of confidence,
but Carolina went four and eight, five double digit losses.
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Reports claim it would be about thirty million three zero
million to buy out Belichick and his staff.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
I don't mind himitting. I was way off on Belichick.
I had faith in the old man.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
I thought he could deliver, and he got sidetracked by
the young lady.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Now, J Mack, there's only one. There's only one old man.
You can count on me.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
In a football sense.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
I mean, yeah, maybe Belichick's been disappointing.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
Pete Carroll's been disappointing.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
It kind of feels like the last ride for both
those dudes, right.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, I mean I think one thing their offense was
really bad, Well so was New England's and the two carryovers.
Bill knows offense, but he's not good at diagramming it,
calling it, or drafting it. So what did you notice
about Carolina that you know noticed about New England the
last several years? There's no playmakers. I don't think Bill
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has an eye for it, a touch for it, a
field for it, or a sensibility for it. I think
his sensibility and touches defense and leadership and culture. And
I do think they got better. But the offense for Carolina,
I watched them twice early in the season and I'm like,
it's a bad team. They got no playmakers that I
watched Carolina. I watched New England last four years when
Brady in Law left in Josh McDaniels, he has no
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feel for offense. He has a great feel, maybe the
best ever for defense. And the world has pivoted away
from Bill. It's an offensive sport college and pro.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
And remember this is in a league, the ACC where
like the conference championship game is Virginia against Duke Like
this was a week league in Belichick only went four
to eight. Not great at all. All Right, let's go
back to the NFL and the New York Football Giants.
I think they were a disaster this season. They fired
aa ble Kafka. Seems like he doesn't know what he's
doing yet. Somehow Colin GM Joe Shane is still employed.
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He had a press conference yesterday and he was grilled
about how he still has a job.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Here's what he had to say. This is in place, Dan,
and I understand the question.
Speaker 8 (21:10):
And I do have confidence in our ability and our
process to find the next coach.
Speaker 9 (21:14):
To lead the organization.
Speaker 8 (21:16):
And again, I truly believe in that process, and you know,
I know.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
We're going to get it right.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
He looks the part hair combed.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
We're in the quarter zip and just his history in
New York has been a disaster from sa Quon Barkley.
By the way, did you see his first round pick
of Duel Carter. He got benched again against the Patriots.
I don't know what's going on with that guy in.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
The locker room.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
He's a good player, but New York is like a knucklehead. Yeah,
I don't know. I don't know. He's a very very
good player. I have told you this before. I do
not think the Giants are miles away. I don't. I
think their receivers, even without Molik Neighbors, have been kind
of surprisingly good. They need to go out and get
Scatterboo back and probably get a risk another back. I
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think their offensive line is better. Jackson Dart appears to
be a franchise guy. They've got a couple of rush ends.
I like. I think if they went out and nailed
their first two or three picks. I think if they
went and got a number one corner, a number one
defensive tackle, they got to add somebody along with Scataboo
at running back, because I don't think Jackson Dart's going
to be a guy that throws it forty times a game.
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He's a little dangerous, he's a little cocky, a little
too confident at times. For me, He's gonna throw picks
if you can give him help like the Bears have given,
by the way, like the Bears have given Kayleb Williams
great run game. So I get Scataboo back, I would
go third, fourth round pick. I'd go another. Remember Scataboo
was not a first round pick. They're not paying him
anything for several years. So I don't think they're miles away.
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And in that division, where's Washington. I mean, Philadelphia may
have a new coach by next year, So I don't
think the Giants are miles away. Now, New England they
got hammered. I watched him previous three or four weeks
and they were frisky. They can't beyond me. They're playing hard.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
Okay, you've taken me for a loop here. I was
gonna trash Shane because he's been awful, as I mean
from paying Daniel Jones, which would say regretted instantly, and
so moving off Saquon Barkley. Look, fine, let's move past
that right now. Do you believe ownership will keep Joe
Shane after the season.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yes, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
Well, you know that's great news for the Jets, because
I'll tell you right now, the New York Jets are
in a better spot football wise than the Giants are this.
Giants are close. The Jets have so many draft picks, Colin, what's.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
It matter when you get him and don't know what
to do with them? Yeah, Sam Dark, you mean.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
Like the Giants.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
I mean, listen, we had Sam darl way back in
the day. But wow, you're optimistic on the Giants, Eagles, Cowboys,
Washington has Jadon Daniels.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
You got the worst quarterback in the division. Good look,
Oh my goodness, I can't pull.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
There must be a Jets thing, That's what it is.
Final story, Colin, Mike Vrabel, your boy. He had an
awesome quote yesterday. He was talking about that hit that
Christian Ellis laid on Jackson Dark. Oh god, watch thirty
seven times. It's hard to watch I love that. That's
football right there.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Baby.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Anyways, here's Rabel talking about this hit not being dirty,
and he's coaching his players to keep an eye on
quarterbacks in bounce.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
If we show that to Drake and our defenders are
being coached the same way. When I say we better not.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Get cued over there by the sidelines because this is legal,
I turn around and tell the defense if this is happening,
you know, we need to try to knock out of
him as legally as possible.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
No, that's right.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
Damn.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
How the Patriots fell backwards into Rabel is just so unfair.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
They are. They're not going anywhere for the next decade.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Rabel and May. How about that division, Josh Allen Drake May,
good luck. If you're a Dolphin or a Jet fan.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
Well, we got Aaron Glenn so so far, that's a start,
and then maybe we'll get Mendoza, maybe a little Ty Simpson.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
I've worked Jets into two stories in this hour.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
How about that we go.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
That's a that's a win.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
J Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping that the
herd Line news.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
So tomorrow Thursday, Thursday Night football is a great one.
There's a lot of stinkers on Thursday night football. Tomorrow
is a great one Dallas at the Detroit Lions, and
it is a This is what I love about the NFL.
I think this is one of the NFL's strains, maybe
it's greatest strength. It is a great reminder how fast,
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how quickly things change in the NFL. Last year Lions
win fifteen games. They may miss the playoffs. Dallas a
month ago, tire fire, they may make the playoffs. No
sport gives you this. Last year the Lions were an
offensive juggernaut seventeenth now on third down and can't pick
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up fourth down. That was their culture. It's unbelievable. So
you know, there's the old People were banging on Lane
Kiffin this week and LSU, but it's always been the truth.
Strike when the iron is and never settle. Old Miss
Lane Kiffin's like, I'm settling. LSU is not settling. So
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this goes back. Why is Detroit going backwards? Did the
players get worse? No, they settled. They had the best
offensive coordinator in football. He left, he's now got Chicago
as a elite team, and they settled on an in
house candidate who may be more than capable, but he's
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not Ben Johnson. And I've said, the greater the coordinator
or coach, you lose, the broader the search has to
be to replace him. You know, we all know that
Steve Jobs forced him out of Apple. You better get
the next Steve Jobs or you're gonna be begging ten
years later for Steve Jobs, the late Steve Jobs to
come back, which Apple was doing. Like I said, if
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you gonna if you're gonna fire James Franklin at Penn State,
I said, Okay, won a lot of games. Now they
can't find a coach. Very The answer for fans is
fire everybody. And the answer for fans in the media
is hire the friendly guy everybody likes. Michigan football did.
That doesn't quite look the same, does it? Two years
later and Detroit had great coordinators Aaron Glenn, Ben Johnson
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and they stayed in house. And so you know, ninety
percent of Americans, I think, and it's not a bad thing,
but are very content being good. But if you'll want
to be great, if you want to hoist trophies, there's
two things you have to do. You can't settle, and
you have to be aggressive. Because if you're not aggressive,
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you're like ninety percent of Americans who aren't aggressive, and
you'll be somewhere in the pack, slightly below, middle of
it or slightly above. And Detroit settled and Dallas, by
the way, took massive swings. Dallas plays it. They traded Mica.
It gave them flexibility. Jerry the deal maker, Quinnon Williams,
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that's a huge swing. So Dallas and Detroit are different.
Dallas settled. If they lose their they're not going to
make the playoffs. Detroit settled. If they lose their out
of the place. Dallas took huge swings and risk, and
if they win, start looking at their schedule. Guys start
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looking at Dallas's schedule. And I think Jerry is a
deal maker. And when and I said this for years,
when he traded Micah Parsons, it was so easy and
ninety percent of the media, ninety five percent said, oh Dallas,
terrible move. I said, you got to give deal makers
the opportunity to make deals. This year, the Rams, the Eagles,
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and the Cowboys have made huge moves, aggressive acquisitions. Two
are doing really well, Two will make the playoffs, and
Dallas may. So it's really interesting the the you juxtaposed
the Lions and the cowboy Boys. One settled, one took
a huge swing, And who would you rather be today?
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Ask yourself, who would you rather be over the next
two years. I got Dak Prescott, George Pickens, I got
Ceedee Lamb. I got a run stopping defense with an
elite defensive tackle, and Kenny Clark as well. Demarvin Overshown
has emerged as a stud. And I have two first
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round picks, and I'll probably go get a Caleb Downs
and an edge rusher. And my coach is overachieving at
this point. I mean so, I think it's a fascinating game,
and it's a reminder of why the NFL is king.
It is the League of optimism and the League of hope.
Four weeks ago, one of these teams was circling the
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train four or five weeks ago, and before the quinnin
Williams trade, Dallas defense didn't look like this and Detroit
was humming. Now look at it. Oh, and don't forget this.
Here's another thing that Tyler Booker. Remember everybody made fun
of that Tyler Booker move, that trade by Dallas or
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not trade that he was the twelfth pick in the draft.
Everybody's like, oh, I want to reach. Do you see
a matchup against Jalen Carter? Pretty good as a rookie
is a twelve pick. So things are hummon for the
Dallas Cowboys. Okay, I do it about every five weeks,
about once a month, maybe once every five weeks, I
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do a Super Bowl Bubble. And this year's bubble is
our strangest and skinniest ever, and we'll talk about that next.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
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Speaker 5 (30:50):
For the first time in conference history, Number one and
number two collide in the Big Ten title game ice
in Front Runners collide as Julian Saying leads Number one
Ohio State against Fernando Mendoza and number two Indiana. Coverage
begins Saturday at six point thirty Eastern on Fox.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I like Ohio State by ten points. The two touchdowns.
Let me stay in college football for a second. So
the College Football Playoff, it's not finished the twelve teams yet,
so we've got multiple conference championships. But I think the
thing most troubling I'll talk to Joel clad about this
is the message is sent. So like Miami does not
get in, but Miami's got like a quality win over
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Notre Dame. And Miami you'd say, has a bad loss
to Louisville. Yes, bad loss, but the SMU loss is
not a terrible loss. SMU made the playoff. Last year,
SMU was eight and four. This year. SMU beat Miami
in Clemson this year. SMU is a fine football program.
It's not great. It's pretty solid eight and four and
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it was a close game twenty six to twenty. Miami
is getting punished for a really bad loss to Louisville. Okay,
Notre Dame doesn't have a bad loss. They've got losses
to Miami and Texas A and M. But what's their
quality win to sixteenth rand USC? But it was at
home that matters. USC has two different programs. There's the
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La Trojans, right like in La hammered Michigan, and then
there's the on the road Trojans, who last year lost
to Maryland, could struggle with Rutgers and kind of get
blown out a lot on the road in the Big Ten,
get handled. So what's the messaging? Like Texas has multiple
excellent wins throttled Texas A and m throttled Vandy throttled Oklahoma,
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and they lost three road games. The closest lost to
Ohio State. Losing to Georgia is a game they don't
match up well with. Yeah, Florida's an ugly loss. So
what the messaging to me says is, you can't have
a really really bad loss. But Notre Dame last year
lost at home to Northern Illinois. That's an atrojan's loss.
Made it in and made it to the Natty. So
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it's I just think. You know, there was a coach
named Mike Leach. He was a very funny guy. It
was a very unique, clever guy, and he has passed away.
But before he did, when he found out college football,
you know, was going to go to this playoff and
it was going to be selected by a committee, Mike
Leach understood what was going to happen down the road.
Speaker 9 (33:26):
We're so smart. Wouldn't all the other sports say I
don't want let's have a committee, you know, because why not?
Because you know we're American. We love committees. Let's get
us a committee. Well, who should be on the committee? Well,
I don't know. This guy's a good guy, Let's have
him on the committee.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I mean, it'd be fun.
Speaker 9 (33:45):
We'd go to that resort, we could talk, we could
hang out at dinner, and then we'll decide which four
teams should go because you know why, we don't need
to solve this on the field, because we're the ones
that know.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
And that's the problem with committees. There's a lot of cronyism.
I mean, you can have relationships with people for twenty
years and not favor them, right Like, that's just not
the way the world works. So I think the messaging
bothers me. I am not anti or pro Miami or
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Notre Dame, but if you both have two losses, at
least Miami is a complete ACC member. You know, Notre
Dame is still like, all right, we'll kind of well,
kind of play in the ACC, but we want to
do our own thing. I mean, couldn't I argue if
Notre Dame and Miami are tied and Miami won head
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to head, that because you're a full member, that's an advantage.
You have to play more games that you don't control.
Notre Dame controls a bigger percentage of their schedule. Miami doesn't.
They're a conference member. You get stuck some years with
tough schedules. I mean, let's face it, if Miami plays
SMU at Hull instead of the Row, they probably win
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that game and they're in so and I don't think
head to head is the only thing. But I said yesterday,
Miami's got the better defense, Miami's got a better passing game.
They have four common opponents, Miami beat three worse. So
I mean it's I feel bad for Miami, I really do.
I I like the program. I like the spirit. It's
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a flashy program. Not a lot of flashy college football
programs Miami, USC or count flashy. It's not anti Notre Dame.
I said, if they played today, I'd probably take Notre Dame.
But I don't think you should allow people in based
on what calling things would happen if they played again. Right,
that's not the right way to do it. Okay. So
I do a Super Bowl bubble every four or five weeks,
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and usually the average has been through the years, I
have about seven or eight teams late in the year
that I think can reach the Super Bowl. It's not
about winning it, it's reaching it. So I did this.
I did it, and there's only three teams that I
feel real strongly about that they're going to reach the
super Bowl, potentially Rams Green Bay in New England, Denver.
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I've got in the bubble, but bumping out of the bubble,
I just don't know if I trust them. Can you
be a team that's that uneven offensively and get there.
Philadelphia is actually in the bubble. They are touching the bubble.
They are making slight contact with the bubble, so they're
in the bubble. But I would just say if Congress
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voted on it, nobody would like them. They would be,
you know, kind of a Marjorie Taylor Greenfield like, nobody's
quite sure what's going on there. In out We're not sure.
Maybe out in a week. Nobody really knows. Philly's in
the bubble. There's contact with the bubble. They're kind of
the bubble. So I want to concentrate on the four
teams I put just outside of the bubble, Chicago, Seattle, Buffalo,
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San France. I believe there are fatal flaws that eliminates
you even if you have a good record, So let's
start with the forty nine ers. The forty nine ers
have a fatal flaw. They don't sack the quarterback. They
are last in defensive sacks this year thirteen games, only sixteen.
No team has ever won a Super Bowl last in sacks,
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and Fred Warner and Nick Bosa are not coming back
the Bills. The Bills can't defend the run no matter
who gets healthy. They're thirtieth in run defense. Only one team,
Peyton Mannings two thousand and six, Tolls have won a
Super Bowl being a bottom five run defense. I think
it killshit, Josh Allen sitting on the sidelines. Let's talk
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to Seahawks. They turn it over too much. No team
has ever won a Super Bowl. Bottom three in giveaways,
Seattle's number two. Only the Vikings have given away the
ball more, and that's because the quarterback play is just
too reckless. And the Bears. You have to go back
to Eli Manning two thousand and seven, when a quarterback
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had a completion percentage at fifty eight percent or lower
and won a Super Bowl. Now, it was a different time.
Fifty six percent didn't sound as bad as fifty eight
percent does now. Now, Caleb Williams could get up to
sixty percent, which is kind of the threshold I'm looking
for in his last several games. But I think the
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strangest team in the league is Philadelphia. We love their roster.
They should be a Super Bowl team. I'm not sure
what to do with them. They're playing terribly on offense.
They've got incredible personnel at wide receiver, at corner, at
defensive line, at linebacker, at running back, at tight end,
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and they're a mess and I'm not sure their head
coach can fix it. So jaymckam, I'm missing anybody here?
Count the Eagles in because they're making contact with the bubble.
Anybody I'm missing here?
Speaker 6 (39:04):
Well, I like to come in fresh.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
So I didn't see this before it was posted, and
my eyes popped when I saw that the two AFC
teams in the Super Bowl bubble are b Nicks and
Drake may Like.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
I'm stunned.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
No, Ravens, I cannot believe that nobody in the building.
Had you force feed the Chiefs onto like touching the bubble.
I mean, these are some bad teams, Colin, I think
Buffalo should be touching the bubble.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
By the way, nice political analogy there.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Earlier.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
There's just not enough AFC here.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
I can't Denvers in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
I just can't. Well, it's a hurdle.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Okay, for the previous five years we thought the AFC
was better. It's not. NFC now is better. I think
Seattle could get to the AFC Championship game. I think
Chicago could, the Niners could, the Eagles could, the Rams could,
the Packers could. I mean, I just I cannot. I
think the team that people think I'm hard on his Buffalo,
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But you can't struggle against the run because the way
Buffalo is going to beat you is Josh Allen and
James Cook. If you're sitting on the bench and losing
time of possession, that's the killer. That's always been the
way to beat Mahomes and that's why Kansas City is
generally By the way, why is Kansas City losing all
those one possession games this year? Nick Write said it yesterday.
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They can't stop anybody on third down. That's what Buffalo
is struggling with on third and three. People just like
we're running it. And a lot of the teams that
they could play in the A, I mean, the Buffalo's
got one advantage. They do run the ball very very well.
That usually helps in December January football, that's really and
Denver's run game is hit and miss, and New England's
run game is hit and miss. If you love Buffalo,
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this is the one thing you like football. The next
six weeks, run games matter. Bears, Niners, Seahawks.
Speaker 6 (41:00):
Again, Colin. Remember you've got to walk before you run.
Speaker 5 (41:03):
And all the sports, especially in the postseason, we've never
seen really bo Nicks outside of one playoff game, Drake May.
We don't know what these guys are going to look
like in the playoffs. So that's why it's difficult for
me to envision boom. You get in the playoffs and
you go to the super Bowl, it's just hard. I
don't see it with those guys.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
All Right, there you go. Kansas City was not force
fed by management.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh, here we go. It'll be a rambunctious Wednesday show.
We are live in Chicago. It's The Herd wherever you
may be, however you may be listening. Joel cladd in
one hour two try to unravel the twenty twenty five
(00:48):
latest edition of the College Football Playoff, the twelve team Playoff.
Now again, you have an ACC championship game, an SEC
championship game, a big twelve champion ship game to be played.
But I just want to talk about this for a second.
It's so confusing. March Madness has sixty eight teams easier
(01:11):
to explain than this. I can explain over the next
five minutes, the blockchain easier than I can the College
Football Playoff. Miami is ten and two, has beaten Notre
Dame head to head, and they're not in the ACC
title game. You know who is seven and five, Duke,
And if Duke wins the ACC title game over Virginia,
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it blows up the ACC and nobody gets in from
the conference. How do you how do you make a
conference championship game? And if you win it a heroic
seven and five teams in the ACC championship ten and two,
Miami's not and if Duke wins, nobody gets in from
the ACC. Basically what we learned yesterday. The committee said, Yeah,
I know Miami that you beat Notre Dame, and I
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know that you're ten and two and have impressive wins.
You're not in and an hammering pit in cold weather
up north. That didn't impress us either. Okay, this is
a perfect time to go back to my ten to
twenty year rant on the ridiculousness of college football. Eight
billion dollar industry, no centralized figure, no ceo, no Dana
(02:18):
White is ridiculous, And whenever anybody says college football is
better than the NFL, no it's not. You can't have
a great movie with a bad ending. You can't have
a great movie with a bad ending. Once again, we're
left with this nebulous cloud trying to decipher what matters.
I thought scheduling big, tough road games matters. Yeah, Texas
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did see you. I thought winning big games mattered well.
Texas beat Oklahoma. That was a pretty big game. Texas
has three wins. Beat Texas A and m beat Vandy. No,
that doesn't matter because they lost to Ohio State. I
thought bad losses punished you well. Last year, Notre Dame
they made the Natty. They lost to Northern Illinois at home.
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I mean, it's unbelievable. It's just unbelievable. I mean, ask yourself,
have you ever watched the NFL playoffs and said, I
like it, but I can't quite figure it out. I mean,
occasionally in the NFL you'll have like a team of
the losing record have a home playoff game. But we
all know why. We don't have to like it, but
we know why, because they want a division and they're
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playing a team that was a wildcard team with the
better record. That happens occasionally. But the simplest way to
explain what happened last night, and again we still have
championship games to be played. The simplest way to explain
last night is Notre Dame is in and Miami and
Texas are out and Miami has an impressive win. Texas
has several, but I guess Notre Dame doesn't have a
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really really bad loss. So Texas and Miami have you know.
I mean, Texas has multiple big wins, but that Florida
loss that's the kapper, and Notre Dame doesn't really have
a great win that you could say USC. But USC
has not played well the last two years in the
Big Ten on road, cold weather games. They just haven't.
So it's funny the last thirty years in college football.
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First we had the media select who played for the Natty,
Then it was the computers, and now we're down to
an arbitrary committee where it's math meets selective feelings. Again,
whenever you argue college football is better than the pros,
what you're saying is NFL great beginning, great middle, great
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end is not as good as a movie with an
atrocious ending. Even the Lane Kiffinsaga they can't even get
their calendar right. And I love college football, so I'm
not going to hyper ventilate too much on the rankings.
I'd put Miami in. I think Texas deserves a shot.
I don't have a problem with Notre Dame being in.
But it is remarkable that Duke at seven and five
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is in the ACC championship game and if they win,
they not only don't get in, nobody in the conference does.
That is absolutely ridiculous. That's why urban Meyer came on
my show earlier this week and said, get rid of
the committee. I think the committee's got to go away.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
You have Chris Folik, you got the Bear, you got
mark Ingram, you got Matt Lioner, Brady Quinn, urban Meyer,
there's a bunch of national titles. Heisman's a bunch of
football guys. That's what they do. I mean, we'd dam
near in fistfights in that green room getting ready to
go on Big Noon because everybody's.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Got and we can't agree.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
So how in the world are Athletic Director's Conference committe?
How are they coming up with who's going to be
in this in the playoffs? So I'm a big believer
in the four four two two one one that was
presented earlier about the committee goes away, the conferences take
care of it.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I agree the ACC is this weird, convoluted Ponzi scheme.
I'm almost rooting now for Duke to meet Virginia. So
nobody gets in from the ACC we know Miami should,
and then everybody has to sit down and go this
is ridiculous. I mean it's been ridiculous forever. It used
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to be computers. Now it's math and selective feelings. Take
a deep breath. We still have championship games coming up.
Maybe it'll get better. Okay. So Ben Roethlisberger, who carries
a lot of weight with the Pittsburgh Steelers, his voice
(06:33):
carries He is now joining the fans and the media
and privately there is a discussion. There's tension between Tomlin
and the ownership. Here's Big Ben on the Mike Tomlin
future discussion.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
It's being talked about around here a lot. Maybe it's time,
Maybe it's a cleanhouse time, Maybe it is Maybe it's time.
And I like coach Tomlin. I have a lot of
respect coach Tomlin. But maybe it's best for him, him
to maybe a fresh start for him is what's best.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
This is what I agree with. Big Ben's right. Ask
yourself this Sometimes people, I would include myself in this.
I like fresh starts. Some people have to be pushed
into him. But a lot of times, be honest, did
your wife, your kids, a friend, convince you, you know
what this job. You need a fresh start. You're kind
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of getting tired, you've lost your energy, and you do it.
You got to be pushed into it ends up being
the greatest movie of your career. I think that's what
Mike Tomlin needs think about this. Since Mike Tomlin's last
playoff win, his last playoff win, Donald Trump hadn't been
inaugurated the first time show Heyo Taani was still playing
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baseball in Japan. Sam Darnold just beat Penn State in
a Rose Bowl. Kevin Durant it was his first season
with the Warriors. Sean McVeigh had not coached a single
game for the Rams. This isn't like just happening or
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in the last couple years Sam Darnold was in college.
I mean, come on, it's time. And I've said in
my career I'm not out the fire people, but when
somebody's going to get a job pretty quickly after, I
don't have a problem with it. It's time. I mean,
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this has been like a seven year leaky roof and
Pittsburgh just keeps putting buckets all over the living room
and kitchen. This offense has been dreadful bottom ten for years.
Aaron Rodgers, he'll save the day. Arthur Smith, He'll save
the day. It doesn't matter. You can keep running through
great receivers. NFL coach is not a Supreme Court justice.
(08:55):
It's not a lifetime appointment. Mike Tomlin is not a
college professor. He's not tenured. Whatever's happening in his personal life,
I don't know, and I don't care. But what I
know right now is this is a seven to eight
year leaky roof. Fix the roof. Stop just putting buckets
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around the house. Twenty twenty five Pittsburgh Steelers once again
feel out of touch with the league offensively and kind
of outdated Defensively, old defensive coaches Belichick, Pete Carroll, Mike
Tomlin a few years ago, Ron Rivera, Lovey Smith. Those
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defensive coaches do not age as well. You can. I
tend to think offensive coaches tend to be more curious.
They're play designers where you have to be. Current defensive
coaches tend to be about brute strength and aggressive, which
doesn't owe as necessarily for people or businesses or teams
age well. But if Big Ben's entered the fray, you
(10:00):
got to take it seriously. J Mac, Joel kladd In
one hour, Albert Breer, Alexi Lawless. We're gonna have the
World Cup draw on Friday, which is gonna be unbelievable.
Can't wait for that.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Hey, can I ask you real quick about this Tomlin
stuff because I'm kind of on the other side, Colin.
I've seen some of these franchises. You move off a
good coach and it may take you a while to
find a great replacement. I mean, we've seen this for quarterbacks. Yeah,
I mean, I hope you can't just save Mike.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
We're done. You need a game plan. Who you got?
Give me five names you think we could.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Realistically get to shape the franchise going forward.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Because they would all be offensive. You know, Brian Dabole
is somebody I would strongly consider. I mean to remember firing.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Domlin to hire a guy who couldn't get his act
together in New York over.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah, but New York's got worse ownership New York's front
office has Ben Wonky contextualize it. The Giants have run
through everybody. The Steelers generally aren't chaotic. They underperform, but
they haven't had a losing season in twenty one years.
When's the last time the Giants had a winning season?
So Brian Dable would be I mean, Brian Dables won
a playoff game in the last eight years with Daniel Jones,
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who Indiana or the Indianapolis Colts may regret now with
the Sauce Gardner move, why Brian Dable would be at
the top. And again, there's always a Liam Cohen out
there hunt around, There's always a Ben Johnson somewhere, But
I Brian Dable is the obvious one to me that
just jumps out.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
And do you think.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
Tomlin goes back into coaching, because, yeah, the Titans have
an opening, the Jets could have an opening, the Browns
could have.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
An opening in the division.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
I think people would be really interested. Tomlin's not quite
in the Verbel Harbaugh boat. Is he of like that
guy's gonna work? Remember those guys when they were on
the market, it was like that's a slam up.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Let me throw this one out. Mike McCarthy, all he
does is win twelve games in Green Bay in Dallas
like him, you know, I mean Mike McCarthy. Brian Dable
offensive guy. Whether you like them or not, it is
in undeniable. I mean, Brian Dable is the one that
push for Jackson Dart in New York and you're watching
Jackson Dart and it's like, oh, that's a franchise quarterback.
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Nobody the rest of the league wasn't clamoring for Jackson Dart.
So if you look at Jackson Dart's completion percentages running,
if you can stay out of the blue tent, which
by the way, Drake may first year was in the
blue ten lot guys are in the blue tent when
they're young, then they get hit a few times. End
of year two they're out of it. And I think
Jackson Dart after that hit against New England in the
first quarter, may be avoiding hits from this point forward.
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But the point is Brian Dable won a playoff game.
Brian Dable, like Jackson Dart, Brian Dabele, I think can
coach in the NFL, and he would get a less
chaotic ownership group. I think you to consider him.
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Speaker 1 (13:19):
So there is a lot of consternation, a lot of
questions by Bears fans and Bronco fans, are we any good?
And there's a lot of questions about their quarterbacks Bo
Nix and Caleb Williams, and so in Chicago they have
quarterback it's like quarterback derangement syndrome, Like they get very
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defensive if you criticize Caleb Williams. And this week, Ben
Johnson addressed the fact that his quarterback has a bizarrely
low fifty eight percent completion percentage.
Speaker 8 (14:00):
With the stats say throw those out the window. He's
doing a really good job managed in the ballgame, and
that's step number one for the quarterback, and so he's
going to continue to get better. He's doing the process
is really good right now, with how he approaches the week,
the way he's taking the coaching, the way he's applying
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the coaching. I'm very pleased with that, and I think
we're going to continue to see him ascend, whether the
stats tell the story or not.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
So, I mean, here's the thing with Caleb. He is
a big play quarterback. Bears Ley the NFL in big plays,
so is ceiling high. And he's also really inaccurate. But
instead of just talking about Caleb Williams, I'm going to
combine Caleb Williams and Bonix because they're very similar. Both talented,
both in a rookie contract, both uneven, both miss on
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some laps, both make big plays right, both have offensive
coaches Sean Payton, Ben Johnson, And yet there's a lot
of criticism of both. How are they winning? Does quarterback
play even matter anymore? How is Denver number two seed?
How is Chicago number one seed? How is b Nicks
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ten and two? Quarterback just doesn't matter? It's overrated. How
is Caleb Williams nine and three a number one seed?
It's all very explainable. Go look at their old lines,
the top four old lines in the NFL, none have
a quarterback that's making the max money. There's two ways
to win big in this league, superstar quarterback mostly taking
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a team friendly deal, or a really talented quarterback Bo
Knicks Caleb Williams on a rookie deal. So I'll give
you an example. I think what's underrated is how good
Chicago and Denver's rosters are. If you're wondering how Bo
Nicks and Caleb could potentially end up as number one
seeds and be so uneven, let me give you an
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example of how good the Bears and Broncos rosters are.
Here are the ten best players. Okay, and there are
excellent players I'm not including, and I don't care what
the order is, but I'm going kind of close. Nick Benito, Denver,
Patrick Sirtan three time pro bowler Denver. Joe Tooney, pro
(16:12):
bowler three straight years, Darnell Wright Chicago, Drew Dolman number
two rank center PFF, Garrett Bowles number two rank left
tackle Denver, who fung of the safety, unbelievable player USC
San Francisco and now in Denver, Montese sweat seven and
a half sacks, game changer since he arrived defensively in Chicago,
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Quinn miners right now, the number one guard on PFF,
Kevin Yered leaves the NFL in interceptions. I am not
including in the top ten. Do you see how many
offensive linemen we're on That Bears in Denver arguably have
the best offensive lines in football. Detroit's up there. I
didn't count Jalen Johnson, who's a pro Bowler, but he's
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been hurt most of the year, so I won't count him.
He may be the most talented defensive player. I'm not
count Zach Allen for Denver, who would start for every
single team in the NFL, every single one. So when
you're like, well, how does Bo Knicks, how does Caleb
Williams rookie contract? Really really high end offensive coaches unbelievable
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offensive lines. You don't have to complete sixty seven percent.
You can be uneven. Now what you hope is over
the next two to three years, bow gets up to
sixty six, Caleb gets up to sixty one and a half,
sixty two and a half, and all the bumps in
that uneven quarterback play. I mean, when Brady was at
his bast you got the same Tom Brady literally every
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Sunday he would throw picks. But it was the same guy.
It was the same Payton, it was the same breeze,
It's mostly the same mahomes. With these guys, you're not
quite sure quarter to quarter, half to half what you
get if that evens out, and it needs to because
as you get paid more. Think about this, how are
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these guys number one seeds. Caleb Williams' cap hit is
only fifteen percent of Dak Prescott's. Bow Nick's cap hit
is only eight percent of daks, which is a compliment
to Dak because Dak has the number one offense and
he's gobbling up so much of the money. So when
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you great offensive coach, great offensive line, fairly underappreciated, stacked rosters,
Dad explains it. And they're both good. Bow and Caleb
are really talented guys. They're uneven. You just got to
iron out the bumps and that's when the Super Bowl happens,
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eventually potentially for both. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
No news, This is the herd line news.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
All right, Let's start in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, Colin. Obviously,
Bill Belichick's first season did not go as expected. However,
reports indicate that the school will keep him quote for
at least one more season. Not a resounding vote of confidence,
but Carolina went four and eight, five double digit losses.
(19:12):
Reports claim it would be about thirty million three zero
million to buy out Belichick and his staff.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
I don't mind himitting. I was way off on Belichick.
I had faith in the old man.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
I thought he could deliver, and he got sidetracked by
the young lady.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Now, J Mack, there's only one. There's only one old man.
You can count on me.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
In a football sense.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
I mean, yeah, maybe Belichick's been disappointing.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
Pete Carroll's been disappointing.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
It kind of feels like the last ride for both
those dudes, right.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, I mean I think one thing their offense was
really bad, Well so was New England's and the two carryovers.
Bill knows offense, but he's not good at diagramming it,
calling it, or drafting it. So what did you notice
about Carolina that you know noticed about New England the
last several years? There's no playmakers. I don't think Bill
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has an eye for it, a touch for it, a
field for it, or a sensibility for it. I think
his sensibility and touches defense and leadership and culture. And
I do think they got better. But the offense for Carolina,
I watched them twice early in the season and I'm like,
it's a bad team. They got no playmakers that I
watched Carolina. I watched New England last four years when
Brady in Law left in Josh McDaniels, he has no
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feel for offense. He has a great feel, maybe the
best ever for defense. And the world has pivoted away
from Bill. It's an offensive sport college and pro.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
And remember this is in a league, the ACC where
like the conference championship game is Virginia against Duke Like
this was a week league in Belichick only went four
to eight. Not great at all. All Right, let's go
back to the NFL and the New York Football Giants.
I think they were a disaster this season. They fired
aa ble Kafka. Seems like he doesn't know what he's
doing yet. Somehow Colin GM Joe Shane is still employed.
(21:00):
He had a press conference yesterday and he was grilled
about how he still has a job.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Here's what he had to say. This is in place, Dan,
and I understand the question.
Speaker 8 (21:10):
And I do have confidence in our ability and our
process to find the next coach.
Speaker 9 (21:14):
To lead the organization.
Speaker 8 (21:16):
And again, I truly believe in that process, and you know,
I know.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
We're going to get it right.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
He looks the part hair combed.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
We're in the quarter zip and just his history in
New York has been a disaster from sa Quon Barkley.
By the way, did you see his first round pick
of Duel Carter. He got benched again against the Patriots.
I don't know what's going on with that guy in.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
The locker room.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
He's a good player, but New York is like a knucklehead. Yeah,
I don't know. I don't know. He's a very very
good player. I have told you this before. I do
not think the Giants are miles away. I don't. I
think their receivers, even without Molik Neighbors, have been kind
of surprisingly good. They need to go out and get
Scatterboo back and probably get a risk another back. I
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think their offensive line is better. Jackson Dart appears to
be a franchise guy. They've got a couple of rush ends.
I like. I think if they went out and nailed
their first two or three picks. I think if they
went and got a number one corner, a number one
defensive tackle, they got to add somebody along with Scataboo
at running back, because I don't think Jackson Dart's going
to be a guy that throws it forty times a game.
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He's a little dangerous, he's a little cocky, a little
too confident at times. For me, He's gonna throw picks
if you can give him help like the Bears have given,
by the way, like the Bears have given Kayleb Williams
great run game. So I get Scataboo back, I would
go third, fourth round pick. I'd go another. Remember Scataboo
was not a first round pick. They're not paying him
anything for several years. So I don't think they're miles away.
(22:43):
And in that division, where's Washington. I mean, Philadelphia may
have a new coach by next year, So I don't
think the Giants are miles away. Now, New England they
got hammered. I watched him previous three or four weeks
and they were frisky. They can't beyond me. They're playing hard.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
Okay, you've taken me for a loop here. I was
gonna trash Shane because he's been awful, as I mean
from paying Daniel Jones, which would say regretted instantly, and
so moving off Saquon Barkley. Look, fine, let's move past
that right now. Do you believe ownership will keep Joe
Shane after the season.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yes, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
Well, you know that's great news for the Jets, because
I'll tell you right now, the New York Jets are
in a better spot football wise than the Giants are this.
Giants are close. The Jets have so many draft picks, Colin, what's.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
It matter when you get him and don't know what
to do with them? Yeah, Sam Dark, you mean.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
Like the Giants.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
I mean, listen, we had Sam darl way back in
the day. But wow, you're optimistic on the Giants, Eagles, Cowboys,
Washington has Jadon Daniels.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
You got the worst quarterback in the division. Good look,
Oh my goodness, I can't pull.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
There must be a Jets thing, That's what it is.
Final story, Colin, Mike Vrabel, your boy. He had an
awesome quote yesterday. He was talking about that hit that
Christian Ellis laid on Jackson Dark. Oh god, watch thirty
seven times. It's hard to watch I love that. That's
football right there.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Baby.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Anyways, here's Rabel talking about this hit not being dirty,
and he's coaching his players to keep an eye on
quarterbacks in bounce.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
If we show that to Drake and our defenders are
being coached the same way. When I say we better not.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Get cued over there by the sidelines because this is legal,
I turn around and tell the defense if this is happening,
you know, we need to try to knock out of
him as legally as possible.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
No, that's right.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
Damn.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
How the Patriots fell backwards into Rabel is just so unfair.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
They are. They're not going anywhere for the next decade.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Rabel and May. How about that division, Josh Allen Drake May,
good luck. If you're a Dolphin or a Jet fan.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
Well, we got Aaron Glenn so so far, that's a start,
and then maybe we'll get Mendoza, maybe a little Ty Simpson.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
I've worked Jets into two stories in this hour.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
How about that we go.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
That's a that's a win.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
J Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping that the
herd Line news.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
So tomorrow Thursday, Thursday Night football is a great one.
There's a lot of stinkers on Thursday night football. Tomorrow
is a great one Dallas at the Detroit Lions, and
it is a This is what I love about the NFL.
I think this is one of the NFL's strains, maybe
it's greatest strength. It is a great reminder how fast,
(25:25):
how quickly things change in the NFL. Last year Lions
win fifteen games. They may miss the playoffs. Dallas a
month ago, tire fire, they may make the playoffs. No
sport gives you this. Last year the Lions were an
offensive juggernaut seventeenth now on third down and can't pick
(25:47):
up fourth down. That was their culture. It's unbelievable. So
you know, there's the old People were banging on Lane
Kiffin this week and LSU, but it's always been the truth.
Strike when the iron is and never settle. Old Miss
Lane Kiffin's like, I'm settling. LSU is not settling. So
(26:08):
this goes back. Why is Detroit going backwards? Did the
players get worse? No, they settled. They had the best
offensive coordinator in football. He left, he's now got Chicago
as a elite team, and they settled on an in
house candidate who may be more than capable, but he's
(26:28):
not Ben Johnson. And I've said, the greater the coordinator
or coach, you lose, the broader the search has to
be to replace him. You know, we all know that
Steve Jobs forced him out of Apple. You better get
the next Steve Jobs or you're gonna be begging ten
years later for Steve Jobs, the late Steve Jobs to
come back, which Apple was doing. Like I said, if
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you gonna if you're gonna fire James Franklin at Penn State,
I said, Okay, won a lot of games. Now they
can't find a coach. Very The answer for fans is
fire everybody. And the answer for fans in the media
is hire the friendly guy everybody likes. Michigan football did.
That doesn't quite look the same, does it? Two years
later and Detroit had great coordinators Aaron Glenn, Ben Johnson
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and they stayed in house. And so you know, ninety
percent of Americans, I think, and it's not a bad thing,
but are very content being good. But if you'll want
to be great, if you want to hoist trophies, there's
two things you have to do. You can't settle, and
you have to be aggressive. Because if you're not aggressive,
(27:37):
you're like ninety percent of Americans who aren't aggressive, and
you'll be somewhere in the pack, slightly below, middle of
it or slightly above. And Detroit settled and Dallas, by
the way, took massive swings. Dallas plays it. They traded Mica.
It gave them flexibility. Jerry the deal maker, Quinnon Williams,
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that's a huge swing. So Dallas and Detroit are different.
Dallas settled. If they lose their they're not going to
make the playoffs. Detroit settled. If they lose their out
of the place. Dallas took huge swings and risk, and
if they win, start looking at their schedule. Guys start
(28:22):
looking at Dallas's schedule. And I think Jerry is a
deal maker. And when and I said this for years,
when he traded Micah Parsons, it was so easy and
ninety percent of the media, ninety five percent said, oh Dallas,
terrible move. I said, you got to give deal makers
the opportunity to make deals. This year, the Rams, the Eagles,
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and the Cowboys have made huge moves, aggressive acquisitions. Two
are doing really well, Two will make the playoffs, and
Dallas may. So it's really interesting the the you juxtaposed
the Lions and the cowboy Boys. One settled, one took
a huge swing, And who would you rather be today?
(29:05):
Ask yourself, who would you rather be over the next
two years. I got Dak Prescott, George Pickens, I got
Ceedee Lamb. I got a run stopping defense with an
elite defensive tackle, and Kenny Clark as well. Demarvin Overshown
has emerged as a stud. And I have two first
(29:27):
round picks, and I'll probably go get a Caleb Downs
and an edge rusher. And my coach is overachieving at
this point. I mean so, I think it's a fascinating game,
and it's a reminder of why the NFL is king.
It is the League of optimism and the League of hope.
Four weeks ago, one of these teams was circling the
(29:49):
train four or five weeks ago, and before the quinnin
Williams trade, Dallas defense didn't look like this and Detroit
was humming. Now look at it. Oh, and don't forget this.
Here's another thing that Tyler Booker. Remember everybody made fun
of that Tyler Booker move, that trade by Dallas or
(30:10):
not trade that he was the twelfth pick in the draft.
Everybody's like, oh, I want to reach. Do you see
a matchup against Jalen Carter? Pretty good as a rookie
is a twelve pick. So things are hummon for the
Dallas Cowboys. Okay, I do it about every five weeks,
about once a month, maybe once every five weeks, I
(30:30):
do a Super Bowl Bubble. And this year's bubble is
our strangest and skinniest ever, and we'll talk about that next.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays
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Speaker 5 (30:50):
For the first time in conference history, Number one and
number two collide in the Big Ten title game ice
in Front Runners collide as Julian Saying leads Number one
Ohio State against Fernando Mendoza and number two Indiana. Coverage
begins Saturday at six point thirty Eastern on Fox.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I like Ohio State by ten points. The two touchdowns.
Let me stay in college football for a second. So
the College Football Playoff, it's not finished the twelve teams yet,
so we've got multiple conference championships. But I think the
thing most troubling I'll talk to Joel clad about this
is the message is sent. So like Miami does not
get in, but Miami's got like a quality win over
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Notre Dame. And Miami you'd say, has a bad loss
to Louisville. Yes, bad loss, but the SMU loss is
not a terrible loss. SMU made the playoff. Last year,
SMU was eight and four. This year. SMU beat Miami
in Clemson this year. SMU is a fine football program.
It's not great. It's pretty solid eight and four and
(31:53):
it was a close game twenty six to twenty. Miami
is getting punished for a really bad loss to Louisville. Okay,
Notre Dame doesn't have a bad loss. They've got losses
to Miami and Texas A and M. But what's their
quality win to sixteenth rand USC? But it was at
home that matters. USC has two different programs. There's the
(32:15):
La Trojans, right like in La hammered Michigan, and then
there's the on the road Trojans, who last year lost
to Maryland, could struggle with Rutgers and kind of get
blown out a lot on the road in the Big Ten,
get handled. So what's the messaging? Like Texas has multiple
excellent wins throttled Texas A and m throttled Vandy throttled Oklahoma,
(32:42):
and they lost three road games. The closest lost to
Ohio State. Losing to Georgia is a game they don't
match up well with. Yeah, Florida's an ugly loss. So
what the messaging to me says is, you can't have
a really really bad loss. But Notre Dame last year
lost at home to Northern Illinois. That's an atrojan's loss.
Made it in and made it to the Natty. So
(33:02):
it's I just think. You know, there was a coach
named Mike Leach. He was a very funny guy. It
was a very unique, clever guy, and he has passed away.
But before he did, when he found out college football,
you know, was going to go to this playoff and
it was going to be selected by a committee, Mike
Leach understood what was going to happen down the road.
Speaker 9 (33:26):
We're so smart. Wouldn't all the other sports say I
don't want let's have a committee, you know, because why not?
Because you know we're American. We love committees. Let's get
us a committee. Well, who should be on the committee? Well,
I don't know. This guy's a good guy, Let's have
him on the committee.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I mean, it'd be fun.
Speaker 9 (33:45):
We'd go to that resort, we could talk, we could
hang out at dinner, and then we'll decide which four
teams should go because you know why, we don't need
to solve this on the field, because we're the ones
that know.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
And that's the problem with committees. There's a lot of cronyism.
I mean, you can have relationships with people for twenty
years and not favor them, right Like, that's just not
the way the world works. So I think the messaging
bothers me. I am not anti or pro Miami or
(34:20):
Notre Dame, but if you both have two losses, at
least Miami is a complete ACC member. You know, Notre
Dame is still like, all right, we'll kind of well,
kind of play in the ACC, but we want to
do our own thing. I mean, couldn't I argue if
Notre Dame and Miami are tied and Miami won head
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to head, that because you're a full member, that's an advantage.
You have to play more games that you don't control.
Notre Dame controls a bigger percentage of their schedule. Miami doesn't.
They're a conference member. You get stuck some years with
tough schedules. I mean, let's face it, if Miami plays
SMU at Hull instead of the Row, they probably win
(35:03):
that game and they're in so and I don't think
head to head is the only thing. But I said yesterday,
Miami's got the better defense, Miami's got a better passing game.
They have four common opponents, Miami beat three worse. So
I mean it's I feel bad for Miami, I really do.
I I like the program. I like the spirit. It's
(35:23):
a flashy program. Not a lot of flashy college football
programs Miami, USC or count flashy. It's not anti Notre Dame.
I said, if they played today, I'd probably take Notre Dame.
But I don't think you should allow people in based
on what calling things would happen if they played again. Right,
that's not the right way to do it. Okay. So
I do a Super Bowl bubble every four or five weeks,
(35:46):
and usually the average has been through the years, I
have about seven or eight teams late in the year
that I think can reach the Super Bowl. It's not
about winning it, it's reaching it. So I did this.
I did it, and there's only three teams that I
feel real strongly about that they're going to reach the
super Bowl, potentially Rams Green Bay in New England, Denver.
(36:11):
I've got in the bubble, but bumping out of the bubble,
I just don't know if I trust them. Can you
be a team that's that uneven offensively and get there.
Philadelphia is actually in the bubble. They are touching the bubble.
They are making slight contact with the bubble, so they're
in the bubble. But I would just say if Congress
(36:34):
voted on it, nobody would like them. They would be,
you know, kind of a Marjorie Taylor Greenfield like, nobody's
quite sure what's going on there. In out We're not sure.
Maybe out in a week. Nobody really knows. Philly's in
the bubble. There's contact with the bubble. They're kind of
the bubble. So I want to concentrate on the four
teams I put just outside of the bubble, Chicago, Seattle, Buffalo,
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San France. I believe there are fatal flaws that eliminates
you even if you have a good record, So let's
start with the forty nine ers. The forty nine ers
have a fatal flaw. They don't sack the quarterback. They
are last in defensive sacks this year thirteen games, only sixteen.
No team has ever won a Super Bowl last in sacks,
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and Fred Warner and Nick Bosa are not coming back
the Bills. The Bills can't defend the run no matter
who gets healthy. They're thirtieth in run defense. Only one team,
Peyton Mannings two thousand and six, Tolls have won a
Super Bowl being a bottom five run defense. I think
it killshit, Josh Allen sitting on the sidelines. Let's talk
(37:47):
to Seahawks. They turn it over too much. No team
has ever won a Super Bowl. Bottom three in giveaways,
Seattle's number two. Only the Vikings have given away the
ball more, and that's because the quarterback play is just
too reckless. And the Bears. You have to go back
to Eli Manning two thousand and seven, when a quarterback
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had a completion percentage at fifty eight percent or lower
and won a Super Bowl. Now, it was a different time.
Fifty six percent didn't sound as bad as fifty eight
percent does now. Now, Caleb Williams could get up to
sixty percent, which is kind of the threshold I'm looking
for in his last several games. But I think the
(38:31):
strangest team in the league is Philadelphia. We love their roster.
They should be a Super Bowl team. I'm not sure
what to do with them. They're playing terribly on offense.
They've got incredible personnel at wide receiver, at corner, at
defensive line, at linebacker, at running back, at tight end,
(38:51):
and they're a mess and I'm not sure their head
coach can fix it. So jaymckam, I'm missing anybody here?
Count the Eagles in because they're making contact with the bubble.
Anybody I'm missing here?
Speaker 6 (39:04):
Well, I like to come in fresh.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
So I didn't see this before it was posted, and
my eyes popped when I saw that the two AFC
teams in the Super Bowl bubble are b Nicks and
Drake may Like.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
I'm stunned.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
No, Ravens, I cannot believe that nobody in the building.
Had you force feed the Chiefs onto like touching the bubble.
I mean, these are some bad teams, Colin, I think
Buffalo should be touching the bubble.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
By the way, nice political analogy there.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Earlier.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
There's just not enough AFC here.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
I can't Denvers in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
I just can't. Well, it's a hurdle.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Okay, for the previous five years we thought the AFC
was better. It's not. NFC now is better. I think
Seattle could get to the AFC Championship game. I think
Chicago could, the Niners could, the Eagles could, the Rams could,
the Packers could. I mean, I just I cannot. I
think the team that people think I'm hard on his Buffalo,
(40:05):
But you can't struggle against the run because the way
Buffalo is going to beat you is Josh Allen and
James Cook. If you're sitting on the bench and losing
time of possession, that's the killer. That's always been the
way to beat Mahomes and that's why Kansas City is
generally By the way, why is Kansas City losing all
those one possession games this year? Nick Write said it yesterday.
(40:28):
They can't stop anybody on third down. That's what Buffalo
is struggling with on third and three. People just like
we're running it. And a lot of the teams that
they could play in the A, I mean, the Buffalo's
got one advantage. They do run the ball very very well.
That usually helps in December January football, that's really and
Denver's run game is hit and miss, and New England's
run game is hit and miss. If you love Buffalo,
(40:51):
this is the one thing you like football. The next
six weeks, run games matter. Bears, Niners, Seahawks.
Speaker 6 (41:00):
Again, Colin. Remember you've got to walk before you run.
Speaker 5 (41:03):
And all the sports, especially in the postseason, we've never
seen really bo Nicks outside of one playoff game, Drake May.
We don't know what these guys are going to look
like in the playoffs. So that's why it's difficult for
me to envision boom. You get in the playoffs and
you go to the super Bowl, it's just hard. I
don't see it with those guys.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
All Right, there you go. Kansas City was not force
fed by management.
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