December 17, 2025 • 40 mins
Colin Cowherd breaks down a thrilling NBA Cup Final as Jalen Brunson and the New York Knicks brought home the win over Victor Wembanyama and the San Antonio Spurs, crediting the NBA for taking a bold swing and creating a must-watch event. Colin explains why the league’s willingness to innovate is paying off—despite criticism from traditionalists—and what the NBA Cup means for the future of the sport
He also explains why he thinks Bears QB Caleb Williams and Broncos QB Bo Nix are basically the some player
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Here we go. It is a Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
We are live in Chicago. It's The Herd. Wherever you
may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for
making us part of your day. You know, it's interesting
as there's people out there. One of the things I've
learned over the course of my life, people that complain a.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Lot don't create a lot. So a rule I try.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
To make part of my life is I surround myself
with creators and not complainers. It's just a psychology, a
psychological truth. It's a psychological truth. I mean Harvard's done
study optimists are more successful in life professionally than pessimists.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
So when anybody rips on.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
The NBA taking a stab with the NBA Cup, I'm like,
you don't even watch the league. You're just a complainer,
which means you're not a creator, which means you're a pessimist,
not an optimist. No thanks, I don't want that life.
So last night I'm watching the NBA Cup and I'm like,
the NBA got more wem beyond TV and more New
York Knicks on TV.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I'm for it. Baseball did this.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
They put baseball games in London, the Yankees, Red Sox,
the Mets, Phillies. They put him in a cornfield. They
put him in Bristol Mortar Speedway. Rob Manfred took six
or seven swings. I mean, baseball's on a two to
three year heater. The games feel bigger, faster. I like
the NBA Cup. I think the editor about two weeks ago.
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I'm walking through an area and there's six TVs on
and one of the courts is bright purple, and I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah,
these games are different. I think it's smart. And I
watched the players play last night.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
And they're into it.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I mean they were more into this than they were
during COVID playing games in Orlando where everybody missed their family.
I think the players are into it. So all these
regular seasons, the NHL, the MLS baseball, the NBA baseball
strangely has been the most progressive and the most willing
to take big swings. Kind of push that way by
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Fox Sports or managements like create events and they work
and they get TV ratings and they get people talking.
But like hockey created the Four Nations tournament. I think
it was a massive hit. It was a shockingly big hit.
So Silicon Valley is the most innovative place, maybe in
the world, certainly in America. Their hit rate is probably
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about fifteen percent. Take a swing. Avoid people who criticize
stuff yet don't consume it. Like rural Guy in the
South ripping California. The weather's perfect and the economy is
the fourth biggest in the world. I think California's doing Okay,
rural Guy, maybe go there more than once a life
for Disney. Okay, So I watched the NBA Cup. I
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don't know how good the Knicks are. They don't have
much of a bench, they don't defend the three. I
always feel like Carl Anthony Towns and Jalen Brunson on
the floor against the better coach teams are a bit
of a defensive liability, and Brunson didn't shoot particularly well.
Og had a great night but I feel like the
four leading odds to win the NBA Championship are all
out West, and so I just don't know if the
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Knicks can match an Okay See, well they can't okay
see or at Denver.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I don't know if they can.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
But it felt like last night, big third quarter run,
thirteen to one run, they were into it. The league
is trying to create, like Baseball, some memorable events.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
The Knicks have a new head coach.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
This may be the biggest championship they went over the
next several years.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
But it's a swing.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
It's something I saw Yannis win this thing, Lebron win it.
Now the Knicks win it, and you can't tell me
the league's not happy with it. I don't know again
how viable the Knicks are in the playoffs, but optimists
are more successful than pessimists. And I think Jalen Brunson
and Adam Silver both liked it here.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
They are a game like this, an environment like this.
You don't really see her on the NBA too often,
and so we got to take advantage of the experience
that we got here. I mean, those guys will I
don't think we're having a parade one to the City
of New York. I think it's good that we that
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we won this. I think it's good that we were
able to the way we won it. I think it's
special as well.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Well.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
With working is we wanted more games of consequence than
the players respond to the fans that responding. Players are
definitely responding to the competition. Look at the teams that
are here, the games that we saw on Saturday night,
you know, and across the board. I think it's becoming
a new tradition in the league.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yeah, I'm never going to criticize one of these sports
leagues for taking swings. You know, Rob Manfred. Baseball's always
been one that, you know, rests on its tradition and lore.
And Rob Manfred's taken a lot of heat and he's like,
we're gonna speed the game up. Bigger bases, regular season,
put a guy on second base, no defensive shift, and
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the traditionalists don't love it. Baseball is so much more
consumable today than it was five years ago, not even close.
You can turn in for forty five minutes and get three,
four innings and the NBA Cup, the weird floors. I
like the swing, I really do. I appreciate it, and
I think the Knicks did too.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
All Right, So I've been.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Saying that you can't love Caleb Williams of the Bears
and not love Bo Nicks of Denver if you look
at their first two years in the NFL, they both
have really, really elite, demanding offensive coaches. So it's not
like one has a great coach and one has a bump.
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I'm putting this on the screen for our television viewer, sorry, radio.
They're the same quarterback through two years now. Caleb's got
the bigger arm and Bo's a little bit more accurate
on the twelve yards.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
In understuff swing passes.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
But the Next Gen came out with a stat this
morning which doubles down and validates what I've been saying
all year. Caleb and Bo they're really the same guy,
one with a bigger arm. They're even about the same height,
hyper athletic, very coachable, strangely great in the fourth quarter,
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a little uneven, demanding head coach. So Next Gen came
out with a stat of the fastest quarterback runs this year.
Here they are in order, Caleb one, bow Knicks two,
Caleb three, Caleb four, Bo Nicks five, Caleb six. I
was mocked yesterday saying Bo Nicks reminds me of a young,
right handed Steve Young. Steve Young was the fastest quarterback
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when he played. So I saw bo Nicks in college
live twice on TV thirty times, and I kept saying,
this guy is like super athletic, and now you're seeing
it Lamar. I don't know what's happened to Lamar, but
he doesn't feel quite as dynamic bow and Caleb, and
look at their teams. I'm telling you you can't love
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one without the other. We're spending so much time because
Chicago's a big market, a very loud media, I kind
of feel like I'm getting the same guy demanding coach durable,
don't take sacks. At least this year, Caleb's not taking
sacks better in big games, better in the fourth quarter,
which is almost never the case with young quarterbacks. They're
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usually good on script, early, bad late in crisis. These
two are really special. I think everybody knows Caleb is special.
People are reluctant with Bo Nick. Love them both. And
here is Caleb on his biggest game, maybe as a pro,
against Green Bay this weekend.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
We've played teams that have a bunch of wins. We
played teams that don't. We've played close games, We've played
games where we've beaten teams by a lot. We've played,
you know, teams, teams where we had to win with
special teams offense, defense, whatever case, running ball, whatever case.
And so I feel that we're, you know, we're ready
for just about anything. Hot weather, cold weather, whatever the
case may be. We're gonna go out there and and
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go out there and fight. I do know that, and
and I like our chances us first anybody.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
And I think both Denver and bow and Chicago and Caleb.
If you look at the rosters, the coaching and what
these teams do well, they're built for the playoffs. This
is these aren't warm weather teams that are finas and
they're throwing the ball over the top. My Super Bowl
bubble as of this morning, and I usually have about
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seven teams in it, my Super Bowl bubble has the Rams, Seattle,
and Denver as the teams that should be favored in
my Super Bowl bubble, and then the Bears, Patriots, Texans,
and the Bills may have a flaw that I don't love.
I have the Chargers Niners in Eagles out of the bubble,
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but close. Based on what I view as an issue
that's not correctable. O line for the Chargers will eventually
be their doom defense. Saula is doing an unbelievable job,
but it's just not good enough to win multiple playoff games.
And I think you have a head coach coordinator issue
in Philadelphia. I don't care how good the roster is.
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They've been broken since Week one. This is not like
a recent trend. They haven't had back to back great
offensive games all year. Jmack thoughts on that Super Bowl
bubble that has both Caleb.
Speaker 7 (09:59):
And Nicks and no defending Super Bowl champion Eagles.
Speaker 8 (10:04):
At first blush, you know it's funny.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
I was talking about this with someone of my podcasts
last week, Colin, I don't understand who the clear favorites
are right now.
Speaker 8 (10:12):
The league is so wide open heading into.
Speaker 7 (10:14):
These playoffs that at first blush, I don't totally hate
this Super Bowl bubble.
Speaker 8 (10:19):
I know people are scoffing. I come on, Broncos.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
If the Broncos made the Super Bowl, I wouldn't be shocked.
It's so wide open. The Chiefs have fallen off badly.
No Joe Burrow. We don't even know if Lamar Jackson's
getting in. I think it's why this is the most
wide open I think it's been in probably a decade, right,
maybe longer.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Yeah, what happens is the Keno winning super Bowls. You know,
this is either having a superstar quarterback who takes a
bit of a team friendly deal. This year's Matt Stafford
and the Rams, yeah right right, or having a really
gifted rookie quarterback a ma homes for years on a
rookie deal and you can supplant the roster and load
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it up. Socago's roster, you and I have it on
this all year. Chicago's rosters excellent. I mean, receivers tight,
they're O lines, one of the best O lines in football.
They safety corner. So if you start looking at this,
it's Matt Stafford taking a team friendly deal, Sam Darnold
taking a team friendly deal, and then you have Drake May,
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Caleb Williams, bow Nicks on.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Rookie deals, Stroud as well, c J. Stroud as well.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
The only exception I have in there is Josh Allen,
and I've got them closer to being out because I'm
gonna wait till Ed Oliver gets back on the d line.
There's a lot of talk that'll that'll help their defensive line,
it'll help their their run defense. But if you look
at the teams in the bubble, Sam Darnold, by the way,
very team friendly deal. So this idea that you can
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have Mahomes or Josh Allen, but if you're paying fifty
million that's the cap hit, then the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
O Lione stinks and the Bill defense thinks.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
So I think I think Caleb Drake May and bow
Nicks and in fact, I honestly, because the Patriots spent
at three hundred million in free agency, they don't have
a lot of megastars. But New England also doesn't have
a lot of holes on this team, because I mean,
let's be honest, they plugged him up in free agency.
Speaker 7 (12:19):
Yeah, and Josh Allen and the Bill, Josh Allen's the
only highly paid quarterback in there. I mean, Stafford, you said,
is getting paid. But Josh Allen is superman. He's clearly
the best quarterback in the league right now. I won't
accept any other answers. I think someone else might win
the MVP. But what Josh Allen's doing with the Bills
like other than James Cook. Who's their next best offensive player?
Is it Dion Dawkins?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Let mean yeah, well name their splash players on defense
at Oliver.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
It kind of ends with that, yeah.
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Speaker 1 (13:25):
People say certain things and they're just not true, but
they believe them. They double down on them, they triple
the quadruple down one of those and a lot of
these old defensive coaches they have not stayed current. They
are so burdened, bothered, paralyzed by a quarterback who throws
interceptions this whole. Sam Darnold throws too many picks. As
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long as your production is high, I don't have a
problem with picks.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
I don't have to love them, but.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I'd rather you have picks and throw the ball down
the field. What do these seven quarterbacks have in common Shallen,
Sam Darnold, Dak Mahomes, Trevor Lawrence, Justin Herbert bow Knicks.
They're all in the top eleven of interceptions this year.
The fewest, by the way, is like Jared Goff and
Matt Stafford. But their pocket based quarterbacks that don't create
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anything outside of structure. I prefer playmakers outside of structure.
In fact, Matt Stafford, the year he won the Super
Bowl with the Rams, led the NFL in interceptions, and
in fact, in the Super Bowl he threw two of
them and still won. From nineteen ninety eight to twenty fifteen,
do you know who led the NFL in interceptions?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Peyton Manning, and he missed a year.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I'm telling you, folks, for the last six teams that
have won a Super Bowl, the winning quarterback threw a
pick in the Super Bowl. Bo Knicks is a great
example of this. Bow Knicks has nine picks this year.
Speaker 7 (14:55):
Whoa.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
But when trailing, he has sixteen touchdowns in one pick.
When do you throw them? You know, don't throw him
in the red zone, which takes away guaranteed points. But
if you're at midfield, throw it deep down the sideline.
Then it gets picked at the nine. That's better than
the punter could do. It's a change of possession. Brock Purty.
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One of the things I'll defend brock Purty about. He's
super aggressive. He threw a lot of picks in college.
He throws picks in the NFL. Kyle Shanan loves him
because he takes a swing. So this Sam Donald narrative,
you can't win big with Sam Darnald. Last two years
he leads the NFL and wins. If you go back
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to Sam Donald the Carolina years and you pick it
up late November because he sat for the first time
in his career, take the Jets out. He sat in
Carolina when he started playing late November.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
From that day until now three.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Different teams, he's the winning his quarterback in the league
and has a higher one hundred plus passer rating percentage
than Mahomes. So also quarterbacks who throw more often, throw
more picks. The Eagles are literally trying to get Jalen
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Hurts to throw fewer times because they win more and
when he throws less, that's what I don't want. I
like Trevor Lawrence, Josh Allen Dak, the coaching staff, trust them.
Think about Seattle. Seattle is so much better this year
than last. And that's letting go of a Pro Bowl receiver,
DK Metcalf. What was the only change? Sam Darneld and
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a new coordinator. You guys watched the Vikings offense this year.
Doesn't quite feel as consistent or dynamic, does it.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
What happened? One major change?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Quarterback left, same coach, same coordinators, same wide receiver, same
old line, a lot of the same defensive players. They
lost Darnald. So this whole thing Hayton Manning in a
seventeen year period led the NFL and picks Andrew Luck
a lot of picks for the last six Super Bowl
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winning teams. The quarterback to a pick in the game,
the world has changed. If you can make plays with
your feet and move the chains, you're a playmaker. It's
not just now about safe distribution. Here's Sam Darnold.
Speaker 10 (17:25):
We're excited about this challenge. Obviously it's a divisional game,
you know, playing these guys last time, obviously it wasn't
my best effort. You know. I feel like as an offense,
we just got to continue to do what we've been
we've been practicing, you know, stand the details. But again,
this team's a very good, very good defense.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
It's a very good team.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
It's interesting in a game in which he had four picks,
go back and look at the end of the game,
the Seahawks were moving for the win because Sam makes
so many big plays. I mean, think about Seattle's offense
got rid of dk Metcalf did draft a really good
left guard, but it's basically Darnald and a new coordinator.
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JSN was on it the year before. I'm gonna take
big swings, aggressive quarterbacks who throw occasional picks every day
of the week, over underneath safeguy every day of the week.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
J Mack with a news no, no turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 8 (18:31):
Well, Colin, let's start with a quarterback who throws a
lot of interceptions and he just got binged.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
And that's two.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
The Miami Dolphins announced this morning that Quinn Ewers, the
rookie out of Texas once I mean, highly acclaimed high
school superstar.
Speaker 8 (18:46):
He will start this week against the Cincinnati Bengals. Now listen, I.
Speaker 7 (18:50):
Don't act like I saw this coming or anything, but
I told you before the show last night, I bet
Cincinnati it was like minus two. Because of Mike McDaniel's
comments yesterday, he openly said I gotta watch it tape.
He looked ticked off. I thought we'd get Zach Wilson.
It might be worse we get quinn Ewers against the Bengals.
Speaker 8 (19:06):
This is team has anything to play for.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
This is another I'm telling you the Miami Dolphins, this
should be the guide book on how to get rid
of a coach. Potentially, so they fire the GM who
gave the extension to Tua and it had really frankly,
you don't bring in Tua, spend all your money on
wide receivers. The GM needed to be fired. Now they
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benched the quarterback. If you have to move to it,
you don't want him banged up, you want him healthy.
You bring in the less ready backup, quinn Ewers instead
of Zach Wilson. Zach today would probably be better than
Quin yours, virtually guaranteeing a lost to Cincy, New England
and the Bucks. So you're going to end up being
what six and eleven? Your current eleventh pick probably ends
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up like the seventh pick, eighth pick, giving you more
draft ammunition to move down or get a better player.
This is how you do it. You don't fire a
coach for the record. Whoever they get a quarterback, maybe
yours lights it up.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
I doubt it, but maybe he does.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Whatever you settle on at quarterback, you and I would
both agree you'd want to give him a young, creative,
offensive coach, which McDaniels is.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
So my take on this is the way to do it.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I agree with every I would have fired the GM,
I would have benched to it. I would have played yours.
Speaker 8 (20:29):
I'm with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
Is a great take. This is a soft tank. That's
let's just call it what it is, an intelligent tank,
an intelligent tank. And Washington's doing the same. Jayden Daniels,
he could probably play where you gonna sit him down, Okay,
to New York Jets. My jets, Hey, Justin Fields is
dinged up.
Speaker 8 (20:45):
Then we're gonna go.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
Tyren Taylor, No, No, we're going to this rookie from
Missouri who knows what he's ever heard of.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (20:49):
We're not trying to win games, but we want to
see what we've got, Colin, we got.
Speaker 8 (20:53):
We gotta see what these young guys a.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
That's right.
Speaker 8 (20:55):
I do want to go on to too. Just for
a second.
Speaker 7 (20:59):
I don't think Mike McDaniel and him were like a
failure in Miami.
Speaker 8 (21:03):
Remember he took over for Brian Floores.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
It was a dumpster fire floor as wanted nothing to
do with Tua. McDaniel makes the playoffs twice with Tua,
So like that is kind of impressive in Miami.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Yeah, I said this yesterday.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
There's an argument he overachieved with Tua. Okay, Tua at
one point led the NFL and completion percentage.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Passing yards.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Tua in a and just forget the sport in a
conference with mahomes Lamar Josh Allen Herbert. So you can
argue he overachieved. But what happened with Tua is what
happened to Russell Wilson and what is happening to Kyler Murray.
Small quarterbacks fall off a cliff physically. Remember Russell Wilson
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were like, what the hell happened?
Speaker 8 (21:48):
But he got his thirties, was still in his twenties.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
He has regressed badly in the last year. When you
watch Tua play little guys, do you think Tua could
withstand the justin her this season?
Speaker 8 (22:01):
No way. I mean he looks afraid to run.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
And I heard this first year on Kyler Murray at Arizona.
I talked to a pro ball pass rusher who played
Kyler Murray his rookie year, and he told me I
bumped into him. Actually A bumped into him a place
in LA where athletes hang out, and we were talking
about Kyler Murray. I said, what do you make of him?
He goes, I sacked him, he winced, he goes. I
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guarantee you he does not like his heart is not
into this thing.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
He goes.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I've never heard the sounds he makes when I hit
a quarterback, Like big guys shrug it off. Little guys,
they're like in pain. These little quarterback. By the way,
Jackson Dart, I wish he was a little bigger, spends
all his time in the blue ten. So Tua and
Russell Wilson kind of inexplicably fell off a cliff its size.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
You know, you can look at some of the gambling lines,
like Tua for a rushing touchdown every game.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
Is like plus six thousand. Basically it's never.
Speaker 7 (22:59):
Gonna And then you look and he scrabbled I think
once for like three yards against the Steelers, and it
looked like he got dragged down.
Speaker 8 (23:06):
I was like, oh.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
Damn he if you get him off a spot, he's
kind of useless. Yep. I mean again, it's gonna be
an interesting offseason, Colin. I'll just say this, the GM
did a horrific job the last four years. He had
one good draft pick in Devin h Chan. By the way,
they took a guy named Kenneth Grant thirteenth. Okay, Tyler
Warren went fourteenth. Tyler Ward's killing it with the cold,
so the GM botched it. I think McDaniels gets another
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shot next year. Good luck to Quinn yours. Let's move
on to all the Philadelphia Eagles, Colin. Obviously, nice bounce
back from Jalen Hurts against the Raiders. I guess that's
you know, an NFL team. Hirts has gotten a lot
of criticism throughout the season and was asked how he
responds to pressure from outside the building.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Perception of those who are watching. I'm not watching, I'm living.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
So why I am?
Speaker 10 (23:56):
So? Why I am?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
It's my focus is some of my first rodeo.
Speaker 8 (24:04):
Go ahead, I know you want to make fun of him.
I see a little smirk there, a smirk emerging.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
Cowhart wants to take a shot at the sound bites
from Jalen Hurts. It's like he's reading some like scholarly texts,
some philosophy.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I think he's a good guy.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
He can be a little you know, he can be
a little Russell Wilson, a little cliche, but you know what,
I'd rather have that than start fires and be cocky
and yeah, yeah, I'm fine.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
So quick thoughts on the Eagles. They play Washington this week.
They should get to.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
Win, play Washington twice exactly, so I haven't bet this,
but I'm curious. If they win, Dallas is eliminating. It's
over for the Cowboys. Okay, at that point, you get
two weeks before your first game.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
The Eagles will not going to buy does.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
Philly saying let's start resting some guys sake, one, you
haven't had the legs. You want a week or two
off take it or do you think they need to
get like some rhythm going to head into the playoffs,
because it's an interesting discussion for the.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I have a hard time believing that Philadelphia is going
to get their rhythm when they face the best teams
in the playoffs. I've watched this offense. It's been broken
for sixteen fifteen weeks. So the idea that you're going
to face better defenses, better coordinators, better coaching, better teams,
and then you'll find your rhythm. Philly is what they are,
stack roster led by their defense, can't run the ball,
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using excuses while our offensive lines dinged up. Justin Herbert
is ten and what four and he's missing both tackles
and as the worst offensive line PFF in the league,
I don't want to hear about the injuries to the
O line. How in the hell are the Chargers winning
these games? Head coach toughness, I'm tired of the excuses.
It's a broken offense between head coach and OC. It's suboptimal. Yeah, okay,
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strong and tough.
Speaker 8 (25:48):
To argue that.
Speaker 7 (25:48):
One final story, let's go to your boy, Aaron Rodgers.
You know, maybe he's taking cues from Mike Tomlin with
soundbites Colin.
Speaker 8 (25:56):
This is interesting.
Speaker 7 (25:56):
So Aaron Rodgers was talking about the team and who's contributing,
and he for some reason mentioned a bunch of cast
offs that Pittsburgh has brought in this season. Take a
listen to this.
Speaker 11 (26:08):
That's kind of why after the game, there's some cast
offs if you look at our roster, which it makes
it really special. You know, Kenny Gamwell signed a next
to nothing contract. You know Connor Hayward after thought a
touchdown run. You know Mark Quest been on a couple
of teams, Adam Cleeland got cut, Samuel was on the
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street for a long time. So says a lot about
the character of the guys we brought in.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Consider yourself one of those cast offs too.
Speaker 11 (26:37):
No, I'm not a castle.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
So the reporter for those who couldn't hear, said, are
you a cast off as well?
Speaker 8 (26:43):
And he goes, no, I'm not a cast off.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
But but Colin, after his Darkness retreat, the Packers kicked him.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
To the curb.
Speaker 7 (26:50):
Well, just kicked him to the curb and he wonted Minnesota,
and Minnesota.
Speaker 8 (26:54):
Was like, we're good.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
So what is the definition? Ryan?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
What's the Google definition? Of cast off because I think
and also, let's be fair, I have support. I think
Aaron's been tremendous this year. This offense has been tone
deaf for seven years. They still have no run game,
and Aaron's gonna win the division. I have been one
hundred percent in Aaron's corner all year.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
So here it is.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Here's the definition of cast off no longer wanted, abandoned,
or discarded. So I don't think it's fair to say
because basically Aaron made the Steelers wait for him. Aaron
wasn't waiting for the Steelers, so he does not qualify
as a cast off.
Speaker 8 (27:38):
Okay, So I mean I guess technically you're right.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
Well ye, Yet remember he flew across the country to
meet with the Jets and they're like, twenty two seconds
into the interview, we're good, thanks, man, have a nice
life now getting cast off.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
By no I would say he didn't have a huge
market like Minnesota. Probably should have gone with him. I
would have, but let we've.
Speaker 8 (28:03):
Got this headache.
Speaker 10 (28:04):
Man.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
He's basically, first of all, Kelly Adam feeling a cast off, stealing,
asked to be released so he could go to a
contender like I mean, come on, I feel like he
keeps knocking people like that's just not a nice thing
to say.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I would say Aaron made the Steelers wait for him,
therefore eliminating the term cast off. A cast off is
you're desperate for work and nobody's interested. The Steelers wish
he would have two months earlier definitively embraced them. They
had to sit and wait for him. That's not a
cast off. It's not about your resume. Cast off basically
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means you're discarded, nobody's really interested. You're kind of bottom
of the barrel. Aaron has been the only consistent redeemable
part of the Steelers this year.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Watson banged up defense, giving up big plays, Jalen Ramsey's
hitt and miss I get the same aeron virtually.
Speaker 8 (28:56):
Every week allons.
Speaker 7 (28:58):
Oh, come on, Lions, he got me rooting against Rogers
and the Steelers. Steelers fans are getting ornery. By the way,
what do you think they're getting in or no?
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Well, I think the Ravens schedule. I mean, you know
it's good. What about this?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
The Ravens Steelers will come down to the final game
at Pittsburgh. Probably probably, I would probably take the Ravens
in that spot.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
That's gonna be so anti Steelers. People need Lions this week,
all right, Jared Goff, get it done. I think the
Lions win this, don't they?
Speaker 3 (29:27):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do too.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Raven's got a bit of a break with the Packers
getting beat up, but New England getting beat at home
probably plays one of their games of the year.
Speaker 7 (29:40):
That's an interesting matchup. I don't know what to make
of the Ravens defense. Is it real or is it
not good?
Speaker 8 (29:44):
Couldn't stop Rogers, shut out the Burrow and company.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
It's okay. Jmck with the news.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
A really interesting thought on the Golden State Warriors and
the big picture on Steph Curry. Also, another really really
talented college quarterback says I'm gonna stay in college even
though I would be a first or a second round pick.
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What does that mean for the NFL? NFL going forward?
This nil lucrative paying college quarterbacks. Eight teams need a quarterback.
One top quarterback so far, as said, I'm going pro.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yikes.
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Speaker 1 (30:58):
So Joe Lake has been one of those owners in
professional sports.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
He's about winning.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
He'll spend whatever it takes for years and years, massive
salary tax hit.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Kind of the opposite of the Lakers. He didn't care.
He wanted to win.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
And you know in Silicon Valley, he get up the
prices in the real estate around him and they're building
a new arena and he's a great owner. Really recently,
one of his private I guess emails was made public
by somebody and in the email, Joe lacub, you know,
he had said to somebody a fan, you can't be
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as frustrated as I am.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I'm working on it.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
It's complicated style of play, coaches, desires regarding players, league trends.
Jimmy is not the problem, being Jimmy Butler. So here's
what in fact, by the way, and this is like
part of the problem. Jonathan Kaminga is really talented. Three
straight d NPS coach's decision not playing Why Because the
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Warriors have transitioned from whatever it takes to win to
a circumstances franchise. Steph can't be traded and anybody you
acquire has to be able to play in Steph's offense. Well,
that limits youth in the very young Deep West. The
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Warriors are old and slow, bottom three and fast breakpoints,
you know, thirteen and fourteen's or records exactly what they are.
So and I love Steph. Everybody loves Steph. But when
you remember when Belichick was dominating, it was about do
your job whatever it takes, selfless. Yet ironically Belichick got
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very selfish. I only want to coach certain players. He
was quoted as saying, Okay, now, it's about circumstances. So
you're not looking for the best players in New England.
You're looking for the players that you like. You're just
a circumstantial franchise, of which there's a lot of them.
That's sadly what the Warriors have become. If you're not
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going to trade Steph, and I don't think that's the
only answer, But they run a very very unique offense,
and they won't move Draymond either, though I do think
if press they would. But look how old this team is.
I mean, I'm looking this morning at the ages. Steph's
thirty seven gonna be thirty eight soon, Draymond's thirty five
gonna be thirty six soon, and Butler is thirty six.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
You can't compete in the West with that.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
So but the reality is Butler and Draymon are really
high IQ basketball players, and they can play with Steph.
Kaminga's right now longer, more athletic, he's got more juice
and energy not playing because he doesn't fit into the
ecosystem of Steph Curry, who everybody loves, myself included. But
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I see this all the time whenever you be hime
a franchise where you have this. We can't do this,
we won't do this. Okay, you're out of the running
for titles. You're out of the running. You're not a
championship team. You have a cool resume, you have great
merch you've got memories. But Belichick moved out of whatever
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it takes to win to I'm only coaching certain players
and certain kinds of personalities. All right, then you're just
a guy, You're a jag, You're just a guy. You're
just a coach, just an average coach. So sports evolves,
you better evolve with it. In fact, in the NBA now,
the two words they always use the key to the
NBA is versatility and optionality. The Warriors word is singularity.
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All about Steph.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Here is Steve Kerr on the email that was leaked.
Speaker 12 (34:50):
Well, we're all frustrated, you know, Joe is frustrated, un frustrated, Steph, Andrea,
everybody's frustrated.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
And this is, you know, kind of how the league works.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
You know.
Speaker 12 (35:00):
I hate when people are going to post private emails
like I mean, imagine if everyone's emails were just publicly
posted out. How tough that would be to live our lives.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (35:12):
I saw this story Kevin Stefanski apparently and the Browns
divorce with Kevin Stefanski. The headline says is looming. What
can we learn from this latest disaster?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (35:27):
For years and years there has been a belief. I
think it's totally outdated that the worst NFL job is
better than the best college job. I think that's totally outdated.
Here's the options Kevin Stefanski could have if he's fired
New York Giants, Tennessee, Arizona, potentially, Vegas, potentially in Atlanta, potentially.
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You don't think Ohio state is better than those jobs.
Tennessee a political mess behind the scenes. Arizona players rated
it the worst ownership group the Giants have been in
a decade long funk. The truth is, there are very
very few great job openings. The last three great and
(36:17):
I truly great job openings in the NFL. New England
you got Drake May on a rookie contract and Robert
Crafty owner, and Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Was going to be your coordinator. That's a great job.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Harbaugh getting Justin Herbert in his prime, that's a great job.
And Matt Lafleur taking over for Mike McCarthy and getting
Aaron Rodgers at or near his peak, those are great jobs.
Mostly it's dysfunctional owners increasingly impulsive. They're all billionaires. But
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I mean I understood years ago. You know, the feeling
was just just take an NFL job. But if you
look at the top of the NFL current draft order,
you notice it's the same teams Giants, Raiders, Titans, Browns, Jets, Cardinals, Saints, Bengals.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
You notice that you think these are great jobs.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
You don't think Ohio State or Texas are better gigs
where I can control my personnel, don't have a crazy owner.
I mean, the NCAA is toothless. They don't know what's
going on. I can pay my players. So even if
I have a booster that's out of control, which sometimes
was always a problem at big school, some booster with
one hundred dollars handshakes, that's not illegal anymore.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Here's Kevin Stefanski when asked about his job security this week.
Speaker 13 (37:44):
I don't get into those type of things. Mary Kay,
I would just tell you my focus, our football team's
focus is solely on the Buffalo Bills and obviously watching
the tape today, that's our focus.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
But that's all we really care about. Now.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
You could argue Colin Sean Payton Denver was a great job.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
No, it wasn't. No, it wasn't. Sean Payton made it
a great job.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
He inherited a nightmarish Russell Wilson dead cap situation and
draft capital that had been moved.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Sean Payton made that a great job. That was not
a great job.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Ninety percent of the people that could have taken that
job would have failed. Sean Payton's one of the smartest
coaches in fifty years. Well what about Ben Johnson? The
Bears wasn't a good job. The Bears is still viewed
as ownership, front office, a little dysfunctional. Ben Johnson similarly
made That makes that a great job. That's different than
a great job. I mean the Chargers with Herbert, you
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were gonna win. They had all sorts of defensive talent,
they had their draft picks, they had the star quarterback.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
That's a great job.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Vrabel I get Drake May, Robert Kraft, Josh McDaniels is
coming with me, and oh, by the way, I can
spend three hundred million in free agency. That is a
really good job in a division with the dysfunctional Dolphins,
dysfunctional Jets, and Buffalo average roster. So don't don't confuse
making a job a great job and a great job.
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The minute you walk in the door Green Bay with
Aaron Rodgers, I mean no chaos. I mean at that time,
you know, what were the Bears, what were the Lions? Vikings?
Good never special.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Here's the schedule this rate week. I will tell you
the best bet on the board is probably now Cincinnati
at Miami with Joe Burrow playing and Quinn. You are
starting in what I would call a very intelligent soft
tank by the Miami Dolphins. Anything jump out to you.
Speaker 8 (39:46):
You like underdogs, right? Can you hold your nose and
take the brown the Browns at Hope.
Speaker 7 (39:52):
Against the Bills. I think she Door could have a
chance to do well. I mean, I'm just talking about
getting ten points at home. That's a lot. I call
me crazy, but I like Tennessee. I do think the
Kansas City Chiefs are going to be mailing it in.
I don't think we see a max effort from Kelsey
or Jones mc collin. It's been forever since they've not
been in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Let me give you enough. So potentially Denver off a
wildly important win, has had a string of close games,
and here comes sleepy Jacksonville into town. Jacksonville is a
team that can run the football, creates turnovers. You know,
it's kind of a weird spot, like it's hard to
get your locker room jazzed up for the Jags off
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a packer win. Keep your eye on the Jags upsetting
the Denver Broncos.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Here we go. It is a Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
We are live in Chicago. It's The Herd. Wherever you
may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for
making us part of your day. You know, it's interesting
as there's people out there. One of the things I've
learned over the course of my life, people that complain a.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Lot don't create a lot. So a rule I try.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
To make part of my life is I surround myself
with creators and not complainers. It's just a psychology, a
psychological truth. It's a psychological truth. I mean Harvard's done
study optimists are more successful in life professionally than pessimists.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
So when anybody rips on.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
The NBA taking a stab with the NBA Cup, I'm like,
you don't even watch the league. You're just a complainer,
which means you're not a creator, which means you're a pessimist,
not an optimist. No thanks, I don't want that life.
So last night I'm watching the NBA Cup and I'm like,
the NBA got more wem beyond TV and more New
York Knicks on TV.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I'm for it. Baseball did this.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
They put baseball games in London, the Yankees, Red Sox,
the Mets, Phillies. They put him in a cornfield. They
put him in Bristol Mortar Speedway. Rob Manfred took six
or seven swings. I mean, baseball's on a two to
three year heater. The games feel bigger, faster. I like
the NBA Cup. I think the editor about two weeks ago.
(01:58):
I'm walking through an area and there's six TVs on
and one of the courts is bright purple, and I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah,
these games are different. I think it's smart. And I
watched the players play last night.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
And they're into it.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I mean they were more into this than they were
during COVID playing games in Orlando where everybody missed their family.
I think the players are into it. So all these
regular seasons, the NHL, the MLS baseball, the NBA baseball
strangely has been the most progressive and the most willing
to take big swings. Kind of push that way by
(02:34):
Fox Sports or managements like create events and they work
and they get TV ratings and they get people talking.
But like hockey created the Four Nations tournament. I think
it was a massive hit. It was a shockingly big hit.
So Silicon Valley is the most innovative place, maybe in
the world, certainly in America. Their hit rate is probably
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about fifteen percent. Take a swing. Avoid people who criticize
stuff yet don't consume it. Like rural Guy in the
South ripping California. The weather's perfect and the economy is
the fourth biggest in the world. I think California's doing Okay,
rural Guy, maybe go there more than once a life
for Disney. Okay, So I watched the NBA Cup. I
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don't know how good the Knicks are. They don't have
much of a bench, they don't defend the three. I
always feel like Carl Anthony Towns and Jalen Brunson on
the floor against the better coach teams are a bit
of a defensive liability, and Brunson didn't shoot particularly well.
Og had a great night but I feel like the
four leading odds to win the NBA Championship are all
out West, and so I just don't know if the
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Knicks can match an Okay See, well they can't okay
see or at Denver.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I don't know if they can.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
But it felt like last night, big third quarter run,
thirteen to one run, they were into it. The league
is trying to create, like Baseball, some memorable events.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
The Knicks have a new head coach.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
This may be the biggest championship they went over the
next several years.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
But it's a swing.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
It's something I saw Yannis win this thing, Lebron win it.
Now the Knicks win it, and you can't tell me
the league's not happy with it. I don't know again
how viable the Knicks are in the playoffs, but optimists
are more successful than pessimists. And I think Jalen Brunson
and Adam Silver both liked it here.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
They are a game like this, an environment like this.
You don't really see her on the NBA too often,
and so we got to take advantage of the experience
that we got here. I mean, those guys will I
don't think we're having a parade one to the City
of New York. I think it's good that we that
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we won this. I think it's good that we were
able to the way we won it. I think it's
special as well.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Well.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
With working is we wanted more games of consequence than
the players respond to the fans that responding. Players are
definitely responding to the competition. Look at the teams that
are here, the games that we saw on Saturday night,
you know, and across the board. I think it's becoming
a new tradition in the league.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yeah, I'm never going to criticize one of these sports
leagues for taking swings. You know, Rob Manfred. Baseball's always
been one that, you know, rests on its tradition and lore.
And Rob Manfred's taken a lot of heat and he's like,
we're gonna speed the game up. Bigger bases, regular season,
put a guy on second base, no defensive shift, and
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the traditionalists don't love it. Baseball is so much more
consumable today than it was five years ago, not even close.
You can turn in for forty five minutes and get three,
four innings and the NBA Cup, the weird floors. I
like the swing, I really do. I appreciate it, and
I think the Knicks did too.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
All Right, So I've been.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Saying that you can't love Caleb Williams of the Bears
and not love Bo Nicks of Denver if you look
at their first two years in the NFL, they both
have really, really elite, demanding offensive coaches. So it's not
like one has a great coach and one has a bump.
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I'm putting this on the screen for our television viewer, sorry, radio.
They're the same quarterback through two years now. Caleb's got
the bigger arm and Bo's a little bit more accurate
on the twelve yards.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
In understuff swing passes.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
But the Next Gen came out with a stat this
morning which doubles down and validates what I've been saying
all year. Caleb and Bo they're really the same guy,
one with a bigger arm. They're even about the same height,
hyper athletic, very coachable, strangely great in the fourth quarter,
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a little uneven, demanding head coach. So Next Gen came
out with a stat of the fastest quarterback runs this year.
Here they are in order, Caleb one, bow Knicks two,
Caleb three, Caleb four, Bo Nicks five, Caleb six. I
was mocked yesterday saying Bo Nicks reminds me of a young,
right handed Steve Young. Steve Young was the fastest quarterback
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when he played. So I saw bo Nicks in college
live twice on TV thirty times, and I kept saying,
this guy is like super athletic, and now you're seeing
it Lamar. I don't know what's happened to Lamar, but
he doesn't feel quite as dynamic bow and Caleb, and
look at their teams. I'm telling you you can't love
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one without the other. We're spending so much time because
Chicago's a big market, a very loud media, I kind
of feel like I'm getting the same guy demanding coach durable,
don't take sacks. At least this year, Caleb's not taking
sacks better in big games, better in the fourth quarter,
which is almost never the case with young quarterbacks. They're
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usually good on script, early, bad late in crisis. These
two are really special. I think everybody knows Caleb is special.
People are reluctant with Bo Nick. Love them both. And
here is Caleb on his biggest game, maybe as a pro,
against Green Bay this weekend.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
We've played teams that have a bunch of wins. We
played teams that don't. We've played close games, We've played
games where we've beaten teams by a lot. We've played,
you know, teams, teams where we had to win with
special teams offense, defense, whatever case, running ball, whatever case.
And so I feel that we're, you know, we're ready
for just about anything. Hot weather, cold weather, whatever the
case may be. We're gonna go out there and and
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go out there and fight. I do know that, and
and I like our chances us first anybody.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
And I think both Denver and bow and Chicago and Caleb.
If you look at the rosters, the coaching and what
these teams do well, they're built for the playoffs. This
is these aren't warm weather teams that are finas and
they're throwing the ball over the top. My Super Bowl
bubble as of this morning, and I usually have about
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seven teams in it, my Super Bowl bubble has the Rams, Seattle,
and Denver as the teams that should be favored in
my Super Bowl bubble, and then the Bears, Patriots, Texans,
and the Bills may have a flaw that I don't love.
I have the Chargers Niners in Eagles out of the bubble,
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but close. Based on what I view as an issue
that's not correctable. O line for the Chargers will eventually
be their doom defense. Saula is doing an unbelievable job,
but it's just not good enough to win multiple playoff games.
And I think you have a head coach coordinator issue
in Philadelphia. I don't care how good the roster is.
(09:45):
They've been broken since Week one. This is not like
a recent trend. They haven't had back to back great
offensive games all year. Jmack thoughts on that Super Bowl
bubble that has both Caleb.
Speaker 7 (09:59):
And Nicks and no defending Super Bowl champion Eagles.
Speaker 8 (10:04):
At first blush, you know it's funny.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
I was talking about this with someone of my podcasts
last week, Colin, I don't understand who the clear favorites
are right now.
Speaker 8 (10:12):
The league is so wide open heading into.
Speaker 7 (10:14):
These playoffs that at first blush, I don't totally hate
this Super Bowl bubble.
Speaker 8 (10:19):
I know people are scoffing. I come on, Broncos.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
If the Broncos made the Super Bowl, I wouldn't be shocked.
It's so wide open. The Chiefs have fallen off badly.
No Joe Burrow. We don't even know if Lamar Jackson's
getting in. I think it's why this is the most
wide open I think it's been in probably a decade, right,
maybe longer.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Yeah, what happens is the Keno winning super Bowls. You know,
this is either having a superstar quarterback who takes a
bit of a team friendly deal. This year's Matt Stafford
and the Rams, yeah right right, or having a really
gifted rookie quarterback a ma homes for years on a
rookie deal and you can supplant the roster and load
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it up. Socago's roster, you and I have it on
this all year. Chicago's rosters excellent. I mean, receivers tight,
they're O lines, one of the best O lines in football.
They safety corner. So if you start looking at this,
it's Matt Stafford taking a team friendly deal, Sam Darnold
taking a team friendly deal, and then you have Drake May,
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Caleb Williams, bow Nicks on.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Rookie deals, Stroud as well, c J. Stroud as well.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
The only exception I have in there is Josh Allen,
and I've got them closer to being out because I'm
gonna wait till Ed Oliver gets back on the d line.
There's a lot of talk that'll that'll help their defensive line,
it'll help their their run defense. But if you look
at the teams in the bubble, Sam Darnold, by the way,
very team friendly deal. So this idea that you can
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have Mahomes or Josh Allen, but if you're paying fifty
million that's the cap hit, then the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
O Lione stinks and the Bill defense thinks.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
So I think I think Caleb Drake May and bow
Nicks and in fact, I honestly, because the Patriots spent
at three hundred million in free agency, they don't have
a lot of megastars. But New England also doesn't have
a lot of holes on this team, because I mean,
let's be honest, they plugged him up in free agency.
Speaker 7 (12:19):
Yeah, and Josh Allen and the Bill, Josh Allen's the
only highly paid quarterback in there. I mean, Stafford, you said,
is getting paid. But Josh Allen is superman. He's clearly
the best quarterback in the league right now. I won't
accept any other answers. I think someone else might win
the MVP. But what Josh Allen's doing with the Bills
like other than James Cook. Who's their next best offensive player?
Is it Dion Dawkins?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Let mean yeah, well name their splash players on defense
at Oliver.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
It kind of ends with that, yeah.
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Speaker 1 (13:25):
People say certain things and they're just not true, but
they believe them. They double down on them, they triple
the quadruple down one of those and a lot of
these old defensive coaches they have not stayed current. They
are so burdened, bothered, paralyzed by a quarterback who throws
interceptions this whole. Sam Darnold throws too many picks. As
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long as your production is high, I don't have a
problem with picks.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
I don't have to love them, but.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I'd rather you have picks and throw the ball down
the field. What do these seven quarterbacks have in common Shallen,
Sam Darnold, Dak Mahomes, Trevor Lawrence, Justin Herbert bow Knicks.
They're all in the top eleven of interceptions this year.
The fewest, by the way, is like Jared Goff and
Matt Stafford. But their pocket based quarterbacks that don't create
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anything outside of structure. I prefer playmakers outside of structure.
In fact, Matt Stafford, the year he won the Super
Bowl with the Rams, led the NFL in interceptions, and
in fact, in the Super Bowl he threw two of
them and still won. From nineteen ninety eight to twenty fifteen,
do you know who led the NFL in interceptions?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Peyton Manning, and he missed a year.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I'm telling you, folks, for the last six teams that
have won a Super Bowl, the winning quarterback threw a
pick in the Super Bowl. Bo Knicks is a great
example of this. Bow Knicks has nine picks this year.
Speaker 7 (14:55):
Whoa.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
But when trailing, he has sixteen touchdowns in one pick.
When do you throw them? You know, don't throw him
in the red zone, which takes away guaranteed points. But
if you're at midfield, throw it deep down the sideline.
Then it gets picked at the nine. That's better than
the punter could do. It's a change of possession. Brock Purty.
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One of the things I'll defend brock Purty about. He's
super aggressive. He threw a lot of picks in college.
He throws picks in the NFL. Kyle Shanan loves him
because he takes a swing. So this Sam Donald narrative,
you can't win big with Sam Darnald. Last two years
he leads the NFL and wins. If you go back
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to Sam Donald the Carolina years and you pick it
up late November because he sat for the first time
in his career, take the Jets out. He sat in
Carolina when he started playing late November.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
From that day until now three.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Different teams, he's the winning his quarterback in the league
and has a higher one hundred plus passer rating percentage
than Mahomes. So also quarterbacks who throw more often, throw
more picks. The Eagles are literally trying to get Jalen
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Hurts to throw fewer times because they win more and
when he throws less, that's what I don't want. I
like Trevor Lawrence, Josh Allen Dak, the coaching staff, trust them.
Think about Seattle. Seattle is so much better this year
than last. And that's letting go of a Pro Bowl receiver,
DK Metcalf. What was the only change? Sam Darneld and
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a new coordinator. You guys watched the Vikings offense this year.
Doesn't quite feel as consistent or dynamic, does it.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
What happened? One major change?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Quarterback left, same coach, same coordinators, same wide receiver, same
old line, a lot of the same defensive players. They
lost Darnald. So this whole thing Hayton Manning in a
seventeen year period led the NFL and picks Andrew Luck
a lot of picks for the last six Super Bowl
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winning teams. The quarterback to a pick in the game,
the world has changed. If you can make plays with
your feet and move the chains, you're a playmaker. It's
not just now about safe distribution. Here's Sam Darnold.
Speaker 10 (17:25):
We're excited about this challenge. Obviously it's a divisional game,
you know, playing these guys last time, obviously it wasn't
my best effort. You know. I feel like as an offense,
we just got to continue to do what we've been
we've been practicing, you know, stand the details. But again,
this team's a very good, very good defense.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
It's a very good team.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
It's interesting in a game in which he had four picks,
go back and look at the end of the game,
the Seahawks were moving for the win because Sam makes
so many big plays. I mean, think about Seattle's offense
got rid of dk Metcalf did draft a really good
left guard, but it's basically Darnald and a new coordinator.
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JSN was on it the year before. I'm gonna take
big swings, aggressive quarterbacks who throw occasional picks every day
of the week, over underneath safeguy every day of the week.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
J Mack with a news no, no turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 8 (18:31):
Well, Colin, let's start with a quarterback who throws a
lot of interceptions and he just got binged.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
And that's two.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
The Miami Dolphins announced this morning that Quinn Ewers, the
rookie out of Texas once I mean, highly acclaimed high
school superstar.
Speaker 8 (18:46):
He will start this week against the Cincinnati Bengals. Now listen, I.
Speaker 7 (18:50):
Don't act like I saw this coming or anything, but
I told you before the show last night, I bet
Cincinnati it was like minus two. Because of Mike McDaniel's
comments yesterday, he openly said I gotta watch it tape.
He looked ticked off. I thought we'd get Zach Wilson.
It might be worse we get quinn Ewers against the Bengals.
Speaker 8 (19:06):
This is team has anything to play for.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
This is another I'm telling you the Miami Dolphins, this
should be the guide book on how to get rid
of a coach. Potentially, so they fire the GM who
gave the extension to Tua and it had really frankly,
you don't bring in Tua, spend all your money on
wide receivers. The GM needed to be fired. Now they
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benched the quarterback. If you have to move to it,
you don't want him banged up, you want him healthy.
You bring in the less ready backup, quinn Ewers instead
of Zach Wilson. Zach today would probably be better than
Quin yours, virtually guaranteeing a lost to Cincy, New England
and the Bucks. So you're going to end up being
what six and eleven? Your current eleventh pick probably ends
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up like the seventh pick, eighth pick, giving you more
draft ammunition to move down or get a better player.
This is how you do it. You don't fire a
coach for the record. Whoever they get a quarterback, maybe
yours lights it up.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
I doubt it, but maybe he does.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Whatever you settle on at quarterback, you and I would
both agree you'd want to give him a young, creative,
offensive coach, which McDaniels is.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
So my take on this is the way to do it.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I agree with every I would have fired the GM,
I would have benched to it. I would have played yours.
Speaker 8 (20:29):
I'm with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
Is a great take. This is a soft tank. That's
let's just call it what it is, an intelligent tank,
an intelligent tank. And Washington's doing the same. Jayden Daniels,
he could probably play where you gonna sit him down, Okay,
to New York Jets. My jets, Hey, Justin Fields is
dinged up.
Speaker 8 (20:45):
Then we're gonna go.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
Tyren Taylor, No, No, we're going to this rookie from
Missouri who knows what he's ever heard of.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (20:49):
We're not trying to win games, but we want to
see what we've got, Colin, we got.
Speaker 8 (20:53):
We gotta see what these young guys a.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
That's right.
Speaker 8 (20:55):
I do want to go on to too. Just for
a second.
Speaker 7 (20:59):
I don't think Mike McDaniel and him were like a
failure in Miami.
Speaker 8 (21:03):
Remember he took over for Brian Floores.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
It was a dumpster fire floor as wanted nothing to
do with Tua. McDaniel makes the playoffs twice with Tua,
So like that is kind of impressive in Miami.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Yeah, I said this yesterday.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
There's an argument he overachieved with Tua. Okay, Tua at
one point led the NFL and completion percentage.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Passing yards.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Tua in a and just forget the sport in a
conference with mahomes Lamar Josh Allen Herbert. So you can
argue he overachieved. But what happened with Tua is what
happened to Russell Wilson and what is happening to Kyler Murray.
Small quarterbacks fall off a cliff physically. Remember Russell Wilson
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were like, what the hell happened?
Speaker 8 (21:48):
But he got his thirties, was still in his twenties.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
He has regressed badly in the last year. When you
watch Tua play little guys, do you think Tua could
withstand the justin her this season?
Speaker 8 (22:01):
No way. I mean he looks afraid to run.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
And I heard this first year on Kyler Murray at Arizona.
I talked to a pro ball pass rusher who played
Kyler Murray his rookie year, and he told me I
bumped into him. Actually A bumped into him a place
in LA where athletes hang out, and we were talking
about Kyler Murray. I said, what do you make of him?
He goes, I sacked him, he winced, he goes. I
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guarantee you he does not like his heart is not
into this thing.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
He goes.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I've never heard the sounds he makes when I hit
a quarterback, Like big guys shrug it off. Little guys,
they're like in pain. These little quarterback. By the way,
Jackson Dart, I wish he was a little bigger, spends
all his time in the blue ten. So Tua and
Russell Wilson kind of inexplicably fell off a cliff its size.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
You know, you can look at some of the gambling lines,
like Tua for a rushing touchdown every game.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
Is like plus six thousand. Basically it's never.
Speaker 7 (22:59):
Gonna And then you look and he scrabbled I think
once for like three yards against the Steelers, and it
looked like he got dragged down.
Speaker 8 (23:06):
I was like, oh.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
Damn he if you get him off a spot, he's
kind of useless. Yep. I mean again, it's gonna be
an interesting offseason, Colin. I'll just say this, the GM
did a horrific job the last four years. He had
one good draft pick in Devin h Chan. By the way,
they took a guy named Kenneth Grant thirteenth. Okay, Tyler
Warren went fourteenth. Tyler Ward's killing it with the cold,
so the GM botched it. I think McDaniels gets another
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shot next year. Good luck to Quinn yours. Let's move
on to all the Philadelphia Eagles, Colin. Obviously, nice bounce
back from Jalen Hurts against the Raiders. I guess that's
you know, an NFL team. Hirts has gotten a lot
of criticism throughout the season and was asked how he
responds to pressure from outside the building.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Perception of those who are watching. I'm not watching, I'm living.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
So why I am?
Speaker 10 (23:56):
So? Why I am?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
It's my focus is some of my first rodeo.
Speaker 8 (24:04):
Go ahead, I know you want to make fun of him.
I see a little smirk there, a smirk emerging.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
Cowhart wants to take a shot at the sound bites
from Jalen Hurts. It's like he's reading some like scholarly texts,
some philosophy.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I think he's a good guy.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
He can be a little you know, he can be
a little Russell Wilson, a little cliche, but you know what,
I'd rather have that than start fires and be cocky
and yeah, yeah, I'm fine.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
So quick thoughts on the Eagles. They play Washington this week.
They should get to.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
Win, play Washington twice exactly, so I haven't bet this,
but I'm curious. If they win, Dallas is eliminating. It's
over for the Cowboys. Okay, at that point, you get
two weeks before your first game.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
The Eagles will not going to buy does.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
Philly saying let's start resting some guys sake, one, you
haven't had the legs. You want a week or two
off take it or do you think they need to
get like some rhythm going to head into the playoffs,
because it's an interesting discussion for the.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I have a hard time believing that Philadelphia is going
to get their rhythm when they face the best teams
in the playoffs. I've watched this offense. It's been broken
for sixteen fifteen weeks. So the idea that you're going
to face better defenses, better coordinators, better coaching, better teams,
and then you'll find your rhythm. Philly is what they are,
stack roster led by their defense, can't run the ball,
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using excuses while our offensive lines dinged up. Justin Herbert
is ten and what four and he's missing both tackles
and as the worst offensive line PFF in the league,
I don't want to hear about the injuries to the
O line. How in the hell are the Chargers winning
these games? Head coach toughness, I'm tired of the excuses.
It's a broken offense between head coach and OC. It's suboptimal. Yeah, okay,
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strong and tough.
Speaker 8 (25:48):
To argue that.
Speaker 7 (25:48):
One final story, let's go to your boy, Aaron Rodgers.
You know, maybe he's taking cues from Mike Tomlin with
soundbites Colin.
Speaker 8 (25:56):
This is interesting.
Speaker 7 (25:56):
So Aaron Rodgers was talking about the team and who's contributing,
and he for some reason mentioned a bunch of cast
offs that Pittsburgh has brought in this season. Take a
listen to this.
Speaker 11 (26:08):
That's kind of why after the game, there's some cast
offs if you look at our roster, which it makes
it really special. You know, Kenny Gamwell signed a next
to nothing contract. You know Connor Hayward after thought a
touchdown run. You know Mark Quest been on a couple
of teams, Adam Cleeland got cut, Samuel was on the
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street for a long time. So says a lot about
the character of the guys we brought in.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Consider yourself one of those cast offs too.
Speaker 11 (26:37):
No, I'm not a castle.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
So the reporter for those who couldn't hear, said, are
you a cast off as well?
Speaker 8 (26:43):
And he goes, no, I'm not a cast off.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
But but Colin, after his Darkness retreat, the Packers kicked him.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
To the curb.
Speaker 7 (26:50):
Well, just kicked him to the curb and he wonted Minnesota,
and Minnesota.
Speaker 8 (26:54):
Was like, we're good.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
So what is the definition? Ryan?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
What's the Google definition? Of cast off because I think
and also, let's be fair, I have support. I think
Aaron's been tremendous this year. This offense has been tone
deaf for seven years. They still have no run game,
and Aaron's gonna win the division. I have been one
hundred percent in Aaron's corner all year.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
So here it is.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Here's the definition of cast off no longer wanted, abandoned,
or discarded. So I don't think it's fair to say
because basically Aaron made the Steelers wait for him. Aaron
wasn't waiting for the Steelers, so he does not qualify
as a cast off.
Speaker 8 (27:38):
Okay, So I mean I guess technically you're right.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
Well ye, Yet remember he flew across the country to
meet with the Jets and they're like, twenty two seconds
into the interview, we're good, thanks, man, have a nice
life now getting cast off.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
By no I would say he didn't have a huge
market like Minnesota. Probably should have gone with him. I
would have, but let we've.
Speaker 8 (28:03):
Got this headache.
Speaker 10 (28:04):
Man.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
He's basically, first of all, Kelly Adam feeling a cast off, stealing,
asked to be released so he could go to a
contender like I mean, come on, I feel like he
keeps knocking people like that's just not a nice thing
to say.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I would say Aaron made the Steelers wait for him,
therefore eliminating the term cast off. A cast off is
you're desperate for work and nobody's interested. The Steelers wish
he would have two months earlier definitively embraced them. They
had to sit and wait for him. That's not a
cast off. It's not about your resume. Cast off basically
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means you're discarded, nobody's really interested. You're kind of bottom
of the barrel. Aaron has been the only consistent redeemable
part of the Steelers this year.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Watson banged up defense, giving up big plays, Jalen Ramsey's
hitt and miss I get the same aeron virtually.
Speaker 8 (28:56):
Every week allons.
Speaker 7 (28:58):
Oh, come on, Lions, he got me rooting against Rogers
and the Steelers. Steelers fans are getting ornery. By the way,
what do you think they're getting in or no?
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Well, I think the Ravens schedule. I mean, you know
it's good. What about this?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
The Ravens Steelers will come down to the final game
at Pittsburgh. Probably probably, I would probably take the Ravens
in that spot.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
That's gonna be so anti Steelers. People need Lions this week,
all right, Jared Goff, get it done. I think the
Lions win this, don't they?
Speaker 3 (29:27):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do too.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Raven's got a bit of a break with the Packers
getting beat up, but New England getting beat at home
probably plays one of their games of the year.
Speaker 7 (29:40):
That's an interesting matchup. I don't know what to make
of the Ravens defense. Is it real or is it
not good?
Speaker 8 (29:44):
Couldn't stop Rogers, shut out the Burrow and company.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
It's okay. Jmck with the news.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
A really interesting thought on the Golden State Warriors and
the big picture on Steph Curry. Also, another really really
talented college quarterback says I'm gonna stay in college even
though I would be a first or a second round pick.
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What does that mean for the NFL? NFL going forward?
This nil lucrative paying college quarterbacks. Eight teams need a quarterback.
One top quarterback so far, as said, I'm going pro.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yikes.
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Speaker 1 (30:58):
So Joe Lake has been one of those owners in
professional sports.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
He's about winning.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
He'll spend whatever it takes for years and years, massive
salary tax hit.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Kind of the opposite of the Lakers. He didn't care.
He wanted to win.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
And you know in Silicon Valley, he get up the
prices in the real estate around him and they're building
a new arena and he's a great owner. Really recently,
one of his private I guess emails was made public
by somebody and in the email, Joe lacub, you know,
he had said to somebody a fan, you can't be
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as frustrated as I am.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I'm working on it.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
It's complicated style of play, coaches, desires regarding players, league trends.
Jimmy is not the problem, being Jimmy Butler. So here's
what in fact, by the way, and this is like
part of the problem. Jonathan Kaminga is really talented. Three
straight d NPS coach's decision not playing Why Because the
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Warriors have transitioned from whatever it takes to win to
a circumstances franchise. Steph can't be traded and anybody you
acquire has to be able to play in Steph's offense. Well,
that limits youth in the very young Deep West. The
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Warriors are old and slow, bottom three and fast breakpoints,
you know, thirteen and fourteen's or records exactly what they are.
So and I love Steph. Everybody loves Steph. But when
you remember when Belichick was dominating, it was about do
your job whatever it takes, selfless. Yet ironically Belichick got
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very selfish. I only want to coach certain players. He
was quoted as saying, Okay, now, it's about circumstances. So
you're not looking for the best players in New England.
You're looking for the players that you like. You're just
a circumstantial franchise, of which there's a lot of them.
That's sadly what the Warriors have become. If you're not
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going to trade Steph, and I don't think that's the
only answer, But they run a very very unique offense,
and they won't move Draymond either, though I do think
if press they would. But look how old this team is.
I mean, I'm looking this morning at the ages. Steph's
thirty seven gonna be thirty eight soon, Draymond's thirty five
gonna be thirty six soon, and Butler is thirty six.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
You can't compete in the West with that.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
So but the reality is Butler and Draymon are really
high IQ basketball players, and they can play with Steph.
Kaminga's right now longer, more athletic, he's got more juice
and energy not playing because he doesn't fit into the
ecosystem of Steph Curry, who everybody loves, myself included. But
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I see this all the time whenever you be hime
a franchise where you have this. We can't do this,
we won't do this. Okay, you're out of the running
for titles. You're out of the running. You're not a
championship team. You have a cool resume, you have great
merch you've got memories. But Belichick moved out of whatever
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it takes to win to I'm only coaching certain players
and certain kinds of personalities. All right, then you're just
a guy, You're a jag, You're just a guy. You're
just a coach, just an average coach. So sports evolves,
you better evolve with it. In fact, in the NBA now,
the two words they always use the key to the
NBA is versatility and optionality. The Warriors word is singularity.
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All about Steph.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Here is Steve Kerr on the email that was leaked.
Speaker 12 (34:50):
Well, we're all frustrated, you know, Joe is frustrated, un frustrated, Steph, Andrea,
everybody's frustrated.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
And this is, you know, kind of how the league works.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
You know.
Speaker 12 (35:00):
I hate when people are going to post private emails
like I mean, imagine if everyone's emails were just publicly
posted out. How tough that would be to live our lives.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (35:12):
I saw this story Kevin Stefanski apparently and the Browns
divorce with Kevin Stefanski. The headline says is looming. What
can we learn from this latest disaster?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (35:27):
For years and years there has been a belief. I
think it's totally outdated that the worst NFL job is
better than the best college job. I think that's totally outdated.
Here's the options Kevin Stefanski could have if he's fired
New York Giants, Tennessee, Arizona, potentially, Vegas, potentially in Atlanta, potentially.
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You don't think Ohio state is better than those jobs.
Tennessee a political mess behind the scenes. Arizona players rated
it the worst ownership group the Giants have been in
a decade long funk. The truth is, there are very
very few great job openings. The last three great and
(36:17):
I truly great job openings in the NFL. New England
you got Drake May on a rookie contract and Robert
Crafty owner, and Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Was going to be your coordinator. That's a great job.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Harbaugh getting Justin Herbert in his prime, that's a great job.
And Matt Lafleur taking over for Mike McCarthy and getting
Aaron Rodgers at or near his peak, those are great jobs.
Mostly it's dysfunctional owners increasingly impulsive. They're all billionaires. But
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I mean I understood years ago. You know, the feeling
was just just take an NFL job. But if you
look at the top of the NFL current draft order,
you notice it's the same teams Giants, Raiders, Titans, Browns, Jets, Cardinals, Saints, Bengals.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
You notice that you think these are great jobs.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
You don't think Ohio State or Texas are better gigs
where I can control my personnel, don't have a crazy owner.
I mean, the NCAA is toothless. They don't know what's
going on. I can pay my players. So even if
I have a booster that's out of control, which sometimes
was always a problem at big school, some booster with
one hundred dollars handshakes, that's not illegal anymore.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Here's Kevin Stefanski when asked about his job security this week.
Speaker 13 (37:44):
I don't get into those type of things. Mary Kay,
I would just tell you my focus, our football team's
focus is solely on the Buffalo Bills and obviously watching
the tape today, that's our focus.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
But that's all we really care about. Now.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
You could argue Colin Sean Payton Denver was a great job.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
No, it wasn't. No, it wasn't. Sean Payton made it
a great job.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
He inherited a nightmarish Russell Wilson dead cap situation and
draft capital that had been moved.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Sean Payton made that a great job. That was not
a great job.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Ninety percent of the people that could have taken that
job would have failed. Sean Payton's one of the smartest
coaches in fifty years. Well what about Ben Johnson? The
Bears wasn't a good job. The Bears is still viewed
as ownership, front office, a little dysfunctional. Ben Johnson similarly
made That makes that a great job. That's different than
a great job. I mean the Chargers with Herbert, you
(38:42):
were gonna win. They had all sorts of defensive talent,
they had their draft picks, they had the star quarterback.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
That's a great job.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Vrabel I get Drake May, Robert Kraft, Josh McDaniels is
coming with me, and oh, by the way, I can
spend three hundred million in free agency. That is a
really good job in a division with the dysfunctional Dolphins,
dysfunctional Jets, and Buffalo average roster. So don't don't confuse
making a job a great job and a great job.
(39:11):
The minute you walk in the door Green Bay with
Aaron Rodgers, I mean no chaos. I mean at that time,
you know, what were the Bears, what were the Lions? Vikings?
Good never special.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Here's the schedule this rate week. I will tell you
the best bet on the board is probably now Cincinnati
at Miami with Joe Burrow playing and Quinn. You are
starting in what I would call a very intelligent soft
tank by the Miami Dolphins. Anything jump out to you.
Speaker 8 (39:46):
You like underdogs, right? Can you hold your nose and
take the brown the Browns at Hope.
Speaker 7 (39:52):
Against the Bills. I think she Door could have a
chance to do well. I mean, I'm just talking about
getting ten points at home. That's a lot. I call
me crazy, but I like Tennessee. I do think the
Kansas City Chiefs are going to be mailing it in.
I don't think we see a max effort from Kelsey
or Jones mc collin. It's been forever since they've not
been in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Let me give you enough. So potentially Denver off a
wildly important win, has had a string of close games,
and here comes sleepy Jacksonville into town. Jacksonville is a
team that can run the football, creates turnovers. You know,
it's kind of a weird spot, like it's hard to
get your locker room jazzed up for the Jags off
(40:34):
a packer win. Keep your eye on the Jags upsetting
the Denver Broncos.
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